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PRESENTS," TAKE ME AWAY.
THE SAYING GOES, "YOU'LL KNOW
THE NEWFOUNDLANDERS IN HEAVEN;
THEY'LL BE THE ONES WHO WANT TO

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GO HOME."
AND THE ADAGE COMES TO LIFE ON
FOGO ISLAND, A 90-SQUARE-MILE
PATCHWORK OF TEN MINISCULE

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FISHING VILLAGES WHERE CLAPBOARD
HOUSES THE COLOR OF JELLY BEANS
CLING TO ROCK 400 MILLION YEARS
OLD.

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AMONG ITS QUIRKS, NEWFOUNDLAND
HAS ITS OWN TIME ZONE, HALF AN
HOUR AHEAD OF THE MAINLAND.
BUT WANDER THROUGH FOGO ISLAND'S

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VILLAGES, AND YOU MIGHT AS WELL
SET YOUR WATCH BACK TO THE 18th
CENTURY.
>>> THAT'S THE TEMPLE OF CASTOR

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AND POLLUX?
THE ROMAN EMPIRE CENTERED AROUND
CONQUESTS AND THE OUTSIZED
PERSONALITIES OF ITS EMPERORS.

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RESEARCH AND ARCHAEOLOGY
CONTINUE TO SEARCH FOR RELIABLE
EVIDENCE FROM THAT TIME, AND
TONIGHT WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU TO

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SOME NEW DISCOVERIES ABOUT ONE
OF THE MOST WRITTEN ABOUT ONE OF
THE MOST WRITTEN ABOUT, IF NOT
MISUNDERSTOOD, EMPERORS OF ALL

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TIME -- CALIGULA.
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE
SITTING ON THE STEPS THAT
CALIGULA MAY HAVE WALKED ON.

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IT'S AMAZING.
>>> JUST COME AND SIT AT A
SUNSET BY THE LAKE, IN THE
CENTER OF THIS NATIONAL PARK.

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I MEAN, TIME STOPS, AND YOU GET
100 COLORS OF YELLOW AND 100
COLORS OF ORANGE.
AND THEN THE DUSK SETS IN.

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OH, THERE'S AN ELEPHANT RIGHT
THERE.
>> IS THERE?
>> OH, THERE CERTAINLY IS.

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>> I JUST HAVE TO STOP AND SAY
HELLO TO THE ELEPHANT.

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>>> GOOD EVENING.
I'M JON WERTHEIM.
WELCOME TO "60 MINUTES
PRESENTS."

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ON A DISMAL, RAW AND RAINY DAY,
WHO HASN'T THOUGHT, EVEN BEGGED,
TAKE ME AWAY?
TONIGHT, WE'LL DO JUST THAT.

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WE'LL TRANSPORT YOU TO ANCIENT
ROME, WHERE, THROUGH THE EYES OF
ARCHAEOLOGISTS, ANDERSON COOPER
VISITS THE UNEARTHED PLEASURE

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GARDENS OF THE EMPEROR CALIGULA.
THEN, IT'S OFF TO AFRICA WHERE
SCOTT PELLEY CHECKS INTO A VERY
DIFFERENT PLEASURE GARDEN.

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MOZAMBIQUE'S GORONGOSA NATIONAL
PARK, TRANSFORMED FROM WASTELAND
TO WILDLIFE PARADISE THROUGH THE
EFFORTS OF AN AMERICAN

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ENTREPRENEUR.
BUT WE BEGIN TONIGHT AT THE
OTHER END OF THE WORLD, AN
ISLAND OFF AN ISLAND IN THE

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ATLANTIC.
A REMOTE JEWEL OF LAND OFF THE
COAST OF CANADA, FOGO ISLAND
FLOATS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER

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OF THE NORTHEAST PROVINCE OF
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR, THE
OUTSTRETCHED RIGHT FINGERTIP OF
THIS CONTINENT.

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THE PLACE MIGHT BE DROP-DEAD
GORGEOUS, BUT IT WASN'T IMMUNE
TO THE FATE BEFALLING SO MANY
SMALL AND ISOLATED COMMUNITIES

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IN NORTH AMERICA.
ITS ONE AND ONLY INDUSTRY WENT
INTO STEEP DECLINE, AND SO, IN
TURN, DID ITS POPULATION.

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THEN, IN THE EARLY 2000s, A
LOCAL RETURNED HOME, FRESH OFF
MAKING A FORTUNE IN THE TECH
SECTOR.

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HER POCKETS WERE DEEP.
SO WAS HER DESIRE TO LIFT UP THE
PLACE AND BRING PEOPLE BACK.
SO, SHE UNLEASHED A SORT OF

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ECONOMIC EXPERIMENT.
AS WE FIRST TOLD YOU IN 2021, WE
TOOK TWO PLANES, A LONG DRIVE
AND A FERRY TO REACH FOGO ISLAND

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AND CHECK ON THE RESULTS.
THE SAYING HERE GOES, "YOU'LL
KNOW THE NEWFOUNDLANDERS IN
HEAVEN; THEY'LL BE THE ONES WHO

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WANT TO GO HOME."
AND THE ADAGE COMES TO LIFE ON
FOGO ISLAND, A 90-SQUARE-MILE
PATCHWORK OF TEN MINISCULE

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FISHING HOUSES WHERE CLAPBOARD
HOUSES THE COLOR OF JELLY BEANS
CLING TO ROCK 400 MILLION YEARS
OLD.

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AMONG ITS QUIRKS, NEWFOUNDLAND
HAS ITS OWN TIME ZONE, HALF AN
HOUR AHEAD OF THE MAINLAND.
BUT WANDER THROUGH FOGO ISLANDS

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VILLAGE AND YOU MIGHT AS WELL
SET YOUR WATCH BACK TO THE 18th
CENTURY.
BACK THEN ALL YOU NEEDED TO GET

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BY HERE WAS A PIG, A POTATO
PATCH, AND SOMETHING CALLED A
PUNT, A SMALL WOODEN FISHING
BOAT USED IN PURSUIT OF NORTH

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ATLANTIC COD, THE SPECIES THAT
ONCE KEPT THIS PLACE AFLOAT.
SEEMINGLY EVERY STRUCTURE ON THE
ISLAND WAS BUILT IN SERVICE OF

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CATCHING AND PRESERVING FISH,
WITH ONE GLEAMING EXCEPTION.
A $40 MILLION LUXURY INN.
PART EDGE OF THE EARTH

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DESTINATION, PART ECONOMIC
ENGINE ON STILTS, THE INN IS THE
BRAINCHILD OF EIGHTH GENERATION
FOGO ISLANDER ZITA COBB.

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AND LOCALS GAVE HER A FUNNY LOOK
WHEN SHE FIRST FLOATED THE IDEA.
>> WHAT KIND OF REACTION DID
THAT GET?

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>> WHY WOULD ANYONE COME HERE?
WE LOVE THIS PLACE, BUT IT
WASN'T OBVIOUS WHEN, YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE FANCY PLACES IN THE

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WORLD THAT PEOPLE GO.
OUR ASSUMPTION IS EVERYBODY
WANTS TO GO WHERE IT'S WARM.
>> SOMEONE SUGGESTED TO US IT

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LOOKED LIKE A SHIP.
>> THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE INN
WAS, OBVIOUSLY, A TOPIC OF MUCH
CONVERSATION.

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I THINK ABOUT IT AS A METAPHOR.
IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE FROM HERE AND
PEOPLE FROM AWAY.
IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE AND THE

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PAST.
>> Reporter: THE PAST LOOMS
LARGE ON FOGO ISLAND.
TO FULLY APPRECIATE THE INN,

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EVEN AS A METAPHOR, YOU HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND FOGO'S HISTORY.
>> IT'S JUST SOMETHING.
>> ZITA COBB TOOK US THROUGH

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DOZENS OF TINY ISLANDS THAT DOT
FOGO'S WATERS TO A PLACE CALLED
LITTLE FOGO ISLAND.
AND FOR THOSE KEEPING TRACK,

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THAT'S AN ISLAND, OFF AN ISLAND,
OFF AN ISLAND.
HER ANCESTORS LANDED HERE FROM
IRELAND AND SOUTH ENGLAND.

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THEY CAME FOR ONE REASON.
>> FISH, FISH, AND FISH.
>> WHEN YOU SAY "FISH," IS IT
JUST A GIVEN?

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>> IT'S A GIVEN.
SO WHEN, YES, WHEN WE SAY
"FISH," WE MEAN COD.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXAGGERATE

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THE IMPORTANCE OF COD TO THIS
PLACE?
>> NO, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE,
BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED

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TO KNOW ABOUT SOMEONE FROM HERE,
YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT BY JUST
STUDYING THAT LOWLY FISH.
IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A NOBLE

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FISH.
>> A NOBLE FISH?
>> IT ASKS VERY LITTLE AND GIVES
SO MUCH.

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THEY EXIST ON ALMOST ANYTHING.
I MEAN, I THINK A COD COULD EAT
A RUBBER BOOT IF IT HAD TO.
>> NOT UNLIKE THE NOBLE FISH,

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ZITA COBB'S FAMILY SURVIVED
WITHOUT FUSS.
IN COD THEY TRUSTED.
FAMILIES WORKED SIDE BY SIDE

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HERE, TRADING THEIR FISH FOR
GOODS.
NO BANK ACCOUNTS NO, CASH.
COBB'S PARENTS COULD NEITHER

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READ NOR WRITE.
SHE AND HER SIX BROTHERS GREW UP
IN A HOUSE WITH NO ELECTRICITY.
SHE SAYS IT WAS A HAPPY

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CHILDHOOD, UNTIL IT WASN'T.
>> WHAT HAPPENED?
>> THE WORST OF THE 20th CENTURY
CAME DOWN ON TOP OF US VERY

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QUICKLY IN THE FORM OF
INDUSTRIALIZATION OF THE
FISHERIES.
SO THESE ENORMOUS FACTORY SHIPS

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SHOWED UP HERE ALL ALONG THE
COAST OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND FISHED
DAY AND NIGHT UNTIL JUST ABOUT
EVERY LAST FISH WAS GONE.

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>> WITH ONE SMALL PUNT LAUNCHED
FROM THIS ONE DOCK, COBB'S
FATHER COULDN'T COMPETE WITH
COMMERCIAL VESSELS THAT HAD COME

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TO THE NORTH ATLANTIC FROM ALL
OVER THE WORLD.
>> HOW BAD DID THINGS GET FOR
HIM?

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>> THINGS GOT -- HE WOULD GO OUT
AND COME BACK WITH NOTHING.
BUT ONE DAY IN PARTICULAR HE
CAME BACK WITH ONE FISH.

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AND HE BROUGHT THE FISH INTO THE
HOUSE AND HE SLAPPED IT DOWN
ONTO THE KITCHEN FLOOR AND SAID,
"WELL, IT'S DONE."

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AND IT WAS THE NEXT DAY HE
BURNED HIS BOAT.
>> HE BURNED HIS BOAT?
>> HE BURNED HIS BOAT.

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>> IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SACRIFICE.
>> IT WAS.
HE DID IT AS A STATEMENT.
HE DID IT AS AN EXPRESSION OF

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PAIN AND ANGER.
>> LAMBERT COBB MADE THIS
SACRIFICE ONCE HE REALIZED THAT
THOSE BIG BOATS WERE, IN HIS

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WORDS, TURNING FISH INTO MONEY.
>> HE SAID TO ME, AS A
10-YEAR-OLD, YOU HAVE GOT TO
FIGURE OUT HOW THIS MONEY THING

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WORKS, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T,
IT'S GONNA EAT EVERYTHING WE
LOVE.
>> HE WASN'T WRONG.

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AS FISH STOCKS DWINDLED, SO DID
THE ISLAND'S POPULATION, FROM
5,000 TO 2,500.
THE COBBS LEFT, GRUDGINGLY, FOR

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THE MAINLAND IN THE 1970s.
ZITA COBB'S FATHER DIED SHORTLY
THEREAFTER, BUT SHE HEEDED HIS
ADVICE.

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SHE GOT A BUSINESS DEGREE,
WORKED IN FIBEROPTICS, LANDED IN
SILICON VALLEY, AND BEFORE LONG
WAS THE THIRD HIGHEST PAID

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FEMALE EXECUTIVE IN AMERICA.
IN HER EARLY 40s, SHE CASHED OUT
TENS OF MILLIONS IN STOCK
OPTIONS, DROPPED OUT OF THE

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WINNER-TAKE-ALL ECONOMY, AND
TOOK HER SAVVY HOME, DETERMINED
TO REVITALIZE FOGO ISLAND.
INSTEAD OF WRITING A CHECK, SHE

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POSED A QUESTION.
>> WHAT DO WE HAVE AND WHAT DO
WE KNOW?
AND HOW CAN WE PUT THAT FORWARD

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IN A WAY THAT'S DIGNIFIED FOR
FOGO ISLANDERS, AND CREATES
ECONOMY, AND CONNECTS US TO THE
WORLD?

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>> SPEND ONE NIGHT AT WHAT THE
LOCALS CALL A SHED PARTY AND THE
ANSWER EMERGES.
>> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE

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PEOPLE OF THIS PLACE, IF THERE'S
ONE THING WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT,
IT'S HOSPITALITY.
>> WHAT DOES HOSPITALITY MEAN

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HERE?
>> HOSPITALITY IN ITS PUREST
FORM IS THE LOVE OF A STRANGER.
WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF

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STRANGERS.
AND WHEN THEY ARRIVED, AS MY
MOTHER USED TO SAY, IT'S ALWAYS
BETTER TO SEE A LIGHT COMING

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INTO THE HARBOR THAN A LIGHT
GOING OUT.
>> COBB BUILT THE BIGGEST BEACON
IN THE HARBOR.

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SHE MADE THE FOGO ISLAND INN THE
CENTERPIECE OF A CHARITABLE
TRUST, CALLED SHOREFAST, WITH
PROFITS REINVESTED IN THE

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ISLAND.
AT $2,000 A NIGHT, THE INN DOES
TURN A PROFIT, BUT THERE WERE
OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

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>> WE'RE GOING TO PUT A 29-ROOM
INN ON AN ISLAND THAT'S NEVER
HAD AN INN.
WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF

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THAT?
WELL, MORE PEOPLE WILL COME.
WELL, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE?
AS ONE WOMAN SAID, WELL, YOU

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KNOW, WE'RE ONLY 2,500 PEOPLE.
WE CAN ONLY LOVE SO MANY PEOPLE
AT A TIME.
>> Reporter: SHOREFAST AND THE

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INN EMPLOY MORE THAN 300
ISLANDERS.
BUT THE REAL PAYOFF IS THE
RIPPLE EFFECT.

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FOR STARTERS, ALL THE FURNITURE
AT THE INN IS LOCALLY MADE.
SAME FOR THE PILLOWS AND QUILTS.
IT SO HAPPENS THE WOMEN OF FOGO

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ISLAND HAVE BEEN MAKING THEM FOR
THEIR OWN HOMES FOR 400 YEARS.
>> WE'RE GETTING THERE.
WE GOT HALF DONE.

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>> Reporter: WORD IS OUT NOW,
THIS QUILT IS DESTINED FOR A
CUSTOMER IN BALTIMORE.
WE JOINED THE QUILTING BEE BUT

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DIDN'T LAST LONG.
>> IT WAS ALL VERY NICE EXCEPT
FOR THIS ONE SQUARE.
>> THIS IS OUR LETTUCE ROOM.

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>> SHOREFAST PUTS UP SEED MONEY
FOR NEW BUSINESSES, TOO.
A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS
SO FAR.

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>> AND THEN YOU'RE PUT YOUR
PLANT IN.
>> A $7,500 MICROLOAN WENT TO
DWIGHT BUDDEN AND HIS FATHER,

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HAYWARD, A FORMER FISHER WHO
LEFT FOGO ISLAND WHEN THE
INDUSTRY COLLAPSED.
HE'S BACK NOW, AS A HYDROPONIC

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FARMER, GROWING GREENS FOR THE
INN.
>> YEAH, THERE'S OUR KALE.
>> DOES HAYWARD EAT KALE?

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>> NOT TOO MUCH.
>> NOT TOO MUCH.
>> BEYOND THE KALE, NEW CULTURE
IS TAKING ROOT.

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FUTURISTIC-LOOKING STUDIOS NOW
SPECKLE THE LANDSCAPE, PART OF
SHOREFAST'S AMBITION TO BRING
ARTISTS-IN-RESIDENCE TO FOGO.

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AND BACK AT THE INN, A CHEF
TURNS COD INTO HAUTE CUISINE.
>> IF YOUR DAD SAW COD WITH
MAGNOLIA OIL AND SEAFOAM --

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>> AND PORCINI.
>> AND PORCINI?
>> YES.
>> WHAT WOULD HE SAY?

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>> YES.
FIRST THING, HE'D SAY, CAN YOU
REALLY EAT THAT?
>> YOU CAN DO MORE THAN EAT COD.

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YOU CAN FISH FOR IT AGAIN.
NOW THAT A DECADES-LONG BAN HAS
BEEN EASED, FOGO ISLAND'S
FISHERS ARE BACK HAULING COD.

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WE VENTURED OUT OF FOGO HARBOR
WITH BROTHERS GLEN AND JERRY
BEST, THE FIFTH GENERATION OF
THEIR FAMILY, TO HARVEST THESE

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WATERS.
>> YOU GO EAST, YOUR NEXT STOP
IS IRELAND.
>> IRELAND?

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>> WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THERE
TODAY.
>> THE BEST BROTHERS SHOWED US
THE TRADITIONAL NEWFOUNDLAND WAY

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OF FISHING WITH A HAND-LINE.
150 FEET DOWN, NO RODS, REELS,
OR NETS.
>> NOW WE'RE TALKING.

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>> THAT'S A BEAUTY.
>> UP COMES COD, WITHOUT MUCH OF
A FIGHT.
>> NOW, THAT'S A NICE COD.

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THAT'S PROBABLY A 20-POUND FISH.
>> COD IS MAKING A COMEBACK IN
THE NORTH ATLANTIC.
CANADA STILL IMPOSES CATCH

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LIMITS, BUT WHEN THE BESTS GET
DOWN TO BUSINESS, THEY USE AN
AUTOMATED SYSTEM TO DROP
THOUSANDS OF HOOKS IN THE WATER

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AT A TIME.
WE WATCHED THEM OFFLOAD 20,000
POUNDS OF COD FROM A SINGLE
TRIP.

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WHAT'S MORE, SHELLFISH HAS DONE
THE UNTHINKABLE AND DETHRONED
COD AS KING.
CRAB AND SHRIMP NOW MAKE UP 80%

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OF GLEN BEST'S BUSINESS, AND
HE'S NEVER HAD A BETTER YEAR.
>> YOU TOLD ME YOU CAUGHT
400,000 POUNDS OF SNOW CRAB.

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AT $7.60 A POUND --
>> YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
> 3 MILLION BUCKS.
>> IT ADDS UP.

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>> THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
>> YEAH, IT WAS A GOOD YEAR.
>> BUT A THRIVING FISHERY ISN'T
ALWAYS ENOUGH TO KEEP THE KIDS

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AROUND.
BEST'S THREE CHILDREN HAVE MOVED
AWAY FROM FOGO TO PURSUE OTHER
CAREERS.

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>> YOUR FAMILY'S BEEN DOING THIS
FOR GENERATIONS.
YOU NAMED THIS BOAT AFTER YOUR
DAD.

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>> SO, THE SAD PART ABOUT IT IS
THAT JERRY AND MYSELF, WE
PROBABLY COULD BE THE LAST
GENERATION THAT WILL FISH WITHIN

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OUR FAMILY.
WHEN THE DAY COMES THAT THAT
HAPPENS, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE A
SAD DAY.

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>> Reporter: STILL, FOGO
ISLAND'S POPULATION HAS
STABILIZED.
THERE'S HOPE THE NEXT CENSUS

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WILL SHOW AN UPTICK.
BABIES ARE THE ISLAND'S BIGGEST
CELEBRITIES.
BUT AS EVER, WITH GROWTH COME

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GROWING PAINS.
IT'S ALREADY BECOME ONE OF THOSE
ISLANDS WHERE YOU HAVE TO PRAY
TO GET A SPOT ON THE FERRY.

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JENNIFER SEXTON SPENT SUMMERS ON
FOGO ISLAND VISITING HER
GRANDPARENTS.
SHE RECENTLY MOVED HERE FROM

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WESTERN CANADA TO OPEN THIS
COFFEE JOINT, WHERE LOCALS MIX
WITH THOSE WHO COME AWAY.
>> EVERYBODY ASKS ABOUT THE INN.

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>> WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM?
>> WELL, IT'S A BLESSING AND A
CURSE.
>> HER REGULARS GRUMBLE THAT NOT

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LONG AGO, THEY COULD GET A HOME
FOR $25,000 CANADIAN.
NOW HOMES COST TEN TIMES AS
MUCH.

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>> FOR SOMEBODY FROM AWAY, THAT
WOULDN'T BE A LOT.
BUT FOR SOMEBODY FROM HERE, THAT
IS A LOT OF MONEY.

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>> ZITA COBB, THE WOMAN WHO
TURNED THIS TIDE, SAYS SHE
DOESN'T WANT UNCHECKED GROWTH
EITHER.

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>> AS THE ECONOMY GROWS, WE WILL
BE SMALLER AS A PERCENTAGE OF
THE WHOLE ECONOMY.
>> A RARE BUSINESS LEADER THAT

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WANTS LESS MARKET SHARE.
>> WE WANT LESS MARKET SHARE,
EXACTLY.
>> YOU SAY THAT WITH A SMILE ON

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YOUR FACE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF
RESPONSIBILITY HERE.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, THE
CONSEQUENCES ARE HUGE BECAUSE,

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AS MY BROTHER SAYS, YES, OUR
PARENTS WILL GET OUT OF THE
GRAVEYARD AND WRING OUR NECKS IF
WE MESS THIS UP.

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>> WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THE
CAPITALISTS WHO WOULD SAY, WHY
ARE YOU LIMITING YOUR GROWTH?
>> THAT IS THE TECHNOECONOMIC

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QUESTION.
BUT I START WITH A DIFFERENT
QUESTION.
WHAT ARE WE OPTIMIZING FOR?

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WE ARE OPTIMIZING FOR PLACE.
>> THE PILLARS OF THIS COMMUNITY
HAVE BEEN WON OVER.
IF COBB'S EXPERIMENT HELPS

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DIVERSIFY THE ECONOMY, GLEN BEST
SAYS HE'S ALL IN.
>> IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE OVERRUN
BY TOURISM.

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THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS
HERE.
WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE VENICE
OF NEWFOUNDLAND, YOU KNOW?

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WE'RE NOT OUT OF PATIENCE WITH
PEOPLE YET.
>> Reporter: ON OUR LAST NIGHT
AT THE SHED PARTY, WE GOT THE

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FULL SWEEP OF FOGO ISLAND.
ITS HOSPITALITY AND ITS
CONTRASTS LAID OUT ON THE TABLE,
COD AND CRAB, YOUNG AND OLD,

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WARMTH, WIT, AND THIS.
♪ DON'T TELL FATE WHAT TO DO ♪
>> Reporter: A TRADITIONAL SONG
DELIVERED WITH A HANDSHAKE.

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A KIND OF HOPE THAT COMES
TEMPERED BY HISTORY.
>> THE UNDOING OF THIS
TRADITIONAL WAY OF MAKING A LIFE

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WAS VERY PAINFUL.
I THINK I STILL CARRY THOSE
BROKEN HEARTS.
I THINK THAT KIND OF PAIN

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DOESN'T GO AWAY.
>> TO WHAT EXTENT HAS THAT BEEN
REPAIRED BY THE WORK YOU'VE DONE
SINCE YOU'VE COME BACK?

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>> YEAH, I THINK IT ACTUALLY
DOES HELP.
YOU CAN HEAL A BROKEN HEART.
♪ BE SATISFIED WITH WHAT YOU'VE

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GOT ♪
♪ LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE ♪

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>>> WHEN WORKERS BROKE GROUND ON
AN UNDERGROUND PARKING LOT IN
THE HEART OF ROME 18 YEARS AGO,
THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEIR

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BACKHOES WERE ABOUT TO UNEARTH.
THE SITE TURNED OUT TO BE WHAT
ITALIAN ARCHAEOLOGISTS BELIEVE
WHAT WAS ONCE "THE PLEASURE

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GARDENS" OF THE ROMAN EMPEROR
CALIGULA, WHERE SOME 2,000 YEARS
AGO ALL SORTS OF LAVISH PARTIES,
ROYAL INTRIGUE, AND DEBAUCHED

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BEHAVIOR LIKELY TOOK PLACE.
CALIGULA BECAME THE THIRD
EMPEROR OF ROME IN 37 A.D. AND
REIGNED FOR BARELY FOUR YEARS.

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HE'S BEEN PORTRAYED AS ONE OF
THE MOST DERANGED AND DESPICABLE
ROMAN EMPERORS EVER TO RULE.
BUT AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN

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2021, SCHOLARS HAVE BEEN
RE-EXAMINING CALIGULA'S STORY TO
SEE IF HISTORY HAS IT RIGHT.
COULD WE DISCOVER SOME NEW

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FRAGMENTS OF TRUTH IN CALIGULA'S
GARDENS?
ANDERSON COOPER WENT TO ROME TO
FIND OUT.

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>> THE TEMPLES AND PALACES OF
ANCIENT ROME MAY HAVE CRUMBLED
LONG AGO, BUT THE LEGEND OF ONE
OF ITS ODDEST EMPERORS LIVES ON.

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>> DOWN ON YOUR KNEES, ALL OF
YOU.
BEND YOUR HEADS.
I SHALL SEVER EACH ONE AT THE

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NECK.
>> WHAT MOST PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT
CALIGULA COMES FROM THIS ICONIC
BBC SERIES, "I, CLAUDIUS," WHICH

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WAS BASED ON TWO HISTORICAL
NOVELS BY ROBERT GRAVES.
IN THE SHOW, CALIGULA TURNS HIS
PALACE INTO A BROTHEL, MAKES HIS

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HORSE A HIGH-RANKING SENATOR,
AND DECLARES HIMSELF A LIVING
GOD.
>> FOR NOW, YOU MAY ADDRESS ME

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AS ZEUS.
>> Reporter: IT'S A TORRID TALE
OF INCEST, INFANTICIDE --
>> DON'T GO IN THERE.

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>> AND IMPERIAL MADNESS.
>> HELP ME.
>> Reporter: BUT HOW MUCH OF
THAT PORTRAYAL IS REAL?

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DID CALIGULA IMPREGNATE HIS
SISTER AND THEN EAT HER BABY?
>> CALIGULA DID NOT IMPREGNATE
HIS SISTER AND EAT HER BABY.

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>> DID CALIGULA MAKE A HORSE A
HIGH-RANKING CONSUL?
>> NO, OF COURSE HE DIDN'T.
>> DID HE TURN HIS PALACE INTO A

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BROTHEL?
>> NO.
>> SO WHERE DID ALL THESE IDEAS
COME FROM?

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>> WELL, LARGELY FROM ROBERT
GRAVES.
HIS "I, CLAUDIUS" NOVELS ARE
AWESOME.

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BUT HE WASN'T AN ACADEMIC.
HE WAS A WRITER.
>> ANDREW WALLACE-HADRILL IS AN
ACADEMIC, A PROFESSOR EMERITUS

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AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE,
AND HE'S CLOSELY STUDIED THE FEW
WRITTEN ACCOUNTS THAT SURVIVE
FROM CALIGULA'S TIME.

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>> I GREW UP WATCHING "I,
CLAUDIUS."
I LOVED THE BOOK.
I LOVE THE TV SERIES.

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YOU'RE TELLING ME A LOT OF THAT
JUST WASN'T TRUE.
>> NOW, WHAT I'M NOT DENYING IS
THEY HAD SEX IN THE PALACE.

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OF COURSE THEY HAD SEX.
PRETTY SPECTACULARLY, OF COURSE
THEY HAD SEX.
>> PRETTY SPECTACULARLY?

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BUT WALLACE-HADRILL DOES BELIEVE
CALIGULA COULD BE VERY IMPULSIVE
AND BRUTAL, AND HE DOESN'T RULE
OUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE MAY

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HAVE HAD A SEVERE PHYSICAL OR
MENTAL DISORDER.
>> I THINK THERE'S A SERIOUS
DANGER THAT CALIGULA WAS

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PATHOLOGICAL, THAT HE ACTUALLY
DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE HURT HE
CAUSED.
>> WALLACE-HADRILL SAYS ROBERT

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GRAVES' NOVELS WERE LARGELY
BASED ON STORIES PUBLISHED
AROUND 121 A.D., 80 YEARS AFTER
CALIGULA'S DEATH BY SUETONIUS, A

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WELL-KNOWN BIOGRAPHER AND
ADVISOR TO LATER EMPERORS.
BUT SUETONIUS OFTEN HAD TO RELY
ON SECOND-HAND STORIES AND

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GOSSIP FROM MEMBERS OF THE
IMPERIAL COURT.
>> THESE MEMBERS OF THE COURT,
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE STAFFERS IN

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THE WHITE HOUSE.
IT'S LIKE ALL THOSE LEAKY PEOPLE
IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE.
WHAT ARE THESE STORIES WORTH?

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HOW CAN YOU PIN THEM DOWN?
>> ARCHAEOLOGY CAN HELP PIN DOWN
THE PAST, BUT IN A CITY FULL OF
AMAZING RUINS, NOT MUCH DIRECTLY

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LINKED TO CALIGULA HAD BEEN
DISCOVERED.
THAT IS, UNTIL 2006 WHEN A
PENSION FUND FOR ITALIAN DOCTORS

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CALLED ENPAM STARTED DIGGING AN
UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE FOR
ITS NEW OFFICE BUILDING IN THE
ESQUILINO NEIGHBORHOOD OF ROME.

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IN ANCIENT TIMES, THIS WAS ONE
OF A NUMBER OF TRANQUIL GARDEN
ESTATES LOCATED ABOUT TEN
MINUTES BY CARRIAGE FROM THE

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BUSTLING ROMAN FORUM.
THESE RE-CREATIONS FROM ROME'S
SUPERINTENDENT OF ANTIQUITIES
GIVE SOME SENSE OF THE SPRAWLING

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GROUNDS AND BUILDINGS ENJOYED BY
EMPERORS AND THEIR GUESTS FOR
ABOUT FOUR CENTURIES.
IT TOOK ARCHAEOLOGISTS NINE

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YEARS TO CAREFULLY RECOVER MORE
THAN A MILLION PIECES OF THE
PAST, WHILE AN UNDERGROUND
PARKING GARAGE AND MODERN

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BUILDING WAS BUILT AROUND THEM.
EVERYTHING FOUND WAS TAKEN TO A
LARGE WAREHOUSE, WHERE IT WAS
CLOSELY ANALYZED, LOGGED INTO A

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DATABASE, AND WHEN POSSIBLE,
PAINSTAKINGLY RESTORED.
THE OFFICE BUILDING'S COMPLETED
NOW AND ROME'S NEWEST

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ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE, THE
NYMPHEUM MUSEUM, OPENED IN THE
BASEMENT, PRESERVING SOME OF THE
EXCAVATION AND SUGGESTING WHAT A

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LUSH AND LAVISH PLACE THIS ONCE
WAS.
IT CONTAINS THOUSANDS OF ITEMS
FROM THE SECOND CENTURY B.C.

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THROUGH THE FIFTH CENTURY A.D.,
LIKE THIS DRINKING GLASS THAT
SOMEHOW SURVIVED LARGELY INTACT
FOR 1,900 YEARS.

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MIRELLA SERLORENZI, DIRECTOR OF
EXCAVATIONS FOR THE ITALIAN
MINISTRY OF CULTURE, TOOK US TO
A SMALL STAIRCASE NORMALLY

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CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC AND BROUGHT
US TO THE LEVEL OF THE GROUND
DURING CALIGULA'S TIME.
>> SO, BACK THEN IN THE FIRST

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CENTURY, 2,000 YEARS AGO, THIS
WAS OUTSIDE?
>> Translator: IT WAS CLEARLY A
GARDEN BECAUSE WE FOUND IN THE

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LAYERS TRACES OF THE ROOTS OF
THE PLANTS.
AND IN THIS PART HERE, THE
STAIRCASE CONNECTED THE VARIOUS

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LEVELS OF THE GARDEN.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO WALK ON IT?
>> ABSOLUTELY, YES.
>> EXCELLENT.

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>> THIS IS WHAT SERLORENZI'S
TEAM BELIEVES THE AREA LOOKED
LIKE DURING CALIGULA'S REIGN.
WE ENDED UP TALKING FOR A LONG

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TIME ON THE GARDEN STEPS.
IS IT ALL RIGHT TO SIT DOWN?
>> OKAY.
>> THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT

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TOUCHING THOSE OLD SLABS OF
MARBLE THAT MADE ANCIENT HISTORY
FEEL VERY REAL.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE

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SITTING ON THE STEPS THAT
CALIGULA MAY HAVE WALKED ON.
IT'S AMAZING.
SHE TOLD US THE WATER PIPE BY

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HER FEET WAS INSTALLED BY
CALIGULA'S SUCCESSOR, HIS UNCLE
CLAUDIUS.
HIS NAME IS STAMPED ON THE PIPE.

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ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE
THINGS ABOUT CALIGULA IS THAT HE
LIVED TO BECOME EMPEROR AT ALL.
THE EMPEROR BEFORE HIM, HIS

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ADOPTIVE GRANDFATHER, TIBERIUS,
WAS SUSPECTED OF KILLING
CALIGULA'S FATHER, MOTHER, AND
TWO BROTHERS.

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AND WHEN CALIGULA TURNED 19, HE
WAS SUMMONED TO LIVE WITH
TIBERIUS AT HIS PALACE ON THE
ISLAND OF CAPRI.

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IT SITS HIGH ON A CLIFF, AND
IT'S SAID TIBERIUS WOULD HAVE
PEOPLE WHO CROSSED HIM TOSSED
ONTO ROCKS BELOW.

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THROUGH SOME COMBINATION OF
FLATTERY AND DECEIT, CALIGULA
MANAGED TO SURVIVE HERE FOR SIX
YEARS WITH THE MAN WHO MAY HAVE

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KILLED MUCH OF HIS FAMILY.
HE BECAME TIBERIUS' SUCCESSOR IN
37 A.D.
HE WAS JUST 24 YEARS OLD AND IN

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CHARGE OF AN EMPIRE.
>> HE WAS IN A VERY, VERY
DIFFICULT POSITION.
I LIKE THE SAYING OF TIBERIUS,

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WHO SAYS, BEING EMPEROR IS LIKE
HAVING TO HOLD A WOLF BY THE
EARS.
THERE'S THIS SORT OF SAVAGE

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BEAST THAT CAN TURN ON YOU ANY
MOMENT.
>> WHAT IS SO INSECURE ABOUT IT?
WAS IT THE SYSTEM ITSELF?

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>> YOU'VE GOT THIS ENORMOUS
CONCENTRATION OF POWER AND
RESOURCE, WEALTH CONCENTRATED ON
THE PALACE IN ROME.

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AND EVERYONE WANTS IN ON IT.
THEY ARE PREPARED TO DO ANYTHING
TO SEIZE THIS POWER.
>> BACK THEN, THE ROMAN EMPIRE

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DOMINATED THE MEDITERRANEAN
WORLD, AND ITEMS FOUND IN THE
GARDENS GIVE SOME SENSE OF THE
RICHES THAT FLOWED TOWARDS ROME.

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RARE AND INTRICATELY CARVED
MARBLE FROM THE FAR REACHES OF
THE EMPIRE DECORATED THE WALLS
OF THE BUILDINGS.

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GLASS RECOVERED AT THE SITE
APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN USED IN
VERY EARLY WINDOWS, AND LARGE
AMOUNTS OF OYSTERS APPEAR TO

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HAVE BEEN SERVED AT MEALS.
MIRELLA SERLORENZI SAYS HER TEAM
RECOVERED THE BONES OF WILD
ANIMALS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN

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BROUGHT HERE FROM FAR-AWAY
LANDS.
SHE SHOWED US THE LEG OF AN
OSTRICH, THE FOOT OF A LION, AND

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THE TOOTH OF A BEAR.
>> Translator: IT'S EVIDENT THAT
WILD ANIMALS WERE HERE FOR THE
ENTERTAINMENT OF THE EMPEROR.

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GAMES WERE CARRIED OUT HERE WITH
GLADIATORS, WE CAN IMAGINE, AND
BATTLES WITH FEROCIOUS BEASTS.
>> WHEN HE BECAME EMPEROR,

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CALIGULA STARTED IMPROVING
ROME'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
HE BEGAN WORK ON NEW AQUEDUCTS.
HE ALSO CUT TAXES.

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SERLORENZI SAYS THIS COIN FOUND
IN THE GARDENS WAS MINTED AROUND
39 A.D. TO REMIND ROMANS THAT
CALIGULA GOT RID OF A SALES TAX.

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>> 2,000 YEARS AGO, POLITICIANS
WERE JUST LIKE POLITICIANS
TODAY.
IF THEY CUT TAXES, THEY WANTED

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EVERYBODY TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
>> Translator: THAT'S EXACTLY
RIGHT.
THE COINS ARE A FORM OF IMPERIAL

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PROPAGANDA.
>> BUT SOMETHING CHANGED AS THE
YEARS PROGRESSED.
SUETONIUS SAID CALIGULA WANTED

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TO BE TREATED AS A GOD AND
CONNECTED HIS PALACE IN THE
ROMAN FORUM TO A MAJOR TEMPLE.
>> THAT'S THE TEMPLE OF CASTOR

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AND POLLUX?
>> EXACTLY, EXACTLY, AND THIS
COLUMN HAS BEEN STANDING THERE
FOR MORE THAN 2,000 YEARS.

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>> THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
>> THEY HAVE BEEN CREATED IN
THEY YEAR 6.
>> PAOLO CARAFA, PROFESSOR OF

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ARCHEOLOGY AT SAPIENZA
UNIVERSITY OF ROME, HAS BEEN
STUDYING THE ROMAN FORUM AREA
FOR MORE THAN 35 YEARS.

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>> SO, ACCORDING TO SUETONIUS,
CALIGULA EXTENDED HIS HOUSE UP
TO THAT TEMPLE?
>> EXACTLY.

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>> HAVE YOU FOUND EVIDENCE OF
THAT?
>> BEHIND THE TEMPLE, RECENT
EXCAVATION HAVE IDENTIFIED

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FRAGMENTS OF A LARGE HOUSE, A
LUXURY HOUSE.
>> HE CAN'T SAY FOR SURE IT WAS
CALIGULA'S HOUSE, BUT HE SAYS IT

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COMES FROM THAT TIME PERIOD.
AND ONLY AN EMPEROR LIKE
CALIGULA WOULD HAVE DARED DO
SOMETHING SO SHOCKING.

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>> HE WANTED THE TEMPLE TO BE
THE ENTRANCE TO HIS --
>> EXACTLY.
>> -- OWN HOUSE?

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>> WHICH IS QUITE UNUSUAL.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS "I,
CLAUDIUS" SEEMS TO HAVE GOTTEN
RIGHT, WALLACE-HADRILL TOLD US,

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WAS CALIGULA'S CAPACITY FOR BOTH
PHYSICAL AND MENTAL CRUELTY.
>> THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT
CALIGULA'S BRUTAL BUT SUETONIUS

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SAYS HE'S NOT ONLY BRUTAL.
HE THINKS IT'S AMUSING.
HE TAKES PLEASURE IN IT.
>> PERHAPS THE MOST TELLING

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ACCOUNT COMES FROM A
CONTEMPORARY OF CALIGULA'S, THE
PHILOSOPHER SENECA, WHO
DESCRIBES HOW CALIGULA INVITED A

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FATHER TO A FESTIVE DINNER ON
THE DAY HE HAD EXECUTED THE
MAN'S SON.
>> AND AT THE DINNER, HE INSISTS

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THAT THE FATHER SHOULD HAVE A
JOLLY TIME.
HE PLIES HIM WITH WINE AND FOOD.
HE EVEN PLIES HIM WITH PERFUME

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AND A GARLAND.
>> ON THE VERY DAY HIS SON --
>> ON THE VERY DAY.
AND SENECA SAYS PEOPLE ASKED HOW

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ON EARTH COULD HE ENDURE TO DO
IT?
AND THE ANSWER IS, HE HAD A
SECOND SON.

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AND I THINK THAT ANECDOTE JUST
EVOKES THE ATMOSPHERE OF TERROR
OF THE COURT OF CALIGULA.
>> AS "I, CLAUDIUS" SHOWED, THE

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END CAME IN 41 A.D., WHEN
CALIGULA WAS STABBED TO DEATH BY
MEMBERS OF HIS OWN IMPERIAL
GUARD.

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>> HE'S KILLED BY HIS OWN
GUARDSMEN, BUT THEN THEY HAVEN'T
GOT A CANDIDATE.
>> THEY HAVE NOBODY WAITING TO

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TAKE OVER?
>> THEY HAVE NO ONE IN THE
WINGS, EXCEPT POOR OLD CLAUDIUS.
>> DOES THAT ARGUE THE POINT

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THAT HE HAD TO HAVE BEEN REALLY
AWFUL IF THEY WERE SO MOTIVATED
TO JUST KILL HIM?
>> YEP, YEP, YEP.

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IT'S AN ASSASSINATION BORN OF
ANGER, HUMILIATION, DISGUST.
WE CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE.
>> LONG AFTER THE ASSASSINATION

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ITSELF, SOME HISTORIANS BELIEVE
CALIGULA'S ENEMIES ASSASSINATED
HIS MEMORY AS WELL.
>> THERE'S A NUMBER OF

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CONTEMPORARY SCHOLARS WHO HAVE
ARGUED THAT CALIGULA'S CRITICS
DISTORTED HIS MEMORY, THAT THEY
HAVE FALSELY MADE HIM OUT TO BE

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FAR WORSE THAN HE WAS.
>> OF COURSE, IT'S LIKE ENTERING
A HALL OF MIRRORS, AND YOU KNOW
SOME OF THEM ARE CONCAVE AND

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SOME ARE CONVEX, AND THERE ARE
NO FLAT MIRRORS.
>> BUT ISN'T THAT TERRIFYING
THAT WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW ABOUT

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HISTORY IS SO DEPENDENT ON
RUMORS OR --
>> BUT I THINK IT'S AN ENORMOUS
MISTAKE TO LOOK AT THE PST AS A

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SERIES OF SOLID ROCKS THAT, YOU
KNOW, THAT WAS DEFINITELY THERE
AND THAT WAS DEFINITELY -- IT'S
A GREAT MORASS, A FLOWING SEA.

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I THINK THAT ANCIENT HISTORY IS
VERY GOOD FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE
IT'S GOT SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY IN
IT.

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>> BUT WHY IS IT GOOD THAT
THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION?
>> IT'S GOOD BECAUSE THE WORLD
WE LIVE IN IS FULL OF

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MISINFORMATION, AS WE HAVE
LEARNED SPECTACULARLY IN RECENT
YEARS, YOU KNOW?
PEOPLE INVENT TRUTHS.

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YOU HAVE TO BE SKEPTICAL.
>> AS WE PREPARE TO LEAVE THE
NYMPHEUM MUSEUM, WE COULDN'T
HELP THINKING ABOUT HOW TIME

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TRAMPLES EVEN THE MIGHTIEST OF
EMPIRES, TURNING LAVISH GARDENS
INTO UNDERGROUND PARKING LOTS.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK CALIGULA

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WOULD THINK OF WHAT'S HAPPENED
TO HIS GARDENS?
>> Translator: I THINK HE'D BE
IN TOTAL DISAGREEMENT, AND I

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DON'T THINK HE'D BE VERY HAPPY
THAT WE'RE SITTING ON A
STAIRCASE.

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>>> HOW DID A MOSAIC FROM
CALIGULA'S REIGN TURN UP AS A
COFFEE TABLE IN A NEW YORK CITY
APARTMENT?

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THAT STORY AT
60MINUTESOVERTIME.COM.
>>> MOZAMBIQUE'S GORONGOSA
NATIONAL PARK WAS THE ENVY OF

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AFRICA.
WILDLIFE DREW TOURISTS FROM
AROUND THE WORLD, BUT BEGINNING
IN THE 1960s A MANMADE

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CATASTROPHE SLAUGHTERED THE
ANIMALS UNTIL, IT WAS SAID,
THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT BUT
MOSQUITOS AND LAND MINES.

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IN 2008, WE FOLLOWED AN AMERICAN
ENTREPRENEUR WHO DREAMED OF
RETURNING A WASTELAND TO
GREATNESS.

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AND NOW GREG CARR HAS SOMETHING
TO SHOW THE WORLD.
AS SCOTT PELLEY REPORTED IN
DECEMBER 2022, "60 MINUTES"

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COULDN'T RESIST A RETURN TO
GORONGOSA WHEN CARR SENDS OUT
INVITATIONS LIKE THIS.
>> JUST COME SIT AT A SUNSET BY

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THE LAKE, IN THE CENTER OF THIS
NATIONAL PARK.
I MEAN, TIME STOPS.
AND YOU GET 100 COLORS OF YELLOW

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AND 100 COLORS OF ORANGE, AND
THEN THE DUSK SETS IN.
AND THEN A FLOCK OF BIRDS GO
OVER THE WATER, AND THERE'S A

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HIPPO OVER THERE MAKING A NOISE.
AND THERE'S AN IMPALA OVER
THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL,

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I COULD HAVE BEEN HERE 100,000
YEARS AGO AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN
THE SAME.
>> GREG CARR'S WONDER IS ALMOST

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LIKE DISBELIEF.
A MILLION ACRES OF AFRICA
REBORN.
>> WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE IN

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2004, I COULD DRIVE AROUND WITH
MY MOZAMBICAN FRIENDS ALL DAY
LONG.
AND IF WE WERE LUCKY, MAYBE WE

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WOULD SEE ONE BABOON OR ONE
WARTHOG OR SOMETHING.
NOW WE DRIVE AROUND AND IT'S AN
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COME AROUND THE CORNER, THERE'S
A HERD OF ELEPHANTS.
GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, THERE'S
SOME LION CUBS.

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10,000 WATERBUCK.
AND I SAY TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW
WHAT?
NATURE CAN REBOUND.

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>> THE REBOUND IS IN SOUTHEAST
AFRICA, NEAR THE CENTER OF
MOZAMBIQUE.
HERE, 28 YEARS OF WAR FROM THE

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'60s TO THE '90s KILLED AN
ESTIMATED 1 MILLION PEOPLE AND
WIPED OUT 95% OF THE WILDLIFE IN
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AS THE WAR RAGED IN THE 1980s,
GREG CARR WAS A TECH
ENTREPRENEUR, WHO'D MADE A
FORTUNE PERFECTING VOICE MAIL.

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HE QUIT BUSINESS TO DEVOTE
HIMSELF TO HUMAN RIGHTS.
AND IN 2004, HE MET MOZAMBIQUE'S
PRESIDENT, JOACHIM CHISSANO, WHO

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MADE A WILD PITCH.
>> HE SAID, LOOK, PLEASE COME TO
MOZAMBIQUE AND HELP US.
WE WANT TO RESTORE OUR NATIONAL

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PARK.
>> WHEN WE FLEW OVER THIS, I
SAID, THIS IS IT.
>> WHEN WE MET CARR IN 2008, HIS

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NON-PROFIT FOUNDATION HAD SIGNED
A 20-YEAR CONTRACT WITH
MOZAMBIQUE.
HIS PLAN WAS TO IMPORT ANIMALS

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FROM ALL OVER AFRICA.
>> WELL, STEP ONE, WE HAD TO
REMOVE 20,000 TRAPS AND WIRE
SNARES THAT WERE LEFT IN THIS

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PARK, LEFTOVER FROM THE WAR.
GET RID OF ALL THOSE.
BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE,
I MEAN, WE THINK WE HAD FIVE OR

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SIX LIONS, MAYBE.
>> IN A MILLION ACRES?
>> IN A MILLION ACRES.
AND THE LIONS THAT WE DID HAVE,

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MOST OF THEM HAD THREE LEGS
BECAUSE THEY'D STEPPED ON A TRAP
OR SOMETHING.
SECOND, SOME OF THE SPECIES WERE

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GONE COMPLETELY.
SO WE WENT ON A PROCESS.
FIRST BRING IN THE HERBIVORES.
SO, WE BRING IN 200 BUFFALO.

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WE BRING IN 200 WILDEBEEST.
WE BRING IN SOME ZEBRA.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH
HERBIVORES, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO

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WANT THE CARNIVORES BACK.
WE REINTRODUCED LEOPARDS.
WE REINTRODUCED HYENAS.
THE LIONS, ALL BY THEMSELVES,

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THEIR NUMBERS TOOK OFF.
FROM FIVE OR SIX LIONS WHEN WE
STARTED, WE NOW HAVE PROBABLY
200.

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>> GORONGOSA'S LION CONSERVATION
IS URGENT BECAUSE, SINCE 1950,
AFRICA'S LION POPULATION HAS
FALLEN FROM HALF A MILLION TO

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20,000 DUE TO HABITAT LOSS AND
HUNTING.
WE SAW HOW GORONGOSA IS
PROTECTING ITS LIONS ON A

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MISSION WITH PARK VETERINARIAN
ANTONIO PAOLO.
>> OKAY, I WILL SHOOT NOW.
PAOLO FIRED A TRANQUILIZER

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DART --
>> RIGHT ON TARGET.
>> -- AND A 300-POUND LIONESS
LED US ON A CHASE.

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>> REVERSE.
GIVE SPACE.
TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND.
>> SHE LEFT US BEHIND, BUT SHE

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COULDN'T OUTRUN THE SEDATIVE.
>> THERE SHE IS.
>> YEAH, SHE IS THERE, SLEEPING.
>> SHE'D BE OUT ABOUT AN HOUR AS

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DR. PAOLO CHANGED HER FAULTY GPS
COLLAR.
THE SIGNAL GOES TO HEADQUARTERS
WHERE THEY TRACK THE PRIDES AND

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HERDS.
A BIT OF EAR WAS NICKED FOR
GENETIC TESTS.
AND THEN THERE WAS A SURPRISE.

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>> YOU THINK SHE'S PREGNANT?
>> YEAH.
SHE LOOKS LIKE PREGNANT.
>> AND THERE IS THE FUTURE OF

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THE PARK.
>> YES, THE FUTURE CUBS OF THE
PARK.
>> LATER, SHE AWOKE AND HEADED

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OUT WITH HER FUTURE CUB.
>> I NEVER IMAGINED IT WOULD GO
SO WELL OR SO FAST.
IN 2018, WE DID AN AERIAL

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SURVEY.
SO, COUNTING ONLY THE BIG
ANIMALS, WE COUNTED 100,000
LARGE ANIMALS FROM THE AIR.

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>> THRILLED AS HE IS, IT WASN'T
WILDLIFE THAT DREW THIS
63-YEAR-OLD IDAHO NATIVE TO
AFRICA.

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IN 2008, HE INTRODUCED US TO THE
200,000 PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THE
PARK, SURVIVORS OF THE WARS,
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>> PEOPLE HAD NOTHING.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE CLOTHES.
THEY WERE WEARING RAGS OR MADE
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THEY WERE EATING INSECTS AND
TRYING TO CATCH MICE.
THAT'S WHEN IT STRUCK ME, THIS
NATIONAL PARK'S GOING TO HAVE TO

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HELP THE PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: TODAY, GORONGOSA
NATIONAL PARK EMPLOYS 1,600
WORKERS.

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TOURISM BRINGS IN CASH, WHICH
GOES TO THE PEOPLE AND TO THE
PARK.
AND GREG CARR HAS PARTNERED WITH

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THE GOVERNMENT ON HEALTH CARE
AND EDUCATION.
CARR IS THE BIGGEST DONOR, BUT
U.S. FOREIGN AID KICKS IN ABOUT

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6 MILLION A YEAR.
>> WE NOW WORK IN 89 PRIMARY
SCHOOLS, WHICH IS EVERY SINGLE
SCHOOL THAT SURROUNDS THIS

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NATIONAL PARK.
WE'RE TRAINING 600 SCHOOL
TEACHERS RIGHT NOW.
NOW, THINK ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT

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IT IS TO CREATE A SCHOOL SYSTEM
WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SCHOOL
TEACHERS THAT KNOW HOW TO READ
AND WRITE BECAUSE OF GENERATIONS

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OF WAR.
NOW, SOMETHING WE REALLY FOCUSED
ON AS STEP ONE WAS REALLY
VULNERABLE GIRLS.

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A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IN
THE POOR FAMILIES AROUND HERE, A
GIRL TURNS 13 OR 14 AND THE
FAMILY SAYS, WELL, IT'S TIME FOR

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HER TO GET MARRIED.
IT MAY NOT BE WHAT THEY ACTUALLY
WANT, BUT THEY THINK THERE'S NO
OTHER CHOICE.

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AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, AND
SHE MARRIES A FARMER, AND THAT'S
IT.
SO, WE STARTED SOMETHING CALLED

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THE GIRLS CLUB.
>> THERE ARE 3,000 GIRLS IN 92
AFTERSCHOOL CLUBS.
THE PROGRAM IS LED BY LARISSA

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SOUSA.
>> WHY IS THIS THE JOB OF A
CONSERVATION PARK?
>> WHY NOT?

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IT SHOULD BE THE JOB FOR
EVERYONE, FOR EVERYONE.
EDUCATION IS FOR EVERYONE.
>> THE CLUBS PROVIDE THE

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RESOURCES TO GET THE GIRLS INTO
HIGH SCHOOL, AND IT GIVES
STUDENTS AN ANSWER TO OUR
QUESTION, WHICH FIVE YEARS AGO

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WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SENSE.
WAT DO YOU WANT TO BE?
WE HAVE A TEACHER, A NURSE, A
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ANOTHER NURSE.
>> ANOTHER NURSE, YES.
WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM,
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD

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THIS CHOICE.
>> AND NOW THEY DO.
>> NOW THEY DO.
>> THIS LAND BELONGS TO THESE

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PEOPLE.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
IT'S THEIR ANIMALS.
IT'S THEIR LAND.

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IT'S THEIR TREES.
IT'S THEIR CULTURAL AND
SPIRITUAL HERITAGE.
IT'S AN IDEA THAT CAME FROM MY

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HERO, NELSON MANDELA.
AND THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE A
HUMAN RIGHTS PARK.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, RIGHT?

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A PARK THAT CARES ABOUT THE
PEOPLE, A PARK THAT BELONGS TO
THE PEOPLE.
SO, INSTEAD OF A PARK TURNING

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ITS BACK ON THE PEOPLE, A PARK
OPENING ITSELF TO PEOPLE.
SAYING, THIS IS YOUR PARK, THIS
IS YOUR ANIMALS, THESE ARE YOUR

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OPPORTUNITIES.
[ SINGING IN GLOBAL LANGUAGE ]
WE SAW THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ON
MOUNT GORONGOSA, WHICH WAS

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STRIPPED OF TREES DURING THE
WARS.
HERE CARR'S NON-PROFIT
FOUNDATION IS GIVING AWAY COFFEE

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TREES.
868 FAMILY FARMERS, WORKING FOR
THEMSELVES. ARE EARNING FAR MORE
THAN EVER, SO THEY CAN'T PLANT

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TREES FAST ENOUGH, WHICH
REFOREST THE MOUNTAIN.
CARR'S FOUNDATION BUYS THE BEANS
AT ABOVE THE MARKET RATE AND

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BUILT THE FARMERS A ROASTING
PLANT.
THERE'S NO BETTER EXAMPLE OF
CARR'S MODEL FOR LIFTING PEOPLE

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AND HEALING THE WILD.
IT'S WORKING.
BUT THE LAST 14 YEARS HAVEN'T
BEEN SWEET MUSIC ALONE.

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SINCE WE WERE HERE IN 2008,
THERE HAVE BEEN ENORMOUS
ROADBLOCKS TO THIS PROJECT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

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IF I HAD KNOWN THEN WHAT WAS
GOING TO COME.
>> WHAT CAME WAS ANOTHER CIVIL
WAR IN 2013.

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AND THEN IN 2019, A CYCLONE
LEVELLED 100,000 HOMES.
>> THERE WAS THE SIX YEARS OF
WAR, AND THEN THE CYCLONE.

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WHEN CYCLONE IDAI HIT, BASICALLY
EVERY ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES
BECAME A FIRST RESPONDER.
SO, IN OTHER WORDS -- OH,

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THERE'S AN ELEPHANT RIGHT THERE.
>> IS THERE?
WELL, THERE CERTAINLY IS!
>> I JUST HAVE TO STOP AND SAY

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HELLO TO THE ELEPHANT.
>> WE COULDN'T FIND THE WILDLIFE
IN 2008 --
>> AND NOW, THEY'RE INTERRUPTING

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OUR INTERVIEW.
>> AND NOW, THEY'RE WALKING IN
ON THE INTERVIEW.
>> WAS THERE EVER A TIME THAT

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YOU THOUGHT TO YOURSELF, I DID
MY BEST, BUT THIS JUST ISN'T
GOING TO BE HUMANLY POSSIBLE?
>> NOT FOR A SECOND.

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NOT FOR ONE SECOND.
>> WITH THE CYCLONES, WITH THE
RETURN OF THE CIVIL WAR.
>> I JUST THINK EVERY TIME

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, IT
JUST MAKES YOU MORE DETERMINED,
NOT LESS DETERMINED.
AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE

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SUFFERING IN A WAR THAT NEED
HELP, OR PEOPLE SUFFERING IN A
CYCLONE THAT NEED HELP, YO'RE
MORE COMMITTED.

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YOU DON'T LOSE COMMITMENT AT A
TIME LIKE THAT.
>> WE SAW COMMITMENT IN THE
RANGERS WHO PROTECT THE PARK.

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[ SINGING IN GLOBAL LANGUAGE ]
FOR THE FLORA AND THE FAUNA,
THEY SING, WE WILL DIE FOR OUR
PARK.

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PART OF WHAT THEY PROTECT ARE
ENDANGERED SPECIES, INCLUDING
THIS MAMMAL WITH A BOTTOMLESS
TASTE FOR TERMITES.

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PANGOLINS ARE HUNTED FOR THEIR
SCALES, WHICH ARE PRIZED IN FOLK
MEDICINE.
VETERINARIAN MERCIA ANGELA TOLD

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US THAT PANGOLINS RIDE ON THEIR
MOTHER'S BACKS.
BUT WE FOUND ANY BACK WILL DO.
>> THAT'S FUNNY.

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HE JUST NATURALLY GOES RIGHT UP
TO THE SHOULDER AND HANGS ON
YOUR BACK.
>> YEAH.

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>> POWERFUL TAIL.
>> TAIL, YEAH, THE TAIL IS VERY
POWERFUL.
THEY'RE ALSO USED FOR

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PROTECTION.
>> WHERE ARE YOU GOING?
I'M SURPRISED THEY'RE SO DOCILE.
I MEAN, THIS IS A WILD ANIMAL.

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>> YES, IT'S A WILD ANIMAL.
>> SUCCESS, HEY?
>> BUT FOR US, THE MOST
INTERESTING ANIMAL IN THE

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PARK --
>> GORONGOSA OYEA!
>> IS GREG CARR, AN ENTREPRENEUR
WITH THE EMPATHY TO SEE, THE

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HUMILITY TO LISTEN, AND THE
OPTIMISM TO ACT.
HIS BUSINESS MODEL IS CREATING A
NEW ECOSYSTEM WHERE ANIMALS THAT

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WERE HUNTED ARE SUDDENLY WORTH
MUCH MORE ALIVE.
>> HOW MUCH OF YOUR PERSONAL
FORTUNE HAVE YOU PUT INTO THIS?

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>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT A
SECRET, BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, I
THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD
PROBABLY DO THE MATH AND FIGURE

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IT OUT.
IT'S MORE THAN $100 MILLION.
MY MESSAGE TO ANYBODY WITH MONEY
IS, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING

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TO DO?
STICK IT ALL IN YOUR CASKET?
I MEAN, WHY NOT ENJOY THE JOY OF
PHILANTHROPY?

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I WOULD SAY TO THE BILLIONAIRE
NEXT DOOR, GO OUT AND ENJOY
SPENDING YOUR MONEY TO HELP SOME
PEOPLE.

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>> FIND YOUR GORONGOSA.
>> GO FIND YOUR GORONGOSA.
AND IT WILL BLESS YOU MORE THAN
YOU CAN POSSIBLY EVER BLESS IT.

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>>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH A