UP WITH ELITE RUSSIAN HACKERS. IT MAY BE JUST THE BEGINNING. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED?
>> THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED AT THIS POINT. >>> YOU'RE A PART OF A
MOVEMENT. >> THIS MAN IS A HEAVY WEIGHT IN THE WORLD OF PRIVATE EQUITY, AN INDUSTRY FAMOUS FOR ITS
RUTHLESSNESS. YET HE'S EMERGED AS THE LEADING EVANGELIST FOR THE CONCEPT OF EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP.
HIS IDEA, TAKE THE SAME INCENTIVES THAT HAVE LONG- HELPED THE C SUITE GET RICH AND APPLY THEM TO FOLKS WORKING
FACTORIES, FLAT BEDS, AND FARMS. >> EVEN OUR NEWEST COLLEAGUES ARE GOING TO GET A MEANINGFUL
PAYOUT OF $20,000. >>> I AM ONLY YOUR FAVORITE
WOMAN OF ALL TIME, BARBIE! >> WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR TURNING AN 11 1/2 INCH PLASTIC DOLL INTO THE HIGHEST GROSSING
MOVIE OF THE YEAR? >> CAN YOU CONTROL YOUR HAIR? >> THE WOMAN MARGOT ROBBIE, BARBIE HERSELF, CHOSE TO WRITE
AND DIRECT IT, GRETA GERWIG. >> YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THOSE BIG SWINGS, I MEAN, LITERALLY THE WORST THING THAT
CAN HAPPEN IS IT'S TERRIBLE, NOBODY LIKES IT, AND IT BANKRUPTS THE STUDIO. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES."
>>> IN THE PAST YEAR, HOSPITALS, PHARMACIES, TECH COMPANIES, LAS VEGAS' BIGGEST HOTELS AND CASINOS, HAVE BEEN
PARALYZED BY RANSOMWARE ATTACKS, IN WHICH HACKERS BREAK INTO A CORPORATE NETWORK, ENCRYPT, OR LOCK UP CRITICAL
FILES, AND HOLD THEM HOSTAGE UNTIL A RANSOM IS PAID. AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN APRIL, IT'S A CRIME THAT'S GROWING
MORE COSTLY AND DISRUPTIVE EVERY YEAR. NOW CYBER SECURITY RESEARCHERS FEAR IT'S ABOUT TO GET WORSE
WITH THE EMERGENCE OF AN AUDACIOUS GROUP OF YOUNG CRIMINAL HACKERS FROM THE U.S., UK, AND CANADA, THE FBI CALLS,
SCATTERED SPIDER. MORE TROUBLING, THEY HAVE TEAMED UP WITH RUSSIA'S MOST NOTORIOUS RANSOMWARE GANG.
THIS PAST SEPTEMBER, ONE OF THE MOST PERNICIOUS RANSOMWARE ATTACKS IN HISTORY WAS UNLEASHED ON MGM RESORTS,
COSTING THE HOTEL AND CASINO GIANT MORE THAN $100 MILLION. IT DISRUPTED OPERATIONS AT A DOZEN OF THE MOST RENOWNED
GAMING PALACES ON THE LAS VEGAS STRIP, MGM GRAND, ARIA, MANDALAY BAY, NEW YORK, NEW YORK, THE BELLAGIO.
ANTHONY CURTIS IS A LAS VEGAS FIXTURE. HE'S SO GOOD AT COUNTING CARDS, HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM CARD
GAMES HERE. HE NOW PUBLISHING "THE LAS VEGAS ADVISER," A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER ON ALL THINGS VEGAS.
>> INCREDIBLY, WHEN IT HAPPENED, I WAS IN AN MGM PROPERTY. AND IT HAPPENED WHILE WE WERE
HAVING DINNER. THERE JUST BEGAN TO BE A RUMBLING THAT SOMETHING WAS GOING ON.
WHEN I WENT DOWN INTO THE CASINO, I COULD SEE THAT SLOT MACHINES
WERE SITTING DARK, PEOPLE WERE SCRAMBLING AROUND. THE SHUTDOWN WAS STARTING TO TAKE EFFECT.
>> ACROSS THE VEGAS STRIP, THOUSANDS OF SLOT MACHINES SUDDENLY STOPPED PAYING OUT. >> ALL OF A SUDDEN, PEOPLE ARE
GOING, HOW DO I GET MY MONEY? WHAT'S WRONG? PEOPLE WERE SITTING THERE WAITING AND COULDN'T GET PAID.
>> WERE THEY ANGRY? >> THEY WERE GETTING ANGRY, YEAH. AND THIS WAS JUST THE TIP OF
THE ICEBERG. >> PARKING GATES FROZE, DIGITAL DOOR KEYS WOULDN'T WORK. AS COMPUTERS WENT DOWN,
RESERVATIONS LOCKED UP AND LINES BACKED UP AT THE FRONT DESKS. >> ANYTHING THAT REQUIRED
TECHNOLOGY WAS NOT WORKING. >> SOUNDS LIKE CHAOS. >> NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO. INCLUDING EMPLOYEES.
THE EMPLOYEES JUST HAD TO, YOU KNOW, BEG FORGIVENESS AND PATIENCE. >> LOOK, IT'S CORPORATE
TERRORISM AT ITS FINEST. >> THE COMPANY DECLINED OUR INTERVIEW REQUEST. BUT AT A CONFERENCE A MONTH
AFTER THE HACK, MGM'S CEO ADMITTED THE DISRUPTIONS WERE DEVASTATING. >> FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE
DAYS, WITH 36,000 HOTEL ROOMS AND REGIONAL PROPERTIES, WE WERE COMPLETELY IN THE DARK. >> THE HACKERS DEMANDED $30
MILLION TO UNLOCK MGM'S DATA. THE COMPANY REFUSED, BUT THEY STILL PAID A PRICE, $100 MILLION IN LOST REVENUE AND
MILLIONS MORE TO REBUILD THEIR SERVERS. >> SO, HOW DID THE INTRUDERS GET IN?
THROUGH A TECHNIQUE OF DECEPTION AND MANIPULATION CALLED SOCIAL ENGINEERING. FIRST, HACKERS ZEROED IN ON AN
EMPLOYEE, GATHERING INFORMATION FROM THE DARK WEB AND OPEN SOURCES, LIKE LINKEDIN. NEXT, A SMOOTH-TALKING HACKER
IMPERSONATING THE EMPLOYEE CALLED THE MGM TECH HELP DESK AND CONVINCED THEM TO RESET HIS PASSWORD.
>> WITH THAT, THE HACKER WAS INSIDE MGM'S COMPUTERS AND UNLEASHED THE DESTRUCTIVE MALWARE.
ANTHONY CURTIS SAYS IT WAS THE CYBER CRIMINAL'S VERSION OF AN "OCEAN'S 11" HEIST. >> THEY WANT TO GET THE MONEY.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO GLOWING LIKE I LIKE THESE GUYS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST CROOKS,
RIGHT? BUT THESE HACKERS WERE ABLE TO TURN THE TABLES. THE CASINOS HAVE THEIR -- THEY
HAVE THEIR SYSTEMS. THEY HAVE THEIR PROTECTIONS. THEY HAVE THEIR EXPERTS. THEY HAVE THEIR SECURITY.
THESE GUYS ARE BETTER. >> LATER, MGM'S BIGGEST COMPETITOR, CAESARS ADMITTED IT ALSO SUFFERED A SOCIAL
ENGINEERING ATTACK AROUND THE SAME TIME, SUSPECTED BY THE SAME GROUP. BUT CAESARS PAID A RANSOM,
REPORTEDLY $15 MILLION, AND SUFFERED NO DISRUPTIONS. >> FROM AN FBI PERSPECTIVE, OUR POSITION IS WE RECOMMEND A
RANSOM NOT BE PAID, BUT WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION DURING A TIME OF CRISIS.
>> BRYAN VORNDRAN IS HEAD OF THE FBI'S CYBER DIVISION. HE TOLD US RANSOMWARE ATTACKS HAVE
GROWN INCREASINGLY BRAZEN. >> ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, IT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE GLOBAL ECONOMY AND FOR THE U.S.
ECONOMY AND FOR THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES. THERE'S ESTIMATES THAT GLOBAL LOSSES EXCEED 1 BILLION U.S.
DOLLARS PER YEAR. >> HAVE YOU MADE ANY ARRESTS IN THE LAS VEGAS CASES? >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK
ABOUT SPECIFIC CASES OR SPECIFIC COMPANIES. >> BUT HE DID POINT US TOWARD THE PRIME SUSPECT.
>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ACTORS BEHIND SOME OF THE MORE RECENT RANSOMWARE ATTACKS, THE NAME THAT'S GENERALLY RAISED IS
SCATTERED SPIDER. THAT'S A CRIMINAL GROUP THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF ATTENTION ON BECAUSE OF THE HAVOC THEY'RE
WREAKING ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. >> SCATTERED SPIDER IS WHAT THE FBI CALLS A LOOSE KNIT WEB OF
NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING HACKERS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CASINO HACKS AND DOZEN MORE. THEIR SPECIALTY IS SOCIAL ENGINEERING.
>> PART OF THEIR SUCCESS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE FLUENT IN WESTERN CULTURE, THEY KNOW HOW OUR SOCIETY WORKS, THEY KNOW
WHAT TO SAY TO GET SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING. >> ALLISON NIXON IS CHIEF RESEARCH OFFICER AT UNIT 221B,
A CYBER SECURITY FIRM THAT FOCUSES ON ENGLISH-SPEAKING CYBER CRIMINALS. SHE SAYS SCATTERED SPIDER IS
JUST ONE OF MANY ELICIT HACKING GROUPS, ALL PART OF A SPRAWLING COLLECTION OF ONLINE CRIMINALS CALLING THEMSELVES THE
COMMUNITY, OR THE COM. >> THE COM IS A SUBCULTURE. IT IS SPECIFICALLY AN ENGLISH SPEAKING YOUTH SUBCULTURE THAT
HAS ARISEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. IT'S VERY NEW, BUT IT'S SURPRISINGLY DISRUPTIVE.
>> MEMBERS OF THE COM HAVE HACKED INTO COMPANIES LIKE MICROSOFT, NVIDIA, AND ELECTRONIC ARTS.
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED? >> YEARS AGO, IT WAS MAYBE A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE.
BUT SINCE 2018, THE POPULATION HAS EXPLODED BECAUSE OF THE MONEY COMING IN TO THESE GROUPS.
AND THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED AT THIS POINT. >> HOW ARE THEY CONNECTED? >> THEY CONNECT OVER THE
INTERNET, SOCIAL SPACES WHERE PEOPLE HANG OUT, GAMING SERVERS. IT'S ALMOST ANALOGOUS TO, LIKE,
MAYBE THE BACK ALLEY WHERE THE BAD KIDS HANG OUT, BUT ON THE INTERNET. >> HOW OLD ARE WE TALKING
ABOUT? >> MALES UNDER THE AGE OF 25. >> UNDER 25 DOWN TO -- HOW YOUNG?
>> LIKE, 13, 14. >> INVOLVED THE IN PULLING OFF MAJOR CRIMES? >> YEAH.
>> MEMBERS COMMUNICATE AND POST PICTURES ON MESSAGING APPS LIKE TELEGRAM. THEIR CHATTER, A TOXIC STEW OF
RACISM, SEXISM, BOASTING ABOUT THE MONEY THEY'VE SCAMMED AND HOW MENACING THEY ARE. >> THERE ARE THESE TOXIC ONLINE
SPACES, WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN SOCIALIZE AND MINGLE WITH CRIMINALS AND GANG MEMBERS. AND THE END RESULT OF ALL OF
THIS IS THIS ONLINE SUBCULTURE HAS FORMED THAT GLORIFIES CRIME, THAT MEASURES ONE'S PERSONAL WORTH BY HOW MUCH HARM
THEY CAN CAUSE THE WORLD. >> SCATTERED SPIDER IS ONE OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED OFFSHOOTS OF THE COM.
THEIR CRIMINAL EXPLOITS CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF CYBER SECURITY COMPANIES AND OTHER HACKERS, INCLUDING THE MOST NOTORIOUS
RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE GANG, BLACKCAT. THEY SAW THE YOUNG NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING WESTERNERS AS
A FORCE MULTIPLIER. BOTH CLAIMED CREDIT FOR THE MGM ATTACK. >> HISTORICALLY SPEAKING,
RUSSIAN CYBER CRIMINALS DO NOT LIKE WORKING WITH WESTERN CYBER CRIMINALS. THERE WAS NOT ONLY A LANGUAGE
BARRIER, BUT ALSO THEY KIND OF LOOKED DOWN ON THEM AND VIEWED THEM AS UNPROFESSIONAL. >> THE RUSSIAN AND WESTERN
HACKERS MET IN THE SHADOWY CORNERS OF THE DARK WEB AND NOW ARE POWERFUL PARTNERS IN CRIME. SCATTERED SPIDER USES ITS
ENGLISH AND SOCIAL ENGINEERING SKILLS TO BREAK IN TO WESTERN COMPANIES' NETWORKS. BLACKCAT PROVIDES ITS
EXPERIENCE AND ITS MALWARE, USED IN SOME OF THE MOST SHOCKING RANSOMWARE ATTACKS. INCLUDING THE 2021 ATTACK ON
COLONIAL PIPELINE, WHICH CAUSED GAS SHORTAGES UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST. AND THIS YEAR'S ATTACK ON
UNITEDHEALTH GROUP, WHICH DISRUPTED PHARMACIES NATIONWIDE. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS
OFFERING A $15 MILLION REWARD FOR INFORMATION ON RUSSIA'S BLACKCAT. >> THIS IS BLACKCAT'S DATA LEAK
SITE. >> JON DIMAGGIO, A FORMER ANALYST AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY NOW
INVESTIGATES RANSOMWARE AS CHIEF SECURITY STRATEGIST FOR THE CYBER SECURITY COMPANY. ANALYST ONE.
>> THERE'S A TERM CALLED
RANSOMWARE AS A SERVICE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE STRUCTURE AND FORMAT OF THESE GANGS. >> DIMAGGIO SAYS RANSOMWARE AS
A SERVICE HAS TAKEN THE CRIME TO A NEW LEVEL. THE LONG ESTABLISHED RUSSIAN GANGS, LIKE BLACKCAT, OFFER
THEIR SERVICES, MALWARE, EXPERIENCE NEGOTIATING RANSOMS AND LAUNDERING MONEY, TO WHAT THEY CALL AFFILIATES, LIKE
SCATTERED SPIDER. >> IN RETURN, WHEN A VICTIM PAYS AN EXTORTION, THE PROFIT THAT COMES FROM IT IS NOW
SHARED AMONGST THOSE CRIMINALS. >> THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RUSSIAN GANGS ARE RUN LIKE LEGITIMATE COMPANIES, WITH EASY TO
NAVIGATE ONLINE PLATFORMS, 24 HOUR SERVICE
DESKS, EVEN HUMAN RESOURCES TO HIRE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS. >> THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT SPECIALIZE IN DEVELOPING
MALWARE AND RANSOMWARE, AND THEY'RE IN VERY HIGH DEMAND. >> YOU SAID YOU'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.
>> YES. >> ARE THEY MOSTLY YOUNG MEN? >> THE LEADERSHIP ARE PEOPLE IN THEIR 40s, LATE 30s.
THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A FINANCIAL BACKGROUND. >> DIMAGGIO SAYS THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT PROVIDES A SAFE HAVEN FOR RANSOMWARE GANGS. >> AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TARGET, YOU KNOW, AN
ORGANIZATION THAT FALLS WITHIN RUSSIA OR THE FORMER SOVIET STATE, THEY DON'T GET PROSECUTED.
IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CRIME. >> IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CRIME TO ATTACK AMERICAN BUSINESSES? >> IT'S CRAZY, RIGHT?
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, THOUGH. >> SO, IT'S LIKE THEY OPERATE WITH IMPUNITY. >> 100%.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY THIS IS SUCH A POPULAR CRIME. >> RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE HAS BECOME SUCH A THREAT, THE ELITE
CYBER WARRIORS AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY HAVE JOINED THE FIGHT. BEFORE RETIRING LAST MARCH, ROB
JOYCE WAS NSA'S DIRECTOR OF CYBER SECURITY. HE TOLD US THE COLONIAL PIPELINE ATTACK WAS A WAKEUP
CALL. >> IT CAUSED US TO STEP BACK AND DECIDE THAT WE HAD TO PUT MORE RESOURCES INTO THIS
FOREIGN THREAT. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS NSA HAS, WE HAVE HACKERS. AND IT REALLY, AT TIMES, TAKES
A HACKER TO DEFEAT A HACKER. THAT'S THE VALUE NSA CAN BRING IS WE CAN IDENTIFY PEOPLE, SPECIFIC PEOPLE, INVOLVED IN
SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES.
>> THE NSA HELPED IDENTIFY THE RUSSIAN HACKER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COLONIAL PIPELINE ATTACK. AND IN JANUARY 2022, AFTER
MONTHS OF NEGOTIATIONS, RUSSIA ARRESTED HIM AND OTHER ACCOMPLICES. BUT FIVE WEEKS LATER, IT ALL
CAME UNDONE. >> FOLLOWING THE UKRAINE INVASION, THOSE PEOPLE WERE LET OUT OF JAIL.
>> SO, THEY'RE BACK IN BUSINESS. >> YES, SIR. >> AND NOW THEY'VE TEAMED UP
WITH THE YOUNG NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS OF SCATTERED SPIDER. THE FBI'S BRYAN VORNDRAN CALLS IT AN EVOLUTION OF CYBER CRIME.
>> SO, IN THE CASE OF SCATTERED SPIDER, IS IT POWERFUL THAT THEY ARE WITH BLACKCAT? OF COURSE.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE ARE AGAINST THE VERY CAPABLE SET OF ADVERSARIES.
THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT THEIR WORK. WE'RE ALSO VERY GOOD AT OUR WORK.
>> IN JANUARY, THE BUREAU ARRESTED A 19-YEAR-OLD FROM FLORIDA, NOAH URBAN, CHARGED WITH STEALING CRYPTOCURRENCY.
HE'S PLEADED NOT GUILTY. CYBER INVESTIGATORS HAVE TIED HIM TO SCATTERED SPIDER, BUT SO FAR NOT TO THE CASINO HEISTS.
LAST MONTH TWO MORE ARRESTS BOTH TIED TO SCATTERED SPIDER. ONE ALLEGEDLY INVOLVED IN THE CASINO HACK.
OTHERS ARE STILL OUT THERE HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT.
ALLISON NIXON CALLS LAS VEGAS A HARBINGER. >> THE LEVEL OF CYBER CRIME HAS RISEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT
FEELS OVERWHELMING, AND EVERY YEAR IT GETS WORSE. AND IT FEELS LIKE, AS DEFENDERS, WE'RE -- IT'S ALMOST
LIKE WE'RE WINNING EVERY BATTLE AND LOSING THE WAR.
>>> 50 YEARS AGO, CEOS EARNED AROUND 20 TIMES THE WORKER SALARY. TODAY'S CEO CAN MAKE IN A DAY
WHAT THE AVERAGE LABORER MAKES IN A YEAR. NO WONDER THERE'S NOT SO MUCH A WEALTH GAP AS A WEALTH CANYON,
RENDERING THE AMERICAN DREAM, FOR SO MANY, A MIRAGE. INTO THIS CRISIS DRIVES PETE STAVROS, HEAVY WEIGHT IN THE
WORLD OF PRIVATE EQUITY. IT'S AN INDUSTRY FAMOUS FOR ITS RUTHLESSNESS. HE'S EMERGED AS THE LEADING
EVANGELIST FOR THE CONCEPT OF EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP. HIS IDEA, TAKE THE SAME INCENTIVES THAT HAVE LONG
HELPED THE C SUITE GET RICH AND APPLY THEM TO THE FOLKS WORKING FACTORIES, FLAT BEDS, AND FARMS.
>> NORMAN ROCKWELL NEVER DID PAINT ARTHUR, ILLINOIS, BUT WHAT A CANVAS OF AMERICANA. BEATING SLOW IN THE HEART OF
THE HEARTLAND, THIS TOWN OF 2,200 SITS IN A POCKET OF AMISH COUNTRY, A PLACE WHERE PAST AND PRESENT COHABITATE.
NOT LONG AGO, ARTHUR WAS THE UNLIKELY SITE OF A DARING EXPERIMENT IN AMERICAN CAPITALISM.
C.H.I. OVERHEAD DOORS, WHICH MANUFACTURES GARAGE DOORS, WAS FOUNDED BY A LOCAL AMISH
CARPENTER. THEN IN 2015, KKR, ONE OF THE WORLD'S BIGGEST PRIVATE EQUITY FIRMS, CAME TO THIS SMALL TOWN
AND PURCHASED C.H.I. FOR $700 MILLION. THAT'S WHEN BRAD EDWARDS, A 19- YEAR VETERAN OF THE FACTORY
FLOOR, AND HIS WIFE STARTED GOOGLING THE NEW CORPORATE OVERLORDS. >> IT SEEMED LIKE THEY OWNED
THE WORLD. AND THEN THE RUMORS START GOING AROUND. THIS IS BIG NEW YORK PRIVATE
EQUITY, THEY'RE GOING TO SKIN THIS DOWN TO THE BARE BONES UNTIL THEY CAN SQUEEZE A FEW BUCKS OFF OF US AND THERE'S
GOING TO BE NOTHING LEFT. >> TODAY ROUGHLY 12 MILLION AMERICANS ARE EMPLOYED BY COMPANIES OWNED BY PRIVATE
EQUITY, FIRMS
LIKE KKR, THAT BUYS BUSINESSES, ULTIMATELY RESELLING FOR A PROFIT, A PRACTICE THAT OFTEN INVOLVES CUTS AND LAYOFFS.
OVER A 10-YEAR SPAN, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT AT LEAST A HALF MILLION JOBS HAVE BEEN LOST TO PRIVATE EQUITY CUTBACKS.
THAT WOULD HAVE DEVASTATED BRAD AND CRYSTAL EDWARDS. BURIED UNDER CREDIT CARD DEBT AND WITH NO SAVINGS, THEY HAD
TAKEN SECOND JOBS TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES AND THEIR THREE DAUGHTERS. >> SHE WORKED MIDNIGHTS AT
CASEY'S, THE GAS STATION THAT
USED TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS. >> YOU TOOK A LATE SHIFT AT THE GAS STATION. >> SOON AFTER KKR BOUGHT
C.H.I., EMPLOYEES GATHERED TO MEET THE NEW BOSS, PETE STAVROS, WHO CAME BEARING AN UNEXPECTED MESSAGE.
NO SLASHING, NO BURNING, C.H.I. WOULD BE GROWING AND THE ENTIRE WORKFORCE WOULD NOW BE PART OWNERS IN THE COMPANY.
>> WHAT'S YOUR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT? >> IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE,
RIGHT? YOU WOULD HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, NO, THIS IS JUST A --
THEY'RE JUST DANGLING THE CARRY CARROT.
>> WHAT'S THE CATCH? >> YEAH. YEAH. WHAT'S THE CATCH.
EXACTLY. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE TALK IN AND SAY, I'VE HEARD PROMISES BEFORE.
>> STAVROS HAD GIVEN THE EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP PITCH BEFORE AND WAS ACCUSTOMED TO A SKEPTICAL AUDIENCE.
>> DAY ONE WE SIT DOWN WITH THE WORKFORCE. WE EXPLAIN AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THIS IS OUR BUSINESS
PLAN, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED, THESE ARE THE KEY PRIORITIES. THERE IS A POOL OF OWNERSHIP
SET ASIDE FOR YOU. >> HIS IDEA REALLY IS SIMPLE, GIVE RANK-AND-FILE WORKERS A STAKE IN THEIR COMPANY ON TOP
OF SALARY, PLUS A VOICE IN HOW THE BUSINESSES RUN DAY-TO-DAY. WITH SKIN IN THE GAME, THEY'LL BE MOTIVATED TO WORK HARDER AND
SMARTER. >> OWNERSHIP IS REALLY AN ETHOS. IT'S A MINDSET.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, WHAT YOU WANT ARE PEOPLE FEELING LIKE THESE ARE MY PRODUCTS. SO, IF I'M SENDING OUT POOR
QUALITY, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. IF OUR PRODUCTIVITY IS DOWN OR IF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE UNHAPPY,
THESE ARE MY CUSTOMERS. AND THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT WHEN THEY PAY OFF, YOU DO GET BEHAVIOR
CHANGE. YOU GET PEOPLE ON THE SHOP FLOOR SAYING, I HAVE IDEAS ON HOW TO REDUCE SCRAP OR IMPROVE
QUALITY. >> THE CONCEPT IS NOT A NEW ONE. IN THE '70s CONGRESS PASSED
LAWS TO ENCOURAGE EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP, A STORY "60 MINUTES" COVERED AT THE TIME. >> A YEAR AGO, THE 75 EMPLOYEES
OF THIS COMPANY WERE TOLD THEY WERE GOING TO BECOME PART OWNERS. >> BUT AS CORPORATE AMERICA
STRUGGLED WITH THE COMPLEXITY OF A NEW MODEL, THE EFFORT SPUTTERED. TODAY WHILE IT'S COMMON FOR
EXECUTIVES TO BE COMPENSATED WITH SHARES, FEWER THAN A QUARTER OF PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYEES OWN A STAKE IN THEIR
COMPANY, ALL WHILE THEIR WAGES AND WEALTH HAVE STAGNATED. DEVOUT CAPITALIST STEVE STAVROS CAN SOUND DOWN RIGHT
REVOLUTIONARY. >> YOU SAID THE SOCIAL CONTRACT IN AMERICA IS BROKEN RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> THAT WORKERS FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE HOPE. THEY DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET AHEAD.
THERE'S HALF OF AMERICA EARNS AN HOURLY WAGE. MOST OF THEM HAVE NO ASSETS, NO PLANS FOR A DIGNIFIED
RETIREMENT. >> THIS, STAVROS SAYS, IS NOT JUST BAD FOR SOCIETY. IT'S BAD FOR BALANCE SHEETS.
>> 70% OF AMERICANS DON'T LIKE THEIR JOBS. SOMEWHERE AROUND 20% HATE THEIR JOBS.
ALSO OFFERS WORKERS FREE FINANCIAL LITERACY TRAINING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS. BUT HE'S QUICK TO STRESS ANY
PAYOUT DEPENDS ON HOW THE CUP AND HE WHETHER KKR
LOOKS, WE ARE SELLING BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO POT AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW. THAT DAY WILL COME.
THAT AFTER ALL IS FIVE EQUITY. A SERVICE VILIFIED FOR ITS BUSINESS PRACTICE. >ITS SCREEN WASHING, A WATERING
DOWN OF THE REAL EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE TRACTORS LIKE THAT?
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WORKERS ARE GETTING THERE'S TOO MUCH SUBSTANCE FOR SOME OF THIS DRUG IT OFF AND GO, THAT IS FAKE.
>> COMES TO SQUEEZE PROFITS, DOES THAT CREATE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES? >> I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT
CHARACTERIZATION. CERTAINLY MISTAKES HAVE BEEN MADE BOTH IN THE INDUSTRY AND IN CAPITALISM, IF ALL PRIVATE
EQUITY WAS PLUNDERING, I JUST DO NOT THINK IT WOULD BE WHERE IT IS AT WHICH IS CONTINUING TO GAIN MARKET SHARE.
>> WHEN THERE IS A SALE TOP EXECUTIVES MAKE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
THINGS I STRUGGLE WITH ABOUT EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP IN GENERAL. IT'S GIVING PEOPLE A CHANCE TO GET A LEG UP BUT IT'S NOT GOING
TO SOLVE THE WEALTH INEQUALITY PROBLEM IN THE END. >> TALK ABOUT THIS YAWNING WEALTH GAP WE HAVE IN THE
COUNTRY. DOES PRIVATE EQUITY HELP THAT GAP OR HELP CREATED? >> WE ARE INVESTING CAPITAL AND
THAT CAPITAL IS OWED FOR THE MOST PART BY WEALTHY PEOPLE. IN A SENSE WE ARE COMPOUNDING THE PROBLEM.
SO WE WILL BE EXPERIMENTING. WE WILL LEARN. >> AND IMPERFECT MESSENGER PERHAPS, BUT PETE HAS EMERGED AS
A LEADING APOSTLE, FOUNDING A NONPROFIT TO TEACH EXECUTIVES HOW TO DEPLOY THE MODEL BUT HE CRISSCROSSES THE COUNTRY
PREACHING THE GOSPEL AT BUSINESS SCHOOLS AND BEFORE D.C. LAWMAKERS, ADVOCATING TECH UPDATE THE TAX CODE TO
INCENTIVIZE EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP WHICH HE HOPES WILL SOON BE STANDARD BUSINESS PRACTICE AND NOT AN EXOTIC EXCEPTION.
>> THIS IS AN UNPOPULAR IDEA WITH LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES, MAGGART REPUBLICANS
-->> THIS IS A BENEFIT TIED TO WORK. THE OUTCOMES ARE DRIVEN BY PERFORMANCE.
>> AND ABOUT PERFORMANCE, NOTHING HAS MATCH THAT WITH CHIN ARTHUR, ILLINOIS. IN 2022, KKR SOLD THE BUSINESS
AND WERE SUMMONED TO THE FACT
PETEGETS UP THERE AND ANNOUNCEST THE PAYOUTS ARE GOING TO BE. >> HONESTLY I'M EXCITED FOR MYSELF.
HOW COULD YOU NOT BE? THEY START TOSSING THOSE NUMBERS AROUND. >> EVEN OUR NEWEST COLLEAGUES
ARE GOING TO GET A MEANINGFUL PAYOUT OF $20,000. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] >> $20,000, $50,000, $100,000.
HOLY COW. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN GOT TO 19 YEARS YET. >> TO YOUR SENIORITY LEVEL.
>> THE PAYOUT IS SIX AND A HALF TIMES. >> BRAD AND KRYSTAL WERE TOO MODEST TO REVEAL EXACT NUMBERS
BUT TOLD US THEIR CHECKS WERE IN THE MID SIX FIGURES. SPEAK A LIFE CHANGING. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> NOT JUST FOR US BUT OUR KIDS TOO. >> OUR KIDS DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT US GET STRESSED OUT FOR
MONEY. WE AREN'T WORKING NIGHT SHIFTS. >> THE EDWARDS FAMILY DONATED TO THEIR CHURCH.
THEY FINALLY PAID OFF THAT CREDIT CARD DEBT. THEY STARTED A COLLEGE FUND FOR THEIR KIDS.
HE'S STILL STUDYING FOR HIS AT NIGHT. ACH I EMPLOYEES HAD MONEY TO SPEND IN AND ON THE
COMMUNITY. >> DO YOU THINK THAT EMPLOYEES CAN TURN INTO EMPLOYEE OWNERS. CAN THAT HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE OF
ILLINOIS, IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE? >> ABSOLUTELY IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE.
LOOK OUTSIDE OF OUR WINDOW. YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A HOUSE AND MILES OF CORNFIELD. IF IT CAN HAPPEN HERE, WHERE CAN
IT NOT HAPPEN? >> EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP WAS NOT A FAD OR A ONE-TIME WINDFALL. AFTER KKR SOLD, THE WORKERS GOT
A STAKE IN THE BUSINESS AFTER THE NEW OWNERS. WHY CHANGE A WINNING CULTURE? WHY MESS WITH
>> FOR YEARS, HOLLYWOOD HAS ACQUIRED ON TOWERING ACTION HEROES TO GET PEOPLE TO THE MOVIES BID BUT LAST SUMMER IT
WAS AN 11 AND A HALF INCH DOLL COMPLETE WITH PLASTIC ACCESSORIES AND A PERMANENTLY TANNED SIDEKICK THAT DOMINATED
THE BOX OFFICE. "BARBIE" BROUGHT IN MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS WORLDWIDE, THE HIGHEST GROSSING MOVIE OF LAST
YEAR. THE BRAINS BEHIND THE OUT-OF-THE-BOX BLOCKBUSTER IS AN EQUALLY UNIQUE FILMMAKER, GRETA
GERWIG. AS WE LAST TOLD YOU, GERWIG IS BEST KNOWN FOR HER WORK AS AN ACTOR, DIRECTOR, SCREENWRITER ON
THE SMALLER FILMS BLESSED BY TOY MAKER WAS THE DREAM JOB AND FEARED MIGHT END HER CAREER. ON A PASTEL COLORED SOUNDSTAGE
JUST OUTSIDE OF LONDON, NO ONE SEEMED TO BE HAVING MORE FUN THAN THE SET OF "BARBIE" THAN DIRECTOR GRETA GERWIG.
GERWIG HAS A WAY OF MAKING THINGS LOOK LIKE CHILD'S PLAY AND MAKING "BARBIE" WAS NOT BID THE FILMS $100 MILLION
PRODUCTION BUDGET WAS DWARFED ONLY BY THE SIZE OF ITS MARKETING BUDGET, A REPORTED $150 MILLION.
>> THERE WAS A MOMENT LIKE, WOW, I'M WAY OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S A WORK. IT WILL BE VERY PUBLIC!
[LAUGHS] IT WILL BE AN EXTREMELY PUBLIC ONE. YOU KNOW.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THOSE BIG SWINGS. LITERALLY THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS IT'S TERRIBLE AND
NOBODY LIKES IT AND IT BANKRUPTS THE STUDIO. >> IT'LL BE BAD... >> BUT HOW BAD.
AS BAD AS NOT MAKING IT? MAYBE NOT. >> DEFINITELY NOT. "BARBIE" SMASHED BOX OFFICE
RECORDS TO BECOME WARNER BROS.'S HIGHEST GROSSING FILM OF ALL TIME. IT WASN'T A SURE BET.
GRETA GERWIG, LIKE BARBIE'S PERMIT AND THE ARCHED FEET, PULLED OFF AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE BALANCING ACT.
>> I'M ONLY YOUR FAVORITE WOMAN OF ALL TIME, BARBIE! >> GIVING VOICE TO THE ICONIC DOLL AND HER FIERCEST CRITICS.
>> YOU BEEN MAKING WOMEN FEEL BAD ABOUT THEMSELVES SINCE YOU WERE INVENTED. >> YOU ARE WRITING A MOVIE FOR
PEOPLE WHO LOVE BARBIE. YOU ARE WRITING A MOVIE FOR PEOPLE WHO MAYBE DON'T LOVE BARBIE.
IT FEELS LIKE A HORNETS NEST. >> THERE WERE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SHOULD WE BE SAYING THIS OR WALKING INTO THIS STUFF?
BUT MY FEELING WAS PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW IT'S A HORNETS NEST. WE CANNOT MAKE SOMETHING THAT
PRETENDS TO BE OTHER THAN THAT. >> CAN YOU JUST CONTROL YOUR HAIR? >> IT WAS BARBIE HERSELF,
ACTRESS MARGO
BOUGHT THE RIGHTS TO MAKE A "BARBIE" MOVIE AND ASKED GERWIG TO MAKE IT. SHE AGREED AND
YOU TOLD ME THERE IS NO CHARACTER AND NO STORY. >> ISN'T BARBIE A CHARACTER? >> SHE DOESN'T HAVE A
PERSONALITY. >> WE FOUND OUT WE WERE DOING IT ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET US OUT TO IT --
>> DID YOU ACTIVELY TRY TO GET OUT OF IT? >> I MADE SOME CALLS. >> DID IT WORK?
>> GRETA WAS PERSISTENT AND GRETA SAW SOMETHING. >> WHAT WAS IT YOU SAW? BARBIE HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
1959 AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHO SHE IS AND EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION AND HAS RUN THE GAMUT OF AHEAD OF TIME, BEHIND TIME.
SHE'S A HERO, SHE'S A VILLAIN. >> TOGETHER THEY CREATED THEIR VERSION OF "BARBIELAND," A FEMINIST UTOPIA WHERE EVERYONE
IS BARBIE... , AND EVERY KEN IS JUST A KEN. BUT THE NEXT ESSENTIAL CRISIS IN BARBIE LAND SENDS BARBIE AND KEN
INTO THE REAL WORLD. >> I CAN ONLY FEEL LIKE I CAN DESCRIBE TO BE ADMIRED BUT NOT ALL GOLD.
AND THERE IS NO UNDERTONE OF VIOLINS PAID >> MINE VERY MUCH HAS
AN UNDERTONE OF VIOLENCE. DISCOVERS PATRIARCHY, AND LIKES IT. >> PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT AND SAID
THAT THIS MOVIE IS ANTIMAN. >> THE MOVIE IS MEANT TO BE A BIGHEARTED THING SINCE IT'S POKING FUN AT EVERYONE.
BUT THIS IS... I PLANNED AT THIS IN MY HEAD. I'LL JUST SAY IT. I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS NOT MAN
HATING ANYMORE THAN ARISTOPHANE ARISTOPHANES' LYSISTRATA WAS MAN HATING. IT'S NOT SICK BURN WHEN YOU PUT
IT OUT LIKE THAT. >> WE NOTICED HER MIND PERCOLATES WITH LITERARY REFERENCES BID BOND
BAUMBACH'STAKE... >> I THOUGHT MEN COULD TAKE IT. >> IT FEELS SILLY TO SAY OUT LOUD, I WHEN HE FAR,
WE LOVE KEN. WE TAKE KEN'S POSITION SERIOUSLY. NO IDENTITY OUTSIDE OF HER.
>> GERWIG AND BAUMBACH LIVE IN NEW YORK AND WROTE THE SCREENPLAY AT HOME DURING THE PANDEMIC.
>> WHERE YOU ENTERTAIN EACH OTHER? >> IT KIND OF KEPT US SANE. >> FOR WHOM THE INSANITY WENT
INTO THE MOVIE. THEY TOLD US THE FINAL CUT WHICH AT TIMES LOOKS LIKE A COVID FEVER DREAM IS VERY CLOSE TO THE
SCRIPT THEY SUBMITTED TO MATTEL. THE TOY MAKER, THEY SAY, WAS SURPRISINGLY HANDS-OFF, BUT HAD NOTES.
>> ONE OF THE NOTES WAS ON PAGE 112, DOES A MATTEL EXECUTIVE HAVE TO BE SHOT? AND I FELT LIKE THAT WAS
EXCITING. WE KNEW WE WERE ONTO SOMETHING. >> WE FELT LIKE WE MIGHT AS WELL GO FOR BROKE.
THEY ARE ALREADY NOT MAKING MOVIES. >> YOU THOUGHT IT MIGHT NOT EVER GET MADE?
>> WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT NOT EVER GET MADE. >> SHE SAYS SHE NEVER DREAMED TO BE THE ONE ENDING UP DIRECTING
IT. GRETA GERWIG GREW UP IN SACRAMENTO AND FELL IN LOVE WITH COMMUNITY THEATER IN GRADE
SCHOOL. TOOK UP DANCING AND THEN ACTING. >> DID YOU KNOW YOU WOULD END UP IN NEW YORK?
>> I KNEW I WANTED TO BE IN NEW YORK BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS POSSIBLE. I WOULD'VE THOUGHT EXTREMELY FAR
AWAY AND EXPENSIVE. >> SHE ATTENDED BARNARD COLLEGE, PERFORMED IN SCHOOL PRODUCTIONS, AND FELL IN WITH A GROUP OF
LOW-BUDGET FILMMAKERS BEFORE SETTING SITES OF A WIDER AUDIENCE. >> IT WAS THE HEYDAY OF JUST A
CERTAIN LOOK AT NETWORK TELEVISION WHICH I WAS NEVER GOOD AT DOING. I DO NOT KNOW WHY BUT I WAS
WEARING OVERALLS. I REMEMBER IT WAS A BOLD CHOICE. SHE LOOKED UP AND GOES, YOU MUST BE VERY TALENTED.
>> SHE LANDED ROLES IN MORE THAN A DOZEN MOVIES. SOME SHE HELPED WRITE. AND THEN GRETA GERWIG MADE THE
BIGGEST LEAP OF HER CAREER FROM INDIE DARLING TO BREAK OUT DIRECTOR WITH "LADYBIRD." >> THAT WAS GREAT.
LET'S PARTY. >> GERWIG WROTE THE COMING-OF-AGE STORY ABOUT THE COMP LOCATED RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN A MOTHER AND DAUGHTER. >> YOU SHOULD JUST GO TO CITY COLLEGE, AND THEN TO JAIL, AND BACK TO CITY COLLEGE AND MAYBE
YOU'LL LEARN TO PULL YOURSELF UP AND NOT EXPECT EVERYBODY TO -- >> THE SCENE WHERE SHE JUMPS OUT OF THE CAR...
WHAT WAS YOUR DIRECTION? >> I WANT YOU WITHOUT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT JUST HURL YOURSELF OUT OF THIS CAR.
I WANTED TO BE ALMOST LIKE YOU'VE ACTED BEFORE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH COMPLETELY WHAT THE RESULT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE.
>> GERWIG'S FEARLESS APPROACH EARNED THE THEN 34-YEAR-OLD TWO OSCAR NOMINATIONS. TWO YEARS LATER SHE GOT A THIRD
NOMINATION FOR HER 2019 ADAPTATION OF "LITTLE WOMEN." >> I'M SO SICK OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT LOVE IS JUST ALL A WOMAN IS
FIT FOR. I'M SO SICK OF IT. >> THEN CAME "BARBIE" WITH A BUDGET MORE THAN TEN TIMES THAT
OF "LADYBIRD." LAST FALL AT A THEATER IN NEW YORK, GERWIG SHOWED US SOME OF THE OLD MUSICALS THAT
INSPIRED HER. INCLUDING 1957'S "FUNNY FACE." >> LOOK AT THE WAY THEY ARE STANDING.
THESE AREN'T HUMANS. THESE ARE DANCERS BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANTED ALL THE BARBIES AND KENS TO LOOK LIKE.
>> COMPLETE WITH A PAINTED SKY AND BACKDROP TO GIVE THE MOVIE AID TO THE EFFECT. >> BASICALLY THE FOREGROUND,
THAT'S ON A TREADMILL TO CREATE MOVEMENT. IN THE LINES ON THE ROAD ARE BEING PULLED BY A PERSON BEHIND
IT. IT'S ABOUT SHOWING THE WORK. I WANTED TO SEE THAT IT WAS AUTHENTICALLY ARTIFICIAL, REALLY
FAKE. IT'S ABOUT KIDS. IT'S ABOUT PLAYING WITH TOYS, THE LANGUAGE OF PLAYING WITH IT.
WE SHOT THIS WHOLE THING IN ONE DAY. >> NO... >> YOU GOT ONE DAY TO GET IT.
IF YOU REALLY WANT THIS, YOU'LL GET ONE DAY. SEE THE MAN BEHIND THE TEN AND FIGHT FOR ME...
>> AS YOU SIT HERE IN THE THEATER TODAY, IT'S STILL AMAZING TO YOU? >> YEAH.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, THE WHOLE MOVIE, WHEN I WATCH IT, I -- I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE ANYBODY LET ME DO THIS.
>> I'M JUST HAVING SOME BREWSKI BEERS IN MY MOJO DOJO CASA HOUSE. >> GERWIG SAYS THEY WROTE THE
ROLE OF KEN SPECIFICALLY FOR RYAN GOSLING. THEY WROTE THE ROLE OF KEN SPECIFICALLY FOR RYAN GOSLING.
>> DID YOU KNOW HIM? >> NO. YOU WROTE WE JUST PUT HIS WHOLE NAME IN
THE WHOLE TIME. >> IT WAS A LOT TO TYPE ALL THE TIME. >> DID HE INSTANTLY SAY, LIKE,
"YES, I'M KEN"? >> I BASICALLY WAS LIKE, "LISTEN, WE'VE SEEN THE FUTURE. YOU'RE IN IT, AND YOU'RE KEN."
>> HANG AROUND WITH GRETA GERWIG LONG ENOUGH...AND A PATTERN EMERGES. >> NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOW
I GET PEOPLE TO DO THINGS.
>> SHE HAS A WAY OF COAXING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONES. AT A DANCE STUDIO IN MIDTOWN
MANHATTAN... >> WHY DON'T YOU JUST COME TRY >> GERWIG DIRECTED ME TO JOIN HER AS SHE GOT BACK INTO THE
SWING OF ONE OF HER FIRST LOVES, TAPDANCING. >> THIS IS ACTUALLY A PROUSTIAN MOMENT.
>> A PROUSTIAN MOMENT, DURING SOMETHING CALLED A PARADIDDLE. THE ONLY THING TO DO WAS STEP ASIDE.
>> ONE MORE TIME, ONE MORE TIME, WHY IS THE TIMING, MY TIMING OFF? YOU WANT TO DO IT AGAIN?
WE'LL JUST DO IT AGAIN. >> YOU'RE A BIT OF A PERFECTIONIST? >> I GUESS SO, YES.
>> BUT YOU'RE, LIKE, ANOTHER TAKE, ANOTHER TAKE, ANOTHER TAKE. >> YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE, YEAH.
>> I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH. >> ON THE SET OF BARBIE, GERWIG DIRECTED NEARLY 50 TAKES OF THIS SCENE WITH AMERICA
FERRERA, WHO PLAYS A MATTEL ASSISTANT AND MOTHER. >> IT IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A WOMAN.
>> SOUL-BARING MONOLOGUES, PENNED BY GERWIG, AREA A STAPLE OF HER FILMS. THE WRITER'S VERSION OF A
GUITAR SOLO. >> YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE SISTERHOOD, BUT ALWAYS STAND OUT AND ALWAYS BE
GRATEFUL, BUT NEVER FORGET THAT THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED SO FIND A WAY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BUT ALSO ALWAYS BE GRATEFUL.
>> GRETA WILL GO INTO SOME MONOLOGUE MODE, IT'S KIND OF ALMOST PHYSICAL. LIKE, SHE GOES IN AND SHE JUST,
LIKE -- AND KIND OF, LIKE, DOING A THING AND, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE JOE COCKER OR SOMETHING.
IT'S LIKE -- AND THEN SHE HANDS IT OVER. AND -- AND IT'S GREAT. >> NEXT, GERWIG IS TAKING ON A
BIG FRANCHISE. SHE'S DIRECTING AND WRITING TWO CHRONICLES OF NARNIA MOVIES. SHE CONFESSED PUTTING HER STAMP
ON THE BELOVED C.S. LEWIS CLASSICS IS GIVING HER NIGHTMARES. >> YEAH, WHENEVER I'M STUCK, I
GO FOR WALKS -- >> DO YOU GET -- >> -- WHICH IS MOST OF THE TIME >> DO YOU GET STUCK?
>> THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN -- >> I FEEL LIKE IT'S FLOWING OUT OF YOU -- >> THAT'S ALL I DO.
I ONLY GET STUCK. THAT'S ALL I RE -- THAT'S WHY I'M ALWAYS GOING ON WALKS. >> WHATEVER SHE'S DOING, IT'S
PAYING OFF. GRETA GERWIG IS THE FIRST WOMAN TO SOLO-DIRECT A BILLION-DOLLAR MOVIE...AN IDEA THAT ONCE
SEEMED AS FAR-FETCHED AS BARBIE IN BIRKENSTOCKS.
>> WILL THERE BE A KEN MOVIE? >> WE HAD WAY TOO MUCH MATERIAL FOR KEN. WE WOULD WRITE AND WRITE AND
WRITE. >> DON'T GIVE IT AWAY BECAUSE WE MIGHT DO -- >> AT 60MINU
>> I'M LESLEY STAHL. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."
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