1 00:00:02,502 --> 00:00:06,000 [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> ROZ WERKHEISER WAS A WAITRESS 25 YEARS AGO. NOW SHE RUNS THE PLACE. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,000 [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> ROZ WERKHEISER WAS A WAITRESS 25 YEARS AGO. NOW SHE RUNS THE PLACE. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,217 [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> ROZ WERKHEISER WAS A WAITRESS 25 YEARS AGO. NOW SHE RUNS THE PLACE. 4 00:00:17,283 --> 00:00:18,000 >> MY MOTHER USED TO ALWAYS SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO VOTE DEMOCRAT. THEY'RE FOR THE POOR PEOPLE. >> YOU GREW UP IN A DEMOCRATIC 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:24,000 >> MY MOTHER USED TO ALWAYS SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO VOTE DEMOCRAT. THEY'RE FOR THE POOR PEOPLE. >> YOU GREW UP IN A DEMOCRATIC 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,992 >> MY MOTHER USED TO ALWAYS SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO VOTE DEMOCRAT. THEY'RE FOR THE POOR PEOPLE. >> YOU GREW UP IN A DEMOCRATIC 7 00:00:26,059 --> 00:00:30,000 HOUSEHOLD, BUT YOU JUST VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP. >> YES. >> INFLATION IS DOWN BY MORE 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,029 HOUSEHOLD, BUT YOU JUST VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP. >> YES. >> INFLATION IS DOWN BY MORE 9 00:00:30,096 --> 00:00:36,000 THAN HALF, INTEREST RATES ARE FALLING, MORTGAGE RATES ARE FALLING, WAGES ARE GOING UP, ARE YOU NOT FEELING THAT? 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,670 THAN HALF, INTEREST RATES ARE FALLING, MORTGAGE RATES ARE FALLING, WAGES ARE GOING UP, ARE YOU NOT FEELING THAT? 11 00:00:37,737 --> 00:00:42,000 >> I DON'T FEEL IT. NO, I DON'T FEEL IT. I DON'T FEEL IT AT ALL. EVERYBODY I TALK TO, NOBODY'S 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,610 >> I DON'T FEEL IT. NO, I DON'T FEEL IT. I DON'T FEEL IT AT ALL. EVERYBODY I TALK TO, NOBODY'S 13 00:00:43,676 --> 00:00:48,000 WAGES WENT UP. >>> FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES, ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS BEEN A WAR REPORTER. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,253 WAGES WENT UP. >>> FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES, ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS BEEN A WAR REPORTER. 15 00:00:53,319 --> 00:00:54,000 HE DOESN'T FLINCH AT DANGER, AND MAYBE THAT RUNS IN THE FAMILY. WHAT WILL YOU DO IF THE RUSSIANS COME HERE? 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:00,000 HE DOESN'T FLINCH AT DANGER, AND MAYBE THAT RUNS IN THE FAMILY. WHAT WILL YOU DO IF THE RUSSIANS COME HERE? 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,664 HE DOESN'T FLINCH AT DANGER, AND MAYBE THAT RUNS IN THE FAMILY. WHAT WILL YOU DO IF THE RUSSIANS COME HERE? 18 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:06,000 [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> SHE SAYS THAT RUSSIANS WILL NEVER COME HERE, NEVER. 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,303 [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> SHE SAYS THAT RUSSIANS WILL NEVER COME HERE, NEVER. 20 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:12,000 WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, MY MOM. >>> MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE ROBOTS SCULPTING MARBLE. WATCH LEONARDO I DID I DID -- 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:18,000 WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, MY MOM. >>> MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE ROBOTS SCULPTING MARBLE. WATCH LEONARDO I DID I DID -- 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:24,000 WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, MY MOM. >>> MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE ROBOTS SCULPTING MARBLE. WATCH LEONARDO I DID I DID -- 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:30,000 WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, MY MOM. >>> MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE ROBOTS SCULPTING MARBLE. WATCH LEONARDO I DID I DID -- 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:36,000 WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, MY MOM. >>> MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE ROBOTS SCULPTING MARBLE. WATCH LEONARDO I DID I DID -- 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,898 WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, MY MOM. >>> MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE ROBOTS SCULPTING MARBLE. WATCH LEONARDO I DID I DID -- 26 00:01:38,965 --> 00:01:42,000 >> IF YOU WERE DOING THIS THE OLD FASHIONED WAY, HAMMER AND CHISEL, HOW LONG WOULD THIS TAKE? 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,239 >> IF YOU WERE DOING THIS THE OLD FASHIONED WAY, HAMMER AND CHISEL, HOW LONG WOULD THIS TAKE? 28 00:01:46,306 --> 00:01:48,000 >> MATEN TIMES MORE AT LEAST. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,445 >> MATEN TIMES MORE AT LEAST. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. 30 00:01:52,512 --> 00:01:54,000 >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,452 >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. 32 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:00,000 THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THIS SPECIAL >>> WITH ARIZONA CALLED LAST NIGHT, DONALD TRUMP SWEPT ALL 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:06,000 THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THIS SPECIAL >>> WITH ARIZONA CALLED LAST NIGHT, DONALD TRUMP SWEPT ALL 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,000 THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THIS SPECIAL >>> WITH ARIZONA CALLED LAST NIGHT, DONALD TRUMP SWEPT ALL 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:18,000 THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THIS SPECIAL >>> WITH ARIZONA CALLED LAST NIGHT, DONALD TRUMP SWEPT ALL 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,372 THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THIS SPECIAL >>> WITH ARIZONA CALLED LAST NIGHT, DONALD TRUMP SWEPT ALL 37 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:24,000 SEVEN SWING STATES. SIX OF THEM FLIPPED FROM JOE BIDEN'S COLUMN IN 2020. SO FAR THE PRESIDENT-ELECT HAS 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,478 SEVEN SWING STATES. SIX OF THEM FLIPPED FROM JOE BIDEN'S COLUMN IN 2020. SO FAR THE PRESIDENT-ELECT HAS 39 00:02:25,545 --> 00:02:30,000 WON JUST OVER 50% OF THE POPULAR VOTE, AND HE MADE GAINS IN KEY DEMOGRAPHICS, INCLUDING THE YOUNG, LATINOS, AND WOMEN. 40 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:36,000 WON JUST OVER 50% OF THE POPULAR VOTE, AND HE MADE GAINS IN KEY DEMOGRAPHICS, INCLUDING THE YOUNG, LATINOS, AND WOMEN. 41 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:36,155 WON JUST OVER 50% OF THE POPULAR VOTE, AND HE MADE GAINS IN KEY DEMOGRAPHICS, INCLUDING THE YOUNG, LATINOS, AND WOMEN. 42 00:02:36,222 --> 00:02:42,000 REPUBLICANS TOOK THE SENATE AND ARE ON TRACK TO CONTROL THE HOUSE. TUESDAY, MORE THAN 80% OF ALL 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,228 REPUBLICANS TOOK THE SENATE AND ARE ON TRACK TO CONTROL THE HOUSE. TUESDAY, MORE THAN 80% OF ALL 44 00:02:42,295 --> 00:02:48,000 THE NATION'S COUNTIES MOVED TOWARD THE RIGHT. THE THEFT IS DECISIVE AND LEAVES DEMOCRATS ARGUING OVER HOW THEY 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,437 THE NATION'S COUNTIES MOVED TOWARD THE RIGHT. THE THEFT IS DECISIVE AND LEAVES DEMOCRATS ARGUING OVER HOW THEY 46 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:54,000 MISREAD THE PEOPLE. TO UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED, WE WENT TO PENNSYLVANIA, ONE OF THE PLACES 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,777 MISREAD THE PEOPLE. TO UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED, WE WENT TO PENNSYLVANIA, ONE OF THE PLACES 48 00:02:57,844 --> 00:03:00,000 THAT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. >> POLITICAL PILGRIMS SEEKING A VISION OF THE FUTURE TRAVEL TO BETHLEHEM. 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,000 THAT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. >> POLITICAL PILGRIMS SEEKING A VISION OF THE FUTURE TRAVEL TO BETHLEHEM. 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,389 THAT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. >> POLITICAL PILGRIMS SEEKING A VISION OF THE FUTURE TRAVEL TO BETHLEHEM. 51 00:03:09,455 --> 00:03:12,000 >> WE'RE IN BETHLEHEM, WHICH IS THE HEART OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, COUNTY ALONG THE DELAWARE RIVER. MID SIZE, MIX OF URBAN, 52 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,000 >> WE'RE IN BETHLEHEM, WHICH IS THE HEART OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, COUNTY ALONG THE DELAWARE RIVER. MID SIZE, MIX OF URBAN, 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,100 >> WE'RE IN BETHLEHEM, WHICH IS THE HEART OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, COUNTY ALONG THE DELAWARE RIVER. MID SIZE, MIX OF URBAN, 54 00:03:21,167 --> 00:03:24,000 SUBURBAN, RURAL AREAS ALL IN A PRETTY CENTRAL LOCATION HERE IN EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA. >> AND PRETTY PERFECT FOR 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,774 SUBURBAN, RURAL AREAS ALL IN A PRETTY CENTRAL LOCATION HERE IN EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA. >> AND PRETTY PERFECT FOR 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,000 PICKING PRESIDENTS. FOR 25 YEARS, CHRIS BORICK HAS BEEN CONDUCTING ONE OF THE LEADING POLLS OF PENNSYLVANIA 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,681 PICKING PRESIDENTS. FOR 25 YEARS, CHRIS BORICK HAS BEEN CONDUCTING ONE OF THE LEADING POLLS OF PENNSYLVANIA 58 00:03:34,747 --> 00:03:36,000 VOTERS. HE'S A PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE OF MUHLENBERG COUNTY. >> IT WAS AN OBAMA COUNTY, THEN 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:42,000 VOTERS. HE'S A PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE OF MUHLENBERG COUNTY. >> IT WAS AN OBAMA COUNTY, THEN 60 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,290 VOTERS. HE'S A PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE OF MUHLENBERG COUNTY. >> IT WAS AN OBAMA COUNTY, THEN 61 00:03:44,357 --> 00:03:48,000 A TRUMP COUNTY. THEN IT WAS A BIDEN COUNTY. AND IN 2024, IT ONCE AGAIN IS A TRUMP COUNTY. 62 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,597 A TRUMP COUNTY. THEN IT WAS A BIDEN COUNTY. AND IN 2024, IT ONCE AGAIN IS A TRUMP COUNTY. 63 00:03:50,663 --> 00:03:54,000 >> HOW DID TRUMP WIN? >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK HE HAD THE WINS ON HIS SIDE HERE FROM TALKING TO VOTERS. 64 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,736 >> HOW DID TRUMP WIN? >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK HE HAD THE WINS ON HIS SIDE HERE FROM TALKING TO VOTERS. 65 00:03:56,803 --> 00:04:00,000 THEY'RE NOT IN A GREAT MOOD. THEY'RE NOT IN A GOOD PLACE. THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,376 THEY'RE NOT IN A GREAT MOOD. THEY'RE NOT IN A GOOD PLACE. THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, 67 00:04:03,443 --> 00:04:06,000 THE ECONOMY IS GOOD. BUT THEY'RE FEELING THINGS IN THEIR LIVES THAT TROUBLE THEM. HOUSING PRICES HERE, GROCERY 68 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,882 THE ECONOMY IS GOOD. BUT THEY'RE FEELING THINGS IN THEIR LIVES THAT TROUBLE THEM. HOUSING PRICES HERE, GROCERY 69 00:04:09,949 --> 00:04:12,000 PRICES. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WHEN I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THIS YEAR THEY REFERENCED EGGS AND 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:18,000 PRICES. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WHEN I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THIS YEAR THEY REFERENCED EGGS AND 71 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,625 PRICES. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WHEN I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THIS YEAR THEY REFERENCED EGGS AND 72 00:04:18,691 --> 00:04:24,000 THE PRICE OF EGGS. >> EGG PRICES DOUBLED AND FEATURED ON THE MENU OF DISCONTENT. 73 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:24,130 THE PRICE OF EGGS. >> EGG PRICES DOUBLED AND FEATURED ON THE MENU OF DISCONTENT. 74 00:04:24,197 --> 00:04:30,000 AT THE NAZARETH DINER NEAR BETHLEHEM, NO ONE SEES A SUNNY SIDE TO INFLATION, AND HOUSING PRICES. 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,407 AT THE NAZARETH DINER NEAR BETHLEHEM, NO ONE SEES A SUNNY SIDE TO INFLATION, AND HOUSING PRICES. 76 00:04:34,474 --> 00:04:36,000 THE AVERAGE TAB HERE IN 2020 WAS $24. NOW IT'S 38. AND THAT'S THE ELECTION IN AN 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,813 THE AVERAGE TAB HERE IN 2020 WAS $24. NOW IT'S 38. AND THAT'S THE ELECTION IN AN 78 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,000 EGG SHELL. >> THE PRICES HAVE WENT UP, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THE FOOD COST. AND FOR A FAMILY OF, LIKE, FOUR 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:48,000 EGG SHELL. >> THE PRICES HAVE WENT UP, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THE FOOD COST. AND FOR A FAMILY OF, LIKE, FOUR 80 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:48,688 EGG SHELL. >> THE PRICES HAVE WENT UP, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THE FOOD COST. AND FOR A FAMILY OF, LIKE, FOUR 81 00:04:48,755 --> 00:04:54,000 PEOPLE, FIVE PEOPLE, I HAVE THEM COME IN AND SAY, OH, MY GOD, I SPENT $100 WITH THE TIP FOR BREAKFAST? 82 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,994 PEOPLE, FIVE PEOPLE, I HAVE THEM COME IN AND SAY, OH, MY GOD, I SPENT $100 WITH THE TIP FOR BREAKFAST? 83 00:04:55,061 --> 00:05:00,000 THAT'S CRAZY. WHICH IT IS. >> 7:30, WE OPEN. >> ROZ WERKHEISER WAS A WAITRESS 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,634 THAT'S CRAZY. WHICH IT IS. >> 7:30, WE OPEN. >> ROZ WERKHEISER WAS A WAITRESS 85 00:05:01,701 --> 00:05:06,000 25 YEARS AGO. NOW SHE RUNS THE PLACE. >> MY MOTHER USED TO ALWAYS SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO VOTE DEMOCRAT. 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,007 25 YEARS AGO. NOW SHE RUNS THE PLACE. >> MY MOTHER USED TO ALWAYS SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO VOTE DEMOCRAT. 87 00:05:08,074 --> 00:05:12,000 THEY'RE FOR THE PEOPLE. >> YOU GREW UP IN A DEMOCRATIC HOUSEHOLD. >> YES. 88 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,111 THEY'RE FOR THE PEOPLE. >> YOU GREW UP IN A DEMOCRATIC HOUSEHOLD. >> YES. 89 00:05:12,178 --> 00:05:16,382 >> BUT YOU JUST VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP. >> YES. >> INFLATION IS DOWN BY MORE 90 00:05:16,449 --> 00:05:18,000 THAN HALF. INTEREST RATES ARE FALLING. MORTGAGE RATES ARE FALLING. WAGES ARE GOING UP. 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,188 THAN HALF. INTEREST RATES ARE FALLING. MORTGAGE RATES ARE FALLING. WAGES ARE GOING UP. 92 00:05:22,255 --> 00:05:24,000 ARE YOU NOT FEELING THAT? >> I DON'T FEEL IT. NO, I DON'T FEEL IT. I DON'T FEEL IT AT ALL. 93 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,627 ARE YOU NOT FEELING THAT? >> I DON'T FEEL IT. NO, I DON'T FEEL IT. I DON'T FEEL IT AT ALL. 94 00:05:27,694 --> 00:05:30,000 EVERYBODY I TALK TO, NOBODY'S WAGES WENT UP. BUT WE HAD FOUR YEARS OF THIS. I MEAN, FOUR YEARS. 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,201 EVERYBODY I TALK TO, NOBODY'S WAGES WENT UP. BUT WE HAD FOUR YEARS OF THIS. I MEAN, FOUR YEARS. 96 00:05:35,268 --> 00:05:36,000 GAS WAS SUPER HIGH. YES, IT JUST WENT DOWN NOW BUT THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS IT WAS UP. 97 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,000 GAS WAS SUPER HIGH. YES, IT JUST WENT DOWN NOW BUT THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS IT WAS UP. 98 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,209 GAS WAS SUPER HIGH. YES, IT JUST WENT DOWN NOW BUT THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS IT WAS UP. 99 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:48,000 >> THE PARTY IN POWER IS GOING TO BE BLAMED BY A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE ELECTORATE FOR ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THEY DON'T 100 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,115 >> THE PARTY IN POWER IS GOING TO BE BLAMED BY A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE ELECTORATE FOR ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THEY DON'T 101 00:05:49,182 --> 00:05:54,000 LIKE. AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT. >> ANTHONY SALVANTO IS CBS NEWS 102 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:54,687 LIKE. AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT. >> ANTHONY SALVANTO IS CBS NEWS 103 00:05:54,754 --> 00:06:00,000 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ELECTIONS AND SURVEYS. >> WHO WERE THE TRUMP VOTERS? >> PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED THAT 104 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,193 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ELECTIONS AND SURVEYS. >> WHO WERE THE TRUMP VOTERS? >> PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED THAT 105 00:06:00,259 --> 00:06:06,000 THINGS WOULD BE BETTER THAN -- BE BETTER FINANCIALLY UNDER DONALD TRUMP, IN LARGE MEASURE BECAUSE THEY RECALLED A TIME 106 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 THINGS WOULD BE BETTER THAN -- BE BETTER FINANCIALLY UNDER DONALD TRUMP, IN LARGE MEASURE BECAUSE THEY RECALLED A TIME 107 00:06:08,067 --> 00:06:12,000 BEFORE THE PANDEMIC WHEN THEY SAID THE ECONOMY WAS GOOD. AND THAT'S HOW THEY WERE BENCHMARKING THEIR FINANCIAL 108 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,907 BEFORE THE PANDEMIC WHEN THEY SAID THE ECONOMY WAS GOOD. AND THAT'S HOW THEY WERE BENCHMARKING THEIR FINANCIAL 109 00:06:14,974 --> 00:06:18,000 COMPARISON. NUMBER TWO, DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE MAGA BASE. THERE'S THE REPUBLICAN BASE AND 110 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,813 COMPARISON. NUMBER TWO, DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE MAGA BASE. THERE'S THE REPUBLICAN BASE AND 111 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,000 THEN THERE'S THE MAGA BASE WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THESE FOLKS HAVE A VERY PERSONAL CONNECTION TO DONALD TRUMP. 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,819 THEN THERE'S THE MAGA BASE WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THESE FOLKS HAVE A VERY PERSONAL CONNECTION TO DONALD TRUMP. 113 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:30,000 MANY OF THEM TURN OUT TO VOTE JUST BECAUSE HE IS ON THE TICKET. >> TRUMP SWEPT THE SWING STATES 114 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,460 MANY OF THEM TURN OUT TO VOTE JUST BECAUSE HE IS ON THE TICKET. >> TRUMP SWEPT THE SWING STATES 115 00:06:34,527 --> 00:06:36,000 BUT NARROWLY. ABOUT 1% IN MICHIGAN, ABOUT 2% IN GEORGIA AND PENNSYLVANIA. >> DOES THIS ELECTION REPRESENT 116 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000 BUT NARROWLY. ABOUT 1% IN MICHIGAN, ABOUT 2% IN GEORGIA AND PENNSYLVANIA. >> DOES THIS ELECTION REPRESENT 117 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,203 BUT NARROWLY. ABOUT 1% IN MICHIGAN, ABOUT 2% IN GEORGIA AND PENNSYLVANIA. >> DOES THIS ELECTION REPRESENT 118 00:06:44,270 --> 00:06:48,000 A MAJOR REALIGNMENT OF THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE, OR IS IT JUST AN ELECTION WITH ITS OWN ISSUES? 119 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,076 A MAJOR REALIGNMENT OF THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE, OR IS IT JUST AN ELECTION WITH ITS OWN ISSUES? 120 00:06:50,143 --> 00:06:54,000 >> I THINK IT'S A SHIFT, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE, AND NOT JUST IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES BUT IN PLACES LIKE COUNTIES IN 121 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,151 >> I THINK IT'S A SHIFT, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE, AND NOT JUST IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES BUT IN PLACES LIKE COUNTIES IN 122 00:06:58,217 --> 00:07:00,000 NEW YORK, IN NEW JERSEY, IN PENNSYLVANIA. AND I THINK IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE KINDS OF CHANGES IN 123 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:06,000 NEW YORK, IN NEW JERSEY, IN PENNSYLVANIA. AND I THINK IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE KINDS OF CHANGES IN 124 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,794 NEW YORK, IN NEW JERSEY, IN PENNSYLVANIA. AND I THINK IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE KINDS OF CHANGES IN 125 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:12,000 CONSTITUENCIES THAT WE SAW. DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO AS WELL. REPUBLICANS DID BETTER AMONG YOUNG VOTERS, AMONG LATINO 126 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,670 CONSTITUENCIES THAT WE SAW. DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO AS WELL. REPUBLICANS DID BETTER AMONG YOUNG VOTERS, AMONG LATINO 127 00:07:17,737 --> 00:07:18,000 VOTERS. >> THE HISTORIC SUPPORT THAT DONALD TRUMP GOT FROM THE LATINO COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BUILDING OVER 128 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,308 VOTERS. >> THE HISTORIC SUPPORT THAT DONALD TRUMP GOT FROM THE LATINO COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BUILDING OVER 129 00:07:22,375 --> 00:07:24,000 A SERIES OF ELECTION CYCLES. >> LESLIE SANCHEZ IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO CBS NEWS. >> WHAT DID YOU SEE ON ELECTION 130 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:30,000 A SERIES OF ELECTION CYCLES. >> LESLIE SANCHEZ IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO CBS NEWS. >> WHAT DID YOU SEE ON ELECTION 131 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,185 A SERIES OF ELECTION CYCLES. >> LESLIE SANCHEZ IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO CBS NEWS. >> WHAT DID YOU SEE ON ELECTION 132 00:07:32,251 --> 00:07:36,000 NIGHT IN TERMS OF LATINO SUPPORT FOR REPUBLICANS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY? >> YOU HAVE SECOND AND THIRD 133 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,025 NIGHT IN TERMS OF LATINO SUPPORT FOR REPUBLICANS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY? >> YOU HAVE SECOND AND THIRD 134 00:07:39,091 --> 00:07:42,000 GENERATION LATINO FAMILIES WHO ARE LIVING IN THE MIDDLE CLASS, WORKING CLASS FAMILIES, VERY SENSITIVE TO INFLATION AND 135 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,263 GENERATION LATINO FAMILIES WHO ARE LIVING IN THE MIDDLE CLASS, WORKING CLASS FAMILIES, VERY SENSITIVE TO INFLATION AND 136 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:48,000 PRICES AND VERY SENSITIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES TO AN OPEN BORDER. THOSE TWO PRESSURES TOGETHER 137 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,236 PRICES AND VERY SENSITIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES TO AN OPEN BORDER. THOSE TWO PRESSURES TOGETHER 138 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:54,000 CREATED A COMMUNITY THAT WANTED CHANGE AND THEY FUNDAMENTALLY FELT IF YOU TALKED TO THEM THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD LEFT 139 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,776 CREATED A COMMUNITY THAT WANTED CHANGE AND THEY FUNDAMENTALLY FELT IF YOU TALKED TO THEM THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD LEFT 140 00:07:56,843 --> 00:08:00,000 THEM. >> DONALD TRUMP'S ELECTION DAY SUPPORT AMONG LATINOS JUMPED 14 POINTS. 141 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,481 THEM. >> DONALD TRUMP'S ELECTION DAY SUPPORT AMONG LATINOS JUMPED 14 POINTS. 142 00:08:02,548 --> 00:08:06,000 >> YOU VOTED FOR WHO? >> I VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP. >> LATINOS ARE 20% OF THE U.S. POPULATION NOW AND THE 143 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,890 >> YOU VOTED FOR WHO? >> I VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP. >> LATINOS ARE 20% OF THE U.S. POPULATION NOW AND THE 144 00:08:10,957 --> 00:08:12,000 FASTEST-GROWING COMMUNITY IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA. RONALD CORALES OPENED A 145 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,763 FASTEST-GROWING COMMUNITY IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA. RONALD CORALES OPENED A 146 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:18,000 BARBERSHOP 12 YEARSING A, THEN A SECOND, NOW A THIRD. SOME OF HIS EMPLOYEES CHANGED THEIR MINDS ABOUT REPUBLICANS 147 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:24,000 BARBERSHOP 12 YEARSING A, THEN A SECOND, NOW A THIRD. SOME OF HIS EMPLOYEES CHANGED THEIR MINDS ABOUT REPUBLICANS 148 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,638 BARBERSHOP 12 YEARSING A, THEN A SECOND, NOW A THIRD. SOME OF HIS EMPLOYEES CHANGED THEIR MINDS ABOUT REPUBLICANS 149 00:08:25,705 --> 00:08:30,000 FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO DO REALLY WELL WITH LATINO VOTERS. 150 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,943 FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO DO REALLY WELL WITH LATINO VOTERS. 151 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:36,000 >> YES. >> DONALD TRUMP MADE A LOT OF INROADS IN THIS ELECTION AND I WONDER WHY YOU THINK THAT IS. 152 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,783 >> YES. >> DONALD TRUMP MADE A LOT OF INROADS IN THIS ELECTION AND I WONDER WHY YOU THINK THAT IS. 153 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:42,000 >> THE ECONOMY. THE ECONOMY. I'VE BEEN TALKING THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, PEOPLE AT ONE 154 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,756 >> THE ECONOMY. THE ECONOMY. I'VE BEEN TALKING THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, PEOPLE AT ONE 155 00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:48,000 POINT, THEY WERE AGAINST HIM BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS OR WHATEVER THE MEDIA WAS SAYING. BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE 156 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,495 POINT, THEY WERE AGAINST HIM BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS OR WHATEVER THE MEDIA WAS SAYING. BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE 157 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:54,000 LATINOS ARE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. THEY HAVE FAMILIES. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE FAMILIES 158 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,700 LATINOS ARE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. THEY HAVE FAMILIES. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE FAMILIES 159 00:08:54,767 --> 00:09:00,000 EVEN OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY AS WELL. >> CORALES' LATE FATHER IMMIGRATED FROM PERU. 160 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,343 EVEN OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY AS WELL. >> CORALES' LATE FATHER IMMIGRATED FROM PERU. 161 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:06,000 HE NAMED HIS SON FOR THE PRESIDENT. TODAY RONALD FINDS SOME COMMON GROUND WITH TRUMP EVEN ON 162 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,484 HE NAMED HIS SON FOR THE PRESIDENT. TODAY RONALD FINDS SOME COMMON GROUND WITH TRUMP EVEN ON 163 00:09:11,550 --> 00:09:12,000 IMMIGRATION. >> WE STILL NEED IMMIGRATION, BUT DO IT THE LEGAL WAY. AND HOPEFULLY PRESIDENT TRUMP 164 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,757 IMMIGRATION. >> WE STILL NEED IMMIGRATION, BUT DO IT THE LEGAL WAY. AND HOPEFULLY PRESIDENT TRUMP 165 00:09:17,823 --> 00:09:18,000 WILL BRING SOME KIND OF LEGALIZATION TO THE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT 166 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:23,296 WILL BRING SOME KIND OF LEGALIZATION TO THE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT 167 00:09:23,362 --> 00:09:24,000 THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK AND CONTINUE TO LIVE WITH THE AMERICAN DREAM. >> SPEAKING OF FAMILYS THAT LIVE 168 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,768 THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK AND CONTINUE TO LIVE WITH THE AMERICAN DREAM. >> SPEAKING OF FAMILYS THAT LIVE 169 00:09:28,834 --> 00:09:30,000 ALONG THE U.S./MEXICO BORDER, THIS HAS BEEN A CULTURAL AND ECONOMICAL RELATIONSHIP. RIGHT THERE ON THE BORDER FOR 170 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,875 ALONG THE U.S./MEXICO BORDER, THIS HAS BEEN A CULTURAL AND ECONOMICAL RELATIONSHIP. RIGHT THERE ON THE BORDER FOR 171 00:09:35,942 --> 00:09:36,000 OVER 100 YEARS. BUT IT NO LONGER IS BALANCED. THIS FLOOD OF MIGRANTS COMING ACROSS, AND THEY FEEL IT'S 172 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,000 OVER 100 YEARS. BUT IT NO LONGER IS BALANCED. THIS FLOOD OF MIGRANTS COMING ACROSS, AND THEY FEEL IT'S 173 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,683 OVER 100 YEARS. BUT IT NO LONGER IS BALANCED. THIS FLOOD OF MIGRANTS COMING ACROSS, AND THEY FEEL IT'S 174 00:09:43,749 --> 00:09:48,000 LAWLESSNESS. IT'S PUTTING TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON BORDER PATROL, FIRST RESPONDERS, AND THEIR FAMILIES 175 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,823 LAWLESSNESS. IT'S PUTTING TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON BORDER PATROL, FIRST RESPONDERS, AND THEIR FAMILIES 176 00:09:50,890 --> 00:09:54,000 AND MUNICIPALITIES. >> DID DEMOCRATS TAKE LATINOS FOR GRANTED? >> ABSOLUTELY. 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,928 AND MUNICIPALITIES. >> DID DEMOCRATS TAKE LATINOS FOR GRANTED? >> ABSOLUTELY. 178 00:09:55,995 --> 00:10:00,000 I THINK THE PARTY OF MY PARENTS, THE PARTY OF MY GRANDPARENTS, JUST ASSUMED THAT LATINOS, WE WOULD NATURALLY FALL IN LINE 179 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,436 I THINK THE PARTY OF MY PARENTS, THE PARTY OF MY GRANDPARENTS, JUST ASSUMED THAT LATINOS, WE WOULD NATURALLY FALL IN LINE 180 00:10:03,502 --> 00:10:06,000 WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. AND IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, ABOUT 10% MORE HISPANIC AMERICANS HAVE MOVED INTO THE MIDDLE CLASS. 181 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,876 WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. AND IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, ABOUT 10% MORE HISPANIC AMERICANS HAVE MOVED INTO THE MIDDLE CLASS. 182 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:12,000 THEY ARE MUCH MORE SENSITIVE TO THESE ECONOMIC ISSUES. WE LIVE ON THE MARGINS STILL. SO, SMALL RIPPLES IN INFLATION 183 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,000 THEY ARE MUCH MORE SENSITIVE TO THESE ECONOMIC ISSUES. WE LIVE ON THE MARGINS STILL. SO, SMALL RIPPLES IN INFLATION 184 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:18,050 THEY ARE MUCH MORE SENSITIVE TO THESE ECONOMIC ISSUES. WE LIVE ON THE MARGINS STILL. SO, SMALL RIPPLES IN INFLATION 185 00:10:18,117 --> 00:10:23,589 REALLY HAVE A DRAMATIC IMPACT. >> DO YOU THINK THIS IS A LASTING CHANGE BEYOND THIS ELECTION? 186 00:10:23,656 --> 00:10:24,000 >> I WOULD ARGUE ABSOLUTELY. SO, THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF TRUMP CAN REALLY MEET THOSE PROMISES, BRING INFLATION DOWN, 187 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:30,000 >> I WOULD ARGUE ABSOLUTELY. SO, THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF TRUMP CAN REALLY MEET THOSE PROMISES, BRING INFLATION DOWN, 188 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,429 >> I WOULD ARGUE ABSOLUTELY. SO, THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF TRUMP CAN REALLY MEET THOSE PROMISES, BRING INFLATION DOWN, 189 00:10:30,496 --> 00:10:36,000 MAKE THINGS MORE AFFORDABLE, AND MAKE THESE FAMILIES FEEL MORE FINANCIALLY SECURE, HE'S GOING TO HAVE AN ALLY FOR PROBABLY 190 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,904 MAKE THINGS MORE AFFORDABLE, AND MAKE THESE FAMILIES FEEL MORE FINANCIALLY SECURE, HE'S GOING TO HAVE AN ALLY FOR PROBABLY 191 00:10:38,971 --> 00:10:42,000 SEVERAL ELECTION CYCLES GOING FORWARD. >> WHEN ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS 192 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:42,908 SEVERAL ELECTION CYCLES GOING FORWARD. >> WHEN ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS 193 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:48,000 IS GOING TO BE SEVERAL MILLION VOTES SHORT OF WHERE JOE BIDEN WAS IN 2020. WHY? 194 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,315 IS GOING TO BE SEVERAL MILLION VOTES SHORT OF WHERE JOE BIDEN WAS IN 2020. WHY? 195 00:10:49,382 --> 00:10:54,000 >> THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN LOST THE TURNOUT GAME IN MANY RESPECTS. WE ALL KNEW GOING IN THAT ONE OF THE KEYS HERE WERE PEOPLE WHO 196 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,000 >> THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN LOST THE TURNOUT GAME IN MANY RESPECTS. WE ALL KNEW GOING IN THAT ONE OF THE KEYS HERE WERE PEOPLE WHO 197 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,393 >> THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN LOST THE TURNOUT GAME IN MANY RESPECTS. WE ALL KNEW GOING IN THAT ONE OF THE KEYS HERE WERE PEOPLE WHO 198 00:11:00,459 --> 00:11:06,000 DON'T ALWAYS VOTE, NEW VOTERS, PEOPLE WHO SKIPPED THE ELECTION IN 2020. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN DID A BETTER 199 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:06,599 DON'T ALWAYS VOTE, NEW VOTERS, PEOPLE WHO SKIPPED THE ELECTION IN 2020. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN DID A BETTER 200 00:11:06,665 --> 00:11:12,000 JOB THAN THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN AT TURNING THEM OUT. THOSE 2020 NON-VOTERS BROKE FOR DONALD TRUMP. 201 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,640 JOB THAN THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN AT TURNING THEM OUT. THOSE 2020 NON-VOTERS BROKE FOR DONALD TRUMP. 202 00:11:14,707 --> 00:11:18,000 >> AND HARRIS' TURNOUT FAILED EVEN ON AN ISSUE DEMOCRATS WERE SURE WOULD BE COMPELLING, ONE THAT HELPED THEM IN THE 2022 203 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,000 >> AND HARRIS' TURNOUT FAILED EVEN ON AN ISSUE DEMOCRATS WERE SURE WOULD BE COMPELLING, ONE THAT HELPED THEM IN THE 2022 204 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:24,683 >> AND HARRIS' TURNOUT FAILED EVEN ON AN ISSUE DEMOCRATS WERE SURE WOULD BE COMPELLING, ONE THAT HELPED THEM IN THE 2022 205 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:28,654 MIDTERMS. >> THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD DO BETTER WITH WOMEN. THEY DID NOT. 206 00:11:28,721 --> 00:11:30,000 THEY THOUGHT THAT THE ABORTION ISSUE WOULD DRIVE MORE PEOPLE TO THE HARRIS SIDE. IT DID NOT. 207 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,027 THEY THOUGHT THAT THE ABORTION ISSUE WOULD DRIVE MORE PEOPLE TO THE HARRIS SIDE. IT DID NOT. 208 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:36,000 >> ANOTHER PART OF HARRIS' SHORTFALL CAME AFTER AN ADVERTISING BLITZ TARGETING HER SUPPORT FOR TRANSGENDER RIGHTS. 209 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:42,000 >> ANOTHER PART OF HARRIS' SHORTFALL CAME AFTER AN ADVERTISING BLITZ TARGETING HER SUPPORT FOR TRANSGENDER RIGHTS. 210 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,738 >> ANOTHER PART OF HARRIS' SHORTFALL CAME AFTER AN ADVERTISING BLITZ TARGETING HER SUPPORT FOR TRANSGENDER RIGHTS. 211 00:11:45,805 --> 00:11:48,000 REPUBLICANS SPENT $143 MILLION ON THE TRANSGENDER CAMPAIGN TO CAST DEMOCRATS AS OUT OF TOUCH. >> THE PARTY AS A WHOLE SPENDS 212 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,000 REPUBLICANS SPENT $143 MILLION ON THE TRANSGENDER CAMPAIGN TO CAST DEMOCRATS AS OUT OF TOUCH. >> THE PARTY AS A WHOLE SPENDS 213 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,815 REPUBLICANS SPENT $143 MILLION ON THE TRANSGENDER CAMPAIGN TO CAST DEMOCRATS AS OUT OF TOUCH. >> THE PARTY AS A WHOLE SPENDS 214 00:11:55,881 --> 00:12:00,000 TOO MUCH TIME IN PLACES LIKE WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK AND CHICAGO AND DOESN'T REALLY SPEND TIME LISTENING TO PEOPLE LIKE MY 215 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,490 TOO MUCH TIME IN PLACES LIKE WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK AND CHICAGO AND DOESN'T REALLY SPEND TIME LISTENING TO PEOPLE LIKE MY 216 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:06,000 CONSTITUENTS. >> DEMOCRAT SUSAN WILD IS NORTHAMPTON COUNTY'S REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS, AND 217 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,428 CONSTITUENTS. >> DEMOCRAT SUSAN WILD IS NORTHAMPTON COUNTY'S REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS, AND 218 00:12:09,495 --> 00:12:12,000 SHE'S THINKING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC LOSSES. >> IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING TO PAY YOUR RENT OR FEED YOUR KIDS, YOU 219 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,136 SHE'S THINKING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC LOSSES. >> IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING TO PAY YOUR RENT OR FEED YOUR KIDS, YOU 220 00:12:17,203 --> 00:12:18,000 DON'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE LGBTQ RIGHTS RIGHTS. 221 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:24,000 DON'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE LGBTQ RIGHTS RIGHTS. 222 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,478 DON'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE LGBTQ RIGHTS RIGHTS. 223 00:12:25,544 --> 00:12:30,000 UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY AFFECTED, YOU DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF THINKING ABOUT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. 224 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,517 UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY AFFECTED, YOU DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF THINKING ABOUT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. 225 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:36,000 UNFORTUNATELY I THINK OUR PARTY NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS JUST THINKING ABOUT THESE VERY IMPORTANT SOCIAL 226 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,092 UNFORTUNATELY I THINK OUR PARTY NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS JUST THINKING ABOUT THESE VERY IMPORTANT SOCIAL 227 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:42,000 ISSUES. >> WILD HAS SERVED SINCE 2018, AND TUESDAY SHE RAN FOR A FOURTH TERM AGAINST REPUBLICAN RYAN 228 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:47,299 ISSUES. >> WILD HAS SERVED SINCE 2018, AND TUESDAY SHE RAN FOR A FOURTH TERM AGAINST REPUBLICAN RYAN 229 00:12:47,366 --> 00:12:48,000 McKENZIE. SHE LOST BY 1.2% TO A TRUMP DISCIPLE WHO HAD INSISTED THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN. 230 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:54,000 McKENZIE. SHE LOST BY 1.2% TO A TRUMP DISCIPLE WHO HAD INSISTED THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN. 231 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,943 McKENZIE. SHE LOST BY 1.2% TO A TRUMP DISCIPLE WHO HAD INSISTED THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN. 232 00:12:58,010 --> 00:13:00,000 >> WE HAVE A PICTURE OF YOU FROM 2021 LYING IN THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE CHAMBER, AS DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS WERE TRYING TO SMASH 233 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:06,000 >> WE HAVE A PICTURE OF YOU FROM 2021 LYING IN THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE CHAMBER, AS DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS WERE TRYING TO SMASH 234 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,185 >> WE HAVE A PICTURE OF YOU FROM 2021 LYING IN THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE CHAMBER, AS DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS WERE TRYING TO SMASH 235 00:13:06,252 --> 00:13:12,000 THEIR WAY IN. AND I'M CURIOUS, DID YOU IMAGINE IN THIS ELECTION THAT JANUARY 6th OR TRUMP'S FELONY 236 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,727 THEIR WAY IN. AND I'M CURIOUS, DID YOU IMAGINE IN THIS ELECTION THAT JANUARY 6th OR TRUMP'S FELONY 237 00:13:14,793 --> 00:13:18,000 CONVICTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFYING IN THE MINDS OF MOST VOTERS? >> DID I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE 238 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,500 CONVICTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFYING IN THE MINDS OF MOST VOTERS? >> DID I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE 239 00:13:21,567 --> 00:13:24,000 SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS, YES, AND I THINK IT DID. BUT I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE PIVOTAL THING 240 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,073 SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS, YES, AND I THINK IT DID. BUT I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE PIVOTAL THING 241 00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:30,000 THAT WOULD COST HIM THIS ELECTION. >> WHY NOT? >> BACK IN 2021, I WOULD HAVE 242 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,312 THAT WOULD COST HIM THIS ELECTION. >> WHY NOT? >> BACK IN 2021, I WOULD HAVE 243 00:13:33,379 --> 00:13:36,000 SAID, THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN. BUT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, I KIND OF ASSESS THAT IT JUST 244 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,120 SAID, THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN. BUT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, I KIND OF ASSESS THAT IT JUST 245 00:13:41,187 --> 00:13:42,000 WASN'T GOING TO BE A DISQUALIFIER. >> WHY WOULD DEMOCRATS NOT TURN OUT IN THE NUMBERS THEY HAD 246 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,225 WASN'T GOING TO BE A DISQUALIFIER. >> WHY WOULD DEMOCRATS NOT TURN OUT IN THE NUMBERS THEY HAD 247 00:13:46,292 --> 00:13:48,000 BEFORE? >> I DO THINK THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF ENTHUSIASM ABOUT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. 248 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,000 BEFORE? >> I DO THINK THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF ENTHUSIASM ABOUT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. 249 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:54,333 BEFORE? >> I DO THINK THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF ENTHUSIASM ABOUT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. 250 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,138 THAT PART I THINK A LOT OF US DIDN'T GAUGE. AND JUST THINKING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TURN OUT TO VOTE 251 00:13:59,205 --> 00:14:00,000 AGAINST DONALD TRUMP WAS A MISCALCULATION. >> MANY TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOLD US THEY CRINGE AT THE THINGS HE 252 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:06,000 AGAINST DONALD TRUMP WAS A MISCALCULATION. >> MANY TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOLD US THEY CRINGE AT THE THINGS HE 253 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,079 AGAINST DONALD TRUMP WAS A MISCALCULATION. >> MANY TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOLD US THEY CRINGE AT THE THINGS HE 254 00:14:07,146 --> 00:14:12,000 SAYS AND THE THINGS HE'S DONE. BUT THE ECONOMY, TO THEM, IS MORE URGENT. AND THERE'S SOMETHING MORE, A 255 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,486 SAYS AND THE THINGS HE'S DONE. BUT THE ECONOMY, TO THEM, IS MORE URGENT. AND THERE'S SOMETHING MORE, A 256 00:14:14,553 --> 00:14:18,000 CONNECTION, AN EMOTION, REALLY, THEY FIND HARD TO PUT INTO WORDS. >> DID YOU FEEL LIKE HE WAS 257 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,161 CONNECTION, AN EMOTION, REALLY, THEY FIND HARD TO PUT INTO WORDS. >> DID YOU FEEL LIKE HE WAS 258 00:14:22,228 --> 00:14:24,000 SOMEONE YOU KNEW? >> YES. >> DID YOU FEEL THAT HE KNEW YOU? 259 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,034 SOMEONE YOU KNEW? >> YES. >> DID YOU FEEL THAT HE KNEW YOU? 260 00:14:29,101 --> 00:14:30,000 >> I FEEL HE KNOWS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE WORKING CLASS, YES. >> THE WORKING CLASS OF THE 20th 261 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:36,000 >> I FEEL HE KNOWS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE WORKING CLASS, YES. >> THE WORKING CLASS OF THE 20th 262 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:36,542 >> I FEEL HE KNOWS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE WORKING CLASS, YES. >> THE WORKING CLASS OF THE 20th 263 00:14:36,609 --> 00:14:42,000 CENTURY BUILT BETHLEHEM INTO THE SECOND LARGEST STEEL MAKER IN THE WORLD. BUT TODAY, THE OLD MILLS ARE 264 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,119 CENTURY BUILT BETHLEHEM INTO THE SECOND LARGEST STEEL MAKER IN THE WORLD. BUT TODAY, THE OLD MILLS ARE 265 00:14:47,186 --> 00:14:48,000 SILENT. PENNSYLVANIA POLLSTER CHRIS BORICK TOLD US A NEW ECONOMY AND NEW POLITICS ARE ON THE 266 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,993 SILENT. PENNSYLVANIA POLLSTER CHRIS BORICK TOLD US A NEW ECONOMY AND NEW POLITICS ARE ON THE 267 00:14:54,059 --> 00:14:59,665 FOREFRONT OF CHANGE. >> IT WAS SUCH A DEMOCRATIC PLCE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. THAT DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOESN'T 268 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:00,000 EXIST. THOSE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS DON'T EXIST THE WAY THEY DID IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY. 269 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,770 EXIST. THOSE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS DON'T EXIST THE WAY THEY DID IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY. 270 00:15:04,837 --> 00:15:06,000 THEY HAVE TO REVISION WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. DOES THAT CENTER ON CANDIDATES? DOES IT CENTER ON ISSUES? 271 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,776 THEY HAVE TO REVISION WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. DOES THAT CENTER ON CANDIDATES? DOES IT CENTER ON ISSUES? 272 00:15:10,843 --> 00:15:12,000 THE ANSWER IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ]. >>> PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HAS 273 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:18,000 THE ANSWER IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ]. >>> PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HAS 274 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,000 THE ANSWER IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ]. >>> PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HAS 275 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:24,657 THE ANSWER IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ]. >>> PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HAS 276 00:15:24,723 --> 00:15:30,000 VOWED TO SOLVE RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE WITH A SIMPLE NEGOTIATION. TONIGHT, HOLLY WILLIAMS REPORTS 277 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,096 VOWED TO SOLVE RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE WITH A SIMPLE NEGOTIATION. TONIGHT, HOLLY WILLIAMS REPORTS 278 00:15:31,163 --> 00:15:36,000 FROM UKRAINE AND INTRODUCES US TO A MAN WHO KNOWS BETTER THAN MOST HOW COMPLICATED THAT WAR IS. 279 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,971 FROM UKRAINE AND INTRODUCES US TO A MAN WHO KNOWS BETTER THAN MOST HOW COMPLICATED THAT WAR IS. 280 00:15:39,038 --> 00:15:42,000 >> FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES, ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS BEEN A WAR REPORTER, TRAVELING TO CONFLICT ZONES AROUND THE GLOBE. 281 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,279 >> FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES, ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS BEEN A WAR REPORTER, TRAVELING TO CONFLICT ZONES AROUND THE GLOBE. 282 00:15:47,346 --> 00:15:48,000 TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WAR ARRIVED IN HIS COUNTRY, UKRAINE. WHEN VLADIMIR PUTIN SENT RUSSIAN TANKS AND MISSILES ACROSS 283 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:54,000 TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WAR ARRIVED IN HIS COUNTRY, UKRAINE. WHEN VLADIMIR PUTIN SENT RUSSIAN TANKS AND MISSILES ACROSS 284 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,854 TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WAR ARRIVED IN HIS COUNTRY, UKRAINE. WHEN VLADIMIR PUTIN SENT RUSSIAN TANKS AND MISSILES ACROSS 285 00:15:55,921 --> 00:16:00,000 UKRAINE'S BORDERS, TSAPLIENKO BECAME A TRUSTED SOURCE OF INFORMATION FROM THE FRONT LINE. HE'S AS FEARLESS A JOURNALIST AS 286 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:05,097 UKRAINE'S BORDERS, TSAPLIENKO BECAME A TRUSTED SOURCE OF INFORMATION FROM THE FRONT LINE. HE'S AS FEARLESS A JOURNALIST AS 287 00:16:05,164 --> 00:16:06,000 THEY COME. SOME OF UKRAINE'S MILITARY LEADERS TOLD US THEY'RE SURPRISED HE'S STILL ALIVE. 288 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,704 THEY COME. SOME OF UKRAINE'S MILITARY LEADERS TOLD US THEY'RE SURPRISED HE'S STILL ALIVE. 289 00:16:11,770 --> 00:16:12,000 TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE'S FIGHTING FOR UKRAINE'S SURVIVAL, USING HIS REPORTING AND THE TRUTH AS HIS WEAPONS. 290 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:18,000 TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE'S FIGHTING FOR UKRAINE'S SURVIVAL, USING HIS REPORTING AND THE TRUTH AS HIS WEAPONS. 291 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:24,000 TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE'S FIGHTING FOR UKRAINE'S SURVIVAL, USING HIS REPORTING AND THE TRUTH AS HIS WEAPONS. 292 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,584 TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE'S FIGHTING FOR UKRAINE'S SURVIVAL, USING HIS REPORTING AND THE TRUTH AS HIS WEAPONS. 293 00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:30,000 ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO IS BATTLE SCARRED AND LIMPING, YET HE REFUSES TO STOP. HE FOUND UKRAINE'S 80th BRIGADE 294 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:36,000 ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO IS BATTLE SCARRED AND LIMPING, YET HE REFUSES TO STOP. HE FOUND UKRAINE'S 80th BRIGADE 295 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,566 ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO IS BATTLE SCARRED AND LIMPING, YET HE REFUSES TO STOP. HE FOUND UKRAINE'S 80th BRIGADE 296 00:16:40,632 --> 00:16:42,000 WITH BIRCH FORESTS. 19 TONS OF ARMOR PLATED STEEL TOPPED WITH A 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN. 297 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:48,000 WITH BIRCH FORESTS. 19 TONS OF ARMOR PLATED STEEL TOPPED WITH A 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN. 298 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,000 WITH BIRCH FORESTS. 19 TONS OF ARMOR PLATED STEEL TOPPED WITH A 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN. 299 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,783 WITH BIRCH FORESTS. 19 TONS OF ARMOR PLATED STEEL TOPPED WITH A 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN. 300 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:00,000 HE REPORTED THAT STRYKERS ARE HELPING STORM POSITIONS. ONE SOLDIER SAID RUSSIAN LAND MINES 15 YARDS AWAY FEEL LIKE A 301 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:06,000 HE REPORTED THAT STRYKERS ARE HELPING STORM POSITIONS. ONE SOLDIER SAID RUSSIAN LAND MINES 15 YARDS AWAY FEEL LIKE A 302 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,059 HE REPORTED THAT STRYKERS ARE HELPING STORM POSITIONS. ONE SOLDIER SAID RUSSIAN LAND MINES 15 YARDS AWAY FEEL LIKE A 303 00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:12,000 SLIGHT RUSTLE AGAINST THE ARMOR. >> BEING A WITNESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THAT'S FOR ME. 304 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:12,631 SLIGHT RUSTLE AGAINST THE ARMOR. >> BEING A WITNESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THAT'S FOR ME. 305 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:18,000 >> YOU LIKE THE FRONT ROW SEAT OF HISTORY? >> EVEN MORE I LIKE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORY AND TO SHARE 306 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,738 >> YOU LIKE THE FRONT ROW SEAT OF HISTORY? >> EVEN MORE I LIKE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORY AND TO SHARE 307 00:17:19,805 --> 00:17:24,000 THIS WITH THE AUDIENCE. SO, THEY'RE ALSO WITNESSES OF WHAT IS GOING ON. THIS IS IMPORTANT. 308 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,714 THIS WITH THE AUDIENCE. SO, THEY'RE ALSO WITNESSES OF WHAT IS GOING ON. THIS IS IMPORTANT. 309 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:30,000 MY CHANNEL, THEY ALWAYS WANT ME TO BE -- AS AN ANCHOR. I ALWAYS REFUSE TO BE LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'M A FIELD JOURNALIST. 310 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:36,000 MY CHANNEL, THEY ALWAYS WANT ME TO BE -- AS AN ANCHOR. I ALWAYS REFUSE TO BE LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'M A FIELD JOURNALIST. 311 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,626 MY CHANNEL, THEY ALWAYS WANT ME TO BE -- AS AN ANCHOR. I ALWAYS REFUSE TO BE LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'M A FIELD JOURNALIST. 312 00:17:40,692 --> 00:17:42,000 I FEEL MYSELF IN THE STUDIO LIKE A DOLL IN A BOX. >> TSAPLIENKO'S GRAPHIC ACCOUNTS FOR THE FIELD FOR THE PRIVATELY 313 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:48,000 I FEEL MYSELF IN THE STUDIO LIKE A DOLL IN A BOX. >> TSAPLIENKO'S GRAPHIC ACCOUNTS FOR THE FIELD FOR THE PRIVATELY 314 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,637 I FEEL MYSELF IN THE STUDIO LIKE A DOLL IN A BOX. >> TSAPLIENKO'S GRAPHIC ACCOUNTS FOR THE FIELD FOR THE PRIVATELY 315 00:17:51,703 --> 00:17:54,000 OWNED CHANNEL, ONE PLUS ONE, HAVE SHAPED HOW MANY UKRAINIANS SEE THE WORLD. HE'S TOLD STORIES OF HEROISM, 316 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,945 OWNED CHANNEL, ONE PLUS ONE, HAVE SHAPED HOW MANY UKRAINIANS SEE THE WORLD. HE'S TOLD STORIES OF HEROISM, 317 00:18:00,012 --> 00:18:06,000 BUT ALSO TURNED A CRITICAL EYE ON HIS OWN COUNTRY, REVEALING HOW SOME UKRAINIANS PAID BRIBES TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO AVOID 318 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,019 BUT ALSO TURNED A CRITICAL EYE ON HIS OWN COUNTRY, REVEALING HOW SOME UKRAINIANS PAID BRIBES TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO AVOID 319 00:18:07,085 --> 00:18:11,356 THE DRAFT. >> FREEDOM OF SPEECH, VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S A CRUCIAL THING THAT HELPS 320 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:12,000 US TO WIN THIS WAR. >> MEDIA IS HELPING YOU WIN THE WAR. >> HELPS US TO WIN THIS WAR AND 321 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,000 US TO WIN THIS WAR. >> MEDIA IS HELPING YOU WIN THE WAR. >> HELPS US TO WIN THIS WAR AND 322 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,467 US TO WIN THIS WAR. >> MEDIA IS HELPING YOU WIN THE WAR. >> HELPS US TO WIN THIS WAR AND 323 00:18:21,533 --> 00:18:24,000 WILL HELP US TO WIN THIS WAR. BECAUSE WE FIGHT NOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT. WE FIGHT NOT FOR A PARTICULAR 324 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,073 WILL HELP US TO WIN THIS WAR. BECAUSE WE FIGHT NOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT. WE FIGHT NOT FOR A PARTICULAR 325 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:30,000 PERSON, LIKE RUSSIANS DO. THEY FIGHT FOR PUTIN. WE FIGHT FOR OURSELVES AND WE FIGHT FOR OUR IDENTITY. 326 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,512 PERSON, LIKE RUSSIANS DO. THEY FIGHT FOR PUTIN. WE FIGHT FOR OURSELVES AND WE FIGHT FOR OUR IDENTITY. 327 00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:36,000 WE FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND FOR VALUES BECAUSE WE WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE FREE. THAT'S IT. 328 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,518 WE FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND FOR VALUES BECAUSE WE WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE FREE. THAT'S IT. 329 00:18:39,585 --> 00:18:42,000 >> ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS SOME HISTORY WITH RUSSIA. HE GREW UP AS A CITIZEN OF THE USSR IN THE CITY OF KHARKIV, 330 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:48,000 >> ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS SOME HISTORY WITH RUSSIA. HE GREW UP AS A CITIZEN OF THE USSR IN THE CITY OF KHARKIV, 331 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,029 >> ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS SOME HISTORY WITH RUSSIA. HE GREW UP AS A CITIZEN OF THE USSR IN THE CITY OF KHARKIV, 332 00:18:51,096 --> 00:18:54,000 EVEN DOING NATIONAL SERVICE WITH THE SOVIET MILITARY IN THE LATE 1980s. BUT AT HOME HE WAS LISTENING TO 333 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,171 EVEN DOING NATIONAL SERVICE WITH THE SOVIET MILITARY IN THE LATE 1980s. BUT AT HOME HE WAS LISTENING TO 334 00:18:59,238 --> 00:19:00,000 AMERICAN ROCK MUSIC AND TOLD US HE WORSHIPPED AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. IN 1990, HE POSTED LEAFLETS WITH 335 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,777 AMERICAN ROCK MUSIC AND TOLD US HE WORSHIPPED AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. IN 1990, HE POSTED LEAFLETS WITH 336 00:19:05,844 --> 00:19:06,000 HIS FRIENDS CALLING FOR UKRAINIAN INDEPENDENCE FROM MOSCOW. >> IT WAS A KIND OF REBELLION 337 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,884 HIS FRIENDS CALLING FOR UKRAINIAN INDEPENDENCE FROM MOSCOW. >> IT WAS A KIND OF REBELLION 338 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:12,000 BECAUSE WE EXPECTED THAT KGB COULD COME TO US AND KNOCK TO THE DOOR. >> THAT MUST HAVE BEEN 339 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:18,000 BECAUSE WE EXPECTED THAT KGB COULD COME TO US AND KNOCK TO THE DOOR. >> THAT MUST HAVE BEEN 340 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,925 BECAUSE WE EXPECTED THAT KGB COULD COME TO US AND KNOCK TO THE DOOR. >> THAT MUST HAVE BEEN 341 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,127 DANGEROUS. >> YEAH. WE WERE WAITING FOR THE CONSEQUENCES. 342 00:19:22,194 --> 00:19:24,000 BUT FORTUNATELY, THERE WERE NO CONSEQUENCES AT ALL. >> INSTEAD, A YEAR LATER, THE SOVIET UNION COLLAPSED. 343 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:30,000 BUT FORTUNATELY, THERE WERE NO CONSEQUENCES AT ALL. >> INSTEAD, A YEAR LATER, THE SOVIET UNION COLLAPSED. 344 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,105 BUT FORTUNATELY, THERE WERE NO CONSEQUENCES AT ALL. >> INSTEAD, A YEAR LATER, THE SOVIET UNION COLLAPSED. 345 00:19:33,171 --> 00:19:36,000 TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE FELT HE'D FINALLY BEEN SET FREE. IN THE NEW INDEPENDENT DEMOCRATIC UKRAINE, TSAPLIENKO 346 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,000 TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE FELT HE'D FINALLY BEEN SET FREE. IN THE NEW INDEPENDENT DEMOCRATIC UKRAINE, TSAPLIENKO 347 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,517 TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE FELT HE'D FINALLY BEEN SET FREE. IN THE NEW INDEPENDENT DEMOCRATIC UKRAINE, TSAPLIENKO 348 00:19:45,584 --> 00:19:48,000 BECAME AN INTERNATIONAL WAR REPORTER, ONE OF UKRAINE'S FIRST. BEGINNING IN THE 1990s, HE 349 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,458 BECAME AN INTERNATIONAL WAR REPORTER, ONE OF UKRAINE'S FIRST. BEGINNING IN THE 1990s, HE 350 00:19:53,525 --> 00:19:54,000 BROADCAST FROM IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, GAZA, AND WEST AFRICA. HE TOLD US HE LEARNED HOW EASY 351 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,965 BROADCAST FROM IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, GAZA, AND WEST AFRICA. HE TOLD US HE LEARNED HOW EASY 352 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:06,000 WARS ARE TO START AND HOW DIFFICULT THEY ARE TO STOP. IN FEBRUARY OF 2022, WITH OVER 100,000 RUSSIAN TROOPS ALONG 353 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,809 WARS ARE TO START AND HOW DIFFICULT THEY ARE TO STOP. IN FEBRUARY OF 2022, WITH OVER 100,000 RUSSIAN TROOPS ALONG 354 00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:12,000 UKRAINE'S BORDER AND TEN DAYS BEFORE VLADIMIR PUTIN LAUNCHED HIS INVASION, WE INTERVIEWED TSAPLIENKO IN CENTRAL KYIV. 355 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:18,000 UKRAINE'S BORDER AND TEN DAYS BEFORE VLADIMIR PUTIN LAUNCHED HIS INVASION, WE INTERVIEWED TSAPLIENKO IN CENTRAL KYIV. 356 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,420 UKRAINE'S BORDER AND TEN DAYS BEFORE VLADIMIR PUTIN LAUNCHED HIS INVASION, WE INTERVIEWED TSAPLIENKO IN CENTRAL KYIV. 357 00:20:21,486 --> 00:20:24,000 HE EXPERIENCED RUSSIA'S EARLIER INVASION OF 2014. >> I TRAVELLED TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERY WEEK. 358 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:30,000 HE EXPERIENCED RUSSIA'S EARLIER INVASION OF 2014. >> I TRAVELLED TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERY WEEK. 359 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,162 HE EXPERIENCED RUSSIA'S EARLIER INVASION OF 2014. >> I TRAVELLED TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERY WEEK. 360 00:20:30,228 --> 00:20:36,000 AND THERE'S SOME FRIENDS OF MINE HERE. >> HE SHOWED US THE WALL OF REMEMBRANCE, A MEMORIAL TO THOSE 361 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,840 AND THERE'S SOME FRIENDS OF MINE HERE. >> HE SHOWED US THE WALL OF REMEMBRANCE, A MEMORIAL TO THOSE 362 00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:42,000 KILLED SINCE 2014. >> JUST DAYS BEFORE THE RUSSIAN INVASION, WE INTERVIEWED YOU AND YOU SAID UKRAINIANS HAVE ALREADY 363 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:48,000 KILLED SINCE 2014. >> JUST DAYS BEFORE THE RUSSIAN INVASION, WE INTERVIEWED YOU AND YOU SAID UKRAINIANS HAVE ALREADY 364 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,749 KILLED SINCE 2014. >> JUST DAYS BEFORE THE RUSSIAN INVASION, WE INTERVIEWED YOU AND YOU SAID UKRAINIANS HAVE ALREADY 365 00:20:50,816 --> 00:20:54,000 MADE THEIR CHOICE BETWEEN WAR AND DISHONOR. EVERY WINDOW IN THIS TOWN WILL SHOOT AT THE INVADERS. 366 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,823 MADE THEIR CHOICE BETWEEN WAR AND DISHONOR. EVERY WINDOW IN THIS TOWN WILL SHOOT AT THE INVADERS. 367 00:20:57,889 --> 00:21:00,000 AND ANDRIY, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE PROPHETIC. YOU WERE RIGHT. HOW DID YOU KNOW? 368 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,000 AND ANDRIY, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE PROPHETIC. YOU WERE RIGHT. HOW DID YOU KNOW? 369 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:12,000 AND ANDRIY, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE PROPHETIC. YOU WERE RIGHT. HOW DID YOU KNOW? 370 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,372 AND ANDRIY, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE PROPHETIC. YOU WERE RIGHT. HOW DID YOU KNOW? 371 00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:18,000 >> I -- SORRY FOR MY EMOTION. I KNOW MY PEOPLE, AND THEY ARE LIKE THIS. >> ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS COME 372 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:24,000 >> I -- SORRY FOR MY EMOTION. I KNOW MY PEOPLE, AND THEY ARE LIKE THIS. >> ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS COME 373 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,621 >> I -- SORRY FOR MY EMOTION. I KNOW MY PEOPLE, AND THEY ARE LIKE THIS. >> ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO HAS COME 374 00:21:29,688 --> 00:21:30,000 CLOSE TO LOSING HIS LIFE. OUTSIDE THE TOWN OF CHERNIHIV, CIVILIANS WERE FLEEING THROUGH A NARROW CORRIDOR. 375 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,000 CLOSE TO LOSING HIS LIFE. OUTSIDE THE TOWN OF CHERNIHIV, CIVILIANS WERE FLEEING THROUGH A NARROW CORRIDOR. 376 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,833 CLOSE TO LOSING HIS LIFE. OUTSIDE THE TOWN OF CHERNIHIV, CIVILIANS WERE FLEEING THROUGH A NARROW CORRIDOR. 377 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:42,000 THE RUSSIANS BEGAN SHELLING. AND TSAPLIENKO TOOK A SHRAPNEL WOUND TO HIS LEG. >> YOU KNOW, I REPORT FROM A LOT 378 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,000 THE RUSSIANS BEGAN SHELLING. AND TSAPLIENKO TOOK A SHRAPNEL WOUND TO HIS LEG. >> YOU KNOW, I REPORT FROM A LOT 379 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,741 THE RUSSIANS BEGAN SHELLING. AND TSAPLIENKO TOOK A SHRAPNEL WOUND TO HIS LEG. >> YOU KNOW, I REPORT FROM A LOT 380 00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:54,000 OF WAR ZONES, BUT I DON'T REALLY TAKE THE SAME KIND OF RISKS THAT YOU TAKE. WHY DO YOU TAKE SUCH HUGE RISKS? 381 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:00,000 OF WAR ZONES, BUT I DON'T REALLY TAKE THE SAME KIND OF RISKS THAT YOU TAKE. WHY DO YOU TAKE SUCH HUGE RISKS? 382 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,218 OF WAR ZONES, BUT I DON'T REALLY TAKE THE SAME KIND OF RISKS THAT YOU TAKE. WHY DO YOU TAKE SUCH HUGE RISKS? 383 00:22:00,285 --> 00:22:06,000 >> WE ARE SITTING IN THE STUDIO, DO I THINK WE ARE SAFE NOW? NO. THERE IS NO SAFE PLACE IN 384 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,160 >> WE ARE SITTING IN THE STUDIO, DO I THINK WE ARE SAFE NOW? NO. THERE IS NO SAFE PLACE IN 385 00:22:08,226 --> 00:22:12,000 UKRAINE. WE ARE ON THE THREAT OF RUSSIAN MISSILE ATTACK. YOU KNOW, STOP THIS RECORDING, 386 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,900 UKRAINE. WE ARE ON THE THREAT OF RUSSIAN MISSILE ATTACK. YOU KNOW, STOP THIS RECORDING, 387 00:22:14,966 --> 00:22:18,000 SOME OUR LIVES, STOP YOUR PIECE, STOP EVERYTHING. IT'S POSSIBLE. >> HELLO. 388 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,140 SOME OUR LIVES, STOP YOUR PIECE, STOP EVERYTHING. IT'S POSSIBLE. >> HELLO. 389 00:22:22,207 --> 00:22:24,000 >> TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE SLEEPS AROUND FOUR HOURS A NIGHT AND HASN'T TAKEN A DAY OFF SINCE THE INVASION. 390 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,513 >> TSAPLIENKO TOLD US HE SLEEPS AROUND FOUR HOURS A NIGHT AND HASN'T TAKEN A DAY OFF SINCE THE INVASION. 391 00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:30,000 HIS CONTACTS INSIDE UKRAINE'S ARMED FORCES ARE MORE THAN JUST SOURCES. GENERAL, A DECORATED WAR HERO, 392 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,000 HIS CONTACTS INSIDE UKRAINE'S ARMED FORCES ARE MORE THAN JUST SOURCES. GENERAL, A DECORATED WAR HERO, 393 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:42,000 HIS CONTACTS INSIDE UKRAINE'S ARMED FORCES ARE MORE THAN JUST SOURCES. GENERAL, A DECORATED WAR HERO, 394 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,730 HIS CONTACTS INSIDE UKRAINE'S ARMED FORCES ARE MORE THAN JUST SOURCES. GENERAL, A DECORATED WAR HERO, 395 00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:48,000 AND ONE OF TSAPLIENKO'S CLOSEST FRIENDS. THE AUDIENCE HE REACHES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF 396 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,000 AND ONE OF TSAPLIENKO'S CLOSEST FRIENDS. THE AUDIENCE HE REACHES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF 397 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,539 AND ONE OF TSAPLIENKO'S CLOSEST FRIENDS. THE AUDIENCE HE REACHES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF 398 00:22:54,606 --> 00:22:59,511 PEOPLE, HE TOLD US. HE IS REALLY RESPECTED BOTH ON THE FRONT LINE AND UKRAINIAN SOCIETY. 399 00:22:59,578 --> 00:23:00,000 >> OIS, YOU'RE FIGHTING A WAR ON THE GROUND WHILE ANDRIY IS FIGHTING AN INFORMATION WAR, BY REPORTING THE TRUTH. 400 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:06,000 >> OIS, YOU'RE FIGHTING A WAR ON THE GROUND WHILE ANDRIY IS FIGHTING AN INFORMATION WAR, BY REPORTING THE TRUTH. 401 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,486 >> OIS, YOU'RE FIGHTING A WAR ON THE GROUND WHILE ANDRIY IS FIGHTING AN INFORMATION WAR, BY REPORTING THE TRUTH. 402 00:23:07,552 --> 00:23:12,000 IS THAT RIGHT? >> OF COURSE. >> THE TRUTH, ACCORDING TO TSAPLIENKO, IS THAT UKRAINE IS 403 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,225 IS THAT RIGHT? >> OF COURSE. >> THE TRUTH, ACCORDING TO TSAPLIENKO, IS THAT UKRAINE IS 404 00:23:13,291 --> 00:23:18,000 DOING BATTLE AGAINST EVIL. >> SO, I RAISE MYSELF AROUND -- FOR UKRAINE AND MILITARY. IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. 405 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,201 DOING BATTLE AGAINST EVIL. >> SO, I RAISE MYSELF AROUND -- FOR UKRAINE AND MILITARY. IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. 406 00:23:23,268 --> 00:23:24,000 BUT I THINK IT HELPS. >> YOU'RE NOT AN UNBIASED OBSERVER OF THIS WAR. YOU'RE ON ONE SIDE OF IT. 407 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:30,000 BUT I THINK IT HELPS. >> YOU'RE NOT AN UNBIASED OBSERVER OF THIS WAR. YOU'RE ON ONE SIDE OF IT. 408 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,677 BUT I THINK IT HELPS. >> YOU'RE NOT AN UNBIASED OBSERVER OF THIS WAR. YOU'RE ON ONE SIDE OF IT. 409 00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:36,000 >> I AM NOT -- I THINK EVERY UKRAINIAN AT LEAST TOOK HIS SIDE IN THIS WAR. WE KNOW THAT RUSSIANS TREAT US, 410 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:42,000 >> I AM NOT -- I THINK EVERY UKRAINIAN AT LEAST TOOK HIS SIDE IN THIS WAR. WE KNOW THAT RUSSIANS TREAT US, 411 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,689 >> I AM NOT -- I THINK EVERY UKRAINIAN AT LEAST TOOK HIS SIDE IN THIS WAR. WE KNOW THAT RUSSIANS TREAT US, 412 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:48,000 INFORMATION SOLDIERS OF THIS WAR. AND WE KNOW THAT WE WILL BE KILLED IF WE'RE CAPTURED BY 413 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,529 INFORMATION SOLDIERS OF THIS WAR. AND WE KNOW THAT WE WILL BE KILLED IF WE'RE CAPTURED BY 414 00:23:50,595 --> 00:23:54,000 RUSSIANS. SO, THAT'S WHY WE CHOOSE ONE SIDE. NORMALLY BEFORE THIS WAR, YOU 415 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,934 RUSSIANS. SO, THAT'S WHY WE CHOOSE ONE SIDE. NORMALLY BEFORE THIS WAR, YOU 416 00:23:56,001 --> 00:24:00,000 HAVE TO GIVE POINTS TO THE UNIVERSE TO HELP THEM DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IN THIS WAR. 417 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,000 HAVE TO GIVE POINTS TO THE UNIVERSE TO HELP THEM DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IN THIS WAR. 418 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,380 HAVE TO GIVE POINTS TO THE UNIVERSE TO HELP THEM DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IN THIS WAR. 419 00:24:08,446 --> 00:24:12,000 WE STILL HAVE CORRUPTION PROBLEMS. THAT'S TRUE. WE STILL HAVE PROBLEMS AND BAD 420 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,652 WE STILL HAVE CORRUPTION PROBLEMS. THAT'S TRUE. WE STILL HAVE PROBLEMS AND BAD 421 00:24:13,718 --> 00:24:17,522 MANAGEMENT. THAT'S TRUE. BUT WE ARE ON THE GOOD SIDE OF HISTORY. 422 00:24:17,589 --> 00:24:18,000 THAT'S IT. WE PROTECT VALUES. >> THIS WAR IS PERSONAL. AND TSAPLIENKO MAKES NO EFFORT 423 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:24,000 THAT'S IT. WE PROTECT VALUES. >> THIS WAR IS PERSONAL. AND TSAPLIENKO MAKES NO EFFORT 424 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,162 THAT'S IT. WE PROTECT VALUES. >> THIS WAR IS PERSONAL. AND TSAPLIENKO MAKES NO EFFORT 425 00:24:24,229 --> 00:24:30,000 TO DENY IT. IN THE CITY WHERE HE WAS BORN, KHARKIV, RESIDENTS ARE UNDER NEAR DAILY BOMBARDMENT BY 426 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,206 TO DENY IT. IN THE CITY WHERE HE WAS BORN, KHARKIV, RESIDENTS ARE UNDER NEAR DAILY BOMBARDMENT BY 427 00:24:34,272 --> 00:24:36,000 RUSSIAN MISSILES, DRONES, AND GLIDE BOMBS. MORE THAN A QUARTER OF KHARKIV'S RESIDENTS HAVE FLED, BUT FOR 428 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:42,000 RUSSIAN MISSILES, DRONES, AND GLIDE BOMBS. MORE THAN A QUARTER OF KHARKIV'S RESIDENTS HAVE FLED, BUT FOR 429 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,247 RUSSIAN MISSILES, DRONES, AND GLIDE BOMBS. MORE THAN A QUARTER OF KHARKIV'S RESIDENTS HAVE FLED, BUT FOR 430 00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:48,000 THOSE WHO STAYED, CIVIC PRIDE IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. IN FREEDOM SQUARE IN THE CENTER OF KHARKIV, THE FOUNTAINS ARE 431 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,488 THOSE WHO STAYED, CIVIC PRIDE IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. IN FREEDOM SQUARE IN THE CENTER OF KHARKIV, THE FOUNTAINS ARE 432 00:24:50,555 --> 00:24:54,000 STILL WORKING. DESPITE AIR RAID ALARMS LIKE THIS ONE THAT SENT US SCRAMBLING FOR COVER. 433 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,163 STILL WORKING. DESPITE AIR RAID ALARMS LIKE THIS ONE THAT SENT US SCRAMBLING FOR COVER. 434 00:24:58,230 --> 00:25:00,000 NOTHING LANDED THAT DAY, BUT JUST OVER THREE WEEKS LATER, THE BUILDING WHERE WE TOOK SHELTER WAS SHATTERED BY A RUSSIAN GLIDE 435 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,000 NOTHING LANDED THAT DAY, BUT JUST OVER THREE WEEKS LATER, THE BUILDING WHERE WE TOOK SHELTER WAS SHATTERED BY A RUSSIAN GLIDE 436 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,109 NOTHING LANDED THAT DAY, BUT JUST OVER THREE WEEKS LATER, THE BUILDING WHERE WE TOOK SHELTER WAS SHATTERED BY A RUSSIAN GLIDE 437 00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:12,000 BOMB. >> I'M JUST GOING TO BRING TO MY MOTHER SOMETHING. >> OKAY. 438 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,213 BOMB. >> I'M JUST GOING TO BRING TO MY MOTHER SOMETHING. >> OKAY. 439 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,000 >> ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF A TOWN THAT'S FREQUENTLY BOMBED, TAP TSAPLIENKO TOOK US TO MEET HIS MOTHER, VALENTINA. 440 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:24,000 >> ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF A TOWN THAT'S FREQUENTLY BOMBED, TAP TSAPLIENKO TOOK US TO MEET HIS MOTHER, VALENTINA. 441 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,358 >> ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF A TOWN THAT'S FREQUENTLY BOMBED, TAP TSAPLIENKO TOOK US TO MEET HIS MOTHER, VALENTINA. 442 00:25:26,424 --> 00:25:30,000 SHE REFUSES TO EVACUATE. >> WHAT WILL YOU DO IF THE RUSSIANS COME HERE? [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL 443 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,297 SHE REFUSES TO EVACUATE. >> WHAT WILL YOU DO IF THE RUSSIANS COME HERE? [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL 444 00:25:32,364 --> 00:25:36,000 LANGUAGE ] >> SHE SAYS THAT RUSSIANS WILL NEVER COME HERE, NEVER. WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, NEVER. 445 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:42,000 LANGUAGE ] >> SHE SAYS THAT RUSSIANS WILL NEVER COME HERE, NEVER. WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, NEVER. 446 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:48,000 LANGUAGE ] >> SHE SAYS THAT RUSSIANS WILL NEVER COME HERE, NEVER. WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, NEVER. 447 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:54,000 LANGUAGE ] >> SHE SAYS THAT RUSSIANS WILL NEVER COME HERE, NEVER. WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, NEVER. 448 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:54,653 LANGUAGE ] >> SHE SAYS THAT RUSSIANS WILL NEVER COME HERE, NEVER. WE WILL NOT LET THEM IN, NEVER. 449 00:25:54,719 --> 00:26:00,000 MY MOM. >> LIKE AROUND A THIRD OF UKRAINIANS, TSAPLIENKO AND HIS MOTHER SPEAK RUSSIAN AS THEIR 450 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,593 MY MOM. >> LIKE AROUND A THIRD OF UKRAINIANS, TSAPLIENKO AND HIS MOTHER SPEAK RUSSIAN AS THEIR 451 00:26:01,660 --> 00:26:06,000 FIRST LANGUAGE. KHARKIV IS A MAJORITY RUSSIAN-SPEAKING CITY. >> VLADIMIR PUTIN SAYS THAT THE 452 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,602 FIRST LANGUAGE. KHARKIV IS A MAJORITY RUSSIAN-SPEAKING CITY. >> VLADIMIR PUTIN SAYS THAT THE 453 00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:12,000 UKRAINIAN NATION DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST. HE SAYS THAT UKRAINIANS ARE REALLY RUSSIANS. 454 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,572 UKRAINIAN NATION DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST. HE SAYS THAT UKRAINIANS ARE REALLY RUSSIANS. 455 00:26:14,639 --> 00:26:18,000 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'RE REALLY RUSSIAN AND YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED? [ LAUGHTER ] 456 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:24,000 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'RE REALLY RUSSIAN AND YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED? [ LAUGHTER ] 457 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,016 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'RE REALLY RUSSIAN AND YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED? [ LAUGHTER ] 458 00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:30,000 >> I TOTALLY LOST MY ANSWER. HOW CAN YOU BRAINWASH IDENTIFYING YOURSELF. NOBODY CAN FORCE YOU TO BE 459 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,327 >> I TOTALLY LOST MY ANSWER. HOW CAN YOU BRAINWASH IDENTIFYING YOURSELF. NOBODY CAN FORCE YOU TO BE 460 00:26:35,393 --> 00:26:36,000 IDENTIFIED AS ANYBODY. >> VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID THAT THIS WAR IS TO DEFEND AND PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE YOU, 461 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:42,000 IDENTIFIED AS ANYBODY. >> VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID THAT THIS WAR IS TO DEFEND AND PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE YOU, 462 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,301 IDENTIFIED AS ANYBODY. >> VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID THAT THIS WAR IS TO DEFEND AND PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE YOU, 463 00:26:43,368 --> 00:26:48,000 RUSSIAN-SPEAKING UKRAINIANS. >> PROTECT FROM -- FROM WHAT? THIS IS STANDARD PROPAGANDA CLICHÉ. 464 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,044 RUSSIAN-SPEAKING UKRAINIANS. >> PROTECT FROM -- FROM WHAT? THIS IS STANDARD PROPAGANDA CLICHÉ. 465 00:26:53,111 --> 00:26:54,000 THEY WANT TO KILL US. THEY DESTROY RUSSIANS IN REGIONS OF THIS COUNTRY. THEY TURN THEM INTO A DESERT OF 466 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,000 THEY WANT TO KILL US. THEY DESTROY RUSSIANS IN REGIONS OF THIS COUNTRY. THEY TURN THEM INTO A DESERT OF 467 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,952 THEY WANT TO KILL US. THEY DESTROY RUSSIANS IN REGIONS OF THIS COUNTRY. THEY TURN THEM INTO A DESERT OF 468 00:27:01,019 --> 00:27:06,000 DEBRIS AND REMAINS OF CONCRETE BUILDINGS SOAKED WITH BLOOD. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO. 469 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,761 DEBRIS AND REMAINS OF CONCRETE BUILDINGS SOAKED WITH BLOOD. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO. 470 00:27:09,828 --> 00:27:12,000 >> PUTIN'S BLOOD-SOAKED INVASION HAS COST THE LIVES OF OVER 100,000 RUSSIAN SOLDIERS, ACCORDING TO U.S. OFFICIALS. 471 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,000 >> PUTIN'S BLOOD-SOAKED INVASION HAS COST THE LIVES OF OVER 100,000 RUSSIAN SOLDIERS, ACCORDING TO U.S. OFFICIALS. 472 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,473 >> PUTIN'S BLOOD-SOAKED INVASION HAS COST THE LIVES OF OVER 100,000 RUSSIAN SOLDIERS, ACCORDING TO U.S. OFFICIALS. 473 00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:24,000 UKRAINE'S MILITARY DEATH TOLL IS NOW THOUGHT TO BE MORE THAN 70,000. THE WALL OF REMEMBRANCE HAS 474 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,000 UKRAINE'S MILITARY DEATH TOLL IS NOW THOUGHT TO BE MORE THAN 70,000. THE WALL OF REMEMBRANCE HAS 475 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,784 UKRAINE'S MILITARY DEATH TOLL IS NOW THOUGHT TO BE MORE THAN 70,000. THE WALL OF REMEMBRANCE HAS 476 00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:36,000 EXTENDED MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE STREET. ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO TOLD US FREEDOMS UKRAINIANS RECENTLY 477 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,357 EXTENDED MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE STREET. ANDRIY TSAPLIENKO TOLD US FREEDOMS UKRAINIANS RECENTLY 478 00:27:39,424 --> 00:27:42,000 BEGAN TO ENJOY ARE WHAT THESE SOLDIERS DIED FOR AND THE REASON HE KEEPS GOING BACK TO THE FRONT LINE. 479 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,332 BEGAN TO ENJOY ARE WHAT THESE SOLDIERS DIED FOR AND THE REASON HE KEEPS GOING BACK TO THE FRONT LINE. 480 00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:48,000 >> WE REALIZE HOW -- IT IS. IT COULD BE BROKEN. IT COULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE WE LIVE NEXT TO RUSSIA. 481 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,000 >> WE REALIZE HOW -- IT IS. IT COULD BE BROKEN. IT COULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE WE LIVE NEXT TO RUSSIA. 482 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,239 >> WE REALIZE HOW -- IT IS. IT COULD BE BROKEN. IT COULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE WE LIVE NEXT TO RUSSIA. 483 00:27:54,305 --> 00:28:00,000 THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. THAT'S WHY I DO MY NEWS, DO MY REPORTS, I WRITE MY ARTICLES. >> SO, IT'S NOT A JOB FOR YOU. 484 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,113 THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. THAT'S WHY I DO MY NEWS, DO MY REPORTS, I WRITE MY ARTICLES. >> SO, IT'S NOT A JOB FOR YOU. 485 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:06,000 IT'S A CALLING. >> IT'S A CALLING. IT'S AN OBLIGATION. IT'S A DREAM JOB. 486 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,887 IT'S A CALLING. >> IT'S A CALLING. IT'S AN OBLIGATION. IT'S A DREAM JOB. 487 00:28:08,953 --> 00:28:12,000 IF YOU CAN HELP YOUR ARMY -- IF YOU CAN HELP YOUR PEOPLE TO SURVIVE, YOU CAN BE PROUD OF YOUR JOB. 488 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,559 IF YOU CAN HELP YOUR ARMY -- IF YOU CAN HELP YOUR PEOPLE TO SURVIVE, YOU CAN BE PROUD OF YOUR JOB. 489 00:28:14,626 --> 00:28:18,000 THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >> FROM FILMING BEHIND THE 490 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:24,000 THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >> FROM FILMING BEHIND THE 491 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,737 THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >> FROM FILMING BEHIND THE 492 00:28:25,804 --> 00:28:29,307 CAMERA TO FIGHTING ON THE FRONT LINE. >> YOU MUST BE WORRIED ABOUT HIM. 493 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:30,000 >> OH, A LOT, A >>> IN 1497, AN AMBITIOUS 22-YEAR-OLD HIKED UP TO THE QUARRIES ABOVE THE ITALIAN TOWN 494 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:36,000 >> OH, A LOT, A >>> IN 1497, AN AMBITIOUS 22-YEAR-OLD HIKED UP TO THE QUARRIES ABOVE THE ITALIAN TOWN 495 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:42,000 >> OH, A LOT, A >>> IN 1497, AN AMBITIOUS 22-YEAR-OLD HIKED UP TO THE QUARRIES ABOVE THE ITALIAN TOWN 496 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:48,000 >> OH, A LOT, A >>> IN 1497, AN AMBITIOUS 22-YEAR-OLD HIKED UP TO THE QUARRIES ABOVE THE ITALIAN TOWN 497 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,661 >> OH, A LOT, A >>> IN 1497, AN AMBITIOUS 22-YEAR-OLD HIKED UP TO THE QUARRIES ABOVE THE ITALIAN TOWN 498 00:28:49,727 --> 00:28:54,000 OF CARRARA LOOKING FOR A PERFECT BLOCK OF MARBLE. HE SEARCHED FOR MONTHS UNTIL HE FOUND IT. 499 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,935 OF CARRARA LOOKING FOR A PERFECT BLOCK OF MARBLE. HE SEARCHED FOR MONTHS UNTIL HE FOUND IT. 500 00:28:57,001 --> 00:29:00,000 HIS NAME WAS MICHELNGELO AND THE MARBLE BECAME THE IMMORTAL, "THE PEA YET "THE PIETA." 501 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:06,000 HIS NAME WAS MICHELNGELO AND THE MARBLE BECAME THE IMMORTAL, "THE PEA YET "THE PIETA." 502 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,878 HIS NAME WAS MICHELNGELO AND THE MARBLE BECAME THE IMMORTAL, "THE PEA YET "THE PIETA." 503 00:29:06,945 --> 00:29:12,000 NOW THERE'S AN UPSTART, AND LIKE HIS STAR PREDECESSORS, HE GOES BY A SINGLE NAME, ROBO. ROBO IS PART OF A FLEET OF 504 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,000 NOW THERE'S AN UPSTART, AND LIKE HIS STAR PREDECESSORS, HE GOES BY A SINGLE NAME, ROBO. ROBO IS PART OF A FLEET OF 505 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,291 NOW THERE'S AN UPSTART, AND LIKE HIS STAR PREDECESSORS, HE GOES BY A SINGLE NAME, ROBO. ROBO IS PART OF A FLEET OF 506 00:29:20,358 --> 00:29:24,000 ROBOTS CARVING WITH PINPOINT PRECISION AND IN RECORD TIME. NOT EVERYONE IS HAPPY. ONE ARTIST TOLD US, MICHELANGELO 507 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,999 ROBOTS CARVING WITH PINPOINT PRECISION AND IN RECORD TIME. NOT EVERYONE IS HAPPY. ONE ARTIST TOLD US, MICHELANGELO 508 00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:30,000 WOULD BE ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE. >> THE JAGGED RIDGES OF THE ALPS STRETCH FOR 30 MILES ACROSS NORTHERN TUSCANY. 509 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,000 WOULD BE ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE. >> THE JAGGED RIDGES OF THE ALPS STRETCH FOR 30 MILES ACROSS NORTHERN TUSCANY. 510 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,642 WOULD BE ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE. >> THE JAGGED RIDGES OF THE ALPS STRETCH FOR 30 MILES ACROSS NORTHERN TUSCANY. 511 00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:42,000 EVEN IN SUMMER, THEIR DAZZLING PEAKS SEEN COVERED IN SNOW. BUT GET UP CLOSE, IT'S NOT SNOW. IT'S MARBLE. 512 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,000 EVEN IN SUMMER, THEIR DAZZLING PEAKS SEEN COVERED IN SNOW. BUT GET UP CLOSE, IT'S NOT SNOW. IT'S MARBLE. 513 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,488 EVEN IN SUMMER, THEIR DAZZLING PEAKS SEEN COVERED IN SNOW. BUT GET UP CLOSE, IT'S NOT SNOW. IT'S MARBLE. 514 00:29:50,555 --> 00:29:54,000 PEEL AWAY THE -- WHOLE MOUNTAINS OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER MARBLE IN THE WORLD. >> IT'S REMARKABLE. 515 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,000 PEEL AWAY THE -- WHOLE MOUNTAINS OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER MARBLE IN THE WORLD. >> IT'S REMARKABLE. 516 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,433 PEEL AWAY THE -- WHOLE MOUNTAINS OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER MARBLE IN THE WORLD. >> IT'S REMARKABLE. 517 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,000 >> YES. WE ARE NOW APPROACHING THE RAVACCIONE VALLEY, THE VALLEY YOU CAN FIND THE STONES THAT 518 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,941 >> YES. WE ARE NOW APPROACHING THE RAVACCIONE VALLEY, THE VALLEY YOU CAN FIND THE STONES THAT 519 00:30:10,008 --> 00:30:12,000 MICHELANGELO USED IN THE PAST. >> WE WERE TRAVELING WITH THE CEO AND COFOUNDER OF ROBOTOR, A COMPANY THAT MAKES ROBOTS THAT 520 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,000 MICHELANGELO USED IN THE PAST. >> WE WERE TRAVELING WITH THE CEO AND COFOUNDER OF ROBOTOR, A COMPANY THAT MAKES ROBOTS THAT 521 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,320 MICHELANGELO USED IN THE PAST. >> WE WERE TRAVELING WITH THE CEO AND COFOUNDER OF ROBOTOR, A COMPANY THAT MAKES ROBOTS THAT 522 00:30:22,387 --> 00:30:24,000 SCULPT. >> SOME OF THIS IS IN THE STATUE OF DAVID. >> YES. 523 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,890 SCULPT. >> SOME OF THIS IS IN THE STATUE OF DAVID. >> YES. 524 00:30:25,957 --> 00:30:30,000 >> THIS WAS MICHELANGELO'S OLD STOMPING GROUNDS. WE PASSED QUARRY AFTER QUARRY. THERE ARE MORE THAN 600 ABOVE 525 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,000 >> THIS WAS MICHELANGELO'S OLD STOMPING GROUNDS. WE PASSED QUARRY AFTER QUARRY. THERE ARE MORE THAN 600 ABOVE 526 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,134 >> THIS WAS MICHELANGELO'S OLD STOMPING GROUNDS. WE PASSED QUARRY AFTER QUARRY. THERE ARE MORE THAN 600 ABOVE 527 00:30:36,201 --> 00:30:42,000 CARRARA. THE GLARE FROM THE GLEAMING ROCK WAS INTENSE, WHEN SUDDENLY WE HURLED INTO DARKNESS. 528 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,006 CARRARA. THE GLARE FROM THE GLEAMING ROCK WAS INTENSE, WHEN SUDDENLY WE HURLED INTO DARKNESS. 529 00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:48,000 >> LOOK AT THIS. >> A TUNNEL CUT STRAIGHT INTO THE HEART OF A MARBLE MOUNTAIN. WE DROVE UNTIL WE COULD GO NO 530 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,216 >> LOOK AT THIS. >> A TUNNEL CUT STRAIGHT INTO THE HEART OF A MARBLE MOUNTAIN. WE DROVE UNTIL WE COULD GO NO 531 00:30:51,282 --> 00:30:54,000 FURTHER. >> WE REACHED WHAT QUARRYMEN CALL THE CATHEDRAL. >> LET'S TRY NOT TO FALL. 532 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,522 FURTHER. >> WE REACHED WHAT QUARRYMEN CALL THE CATHEDRAL. >> LET'S TRY NOT TO FALL. 533 00:30:57,589 --> 00:31:00,000 >> THE TREK DOWN WAS SLIMY WITH MARBLE MUD. >> THE CATHEDRAL. >> THIS IS MIND BLOWING, WALLS 534 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,830 >> THE TREK DOWN WAS SLIMY WITH MARBLE MUD. >> THE CATHEDRAL. >> THIS IS MIND BLOWING, WALLS 535 00:31:05,897 --> 00:31:06,000 OF STONE TOWERED ABOVE US. HE TOLD US CARRARA'S MINERS HAD HOLLOWED OUT THE VAST CAVERN OVER 200 YEARS. 536 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,000 OF STONE TOWERED ABOVE US. HE TOLD US CARRARA'S MINERS HAD HOLLOWED OUT THE VAST CAVERN OVER 200 YEARS. 537 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,873 OF STONE TOWERED ABOVE US. HE TOLD US CARRARA'S MINERS HAD HOLLOWED OUT THE VAST CAVERN OVER 200 YEARS. 538 00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:18,000 WE HAD COME TO SEE ROBOTOR'S NEXT PROJECT, A MONUMENTAL BLOCK OF MARBLE, 200,000 POUNDS OF FLAWLESS CARRARA STONE. 539 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:24,000 WE HAD COME TO SEE ROBOTOR'S NEXT PROJECT, A MONUMENTAL BLOCK OF MARBLE, 200,000 POUNDS OF FLAWLESS CARRARA STONE. 540 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:30,000 WE HAD COME TO SEE ROBOTOR'S NEXT PROJECT, A MONUMENTAL BLOCK OF MARBLE, 200,000 POUNDS OF FLAWLESS CARRARA STONE. 541 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,688 WE HAD COME TO SEE ROBOTOR'S NEXT PROJECT, A MONUMENTAL BLOCK OF MARBLE, 200,000 POUNDS OF FLAWLESS CARRARA STONE. 542 00:31:30,755 --> 00:31:36,000 >> YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS OUT OF HERE? >> YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS BIG BOY OUT OF HERE. 543 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,294 >> YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS OUT OF HERE? >> YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS BIG BOY OUT OF HERE. 544 00:31:36,361 --> 00:31:42,000 >> HOW? >> A COUPLE OF CRANES AND A HUGE TRUCK TO LIFT IT. >> A FEAT NOT POSSIBLE IN 545 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,601 >> HOW? >> A COUPLE OF CRANES AND A HUGE TRUCK TO LIFT IT. >> A FEAT NOT POSSIBLE IN 546 00:31:43,668 --> 00:31:48,000 MICHELANGELO'S TIME. BUT THEN NEITHER WAS THIS. MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE BRIGADE OF ROBOTS TAKING OVER SCULPTURE. 547 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,177 MICHELANGELO'S TIME. BUT THEN NEITHER WAS THIS. MEET ROBO, ONE OF THE BRIGADE OF ROBOTS TAKING OVER SCULPTURE. 548 00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:54,000 WE WATCHED, AS LEONARDO'S DAVINCI'S HAT WAS CHISELLED. WASH JETS KEPT LEONARDO COOL. THIS WAS A WEEK'S WORK FOR ROBO 549 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,000 WE WATCHED, AS LEONARDO'S DAVINCI'S HAT WAS CHISELLED. WASH JETS KEPT LEONARDO COOL. THIS WAS A WEEK'S WORK FOR ROBO 550 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,000 WE WATCHED, AS LEONARDO'S DAVINCI'S HAT WAS CHISELLED. WASH JETS KEPT LEONARDO COOL. THIS WAS A WEEK'S WORK FOR ROBO 551 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,000 WE WATCHED, AS LEONARDO'S DAVINCI'S HAT WAS CHISELLED. WASH JETS KEPT LEONARDO COOL. THIS WAS A WEEK'S WORK FOR ROBO 552 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,731 WE WATCHED, AS LEONARDO'S DAVINCI'S HAT WAS CHISELLED. WASH JETS KEPT LEONARDO COOL. THIS WAS A WEEK'S WORK FOR ROBO 553 00:32:13,798 --> 00:32:18,000 WITH ANOTHER TWO TO GO. >> IF YOU WERE DOING THIS THE OLD FASHIONED WAY, HAMMER AND CHISEL, HOW LONG WOULD THIS 554 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,705 WITH ANOTHER TWO TO GO. >> IF YOU WERE DOING THIS THE OLD FASHIONED WAY, HAMMER AND CHISEL, HOW LONG WOULD THIS 555 00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:24,000 TAKE? >> TEN TIMES MORE AT LEAST. >> TEN TIMES LONGER? >> ABSOLUTELY. 556 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,546 TAKE? >> TEN TIMES MORE AT LEAST. >> TEN TIMES LONGER? >> ABSOLUTELY. 557 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:30,000 >> HE TOL MASSARI TOLD US HIS - TOOK ROBOTS OFF THE AUTOMOTIVE LINE AND GAVE THEM BIGGER BRAINS. 558 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,000 >> HE TOL MASSARI TOLD US HIS - TOOK ROBOTS OFF THE AUTOMOTIVE LINE AND GAVE THEM BIGGER BRAINS. 559 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:42,000 >> HE TOL MASSARI TOLD US HIS - TOOK ROBOTS OFF THE AUTOMOTIVE LINE AND GAVE THEM BIGGER BRAINS. 560 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,000 >> HE TOL MASSARI TOLD US HIS - TOOK ROBOTS OFF THE AUTOMOTIVE LINE AND GAVE THEM BIGGER BRAINS. 561 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,333 >> HE TOL MASSARI TOLD US HIS - TOOK ROBOTS OFF THE AUTOMOTIVE LINE AND GAVE THEM BIGGER BRAINS. 562 00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:54,000 THE CHIEF TECHNICIAN, ALSO A SCULPTOR, TURNS THE ARTIST'S MODEL INTO A 3-D FILE. THAT GENERATES A SET OF 563 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,941 THE CHIEF TECHNICIAN, ALSO A SCULPTOR, TURNS THE ARTIST'S MODEL INTO A 3-D FILE. THAT GENERATES A SET OF 564 00:32:57,008 --> 00:33:00,000 INSTRUCTIONS THAT TELL THE ROBOT EXACTLY WHERE TO CARVE, RIGHT DOWN TO THE LAST HALF INCH. >> HOW MUCH OF THE WORK IS DONE 565 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,848 INSTRUCTIONS THAT TELL THE ROBOT EXACTLY WHERE TO CARVE, RIGHT DOWN TO THE LAST HALF INCH. >> HOW MUCH OF THE WORK IS DONE 566 00:33:03,915 --> 00:33:06,000 BY THE ROBOT AND THE COMPUTER, AND HOW MUCH BY THE HUMAN ARTIST? >> WE ARE TALKING A VERY HIGH 567 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,155 BY THE ROBOT AND THE COMPUTER, AND HOW MUCH BY THE HUMAN ARTIST? >> WE ARE TALKING A VERY HIGH 568 00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:12,000 PERCENTAGE THAT CAN BE DONE BY THE MACHINE. >> LIKE, HOW MUCH? >> LIKE 99%. 569 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,026 PERCENTAGE THAT CAN BE DONE BY THE MACHINE. >> LIKE, HOW MUCH? >> LIKE 99%. 570 00:33:15,093 --> 00:33:18,000 >> 99%? >> YEAH. AND THE VERY FINAL 1%, THAT IS IMPORTANT. 571 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:24,000 >> 99%? >> YEAH. AND THE VERY FINAL 1%, THAT IS IMPORTANT. 572 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,839 >> 99%? >> YEAH. AND THE VERY FINAL 1%, THAT IS IMPORTANT. 573 00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:30,000 IT IS STILL DONE BY ARTISANS IN THE WORKSHOP. >> JUST 1%. BUT THAT 1% MASSARI TOLD US CAN 574 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,313 IT IS STILL DONE BY ARTISANS IN THE WORKSHOP. >> JUST 1%. BUT THAT 1% MASSARI TOLD US CAN 575 00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:36,000 TRANSLATE INTO MONTHS OF HUMAN WORK. STILL, WE WONDERED, WAS USING A ROBOT A BIT LIKE CHEATING. 576 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,252 TRANSLATE INTO MONTHS OF HUMAN WORK. STILL, WE WONDERED, WAS USING A ROBOT A BIT LIKE CHEATING. 577 00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:42,000 >> IF YOU HAVE A ROBOT DOING 99% OF THE WORK, WHERE'S THE ARTISTRY? >> IN THE IDEA. 578 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,000 >> IF YOU HAVE A ROBOT DOING 99% OF THE WORK, WHERE'S THE ARTISTRY? >> IN THE IDEA. 579 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,395 >> IF YOU HAVE A ROBOT DOING 99% OF THE WORK, WHERE'S THE ARTISTRY? >> IN THE IDEA. 580 00:33:50,461 --> 00:33:54,000 HOW YOU PROGRAM THE MACHINE IS A WORK OF ART. IT'S AN ARTISTIC APPROACH. YOU NEED TO HAVE A SCULPTURAL 581 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,634 HOW YOU PROGRAM THE MACHINE IS A WORK OF ART. IT'S AN ARTISTIC APPROACH. YOU NEED TO HAVE A SCULPTURAL 582 00:33:56,701 --> 00:34:00,000 BACKGROUND TO PROGRAM THE MACHINE IN THE WAY THAT YOU WANT. >> MASSARI SAYS MICHELANGELO, 583 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,175 BACKGROUND TO PROGRAM THE MACHINE IN THE WAY THAT YOU WANT. >> MASSARI SAYS MICHELANGELO, 584 00:34:04,242 --> 00:34:06,000 LIKE OTHER A-LYSTERS, EMPLOYED DOZENS OF APPRENTICES WHO WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES. NOW IT'S THE ROBOT'S TURN. 585 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,000 LIKE OTHER A-LYSTERS, EMPLOYED DOZENS OF APPRENTICES WHO WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES. NOW IT'S THE ROBOT'S TURN. 586 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,386 LIKE OTHER A-LYSTERS, EMPLOYED DOZENS OF APPRENTICES WHO WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES. NOW IT'S THE ROBOT'S TURN. 587 00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:18,000 BUT NOT EVERY ARTIST WANTS TO ADMIT THEY HAVE A ROBOT ON THE PAYROLL. THERE WAS WORK WE COULDN'T FILM 588 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,928 BUT NOT EVERY ARTIST WANTS TO ADMIT THEY HAVE A ROBOT ON THE PAYROLL. THERE WAS WORK WE COULDN'T FILM 589 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:24,000 COMMISSIONED BY BIG NAME ARTIST WHO IS INSIST THEIR IDENTITIES REMAIN SECRET. >> WHY IS THAT? 590 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,901 COMMISSIONED BY BIG NAME ARTIST WHO IS INSIST THEIR IDENTITIES REMAIN SECRET. >> WHY IS THAT? 591 00:34:29,967 --> 00:34:30,000 >> I THINK THEY'RE AFRAID. MOST OF THE PEOPLE, IF YOU ASK A DIRECT QUESTION, DO YOU LIKE THAT THIS ART WORK IS MADE BY A 592 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,000 >> I THINK THEY'RE AFRAID. MOST OF THE PEOPLE, IF YOU ASK A DIRECT QUESTION, DO YOU LIKE THAT THIS ART WORK IS MADE BY A 593 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,874 >> I THINK THEY'RE AFRAID. MOST OF THE PEOPLE, IF YOU ASK A DIRECT QUESTION, DO YOU LIKE THAT THIS ART WORK IS MADE BY A 594 00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:42,000 ROBOT, YES OR NO? NINE OUT OF TEN WILL SAY NO. >> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD THINK THE ROBOT'S DOING ALL THE 595 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:42,814 ROBOT, YES OR NO? NINE OUT OF TEN WILL SAY NO. >> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD THINK THE ROBOT'S DOING ALL THE 596 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,418 WORK. >> YES. BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR IDEA WEAKER OR STRONGER. 597 00:34:47,485 --> 00:34:48,000 IF YOUR IDEA IS BAD, YOU CAN MAKE IT WITH A ROBOT OR MAKE IT BY HAND. STILL, THE FINAL ARTWORK -- BUT 598 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,000 IF YOUR IDEA IS BAD, YOU CAN MAKE IT WITH A ROBOT OR MAKE IT BY HAND. STILL, THE FINAL ARTWORK -- BUT 599 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,759 IF YOUR IDEA IS BAD, YOU CAN MAKE IT WITH A ROBOT OR MAKE IT BY HAND. STILL, THE FINAL ARTWORK -- BUT 600 00:34:54,826 --> 00:35:00,000 IF YOUR IDEA IS GOOD, IF YOU'RE MAKING A ROBOT OR NOT, IT'S STILL GOOD. >> BUT TUSCAN ARTIST MICHAEL 601 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,000 IF YOUR IDEA IS GOOD, IF YOU'RE MAKING A ROBOT OR NOT, IT'S STILL GOOD. >> BUT TUSCAN ARTIST MICHAEL 602 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,504 IF YOUR IDEA IS GOOD, IF YOU'RE MAKING A ROBOT OR NOT, IT'S STILL GOOD. >> BUT TUSCAN ARTIST MICHAEL 603 00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:12,000 MONFRONI TOLD US ONLY THE HUMAN TOUCH CAN CUT THE DIVINE OUT OF A STONE. AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE THIS. 604 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,448 MONFRONI TOLD US ONLY THE HUMAN TOUCH CAN CUT THE DIVINE OUT OF A STONE. AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE THIS. 605 00:35:17,515 --> 00:35:18,000 MONFRONI TOLD US MICHELANGELO WOULD NEVER LOWER HIMSELF TO USING A ROBOT, AND NEITHER WOULD HE. 606 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,620 MONFRONI TOLD US MICHELANGELO WOULD NEVER LOWER HIMSELF TO USING A ROBOT, AND NEITHER WOULD HE. 607 00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:24,000 AND HE SAYS HE DESPAIRS SEEING THE MASTER'S WORK BEING COPIED BY ROBOTS. IT'S SACRILEGE, HE TOLD US. 608 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,000 AND HE SAYS HE DESPAIRS SEEING THE MASTER'S WORK BEING COPIED BY ROBOTS. IT'S SACRILEGE, HE TOLD US. 609 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,764 AND HE SAYS HE DESPAIRS SEEING THE MASTER'S WORK BEING COPIED BY ROBOTS. IT'S SACRILEGE, HE TOLD US. 610 00:35:33,831 --> 00:35:36,000 SCULPTING IS PASSION. ROBOTS ARE BUSINESS. MONFRONI FIRST PICKED UP THE CHISEL AT AGE 7, LEARNING THE 611 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,000 SCULPTING IS PASSION. ROBOTS ARE BUSINESS. MONFRONI FIRST PICKED UP THE CHISEL AT AGE 7, LEARNING THE 612 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,542 SCULPTING IS PASSION. ROBOTS ARE BUSINESS. MONFRONI FIRST PICKED UP THE CHISEL AT AGE 7, LEARNING THE 613 00:35:44,609 --> 00:35:48,000 TRADE FROM HIS FATHER. NOW THOSE SKILLS ARE ON THE BRINK OF EXTINCTION. >> YOU HAVE SAID, IF YOU USE A 614 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,451 TRADE FROM HIS FATHER. NOW THOSE SKILLS ARE ON THE BRINK OF EXTINCTION. >> YOU HAVE SAID, IF YOU USE A 615 00:35:53,518 --> 00:35:54,000 MACHINE, YOU BECOME A MACHINE. YES, BECAUSE YOUR MIND IS LIMITED BY THE TECHNOLOGY, HE TOLD US. 616 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,589 MACHINE, YOU BECOME A MACHINE. YES, BECAUSE YOUR MIND IS LIMITED BY THE TECHNOLOGY, HE TOLD US. 617 00:35:58,656 --> 00:36:00,000 IT'S ONLY A COMPUTER PROGRAM TRANSMITTED TO THE ROBOT. YOU LOSE THE SATISFACTION OF HAVING CREATED A PIECE OF ART BY 618 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,363 IT'S ONLY A COMPUTER PROGRAM TRANSMITTED TO THE ROBOT. YOU LOSE THE SATISFACTION OF HAVING CREATED A PIECE OF ART BY 619 00:36:05,429 --> 00:36:06,000 HAND. MONFRONI IS NOT ALONE. THE PRESTIGIOUS SCULPTORS GUILD IS DEAD SET AGAINST ROBOTS TOO. 620 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:12,000 HAND. MONFRONI IS NOT ALONE. THE PRESTIGIOUS SCULPTORS GUILD IS DEAD SET AGAINST ROBOTS TOO. 621 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,374 HAND. MONFRONI IS NOT ALONE. THE PRESTIGIOUS SCULPTORS GUILD IS DEAD SET AGAINST ROBOTS TOO. 622 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,000 THEY WARN THAT ITALY'S ARTISTIC HERITAGE IS AT RISK. >> THERE IS A CONSERVATIVE MINDSET THAT WANTS TO HOLD ON TO 623 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,848 THEY WARN THAT ITALY'S ARTISTIC HERITAGE IS AT RISK. >> THERE IS A CONSERVATIVE MINDSET THAT WANTS TO HOLD ON TO 624 00:36:23,915 --> 00:36:24,000 SOME IMAGINED ANCIENT WAY OF APPROACHING ART THAT'S MYSTIFYING TO ME. >> BARRY X BALL IS A 625 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,000 SOME IMAGINED ANCIENT WAY OF APPROACHING ART THAT'S MYSTIFYING TO ME. >> BARRY X BALL IS A 626 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,157 SOME IMAGINED ANCIENT WAY OF APPROACHING ART THAT'S MYSTIFYING TO ME. >> BARRY X BALL IS A 627 00:36:33,224 --> 00:36:36,000 CONTEMPORARY ARTIST BASED IN NEW YORK CITY. HE USES EYE-POPPING STONE TO MAKE WORKS THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN 628 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,230 CONTEMPORARY ARTIST BASED IN NEW YORK CITY. HE USES EYE-POPPING STONE TO MAKE WORKS THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN 629 00:36:39,297 --> 00:36:42,000 AT MAJOR MUSEUMS AROUND THE WORLD. HE'S A REGULAR SHOPPER HERE IN CARRARA. 630 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,435 AT MAJOR MUSEUMS AROUND THE WORLD. HE'S A REGULAR SHOPPER HERE IN CARRARA. 631 00:36:44,502 --> 00:36:48,000 THESE BLOCKS GO FOR ABOUT $300,000. AND ON A RECENT TRIP, HE BOUGHT A ROBOT TOO. 632 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,809 THESE BLOCKS GO FOR ABOUT $300,000. AND ON A RECENT TRIP, HE BOUGHT A ROBOT TOO. 633 00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:54,000 HE TOLD US HE'S COME UNDER FIRE FOR USING THEM. >> I HEAR A KIND OF FEAR THAT'S ALMOST LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO 634 00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:00,000 HE TOLD US HE'S COME UNDER FIRE FOR USING THEM. >> I HEAR A KIND OF FEAR THAT'S ALMOST LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO 635 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,551 HE TOLD US HE'S COME UNDER FIRE FOR USING THEM. >> I HEAR A KIND OF FEAR THAT'S ALMOST LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO 636 00:37:00,618 --> 00:37:06,000 TAKE OUR WAY OF MAKING SCULPTURE AWAY FROM US. NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO ADD TO IT. 637 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,358 TAKE OUR WAY OF MAKING SCULPTURE AWAY FROM US. NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO ADD TO IT. 638 00:37:07,425 --> 00:37:11,929 I. >>> I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THE CRITICISM. >> RIGHT. 639 00:37:11,996 --> 00:37:12,000 >> THIS IS CHEATING. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT? >> NUMBER ONE, THEY DON'T 640 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,000 >> THIS IS CHEATING. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT? >> NUMBER ONE, THEY DON'T 641 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,503 >> THIS IS CHEATING. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT? >> NUMBER ONE, THEY DON'T 642 00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:24,000 UNDERSTAND THE PROSE CESS. THEY THINK WE'RE PRESSING PRINT AND THE ROBOT IS PLOPPING OUT A SCULPTURE. 643 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,043 UNDERSTAND THE PROSE CESS. THEY THINK WE'RE PRESSING PRINT AND THE ROBOT IS PLOPPING OUT A SCULPTURE. 644 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:30,000 WE'RE VERY INVOLVED AS HUMANS WITH THE CREATIVE PROCESS. >> BALL TOLD US THE ROBOT MADE IMPOSSIBLE ART POSSIBLE. 645 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,119 WE'RE VERY INVOLVED AS HUMANS WITH THE CREATIVE PROCESS. >> BALL TOLD US THE ROBOT MADE IMPOSSIBLE ART POSSIBLE. 646 00:37:35,186 --> 00:37:36,000 TAKE MICHELANGELO'S PIETA, HE WAS STILL WORKING ON IT WHEN HE DIED. >> ZOOM IN ON THE FRONT OF THE 647 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,000 TAKE MICHELANGELO'S PIETA, HE WAS STILL WORKING ON IT WHEN HE DIED. >> ZOOM IN ON THE FRONT OF THE 648 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,927 TAKE MICHELANGELO'S PIETA, HE WAS STILL WORKING ON IT WHEN HE DIED. >> ZOOM IN ON THE FRONT OF THE 649 00:37:42,994 --> 00:37:48,000 SCULPTURE. >> USING A SCAN OF THE UNFINISHED WORK, BALL CREATED SOMETHING NEW. 650 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,366 SCULPTURE. >> USING A SCAN OF THE UNFINISHED WORK, BALL CREATED SOMETHING NEW. 651 00:37:48,432 --> 00:37:54,000 >> IF WE CAN GET THIS HEAD IN THERE -- >> INSTEAD OF THE ROUGHED OUT FACE OF JESUS, BALL GAVE THE SON 652 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,173 >> IF WE CAN GET THIS HEAD IN THERE -- >> INSTEAD OF THE ROUGHED OUT FACE OF JESUS, BALL GAVE THE SON 653 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,000 OF GOD THE FACE OF DYING MICHELANGELO. >> THIS IS STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. WE NEED TO TILT THAT BACK. 654 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,979 OF GOD THE FACE OF DYING MICHELANGELO. >> THIS IS STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. WE NEED TO TILT THAT BACK. 655 00:38:02,046 --> 00:38:06,000 >> HE BROADENED THE PEDESTAL AND MORE. >> I THINK HE'S LOOKING DOWN ON US GIVING HIS APPROVAL. 656 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,386 >> HE BROADENED THE PEDESTAL AND MORE. >> I THINK HE'S LOOKING DOWN ON US GIVING HIS APPROVAL. 657 00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:12,000 >> THEN THE ROBOT GOT TO WORK, PEELING AWAY THE STONE UNTIL BALL'S NEW PIETA EMERGED. BALL LEFT SOME OF THE MILLING 658 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:18,000 >> THEN THE ROBOT GOT TO WORK, PEELING AWAY THE STONE UNTIL BALL'S NEW PIETA EMERGED. BALL LEFT SOME OF THE MILLING 659 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,331 >> THEN THE ROBOT GOT TO WORK, PEELING AWAY THE STONE UNTIL BALL'S NEW PIETA EMERGED. BALL LEFT SOME OF THE MILLING 660 00:38:20,398 --> 00:38:24,000 MARKS VISIBLE. >> IT'S LIKE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE ROBOT WAS A PARTNER IN THIS. 661 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,869 MARKS VISIBLE. >> IT'S LIKE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE ROBOT WAS A PARTNER IN THIS. 662 00:38:24,935 --> 00:38:30,000 >> ABSOLUTELY. IT ALSO GIVES THIS INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL EFFECT, WHICH, TO ME, THE FIRST TIME I SAW A ROBOT 663 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,677 >> ABSOLUTELY. IT ALSO GIVES THIS INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL EFFECT, WHICH, TO ME, THE FIRST TIME I SAW A ROBOT 664 00:38:32,743 --> 00:38:36,000 SURFACE LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THE FLUTING IN EGYPTIAN DRAPERY. >> BALL TOLD US HE EMPLOYEES SIX -- FOR EVERY ROBOT. 665 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,000 SURFACE LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THE FLUTING IN EGYPTIAN DRAPERY. >> BALL TOLD US HE EMPLOYEES SIX -- FOR EVERY ROBOT. 666 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:48,000 SURFACE LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THE FLUTING IN EGYPTIAN DRAPERY. >> BALL TOLD US HE EMPLOYEES SIX -- FOR EVERY ROBOT. 667 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,494 SURFACE LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THE FLUTING IN EGYPTIAN DRAPERY. >> BALL TOLD US HE EMPLOYEES SIX -- FOR EVERY ROBOT. 668 00:38:50,561 --> 00:38:54,000 CARRARA'S MINERS PULL OUT A BILLION TONS OF MARBLE A YEAR FROM THE QUARRIES. MOST IS DESTINED FOR KITCHEN 669 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,000 CARRARA'S MINERS PULL OUT A BILLION TONS OF MARBLE A YEAR FROM THE QUARRIES. MOST IS DESTINED FOR KITCHEN 670 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,838 CARRARA'S MINERS PULL OUT A BILLION TONS OF MARBLE A YEAR FROM THE QUARRIES. MOST IS DESTINED FOR KITCHEN 671 00:39:00,905 --> 00:39:06,000 COUNTER TOPS. MODERN ARTISTS HAD BEGUN TO SHUN MARBLE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO DIFFICULT TO WORK AND TIME 672 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:12,000 COUNTER TOPS. MODERN ARTISTS HAD BEGUN TO SHUN MARBLE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO DIFFICULT TO WORK AND TIME 673 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,683 COUNTER TOPS. MODERN ARTISTS HAD BEGUN TO SHUN MARBLE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO DIFFICULT TO WORK AND TIME 674 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:18,000 CONSUMING. ROBOTOR ARGUES THE ROBOTS ARE DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING. >> TO BE HONEST, NOBODY LEEKS 675 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,456 CONSUMING. ROBOTOR ARGUES THE ROBOTS ARE DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING. >> TO BE HONEST, NOBODY LEEKS 676 00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:24,000 THE HARD ROUGH CUT. IT'S TOUGH WORK. RUNNING A SAW. EVERYONE IS REALLY EXCITED TO BE 677 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,562 THE HARD ROUGH CUT. IT'S TOUGH WORK. RUNNING A SAW. EVERYONE IS REALLY EXCITED TO BE 678 00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:30,000 ABLE TO LET PART OF THAT GO. >> VERMONT-BASED ARTIST RICHARD ERDMAN TOLD US HE ADDED A ROBOT TO HIS TEAM IN CARRARA ABOUT A 679 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,038 ABLE TO LET PART OF THAT GO. >> VERMONT-BASED ARTIST RICHARD ERDMAN TOLD US HE ADDED A ROBOT TO HIS TEAM IN CARRARA ABOUT A 680 00:39:34,105 --> 00:39:36,000 YEAR AGO. AFTER TWO BACK SURGERIES AND 40 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS, HE WAS READY FOR SOME MECHANICAL HELP. 681 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,878 YEAR AGO. AFTER TWO BACK SURGERIES AND 40 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS, HE WAS READY FOR SOME MECHANICAL HELP. 682 00:39:40,945 --> 00:39:42,000 >> THE ONLY THING ABOUT THE ROBO, WHICH IS ADVANTAGEOUS, IS THERE ARE MISTAKES. >> NO MISTAKES? 683 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,418 >> THE ONLY THING ABOUT THE ROBO, WHICH IS ADVANTAGEOUS, IS THERE ARE MISTAKES. >> NO MISTAKES? 684 00:39:47,485 --> 00:39:48,000 >> NO. WHEN YOU'RE HAND CUTTING WITH A DIAMOND SAW, 5-INCH BLADE, YOU'RE FOLLOWING YOUR MODEL WITH 685 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:54,000 >> NO. WHEN YOU'RE HAND CUTTING WITH A DIAMOND SAW, 5-INCH BLADE, YOU'RE FOLLOWING YOUR MODEL WITH 686 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,058 >> NO. WHEN YOU'RE HAND CUTTING WITH A DIAMOND SAW, 5-INCH BLADE, YOU'RE FOLLOWING YOUR MODEL WITH 687 00:39:54,125 --> 00:39:58,629 COMPASSES. YOU CAN GO TOO FAR IF THE CUTTER ISN'T SKILLFUL ENOUGH. AND THAT'S A MISTAKE. 688 00:39:58,696 --> 00:40:00,000 THE ROBO IS PERFECTLY ACCURATE. >> ERDMAN'S SCULPTURES ARE HELD BY MORE THAN 100 GALLERIES AND MUSEUMS WORLDWIDE. 689 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,000 THE ROBO IS PERFECTLY ACCURATE. >> ERDMAN'S SCULPTURES ARE HELD BY MORE THAN 100 GALLERIES AND MUSEUMS WORLDWIDE. 690 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,141 THE ROBO IS PERFECTLY ACCURATE. >> ERDMAN'S SCULPTURES ARE HELD BY MORE THAN 100 GALLERIES AND MUSEUMS WORLDWIDE. 691 00:40:10,207 --> 00:40:12,000 IN 1983, HE MADE HIS BREAKOUT PIECE, PASSAGE. >> YOU CAN ALMOST PUSH IT NOW WITH YOUR HAND IT'S SO CLOSE TO 692 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,000 IN 1983, HE MADE HIS BREAKOUT PIECE, PASSAGE. >> YOU CAN ALMOST PUSH IT NOW WITH YOUR HAND IT'S SO CLOSE TO 693 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,249 IN 1983, HE MADE HIS BREAKOUT PIECE, PASSAGE. >> YOU CAN ALMOST PUSH IT NOW WITH YOUR HAND IT'S SO CLOSE TO 694 00:40:18,315 --> 00:40:24,000 FALLING. >> A HUGE SCULPTURE CUT FROM A 700 TON BLOCK OF ITALIAN TRAVERTINE. 695 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,623 FALLING. >> A HUGE SCULPTURE CUT FROM A 700 TON BLOCK OF ITALIAN TRAVERTINE. 696 00:40:25,689 --> 00:40:30,000 WORKING WITH A DIAMOND SAW, A JACKHAMMER, AND A POLISHING TEAM, IT TOOK TWO YEARS. ROBO, ERDMAN SAYS, WOULD HAVE 697 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,632 WORKING WITH A DIAMOND SAW, A JACKHAMMER, AND A POLISHING TEAM, IT TOOK TWO YEARS. ROBO, ERDMAN SAYS, WOULD HAVE 698 00:40:34,698 --> 00:40:36,000 HELPED. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ROBOT IS YOUR COLLEAGUE. >> IT'S NOT JUST A MACHINE. 699 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,671 HELPED. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ROBOT IS YOUR COLLEAGUE. >> IT'S NOT JUST A MACHINE. 700 00:40:40,738 --> 00:40:42,000 WHEN THAT ARM IS MOVING AROUND, I'M REALLY PART OF IT. IT'S FOLLOWING YOUR DESIGN. IT'S PART OF YOU. 701 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,411 WHEN THAT ARM IS MOVING AROUND, I'M REALLY PART OF IT. IT'S FOLLOWING YOUR DESIGN. IT'S PART OF YOU. 702 00:40:47,478 --> 00:40:48,000 IT'S A MACHINE. THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. IT'S FRIENDLY. WE ALL LOVE IT. 703 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,816 IT'S A MACHINE. THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. IT'S FRIENDLY. WE ALL LOVE IT. 704 00:40:51,882 --> 00:40:54,000 THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. >> WERE YOU SKEPTICAL OF THE ROBOTS IN THE BEGINNING? >> YES, WE WERE. 705 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,521 THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. >> WERE YOU SKEPTICAL OF THE ROBOTS IN THE BEGINNING? >> YES, WE WERE. 706 00:40:57,588 --> 00:41:00,000 BUT ONE HAS TO EMBRACE IT. THE BUSINESS IS CHANGING SO FAST WITH THE ROBO THAT AN ARTIST THAT DOES NOT EMBRACE THE ROBO 707 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,462 BUT ONE HAS TO EMBRACE IT. THE BUSINESS IS CHANGING SO FAST WITH THE ROBO THAT AN ARTIST THAT DOES NOT EMBRACE THE ROBO 708 00:41:05,529 --> 00:41:06,000 IN THEIR WORK IS REALLY GOING TO LEAVE THAT ARTIST LEFT BEHIND. >> ERDMAN SAYS NOW HIS ROBO DOES ABOUT HALF THE WORK. 709 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,000 IN THEIR WORK IS REALLY GOING TO LEAVE THAT ARTIST LEFT BEHIND. >> ERDMAN SAYS NOW HIS ROBO DOES ABOUT HALF THE WORK. 710 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,439 IN THEIR WORK IS REALLY GOING TO LEAVE THAT ARTIST LEFT BEHIND. >> ERDMAN SAYS NOW HIS ROBO DOES ABOUT HALF THE WORK. 711 00:41:15,506 --> 00:41:18,000 THEN HE TAKES OVER, POLISHING THE MARBLE UNTIL IT GLOWS AND FINISHING THOSE HARD TO GET AT PLACES THAT THE DIAMOND FINGERS 712 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,000 THEN HE TAKES OVER, POLISHING THE MARBLE UNTIL IT GLOWS AND FINISHING THOSE HARD TO GET AT PLACES THAT THE DIAMOND FINGERS 713 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,116 THEN HE TAKES OVER, POLISHING THE MARBLE UNTIL IT GLOWS AND FINISHING THOSE HARD TO GET AT PLACES THAT THE DIAMOND FINGERS 714 00:41:26,183 --> 00:41:30,000 STILL CAN'T REACH, AT LEAST NOT YET. FOR NOW, THE SOUNDS THAT MICHELANGELO WOULD HAVE MADE 715 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,959 STILL CAN'T REACH, AT LEAST NOT YET. FOR NOW, THE SOUNDS THAT MICHELANGELO WOULD HAVE MADE 716 00:41:35,025 --> 00:41:36,000 STILL RING OUT. THE MARBLE WILL BE HERE FOR GENERATIONS, BUT WE WONDER, HOW LONG WILL THE SOUND? 717 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:42,000 STILL RING OUT. THE MARBLE WILL BE HERE FOR GENERATIONS, BUT WE WONDER, HOW LONG WILL THE SOUND? 718 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,000 STILL RING OUT. THE MARBLE WILL BE HERE FOR GENERATIONS, BUT WE WONDER, HOW LONG WILL THE SOUND? 719 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,878 STILL RING OUT. THE MARBLE WILL BE HERE FOR GENERATIONS, BUT WE WONDER, HOW LONG WILL THE SOUND? 720 00:41:53,944 --> 00:41:54,000 [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED HEALTH CARE, RELIABLE COVERAGE 721 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,283 [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED HEALTH CARE, RELIABLE COVERAGE 722 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:00,000 FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD. >> THIS FALL, WE ARE PRESENTING EXPANDED EDITIONS OF "60 MINUTES" THAT RUN 90 MINUTES. 723 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:06,000 FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD. >> THIS FALL, WE ARE PRESENTING EXPANDED EDITIONS OF "60 MINUTES" THAT RUN 90 MINUTES. 724 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,859 FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD. >> THIS FALL, WE ARE PRESENTING EXPANDED EDITIONS OF "60 MINUTES" THAT RUN 90 MINUTES. 725 00:42:08,926 --> 00:42:12,000 NEXT UP, WE TAKE YOU TO THE SOUTHERN COAST OF SPAIN TO INVESTIGATE THE BRAZEN MURDER OF A RUSSIAN DEFECTOR. 726 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:18,000 NEXT UP, WE TAKE YOU TO THE SOUTHERN COAST OF SPAIN TO INVESTIGATE THE BRAZEN MURDER OF A RUSSIAN DEFECTOR. 727 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,470 NEXT UP, WE TAKE YOU TO THE SOUTHERN COAST OF SPAIN TO INVESTIGATE THE BRAZEN MURDER OF A RUSSIAN DEFECTOR. 728 00:42:19,536 --> 00:42:24,000 MIS MYSTERIOUS MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN DEATH SYNDROME -- PRESIDENT VLADIMIR 729 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,009 MIS MYSTERIOUS MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN DEATH SYNDROME -- PRESIDENT VLADIMIR 730 00:42:25,075 --> 00:42:30,000 PUTIN'S ENEMIES. BUT IT'S NOT JUST HAPPENING IN RUSSIA. SINCE THE INVASION OF UKRAINE 731 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,147 PUTIN'S ENEMIES. BUT IT'S NOT JUST HAPPENING IN RUSSIA. SINCE THE INVASION OF UKRAINE 732 00:42:30,214 --> 00:42:36,000 TWO YEARS AGO, PUTIN'S GONE AFTER HIS CRITICS ON WESTERN SOIL. >> IT LOOKS LIKE PUTIN HAS BEEN 733 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,087 TWO YEARS AGO, PUTIN'S GONE AFTER HIS CRITICS ON WESTERN SOIL. >> IT LOOKS LIKE PUTIN HAS BEEN 734 00:42:37,154 --> 00:42:42,000 ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THIS. HAS HE? >> IN MANY WAYS, YES. SO, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO POISON AND 735 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,361 ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THIS. HAS HE? >> IN MANY WAYS, YES. SO, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO POISON AND 736 00:42:44,428 --> 00:42:48,000 KILL HIS WAY AROUND THE WORLD FOR OVER A DECADE NOW WITH JUST SOME SANCTIONS PUT ON HIS GOVERNMENT. 737 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,834 KILL HIS WAY AROUND THE WORLD FOR OVER A DECADE NOW WITH JUST SOME SANCTIONS PUT ON HIS GOVERNMENT. 738 00:42:50,901 --> 00:42:54,000 >> I'M SEE CECILIA VEGA. 739 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,275 >> I'M SEE CECILIA VEGA. 740 00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,000 >>> THE EXPRESSION MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN DEATH SYNDROME IS A GRIM TURN OF PHASE USED TO DESCRIBE THE FALLS FROM TOP FLOOR 741 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,755 >>> THE EXPRESSION MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN DEATH SYNDROME IS A GRIM TURN OF PHASE USED TO DESCRIBE THE FALLS FROM TOP FLOOR 742 00:43:11,822 --> 00:43:12,000 WINDOWS, POISONS, AND SHOOTINGS OF PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S ENEMIES. SINCE THE INVASION OF UKRAINE 743 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,261 WINDOWS, POISONS, AND SHOOTINGS OF PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S ENEMIES. SINCE THE INVASION OF UKRAINE 744 00:43:17,328 --> 00:43:18,000 TWO YEARS AGO, HE HAS USED THESE METHODS TO GO AFTER MORE OF HIS CRITICS ON WESTERN SOIL. LAST MONTH, THE HEAD OF 745 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:24,000 TWO YEARS AGO, HE HAS USED THESE METHODS TO GO AFTER MORE OF HIS CRITICS ON WESTERN SOIL. LAST MONTH, THE HEAD OF 746 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,436 TWO YEARS AGO, HE HAS USED THESE METHODS TO GO AFTER MORE OF HIS CRITICS ON WESTERN SOIL. LAST MONTH, THE HEAD OF 747 00:43:25,502 --> 00:43:30,000 BRITAIN'S SPY AGENCY, MI-5 SAID RUSSIA IS ON A, QUOTE, SUSTAINED MISSION TO GENERATE MAYHEM AS PART OF WHAT U.S. INTELLIGENCE 748 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,479 BRITAIN'S SPY AGENCY, MI-5 SAID RUSSIA IS ON A, QUOTE, SUSTAINED MISSION TO GENERATE MAYHEM AS PART OF WHAT U.S. INTELLIGENCE 749 00:43:35,546 --> 00:43:36,000 OFFICIALS CALL PUTIN'S WAR ON THE WEST. TONIGHT EVIDENCE OF THIS IN ONE OF THE MOST BRAZEN 750 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,552 OFFICIALS CALL PUTIN'S WAR ON THE WEST. TONIGHT EVIDENCE OF THIS IN ONE OF THE MOST BRAZEN 751 00:43:41,618 --> 00:43:42,000 ASSASSINATIONS EVER COMMITTED OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA. >> VILLAJOYOSA IS A RESORT TOWN ON THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST. 752 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:48,000 ASSASSINATIONS EVER COMMITTED OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA. >> VILLAJOYOSA IS A RESORT TOWN ON THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST. 753 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:54,000 ASSASSINATIONS EVER COMMITTED OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA. >> VILLAJOYOSA IS A RESORT TOWN ON THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST. 754 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,064 ASSASSINATIONS EVER COMMITTED OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA. >> VILLAJOYOSA IS A RESORT TOWN ON THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST. 755 00:43:54,131 --> 00:44:00,000 MANY RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE YEAR AROUND ARE FROM RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. THIS PAST FEBRUARY, THE TOWN 756 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,472 MANY RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE YEAR AROUND ARE FROM RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. THIS PAST FEBRUARY, THE TOWN 757 00:44:01,538 --> 00:44:06,000 WHOSE NAME TRANSLATES TO JOYFUL VILLAGE WAS THE SCENE OF A HORRIFIC MURDER THAT MADE INTERNATIONAL HEADLINES. 758 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,145 WHOSE NAME TRANSLATES TO JOYFUL VILLAGE WAS THE SCENE OF A HORRIFIC MURDER THAT MADE INTERNATIONAL HEADLINES. 759 00:44:08,212 --> 00:44:12,000 INSIDE A PARKING GARAGE, THE VICTIM'S BODY WAS DISCOVERED RIDDLED WITH BULLET HOLES. ONE OF THE WITNESSES AT THE 760 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,988 INSIDE A PARKING GARAGE, THE VICTIM'S BODY WAS DISCOVERED RIDDLED WITH BULLET HOLES. ONE OF THE WITNESSES AT THE 761 00:44:18,055 --> 00:44:24,000 SCENE WAS THE HANDYMAN, RUBEN FERRANDIZ. >> Translator: I WAS INSIDE A SECTION OF THE GARAGE CLEANING, 762 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,763 SCENE WAS THE HANDYMAN, RUBEN FERRANDIZ. >> Translator: I WAS INSIDE A SECTION OF THE GARAGE CLEANING, 763 00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:30,000 AND I HEARD A CAR SPEEDING UP THE RAMP REALLY FAST. >> HE TOLD US HE CHECKED THE EXIT RAMP OF THE GARAGE, AND 764 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,038 AND I HEARD A CAR SPEEDING UP THE RAMP REALLY FAST. >> HE TOLD US HE CHECKED THE EXIT RAMP OF THE GARAGE, AND 765 00:44:34,104 --> 00:44:36,000 THAT'S WHEN HE SAW A BODY LYING FACE UP ON THE PAVEMENT. >> Translator: WE DIDN'T TOUCH HIM, BUT WE SAW HE WAS ALREADY 766 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,000 THAT'S WHEN HE SAW A BODY LYING FACE UP ON THE PAVEMENT. >> Translator: WE DIDN'T TOUCH HIM, BUT WE SAW HE WAS ALREADY 767 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,881 THAT'S WHEN HE SAW A BODY LYING FACE UP ON THE PAVEMENT. >> Translator: WE DIDN'T TOUCH HIM, BUT WE SAW HE WAS ALREADY 768 00:44:43,947 --> 00:44:48,000 DEAD. >> FERRANDIZ SAID HE CALLED FOR HELP. HOW MANY TIMES HAD HE BEEN SHOT? 769 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,953 DEAD. >> FERRANDIZ SAID HE CALLED FOR HELP. HOW MANY TIMES HAD HE BEEN SHOT? 770 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:54,000 >> Translator: THEY OPENED UP HIS T-SHIRT AND HE HAD A BULLET, ONE BULLET, RIGHT IN HIS HEART. ONE IN HIS HEART, ONE IN HIS 771 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,596 >> Translator: THEY OPENED UP HIS T-SHIRT AND HE HAD A BULLET, ONE BULLET, RIGHT IN HIS HEART. ONE IN HIS HEART, ONE IN HIS 772 00:44:59,663 --> 00:45:00,000 RIBS AND IN HIS BELLY, HE HAD SOME. THE LADY FROM THE AMBULANCE SAID HE'D BEEN SHOT FIVE TIMES. 773 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,000 RIBS AND IN HIS BELLY, HE HAD SOME. THE LADY FROM THE AMBULANCE SAID HE'D BEEN SHOT FIVE TIMES. 774 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,703 RIBS AND IN HIS BELLY, HE HAD SOME. THE LADY FROM THE AMBULANCE SAID HE'D BEEN SHOT FIVE TIMES. 775 00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:12,000 >> POLICE LATER IDENTIFIED THE VICTIM AS A 28-YEAR-OLD RUSSIAN NAMED MAXIM KUZMINOV. IN 2023, KUZMINOV BOUGHT AN 776 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,612 >> POLICE LATER IDENTIFIED THE VICTIM AS A 28-YEAR-OLD RUSSIAN NAMED MAXIM KUZMINOV. IN 2023, KUZMINOV BOUGHT AN 777 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,000 APARTMENT INSIDE THIS HIGH-RISE COMPLEX. HIS MURDER WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME KUZMINOV HAD MADE 778 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,000 APARTMENT INSIDE THIS HIGH-RISE COMPLEX. HIS MURDER WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME KUZMINOV HAD MADE 779 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,088 APARTMENT INSIDE THIS HIGH-RISE COMPLEX. HIS MURDER WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME KUZMINOV HAD MADE 780 00:45:24,154 --> 00:45:30,000 INTERNATIONAL HEADLINES. HE WAS A MILITARY HELICOPTER PILOT IN RUSSIA, WHO DEFECTED AFTER BEING RECRUITED ONLINE. 781 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,530 INTERNATIONAL HEADLINES. HE WAS A MILITARY HELICOPTER PILOT IN RUSSIA, WHO DEFECTED AFTER BEING RECRUITED ONLINE. 782 00:45:33,597 --> 00:45:36,000 BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS. THIS IS THE HELICOPTER KUZMINOV FLEW ON AUGUST 9, 2023, BELOW RADAR, AS HE CROSSED THE FRONT 783 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,000 BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS. THIS IS THE HELICOPTER KUZMINOV FLEW ON AUGUST 9, 2023, BELOW RADAR, AS HE CROSSED THE FRONT 784 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,510 BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS. THIS IS THE HELICOPTER KUZMINOV FLEW ON AUGUST 9, 2023, BELOW RADAR, AS HE CROSSED THE FRONT 785 00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:48,000 LINES. KUZMINOV HANDED OVER THE HELICOPTER, SEEN IN THIS FOOTAGE FROM THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY. 786 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,315 LINES. KUZMINOV HANDED OVER THE HELICOPTER, SEEN IN THIS FOOTAGE FROM THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY. 787 00:45:51,381 --> 00:45:54,000 HE ALSO GAVE THEM SENSITIVE MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND TOP SECRET RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. IN TURN, UKRAINE GAVE KUZMINOV 788 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,000 HE ALSO GAVE THEM SENSITIVE MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND TOP SECRET RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. IN TURN, UKRAINE GAVE KUZMINOV 789 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:00,991 HE ALSO GAVE THEM SENSITIVE MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND TOP SECRET RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. IN TURN, UKRAINE GAVE KUZMINOV 790 00:46:01,058 --> 00:46:06,000 HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND A NEW UKRAINIAN IDENTITY. IT WAS A BIG VICTORY FOR UKRAINE, WHICH HAD KUZMINOV TELL 791 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,498 HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND A NEW UKRAINIAN IDENTITY. IT WAS A BIG VICTORY FOR UKRAINE, WHICH HAD KUZMINOV TELL 792 00:46:07,564 --> 00:46:12,000 HIS STORY ON NATIONAL TV. >> Translator: WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS A GENOCIDE OF UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, BOTH UKRAINIAN AND 793 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:18,000 HIS STORY ON NATIONAL TV. >> Translator: WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS A GENOCIDE OF UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, BOTH UKRAINIAN AND 794 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,576 HIS STORY ON NATIONAL TV. >> Translator: WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS A GENOCIDE OF UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, BOTH UKRAINIAN AND 795 00:46:19,643 --> 00:46:24,000 RUSSIAN PEOPLE. I DID IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE PART OF THESE CRIMES. I KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS WILL 796 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,815 RUSSIAN PEOPLE. I DID IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE PART OF THESE CRIMES. I KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS WILL 797 00:46:24,882 --> 00:46:30,000 END. UKRAINE WILL DEFINITELY WIN THIS WAR BECAUSE ITS PEOPLE ARE VERY UNITED. 798 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,554 END. UKRAINE WILL DEFINITELY WIN THIS WAR BECAUSE ITS PEOPLE ARE VERY UNITED. 799 00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:36,000 >> KUZMINOV'S UKRAINIAN HANDLERS WARNED THEM NOT TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF FEARS PUTIN WOULD SEND A MILITARY KILL TEAM 800 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,829 >> KUZMINOV'S UKRAINIAN HANDLERS WARNED THEM NOT TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF FEARS PUTIN WOULD SEND A MILITARY KILL TEAM 801 00:46:38,896 --> 00:46:42,000 AFTER HIM. BUT HE DIDN'T LISTEN. IN SPAIN THIS SUMMER, WE WENT TO THE GARAGE WHERE KUZMINOV WAS 802 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,869 AFTER HIM. BUT HE DIDN'T LISTEN. IN SPAIN THIS SUMMER, WE WENT TO THE GARAGE WHERE KUZMINOV WAS 803 00:46:45,936 --> 00:46:48,000 KILLED AND SAW FOR OURSELVES THE BULLET HOLES, THE CRIME SCENE, AND THE PLACEMENT OF SECURITY CAMERAS. 804 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:54,000 KILLED AND SAW FOR OURSELVES THE BULLET HOLES, THE CRIME SCENE, AND THE PLACEMENT OF SECURITY CAMERAS. 805 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,512 KILLED AND SAW FOR OURSELVES THE BULLET HOLES, THE CRIME SCENE, AND THE PLACEMENT OF SECURITY CAMERAS. 806 00:46:55,579 --> 00:47:00,000 WE WERE TOLD THOSE SECURITY CAMERAS RECORDED THE MURDER AND THAT THE FOOTAGE SHOWED TWO ASSASSINS ENTERING THE GARAGE 807 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,120 WE WERE TOLD THOSE SECURITY CAMERAS RECORDED THE MURDER AND THAT THE FOOTAGE SHOWED TWO ASSASSINS ENTERING THE GARAGE 808 00:47:03,187 --> 00:47:06,000 AND HIDING IN THE BACKSEAT OF THEIR CAR BEHIND TINTED GLASS. THEY WAITED FOR FIVE HOURS FOR KUZMINOV TO SHOW UP TO HIS 809 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,862 AND HIDING IN THE BACKSEAT OF THEIR CAR BEHIND TINTED GLASS. THEY WAITED FOR FIVE HOURS FOR KUZMINOV TO SHOW UP TO HIS 810 00:47:11,929 --> 00:47:12,000 PARKING SPOT. THEN THEY SPRAYED HIM WITH BULLETS. >> DID YOU NOT HEAR GUNSHOTS? 811 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,433 PARKING SPOT. THEN THEY SPRAYED HIM WITH BULLETS. >> DID YOU NOT HEAR GUNSHOTS? 812 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,000 >> NO. >> NOTHING? IT WAS COMPLETELY SILENT. >> Translator: NOTHING. 813 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,037 >> NO. >> NOTHING? IT WAS COMPLETELY SILENT. >> Translator: NOTHING. 814 00:47:20,103 --> 00:47:24,000 I JUST HEARD THE CAR LEAVE NAY BIG HURRY, AND THAT'S WHEN I CAME OUT. BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANY GUNSHOTS. 815 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,476 I JUST HEARD THE CAR LEAVE NAY BIG HURRY, AND THAT'S WHEN I CAME OUT. BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANY GUNSHOTS. 816 00:47:26,543 --> 00:47:30,000 >> WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE WEAPONS THEY USED? >> Translator: THAT THEY USED A SILENCER BECAUSE OTHERWISE I 817 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,848 >> WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE WEAPONS THEY USED? >> Translator: THAT THEY USED A SILENCER BECAUSE OTHERWISE I 818 00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:36,000 WOULD HAVE HEARD THE GUNSHOTS. >> THE ASSASSINS FLED THE SCENE AND BURNED THE GET AWAY CAR WITH AN INDUSTRIAL GRADE ACCELERANT. 819 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,358 WOULD HAVE HEARD THE GUNSHOTS. >> THE ASSASSINS FLED THE SCENE AND BURNED THE GET AWAY CAR WITH AN INDUSTRIAL GRADE ACCELERANT. 820 00:47:41,425 --> 00:47:42,000 THAT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED ANY GPS TRACKING IN THE CAR, HIDING THEIR TRAIL. THE REMNANTS WERE DISCOVERED ON 821 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,000 THAT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED ANY GPS TRACKING IN THE CAR, HIDING THEIR TRAIL. THE REMNANTS WERE DISCOVERED ON 822 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,065 THAT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED ANY GPS TRACKING IN THE CAR, HIDING THEIR TRAIL. THE REMNANTS WERE DISCOVERED ON 823 00:47:48,131 --> 00:47:54,000 THE OTHER SIDE OF A TUNNEL IN A PLACE SO ISOLATED THE KILLERS LIKELY NEEDED HELP FROM LOCALS TO KNOW THE LOCATION. 824 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,138 THE OTHER SIDE OF A TUNNEL IN A PLACE SO ISOLATED THE KILLERS LIKELY NEEDED HELP FROM LOCALS TO KNOW THE LOCATION. 825 00:47:55,205 --> 00:48:00,000 >> THIS IS NOT AMATEUR HOUR. THESE GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. >> MICH MICHAEL WEISS IS THE U. 826 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,000 >> THIS IS NOT AMATEUR HOUR. THESE GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. >> MICH MICHAEL WEISS IS THE U. 827 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,216 >> THIS IS NOT AMATEUR HOUR. THESE GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. >> MICH MICHAEL WEISS IS THE U. 828 00:48:06,283 --> 00:48:12,000 EDITOR AT "THE INSIDER," AN INVESTIGATIVE MAGAZINE. >> HOW WAS MAXIM KUZMINOV KILLED? 829 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,590 EDITOR AT "THE INSIDER," AN INVESTIGATIVE MAGAZINE. >> HOW WAS MAXIM KUZMINOV KILLED? 830 00:48:13,657 --> 00:48:18,000 >> HIS MURDER BEARS ALL THE HALLMARKS OF A PROFESSIONAL HIT. WE KNOW THAT HE WAS BEING SURVEILLED FOR WEEKS, IF NOT 831 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,797 >> HIS MURDER BEARS ALL THE HALLMARKS OF A PROFESSIONAL HIT. WE KNOW THAT HE WAS BEING SURVEILLED FOR WEEKS, IF NOT 832 00:48:20,864 --> 00:48:24,000 MONTHS, BEFOREHAND BECAUSE THE KILLERS KNEW HIS MOVEMENTS. THE WEAPON THAT THEY USED, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF IT WAS A 833 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,870 MONTHS, BEFOREHAND BECAUSE THE KILLERS KNEW HIS MOVEMENTS. THE WEAPON THAT THEY USED, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF IT WAS A 834 00:48:26,937 --> 00:48:30,000 PISTOL OR WHAT. BUT THE AMMUNITION WAS RUSSIAN. SO, IT'S SIGNATURE LEAVING SOMETHING BEHIND THAT AT LEAST 835 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,177 PISTOL OR WHAT. BUT THE AMMUNITION WAS RUSSIAN. SO, IT'S SIGNATURE LEAVING SOMETHING BEHIND THAT AT LEAST 836 00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:36,000 TELEGRAPHS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A HUGE PIECE OF EVIDENCE. 837 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,648 TELEGRAPHS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A HUGE PIECE OF EVIDENCE. 838 00:48:37,714 --> 00:48:42,000 >> IT'S LEADING BACK TO MOSCOW, WHICH THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU 839 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,221 >> IT'S LEADING BACK TO MOSCOW, WHICH THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU 840 00:48:44,288 --> 00:48:48,000 CAN'T PROVE IT WAS US, BUT COME ON, LET'S BE HONEST, YOU KNW IT WAS US. >> KUZMINOV DID NOT LIVE A QUIET 841 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,261 CAN'T PROVE IT WAS US, BUT COME ON, LET'S BE HONEST, YOU KNW IT WAS US. >> KUZMINOV DID NOT LIVE A QUIET 842 00:48:51,328 --> 00:48:54,000 LIFE IN SPAIN. A NEIGHBOR TOLD US THAT HE OFTEN DRANK AT THIS LOCAL BAR AND WAS HEARD BRAGGING ABOUT WHO HE 843 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,801 LIFE IN SPAIN. A NEIGHBOR TOLD US THAT HE OFTEN DRANK AT THIS LOCAL BAR AND WAS HEARD BRAGGING ABOUT WHO HE 844 00:48:57,868 --> 00:49:00,000 REALLY WAS. LOCAL AUTHORITIES HERE IN VILLAJOYOSA ARE NO LONGER IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO 845 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,142 REALLY WAS. LOCAL AUTHORITIES HERE IN VILLAJOYOSA ARE NO LONGER IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO 846 00:49:05,208 --> 00:49:06,000 KUZMINOV'S DEATH. THAT'S NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE SPANISH CIVIL GUARD, BUT THERE I A GAG ORDER IN THIS CASE, AND 847 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,948 KUZMINOV'S DEATH. THAT'S NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE SPANISH CIVIL GUARD, BUT THERE I A GAG ORDER IN THIS CASE, AND 848 00:49:12,015 --> 00:49:18,000 AUTHORITIES HAVE SAID VERY LITTLE ABOUT IT PUBLICLY EXCEPT TO ISSUE A STERN WARNING. IF IT IS PROVEN THAT RUSSIA IS 849 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,123 AUTHORITIES HAVE SAID VERY LITTLE ABOUT IT PUBLICLY EXCEPT TO ISSUE A STERN WARNING. IF IT IS PROVEN THAT RUSSIA IS 850 00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:24,000 BEHIND THE DEATH OF MAXIM KUZMINOV, SPAIN WILL ISSUE A FORCEFUL RESPONSE. BUT SO FAR THEY'VE DONE NOTHING. 851 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,229 BEHIND THE DEATH OF MAXIM KUZMINOV, SPAIN WILL ISSUE A FORCEFUL RESPONSE. BUT SO FAR THEY'VE DONE NOTHING. 852 00:49:26,296 --> 00:49:30,000 WE REQUESTED INTERVIEWS WITH HALF A DOZEN LOCAL AND FEDERAL SPANISH OFFICIALS ABOUT THE KUZMINOV CASE. 853 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,570 WE REQUESTED INTERVIEWS WITH HALF A DOZEN LOCAL AND FEDERAL SPANISH OFFICIALS ABOUT THE KUZMINOV CASE. 854 00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:36,000 NO ONE WOULD TALK. >> Translator: HIS DEATH WAS CELEBRATED ON RUSSIAN STATE TELEVISION AND BY A FORMER PRIME 855 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,000 NO ONE WOULD TALK. >> Translator: HIS DEATH WAS CELEBRATED ON RUSSIAN STATE TELEVISION AND BY A FORMER PRIME 856 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:42,546 NO ONE WOULD TALK. >> Translator: HIS DEATH WAS CELEBRATED ON RUSSIAN STATE TELEVISION AND BY A FORMER PRIME 857 00:49:42,612 --> 00:49:48,000 MINISTER. >> Translator: WHEN RUSSIAN REPORTERS ASKED HIM ABOUT KUZMINOV, HE WAS BLUNT. 858 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,253 MINISTER. >> Translator: WHEN RUSSIAN REPORTERS ASKED HIM ABOUT KUZMINOV, HE WAS BLUNT. 859 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,000 >> Translator: FOR A DOG, A DOG'S DEATH. >> A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE INVESTIGATION GAVE "60 MINUTES" 860 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,728 >> Translator: FOR A DOG, A DOG'S DEATH. >> A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE INVESTIGATION GAVE "60 MINUTES" 861 00:49:57,794 --> 00:50:00,000 THESE PHOTOS OF MEN THEY SAY WERE IDENTIFIED AS SPANISH AUTHORITIES AS PERSONS OF INTEREST WHO WERE IN SPAIN AT 862 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,501 THESE PHOTOS OF MEN THEY SAY WERE IDENTIFIED AS SPANISH AUTHORITIES AS PERSONS OF INTEREST WHO WERE IN SPAIN AT 863 00:50:04,568 --> 00:50:06,000 THE TIME OF KUZMINOV'S MURDER. "60 MINUTES" HAS LEARNED THE MAN ON THE LEFT IS A FORMER KGB OFFICER. 864 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,000 THE TIME OF KUZMINOV'S MURDER. "60 MINUTES" HAS LEARNED THE MAN ON THE LEFT IS A FORMER KGB OFFICER. 865 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,812 THE TIME OF KUZMINOV'S MURDER. "60 MINUTES" HAS LEARNED THE MAN ON THE LEFT IS A FORMER KGB OFFICER. 866 00:50:15,879 --> 00:50:18,000 IT'S YET ANOTHER INDICATOR THAT THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT MAY BE INVOLVED. >> WHO DO YOU THINK KILLED MAXIM 867 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,819 IT'S YET ANOTHER INDICATOR THAT THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT MAY BE INVOLVED. >> WHO DO YOU THINK KILLED MAXIM 868 00:50:22,886 --> 00:50:24,000 KUZMINOV? >> I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT WAS THE RUSSIAN SPECIAL SERVICES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT 869 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,824 KUZMINOV? >> I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT WAS THE RUSSIAN SPECIAL SERVICES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT 870 00:50:27,891 --> 00:50:30,000 IN ANYONE'S MIND, LEAST OF ALL UKRAINIANS OR RUSSIANS. >> IT APPEARS THE UKRAINIANS ARE PUSHING BACK. 871 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,532 IN ANYONE'S MIND, LEAST OF ALL UKRAINIANS OR RUSSIANS. >> IT APPEARS THE UKRAINIANS ARE PUSHING BACK. 872 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:36,000 IN A BIZARRE TWIST STRAIGHT OUT OF A SPY THRILLER, KUZMINOV SEEMED TO RISE FROM THE DEAD FIVE MONTHS AFTER HE WAS KILLED. 873 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:42,000 IN A BIZARRE TWIST STRAIGHT OUT OF A SPY THRILLER, KUZMINOV SEEMED TO RISE FROM THE DEAD FIVE MONTHS AFTER HE WAS KILLED. 874 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,173 IN A BIZARRE TWIST STRAIGHT OUT OF A SPY THRILLER, KUZMINOV SEEMED TO RISE FROM THE DEAD FIVE MONTHS AFTER HE WAS KILLED. 875 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:48,000 THESE PICTURES APPEARED THIS SUMMER ON SOCIAL MEDIA SHOWING A MAN WHO LOOKED LIKE KUZMINOV AT AN AIR SHOW. 876 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,113 THESE PICTURES APPEARED THIS SUMMER ON SOCIAL MEDIA SHOWING A MAN WHO LOOKED LIKE KUZMINOV AT AN AIR SHOW. 877 00:50:50,180 --> 00:50:54,000 "60 MINUTES" HAS LEARNED IT WAS LIKELY AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER WEARING AN ELABORATE DISGUISE. THE UKRAINIANS WERE CONDUCTING 878 00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:00,000 "60 MINUTES" HAS LEARNED IT WAS LIKELY AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER WEARING AN ELABORATE DISGUISE. THE UKRAINIANS WERE CONDUCTING 879 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,858 "60 MINUTES" HAS LEARNED IT WAS LIKELY AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER WEARING AN ELABORATE DISGUISE. THE UKRAINIANS WERE CONDUCTING 880 00:51:01,925 --> 00:51:06,000 THEIR OWN MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN, TRYING TO BEAT THE RUSSIANS AT THEIR OWN GAME. THEIR GOAL, TO MAKE THE WORLD 881 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,198 THEIR OWN MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN, TRYING TO BEAT THE RUSSIANS AT THEIR OWN GAME. THEIR GOAL, TO MAKE THE WORLD 882 00:51:08,265 --> 00:51:12,000 THINK KUZMINOV HAD SURVIVED THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AND WAS STILL WORKING FOR UKRAINE, A SHOW TO OTHER POTENTIAL RUSSIANS 883 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:18,000 THINK KUZMINOV HAD SURVIVED THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AND WAS STILL WORKING FOR UKRAINE, A SHOW TO OTHER POTENTIAL RUSSIANS 884 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:18,208 THINK KUZMINOV HAD SURVIVED THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AND WAS STILL WORKING FOR UKRAINE, A SHOW TO OTHER POTENTIAL RUSSIANS 885 00:51:18,275 --> 00:51:24,000 THAT THEY WOULD BE SAFE IF THEY, TOO, DEFECTED. WE CONFIRMED THAT THE REAL KUZMINOV WAS BURIED IN AN 886 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,014 THAT THEY WOULD BE SAFE IF THEY, TOO, DEFECTED. WE CONFIRMED THAT THE REAL KUZMINOV WAS BURIED IN AN 887 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,118 UNMARKED GRAVE IN SOUTHERN SPAIN. >> WHY WOULD THE SPANISH GOVERNMENT NOT BE SCREAMING FROM 888 00:51:28,185 --> 00:51:30,000 THE ROOFTOPS ABOUT A MURDER ON THEIR SOIL? >> BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO PANIC. 889 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,689 THE ROOFTOPS ABOUT A MURDER ON THEIR SOIL? >> BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO PANIC. 890 00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:36,000 IF YOU'RE A TOURIST, YOU WANT TO VACATION KNOWING YOU MIGHT BE COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN A HIT. >> IS THE GOVERNMENT LOOKING THE 891 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:42,000 IF YOU'RE A TOURIST, YOU WANT TO VACATION KNOWING YOU MIGHT BE COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN A HIT. >> IS THE GOVERNMENT LOOKING THE 892 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,436 IF YOU'RE A TOURIST, YOU WANT TO VACATION KNOWING YOU MIGHT BE COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN A HIT. >> IS THE GOVERNMENT LOOKING THE 893 00:51:46,503 --> 00:51:48,000 OTHER WAY. >> VERY MUCH SO? >> BECAUSE THE PRICE OF LOOKING INTO THE EYES OF THE KREMLIN, 894 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,008 OTHER WAY. >> VERY MUCH SO? >> BECAUSE THE PRICE OF LOOKING INTO THE EYES OF THE KREMLIN, 895 00:51:52,075 --> 00:51:54,000 WHAT'S THE RISK? >> THERE'S A FEAR OF ESCALATION. >> THAT'S BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 60 MYSTERIOUS 896 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,181 WHAT'S THE RISK? >> THERE'S A FEAR OF ESCALATION. >> THAT'S BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 60 MYSTERIOUS 897 00:51:58,248 --> 00:52:00,000 DEATHS OF PUTIN'S ENEMIES IN RUSSIA AND EUROPE SINCE THE WAR BEGAN, LIKE SERGEY -- AND HIS FAMILY WHO DIED IN A REPORTED 898 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,000 DEATHS OF PUTIN'S ENEMIES IN RUSSIA AND EUROPE SINCE THE WAR BEGAN, LIKE SERGEY -- AND HIS FAMILY WHO DIED IN A REPORTED 899 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,594 DEATHS OF PUTIN'S ENEMIES IN RUSSIA AND EUROPE SINCE THE WAR BEGAN, LIKE SERGEY -- AND HIS FAMILY WHO DIED IN A REPORTED 900 00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:12,000 MURDER/SUICIDE TWO MONTHS AFTER THE UKRAINE INVASION. AND THE DMITRY ZELINOV DIED FROM HEAD INJURIES AFTER FALLING 901 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,000 MURDER/SUICIDE TWO MONTHS AFTER THE UKRAINE INVASION. AND THE DMITRY ZELINOV DIED FROM HEAD INJURIES AFTER FALLING 902 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,869 MURDER/SUICIDE TWO MONTHS AFTER THE UKRAINE INVASION. AND THE DMITRY ZELINOV DIED FROM HEAD INJURIES AFTER FALLING 903 00:52:18,935 --> 00:52:24,000 DOWNSTAIRS IN THE FRENCH RIVIERA. DOZENS MORE, LIKE THIS MAN, HAVE FALLEN OUT OF WINDOWS OR DIED IN 904 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,909 DOWNSTAIRS IN THE FRENCH RIVIERA. DOZENS MORE, LIKE THIS MAN, HAVE FALLEN OUT OF WINDOWS OR DIED IN 905 00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:30,000 CRASHES IN RUSSIA. IT HAS EUROPEAN OFFICIALS ON -- >> IF WE DON'T STOP HIM AND HIS BORDERS, HE WILL MARCH ON. 906 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,000 CRASHES IN RUSSIA. IT HAS EUROPEAN OFFICIALS ON -- >> IF WE DON'T STOP HIM AND HIS BORDERS, HE WILL MARCH ON. 907 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,654 CRASHES IN RUSSIA. IT HAS EUROPEAN OFFICIALS ON -- >> IF WE DON'T STOP HIM AND HIS BORDERS, HE WILL MARCH ON. 908 00:52:37,721 --> 00:52:42,000 >> THIS WOMAN IS THE AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES FROM THE EUROPEAN UNION AND LITHUANIAN BY BIRTH. 909 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,127 >> THIS WOMAN IS THE AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES FROM THE EUROPEAN UNION AND LITHUANIAN BY BIRTH. 910 00:52:44,194 --> 00:52:48,000 >> IN RECENT YEARS WE'VE SEEN RUSSIA LINKED TO A NUMBER OF ATTACKS ON INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND EUROPE. 911 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,667 >> IN RECENT YEARS WE'VE SEEN RUSSIA LINKED TO A NUMBER OF ATTACKS ON INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND EUROPE. 912 00:52:50,734 --> 00:52:54,000 THEY HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF ATTACKING ARMS SHIPMENTS, RAILWAYS. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEHIND 913 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,808 THEY HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF ATTACKING ARMS SHIPMENTS, RAILWAYS. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEHIND 914 00:52:58,875 --> 00:53:00,000 THAT? >> THIS IS CHALLENGING THE ORDER, THE STABILITY OF EUROPE, AND ACTUALLY TESTING. 915 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,048 THAT? >> THIS IS CHALLENGING THE ORDER, THE STABILITY OF EUROPE, AND ACTUALLY TESTING. 916 00:53:05,115 --> 00:53:06,000 >> TESTING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH? >> OF COURSE. 917 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,419 >> TESTING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH? >> OF COURSE. 918 00:53:09,486 --> 00:53:12,000 ALL THOSE CYBER OR ATTACKS ON CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON EU AND NATO TERRITORY. 919 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,226 ALL THOSE CYBER OR ATTACKS ON CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON EU AND NATO TERRITORY. 920 00:53:16,293 --> 00:53:18,000 THEY'RE TESTING HOW MUCH THEY CAN. PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHEN HE WAS MAKING STATE OF THE UNION THIS 921 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,332 THEY'RE TESTING HOW MUCH THEY CAN. PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHEN HE WAS MAKING STATE OF THE UNION THIS 922 00:53:22,399 --> 00:53:24,000 YEAR, HE SAID, IF WE DON'T STOP PUTIN, HE WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE HE'S NOT THE MAN OF THE GOODWILL. 923 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,000 YEAR, HE SAID, IF WE DON'T STOP PUTIN, HE WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE HE'S NOT THE MAN OF THE GOODWILL. 924 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,142 YEAR, HE SAID, IF WE DON'T STOP PUTIN, HE WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE HE'S NOT THE MAN OF THE GOODWILL. 925 00:53:32,208 --> 00:53:36,000 HE UNDERSTANDS ONLY THE LANGUAGE OF STRENGTH. >> IN ADDITION TO THE ASSASSINATIONS, RUSSIA HAS BEEN 926 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:36,980 HE UNDERSTANDS ONLY THE LANGUAGE OF STRENGTH. >> IN ADDITION TO THE ASSASSINATIONS, RUSSIA HAS BEEN 927 00:53:37,047 --> 00:53:42,000 IMPLICATED IN SABOTAGE ATTACKS, INCLUDING A FIRE BOMBING IN A GERMAN FACTORY OWNED BY A LEADING WEAPONS COMPANY, AN 928 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,088 IMPLICATED IN SABOTAGE ATTACKS, INCLUDING A FIRE BOMBING IN A GERMAN FACTORY OWNED BY A LEADING WEAPONS COMPANY, AN 929 00:53:45,155 --> 00:53:48,000 ATTACK ON ONE OF THE LARGEST SHOPPING MALLS IN POLAND, AND THE CUTTING OF AN UNDERWATER GAS PIPELINE IN THE BALTIC SEA. 930 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,762 ATTACK ON ONE OF THE LARGEST SHOPPING MALLS IN POLAND, AND THE CUTTING OF AN UNDERWATER GAS PIPELINE IN THE BALTIC SEA. 931 00:53:52,829 --> 00:53:54,000 >> IS PUTIN AT WAR WITH THE WEST? >> WELL, OF COURSE, YES. WE HAD TO TAKE HIM -- ACTUALLY 932 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,268 >> IS PUTIN AT WAR WITH THE WEST? >> WELL, OF COURSE, YES. WE HAD TO TAKE HIM -- ACTUALLY 933 00:53:58,335 --> 00:54:00,000 NOT ONLY SERIOUSLY, BUT LITERALLY. >> AS A RESULT OF PUTIN'S SUMMER OF MAYHEM, LAST MONTH THE EU 934 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,840 NOT ONLY SERIOUSLY, BUT LITERALLY. >> AS A RESULT OF PUTIN'S SUMMER OF MAYHEM, LAST MONTH THE EU 935 00:54:03,907 --> 00:54:06,000 ANNOUNCED A NEW TYPE OF SANCTIONS AIMED AT THE ORGANIZATIONS AND PEOPLE THAT CARRY OUT VIOLENCE FOR RUSSIA. 936 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,913 ANNOUNCED A NEW TYPE OF SANCTIONS AIMED AT THE ORGANIZATIONS AND PEOPLE THAT CARRY OUT VIOLENCE FOR RUSSIA. 937 00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:12,000 IF IT'S PROVEN THAT ANY SPANISH OR EU CITIZENS HELPED THE KILLERS OF MAXIM KUZMINOV ESCAPE, THE SANCTIONS COULD BE 938 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,000 IF IT'S PROVEN THAT ANY SPANISH OR EU CITIZENS HELPED THE KILLERS OF MAXIM KUZMINOV ESCAPE, THE SANCTIONS COULD BE 939 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,090 IF IT'S PROVEN THAT ANY SPANISH OR EU CITIZENS HELPED THE KILLERS OF MAXIM KUZMINOV ESCAPE, THE SANCTIONS COULD BE 940 00:54:20,156 --> 00:54:24,000 AIMED AT THEM. >> THE QUESTION IS WHETHER SANCTIONS AND DIPLOMACY ARE WORKING. 941 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,028 AIMED AT THEM. >> THE QUESTION IS WHETHER SANCTIONS AND DIPLOMACY ARE WORKING. 942 00:54:25,095 --> 00:54:30,000 >> YOU JUST HAVE TO IMAGINE AND THINK WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T HAVE NEITHER SANCTIONS OR ECONOMIC MEASURES, THE WAR WOULD 943 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,736 >> YOU JUST HAVE TO IMAGINE AND THINK WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T HAVE NEITHER SANCTIONS OR ECONOMIC MEASURES, THE WAR WOULD 944 00:54:32,802 --> 00:54:36,000 BE IN THE DIFFERENT SCALE AND THE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SANCTIONS. >> BUT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, IS 945 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,000 BE IN THE DIFFERENT SCALE AND THE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SANCTIONS. >> BUT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, IS 946 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:42,045 BE IN THE DIFFERENT SCALE AND THE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SANCTIONS. >> BUT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, IS 947 00:54:42,112 --> 00:54:46,149 IT FAIR TO SAY RUSSIA IS WINNING? >> DEFINITELY NOT. WE ARE ON THE WINNING SIDE. 948 00:54:46,216 --> 00:54:48,000 HAVE YOU HEARD ANYONE WANTING TO MOVE TO LIVE IN RUSSIA RECENTLY? I THINK -- I THINK NOT. >> IS WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING IN 949 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:54,000 HAVE YOU HEARD ANYONE WANTING TO MOVE TO LIVE IN RUSSIA RECENTLY? I THINK -- I THINK NOT. >> IS WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING IN 950 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:54,824 HAVE YOU HEARD ANYONE WANTING TO MOVE TO LIVE IN RUSSIA RECENTLY? I THINK -- I THINK NOT. >> IS WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING IN 951 00:54:54,891 --> 00:55:00,000 EUROPE A WARNING FOR THE UNITED STATES? >> IT'S THE WARNING FOR EVERY ONE OF US, THAT THEY ARE NOT 952 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,700 EUROPE A WARNING FOR THE UNITED STATES? >> IT'S THE WARNING FOR EVERY ONE OF US, THAT THEY ARE NOT 953 00:55:03,767 --> 00:55:06,000 REALLY ONLY IN UKRAINE WITH THE WAR, THEY ARE -- THEY ARE HERE. IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING EVERYWHERE. 954 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,141 REALLY ONLY IN UKRAINE WITH THE WAR, THEY ARE -- THEY ARE HERE. IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING EVERYWHERE. 955 00:55:11,207 --> 00:55:12,000 SO, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT, EVERY ONE OF US. >> IS VLADIMIR PUTIN BRINGING HIS WAR ON THE WEST TO U.S. 956 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:18,000 SO, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT, EVERY ONE OF US. >> IS VLADIMIR PUTIN BRINGING HIS WAR ON THE WEST TO U.S. 957 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,015 SO, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT, EVERY ONE OF US. >> IS VLADIMIR PUTIN BRINGING HIS WAR ON THE WEST TO U.S. 958 00:55:19,082 --> 00:55:24,000 SOIL? NEXT, A RARE INTERVIEW WITH THE OFFICIAL WHO LEADS THE LEGAL 959 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,000 SOIL? NEXT, A RARE INTERVIEW WITH THE OFFICIAL WHO LEADS THE LEGAL 960 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:36,000 SOIL? NEXT, A RARE INTERVIEW WITH THE OFFICIAL WHO LEADS THE LEGAL 961 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:36,399 SOIL? NEXT, A RARE INTERVIEW WITH THE OFFICIAL WHO LEADS THE LEGAL 962 00:55:36,766 --> 00:55:42,000 >>> THE BRAZEN ASSASSINATION OF RUSSIAN DEFECTOR MAXIM KUZMINOV IS A WARNING TO EUROPE ABOUT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S LONG, VIOLENT 963 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,874 >>> THE BRAZEN ASSASSINATION OF RUSSIAN DEFECTOR MAXIM KUZMINOV IS A WARNING TO EUROPE ABOUT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S LONG, VIOLENT 964 00:55:44,941 --> 00:55:48,000 REACH, WHAT COULD IT MEAN FOR THE UNITED STATES? IS THE COUNTRY PREPARED FOR PUTIN GOING AFTER HIS CRITICS ON 965 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,314 REACH, WHAT COULD IT MEAN FOR THE UNITED STATES? IS THE COUNTRY PREPARED FOR PUTIN GOING AFTER HIS CRITICS ON 966 00:55:51,381 --> 00:55:54,000 U.S. SOIL? IT TURNS OUT HE'S ALREADY COME CLOSE. TONIGHT, MATT OLSEN, THE HEAD OF 967 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,255 U.S. SOIL? IT TURNS OUT HE'S ALREADY COME CLOSE. TONIGHT, MATT OLSEN, THE HEAD OF 968 00:55:59,322 --> 00:56:00,000 THE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAYS HE'S CONCERNED THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO KUZMINOV IN SPAIN 969 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,194 THE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAYS HE'S CONCERNED THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO KUZMINOV IN SPAIN 970 00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:06,000 COULD HAPPEN HERE. >> MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN DEATH SYNDROME. ACCURATE WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT'S 971 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,167 COULD HAPPEN HERE. >> MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN DEATH SYNDROME. ACCURATE WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT'S 972 00:56:11,234 --> 00:56:12,000 HAPPENED TO SOME OF PUTIN'S CRITICS? >> WE'RE NOT SEEING THINGS THAT ARE MYSTERIOUS. 973 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,740 HAPPENED TO SOME OF PUTIN'S CRITICS? >> WE'RE NOT SEEING THINGS THAT ARE MYSTERIOUS. 974 00:56:16,806 --> 00:56:18,000 >> THEY'RE BLACK AND WHITE TO YOU. >> I DON'T THINK PUTIN IS TRYING TO HIDE HIS HAND. 975 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,977 >> THEY'RE BLACK AND WHITE TO YOU. >> I DON'T THINK PUTIN IS TRYING TO HIDE HIS HAND. 976 00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:24,000 I THINK QUITE THE OPPOSITE. THEY'RE GOING AFTER THEIR CRITICS BOTH TO ELIMINATE THE CRITICS BUT ALSO TO SEND A STARK 977 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,383 I THINK QUITE THE OPPOSITE. THEY'RE GOING AFTER THEIR CRITICS BOTH TO ELIMINATE THE CRITICS BUT ALSO TO SEND A STARK 978 00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:30,000 AND CHILLING MESSAGE. >> HE'S NOT HIDING HIS M.O. >> HE'S NOT HIDING HIS M.O. HE IS GOING AFTER THEM BECAUSE 979 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,225 AND CHILLING MESSAGE. >> HE'S NOT HIDING HIS M.O. >> HE'S NOT HIDING HIS M.O. HE IS GOING AFTER THEM BECAUSE 980 00:56:35,291 --> 00:56:36,000 HE WANTS NOT JUST THOSE INDIVIDUALS BUT ANYONE WHO WOULD THINK ABOUT DOING THE SAME THING TO THINK TWICE AND TO BE WORRIED 981 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,064 HE WANTS NOT JUST THOSE INDIVIDUALS BUT ANYONE WHO WOULD THINK ABOUT DOING THE SAME THING TO THINK TWICE AND TO BE WORRIED 982 00:56:41,131 --> 00:56:42,000 ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IF I GO DOWN THAT SAME PATH. >> MATT OLSEN'S TEAM AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS 983 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:48,000 ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IF I GO DOWN THAT SAME PATH. >> MATT OLSEN'S TEAM AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS 984 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,138 ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IF I GO DOWN THAT SAME PATH. >> MATT OLSEN'S TEAM AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS 985 00:56:48,204 --> 00:56:54,000 PROSECUTED NEARLY 60 CASES IN COURTS RELATED TO RUSSIAN -- SANCTIONS VIOLATIONS AND ESPIONAGE SINCE THE RUSSIAN 986 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,579 PROSECUTED NEARLY 60 CASES IN COURTS RELATED TO RUSSIAN -- SANCTIONS VIOLATIONS AND ESPIONAGE SINCE THE RUSSIAN 987 00:56:56,646 --> 00:57:00,000 INVASION OF UKRAINE. >> I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW AGGRESSIVE PUTIN IS BEING IN 988 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,718 INVASION OF UKRAINE. >> I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW AGGRESSIVE PUTIN IS BEING IN 989 00:57:01,785 --> 00:57:06,000 GOING AFTER THE UNITED STATES AS WELL AS OUR ALLIES. >> AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, CAN YOU SAY WHETHER THERE ARE RUSSIAN 990 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,357 GOING AFTER THE UNITED STATES AS WELL AS OUR ALLIES. >> AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, CAN YOU SAY WHETHER THERE ARE RUSSIAN 991 00:57:07,423 --> 00:57:12,000 ASSETS CURRENTLY WORKING IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW? >> THERE CERTAINLY ARE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE ASSETS IN THE 992 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,165 ASSETS CURRENTLY WORKING IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW? >> THERE CERTAINLY ARE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE ASSETS IN THE 993 00:57:15,231 --> 00:57:18,000 UNITED STATES WORKING ON A RANGE OF THREATS TO THE UNITED STATES. >> HOW MUCH OF A DANGER DO THEY POSE? 994 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,771 UNITED STATES WORKING ON A RANGE OF THREATS TO THE UNITED STATES. >> HOW MUCH OF A DANGER DO THEY POSE? 995 00:57:21,838 --> 00:57:24,000 >> THEY ARE ENGAGED IN REPRESSING PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICS OF THE PUTIN REGIME. AND IN BETWEEN THEY'RE 996 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,512 >> THEY ARE ENGAGED IN REPRESSING PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICS OF THE PUTIN REGIME. AND IN BETWEEN THEY'RE 997 00:57:29,579 --> 00:57:30,000 CONDUCTING FOREIGN INFLUENCE. THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS, IN OUR POLITICS. 998 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,285 CONDUCTING FOREIGN INFLUENCE. THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS, IN OUR POLITICS. 999 00:57:35,351 --> 00:57:36,000 THEY ARE CARRYING OUT CYBER ATTACKS AND PUTTING OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AT RISK. >> HAS IT GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THE 1000 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:42,000 THEY ARE CARRYING OUT CYBER ATTACKS AND PUTTING OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AT RISK. >> HAS IT GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THE 1001 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:42,492 THEY ARE CARRYING OUT CYBER ATTACKS AND PUTTING OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AT RISK. >> HAS IT GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THE 1002 00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:48,000 WAR IN UKRAINE? >> I THINK ESSENTIALLY THAT THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS 1003 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,299 WAR IN UKRAINE? >> I THINK ESSENTIALLY THAT THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS 1004 00:57:49,365 --> 00:57:54,000 HAVE BEEN ON A WAR FOOTING. WE ARE WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN EUROPE, BOTH ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND 1005 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,573 HAVE BEEN ON A WAR FOOTING. WE ARE WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN EUROPE, BOTH ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND 1006 00:57:56,639 --> 00:58:00,000 THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SHARING INFORMATION, SHARING INTELLIGENCE, AND SHARING REALLY 1007 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,079 THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SHARING INFORMATION, SHARING INTELLIGENCE, AND SHARING REALLY 1008 00:58:03,146 --> 00:58:06,000 BEST PRACTICES. >> EARLIER THIS YEAR, U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT ALLOWED GERMANY 1009 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,819 BEST PRACTICES. >> EARLIER THIS YEAR, U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT ALLOWED GERMANY 1010 00:58:09,886 --> 00:58:12,000 TO STOP A RUSSIAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT BEFORE IT HAPPENED, SAVING THE LIFE OF A CEO OF A GERMAN COMPANY THAT PROVIDES 1011 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,326 TO STOP A RUSSIAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT BEFORE IT HAPPENED, SAVING THE LIFE OF A CEO OF A GERMAN COMPANY THAT PROVIDES 1012 00:58:16,392 --> 00:58:18,000 WEAPONS TO UKRAINE. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY OTHER PLOTS THAT WEREN'T STOPPED. >> THE CASE OF MAXIM KUZMINOV IN 1013 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,600 WEAPONS TO UKRAINE. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY OTHER PLOTS THAT WEREN'T STOPPED. >> THE CASE OF MAXIM KUZMINOV IN 1014 00:58:23,666 --> 00:58:24,000 SPAIN, COULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN HERE? >> IT WAS A PARTICULARLY BRAZEN ACT BY THE ASSASSINS TO KILL HIM 1015 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,000 SPAIN, COULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN HERE? >> IT WAS A PARTICULARLY BRAZEN ACT BY THE ASSASSINS TO KILL HIM 1016 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,273 SPAIN, COULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN HERE? >> IT WAS A PARTICULARLY BRAZEN ACT BY THE ASSASSINS TO KILL HIM 1017 00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:36,000 IN HIS GARAGE OF HIS APARTMENT. YOU CAN NEVER RULE OUT, I THINK, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN IN ANY COUNTRY, GIVEN HOW 1018 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,647 IN HIS GARAGE OF HIS APARTMENT. YOU CAN NEVER RULE OUT, I THINK, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN IN ANY COUNTRY, GIVEN HOW 1019 00:58:37,714 --> 00:58:42,000 AGGRESSIVE RUSSIA'S INTELLIGENCE SERVICES HAVE BEEN. I WILL SAY THAT IT IS A FOCUS OF US IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND 1020 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,555 AGGRESSIVE RUSSIA'S INTELLIGENCE SERVICES HAVE BEEN. I WILL SAY THAT IT IS A FOCUS OF US IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND 1021 00:58:45,622 --> 00:58:48,000 THE FBI TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENT THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY. >> BUT THE SAME THING ALMOST DID 1022 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,694 THE FBI TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENT THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY. >> BUT THE SAME THING ALMOST DID 1023 00:58:51,761 --> 00:58:54,000 HAPPEN HERE IN MIAMI IN 2020. RUSSIAN DEFECTOR ALEKSANDER POTEYEV WAS FOLLOWED AND HIS CAR PHOTOGRAPHED IN HIS APARTMENT 1024 00:58:54,000 --> 00:59:00,000 HAPPEN HERE IN MIAMI IN 2020. RUSSIAN DEFECTOR ALEKSANDER POTEYEV WAS FOLLOWED AND HIS CAR PHOTOGRAPHED IN HIS APARTMENT 1025 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,137 HAPPEN HERE IN MIAMI IN 2020. RUSSIAN DEFECTOR ALEKSANDER POTEYEV WAS FOLLOWED AND HIS CAR PHOTOGRAPHED IN HIS APARTMENT 1026 00:59:01,204 --> 00:59:06,000 GARAGE IN THE MIAMI TRUMP TOWERS BY SOMEONE HIRED BY RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. IT WAS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE SAME 1027 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,243 GARAGE IN THE MIAMI TRUMP TOWERS BY SOMEONE HIRED BY RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. IT WAS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE SAME 1028 00:59:07,310 --> 00:59:12,000 PLAYBOOK AS THE KUZMINOV KILLING BUT HERE ON U.S. SOIL. >> WHAT IS CONCERNING TO YOU ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT 1029 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,484 PLAYBOOK AS THE KUZMINOV KILLING BUT HERE ON U.S. SOIL. >> WHAT IS CONCERNING TO YOU ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT 1030 00:59:14,550 --> 00:59:18,000 CASE? >> THE CONCERN IS THAT RUSSIA ACTUALLY TASKED SOMEONE TO LOCATE AND FIND THIS INDIVIDUAL. 1031 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,591 CASE? >> THE CONCERN IS THAT RUSSIA ACTUALLY TASKED SOMEONE TO LOCATE AND FIND THIS INDIVIDUAL. 1032 00:59:21,658 --> 00:59:24,000 THE OBVIOUS NEXT STEPS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY CARRY OUT SOME SORT OF OPERATION, BUT LUCKILY THAT WAS STOPPED BEFORE IT HAPPENED. 1033 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,764 THE OBVIOUS NEXT STEPS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY CARRY OUT SOME SORT OF OPERATION, BUT LUCKILY THAT WAS STOPPED BEFORE IT HAPPENED. 1034 00:59:27,830 --> 00:59:30,000 >> ALAN KOHLER RETIRED IN 2023 FROM THE FBI AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR INTELLIGENCE. HIS TEAM WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 1035 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,000 >> ALAN KOHLER RETIRED IN 2023 FROM THE FBI AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR INTELLIGENCE. HIS TEAM WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 1036 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:41,244 >> ALAN KOHLER RETIRED IN 2023 FROM THE FBI AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR INTELLIGENCE. HIS TEAM WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 1037 00:59:41,311 --> 00:59:42,000 POTEYEV INVESTIGATION. FUENTES STUDIED IN RUSSIA AND HAD A RUSSIAN FAMILY. >> RUSSIA PREVENTED HIS RUSSIAN 1038 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:48,000 POTEYEV INVESTIGATION. FUENTES STUDIED IN RUSSIA AND HAD A RUSSIAN FAMILY. >> RUSSIA PREVENTED HIS RUSSIAN 1039 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,852 POTEYEV INVESTIGATION. FUENTES STUDIED IN RUSSIA AND HAD A RUSSIAN FAMILY. >> RUSSIA PREVENTED HIS RUSSIAN 1040 00:59:49,919 --> 00:59:54,000 WIFE FROM LEAVING THE COUNTRY. IN EXCHANGE FOR COOPERATION ON THAT, HE AGREED TO CARRY OUT ACTS ON BEHALF OF THE SERVICES. 1041 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,995 WIFE FROM LEAVING THE COUNTRY. IN EXCHANGE FOR COOPERATION ON THAT, HE AGREED TO CARRY OUT ACTS ON BEHALF OF THE SERVICES. 1042 00:59:59,062 --> 01:00:00,000 THE MAIN WAS TO RENT AN APARTMENT IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN FLORIDA AND TO GO THERE AND LOCATE THE SOURCE'S 1043 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,000 THE MAIN WAS TO RENT AN APARTMENT IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN FLORIDA AND TO GO THERE AND LOCATE THE SOURCE'S 1044 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:06,836 THE MAIN WAS TO RENT AN APARTMENT IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN FLORIDA AND TO GO THERE AND LOCATE THE SOURCE'S 1045 01:00:06,903 --> 01:00:12,000 CAR. >> IN MIAMI, A SECURITY GUARD SAW FUENTES TAILGATING ANOTHER CAR. 1046 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,944 CAR. >> IN MIAMI, A SECURITY GUARD SAW FUENTES TAILGATING ANOTHER CAR. 1047 01:00:15,011 --> 01:00:18,000 FUENTES WAS ARRESTED AND ADMITTED HE WAS WORKING FOR RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. >> SO, IN THAT SITUATION, IT ALL 1048 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,819 FUENTES WAS ARRESTED AND ADMITTED HE WAS WORKING FOR RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. >> SO, IN THAT SITUATION, IT ALL 1049 01:00:22,885 --> 01:00:24,000 WORKED OUT. >> RIGHT. >> THERE WAS NO HARM DONE. THERE WAS AN ARREST. 1050 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,622 WORKED OUT. >> RIGHT. >> THERE WAS NO HARM DONE. THERE WAS AN ARREST. 1051 01:00:26,689 --> 01:00:30,000 DOES THAT CASE TELL YOU THAT RUSSIA IS THIS CLOSE FROM BEING ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF? >> OH, IT REALLY TELLS US RUSSIA 1052 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,896 DOES THAT CASE TELL YOU THAT RUSSIA IS THIS CLOSE FROM BEING ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF? >> OH, IT REALLY TELLS US RUSSIA 1053 01:00:33,963 --> 01:00:36,000 COULD PULL IT OFF IF THEY REALLY PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. THAT IS OUR CONCERN, 100%. FOR THAT SOURCE AND LOTS OF 1054 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,004 COULD PULL IT OFF IF THEY REALLY PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. THAT IS OUR CONCERN, 100%. FOR THAT SOURCE AND LOTS OF 1055 01:00:41,070 --> 01:00:42,000 OTHER PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES. >> SO, WHO WAS ALEKSANDER POTEYEV, THE MAN FUENTES WAS 1056 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:48,000 OTHER PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES. >> SO, WHO WAS ALEKSANDER POTEYEV, THE MAN FUENTES WAS 1057 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:48,778 OTHER PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES. >> SO, WHO WAS ALEKSANDER POTEYEV, THE MAN FUENTES WAS 1058 01:00:48,845 --> 01:00:53,282 TRACKING. THERE'S ONLY ONE KNOWN PICTURE OF HIM FROM HIS EARLY DAYS IN THE RUSSIAN ARMY. 1059 01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:54,000 BUT POTEYEV WAS A DOUBLE AGENT WORKING FOR THE U.S. IN 2010, A GROUP OF RUSSIAN SPIES WAS ROUNDED UP IN THE U.S. 1060 01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:00,000 BUT POTEYEV WAS A DOUBLE AGENT WORKING FOR THE U.S. IN 2010, A GROUP OF RUSSIAN SPIES WAS ROUNDED UP IN THE U.S. 1061 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,092 BUT POTEYEV WAS A DOUBLE AGENT WORKING FOR THE U.S. IN 2010, A GROUP OF RUSSIAN SPIES WAS ROUNDED UP IN THE U.S. 1062 01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:06,000 ALAN KOHLER LED THE FBI TEAM THAT SURVEILLED THEM FOR YEARS, AS THEY LIVED SEEMINGLY NORMAL LIVES, ALL WHILE SECRETLY 1063 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,166 ALAN KOHLER LED THE FBI TEAM THAT SURVEILLED THEM FOR YEARS, AS THEY LIVED SEEMINGLY NORMAL LIVES, ALL WHILE SECRETLY 1064 01:01:10,233 --> 01:01:12,000 PASSING INTELLIGENCE BACK TO MOSCOW. THE CASE WAS THE BASIS OF THE HIT TV SHOW, "THE AMERICANS." 1065 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,000 PASSING INTELLIGENCE BACK TO MOSCOW. THE CASE WAS THE BASIS OF THE HIT TV SHOW, "THE AMERICANS." 1066 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,241 PASSING INTELLIGENCE BACK TO MOSCOW. THE CASE WAS THE BASIS OF THE HIT TV SHOW, "THE AMERICANS." 1067 01:01:18,307 --> 01:01:24,000 >> WE WORK FOR OUR COUNTRY. >> THE SOVIET UNION. >> IN REAL LIFE, ALEKSANDER POTEYEV WAS THEIR BOSS AND RAN 1068 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,548 >> WE WORK FOR OUR COUNTRY. >> THE SOVIET UNION. >> IN REAL LIFE, ALEKSANDER POTEYEV WAS THEIR BOSS AND RAN 1069 01:01:25,615 --> 01:01:30,000 THE GROUP OF ILLEGAL AGENTS FROM MOSCOW UNTIL HE GAVE THEIR IDENTITIES AWAY TO U.S. INTELLIGENCE AND DEFECTED TO 1070 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,790 THE GROUP OF ILLEGAL AGENTS FROM MOSCOW UNTIL HE GAVE THEIR IDENTITIES AWAY TO U.S. INTELLIGENCE AND DEFECTED TO 1071 01:01:33,856 --> 01:01:36,000 MIAMI. FOR THAT, PUTIN WANTED HIM DEAD. SOURCES TELL "60 MINUTES" POTEYEV IS STILL ALIVE AND IN 1072 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:42,000 MIAMI. FOR THAT, PUTIN WANTED HIM DEAD. SOURCES TELL "60 MINUTES" POTEYEV IS STILL ALIVE AND IN 1073 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,433 MIAMI. FOR THAT, PUTIN WANTED HIM DEAD. SOURCES TELL "60 MINUTES" POTEYEV IS STILL ALIVE AND IN 1074 01:01:43,499 --> 01:01:48,000 HIDING. BUT KOHLER WARNING PUTIN IS CAPABLE OF KILLING AN ENEMY ON U.S. SOIL. 1075 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:48,971 HIDING. BUT KOHLER WARNING PUTIN IS CAPABLE OF KILLING AN ENEMY ON U.S. SOIL. 1076 01:01:49,038 --> 01:01:54,000 >> THE DECISION TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS A CALCULUS THAT HAS TO BE DONE INSIDE OF RUSSIA, AND THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE, IS THE 1077 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,678 >> THE DECISION TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS A CALCULUS THAT HAS TO BE DONE INSIDE OF RUSSIA, AND THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE, IS THE 1078 01:01:55,745 --> 01:02:00,000 SKPEFRT THE BLOWBACK THEY'RE GOING TO GET IN THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE WORTH THE ENCEMENTAL BENEFIT THAT THEY GET 1079 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,717 SKPEFRT THE BLOWBACK THEY'RE GOING TO GET IN THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE WORTH THE ENCEMENTAL BENEFIT THAT THEY GET 1080 01:02:01,784 --> 01:02:06,000 FROM KILLING A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL? >> KOHLER SAYS THE FBI HAS THE RESOURCES TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST 1081 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,123 FROM KILLING A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL? >> KOHLER SAYS THE FBI HAS THE RESOURCES TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST 1082 01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:12,000 RUSSIA AND THE UNITED STATES. BUT IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO STOP A DETERMINED ASSASSIN. >> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND 1083 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,197 RUSSIA AND THE UNITED STATES. BUT IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO STOP A DETERMINED ASSASSIN. >> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND 1084 01:02:14,263 --> 01:02:18,000 LIKE RUSSIA'S TEN FEET TALL AND BULLET PROOF, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT. BUT IT'S ALSO NOT HARD TO KILL 1085 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,269 LIKE RUSSIA'S TEN FEET TALL AND BULLET PROOF, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT. BUT IT'S ALSO NOT HARD TO KILL 1086 01:02:20,336 --> 01:02:24,000 SOMEBODY. TAKE UNITED STATES, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT LAND FROM 1087 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:24,907 SOMEBODY. TAKE UNITED STATES, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT LAND FROM 1088 01:02:24,974 --> 01:02:30,000 OVERSEAS EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE FBI AND DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, WE CAN'T TRACK EVERY ONE OF THOSE. 1089 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,581 OVERSEAS EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE FBI AND DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, WE CAN'T TRACK EVERY ONE OF THOSE. 1090 01:02:31,647 --> 01:02:36,000 YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD CARRY OUT THOSE ATTACKS WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANYBODY ELSE KNOWING ABOUT IT. 1091 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,054 YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD CARRY OUT THOSE ATTACKS WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANYBODY ELSE KNOWING ABOUT IT. 1092 01:02:38,121 --> 01:02:42,000 >> IF THE KREMLIN DID WANT AN OPPONENT KILLED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, WOULDN'T THEY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A SUICIDE? 1093 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,328 >> IF THE KREMLIN DID WANT AN OPPONENT KILLED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, WOULDN'T THEY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A SUICIDE? 1094 01:02:45,394 --> 01:02:48,000 >> THEY COULD. SURE. AND WE WOULD -- WE MAY NEVER KNOW. 1095 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:48,197 >> THEY COULD. SURE. AND WE WOULD -- WE MAY NEVER KNOW. 1096 01:02:48,264 --> 01:02:54,000 THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO HARD. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS WORK SO HARD, THE BUSINESS OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE, TRYING TO 1097 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:54,770 THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO HARD. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS WORK SO HARD, THE BUSINESS OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE, TRYING TO 1098 01:02:54,837 --> 01:03:00,000 COUNTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE TRYING TO DO, IS THEY DELIBERATELY TRY TO OBFUSCATE AND HIDE THEIR EFFORTS. 1099 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,000 COUNTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE TRYING TO DO, IS THEY DELIBERATELY TRY TO OBFUSCATE AND HIDE THEIR EFFORTS. 1100 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,751 COUNTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE TRYING TO DO, IS THEY DELIBERATELY TRY TO OBFUSCATE AND HIDE THEIR EFFORTS. 1101 01:03:08,818 --> 01:03:12,000 IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. >> THE WASHINGTON, D.C. DEATH OF A VOCAL PUTIN CRITIC NAMED DAN 1102 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,225 IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. >> THE WASHINGTON, D.C. DEATH OF A VOCAL PUTIN CRITIC NAMED DAN 1103 01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:18,000 RAPOPORT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE RUSSIA IS TRYING TO COVER ITS TRACKS. RAPOPORT WAS A FINANCIER FROM 1104 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:24,000 RAPOPORT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE RUSSIA IS TRYING TO COVER ITS TRACKS. RAPOPORT WAS A FINANCIER FROM 1105 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,702 RAPOPORT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE RUSSIA IS TRYING TO COVER ITS TRACKS. RAPOPORT WAS A FINANCIER FROM 1106 01:03:26,769 --> 01:03:30,000 LATVIA WITH TIES TO RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. HE DIED AFTER FALLING HIS APARTMENT BUILDING. 1107 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,000 LATVIA WITH TIES TO RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. HE DIED AFTER FALLING HIS APARTMENT BUILDING. 1108 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,880 LATVIA WITH TIES TO RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. HE DIED AFTER FALLING HIS APARTMENT BUILDING. 1109 01:03:37,947 --> 01:03:42,000 CAUGHT ON CAMERA. RAPOPORT'S MANNER OF DEATH IS STILL CONSIDERED UNDETERMINED BY D.C. POLICE, AND THE CASE IS 1110 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,321 CAUGHT ON CAMERA. RAPOPORT'S MANNER OF DEATH IS STILL CONSIDERED UNDETERMINED BY D.C. POLICE, AND THE CASE IS 1111 01:03:45,388 --> 01:03:48,000 STILL OPEN. RETIRED FBI AGENT ALAN KOHLER TOLD US D.C. AUTHORITIES NEVER BRIEFED HIM ON THE CASE WHEN HE 1112 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,360 STILL OPEN. RETIRED FBI AGENT ALAN KOHLER TOLD US D.C. AUTHORITIES NEVER BRIEFED HIM ON THE CASE WHEN HE 1113 01:03:51,427 --> 01:03:54,000 WAS THE HEAD OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE. >> MY TAKEAWAY FROM RUSSIA RIGHT NOW IS THE U.S. TOOK ITS EYE OFF 1114 01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,000 WAS THE HEAD OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE. >> MY TAKEAWAY FROM RUSSIA RIGHT NOW IS THE U.S. TOOK ITS EYE OFF 1115 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:00,403 WAS THE HEAD OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE. >> MY TAKEAWAY FROM RUSSIA RIGHT NOW IS THE U.S. TOOK ITS EYE OFF 1116 01:04:00,469 --> 01:04:06,000 OF RUSSIA AFTER 9/11 WHEN WE ALL PIVOTED AND REALLY THE WORLD PIVOTED TOWARD COUNTERTERRORISM. TO DISMISS THEM AS AN 1117 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,644 OF RUSSIA AFTER 9/11 WHEN WE ALL PIVOTED AND REALLY THE WORLD PIVOTED TOWARD COUNTERTERRORISM. TO DISMISS THEM AS AN 1118 01:04:08,711 --> 01:04:12,000 INTELLIGENCE THREAT WOULD BE UNWISE FOR ALL OF US TO DO. >> THEY'RE STILL AT IT IN A VERY DANGEROUS WAY. 1119 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,449 INTELLIGENCE THREAT WOULD BE UNWISE FOR ALL OF US TO DO. >> THEY'RE STILL AT IT IN A VERY DANGEROUS WAY. 1120 01:04:13,516 --> 01:04:17,987 >> THEY'RE STILL AT IT IN A VERY DANGEROUS WAY. THE SAME PEOPLE ARE STILL IN CHARGE. 1121 01:04:18,054 --> 01:04:24,000 THEY HAVE THE SAME CAPABILITIES AND THE INTENT TO DO ALL THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST. >> IT LOOKS LIKE PUTIN HAS BEEN 1122 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:24,260 THEY HAVE THE SAME CAPABILITIES AND THE INTENT TO DO ALL THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST. >> IT LOOKS LIKE PUTIN HAS BEEN 1123 01:04:24,327 --> 01:04:30,000 ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THIS. HAS HE? >> IN MANY WAYS, YES. SO, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO POISON AND 1124 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:30,233 ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THIS. HAS HE? >> IN MANY WAYS, YES. SO, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO POISON AND 1125 01:04:30,299 --> 01:04:36,000 KILL HIS WAY AROUND THE WORLD FOR OVER A DECADE NOW WITH JUST SOME SANCTIONS PUT ON HIS GOVERNMENT. 1126 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,341 KILL HIS WAY AROUND THE WORLD FOR OVER A DECADE NOW WITH JUST SOME SANCTIONS PUT ON HIS GOVERNMENT. 1127 01:04:38,407 --> 01:04:42,000 BUT HE'S STILL IN CHARGE, AND HIS BEHAVIOR HASN'T CHANGED. DID HE GET AWAY WITH IT? I MEAN, I THINK AN OBJECTIVE 1128 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,714 BUT HE'S STILL IN CHARGE, AND HIS BEHAVIOR HASN'T CHANGED. DID HE GET AWAY WITH IT? I MEAN, I THINK AN OBJECTIVE 1129 01:04:44,780 --> 01:04:48,000 OBSERVER HAS TO SAY, YES. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] 1130 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,988 OBSERVER HAS TO SAY, YES. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] 1131 01:04:55,658 --> 01:05:00,000 >>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES." 1132 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,596 >>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."