[ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> THIS PAST MONTH, WE WERE VITED BY THE BUNDESWEHR, THE GERMAN MILITARY, TO OBSERVE
BASIC TRAINING, AS A SQUAD OF RECRUITS RAN PUNISHING DRILLS, HONING THE SKILLS THEY WOULD NEED TO DEFEND AGAINST AN ENEMY
ASSAULT. >> EVERYTHING WE ARE TRAINING HERE FOR COULD BE ONE DAY BE REAL.
WE DON'T HOPE THAT. BUT WE'RE PREPARING EXACTLY FOR THAT. >> BECAUSE OF THE WAR IN
UKRAINE? >> YES OF COURSE. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> A NEW CLASS OF DRUGS CAN
SAVE THE LIVES OF CHILDREN LIKE MAISIE. OUBLE IS, ONE DOSE COSTS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
>> IT WAS CHEAPER FOR HER TO DIE. THEY WERE BANKING ON HER DYING. >> NEITHER HEALTH INSURANCE NOR
GOVERNMENT HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO PAY FOR THE NEXT WAVE OF MIRACLE MEDICINES. >> I LIKEN IT TO A COMING
TSUNAMI, WHICH IS BASICALLY GONNA OVERWHELM THE EMPLOYER- SPONSORED INSURANCE SYSTEM. >>> INDIANA ENTERED THIS SEASON
AS THE LOSINGEST PROGRAM IN MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL HISTORY -- MORE THAN 700 DEFEATS. SO IMAGINE THE ASTONISHMENT
LAST WEEKEND WHEN THE HOOSIERS TOOK DOWN THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, UNBEATEN OHIO STATE, TO WIN THE BIG TEN
TITLE. HOW'D THEY DO IT? >> YOU GOTTA ADAPT, ADJUST AND IMPROVISE.
>> TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YA. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND IN OUR LAST MINUTE, REACHING A NEW HIGH, TONIGHT ON
"60 MINUTES." [ STOPWA
> THIS PAST WEEK, UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY RE-ASSERTED HE DOESN'T WANT TO SURRENDER ANY TERRITORY IN
EXCHANGE FOR PEACE WITH RUSSIA A DECLARATION THAT FOLLOWED EARLIER WARNINGS FROM RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN THAT
IF EUROPE ENGAGED IN A WIDER WAR, IT WOULD BE DEFEATED. NEARLY FOUR YEARS IN, THE CONFLICT CONTINUES TO SEND
SHOCKWAVES THROUGH THE WESTERN ALLIANCE. EUROPEAN NATIONS ARE BEEFING UP THEIR DEFENSES.
NOWHERE IS THE IMPACT MORE PROFOUND THAN IN GERMANY. SCARRED BY THEIR COUNTRY'S NAZI PAST, GERMANS EMBRACED PACIFISM
AFTER THE COLD WAR. DEFENSE SPENDING COLLAPSED TO THE POINT SOME SOLDIERS WERE BUYING THEIR OWN GEAR.
BUT RUSSIA'S FULL-SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE COMBINED WITH PERSISTENT PRESSURE FROM PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FOR
EUROPE TO SHOULDER MORE OF ITS OWN DEFENSE TRANSFORMED THE LANDSCAPE. TODAY, GERMANY IS RACING TO
REARM. THIS PAST MONTH, WE WERE INVITED BY THE BUNDESWEHR, THE GERMAN MILITARY, TO OBSERVE
BASIC TRAINING AT THE MUNSTER ARMY BASE IN NORTHWEST GERMANY. A SQUAD OF RECRUITS RAN PUNISHING DRILLS, HONING THE
SKILLS THEY WOULD NEED TO DEFEND THEIR POSITION AGAINST AN ENEMY ASSAULT. THE MAJOR IN CHARGE -- HAS BEEN
TRAINING TROOPS SINCE 2018. THE BUNDESWEHR WON'T REVEAL HIS NAME TO SHIELD HIS IDENTITY FROM HOSTILE ACTORS.
>> SO HAVE YOU SEEN A DIFFERENCE IN THE RECRUITS OF TODAY VERSUS YEARS PAST? >> YES I THINK THERE'S A HUGE
DIFFERENCE. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR, AND IT'S GETTING MORE CLEAR TO THEM THAT EVERYTHING
WE ARE TRAINING HERE FOR COULD BE ONE DAY REAL. WE DON'T HOPE THAT. BUT WE'RE PREPARING EXACTLY FOR
THAT. >> BECAUSE OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE? >> YES, OF COURSE, YEAH.
>> THE WAR IN UKRAINE HAS SHAKEN GERMANY'S SENSE OF SECURITY, BUT THE COUNTRY IS ALSO SHAKING OFF THE SHADOWS OF
ITS BRUTAL MILITARY PAST. THIS HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL IN BERLIN A STARK REMINDER OF THAT HISTORY STANDS CLOSE BY
THE REICHSTAG, WHERE THE NATIONAL PARLIAMENT IS MOVING TO RESTORE GERMANY'S MILITARY AS EUROPE'S MOST POWERFUL
FORCE. DEFENSE MINISTER BORIS PISTORIUS HAS OVERSEEN A 23% UPTICK IN ENLISTMENTS OVER LAST
YEAR. >> HOW IS THE WAR IN UKRAINE CHANGING GERMANY'S VIEW OF ITS OWN SECURITY?
>> I GREW UP IN THE COLD WAR. AND SINCE FEBRUARY 2022, WE ALL EXPERIENCE IN -- IN GERMANY AND IN EUROPE THAT THE WAR IS BACK.
WE NEVER EXPECTED THAT. AND WE WERE SO HOPEFUL THAT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. BUT IT DOES.
AND WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO BE ABLE TO DETER AND DEFEND. >> PISTORIUS WAS APPOINTED DEFENSE MINISTER IN 2023,
ALMOST A YEAR AFTER RUSSIA'S LARGE-SCALE ASSAULT ON UKRAINE. WHEN CONSERVATIVE FRIEDRICH MERZ BECAME CHANCELLOR THIS
PAST MAY, HE KEPT PISTORIUS, THE BLUNT TALKING SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, IN HIS POST. >> I MEAN YOU -- YOU HAVE TO BE
CLEAR IN WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT ARE YOU STANDING FOR. >> WE MET HIM AT THE BENDLERBLOCK.
THE BERLIN BUILDING COMPLEX ONCE HOUSED THE NAZI'S ARMY HIGH COMMAND. TODAY IT'S GERMANY'S EQUIVALENT
OF THE PENTAGON. WHEN WE SPOKE WITH PISTORIUS THIS PAST MONTH, HE DIDN'T PULL ANY PUNCHES ON RUSSIAN
PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S AMBITIONS. >> THERE IS NOT ONLY THE WAR AGAINST UKRAINE.
THIS IS A WAR AGAINST RULE- BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER. AND -- AT THE SAME TIME, HE DOES NOT STOP STRESSING WHAT
HE'S REALLY LONGING FOR -- LIKE, A RENAISSANCE OF THE SOVIET EMPIRE. HE WANTS TO BE THE DOMINANT
POWER IN EUROPE. AND HE WANTS TO BE THE THIRD -- OF THREE WORLD POWERS LIKE CHINA AND THE U.S. THIS IS WHAT
HE IS -- WHAT HE IS HEADING FOR. >> PISTORIUS WARNS PUTIN IS RAPIDLY REBUILDING RUSSIA'S
MILITARY AND HE TOLD US RUSSIA COULD BE IN POSITION TO ATTACK THE WEST BY THE END OF THE DECADE.
>> WHEN DOES GERMANY NEED TO BE READY FOR WAR? >> WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING TO BE THAT IN 2029.
THIS IS OUR OBJECTIVE. THIS IS STILL A WAY TO GO. >> THREE DAYS AFTER RUSSIA'S 2022 INVASION OF UKRAINE, THEN
CHANCELLOR OLAF SCHOLZ TOLD THE BUNDESTAG, GERMANY'S PARLIAMENT, THE INCURSION MARKED A ZEITENWENDE A
TURNING POINT FOR EUROPE. HE ANNOUNCED A SPECIAL 100- BILLION EURO FUND TO KICK-START GERMANY'S MILITARY BUILDUP.
THREE YEARS LATER IN THE RUN UP TO HIS ELECTION AS CHANCELLOR, FRIEDRICH MERZ SAID HE WAS TROUBLED AS WELL BY PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S THREATS TO PULL BACK FROM NATO. >> Translator: MY ABSOLUTE PRIORITY WILL BE TO STRENGTHEN
EUROPE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT, STEP BY STEP, WE CAN REALLY ACHIEVE INDEPENDENCE FROM THE USA.
>> YOU'RE GAMBLING WITH WORLD WAR III. >> AFTER THIS CONTENTIOUS OVAL OFFICE MEETING WITH PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY THIS PAST FEBRUARY, FRIEDRICH MERZ POSTED "WE MUST NEVER CONFUSE AGGRESSOR AND VICTIM IN THIS TERRIBLE WAR"
AND HE PUSHED PARLIAMENT TO EXEMPT DEFENSE SPENDING FROM GERMANY'S DEBT BRAKE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED
SPENDING CAP. THE MONEY STARTED FLOWING. THE DEFENSE BUDGET IS PROJECTED TO RISE ALMOST 80% BY 2029.
>> HOW BIG SHOULD THE GERMAN MILITARY BE? >> GERMANY IS THIRD BIGGEST -- ECONOMY IN THE WORLD AND THE
BIGGEST ONE IN EUROPE, OF COURSE. SO EVERYBODY IN EUROPE EXPECTS US TO BE THE STRONGEST ALLY IN
NATO IN EUROPE. >> WITH THE SURGE OF FEDERAL FUNDING, THE LONG MORIBUND GERMAN DEFENSE INDUSTRY IS
SPRINGING BACK TO LIFE. >> THE DRONES ARE THE FUTURE OF WARFARE. >> WE MET SVEN KRUCK IN BERLIN.
HE IS CO-CEO OF DRONE MANUFACTURER QUANTUM SYSTEMS. THE COMPANY, WITH FACTORIES IN GERMANY AND UKRAINE, JUST
LANDED A 25 MILLION EURO CONTRACT WITH THE BUNDESWEHR TO PRODUCE UP TO 750 INTELLIGENCE, SURVEILLANCE AND RECONNAISSANCE
DRONES, ISR FOR SHORT. >> WE HAVE NOW MORE THAN 1,500 AT THE BATTLEFRONT DAY BY DAY IN USE.
>> 1,500 DRONES -- >> DRONES. DRONES. IN USE IN UKRAINE DAY BY DAY,
NIGHT BY NIGHT. >> DRONES, INCLUDING QUANTUM'S, HAVE HELPED RESHAPE THE BATTLEFIELD.
A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE 2022 INVASION, RUSSIAN FORCES TRIED TO CROSS THE DONETS RIVER IN EASTERN UKRAINE.
EXPLOSIONS AND SMOKE OBSCURED THEIR MOVEMENTS. A QUANTUM DRONE, EQUIPPED WITH A THERMAL CAMERA, HELPED
UKRAINE SEE, TARGET AND STOP THE ADVANCE. >> AND THIS ACTUALLY WAS OUR MOMENT WHERE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN
QUANTUM SYSTEMS AND -- ESPECIALLY ISR DRONES CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> KRUCK TOLD US GERMANY ISN'T
INVESTING ENOUGH IN CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGIES. BUT WE SAW EVIDENCE THE DEFENSE MINISTRY IS THINKING OUTSIDE
THE BOX -- WAY OUTSIDE THE BOX. IT'S FUNDING TESTS TO SEE IF THESE GIANT MADAGASCAR HISSING COCKROACHES CAN BE REPURPOSED
FROM REPULSIVE PESTS TO MINIATURE BATTLEFIELD ASSETS. >> THIS IS A LEFT TURN AND THIS IS RIGHT TURN.
>> STEFAN WILHELM'S YEAR OLD STARTUP, SWARM BIOTACTICS IN CENTRAL GERMANY, IS WORKING WITH THE BUNDESWEHR TO DEVELOP
TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN STEER THE CREEPY CRITTERS AUTONOMOUSLY AND SEND THEM ON RECONNAISSANCE MISSIONS.
HE LET ME TAKE CONTROL. >> WOW. >> THEY'RE SUPER RESILIENT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN THEY
CAN CRAWL THROUGH TINY SPACES, CAN GO UP THE WALL -- INTO PIPES, LIKE UNDERGROUND AND RUBBLE.
>> YOU KNOW THIS IS REALLY BIZARRE? >> IS IT? >> SWARM'S INSECT
NEUROSCIENTISTS ATTACH ELECTRODES TO THE ROACHES' ANTENNAE THEY INSIST THIS DOESN'T HURT STIMULATING
THEIR NATURAL ABILITY TO NAVIGATE. THE ELECTRODES ARE HIDDEN IN THESE BUG-SIZE BACKPACKS, ALONG
WITH A BATTERY AND MICROCHIPS. THEY'RE WORKING TO SHRINK THE TECHNOLOGY TO SOON LOOK LIKE THIS.
SWARM'S A-I GENERATED VIDEO SHOWS HOW THEY MIGHT BE DEPLOYED CARRYING CAMERAS, MICROPHONES, AND DOPPLER RADAR
INTO WAR ZONES. >> RIGHT NOW WE'RE HEARING THAT RUSSIA IS REARMING ITSELF. THEY'VE GOT MORE TANKS, MORE
ARMAMENTS. HOW DOES THIS COMPETE? >> WE HAVE TO BE SMARTER. WE HAVE TO USE INTELLIGENCE.
WE HAVE TO USE AUTONOMY -- BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL OR ENOUGH EQUIPMENT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT RUSSIA
PRODUCES RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK THIS IS A SHIFT YOU SEE IN -- IN -- IN THE GERMAN -- STARTUPS.
>> STILL, GERMANY IS PLACING A BIG BET N ITS BIGGEST DEFENSE CONTRACTOR, RHEINMETALL. A MAJOR ARMS SUPPLIER TO GERMAN
TROOPS IN BOTH WORLD WARS, RHEINMETALL AND ITS SUBSIDIARIES HAVE WON A COMMANDING SHARE OF RECENT
GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS. >> WE ARE THE FASTEST-GROWING DEFENSE COMPANY IN EUROPE AT THE MOMENT.
>> ARMIN PAPPERGER HAS BEEN CEO SINCE 2013. PRAGMATIC, FORCEFUL, STRATEGIC, HE BUILT RHEINMETALL INTO A
PILLAR OF NATO REARMAMENT. >> RHEINMETALL WAS AN AMMUNITION COMPANY. IT'S GOING FROM AMMUNITIONS TO
VEHICLE PLATFORMS. BUT NOW WE GO TO DIGITIZATION. WE GO TO SATELLITE BUSINESS. WE GO TO NAVAL BUSINESS.
>> HIS COMPANY'S SUCCESS AND SUPPORT OF UKRAINE MADE HIM THE TARGET OF A RUSSIAN ASSASSINATION PLOT, BUT THAT
DIDN'T SLOW HIM OR THE COMPANY DOWN. RHEINMETALL IS BUILDING AND EXPANDING THIRTEEN ARMS
FACTORIES ACROSS EUROPE. >> WE EDUCATED TWO GENERATIONS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE WORLD WE CALL WASHINGTON, AND
WASHINGTON WILL HELP US. THAT CHANGED. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID IT VERY CLEAR.
AMERICA HAS HER OWN PROBLEMS. THE EUROPEANS HAS TO HELP THEMSELF. AND NOW WITH THE UKRAINIAN-
RUSSIAN WAR, IT'S VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO DO MORE. >> IN 2024, GERMANY BEGAN
SENDING ITS 45th ARMOURED BRIGADE 5,000 TROOPS TO LITHUANIA, ONCE BRUTALLY OCCUPIED BY THE NAZIS.
LITHUANIA NOW WELCOMES GERMAN TROOPS BOLSTERING NATO'S EASTERN FLANK, GERMANY'S FIRST PERMANENT DEPLOYMENT OF A
COMBAT READY BRIGADE ABROAD SINCE WORLD WAR II. DESPITE THE UPTICK IN ENLISTMENTS, THE BUNDESWEHR
FACES A MANPOWER CHALLENGE. IT WANTS TO ADD ABOUT 75,000 ACTIVE DUTY TROOPS TO ITS ALL- VOLUNTEER FORCE BY 2035.
HISTORY WEIGHS ON RECRUITMENT. THE ISSUE STILL SPARKS PROTESTS. A RECENT POLL FOUND AN
OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF 15 TO 25 YEAR OLDS WOULD NOT TAKE UP ARMS. IF VOLUNTEER NUMBERS FALL
SHORT, THE GOVERNMENT MAY REINTRODUCE THE DRAFT. SOLDIERS WE MET IN BASIC TRAINING TOLD US THEY FIND THE
RELUCTANCE OF THEIR GENERATION TO VOLUNTEER TROUBLING. >> I THINK A LOT OF IT MUST HAVE TO DO WITH THE HISTORY OF
WORLD WAR II. >> Translator: YES, OF COURSE. >> PRIVATE LASSE TOLD US HE'S PROUD TO SERVE.
>> Translator: NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO WAR. BUT IF IT HAPPENS, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO DEFEND YOUR
COUNTRY. >> THE WEEK BEFORE WE SPOKE TO DEFENSE MINISTER BORIS PISTORIUS, HE PRESIDED OVER A
PUBLIC SWEARING IN OF NEW RECRUITS IN BERLIN. >> DEUTSCHLAND, DEUTSCHLAND, DEUTSCHLAND!
>> DEUTSCHLAND THEY SHOUTED. THE WORLD HASN'T HEARD GERMANY ASSERT ITSELF LIKE THIS SINCE WWII.
BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REBUILDING THE GERMAN MILITARY, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO
RECOIL AT THAT THOUGHT? >> I TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT, IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE, IN FREEDOM, SECURITY -- WITH A
RIGHT TO GO ON THE STREET AND TO DEMONSTRATE AGAINST OR FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT, TO LOVE HOWEVER TO WANT, AND YOU TO
BELIEVE IN ANY GOD YOU WANT, THEN YOU NEED TO BE WILLING TO DEFEND IT. BECAUSE, OTHERWISE, THERE MIGHT
BE PEOPLE LIKE VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO WILL TAKE THAT KIND OF LIVING AWAY FROM US.
r cooled.
>>> A NEW CLASS OF DRUGS IS SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN WHO ONCE HAD NO HOPE. THESE HIGH-TECH MEDICINES CAN
REPLACE DEFECTIVE GENES. BUT THERE'S A CATCH. MANY COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A SINGLE DOSE.
AND AMERICAN HEALTHCARE HASN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO PAY. WE WONDERED HOW MEDICINE COULD BE PRICED SO HIGH AND HOW
INSURANCE PLANS COULD REFUSE A LIFE SAVING TREATMENT. SO WE ASKED THE PEOPLE YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET.
A DRUG MAKER WHOSE COMPANY CHARGES THREE MILLION FOR ITS MEDICATION, A CEO WHOSE INSURANCE PLAN WON'T PAY, AND A
MOTHER NAMED CIJI GREEN. CIJI WAS OVERJOYED THAT A NEW DRUG COULD SAVE THE LIFE OF HER DAUGHTER, MAISIE, UNTIL SHE
FOUND NO ONE WOULD PAY THE PRICE OF LIFE. TINY MAISIE WAS BORN IN 2017. CIJI GREEN SAYS, THAT FROM THE
START, HER DAUGHTER WAS MYSTERIOUSLY ILL. >> WHEN YOU BROUGHT MAISIE HOME, WHAT DID YOU BEGIN TO
NOTICE? >> INITIALLY, SHE JUST SOUNDED LIKE SHE HAD A COLD ALL THE TIME.
SHE JUST SOUNDED REALLY CONGESTED. AND AFTER -- I'D SAY, LIKE, TWO WEEKS I NOTICED THAT MAISIE,
LIKE, WASN'T HOLDING HER HEAD AT ALL. SHE WAS JUST LIKE JELLO. HER HEAD, LIKE NECK, WAS LIKE
JELLO. AND HER HEAD WOULD JUST FLOP. >> CIJI HAD A FEELING SOMETHING WAS TERRIBLY WRONG SOMETHING
DOCTORS COULDN'T NAME UNTIL ONE TOOK A BLOOD SAMPLE TO TEST FOR SPINAL MUSCULAR ATROPHY SMA. >> AND SHE LEFT WITH THE BLOOD,
AND SHE CAME BACK, AND SHE GOES, "YOU HEARD ME WHEN I SAID WE'RE TESTING FOR SMA?" AND I SAID, "YES.
I HEARD." AND SHE GOES, "DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?" AND I GO, "NO."
AND SHE PUT HER HAND OUT, AND I SAID, "PLEASE DON'T TOUCH ME. PLEASE DON'T TOUCH ME," 'CAUSE I KNEW -- I KNEW EVERYTHING I
HAD BEEN FEELING. "PLEASE DON'T TOUCH ME." I SAID, "WHAT CAN -- WHAT CAN WE DO?
WHAT CAN YOU DO?" AND SHE SHOOK HER HEAD. AND SHE SAID, "LOVE HER AND SQUEEZE HER."
>> A MISSING GENE CAUSED MAISIE'S MUSCLES TO WASTE AWAY. SMA IS OFTEN FATAL BY AGE 2. THEN, JUST IN TIME, IN 2019,
SOMETHING LIKE A MIRACLE WAS APPROVED BY THE FDA. JUST ONE DOSE OF A DRUG CALLED ZOLGENSMA CAN REPLACE THE GENE
TO STOP THE DISEASE. BUT THE DOSE IS $2 MILLION. MAISIE WAS ON HER STATE'S MEDICAID.
THE INSURANCE COMPANY THAT MANAGED MEDICAID SAID IT WOULD NOT PAY. >> I BECAME VERY ANGRY, TO
KNOW, THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP HER. AND I KNEW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT I WAS BURYING MY
DAUGHTER BEFORE SHE WAS 2. IT WAS CHEAPER FOR HER TO DIE. THEY WERE BANKING ON HER DYING. >> MAISIE'S STORY IS A VIEW ON
WHAT'S COMING TO AMERICAN HEALTHCARE. BECAUSE, TODAY, THERE ARE MORE THAN 300 HIGH-COST GENETIC
THERAPIES IN CLINICAL TRIALS SOME FOR DISEASES SUFFERED BY MILLIONS OF PATIENTS. >> I LIKEN IT TO A COMING
TSUNAMI, WHICH IS BASICALLY GONNA OVERWHELM THE EMPLOYER- SPONSORED INSURANCE SYSTEM. >> FEW KNOW HEALTHCARE FINANCE
AS WELL AS JONATHAN GRUBER. HE'S CHAIR OF ECONOMICS AT MIT AND AN ARCHITECT OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE GENETIC CELL AND GENE THERAPIES THAT TREAT CANCER OR HEART DISEASE, WHICH ARE MUCH MORE
COMMON? THAT'S WHEN THE TSUNAMI HITS, AND WE'RE THREATENED TO BE UNDER WATER.
>> WHAT PROBLEMS ARE THE HIGH PRICES ALREADY CAUSING TODAY? >> THE FIRST PROBLEM IS THAT MANY COMPANIES IN AMERICA ARE
WHAT WE CALL SELF-INSURED. THEY PAY THEIR OWN MEDICAL BILLS. ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THE INSURED
IN AMERICA ARE IN SUCH ARRANGEMENTS. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THIS, SO THEY'RE FACING A DIFFICULT
FINANCIAL DECISION, WHICH IS, "DO I COVER THIS DRUG AND POTENTIALLY GO BANKRUPT? OR DO I NOT HELP MY UNLUCKY
EMPLOYEE?" >> THAT'S THE PAINFUL QUESTION MIKE POORE FACED. >> IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT ONLY
THE RICH CAN AFFORD THE BEST CARE. >> POORE IS CEO OF MOSAIC LIFE CARE, A NON-PROFIT HOSPITAL
SYSTEM IN MISSOURI WITH ABOUT 5,000 EMPLOYEES. IN 2023, MOSAIC DECIDED NOT TO COVER GENE THERAPIES BECAUSE
MIKE POORE TOLD US, EMPLOYEE PREMIUMS WOULD JUMP $125 A MONTH. BUT A FEW MONTHS LATER, AN
EMPLOYEE HAD TWINS WITH SMA LIKE MAISIE. >> AND THE GENE THERAPY FOR THE TWINS WOULD BE $4.2 MILLION.
>> YES. >> DENIED COVERAGE, THE FAMILY WENT PUBLIC AND BLAMED MOSAIC. >> I GOT DEATH THREATS.
MY FAMILY -- WAS THREATENED. >> WHAT DID YOU DO TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY? >> ACTUALLY SENT THEM AWAY AND
DECIDED TO YOU KNOW STAY ON AT THE HOSPITAL AND THEN JUST WORK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHILDREN GOT THE CARE THEY
NEEDED. >> FROM THE MOMENT HIS HEALTH PLAN DENIED THE CLAIM, MIKE POORE APPEALED TO
PHILANTHROPISTS AND LEGISLATORS. FINALLY, STATE MEDICAID PAID TO TREAT THE TWINS.
>> WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ONE SITUATION. BUT IT IS A BELLWETHER OF WHAT
IS TO COME. EVERY NEW GENE THERAPY BREAKS A RECORD FOR THE MOST EXPENSIVE DRUG EVER.
>> YOU SEEM TO BE SAYING THERE'S A STORM COMING. >> THERE'S DEFINITELY A STORM COMING.
>> WHO CHARGES MILLIONS FOR A DRUG? DOUG INGRAM IS AMONG THEM. THE CEO OF SAREPTA THERAPEUTICS
TOOK US INTO A FREEZER AT 4 DEGREES BELOW ZERO WHERE HE STORES ELEVIDYS WHICH COSTS $3.2 MILLION FOR ONE DOSE,
WHICH MAY BE ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO SLOW DUCHENNE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY -- A MUSCLE WASTING DISEASE THAT CONFRONTS PARENTS
WITH THIS PROGNOSIS. >> THEY'RE ALWAYS TOLD, "YOUR BOY HAS DUCHENNE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. GO HOME, LOVE HIM, BECAUSE THIS DISEASE IS GONNA STEAL HIM FROM
YOU BIT BY BIT, DAY BY DAY, AND HE WILL DIE. AND YOU GOTTA GET USED TO THAT."
>> PEOPLE HEAR $3.2 MILLION FOR YOUR DRUG, AND THEY THINK, "GREED." >> HERE'S WHAT THEY SHOULD
THINK. SO, FIRST OF ALL, IF THE QUESTION IS, "IS THIS THE RIGHT PRICE, OR ONLY PRICE, AND CAN
SOCIETY AFFORD THIS?" YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME SAY THAT IT ABSOLUTELY IS AND SOCIETY ABSOLUTELY CAN AFFORD
IT. AND WE'LL GO INTO THAT. IF YOU'RE ASKING ME WHETHER THIS IS THE SORT OF PRICE THAT
WE SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH AND SATISFIED IN THE LONG TERM WITH GENE THERAPIES IN GENETIC MEDICINE, I'M GONNA TELL YOU
ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> INGRAM'S COMPANY USES AN ENGINEERED GENE THAT INSTRUCTS THE CHILD'S CELLS TO MAKE A
PROTEIN TO PROTECT THE MUSCLES. A MODIFIED VIRUS CARRIES THE GENE TO THE CELLS. DEVELOPMENT TOOK 18 YEARS.
>> SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS COULD YOU EVEN DO THIS AND DO THIS SAFELY? THE SECOND QUESTION THAT WAS
OBVIOUS IS IF YOU COULD, YOU HAVE TO MANUFACTURE THIS STUFF. AND AT THE MOMENT IN TIME WE DID THE CALCULATION YOU NEEDED
MORE GENE THERAPY MANUFACTURING CAPACITY THAN ALL OF THE CAPACITY THAT EXISTS ON THE PLANET EARTH, AT THE TIME.
EVERY COMPANY, EVERY RESEARCH FACILITY, EVERY UNIVERSITY. AND WE'D NEVER MADE A VIAL OF ANYTHING THAT LOOKED LIKE A
GENE THERAPY AT THAT MOMENT. AND THE NEXT THING, YOU'D HAVE TO RAISE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. YOU HAVE TO GO TO INVESTORS AND
PAINT A PICTURE OF THE FUTURE AND LITERALLY RAISE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO THIS. WE DIDN'T HAVE BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS. >> IT TOOK $3 BILLION TO CREATE ELEVIDYS, ACCORDING TO INGRAM. ONE OF HIS CHALLENGES NOW IS
RECOUPING THAT INVESTMENT IN A RARE DISEASE THAT HAS ONLY ABOUT 15,000 PATIENTS IN THE U.S. INGRAM SAYS THE PRICE WILL
COME DOWN WITH MANUFACTURING EXPERIENCE, FUTURE COMPETITION AND, IN HIS VIEW, STREAMLINED FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
>> TODAY, ON AVERAGE, IT TAKES MORE THAN TEN YEARS TO DEVELOP A THERAPY. IT COSTS NEARLY $3 BILLION ON
AVERAGE TO MAKE A THERAPY. AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT JOURNEY, THE PROBABILITY OF IT BEING SUCCESSFUL IS NEARLY
ZERO. AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, OF COURSE THERAPIES WHEN THEY'RE EVENTUALLY APPROVED ARE GOING
TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIX THAT. WE'VE HAD 60-70 YEARS OF
LAYERING AND LAYERING AND LAYERING OF REQUIREMENTS, ALL FOR THE LAUDABLE GOAL OF ENSURING THAT THE THERAPIES
THAT ARE APPROVED IN THE UNITED STATES ARE BOTH SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. WE HAVE TO DO THE HARD WORK OF
GETTING UNDER THAT AND STRIPPING IT DOWN TO THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, INFORMED BY THE
SCIENCE THAT WE HAVE TODAY, NOT THE SCIENCE WE HAD IN THE '60s, AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THERAPIES LESS THAN $3 BILLION
WITH A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS. >> DESPITE MIXED RESULTS, THE FDA APPROVED ELEVIDYS.
ABOUT 1100 PATIENTS HAVE BEEN TREATED. TWO DIED OF LIVER FAILURE. ABOUT HALF OF THE PATIENTS WERE
COVERED BY MEDICAID. IT'S TOO SOON TO FULLY EVALUATE HOW WELL ELEVIDYS IS WORKING. BUT THE VIAL DOUG INGRAM SHOWED
US WAS MADE FOR A BOY NAMED LEIGHTON. AND MONTHS AFTER HIS TREATMENT, LEIGHTON'S PARENTS TOLD US HE
IS, QUOTE, "THRIVING", "STRONGER", AND "MORE INDEPENDENT." >> IS THERE A BAD GUY IN THIS
EQUATION? EMPLOYERS WHO WON'T PAY, DRUG COMPANIES THAT ARE CHARGING ENORMOUS FEES FOR THESE DRUGS?
>> THE MANUFACTURER IS NOT THE BAD GUY. THE COMPANY'S NOT THE BAD GUY. REALLY, THERE'S NO BAD GUYS
HERE, SCOTT. WE JUST HAVE TO RECOGNIZE AS SOCIETY THAT SOMETHING'S CHANGED.
WE HAVE A NEW MIRACULOUS AND EXPENSIVE MODE OF TREATMENT, AND WE SOCIETY NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO ACT
JOINTLY TO ABSORB THOSE COSTS. >> ECONOMIST JONATHAN GRUBER SAYS IN HIS VIEW ABSORBING THOSE COSTS WILL REQUIRE
GOVERNMENT SUPPORT AND NEGOTIATED PRICES. UNTIL THEN, PARENTS INCLUDING CIJI GREEN MUST IMPROVISE.
GREEN PURSUED PHILANTHROPY FOR HER DAUGHTER MAISIE, SET UP A GO-FUND-ME PAGE AND DEMANDED A MEETING WITH THE INSURANCE
COMPANY. >> YOU WANTED THEM TO LOOK HER IN THE EYE. >> YES, I WANTED THEM TO LOOK
HER IN THE EYE AND SAY WE'RE THE REASON YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. >> THE INSURANCE BOARD BLINKED.
MASIE RECEIVED THE GENETIC THERAPY DRUG ZOLGENSMA IN 2019. >> ONE DOSE, ONE HOUR, AND THE EFFECT WAS WHAT?
>> YOU CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE IT. AMAZING. AMAZING MAISIE. IT CHANGED HER LIFE.
IT CHANGED OUR LIFE. IT WAS WHAT SHE NEEDED. >> CAN WE MEET HER NOW? >> YOU SURE CAN.
WE'D LOVE TO MEET MAISIE. >> EXPECTED TO DIE BY AGE 2, SHE WAS 6 WHEN WE MET. AFTER A TREATMENT SO SUCCESSFUL
THAT CIJI HAS APPEARED IN TESTIMONIALS FOR THE DRUG COMPANY. THE IMPAIRMENT SUFFERED BEFORE
THE DRUG CANNOT BE REVERSED. MAISIE DOESN'T WALK, BUT SHE'S MAKING STRAIGHT A'S IN SCHOOL. >> HI, MAISIE.
>> HI. >> CIJI TOLD US THE PROGRESS OF THE DISEASE APPEARS TO HAVE STOPPED.
AND WHAT IS THE PRICE OF THAT? >> THAT PRECIOUS LITTLE WAVE. >> I'M SO GLAD TO MEET YOU. >> CAN YOU SAY, "NICE TO MEET
YOU?" >> NICE TO MEET YOU. >> YOUR OWN MIRACLE. >> MY VERY OWN MIRACLE.
[ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> INDIANA IS THE SETTING FOR THREE ALL-TIME GREAT SPORTS MOVIES "HOOSIERS", "RUDY",
AND "BREAKING AWAY". AND NOW, COMES ANOTHER CINEMATIC UNDERDOG STORY SET IN THE STATE.
EXCEPT THIS ONE IS UNSCRIPTED. OVER THE LAST CENTURY, DEFEAT HAS BEEN THE NEAR-CONSTANT COMPANION OF INDIANA UNIVERSITY
FOOTBALL. BUT THEN ARRIVED A NEW COACH WHO'D NEVER GOTTEN A SHOT AT THE BIG-TIME.
HE BROUGHT NEW PLAYERS, A NEW ENERGY AND CUE MUSIC SUDDENLY, HOOSIER HYSTERIA REIGNS AS TOP-RANKED INDIANA IS
THE UNLIKELY DARLING OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. THE HOOSIERS ARE UNDEFEATED, JUST UPSET POWERHOUSE OHIO
STATE, AND MIGHT WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE CREDITS ROLL. >> THEY COME FROM THE CITIES
AND THEY COME FROM THE SMALLER TOWNS. MORE THAN 55,000 FANS, CONVERGING ON BLOOMINGTON TO
WATCH THE INDIANA HOOSIERS. BUILT FROM LIMESTONE EXTRACTED FROM LOCAL QUARRIES, MEMORIAL STADIUM IS 65 YEARS OLD.
BUT THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW LOOK. HOME TO A FOOTBALL DYNAMO. INDIANA HAD ALWAYS BEEN A
BASKETBALL SCHOOL -- NO LONGER. >> FERNANDO THROWS IT TO THE END ZONE TOUCHDOWN INDIANA! >> THIS SEASON, THE HOOSIERS
HAVE WON AT HOME AND ON THE ROAD. >> HERE COMES THE PRESSURE -- THROWS TO THE CORNER, TOUCHDOWN
SARRATT! >> THEY'VE WON IN BLOWOUTS. AND WON WITH THEIR SEASON ON THE BRINK.
>> MENDOZA -- IN TROUBLE -- TOUCHDOWN, WOW! >> THIS GAME-WINNING TOUCHDOWN AGAINST PENN STATE STANDS AS
THE PLAY-OF-THE-YEAR IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. AND THEY'RE HARDLY DOING IT WITH PRIZED RECRUITS.
>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ON OUR TEAM, WHETHER IT'S COACHES, PLAYERS OR STAFF, HAVE ALL BEEN OVERLOOKED.
>> YOU SAY OUTCASTS AND TRANSFERS AND REJECTS. YOU GUYS ARE DOING PRETTY WELL. >> WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY WE'RE
LIKE, FOR SURE OUTCASTS AND REJECTS. I THINK WE'RE ALL STILL REALLY, REALLY GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS
HERE. >> THAT'S FERNANDO MENDOZA, INDIANA'S STAR QUARTERBACK. HE'S COME TO EMBODY THE TEAM.
A FEW YEARS AGO HE WAS A MIDDLING MIAMI HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER. JUST LAST NIGHT, HE WON THE
HEISMAN TROPHY, THE FIRST IN IU HISTORY. >> CAN YOU PAUSE, FOR A SECOND, AND ADMIRE THE STORY?
>> HUMAN NATURE IS LIKE, WOW, LIKE, HOW DID I GET HERE? AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPOSTER SYNDROME FROM THAT
POINT. WHOA, AM I SUPPOSED TO BE HERE? I WAS A TWO-STAR RECRUIT. I WASN'T A FIVE-STAR.
WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS POSITION, WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE NUMBER ONE TEAM IN THE NATION.
>> TALK ABOUT YOUR IMPOSTER ONE. SYNDROME DOES THE PROGRAM STILL HAVE
IMPOSTER SYNDROME? >> I THINK THAT WE BELIEVE. WE BELIEVE. >> THE BELIEF HAS BEEN HARD-
WON. INDIANA ENTERED THIS SEASON AS THE LOSINGEST PROGRAM IN MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL HISTORY, MORE
THAN 700 DEFEATS. >> SARRATT -- CAUGHT! TOUCHDOWN INDIANA! >> SO IMAGINE THE ASTONISHMENT
LAST WEEKEND WHEN INDIANA TOOK DOWN THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPION, UNDEFEATED OHIO STATE, TO WIN THE BIG TEN
TITLE. THE PREVIOUS TIME INDIANA WAS CONFERENCE CHAMPION? 1967.
>> PAINT THE PICTURE OF IU FOOTBALL THE FIRST 50 YEARS YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB. >> I'D SAY UP AND DOWN EXCEPT
THAT MOST OF IT'S BEEN DOWN. >> 40 -- 35 -- DOWN TO THE 30. >> DON FISCHER HAS BEEN THE VOICE OF INDIANA FOOTBALL SINCE
1973. >> THIS IS THE GREATEST TURNAROUND -- AND I HATE THAT WORD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT
EXPRESSES REALLY WHAT THESE LAST TWO SEASONS HAVE BEEN LIKE HERE IN INDIANA. >> TURNAROUND DOESN'T DO ENOUGH
LIFTING. IT'S EVEN BIGGER THAN THAT. >> NO. IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT A GOOD
ENOUGH TERM. >> SO I'M THINKIN' PEYTON MANNING WINS THE SUPER BOWL LIKE AN HOUR UP THE ROAD.
AND YOU'VE GOT NOTRE DAME. FOOTBALL IS NOT AN ALIEN SPORT TO INDIANA. WHY DID IT SEEM SO HARD TO
UNLOCK IT HERE? >> A BIG PROBLEM FOR INDIANA WAS WE COULD NOT RECRUIT OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE
LINEMEN. >> BIG BOYS. >>THE BIG GUYS. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE VERY MANY
OF 'EM. AND FOOTBALL HERE WAS NOT A BIG SPORT -- IT JUST HADN'T CLICKED AS A FOOTBALL PLACE.
>> WAS THERE ONE LOW MOMENT? >> OH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ONE. >> HERE'S ONE.
IT'S INDIANA LEGEND, BUT THE CHARISMATIC COACH AT THE TIME, LEE CORSO, CONFIRMS IT TO US. IN A 1976 GAME, LOWLY INDIANA
TOOK AN EARLY 7-6 LEAD OVER MIGHTY OHIO STATE, SO UNEXPECTED THAT CORSO BURNED A TIME-OUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF
COMMEMORATIVE PHOTOS. WHEN THE GAME ENDED, INDIANA STILL HAD 7 POINTS. OHIO STATE HAD -- 47.
ONE DIEHARD FAN IN ATTENDANCE THAT AFTERNOON, JOHN MELLENCAMP, BARD OF INDIANA, WHO'S BEEN GOING TO HOOSIER
GAMES EVER SINCE HIS FATHER TOOK HIM AS A KID. IN THE '90s, HE FUNDED THIS INDOOR PRACTICE FACILITY, IN
HOPES IT WOULD LURE RECRUITS. >> YOU'VE BEEN A FAN FOR, LIKE, 50 YEARS. YOU'RE NOT A BANDWAGON GUY.
>> NO. NO, I -- I'VE BEEN AROUND THROUGH THICK AND THIN. >> HOW THIN DID IT GET?
>> PRETTY THIN. >> HE SAYS THAT FOR YEARS THE TAILGATES DREW MORE INTEREST THAN THE ACTUAL GAMES.
>> YOU'RE GOIN' TO THESE FOOTBALL GAMES AND THE STADIUM'S HALF FULL AND FANS ARE LEAVING -- AT HALF TIME.
>> WHOA -- WHOA, WHOA, THEY'RE NOT EVEN HALF FULL. >> LESS THAN HALF FULL. >> YEAH, LESS THAN HALF FULL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IF THIS IS THE STADIUM, THERE'S JUST, LIKE, A FEW PEOPLE UP HERE. >> IN 2023, YET ANOTHER DISMAL
SEASON, THE TEAM FINISHED 3-9 AND THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR SCOTT DOLSON SET OUT IN SEARCH OF ANSWERS.
>> WHAT WAS THE HOLE YOU HAD TO FILL? >> I THINK -- CERTAINLY THE RIGHT COACH IS -- IS THE
BIGGEST HOLE TO FILL. >> AS HE SCOURED FOR CANDIDATES, HE HAD SOME NON- NEGOTIABLES.
>> WE WANTED AN EXISTING HEAD COACH. WE WANTED A COACH WHO WAS OFFENSIVE MINDED, WHO HAD
DEVELOPED QUARTERBACKS. >> SO THE -- THE SLICK, OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AT THE BIG SCHOOL, THAT'S NOT WHO YOU
WANTED? >> NO. WE REALLY FELT HAVING THAT HEAD COACH EXPERIENCE WAS -- WAS
REALLY IMPORTANT. >> DOLSON WENT OFF THE BOARD AND SETTLED ON A LITTLE-KNOWN LIFER -- WHO'D WON
RELENTLESSLY, BUT ALSO BEEN OVERLOOKED RELENTLESSLY. >> SO TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN CURT CIGNETTI'S NAME SURFACES AS A
CANDIDATE, WHAT'D YOU KNOW ABOUT HIM? ANYTHING? >> NOTHING.
>> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING COLLEGE FOOTBALL FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS, AND YOU'VE NEVER HEARD HIS NAME BEFORE.
>> NEVER HEARD HIS NAME. >> WOW. >> AND WHEN HE BECAME THE HIRE -- I WAS SURPRISED BY IT, BUT
THEN I LOOKED HIM UP A LITTLE BIT. I GOOGLE -- I GOOGLED HIM. >> YOU GOOGLED HIM?
>> YES, I DID. >> THAT WAS A DIRECT ORDER FROM THE NEW COACH. >> HOW DO YOU SELL YOUR VISION
OF YOUR CULTURE? >> MERE WEEKS ON THE JOB TIRED OF THE WHO-ARE-YOU? QUESTIONS CURT CIGNETTI
DROPPED HIS USUAL MODESTY AND SAID THIS -- >> IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. I WIN.
GOOGLE ME. >> HERE'S WHAT GOOGLING WOULD HAVE REVEALED. CIGNETTI PINBALLED AROUND THE
COUNTRY'S SIDELINES -- ONCE AN ASSISTANT FOR NICK SABAN AT ALABAMA, HE LEFT THE BIG TIME TO TAKE HEAD COACHING JOBS AT
SMALLER SCHOOLS, LIKE ELON UNIVERSITY AND JAMES MADISON. WHEN INDIANA CALLED, CIGNETTI WAS WELL BEYOND THE USUAL SELL-
BY DATE FOR A MAIDEN JOB AT THIS LEVEL. >> YOU'VE HAD TERRIFIC SUCCESS WHEREVER YOU'VE BEEN.
BUT AT AGE 62 THIS WAS YOUR FIRST POWER FOUR, BIG-TIME JOB. DID YOU COME IN HERE WITH A BIT OF A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER?
>> THE CHIP PROBABLY CAME FROM WHEN I GOT HERE. RIGHT AWAY I DETECTED AN ATMOSPHERE THAT, "YOU CAN'T GET
IT DONE HERE." >> YOU SENSED THAT? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. AS SOON AS I WALKED IN THE
BUILDING. FACILITIES THAT HAD BEEN NEGLECTED. THE STADIUM BANNERS THAT LOOKED
OLD. THE OFFICES THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE FROM 1980. AND THEN -- YOU KNOW, JUST THE
GENERAL ATTITUDE OF THE PEOPLE I MET, THE LACK OF EXCITEMENT. >> COMING FROM A WINNING PROGRAM, HE WAS, WELL --
>> I WAS -- FURIOUS, PRETTY MUCH. 'CAUSE ALL WE DID WAS WIN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS YEAR
IN, YEAR OUT AS A STAFF. >> AT-- AT YOUR OLD SCHOOL. >> YEAH. AND -- I MEAN, WE -- WE WIN.
AND SO IT WAS A CLASHING OF TWO WORLDS. AND I WASN'T GONNA LOWER MY STANDARDS.
>> IT ERUPTED WHEN CIGNETTI WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO FANS AT AN INDIANA BASKETBALL GAME. >> PURDUE SUCKS -- BUT SO DOES
MICHIGAN AND OHIO STATE! GO IU! >> AS THE KIDS SAY, SHOTS FIRED.
>> I HAD TO SEE IF THE FANS WERE DEAD OR JUST ON LIFE SUPPORT. I HAD TO WAKE 'EM UP, AND SET
AN EXPECTATION, AND CREATE SOME -- SOME BUZZ AND EXCITEMENT. >> YOU THINK THEY WOKE UP? >> LITTLE BIT.
>> GET LOCKED IN, GOOD WARM-UP. >> THE IRONY -- CIGNETTI IS SKEPTICAL OF ANYTHING RESEMBLING LOOK-AT-ME.
HE MAY BE FROM PENNSYLVANIA, BUT HIS TEMPERAMENT IS PITCH PERFECT FOR SOUTHERN INDIANA -- HE'S MEASURED.
HE COMMANDS RESPECT. HIS FALLBACK LANGUAGE IS COACHSPEAK. >> COACHES AREN'T IN THE HABIT
OF SHARING THE PLAYBOOK, BUT WHAT IS THE MAGIC HERE? >> THERE'S NO MAGIC HERE. THE -- IT'S FUNDAMENTALS.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE LEADER, WHICH IS ME, KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOIN', AND HAS A BLUEPRINT, AND A PLAN.
CREATE THE INTANGIBLES ON YOUR FOOTBALL TEAM, THE CULTURE, THE MINDSET, THE PHILOSOPHY ON HOW YOU WANNA PLAY.
>> UNDER CIGNETTI, THE PROGRAM IS UNRECOGNIZABLE. THE LAST TWO SEASONS, INDIANA HAS GONE 24-2 WITHOUT LOSING A
HOME GAME -- THAT'S THE "WHAT". THE "HOW" IS MORE COMPLICATED. IT STARTS WITH THE COACH. NOT JUST HIS EYE FOR RECRUITING
TALENT, BUT HIS ABILITY TO DEVELOP IT ONCE IT ARRIVES -- BASED ON WHAT HE'S SEEING FROM HIS PERCH A SHACK ATOP THE
STADIUM PRESS BOX -- WHERE HE CAN SMOKE -- JOHN MELLENCAMP HAS HIS OWN EXPLANATION FOR CIGNETTI'S SUCCESS.
>> HE DOES NOT SHOW EMOTION. >> HE'S NOT EMOTIONAL. >> NOT OUTWARDLY. NOT OUTWARDLY.
JON, I'VE MADE MY WORST DECISIONS BEING EMOTIONAL. >> THE POISE OF CIGNETTI AND THE TURNAROUND HE'S
ORCHESTRATED? IT MAKES FOR A HELL OF A CINDERELLA STORY BUT THIS IS ALSO A STORY ABOUT CONTEMPORARY
COLLEGE SPORTS. INDIANA'S RISE HAS BEEN HELPED BY NEW RULES. ATHLETES ARE NOW ABLE TO ENTER
THE SO-CALLED "TRANSFER PORTAL" AND SWITCH SCHOOLS AT WILL. CIGNETTI FORTIFIED THE ROSTER BY BRINGING 13 PLAYERS WITH HIM
FROM JAMES MADISON. FERNANDO MENDOZA PLAYED AT CAL- BERKELEY LAST SEASON. THEN THERE'S THE MONEY.
COLLEGE PLAYERS NOW CAN BE PAID, FOR THE LICENSING OF THEIR NAME/IMAGE/AND LIKENESS AND STARTING THIS YEAR, THEY
CAN GET A CUT OF TEAM REVENUE. MENDOZA IS REPORTED TO BE MAKING $2 MILLION THIS SEASON. >> I WROTE A PAPER IN HIGH
SCHOOL SAYING WHY NCAA ATHLETES SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET PAID. >> SHOULD NOT BE. >> SHOULD NOT BE.
AND THEN NOW I'M CONTRADICTING MYSELF AS I'M GETTING PAID NOW. SO -- THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT DYNAMICS THAT WERE NEVER THERE
IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SO MANY TEAMS EITHER RISING OR FIZZLING.
JUST BECAUSE THE NEW STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT COMPENSATION IN THE LOCKER ROOM, WHICH IS EITHER
UNITING OR DIVIDING A LOCKER ROOM, WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE GOING TO NOT ONLY ONE OR TWO SCHOOLS LIKE MYSELF GOING TO FOUR
SCHOOLS. I MEAN, YOU SEE COACHES LEAVING MIDSEASON, IT IS -- IT'S CHAOS. >> IN 2024, THANKS PARTIALLY TO
NCLUDING IU ALUM MARK DONORS CUBAN INDIANA SPENT MORE THAN $60 MILLION DOLLARS ON FOOTBALL
ALONE. THIS, AS THE SCHOOL IS CUTTING ACADEMIC JOBS AND PROGRAMS. >> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL
SAY, "WAIT A SECOND. THESE ARE TOUGH TIMES FOR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. AND YOU'VE GOT $50 MILLION, $60
MILLION BEIN' SPENT ON ONE SPORT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE." >> SO CERTAINLY THE MARKET IS
WHAT THE MARKET IS. AND IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. BUT WE EARN THAT MONEY. WE MAKE IT THROUGH OUR REVENUE
STREAMS. AND AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IF WE CAN GET FOOTBALL GOING, THE IMPACT AND
THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE REST OF THE UNIVERSITY ARE -- ARE SIGNIFICANT. >> YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE
MARKETING MEETINGS YOU WANT, AND CHANGING LOGOS, AND UNIFORMS, BUT WINNING GAMES IS WHAT'S GONNA DO IT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. AND I'VE JOKED BEFORE, IF I'DA KNOWN THAT WINNING CONSISTENTLY -- WOULD -- WOULD HAVE THAT
IMPACT, WE SHOULDA TRIED THAT A LONG TIME AGO. >> BIG TEN CHAMPION, INDIANA HOOSIERS!
>> NOW THE NUMBER ONE SEED IN THE UPCOMING COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS, THE HOOSIERS' NEXT GAME IS NEW YEAR'S DAY.
BUT AT INDIANA THE JOY IS TEMPERED BY A FEAR THIS ALL COULD VANISH AS QUICKLY AS IT EMERGED.
THE SCHOOL VOWS TO KEEP SPENDING ON FOOTBALL -- FAR MORE THAN ON BASKETBALL. AND IN HOPES THE COACH DOESN'T
TRANSFER OUT, INDIANA RECENTLY GAVE CIGNETTI AN EIGHT-YEAR, $90 MILLION CONTRACT, MORE THAN 15 TIMES HIS COMPENSATION AT
HIS LAST JOB. >> BEEN AROUND THIS SPORT A LONG TIME. IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT NOW THAN
IT WAS WHEN YOU STARTED. DO YOU EMBRACE THAT? >> OH, YOU HAVE TO EMBRACE THAT.
IF NOT, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEIN' SUCCESSFUL. >> DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THE ROAD? >> YOU GOTTA ADAPT, ADJUST, AND IMPROVISE.
>> TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YA. >> ATTACK AT ALL TIMES.
>> AIDAN FISHER ON THE KEY TO INDIANA'S FOOTBALL SUCCESS. >> THE TWO BEST WORDS I
>> THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITEDHEALTHCARE. COVERAGE YOU CAN COUNT ON FOR
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HER GUIDES WERE THE SHERPAS WHO RISK THEIR LIVES TO ASSIST CLIMBERS. LEADING THE EXPEDITION WAS A 19-
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THERE'S LITTLE MARGIN FOR ERROR. >> YOU CAN'T BE SCARED OF ANYTHING IF YOU DO WHAT YOU DO.
>> OF COURSE, YOU ARE SCARED BUT YOU HAVE TO BALANCE IT IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN BE CONFIDENT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU DO THINGS.
>> WHAT DO YOU TELL YOURSELF WHEN YOU GET SCARED? >> JUST TRYING TO CALM MYSELF DOWN AND JUST REALIZE WHO I AM.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THAT STORY AND MORE NEXT WEEK ON ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."