1 00:00:03,036 --> 00:00:17,650 [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> THIS PAST MONTH, WE WERE VITED BY THE BUNDESWEHR, THE GERMAN MILITARY, TO OBSERVE 2 00:00:17,717 --> 00:00:23,957 BASIC TRAINING, AS A SQUAD OF RECRUITS RAN PUNISHING DRILLS, HONING THE SKILLS THEY WOULD NEED TO DEFEND AGAINST AN ENEMY 3 00:00:24,023 --> 00:00:30,096 ASSAULT. >> EVERYTHING WE ARE TRAINING HERE FOR COULD BE ONE DAY BE REAL. 4 00:00:30,163 --> 00:00:33,767 WE DON'T HOPE THAT. BUT WE'RE PREPARING EXACTLY FOR THAT. >> BECAUSE OF THE WAR IN 5 00:00:33,833 --> 00:00:46,613 UKRAINE? >> YES OF COURSE. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> A NEW CLASS OF DRUGS CAN 6 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:50,683 SAVE THE LIVES OF CHILDREN LIKE MAISIE. OUBLE IS, ONE DOSE COSTS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 7 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:58,525 >> IT WAS CHEAPER FOR HER TO DIE. THEY WERE BANKING ON HER DYING. >> NEITHER HEALTH INSURANCE NOR 8 00:00:58,591 --> 00:01:05,432 GOVERNMENT HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO PAY FOR THE NEXT WAVE OF MIRACLE MEDICINES. >> I LIKEN IT TO A COMING 9 00:01:05,498 --> 00:01:14,107 TSUNAMI, WHICH IS BASICALLY GONNA OVERWHELM THE EMPLOYER- SPONSORED INSURANCE SYSTEM. >>> INDIANA ENTERED THIS SEASON 10 00:01:14,174 --> 00:01:27,053 AS THE LOSINGEST PROGRAM IN MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL HISTORY -- MORE THAN 700 DEFEATS. SO IMAGINE THE ASTONISHMENT 11 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,192 LAST WEEKEND WHEN THE HOOSIERS TOOK DOWN THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, UNBEATEN OHIO STATE, TO WIN THE BIG TEN 12 00:01:32,258 --> 00:01:39,165 TITLE. HOW'D THEY DO IT? >> YOU GOTTA ADAPT, ADJUST AND IMPROVISE. 13 00:01:39,232 --> 00:01:46,072 >> TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YA. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. 14 00:01:46,139 --> 00:01:51,110 >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. 15 00:01:51,177 --> 00:02:00,620 >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND IN OUR LAST MINUTE, REACHING A NEW HIGH, TONIGHT ON 16 00:02:00,687 --> 00:02:05,458 "60 MINUTES." [ STOPWA 17 00:02:08,027 --> 00:02:17,570 > THIS PAST WEEK, UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY RE-ASSERTED HE DOESN'T WANT TO SURRENDER ANY TERRITORY IN 18 00:02:17,637 --> 00:02:24,844 EXCHANGE FOR PEACE WITH RUSSIA A DECLARATION THAT FOLLOWED EARLIER WARNINGS FROM RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN THAT 19 00:02:24,911 --> 00:02:33,553 IF EUROPE ENGAGED IN A WIDER WAR, IT WOULD BE DEFEATED. NEARLY FOUR YEARS IN, THE CONFLICT CONTINUES TO SEND 20 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:39,959 SHOCKWAVES THROUGH THE WESTERN ALLIANCE. EUROPEAN NATIONS ARE BEEFING UP THEIR DEFENSES. 21 00:02:40,026 --> 00:02:46,633 NOWHERE IS THE IMPACT MORE PROFOUND THAN IN GERMANY. SCARRED BY THEIR COUNTRY'S NAZI PAST, GERMANS EMBRACED PACIFISM 22 00:02:46,699 --> 00:02:54,107 AFTER THE COLD WAR. DEFENSE SPENDING COLLAPSED TO THE POINT SOME SOLDIERS WERE BUYING THEIR OWN GEAR. 23 00:02:54,173 --> 00:03:01,047 BUT RUSSIA'S FULL-SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE COMBINED WITH PERSISTENT PRESSURE FROM PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FOR 24 00:03:01,114 --> 00:03:06,352 EUROPE TO SHOULDER MORE OF ITS OWN DEFENSE TRANSFORMED THE LANDSCAPE. TODAY, GERMANY IS RACING TO 25 00:03:06,419 --> 00:03:16,195 REARM. THIS PAST MONTH, WE WERE INVITED BY THE BUNDESWEHR, THE GERMAN MILITARY, TO OBSERVE 26 00:03:16,262 --> 00:03:30,877 BASIC TRAINING AT THE MUNSTER ARMY BASE IN NORTHWEST GERMANY. A SQUAD OF RECRUITS RAN PUNISHING DRILLS, HONING THE 27 00:03:30,944 --> 00:03:41,287 SKILLS THEY WOULD NEED TO DEFEND THEIR POSITION AGAINST AN ENEMY ASSAULT. THE MAJOR IN CHARGE -- HAS BEEN 28 00:03:41,354 --> 00:03:51,264 TRAINING TROOPS SINCE 2018. THE BUNDESWEHR WON'T REVEAL HIS NAME TO SHIELD HIS IDENTITY FROM HOSTILE ACTORS. 29 00:03:51,331 --> 00:04:01,741 >> SO HAVE YOU SEEN A DIFFERENCE IN THE RECRUITS OF TODAY VERSUS YEARS PAST? >> YES I THINK THERE'S A HUGE 30 00:04:01,808 --> 00:04:07,280 DIFFERENCE. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR, AND IT'S GETTING MORE CLEAR TO THEM THAT EVERYTHING 31 00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:11,284 WE ARE TRAINING HERE FOR COULD BE ONE DAY REAL. WE DON'T HOPE THAT. BUT WE'RE PREPARING EXACTLY FOR 32 00:04:11,351 --> 00:04:17,423 THAT. >> BECAUSE OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE? >> YES, OF COURSE, YEAH. 33 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:29,669 >> THE WAR IN UKRAINE HAS SHAKEN GERMANY'S SENSE OF SECURITY, BUT THE COUNTRY IS ALSO SHAKING OFF THE SHADOWS OF 34 00:04:29,736 --> 00:04:37,944 ITS BRUTAL MILITARY PAST. THIS HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL IN BERLIN A STARK REMINDER OF THAT HISTORY STANDS CLOSE BY 35 00:04:38,011 --> 00:04:41,914 THE REICHSTAG, WHERE THE NATIONAL PARLIAMENT IS MOVING TO RESTORE GERMANY'S MILITARY AS EUROPE'S MOST POWERFUL 36 00:04:41,981 --> 00:04:47,887 FORCE. DEFENSE MINISTER BORIS PISTORIUS HAS OVERSEEN A 23% UPTICK IN ENLISTMENTS OVER LAST 37 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:58,464 YEAR. >> HOW IS THE WAR IN UKRAINE CHANGING GERMANY'S VIEW OF ITS OWN SECURITY? 38 00:04:58,531 --> 00:05:08,074 >> I GREW UP IN THE COLD WAR. AND SINCE FEBRUARY 2022, WE ALL EXPERIENCE IN -- IN GERMANY AND IN EUROPE THAT THE WAR IS BACK. 39 00:05:08,141 --> 00:05:14,814 WE NEVER EXPECTED THAT. AND WE WERE SO HOPEFUL THAT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. BUT IT DOES. 40 00:05:14,881 --> 00:05:22,355 AND WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO BE ABLE TO DETER AND DEFEND. >> PISTORIUS WAS APPOINTED DEFENSE MINISTER IN 2023, 41 00:05:22,422 --> 00:05:29,562 ALMOST A YEAR AFTER RUSSIA'S LARGE-SCALE ASSAULT ON UKRAINE. WHEN CONSERVATIVE FRIEDRICH MERZ BECAME CHANCELLOR THIS 42 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:36,669 PAST MAY, HE KEPT PISTORIUS, THE BLUNT TALKING SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, IN HIS POST. >> I MEAN YOU -- YOU HAVE TO BE 43 00:05:36,736 --> 00:05:41,574 CLEAR IN WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT ARE YOU STANDING FOR. >> WE MET HIM AT THE BENDLERBLOCK. 44 00:05:41,641 --> 00:05:47,313 THE BERLIN BUILDING COMPLEX ONCE HOUSED THE NAZI'S ARMY HIGH COMMAND. TODAY IT'S GERMANY'S EQUIVALENT 45 00:05:47,380 --> 00:05:54,721 OF THE PENTAGON. WHEN WE SPOKE WITH PISTORIUS THIS PAST MONTH, HE DIDN'T PULL ANY PUNCHES ON RUSSIAN 46 00:05:54,787 --> 00:06:01,027 PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S AMBITIONS. >> THERE IS NOT ONLY THE WAR AGAINST UKRAINE. 47 00:06:01,094 --> 00:06:11,037 THIS IS A WAR AGAINST RULE- BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER. AND -- AT THE SAME TIME, HE DOES NOT STOP STRESSING WHAT 48 00:06:11,104 --> 00:06:18,044 HE'S REALLY LONGING FOR -- LIKE, A RENAISSANCE OF THE SOVIET EMPIRE. HE WANTS TO BE THE DOMINANT 49 00:06:18,111 --> 00:06:25,685 POWER IN EUROPE. AND HE WANTS TO BE THE THIRD -- OF THREE WORLD POWERS LIKE CHINA AND THE U.S. THIS IS WHAT 50 00:06:25,752 --> 00:06:32,258 HE IS -- WHAT HE IS HEADING FOR. >> PISTORIUS WARNS PUTIN IS RAPIDLY REBUILDING RUSSIA'S 51 00:06:32,325 --> 00:06:38,231 MILITARY AND HE TOLD US RUSSIA COULD BE IN POSITION TO ATTACK THE WEST BY THE END OF THE DECADE. 52 00:06:38,297 --> 00:06:45,671 >> WHEN DOES GERMANY NEED TO BE READY FOR WAR? >> WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING TO BE THAT IN 2029. 53 00:06:45,738 --> 00:06:55,248 THIS IS OUR OBJECTIVE. THIS IS STILL A WAY TO GO. >> THREE DAYS AFTER RUSSIA'S 2022 INVASION OF UKRAINE, THEN 54 00:06:55,314 --> 00:07:01,854 CHANCELLOR OLAF SCHOLZ TOLD THE BUNDESTAG, GERMANY'S PARLIAMENT, THE INCURSION MARKED A ZEITENWENDE A 55 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:11,330 TURNING POINT FOR EUROPE. HE ANNOUNCED A SPECIAL 100- BILLION EURO FUND TO KICK-START GERMANY'S MILITARY BUILDUP. 56 00:07:11,397 --> 00:07:17,069 THREE YEARS LATER IN THE RUN UP TO HIS ELECTION AS CHANCELLOR, FRIEDRICH MERZ SAID HE WAS TROUBLED AS WELL BY PRESIDENT 57 00:07:17,136 --> 00:07:25,645 TRUMP'S THREATS TO PULL BACK FROM NATO. >> Translator: MY ABSOLUTE PRIORITY WILL BE TO STRENGTHEN 58 00:07:25,711 --> 00:07:30,917 EUROPE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT, STEP BY STEP, WE CAN REALLY ACHIEVE INDEPENDENCE FROM THE USA. 59 00:07:30,983 --> 00:07:38,124 >> YOU'RE GAMBLING WITH WORLD WAR III. >> AFTER THIS CONTENTIOUS OVAL OFFICE MEETING WITH PRESIDENT 60 00:07:38,191 --> 00:07:46,232 ZELENSKYY THIS PAST FEBRUARY, FRIEDRICH MERZ POSTED "WE MUST NEVER CONFUSE AGGRESSOR AND VICTIM IN THIS TERRIBLE WAR" 61 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:52,004 AND HE PUSHED PARLIAMENT TO EXEMPT DEFENSE SPENDING FROM GERMANY'S DEBT BRAKE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED 62 00:07:52,071 --> 00:08:02,915 SPENDING CAP. THE MONEY STARTED FLOWING. THE DEFENSE BUDGET IS PROJECTED TO RISE ALMOST 80% BY 2029. 63 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:10,056 >> HOW BIG SHOULD THE GERMAN MILITARY BE? >> GERMANY IS THIRD BIGGEST -- ECONOMY IN THE WORLD AND THE 64 00:08:10,122 --> 00:08:15,862 BIGGEST ONE IN EUROPE, OF COURSE. SO EVERYBODY IN EUROPE EXPECTS US TO BE THE STRONGEST ALLY IN 65 00:08:15,928 --> 00:08:25,938 NATO IN EUROPE. >> WITH THE SURGE OF FEDERAL FUNDING, THE LONG MORIBUND GERMAN DEFENSE INDUSTRY IS 66 00:08:26,005 --> 00:08:33,546 SPRINGING BACK TO LIFE. >> THE DRONES ARE THE FUTURE OF WARFARE. >> WE MET SVEN KRUCK IN BERLIN. 67 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:43,890 HE IS CO-CEO OF DRONE MANUFACTURER QUANTUM SYSTEMS. THE COMPANY, WITH FACTORIES IN GERMANY AND UKRAINE, JUST 68 00:08:43,956 --> 00:08:52,665 LANDED A 25 MILLION EURO CONTRACT WITH THE BUNDESWEHR TO PRODUCE UP TO 750 INTELLIGENCE, SURVEILLANCE AND RECONNAISSANCE 69 00:08:52,732 --> 00:08:59,238 DRONES, ISR FOR SHORT. >> WE HAVE NOW MORE THAN 1,500 AT THE BATTLEFRONT DAY BY DAY IN USE. 70 00:08:59,305 --> 00:09:03,209 >> 1,500 DRONES -- >> DRONES. DRONES. IN USE IN UKRAINE DAY BY DAY, 71 00:09:03,276 --> 00:09:10,716 NIGHT BY NIGHT. >> DRONES, INCLUDING QUANTUM'S, HAVE HELPED RESHAPE THE BATTLEFIELD. 72 00:09:10,783 --> 00:09:18,391 A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE 2022 INVASION, RUSSIAN FORCES TRIED TO CROSS THE DONETS RIVER IN EASTERN UKRAINE. 73 00:09:18,457 --> 00:09:24,764 EXPLOSIONS AND SMOKE OBSCURED THEIR MOVEMENTS. A QUANTUM DRONE, EQUIPPED WITH A THERMAL CAMERA, HELPED 74 00:09:24,830 --> 00:09:32,505 UKRAINE SEE, TARGET AND STOP THE ADVANCE. >> AND THIS ACTUALLY WAS OUR MOMENT WHERE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN 75 00:09:32,571 --> 00:09:38,945 QUANTUM SYSTEMS AND -- ESPECIALLY ISR DRONES CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> KRUCK TOLD US GERMANY ISN'T 76 00:09:39,011 --> 00:09:47,486 INVESTING ENOUGH IN CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGIES. BUT WE SAW EVIDENCE THE DEFENSE MINISTRY IS THINKING OUTSIDE 77 00:09:47,553 --> 00:09:56,095 THE BOX -- WAY OUTSIDE THE BOX. IT'S FUNDING TESTS TO SEE IF THESE GIANT MADAGASCAR HISSING COCKROACHES CAN BE REPURPOSED 78 00:09:56,162 --> 00:10:03,102 FROM REPULSIVE PESTS TO MINIATURE BATTLEFIELD ASSETS. >> THIS IS A LEFT TURN AND THIS IS RIGHT TURN. 79 00:10:03,169 --> 00:10:11,677 >> STEFAN WILHELM'S YEAR OLD STARTUP, SWARM BIOTACTICS IN CENTRAL GERMANY, IS WORKING WITH THE BUNDESWEHR TO DEVELOP 80 00:10:11,744 --> 00:10:17,950 TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN STEER THE CREEPY CRITTERS AUTONOMOUSLY AND SEND THEM ON RECONNAISSANCE MISSIONS. 81 00:10:18,017 --> 00:10:26,559 HE LET ME TAKE CONTROL. >> WOW. >> THEY'RE SUPER RESILIENT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN THEY 82 00:10:26,625 --> 00:10:31,864 CAN CRAWL THROUGH TINY SPACES, CAN GO UP THE WALL -- INTO PIPES, LIKE UNDERGROUND AND RUBBLE. 83 00:10:31,931 --> 00:10:38,471 >> YOU KNOW THIS IS REALLY BIZARRE? >> IS IT? >> SWARM'S INSECT 84 00:10:38,537 --> 00:10:44,944 NEUROSCIENTISTS ATTACH ELECTRODES TO THE ROACHES' ANTENNAE THEY INSIST THIS DOESN'T HURT STIMULATING 85 00:10:45,011 --> 00:10:53,252 THEIR NATURAL ABILITY TO NAVIGATE. THE ELECTRODES ARE HIDDEN IN THESE BUG-SIZE BACKPACKS, ALONG 86 00:10:53,319 --> 00:11:01,327 WITH A BATTERY AND MICROCHIPS. THEY'RE WORKING TO SHRINK THE TECHNOLOGY TO SOON LOOK LIKE THIS. 87 00:11:01,394 --> 00:11:07,433 SWARM'S A-I GENERATED VIDEO SHOWS HOW THEY MIGHT BE DEPLOYED CARRYING CAMERAS, MICROPHONES, AND DOPPLER RADAR 88 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:15,441 INTO WAR ZONES. >> RIGHT NOW WE'RE HEARING THAT RUSSIA IS REARMING ITSELF. THEY'VE GOT MORE TANKS, MORE 89 00:11:15,508 --> 00:11:22,915 ARMAMENTS. HOW DOES THIS COMPETE? >> WE HAVE TO BE SMARTER. WE HAVE TO USE INTELLIGENCE. 90 00:11:22,982 --> 00:11:29,055 WE HAVE TO USE AUTONOMY -- BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL OR ENOUGH EQUIPMENT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT RUSSIA 91 00:11:29,121 --> 00:11:34,927 PRODUCES RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK THIS IS A SHIFT YOU SEE IN -- IN -- IN THE GERMAN -- STARTUPS. 92 00:11:34,994 --> 00:11:41,834 >> STILL, GERMANY IS PLACING A BIG BET N ITS BIGGEST DEFENSE CONTRACTOR, RHEINMETALL. A MAJOR ARMS SUPPLIER TO GERMAN 93 00:11:41,901 --> 00:11:47,740 TROOPS IN BOTH WORLD WARS, RHEINMETALL AND ITS SUBSIDIARIES HAVE WON A COMMANDING SHARE OF RECENT 94 00:11:47,807 --> 00:11:54,880 GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS. >> WE ARE THE FASTEST-GROWING DEFENSE COMPANY IN EUROPE AT THE MOMENT. 95 00:11:54,947 --> 00:12:02,521 >> ARMIN PAPPERGER HAS BEEN CEO SINCE 2013. PRAGMATIC, FORCEFUL, STRATEGIC, HE BUILT RHEINMETALL INTO A 96 00:12:02,588 --> 00:12:10,396 PILLAR OF NATO REARMAMENT. >> RHEINMETALL WAS AN AMMUNITION COMPANY. IT'S GOING FROM AMMUNITIONS TO 97 00:12:10,463 --> 00:12:17,636 VEHICLE PLATFORMS. BUT NOW WE GO TO DIGITIZATION. WE GO TO SATELLITE BUSINESS. WE GO TO NAVAL BUSINESS. 98 00:12:17,703 --> 00:12:25,644 >> HIS COMPANY'S SUCCESS AND SUPPORT OF UKRAINE MADE HIM THE TARGET OF A RUSSIAN ASSASSINATION PLOT, BUT THAT 99 00:12:25,711 --> 00:12:31,684 DIDN'T SLOW HIM OR THE COMPANY DOWN. RHEINMETALL IS BUILDING AND EXPANDING THIRTEEN ARMS 100 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:42,962 FACTORIES ACROSS EUROPE. >> WE EDUCATED TWO GENERATIONS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE WORLD WE CALL WASHINGTON, AND 101 00:12:43,028 --> 00:12:47,733 WASHINGTON WILL HELP US. THAT CHANGED. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID IT VERY CLEAR. 102 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:53,005 AMERICA HAS HER OWN PROBLEMS. THE EUROPEANS HAS TO HELP THEMSELF. AND NOW WITH THE UKRAINIAN- 103 00:12:53,072 --> 00:12:58,677 RUSSIAN WAR, IT'S VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO DO MORE. >> IN 2024, GERMANY BEGAN 104 00:12:58,744 --> 00:13:06,619 SENDING ITS 45th ARMOURED BRIGADE 5,000 TROOPS TO LITHUANIA, ONCE BRUTALLY OCCUPIED BY THE NAZIS. 105 00:13:06,685 --> 00:13:14,093 LITHUANIA NOW WELCOMES GERMAN TROOPS BOLSTERING NATO'S EASTERN FLANK, GERMANY'S FIRST PERMANENT DEPLOYMENT OF A 106 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:27,273 COMBAT READY BRIGADE ABROAD SINCE WORLD WAR II. DESPITE THE UPTICK IN ENLISTMENTS, THE BUNDESWEHR 107 00:13:27,339 --> 00:13:32,811 FACES A MANPOWER CHALLENGE. IT WANTS TO ADD ABOUT 75,000 ACTIVE DUTY TROOPS TO ITS ALL- VOLUNTEER FORCE BY 2035. 108 00:13:32,878 --> 00:13:40,052 HISTORY WEIGHS ON RECRUITMENT. THE ISSUE STILL SPARKS PROTESTS. A RECENT POLL FOUND AN 109 00:13:40,119 --> 00:13:47,960 OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF 15 TO 25 YEAR OLDS WOULD NOT TAKE UP ARMS. IF VOLUNTEER NUMBERS FALL 110 00:13:48,027 --> 00:13:55,501 SHORT, THE GOVERNMENT MAY REINTRODUCE THE DRAFT. SOLDIERS WE MET IN BASIC TRAINING TOLD US THEY FIND THE 111 00:13:55,568 --> 00:14:03,375 RELUCTANCE OF THEIR GENERATION TO VOLUNTEER TROUBLING. >> I THINK A LOT OF IT MUST HAVE TO DO WITH THE HISTORY OF 112 00:14:03,442 --> 00:14:11,917 WORLD WAR II. >> Translator: YES, OF COURSE. >> PRIVATE LASSE TOLD US HE'S PROUD TO SERVE. 113 00:14:11,984 --> 00:14:16,722 >> Translator: NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO WAR. BUT IF IT HAPPENS, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO DEFEND YOUR 114 00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:27,600 COUNTRY. >> THE WEEK BEFORE WE SPOKE TO DEFENSE MINISTER BORIS PISTORIUS, HE PRESIDED OVER A 115 00:14:27,666 --> 00:14:35,574 PUBLIC SWEARING IN OF NEW RECRUITS IN BERLIN. >> DEUTSCHLAND, DEUTSCHLAND, DEUTSCHLAND! 116 00:14:35,641 --> 00:14:43,048 >> DEUTSCHLAND THEY SHOUTED. THE WORLD HASN'T HEARD GERMANY ASSERT ITSELF LIKE THIS SINCE WWII. 117 00:14:43,115 --> 00:14:52,324 BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REBUILDING THE GERMAN MILITARY, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO 118 00:14:52,391 --> 00:15:01,667 RECOIL AT THAT THOUGHT? >> I TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT, IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE, IN FREEDOM, SECURITY -- WITH A 119 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:09,008 RIGHT TO GO ON THE STREET AND TO DEMONSTRATE AGAINST OR FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT, TO LOVE HOWEVER TO WANT, AND YOU TO 120 00:15:09,074 --> 00:15:14,780 BELIEVE IN ANY GOD YOU WANT, THEN YOU NEED TO BE WILLING TO DEFEND IT. BECAUSE, OTHERWISE, THERE MIGHT 121 00:15:14,847 --> 00:15:19,818 BE PEOPLE LIKE VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO WILL TAKE THAT KIND OF LIVING AWAY FROM US. 122 00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:28,127 r cooled. 123 00:15:28,193 --> 00:15:38,637 >>> A NEW CLASS OF DRUGS IS SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN WHO ONCE HAD NO HOPE. THESE HIGH-TECH MEDICINES CAN 124 00:15:38,704 --> 00:15:45,978 REPLACE DEFECTIVE GENES. BUT THERE'S A CATCH. MANY COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A SINGLE DOSE. 125 00:15:46,045 --> 00:15:53,819 AND AMERICAN HEALTHCARE HASN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO PAY. WE WONDERED HOW MEDICINE COULD BE PRICED SO HIGH AND HOW 126 00:15:53,886 --> 00:15:59,892 INSURANCE PLANS COULD REFUSE A LIFE SAVING TREATMENT. SO WE ASKED THE PEOPLE YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET. 127 00:15:59,958 --> 00:16:07,933 A DRUG MAKER WHOSE COMPANY CHARGES THREE MILLION FOR ITS MEDICATION, A CEO WHOSE INSURANCE PLAN WON'T PAY, AND A 128 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:18,744 MOTHER NAMED CIJI GREEN. CIJI WAS OVERJOYED THAT A NEW DRUG COULD SAVE THE LIFE OF HER DAUGHTER, MAISIE, UNTIL SHE 129 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:30,823 FOUND NO ONE WOULD PAY THE PRICE OF LIFE. TINY MAISIE WAS BORN IN 2017. CIJI GREEN SAYS, THAT FROM THE 130 00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:35,160 START, HER DAUGHTER WAS MYSTERIOUSLY ILL. >> WHEN YOU BROUGHT MAISIE HOME, WHAT DID YOU BEGIN TO 131 00:16:35,227 --> 00:16:41,400 NOTICE? >> INITIALLY, SHE JUST SOUNDED LIKE SHE HAD A COLD ALL THE TIME. 132 00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:49,475 SHE JUST SOUNDED REALLY CONGESTED. AND AFTER -- I'D SAY, LIKE, TWO WEEKS I NOTICED THAT MAISIE, 133 00:16:49,541 --> 00:16:54,012 LIKE, WASN'T HOLDING HER HEAD AT ALL. SHE WAS JUST LIKE JELLO. HER HEAD, LIKE NECK, WAS LIKE 134 00:16:54,079 --> 00:17:02,821 JELLO. AND HER HEAD WOULD JUST FLOP. >> CIJI HAD A FEELING SOMETHING WAS TERRIBLY WRONG SOMETHING 135 00:17:02,888 --> 00:17:12,564 DOCTORS COULDN'T NAME UNTIL ONE TOOK A BLOOD SAMPLE TO TEST FOR SPINAL MUSCULAR ATROPHY SMA. >> AND SHE LEFT WITH THE BLOOD, 136 00:17:12,631 --> 00:17:17,569 AND SHE CAME BACK, AND SHE GOES, "YOU HEARD ME WHEN I SAID WE'RE TESTING FOR SMA?" AND I SAID, "YES. 137 00:17:17,636 --> 00:17:28,313 I HEARD." AND SHE GOES, "DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?" AND I GO, "NO." 138 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:34,953 AND SHE PUT HER HAND OUT, AND I SAID, "PLEASE DON'T TOUCH ME. PLEASE DON'T TOUCH ME," 'CAUSE I KNEW -- I KNEW EVERYTHING I 139 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:41,493 HAD BEEN FEELING. "PLEASE DON'T TOUCH ME." I SAID, "WHAT CAN -- WHAT CAN WE DO? 140 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:48,200 WHAT CAN YOU DO?" AND SHE SHOOK HER HEAD. AND SHE SAID, "LOVE HER AND SQUEEZE HER." 141 00:17:48,267 --> 00:18:00,579 >> A MISSING GENE CAUSED MAISIE'S MUSCLES TO WASTE AWAY. SMA IS OFTEN FATAL BY AGE 2. THEN, JUST IN TIME, IN 2019, 142 00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:10,589 SOMETHING LIKE A MIRACLE WAS APPROVED BY THE FDA. JUST ONE DOSE OF A DRUG CALLED ZOLGENSMA CAN REPLACE THE GENE 143 00:18:10,656 --> 00:18:18,997 TO STOP THE DISEASE. BUT THE DOSE IS $2 MILLION. MAISIE WAS ON HER STATE'S MEDICAID. 144 00:18:19,064 --> 00:18:26,138 THE INSURANCE COMPANY THAT MANAGED MEDICAID SAID IT WOULD NOT PAY. >> I BECAME VERY ANGRY, TO 145 00:18:26,205 --> 00:18:36,114 KNOW, THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP HER. AND I KNEW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT I WAS BURYING MY 146 00:18:36,181 --> 00:18:42,788 DAUGHTER BEFORE SHE WAS 2. IT WAS CHEAPER FOR HER TO DIE. THEY WERE BANKING ON HER DYING. >> MAISIE'S STORY IS A VIEW ON 147 00:18:42,855 --> 00:18:53,499 WHAT'S COMING TO AMERICAN HEALTHCARE. BECAUSE, TODAY, THERE ARE MORE THAN 300 HIGH-COST GENETIC 148 00:18:53,565 --> 00:19:00,973 THERAPIES IN CLINICAL TRIALS SOME FOR DISEASES SUFFERED BY MILLIONS OF PATIENTS. >> I LIKEN IT TO A COMING 149 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:07,779 TSUNAMI, WHICH IS BASICALLY GONNA OVERWHELM THE EMPLOYER- SPONSORED INSURANCE SYSTEM. >> FEW KNOW HEALTHCARE FINANCE 150 00:19:07,846 --> 00:19:14,520 AS WELL AS JONATHAN GRUBER. HE'S CHAIR OF ECONOMICS AT MIT AND AN ARCHITECT OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 151 00:19:14,586 --> 00:19:20,025 >> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE GENETIC CELL AND GENE THERAPIES THAT TREAT CANCER OR HEART DISEASE, WHICH ARE MUCH MORE 152 00:19:20,092 --> 00:19:25,030 COMMON? THAT'S WHEN THE TSUNAMI HITS, AND WE'RE THREATENED TO BE UNDER WATER. 153 00:19:25,097 --> 00:19:34,206 >> WHAT PROBLEMS ARE THE HIGH PRICES ALREADY CAUSING TODAY? >> THE FIRST PROBLEM IS THAT MANY COMPANIES IN AMERICA ARE 154 00:19:34,273 --> 00:19:40,579 WHAT WE CALL SELF-INSURED. THEY PAY THEIR OWN MEDICAL BILLS. ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THE INSURED 155 00:19:40,646 --> 00:19:47,953 IN AMERICA ARE IN SUCH ARRANGEMENTS. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THIS, SO THEY'RE FACING A DIFFICULT 156 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:53,559 FINANCIAL DECISION, WHICH IS, "DO I COVER THIS DRUG AND POTENTIALLY GO BANKRUPT? OR DO I NOT HELP MY UNLUCKY 157 00:19:53,625 --> 00:20:02,601 EMPLOYEE?" >> THAT'S THE PAINFUL QUESTION MIKE POORE FACED. >> IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT ONLY 158 00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:10,909 THE RICH CAN AFFORD THE BEST CARE. >> POORE IS CEO OF MOSAIC LIFE CARE, A NON-PROFIT HOSPITAL 159 00:20:10,976 --> 00:20:21,486 SYSTEM IN MISSOURI WITH ABOUT 5,000 EMPLOYEES. IN 2023, MOSAIC DECIDED NOT TO COVER GENE THERAPIES BECAUSE 160 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:31,463 MIKE POORE TOLD US, EMPLOYEE PREMIUMS WOULD JUMP $125 A MONTH. BUT A FEW MONTHS LATER, AN 161 00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:38,337 EMPLOYEE HAD TWINS WITH SMA LIKE MAISIE. >> AND THE GENE THERAPY FOR THE TWINS WOULD BE $4.2 MILLION. 162 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:48,180 >> YES. >> DENIED COVERAGE, THE FAMILY WENT PUBLIC AND BLAMED MOSAIC. >> I GOT DEATH THREATS. 163 00:20:48,246 --> 00:20:58,490 MY FAMILY -- WAS THREATENED. >> WHAT DID YOU DO TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY? >> ACTUALLY SENT THEM AWAY AND 164 00:20:58,557 --> 00:21:03,929 DECIDED TO YOU KNOW STAY ON AT THE HOSPITAL AND THEN JUST WORK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHILDREN GOT THE CARE THEY 165 00:21:03,996 --> 00:21:11,403 NEEDED. >> FROM THE MOMENT HIS HEALTH PLAN DENIED THE CLAIM, MIKE POORE APPEALED TO 166 00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:20,445 PHILANTHROPISTS AND LEGISLATORS. FINALLY, STATE MEDICAID PAID TO TREAT THE TWINS. 167 00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:29,521 >> WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ONE SITUATION. BUT IT IS A BELLWETHER OF WHAT 168 00:21:29,588 --> 00:21:37,195 IS TO COME. EVERY NEW GENE THERAPY BREAKS A RECORD FOR THE MOST EXPENSIVE DRUG EVER. 169 00:21:37,262 --> 00:21:42,434 >> YOU SEEM TO BE SAYING THERE'S A STORM COMING. >> THERE'S DEFINITELY A STORM COMING. 170 00:21:42,501 --> 00:21:52,577 >> WHO CHARGES MILLIONS FOR A DRUG? DOUG INGRAM IS AMONG THEM. THE CEO OF SAREPTA THERAPEUTICS 171 00:21:52,644 --> 00:22:01,553 TOOK US INTO A FREEZER AT 4 DEGREES BELOW ZERO WHERE HE STORES ELEVIDYS WHICH COSTS $3.2 MILLION FOR ONE DOSE, 172 00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:09,995 WHICH MAY BE ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO SLOW DUCHENNE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY -- A MUSCLE WASTING DISEASE THAT CONFRONTS PARENTS 173 00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:21,339 WITH THIS PROGNOSIS. >> THEY'RE ALWAYS TOLD, "YOUR BOY HAS DUCHENNE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY. 174 00:22:21,406 --> 00:22:26,311 THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. GO HOME, LOVE HIM, BECAUSE THIS DISEASE IS GONNA STEAL HIM FROM 175 00:22:26,378 --> 00:22:32,250 YOU BIT BY BIT, DAY BY DAY, AND HE WILL DIE. AND YOU GOTTA GET USED TO THAT." 176 00:22:32,317 --> 00:22:37,255 >> PEOPLE HEAR $3.2 MILLION FOR YOUR DRUG, AND THEY THINK, "GREED." >> HERE'S WHAT THEY SHOULD 177 00:22:37,322 --> 00:22:46,164 THINK. SO, FIRST OF ALL, IF THE QUESTION IS, "IS THIS THE RIGHT PRICE, OR ONLY PRICE, AND CAN 178 00:22:46,231 --> 00:22:52,471 SOCIETY AFFORD THIS?" YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME SAY THAT IT ABSOLUTELY IS AND SOCIETY ABSOLUTELY CAN AFFORD 179 00:22:52,537 --> 00:23:01,179 IT. AND WE'LL GO INTO THAT. IF YOU'RE ASKING ME WHETHER THIS IS THE SORT OF PRICE THAT 180 00:23:01,246 --> 00:23:06,218 WE SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH AND SATISFIED IN THE LONG TERM WITH GENE THERAPIES IN GENETIC MEDICINE, I'M GONNA TELL YOU 181 00:23:06,284 --> 00:23:14,459 ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> INGRAM'S COMPANY USES AN ENGINEERED GENE THAT INSTRUCTS THE CHILD'S CELLS TO MAKE A 182 00:23:14,526 --> 00:23:23,902 PROTEIN TO PROTECT THE MUSCLES. A MODIFIED VIRUS CARRIES THE GENE TO THE CELLS. DEVELOPMENT TOOK 18 YEARS. 183 00:23:23,969 --> 00:23:30,909 >> SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS COULD YOU EVEN DO THIS AND DO THIS SAFELY? THE SECOND QUESTION THAT WAS 184 00:23:30,976 --> 00:23:37,549 OBVIOUS IS IF YOU COULD, YOU HAVE TO MANUFACTURE THIS STUFF. AND AT THE MOMENT IN TIME WE DID THE CALCULATION YOU NEEDED 185 00:23:37,616 --> 00:23:45,190 MORE GENE THERAPY MANUFACTURING CAPACITY THAN ALL OF THE CAPACITY THAT EXISTS ON THE PLANET EARTH, AT THE TIME. 186 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:53,231 EVERY COMPANY, EVERY RESEARCH FACILITY, EVERY UNIVERSITY. AND WE'D NEVER MADE A VIAL OF ANYTHING THAT LOOKED LIKE A 187 00:23:53,298 --> 00:23:59,638 GENE THERAPY AT THAT MOMENT. AND THE NEXT THING, YOU'D HAVE TO RAISE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. YOU HAVE TO GO TO INVESTORS AND 188 00:23:59,704 --> 00:24:04,743 PAINT A PICTURE OF THE FUTURE AND LITERALLY RAISE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO THIS. WE DIDN'T HAVE BILLIONS OF 189 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:14,085 DOLLARS. >> IT TOOK $3 BILLION TO CREATE ELEVIDYS, ACCORDING TO INGRAM. ONE OF HIS CHALLENGES NOW IS 190 00:24:14,152 --> 00:24:22,828 RECOUPING THAT INVESTMENT IN A RARE DISEASE THAT HAS ONLY ABOUT 15,000 PATIENTS IN THE U.S. INGRAM SAYS THE PRICE WILL 191 00:24:22,894 --> 00:24:32,637 COME DOWN WITH MANUFACTURING EXPERIENCE, FUTURE COMPETITION AND, IN HIS VIEW, STREAMLINED FEDERAL REGULATIONS. 192 00:24:32,704 --> 00:24:41,713 >> TODAY, ON AVERAGE, IT TAKES MORE THAN TEN YEARS TO DEVELOP A THERAPY. IT COSTS NEARLY $3 BILLION ON 193 00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:47,786 AVERAGE TO MAKE A THERAPY. AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT JOURNEY, THE PROBABILITY OF IT BEING SUCCESSFUL IS NEARLY 194 00:24:47,853 --> 00:24:53,758 ZERO. AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, OF COURSE THERAPIES WHEN THEY'RE EVENTUALLY APPROVED ARE GOING 195 00:24:53,825 --> 00:25:01,199 TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIX THAT. WE'VE HAD 60-70 YEARS OF 196 00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:08,240 LAYERING AND LAYERING AND LAYERING OF REQUIREMENTS, ALL FOR THE LAUDABLE GOAL OF ENSURING THAT THE THERAPIES 197 00:25:08,306 --> 00:25:14,779 THAT ARE APPROVED IN THE UNITED STATES ARE BOTH SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. WE HAVE TO DO THE HARD WORK OF 198 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:21,219 GETTING UNDER THAT AND STRIPPING IT DOWN TO THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, INFORMED BY THE 199 00:25:21,286 --> 00:25:27,025 SCIENCE THAT WE HAVE TODAY, NOT THE SCIENCE WE HAD IN THE '60s, AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THERAPIES LESS THAN $3 BILLION 200 00:25:27,092 --> 00:25:35,133 WITH A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS. >> DESPITE MIXED RESULTS, THE FDA APPROVED ELEVIDYS. 201 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:41,439 ABOUT 1100 PATIENTS HAVE BEEN TREATED. TWO DIED OF LIVER FAILURE. ABOUT HALF OF THE PATIENTS WERE 202 00:25:41,506 --> 00:25:50,515 COVERED BY MEDICAID. IT'S TOO SOON TO FULLY EVALUATE HOW WELL ELEVIDYS IS WORKING. BUT THE VIAL DOUG INGRAM SHOWED 203 00:25:50,582 --> 00:25:57,956 US WAS MADE FOR A BOY NAMED LEIGHTON. AND MONTHS AFTER HIS TREATMENT, LEIGHTON'S PARENTS TOLD US HE 204 00:25:58,023 --> 00:26:05,497 IS, QUOTE, "THRIVING", "STRONGER", AND "MORE INDEPENDENT." >> IS THERE A BAD GUY IN THIS 205 00:26:05,563 --> 00:26:14,773 EQUATION? EMPLOYERS WHO WON'T PAY, DRUG COMPANIES THAT ARE CHARGING ENORMOUS FEES FOR THESE DRUGS? 206 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:24,816 >> THE MANUFACTURER IS NOT THE BAD GUY. THE COMPANY'S NOT THE BAD GUY. REALLY, THERE'S NO BAD GUYS 207 00:26:24,883 --> 00:26:30,722 HERE, SCOTT. WE JUST HAVE TO RECOGNIZE AS SOCIETY THAT SOMETHING'S CHANGED. 208 00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:35,927 WE HAVE A NEW MIRACULOUS AND EXPENSIVE MODE OF TREATMENT, AND WE SOCIETY NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO ACT 209 00:26:35,994 --> 00:26:41,599 JOINTLY TO ABSORB THOSE COSTS. >> ECONOMIST JONATHAN GRUBER SAYS IN HIS VIEW ABSORBING THOSE COSTS WILL REQUIRE 210 00:26:41,666 --> 00:26:50,475 GOVERNMENT SUPPORT AND NEGOTIATED PRICES. UNTIL THEN, PARENTS INCLUDING CIJI GREEN MUST IMPROVISE. 211 00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:57,048 GREEN PURSUED PHILANTHROPY FOR HER DAUGHTER MAISIE, SET UP A GO-FUND-ME PAGE AND DEMANDED A MEETING WITH THE INSURANCE 212 00:26:57,115 --> 00:27:06,091 COMPANY. >> YOU WANTED THEM TO LOOK HER IN THE EYE. >> YES, I WANTED THEM TO LOOK 213 00:27:06,157 --> 00:27:13,398 HER IN THE EYE AND SAY WE'RE THE REASON YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. >> THE INSURANCE BOARD BLINKED. 214 00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:22,440 MASIE RECEIVED THE GENETIC THERAPY DRUG ZOLGENSMA IN 2019. >> ONE DOSE, ONE HOUR, AND THE EFFECT WAS WHAT? 215 00:27:22,507 --> 00:27:30,415 >> YOU CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE IT. AMAZING. AMAZING MAISIE. IT CHANGED HER LIFE. 216 00:27:30,482 --> 00:27:37,722 IT CHANGED OUR LIFE. IT WAS WHAT SHE NEEDED. >> CAN WE MEET HER NOW? >> YOU SURE CAN. 217 00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:48,266 WE'D LOVE TO MEET MAISIE. >> EXPECTED TO DIE BY AGE 2, SHE WAS 6 WHEN WE MET. AFTER A TREATMENT SO SUCCESSFUL 218 00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:55,006 THAT CIJI HAS APPEARED IN TESTIMONIALS FOR THE DRUG COMPANY. THE IMPAIRMENT SUFFERED BEFORE 219 00:27:55,073 --> 00:28:02,247 THE DRUG CANNOT BE REVERSED. MAISIE DOESN'T WALK, BUT SHE'S MAKING STRAIGHT A'S IN SCHOOL. >> HI, MAISIE. 220 00:28:02,313 --> 00:28:09,754 >> HI. >> CIJI TOLD US THE PROGRESS OF THE DISEASE APPEARS TO HAVE STOPPED. 221 00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:16,094 AND WHAT IS THE PRICE OF THAT? >> THAT PRECIOUS LITTLE WAVE. >> I'M SO GLAD TO MEET YOU. >> CAN YOU SAY, "NICE TO MEET 222 00:28:16,161 --> 00:28:24,769 YOU?" >> NICE TO MEET YOU. >> YOUR OWN MIRACLE. >> MY VERY OWN MIRACLE. 223 00:28:33,411 --> 00:28:42,153 [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> INDIANA IS THE SETTING FOR THREE ALL-TIME GREAT SPORTS MOVIES "HOOSIERS", "RUDY", 224 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:51,296 AND "BREAKING AWAY". AND NOW, COMES ANOTHER CINEMATIC UNDERDOG STORY SET IN THE STATE. 225 00:28:51,362 --> 00:28:56,034 EXCEPT THIS ONE IS UNSCRIPTED. OVER THE LAST CENTURY, DEFEAT HAS BEEN THE NEAR-CONSTANT COMPANION OF INDIANA UNIVERSITY 226 00:28:56,101 --> 00:29:01,673 FOOTBALL. BUT THEN ARRIVED A NEW COACH WHO'D NEVER GOTTEN A SHOT AT THE BIG-TIME. 227 00:29:01,739 --> 00:29:07,445 HE BROUGHT NEW PLAYERS, A NEW ENERGY AND CUE MUSIC SUDDENLY, HOOSIER HYSTERIA REIGNS AS TOP-RANKED INDIANA IS 228 00:29:07,512 --> 00:29:14,052 THE UNLIKELY DARLING OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. THE HOOSIERS ARE UNDEFEATED, JUST UPSET POWERHOUSE OHIO 229 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:22,427 STATE, AND MIGHT WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE CREDITS ROLL. >> THEY COME FROM THE CITIES 230 00:29:22,494 --> 00:29:31,369 AND THEY COME FROM THE SMALLER TOWNS. MORE THAN 55,000 FANS, CONVERGING ON BLOOMINGTON TO 231 00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:41,679 WATCH THE INDIANA HOOSIERS. BUILT FROM LIMESTONE EXTRACTED FROM LOCAL QUARRIES, MEMORIAL STADIUM IS 65 YEARS OLD. 232 00:29:41,746 --> 00:29:50,355 BUT THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW LOOK. HOME TO A FOOTBALL DYNAMO. INDIANA HAD ALWAYS BEEN A 233 00:29:50,421 --> 00:29:57,328 BASKETBALL SCHOOL -- NO LONGER. >> FERNANDO THROWS IT TO THE END ZONE TOUCHDOWN INDIANA! >> THIS SEASON, THE HOOSIERS 234 00:29:57,395 --> 00:30:02,634 HAVE WON AT HOME AND ON THE ROAD. >> HERE COMES THE PRESSURE -- THROWS TO THE CORNER, TOUCHDOWN 235 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:07,739 SARRATT! >> THEY'VE WON IN BLOWOUTS. AND WON WITH THEIR SEASON ON THE BRINK. 236 00:30:07,805 --> 00:30:17,882 >> MENDOZA -- IN TROUBLE -- TOUCHDOWN, WOW! >> THIS GAME-WINNING TOUCHDOWN AGAINST PENN STATE STANDS AS 237 00:30:17,949 --> 00:30:23,988 THE PLAY-OF-THE-YEAR IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. AND THEY'RE HARDLY DOING IT WITH PRIZED RECRUITS. 238 00:30:24,055 --> 00:30:29,827 >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ON OUR TEAM, WHETHER IT'S COACHES, PLAYERS OR STAFF, HAVE ALL BEEN OVERLOOKED. 239 00:30:29,894 --> 00:30:35,133 >> YOU SAY OUTCASTS AND TRANSFERS AND REJECTS. YOU GUYS ARE DOING PRETTY WELL. >> WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY WE'RE 240 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,970 LIKE, FOR SURE OUTCASTS AND REJECTS. I THINK WE'RE ALL STILL REALLY, REALLY GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS 241 00:30:39,037 --> 00:30:46,211 HERE. >> THAT'S FERNANDO MENDOZA, INDIANA'S STAR QUARTERBACK. HE'S COME TO EMBODY THE TEAM. 242 00:30:46,277 --> 00:30:52,483 A FEW YEARS AGO HE WAS A MIDDLING MIAMI HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER. JUST LAST NIGHT, HE WON THE 243 00:30:52,550 --> 00:30:58,256 HEISMAN TROPHY, THE FIRST IN IU HISTORY. >> CAN YOU PAUSE, FOR A SECOND, AND ADMIRE THE STORY? 244 00:30:58,323 --> 00:31:02,360 >> HUMAN NATURE IS LIKE, WOW, LIKE, HOW DID I GET HERE? AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPOSTER SYNDROME FROM THAT 245 00:31:02,427 --> 00:31:06,464 POINT. WHOA, AM I SUPPOSED TO BE HERE? I WAS A TWO-STAR RECRUIT. I WASN'T A FIVE-STAR. 246 00:31:06,531 --> 00:31:10,201 WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS POSITION, WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE NUMBER ONE TEAM IN THE NATION. 247 00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:13,404 >> TALK ABOUT YOUR IMPOSTER ONE. SYNDROME DOES THE PROGRAM STILL HAVE 248 00:31:13,471 --> 00:31:18,176 IMPOSTER SYNDROME? >> I THINK THAT WE BELIEVE. WE BELIEVE. >> THE BELIEF HAS BEEN HARD- 249 00:31:18,243 --> 00:31:25,450 WON. INDIANA ENTERED THIS SEASON AS THE LOSINGEST PROGRAM IN MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL HISTORY, MORE 250 00:31:25,516 --> 00:31:35,326 THAN 700 DEFEATS. >> SARRATT -- CAUGHT! TOUCHDOWN INDIANA! >> SO IMAGINE THE ASTONISHMENT 251 00:31:35,393 --> 00:31:40,798 LAST WEEKEND WHEN INDIANA TOOK DOWN THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPION, UNDEFEATED OHIO STATE, TO WIN THE BIG TEN 252 00:31:40,865 --> 00:31:47,905 TITLE. THE PREVIOUS TIME INDIANA WAS CONFERENCE CHAMPION? 1967. 253 00:31:47,972 --> 00:31:54,612 >> PAINT THE PICTURE OF IU FOOTBALL THE FIRST 50 YEARS YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB. >> I'D SAY UP AND DOWN EXCEPT 254 00:31:54,679 --> 00:32:03,421 THAT MOST OF IT'S BEEN DOWN. >> 40 -- 35 -- DOWN TO THE 30. >> DON FISCHER HAS BEEN THE VOICE OF INDIANA FOOTBALL SINCE 255 00:32:03,488 --> 00:32:09,761 1973. >> THIS IS THE GREATEST TURNAROUND -- AND I HATE THAT WORD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT 256 00:32:09,827 --> 00:32:14,399 EXPRESSES REALLY WHAT THESE LAST TWO SEASONS HAVE BEEN LIKE HERE IN INDIANA. >> TURNAROUND DOESN'T DO ENOUGH 257 00:32:14,465 --> 00:32:18,603 LIFTING. IT'S EVEN BIGGER THAN THAT. >> NO. IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT A GOOD 258 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:23,641 ENOUGH TERM. >> SO I'M THINKIN' PEYTON MANNING WINS THE SUPER BOWL LIKE AN HOUR UP THE ROAD. 259 00:32:23,708 --> 00:32:28,546 AND YOU'VE GOT NOTRE DAME. FOOTBALL IS NOT AN ALIEN SPORT TO INDIANA. WHY DID IT SEEM SO HARD TO 260 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:34,052 UNLOCK IT HERE? >> A BIG PROBLEM FOR INDIANA WAS WE COULD NOT RECRUIT OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE 261 00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:38,423 LINEMEN. >> BIG BOYS. >>THE BIG GUYS. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE VERY MANY 262 00:32:38,489 --> 00:32:43,127 OF 'EM. AND FOOTBALL HERE WAS NOT A BIG SPORT -- IT JUST HADN'T CLICKED AS A FOOTBALL PLACE. 263 00:32:43,194 --> 00:32:49,300 >> WAS THERE ONE LOW MOMENT? >> OH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ONE. >> HERE'S ONE. 264 00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:57,208 IT'S INDIANA LEGEND, BUT THE CHARISMATIC COACH AT THE TIME, LEE CORSO, CONFIRMS IT TO US. IN A 1976 GAME, LOWLY INDIANA 265 00:32:57,275 --> 00:33:05,683 TOOK AN EARLY 7-6 LEAD OVER MIGHTY OHIO STATE, SO UNEXPECTED THAT CORSO BURNED A TIME-OUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF 266 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:14,225 COMMEMORATIVE PHOTOS. WHEN THE GAME ENDED, INDIANA STILL HAD 7 POINTS. OHIO STATE HAD -- 47. 267 00:33:14,292 --> 00:33:21,265 ONE DIEHARD FAN IN ATTENDANCE THAT AFTERNOON, JOHN MELLENCAMP, BARD OF INDIANA, WHO'S BEEN GOING TO HOOSIER 268 00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:26,637 GAMES EVER SINCE HIS FATHER TOOK HIM AS A KID. IN THE '90s, HE FUNDED THIS INDOOR PRACTICE FACILITY, IN 269 00:33:26,704 --> 00:33:32,310 HOPES IT WOULD LURE RECRUITS. >> YOU'VE BEEN A FAN FOR, LIKE, 50 YEARS. YOU'RE NOT A BANDWAGON GUY. 270 00:33:32,377 --> 00:33:37,115 >> NO. NO, I -- I'VE BEEN AROUND THROUGH THICK AND THIN. >> HOW THIN DID IT GET? 271 00:33:37,181 --> 00:33:45,623 >> PRETTY THIN. >> HE SAYS THAT FOR YEARS THE TAILGATES DREW MORE INTEREST THAN THE ACTUAL GAMES. 272 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:52,263 >> YOU'RE GOIN' TO THESE FOOTBALL GAMES AND THE STADIUM'S HALF FULL AND FANS ARE LEAVING -- AT HALF TIME. 273 00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:57,101 >> WHOA -- WHOA, WHOA, THEY'RE NOT EVEN HALF FULL. >> LESS THAN HALF FULL. >> YEAH, LESS THAN HALF FULL. 274 00:33:57,168 --> 00:34:05,343 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IF THIS IS THE STADIUM, THERE'S JUST, LIKE, A FEW PEOPLE UP HERE. >> IN 2023, YET ANOTHER DISMAL 275 00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:10,648 SEASON, THE TEAM FINISHED 3-9 AND THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR SCOTT DOLSON SET OUT IN SEARCH OF ANSWERS. 276 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:16,154 >> WHAT WAS THE HOLE YOU HAD TO FILL? >> I THINK -- CERTAINLY THE RIGHT COACH IS -- IS THE 277 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:21,559 BIGGEST HOLE TO FILL. >> AS HE SCOURED FOR CANDIDATES, HE HAD SOME NON- NEGOTIABLES. 278 00:34:21,626 --> 00:34:26,130 >> WE WANTED AN EXISTING HEAD COACH. WE WANTED A COACH WHO WAS OFFENSIVE MINDED, WHO HAD 279 00:34:26,197 --> 00:34:30,635 DEVELOPED QUARTERBACKS. >> SO THE -- THE SLICK, OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AT THE BIG SCHOOL, THAT'S NOT WHO YOU 280 00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:34,439 WANTED? >> NO. WE REALLY FELT HAVING THAT HEAD COACH EXPERIENCE WAS -- WAS 281 00:34:34,505 --> 00:34:40,144 REALLY IMPORTANT. >> DOLSON WENT OFF THE BOARD AND SETTLED ON A LITTLE-KNOWN LIFER -- WHO'D WON 282 00:34:40,211 --> 00:34:46,417 RELENTLESSLY, BUT ALSO BEEN OVERLOOKED RELENTLESSLY. >> SO TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN CURT CIGNETTI'S NAME SURFACES AS A 283 00:34:46,484 --> 00:34:50,221 CANDIDATE, WHAT'D YOU KNOW ABOUT HIM? ANYTHING? >> NOTHING. 284 00:34:50,288 --> 00:34:55,026 >> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING COLLEGE FOOTBALL FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS, AND YOU'VE NEVER HEARD HIS NAME BEFORE. 285 00:34:55,092 --> 00:34:59,197 >> NEVER HEARD HIS NAME. >> WOW. >> AND WHEN HE BECAME THE HIRE -- I WAS SURPRISED BY IT, BUT 286 00:34:59,263 --> 00:35:02,867 THEN I LOOKED HIM UP A LITTLE BIT. I GOOGLE -- I GOOGLED HIM. >> YOU GOOGLED HIM? 287 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:07,138 >> YES, I DID. >> THAT WAS A DIRECT ORDER FROM THE NEW COACH. >> HOW DO YOU SELL YOUR VISION 288 00:35:07,205 --> 00:35:12,610 OF YOUR CULTURE? >> MERE WEEKS ON THE JOB TIRED OF THE WHO-ARE-YOU? QUESTIONS CURT CIGNETTI 289 00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:17,381 DROPPED HIS USUAL MODESTY AND SAID THIS -- >> IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. I WIN. 290 00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:24,989 GOOGLE ME. >> HERE'S WHAT GOOGLING WOULD HAVE REVEALED. CIGNETTI PINBALLED AROUND THE 291 00:35:25,056 --> 00:35:31,095 COUNTRY'S SIDELINES -- ONCE AN ASSISTANT FOR NICK SABAN AT ALABAMA, HE LEFT THE BIG TIME TO TAKE HEAD COACHING JOBS AT 292 00:35:31,162 --> 00:35:38,269 SMALLER SCHOOLS, LIKE ELON UNIVERSITY AND JAMES MADISON. WHEN INDIANA CALLED, CIGNETTI WAS WELL BEYOND THE USUAL SELL- 293 00:35:38,336 --> 00:35:44,709 BY DATE FOR A MAIDEN JOB AT THIS LEVEL. >> YOU'VE HAD TERRIFIC SUCCESS WHEREVER YOU'VE BEEN. 294 00:35:44,775 --> 00:35:52,683 BUT AT AGE 62 THIS WAS YOUR FIRST POWER FOUR, BIG-TIME JOB. DID YOU COME IN HERE WITH A BIT OF A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER? 295 00:35:52,750 --> 00:36:00,691 >> THE CHIP PROBABLY CAME FROM WHEN I GOT HERE. RIGHT AWAY I DETECTED AN ATMOSPHERE THAT, "YOU CAN'T GET 296 00:36:00,758 --> 00:36:05,496 IT DONE HERE." >> YOU SENSED THAT? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. AS SOON AS I WALKED IN THE 297 00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:10,301 BUILDING. FACILITIES THAT HAD BEEN NEGLECTED. THE STADIUM BANNERS THAT LOOKED 298 00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:16,807 OLD. THE OFFICES THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE FROM 1980. AND THEN -- YOU KNOW, JUST THE 299 00:36:16,874 --> 00:36:24,348 GENERAL ATTITUDE OF THE PEOPLE I MET, THE LACK OF EXCITEMENT. >> COMING FROM A WINNING PROGRAM, HE WAS, WELL -- 300 00:36:24,415 --> 00:36:29,053 >> I WAS -- FURIOUS, PRETTY MUCH. 'CAUSE ALL WE DID WAS WIN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS YEAR 301 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,758 IN, YEAR OUT AS A STAFF. >> AT-- AT YOUR OLD SCHOOL. >> YEAH. AND -- I MEAN, WE -- WE WIN. 302 00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:38,729 AND SO IT WAS A CLASHING OF TWO WORLDS. AND I WASN'T GONNA LOWER MY STANDARDS. 303 00:36:38,796 --> 00:36:50,841 >> IT ERUPTED WHEN CIGNETTI WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO FANS AT AN INDIANA BASKETBALL GAME. >> PURDUE SUCKS -- BUT SO DOES 304 00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:59,951 MICHIGAN AND OHIO STATE! GO IU! >> AS THE KIDS SAY, SHOTS FIRED. 305 00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:05,923 >> I HAD TO SEE IF THE FANS WERE DEAD OR JUST ON LIFE SUPPORT. I HAD TO WAKE 'EM UP, AND SET 306 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:11,562 AN EXPECTATION, AND CREATE SOME -- SOME BUZZ AND EXCITEMENT. >> YOU THINK THEY WOKE UP? >> LITTLE BIT. 307 00:37:11,629 --> 00:37:17,768 >> GET LOCKED IN, GOOD WARM-UP. >> THE IRONY -- CIGNETTI IS SKEPTICAL OF ANYTHING RESEMBLING LOOK-AT-ME. 308 00:37:17,835 --> 00:37:23,507 HE MAY BE FROM PENNSYLVANIA, BUT HIS TEMPERAMENT IS PITCH PERFECT FOR SOUTHERN INDIANA -- HE'S MEASURED. 309 00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:29,880 HE COMMANDS RESPECT. HIS FALLBACK LANGUAGE IS COACHSPEAK. >> COACHES AREN'T IN THE HABIT 310 00:37:29,947 --> 00:37:36,420 OF SHARING THE PLAYBOOK, BUT WHAT IS THE MAGIC HERE? >> THERE'S NO MAGIC HERE. THE -- IT'S FUNDAMENTALS. 311 00:37:36,487 --> 00:37:41,659 YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE LEADER, WHICH IS ME, KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOIN', AND HAS A BLUEPRINT, AND A PLAN. 312 00:37:41,726 --> 00:37:46,764 CREATE THE INTANGIBLES ON YOUR FOOTBALL TEAM, THE CULTURE, THE MINDSET, THE PHILOSOPHY ON HOW YOU WANNA PLAY. 313 00:37:46,831 --> 00:37:54,905 >> UNDER CIGNETTI, THE PROGRAM IS UNRECOGNIZABLE. THE LAST TWO SEASONS, INDIANA HAS GONE 24-2 WITHOUT LOSING A 314 00:37:54,972 --> 00:38:03,381 HOME GAME -- THAT'S THE "WHAT". THE "HOW" IS MORE COMPLICATED. IT STARTS WITH THE COACH. NOT JUST HIS EYE FOR RECRUITING 315 00:38:03,447 --> 00:38:11,856 TALENT, BUT HIS ABILITY TO DEVELOP IT ONCE IT ARRIVES -- BASED ON WHAT HE'S SEEING FROM HIS PERCH A SHACK ATOP THE 316 00:38:11,922 --> 00:38:19,030 STADIUM PRESS BOX -- WHERE HE CAN SMOKE -- JOHN MELLENCAMP HAS HIS OWN EXPLANATION FOR CIGNETTI'S SUCCESS. 317 00:38:19,096 --> 00:38:25,369 >> HE DOES NOT SHOW EMOTION. >> HE'S NOT EMOTIONAL. >> NOT OUTWARDLY. NOT OUTWARDLY. 318 00:38:25,436 --> 00:38:34,945 JON, I'VE MADE MY WORST DECISIONS BEING EMOTIONAL. >> THE POISE OF CIGNETTI AND THE TURNAROUND HE'S 319 00:38:35,012 --> 00:38:41,786 ORCHESTRATED? IT MAKES FOR A HELL OF A CINDERELLA STORY BUT THIS IS ALSO A STORY ABOUT CONTEMPORARY 320 00:38:41,852 --> 00:38:51,195 COLLEGE SPORTS. INDIANA'S RISE HAS BEEN HELPED BY NEW RULES. ATHLETES ARE NOW ABLE TO ENTER 321 00:38:51,262 --> 00:38:58,035 THE SO-CALLED "TRANSFER PORTAL" AND SWITCH SCHOOLS AT WILL. CIGNETTI FORTIFIED THE ROSTER BY BRINGING 13 PLAYERS WITH HIM 322 00:38:58,102 --> 00:39:05,176 FROM JAMES MADISON. FERNANDO MENDOZA PLAYED AT CAL- BERKELEY LAST SEASON. THEN THERE'S THE MONEY. 323 00:39:05,242 --> 00:39:12,516 COLLEGE PLAYERS NOW CAN BE PAID, FOR THE LICENSING OF THEIR NAME/IMAGE/AND LIKENESS AND STARTING THIS YEAR, THEY 324 00:39:12,583 --> 00:39:18,789 CAN GET A CUT OF TEAM REVENUE. MENDOZA IS REPORTED TO BE MAKING $2 MILLION THIS SEASON. >> I WROTE A PAPER IN HIGH 325 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:24,462 SCHOOL SAYING WHY NCAA ATHLETES SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET PAID. >> SHOULD NOT BE. >> SHOULD NOT BE. 326 00:39:24,528 --> 00:39:30,835 AND THEN NOW I'M CONTRADICTING MYSELF AS I'M GETTING PAID NOW. SO -- THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT DYNAMICS THAT WERE NEVER THERE 327 00:39:30,901 --> 00:39:36,207 IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SO MANY TEAMS EITHER RISING OR FIZZLING. 328 00:39:36,273 --> 00:39:42,413 JUST BECAUSE THE NEW STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT COMPENSATION IN THE LOCKER ROOM, WHICH IS EITHER 329 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:49,820 UNITING OR DIVIDING A LOCKER ROOM, WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE GOING TO NOT ONLY ONE OR TWO SCHOOLS LIKE MYSELF GOING TO FOUR 330 00:39:49,887 --> 00:39:56,994 SCHOOLS. I MEAN, YOU SEE COACHES LEAVING MIDSEASON, IT IS -- IT'S CHAOS. >> IN 2024, THANKS PARTIALLY TO 331 00:39:57,061 --> 00:40:02,133 NCLUDING IU ALUM MARK DONORS CUBAN INDIANA SPENT MORE THAN $60 MILLION DOLLARS ON FOOTBALL 332 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:09,073 ALONE. THIS, AS THE SCHOOL IS CUTTING ACADEMIC JOBS AND PROGRAMS. >> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL 333 00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:14,411 SAY, "WAIT A SECOND. THESE ARE TOUGH TIMES FOR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. AND YOU'VE GOT $50 MILLION, $60 334 00:40:14,478 --> 00:40:19,283 MILLION BEIN' SPENT ON ONE SPORT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE." >> SO CERTAINLY THE MARKET IS 335 00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:23,854 WHAT THE MARKET IS. AND IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. BUT WE EARN THAT MONEY. WE MAKE IT THROUGH OUR REVENUE 336 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:31,662 STREAMS. AND AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IF WE CAN GET FOOTBALL GOING, THE IMPACT AND 337 00:40:31,729 --> 00:40:36,400 THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE REST OF THE UNIVERSITY ARE -- ARE SIGNIFICANT. >> YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE 338 00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:41,071 MARKETING MEETINGS YOU WANT, AND CHANGING LOGOS, AND UNIFORMS, BUT WINNING GAMES IS WHAT'S GONNA DO IT. 339 00:40:41,138 --> 00:40:46,777 >> ABSOLUTELY. AND I'VE JOKED BEFORE, IF I'DA KNOWN THAT WINNING CONSISTENTLY -- WOULD -- WOULD HAVE THAT 340 00:40:46,844 --> 00:40:52,783 IMPACT, WE SHOULDA TRIED THAT A LONG TIME AGO. >> BIG TEN CHAMPION, INDIANA HOOSIERS! 341 00:40:52,850 --> 00:40:59,824 >> NOW THE NUMBER ONE SEED IN THE UPCOMING COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS, THE HOOSIERS' NEXT GAME IS NEW YEAR'S DAY. 342 00:40:59,890 --> 00:41:06,130 BUT AT INDIANA THE JOY IS TEMPERED BY A FEAR THIS ALL COULD VANISH AS QUICKLY AS IT EMERGED. 343 00:41:06,197 --> 00:41:14,371 THE SCHOOL VOWS TO KEEP SPENDING ON FOOTBALL -- FAR MORE THAN ON BASKETBALL. AND IN HOPES THE COACH DOESN'T 344 00:41:14,438 --> 00:41:20,444 TRANSFER OUT, INDIANA RECENTLY GAVE CIGNETTI AN EIGHT-YEAR, $90 MILLION CONTRACT, MORE THAN 15 TIMES HIS COMPENSATION AT 345 00:41:20,511 --> 00:41:25,716 HIS LAST JOB. >> BEEN AROUND THIS SPORT A LONG TIME. IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT NOW THAN 346 00:41:25,783 --> 00:41:30,054 IT WAS WHEN YOU STARTED. DO YOU EMBRACE THAT? >> OH, YOU HAVE TO EMBRACE THAT. 347 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,724 IF NOT, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEIN' SUCCESSFUL. >> DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. 348 00:41:33,791 --> 00:41:37,228 THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THE ROAD? >> YOU GOTTA ADAPT, ADJUST, AND IMPROVISE. 349 00:41:37,294 --> 00:41:43,734 >> TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YA. >> ATTACK AT ALL TIMES. 350 00:41:47,471 --> 00:42:00,017 >> AIDAN FISHER ON THE KEY TO INDIANA'S FOOTBALL SUCCESS. >> THE TWO BEST WORDS I 351 00:42:01,151 --> 00:42:07,358 >> THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITEDHEALTHCARE. COVERAGE YOU CAN COUNT ON FOR 352 00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:19,169 YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD. >>> NEXT WEEK, "60 MINUTES" REACHES A NEW HIGH AS CECILIA GA TREKS TO MOUNT EVEREST. 353 00:42:19,236 --> 00:42:25,276 HER GUIDES WERE THE SHERPAS WHO RISK THEIR LIVES TO ASSIST CLIMBERS. LEADING THE EXPEDITION WAS A 19- 354 00:42:25,342 --> 00:42:38,155 YEAR-OLD SHERPA. HE SET A RECORD AS THE YOUNGEST PERSON TO CLIMB THE WORLD'S 14 HIGHEST MOUNTAINS. 355 00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:43,160 THERE'S LITTLE MARGIN FOR ERROR. >> YOU CAN'T BE SCARED OF ANYTHING IF YOU DO WHAT YOU DO. 356 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:49,300 >> OF COURSE, YOU ARE SCARED BUT YOU HAVE TO BALANCE IT IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN BE CONFIDENT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU DO THINGS. 357 00:42:49,366 --> 00:42:58,008 >> WHAT DO YOU TELL YOURSELF WHEN YOU GET SCARED? >> JUST TRYING TO CALM MYSELF DOWN AND JUST REALIZE WHO I AM. 358 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:03,914 >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THAT STORY AND MORE NEXT WEEK ON ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."