1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,100 Michael Sherwin has been in charge of the largest 2 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:13,600 criminal investigation in US history 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,000 Prosecuting the capital assault 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,600 of January 6th 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,600 for over 400 criminal cases, which is 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,600 pretty amazing number. 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,100 I think in a very limited time frame 400 8 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:28,400 defendants correct 400 fence and the bulk of those 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,300 cases are federal criminal charges and significant federal felony 10 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:37,000 charges five 10, 20 or penalties. 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 It doesn't change 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,600 as you climb the ladder. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,400 They're always going to be people because of what 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,700 you look like that will question 15 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:47,500 your qualifications 16 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:50,200 would often climbed every rung in the Army 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,700 starting at West Point and Rising all the way 18 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:54,100 to Four Star General 19 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:58,000 Many Times breaking barriers as the first African-American ever 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,300 to hold the job. 21 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:01,400 I would go someplace with my staff and we 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,100 were wearing civilian clothes. 23 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:05,300 Somebody would come out to meet the need that 24 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:05,900 General 25 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:08,000 and I wasn't the guy that they walked up 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,000 to. 27 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,400 This is what going back to school looks like 28 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,500 during a pandemic. 29 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:20,500 The CDC has been studying this school district to 30 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:24,300 find out how the coronavirus spreads when we first 31 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:25,900 started this project with the CDC. 32 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:28,700 I was convinced that we were going to have 33 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:30,600 more Transmission in Middle and High School classrooms. 34 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,600 Then we had an elementary. 35 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,000 What surprised me is we work through. 36 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,300 This is that it was actually the exact opposite. 37 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:40,800 I'm Leslie Stahl. 38 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,100 I'm Bill Whitaker. 39 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:43,300 I'm Anderson Cooper. 40 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:44,500 I'm John Dickerson. 41 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:45,800 I'm Scott Pelley 42 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,200 those stories and more tonight 43 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:58,400 on 60 Minutes. 44 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,200 Until this past Friday 45 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,900 Federal prosecutor Michael Sherwin was leading the largest criminal 46 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:06,600 investigation in US history 47 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,100 sherwin's team has charged hundreds of suspects 48 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:12,800 in January's assault on the capital. 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Sherwin has said little but Wednesday 50 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,800 before he moved to his next assignment for the 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,300 Department of Justice. 52 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:20,900 He sat down with us 53 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:24,400 to explain the Nationwide Dragnet that began 54 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,800 after the riot. 55 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,400 As 56 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,800 looking eight nine weeks out from the events or 57 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,600 over 400 criminal cases, which is 58 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:33,600 pretty amazing number. 59 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,600 I think in a very limited time frame 60 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,900 400 defendants 61 00:02:36,900 --> 00:02:39,800 correct 400 feminists and the bulk of those cases 62 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,700 are federal criminal charges and significant federal felony charges, 63 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:46,200 five 10, 20 or penalties 64 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,400 of those 400 cases 65 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,500 the majority of those 80 66 00:02:50,500 --> 00:02:52,600 85 percent maybe even 90 67 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,300 you have individuals both inside and outside the capitol 68 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:55,800 that 69 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,100 Reach the capital trespassed you also have individuals roughly 70 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:03,400 over a hundred that we've charged with assaulting Federal 71 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,200 officers and local police officers. 72 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,000 The 10% of the cases. 73 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,500 I'll call the more complex conspiracy cases where we 74 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:11,000 do have evidence. 75 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,500 It's in the public record where individual militia groups 76 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:19,200 from different facets oathkeepers three percenters proud boys did 77 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:19,800 have a plan. 78 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,400 We don't know what the full plan is to 79 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,800 come to DC. 80 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:26,100 Is 81 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:28,600 and breach the capital in some manner 82 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,900 Michael Sherwin was an eyewitness to that alleged plan 83 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:35,800 as acting us attorney for the District of Columbia 84 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,400 the top prosecutor. 85 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,800 He dressed that morning in running clothes 86 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,400 and join DC police at the president's rally 87 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:46,800 and I want us to see the crowd 88 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,600 gauge the temperature of the crowd. 89 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,200 It was like a carnival environment. 90 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,600 People are selling shirts popcorn cotton candy. 91 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,300 I saw hot dogs 92 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:55,800 as the 93 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,900 morning progressed. 94 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:57,700 I noticed though. 95 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:01,200 There were some people that weren't the typical 96 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,700 like carnival-type people. 97 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:05,200 I noticed there was some people in tactical gear. 98 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,300 They were tacked up with Kevlar vests. 99 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:09,100 They had the military helmets on 100 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:10,400 those individuals. 101 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,800 I notice left. 102 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,400 The speech is early. 103 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,400 They headed to the Capitol 104 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,600 and Sherwin walked with them 105 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,200 you could see it was getting more riled up. 106 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:30,500 And more people with bull horns chanting yelling. 107 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:34,600 And it became more aggressive. 108 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,500 Where it was initially pro-trump 109 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:42,400 it digress to anti-government anti-congress 110 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,100 anti institutional. 111 00:04:46,100 --> 00:04:47,000 Then I 112 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,600 eventually saw people climbing the scaffold. 113 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,300 The scaffolding was being set up for the inauguration 114 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:57,900 when I saw people climbing up the scaffolding hanging 115 00:04:57,900 --> 00:04:59,500 from it hanging Flags. 116 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:01,900 I was like this is going bad fast 117 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:03,000 49 year-old. 118 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Michael. 119 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,500 Sherwin is a federal prosecutor from Miami 120 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:10,200 after successful terrorism and Espionage cases. 121 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,300 The Trump Administration asked him to fill a temporary 122 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:14,100 vacancy 123 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:18,200 leading the Washington us attorney's office. 124 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,700 That's how on January 6th 125 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:25,900 Sherwin found himself launching a 50-state Manhunt 126 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:26,300 made 127 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:29,900 Urgent by what was coming in just two weeks 128 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:32,600 after the six we had inauguration on the 20th. 129 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,100 So I wanted to ensure and our office wants 130 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:36,700 to ensure that there was shocked and all that 131 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:38,300 we could charge 132 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:39,900 as many people as possible 133 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:41,300 before the 20th 134 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:44,800 and it worked because we saw through media posts 135 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,900 that people are afraid to come back to DC 136 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:47,900 because they're like if 137 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:49,600 Go there were going to get charged 138 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,200 more than 100 arrests were made before the inauguration. 139 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:54,800 So 140 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,400 the first people we went after I'm going to 141 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,000 call the internet Stars, 142 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,700 right the low-hanging fruit. 143 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:01,500 The zip tie guy 144 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:03,200 the rebel flag, I 145 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,200 the camp Auschwitz guy. 146 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,200 We wanted to take out those individuals that essentially 147 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,200 were thumbing their noses at the public for what 148 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,300 they did. 149 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:16,500 Sherwin told us the most serious cases so far 150 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:17,800 focus on about 151 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,400 out two dozen members 152 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,700 of far-right malicious. 153 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:24,600 Was there a premeditated plan 154 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,100 to breach the capital. 155 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:28,400 That's what we're trying to determine right now. 156 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,100 We've charged multiple conspiracy cases 157 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:33,500 and some of those involve single militia groups. 158 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:36,100 Some of them multiple militia groups, for example 159 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:39,900 individuals from Ohio militia were coordinating with the verb 160 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:42,400 Virginia militia group of Oath Keepers 161 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,700 talking about coming to the capital region 162 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:47,900 talking about no specific. 163 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:48,700 Stop 164 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:52,400 communication about breaching the capital but talking about going 165 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,200 there taking back the house 166 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,200 talking about stopping the steel 167 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 talking about how they need a show of force 168 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:59,800 in DC. 169 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,100 And we see that in December 170 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:04,500 at the center of this video 171 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:08,700 are members of The Oath Keepers in military gear 172 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:09,000 Michael. 173 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Sherwin says, they're tight 174 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,600 single file formation 175 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,300 is evidence of a military-style assault. 176 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:17,800 That's what you learn. 177 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,400 In close, you know order combat how you stay 178 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,100 with your team to reach a room where maybe 179 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:27,900 there's a terrorist to breach a room where maybe 180 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:30,200 there was an Al Qaeda operative the Infantry calls 181 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,000 it a stack correct a stack or Ranger file 182 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,700 a column a close quarter combat column going up 183 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:38,700 that staircase The Oath Keepers in that stack. 184 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:41,300 What have they been charged with most significant charge 185 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:41,600 is obstruction. 186 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,900 That's a 20-year felony. 187 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:46,300 They breach the capital with the intent the goal 188 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:47,900 to obstruct official. 189 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:49,300 Beatings to count 190 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:51,100 the Electoral College count 191 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:55,000 defense attorneys for some oathkeepers declined comment 192 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,500 others told us their clients are innocent. 193 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:05,000 Prosecutors say 139 police officers were assaulted 194 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Brian sick. 195 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:06,300 Nick 196 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:08,500 died the next day 197 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:12,500 this month Sherwin charged two men with assaulting sick 198 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:13,000 Nick 199 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,200 with a spray 200 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,600 designed to repel Bears. 201 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,000 The medical examiner has not yet determined. 202 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 How officer sick Nick died 203 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,200 if the medical examiner determines 204 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,200 that his death was directly 205 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,800 related to the bear spray, 206 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,400 would you? 207 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,800 Engine murder charges at that point if evidence directly 208 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,700 relates that chemical to his death. 209 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:36,200 Yeah, we have causation. 210 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,200 We have a link. 211 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,500 Yes in that scenario. 212 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:38,900 Correct. 213 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:40,400 That's a murder case. 214 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,100 There could have been many more deaths. 215 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:43,600 But sure when says 216 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,500 too dangerous plots 217 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:46,500 failed. 218 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:49,000 What were the intentions of the suspect who was 219 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,800 found with the eleven Molotov cocktail bombs. 220 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,600 So you're referring Scott salani Kaufman 221 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,100 and I think this is emblematic that that day 222 00:08:57,100 --> 00:08:58,700 is bad as it was could have been a 223 00:08:58,700 --> 00:08:59,300 lot worse. 224 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:01,900 Worse, it's actually amazing more people weren't killed 225 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:03,600 we found ammunition in his vehicle. 226 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,400 And also in the bed of the vehicle were 227 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,200 found 11 Molotov cocktails. 228 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,000 They 229 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,700 were filled with gasoline 230 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:12,200 and styrofoam. 231 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,100 He put Styrofoam in those 232 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:16,700 according to the ATF because when you throw those 233 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:19,100 when they explode the styrofoam will stick to you 234 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,600 and act like Napalm 235 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,100 Kaufman's lawyer did not respond to us 236 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:25,400 in the other plot. 237 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,400 The FBI is looking for this person 238 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:29,400 scene. 239 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,800 Pipe bombs 240 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,100 that were planted by the capitol, 241 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:34,600 why didn't they explode 242 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,800 it appears? They weren't armed properly and there could 243 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,200 be a whole host of reasons, 244 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,600 but they were not hoax devices. 245 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,200 They were real devices. 246 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,400 There are many 247 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,200 lesser cases about 140 or so 248 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,400 involving charges such as trespassing 249 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,500 Brent mayor 250 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:53,200 is a criminal defense attorney who represents one of 251 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,500 the defendants. 252 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:57,600 What are some of the possible defenses 253 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,300 that you expect to see in these 254 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:01,300 any cases? So the first one is going to 255 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:04,000 be a lack of Criminal Intent a person 256 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,100 may have gone into the capital but they didn't 257 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:08,900 go into the capital intending to 258 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:13,200 obstruct or to impede or to interfere or to 259 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,500 damage or anything else like that. 260 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:16,900 I think that's going to be the one most 261 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:18,200 common defense 262 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,200 mayor's client. 263 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,500 Chris gruyter 264 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:24,500 is a 39 year old Texas wine maker. 265 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:28,500 He's wearing a yellow don't tread on me flag. 266 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:29,300 Why doesn't 267 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:30,200 And matter 268 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,500 intent is a critical element in almost every single 269 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:34,600 criminal offense. 270 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,200 Okay, we talked about it in the law the 271 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,800 terms of the mens rea of 272 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,400 the 273 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,900 culpable mental state 274 00:10:40,900 --> 00:10:42,800 the person intending 275 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,600 to do something that is 276 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,800 against the law. 277 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:46,700 Look your client. 278 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:47,000 Mr. 279 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,600 Grider was at the head 280 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,000 of the mob 281 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,300 that was attacking 282 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:54,800 the entrance to the house chamber. 283 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:55,500 He 284 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:57,900 appears to give a man a helmet which is 285 00:10:57,900 --> 00:10:59,300 used to smash the 286 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:02,100 window there 287 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:04,600 just before Ashley Babbitt 288 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:10,800 if shot to death, 289 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,900 what is his defense 290 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:15,000 the images that you see in the video only 291 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,100 tell part of the story and that's the biggest 292 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:19,700 problem in complaint that we have with the government 293 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:21,800 when Chris is approaching the door. 294 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:22,600 He's not 295 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,600 yelling at the police officers. 296 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,000 He's not yelling 297 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,100 kill Pence. 298 00:11:27,100 --> 00:11:29,300 He's not yelling. 299 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:33,000 Sanity's but look when the man is having trouble 300 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,600 smashing through the door 301 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,700 your client hands him a helmet 302 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:37,400 at that point. 303 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,100 It was take the helmet and get out of 304 00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:40,400 here, you know, take the helmet. 305 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,600 I need to get out of here. 306 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,000 If Chris wanted 307 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:43,900 to do damage. 308 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:46,100 He could have done it his self 309 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:49,200 writer faces charges including obstruction 310 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,800 destruction of property 311 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,000 and disorderly conduct 312 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,200 though prosecutor Michael Sherwin charged Grider. 313 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,200 He agrees not everyone that day had 314 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,600 Criminal Intent 315 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,600 we have to protect the first amendment 316 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,800 that the great majority of the people there were 317 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,000 protesters 318 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 when you cross that line you crossed the line 319 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:08,900 when you 320 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:11,800 cross a police line aggressively you throw something in 321 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,000 a cop you hit a cop 322 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,900 you go into a restricted area knowing you're not 323 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:16,600 supposed to be there. 324 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,200 These are the plus factors that cross that line 325 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,900 from a protester 326 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:23,700 to a rider has the role of former President 327 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:25,900 Trump been part of your investigation. 328 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:27,700 It's unequivocal that 329 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:29,500 Trump was the magnet that 330 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:31,500 The people to DC on the sixth 331 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:34,300 now the question is is he criminally culpable 332 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:37,100 for everything that happened during The Siege during the 333 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:38,100 breach 334 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:40,100 what I can tell you is this based upon 335 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:42,400 again what we see in the public record 336 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,800 and what we see in public statements in court. 337 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,000 We have plenty of people we have soccer moms 338 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,400 from Ohio that were arrested saying 339 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,900 well I did this because 340 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:52,800 my president said I had to take back our 341 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,700 house 342 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:56,500 that moves the needle towards that direction. 343 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:57,300 Maybe 344 00:12:57,300 --> 00:12:59,200 the president is culpable for those. 345 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,300 Actions, but also you see in the public record 346 00:13:01,300 --> 00:13:03,900 to militia members saying, you know what we did 347 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:04,800 this because 348 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,300 Trump just talks a big game. 349 00:13:07,300 --> 00:13:09,800 He's just all talk we did what he wouldn't 350 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,200 do 351 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,000 in short you have investigators looking into the president's 352 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:13,600 role. 353 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,700 We have people looking at everything 354 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:16,200 correct. 355 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,000 Everything's being looked at 356 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,200 but so far 357 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,300 prosecutors have not charged 358 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:22,500 sedition 359 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,900 attempting to overthrow the government. 360 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:25,700 I'm not a 361 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:28,800 lawyer but the way I read this Edition statute 362 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:29,200 itself. 363 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Was 364 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:31,900 that sedition 365 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:32,900 occurs 366 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:35,400 when anyone opposes by force 367 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,700 the authority of the United States 368 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:38,500 or 369 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:39,700 by force 370 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:43,700 hinders or delays the execution of any law 371 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:45,000 of the United States 372 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,200 seems like a very low bar and I wonder 373 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,900 why you're not charging that now, 374 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:50,700 okay, so I don't think it's a low bar 375 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:52,000 Scott, but I will tell you this. 376 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,300 I personally believe the evidence 377 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:56,500 is trending towards that and 378 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:58,200 probably meets those elements. 379 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,200 Do you anticipate 380 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:59,700 Pate 381 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:02,400 sedition charges against some of these suspects 382 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,400 I believe the facts. 383 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,300 Do 384 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:09,100 support those charges 385 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:11,700 and I think that as we go forward more 386 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:13,300 facts will support that Scott. 387 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:15,400 This is going to be a long-term investigation in 388 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,200 the Biden 389 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,800 Administration asked Michael Sherwin to stay through the transition 390 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:21,300 now 391 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:24,300 he plans to return to the Miami us attorney's 392 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:25,200 office. 393 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,200 What do you want people to understand about this 394 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,300 investigation 395 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:29,300 that 396 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:32,300 we try to move quickly to ensure that there 397 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:34,800 is trust in the rule of law. 398 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,500 You are going to be charged based upon your 399 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:38,700 conduct in your contact only not what you may 400 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:40,400 have posted about 401 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,000 the election not what you may have posted about 402 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,800 different political views 403 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,300 the world looks to us 404 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:49,200 for the rule of law in order and democracy 405 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:49,700 and 406 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:50,600 that was shattered. 407 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:51,800 I think on that day and we have to 408 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,600 build ourselves up. 409 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:52,900 Again. 410 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:54,900 The only way to build ourselves up again 411 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:57,300 is the equal application of the law to show 412 00:14:57,300 --> 00:14:59,000 the rule of law is going to treat these 413 00:14:59,000 --> 00:14:59,600 people 414 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,400 fairly 415 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:10,200 under the law. 416 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:10,800 Now 417 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:11,900 David Martin 418 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:15,100 on assignment for 60 minutes 419 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:17,800 more than 70 years after the armed services were 420 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:18,700 integrated. 421 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:20,700 It is still a fact of life in the 422 00:15:20,700 --> 00:15:23,200 US military that African-Americans 423 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,100 are more likely to be disciplined and less likely 424 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:28,300 to be promoted than whites. 425 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:31,500 Even the most successful black officers routinely feel the 426 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:33,600 sting of racial bias 427 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,700 while large segments of the rank-and-file believe the system 428 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:38,900 is stacked against them. 429 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:41,600 The military has made attempts to deal with inequality 430 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,700 before 431 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:44,900 but this time it's happening under the eye of 432 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:46,300 Lloyd Austin 433 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:50,300 his country's first African American Secretary of Defense 434 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:51,900 a former soldier 435 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:56,100 who experienced discrimination firsthand. 436 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:58,000 It doesn't change 437 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,500 as you climb the ladder 438 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:01,600 you still 439 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,400 you still get the doubts. 440 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,300 They're always going to be people because of what 441 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:07,600 you look like that will question 442 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,700 your qualifications 443 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:13,400 Lloyd Austin climbed every rung in the Army 444 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,900 starting at West Point and Rising all the way 445 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:17,300 to Four Star General 446 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:21,200 Many Times breaking barriers as the first African-American ever 447 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,200 to hold the job. 448 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,400 There's probably not a job that I had since 449 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,400 I was a lieutenant colonel. 450 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Well, some people didn't question whether or not I 451 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,300 was qualified to 452 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:31,800 take that job. 453 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,400 It's the world I live in 454 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,600 in. 455 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,600 I'm sure that the other officers that you talked 456 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,500 to would probably say the same thing. 457 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:41,700 There's not a day in my life David 458 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:43,400 when I didn't wake up 459 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,900 and think about the fact that I was a 460 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:46,700 black man. 461 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:49,100 A number of the African Americans that we have 462 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:50,200 talked to 463 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:51,700 for the story 464 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:54,300 have said when they are the only one 465 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:55,700 in the room 466 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:57,100 they feel as if they're not 467 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:58,900 being listened to 468 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:00,400 did you have that experience 469 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,100 absolutely have that experience 470 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:05,800 and I found ways to operate to adapt 471 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,200 in 1995 as the 82nd Airborne is first African 472 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,300 American operations officer, 473 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:14,800 then Lieutenant Colonel Austin adapted by having someone else 474 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,600 give his briefings. 475 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,400 Someone he felt white officers were more likely to 476 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,400 listen to 477 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,100 was that a way officer. 478 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:23,700 It was 479 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:26,200 did you feel that was? 480 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,100 A conscious bias 481 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:29,500 people not ready 482 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:30,700 to listen to you. 483 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:32,000 It absolutely 484 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,400 was a conscious bias 485 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,800 bias didn't end even when he was a four-star 486 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,800 general. 487 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,900 I would go someplace with my staff and we 488 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:42,000 were wearing civilian clothes. 489 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,700 Somebody would come out to meet the 490 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:45,300 meet the general 491 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:47,500 and I wasn't the guy that they walked up 492 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:48,400 to 493 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,200 people have a perception that African Americans can't be 494 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,300 in key positions 495 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:56,100 just because you're African-American he just assumed 496 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:58,200 That it's always going to be somebody else 497 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,300 General CQ brown rose from fighter pilot to become 498 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,800 the first African American in history to head the 499 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,300 Air Force 500 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:07,100 which makes him a member of The Joint Chiefs 501 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:08,500 of Staff. 502 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:11,100 The last time there was an African-American in this 503 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:11,900 room 504 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:14,000 was nearly 30 years ago 505 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,500 when colon Powell was chairman of the Joint Chiefs 506 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:19,100 Friday is actually a 507 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:20,000 weapons cache 508 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,900 we met then Lieutenant General Brown nearly six years 509 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:23,200 ago. 510 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,900 It is Operation Center in the Persian Gulf. 511 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:29,300 Where he was commanding, the air war against Isis 512 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:31,100 goes, there we go. 513 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,400 It was all about destroying the enemy 514 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,100 but there was something else going on. 515 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:36,700 We didn't see 516 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:37,900 there's a world that I live in 517 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,700 as an African-American and there's a world that I 518 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:42,000 also live in as a minority 519 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,000 inside the United States Air Force 520 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,800 those two worlds collided one day last May when 521 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,000 a Minneapolis Police Officer pressed his knee into George 522 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,100 Floyd's neck 523 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:56,100 and the fact just the 524 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:57,300 How long 525 00:18:57,300 --> 00:18:58,700 he was in the position was in? 526 00:18:58,700 --> 00:18:59,100 Yeah 527 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,800 now nonchalant the cop looked at that actually 528 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,600 mean that that bothers me tremendously 529 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,400 brown felt compelled to send out this message to 530 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,300 his Airmen. 531 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:11,100 Here's what I'm thinking about. 532 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,200 Think about how full 533 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,300 I am with emotion. 534 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:15,300 Not just for George Floyd 535 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:17,500 but the many African Americans have suffered the same 536 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:20,200 fate as George void with that a lifetime of 537 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,800 frustration came boiling out by thinking about the pressure. 538 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,700 I felt them before Mara free especially for supervisors. 539 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:27,600 I perceive had expected less from me 540 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,900 as an African-American 541 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:32,200 I think about having to represent by working twice 542 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,200 as hard 543 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,200 to prove their expectations and perceptions of African Americans 544 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,900 were invalid 545 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:39,600 was really what I wanted to get off my 546 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,600 chest. 547 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,300 I had no intention for it to 548 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:45,400 go as big as it did 549 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,500 but I'm glad it did 550 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,800 because I think it helped 551 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,000 generate the conversation and many of us are having 552 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:50,900 today 553 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:52,900 about race relations in the United States. 554 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:54,400 That's what I'm thinking about so far. 555 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,600 The video has been viewed for million times. 556 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,600 with black lives matter protest breaking out across the 557 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:03,600 country 558 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,400 the Air Force Inspector General conducted a survey on 559 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,900 racial disparity 560 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:11,300 which produced eye-opening responses 561 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:14,200 two out of every five African Americans do not 562 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,000 trust their chain of command 563 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,900 to address racism bias and unequal opportunities 564 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:22,200 three out of every five believe they do not 565 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,400 receive the same benefit of the doubt 566 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,700 as their white peers if they get in trouble, 567 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:31,000 There were 123 thousand responses 568 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,900 in Just 2 weeks 569 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:35,900 really an outpouring of emotion from army. 570 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:36,300 That 571 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:37,400 I've not seen in the time. 572 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,800 I've been wearing this uniform. 573 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,800 for senior master sergeant, Sapphira Morgan 574 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,200 The survey was long overdue. 575 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,100 I think people were so 576 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,300 just elated to finally have an opportunity to speak 577 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:55,100 when you hold in things for so long without 578 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:57,400 being able to express yourself. 579 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,300 And then you're given an Avenue to speak 580 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,000 people ate it up. 581 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,500 The Air Force is now conducting another survey to 582 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:07,300 include Hispanics and other minorities, 583 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:09,800 but the hard data from the first survey 584 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,100 is now a matter of record 585 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:13,700 young black enlisted members. 586 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:16,700 Almost twice as likely as white enlisted members 587 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:21,000 to be involuntarily discharged based on misconduct 588 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,700 black are men of all ranks are 57 percent 589 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:27,200 more likely to face court-martial 590 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,700 as a senior Sergeant Morgan had been seeing numbers 591 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,500 like that for years. 592 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:33,100 I felt sick 593 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:34,700 the first time I saw 594 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:36,800 how many black Airmen 595 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,500 had article fifteens or discharges. 596 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,600 In comparison 597 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,100 to White Airmen 598 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:45,000 across the Air Force 599 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,700 and the thing that I think hurt the most 600 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:50,400 was that no one wanted to have the conversation. 601 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,600 Thanks for joining us again. 602 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Last summer that conversation began at Randolph Air Force 603 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,100 Base in Texas 604 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,500 with the program called Real Talk 605 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,800 hosted by Lieutenant General Brad web. 606 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,300 Obviously the Air Force has 607 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,700 fundamentally 608 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:06,400 had a wake-up call in which black Airman like 609 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,600 chief Master Sergeant Michael Holland 610 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,500 got a chance to speak truth. 611 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:12,700 Do Air Force Power this is 612 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:15,100 brave for us to address these teams. 613 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,000 You should too 614 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,200 General Webb. 615 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,200 This is brave. 616 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:19,500 Third. 617 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,400 You mean it takes courage to talk about racism, 618 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,000 you know in America period 619 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,200 but really 620 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:25,900 in 621 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:27,400 the Air Force where 622 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,100 white male dominated 623 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:30,500 there's these Unwritten rules. 624 00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:33,100 He told web black airmen have to abide by 625 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:36,900 Unwritten rules, which don't apply to their white counterparts. 626 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:39,000 What are some of the unwritten rules 627 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,200 like change your posture. 628 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,400 When you walk into the room 629 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,400 change your posture. 630 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,200 Yeah, so 631 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,400 I'm 511 632 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,000 220 pounds 633 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,300 of black big guy is scary and threatening. 634 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:51,200 So you 635 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,100 strip those things away from you to make people 636 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:54,600 feel comfortable with you. 637 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,000 What are some of the other things you have 638 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,100 to strip 639 00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,600 voice 640 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,300 right voice. 641 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,100 You don't want to be loud 642 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:02,600 and the other Unwritten rules. 643 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:02,900 Yeah. 644 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:04,300 You got to be better 645 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:05,600 for Lieutenant General Webb. 646 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600 The sessions were a revelation. 647 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,300 Did you hear things that surprised you? 648 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:11,500 Yeah, I mean 649 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:12,900 any number of things 650 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:14,100 for example 651 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,700 the African-American Community 652 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:19,500 inside the Air Force 653 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:20,900 is dealing 654 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,900 with an extra load 655 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:24,100 that 656 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:27,300 the white Caucasian Community does not deal with 657 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:28,300 it might be intimidating. 658 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:28,800 By the way. 659 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,600 I talk 660 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,500 and might be intimidating. 661 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:31,000 By the way. 662 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000 I sit 663 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,300 there's a mental checklist that has to occur here 664 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,600 that I have was never oriented to ever in 665 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,900 my air force career. 666 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:40,200 Lots of great comments out there on social. 667 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,100 Edia episodes of real talk including the one with 668 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:44,900 Sergeant Sapphira Morgan 669 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:47,300 were streamed live on Facebook and it was up 670 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:48,800 there for all to see 671 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,600 what was the reaction 672 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,200 negative and positive. 673 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,700 I've had countless people say I never knew 674 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,100 but I've also had some black people say 675 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:02,400 why are we exposing some of the things that 676 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800 we deal with two people who may not care? 677 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,700 Everybody's not for this 678 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:09,300 it's hard to accept but that's 679 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:10,300 just 680 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:11,600 No, truth 681 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,200 the people who are not for this. 682 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,400 What do they say? 683 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000 Nothing? 684 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,700 All right, 685 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:19,200 and that's what makes it difficult. 686 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,200 You know, you don't you don't know what their 687 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,300 biases are. 688 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:22,000 All right. 689 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,100 Have you ever encountered 690 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,100 a real racist down here for 691 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:26,700 absolutely. 692 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:27,500 Yeah 693 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:28,900 had a supervisor. 694 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:29,900 You know, 695 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:30,900 who told me. 696 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:32,600 I'll never succeed on him. 697 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,100 The best thing I could do was survive while 698 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,300 he was there and stay away from 699 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:36,900 yeah 700 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:37,900 what you do 701 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:40,000 stay away from him. 702 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,900 This racial disparity the Facebook sessions were not webs 703 00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:44,900 first time in the hot seat. 704 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:46,700 He was the busiest man in the White House 705 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,000 Situation Room on the night of the bin Laden 706 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,300 raid. 707 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:54,600 After 37 years in the Air Force. 708 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,100 He's now in charge of Education and Training. 709 00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:59,100 Before 710 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,200 George void and the events of last summer. 711 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,600 How had 712 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,900 the Air Force 713 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:05,400 dealt with race 714 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,700 we had training sessions, you know, that was principally 715 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:09,700 PowerPoint 716 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:11,300 slide oriented 717 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:13,000 and 718 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,700 it was very formalized 719 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:17,100 it have any impact on you 720 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:18,200 marginal. 721 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,500 I mean, I have to be honest 722 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:28,000 African-Americans represents 17% of all the active duty troops. 723 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 In the military 724 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,900 but only 8% of the officers 725 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:35,400 and then key jobs like Air Force pilots. 726 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,800 It's worse 727 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,200 the top General CQ Brown knows that firsthand from 728 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,900 his flying days in the 1990s. 729 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:44,900 What was the percentage of 730 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:46,600 black Pilots 731 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,400 back then 732 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,600 2% 733 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,400 What is it today? It is still two percent. 734 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,800 What does that say? 735 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,000 We haven't made much progress. 736 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,900 Retired Admiral Mike Mullen chairman of the Joint Chiefs 737 00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,500 during the bush and Obama administrations 738 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,400 set out to change the nearly all white complexion 739 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,900 of the senior ranks. 740 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,800 Was it racial bias? 741 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,700 I don't think it was a conscious bias, but 742 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,500 I think it was 743 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:14,100 an Institutional bias if you will. 744 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:17,200 So, what is the institutional bias? 745 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,500 I have a phrase I use 746 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,600 called Ducks pick ducks 747 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,000 and when you have white guys picking 748 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,800 they pick other 749 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,900 white guys 750 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,200 that to me 751 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,700 is the bias and that's what the leadership 752 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,200 has to break up to make sure that 753 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,700 we're not in that kind of a situation 754 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:37,800 Mullen met then Lieutenant General Lloyd Austin in Iraq, 755 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,400 and in 2009 756 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,600 brought him to Washington as the first African-American director 757 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,600 of the Chairman's powerful joint staff 758 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,200 a said, you know, I really want to diversify 759 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,900 my staff and he knew that Talent was out 760 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:51,700 there, 761 00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,500 but he knew that if he didn't lead the 762 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:54,800 organization to 763 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,100 To 764 00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,200 to identify that town and bring that towel on 765 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,100 board. 766 00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:59,500 It wouldn't happen. 767 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:01,900 There's that picture of you standing with the 768 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:03,200 African American 769 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,600 generals and Admirals on your 770 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,800 your staff. 771 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,200 I mean General Austin came into my office and 772 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,000 said 773 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,700 I want you to come down to the Joint 774 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:12,600 staff room for a minute 775 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,200 and I walked into that room and they were 776 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200 all standing there and the photographer was ready to 777 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,200 go and I said I asked him I said, 778 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,100 what's 779 00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:22,800 what's this all about 780 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800 and one of them said it's about 781 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,400 tree 782 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,200 turns out it was only a moment in history 783 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,300 11 years later. 784 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,900 These are the people who fill the top positions 785 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:34,500 on the joint staff. 786 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:35,800 If you looked at the 787 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,400 website of the 788 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,900 joint staff lately, I have 789 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,200 top 25 790 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,900 No, African-Americans, 791 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,800 I suspect that will change in the near term. 792 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,700 It's been 793 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:50,800 what more than 70 years since the armed forces 794 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,100 were integrated. 795 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:55,000 Why do you think it's taken this long? 796 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,800 I think 797 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,400 things have moved slowly 798 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,500 in America David. 799 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,600 I think the military in a lot of ways 800 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800 has led the way for 801 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,100 for diversity. 802 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:05,800 But you know as well as I do that 803 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,700 you look at our senior leadership right now. 804 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:11,700 It's not representative of what's in the ranks. 805 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:12,000 What? 806 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,600 Your job can you personally do 807 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,800 to make a change? 808 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,100 I'm 809 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,500 the guy that makes the recommendation to the president 810 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,100 on who are senior flag officers ought to be 811 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:28,600 going forward 812 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,400 an F-22 pilot on why he felt discriminated against 813 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,700 in the Air Force 814 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:34,600 big 815 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,500 black with a deep voice. 816 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:47,800 You're intimidating at 60 Minutes over time.com. 817 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,600 At least a quarter of American students are believed 818 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,900 to have not spent a single day in school 819 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,800 in more than a year because of the pandemic 820 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,300 many others are only in classrooms now and then 821 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:01,300 it's taking a psychological toll 822 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:03,400 on children and parents 823 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,600 President Biden told the nation that it may have 824 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400 said back an entire generation of students by a 825 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,000 year or more 826 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,800 everyone wants kids to return to school. 827 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,700 But how do you do that? 828 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:14,800 Safely, 829 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,500 we thought we might find some answers by visiting 830 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:20,000 one of the first school districts in the country 831 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,500 to work with researchers from the Centers for Disease 832 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,300 Control and prevention 833 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:28,200 on a study designed to understand how coronavirus spreads 834 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,600 within school buildings schools in Marietta, Georgia State opened 835 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,400 through some of the highest periods of infection in 836 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,300 the community, but it hasn't been easy. 837 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:42,500 It's required money constant vigilance and for those in 838 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:43,600 charge. 839 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,900 comfort with uncertainty 840 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:48,800 I never know what tomorrow is going to bring 841 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,100 times or am I going for a walk by 842 00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:50,800 myself? 843 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800 I actually try to remember what I used to 844 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,400 do. 845 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,200 Good morning. 846 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,100 Good to see you. 847 00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:59,600 You Grant Rivera is the superintendent of Marietta City 848 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,500 schools 849 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:02,300 overseeing 12 schools 850 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:06,600 almost 9,000 kids and plenty of concerned parents. 851 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,200 There have been decisions that I've made 852 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,400 throughout this pandemic where I definitely 853 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,700 have ever have angered some people 854 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,200 and there have been some people that had told 855 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,000 me they would legally challenge it there have been 856 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,200 some people that told me I didn't know how 857 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,400 to do my job 858 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,600 Rivera thought he was doing his job when he 859 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,100 delayed opening schools. 860 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,300 Last August 861 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,200 teachers were worried about their health and covid 862 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,900 Facilities were backlogged 863 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:31,300 making it hard to quickly identify those infected 864 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:34,800 but 300 parents signed a public letter disagreeing with 865 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,900 his decision 866 00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:38,000 and some went a step further. 867 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,900 I already took out an ad in the paper. 868 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:40,700 Yeah. 869 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:41,700 Yeah and 870 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:41,900 wait. 871 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,400 No, what is that? Like 872 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,800 and my heart sinks as you asked me that 873 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,900 question. 874 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:46,300 Why 875 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:47,400 because 876 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,800 we made a decision that was based on what 877 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,000 we felt was aligned to the science 878 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,700 and the data and it's real simple, right? We 879 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:54,800 couldn't test 880 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,000 so we could have people in the 881 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,400 being 882 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,700 and have no clue whether they should be there 883 00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:58,800 or not 884 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,100 by September testing capability had improved 885 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:05,300 and Marietta City schools started reopening 886 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:08,200 in person instruction has been available for days a 887 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,400 week at all grade levels since early November 888 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,300 the district has spent more than seven and a 889 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:17,100 half million dollars retrofitting itself for the pandemic. 890 00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:20,000 Most of the money came from the federal government. 891 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,400 Well, good morning boys and girls 892 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,100 at Westside Elementary School partition separate the desks 893 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:26,700 in class. 894 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,500 Everyone must wear a mask 895 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:29,400 some students 896 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,100 attend virtually. 897 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,900 Facilities are constantly being cleaned and ventilation systems have 898 00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:37,200 been upgraded 899 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,100 even returned library books must sit in quarantine before 900 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,400 going back on the shelves 901 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,400 students who ride buses carry radio frequency identification tags 902 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,600 so that if one tests positive the school district 903 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,100 can contact families of those who sat close by 904 00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:58,400 we've had situations where we've had 60 close contacts 905 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,000 for one positive case. 906 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,100 So we have an entire team 907 00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:03,900 In three different languages 908 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,000 who are available on a moment's notice and literally 909 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,200 we pull the seating charts. 910 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,400 We pull the rosters 911 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,900 and we immediately start notifying families 912 00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:14,700 students who might have been exposed to the virus 913 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,600 must quarantine for 7 to 10 days 914 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,200 disrupting their lives and their families all over again 915 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,000 so I can call you at ten o'clock tonight 916 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,800 tell you that your child was sitting within six 917 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,900 feet of another child who tested positive 918 00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:28,000 and you may not be able to go to 919 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,800 work tomorrow and you may not have childcare 920 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,900 these procedures have been tailored. 921 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,100 I'd through close consultation with CDC researchers 922 00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:38,000 who spent two months mapping positive cases in the 923 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,200 Marietta School District to determine how the coronavirus spreads 924 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,000 through schools. 925 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400 When we first started this project with the CDC. 926 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,300 I was convinced that we were going to have 927 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,300 more Transmission in Middle and High School classrooms. 928 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,300 Then we had an elementary. 929 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,700 What surprised me is we work through. 930 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,400 This is that it was actually the exact opposite 931 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,100 that we were seeing more potential transmission in an 932 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,900 Elementary classroom then 933 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,000 We're in a 934 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,300 middle and high school classrooms. 935 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:06,400 And what was the ultimate reason for that? 936 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,400 Well, so think about the Dynamics and an Elementary 937 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,200 classroom. 938 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,300 You've got a child that walks in that stays 939 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,700 in that classroom. 940 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:14,000 Seven hours eight hours. 941 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,300 Those kids are mixing and Milling. 942 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:16,600 They may go to the rug. 943 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,800 They may go to small group. 944 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,600 And I think that's where we figured out. 945 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,000 Wait a minute. 946 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,600 We got to re-engineer our Elementary classrooms 947 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,500 because this data is compelling. 948 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,300 Hey, 949 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,300 Kindergarten teacher Sarah pulley used to huddle with her 950 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,800 class on the rug for reading time. 951 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,300 Now she teaches from the front of the class 952 00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:38,600 and limits small group time and close interactions. 953 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,400 Any student in Marietta can choose to learn online 954 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,500 in the elementary schools. 955 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,500 Most kids are back in class. 956 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:49,100 But over at the high school 957 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,500 most still attend by Zoom 958 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,900 researchers believe that may explain some of the reduced 959 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:56,500 risk in the high school. 960 00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:59,400 But it also makes it harder for teachers like 961 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Andy Cole 962 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,300 who calls students at home his Zumiez and those 963 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,600 in class his room. 964 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,300 He's 965 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:07,100 the me question 966 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,100 rummies 967 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:09,000 questions 968 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000 and what are the challenges of trying to teach 969 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,200 when you got room? He's in Zoomies. 970 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,700 I always worried that I'm leaving them out 971 00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:19,300 because your backs to them or because it's 972 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,200 inert and it's on a screen, 973 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,000 you know, sometimes it's just 974 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,500 you know, 975 00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,300 the human being in front of you. 976 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:28,900 Definitely takes a lot of your attention 977 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,600 and with these guys 978 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,900 I do get concerned that 979 00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:33,400 you know, 980 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,600 they're going to forget school. 981 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,000 Yeah, at least how that structure of school and 982 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,400 those shared experiences 983 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,400 some students in Marietta told us they liked virtual 984 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,400 education. 985 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,100 There's no commute the health risk is lower. 986 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:49,600 But for others, it's been a disaster 987 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,400 Richard Rowe was getting A's and B's before the 988 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,800 pandemic when instruction when virtual he says, 989 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,200 He started getting seasoned. 990 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,300 He's 991 00:34:58,300 --> 00:34:59,700 I felt really helpless 992 00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,200 because I really couldn't do anything. 993 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,800 I am 994 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,100 also felt 995 00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:07,000 scared because I didn't really want to go to 996 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:07,600 my teachers. 997 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:08,100 I 998 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:09,900 didn't really go to my parents as well 999 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:10,700 because 1000 00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:12,600 when I didn't want 1001 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,800 I didn't want them to be disappointed in me. 1002 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,000 Did you 1003 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,300 have an idea where why that was happening? 1004 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:20,400 I have 1005 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,600 ADD, 1006 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,800 so I have a hard time paying attention. 1007 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,000 And so what was it like you came back? 1008 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:26,900 It felt 1009 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:27,300 good. 1010 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:28,900 If oh really good to get out of the 1011 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:29,900 house 1012 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,500 for a really good see my friends again. 1013 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:34,600 His grades have gone up again to 1014 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,900 he was recently named student of the month. 1015 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:38,600 Do you think it would have changed your life 1016 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,400 forever? 1017 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,800 If you'd had to stay home and and learn 1018 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,200 virtually? 1019 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,200 Yeah. 1020 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,900 What do you think? The ultimate result would have 1021 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:46,900 been for you? 1022 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:47,600 I don't know. 1023 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,000 I really don't. 1024 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,600 Like thinking about that 1025 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:50,800 too. 1026 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,300 Scary. 1027 00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:51,900 Yes 1028 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:53,200 way too scary for me 1029 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,800 what's been scary for the teachers is the disease 1030 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,200 itself 1031 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,600 the local Educators Union organized protests in the school 1032 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,500 district bordering Marietta. 1033 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:04,500 After three teachers died there 1034 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:05,800 from complications of covid-19. 1035 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,500 The CDC researchers tracking Marietta elementary schools found that 1036 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,500 approximately one half of the school-based cases. 1037 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,900 They identified seem to begin with educator to educator. 1038 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:21,300 Mission and then spread to students. 1039 00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:24,200 We had two clusters of cases that originated with 1040 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,300 adults 1041 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:27,800 in our elementary schools that accounted for half of 1042 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,000 all the positive school-based transmission cases. 1043 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,200 You show me a vaccine in each of those 1044 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,300 arms and I'll show you two clusters 1045 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,400 that didn't exist in kids who didn't lose 1046 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,800 lose school because of it 1047 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,800 not going to look Educators in Marietta started getting 1048 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,800 their shots a week and a half ago, 1049 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,700 but many here and throughout the country are still 1050 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:48,400 not fully vaccinated 1051 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,000 the 1052 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,300 He continues to call for social distancing and mask 1053 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,200 wearing 1054 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,300 yet schools in nearly two-thirds of Georgia counties don't 1055 00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:57,600 require masks 1056 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,800 and social distancing is often hard because of class 1057 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,700 size and the way that teachers like Shawn Ray 1058 00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:07,600 Brooks tried to establish a connection with their students 1059 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,000 and they have to know that you're going to 1060 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,700 be willing to interact with them. 1061 00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:14,800 We willing to listen to them not be upset 1062 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,300 when they are 1063 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:17,300 confused. 1064 00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:18,900 You want to put your hands out I guess. 1065 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:20,900 It's what I'm saying and say come towards me 1066 00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:22,100 more so than just 1067 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:23,100 hands. 1068 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,200 So this is more than about just six feet 1069 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,200 away from each other. 1070 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,500 This is right at the heart of your ability 1071 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,100 to teach and for their ability to learn it 1072 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:31,600 is 1073 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,900 for 15 years. 1074 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,500 Shawn Ray Brooks has taught English in the Emanuel 1075 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:39,100 County School District, which does not require masks 1076 00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:42,400 in early August after receiving a negative covid test. 1077 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,600 She went to work at Swainsboro middle school and 1078 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,000 got covid after barely a week of teaching. 1079 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,100 Nearly 40 days. 1080 00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:53,200 She lay unconscious on a ventilator fighting for her 1081 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,000 life 1082 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,200 while her family tried to comfort her over FaceTime. 1083 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600 I know you probably can't hear me understand what 1084 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,800 I love you. 1085 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,100 It's a little scary. 1086 00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:03,500 It's a little 1087 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:04,300 heartbreaking. 1088 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:05,700 Yeah, 1089 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,600 after months of physical therapy. 1090 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,400 She still having a lot of health problems. 1091 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,300 She doesn't know if she'll ever be able to 1092 00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:13,600 teach again 1093 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,500 after you were sick. 1094 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,000 Was there any change in the school policy about 1095 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,500 masks or anything 1096 00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:18,900 not 1097 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,600 That I'm aware of 1098 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,800 does that strike you as strange 1099 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,200 where they're probably 1100 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,000 moments when I wondered. 1101 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,500 About that. 1102 00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:30,200 Sure 1103 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,500 Brooke says she doesn't blame you School District. 1104 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,400 The superintendent of a manual County Schools did not 1105 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,400 respond to our request for comment 1106 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,800 some school districts don't require masks. 1107 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,700 What do you think of that? 1108 00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:44,300 You know, I respect their decision. 1109 00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,800 I just choose to lead differently in Marietta. 1110 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,500 That was very diplomatic 1111 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,800 try because you disagree because you disagree with that 1112 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,800 choice. 1113 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,000 Okay. 1114 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,800 I'll be honest with you. 1115 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,600 I think that some people have left the decision 1116 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,200 regarding Mass to be political. 1117 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,200 This is not political. 1118 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,300 This is about what safe enough to open 1119 00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:04,100 Schoolhouse doors. 1120 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,800 But once you open those doors the desire to 1121 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,200 return to normal poles at the mask strings 1122 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,300 cheerleaders want to cheer 1123 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,800 High School band wants to play 1124 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,300 kids want to laugh with their friends at lunch. 1125 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:23,400 No set of decisions illustrates the push and pull 1126 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,900 of reopening more than the ones superintendent Rivera has 1127 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,000 faced around in. 1128 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,600 We're Athletics 1129 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:29,800 though. 1130 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,500 He ended the season early for the freshman and 1131 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:33,600 JV. 1132 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,700 Rivera says he allowed Varsity Sports to continue because 1133 00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:39,700 he knew how important college scholarships are for some 1134 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:40,900 students 1135 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,800 but sports did cause problems at the high school 1136 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,100 as we did this study with the CDC. 1137 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,200 We had 17 cases in a two-month period 1138 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,200 that we could link to school-based transmission. 1139 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,700 Of those 17 1140 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:57,300 15 were related to Athletics that feels like a 1141 00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:58,300 red light going off. 1142 00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:59,200 It is a red light 1143 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,300 and I think that's why 1144 00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:04,100 we made some modifications to Athletics. 1145 00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,000 Did I swing the pendulum far enough? It probably 1146 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,900 depends on who you ask ask the kid who 1147 00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:09,300 got a full ride 1148 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:09,600 we did. 1149 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,000 Okay, 1150 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,800 ask the family who got quarantine multiple times. 1151 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,900 Maybe we did 1152 00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:15,600 do they have to wear masks when they're indoors 1153 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,200 playing 1154 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:16,800 sports. 1155 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,700 They do not it is not a requirement. 1156 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:20,500 Now, why is that because you got 1157 00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,300 have to do it in the class? 1158 00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:24,000 Yeah. 1159 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,300 So we quite frankly 1160 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:27,300 as I sit here 1161 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,000 at the end of winter sports season and I 1162 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,300 now have the data that we have from the 1163 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:31,200 CDC 1164 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,300 what I make a different decision. 1165 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:37,300 Maybe it's how does it feel to basically 1166 00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,200 have that ball hanging in the air 1167 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:40,600 that 1168 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,900 you made a choice 1169 00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:42,700 and that 1170 00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:45,000 things might go south. 1171 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,300 So it depends on when you asked me right 1172 00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:48,600 so I can sit here with you now and 1173 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,200 say that 1174 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200 we've had no students Dino staff died 1175 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,800 because of athletic indoor Athletics. 1176 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,900 It's 1177 00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:55,300 and 1178 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:56,500 and maybe we've been lucky 1179 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:58,400 maybe we've been safer. 1180 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,500 I 1181 00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:01,600 am trying to understand that 1182 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,400 those 60% of Marietta students qualify for free or 1183 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,600 reduced meals. 1184 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000 The school district has a strong tax base 1185 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,900 healthy budgets and modern facilities 1186 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,700 implementing safety measures may be a lot harder in 1187 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:15,000 less. 1188 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,200 Well funded school districts. 1189 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,700 Thank you for being 1190 00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,900 the one point nine trillion dollar covid relief package 1191 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:22,900 that president. 1192 00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:23,700 Consigned 1193 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:27,900 includes 126 billion for K through 12 schools 1194 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:30,700 20% of that money has been earmarked to help 1195 00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:33,300 the tens of millions of students who were believed 1196 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,100 to have fallen behind because of the pandemic 1197 00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:39,200 we will have children who will carry trauma 1198 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,900 and learning loss. 1199 00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:43,400 I believe for their entire educational, 1200 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,900 you know trajectory 1201 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:45,500 and I think 1202 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:46,700 that's what's so important. 1203 00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,200 Like, how are we amidst the exhaustion that our 1204 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,500 Educators feel 1205 00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,600 like how are we going to proactively respond to 1206 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:52,800 that? 1207 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,400 That 1208 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,700 we've got to close 1209 00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:57,400 this covid Gap because if you don't close it, 1210 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,200 it gets bigger over time. 1211 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:09,400 Yeah exponentially bigger. 1212 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,200 in March, 20 20 just a year ago 1213 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,200 newspapers broadcasters politicians and the authors of buzzword Laden 1214 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,700 corporate memos 1215 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,700 adopted the cliche The New Normal 1216 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:25,100 all the awkward little in Humanities of pandemic life 1217 00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:26,200 would become 1218 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,500 The New Normal 1219 00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:30,600 masks working and learning in isolation 1220 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,800 empty streets 1221 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,400 abandoned restaurants 1222 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,700 the inability to hug a relative 1223 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,600 all were The New Normal 1224 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,200 You don't hear that phrase much anymore. 1225 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,500 We know better 1226 00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:45,300 we continue to observe all the protocols and progress 1227 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:47,900 towards vaccinated immunity, 1228 00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:49,800 but there's been nothing normal 1229 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,600 about the past year 1230 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,500 new 1231 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,600 or otherwise, 1232 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,700 I'm John Dickerson will be back next week with 1233 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,600 another edition of 60 minutes.