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>> TONIGHT, THE DIRECTOR OF THE
F.B.I. ON THE RISE IN VIOLENT
CRIME IN AMERICA, LESSONS FROM
JANUARY 6 AND WHAT HE BELIEVES
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IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO THE
UNITED STATES.
IN COUNTERINTELLIGENCE, DOES
ANYTHING WORRY YOU MORE THAN
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RUSSIA?
>> THE BIGGEST THREAT WE FACE AS
A COUNTRY FROM A COUNTER-
INTELLIGENCE PERSPECTIVE IS FROM
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THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA,
AND ESPECIALLY THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY.
THEY ARE TARGETING OUR
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INNOVATION, OUR TRADE SECRETS,
OUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ON A
SCALE THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED IN
HISTORY.
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( TICKING )
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>> 11 YEARS AGO, A TEAM OF TWO
DOZEN NAVY SEALS FLEW UNDER THE
COVER OF DARKNESS INTO
ABBOTTABAD, PAKISTAN TO CARRY
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OUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
COUNTER-TERRORISM MISSIONS IN
HISTORY, TO CAPTURE OR KILL
OSAMA BIN LADEN.
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30 MINUTES INTO THAT MISSION,
THE SEALS HAD THEIR MAN AND
SOMETHING THEY WERE NOT
EXPECTING: THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF
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OSAMA BIN LADEN'S PERSONAL
LETTERS AND NOTES.
HOW IMPORTANT WAS THAT LAST-
MINUTE DECISION BY THE SEAL TEAM
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TO TAKE THOSE DOCUMENTS?
>> BIN LADEN'S GREATEST FEAR WAS
ABOUT EXPOSING AL-QAEDA'S
SECRETS.
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( TICKING )
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>> NEW YORK CITY HAS HAD ALL
KINDS OF LARGER-THAN-LIFE
MAYORS, BUT NEVER ANYONE QUITE
LIKE ERIC ADAMS.
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DAPPERLY DRESSED, WITH A PIERCED
EAR AND DRAMATIC LIFE STORY, HE
SAYS AND DOES THINGS THAT A LOT
OF OTHER DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS
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WOULD NOT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF
LIBERALS WHO ARE CONCERNED
YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN.
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>> LISTEN, THERE ARE 8.8 MILLION
PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, 30 MILLION
OPINIONS, BUT THERE'S ONE MAYOR
THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE
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DECISIONS.
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>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
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>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES, TONIGHT, ON
"60 MINUTES."
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( TICKING )
>> Scott Pelley: THE F.B.I. IS
ENGAGING THE WAR IN UKRAINE WITH
AN AROUND-THE-CLOCK CYBER
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DEFENSE AGAINST RUSSIAN MILITARY
HACKERS.
IN A RARE INTERVIEW, F.B.I.
DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER WRAY TOLD
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US HOW THE BUREAU IS ENGAGING
THAT WAR WHILE FIGHTING RISING
VIOLENCE AT HOME, TERRORISM
ABROAD, AND THE UNPRECEDENTED
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SCALE OF THEFT BY CHINA.
IT'S A LOT TO TAKE ON.
WRAY LEADS 35,000 MEN AND WOMEN
WORLD-WIDE WITH THE DUAL
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MISSIONS OF FIGHTING CRIME AND
COUNTERESPIONAGE. WE SPOKE, THIS
PAST THURSDAY, AT F.B.I.
HEADQUARTERS IN WASHINGTON AND
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STARTED WITH THE BUREAU'S CYBER
DEFENSE OF UKRAINE.
YOU HAVE PUT THE F.B.I. ON A WAR
FOOTING?
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>> Christopher Wray: IN EFFECT,
WE HAVE.
WE VIEW THIS AS COMBAT POSTURE,
WITH RESPECT TO CYBER ACTIVITY.
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>> Pelley: YOUR ORDERS ARE TO
HELP UKRAINE KEEP THE LIGHTS ON,
KEEP THE COMMUNICATIONS FLOWING,
AND KEEP THEIR CRITICAL
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INFRASTRUCTURE FROM BEING TAKEN
DOWN?
>> Wray: MY INSTRUCTIONS TO OUR
FOLKS IS TO LEAN IN, TO LEAN
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FORWARD, TO BE AS HELPFUL TO
THEM AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE TO
HELP THEM ANTICIPATE, PREVENT,
DEFEND, MITIGATE MALICIOUS
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RUSSIAN CYBER ACTIVITY.
>> Pelley: HAS RUSSIA INCREASED
CYBER-ATTACKS ON THE UNITED
STATES SINCE THE UKRAINE
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INVASION?
>> Wray: I'M NOT SURE I WOULD
SAY THEY'VE INCREASED IT, BUT
CERTAINLY THEY'VE CONTINUED WHAT
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THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS.
AND THE PROSPECT OF THAT
BECOMING MORE DESTRUCTIVE AND
MORE SEVERE IS SOMETHING THAT
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WE'RE KEENLY WATCHING FOR.
SO, WE'RE TREATING IT AS SORT OF
COMBAT TEMPO.
WE HAVE A 24/7 CYBER COMMAND
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POST RUNNING, AND WE'VE HAD NOW
FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.
WE'VE BEEN PUSHING OUT
INTELLIGENCE PRODUCTS TO PRIVATE
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COMPANIES AND OTHERS.
WE'VE BEEN PUSHING OUT TECHNICAL
INFORMATION TO NETWORK DEFENDERS
AT A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES.
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THE BOTNET DISRUPTION WE'RE
ANNOUNCING TODAY STRIKES A BLOW
AGAINST RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE.
>> Pelley: IN MARCH, WRAY'S
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F.B.I. DEFEATED RUSSIAN MILITARY
MALWARE DISCOVERED ON NETWORKS
IN THE U.S. AND AROUND THE
WORLD.
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THE MALWARE, PREPARED AND LAID
IN ADVANCE, WAS WAITING TO BE
ACTIVATED.
BUT THE F.B.I. ELECTRONICALLY
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SEVERED RUSSIA'S CONNECTION WITH
ITS CYBERWEAPON.
>> Wray: AND I CAN'T GET TOO
SPECIFIC ABOUT IT HERE-- BUT
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WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE SAME
SORTS OF ACTIVITIES, SCANNING,
PROBING, PREPARATION-- YOU KNOW,
TRYING TO DEVELOP ACCESS.
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AND SO, THE KEY IS TO WORK
CLOSELY WITH PARTNERS, WHETHER
IT'S THE UKRAINIANS WHEN IT'S
THEIR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE,
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WHETHER IT'S PRIVATE COMPANIES
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES TO TRY
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
INTERRUPTING AND DISRUPTING THAT
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BEFORE IT BECOMES MORE DAMAGING
AND DESTRUCTIVE.
>> Pelley: WEDNESDAY, WE
FOLLOWED CHRIS WRAY TO HIS
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MORNING BRIEFING.
>> Wray: ARE WE READY TO ROLL?
>> Pelley: WE JOINED THE
UNCLASSIFIED PART WHICH WAS,
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ESSENTIALLY, “GOOD MORNING”
AND...
>> Wray: WHAT DO WE GOT?
ON ANY GIVEN MORNING, I'M GOING
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TO BE HEARING ABOUT SAY A
DOMESTIC TERRORIST TRYING TO
BLOW UP A HOSPITAL IN THE MIDDLE
OF A PANDEMIC-- OR AN ISIS-
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INSPIRED SUBJECT WHO'S TRYING TO
BLOW UP A SYNAGOGUE OR-- YOU
KNOW, OUR CYBER AGENTS RACING
OUT TO A CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL TO
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PREVENT THEM FROM FALLING PREY
TO A LOOMING RANSOMWARE ATTACK.
>> Pelley: WHY DID YOU TAKE THIS
JOB?
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YOU HAVE TO BE RIGHT 100% OF THE
TIME.
>> Wray: I REALIZE THAT THIS IS
NOT A JOB FOR THE FAINT OF
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HEART.
AND I CAN ASSURE THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE THAT I AM NOT FAINT OF
HEART.
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I WAS INSPIRED TO COME BACK AND
TAKE ON THIS JOB BECAUSE I
BELIEVE DEEPLY IN THE WORK, THE
MISSION OF PROTECTING AMERICAN
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PEOPLE AND UPHOLDING THE
CONSTITUTION, AND THE PEOPLE OF
THE F.B.I..
>> Pelley: CHRISTOPHER WRAY IS
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55, MARRIED WITH TWO GROWN
CHILDREN.
HE GRADUATED FROM YALE, AND YALE
LAW.
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IN THE '90's, HE WAS A FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR IN ATLANTA.
OVER THE YEARS HE ROSE TO
HEADQUARTERS AND LED THE JUSTICE
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DEPARTMENT'S CRIMINAL DIVISION.
IN 2005, HE LEFT FOR PRIVATE
PRACTICE BUT IN 2017, AFTER
PRESIDENT TRUMP FIRED DIRECTOR
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JIM COMEY, WRAY WAS RECRUITED.
THE SENATE CONFIRMATION VOTE WAS
A BI-PARTISAN LANDSLIDE-- 92 TO
FIVE.
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LET'S SWITCH FOR A MOMENT FROM
COUNTERINTELLIGENCE TO CRIME
FIGHTING, IN 2020, THERE WAS A
29% JUMP IN MURDER IN THE UNITED
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STATES, NEARLY 5,000 MORE PEOPLE
KILLED THAN THE YEAR BEFORE.
WHAT IS BEHIND THIS LEAP IN
HOMICIDE?
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>> Wray: CERTAINLY THE PANDEMIC
DIDN'T HELP.
THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS IN
WHICH THAT CONTRIBUTED TO IT.
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WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE
JUVENILES COMMITTING VIOLENT
CRIME, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY AN
ISSUE.
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WE'RE SEEING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
GUN TRAFFICKING, INTERSTATE GUN
TRAFFICKING.
THAT'S PART OF IT.
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AND WE'RE SEEING AN ALARMING
FREQUENCY OF SOME OF THE WORST
OF THE WORST GETTING BACK OUT ON
THE STREETS.
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>> Pelley: IN 2021, THERE WAS A
59% INCREASE IN THE MURDERS OF
POLICE OFFICERS, 73 OFFICERS
KILLED.
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>> Wray: VIOLENCE AGAINST LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY IS
ONE OF THE BIGGEST PHENOMENA
THAT I THINK DOESN'T GET ENOUGH
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ATTENTION.
LAST YEAR, OFFICERS WERE BEING
KILLED AT A RATE OF ALMOST ONE
EVERY FIVE DAYS.
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>> Pelley: BUT WHY ARE MORE
OFFICERS BEING KILLED RIGHT NOW?
>> Wray: SOME OF IT IS TIED TO
THE VIOLENT CRIME PROBLEM AS A
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WHOLE.
BUT ONE OF THE PHENOMENA THAT WE
SAW IN THE LAST YEAR IS THAT AN
ALARMING PERCENTAGE OF THE 73
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LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS KILLED
IN THE LINE OF DUTY LAST YEAR
WERE KILLED THROUGH THINGS LIKE
BEING AMBUSHED-- OR SHOT WHILE
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OUT ON PATROL.
>> Pelley: THEY WERE KILLED
BECAUSE THEY WERE POLICE
OFFICERS.
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>> Wray: RIGHT.
WEARING THE BADGE SHOULDN'T MAKE
YOU A TARGET.
>> Pelley: WRAY LOST TWO F.B.I.
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AGENTS LAST YEAR.
LAURA SCHWARTZENBERGER AND
DANIEL ALFIN WERE SHOT WHILE
EXECUTING A SEARCH WARRANT IN A
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CHILD PORNOGRAPHY CASE.
>> Wray: I HEARD ABOUT LAURA AND
DAN'S MURDERS WITHIN REALLY
MOMENTS OF IT HAPPENING, FROM
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OUR MIAMI FIELD OFFICE.
AND I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH
THEIR SPOUSES WITHIN A FEW
HOURS.
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AND I WAS IN THEIR LIVING ROOMS
THE NEXT MORNING.
AND MY REACTION WAS A FEELING OF
ACHE, ALMOST SICKNESS, INSIDE--
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IN MY DISTRESS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THE HARDEST THING
I'VE ENCOUNTERED IN THIS JOB.
>> Pelley: CAN YOU SAY YOU'RE
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MAKING ANY HEADWAY IN VIOLENT
CRIME?
>> Wray: WE ARE WORKING VERY
HARD WITH OUR PARTNERS, STATE
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AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
PARTNERS, THROUGH TASK FORCES,
TASK FORCES ALL OVER THE
COUNTRY.
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AND THROUGH SURGING RAPID
DEPLOYMENT TEAMS TO TRY TO
COMBAT VIOLENT CRIME IN SPECIFIC
HOT SPOTS.
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LAST YEAR I THINK WE ARRESTED
SOMETHING LIKE 15,000 VIOLENT
GANG MEMBERS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND PART OF WHAT FUELS US TO
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PURSUE THIS MISSION IS OUR DEEP
CONVICTION THAT LAW
ENFORCEMENT'S MOST SACRED DUTY
IS TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE CAN
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LIVE FREE FROM FEAR IN THEIR OWN
HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOOD'S.
>> Pelley: BUT MR. DIRECTOR,
SOME PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR HOMES
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LIVING IN FEAR OF THE POLICE
COMING THROUGH THE DOOR WITH A
NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
AND I WONDER HOW THE F.B.I. CAN
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CONTRIBUTE TO THE REDUCTION OF
POLICE BRUTALITY, WHICH ALSO
OCCURS IN OUR COUNTRY?
>> Wray: WELL, WE TAKE VERY
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SERIOUSLY OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
BOTH PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
AND UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.
AND THAT INCLUDES WHERE IT
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HAPPENS, GOING AFTER POLICE
MISCONDUCT IF IT VIOLATES
FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAW.
>> Pelley: PERHAPS THE GREATEST
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CONTROVERSY ON CHRIS WRAY'S
WATCH WAS THE ATTACK ON THE
CAPITOL.
THE BUREAU HAS BEEN CRITICIZED
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FOR FAILING TO DEVELOP
INTELLIGENCE THAT MIGHT HAVE
PREDICTED THE ASSAULT.
>> Wray: OVER 800 PEOPLE HAVE
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NOW BEEN CHARGED.
AGENTS IN FIELD OFFICES ALL OVER
THE UNITED STATES ENGAGED IN IT,
AND WE TAKE THIS INCREDIBLY
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SERIOUSLY--
>> Pelley: BUT WHAT YOU'D LIKE
TO HAVE IS PREVENTION.
>> Wray: OUR GOAL IS TO PREVENT
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TERRORIST ATTACKS OF ANY KIND,
DOMESTIC OR INTERNATIONAL.
>> Pelley: THE CRITICISM OF THE
F.B.I. AFTER JANUARY 6th WAS
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THAT THE PLANS OF THESE PEOPLE
WERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE
F.B.I. DIDN'T SEE THAT.
>> Wray: WE AT THE F.B.I. SHARED
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INFORMATION THROUGH A VARIETY OF
INTELLIGENCE PRODUCTS FOR A
SOLID YEAR LEADING UP TO JANUARY
6th THAT RAISED THE POTENTIAL
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FOR VIOLENT EXTREMISM.
WHAT WE DID NOT, TO MY
KNOWLEDGE, HAVE WAS INTELLIGENCE
INDICATING THAT THOUSANDS OF
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PEOPLE WERE GOING TO PHYSICALLY
STORM THE U.S. CAPITOL IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL
PROCESS.
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>> Pelley: WHAT DID YOU LEARN?
>> Wray: YOU CAN BET WE HAVE
BEEN TAKING A HARD LOOK AT HOW
WE CAN BE EVEN MORE PREEMPTIVE,
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EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVE, EVEN MORE
RESPONSIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
PREVENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM
EVER HAPPENING AGAIN.
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AND YOU CAN BE SURE-- AMERICANS
CAN BE SURE-- THE F.B.I. IS
FIERCELY DETERMINED TO DO OUR
PART WITH THE OTHER AGENCIES TO
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MAKE SURE THAT THAT NEVER
HAPPENS AGAIN.
>> Pelley: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU
LEARNED WAS THAT THESE MILITIA
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GROUPS CAN ORGANIZE AND
MOBILIZE.
>> Wray: AND THAT'S PART OF A
BROADER PHENOMENON THAT WE'VE
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SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS, OF A VARIETY OF ANTI-
GOVERNMENT, ANTI-AUTHORITY
VIOLENT EXTREMISTS.
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BUT A LOT OF THE DOMESTIC
TERRORIST THREAT THAT WE FACE IS
NOT FROM WELL-ORGANIZED,
STRUCTURED, TRADITIONAL GROUPS.
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IN MANY WAYS, THE HARDEST,
BIGGEST THREAT, TERRORIST THREAT
THAT AMERICANS FACE HERE IN THE
HOMELAND, IS FROM WHAT ARE
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ESSENTIALLY LONE ACTORS OR
PEOPLE CONSPIRING WITH ONE OR
TWO OTHER PEOPLE AND USING CRUDE
ATTACK METHODS, A GUN, A KNIFE,
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A CAR.
SO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE
EXPRESSION THAT A LOT OF
AMERICANS HAVE HEARD ABOUT
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CONNECTING THE DOTS, FOR THE
KIND OF ATTACK I'M DESCRIBING,
THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF DOTS TO
CONNECT.
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>> Pelley: WRAY WORKS TO CONNECT
THE DOTS FROM HEADQUARTERS WITH
A $10 BILLION ANNUAL BUDGET,
56 U.S. FIELD OFFICES AND MORE
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THAN 90 OFFICES ABROAD.
IN COUNTERINTELLIGENCE, DOES
ANYTHING WORRY YOU MORE THAN
RUSSIA?
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>> Wray: THE BIGGEST THREAT WE
FACE AS A COUNTRY FROM A
COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE PERSPECTIVE
IS FROM THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF
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CHINA, AND ESPECIALLY THE
CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.
THEY ARE TARGETING OUR
INNOVATION, OUR TRADE SECRETS,
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OUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ON A
SCALE THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED IN
HISTORY.
THEY HAVE A BIGGER HACKING
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PROGRAM THAN THAT OF EVERY OTHER
MAJOR NATION COMBINED.
THEY HAVE STOLEN MORE OF
AMERICANS' PERSONAL AND
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CORPORATE DATA THAN EVERY NATION
COMBINED.
IT AFFECTS EVERYTHING FROM
AGRICULTURE TO AVIATION TO HIGH
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TECH TO HEALTHCARE, PRETTY MUCH
EVERY SECTOR OF OUR ECONOMY.
ANYTHING THAT MAKES AN INDUSTRY
TICK, THEY TARGET.
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>> Pelley: WHAT IS THE F.B.I.
DOING ABOUT THAT?
>> Wray: WE ARE NOW MOVING AT A
PACE WHERE WE'RE OPENING A NEW
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CHINA COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE
INVESTIGATION ABOUT EVERY
12 HOURS.
THERE'S WELL NORTH OF 2,000 OF
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THESE INVESTIGATIONS.
ALL 56 OF OUR FIELD OFFICES ARE
ENGAGED ON IT.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT'S
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NOT BECAUSE OUR AGENTS DON'T
HAVE ENOUGH ELSE TO DO.
IT'S A MEASURE OF HOW
SIGNIFICANT THE THREAT IS.
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>> Pelley: CHRISTOPHER WRAY IS
NOT QUITE HALFWAY THROUGH HIS
TEN-YEAR TERM.
THAT MEANS, BY OUR COUNT, NEARLY
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1,400 MORE PERFECTLY GOOD
MORNINGS SPOILED BY THAT
CLASSIFIED BRIEFING.
DO YOU GO TO BED AT NIGHT AND
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ASK YOURSELF, "WHAT DID WE
MISS?"
>> Wray: I'M ALWAYS WONDERING
ABOUT THE-- AS I THINK SECRETARY
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RUMSFELD FAMOUSLY SAID, "THE
UNKNOWN UNKNOWN."
AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE
THING THAT I WORRY ABOUT THE
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MOST.
>> Pelley: WHAT IS THE BEST
GUARANTEE YOU CAN MAKE TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE?
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>> Wray: I CAN'T GUARANTEE
OUTCOMES.
WHAT I CAN DO IS PROMISE THAT I
WILL TRY EVERYTHING I CAN TO
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MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE WORK IN
THE RIGHT WAY-- THAT OUR PROCESS
HAS INTEGRITY, HAS RIGOR, HAS
OBJECTIVITY-- THAT WE BRING
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THOSE QUALITIES TO THE WORK--
AND THAT WE WILL FOLLOW THE
FACTS WHEREVER THEY LEAD, TO
WHOMEVER THEY LEAD, NO MATTER
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WHO LIKES IT.
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>> Sharyn Alfonsi: 11 YEARS AGO,
A TEAM OF TWO DOZEN NAVY SEALS
FLEW UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS
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INTO ABBOTTABAD, PAKISTAN, TO
CARRY OUT ONE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT COUNTER-TERRORISM
MISSIONS IN HISTORY-- TO CAPTURE
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OR KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN.
30 MINUTES INTO THAT MISSION,
THE SEALS HAD THEIR MAN, AND
SOMETHING THEY WERE NOT
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EXPECTING-- THOUSANDS OF PAGES
OF OSAMA BIN LADEN'S PERSONAL
LETTERS AND NOTES.
IN 2017, THE C.I.A. DECLASSIFIED
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MOST OF THOSE LETTERS, WITHOUT
CONTEXT AND LITTLE TRANSLATION.
AUTHOR AND ISLAMIC SCHOLAR NELLY
LAHOUD WANTED TO READ IT ALL.
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SHE'S SPENT MUCH OF HER CAREER
RESEARCHING AL-QAEDA, WITH
STINTS AT HARVARD AND CAMBRIDGE
UNIVERSITIES, AND SHE'S FLUENT
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IN ARABIC.
SO, SHE DUG IN, CAREFULLY
EXAMINING MANY OF THOSE
DOCUMENTS, LINE BY LINE.
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TONIGHT, WE'LL HEAR WHAT
SHE FOUND, GAINING A RARE
GLIMPSE INTO THE INNER SANCTUM
OF AL-QAEDA THROUGH THE
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"BIN LADEN PAPERS."
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THIS IS THE BUSTLING CITY OF
ABBOTTABAD, PAKISTAN.
FROM OVERHEAD, YOU CAN STILL SEE
THE SCAR IN THE LANDSCAPE.
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THIS VACANT LOT-- WHERE BOYS NOW
PLAY CRICKET-- IS WHERE OSAMA
BIN LADEN'S HOME ONCE STOOD, AND
WHERE THE WORLD'S MOST WANTED
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TERRORIST HID UNTIL THE EVENING
OF MAY 1, 2011.
>> President Obama: TONIGHT,
I CAN REPORT TO THE AMERICAN
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PEOPLE, AND TO THE WORLD,
THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS
CONDUCTED AN OPERATION THAT
KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN.
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>> Alfonsi: THE OPERATION,
CALLED NEPTUNE SPEAR, TOOK
30 MINUTES.
BUT THEN, ONE SEAL ALERTED
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COMMAND THAT THEY'D FOUND A
TON OF COMPUTERS AND ELECTRONICS
AND NEEDED MORE TIME.
THE SEALS WERE GRANTED TEN MORE
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MINUTES, THAT STRETCHED INTO 18.
THEY GRABBED COMPUTERS, V.H.S.
TAPES, BOOKS, THUMB DRIVES,
HARD DRIVES AND NOTEBOOKS,
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CARRYING THEM OUT IN BAGS STRUNG
AROUND THEIR NECK.
HOW IMPORTANT WAS THAT LAST-
MINUTE DECISION BY THE SEAL TEAM
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TO TAKE THOSE DOCUMENTS?
>> Nelly Lahoud: BIN LADEN'S
GREATEST FEAR WAS ABOUT EXPOSING
AL-QAEDA'S SECRETS.
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AND SO, THE FACT THAT THE SEALS
DECIDED TO RECOVER THESE LETTERS
ENSURED THAT AL-QAEDA'S SECRETS
WERE EXPOSED.
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>> Alfonsi: IN 2012,
NELLY LAHOUD WAS TEACHING AT
WEST POINT WHEN THE C.I.A.
DECLASSIFIED THE FIRST
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17 DOCUMENTS FROM THE RAID.
SHE WAS ASKED TO LEAD THE
ANALYSIS OF THOSE DOCUMENTS
FOR WEST POINT'S COMBATING
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TERRORISM CENTER.
FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SHE'S
BEEN READING, TRANSLATING, AND
ANALYZING THE REMAINING
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DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.
CONSULTING WITH U.S. GENERALS,
ADMIRALS, AND MEMBERS OF THE
SPECIAL FORCES COMMUNITY, TO
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MAKE SENSE OF IT ALL.
THERE ARE HOME VIDEOS, LIKE THIS
ONE, OF OSAMA BIN LADEN'S SON,
HAMZA, GETTING MARRIED IN IRAN.
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FAMILY PHOTOS, AUDIO FILES, AND
LETTERS.
500,000 FILES IN ALL.
NELLY LAHOUD FOCUSED ON 6,000
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PAGES OF THEM, FOR HER BOOK,
"THE BIN LADEN PAPERS."
SO, YOU WERE CREATING KIND OF A
NARRATIVE BASED ON ALL OF THE
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DOCUMENTS?
>> Lahoud: AND YOU COULDN'T DO
IT ANY OTHER WAY.
YOU COULDN'T HAVE A DIVISION OF
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LABOR WHERE SEVERAL PEOPLE WILL
TAKE IT ON, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL
SO CONNECTED.
VAGUE REFERENCES IN ONE LETTER
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CAN ONLY BE EXPLAINED IF YOU
LOOKED AT SEVERAL OTHER LETTERS.
SO REALLY, TO GET A GRASP OF
WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON, YOU
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REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
READ THEM ALL TOGETHER.
>> Alfonsi: LETTERS WERE THE
ONLY WAY OSAMA BIN LADEN
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COMMUNICATED WITH AL-QAEDA
ASSOCIATES FOR NEARLY A DECADE,
BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO EVADE
CAPTURE.
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BIN LADEN HAD TELEVISION IN HIS
COMPOUND, BUT DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS
TO THE INTERNET, OR PHONE, SO
EVERYTHING WAS WRITTEN BY HAND
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OR ON COMPUTERS, AND ENCRYPTED
ON FLASH DRIVES THAT WERE GIVEN
TO COURIERS TO DELIVER.
ALL THE LETTERS WERE BACKED UP
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ON HARD DRIVES.
>> Lahoud: WE SEE IN THE LETTERS
DIMINUTIVE BIN LADEN, SOMEBODY
WHO IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THIS
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POWERFUL FIGURE THAT WE WERE
READING ABOUT DAILY IN THE
NEWSPAPERS FOR OVER A DECADE.
AND THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN HIS
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AMBITIONS AND BETWEEN HIS
CAPABILITIES IS CONFOUNDING.
>> Alfonsi: THAT "DISCONNECT"
WAS CLEAR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE
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9/11 ATTACKS.
>> Lahoud: AL-QAEDA DID NOT
ANTICIPATE THAT THE UNITED
STATES WOULD GO TO WAR.
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>> Alfonsi: WHAT DID THEY THINK
WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?
>> Lahoud: A LIMITED AIR STRIKE;
BUT THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY
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WOULD GO BEYOND THAT.
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( EXPLOSION )
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>> Alfonsi: BUT AS THE WAR RAGED
ON IN AFGHANISTAN, LAHOUD SAYS,
THESE LETTERS SHOW THAT OSAMA
BIN LADEN WAS SURPRISED BY HOW
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AMERICANS REACTED TO 9/11.
>> Lahoud: HE THOUGHT THAT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD TAKE TO
THE STREETS, REPLICATE THE
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ANTI-VIETNAM WAR PROTESTS AND
THEY WOULD PUT PRESSURE ON THEIR
GOVERNMENT TO WITHDRAW FROM
MUSLIM MAJORITY STATES.
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>> Alfonsi: A LARGE
MISCALCULATION.
>> Lahoud: HUGE MISCALCULATION.
>> Alfonsi: IN NOVEMBER OF 2002
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U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS
WARNED AL-QAEDA MIGHT BE
PLANNING "SPECTACULAR ATTACKS"
THAT COULD CAUSE "MASS
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CASUALTIES."
BUT LAHOUD SAYS LETTERS SHOW
THAT BY THAT TIME, AL-QAEDA WAS
WEAK.
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( EXPLOSION )
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TOP LEADERS HAD BEEN KILLED OR
FORCED INTO HIDING, AND THE
TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WAS
RUDDERLESS.
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THERE IS DEFINITELY A NARRATIVE
THAT BIN LADEN WAS STILL
CONTROLLING AL-QAEDA FROM BEHIND
THE SCENES, "THE PUPPET MASTER"
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SOMEWHERE, HIDDEN AWAY.
BUT IS THAT WHAT THE PAPERS
SHOW?
>> Lahoud: FAR FROM IT.
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>> Alfonsi: SO HE WAS NOT
CALLING THE SHOTS AT THAT POINT?
>> Lahoud: ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>> Alfonsi: SHE SAYS OSAMA BIN
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LADEN DIDN'T COMMUNICATE WITH
HIS AL-QAEDA ASSOCIATES FOR
THREE YEARS, BECAUSE HE WAS ON
THE RUN.
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IT'S STILL UNKNOWN EXACTLY WHERE
HE WAS HIDING.
BUT, IN 2004, HE RECONNECTS WITH
AL-QAEDA IN THIS LETTER,
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OFFERING SURVIVING MEMBERS HIS
NEW PLAN TO ATTACK AMERICA.
>> Lahoud: HE'S VERY EAGER TO
REPLICATE THE 9/11 ATTACKS IN
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THE UNITED STATES.
YOU KNOW, HE IS MINDFUL THAT NOW
THE SECURITY CONDITIONS ARE VERY
DIFFICULT AT AIRPORTS.
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>> Alfonsi: SHE READ US PART
OF THIS CHILLING LETTER FROM
OSAMA BIN LADEN TO THE HEAD OF
AL-QAEDA'S INTERNATIONAL TERROR
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UNIT.
BIN LADEN WRITES THAT RATHER
THAN HIJACK A PLANE, OPERATIVES
SHOULD CHARTER ONE FOR THEIR
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NEXT ATTACK ON THE U.S.--
AND ADDS, IF THAT'S TOO
DIFFICULT, THEY SHOULD TARGET
U.S. RAILWAYS.
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THEN, BIN LADEN, WHO HAD A
DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING,
EXPLAINS EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT.
>> Lahoud: HE WANTED TO HAVE
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12 METERS OF STEEL RAIL REMOVED
SO THAT, THIS WAY, THE TRAIN
COULD BE DERAILED.
AND WE FIND HIM, EXPLAINING
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THE SIMPLE TOOLKIT THAT THEY
COULD USE.
YOU KNOW, HE SAID, "YOU'RE--
YOU COULD USE A COMPRESSOR.
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YOU COULD USE A SMELTING IRON
TOOL."
>> Alfonsi: HE'S IN-- IN THOSE
SMALL DETAILS.
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>> Lahoud: AT THE GRANULAR--
MOST GRANULAR LEVEL, YES.
>> Alfonsi: WHAT DOES THAT SAY
TO YOU?
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>> Lahoud: HE'S VERY METHODICAL.
VERY METHODICAL.
HE THINKS-- HE DOESN'T WANT TO
LEAVE ANYTHING FOR CHANCE.
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( SPEAKING ARABIC )
>> Alfonsi: FORTUNATELY, HE WAS
NEVER ABLE TO EXECUTE HIS PLAN,
BECAUSE, LAHOUD SAYS, AL-QAEDA
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HAD BEEN GUTTED BY THE WAR.
SHE READ US THIS LETTER FROM
TAWFIQ, A YOUNG ASSOCIATE WHO
WAS RUNNING OPERATIONS FOR
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AL-QAEDA IN AFGHANISTAN AND
PAKISTAN.
HE IS TELLING OSAMA BIN LADEN
JUST HOW INCAPACITATED THE
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TERROR ORGANIZATION HAD BECOME.
>> Lahoud: "THE WEAKNESS,
FAILURE, AND AIMLESSNESS THAT
BEFELL US WERE HARROWING.
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WE MUSLIMS WERE DEFILED AND
DESECRATED.
OUR STATE WAS RIPPED ASUNDER,
OUR LANDS WERE OCCUPIED, OUR
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RESOURCES WERE PLUNDERED."
>> Alfonsi: AND SO, HE'S GIVING
THE STATE OF AL-QAEDA TO OSAMA
BIN LADEN, WHO PROBABLY HASN'T
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HEARD THIS AT THIS POINT?
>> Lahoud: HE DIDN'T KNOW.
HE DIDN'T KNOW THE REALITY.
AND HE ACTUALLY WARNS HIM, THAT
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"I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH
AS IT IS.
AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE
BROTHERS HERE ARE NOT TELLING
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YOU EVERYTHING IN DETAIL BECAUSE
THEY DON'T WANT TO UPSET YOU,
PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE
DELICATE SITUATIONS IN WHICH YOU
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FIND YOURSELF WITH."
>> Alfonsi: THAT DELICATE
SITUATION, IS BIN LADEN'S LIFE
IN HIDING.
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BY 2005, OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS
LIVING BEHIND THE 18-FOOT WALLS
OF THE ABBOTTABAD COMPOUND HE
SHARED WITH SOME OF HIS WIVES,
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CHILDREN, AND GRANDCHILDREN--
SEEN HERE IN THIS VIDEO SEIZED
DURING THE RAID.
( SPEAKING ARABIC )
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>> Alfonsi: IN THIS CLIP,
BIN LADEN'S 22-YEAR-OLD SON,
KHALID, IS SHOWING OFF THE
COMPOUND'S MEAGER GARDENS AND
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ANIMALS HE TENDS TO.
KHALID ALSO RECORDED HIS
FATHERS' PUBLIC STATEMENTS,
THAT WERE INTENDED TO BE SEEN
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AROUND THE WORLD.
( SPEAKING ARABIC )
>> Alfonsi: YOU CAN HEAR HIM
GIGGLING, AS THE LIGHTS
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MALFUNCTION.
BUT NELLY LAHOUD SAYS IT WAS
ACTUALLY TWO OF BIN LADEN'S
DAUGHTERS WHO PLAYED THE
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GREATER ROLE IN CRAFTING THEIR
FATHER'S MESSAGES AND JIHAD
MISSIONS.
>> Lahoud: THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY
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WORKED ON OSAMA'S PUBLIC
STATEMENTS WERE MOSTLY HIS
DAUGHTERS, MIRIAM AND SUMAIYA.
AND ONE OF THE PAGES, YOU KNOW--
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WE FIND OSAMA SOLICITING
EXPLICITLY, "START PREPARING,
START THINKING ABOUT THE
IDEAS THAT NEED TO GO INTO THE
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PUBLIC STATEMENT."
THAT'S HIS OWN WORDS.
>> Alfonsi: IS THIS SURPRISING
HOW INVOLVED THEY WERE?
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>> Lahoud: YES, IT WAS.
IT WAS SURPRISING TO ME.
IN THE WORLD OF AL-QAEDA,
AND OF JIHADISM BROADLY, WOMEN
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ARE NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC FACE
OF JIHAD.
>> Alfonsi: BUT PRIVATELY, THE
BIN LADEN WOMEN WERE VERY
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INVOLVED.
IN THIS LETTER TO A RELATIVE,
BIN LADEN'S WIFE SIHAM IS
MOURNING THE LOSS OF A DAUGHTER
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WHO DIED IN CHILDBIRTH, BUT THEN
THE TONE QUICKLY CHANGES.
>> Lahoud: AND THEN SHE GOES ON
TO SHAME AND, AT THE SAME TIME,
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INCITE THE MEN TO TAKE UP JIHAD.
AND SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, "OUR
WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE
SUFFERING, WHILE THE MEN ARE
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BEING SERVILE AND COWARD."
SO, THAT'S THE KIND OF
PERSONALITY THAT WE ARE
ENCOUNTERING--
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>> Alfonsi: WOW.
>> Lahoud: --ABOUT THE WOMEN IN
THE COMPOUND, YES.
>> Stephen: AL-QAEDA WAS ALSO
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RUNNING LOW ON CASH.
LAHOUD SAYS DOCUMENTS SHOW THAT
IN 2006, AL-QAEDA HAD JUST
$200,000 IN ITS COFFERS, AND WAS
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UNABLE TO SUPPORT OR CONTROL AN
INCREASINGLY FRACTIOUS JIHAD.
STILL, SHE SAYS, OSAMA BIN LADEN
KEPT PLOTTING.
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LAHOUD SHOWED US THIS LETTER TO
ANOTHER YOUNG ASSOCIATE, YOUNIS,
WHO'D IMPRESSED BIN LADEN WITH
HIS SHARP INTELLECT.
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>> Lahoud: IT SAYS, "THIS IS
SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED TO YOU,
TOP SECRET.
DO NOT SHARE IT WITH ANYONE."
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>> Alfonsi: IT IS OSAMA BIN
LADEN'S PLAN FOR ANOTHER TERROR
ATTACK IN 2010.
THIS TIME, HE WANTED TO TARGET
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MULTIPLE CRUDE OIL TANKERS AND
MAJOR SHIPPING ROUTES AROUND THE
MIDDLE EAST AND AFRICA.
>> Lahoud: HE SAYS, "IT DOES
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NOT ESCAPE YOU, THE IMPORTANCE
OF OIL FOR INDUSTRIALIZED
ECONOMY TODAY.
AND IT IS SIMILAR TO BLOOD FOR
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HUMAN BEINGS.
SO, IF YOU CAUSE SOMEBODY TO
BLEED EXCESSIVELY, EVEN IF YOU
DON'T KILL HIM, YOU WILL AT
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LEAST WEAKEN HIM."
AND THAT'S-- HE REALLY-- WHAT
HE REALLY WANTED TO DO TO THE
AMERICAN ECONOMY.
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>> Alfonsi: SHE SAYS BIN LADEN
DETAILS HOW AL-QAEDA OPERATIVES
SHOULD INTEGRATE THEMSELVES INTO
THOSE PORT AREAS AS FISHERMEN.
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HE INSTRUCTS THEM EXACTLY WHERE
TO BUY A SPECIFIC KIND OF WOODEN
BOAT TO EVADE RADAR, AND THEN
ONCE AGAIN, GOES INTO THE
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GRANULAR DETAILS OF HIS PLAN.
>> Lahoud: "THE BOATS NEED TO
CARRY A LARGE VOLUME OF
EXPLOSIVES, PREFERABLY PLACED
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IN AN ARCH POSITION, FACING THE
VESSEL."
>> Alfonsi: SO, HE IS NOT ONLY
TELLING THEM WHAT EXPLOSIVES TO
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BUY, HE'S TELLING THEM HOW TO
PLACE THE EXPLOSIVES.
>> Lahoud: IN AN ARCH POSITION.
>> Alfonsi: BUT HIS FINAL PLAN
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TO ATTACK SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN
HALTED BY SOMETHING HE NEVER
SAW COMING.
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( PROTESTS )
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>> Alfonsi: THE ARAB SPRING.
ACCORDING TO THIS FAMILY
NOTEBOOK-- A UNIQUE ITEM SEIZED
IN THE RAID-- THE PEACEFUL
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PROTESTS WERE CONFUSING AND
CONCERNING TO THE BIN LADENS.
>> Lahoud: ON ONE LEVEL, THEY
WERE VERY EXCITED BY THE FACT
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THAT THE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO
BRING DOWN DICTATORS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WERE
ALL THESE QUESTION MARKS ABOUT,
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"WHAT IS THE VALUE OF JIHAD AT
THE MOMENT?"
AND WE FIND THIS REALLY
THROUGHOUT THIS NOTEBOOK.
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"IS JIHAD STILL NECESSARY?"
>> Alfonsi: LAHOUD SAYS
BIN LADEN-- SEEN HERE IN THE
FINAL MONTHS OF HIS LIFE--
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WAS STRUGGLING WITH THE ANSWER
TO THAT QUESTION BEFORE HE WAS
KILLED.
U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES SAY
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MOST AL-QAEDA TERRORIST ACTIVITY
IS NOW BEING CARRIED OUT BY
SMALLER AL-QAEDA OFFSHOOTS.
BIN LADEN'S SECOND IN COMMAND,
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AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI, NOW HEADS
AL-QAEDA.
( SPEAKING ARABIC )
>> Alfonsi: THIS MONTH, HE
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APPEARED IN A NEW VIDEO,
DENOUNCING THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM.
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( TICKING )
( TICKING )
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>> Anderson Cooper: NEW YORK
CITY HAS HAD ALL KINDS OF
LARGER-THAN-LIFE MAYORS, BUT
NEVER ANYONE QUITE LIKE ERIC
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ADAMS.
DAPPERLY DRESSED, WITH A
PIERCED EAR AND DRAMATIC LIFE
STORY, HE SAYS AND DOES THINGS
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THAT A LOT OF OTHER DEMOCRATIC
POLITICIANS WOULD NOT.
HE TALKS OPENLY ABOUT BEING A
VICTIM OF POLICE BRUTALITY AS
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A TEENAGER, WHO THEN WENT ON TO
BECOME A POLICE OFFICER.
HE SPEAKS OUT FORCEFULLY ABOUT
ADDRESSING ECONOMIC INEQUALITY,
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WHILE ALSO REACHING OUT TO WORK
WITH SOME OF THE WEALTHIEST
BUSINESS LEADERS ON WALL STREET.
ADAMS GOT TO CITY HALL BY
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WINNING A HOTLY-CONTESTED
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN WHICH HE
PROMISED TO RESTORE "LAW AND
ORDER."
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HE'S DESCRIBED HIMSELF AS
"THE FACE OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC
PARTY," AND PEOPLE ALL OVER
THE COUNTRY WILL BE WATCHING TO
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SEE HOW HE ADDRESSES RISING
CRIME, NEW COVID OUTBREAKS, AND
THE SERIOUS ECONOMIC DAMAGE
CAUSED BY THE PANDEMIC.
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HAS THERE EVER BEEN A MAYOR WHO
WAS IN A GANG--
( LAUGHS )
--GREW UP AS YOU DID, GOT
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BEATEN BY POLICE, AND THEN
JOINED THE POLICE FORCE?
>> Mayor Eric Adams: THERE'S
A SUBTEXT TO THE ELECTION,
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YOU KNOW?
I'M HOPING THE YOUNG MAN THAT IS
SITTING IN RIKERS ISLAND--
BECAUSE HE'S DYSLEXIC AND DID
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NOT GET THE TOOLS HE DESERVED
REALIZES THAT, "HEY, ERIC ADAMS
WAS DYSLEXIC."
"ERIC ADAMS SAT IN A CELL."
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I'M HOPING THOSE WHO ARE ON
THE VERGE OF HOMELESS, OR
HOMELESS, WILL SAY, "DAMMIT,
ERIC WAS ON THE VERGE."
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YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GREAT MOMENT
HERE.
A BEND IN THE ROAD IS NOT THE
END OF THE ROAD.
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JUST MAKE THE TURN.
>> Cooper: MAYOR ADAMS HAS
BEEN TRYING TO HELP THE CITY
MAKE A TURN SINCE HE TOOK OVER
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114 DAYS AGO.
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SMALL
BUSINESSES HERE HAVE DISAPPEARED
SINCE THE PANDEMIC; UNEMPLOYMENT
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IS NEARLY TWICE THE NATIONAL
AVERAGE; AND MAJOR CRIME IS UP
43% FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
( GUNFIRE )
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NEARLY TWO WEEKS AGO, A GUNMAN
SHOT TEN PEOPLE ON A CROWDED
SUBWAY IN SUNSET PARK, BROOKLYN.
THE ALLEGED PERPETRATOR WAS
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ARRESTED AFTER WANDERING THE
CITY FOR 30 HOURS.
>> Cooper: IS THE SUBWAY
SHOOTING AN INDICATION THAT
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THIS CITY IS IN REAL TROUBLE, IN
TERMS OF CRIME?
>> Adams: NO.
I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
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WHEN THAT SHOOTING HAPPENED ON
TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, PEOPLE WERE
BACK ON THE TRAIN.
>> Cooper: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO
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NEW YORKERS WHO ARE-- ARE
SCARED, AND FEEL THAT THE CITY
IS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION
IN TERMS OF CRIME?
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>> Adams: WE'VE MOVED 1,800 GUNS
OFF THE STREETS OF OUR CITY
SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED.
1,800.
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AND SO, WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE
THE FOUNDATION OF DEALING WITH
THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF VIOLENCE,
BUT WE'RE ALSO STOPPING THE
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PIPELINE THAT CAUSES CHILDREN TO
GET INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE.
>> Cooper: ADAMS SUPPORTS
SOCIAL AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS
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DESIGNED TO STEER YOUNG PEOPLE
AWAY FROM CRIME.
BUT, HE'S ALSO CALLED FOR A
POLICE CRACKDOWN ON LOW-LEVEL
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OFFENSES LIKE PUBLIC DRINKING
AND SHOPLIFTING, AND TAKEN STEPS
TO CLEAR HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS
AND STOP PEOPLE FROM SLEEPING IN
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THE SUBWAY.
HE'S DEPLOYED NEW UNIFORMED
POLICE UNITS THAT HE SAYS HAVE
BEEN SPECIALLY TRAINED TO
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CONFISCATE ILLEGAL GUNS IN
HIGH-CRIME NEIGHBORHOODS,
WITHOUT REPEATING THE ABUSES OF
"STOP AND FRISK" POLICIES UNDER
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MAYORS RUDY GIULIANI AND MICHAEL
BLOOMBERG.
NEW YORK'S LAST MAYOR, BILL DE
BLASIO, DISBANDED THE
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PLAINCLOTHES UNITS THAT DID A
LOT OF THIS WORK.
>> Adams: WE WERE SO FAR IN THE
WRONG DIRECTION OF, REALLY,
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ABUSIVE POLICING IN OUR CITY,
AND COUNTRY, THAT PEOPLE GOT SO
FED UP THAT THEY TURNED THE SHIP
TOO FAR IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
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THERE IS--
>> Cooper: TOO FAR TO THE LEFT,
YOU'RE SAYING?
>> Adams: TO THE LEFT.
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THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND.
WE ONLY TALK ABOUT, "HOW DO
WE PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THOSE
WHO COMMIT A CRIME?"
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HOW ABOUT START TALKING ABOUT,
"HOW DO WE PROTECT THE RIGHTS
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE
RIGHT THING?"
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>> Cooper: THERE'S PROBABLY A
LOT OF LIBERALS WHO ARE
CONCERNED YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN.
>> Adams: LISTEN, THERE ARE
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8.8 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS CITY,
30 MILLION OPINIONS, BUT THERE'S
ONE MAYOR THAT'S GOING TO MAKE
THE DECISIONS.
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( HUMMING )
>> Cooper: ADAMS IS NOTHING IF
NOT CONFIDENT.
WATCHING HIM WALK DOWN THE
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STREET, YOU'D NEVER NOTICE THE
WEIGHT OF THE CITY'S PROBLEMS ON
HIS SHOULDERS.
YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT SWAGGER.
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( LAUGHS )
WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH
YOU, I--
YOU HAVE SWAGGER, CERTAINLY.
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AND YOU'VE SAID THAT WHEN THE
MAYOR HAS SWAGGER, THE CITY HAS
SWAGGER.
>> Adams: THAT'S RIGHT.
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( LAUGHS )
>> Cooper: "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE"
HAS ALREADY TAKEN NOTICE.
>> "S.N.L."
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>> THE CITY'S NEVER HAD A MAYOR
WITH SO MUCH SWAGGER BEFORE.
I MEAN, Y'ALL SEEN ME OUTSIDE.
WOOF!
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THE PEACOATS, THE SCARF, THE
SHINE ON THE BALDIE.
>> Adams: I LOVE THAT SKIT, BY
THE WAY.
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>> Cooper: SO, WHAT IS SWAGGER?
>> Adams: IT'S, YOU KNOW,
FEELING AS THOUGH YOU'VE
OVERCOME SO MUCH, THAT YOU
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CAN OVERCOME WHATEVER IS IN
FRONT OF YOU.
I, ERIC ADAMS...
>> Cooper: NEW YORK HAS OVERCOME
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HARD TIMES IN THE PAST, HE SAYS,
AND SO HAS HE.
AS ADAMS TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE
IN TIMES SQUARE JUST AFTER
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NEW YEAR'S EVE, HE HELD UP A
PICTURE OF HIS LATE MOTHER,
DOROTHY, WHO STRUGGLED TO
SUPPORT SIX CHILDREN AS A
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HOUSEKEEPER AND COOK.
HE TOLD US THERE WERE TIMES SHE
FEARED THE FAMILY WOULD GET
EVICTED WHILE HE AND HIS
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SIBLINGS WERE IN SCHOOL, SO
SHE SENT THEM TO CLASS WITH
EXTRA CLOTHES.
>> Adams: SHE USED TO GIVE US,
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ANDERSON, A GARBAGE BAG FULL OF
CLOTHING EVERY DAY, BECAUSE SHE
THOUGHT THE MARSHALS WAS GOING
TO THROW US OUT.
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MY SIBLINGS AND I...
THEY USED TO CALL US THE
GARBAGE BAG CHILDREN.
I CAN STILL REMEMBER HAVING
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THIS FEELING IN MY STOMACH,
YOU KNOW, "DARN IT, DON'T LET
THE MARSHALS BE OUT THERE."
WE'D GET EMBARRASSED.
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>> Cooper: YOU HAD JOINED A GANG
WHEN YOU WERE 14.
IS THAT-- IS THAT RIGHT?
>> Adams: 14 WHEN I JOINED, BUT
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I WAS A WELL-KNOWN NUMBER RUNNER
AT 12.
>> Cooper: YOU WERE RUNNING
NUMBERS AT 12 YEARS OLD?
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>> Adams: YEAH, THAT WAS THE
ILLEGAL GAMBLING SYSTEM.
>> Cooper: WHEN HE WAS 15, HE
AND AN OLDER BROTHER WERE
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ARRESTED FOR CRIMINAL
TRESPASSING AND TAKEN TO THE
103rd PRECINCT IN JAMAICA,
QUEENS, WHERE HE SAYS POLICE
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OFFICERS BEAT THEM.
>> Adams: THEY JUST
CONTINUALLY-- THEY KICKED US,
KICKED US IN THE GROIN, OVER AND
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OVER AGAIN.
EVERY TIME I WOULD SEE A POLICE
CAR, I RE-LIVED THE BEATING.
EVERY TIME I HEARD A SIREN.
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>> Cooper: HOW DID SOMEBODY WHO
HAD THAT EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE
DECIDE TO JOIN THE POLICE FORCE?
>> Adams: THE REVEREND HERBERT
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DAUGHTRY AND A GROUP OF THE
CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS BROUGHT
13 YOUNG MEN TO THE HOUSE OF THE
LORD CHURCH, AND STATED THAT IT
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WAS TIME FOR US TO GO INTO THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIGHT FOR
REFORM INSIDE.
>> Cooper: WHAT DID YOU THINK
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WHEN THEY SAID TO YOU THAT YOU
SHOULD JOIN THE POLICE FORCE?
>> Adams: I TH-- THOUGHT THEY
WERE OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
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( LAUGHTER )
>> CAPTAIN ERIC ADAMS...
( APPLAUSE )
>> Cooper: HE SPENT 22 YEARS
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ON THE FORCE, RISING TO THE RANK
OF CAPTAIN, AND EMERGING AS A
LEADING VOICE FOR REFORM WITHIN
THE DEPARTMENT.
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AFTER SERVING SEVEN YEARS IN THE
STATE SENATE, AND ANOTHER EIGHT
AS BROOKLYN BOROUGH PRESIDENT...
>> OUR FIRST CHOICE IS ERIC
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ADAMS.
>> Cooper: ...HE DEFEATED
12 OTHER CANDIDATES FOR THE
DEMOCRATIC MAYORAL NOMINATION,
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AND THEN EASILY WON THE GENERAL
ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.
YOU SAID A WHILE BACK THAT YOU
WERE THE "NEW FACE OF THE
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DEMOCRATIC PARTY."
WHERE ARE YOU ON THE POLITICAL
SPECTRUM?
>> Adams: I AM A SIMPLE,
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PRAGMATIC DEMOCRAT.
( LAUGHS )
>> Cooper: BUT MAYOR ADAMS WAS
A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN FOR
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SEVEN YEARS, WHEN RUDY GIULIANI
WAS MAYOR AND BILL CLINTON WAS
PRESIDENT.
WHAT WAS YOUR THINKING THEN?
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>> Adams: IT WAS CLEAR--
( LAUGHS )
NO, MY MOTHER'D SAY,
"BOY, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?"
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( LAUGHTER )
>> Cooper: DID SHE SAY THAT TO
YOU?
( LAUGHTER )
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>> Adams: SHE DID.
I WAS A POLICE OFFICER, AND I
SAW THE VIOLENCE, AND I
WASN'T SEEING ANY HELP ON THE
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FEDERAL LEVEL.
IT WAS A PROTEST VOTE.
>> Cooper: DID YOU VOTE FOR RUDY
GIULIANI?
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>> Adams: NO.
( LAUGHS )
I DID NOT.
I HAVE THE BACKS OF MY POLICE
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OFFICERS.
>> Cooper: MAYOR ADAMS WAS
BARELY THREE WEEKS ON THE JOB
WHEN HE SPOKE AT THIS VIGIL FOR
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TWO POLICE OFFICERS WHO WERE
FATALLY SHOT WHILE RESPONDING TO
A CALL IN HARLEM IN JANUARY.
>> Adams: AND I'M SAYING,
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DON'T GIVE UP.
DON'T BECOME SO FRUSTRATED AND
DISENCHANTED TO ALLOW THE
VIOLENT PEOPLE AROUND US TO DO
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WHAT THEY THINK THEY CAN DO.
STAND WITH FAMILIES LIKE THESE.
>> Cooper: HE'S ALSO MET WITH
THE FAMILIES OF VICTIMS OF
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GUN VIOLENCE, LIKE 12-YEAR-OLD
KADE LEWIN, WHO WAS SHOT TO
DEATH WHILE SITTING IN A CAR,
EATING.
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ADAMS ARGUES THAT PEOPLE WHO
ATTENDED BLACK LIVES MATTER
PROTESTS OVER KILLINGS BY POLICE
SHOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF HIS
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EFFORTS TO PREVENT PEOPLE LIKE
KADE LEWIN FROM BEING GUNNED
DOWN BY CRIMINALS.
>> Adams: DEMOCRATS DON'T LIKE
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TALKING ABOUT INTERVENTION.
BUT WE HAVE TO LEAN INTO THE
DISCOMFORT OF THE IMMEDIATE
THINGS WE MUST DO.
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BECAUSE, YOU CAN'T SAY
BLACK LIVES MATTER WHEN A
POLICE OFFICER SHOOTS A
YOUNG PERSON, BUT DOES THAT
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BLACK LIVES MATTER WHEN A
12-YEAR-OLD BABY WAS SHOT?
>> Cooper: YOU SAY THE DEMOCRATS
DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
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WHY IS THAT?
>> Adams: BECAUSE WHEN YOU
TALK ABOUT INTERVENTION, YOU
HAVE TO USE THE TERM OF GIVING
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POLICE OFFICERS THE TOOLS TO
DEAL WITH VIOLENCE RIGHT NOW.
>> Cooper: THAT MAKES A LOT OF
VERY LIBERAL DEMOCRATS A LITTLE
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WORRIED--
>> Adams: YES, IT DOES.
>> Cooper: --BECAUSE THAT'S RUDY
GIULIANI LANGUAGE.
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>> Adams: THEY HAVE ALLOWED
RUDY GIULIANI TO HIJACK
SOMETHING THAT THE OVERWHELMING
NUMBER OF PEOPLE OF COLOR WANT.
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THEY WILL TELL YOU, "WE WANT
OUR POLICE.
WE DON'T WANT OUR POLICE TO BE
ABUSIVE."
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AND THAT IS THE BALANCE THAT
I KNOW WE CAN DO IN THIS-- IN
THIS CITY.
>> Cooper: HE DELIVERED THAT
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MESSAGE TO POLICE ON HIS FIRST
DAY AS MAYOR, AT THE SAME
PRECINCT HOUSE WHERE HE SAYS HE
WAS BEATEN AS A TEENAGER.
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>> Adams: THERE IS A COVENANT
THAT WE ARE ESTABLISHING.
WE WILL GIVE THEM THE TOOLS AND
THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED.
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BUT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HOLD
THEM TO A HIGH STANDARD.
>> Cooper: MAYOR ADAMS IS
61 YEARS OLD.
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HE'S NOT MARRIED, BUT HAS A
LONG-TIME PARTNER, AND A
26-YEAR-OLD SON FROM A PREVIOUS
RELATIONSHIP.
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WHEN HE'S NOT PAYING UNEXPECTED
VISITS TO POLICE PRECINCTS, OR
SLIDING DOWN FIRE POLES...
...HE'S POPPING UP AT
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NIGHTCLUBS, OPENINGS, AND
PARTIES, RARELY MISSING A CHANCE
TO PROMOTE THE BIG APPLE.
>> Adams: SO, EVERYONE WHO
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MOVED TO FLORIDA, GET YOUR BUTTS
BACK TO NEW YORK CITY, BECAUSE
NEW YORK CITY IS WHERE YOU WANT
TO BE.
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>> Cooper: YOU GET AROUND.
>> Adams: I LOVE THE CITY.
AND I LOVE MY JOB.
>> Cooper: YOU ARE AN
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INTERESTING NEW YORK CHARACTER,
DON'T YOU THINK?
>> Adams: NO, JUST THE OPPOSITE.
I PERSONIFY THE ENERGY OF
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NEW YORK.
OUR LEADERS HAVE NOT ALWAYS
DONE SO.
>> Cooper: GETTING TOURISTS AND
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COMMUTERS TO RETURN TO THE CITY
IS ONE OF HIS BIG PRIORITIES.
>> Adams: I JUST HAVE ONE ASK:
SPEND MONEY!
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( LAUGHS )
>> Women: WE ARE.
>> Cooper: ONLY ABOUT 40% OF
WORKERS ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE
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RETURNED TO THEIR OFFICES, SO
FAR.
THE MAYOR'S TRIED TO LIFT
SOME COVID RESTRICTIONS TO
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HELP BUSINESSES, WITHOUT CAUSING
A MAJOR NEW OUTBREAK.
A FEDERAL JUDGE HAS RULED THAT
CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND
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PREVENTION, THEY CAN'T REQUIRE
MASKS ON AIRPLANES AND OTHER
TRANSPORT.
YOU THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO
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NOT REQUIRE MASKS ON PLANES,
ON TRAINS, AND IN HIGH-TRAFFIC
AREAS?
>> Adams: YES.
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I THINK IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE NOT
TO REQUIRE.
WE'RE STILL REQUIRING IT IN OUR
SUBWAY SYSTEM AND ON OUR BUSES.
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>> Cooper: THE MAYOR LIKES TO
DESCRIBE HIMSELF AS "PERFECTLY
IMPERFECT."
HIS CRITICS WOULD CERTAINLY
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AGREE WITH THE "IMPERFECT" PART.
SOME PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS
BELIEVE HIS LAW-AND-ORDER
APPROACH WILL LEAD TO MORE
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POLICE ABUSES, WITHOUT REDUCING
CRIME.
ADVOCATES FOR THE HOMELESS ARGUE
IT'S INHUMANE TO EVICT PEOPLE
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FROM SUBWAYS OR ENCAMPMENTS
WITHOUT OFFERING THEM A SAFE AND
SUITABLE PLACE TO STAY.
AND, GOVERNMENT WATCHDOG GROUPS
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ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT SOME
OF THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS.
HIS DEPUTY MAYOR FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY, PHILIP BANKS, WAS ONCE
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THE N.Y.P.D.'s HIGHEST-RANKING
UNIFORMED OFFICER, UNTIL HE
RESIGNED IN 2014 AND WAS
LATER NAMED AN UN-INDICTED
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CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A POLICE
CORRUPTION CASE.
IS THAT THE KIND OF PERSON
YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE IN
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YOUR INNER CIRCLE?
>> Adams: WE'RE IN A CITY OF
PERFECTLY IMPERFECT PEOPLE.
LAW ENFORCEMENT CRISIS, PHIL
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BRINGS A LOT TO THE TABLE.
>> Cooper: THERE WAS TESTIMONY
THAT HE LET A BUSINESSMAN PAY
FOR HIS VACATION TRAVEL AND
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EXPENSES.
YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
TOLERATE WRONGDOING BY YOUR
OFFICERS.
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ARE THE THINGS HE DID OKAY?
>> Adams: LISTEN, HE COULD HAVE
MADE BETTER DECISIONS OF WHO WAS
AROUND HIM.
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WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE A VERY TRANSPARENT
GOVERNMENT HERE IN CITY HALL.
TRANSPARENCY IS THE BEST WAY TO
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MAKE SURE THOSE WHO ARE HIRED
ARE DOING THEIR JOBS.
>> HOW ARE YOU, MR. MAYOR?
>> Cooper: THE LATEST MARIST
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POLL SHOWS ERIC ADAM'S APPROVAL
RATING IS OVER 60%.
BUT IT'S EARLY STILL, AND
NEW YORKERS ARE NOT A
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PARTICULARLY PATIENT LOT.
>> Adams: HOW ARE YOU, MAN?
>> Cooper: ADAMS TOLD US
HE'S STUDIED THE HISTORY OF
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PAST MAYORS, SO BEFORE WE LEFT,
WE ASKED HIM FOR HIS ASSESSMENT
OF SOME OF HIS FAMOUS
PREDECESSORS, WHOSE PORTRAITS
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HANG IN CITY HALL.
I JUST WANT TO TRY A QUICK,
LIKE, SPEED-ROUND, JUST--
>> Adams: YES.
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>> Cooper: --ASKING YOU WHAT
WORDS COME UP WHEN I TALK ABOUT
SOME FORMER MAYORS.
DAVID DINKINS.
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>> Adams: COMPASSIONATE, CARING,
KIND.
>> Cooper: MICHAEL BLOOMBERG.
>> Adams: THOUGHTFUL, KIND,
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LOVED THE CITY.
>> Cooper: ED KOCH.
>> Adams: ERIC ADAMS.
MANY PERSONALITIES.
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( LAUGHS )
REAL LIFE.
>> Cooper: REALLY?
YOU SEE A SIMILARITY WITH
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ED KOCH, A LITTLE BIT?
>> Adams: YES.
THICK SKIN.
>> Cooper: ED KOCH USED TO GO
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AROUND ASKING, "HOW AM I DOING?"
>> Adams: "HOW AM I DOING?"
( LAUGHTER )
>> Cooper: WHAT DO YOU SAY?
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( LAUGHTER )
>> Adams: I JUST GIVE A THUMBS
UP.
( LAUGHS )
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IF THEY GIVE ME A THUMBS UP,
I KNOW I'M DOING THE RIGHT
THING.
>> Cooper: OKAY.
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( LAUGHTER )
>> Adams: IF THEY USE ONE OF
THE OTHER FOUR FINGERS, THEN
I'VE GOT A PROBLEM!
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( LAUGHTER )
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>> WHAT KEEPS THE MAYOR OF
NEW YORK CITY UP AT NIGHT?
>> Eric Adams: IF YOU DON'T
HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY, EVERYTHING
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CRUMBLES.
>> AT 60minutesovertime.com
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>> Cooper: NEXT SUNDAY ON
"60 MINUTES:" JON WERTHEIM HEADS
NORTH TO ICELAND, NOT FOR
VOLCANOES OR GEOTHERMAL POOLS,
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BUT FOR THAT TINY COUNTRY'S
ERUPTION OF ENTHUSIASM FOR
EUROVISION-- EUROPE'S ECCENTRIC
ANNUAL SONG CONTEST.
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>> Wertheim: THIS HELPS YOU FEEL
MORE A PART OF EUROPE?
>> Rúnar Gíslason: DEFINITELY.
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>> Cooper: EUROVISION IS A
TRAVELING CIRCUS WITH A
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BIG TENT-- ONE YOU TRULY HAVE TO
SEE TO BELIEVE.
>> Cooper: 40 COUNTRIES SEND
ONE ACT-- AND OVER THE YEARS,
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THEY HAVE RUN THE GAMUT-- TO
PERFORM A THREE-MINUTE SONG FOR
A PANEL OF JUDGES, AND MILLIONS
OF TELE-VOTERS.
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I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH
ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."
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