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We go further, so you can.
>> IMAGINE NOT FLINCHING TO THE
THUNDER OF INCOMING SHELLS AS
YOU WALK THROUGH WAR.
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WE MET UKRAINIANS WITH AMAZING
SURVIVAL STORIES, IN THE FACE OF
THE RUSSIAN ASSAULT-- AND WE SAW
GROWING BREAD LINES, IN A
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COUNTRY THAT WAS ONE OF THE
LARGEST FOOD EXPORTERS IN THE
WORLD.
>> SO WE'RE TAKING FOOD FROM THE
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HUNGRY CHILDREN AND GIVING IT TO
THE STARVING CHILDREN.
( TICKING )
>> WHAT'S EUROVISION?
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♪ ♪ ♪
WELL, IT RIVALS ANY MAJOR
EUROPEAN SPORTING EVENT,
♪ ♪ ♪
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PITTING NATION AGAINST NATION,
WITH MOST OF THE CONTINENT
TUNING IN ON THE FINAL NIGHT.
WE WENT TO ICELAND, AND TALKED
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TO THE PRESIDENT.
♪ ♪ ♪
YES THE ACTUAL PRESIDENT, ABOUT
WHY WINNING EUROVISION THIS YEAR
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WOULD BE A DREAM FOR THIS ISLAND
DANCING IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC.
AND REALLY, HOW MUCH DID ANYONE
KNOW ABOUT SWEDEN...
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( ♪ WATERLOO ♪ )
...BEFORE ABBA WON EUROVISION IN
1974?
( TICKING )
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>> MORE THAN A MILLION PEOPLE
HAVE BECOME FOLLOWERS OF A
CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT BIRDS
AREN'T REAL.
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THAT'S RIGHT.
THE BIRDS YOU THINK YOU SEE
FLYING IN THE SKY ARE ACTUALLY
GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE DRONES.
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SOUND INSANE?
IT'S MEANT TO.
THE BIRDS AREN'T REAL MOVEMENT
IS, THANKFULLY, PURE SATIRE,
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INTENDED TO MIRROR SOME OF THE
ABSURDITY THAT'S TAKEN FLIGHT
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
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( TICKING )
I'M LESLEY STAHL.
I'M BILL WHITAKER.
I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
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I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
I'M JON WERTHEIM.
I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES, TONIGHT, ON
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"60 MINUTES."
( TICKING )
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>> Scott Pelley: IN EUROPE,
THESE ARE DAYS OF PERILOUS
ESCALATION. FIGHTING HAS SPILLED
BEYOND UKRAINE INTO NEIGHBORING
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RUSSIA AND MOLDOVA.
TODAY, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE,
NANCY PELOSI, SAID SHE, AND A
U.S. DELEGATION MET WITH
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UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT, VOLODYMYR
ZELENSKYY, AND PLEDGED U.S.
SUPPORT UNTIL "VICTORY IS WON."
CONGRESS IS CONSIDERING
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$33 BILLION IN AID WHILE THE
U.S. RUSHES HEAVY ARTILLERY INTO
THE FIGHT.
YESTERDAY, MORE RUSSIAN MISSILES
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STRUCK THE VITAL PORT CITY OF
ODESA.
ODESA IS A MAJOR EXPORTER OF
GRAIN AND TONIGHT, THE HEAD OF
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THE UNITED NATIONS' WORLD FOOD
PROGRAMME TELLS US, THE SEAPORT
THERE MUST BE REOPENED TO
PREVENT STARVATION.
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THE WORLD FOOD PROGRAMME IS
FEEDING THE HUNGRY IN UKRAINE
WHILE FIGHTING FAMINE AROUND THE
WORLD.
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WE TRAVELED TO UKRAINE AND THE
PORT OF ODESA, TO WITNESS THE
HARVEST OF WAR.
FAITH DRAWS HUNDREDS TO A CHURCH
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IN ODESA, A CITY WHERE EVERYDAY,
THE WAR'S EVACUEES COLLECT
10,000 LOAVES OF HOPE.
THEY COME, WEARING THE CLOTHES
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OF A PREVIOUS LIFE, WITH NOTHING
IN THEIR SACKS, NO JOB, NO HOME,
JUST A CHANCE TO ENDURE ANOTHER
DAY OF WAR WITHOUT HUNGER.
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AROUND THE CORNER, THOSE WHO
ALREADY HAD WORRIES ENOUGH,
COLLECT MERCY IN BOXES THAT FEED
A FAMILY OF FOUR FOR TWO WEEKS.
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PASTA, OIL, CANNED MEAT.
IT COMES TO 38.5 POUNDS SO;
A MOM CAN REALLY USE A HAND.
IN UKRAINE, THE UNITED NATIONS'
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WORLD FOOD PROGRAMME IS RUNNING
HUNDREDS OF SITES LIKE THIS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU FEAR
MIGHT BE STARVING IN THIS
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COUNTRY?
IN ODESA, WE SPOKE WITH DAVID
BEASLEY, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE U.N.'S WORLD FOOD
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PROGRAMME.
>> David Beasley: YOU GOT TO
ASSUME THAT MILLIONS ARE AT
STAKE RIGHT NOW.
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WE'RE REACHING ABOUT 2 MILLION
ALREADY.
WE HOPE TO SCALE UP TO 4 MILLION
IN THE WEEKS AHEAD AND 6 MILLION
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BEYOND THAT.
IT'S GOT TO BE DEPENDENT UPON
TWO THINGS: MONEY AND ACCESS.
>> Pelley: BUT ACCESS HAS BEEN
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CUT OFF TO THE WAR'S VICTIMS IN
THE HEAVILY BESIEGED CITIES OF
EASTERN UKRAINE.
>> Beasley: WE CAN'T REACH THEM.
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WE'RE BLOCKED.
WE CAN'T GET INTO THE BESIEGED
CITIES LIKE MARIUPOL, MYKOLAIV,
AND KHERSON, AND I COULD GO ON
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AND ON.
THEY HAVE TO BE STARVING.
>> Pelley: WHY WOULD THE
RUSSIANS NOT ALLOW FOOD TO BE
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DELIVERED TO STARVING PEOPLE?
>> Beasley: IT'S BEYOND
IMAGINATION.
WHY WOULD YOU DENY INNOCENT
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VICTIMS OF WAR, FOOD?
NON-COMBATANTS?
IT'S JUST WRONG.
EVIL.
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>> Pelley: EVIL, THAT ANDRII
KHLUDOV HAS WITNESSED.
KHLUDOV'S FAMILY ESCAPED THIS.
THEIR HOMETOWN OF MARIUPOL HAD
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400,000 RESIDENTS.
RUSSIAN FORCES COULDN'T TAKE IT,
SO THEY ARE SHELLING MARIUPOL TO
RUIN.
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>> Andrii Khludov
( translated ): WE ALL LOST
LOVED ONES, RELATIVES, HOUSES,
JOBS.
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I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT WE WOULD
CALL A NORMAL EVERYDAY LIFE, ALL
OF IT IS GONE.
>> Pelley: YOU SHOT A VIDEO IN
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MARIUPOL.
WHY DID YOU SHOOT IT, AND WHAT
IS ON IT?
>> Khludov ( translated ):
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I FILMED THE VIDEO TO LET PEOPLE
KNOW WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON.
>> Pelley: KHLUDOV RECORDED THE
EVIDENCE, SOMEHOW NUMB TO THE
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SHELLS THUNDERING IN THE
DISTANCE.
IT'S A TOUR OF MISERY; BLOCKS OF
SHATTERED APARTMENT BUILDINGS,
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AND CRATERS ON THE LAND.
>> Khludov ( translated ):
THERE ARE NO MORE UNDAMAGED
HOUSES, STORES, PHARMACIES, OR
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SCHOOLS LEFT.
>> Pelley: HIS PARTNER, HANNA,
SAID, "I HAD A NERVOUS
BREAKDOWN.
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HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT PREPARED
FOR THINGS LIKE THIS."
ROSTYSLAV IS 15, A YOUNG MAN WHO
CLOTHES HIMSELF IN HOPE OVER
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EXPERIENCE.
>> Rostyslav ( translated ):
HOUSES WERE HIT BY MISSILES,
APARTMENTS, CARS BLOWN UP.
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WE HAD GRAVES IN OUR YARDS,
A LOT OF GRAVES.
>> Pelley: VLADIMIR PUTIN SAYS
THAT HE IS LIBERATING THE PEOPLE
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OF UKRAINE.
>> Khludov ( translated ):
OH, HE'S LIBERATING US: FROM
HOUSING, FRIENDS, RELATIVES,
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COMFORT, WORK, HOME.
LIBERATING US FROM LIFE.
IF KILLING IS LIBERATING, THEN
THEY'RE LIBERATING US.
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>> Pelley: ODESA HAS HAD ENOUGH
OF LIBERATION.
THIS MONTH, AN OIL TERMINAL WAS
DESTROYED.
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THEN, ON APRIL 23rd, THE DAY
BEFORE ORTHODOX EASTER, A
MISSILE BLEW A FOUR-STORY HOLE
THROUGH THIS APARTMENT BUILDING
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ON KOROL'OVA STREET.
VALERIA GLODAN AND HER
THREE-MONTH-OLD DAUGHTER, KIRA,
WERE KILLED ALONG WITH SIX
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OTHERS.
145 ARE HOMELESS.
ODESA'S MAYOR, GENNADIY
TRUKHANOV, TOOK US IN SO THE
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WORLD COULD SEE IT, UP CLOSE.
>> Gennadiy Trukhanov
( translated ): THESE ARE
ORDINARY PEOPLE IN THESE
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APARTMENTS.
THEY WERE PREPARING FOR EASTER.
EVERYONE COOKING EASTER CAKES,
COOKING FOOD.
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A FAMILY CELEBRATION.
>> Pelley: WHO WOULD GIVE THIS
KIND OF ORDER?
>> Trukhanov ( translated ):
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THIS COULD BE DONE ONLY BY THOSE
WHO AREN'T HUMAN.
WHEN I TURN TO GOD, I ASK THAT
HE WILL ENLIGHTEN RUSSIAN
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SOLDIERS, RUSSIAN OFFICERS, SO
THEY WILL NOT LOSE THEIR
HUMANITY.
AT LEAST, THOSE WHO HAVE NOT
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LOST IT ALREADY.
>> Pelley: THROUGH THE WEAVE OF
REBAR, WE NOTICED LYUDMYLA.
SHE AND HER KIDS WEREN'T HOME
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THAT MORNING, BUT HER HUSBAND
WAS.
>> Lyudmyla ( translated ):
MY HUSBAND WAS SITTING RIGHT
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THERE, RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
AND AT THE MOMENT OF THE
EXPLOSION, HE GOT OUT THROUGH
THE WINDOW, BUT HE WAS BADLY
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BURNED.
>> Pelley: ANDREY WAS BURNED,
OVER 40% OF HIS BODY.
>> Lyudmyla ( translated ):
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MY HUSBAND WILL RECOVER.
ALL THE MONEY WE HAD, BURNED.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT.
BUT I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS.
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AND PEOPLE HELP, SO EVERYTHING
WILL BE FINE.
>> Pelley: OPTIMISM, SCAVENGED
FROM INADEQUATE MATERIALS, SEEMS
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TO PREVAIL IN ODESA.
THIS SETTLEMENT ON THE BLACK SEA
BEGAN NEARLY 3,000 YEARS AGO.
TODAY, 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE DEFY
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THE RUSSIANS, BY SIMPLY GOING
ABOUT THEIR DAY, INTERRUPTED
FROM TIME TO TIME BY SIRENS AND
A RECORDED VOICE--
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"DEAR CITIZENS, TAKE COVER."
( AIR RAID SIRENS )
ODESA'S PORT IS CLOSED.
WHICH HAS CUT OFF ONE OF THE
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WORLD'S LARGEST EXPORTERS OF
FOOD.
UKRAINE, THE SIZE OF TEXAS, IS
NUMBER FOUR IN CORN AND WHEAT,
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NUMBER ONE IN SUNFLOWER OIL.
DAVID BEASLEY TOLD US HALF THE
WHEAT THE WORLD FOOD PROGRAMME
NEEDS WORLDWIDE IS STUCK IN
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UKRAINE.
>> Beasley: UKRAINE IS THE
BREADBASKET OF THE WORLD.
THEY GROW ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED
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400 MILLION PEOPLE.
WELL, THAT'S GONE.
YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING FUEL
PRICING SPIKE, FOOD PRICING
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SPIKE, COST OF SHIPPING SPIKING.
IT'S ALREADY CREATING HAVOC FOR
THE POOREST OF THE POOR AROUND
THE WORLD.
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BUT THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT NOT
JUST THE POOREST OF THE POOR,
IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY.
>> Pelley: BEASLEY IS THE FORMER
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GOVERNOR OF SOUTH CAROLINA. HE'S
LED THE U.N.'S WORLD FOOD
PROGRAMME FOR FIVE YEARS.
HIS $10 BILLION AGENCY FIGHTS
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HUNGER TRIGGERED BY POVERTY,
CROP FAILURE AND WAR.
TODAY, IN 81 COUNTRIES, W.F.P.
IS FEEDING MORE THAN 145 MILLION
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PEOPLE.
IN 2016, WE WERE WITH THEM IN
SOUTH SUDAN AS THEY DROPPED FOOD
TO VILLAGES CUT OFF BY MONSOON
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RAINS.
>> Beasley: SO, JUST WHEN YOU
THINK IT CAN'T GET ANY WORSE,
ETHIOPIA, AFGHANISTAN.
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AND YOU SAY, "IT JUST CAN'T GET
ANY WORSE."
THEN BOOM, UKRAINE.
BREADBASKET OF THE WORLD, NOW
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BREAD LINES.
>> Pelley: THE LOSS OF THAT
UKRAINIAN BREADBASKET MAY BE
FELT AROUND THE WORLD FOR YEARS
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ACCORDING TO ARIF HUSEIN, THE
W.F.P.'S CHIEF ECONOMIST.
>> Arif Husain: THIS IS THE TIME
FOR FARMERS TO BE OUT THERE
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PLANTING CORN.
>> Pelley: RIGHT NOW?
>> Husain: RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS THEIR TIME, AND THEY ARE
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NOT.
WHY?
BECAUSE FARMERS ARE SOLDIERS.
WHY?
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BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH
DIESEL.
LOOK AT WHEAT.
RIGHT NOW, IN THE GROUND IS WHAT
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IS THE WINTER WHEAT.
IT NEEDS PESTICIDES.
IT NEEDS FERTILIZER.
SAME ISSUES.
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NO LABOR, NO FUEL, NO MACHINERY.
OUR ESTIMATES ARE BETWEEN 30% TO
50% WILL ACTUALLY BE HARVESTED.
WOULD THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE
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WORLD?
HELL YES, IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT
ON THE WORLD.
>> Beasley: WE HAVE TO OPEN UP
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THESE PORTS.
YOU, YOU'VE GOT TO OPEN THEM UP
AND WE GOT TO PROTECT THEM SO
THAT FOOD CAN MOVE IN AND OUT OF
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THIS COUNTRY FOR THE REST OF THE
WORLD.
IT'S A HUMANITARIAN NEED, THE
WORLD DEMANDS IT, WE HAVE TO
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HAVE THOSE PORTS OPEN, WE HAVE
TO.
>> Pelley: YOU SEEM TO BE
SUGGESTING THAT N.A.T.O.
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WARSHIPS WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO
THE BLACK SEA TO SECURE THE
SHIPPING OUT OF THE PORT.
>> Beasley: I'M A HUMANITARIAN
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GUY, BUT IT ISN'T COMPLICATED.
THE WORLD LEADERS ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO COME TOGETHER SOMEHOW
AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PROTECT
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THESE SEAWAYS.
THE PORTS HAVE GOT TO BE OPENED
UP.
SO, WHATEVER THE WORLD LEADERS
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NEED TO DO, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO
THEM.
BUT I KNOW ONE THING, WE'RE
RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
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>> Pelley: TIME AND MONEY.
DAVID BEASLEY TOLD US HIS BUDGET
IS SHORT $10 BILLION WORLDWIDE
BECAUSE OF THE RISING COST OF
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FUEL, FOOD, SHIPPING, ALL
MULTIPLIED BY COVID.
>> Beasley: SCOTT, BEFORE
UKRAINE I WAS ALREADY CUTTING
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RATIONS TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
AROUND THE WORLD.
WE'VE ALREADY CUT RATIONS TO
OVER 8 MILLION PEOPLE DOWN TO
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50%.
IMAGINE TELLING YOUR CHILD,
"I CAN ONLY FEED YOU HALF OF
WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A HEALTHY
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DIET."
>> Pelley: HOW DO YOU
PRIORITIZE?
>> Beasley: SO, WE'RE TAKING
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FOOD FROM THE HUNGRY CHILDREN
AND GIVING IT TO THE STARVING
CHILDREN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT
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NOW.
>> Pelley: FOR ALL THE MILLIONS
HE'S REACHING, EVEN WITH HALF
RATIONS, BEASLEY IS MOST WORRIED
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ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE LIKELY
STARVING IN RUSSIAN OCCUPIED
UKRAINE.
HE IS PERSONALLY NEGOTIATING
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WITH RUSSIA FOR ACCESS.
>> Beasley: I HAVE WRITTEN.
I HAVE CALLED.
I KNOW THE UNITED NATIONS' DOING
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EVERYTHING IT CAN IN GENERAL TO
GIVE US THE ACCESS BECAUSE WE
ARE IMPARTIAL.
WE'RE NEUTRAL.
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AND ALL WE'RE ASKING IS, "GIVE
US THE ACCESS TO REACH THE
INNOCENT VICTIMS OF THIS WAR."
>> Pelley: BUT IT IS IN THE
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RUSSIANS' INTEREST TO STARVE
THOSE PEOPLE OUT.
>> Beasley: WELL, SURE WOULD
APPEAR SO, WOULDN'T IT?
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>> Pelley: FOOD IS NOW A WEAPON
IN THIS WAR.
A RESTAURANT COOKING FOR THE
DISASTER RELIEF ORGANIZATION,
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WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN, WAS HIT
IN AN AIR STRIKE, WOUNDING FOUR.
AND NOTICE THE SANDBAGS
SHIELDING THE CHURCH BASEMENT;
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THE EMERGENCY RATIONS ARE DOWN
THERE AND NO ONE HAS CONFIDENCE
THAT THE CHURCH ISN'T A TARGET.
THE KHLUDOV FAMILY OF MARIUPOL
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HAS NO ILLUSIONS ABOUT A
RUTHLESS ENEMY.
I WONDER IF YOU THINK YOUR
FAMILY HAS A FUTURE IN UKRAINE.
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>> Khludov ( translated ):
I WOULD LIKE UKRAINE TO DESTROY
RUSSIA TO THE GROUND.
SO THIS FASCIST STATE, FOR WHICH
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THERE IS NO PLACE IN MODERN
SOCIETY, CEASES TO EXIST.
I WOULD LIKE UKRAINE, AND ALL OF
US WHO LIVE IN IT, TO START
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BUILDING A NEW LIFE, TO BUILD
OUR NEW HOME.
>> Pelley: WE NOTICED SOMETHING
IN THE SANDBAGS GUARDING THE
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FOOD SUPPLY-- THE BAGS
THEMSELVES.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO USE FOR
THEM NOW, THE PEOPLE OF ODESA
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USED SACKS FOR FOOD EXPORT.
BAGS MEANT FOR OATS, AND PEAS
AND SPICES ARE FILLED INSTEAD
WITH SAND-- THE BARREN HARVEST
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OF WAR.
( TICKING )
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>> WITNESSING UKRAINE UP CLOSE:
>> Pelley: I HAVE NEVER SEEN
THIS KIND OF WHOLESALE
DESTRUCTION OF CIVILIAN
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NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> AT
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>> Jon Wertheim: WITH EUROPE
CONVULSED BY WAR, A CAMPY,
INTRA-CONTINENTAL SONG CONTEST
MIGHT SEEM ESPECIALLY FRIVOLOUS.
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BUT IT'S WORTH REMEMBERING: THAT
WAS THE ORIGINAL POINT.
"EUROVISION" LAUNCHED IN 1956,
IN PART A POST WORLD WAR II
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EFFORT TO UNIFY EUROPE.
A CROSS BETWEEN THE OLYMPICS AND
"AMERICAN IDOL," TODAY IT'S THE
WORLD'S LARGEST AND WACKIEST
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MUSICAL EVENT, CONSUMING THE
CONTINENT FOR WEEKS EACH YEAR
AND CULMINATING IN A LIVE TV
SHOW.
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THE SEMIFINALS AND FINALS DRAW
AN AUDIENCE OF MORE THAN
180 MILLION FOR A CONTEST THAT
MIGHT PIT A BULGARIAN CROONER
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AGAINST A GERMAN DISCO ACT—- LET
THE GLITTER AND THE UMLAUTS FALL
WHERE THEY MAY.
"EUROVISION" 2022 CONCLUDES IN
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TURIN, ITALY, LATER THIS MONTH.
WE WENT TO ICELAND, A COUNTRY OF
350,000 SOULS WITH AN OUTSIZED
PASSION FOR "EUROVISION," TO
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MEET THEIR CONTENDERS.
FOR ALL THE SNOW-CAPPED
MOUNTAINS AND RAINBOWS IN
REYKJAVÍK, THE ESSENCE OF
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ICELAND REVEALED ITSELF ONE
SATURDAY IN MARCH, INSIDE THIS
FERTILIZER FACTORY CONVERTED
INTO A CONCERT HALL.
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>> ♪ TAKE UP THIS STAGE BABY,
TURN THIS AROUND ♪
>> Wertheim: RAPPING THEIR WAY
OUT OF A GIANT DISCO BALL: THE
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DAUGHTERS OF REYKJAVÍK, THE
ODDS-ON FAVORITE TO WIN
ICELAND'S ANNUAL“
SÖNGVAKEPPNIN,” OR SONG
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CONTEST.
>> ♪ CALLING OUT IN THE RAIN ♪
>> Wertheim: IT'S A NATIONAL
PRELIMINARY, A SORT OF PLAY-IN
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TOURNAMENT TO DETERMINE WHO WILL
REPRESENT THE COUNTRY AT
"EUROVISION" IN ITALY THIS YEAR.
♪ ♪ ♪
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TELL ME THE NAME OF THE CONTEST.
>> Jón Jónsson: "SÖNGVAKEPPNIN."
>> Wertheim: "SÖNGVAKEPPNIN."
>> Jónsson: YOU GOT IT.
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>> Wertheim: BACKSTAGE, THE
>> Wertheim: BACKSTAGE, THE
EVENING'S HOSTS GRACIOUSLY
APPROVED OF OUR PRONUNCIATION
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AND EXPLAINED "EUROVISION'S"
APPEAL.
>> Björg Magnúsdóttir: WE HAVE
DARKNESS HERE, LIKE, NINE MONTHS
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A YEAR.
SO, THIS IS KIND OF THE
ANTIDEPRESSANT.
( LAUGHS )
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THAT TAKES US FROM DARKNESS INTO
THE LIGHT.
AND ALL THE NATION-- WE DON'T
AGREE ON ANYTHING IN ICELAND IN
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GENERAL, EXCEPT FOR, LIKE, WE
LOVE SWIMMING POOLS AND WE LOVE
"EUROVISION."
>> Wertheim: DANCING BY ITSELF
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IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC, ICELAND
USES "EUROVISION" AS A BRIDGE TO
THE CONTINENT.
LAND OF VOLCANOES AND BLUE
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LAGOONS, ONCE THE PROVINCE OF
VIKINGS, AND NOW PROUDLY
PROGRESSIVE.
♪ ♪ ♪
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RÚNAR GÍSLASON IS EXECUTIVE
PRODUCER OF THE ICELANDIC
CONTEST AND ACCOMPANIES THE
WINNERS TO "EUROVISION."
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>> Rúnar Gíslason: WE ARE HERE
VERY FEW PEOPLE IN ICELAND ON AN
ISLAND, ISOLATED.
AND WE JUST LOVE TO MEET THE
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WORLD AND CONNECT AND UNITE WITH
PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD.
>> Wertheim: THIS HELPS YOU FEEL
MORE A PART OF EUROPE?
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>> Gíslason: DEFINITELY.
♪ ♪ ♪
"EUROVISION" IS A TRAVELING
CIRCUS WITH A BIG TENT, ONE YOU
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TRULY HAVE TO SEE TO BELIEVE.
♪ ♪ ♪
40 COUNTRIES SEND ONE ACT-- AND
OVER THE YEARS, THEY HAVE RUN
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THE GAMUT-- TO PERFORM A
THREE-MINUTE SONG FOR A PANEL OF
JUDGES AND MILLIONS OF
TELEVOTERS.
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♪ ♪ ♪
NO, YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR YOUR OWN
COUNTRY.
THE WINNING COUNTRY GETS
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BRAGGING RIGHTS AND HOSTS
"EUROVISION" THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
♪ ♪ ♪
ITALY WON LAST YEAR, FOR THE
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THIRD TIME, WITH THE ROCK ACT
MÅNESKIN.
♪ ♪ ♪
BUT A NORDIC COUNTRY LAYS CLAIM
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TO "EUROVISION'S" MOST FAMOUS
WINNER.
♪ WATERLOO, I WAS DEFEATED
YOU WON THE WAR ♪
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>> Wertheim: THAT WOULD BE ABBA
IN 1974.
♪ ♪ ♪
THE SWEDES, WITH SIX WINS, ARE
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THE CONTEST POWERHOUSE.
♪ ♪ ♪
BUT NO COUNTRY ROCKS OUT TO
"EUROVISION" HARDER THAN
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ICELAND.
IT JOINED NATO IN 1949, BUT
LOCALS JOKE THE COUNTRY REALLY
ARRIVED ON THE INTERNATIONAL
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SCENE IN 1986 WHEN IT WAS FIRST
ADMITTED TO "EUROVISION."
>> Gíslason: THE WHOLE NATION
DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE
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BUT THE COMPETITION.
♪ ♪ ♪
WE HAD WATCHED IT FOR SEVERAL
YEARS AND ENJOYED IT, BUT NOW WE
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WERE IN THE COMPETITION.
♪ ♪ ♪
WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD
WIN THE COMPETITION.
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WE WERE ABSOLUTELY SURE ABOUT
THAT.
>> Wertheim: ICELAND'S PRESIDENT
GUNI JÓHANNESSON RECALLS THE
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LETDOWN.
HE WAS 17 THEN.
NOW, HE IS THE RARE WORLD LEADER
WHO CLEARS HIS SCHEDULE AND
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OPENS THE DOORS OF HIS RESIDENCE
TO TALK "EUROVISION."
>> Guni Jóhannesson: I REMEMBER
THAT AS IF IT HAD-- HAD HAPPENED
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YESTERDAY.
IT WAS LIKE, "WHAT?"
ZERO POINTS FOR ICELAND, AND WE
ENDED UP IN 16th PLACE.
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IT WAS A REALITY CHECK FOR US
ICELANDERS.
>> Wertheim: HELP US UNDERSTAND
WHAT THIS CONTEST MEANS TO THIS
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COUNTRY.
>> Jóhannesson: WELL, WE'RE A
SMALL NATION.
IT'S ME, MY MOTHER, AND SO ON.
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WE STILL LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT WE
CAN COMPETE WITH THE BIG GUYS
AND THE BIG GIRLS.
>> Wertheim: WHAT MAKES FOR A
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GOOD ICELANDIC ENTRY INTO THIS
CONTINENT-WIDE CONTEST?
>> Jóhannesson: I'M NO EXPERT,
BUT THE CATCHINESS IS THE KEY
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FACTOR THERE.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT
GRABS YOU.
♪ DON'T YOU KNOW
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YOU MAKE ME FEEL BAD ♪
>> Wertheim: AT THE FINAL ROUND
OF "SÖNGVAKEPPNIN," FIVE ACTS
BELTED OUT ORIGINAL
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COMPOSITIONS, ONE CATCHIER THAN
THE NEXT.
♪ ♪ ♪
>> Gíslason: WE CALL IT THE
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ICELANDIC SONG CONTEST AND THE
"EUROVISION" SONG CONTEST BUT
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S NOT ONLY
ABOUT THE SONG.
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IT'S ABOUT THE ACT.
♪ ♪ ♪
IT'S ABOUT THE LIGHTNING AND THE
GLIMMER AND THE SHOW OF IT.
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♪ ♪ ♪
>> Wertheim: THE FEMINIST
HIP-HOP COLLECTIVE CERTAINLY GOT
THAT MEMO.
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TELL ME THE NAME OF YOUR BAND?
>> REYKJAVÍKURDTUR.
>> Wertheim: WHICH MEANS?
>> DAUGHTERS OF REYKJAVÍK.
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( LAUGHTER )
>> DiSa: LET'S ANSWER
EVERYTHING LIKE THIS.
( LAUGHTER )
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>> Wertheim: HOW LONG HAVE YOU
GUYS ALL KNOWN EACH OTHER?
>> NINE YEARS.
( LAUGHTER )
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>> Steinunn: WE'VE BEEN A BAND
FOR NINE YEARS.
>> Steiney: WE DECIDED THIS FALL
LIKE, "OKAY, LET'S DO IT THIS
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YEAR.
AND THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO GO
190%--"
>> Sura: ALL IN--
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>> Steiney: --"IN," YOU KNOW?
♪ ♪ ♪
>> Wertheim: UNQUESTIONABLY THE
MOST CHILL OF ICELAND'S
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HOPEFULS: SISTERS, SIGGA, BETA,
AND ELÍN, THEIR KID BROTHER ON
DRUMS, PERFORMING A COUNTRY
SONG.
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"SÖNGVAKEPPNIN" UNPLUGGED, AS IT
WERE.
♪ ♪ ♪
MUSIC RUNS IN THEIR BLOOD.
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THEIR MOTHER COMPETED HERE.
>> Sigga: BUT SHE CAME SECOND.
I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED.
LIKE, WHY?
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>> Wertheim: DISAPPOINTMENT IS A
REPEATING BEAT IN ICELAND'S
RELATIONSHIP WITH "EUROVISION."
>> Jóhannesson: WE'VE NEVER WON
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THE THING, AS YOU KNOW.
TWICE BEEN CLOSE.
TWICE IN SECOND PLACE.
>> Wertheim: AN HISTORIAN BY
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TRADE, PRESIDENT JÓHANNESSON IS
A TROVE OF "EUROVISION" TRIVIA.
>> Jóhannesson: I CAN EASILY
RECALL WINNING ENTRIES.
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SANDRA KIM IN '86, BROTHERHOOD
OF MAN, SAVE YOUR KISSES FOR ME
IN '76, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
>> Wertheim: YOU KNOW IT'D BE AN
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ACT OF JOURNALISTIC MALPRACTICE
IF I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO SING.
>> Jóhannesson: ( LAUGHS )
I SING IN THE BATHTUB, I SING IN
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THE SHOWER.
DO I SING LIVE IN "60 MINUTES?"
>> Wertheim: HE SURE DOES.
>> Jóhannesson: ♪ SAVE YOUR
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KISSES FOR ME
♪ SAVE ALL YOUR KISSES FOR ME
BYE, BYE ♪
AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
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THAT'S ALL THE SINGING YOU'RE
GOING TO GET FROM ME.
♪ SAVE ALL YOUR KISSES FOR ME
SAVE ALL YOUR KISSES FOR ME ♪
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>> Wertheim: THAT SONG WON FOR
THE U.K.
♪ ♪ ♪
AND, WHILE THERE'S NO BIG CHECK
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OR RECORDING CONTRACT AT STAKE,
THE WINNER GETS AN UNDENIABLE
CAREER BOOST.
♪ ♪ ♪
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CÉLINE DION OF QUEBEC WENT
GLOBAL AFTER A WIN FOR
SWITZERLAND IN THE '80s.
THE RULES ALLOW FOR RINGERS,
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EXPLAINED DAVE GOODMAN OF
"EUROVISION," THOUGH MOST ACTS
SING FOR THEIR NATIVE COUNTRIES.
>> Dave Goodman: JULIO IGLESIAS
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DID "EUROVISION" IN THE EARLY
1970s.
HE SANG FOR SPAIN.
♪ ♪ ♪
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>> Wertheim: TRUE, BUT IGLESIAS
DIDN'T ALWAYS CARE TO ADMIT IT.
I GATHER JULIO IGLESIAS WASN'T
ALWAYS SO FORTHCOMING ABOUT
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HIS-- HIS "EUROVISION" PAST.
>> Goodman: IN THE 1980s HE'S ON
RECORD AS DENYING HE TOOK PART
ACTUALLY.
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BUT THERE WAS A PERIOD WHEN IT
WASN'T SEEN AS FASHIONABLE TO
SAY THAT YOU'D DONE THIS
COMPETITION, BECAUSE IT'S
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CHANGED A LOT OVER THE YEARS.
>> Wertheim: TELL ME IF I'M
WRONG, IT SEEMS IN SOME CORNERS
PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK DOWN, LOOK
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DOWN THEIR NOSE AT "EUROVISION."
>> Goodman: YEAH, THERE HAS BEEN
CERTAINLY OVER THE YEARS THE
IDEA THAT IT'S SORT OF LOW
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CULTURE, THE "EUROVISION" SONG
CONTEST, BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR.
BECAUSE IT'S ENTERTAINMENT.
♪ ♪ ♪
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WE'VE HAD HAMSTER WHEELS
ONSTAGE.
WE'VE HAD PIANOS ON FIRE.
♪ ♪ ♪
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THE GREAT THING ABOUT
"EUROVISION" IS THAT YOU CAN
COME WITH ANYTHING YOU LIKE.
♪ ♪ ♪
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>> Wertheim: ICELAND PUSHED THE
EUROVISION ENVELOPE THREE YEARS
AGO WITH HATARI, SELF-DESCRIBED
ANTI-CAPITALIST PERFORMANCE
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ARTISTS.
♪ ♪ ♪
AS ICELANDERS DO, THE WHOLE
COUNTRY ADOPTED THE LOOK.
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♪ ♪ ♪
AND LEARNED THE LYRICS.
>> Jóhannesson:
♪ WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
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IT'S THE END ♪
>> Wertheim: ( LAUGHS )
THIS DOOM MUSIC.
>> Jóhannesson: YEAH.
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>> Wertheim: AFTER PERFORMING IN
THE FINALS, HELD IN ISRAEL THAT
YEAR, HATARI SNUCK A PALESTINIAN
BANNER UNDER THEIR CLOTHES AND
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RAISED IT ON CAMERA.
I GATHER ICELAND WAS- WAS FINED
FOR THAT?
>> Gíslason: YEAH.
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IT WAS 500,000 ICELANDIC KRONAS.
THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH.
AND THEY SHOULD'VE PAID IT, THE
GUYS, BUT WE DID.
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>> Wertheim: YOU PAID THEIR FINE
FOR THEM--
>> Gíslason: YEAH, YEAH, WE
DIDN'T CHARGE THEM FOR IT.
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>> Goodman: WE'RE VERY, VERY
PROTECTIVE OF THE FACT THAT THIS
ISN'T A POLITICAL PROGRAM, AND
NOT A POLITICAL COMPETITION.
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♪ ♪ ♪
>> Wertheim: AND YET, THE UNION
OF EUROPEAN BROADCASTERS THAT
PUTS ON THE COMPETITION HAS
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BANNED RUSSIA THIS YEAR.
UKRAINE, MEANWHILE, SELECTED ITS
ACT JUST DAYS BEFORE THE
INVASION.
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WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE
UKRAINIAN ACT THIS YEAR?
>> Goodman: THEY'RE CALLED THE
KALUSH ORCHESTRA.
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♪ ♪ ♪
AND THEIR SONG'S CALLED
"STEFANIA."
I THINK IT'S A TRIBUTE TO THEIR
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MOTHER.
WE BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE
DISPENSATION TO TRAVEL, TO COME
TO TURIN.
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>> Wertheim: LEAVE UKRAINE AND--
>> Goodman: TO LEAVE UKRAINE.
WE VERY MUCH HOPE THAT WE WILL
SEE THEM IN TURIN.
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( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
>> Wertheim: BACK IN REYKJAVÍK,
A GROUP OF HARDCORE FANS HAD
UKRAINE ON THEIR MINDS AS THEY
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ARRIVED BY CHARTERED PARTY BOAT
FOR THE ICELANDIC FINAL.
AND BACKSTAGE, IT WAS EASY TO
FORGET THAT, ULTIMATELY, THIS IS
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A COMPETITION.
TENSION EMERGED LATER IN THE
EVENING, AS RUNAR TABULATED THE
RESULTS—- A MIX OF THE JUDGES'
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TALLIES AND FANS VOTING BY
PHONE.
ICELAND'S FIELD WAS WINNOWED TO
TWO ACTS: THE DAUGHTERS AND THE
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SISTERS.
THEN...
>> Jónsson: ME HKKANDI SOL.
SIGGA, BETA & ELÍN.
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>> Wertheim: UPSET AT
"SÖNGVAKEPPNIN!"
FEW IN THE VENUE WERE MORE
SHOCKED THAN THE SISTERS
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THEMSELVES.
I FEEL LIKE I AM TALKING TO
ATHLETES AFTER A BIG GAME.
>> Sigga: WE FEEL LIKE THAT.
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THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE
EVER COMPETED IN ANYTHING.
AND WE SUCK IN SPORTS.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A TYPICAL
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"EUROVISION" SONG.
>> Eytho: THIS IS LIKE AN OUT OF
BODY EXPERIENCE RIGHT NOW, YOU
KNOW.
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>> Wertheim: AFTER HUGGING THEIR
PARENTS AND, OF COURSE, THE HEAD
OF STATE, SIGGA, BETA AND ELÍN
SET OFF ACROSS EUROPE ON A TOUR
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OF PRE-PARTIES, MAKING NEW FANS
ON THE ROAD TO TURIN, JUST AS
THEY TRY TO MAKE "EUROVISION"
HISTORY FOR THEIR COUNTRY.
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WHY HASN'T ICELAND WON THIS DAMN
THING?
>> Goodman: IT'S ABOUT KEEP
TRYING.
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♪ ♪ ♪
A SONG LIKE ICELAND'S CAN DO
WELL BECAUSE IT CONNECTS, AND I
THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SECRET OF
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"EUROVISION" IS CREATING A
CONNECTION.
♪ ♪ ♪
>> Wertheim: THE SISTERS WILL
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PERFORM THE SONG, "ME HKKANDI
SOL," IN ICELANDIC.
TELL ME WHAT THE LYRICS MEAN.
>> Sigga: THE CHORUS, "WITH THE
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DARKNESS OF WINTER THE SUN
RISES."
( SISTERS SPEAKING ICELANDIC )
OH, IT'S JUST MELTS THE--
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>> Elín: MELTS THE HEART.
>> Wertheim: WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT, SOUNDS BETTER IN YOUR
NATIVE TONGUE--
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>> Sigga: I TOLD YOU, I TOLD
YOU.
( LAUGHS )
♪ ♪ ♪
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>> Wertheim: AND SO, FOR ALL THE
FLAMING PIANOS, ICELAND WILL TRY
AND SNAP ITS EUROVISION LOSING
STREAK WITH A HARMONY ABOUT THE
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SUN RISING AFTER PROLONGED
DARKNESS.
>> Jóhannesson: WE'RE JUST
ESCAPING FROM THIS PANDEMIC.
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THERE'S A WAR GOING ON IN
EUROPE.
WHO WOULD'VE BELIEVED THAT?
SO, "EUROVISION" IS FUN, IT
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DOESN'T MATTER ONE THING IN THE
LARGER SCHEME OF THINGS.
BUT IF YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO
THINK LIKE THAT-- IF YOU'RE
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NEVER GOING TO HAVE FUN THEN
WE'RE DOOMED.
>> Wertheim: MORE IMPORTANT NOW
THAN EVER, MAYBE?
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>> Jóhannesson: EXACTLY.
♪ ♪ ♪
>> Wertheim: MAKE SONGS, NOT
WAR.
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SOME THINGS NEVER GET LOST IN
TRANSLATION.
♪ ♪ ♪
( TICKING )
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( TICKING )
>> Sharyn Alfonsi: THERE HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN CONSPIRACY THEORIES:
THE MOON LANDINGS WERE FAKE,
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ELVIS IS ALIVE, PAUL IS DEAD.
BUT AS DISINFORMATION HAS
SPROUTED ACROSS THE INTERNET,
MORE MALICIOUS CONSPIRACY
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THEORIES HAVE ENTERED OUR HOMES,
WORKPLACES AND EVEN THE HALLS OF
CONGRESS.
SO YOU MIGHT NOT BE SURPRISED TO
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LEARN THAT MORE THAN A MILLION
PEOPLE HAVE BECOME FOLLOWERS OF
A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT BIRDS
AREN'T REAL.
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THAT'S RIGHT, THE BIRDS YOU
THINK YOU SEE FLYING IN THE SKY
ARE ACTUALLY GOVERNMENT
SURVEILLANCE DRONES.
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SOUND INSANE?
IT'S MEANT TO.
THE BIRDS AREN'T REAL MOVEMENT
IS, THANKFULLY, PURE SATIRE,
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INTENDED TO MIRROR SOME OF THE
ABSURDITY THAT'S TAKEN FLIGHT
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>> Peter McIndoe: ARE YOU READY
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TO MARCH?
>> YEAH!
>> McIndoe: ARE YOU READY TO
MARCH, ARE YOU READY TO MARCH?
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>> Alfonsi: THAT IS PETER
McINDOE, THE FOUNDER OF BIRDS
AREN'T REAL, FALLING OVER
HIMSELF TO LEAD A FLOCK OF HIS
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FOLLOWERS INTO A FRENZY ON THE
STREETS OF HOLLYWOOD.
>> BIRDS AREN'T REAL!
>> Alfonsi: FORTUNATELY, THIS
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RALLY, LIKE MOST THINGS IN
HOLLYWOOD, IS FAKE.
200 SELF-DESCRIBED BIRD
TRUTHERS, ALL IN ON THE ACT,
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PLAYFULLY PROTESTED THE VERY
SERIOUS-SOUNDING “BIRD DRONE
SURVEILLANCE CRISIS.”
>> McIndoe: IF IT FLIES?
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IT SPIES!
IF IT FLIES?
IT SPIES!
>> Alfonsi: "IF IT FLIES, IT
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SPIES," THEY CHANTED.
>> McIndoe: BIRDS AREN'T REAL!
>> Alfonsi: THEN CALLED OUT THE
MAINSTREAM MEDIA'S SUPPOSED
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AVIAN AGENDA.
>> McIndoe: CNN?
PRO-BIRD!
>> Alfonsi: ACCUSING CNN OF
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BEING PRO-BIRD.
A FEW DAYS LATER WE WENT ALONG
AS PETER McINDOE, STILL IN
CHARACTER, SOMBERLY EXPLAINED TO
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US WHY BIRDS AREN'T REAL.
SO, WHAT DO BIRD TRUTHERS
BELIEVE?
>> McIndoe: EVERY SINGLE BIRD IN
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THE SKY IS A ROBOT.
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
BASICALLY MASSACRED 12 BILLION
BIRDS, BEAUTIFUL LIVING BIRDS
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UING CROP-DUSTING AIRPLANES
FLYING OVER, OVER THE STATES
OVER THE COURSE OF 40 YEARS.
AND AS THE REAL BIRDS DIED, THE
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ROBOTIC DRONES ROSE.
NOW WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE
THERE'S 12 BILLION ROBOTIC BIRDS
WATCHING US EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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BIRD WATCHING GOES?
>> BOTH WAYS!
>> McIndoe: BIRD WATCHING GOES?
>> BOTH WAYS!
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>> Alfonsi: McINDOE KEPT UP THE
ACT.
>> McIndoe: I NEVER HEAR ANYONE
ASKING, "HEY, WHY DON'T OUR
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PRESIDENTS TALK?"
THEY, THEY, TWEET ON THE BIRD
APP WITH THEIR LEFT-WING, OR
RIGHT-WING POLITICS, YOU KNOW?
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I THINK A LOT STARTS TO UNFOLD,
AND THE MATRIX STARTS TO SHATTER
THE MORE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK.
>> Alfonsi: WHAT BIRD IS MOST
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SUSPICIOUS TO YOU?
>> McIndoe: REALLY EVERY BIRD.
>> Alfonsi: HOW DO YOU FEEL
ABOUT SEAGULLS?
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>> McIndoe: UH, I DON'T TRUST
THEM, I'LL TELL YOU THAT.
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE BEACH
AND YOU GOT SOME FOOD LEFT OVER,
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AND A SEAGULL COMES OVER AND
TRIES TO GET IT?
THAT'S NOT CAUSE IT'S HUNGRY.
YOU KNOW, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA
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WANTS TO SELL US THIS LIE THAT,
"OH, BIRDS ARE HUNGRY."
YOU KNOW, WHEN IN FACT THE
SEAGULLS ARE TAKING YOUR FOOD TO
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BRING IT BACK TO THE PENTAGON
FOR D.N.A. HARVESTING AND
TESTING.
>> Alfonsi: HOW DO YOU FEEL
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ABOUT "60 MINUTES?"
I'M SURPRISED YOU'VE DECIDED TO
SIT HERE WITH US.
>> McIndoe: I'M NOT GOING TO GO
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ON NEWS SHOWS, BUT SHOWS ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, CLOCKS AND TIME I'M
OKAY WITH SHARING MY INFORMATION
WITH.
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AND I, I UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T
ANYTHING LIKE THE MEDIA.
SO, THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR
HAVING ME ON YOUR, ON, ON YOUR
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CLOCK SHOW.
>> Alfonsi: WITH THAT, HE
FINALLY BROKE CHARACTER, AND WE
MET THE REAL PETER McINDOE.
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>> Alfonsi: YOU'RE THE PERSON
THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT,
BUT HAVEN'T SEEN.
>> McIndoe: OKAY, GREAT.
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WELL, WONDERFUL TO MEET YOU.
>> Alfonsi: YEAH, NICE TO MEET
YOU, TOO.
>> McIndoe: WELCOME TO BIRD
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HISTORY.
>> Alfonsi: McINDOE, THE
24-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE DROPOUT
BEHIND BIRDS AREN'T REAL IS,
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FORTUNATELY, NOTHING LIKE THE
MEGAPHONE CARRYING CHARACTER
UNDER THE COWBOY HAT.
>> McIndoe: WHO WILL SAVE US?
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>> Alfonsi: HE TOLD US IT'S ALL
A PARODY, AND IT'S SPREAD TO
BILLBOARDS, BUMPER STICKERS, AND
POPPED UP AT HALFTIME DURING THE
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N.C.A.A. MEN'S BASKETBALL
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME LAST
MONTH.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF ALL OF
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THIS?
>> McIndoe: SO, IT'S TAKING THIS
CONCEPT OF MISINFORMATION AND
ALMOST BUILDING A LITTLE SAFE
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SPACE TO COME TOGETHER WITHIN IT
AND LAUGH AT IT, RATHER THAN BE
SCARED BY IT, AND ACCEPT THE
LUNACY OF IT ALL AND BE A BIRD
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TRUTHER FOR A MOMENT IN TIME
WHEN EVERYTHING'S SO CRAZY.
>> BIRD'S AREN'T REAL!
HEY!
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>> McIndoe: THE VISION WAS
CREATING SOMETHING THAT
REFLECTED THE ABSURDITY THROUGH
THE EYES OF THE MOST CONFUSED
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ARCHETYPE.
PEOPLE, WHEN THEY MAKE FUN OF
ME, DON'T REALIZE PEOPLE ALSO
MADE FUN OF THE FOUNDING
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FATHERS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY
STORMED TH-- THE BRITISH GATES
AND TOOK OVER.
>> Alfonsi: THE HUMOR IS MEANT
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TO BE APOLITICAL.
McINDOE'S CO-CONSPIRATORS:
CLAIRE CHRONIS, CAMERON KASKY
AND CONNOR GAYDOS, SAY IT'S
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BECOME AN OUTLET FOR A
GENERATION THAT'S BEEN
SURROUNDED BY CONSPIRACY
THEORIES.
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>> Connor Gaydos: IT'S AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR I THINK OUR
GENERATION TO LAUGH, TO MAKE
FUN, TO KIND OF BE LIKE, LOOK,
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HERE'S LIKE A LAUNDRY LIST OF
THINGS THAT HAVEN'T COME TRUE.
>> Cameron Kasky: YOU'VE BEEN
LYING TO US SO WE'RE GOING TO
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LIE TO YOU BACK, AND WE'RE GOING
TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT REALLY IS
FUNNY.
>> Alfonsi: IS THERE ANY DANGER
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OF ADDING TO THE NOISE?
>> Kasky: ALWAYS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT
USING LANGUAGE THAT ACTUALLY
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HARMFUL AND HATEFUL CONSPIRACY
THEORIES USE TO TARGET PEOPLE.
>> Alfonsi: CAMERON KASKY WOULD
KNOW.
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>> Kasky: WELL, I'VE BEEN
TARGETED, DOXXED AND HARASSED BY
QANON BEFORE.
WE ARE THE MASS SHOOTING
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GENERATION.
>> Alfonsi: WE FIRST MET KASKY
IN 2018 AFTER HE SURVIVED THE
HORRIFIC SHOOTING AT HIS
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PARKLAND, FLORIDA, HIGH SCHOOL
WHERE 14 CLASSMATES AND THREE
TEACHERS WERE MURDERED.
>> WELCOME TO THE REVOLUTION.
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>> Alfonsi: KASKY HELPED CREATE
MARCH FOR OUR LIVES, AN
ORGANIZATION THAT CALLS FOR
STRONGER GUN LAWS.
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>> Kasky: MY FRIENDS AND I WERE
CALLED CRISIS ACTORS AND, YOU
KNOW, I KIND OF HAD THIS STRANGE
PERSPECTIVE ON CONSPIRACY
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THEORIES BECAUSE THE INTERNET
WAS TELLING ME THAT MY FATHER
AND GRANDFATHER WERE CHILD
TRAFFICKERS BECAUSE THEY'RE
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ADOPTION LAWYERS.
>> Alfonsi: ISN'T THERE PART OF
THIS THAT'S JUST SAYING SIMPLY
LOOK AT ALL THESE CONSPIRACY
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THEORIES.
THEY'RE RIDICULOUS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE RIDICULOUS
SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS
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RIDICULOUS.
>> Gaydos: THAT'S THE IDEA.
>> Claire Chronis: FIGHTING
LUNACY WITH LUNACY.
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>> Alfonsi: FIGHTING LUNACY WITH
LUNACY.
>> Chronis: YEAH.
>> Alfonsi: McINDOE'S BEEN
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REBELLING SINCE HIS DAYS GROWING
UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN ARKANSAS.
>> McIndoe: I GREW UP IN A
REALLY FUNDAMENTALIST COMMUNITY
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THAT WAS, LIKE, HYPER
CONSERVATIVE.
>> Alfonsi: WERE CONSPIRACY
THEORIES A PART OF THE
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COMMUNITY?
>> McIndoe: OH, I MEAN, EMBEDDED
IN THE COMMUNITY.
>> Alfonsi: REALLY?
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>> McIndoe: OH, YEAH.
>> Alfonsi: WERE YOU IN TROUBLE
A LOT?
>> McIndoe: YEAH.
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I MEAN, IT WAS JUST CAUSE I'D
SPENT MOST OF MY TIME IN THOSE
COMMUNITIES ARGUING WITH PEOPLE.
THERE WAS HOMECOMING AND I GOT
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VOTED MOST LIKELY TO GO TO JAIL.
NOT EVEN KIDDING.“
MOST LIKELY TO GO TO JAIL:
PETER McINDOE.”
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>> Alfonsi: McINDOE STAYED OUT
OF JAIL AND ENROLLED AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS WITH NO
INTENT TO HATCH BIRDS AREN'T
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REAL.
THE IDEA WAS AN ACCIDENT.
A DAY AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
INAUGURATION IN 2017, McINDOE
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WAS HANGING OUT WITH FRIENDS IN
MEMPHIS ON THE ROOF OF A
BUILDING WHEN THEY HEARD
DEMONSTRATORS IN THE STREETS
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BELOW.
>> LOVE TRUMPS HATE, LOVE TRUMPS
HATE.
>> McIndoe: I REMEMBER THINKING
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IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING IF
SOMEONE WAS IN THIS SITUATION
WITH A SIGN THAT HAD NOTHING TO
DO WITH ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON
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HERE.
>> Alfonsi: AND SO, HOW DID YOU
GET TO BIRDS AREN'T REAL AS THE
THING THAT'S ON THE SIGN?
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>> McIndoe: I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
IT WAS JUST THE MOST ABSURD
THING I COULD THINK OF.
I'M ANGRY, AND I'M HERE TO
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PROTEST.
>> Alfonsi: SIGN IN HAND, HE
TOOK TO THE STREETS OF MEMPHIS,
AD-LIBBING A STREAM OF
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ABSURDITIES.
>> McIndoe: WAKE UP AMERICA!
BIRDS ARE NOT REAL, THEY'RE A
MYTH, THEY'RE AN ILLUSION.
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> Alfonsi: HIS FRIENDS LAUREN
KERSTELL, ALLY PERKINS AND JENNY
BAILEY COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT WAS
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COMING OUT OF PETER'S MOUTH.
>> McIndoe: THEY'RE NOT REAL,
THEY'RE FAKE.
>> Jenny Bailey: PETER JUST GOES
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ALL OUT AND HE JUST STARTS,
LIKE, SCREAMING, LIKE RANDOM
STUFF, LIKE OFF THE TOP OF HIS
HEAD.
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LIKE, JUST WHATEVER HE THOUGHT
OF IN THE MOMENT.
>> Alfonsi: AND IT'S NOT
SCRIPTED, HE'S JUST 100%--
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>> Bailey: NO.
>> Alfonsi: IMPROVISING THIS
MOMENT?
>> Bailey: YEAH.
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HE'S LIKE, “BIRDS AREN'T REAL.
THEY'RE A LIE.”
AND JUST LIKE WHATEVER WOULD
COME UP TO HIS HEAD, HE'D, LIKE,
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SAY IT.
>> Lauren Kerstell: IT WAS JUST
INCREDIBLE HOW HE CREATED THIS
WHOLE CHARACTER AND PERSONALITY
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OFF THE BAT.
LIKE, HIS IMPROV WAS--
>> Ally Perkins: SO QUICKLY.
>> Kerstell: FLAWLESS.
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>> Perkins: YEAH, IT WAS
IMPRESSIVE.
WE WERE LIKE, "OKAY. WHERE DID
THIS COME FROM?"
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>> McIndoe: THERE IS A BIRDEMIC
HAPPENING.
>> Alfonsi: PETER'S FRIEND ALLY
INNOCENTLY POSTED A VIDEO OF
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THAT DAY ONLINE, AND THEN
EVERYTHING CHANGED.
>> McIndoe: BIRDS ARE NOT REAL.
SO, I'M GETTING PICTURES SENT TO
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ME OF BIRDS AREN'T REAL GRAFFITI
AND BIRDS AREN'T REAL
CHALKBOARDS AND SEEING, YOU
KNOW, CHANTS.
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>> BIRDS AREN'T REAL!
>> McIndoe: IN CAFETERIAS AND
YOU KNOW STADIUMS LIKE “BIRDS
AREN'T REAL” AT HIGH SCHOOLS.
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>> Alfonsi: DID YOU THINK AT
THAT POINT, LIKE, “THIS IS
AWESOME” OR “WHAT HAVE I DONE?”
>> McIndoe: I REMEMBER BEING
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FASCINATED BY IT.
I REMEMBER THINKING, “OKAY, WHY
DO PEOPLE IDENTIFY WITH THIS SO
MUCH?”
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AND JUST THINKING, LIKE, THERE
WAS THIS ENERGY IN MEMPHIS FOR
THIS IDEA, AND THAT I WOULD
ALWAYS REGRET IT IF I DIDN'T
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LEAN INTO THAT.
>> Alfonsi: WHAT DID YOUR
PARENTS THINK WHEN YOU SAID,“
I'M DROPPING OUT OF COLLEGE,
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I'M MOVING TO MEMPHIS.”
>> McIndoe: YEAH...
>> Alfonsi: TO START A FAKE
CONSPIRACY THEORY?
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>> McIndoe: YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS
REALLY INTERESTING.
I WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE TO THEM
IT COULD BE A VERY INTERESTING
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ART PROJECT, SORT OF LIKE A
MIRROR TO, YOU NOW, JUST THE
SEEMINGLY EXPONENTIALLY GROWING
ABSURDITY OF THE WORLD AND
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AMERICA.
AND, LIKE, IF WE CAN MATCH THAT
WITH A CHARACTER IN A LIVING
WORLD, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
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AND THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT ME,
LIKE, “PLEASE STICK WITH THE
PSYCHOLOGY DEGREE,” YOU KNOW.
>> Alfonsi: McINDOE ENLISTED HIS
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FRIEND CONNOR GAYDOS, A HISTORY
BUFF, TO WRITE A BACKSTORY FOR
THE BIRDS MOVEMENT.
>> Gaydos: THE C.I.A. WAS SO
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SICK AND TIRED OF THE BIRDS
POOPING ON THEIR WINDSHIELDS, SO
THEY'RE LIKE, "WE'RE SICK OF
THIS, WE'RE FED UP WITH THIS.
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LET'S HIRE, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS
TO, TO GET RID OF THESE STUPID
BIRDS.
AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S
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REPLACE THEM WITH ROBOTS AND SPY
ON PEOPLE."
SO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A JOKE.
>> PLEASE REMEMBER, STAY CALM.
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>> Alfonsi: BUT THEN, THEY TOOK
THE STORY A STEP FURTHER.
EVERY CONSPIRACY NEEDS A“
DEEP STATE” WHISTLEBLOWER.
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>> WELL, I SAW SOME THINGS THAT
I REALLY WISH I HADN'T SEEN.
>> McIndoe: ARE YOU REFERRING TO
BIRD-DRONE SURVEILLANCE?
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>> YEAH.
>> Alfonsi: McINDOE INVENTED,
AND INTERVIEWED, A CHARACTER
CALLED EUGENE PRICE.
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PRICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FORMER
C.I.A. OFFICER WHO BURIED
EVIDENCE OF THE BIRD GENOCIDE
AND THE RISE OF THE DRONES.
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WHEN YOU WERE HIRING AN ACTOR TO
PLAY EUGENE PRICE, WHAT WERE YOU
LOOKING FOR IN THAT ACTOR?
>> McIndoe: THE OLDEST MAN I
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COULD FIND.
I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO
LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD JUST HAD
SOME GUILT WEIGHING DOWN ON THEM
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FOR YEARS.
LIKE, I REALLY WANTED BAGS UNDER
THE EYES, SLEEPLESS NIGHTS.
WE RELEASED A VIDEO TITLED "THE
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CONFESSION OF EUGENE PRICE,"
WHERE HE, FOR THE FIRST TIME
EVER ON RECORD, AN EX-C.I.A.
AGENT CAME OUT AND SAID
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EVERYTHING THAT THE GOVERNMENT
HAD DONE.
DID YOU KEEP ANYTHING?
>> NO!
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>> Alfonsi: THAT VIDEO GOT OVER
10 MILLION VIEWS ON TIKTOK.
ARE THERE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE
THAT BIRDS AREN'T REAL?
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>> Gaydos: I'VE IRONICALLY MET
PEOPLE WHO GO, "OH, I KNOW," AND
THEY'LL ACT LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY
KNOWN.
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>> Alfonsi: THAT BIRDS AREN'T
REAL?
>> Gaydos: YEAH.
THEY'LL BE LIKE, "OH, I KNOW, I
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KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE C.I.A.," YOU KNOW, "THEY'VE
BEEN DOING THAT."
>> Alfonsi: BUT THE GAG IS
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APPARENT FOR ALL TO SEE IN
McINDOE'S BEAT UP VAN THAT HE
BOUGHT FOR $2,000.
>> McIndoe: THIS IS OUR CHARIOT.
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>> Alfonsi: WOW!
>> McIndoe: THIS IS OUR LOYAL
DUCHESS.
TAKES US WHEREVER WE NEED TO GO.
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>> Alfonsi: SUPER UNDERSTATED,
RIGHT?
>> McIndoe: YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE
LOW KEY, YOU KNOW?
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>> Alfonsi: BLACK, AND WHITE,
AND CRAZY ALL OVER.
IT IS A MOBILE MANIFESTO CALLING
PIGEONS LIARS AND CLAIMING BIRDS
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CHARGE ON POWER LINES.
>> McIndoe: THE GOVERNMENT HAS
SOLD THE PUBLIC ON THIS LIE OF
POWER LINES OR, OH, YOU'RE
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TALKING TO PEOPLE THROUGH THESE
WIRES, TELEPHONE WIRES, YOU
KNOW, WHEN REALLY, YOU KNOW,
THEY PUT UP POLES AND WIRES FOR
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DRONES TO SIT ON, AND CHARGE.
>> Alfonsi: WE FOLLOWED PETER
McINDOE IN HIS VAN AS HE TRIED
TO SPREAD THE FEATHERED GOSPEL
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ON THE STREETS OF ORANGE COUNTY,
CALIFORNIA.
>> McIndoe: I'M PART OF A
MOVEMENT THAT BELIEVES EVERY
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BIRD IS A GOVERNMENT
SURVEILLANCE DRONE.
>> Alfonsi: ONE PERSON THOUGHT
HE SHOULD SEEK HELP.
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>> MAYBE YOU SHOULD SEE
SOMEBODY.
>> Alfonsi: ANOTHER WANTED TO
PRAY FOR HIM.
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>> LORD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
PETE.
I THANK YOU FOR HIS HEART.
>> McIndoe: JUST KNOW YOU'RE
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BEING WATCHED.
KNOW THAT IT'S--
>> FOR WHAT REASON THOUGH?
>> McIndoe: FOR WHAT REASON?
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>> YEAH.
WHY ARE THEY WATCHING ME?
>> McIndoe: THEY WANT MASS
CONTROL.
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SO, YOU'RE WOKE.
>> Alfonsi: REMARKABLY, MOST OF
THE UNDER 40 CROWD WAS IN ON THE
JOKE.
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>> BRO, I'M TIRED OF THOSE BIRDS
SITTING ON THE POWER LINES,
DRAINING ALL OF OUR POWER, AM I
RIGHT?
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>> Alfonsi: HOW DO YOU MAKE A
LIVING DOING THIS?
>> McIndoe: BARELY.
I, WE, WE HAVE SHIRTS ON OUR
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WEBSITE.
>> Alfonsi: DO YOU THINK YOU'LL
HAVE TO RELY ON T-SHIRT SALES
FOREVER?
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>> McIndoe: NO.
EVERYONE'S REACHED OUT TO US
ABOUT BOOKS AND MOVIES WHICH HAS
BEEN INTERESTING, BECAUSE THE
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IDEA HAS NEVER BEEN PACKAGED
INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> LET'S GO!
>> Alfonsi: McINDOE SAYS MORE
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THAN A MILLION PEOPLE NOW CALL
THEMSELVES BIRD TRUTHERS.
THEY'VE FLOCKED TO RALLIES
AROUND THE COUNTRY.
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IN FRONT OF TWITTER'S
HEADQUARTERS, THEY DEMANDED THE
COMPANY DROP ITS BIRD LOGO.
>> THEY'RE TRYING TO BRAINWASH
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YOU.
>> Alfonsi: AND IN ST. LOUIS...
>> BIRDS AREN'T REAL, BIRDS
AREN'T REAL.
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>> Alfonsi: McINDOE BRAZENLY
BURNED A CARDINALS' FLAG IN THE
SHADOW OF THE ARCH.
>> BIRDS AREN'T REAL!
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GO!
>> Alfonsi: IN AN AGE OF
OUTRAGE, PETER McINDOE IS HOPING
TO DROWN OUT THE CHORUS OF CRAZY
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IN THIS COUNTRY, WITH A LITTLE
CRAZY OF HIS OWN.
>> BIRDS AREN'T REAL!
BIRDS AREN'T REAL!
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( TICKING )
>> Whitaker: I'M BILL WHITAKER.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH
ANOTHER EDITIO
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