1 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:14,333 >>> AS RUSSIA SETS OFF A MAJOR 2 00:00:14,333 --> 00:00:15,733 ESCALATION IN UKRAINE, YOU'LL 3 00:00:15,733 --> 00:00:17,633 HEAR TONIGHT FROM UKRAINE'S 4 00:00:17,633 --> 00:00:19,300 FIRST LADY, OLENA ZELENSKA, 5 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:23,700 ABOUT ENDURING A TIME OF WAR. 6 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:25,133 HALF OF OUR FAMILIES ARE 7 00:00:25,133 --> 00:00:25,967 SEPARATED, SHE TOLD US. 8 00:00:25,967 --> 00:00:29,967 PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO LEAVE THEIR 9 00:00:29,967 --> 00:00:32,299 HOMES BECAUSE OF SHELLING. 10 00:00:32,299 --> 00:00:33,767 THEY'RE AFRAID EVEN TO TRY TO 11 00:00:33,767 --> 00:00:34,400 EVACUATE. 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,300 WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF DEAD, 13 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:41,800 HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN ARE DEAD. 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,700 >> CANDANCE TYLER'S WORLD WENT 15 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:47,267 UP IN FLAMES ON AUGUST 17th WHEN 16 00:00:47,267 --> 00:00:49,900 THE CALDOR FIRE TORE OUT OF THE 17 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:50,967 ELDORADO NATIONAL FOREST AND 18 00:00:50,967 --> 00:00:54,433 BURNED THE FAMILY RANCH TO THE 19 00:00:54,433 --> 00:00:54,667 GROUND. 20 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:56,700 >> WHEN YOU GOT HOT EMBERS 21 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:59,833 RAINING DOWN ON YOU AND YOUR 22 00:00:59,833 --> 00:01:00,533 FRIENDS AND FAMILIES' HOUSES ARE 23 00:01:00,533 --> 00:01:01,533 EXPLOETDING AND YOU'RE LISTENING 24 00:01:01,533 --> 00:01:03,667 TO IT, AND THERE AIN'T NOTHING 25 00:01:03,667 --> 00:01:08,333 BETWEEN HERE AND THERE TO STOP 26 00:01:08,333 --> 00:01:10,400 YA, YOU KNOW YOUR FATE. 27 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,100 >>> YOU MIGHT THINK OF RUGBY 28 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:14,300 PLAYERS AS HUMAN BUMPER CARS, 29 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:15,700 FORWARD, BACKWARD, AND 30 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:16,833 OBLITERATING EVERYTHING IN THE 31 00:01:16,833 --> 00:01:17,067 WAY. 32 00:01:17,067 --> 00:01:19,100 THIS SPORT COMBINES THE 33 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:21,300 COLLISIONS OF FOOTBALL MINUS 34 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:22,933 PADS WITH THE FLUID CONTINUITY 35 00:01:22,933 --> 00:01:24,700 OF BASKETBALL OR HOCKEY. 36 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:26,900 IT IS, AS THE SAYING GOES, THE 37 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:32,366 GAME FOR HOOLIGANS PLAYED BY 38 00:01:32,366 --> 00:01:33,567 GENTLEMEN. 39 00:01:33,567 --> 00:01:36,067 SIYA KOLISI IS THE FIRST BLACK 40 00:01:36,067 --> 00:01:37,200 PLAYER TO BE NAMED CAPTAIN OF 41 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,067 SOUTH AFRICA'S TEAM. 42 00:01:38,067 --> 00:01:40,667 IT MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN A 43 00:01:40,667 --> 00:01:41,533 POLITICAL APPOINTMENT IN A 44 00:01:41,533 --> 00:01:46,133 COUNTRY IN NEED OF REPAIR. 45 00:01:46,133 --> 00:01:47,500 >>> I'M LESLEY STAHL. 46 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:49,067 >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. 47 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:51,800 >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. 48 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:52,866 >> I'M SHARON. 49 00:01:52,866 --> 00:02:00,067 >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. 50 00:02:00,067 --> 00:02:06,533 >> I'M SCOTT 51 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:11,733 . 52 00:02:11,733 --> 00:02:16,767 >>> IN A MAJOR ESCALATION OF THE 53 00:02:16,767 --> 00:02:18,100 WAR IN EUROPE, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT 54 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:18,733 VLADIMIR PUTIN ANNOUNCED FRIDAY 55 00:02:18,733 --> 00:02:19,300 HE IS ANNEXING ABOUT 20% OF 56 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:20,233 UKRAINE. 57 00:02:20,233 --> 00:02:20,833 THE REGION IN THE EAST AND IN 58 00:02:20,833 --> 00:02:21,833 THE SOUTH IS ONLY PARTLY 59 00:02:21,833 --> 00:02:25,067 CONTROLLED BY RUSSIA BECAUSE OF 60 00:02:25,067 --> 00:02:26,600 A UKRAINIAN COUNTEROFFENSIVE. IN 61 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,267 A BELLIGERENT SPEECH, PUTIN 62 00:02:28,267 --> 00:02:31,100 REFERRED TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AND 63 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:35,067 ACCUSED THE WEST OF SATANISM. 64 00:02:35,067 --> 00:02:37,367 HE VOWED THAT THE TERRITORY WILL 65 00:02:37,367 --> 00:02:38,400 BE RUSSIAN FOREVER. 66 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,466 PRESIDENT BIDEN RESPONDED THAT 67 00:02:39,466 --> 00:02:42,333 THE U.S. WILL NEVER RECOGNIZE 68 00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:42,966 THE ANNEXATION AND WILL SUPPORT 69 00:02:42,966 --> 00:02:43,600 UKRAINE'S MILITARY AS LONG AS IT 70 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,567 TAKES. 71 00:02:46,567 --> 00:02:48,667 SEVEN MONTHS OF WAR HAVE BEEN 72 00:02:48,667 --> 00:02:51,633 CATASTROPHIC FOR UKRAINIAN 73 00:02:51,633 --> 00:02:53,966 FAMILIES, MANY OF WHOM TURN FOR 74 00:02:53,966 --> 00:02:56,067 HOPE TO OLENA ZELENSKA. 75 00:02:56,067 --> 00:02:58,733 THE FIRST LADY OF UKRAINE WAS 76 00:02:58,733 --> 00:03:01,400 TRAINED AS AN ARCHITECT, MADE A 77 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,067 LIVING AS A COMEDY WRITER, BUT 78 00:03:03,067 --> 00:03:03,533 AWOKE LAST FEBRUARY TO A 79 00:03:03,533 --> 00:03:04,600 TRAGEDY. 80 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,767 OVERNIGHT, SHE BECAME AN 81 00:03:07,767 --> 00:03:09,900 AMBASSADOR, A MOURNER, AND THE 82 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:10,533 HEALER OF A NATION FIGHTING FOR 83 00:03:10,533 --> 00:03:15,167 ITS LIFE. 84 00:03:15,167 --> 00:03:17,300 WE MET IN THE CAPITAL, KYIV, AT 85 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:23,867 A LOCATION WE AGREED NOT TO 86 00:03:23,867 --> 00:03:25,067 DISCLOSE. 87 00:03:25,067 --> 00:03:26,900 THE DAY OF OUR INTERVIEW, 88 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:28,700 UKRAINE WAS FORCING A RUSSIAN 89 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:29,333 RETREAT AND EXPOSING THE HORRORS 90 00:03:29,333 --> 00:03:29,700 OF THE INVASION. 91 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:30,233 WHAT HAVE THE FAMILIES OF 92 00:03:30,233 --> 00:03:37,067 UKRAINE LOST? 93 00:03:37,067 --> 00:03:38,600 >> HALF OUR FAMILIES ARE 94 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,067 SEPARATED, SHE TOLD US, BECAUSE 95 00:03:41,067 --> 00:03:43,567 SOMEONE IS AT THE FRONT, SOMEONE 96 00:03:43,567 --> 00:03:45,367 WENT ABROAD TO SAVE THEIR 97 00:03:45,367 --> 00:03:46,667 CHILDREN, SOMEONE IS UNDER 98 00:03:46,667 --> 00:03:47,200 RUSSIAN OCCUPATION. 99 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,867 PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO LEAVE THEIR 100 00:03:49,867 --> 00:03:50,966 HOMES BECAUSE OF SHELLING. 101 00:03:50,966 --> 00:03:54,267 THEY'RE AFRAID TO EVEN TRY TO 102 00:03:54,267 --> 00:03:54,767 EVACUATE. 103 00:03:54,767 --> 00:03:56,966 WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF DEAD. 104 00:03:56,966 --> 00:03:59,267 HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN ARE DEAD. 105 00:03:59,267 --> 00:04:02,533 >> WE WERE JUST IN CHERNIHIV. 106 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:05,067 WE SAW THE SOCCER STADIUM HAD 107 00:04:05,067 --> 00:04:07,067 BEEN BOMBED. 108 00:04:07,067 --> 00:04:10,800 THE LIBRARY, A HOSPITAL, PUBLIC 109 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,667 SCHOOL NUMBER 18, PUBLIC SCHOOL 110 00:04:13,667 --> 00:04:14,500 NUMBER 21. 111 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:19,132 WHAT ARE THE RUSSIANS TRYING TO 112 00:04:19,132 --> 00:04:19,533 DO? 113 00:04:19,533 --> 00:04:20,899 THEY TRY TO FRIGHTEN PEOPLE TO 114 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:23,067 MAKE THEM RUN, TO HAVE TOWNS AND 115 00:04:23,067 --> 00:04:26,267 VILLAGES EMPTY SO THEY CAN 116 00:04:26,267 --> 00:04:27,733 OCCUPY THESE TERRITORIES. 117 00:04:27,733 --> 00:04:31,100 >> IS IT WARFARE OR IS IT 118 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:31,367 TERRORISM? 119 00:04:31,367 --> 00:04:33,200 >> DEFINITELY TERRORISM. 120 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,400 THE WAR IS BEING WAGED USING 121 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,400 MODERN MEANS, BUT FROM THE MORAL 122 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,067 AND ETHICAL POINT OF VIEW, IT'S 123 00:04:40,067 --> 00:04:44,467 THE MIDDLE AGES. 124 00:04:44,467 --> 00:04:46,633 OLENA ZELENSKA IS 44 YEARS ODD, 125 00:04:46,633 --> 00:04:49,300 MARRIED 19 YEARS TO HER HUSBAND, 126 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:51,300 PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY. 127 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:53,100 THEIR NAMES DIFFER BECAUSE IN 128 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:55,433 SLAVIC LANGUAGES, SURNAMES ARE 129 00:04:55,433 --> 00:04:57,633 OFTEN MODIFIED BY GENDER. 130 00:04:57,633 --> 00:05:01,733 WHEN WE SPOKE TO HER HUSBAND IN 131 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:08,133 EARLY APRIL, HE TOLD US HIS WIFE 132 00:05:08,133 --> 00:05:09,567 AND TWO CHILDREN WERE IN HIDING, 133 00:05:09,567 --> 00:05:11,433 BUT WEEKS LATER, HE DEPLOYED HIS 134 00:05:11,433 --> 00:05:12,467 WIFE LIKE A WEAPON. 135 00:05:12,467 --> 00:05:14,433 IN MAY, SHE SHOWED FIRST LADY 136 00:05:14,433 --> 00:05:17,332 JILL BIDEN THE WAR'S HOMELESS IN 137 00:05:17,332 --> 00:05:18,400 WESTERN UKRAINE. 138 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,067 IN JULY, SHE CAME TO WASHINGTON 139 00:05:23,067 --> 00:05:25,933 AND BECAME THE FIRST FIRST LADY 140 00:05:25,933 --> 00:05:31,633 TO ADDRESS THE U.S. CONGRESS. 141 00:05:31,633 --> 00:05:34,700 I'M ANXIETYSKING FOR WEAPONS, SHE SAID 142 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:36,133 THEN, WEAPONS THAT WOULD NOT BE 143 00:05:36,133 --> 00:05:37,900 USED TO WAGE WAR ON SOMEBODY 144 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:39,332 ELSE'S LAND BUT TO PROTECT ONE'S 145 00:05:39,332 --> 00:05:41,133 HOME AND THE RIGHT TO WAKE UP 146 00:05:41,133 --> 00:05:43,433 ALIVE IN THAT HOME. 147 00:05:43,433 --> 00:05:45,400 WHEN WE MET, WE NOTICED WHAT 148 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,500 SEEMED LIKE A WEARINESS SHE WAS 149 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:51,100 DETERMINED TO IGNORE. 150 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:52,100 IT WAS THE PRICE OF THE PATH SHE 151 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:54,533 HAD CHOSEN, TO MEET HER PEOPLE, 152 00:05:54,533 --> 00:05:56,467 KNOW THEIR PAIN, AND BEAR THE 153 00:05:56,467 --> 00:06:01,067 WEIGHT OF EMPATHY. 154 00:06:01,067 --> 00:06:05,433 WE MET A MAN IN BUCHA YESTERDAY. 155 00:06:05,433 --> 00:06:07,167 HE AND HIS FAMILY WERE FLEEING 156 00:06:07,167 --> 00:06:08,667 THE RUSSIAN INVASION. 157 00:06:08,667 --> 00:06:13,067 THE RUSSIANS OPENED FIRE ON HIS 158 00:06:13,067 --> 00:06:13,167 CAR. 159 00:06:13,167 --> 00:06:15,433 HIS LEG WAS DESTROYED. 160 00:06:15,433 --> 00:06:19,367 THE CAR CAUGHT FIRE. 161 00:06:19,367 --> 00:06:21,600 AND HE WATCHED HIS WIFE AND 162 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,633 CHILDREN BURN TO DEATH. 163 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:26,800 I FIND IT HARD TO EXPRESS THE 164 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,633 ENORMITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. 165 00:06:28,633 --> 00:06:31,067 AND I WONDER HOW YOU EXPRESS THE 166 00:06:31,067 --> 00:06:35,233 SUFFERING OF YOUR PEOPLE? 167 00:06:35,233 --> 00:06:37,567 >> I FEEL LIKE A PART OF THESE 168 00:06:37,567 --> 00:06:38,167 PEOPLE. 169 00:06:38,167 --> 00:06:41,800 I FEEL AS IF THIS IS MY PAIN. 170 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,133 THE STORIES ARE TERRIFYING AND 171 00:06:44,133 --> 00:06:48,567 WE TRY TO SOMEHOW HELP THE 172 00:06:48,567 --> 00:06:48,832 SURVIVORS. 173 00:06:48,832 --> 00:06:50,767 YOU JUST TOLD ME THIS MAN IN 174 00:06:50,767 --> 00:06:53,267 BUCHA HAD LOST HIS LEG, WELL, A 175 00:06:53,267 --> 00:06:56,633 GIRL, SASHA HAS LOST HER ARM. 176 00:06:56,633 --> 00:06:57,500 NOW SHE'S IN THE UNITED STATES. 177 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:00,500 I STARTED A PROGRAM WITH THE 178 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:02,467 UKRAINE HOUSE IN WASHINGTON, AND 179 00:07:02,467 --> 00:07:04,700 WITH MANY AMERICAN 180 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:05,433 PHILANTHROPISTS AND AMERICAN 181 00:07:05,433 --> 00:07:08,067 DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS, WE FOUND 182 00:07:08,067 --> 00:07:10,800 AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE GIRL 183 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:20,067 AN ARTIFICIAL PROSTHESES. 184 00:07:20,067 --> 00:07:22,067 BUT EVERY TIME SHE LOOKS AT HER 185 00:07:22,067 --> 00:07:24,832 HANDS, SHE WILL SEE WHAT SHE HAS 186 00:07:24,832 --> 00:07:25,200 LOST. 187 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,733 SASHA WILL ALWAYS SEE WHAT SHE 188 00:07:26,733 --> 00:07:30,233 LOST IN THIS WAR. 189 00:07:30,233 --> 00:07:32,767 THE WORLD HAS WATCHED AS UKRAINE 190 00:07:32,767 --> 00:07:36,200 HAS LOST ENTIRE CITIES. 191 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,133 NEARLY 500 HOSPITALS AND CLINICS 192 00:07:39,133 --> 00:07:41,567 HAVE BEEN HIT. 193 00:07:41,567 --> 00:07:46,332 SCHOOLS ARE DEVASTATED. 194 00:07:46,332 --> 00:07:49,100 MRS. ZELENSKA TOLD US ABOUT 150 195 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:50,067 SCHOOLS DO NOT EXIST. 196 00:07:50,067 --> 00:07:52,800 ABOUT 900 SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN 197 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,067 DAMAGED. 198 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:57,733 WE SAW WHAT SHE MEANS IN 199 00:07:57,733 --> 00:08:00,700 CHERNIHIV, 300 MILES NORTH OF 200 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:01,233 KYIV. 201 00:08:01,233 --> 00:08:02,967 PUBLIC SCHOOL 21 WAS USED AS A 202 00:08:02,967 --> 00:08:04,567 SHELTER WHEN A RUSSIAN BOMB 203 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:04,800 STRUCK. 204 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,300 WE ASKED SOME OF THOSE WHO WERE 205 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:09,067 THERE TO JOIN US. 206 00:08:09,067 --> 00:08:14,300 WHY WOULD THE RUSSIANS BOMB A 207 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:16,733 SCHOOL? 208 00:08:16,733 --> 00:08:17,867 THE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL TOLD US I 209 00:08:17,867 --> 00:08:19,067 THOUGHT IT WAS A SAFE PLACE FOR 210 00:08:19,067 --> 00:08:20,133 ALL OF US. 211 00:08:20,133 --> 00:08:22,167 WE EVEN WROTE THE WORD CHILDREN 212 00:08:22,167 --> 00:08:31,300 ON THE WINDOWS. 213 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:33,267 THIS IS PRINCIPAL LEVCHENKO WHO 214 00:08:33,267 --> 00:08:35,967 LOST VISION IN ONE EYE. 215 00:08:35,967 --> 00:08:37,732 MY FACE AND MY EAR WERE INJURED, 216 00:08:37,732 --> 00:08:40,067 MY HEAD AND MY RIGHT ARM WERE 217 00:08:40,067 --> 00:08:41,332 CUT WITH SOME FRAGMENTS. 218 00:08:41,332 --> 00:08:42,799 A MAN CAME OVER AND HELPED ME UP 219 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,400 AND TOOK ME TO A CAR THAT DROVE 220 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,067 US TO THE HOSPITAL. 221 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:47,800 WHEN HE HELPED ME STAND UP, I 222 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:55,567 ASKED HIM ABOUT THE -- SHE 223 00:08:55,567 --> 00:09:02,067 COULDN'T QUITE SAY THE WORD, 224 00:09:02,067 --> 00:09:02,333 CHILDREN. 225 00:09:02,333 --> 00:09:04,667 CHILDREN WERE WOUNDED. 226 00:09:04,667 --> 00:09:07,800 BUT SEVEN ADULTS WERE KILLED. 227 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:15,933 ANOTHER BOMB HIT VALENTYNA 228 00:09:15,933 --> 00:09:16,467 VASYLCHENKO HOME. 229 00:09:16,467 --> 00:09:18,700 MY GRANDSON'S HEART WAS STILL 230 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:19,267 BEATING. 231 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:20,167 THEY WERE GIVING HIM MEDICAL 232 00:09:20,167 --> 00:09:21,267 ASSISTANCE, BUT A LOT OF TIME 233 00:09:21,267 --> 00:09:22,967 WAS LOST, AND HE DIED IN THE 234 00:09:22,967 --> 00:09:25,300 AMBULANCE NEAR THE HOUSE. 235 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:27,933 MY GRANDDAUGHTER, HER FIANCE, MY 236 00:09:27,933 --> 00:09:30,833 DAUGHTER'S HUSBAND AND MY MOTHER 237 00:09:30,833 --> 00:09:35,700 WERE FOUND DEAD IN THE RUBBLE. 238 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:37,367 PUBLIC SCHOOL 21 IN CHERNIHIV 239 00:09:37,367 --> 00:09:39,933 HAD 850 STUDENTS. 240 00:09:39,933 --> 00:09:41,267 HOW ARE YOU EDUCATING THE 241 00:09:41,267 --> 00:09:46,800 CHILDREN OF UKRAINE TODAY? 242 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:47,433 >> AROUND 3,500 SCHOOLS WILL 243 00:09:47,433 --> 00:09:49,333 OPERATE ONLINE ONLY BECAUSE 244 00:09:49,333 --> 00:09:51,733 SCHOOLS CANNOT RECEIVE STUDENTS 245 00:09:51,733 --> 00:09:52,900 AND BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS ARE 246 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:58,167 AFRAID TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO 247 00:09:58,167 --> 00:09:58,667 SCHOOL. 248 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:01,133 UKRAINE'S CHILDREN WENT TO 249 00:10:01,133 --> 00:10:04,767 SCHOOL THIS YEAR, AND THE FIRST 250 00:10:04,767 --> 00:10:06,067 THING THEY LEARNED IS WHERE THE 251 00:10:06,067 --> 00:10:08,800 BOMB SHELTER IS, HOW TO GET 252 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,767 THERE, AND WHAT TO DO IN CASE A 253 00:10:12,767 --> 00:10:14,700 MISSILE STRIKES. 254 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:15,833 WE WILL FIGHT. 255 00:10:15,833 --> 00:10:20,700 WE WILL NOT GIVE OUR CHILDREN 256 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:21,700 UP. 257 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:24,300 I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN FORGIVE 258 00:10:24,300 --> 00:10:24,500 THIS. 259 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:31,400 I DON'T THINK WE WILL. 260 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,067 AFTER THE RUSSIANS SEVERED 261 00:10:33,067 --> 00:10:34,267 COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE OCCUPIED 262 00:10:34,267 --> 00:10:37,000 TERRITORIES, UKRAINIANS DROPPED 263 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,300 MESSAGES IN THE DNIPRO RIVER, 264 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:42,300 WITH THE CURRENT AND AGAINST THE 265 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:43,300 CHANTS THEY WOULD REACH THOSE 266 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:46,767 BEHIND THE NEW IRON CURTAIN. 267 00:10:46,767 --> 00:10:48,667 WE REALLY HOPE THAT OUR LOVE 268 00:10:48,667 --> 00:10:50,000 LETTERS WERE RECEIVED BY SOMEONE 269 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,600 THERE AND THAT THEY HEAR US. 270 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,300 I TRULY HOPE OUR PEOPLE WILL 271 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:55,800 ENDURE. 272 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,400 WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP OUR 273 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,400 PEOPLE. 274 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,433 AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S THIS 275 00:11:02,433 --> 00:11:05,500 IDEA OF GIVING UP TERRITORY AND 276 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:08,400 SOME KIND OF NEGOTIATION, OUR 277 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,533 PEOPLE ARE THERE. 278 00:11:09,533 --> 00:11:15,167 WE WILL NEVER BETRAY THEM. 279 00:11:15,167 --> 00:11:16,867 >> THAT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE IN THE 280 00:11:16,867 --> 00:11:20,233 VIEW OF YOUR GOVERNMENT? 281 00:11:20,233 --> 00:11:26,733 >> I REALLY DON'T WANT TO 282 00:11:26,733 --> 00:11:27,300 EXPRESS POLITICAL OPINIONS. 283 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:27,900 THAT'S NOT MY ROLE. 284 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:29,267 BUT IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE 285 00:11:29,267 --> 00:11:32,633 YOU'VE BEEN ATTACKED BY BANDITS, 286 00:11:32,633 --> 00:11:36,533 THEY'RE THREATENING YOU, KILLING 287 00:11:36,533 --> 00:11:38,167 YOUR CHILDREN, AND SOMEONE 288 00:11:38,167 --> 00:11:40,333 SUGGESTS MAYBE IT WOULD BE 289 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:42,433 BETTER TO NEGOTIATE? 290 00:11:42,433 --> 00:11:45,267 THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE NOW. 291 00:11:45,267 --> 00:11:47,067 THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. 292 00:11:47,067 --> 00:11:52,067 AS A CITIZEN OF UKRAINE. 293 00:11:52,067 --> 00:11:53,100 OLENA ZELENSKA DATED HER FUTURE 294 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:54,100 HUSBAND IN COLLEGE. 295 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:58,233 SHE BECAME A WRITER ON 296 00:11:58,233 --> 00:12:00,433 ZELENSKYY'S COMEDY SHOWS. 297 00:12:00,433 --> 00:12:03,600 IN A SITCOM CALLED "SERVANT OF 298 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,433 THE PEOPLE," HE PLAYED A TEACHER 299 00:12:05,433 --> 00:12:07,333 WHO WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF 300 00:12:07,333 --> 00:12:07,567 UKRAINE. 301 00:12:07,567 --> 00:12:10,267 HE TURNED PARODY INTO POWER IN 302 00:12:10,267 --> 00:12:14,067 2019 WHEN HE ACTUALLY RAN AND 303 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,767 WON 73% OF THE VOTE. 304 00:12:15,767 --> 00:12:17,867 THE ZELENSKYYS HAVE AN 305 00:12:17,867 --> 00:12:19,733 18-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND 306 00:12:19,733 --> 00:12:20,567 9-YEAR-OLD SON. 307 00:12:20,567 --> 00:12:26,067 >> ARE YOU STRONGER THAN YOU 308 00:12:26,067 --> 00:12:27,200 THOUGHT YOU WERE? 309 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,433 >> EVERYONE HAS BECOME STRONGER. 310 00:12:29,433 --> 00:12:33,167 I'M NOT UNIQUE. 311 00:12:33,167 --> 00:12:34,467 YOU SURVIVE AND GOING THROUGH 312 00:12:34,467 --> 00:12:37,333 TRIALS, YOU AUTOMATICALLY BECOME 313 00:12:37,333 --> 00:12:37,700 STRONGER. 314 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:39,933 SO, YES, WE'RE GETTING STRONGER 315 00:12:39,933 --> 00:12:41,933 BUT WILL THAT HELP US? 316 00:12:41,933 --> 00:12:44,200 I HOPE SO. 317 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,800 >> MADAME FIRST LADY, MAY I SHOW 318 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,400 YOU SOME PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE 319 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:49,733 UNITED STATES? 320 00:12:49,733 --> 00:12:52,267 THIS IS A PICTURE I TOOK ON 321 00:12:52,267 --> 00:12:52,900 FIFTH AVENUE IN NEW YORK. 322 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:55,833 >> WONDERFUL. 323 00:12:55,833 --> 00:13:01,200 >> THIS IS SAN FRANCISCO. 324 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,533 THIS IS A HOME IN THE STATE OF 325 00:13:06,533 --> 00:13:07,200 FLORIDA. 326 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:07,967 >> IT'S WONDERFUL. 327 00:13:07,967 --> 00:13:09,367 >> THIS IS A BUMPER STICKER 328 00:13:09,367 --> 00:13:15,200 WHERE I BUY MY GROCERIES. 329 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,600 I TOOK THIS PICTURE ON THE EAST 330 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,967 SIDE OF MANHATTAN. 331 00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:23,900 THIS IS A BASEBALL GAME IN 332 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,300 DENVER, COLORADO. 333 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:27,267 >> BALLOONS. 334 00:13:27,267 --> 00:13:35,067 >> AND THIS IS FROM FLORIDA AS 335 00:13:35,067 --> 00:13:35,233 WELL. 336 00:13:35,233 --> 00:13:38,200 WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE AMERICAN 337 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:38,667 PEOPLE? 338 00:13:38,667 --> 00:13:41,600 >> I CAN SAY I REALLY FEEL THE 339 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,167 SUPPORT. 340 00:13:42,167 --> 00:13:43,267 WHEN I WAS IN WASHINGTON, I WAS 341 00:13:43,267 --> 00:13:44,933 HANDED A SHORT LETTER WRITTEN BY 342 00:13:44,933 --> 00:13:46,400 A GUY NAMED HECTOR. 343 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,367 HE'S A TEENAGER, 14 YEARS OLD. 344 00:13:49,367 --> 00:13:51,533 HE WROTE ME A SHORT LETTER WITH 345 00:13:51,533 --> 00:13:53,900 WORDS OF SUPPORT. 346 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:55,733 BY THE WAY, IF POSSIBLE AND 347 00:13:55,733 --> 00:13:56,967 HECTOR SEES THIS PROGRAM, I 348 00:13:56,967 --> 00:14:01,100 WOULD LIKE TO TELL HIM. 349 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:03,800 DEAR HECTOR, I REMEMBER IT. 350 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,733 I TOOK YOUR LETTER WITH ME TO 351 00:14:07,733 --> 00:14:09,700 UKRAINE, AND IT WAS CHARMING AND 352 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:13,433 IT WAS EXTREMELY TOUCHING. 353 00:14:13,433 --> 00:14:15,300 >> SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NORMAL 354 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:17,933 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT EVIL IS 355 00:14:17,933 --> 00:14:21,700 AND THAT THE ATTACKER IS EVIL. 356 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:24,167 THAT IT IS NORMAL TO DEFEND YOUR 357 00:14:24,167 --> 00:14:26,333 COUNTRY, YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR 358 00:14:26,333 --> 00:14:26,533 HOMES. 359 00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:27,900 I'M SURE THAT AMERICANS 360 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:31,600 THEMSELVES ARE LIKE THAT. 361 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:39,067 >> WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD? 362 00:14:39,067 --> 00:14:40,067 >> WE ARE DREAMING ABOUT THIS. 363 00:14:40,067 --> 00:14:42,267 OVER THESE MONTHS WE'VE SEEN THE 364 00:14:42,267 --> 00:14:44,067 HUMAN BEING AS THE CENTER OF 365 00:14:44,067 --> 00:14:44,333 EVERYTHING. 366 00:14:44,333 --> 00:14:45,900 THIS IS WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT 367 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:47,067 FROM THE AGGRESSOR. 368 00:14:47,067 --> 00:14:49,200 THEY DON'T COUNT THEIR DEAD. 369 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,100 WE COUNT EVERY PERSON WHO DIED, 370 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,733 AND WE WANT EVERYONE STILL ALIVE 371 00:14:53,733 --> 00:14:56,567 TO FEEL CONFIDENT AND TO HAVE 372 00:14:56,567 --> 00:15:00,533 OPPORTUNITIES TO GROW. 373 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:03,400 THAT'S WHAT WE DREAM ABOUT. 374 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,700 THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO SEE OUR 375 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:12,467 COUNTRY IN THE 376 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,333 >>> THE CALIFORNIA GOLD RUSH 377 00:15:20,333 --> 00:15:23,100 TOWN OF GRIZZLY FLATS WAS 378 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:24,567 FOUNDED IN 1851. 379 00:15:24,567 --> 00:15:26,067 PEOPLE CAME FOR THE GOLD BUT 380 00:15:26,067 --> 00:15:27,467 STAYED FOR THE TREES. 381 00:15:27,467 --> 00:15:30,600 LUMBER FROM LUSH FORESTS 382 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,133 SUPPORTED SIERRA NEVADA 383 00:15:31,133 --> 00:15:32,367 FOOTHILLS TOWNS FOR DECADES. 384 00:15:32,367 --> 00:15:35,200 THEN ONE AUGUST NIGHT IN 2021, 385 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,767 THE CALDOR FIRE ROARED OUT OF 386 00:15:36,767 --> 00:15:38,533 THE ELDORADO NATIONAL FOREST AND 387 00:15:38,533 --> 00:15:40,533 IN LESS THAN 15 MINUTES, GRIZZLY 388 00:15:40,533 --> 00:15:42,733 FLATS WAS GONE. 389 00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:44,667 TODAY THE COMMUNITY'S ANGER IS 390 00:15:44,667 --> 00:15:45,533 STILL RAW. 391 00:15:45,533 --> 00:15:47,633 MANY RESIDENTS BLAME THE U.S. 392 00:15:47,633 --> 00:15:51,833 FOREST SERVICE FOR LETTING A FEW 393 00:15:51,833 --> 00:15:53,300 ACRE BLAZE MORPH INTO A 394 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:53,933 MONSTROUS WILDFIRE. 395 00:15:53,933 --> 00:15:56,467 IN OUR MONTHS LONG 396 00:15:56,467 --> 00:15:57,267 INVESTIGATION, WE FOUND EVIDENCE 397 00:15:57,267 --> 00:15:58,667 OF MISMANAGEMENT BIT FOREST 398 00:15:58,667 --> 00:16:02,067 SERVICE AND CRITICS WHO SAY ITS 399 00:16:02,067 --> 00:16:03,600 OUTDATED TACTICS AND OVERGROWN 400 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,900 LANDS HAVE LED TO MILLIONS OF 401 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:07,167 ACRES AND FOOTHILLS TOWNS 402 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:07,967 BURNING NEEDLESSLY. 403 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,600 WE WENT TO GRIZZLY FLATS TO SEE 404 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,600 FOR OURSELVES WHAT HAPPENED THAT 405 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,967 AUGUST NIGHT WHEN A WALL OF FIRE 406 00:16:14,967 --> 00:16:17,067 RIPPED THROUGH TOWN. 407 00:16:17,067 --> 00:16:18,967 >> I TOOK A COUPLE OF PICTURES 408 00:16:18,967 --> 00:16:20,567 OF MY HOUSE KNOWING THAT THAT 409 00:16:20,567 --> 00:16:22,067 WOULD BE THE LAST TIME I EVER 410 00:16:22,067 --> 00:16:22,300 SAW IT. 411 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:23,133 >> YOU KNEW THAT? 412 00:16:23,133 --> 00:16:25,067 >> YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN YOU GOT 413 00:16:25,067 --> 00:16:26,867 HOT EMBERS RAINING DOWN ON YOU 414 00:16:26,867 --> 00:16:28,367 AND YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES' 415 00:16:28,367 --> 00:16:29,733 HOUSES ARE EXPLODING AND YOU'RE 416 00:16:29,733 --> 00:16:31,733 LISTENING TO IT AND THERE AIN'T 417 00:16:31,733 --> 00:16:33,400 NOTHING BETWEEN HERE AND THEM TO 418 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,800 STOP YOU, YOU KNOW YOUR FATE. 419 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,900 >> CANDACE TYLER'S WORLD WENT UP 420 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:40,800 IN FLAMES ON AUGUST 17th WHEN 421 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,933 THE CALDOR FIRE TORE OUT OF THE 422 00:16:43,933 --> 00:16:45,167 ELDORADO NATIONAL FOREST AND 423 00:16:45,167 --> 00:16:47,600 BURNED THE FAMILY RANCH TO THE 424 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:47,900 GROUND. 425 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:49,067 SO WHERE WAS YOUR HOUSE? 426 00:16:49,067 --> 00:16:51,967 >> SO RIGHT HERE WOULD HAVE BEEN 427 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:52,667 OUR BEDROOM. 428 00:16:52,667 --> 00:16:54,300 AND THEN OVER HERE THIS WOULD 429 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:56,700 HAVE BEEN WALKING INTO OUR 430 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:57,533 DINING ROOM. 431 00:16:57,533 --> 00:17:01,333 >> THE TYLERS HAVE LIVED ON THIS 432 00:17:01,333 --> 00:17:02,733 HILLTOP FOR FIVE GENERATIONS. 433 00:17:02,733 --> 00:17:05,067 TODAY THEIR HOMESTEAD IS A 434 00:17:05,067 --> 00:17:07,500 CHARRED HELLSCAPE, BLACKENED 435 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:09,467 TREES STAND LIKE SENTINELS OVER 436 00:17:09,467 --> 00:17:10,800 A SHADOW WORLD. 437 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,500 FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, THE TYLERS 438 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:13,500 AND THEIR TWO CHILDREN HAVE 439 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:14,833 LIVED IN A TRAILER. 440 00:17:14,833 --> 00:17:17,133 MORE THAN 600 HOMES NEARLY ALL 441 00:17:17,133 --> 00:17:19,333 OF GRIZZLY FLATS WERE DESTROYED 442 00:17:19,333 --> 00:17:20,400 IN MINUTES. 443 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,233 THE CALDOR FIRE WOULD BURN FOR 444 00:17:23,233 --> 00:17:25,666 TWO MONTHS, SCORCHING MORE THAN 445 00:17:25,666 --> 00:17:27,867 200,000 ACRES. 446 00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:30,933 AND COSTING $271 MILLION TO 447 00:17:30,933 --> 00:17:31,233 EXTINGUISH. 448 00:17:31,233 --> 00:17:32,967 >> WHEN IT FIRST STARTED -- 449 00:17:32,967 --> 00:17:33,867 >> MM-HMM. 450 00:17:33,867 --> 00:17:36,567 >> DID YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT 451 00:17:36,567 --> 00:17:39,167 THE FOREST SERVICE WOULD HANDLE 452 00:17:39,167 --> 00:17:39,933 IT, WOULD PUT IT OUT? 453 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:41,267 >> ABSOLUTELY. 454 00:17:41,267 --> 00:17:42,567 100%. 455 00:17:42,567 --> 00:17:44,400 A 40 ACRE FIRE, YOU CAN'T PUT 456 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,667 THAT OUT IN THE CANYON. 457 00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:49,367 DON'T GET ME WRONG, I HAVE LIVED 458 00:17:49,367 --> 00:17:50,900 HERE MY WHOLE LIFE, THAT'S A 459 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:53,567 STEEP, TREACHEROUS CANYON BUT 460 00:17:53,567 --> 00:17:54,367 YOU'RE STILL TELLING ME YOU 461 00:17:54,367 --> 00:17:56,533 DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT 462 00:17:56,533 --> 00:17:57,233 THAT OUT. 463 00:17:57,233 --> 00:17:59,433 IN MY OPINION, THEY DIDN'T DO 464 00:17:59,433 --> 00:18:02,467 NOTHING TO PUT THAT FIRE OUT. 465 00:18:02,467 --> 00:18:04,067 >> CALDOR STARTED AS A PLUME OF 466 00:18:04,067 --> 00:18:05,333 SMOKE, IT WAS AUGUST 15th, 467 00:18:05,333 --> 00:18:06,067 7:00 P.M. 468 00:18:06,067 --> 00:18:07,833 THIS WAS FEDERAL LAND, SO THE 469 00:18:07,833 --> 00:18:10,100 U.S. FOREST SERVICE WAS IN 470 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:10,333 CHARGE. 471 00:18:10,333 --> 00:18:11,933 RESPONSIBLE FOR CALLING IN 472 00:18:11,933 --> 00:18:15,067 FIREFIGHTERS AND RESOURCES. 473 00:18:15,067 --> 00:18:16,067 WE DISCOVERED THE PROBLEMS 474 00:18:16,067 --> 00:18:18,067 STARTED RIGHT AWAY, MAPS WERE 475 00:18:18,067 --> 00:18:19,167 OUT OF DATE, FIREFIGHTERS HAD 476 00:18:19,167 --> 00:18:21,433 TROUBLE FINDING THE FIRE. 477 00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:22,433 AS SHE WAS LISTENING TO HER 478 00:18:22,433 --> 00:18:26,067 POLICE SCANNER, CANDACE TYLER 479 00:18:26,067 --> 00:18:27,567 TOLD US HER HEART SANK. 480 00:18:27,567 --> 00:18:29,567 >> THEY'RE SENDING THEM DOWN 481 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:30,800 CALDOR ROAD, IT'S BEEN WASHED 482 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:31,633 OUT FOR THREE YEARS. 483 00:18:31,633 --> 00:18:32,767 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET A 484 00:18:32,767 --> 00:18:33,600 TANKER DOWN THERE. 485 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,300 HAVE YOU SEEN THE WASHOUT, IT'S 486 00:18:35,300 --> 00:18:35,667 HUGE. 487 00:18:35,667 --> 00:18:37,233 IT WOULD TAKE A MONDAY OF 488 00:18:37,233 --> 00:18:38,233 SUNDAYS TO FILL THAT ROAD IN OR 489 00:18:38,233 --> 00:18:39,600 CUT A NEW ROAD. 490 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,467 >> WE WENT TO SEE WHAT TYLER WAS 491 00:18:41,467 --> 00:18:43,500 TALKING ABOUT, KEEPING NATIONAL 492 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:44,400 FORESTS HEALTHY INCLUDING 493 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,367 MAINTAINING ROADS IS A BIG PART 494 00:18:46,367 --> 00:18:50,133 OF THE FOREST SERVICE'S MANDATE. 495 00:18:50,133 --> 00:18:52,133 BUT WE FOUND MANY ROADS IN THE 496 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:54,400 ELDORADO FOREST WERE IMPASSABLE, 497 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,700 BLOCKED BY DOWNED TREES AND DEEP 498 00:18:58,700 --> 00:18:59,300 RUTS. 499 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:01,933 WHEN CALDOR STARTED FIRE ENGINES 500 00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:04,100 HAD A COSTLY TWO-HOUR DELAY. 501 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:05,200 >> I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS 502 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:05,467 HAPPENING. 503 00:19:05,467 --> 00:19:06,767 IT WAS LIKE WATCHING A SLOW 504 00:19:06,767 --> 00:19:08,133 MOTION DISASTER. 505 00:19:08,133 --> 00:19:09,300 >> GRANT INGRAM ALSO WAS 506 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,300 LISTENING TO HIS SCANNER, A 507 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:16,067 RETIRED FIRE CAPTAIN IT 35 508 00:19:16,067 --> 00:19:17,700 YEARS' EXPERIENCE, INGRAM FOUGHT 509 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:18,733 FIRES FOR THE U.S. FIRE SERVICE 510 00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:21,733 AND CAL FIRE, CALIFORNIA'S STATE 511 00:19:21,733 --> 00:19:22,567 AGENCY. 512 00:19:22,567 --> 00:19:23,233 INGRAM INVESTIGATED THE INITIAL 513 00:19:23,233 --> 00:19:24,967 SPREAD OF THE FIRE FOR THE LOCAL 514 00:19:24,967 --> 00:19:25,800 FIRE DISTRICT. 515 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,067 HE BELIEVES THE U.S. FOREST 516 00:19:28,067 --> 00:19:29,067 SERVICE MANAGEMENT TEAM BEARS 517 00:19:29,067 --> 00:19:30,700 MUCH OF THE BLAME. 518 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,500 >> THE LEADERSHIP FAILED TO GIVE 519 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:35,067 THE TEAM ON THE GROUND WHAT THEY 520 00:19:35,067 --> 00:19:36,933 NEEDED TO DO TO PUT THAT FIRE 521 00:19:36,933 --> 00:19:38,533 OUT IN A TIMELY MANNER. 522 00:19:38,533 --> 00:19:40,500 >> YOU FLAT OUT SAY IT WAS A 523 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:41,600 FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP. 524 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,133 >> ABSOLUTELY. 525 00:19:42,133 --> 00:19:44,167 THEY FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE 526 00:19:44,167 --> 00:19:46,367 THE FIRE WAS GOING TO GO. 527 00:19:46,367 --> 00:19:47,800 THEN THEY FAILED TO BRING IN 528 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,367 ENOUGH EQUIPMENT AND RESOURCES 529 00:19:49,367 --> 00:19:51,067 TO MITIGATE THAT FIRE. 530 00:19:51,067 --> 00:19:53,067 AND THEN THEY FAILED TO PROTECT 531 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:54,533 THE COMMUNITY OF GRIZZLY FLATS 532 00:19:54,533 --> 00:19:55,533 WHEN THEY KNEW IT WAS HEADED 533 00:19:55,533 --> 00:19:56,367 THAT WAY. 534 00:19:56,367 --> 00:19:59,067 >> INGRAM TOLD US ONE OF THE 535 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:00,033 MOST CONSEQUENTIAL DECISIONS 536 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,667 CAME IN THE EARLY HOURS OF 537 00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:04,333 AUGUST 15th WHEN THE FIRE WAS 538 00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:05,233 STILL SMALL. 539 00:20:05,233 --> 00:20:07,767 AT 1:43 A.M., JUST HOURS INTO 540 00:20:07,767 --> 00:20:10,267 THE FIRE, THE FOREST SERVICE 541 00:20:10,267 --> 00:20:14,800 SHUT DOWN OPERATIONS FOR THE 542 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,000 NIGHT. 543 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,433 WE'LL BE PULLING EVERYONE OFF 544 00:20:16,433 --> 00:20:18,900 THE LINE FOR ACCOUNTABILITY 545 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:20,633 READS THE DISPATCH LOG, A MINUTE 546 00:20:20,633 --> 00:20:21,767 BY MINUTE ACCOUNT OF THE FIRE 547 00:20:21,767 --> 00:20:23,133 THAT WE OBTAINED THROUGH THE 548 00:20:23,133 --> 00:20:24,700 FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. 549 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,600 THE FOREST AS MUCH AS TOLD US 550 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,000 CONDITIONS WERE UNSAFE AND IT 551 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:28,833 WANTED TO REASSESS. 552 00:20:28,833 --> 00:20:32,000 >> WHEN I WORKED FOR OTHER 553 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,800 AGENCIES, WE TYPICALLY FOUGHT 554 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,833 FIRES AT NIGHT, THAT WAS THE 555 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:35,033 BEST TIME TO DO IT. 556 00:20:35,033 --> 00:20:37,200 YET THIS FOREST SERVICE INCIDENT 557 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,067 COMMANDER WAS ORDERING PEOPLE TO 558 00:20:39,067 --> 00:20:39,833 STOP? 559 00:20:39,833 --> 00:20:40,533 >> YES. 560 00:20:40,533 --> 00:20:43,500 >> TURN BACK, GO HOME. 561 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:44,500 >> RIGHT. 562 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:46,100 I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT AT FIRST. 563 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,067 FIRE FIGHTING IS DANGEROUS, BUT 564 00:20:48,067 --> 00:20:50,600 YOU DON'T CALL 911 WHEN YOU'RE A 565 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:50,900 FIREFIGHTER. 566 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:51,100 RIGHT? 567 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:52,667 YOU ARE THERE AS 911. 568 00:20:52,667 --> 00:20:55,233 >> THE ORDER TO PULL OUT DIDN'T 569 00:20:55,233 --> 00:20:57,600 SIT WELL WITH STATE AND LOCAL 570 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,200 FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAD RACED IN TO 571 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,567 HELP THE FOREST SERVICE. 572 00:21:00,567 --> 00:21:02,233 A NUMBER OF THEM TOLD US THAT 573 00:21:02,233 --> 00:21:03,767 NIGHT WAS THEIR BEST CHANCE TO 574 00:21:03,767 --> 00:21:05,333 CONTAIN THE FIRE. 575 00:21:05,333 --> 00:21:08,800 THEY ALSO TOLD US THEY'RE 576 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,300 TRAINED TO FIGHT WILDFIRES 24/7, 577 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:14,767 UNTIL THE TIRFIRE WAS OUT P NONE 578 00:21:14,767 --> 00:21:17,600 WOULD GO ON CAMERA FOR FEAR OF 579 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,433 LOSING THEIR JOBS, SO WE AGREED 580 00:21:19,433 --> 00:21:21,067 TO CONCEAL THIS FIREFIGHTER'S 581 00:21:21,067 --> 00:21:21,300 IDENTITY. 582 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:23,133 >> WHEN YOU HEARD THE INCIDENT 583 00:21:23,133 --> 00:21:25,067 COMMANDER SAY HE WAS PULLING OUT 584 00:21:25,067 --> 00:21:26,700 AND OTHER EQUIPMENT, FIRE 585 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,733 ENGINES AND BULLDOZERS LEFT WITH 586 00:21:28,733 --> 00:21:28,933 HIM. 587 00:21:28,933 --> 00:21:29,333 >> YEP. 588 00:21:29,333 --> 00:21:31,067 >> WHAT DID YOU THINK? 589 00:21:31,067 --> 00:21:32,167 >> WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON 590 00:21:32,167 --> 00:21:32,367 HERE? 591 00:21:32,367 --> 00:21:34,433 I MEAN, LIKE, WHAT THE HELL. 592 00:21:34,433 --> 00:21:37,667 WE HAVE A FIRE. 593 00:21:37,667 --> 00:21:39,067 YOU HAVE TO SUPPRESS THE FIRE. 594 00:21:39,067 --> 00:21:40,067 IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE. 595 00:21:40,067 --> 00:21:41,433 >> DID YOU KNOW THAT 596 00:21:41,433 --> 00:21:42,600 THIRD-DEGREE THE POTENTIAL TO -- 597 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:42,967 >> ABSOLUTELY. 598 00:21:42,967 --> 00:21:45,400 >> TURN INTO THIS? 599 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,567 >> ABSOLUTELY. 600 00:21:46,567 --> 00:21:46,900 KR 601 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:48,767 YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY ON THAT 602 00:21:48,767 --> 00:21:51,167 HILL THAT NIGHT FIGURED IF WE 603 00:21:51,167 --> 00:21:52,867 DIDN'T GET AHEAD OF THIS THING 604 00:21:52,867 --> 00:21:54,233 THAT NIGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE 605 00:21:54,233 --> 00:21:54,533 IN TROUBLE. 606 00:21:54,533 --> 00:21:55,533 >> THE FIRE SERVICE KNEW IT TOO. 607 00:21:55,533 --> 00:21:57,300 THIS IS THEIR FIRE MODEL FOR 608 00:21:57,300 --> 00:21:58,800 AUGUST 15th, OBTAINED THROUGH 609 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,100 THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. 610 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:02,200 THE AREA ALMOST CERTAIN TO BURN 611 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,900 IF NOTHING WAS DONE IS MARKED IN 612 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:05,133 RED. 613 00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:08,433 IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BULLS EYE, 614 00:22:08,433 --> 00:22:09,567 600 HOMES IN GRIZZLY FLATS. 615 00:22:09,567 --> 00:22:13,067 CREDIT THAT SAME DAY, THE FOREST 616 00:22:13,067 --> 00:22:13,900 SERVICE DISMISSED SOME HALF 617 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:15,767 DOZEN CAL FIRE ENGINES AND 618 00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:17,600 CREWS, LETTING MOST OF THEM GO 619 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,067 BEFORE THEIR REPLACEMENTS 620 00:22:19,067 --> 00:22:19,667 ARRIVED. 621 00:22:19,667 --> 00:22:22,900 INGRAM TOLD US THAT BREAKS EVERY 622 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:25,900 RULE OF FIRE FIGHTING. 623 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:27,433 >> THE DECISION TO RELEASE THE 624 00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,433 CAL FIRE FIREFIGHTERS EARLY, 625 00:22:30,433 --> 00:22:31,733 EVEN AS THIS FIRE IS GROWING, 626 00:22:31,733 --> 00:22:34,867 THAT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENTS 627 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,067 SENSE TO YOU? 628 00:22:36,067 --> 00:22:37,533 >> IT MADE NO SENSE TO ME, AND 629 00:22:37,533 --> 00:22:38,600 IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. 630 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,500 >> RETIRED FIRE CAPTAIN GRANT 631 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:42,800 I 632 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,533 INGRAM NOW OWNS A FIRE MAPPING 633 00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:44,800 BUSINESS. 634 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,400 HE SHOWED US WHY HE WAS ALARMED. 635 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,067 >> THIS IS WHERE IT STARTED AND 636 00:22:51,067 --> 00:22:52,533 IT WENT ALL THE WAY UP HERE TO 637 00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:53,067 GRIZZLY FLAT. 638 00:22:53,067 --> 00:22:54,300 >> ON THE SECOND DAY, AUGUST 639 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:57,167 15th, THE FIRE ENGULFED 200 640 00:22:57,167 --> 00:22:57,367 ACRES. 641 00:22:57,367 --> 00:22:59,500 ON AUGUST 16th, 700 ACRES. 642 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:01,733 THAT NIGHT, THE WINDS IN THE 643 00:23:01,733 --> 00:23:04,067 CANYON WHIPPED THE FLAMES INTO A 644 00:23:04,067 --> 00:23:07,900 FRENZY, CONSUMING 11,000 ACRES. 645 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:08,400 . 646 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,467 FLAMES JUMPED FROM TREE TOP TO 647 00:23:10,467 --> 00:23:12,067 TREETOP, PICKING UP SPEED. 648 00:23:12,067 --> 00:23:15,167 THE ELDORADO FOREST WAS SO DENSE 649 00:23:15,167 --> 00:23:16,300 WITH DEAD TREES AND PARCHED 650 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:19,700 UNDER BRUSH, IT WAS LIKE A PYRE 651 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,300 JUST WAITING FOR A MATCH. 652 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:22,867 >> NOW EVERYTHING'S ON FIRE. 653 00:23:22,867 --> 00:23:25,067 IT'S ALL RAINING DOWN ON THIS 654 00:23:25,067 --> 00:23:26,700 COMMUNITY. 655 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:27,333 THEY'RE SITTING IN FRONT OF A 656 00:23:27,333 --> 00:23:28,067 BLOW TORCH AND THEY CAN'T GET 657 00:23:28,067 --> 00:23:30,267 OUCH THE WAY. 658 00:23:30,267 --> 00:23:31,800 >> WE SAW THE GLOW COMING UP. 659 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,400 >> FROM 1/2 A MILE AWAY, RETIRED 660 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,400 DEPUTY FIRE CHEIEF LLOYD OGAN 661 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:41,933 COULD SEE THAT BLOW TORCH, SMELL 662 00:23:41,933 --> 00:23:42,267 IT FEEL IT. 663 00:23:42,267 --> 00:23:42,900 >> YOU COULD FEEL THIS WHOLE 664 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:44,433 DECK WAS RUMBLING. 665 00:23:44,433 --> 00:23:55,233 >> FROM A FIRE THAT WAS FROM A 666 00:23:55,233 --> 00:23:55,833 RIDGE OVER AND THAT NOISE WAS 667 00:23:55,833 --> 00:23:56,467 LITERALLY LIKE A FREIGHT TRAIN 668 00:23:56,467 --> 00:23:56,700 COMING. 669 00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:57,533 >> WE MET OGAN AT LEONI MEADOWS, 670 00:23:57,533 --> 00:24:03,667 A CAMP SITE, HE TOLD US FLAMES 671 00:24:03,667 --> 00:24:04,300 WERE 30 FEET ABOVE THE TREETOPS 672 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:04,833 THAT NIGHT, HISSING AND 673 00:24:04,833 --> 00:24:05,100 CRACKLING. 674 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:06,433 OGAN SAID HE KNEW THEN THE 675 00:24:06,433 --> 00:24:07,700 CALDOR FIRE WAS OUT OF CONTROL. 676 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:09,667 >> THE THING I STRUGGLE WITH IS 677 00:24:09,667 --> 00:24:12,233 WHY WOULD ANY RESOURCES GET 678 00:24:12,233 --> 00:24:15,933 RELEASED ON A FIRE THAT IS IN A 679 00:24:15,933 --> 00:24:17,700 OBVIOUSLY HIGH RISK LOCATION IN 680 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:19,233 A HIGH RISK ENVIRONMENT. 681 00:24:19,233 --> 00:24:20,467 I HAVE NOT HEARD WHAT I WOULD 682 00:24:20,467 --> 00:24:22,300 TERM AS AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER TO 683 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:23,567 THAT QUESTION YET. 684 00:24:23,567 --> 00:24:24,800 I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ANSWER TO 685 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,133 THAT QUESTION YET. 686 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:28,567 >> THE FOREST SERVICE SAYS ITS 687 00:24:28,567 --> 00:24:30,267 RESOURCES WERE STRETCHED THIN. 688 00:24:30,267 --> 00:24:31,500 THE DIXIE FIRE WHICH WOULD 689 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,067 BECOME THE SECOND LARGEST IN 690 00:24:33,067 --> 00:24:36,867 CALIFORNIA HISTORY WAS BURNING 691 00:24:36,867 --> 00:24:37,233 SAVAGELY NEARBY. 692 00:24:37,233 --> 00:24:38,867 BUT RETIRED FIRE CAPTAIN GRANT 693 00:24:38,867 --> 00:24:41,733 INGRAM TOLD US THERE WERE 694 00:24:41,733 --> 00:24:43,067 REGIONAL CREWS AVAILABLE, AND HE 695 00:24:43,067 --> 00:24:44,867 POINTED TO THE DISPATCH LOG THAT 696 00:24:44,867 --> 00:24:47,567 SHOWED 12 EXTRA FIRE ENGINES 697 00:24:47,567 --> 00:24:49,433 BEING CALLED UP AS THE FLAMES 698 00:24:49,433 --> 00:24:51,933 WERE TEARING INTO GRIZZLY FLATS. 699 00:24:51,933 --> 00:24:54,567 BUT IT WAS TOO LATE. 700 00:24:54,567 --> 00:24:56,367 >> ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL THESE 701 00:24:56,367 --> 00:24:57,067 FIRE ENGINES START SHOWING UP, 702 00:24:57,067 --> 00:24:58,467 AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHERE WERE 703 00:24:58,467 --> 00:25:01,067 THEY TWO DAYS AGO. 704 00:25:01,067 --> 00:25:01,500 WHY WEREN'T THEY IN THE 705 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,400 NEIGHBORHOOD OF GRIZZLY FLATS 706 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,067 PRIOR TO THIS FIRE EVEN GETTING 707 00:25:05,067 --> 00:25:05,400 THERE? 708 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,633 >> WHY WEREN'T THEY? 709 00:25:06,633 --> 00:25:07,400 >> I DON'T KNOW. 710 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,733 THE FOREST SERVICE WON'T ANSWER 711 00:25:08,733 --> 00:25:09,133 OUR QUESTIONS. 712 00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:11,800 >> IN ALL THE RECORDS OF CALDOR, 713 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,067 LEONI MEADOWS STANDS OUT, AN 714 00:25:15,067 --> 00:25:18,600 ISLAND OF GREEN IN A DESOLATE 715 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:18,900 WAIST LAND. 716 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:20,500 THE FIRE SKIRTED THE CAMP THANKS 717 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:23,067 TO A MASSIVE FUEL BREAK OR 718 00:25:23,067 --> 00:25:26,833 BUFFER ZONE, THE CAMP HAD CUT. 719 00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:29,733 RETIRED DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF LLOYD 720 00:25:29,733 --> 00:25:32,967 OGAN SHOWED WHERE THEY HAD 721 00:25:32,967 --> 00:25:33,567 THEREIN 722 00:25:33,567 --> 00:25:34,467 THINNED THE TREES AND CLEARED 723 00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:35,500 THE URN BUSH. 724 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,767 WHEN CALDOR HIT, THERE WAS LILT 725 00:25:37,767 --> 00:25:39,233 LEFT TO FEED THEM. 726 00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:42,367 THEM OGAN SHOWED US THE U.S. 727 00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:43,200 FOREST SERVICE LAND NEXT TO THE 728 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,867 CAMP THAT HAD NOT BEEN CLEARED. 729 00:25:45,867 --> 00:25:46,633 THERE, EVERYTHING BURNED. 730 00:25:46,633 --> 00:25:47,700 >> THERE WAS NO MANAGEMENT ON 731 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,067 THE FOREST SERVICE SIDE, AND 732 00:25:49,067 --> 00:25:50,167 THAT'S THE RESULT. 733 00:25:50,167 --> 00:25:53,767 >> IT'S KIND OF MIND BLOWING TO 734 00:25:53,767 --> 00:25:54,500 SEE ALL THAT DEVASTATION THERE 735 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,867 AND IT GETS TO THE PROPERTY LINE 736 00:25:57,867 --> 00:26:00,233 OF THE CAMP WHERE THE LAND WAS 737 00:26:00,233 --> 00:26:01,933 MANAGED AND THIS ALL SURVIVED. 738 00:26:01,933 --> 00:26:02,767 IT'S ALL GREEN? 739 00:26:02,767 --> 00:26:04,067 >> YEP. 740 00:26:04,067 --> 00:26:05,367 >> COULD THIS HAVE BEEN 741 00:26:05,367 --> 00:26:09,500 REPLICATED AROUND GRIZZLY FLATS? 742 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:09,933 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. 743 00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:10,833 THAT'S WHAT THE TRESTLE PROJECT 744 00:26:10,833 --> 00:26:12,533 WAS ALL ABOUT, WAS TO DO EXACTLY 745 00:26:12,533 --> 00:26:15,633 THIS, AND HAD THAT BEEN DONE, 746 00:26:15,633 --> 00:26:16,900 THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY 747 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:18,433 GRIZZLY FLATS WOULDN'T HAVE 748 00:26:18,433 --> 00:26:18,667 BURNED. 749 00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:19,667 >> WOULD NOT HAVE BURNED. 750 00:26:19,667 --> 00:26:21,333 >> YEP. 751 00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:24,500 >> THE TRESTLE PROJECT WAS 752 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:25,900 LAUNCHED BY THE FOREST SERVICE 753 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,800 NINE YEARS AGO WHEN ITS OWN 754 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,067 RESEARCH WARNED GRIZZLY FLATS 755 00:26:30,067 --> 00:26:31,667 COULD BE INCINERATED IF WILDFIRE 756 00:26:31,667 --> 00:26:34,533 IGNITED THE OVERGROWN ELDORADO 757 00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:34,767 FOREST. 758 00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,867 THE AGENCY PROMISED TO CLEAN UP 759 00:26:36,867 --> 00:26:39,933 THOUSANDS OF ACRES STARTING WITH 760 00:26:39,933 --> 00:26:42,167 970 ACRES ON THE TOWN'S 761 00:26:42,167 --> 00:26:43,067 SOUTHEAST FLANK WHERE THE FIRE 762 00:26:43,067 --> 00:26:45,733 WOULD LIKELY HIT FIRST. 763 00:26:45,733 --> 00:26:47,433 ALMOST A DECADE LATER, ONLY A 764 00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:50,333 FRACTION OF THE WORK WAS DONE, 765 00:26:50,333 --> 00:26:52,267 AND THE CALDOR FIRE WIPED OUT 766 00:26:52,267 --> 00:26:53,733 GRIZZLY FLATS EXACTLY AS THE 767 00:26:53,733 --> 00:26:57,167 FOREST SERVICE HAD PREDICTED. 768 00:26:57,167 --> 00:26:59,067 >> WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS? 769 00:26:59,067 --> 00:27:00,167 IT WAS PART OF THEIR PROJECT. 770 00:27:00,167 --> 00:27:01,267 >> THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR 771 00:27:01,267 --> 00:27:03,333 QUESTION, I THINK, IS WHY WASN'T 772 00:27:03,333 --> 00:27:03,633 IT DONE. 773 00:27:03,633 --> 00:27:05,067 >> RESIDENTS AREN'T THE ONLY 774 00:27:05,067 --> 00:27:06,267 ONES WHO HAVE TRIED TO GET 775 00:27:06,267 --> 00:27:07,700 ANSWERS FROM THE FOREST SERVICE. 776 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:10,733 WE ASKED REPEATEDLY FOR 777 00:27:10,733 --> 00:27:12,267 DOCUMENTS, A COMMENT TO HAVE THE 778 00:27:12,267 --> 00:27:14,400 TAXPAYER FUNDED SERVICE TELL US 779 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,900 WHAT HAPPENED HERE. 780 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,067 LAST WEEK, THE FOREST SERVICE 781 00:27:17,067 --> 00:27:19,467 E-MAILED US THAT IT PLANS TO 782 00:27:19,467 --> 00:27:22,400 DRAMATICALLY INCREASE THE SCALE 783 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,333 OF FOREST HEALTH PROJECTS LIKE 784 00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:24,733 THE TRESTLE PROJECT AND HAS 785 00:27:24,733 --> 00:27:26,567 LAUNCHED A TEN-YEAR PLAN 786 00:27:26,567 --> 00:27:28,633 STARTING WITH COMMUNITIES AT 787 00:27:28,633 --> 00:27:29,933 IMMEDIATE RISK. 788 00:27:29,933 --> 00:27:31,700 BUT THAT'S NO SOLACE FOR THE 789 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,567 RESIDENTS OF GRIZZLY FLATS WHO 790 00:27:34,567 --> 00:27:35,733 TOLD US ANY TRUST THEY HAD IN 791 00:27:35,733 --> 00:27:38,333 THE FOREST SERVICE HAS BEEN 792 00:27:38,333 --> 00:27:38,600 SHATTERED. 793 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,667 LAST YEARS AGO CALDOR WAS ONE OF 794 00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:42,333 THREE DEVASTATING FIRES IN THE 795 00:27:42,333 --> 00:27:44,333 REGION THAT STARTED ON FEDERAL 796 00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:46,767 LAND AND BURNED MORE THAN A 797 00:27:46,767 --> 00:27:48,267 MILLION ACRES. 798 00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:50,567 CANDACE TYLER FEARS UNLESS THE 799 00:27:50,567 --> 00:27:52,267 FOREST SERVICE FOLLOWS THROUGH 800 00:27:52,267 --> 00:27:54,067 ON THEIR PROMISES, MORE TOWNS 801 00:27:54,067 --> 00:27:58,300 LIKE GRIZZLY FLATS WILL GO UP IN 802 00:27:58,300 --> 00:27:58,633 FLAMES. 803 00:27:58,633 --> 00:28:00,100 THE FOREST SERVICE HAS SAID THEY 804 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:00,967 DID ALL THEY COULD. 805 00:28:00,967 --> 00:28:02,700 THEY THREW ALL THE RESOURCES 806 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:04,600 THEY HAD AT THE FIRE. 807 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,800 YOU LAUGH. 808 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,833 >> I LAUGH. 809 00:28:07,833 --> 00:28:09,067 ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 810 00:28:09,067 --> 00:28:11,133 YOUR MAPS SAY WE'RE GOING TO 811 00:28:11,133 --> 00:28:11,333 BURN. 812 00:28:11,333 --> 00:28:14,500 YOUR MODELS SHOW WE'RE GOING TO 813 00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:14,700 BURN. 814 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,233 BUT YUROU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT. 815 00:28:17,233 --> 00:28:20,967 OH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE 816 00:28:20,967 --> 00:28:21,300 RESOURCES. 817 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:32,400 THAT'S A 818 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,567 >>> YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO 819 00:28:33,567 --> 00:28:35,133 FIND A SPORT WHERE THE CAPTAIN 820 00:28:35,133 --> 00:28:38,100 MATTERS MORE THAN A DOZEN RUGBY, 821 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,600 IN THESE FIERCE PITCHED MATCHES, 822 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,467 LEADERSHIP IS AS CRITICL AS RAW 823 00:28:42,467 --> 00:28:42,700 TALENT. 824 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:44,633 WHAT, AFTER ALL WAS A SCRUM, BUT 825 00:28:44,633 --> 00:28:47,633 A LITERAL EXERCISE IN TEAM 826 00:28:47,633 --> 00:28:47,933 BONDING. 827 00:28:47,933 --> 00:28:49,067 CAPTAINCY IS MORE IMPORTANT 828 00:28:49,067 --> 00:28:52,167 STILL WHEN YOUR RUGBY TEAM 829 00:28:52,167 --> 00:28:53,700 REPRESENTS AN ENTIRE COUNTRY, SO 830 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:58,967 WHEN SIYA CKOLISI WAS NAMED 831 00:28:58,967 --> 00:29:00,333 CAPTAIN OF THE SOUTH AFRICA 832 00:29:00,333 --> 00:29:02,067 TEAM, IT MAY AS WELL HAVE MARKED 833 00:29:02,067 --> 00:29:02,733 A POLITICAL POINT. 834 00:29:02,733 --> 00:29:04,767 AND KOLISI HAS RESPONDED WITH A 835 00:29:04,767 --> 00:29:06,933 SINGULAR APPROACH, RECONSIDERING 836 00:29:06,933 --> 00:29:09,267 A MACHO SPOT AND RECOGNIZING HOW 837 00:29:09,267 --> 00:29:13,567 VALUABLE RUGBY CAN BE HELPING 838 00:29:13,567 --> 00:29:18,667 BIND A COUNTRY STILL WITH CRIME, 839 00:29:18,667 --> 00:29:20,100 CORRUPTION AND INEQUALITY. 840 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,200 YOU MIGHT THINK AS RUGBY PLAYERS 841 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,633 AS HUMAN BUMPER CARS, RUNNING 842 00:29:24,633 --> 00:29:27,400 FORWARD, PASSING BACKWARD AND 843 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,500 OBLITERATING EVERYTHING IN THE 844 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:29,167 WAY. 845 00:29:29,167 --> 00:29:31,267 THIS SPORT COMBINES THE 846 00:29:31,267 --> 00:29:34,300 COLLISIONS OF FOOTBALL MINUS 847 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:35,567 PATHS WITH THE FLUID CONTINUITY 848 00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:37,433 OF BASKETBALL OR HOCKEY. 849 00:29:37,433 --> 00:29:40,433 IT IS AS THE SAYING GOES, THE 850 00:29:40,433 --> 00:29:43,367 GAME FOR HOOLIGANS PLAYED BY 851 00:29:43,367 --> 00:29:43,633 GENTLEMEN. 852 00:29:43,633 --> 00:29:45,200 >> ALWAYS CALL IT CONTROLLED 853 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,467 VIOLENCE. 854 00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:46,067 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS HERE. 855 00:29:46,067 --> 00:29:48,100 >> CONTROLLED VIOLENCE, THAT'S 856 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:48,333 RUGBY. 857 00:29:48,333 --> 00:29:49,133 >> IT'S LEGAL VIOLENCE. 858 00:29:49,133 --> 00:29:51,467 IT'S LEGAL SO WE SMASH EACH 859 00:29:51,467 --> 00:29:53,100 OTER ON THE FIELD, AND THEN 860 00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,333 IT'S DONE AFTER THAT. 861 00:29:54,333 --> 00:29:58,200 * 862 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,100 >> SIYA KOLISI IS THE FIRST 863 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,300 BLACK PLAYER TO BE NAMED CAPTAIN 864 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,533 OF SOUTH AFRICA'S NATIONAL TEAM, 865 00:30:04,533 --> 00:30:07,633 THE SPRINGBOKS, AN INTERNATIONAL 866 00:30:07,633 --> 00:30:09,167 RUGBY POWER HOUSE AND NATIONAL 867 00:30:09,167 --> 00:30:10,400 INSTITUTION ASSOCIATED FOR MORE 868 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,333 THAN A CENTURY WITH WHITE 869 00:30:15,333 --> 00:30:17,633 AFRICANER RULE AND POWER. 870 00:30:17,633 --> 00:30:20,100 KOLISI IS KEENLY AWARE OF THE 871 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:21,900 CHALLENGES OF TRANSFORMING THE 872 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:22,300 TEAM. 873 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:23,600 >> WE ARE HUMAN BEING BEFORE WE 874 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,867 ARE SPORTSMEN, YOU KNOW, AND THE 875 00:30:24,867 --> 00:30:26,933 MORE WE TALK TO ONE ANOTHER, THE 876 00:30:26,933 --> 00:30:27,933 MORE WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, 877 00:30:27,933 --> 00:30:29,400 THE MORE WE GET TO KNOW EACH 878 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,500 OTHER, AND THE MORE WE TRUST 879 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,833 EACH OTHER AND OPEN UP TO EACH 880 00:30:32,833 --> 00:30:34,367 OTHER, THE MORE YOU GET THAT 881 00:30:34,367 --> 00:30:36,700 DEEPER SENSE OF CONNECTION TO 882 00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:37,400 YOUR TEAMMATE. 883 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,033 >> YOU'RE SAYING IF I KNOW YOUR 884 00:30:41,033 --> 00:30:41,633 MOTIVATIONS, IF I KNOW YOUR 885 00:30:41,633 --> 00:30:43,000 STORY WHEN WE'RE COVERED IN MUD 886 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,367 AND WE'RE AT THE END OF A GAME. 887 00:30:45,367 --> 00:30:47,567 >> YOU THINK OF THAT BECAUSE I 888 00:30:47,567 --> 00:30:48,433 DON'T WANT TO LET YOU DOWN, YOU 889 00:30:48,433 --> 00:30:49,733 KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING 890 00:30:49,733 --> 00:30:50,967 THERE, AND I'M TIRED, I DON'T 891 00:30:50,967 --> 00:30:53,733 GIVE UP BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU 892 00:30:53,733 --> 00:30:56,267 WON'T DROP ME, YOU KNOW, AND YOU 893 00:30:56,267 --> 00:30:57,467 KNOW WHAT I'M FIGHTING FOR TOO. 894 00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:59,300 >> WE WANTED TO SEE THIS ALL FOR 895 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:00,733 OURSELVES BUT WITH KOLISI 896 00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:06,967 PREOCCUPIED WITH PLAYING, 897 00:31:06,967 --> 00:31:08,067 RELWE 898 00:31:08,067 --> 00:31:09,233 LEANED ON HIS FRIEND AND 899 00:31:09,233 --> 00:31:15,267 RECENTLY RETIRED SPRINGBOK TEAM 900 00:31:15,267 --> 00:31:17,400 MEAT, TENDAI MTAWARIRA, HE WAS 901 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,967 OUR RUGBY GUIDE AS SOUTH AFRICA 902 00:31:19,967 --> 00:31:22,467 PLAYED WALES. 903 00:31:22,467 --> 00:31:23,600 >> THEY HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN YOU, 904 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,667 I'LL TELL YOU THAT. 905 00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:26,733 >> THEY HAVEN'T. 906 00:31:26,733 --> 00:31:28,067 >> LESSON ONE, MAKING YOUR WAY 907 00:31:28,067 --> 00:31:32,900 TO YOUR SEAT WITH A RUG BY 908 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:33,733 LEGEND YIELDS ITS OWN VERSION OF 909 00:31:33,733 --> 00:31:35,267 A SCRUM. 910 00:31:35,267 --> 00:31:36,800 LESSON TWO, RUGBY DEMANDS A 911 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,433 COMBINATION OF SPEED, POWER, 912 00:31:39,433 --> 00:31:41,133 DURABILITY AND POISE, AND OF 913 00:31:41,133 --> 00:31:45,167 COURSE BONE RATTLING HITS. 914 00:31:45,167 --> 00:31:49,400 >> LOOK HOW HARD HE'S COMING AT 915 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:49,600 PACE. 916 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,133 >> HE'S GOING TO BE SORE 917 00:31:51,133 --> 00:31:51,933 TOMORROW, THAT'S FOR SURE. 918 00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:53,367 >> GOING TO FEEL THAT IN THE 919 00:31:53,367 --> 00:31:53,733 MORNING. 920 00:31:53,733 --> 00:31:55,400 >> EXACTLY. 921 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,833 >> ANOTHER SCRUM? 922 00:31:56,833 --> 00:31:57,933 MAN, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT 923 00:31:57,933 --> 00:32:01,133 GOES ON IN THE BOTTOM OF A PILE 924 00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:01,500 THERE. 925 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,067 >> IT'S A DARK PLACE. 926 00:32:03,067 --> 00:32:05,900 >> CAPTAIN KOLISI FEATURED 927 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:06,200 PROMINENTLY. 928 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,667 >> AND NOW KOLISI. 929 00:32:09,667 --> 00:32:12,167 >> MAKING RUNS, DRIVING FORWARD. 930 00:32:12,167 --> 00:32:15,233 >> THAT WAS A GOOD POSITION. 931 00:32:15,233 --> 00:32:16,867 >> IN THE SECOND HALF OF THAT 932 00:32:16,867 --> 00:32:20,767 GAME, KOLISI SCORED A TRY. 933 00:32:20,767 --> 00:32:22,667 RUGBY'S EQUIVALENT OF A 934 00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:22,933 TOUCHDOWN. 935 00:32:22,933 --> 00:32:25,467 A BLACK CAPTAIN SCORING IN A 936 00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:27,500 STADIUM FILLED WITH SOUTH 937 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,067 AFRICANS OF ALL COLORS. 938 00:32:29,067 --> 00:32:30,067 HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. 939 00:32:30,067 --> 00:32:33,100 >> YOU GREW UP DURING APARTHEID, 940 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:41,533 WHAT ROLE DID RUGBY PLAY IN 941 00:32:41,533 --> 00:32:41,967 AFRIKENER SOCIETY. 942 00:32:41,967 --> 00:32:42,767 >> IT WAS OUR HOLY GRAIL. 943 00:32:42,767 --> 00:32:45,067 >> WHEN FRANCOIS PIENAAR PLAYED, 944 00:32:45,067 --> 00:32:47,200 BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS OFTEN 945 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,433 CHEERED THE OPPOSING TEAM, WHEN 946 00:32:49,433 --> 00:32:51,833 NELSON MANDELA BECAME PRESIDENT 947 00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:53,500 IN 1994, IN AN EFFORT TO UNITE 948 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,633 THE COUNTRY, HE THREW HIS 949 00:32:55,633 --> 00:32:57,167 SUPPORT AND MORAL FORCE BEHIND 950 00:32:57,167 --> 00:32:58,733 THE SPRINGBOKS WHEN THEY HOSTED 951 00:32:58,733 --> 00:33:01,067 THE 1995 RUGBY WORLD CUP. 952 00:33:01,067 --> 00:33:02,767 IN A COUNTRY WHERE WHITES MAKE 953 00:33:02,767 --> 00:33:04,567 UP JUST 13% OF THE POPULATION, 954 00:33:04,567 --> 00:33:09,800 THERE WAS ONLY ONE BLACK PLAYER 955 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,167 ON THE TEAM. 956 00:33:12,167 --> 00:33:12,733 >> UP GOES THE KICK. 957 00:33:12,733 --> 00:33:15,867 >> THE SPRINGBOKS WON THE FINAL 958 00:33:15,867 --> 00:33:17,400 MATCH, BEATING THEIR RIVALS, NEW 959 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:17,800 ZEALAND. 960 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,267 THE TRIUMPH WAS TURNED INTO THE 961 00:33:22,267 --> 00:33:24,733 MOVIE "INVICTUS," MANDELA PLAYED 962 00:33:24,733 --> 00:33:27,233 BY MORGAN FREEMAN, PIENAAR BY 963 00:33:27,233 --> 00:33:27,700 MATT DAMON. 964 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:30,467 THIS IDEA OF USING SPORT TO 965 00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:30,900 REPAIR A SOCIETY. 966 00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:35,500 >> I DON'T THINK IT'S AN IDEA. 967 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:36,067 I DON'T THINK IT'S A TOOL. 968 00:33:36,067 --> 00:33:37,333 IT JUST DOES THAT. 969 00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:38,367 >> IT JUST IS. 970 00:33:38,367 --> 00:33:41,067 >> IT'S NOT SOMETHING, LET'S SEE 971 00:33:41,067 --> 00:33:42,567 USE SPORT AND UNITE PEOPLE. 972 00:33:42,567 --> 00:33:43,767 IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY. 973 00:33:43,767 --> 00:33:46,367 THEN IT'S FALSE, CONTRIVED MADE 974 00:33:46,367 --> 00:33:46,600 UP. 975 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,567 SPORTS IS NOT MADE UP. 976 00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:48,533 >> UNSCRIPTED. 977 00:33:48,533 --> 00:33:49,700 >> UNSCRIPTED. 978 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:50,567 >> UNCHOREOGRAPHED. 979 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:52,533 >> GUTS, GUTS, GUTS, YOU KNOW, 980 00:33:52,533 --> 00:33:54,667 AND THEN IT JUST COMES TOGETHER, 981 00:33:54,667 --> 00:33:56,067 AND EVERYBODY'S THERE. 982 00:33:56,067 --> 00:33:57,800 EVERYBODY'S A SHAREHOLDER. 983 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,100 WINNER NATIONS, TEAM RUNS OUT. 984 00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:02,133 EVERYBODY'S A SHAREHOLDER IN 985 00:34:02,133 --> 00:34:04,233 THAT TEAM. 986 00:34:04,233 --> 00:34:04,867 EVERYBODY. 987 00:34:04,867 --> 00:34:06,833 >> SIYA KOLISI WAS JUST 4 WHEN 988 00:34:06,833 --> 00:34:09,367 SOUTH AFRICA WON THAT 1995 WORLD 989 00:34:09,367 --> 00:34:09,533 CUP. 990 00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:14,300 HE GREW UP IN THE WIND SWEPT 991 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:20,433 STREETS OF ZWIDE, OUTSIDE THE 992 00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:21,699 CITY OF PORT ELIZABETH. 993 00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:23,067 >> THIS IS MY STREET I USED TO 994 00:34:23,067 --> 00:34:23,800 WALK TO THE SCHOOL. 995 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,467 >> BORN TO YOUNG UNMARRIED 996 00:34:25,467 --> 00:34:29,367 PARENTS, HE SAYS HE WAS LOVINGLY 997 00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:31,733 RAISED BY HIS GRANDMOTHER, MONEY 998 00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:33,733 AND FOOD WERE SCARCE. 999 00:34:33,733 --> 00:34:34,967 SOMETIMES ALL HE HAD BEFORE BED 1000 00:34:34,967 --> 00:34:37,266 WAS A GLASS OF WATER WITH SUGAR. 1001 00:34:37,266 --> 00:34:39,533 HE AND HIS GRANDMOTHER LICHED IN 1002 00:34:39,533 --> 00:34:40,833 THIS HOME WITH COUSINS, UNCLES 1003 00:34:40,833 --> 00:34:42,300 AND AUNTS. 1004 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,400 SIYA SAYS HE SLEPT ON THE FLOOR 1005 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,699 WHERE RATS RAN OVER HIM. 1006 00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:48,800 >> THE ONLY WATER SOURCE FOR THE 1007 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,733 WHOLE HOUSE. 1008 00:34:50,733 --> 00:34:51,367 >> THIS IS WHERE YOU GOT YOUR 1009 00:34:51,367 --> 00:34:51,600 WATER. 1010 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,132 >> YEAH, RIGHT HERE. 1011 00:34:52,132 --> 00:34:52,967 AND THIS IS THE TOILET. 1012 00:34:52,967 --> 00:34:54,500 IT'S WORKING NOW, BUT IT DIDN'T 1013 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,433 WORK WHEN I LIVED HERE. 1014 00:34:56,433 --> 00:34:57,800 >> SOME OF HIS EARLIEST 1015 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,433 MEMORIES, HIS BROTHER, BRUISED 1016 00:34:59,433 --> 00:35:02,333 AND MISSING TEETH AT THE HANDS 1017 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:02,700 OF MEN. 1018 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,867 BOTH SHE AND SIYA'S GRANDMOTHER 1019 00:35:04,867 --> 00:35:07,133 DIED BEFORE HE GRADUATED FROM 1020 00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:07,733 HIGH SCHOOL, BUT HE SAYS, IT 1021 00:35:07,733 --> 00:35:09,133 WASN'T AN UNHAPPY CHILDHOOD. 1022 00:35:09,133 --> 00:35:11,333 HE MADE DO WITH WHATEVER HE 1023 00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:11,933 COULD. 1024 00:35:11,933 --> 00:35:13,500 >> I DIDN'T HAVE TOYS. 1025 00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:15,300 I COULDN'T AFFORD TOYS, BUT I 1026 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:15,967 HAD TO HAVE FUN. 1027 00:35:15,967 --> 00:35:17,233 I HAD TO ENJOY MYSELF. 1028 00:35:17,233 --> 00:35:19,200 WHAT DID I DO. 1029 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,333 I FOUND A BRICK, THOUGHT IT WAS 1030 00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:23,167 MY CAR, I LOVED THAT BRICK. 1031 00:35:23,167 --> 00:35:24,200 >> THE BRICK WAS YOUR CAR. 1032 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400 >> I USED TO WASH IT, PARK IT, 1033 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,100 WAKE UP IN THE MORNING. 1034 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,100 THIS IS ALL THAT I HAD. 1035 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:31,733 >> AROUND THE SAME TIME HE CAME 1036 00:35:31,733 --> 00:35:34,933 TO THIS FIELD, LITTERED WITH 1037 00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:36,067 STONES AND THORNS AND PICKED UP 1038 00:35:36,067 --> 00:35:37,233 HIS FIRST RUGBY BALL. 1039 00:35:37,233 --> 00:35:38,800 IT WAS A REFUGE FROM THE 1040 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,967 VIOLENCE, DRUGS AND CHAOS BEYOND 1041 00:35:40,967 --> 00:35:43,167 THE STADIUM WALLS. 1042 00:35:43,167 --> 00:35:44,633 >> THIS PLACE ITSELF, IF IT 1043 00:35:44,633 --> 00:35:46,400 WASN'T AROUND, IF THERE WAS A 1044 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,633 TEAM, IF THERE WASN'T SPORT AND 1045 00:35:48,633 --> 00:35:50,500 THE COMMUNITY OF SPORT, I DON'T 1046 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:51,733 KNOW WHERE I WOULD HAVE BEEN AT 1047 00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:52,267 THAT POINT. 1048 00:35:52,267 --> 00:35:53,167 I WAS REALLY HAPPY. 1049 00:35:53,167 --> 00:35:55,433 I ENJOYED MYSELF. 1050 00:35:55,433 --> 00:35:57,500 IT INSPIRED ME, AND IT TAUGHT ME 1051 00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:58,900 WHO I AM. 1052 00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:03,133 >> THEN CAME A MAJOR PLOT POINT, 1053 00:36:03,133 --> 00:36:04,333 AT AGE 12, PLAYING ON THOSE 1054 00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:05,567 POCKED FIELDS, HE WAS SPOTTED BY 1055 00:36:05,567 --> 00:36:07,300 A COACH AND OFFERED A 1056 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:09,967 SCHOLARSHIP TO THE ELITE MOSTLY 1057 00:36:09,967 --> 00:36:12,333 WHITE GREY JR. SCHOOL JUST 15 1058 00:36:12,333 --> 00:36:13,367 MILES AWAY. 1059 00:36:13,367 --> 00:36:15,633 >> AND JUST THE BUILDING, YOU 1060 00:36:15,633 --> 00:36:17,800 KNOW, LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, 1061 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,433 EVERYTHING I NEED IS HERE. 1062 00:36:19,433 --> 00:36:21,700 COMPARED TO WHAT I'M USED TO. 1063 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:23,333 >> HE SAYS THAT FOR THE VERY 1064 00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:25,667 FIRST TIME HE WAS GIVEN SOCKS, A 1065 00:36:25,667 --> 00:36:26,933 TOOTHBRUSH, THREE MEALS A DAY, 1066 00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:29,067 AND HIS OWN BED. 1067 00:36:29,067 --> 00:36:30,300 >> THAT MUST HAVE BEEN SUCH A 1068 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:31,500 CULTURE SHOCK TO YOU. 1069 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:32,667 >> YEAH, IT WAS. 1070 00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:34,467 BUT THE TOUGHEST THING WAS WHEN 1071 00:36:34,467 --> 00:36:36,133 I HAD TO GO HOME ON WEEKENDS, I 1072 00:36:36,133 --> 00:36:37,600 WOULD GO BACK AND SLEEP ON THE 1073 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,067 FLOOR, AND I TOLD MYSELF RIGHT 1074 00:36:39,067 --> 00:36:42,067 THEN THAT I'M NOT LETTING THIS 1075 00:36:42,067 --> 00:36:42,233 GO. 1076 00:36:42,233 --> 00:36:43,367 WILL NOT FAIL. 1077 00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:46,967 >> HE ADDED A CARAPACE OF 1078 00:36:46,967 --> 00:36:48,267 MUSCLE, TRAINED HARD, AND BY THE 1079 00:36:48,267 --> 00:36:49,367 TIME HE GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL 1080 00:36:49,367 --> 00:36:52,233 WAS DRAFTED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL 1081 00:36:52,233 --> 00:36:52,433 RUGBY. 1082 00:36:52,433 --> 00:36:55,167 RACHEL SMITH, A FAN OF THE SPORT 1083 00:36:55,167 --> 00:36:58,067 MET SIYA WHEN SHE WAS 21. 1084 00:36:58,067 --> 00:37:01,433 >> SIYA WAS YOUNG AND HE WAS 1085 00:37:01,433 --> 00:37:02,733 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A LOT, I 1086 00:37:02,733 --> 00:37:03,767 THINK IN HIS LIFE. 1087 00:37:03,767 --> 00:37:06,100 I'VE MET A LOT OF RUGBY PLAYERS 1088 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:07,067 BEFORE, AND I KNOW WHAT THEY CAN 1089 00:37:07,067 --> 00:37:10,233 GET UP TO. 1090 00:37:10,233 --> 00:37:10,700 >> WHAT ARE THEY LIKE? 1091 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:11,667 >> THEY'RE EVERYTHING YOU READ, 1092 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:13,067 AND ASSUME, IT'S TRUE. 1093 00:37:13,067 --> 00:37:14,667 >> STILL, THEY STARTED DATING 1094 00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:16,733 AND SOON THE COUNTRY'S RACIAL 1095 00:37:16,733 --> 00:37:17,600 DIVISIONS WERE LAID BARE. 1096 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,533 HE WAS ACCUSED OF SELLING OUT. 1097 00:37:21,533 --> 00:37:22,767 SHE OF QUOTE CONTAMINATING HER 1098 00:37:22,767 --> 00:37:23,867 WHITE BLOODLINE. 1099 00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:25,333 THEY MARRIED AND HAVE TWO 1100 00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:25,600 CHILDREN. 1101 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,067 THEY ALSO ADOPTED TWO OF SIYA'S 1102 00:37:29,067 --> 00:37:31,233 YOUNGER HALF SIBLINGS. 1103 00:37:31,233 --> 00:37:34,133 BUT KOLISI ADMITS HE WASN'T 1104 00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:35,833 IMMUNE TO THE TRAPPINGS OF 1105 00:37:35,833 --> 00:37:36,133 CELEBRITY. 1106 00:37:36,133 --> 00:37:37,800 >> MY HEAD GOT HUGE, I SPENT THE 1107 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,100 MONEY, BUYING SPORTS CARS, 1108 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:41,167 DRIPPING EVERY WEEKEND, SPENDING 1109 00:37:41,167 --> 00:37:42,700 THE MONEY WITH FRIEND, AND JUST 1110 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:44,700 GETTING INVOLVED IN THINGS THAT 1111 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:47,100 I WOULD NEVER BE PROUD OF BUT I 1112 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,633 WANT TO BE BETTER AND I WANT TO 1113 00:37:48,633 --> 00:37:48,933 LEARN. 1114 00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:51,267 I GO TO THERAPY, AND I GET TO 1115 00:37:51,267 --> 00:37:53,567 TALK TO SOMEONE, YOU KNOW. 1116 00:37:53,567 --> 00:37:57,067 >> CAN I STOP YOU, YOU VERY 1117 00:37:57,067 --> 00:37:58,067 CASUALLY MENTIONED THERAPY. 1118 00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:00,100 THAT'S NOT SOMETHING A LOT OF 1119 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:01,333 31-YEAR-OLD MEN, MUCH LESS 1120 00:38:01,333 --> 00:38:02,833 PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES WOULD JUST 1121 00:38:02,833 --> 00:38:03,800 DROP INTO CONVERSATION. 1122 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,067 >> BECAUSE IT HELPS ME HEAL. 1123 00:38:05,067 --> 00:38:08,767 IT HELPS ME BE BETTER. 1124 00:38:08,767 --> 00:38:10,333 YOU SEEK MAYBE MENTALLY OR 1125 00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,200 EMOTIONALLY, THERAPY IS YOUR 1126 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:12,500 MEDICATION. 1127 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,700 I WANT TO BE THE GENERATION OF 1128 00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:16,600 BLACK MEN THAT ARE THERE FOR 1129 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400 THEIR CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, THAT 1130 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,733 ARE TELLING THE WOMAN THEY LOVE, 1131 00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:23,867 NOT ONLY BY WORDS, BUT ACTIONS 1132 00:38:23,867 --> 00:38:25,267 TOO. 1133 00:38:25,267 --> 00:38:26,200 >> IN 2018 WITH THE SPRINGBOKS 1134 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,167 MIRED IN ONE OF ITS WORST EVER 1135 00:38:28,167 --> 00:38:29,800 STRETCHES, NEW COACHES WERE 1136 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,533 APPOINTED AND KOLISI NAMED 1137 00:38:31,533 --> 00:38:31,800 CAPTAIN. 1138 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,133 >> HE PHONED ME AND TOLD ME HE 1139 00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:34,133 HAD BEEN NAMED CAPTAIN, AND I 1140 00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:36,833 WAS JUST LIKE, WHAT, WHAT, AND 1141 00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:37,967 EVENTUALLY, I COULDN'T SPEAK SO 1142 00:38:37,967 --> 00:38:39,967 I ENDED UP HANGING UP ON HIM. 1143 00:38:39,967 --> 00:38:42,500 >> YOU WERE A RUGBY FAN, YOU 1144 00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:43,467 GRASPED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 1145 00:38:43,467 --> 00:38:43,667 THIS? 1146 00:38:43,667 --> 00:38:45,067 >> I MEAN, IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE, 1147 00:38:45,067 --> 00:38:46,633 YOU KNOW, JUST TO SEE SO MANY 1148 00:38:46,633 --> 00:38:48,833 SOUTH AFRICANS FEEL LIKE THEY 1149 00:38:48,833 --> 00:38:49,500 WERE FINALLY BEING REPRESENTED 1150 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:50,333 IN THIS TEAM. 1151 00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:51,933 >> THEIR TEAM BEGINNING TO 1152 00:38:51,933 --> 00:38:53,500 RESEMBLE THE DIVERSITY OF THE 1153 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,067 COUNTRY, THE SPRINGBOKS 1154 00:38:55,067 --> 00:38:57,067 UNEXPECTEDLY MADE THE 2019 WORLD 1155 00:38:57,067 --> 00:39:00,067 CUP FINAL HELD IN YOKOHAMA, 1156 00:39:00,067 --> 00:39:00,167 JAPAN. 1157 00:39:00,167 --> 00:39:01,533 THE NIGHT BEFORE, THE CAPTAIN 1158 00:39:01,533 --> 00:39:03,433 AND WIFE DISCUSSED NOT THE NEXT 1159 00:39:03,433 --> 00:39:06,100 DAY'S BIG MATCH BUT WHAT WOULD 1160 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:07,433 ACCOMPANY VICTORY? 1161 00:39:07,433 --> 00:39:09,067 >> WE ALL WANT THESE BIG 1162 00:39:09,067 --> 00:39:09,267 MOMENTS. 1163 00:39:09,267 --> 00:39:12,333 IT CAN BE JUST A BIG MOMENT, 1164 00:39:12,333 --> 00:39:13,400 THAT'S IT, OR YOU CAN USE IT FOR 1165 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,133 SO MUCH MORE. 1166 00:39:14,133 --> 00:39:15,667 HOW CAN WE USE THIS OPPORTUNITY 1167 00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:18,467 NOT JUST TO HELP US BUT TO HELP 1168 00:39:18,467 --> 00:39:22,800 OTHERS AROUND US IN OUR COUNTRY. 1169 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,433 >> BIGGEST GAME OF YOUR CAREER. 1170 00:39:23,433 --> 00:39:23,700 >> YEAH. 1171 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:24,667 >> NIGHT BEFORE THE GAME AND 1172 00:39:24,667 --> 00:39:25,600 YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT 1173 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,200 YOU'RE GOING TO DO TO ENRICH 1174 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:28,533 SOUTH AFRICA. 1175 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:30,067 >> THIS IS WHY I'M HERE. 1176 00:39:30,067 --> 00:39:32,933 THIS IS MY PURPOSE. 1177 00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:35,300 >> SOUTH AFRICA, ARE WORLD CUP 1178 00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:35,700 WINNERS IN 2019. 1179 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:37,933 >> THE SPRINGBOKS WON THAT WORLD 1180 00:39:37,933 --> 00:39:39,333 CUP RESOUNDINGLY. 1181 00:39:39,333 --> 00:39:41,267 >> YOU SAID THAT VICTORY IN 1182 00:39:41,267 --> 00:39:42,667 YOKOHAMA IN 2019 MEANT MORE TO 1183 00:39:42,667 --> 00:39:45,600 SOUTH AFRICA THAN YOURS? 1184 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:45,767 WHY? 1185 00:39:45,767 --> 00:39:47,967 >> WE HAD A BLACK WORLD CUP 1186 00:39:47,967 --> 00:39:49,800 WINNING CAPTAIN. 1187 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,467 IN SOUTH AFRICA IN THE TOWNSHIPS 1188 00:39:51,467 --> 00:39:55,567 ACROSS THE LAND, EVERYBODY, 1189 00:39:55,567 --> 00:39:57,100 AGAIN, WAS PROUD. 1190 00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:58,933 THEY WERE WORLD CHAMPIONS AND 1191 00:39:58,933 --> 00:40:00,767 THAT IS WHAT SPORT DOES. 1192 00:40:00,767 --> 00:40:02,767 NOTHING ELSE CAN DO THAT. 1193 00:40:02,767 --> 00:40:04,667 >> FULFILLING THEIR PROMISE TO 1194 00:40:04,667 --> 00:40:07,000 USE THE MOMENT, RACHEL AND SIYA 1195 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,467 STARTED THE KOLISI FOUNDATION. 1196 00:40:08,467 --> 00:40:09,967 WE ACCOMPANIED THEM ON A VISIT 1197 00:40:09,967 --> 00:40:13,767 TO A SHANTYTOWN OUTSIDE 1198 00:40:13,767 --> 00:40:14,100 CAPETOWN. 1199 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:16,033 THIS FEEDING PROGRAM PROVIDES 1200 00:40:16,033 --> 00:40:16,867 HEALTHY MEALS FOR THOUSANDS OF 1201 00:40:16,867 --> 00:40:17,900 KIDS A DAY. 1202 00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:19,933 >> I CAN'T GIVE THEM FOOD THAT I 1203 00:40:19,933 --> 00:40:21,333 WOULDN'T PUT IN MY MOUTH. 1204 00:40:21,333 --> 00:40:23,200 >> KOLISI SAYS THE ABUSE HIS 1205 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,933 MOTHER FACED HAS ALWAYS HAUNTED 1206 00:40:25,933 --> 00:40:27,133 HIM. 1207 00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:28,900 THE SCOURGE OF GENDER-BASED 1208 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:31,367 VIOLENCE IS ONE OF THE PILLARS 1209 00:40:31,367 --> 00:40:32,267 OF THE FOUNDATION'S WORK. 1210 00:40:32,267 --> 00:40:33,900 THEY HAND OUT WHAT THEY CALL 1211 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,933 POWER 2 YOU PACKS, A WHISTLE, 1212 00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:37,433 PEPPER SPRAY AND EMERGENCY 1213 00:40:37,433 --> 00:40:37,700 CONTACTS. 1214 00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:39,300 >>WE ACTUALLY GIVE IT TO YOUNG 1215 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:40,700 BOYS TO GIVE TO WOMEN IN THEIR 1216 00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:41,767 COMMUNITIES TO TELL THEM WHAT 1217 00:40:41,767 --> 00:40:42,300 IT'S ABOUT. 1218 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:43,600 >> IT'S INTENTIONAL, YOU'RE NOT 1219 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,000 GOING TO JUST GIVE THESE TO THE 1220 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,900 GIRLS AND WOMEN, YOU'RE GOING TO 1221 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:48,367 GIVE THESE TO THE BOYS AS WELL. 1222 00:40:48,367 --> 00:40:48,900 >> ABSOLUTELY. 1223 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:53,267 >> FOR ALL OF KOLISI'S SOCIAL 1224 00:40:53,267 --> 00:40:55,000 AMBITIONS, HIS SIGHTS ARE FIXED 1225 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,300 FIRMLY ON THE DEFENDING THE 1226 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:57,600 WORLD CUP NEXT YEAR. 1227 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,833 TODAY, AFFECTION FOR HIM AND THE 1228 00:40:59,833 --> 00:41:02,667 TEAM REMAINS AT FEVER PITCH. 1229 00:41:02,667 --> 00:41:04,333 REMEMBER THAT GAME WE ATTENDED 1230 00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:06,400 AGAINST WALES THIS PAST SUMMER, 1231 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,433 SIYA KOLISI'S TRY, HIS TOUCHDOWN 1232 00:41:09,433 --> 00:41:11,400 HELD UP AS THE DECISIVE SCORE AS 1233 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,833 SOUTH AFRICA WON THE SERIES. 1234 00:41:14,833 --> 00:41:15,933 THE PLAYERS WERE EXUBERANT IF 1235 00:41:15,933 --> 00:41:18,067 NOT A LITTLE BRUISED AND TOOK A 1236 00:41:18,067 --> 00:41:19,467 MUCH DESERVED VICTORY LAP. 1237 00:41:19,467 --> 00:41:22,267 AS FOR THE FANS, IN SUBURBS, IN 1238 00:41:22,267 --> 00:41:24,167 TOWNSHIPS, AND IN THE STADIUM, 1239 00:41:24,167 --> 00:41:25,533 THEY CELEBRATED WILDLY. 1240 00:41:25,533 --> 00:41:27,333 FOR THOSE FEW HOURS ON THE 1241 00:41:27,333 --> 00:41:28,833 PITCH, THE COUNTRY'S TROUBLES 1242 00:41:28,833 --> 00:41:31,967 AND DIVISIONS FADED. 1243 00:41:31,967 --> 00:41:33,433 AS IS OFTEN THE CASE WITH RUGBY 1244 00:41:33,433 --> 00:41:35,267 IN SOUTH AFRICA, IT WAS MUCH 1245 00:41:35,267 --> 00:41:36,200 MORE THAN A GAME. 1246 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:43,433 WHAT SIYA KOLISI HOPES FOR THE 1247 00:41:43,433 --> 00:41:45,533 NEXT GENERATION OF SOUTH 1248 00:41:45,533 --> 00:41:45,800 AFRICANS. 1249 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:57,667 >> I WANT THE RESOURCES TO COME 1250 00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:01,167 >>> THE LAST MINUTE OF 60 1251 00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:02,767 MINUTES IS SPONSORED BY UNITED 1252 00:42:02,767 --> 00:42:03,600 HEALTH CARE, GET MEDICARE WITH 1253 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,367 MORE. 1254 00:42:07,367 --> 00:42:10,200 >>> HURRICANE IAN EXPLODED INTO 1255 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:10,900 SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WEDNESDAY 1256 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:13,133 CARVING A TRAIL OF DEATH AND 1257 00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:14,867 DEVASTATION ACROSS THE STATE 1258 00:42:14,867 --> 00:42:17,500 BEFORE SLAMMING THE CAROLINAS 1259 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:20,467 THIS WEEKEND. 1260 00:42:20,467 --> 00:42:22,667 IAN'S 150 MILE AN HOUR WINDS AND 1261 00:42:22,667 --> 00:42:24,533 12 FOOT STORM SURGE FLATTENED 1262 00:42:24,533 --> 00:42:26,867 PARTS OF FORT MYERS AND THE 1263 00:42:26,867 --> 00:42:27,833 SURROUNDING AREA. 1264 00:42:27,833 --> 00:42:30,433 IT WILL BE DAYS BEFORE 1265 00:42:30,433 --> 00:42:31,333 AUTHORITIES KNOW THE COST IN 1266 00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:32,900 LIVES AND PROPERTY. 1267 00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:33,967 FLORIDA INSURANCE CLAIMS COULD 1268 00:42:33,967 --> 00:42:37,067 BE CLOSE TO $50 BILLION. 1269 00:42:37,067 --> 00:42:39,700 FUELED BY WATER TEMPERATURES 2 1270 00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:41,100 DEGREES ABOVE AVERAGE IN THE 1271 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,200 GULF OF MEXICO, IAN BECAME WHAT 1272 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,967 THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER 1273 00:42:44,967 --> 00:42:49,533 CALLS A RAPIDLY INTENSIFYING 1274 00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:50,133 STORM. 1275 00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:51,533 HURRICANES ARE NOT MORE FREQUENT 1276 00:42:51,533 --> 00:42:55,067 TODAY, BUT FREQUENTLY MORE 1277 00:42:55,067 --> 00:42:56,233 SEVERE, AND THE HURRICANE SEASON 1278 00:42:56,233 --> 00:42:59,367 IS FAR FROM OVER. 1279 00:42:59,367 --> 00:43:00,100 I'M LESLEY STAHL. 1280 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:01,300 WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH 1281 00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:02,267 ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."