>>> HOW CLOSE IS THE WORLD TO WITNESSING A WAR BETWEEN CHINA AND TAIWAN? WE WENT TO THE ISLAND OF 23
MILLION TO SEE FOR OURSELVES. WE FOUND THE TAIWANESE CALM. SOME SAY TOO CALM, GIVEN CHINA'S AGGRESSIVENESS MILITARILY AND --
>> THAT'S TAIWAN. >> SO YOU'RE DESIGNATING WHERE THEY'RE ATTACKING, THOSE CIRCLES?
>> CORRECT. >> IT'S BEEN 11 DAYS SINCE HURRICANE IAN CUT ACROSS FLORIDA, CAUSING STAGGERING LOSS
OF LIFE AND PROPERTY. WE WENT THERE AND SAW IT ALL. AND THEN WE SAW SOMETHING WE WEREN'T EXPECTING.
>> AND THE ONLY DAMAGE WERE A FEW DOWNED TREES AND A FEW SHINGLES OFF THE ROOFS. >> THAT'S IT?
>> THAT'S IT. AND MAYBE THINGS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT THAT WAS IT. >> IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
>> BART MAY BE A SMALL-TOWN PASTOR, BUT HE'S ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE LARGEST AND MOST INFLUENTIAL EVANGELICAL
CHURCH IN THE COUNTRY, THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION, WE HAD A SURPRISING WIDE-RANGING INTERVIEW.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN? >> NO. >> YOU BELIEVE JOE BIDEN IS THE
LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? >> I DO, ABSOLUTELY. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES."
>>> EVER SINCE MAO TSE TUNG WON CHINA'S CIVIL WAR IN 1949 AND THE LOSING ANTICOMMUNIST SIDE FLED TO A SMALL, NEARBY ISLAND,
BEIJING HAS INSISTED THAT THAT ISLAND, TAIWAN, IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE MAINLAND. THE U.S. HAS WALKED A TIGHTROPE,
RESPECTING THAT "ONE CHINA" POLICY, BUT MAINTAINING A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH TAIWAN, TODAY A PROGRESSIVE,
THRIVING DEMOCRACY. IN SEPTEMBER, PRESIDENT BIDEN VOWED ON THIS BROADCAST THAT THE U.S. WILL PROTECT TAIWAN.
THIS PAST WEEK, THE TAIWANESE GOVERNMENT SAID CHINA AIMS TO NORMALIZE ITS MILITARY PRESSURE ON THE ISLAND, THAT ESCALATED
AFTER HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI VISITED IN AUGUST WITH ITS LARGEST MILITARY DRILL EVER. >> IN A DISPLAY OF FRIGHTENING
MILITARY MIGHT, CHINA SUBJECTED TAIWAN TO THREE DAYS OF CONTINUOUS SORTIES -- WITH OVER 100 WARPLANES, A BARRAGE OF
BALLISTIC MISSILES AND WARSHIPS THAT ENCIRCLED THE ISLAND, DELIVERING A LOUD AND CLEAR MESSAGE, THAT CHINA COULD CHOKE
TAIWAN ANY TIME IT WANTED TO. >> YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO INVADE? >> THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF IF
THEY WILL INVADE, IT'S A MATTER OF WHEN THEY WILL INVADE. >> ADMIRAL LEE HSI-MIN, WHO USED TO HEAD TAIWAN'S ARMED FORCES,
HAS BEEN RINGING ALARM BELLS FOR YEARS, BECAUSE AS CHINA'S MILITARY HAS BEEN GROWING, TAIWAN'S IS SHRINKING.
THE NUMBER OF SOLDIERS IN UNIFORM HAS BEEN CUT IN HALF OVER THE YEARS, THE LENGTH OF MANDATORY SERVICE HAS BEEN
REDUCED TO JUST FOUR MONTHS, AND ADMIRAL LEE COMPLAINS THAT THE WRONG WEAPONS FOR YEARS: TANKS AND JETS FROM THE UNITED STATES
INSTEAD OF SMALLER PORTABLE MISSILES. >> WHAT I GATHER YOU THINK THE MILITARY NEEDS ARE THESE
STINGERS AND JAVELINS AND DRONES, EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED IN UKRAINE. >> YEAH, IT'S THE TRUTH.
>> AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING THEM NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING THEM TO UKRAINE? WE ALREADY ORDERED IT.
IN MY VIEW, NOT ENOUGH. BUT, HOWEVER, WE BEGAN TO ORDER THEM. BUT WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED
ANY. BECAUSE OTHER COUNTRIES ALSO HAVE KIND OF SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS.
WE ARE NOT ON THE TOP LIST. BUT WE NEED NOW, WE NEED NOW. >> DID THE TAIWANESE MILITARY WASTE ALL THOSE YEARS BUYING
THOSE BIG WEAPONS? >> I BELIEVE SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WASTE ANYMORE.
>> TAIWAN DOESN'T GET U.S. MILITARY AID, IT BUYS THE WEAPONS. BUT THE MANUFACTURERS CAN'T KEEP
UP WITH THE DEMAND. THE TAIWANESE HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED ABOUT $14 BILLION WORTH OF WEAPONS THAT THEY HAVE
YET TO RECEIVE. WE WERE SURPRISED THAT FEW HERE SEEM TO SHARE THE ADMIRAL'S SENSE OF URGENCY.
>> HERE IN TAIWAN, YOU'D NEVER KNOW THAT THE DRAGON TO THE NORTH RECENTLY SENT WARSHIPS TO SURROUND THE ISLAND.
PEOPLE TOLD US OVER AND OVER "NO BIG DEAL." CHINA'S BEEN DOING VERSIONS OF THAT FOR 70 YEARS.
WHILE MUCH OF THE WORLD THOUGHT AN INVASION WAS IMMINENT, POLLS SHOWED THAT A MAJORITY OF TAIWANESE THINK THAT'S UNLIKELY
ANY TIME SOON, IF EVER. AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN WHAT WE SAW IN THE CAPITAL, TAIPEI, WHERE LIFE GOES ON
UNINTERRUPTED. MORNING TRAFFIC FLOWS NORMALLY. SHOPPERS DO WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO, DURING THE DAY, AND AT NIGHT.
WE SAW OLD PEOPLE PAINTING OUTDOORS, AND TEENAGERS PRACTICING HIP-HOP ROUTINES, DESPITE THE THREAT FROM THE
NORTH. >> THIS KIND OF THREAT IS OUR DAILY LIFE. >> WANG TING-YU, A
PARLIAMENTARIAN FROM SOUTHERN TAIWAN, SAYS A KIND OF WAR HAS ALREADY STARTED. >> CHINA, THEY TRY TO ANNEX
TAIWAN FOR PAST 50 YEARS. THEY TRY ALL DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. MAYBE I CAN GIVE YOU VERY
CONCRETE FIGURES -- THERE ARE 20 MILLION CYBERATTACKS PER DAY. >> PER DAY? >> YES, EVERY DAY.
>> WANG, WHO SITS ON PARLIAMENT'S FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL DEFENSE COMMITTEE, TOOK US TO A HIGH-SECURITY LAB WHERE
ENGINEERS TRACK THOSE ATTACKS. >> THIS IS TAIWAN HERE. >> AH, OKAY. >> A SMALL ISLAND.
BUT WE ARE PROUD OF IT. THE MAP SHOWS THE ATTACKS FROM CHINA IN REALTIME AS THEY HIT TAIWAN.
>> IT'S SO CLOSE TO CHINA. >> YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY. >> SO IS CHINA HOPING TO DEFEAT TAIWAN WITHOUT FIRING A SINGLE
SHOT? >> THEY DREAM LIKE THAT. >> "THEY DREAM." >> THEY DESPERATELY DREAM LIKE
THAT. HE SAYS ON TOP OF CYBER WARFARE, THEY'RE TRYING TO SABOTAGE TAIWAN'S THRIVING ECONOMY AND
INTIMIDATE POLITICALLY-POWERFUL GROUPS, LIKE THE FARMERS AND FISHERMEN IN WANG'S HOME DISTRICT OF TAINAN, WHO'VE BEEN
HIT ESPECIALLY HARD WITH A SERIES OF EXPORT BANS. >> WHEN SPEAKER PELOSI WAS HERE, CHINA, WE'RE TOLD, BANNED 1,000
PRODUCTS, TAIWANESE PRODUCTS, A LOT FROM YOUR REGION DOWN HERE. >> IT DO HURT, DO DAMAGE TO SOME INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES.
>> LIKE THE FISH INDUSTRY. >> IS THERE ANY GROUPER HERE? >> 90% OF GROUPER EXPORTS WENT TO CHINA LAST YEAR.
BUT SUDDENLY IN JUNE BEIJING BANNED TAIWAN'S GROUPER, DEVASTATING THE FISHERMEN. BOXES AND BOXES OF FISH PILED
UP. CHINA ALSO WENT AFTER PINEAPPLES, CRUSHING FARMERS LIKE THIS YOUNG COUPLE.
>> Translator: IT DEVASTATED US. OUR PINEAPPLES GOT STUCK IN TAIWAN, AND WE LOST 60,000 U.S. DOLLARS.
>> AND I UNDERSTAND THE BAN WAS SUDDEN, LIKE THAT, NO WARNING. >> NO WARNING. >> THE GOVERNMENT FOUGHT BACK
WITH A "FREEDOM PINEAPPLE" CAMPAIGN TO ENTICE EVERYONE TO BUY, AND EAT A LOT OF PINEAPPLES.
>> OH, MY GOSH, IT'S SO SWEET. >> OUR HOUSEWIVES, THEY HAVE A VOICE, "LET'S EAT PINEAPPLE ON OUR DINING TABLES."
>> EVERYBODY'S EATING PINEAPPLE. >> MILITARY, THEY HAVE LUNCH, THEY HAVE DINNER, PROVIDE PINEAPPLES.
>> WE FOUND A FAIRLY PROSPEROUS COUNTRY, A LEADING EXPORTER OF BICYCLES AND OTHER SPORTS GEAR. THIS TINY ISLAND IS A TECH GIANT
IN AGRICULTURE INNOVATION. AND, ABOVE ALL, IN SEMICONDUCTORS. TAIWAN IS PRACTICALLY THE
WORLD'S ONLY SOURCE OF THE THINNEST MICRO CHIPS, MANUFACTURED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY BY ONE COMPANY, TSMC.
CHINA RELIES ON THESE AS DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD FOR THINGS LIKE iPHONES, ADVANCE COMPUTERS, AND CAR COMPONENTS.
91-YEAR-OLD MORRIS CHANG, TSMC'S FOUNDER, EXPLAINS WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THINK THE CHIPS PROTECT THEM FROM XI JINPING'S
ATTACKING. >> I'VE HEARD THIS EXPRESSION, SILICON SHIELD OR CHIP SHIELD, TALKING ABOUT YOUR COMPANY.
>> WELL, IT MEANS THAT PERHAPS BECAUSE OUR COMPANY PROVIDES A LOT OF CHIPS TO THE WORLD MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL REFRAIN FROM
ATTACKING IT. IF THAT PERSON'S PRIORITY IS FOR ECONOMIC WELL-BEING, I THINK THEY WILL REFRAIN FROM
ATTACKING. >> WHAT IF THE PRIORITY IS TO COME HERE AND NATIONALIZE YOUR COMPANY WITHIN, YOU KNOW, ONE
CHINA? >> IF THERE'S A WAR, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE DESTROYED. EVERYTHING WILL BE DESTROYED.
CHINA SAYS -- SOME OF THE CHINESE COMMUNISTS SAY, LET'S INVADE TAIWAN AND OCCUPY TSMC, MAKE IT BECOME PARTY-OWNED
COMPANY. THEN WE WILL BE A SUPER POWER! UNITED STATES AND JAPAN AND EUROPE, WE DON'T SUPPLY THEM
CHIPS, THEY WILL FOLLOW CHINESE ORDERS. BUT THAT'S NAIVE. >> WHY IS THAT NAIVE?
>> NOT ONLY CHIP COMPANY, EVEN A SAUSAGE COMPANY, YOU NEED A RECIPE. YOU NEED HUMAN CAPITAL.
YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO MANUFACTURE, MANUFACTURING THAT KIND OF PRODUCT. IF THERE IS REUNIFICATION, WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU? >> DIE. >> DIE? >> YEAH.
IF THEY ANNEX TAIWAN, PEOPLE LIKE ME, A LOT, WILL BE PERISHED. >> BEIJING HAS SANCTIONED WANG
TING-YU PERSONALLY FOR BEING OUTSPOKENLY PRO-TAIWAN'S INDEPENDENCE. HE PASSIONATELY DEFENDS THE
COUNTRY'S PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRACY. WE SAW CAMPAIGN BILLBOARDS EVERYWHERE, VALIDATING THE ISLAND'S COMMITMENT TO CLEAN
ELECTIONS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH. BEIJING HAS PROMISED THAT IF THERE WERE REUNIFICATION, TAIWAN COULD MAINTAIN MANY OF ITS
FREEDOMS. AND YET -- IN 2019, CHINA BROKE A SIMILAR PROMISE TO HONG KONG, PROTESTS
LED TO BEATINGS, ARRESTS AND STRIPPING OF DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS. IT HIT HOME IN TAIWAN AND LED TO PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN, LEADER
OF THE AGGRESSIVELY ANTI-REUNIFICATION PARTY, WINNING RE-ELECTION IN A LANDSLIDE.
>> WE DEFEND OUR FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY, AND WAY OF LIFE. >> GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED IN HONG KONG AND THE RECENT MILITARY
ESCALATION, WE WERE CURIOUS WHY THE PEOPLE ARE SO STOIC. ASKED IF THEY'RE IN DENIAL OR APATHETIC, A TAIWANESE WRITER
SAID IT'S KIND OF LIKE GLOBAL WARMING, YOU KNOW IT'S THEIRS AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE, BUT MOSTLY PEOPLE GO ABOUT THEIR
LIVES. WHAT CAN ONE INDIVIDUAL REALLY DO? BUT THEN THE TAIWANESE WATCHED
THE UKRAINIANS STAND UP TO THE RUSSIANS. IT SO INSPIRED JACK YAO, A YOUNG TAIPEI COFFEE VENDOR, THAT HE
WENT THERE TO HELP THE FIGHT. DID YOU GO BECAUS YOU'RE TAIWANESE? >> YEAH, BECAUSE --
>> WHAT'S THE CONNECTION? >> JUST, LIKE, IN THE UKRAINE SITUATION AND OUR SITUATION, IT'S VERY ALIKE.
THEY ALSO HAVE BIG NEIGHBORS. AND THEY WAS THE COMMUNISTS. AND WE HAVE TO FACE THE CHINA COMMUNISTS.
AND THEN THEY WANT TO ATTACK US. THEY ALWAYS WANT TO ATTACK US. >> WAS IT IN YOUR MIND THAT IF YOU GO TO FIGHT FOR UKRAINE,
OTHER PEOPLE WILL COME HERE AND FIGHT FOR TAIWAN -- >> YES, YEAH! >> WHAT THE UKRAINIANS HAVE DONE
IS RAISING A QUESTION HERE IN TAIWAN. IF THAT SMALL DEMOCRACY CAN STAND UP TO ITS MENACING
NEIGHBOR, WHY CAN'T WE, YOU SEE CIVIL DEFENSE CLASSES SPROUTING UP, LIKE THIS ONE ON HOW TO IDENTIFY CHINESE FAKE NEWS
DURING AN ATTACK. AND THIS NIGHT CLASS IN THE PARK ON HOW TO OPERATE TWO-WAY RADIOS IN MORSE CODE IN CASE THE
INTERNET IS KNOCKED OUT. >> WE WANT OUR STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO APPLY A TOURNIQUET WITHIN 30 SECONDS.
>> ENOCH WU, A FORMER SPECIAL FORCES SOLDIER, IS RUNNING TRAINING WORKSHOPS IN HOW TO TREAT BULLET AND SHRAPNEL WOUNDS
AND CONDUCT SEARCH AND RESCUE. AND ADMIRAL LEE WANTS TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER, CALLING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO ARM TAIWAN'S
CITIZENS AND CREATE A VOLUNTEER FORCE LIKE UKRAINE'S. >> IF UKRAINE CAN DO THAT, WHY NOT TAIWAN?
YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO CONVINCE MORE PEOPLE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS A SYMBOL OF THE DETERRENCE.
DETERMINATION. SO YOU'RE PROMISING WHAT, I GUESS I WOULD CALL, THE UKRAINE MDEL.
>> SIMILAR. UKRAINE PEOPLE REALLY INSPIRE OUR PEOPLE. BUT DO OUR PEOPLE CHANGE FAST
ENOUGH? I DON'T THINK SO. >> DO YOU THINK THAT TAIWANESE HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF
DETERMINATION? >> I STRONGLY BELIEVE THIS. BECAUSE WE CHERISH HOW WE LIVE. WE LOVE PEACE, WE DON'T LIKE
WAR, BUT WE WON'T CEDE OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR LIFE FOR PEACE. THAT'S SURRENDER. >> IS THERE A CHANCE YOU'LL
SERNDER? >> NO, NOT A CHANCE, NEVER. >> TAIWAN'S DIGITAL THREAT FROM CHINA --
>> IS TAIWAN ALREADY AT CYBER WAR WITH CHINA? >> ESSENTIALLY, >>> IT'S BEEN 11 DAYS SINCE
HURRICANE IAN, A CATEGORY 4 MONSTER OF A STORM, CUT ACROSS CENTRAL FLORIDA. EVEN IN A STATE THAT'S NO
STRANGER TO HURRICANES, THE DESTRUCTION IN THE WAKE OF IAN IS STAGGERING, MORE THAN 100 DEATHS, MOST BY DROWNING,
COMMUNITIES IN TATTERS, THE PRICE TAG FOR RECOVERY ESTIMATED AT MORE THAN $100 BILLION. WE WENT TO GROUND ZERO ON
FLORIDA'S SOUTHWEST COAST WHERE IAN FIRST ROARED ASHORE AND WHERE THE HURRICANE'S FURY WAS MOST SEVERE.
AS HURRICANE IAN'S VIOLENCE BORE DOWN ON SANIBEL ISLAND, THE SPRECHER FAMILY FLED WITH LITTLE MORE THAN THE CLOTHES ON THEIR
BACKS. THIS PAST WEDNESDAY, ONE WEEK AFTER THE TEMPEST LAID WASTE TO THE ISLAND, THE FAMILY WENT BACK
TO SEE WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE PLACE THEY HAD CALLED HOME FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. >> WHERE ARE WE?
I CAN'T EVEN TELL. >> IAN SEVERED THE CAUSEWAY THAT CONNECTS SANIBEL TO THE MAINLAND, SO THE SPRECHERS
RETURNED BY BOAT. >> YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS IS HOME. >> WE WERE INVITED TO GO HOME
WITH THEM TO SEE THE DAMAGE DONE WHEN THE CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE PLOWED INTO FLORIDA. JOHN SPRECHER TOLD US THE
DESTRUCTION WAS OVERWHELMING. >> THIS PLACE LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN BOMBED OUT. AND I, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER OUR
KIDS PLAYING IN THE SAND WHEN THEY WERE A COUPLE YEARS OLD. >> MILISSA TOLD US SHE HAD TROUBLE GETTING HER BEARINGS.
>> THERE'S NO BRIDGE, THERE'S NO FERRY RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NOWHERE TO STAY, THERE'S NO RUNNING WATER, THERE'S NO
ELECTRICITY, THERE'S NO AIR-CONDITIONING, THERE'S NOTHING. EVERYBODY ON THIS ISLAND AT THIS
MOMENT IS HOMELESS. >> THEIR HOUSE IS JUST A BLOCK FROM THE BEACH, USUALLY A FEW MINUTE WALK, THEY SAID, BUT NOT
THIS DAY. THE PATH WAS COVERED WITH THICK, TACKY MUD. >> WATCH THE MUD BECAUSE YOU'RE
GOING TO -- IT'S VERY SLICK. >> 6,500 PEOPLE LIVE ON SANIBEL. THE PLACE THE SPRECHERS DESCRIBED AS A TROPICAL PARADISE
NOW IS A DEBRIS FIELD. CARS TOSSED LIKE TOYS BY THE STORM SURGE, IT STRIPPED THE ASPHALT OFF THEIR ROAD.
>> THIS WAS PAVED? >> THIS WAS PAVED. >> AS THEY APPROACHED THE HOUSE, THE SCENE WAS SURREAL.
A BEAUTIFUL FLORIDA DAY, THE KIND THAT DREW JOHN AND MILISSA HERE FROM WISCONSIN YEARS AGO, WHILE THE HOME AND LIFE THEY
BUILT LAY BATTERED UNDER THE SUN. >> I'M SHOCKED. >> THEY HAD HELD POOL PARTIES IN
THIS YARD, CELEBRATED BIRTHDAYS AND GRADUATIONS IN THESE ROOMS. NOW WITH THE ROOF GONE, EXPOSING THE ACCUMULATIONS OF A LIFETIME
TO THE ELEMENTS, THEY ARE SALVAGING WHAT MEMORIES THEY CAN TAKE ON A SMALL BOAT. >> GRANDMA AND GRANDPA PHOTOS.
>> TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PHOTOS AND TINGS THAT THE KIDS HAVE MADE AND BE ABLE TO TAKE THEM, THAT'S HUGE.
>> YEAH. >> I'M FLOORED THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING, ANYTHING. >> HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH
YOUR INSURANCE? >> WE HAVE, YEAH. >> WILL YOU BE ABLE TO BUILD BACK WHAT YOU LOST?
>> I DON'T KNOW. >> WE DON'T EVEN KNOW AND WE WANT TO, HONESTLY. >> I WOULD THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
WOULD BE LEAVING THIS. >> ARE THE PHONES RINGING OFF THE HOOK? >> MONDAY MORNING WE WERE
GETTING ABOUT 15 CALLS A MINUTE. >> BRIAN CHAPMAN OWNS CHAPMAN INSURANCE GROUP, ONE OF THE LARGEST INDEPENDENT INSURANCE
AGENCIES IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, WITH ABOUT 30,000 CUSTOMERS, MANY WHO LIVE ON SANIBEL ISLAND AND IN HARD-HIT FORT MYERS.
SEVEN OF HIS EMPLOYEES LOST HOMES, HIS OFFICES SUFFERED WATER DAMAGE AND LOST POWER. WITH THIS HURRICANE, YOU HAD
WINDS GUSTING UP TO 150 MILES AN HOUR. YOU HAD A MASSIVE STORM SURGE. HOW DO THOSE TWO ARMS OF THIS
HURRICANE IMPACT THE REIMBURSEMENTS THAT YOUR HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO GET? >> THAT'S WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE
COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO POLICIES, ONE FOR FLOOD AND ONE FOR WIND. >> WHY IS THAT SO COMPLICATED?
>> WELL, DID THE WIND DAMAGE HAPPEN FIRST OR THE WATER RISE? AND WAS THERE WIND DAMAGE BEFORE IT FLOODED?
AND IT'S HARD TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. >> EXFR JUST 18% OF FLORIDA HOMEOWNERS HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.
SO WHY SO FEW? >> BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE. BUT NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
>> CHAPMAN SAYS HE FEARS IAN WILL ONLY EXACERBATE A PERSISTENT PROBLEM IN FLORIDA'S INSURANCE MARKET.
80% OF ALL HOMEOWNERS' INSURANCE LAWSUITS IN THE COUNTRY ARE FILED HERE. MOST BIG INSURERS HAVE SCALED
WAY BACK, SMALL INSURERS ARE BEING SQUEEZED. SIX WENT OUT OF BUSINESS JUST THIS YEAR.
WHAT HAS ALL OF THIS DONE TO PREMIUMS? >> DOUBLE-DIGIT, TRIPLE-DIGIT RATE INCREASES IN THE LAST 24
MONTHS. MY POLICY WAS PERSONALLY $3,500, THEN $7,000, AND NOW $10,000. AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE
FLOOD INSURANCE. >> WHO CAN AFFORD THAT? >> IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE, IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.
>> WE WERE ON SANIBEL ISLAND YESTERDAY AND THE DESTRUCTION IS WIDESPREAD. IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, WHAT HOPE
DO YOU HAVE TO RECOVER FROM THIS? >> IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG ROAD TO RECOVERY.
THE ONES THAT FOREGOED INSURANCE, I'M CERTAIN THAT THERE WILL BE SOME THAT WILL SELL THEIR REAL ESTATE OR THEIR
LAND. >> ALL OF THIS WAS WROUGHT BY A HURRICANE THAT RAPIDLY SPUN ITSELF INTO AN ELECTRIFIED
KILLER. ENERGIZED BY THE WARM WATERS OF THE GULF OF MEXICO, IAN TOOK JUST TWO DAYS TO GROW FROM A
CATEGORY 1 TO A CATEGORY 4 STORM, PACKING 150-MILE-PER-HOUR WINDS AND STIRRING UP A STORM SURGE THAT DROWNED COASTAL
COMMUNITIES IN 12 FEET OF WATER. THAT ONE-TWO PUNCH WAS COMPOUNDED BY CATASTROPHIC RAINS.
THE STORM DUMPED MORE THAN 20 INCHES OVER CENTRAL FLORIDA, SWELLING RIVERS AND FLOODING NEIGHBORHOODS IN A SWATH THAT
STRETCHED ACROSS THE STATE. YOU KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE A MONSTER? >> I DID.
>> AS IAN APPROACHED, TAMPA NATIVE BOBBY QUINN, A FORMER AIR FORCE WEATHER FORECASTER, PRIVATE PILOT, AND TECH COMPANY
FOUNDER, WANTED TO HELP. SO HE DROVE SOUTH INTO THE HEART OF THE HURRICANE. >> IT'S KIND OF HARD TO LEAVE
THIS SPOT. >> AND GOT MORE THAN HE'D BARGAINED FOR. HE SHOT THIS VIDEO ON HIS PHONE.
>> THERE WAS NO PLACE TO GO. THERE WERE TREES FLYING BY WHEN I WAS SITTING IN THE TRUCK, AND WIND THAT WOULD HAVE FLIPPED MY
TRUCK IF I HAD MOVED OUT FROM BEHIND THAT WALL. I TRIED AT ONE POINT, AND THE WHEELS CAME OFF THE GROUND.
>> AFTER 13 HARROWING HOURS, HE STARTED TO PUT HIS TALENTS TO WORK. QUINN RUNS A TAMPA-BASED TECH
STARTUP CALLED PAYPIXL THAT CROWD-SOURCES DRONE IMAGERY AND ORGANIZES IT ON AN APP. WHEN IAN HIT, HE REPURPOSED HIS
SITE SO EVACUEES COULD VIEW IMAGES OF THEIR HOMES AND ASSESS THE DAMAGE, FREE OF CHARGE. >> YOU SEE THE DEBRIS FIELD, YOU
SEE THE DESTRUCTION IN THE BACK. NOW YOU CAN TURN OFF THE SATELLITE IMAGERY AND SEE THE PRE-EVENT.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE STORM. >> HOW ABOUT THAT? >> AND IF WE ADD IN OUR
STREET-LEVEL IMAGERY, SOMEBODY CAN CLICK IN AND SEE WHAT THAT HOUSE LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FRONT AFTER THE STORM.
>> OH, WOW. SO YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE EVENT BEFORE, AFTER, GROUND LEVEL. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> Announcer: AFTER POSTING SOME OF HIS WORK ON SOCIAL MEDIA, HE WAS INUNDATED WITH REQUESTS. MORE THAN 700 CAME FROM A
DENSELY POPULATED, SPIRALING DEVELOPMENT 35 MILES NORTH OF SANIBEL CALLED ROTONDA WEST. >> THIS IS ROTONDA WEST.
THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE PINK DOTS THAT YOU SEE ARE EACH INDIVIDUAL IMAGE THAT WAS TAKEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> TO BUILD HIS DATABASE, QUINN INCORPORATED SATELLITE IMAGES WITH GROUND-LEVEL PICTURES HE TOOK DRIVING SPREADSHEET BY
STREET. >> SO THAT HUGE CIRCLE THAT WE SAW, YOU WERE GOING DOWN EVERY CUL-DE-SAC, GOING UP AND DOWN,
GETTING PICTURES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET? >> EVERY ROAD, EVERY HOUSE. >> HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE YOU?
>> IT TOOK ME NINE HOURS, 117 MILES. >> AND HOW MANY PICTURES DID YOU END UP WITH?
>> JUST OVER 8,000. >> HE FILMED INSIDE SOME HOUSES. >> OH, MAN. >> QUINN'S EFFORTS DIDN'T GO
UNNOTICED. >> IT'S A FOOT DEEP, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TURN BACK. >> HE TOLD US HE'S BEEN
CONTACTED BY AN INSURANCE COMPANY AND FLORIDA'S EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, SEEKING HIS DATA.
>> WHY'D DID YOU DO THIS? >> IF YOU'VE EVER FELT HOPELESSNESS OR DESPAIR OR THE ANXIETY THAT COMES WITH THE
UNKNOWN, YOU KNOW IT'S A TERRIBLE FEELING. WE KNOW THAT WE CAN USE TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY THAT REALLY
HASN'T BEEN USED BEFORE TO GET TO THE RIGHT AUDIENCE, TO GET TO THE LOVED ONES AND FAMILY MEMBERS.
WE WANT TO QUELL THAT ANXIETY FOR THEM. >> A PRESCRIPTION FOR THAT MAY LIE 12 MILES NORTHEAST OF
HARD-HIT FORT MYERS, BABCOCK RANCH IS THE BRAINCHILD OF ECO-CONSCIOUS DEVELOPER AND FORMER PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL
PLAYER SYD KITSON. >> SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS BUILDING, THIS JUST WENT THROUGH A CAT 4 HURRICANE.
>> KITSON AND HIS PARTNERS PURCHASED 91,000 ACRES IN 2006, BIGGER THAN MANHATTAN, WITH A DREAM TO BUILD AMERICA'S FIRST
ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, HURRICANE-PROOF, FULLY SUSTAINABLE SMALL TOWN. >> WE ARE THE FIRST
SOLAR-POWERED TOWN IN AMERICA. WE HAVE A SOLAR FIELD THAT'S 150 MEGAWATTS. BUT THAT'S JUST PART OF THE
STORY. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW? >> ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY -- >> AND YOU'VE GOT PLANS TO GROW TO WHAT? >> ABOUT 50,000 PEOPLE.
>> KITSON RODE OUT THE STORM IN HIS LAKESIDE HOME IN TOWN. >> AND I REMEMBER SITTING HERE. I HAD THE WEATHER ON.
AND THE WEATHER PERSON SAYS, WELL, THIS CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE IS NOW HEADING FOR BABCOCK RANCH.
AND NOT ONLY IS IT HEADING FOR BABCOCK RANCH, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE WALL, WHICH IS THE WORST PLACE
TO BE. >> HOW LONG DID THE HURRICANE SIT OVER YOU? >> IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT TO TEN
HOURS. >> UNBELIEVABLE. YOU CAN BARELY HEAR YOURSELF THINK.
>> HE TOOK THIS VIDEO WITH HIS iPHONE. AT THE HEIGHT OF THE TEMPEST, THERE WERE WHITE CAPS ON THE
LAKE. >> SO AS SOON AS THE SUN CAME UP THE NEXT MORNING, I JUMPED IN MY CAR AND I STARTED DRIVING OUT.
AND THE ONLY DAMAGE WERE A FEW DOWNED TREES AND A FEW SHINGLES OFF THE ROOFS. >> THAT'S IT?
>> THAT'S IT. AND SO OUR RECOVERY WAS MAYBE A DAY? >> BABCOCK RANCH WAS DESIGNED TO
ACCOMMODATE FLORIDA'S ECOSYSTEM WITH INDIGENOUS PLANTS AND NATURAL WATERWAYS FOR DRAINAGE. IT WAS BUILT 25 TO 30 FEET ABOVE
SEA LEVEL TO AVOID STORM SURGES. ALL ELECTRIC AND PHONE LINES ARE BURIED. >> AREN'T YOU JUST LUCKY THAT
YOU HAPPEN TO BE ON A HIGHER LEVEL THAN MOST OF THE PARTS OF FLORIDA THAT GOT WASHED AWAY? >> YES, I THINK THAT'S
IMPORTANT, BUT NOT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WIND AND FLOODING AND RAIN. AND SO IF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE'S
NOT BUILT PROPERLY, YOU WILL HAVE HOMES THAT GET FLOODED. YOU WILL HAVE THAT WIND DAMAGE. >> NO ONE HERE LOST POWER.
SYD KITSON TOOK US TO SEE THIS MASSIVE SOLAR ARRAY. >> WHAT YOU SEE IS 440 ACRES. >> 700,000 PANELS, BUILT BY
FLORIDA'S POWER AND LIGHT. THEY WITHSTOOD IAN'S BRUTAL BATTERING. >> THERE'S A LOT OF WATER, BUT
YOU DON'T SEE A SINGLE PANEL THAT'S BEEN DISLODGED. AND THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF WIND THAT CAME THROUGH HERE OVER
THE LAST FEW DAYS. >> GUSTS OF 150 OR MORE. >> GUSTS OF OVER 150, AND IT DID NOT TAKE A SINGLE PANEL OUT OF
HERE, WHICH IS REALLY JUST >>> IT'S BEEN A TURBULENT FEW MONTHS FOR THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION.
THE SBC IS THE LARGEST EVANGELICAL INSTITUTION IN AMERICA, REPRESENTING 47,000 CHURCHES AND ABOUT 14 MILLION
MEMBERS. BUT IN MAY, IT WAS REVEALED SOME OF ITS NOW FORMER EXECUTIVES HAD IGNORED HUNDREDS OF ALLEGATIONS
OF SEXUAL ABUSE IN SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCHES FOR DECADES. WHEN SBC MEMBERS ELECTED A NEW PRESIDENT IN JUNE, THEY TURNED
TO A SMALL-TOWN TEXAS PASTOR NAMED BART BARBER TO LEAD THEM. WITH A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION INTO THE ABUSE
SCANDAL UNDERWAY, AND MIDTERM ELECTIONS LOOMING, WE WEREN'T SURE HE WOULD WANT TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS WEIGHTY MATTERS OF
CHURCH AND STATE, BUT HE DID. AND, AS YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR, BART BARBER HAS A LOT TO SAY ABOUT FAITH, SCANDAL, AND THE
POLITICAL EXTREMISM THREATENING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. >> BLIND PARTISANSHIP DESTROYS EVERYTHING, EXCEPT BASEBALL.
I'M A ST. LOUIS CARDINALS FAN AND I'M STICKING WITH THAT NO MATTER WHAT. BUT SO MANY THINGS IN CHURCH
LIFE AND BEYOND THAT ARE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO UNITE, TO SOLVE PROBLEMS, AND WE PASS OVER THAT OPPORTUNITY
OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO SHOOT AT THE OTHER TEAM. >> AND YOU SEE THAT FILTERING INTO THE CHURCH?
>> AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY COMING INTO THE WAY THAT PEOPLE IN CHURCHES, WHO OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER, ARE SPEAKING TO ONE
ANOTHER ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THAT AREN'T REALLY THEOLOGICAL. THE BEST CHARACTERIZATION THAT
THEY'RE NOT LISTENING. >> BART BARBER LIVES WITH HIS WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN IN FARMERSVILLE, TEXAS.
>> WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO IS TO USE A KIND OF REGENERATIVE FARMING METHOD. >> HE'S GOT SOME LAND WITH A
DOZEN OR SO COWS. >> IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOME PEOPLE COME TO KNOW CHRIST, THE WAY TO DO IS TO SHARE THE GOSPEL
AND PRAY. >> AND HAS PREACHED EVERY SUNDAY FOR 23 YEARS AT THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, WHICH ONLY HAS
ABOUT 320 MEMBERS. >> WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO TRY TO BECOME THE, THE HEAD OF SBC? >> I BELIEVE THAT THE SOUTHERN
BAPTIST CONVENTION FACES SOME UNIQUE CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW. I FELT LIKE GOD WAS CALLING ME TO TRY TO GIVE LEADERSHIP AT
THIS MOMENT TO HELP SOUTHERN BAPTISTS MOVE FORWARD. >> THE CHAIR DECLARES THE WINNER TO BE BART BARBER, THE NEXT
PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION. WHEN BART BARBER WAS ELECTED SBC PRESIDENT IN JUNE, IT WAS JUST
FOUR WEEKS AFTER AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT SOME FORMER MEMBERS OF THE SBC'S EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, WHICH
OVERSEES BUDGET AND ORGANIZATIONAL ISSUES, HAD FOR DECADES IGNORED HUNDREDS OF CREDIBLE ACCUSATIONS OF SEXUAL
ABUSE IN SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCHES AND SEMINARIES, PARTLY TO AVOID BEING HELD FINANCIALLY LIABLE.
>> THEY ACTUALLY KEPT A LIST OF OVER 700 NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN CREDIBLY ACCUSED. WHAT THEY SAID, THOUGH, IS WE
COULDN'T GIVE THAT TO THE CHURCHES BECAUSE LOCAL CHURCHES HAVE AUTONOMY IN WHO THEY HIRE AND FIRE FOR PASTORS.
WE CAN'T TELL THEM THEY CAN'T HIRE THIS PERSON. >> RYAN BURGE IS AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT EASTERN ILLINOIS
UNIVERSITY, AND AN AMERICAN BAPTIST PASTOR. HE IS ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S LEADING DATA ANALYSTS ON
RELIGION AND POLITICS. >> WERE THEY CALLING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LETTING POLICE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PREDATOR
AT THIS CHURCH IN THIS STATE? >> THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE HAD THE LIST, PUT IT IN A DRAWER, AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT
FOR OVER TEN YEARS. >> THAT'S THE MINDSET THAT WE'RE REPUDIATING AND MOVING AGAINST. >> WHEN YOU READ THAT REPORT AND
TO READ ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO CALL IN TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, TO REPORT ABUSE, FOR THEM TO BE
IGNORED -- >> THAT'S NOT A STRONG ENOUGH WORD. WE DIDN'T JUST IGNORE THEM.
SOMETIMES WE IMPUGNED THEIR MOTIVES. SOMETIMES WE ATTACKED THEM. THE REASON WHY I'M PRESIDENT OF
THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION IS BECAUSE OUR CHURCHES DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT AND HAVE TAKEN ACTION TO CORRECT THOSE THINGS.
>> BART BARBER SAYS HE'S COOPERATING WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S INVESTIGATION AND APPOINTED A NEW NINE-MEMBER
SEXUAL ABUSE TASK FORCE THAT'S BUILDING A REGISTRY FOR CREDIBLE REPORTS OF ABUSE TO HELP CHURCHES TRACK PREDATORS.
>> I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. I'M -- IT'S NOT JUST ANGER. ALTHOUGH I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT.
GOD CALLED ME TO BE A PASTOR WHEN I WAS 11. I BELIEVE IN THIS. FOR PEOPLE TO SULLY THIS HURTS
ME. I'M NOT DOING THIS TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH SOME PR OBJECTIVE FOR US.
I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO SERVE GOD WELL. >> FOR THE NEW PRESIDENT OF THE SBC, THAT MEANS STAYING TRUE TO
HIS DEEP CONSERVATIVE VALUES AND BELIEFS ABOUT THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. >> DO YOU BELIEVE THE 2020
ELECTION WAS STOLEN? >> NO. >> YOU BELIEVE JOE BIDEN IS THE LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES? >> I DO. ABSOLUTELY. I PRAY FOR HIM CONSISTENTLY AS
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I BELIEVE HE WAS LEGITIMATELY ELECTED.
>> BART BARBER TOLD US HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED. HE DOES BELIEVE THAT JOE BIDEN
WAS DULY ELECTED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. >> THAT'S A BIG DEAL. 60% OF WHITE EVANGELICALS
BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN IN 2020. AND MANY, MANY SOUTHERN BAPTISTS GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY
BELIEVING THAT. SOUTHERN BAPTIST PASTORS HAVE BEEN AFRAID TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT FROM THE PULPIT, BECAUSE THEY
KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE OPPOSE THAT IN THE PEWS. HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY VOTERS IS BART BARBER IN A POSITION TO
INFLUENCE? >> AT LEAST 07 MILLION PEOPLE IDENTIFY AS EVANGELICAL TODAY. HE CAN HAVE A HUGE IMPACT WHEN
IT COMES TO WHO THEY VOTE FOR AND WHY THEY VOTE FOR THAT CANDIDATE. >> RYAN BURGE SAYS IN 2016,
EVANGELICALS ACCOUNTED FOR 33% OF ALL VOTES CAST FOR DONALD TRUMP, BUT BART BARBER'S VOTE WAS NOT AMONG THEM.
>> IN 2016, YOU SAID, I THINK IT HURTS THE CREDIBILITY OF MY TESTIMONY FOR ME TO BE A VOCAL SUPPORTER OF A DEMONSTRABLY EVIL
MAN WHOSE CAMPAIGN PLATFORM CONSISTS MAINLY OF HIS EVILNESS. >> YEAH, I DID NOT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN 2016.
AND THAT LAYS OUT MY RATIONALE FOR THAT PRETTY WELL. >> WHAT WAS THE EVILNESS THAT YOU SAW?
>>>> THE WAY HE TREATED WOMEN THAT HAD BEEN DOCUMENTED AT THAT POINT. UH, I THOUGHT THAT A LOT OF THE
RHETORIC WAS ABOUT IMMIGRATION WAS WRONGFUL. A LOT OF SOUTHERN BAPTISTS THOUGHT THAT THE RHETORIC ABOUT
IMMIGRATION WAS WRONGFUL. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRATION? >> YOU EMBRACE IT?
>> I EMBRACE IT. I'M THANKFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE IMMIGRATED. I LIVE IN TEXAS.
I'M SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERMARRIED INTO OUR FAMILIES. THEY MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. >> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IN
2020 YOU DID VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP. >> PART OF WHAT CHANGED IS THAT, UM, THE PRESIDENT ADVOCATED FOR
SOME LEGISLATION ON, UH, SENTENCING REFORM, UH, SOMETHING THAT REALLY ADDRESSED SOME INJUSTICE THAT AFFECTED MINORITY
COMMUNITIES. I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE CONSISTENT PRO-LIFE SUPPORT THAT THE PRESIDENT GAVE.
I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO WALK DOWN AND I'LL BE THERE WITH YOU. >> BARBER DID TELL US WHAT
HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th. >> HANG MIKE PENCE, HEADACHE MIKE PENCE. >> AND DONALD TRUMP'S ROLE IN
IT, HAS HAD A BIG IMPACT ON HIS OPINION OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT NOW. >> I, AND I THINK A LOT OF
SOUTHERN BAPTISTS, WOULD BE THRILLED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT SOMEONE FOR LEADERSHIP IN OUR COUNTRY WHO'S
STRONG ON THE VALUES THAT MATTER TO US, WHO CAN DO THAT WITHOUT PUTTING THE VICE PRESIDENT'S LIFE IN DANGER.
>> YOU WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY WHO PUT HIS VICE PRESIDENT'S LIFE IN DANGER? >> YES.
>> THE CHURCH IS SUPPOSED TO DIRECT THE GOVERNMENT. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO DIRECT THE CHURCH.
>> IT STANDS CONTRARY TO 400 YEARS OF BAPTIST HISTORY AND EVERYTHING I BELIEVE ABOUT RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF CHRISTIAN DOMINION, CHURCHLY DOMINION OVER THE OPERATIONS OF GOVERNMENT.
>> WHY DO YOU OBJECT TO THAT? >> I OBJECT TO IT BECAUSE JESUS SAID HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.
I OBJECT TO IT BECAUSE HISTORICALLY EVERY TIME IT'S BEEN ADOPTED IT WOUND UP PERSECUTING PEOPLE LIKE ME.
DOESN'T STOP AT PERSECUTING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. IT EVENTUALLY WINDS UP PERSECUTING PEOPLE WHO ARE
CHRISTIANS FOR WHOM THE FLAVOR OF THEIR CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF THE GOVERNMENT.
>> SUPPORT FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE WAS A FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLE FOR BAPTISTS WHO FACED RELIGIOUS
PERSECUTION IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA IN THE 1600s. BAPTISTS SPLIT IN 1845 OVER SLAVERY, WHICH IS WHEN THE
SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION WAS FOUNDED. THE SBC SUPPORTED SLAVERY, AND LATER SEGREGATION.
ONABORTION IN THE SBCs OPPOSITION HAS HARDENED OVER THE YEARS. IN 1971 THEY MADE EXCEPTIONS IN
CASES WHERE THERE WAS, QUOTE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF DAMAGE TO THE EMOTIONAL, MENTAL, AND PHYSICAL HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.
>> BUT IN 1980, THEY NARROWED THAT EXCEPTION ONLY TO CASES WHERE A PREGNANCY THREATENED THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.
BART BARBER SAYS HE STANDS BY THAT TODAY. OUR INTEREST WITH ABORTION IS NOT -- IS NOT TO POLICE
EVERYBODY'S SEX LIFE. OUR INTEREST WITH ABORTION IS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT'S A HUMAN PERSON WHO DESERVES TO LIVE.
THERE WAS JUST THE CASE RECENTLY, A 10-YEAR-OLD GIRL WHO'S RAPED, BARRED FROM HAVING AN ABORTION IN OHIO.
WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE IN, IN INDIANA. I MEAN, THIS IS A LITTLE GIRL WHO, SHE HAS A RIGHT TO LIFE
TOO. SURE. >> EVEN IN THAT CASE YOU THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE THE CHILD?
>> I DO. >> SHE SHOULD BE FORCED TO HAVE THE CHILD? >> I THINK, UM, I DON'T WANT
THAT TO SOUND LIKE I DON'T HAVE TREMENDOUS COMPASSION FOR HER AND HER CIRCUMSTANCE. I WISH WE COULD PUT AN END TO
10-YEAR-OLDS BEING RAPED. I'M TRYING TO WORK AGAINST SEXUAL ABUSE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ATROCIOUS.
>> BUT YOU DON'T SEE FORCING A 10-YEAR-OLD CHILD TO GO TO TERM WITH A BABY FROM RAPE, AS ABUSE OF A CHILD.
>> I SEE IT AS HORRIBLE. I SEE IT AS PREFERABLE TO KILLING SOMEONE ELSE. >> NOT SURPRISINGLY, BARBER AND
THE SBC, OPPOSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. >> WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE IDEA OF GENDER IS A GIFT FROM GOD.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE IDEA THAT MEN AND WOMEN OUGHT TO BE UNITED WITH ONE ANOTHER IN MARRIAGE. >> DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT GAY
PEOPLE CAN BE, SHOULD BE CONVERTED OUT OF BEING GAY? >> I BELIEVE THAT SINNERS SHOULD BE CONVERTED OUT OF BEING
SINNERS, AND THAT APPLIES TO ALL OF US. >> CAN SOMEBODY BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN, A MEMBER OF THE
SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION AND BE GAY, OR LET'SBIAN AND MARRIE TO A PERSON OF THE SAME SEX? >> NO.
>> IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >> CAN A GOOD CHRISTIAN IN GOOD CONSCIENCE VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP IN 2024?
BEFORE WE LEFT, WE ASKED BART BARBER ONE LAST TIME ABOUT HOW WE'LL VOTE. >> I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO
SPECULATE ABOUT THAT. WHO ARE THE OTHER CHOICES? >> AHEAD OF THE ELECTION IN 2016, YOU SAID WHO YOU WERE
GOING TO VOTE FOR. IN 2020 YOU SAID WHO YOU VOTED FOR. NOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY WHO
YOU'D VOTE FOR? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SOMEBODY SEEING THIS IS GOING TO THINK, OH, WELL, THAT'S --
>> WHY ARE YOU HEDGING IT NOW? >>>> THAT'S -- THAT'S POLITICAL. >> IT'S NOT POLITICAL CALCULATION.
THE FACT THAT IN 2016 I COULD SAY SOMETHING AND I WAS SPEAKING ONLY FOR MYSELF. AND NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, UM,
50,000 CHURCHES OF PEOPLE I LOVE ARE REPRESENTED BY ME WHEN I SPEAK. AND SO DO I FEEL A SENSE OF
NEEDING TO BE MORE WISE AND CAREFUL ABOUT THINGS THAT I SAY NOW? ABSOLUTELY I DO.
HAVE EVANGELICALS SOLD THEIR SOUL IN ORDER TO SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP? >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE HAD
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>>> 11 YEARS AGO, OUR LATE COLLEAGUE BOB SIMON DESCRIBED ST. LOUIS CARDINALS FIRST BASEMAN ALBERT PUJOLS AS, ONE OF
THE GREATEST BASEBALL PLAYERS WHO EVER LIVED. WELL, THIS SEASON AT 41 AFTER YEARS PLAYING ON THE WEST COAST,
PUJOLS CAME HOME TO THE CARDINALS FOR HIS FINAL SEASON. HE SMASHED HIS 700th HOMERUN, THEN NUMBERS 701, 702, AND 703
JOINING BARRY BONDS, HANK AARON, AND BABE RUTH IN THAT ELITE CIRCLE. AN 11-TIME ALL-STAR, LEGENDARY
FOR HIS WORK ETHIC AND ADMIRED FOR HIS CHARITIES, ALBERT PUJOLS WAS, AMAZINGLY, CHOSEN 402nd IN THE 1999 BASEBALL DRAFT.
>> WHAT DRIVES ALBERT? HE SAYS HE'S STILL SEETHING ABOUT HOW HE WAS SNUBBED IN THAT '99 DRAFT.
>> YOU'LL NEVER GET OVER IT, HUH? >> NEVER, NEVER. >> PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT IT'S
REALLY A BAD IDEA TO GET YOU ANGRY.