1 00:00:10,043 --> 00:00:20,854 >>> WITH MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN JUST TWO DAYS, AMERICA IS IN A VERY ANGRY MOMENT. REPUBLICANS ATTACK DEMOCRATS, 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:28,595 AND DEMOCRATS RETURN FIRE. SOCIAL MEDIA IS A SHOWCASE OF OUR ANGER, AND IT'S EVERYWHERE, AND IT'S EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING 3 00:00:28,661 --> 00:00:44,377 AMERICA'S SCHOOLS. >> AS A PROFESSOR, WHAT DO YOU DO? >> I JUST AVOID CONTROVERSIAL 4 00:00:44,444 --> 00:00:48,581 >>> THIS SUMMER, BUSES LARGELY PAID FOR BY THE STATE OF TEXAS IN THE CITY OF EL PASO STARTED ARRIVING IN MANHATTAN FILLED 5 00:00:48,648 --> 00:00:52,819 WITH THOUSANDS OF VENEZUELANS WHO HOPED TO BE GRANTED ASYLUM. BUT THEY WERE STEPPING INTO A CITY STILL STRUGGLING WITH 6 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:57,023 COVID, CRIME, AND AN UNSTABLE ECONOMY. AND AN ASYLUM SYSTEM THAT'S DESPERATELY BACKLOGGED AND 7 00:00:57,090 --> 00:01:01,327 BROKEN. >> IS THIS A DEMOCRATIC FAILURE, A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION FAILURE? 8 00:01:01,394 --> 00:01:10,403 >> IT'S BOTH. >> WHEN THE SUN RISES ON AMERICA POST-NEXT MAJOR CRISIS, THE MONEYED CLASS WILL FIND COMFORT 9 00:01:10,470 --> 00:01:18,244 HERE. "60 MINUTES" WAS SHOWN A DECOMMISSIONED NUCLEAR MISSILE SILO WITH 16,000 POUND DOORS AND 10 00:01:18,311 --> 00:01:24,717 LUXURY APARTMENTS BURIED DEEP UNDERGROUND. THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT, THEY'LL FEEL FINE SITTING 11 00:01:24,784 --> 00:01:31,925 POOLSIDE. UNLESS THEY PREFER TO GO ROCK CLIMBING. THE SURVIVAL CONDO HAS ARMED 12 00:01:31,991 --> 00:01:38,765 GUARDS AT THE GATE, AND A FIVE-YEAR SUPPLY OF STORED FOOD. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. 13 00:01:38,832 --> 00:01:47,974 >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. I'M JON WERTHEIM. I'M SCOTT PELLEY. 14 00:01:48,041 --> 00:01:59,385 >> THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." >>> WITH MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN JUST TWO DAYS, AMERICA IS IN A 15 00:01:59,452 --> 00:02:08,394 VERY ANGRY MOMENT. REPUBLICANS ATTACK DEMOCRATS, AND DEMOCRATS RETURN FIRE. SOCIAL MEDIA IS A SHOWCASE OF 16 00:02:08,461 --> 00:02:18,938 OUR ANGER, AN ANALYSIS BY THE "NEW YORK TIMES" THIS FALL FOUND THAT ONLINE USE OF THE PHRASE "CIVIL WAR" HAS EXPLODED. 17 00:02:19,005 --> 00:02:27,380 NOW, LEADING VOICES IN ACADEMIA AND TECH ARE SAYING THAT RATHER THAN SIMPLY REFLECTING THE POLARIZATION IN SOCIETY, 18 00:02:27,447 --> 00:02:33,186 PLATFORMS LIKE FACEBOOK AND TWITTER ARE HELPING TO CREATE IT. "60 MINUTES" FIRST MET TRISTAN 19 00:02:33,253 --> 00:02:42,762 HARRIS IN 2017. THE CO-FOUNDER OF THE CENTER FOR HUMANE TECHNOLOGY ARGUED THAT SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS WERE 20 00:02:42,829 --> 00:02:50,570 ADDICTING US TO MAXIMIZE PROFIT. NOW HE'S WARNING, THEY ARE GENERATING BILLIONS BY MAKING US ANGRY. 21 00:02:50,637 --> 00:02:55,842 >> THE MORE MORAL OUTRAGEOUS LANGUAGE YOU USE, THE MORE INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE, CONTEMPTUOUS LANGUAGE, THE MORE 22 00:02:55,909 --> 00:03:04,384 INDIGNATION YOU USE, THE MORE IT WILL GET SHARED. SO WE ARE BEING REWARDED FOR BEING DIVISION ENTREPRENEURS. 23 00:03:04,450 --> 00:03:12,292 THE BETTER YOU ARE AT INNOVATING A NEW WAY TO BE DIVISIVE, WE WILL PAY YOU IN MORE LIKES, FOLLOWERS AND RETWEETS. 24 00:03:12,358 --> 00:03:18,631 >> IN HIS 2020 DOCUMENTARY, "THE SOCIAL DILEMMA," TRISTAN HARRIS MADE THE CASE THAT SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS HAVE HIJACKED OUR 25 00:03:18,698 --> 00:03:27,040 ATTENTION. NOW, HE CITES A NEW STUDY OF TWITTER SHOWING THAT ATTACKING POLITICAL OPPONENTS IS ALMOST 26 00:03:27,106 --> 00:03:34,981 GUARANTEED TO DRAW ATTENTION. >> EACH INDIVIDUAL TERM REFERRING TO YOUR POLITICAL OUT-GROUP INCREASED THE ODDS OF 27 00:03:35,048 --> 00:03:44,457 THAT POST BEING RE-TWEETED OR RESHARED BY 67%. >> YOUR OUT-GROUP BEING -- >> OPPONENTS, THE OTHER SIDE. 28 00:03:44,524 --> 00:03:52,365 >> THESE PLATFORMS, ARE THEY NOT JUST REFLECTING WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE THINK AND THE DIVISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE? 29 00:03:52,432 --> 00:04:00,873 >> THEY'RE SUPER-CHARGING 100 OR 1,000 TIMES TO ONE THE WORST PARTS OF OURSELVES. >> HERE'S AN EXAMPLE FROM THE 30 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:05,812 DAY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE RELEASED A PHOTO SHOWING CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S FLORIDA 31 00:04:05,878 --> 00:04:14,587 HOME. A TWEET HIGHLIGHTING A STRAIGHT NEWS STORY ON THE SUBJECT RECEIVED ABOUT 2,000 "LIKES." 32 00:04:14,654 --> 00:04:27,734 BUT A TWEET FROM A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSWOMAN CALLING TRUMP'S OPPONENTS "DUMBASSES" WAS LIKE TEN TIMES AS MUCH. 33 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:34,040 AND A TWEET FROM THE LEFT LABELLING DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR WAS "LIKED" 20 TIMES MORE. >> THE STRAIGHT NEWS STORY, YOU 34 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:38,244 KNOW, GOT RE-TWEETED A COUPLE OF TIMES. THE ANGRY STORIES, EXPONENTIALLY MORE TWEETS. 35 00:04:38,311 --> 00:04:45,752 >> EXACTLY, EXACTLY. >> AND, HARRIS SAYS, ANGER SKEWS THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE. >> WHY IS IT THAT THE WORLD 36 00:04:45,818 --> 00:04:53,026 KNOWS MORE ABOUT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE THAN THEY KNOW ABOUT ALL THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES? 37 00:04:53,092 --> 00:04:56,729 IT'S BECAUSE THE ENRAGING INFLAMMATORY STUFF GOES THE MOST VIRAL. >> WE ARE TRIBAL CREATURES WHO 38 00:04:56,796 --> 00:05:02,068 LOVE TO DO US VERSUS THEM. AND WE'RE NOW LEARNING TO CO-EXIST WITH A TECHNOLOGY THAT TRIES TO FORCE THAT DOWN OUR 39 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:08,441 THROAT, THAT TRIES TO MAKE US ANGRY ALL THE TIME. >> JONATHAN HAIDT IS A SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGIST AND PROFESSOR AT 40 00:05:08,508 --> 00:05:17,383 NYU'S STERN SCHOOL OF BUSINESS. IN STUDYING SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS' DRIVE TO KEEP US GLUED TO OUR DEVICES, AND TO 41 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:26,359 THEIR ADS, HE TRACES OUR CURRENT TROUBLES TO THE INVENTION OF THE "LIKE," "SHARE" AND "RE-TWEET" FEATURES A DECADE AGO. 42 00:05:26,426 --> 00:05:33,232 >> THESE CHANGES IN THE TECHNOLOGY THAT MADE EVERYTHING MUCH MORE VIRAL AND EXPLOSIVE, IT'S AS THOUGH IT GAVE EVERYBODY 43 00:05:33,299 --> 00:05:40,640 A DART GUN. IT'S LIKE IT GAVE EVERYBODY THE ABILITY TO COMPLAIN, ATTACK, CRITICIZE ANYONE AT ANY TIME IN 44 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:49,082 A VERY SHORT SPACE WITH NO NEED FOR EVIDENCE, NO ACCOUNTABILITY. >> HAIDT SAYS THE PEOPLE MOST LIKELY TO FIRE THEIR SOCIAL 45 00:05:49,148 --> 00:05:55,922 MEDIA DART GUNS ARE THOSE ON THE FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR LEFT. >> WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION ARE THEY? 46 00:05:55,988 --> 00:06:01,260 >> IT'S ABOUT 7% OR 8% ON EACH SIDE. >> THAT'S IT? >> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 47 00:06:01,327 --> 00:06:05,998 >> SO THE EXTREMES HAVE BEEN HANDED THE POWER TO DOMINATE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE FEWER IN NUMBER? 48 00:06:06,065 --> 00:06:14,474 >> THAT'S RIGHT, EXACTLY. >> THE MODERATE MAJORITY, HAIDT SAYS, IS EITHER EXHAUSTED OR INTIMIDATED. 49 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:20,780 >> IT'S WHAT I CALL THE STRUCTURAL STUPIDITY. THAT IS, YOU HAVE VERY SMART PEOPLE HIGHLY EDUCATED, HIGHLY 50 00:06:20,847 --> 00:06:26,085 INTELLIGENT, BUT YOU PUT THEM IN A SITUATION IN WHICH DISSENT IS PUNISHED SEVERELY. AND WHAT HAPPENS? 51 00:06:26,152 --> 00:06:32,425 THEY GO SILENT. AND WHEN THE MODERATES OR WHEN ANYONE IS AFRAID TO QUESTION THE DOMINANT VIEW, THE ORGANIZATION, 52 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:40,867 THE INSTITUTION, GETS STUPID. >> TAKE THE CASE OF RONALD SULLIVAN, A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, WHO WAS ALSO THE 53 00:06:40,933 --> 00:06:49,809 FACULTY DEAN OF WINTHROP HOUSE, AN UNDERGRADUATE RESIDENCE HALL. IN JANUARY 2019, SULLIVAN JOINED HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S SEXUAL 54 00:06:49,876 --> 00:06:57,216 ASSAULT DEFENSE TEAM, UNDER THE PRINCIPLE THAT EVERY ACCUSED CRIMINAL IS ENTITLED TO A ROBUST DEFENSE. 55 00:06:57,283 --> 00:07:08,361 >> SO AT HARVARD, SOME STUDENTS OBJECTED. NOW, GREAT, LET THEM OBJECT TO RON SULLIVAN DEFENDING HARVEY 56 00:07:08,427 --> 00:07:13,666 WEINSTEIN. THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IN, IN SCHOOL. YOU SHOULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT. 57 00:07:13,733 --> 00:07:18,404 AND THEN HE CAN ANSWER BACK. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT A HARVARD 58 00:07:18,471 --> 00:07:23,142 UNDERGRAD DEMANDED IN A FACEBOOK POST THAT SULLIVAN STEP DOWN AS DEAN, CALLING HIS DEFENSE OF WEINSTEIN DEEPLY TRAUMA-INDUCING 59 00:07:23,209 --> 00:07:31,584 FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS. >> THE STUDENTS USE A DISCOURSE, A DIALOGUE, OF "HE IS DANGEROUS, HIS PRESENCE NEAR ME IS 60 00:07:31,651 --> 00:07:43,863 THREATENING TO ME." WITHIN A FEW MONTHS, HARVARD RESPONDED BY REMOVING SULLIVAN AS DEAN OF THE RESIDENCE HALL. 61 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:48,634 IT'S NOT JUST PROFESSORS ON THE FIRING LINE. IN A RECENT SURVEY, MORE THAN HALF OF COLLEGE STUDENTS SAID 62 00:07:48,701 --> 00:07:53,973 THEY'RE AFRAID TO EXPRESS VIEWS ON POLITICAL AND SOCIAL ISSUES IN THE CLASSROOM. >> AS A PROFESSOR, WHAT DO YOU 63 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,076 DO? >> I JUST AVOID CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS. >> REALLY? 64 00:07:57,143 --> 00:08:01,881 >> YES. >> ISN'T THAT WHAT COLLEGE IS FOR? >> IT USED TO BE. 65 00:08:01,948 --> 00:08:08,221 >> TRISTAN HARRIS SAYS THE INTIMIDATION AND ANGER CUT ACROSS POLITICAL LINES. >> I THINK THE DEEPEST, LIKE 66 00:08:08,287 --> 00:08:14,026 PERVERSE THING ABOUT THESE PLATFORMS IS THAT THEY HAVE CAPTURED THE MEANING OF SOCIAL PARTICIPATION IN SOCIETY. 67 00:08:14,093 --> 00:08:19,298 THAT THEY'VE COLONIZED AND PRIVATIZED THAT SOCIAL PARTICIPATION MEANS I'M ON TIKTOK, I'M ON INSTAGRAM, I'M ON 68 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:27,206 FACEBOOK. >> AND COMPETITION IS FIERCE AMONG THOSE PLATFORMS FOR OUR ATTENTION, AND FOR THE 69 00:08:27,273 --> 00:08:33,546 ADVERTISING DOLLARS THAT ATTENTION GENERATES. >> FACEBOOK ISN'T SAYING, "LET ME MAKE DESIGN DECISIONS THAT 70 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:37,450 ARE GOING TO STRENGTHEN DEMOCRACY." THEY'RE SAYING, HOW DO I EVOLVE THE PRODUCT IN A DIRECTION THAT 71 00:08:37,516 --> 00:08:43,556 WILL GET MORE ENGAGEMENT FROM PEOPLE? BECAUSE IF I DON'T DO THAT, I'M JUST GOING TO LOSE TO THE 72 00:08:43,623 --> 00:08:49,395 COMPANIES THAT DO. >> COMPANIES LIKE TIKTOK. >> COMPANIES LIKE TIKTOK. AND TIKTOK HAS BECOME, LIKE, ONE 73 00:08:49,462 --> 00:08:57,303 OF THE MOST POPULAR APPS AROUND THE ENTIRE WORLD. >> TIKTOK HAS DONE THAT BY SERVING UP AN ADDICTIVE MIX OF 74 00:08:57,370 --> 00:09:08,948 SHORT VIDEOS. SOME ARE SILLY, OTHERS ARE OVERTLY POLITICAL. IT'S OWNED BY A CHINESE COMPANY 75 00:09:09,015 --> 00:09:17,957 CALLED BYTEDANCE, AND HARRIS SAYS THE VERSION THAT'S SERVED TO CHINESE CONSUMERS, CALLED DOUYIN, IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM 76 00:09:18,024 --> 00:09:28,668 THE ONE AVAILABLE IN THE WEST. >> IN THEIR VERSION OF TIKTOK, IF YOU'RE UNDER 14 YEARS OLD, THEY SHOW YOU SCIENCE 77 00:09:28,734 --> 00:09:36,709 EXPERIMENTS YOU CAN DO AT HOME, MUSEUM EXHIBITS, PATRIOTISM VIDEOS AND EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS. THEY ALSO LIMIT IT TO ONLY 40 78 00:09:36,776 --> 00:09:41,447 MINUTES PER DAY. NOW THEY DON'T SHIP THAT VERSION OF TIKTOK TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. 79 00:09:41,514 --> 00:09:46,719 SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY RECOGNIZE THAT TECHNOLOGY'S INFLUENCING KIDS' DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY MAKE THEIR DOMESTIC 80 00:09:46,786 --> 00:09:52,558 VERSION A SPINACH VERSION OF TIKTOK, WHILE THEY SHIP THE OPIUM VERSION TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. 81 00:09:52,625 --> 00:09:58,364 >> THE VERSION SERVED TO THE WEST HAS KIDS HOOKED FOR HOURS AT A TIME. THE IMPACT, HARRIS SAYS, IS 82 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:06,272 PREDICTABLE. >> THERE'S A SURVEY OF PRETEENS IN THE U.S. AND CHINA ASKING, WHAT IS THE MOST ASPIRATIONAL 83 00:10:06,339 --> 00:10:13,145 CAREER THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE? AND THE U.S. THE NUMBER ONE WAS INFLUENCER. >> SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCER. 84 00:10:13,212 --> 00:10:19,485 >> AND IN CHINA THE NUMBER ONE WAS ASTRONAUT. AGAIN, YOU ALLOW THOSE TWO SOCIETIES TO PLAY OUT FOR A FEW 85 00:10:19,552 --> 00:10:24,190 GENERATIONS, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOUR WORLD IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. TIKTOK TELLS US IT GIVES 86 00:10:24,256 --> 00:10:29,996 AMERICAN USERS TOOLS TO LIMIT SCREEN TIME. BUT THOSE TOOLS ARE ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY. 87 00:10:30,062 --> 00:10:37,903 AND NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS HAVE TRIGGERED NEW CALLS THIS PAST WEEK FOR TIKTOK TO BE BANNED IN THE U.S. 88 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:43,709 TWITTER POINTS OUT THAT IT ASKS USERS TO THINK TWICE BEFORE SHARING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL POSTS. 89 00:10:43,776 --> 00:10:50,016 BUT WITHIN DAYS OF BUYING TWITTER, ELON MUSK TWEETED A CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT THE ATTACK ON SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI'S 90 00:10:50,082 --> 00:10:58,457 HUSBAND. IT WAS LATER DELETED. >> AND FACEBOOK SAYS IT HAS CUT THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF POLITICAL 91 00:10:58,524 --> 00:11:05,398 CONTENT THAT ITS 240 MILLION AMERICAN USERS SEE. MONIKA BICKERT IS ITS HEAD OF CONTENT POLICY. 92 00:11:05,464 --> 00:11:12,772 >> MOST PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK DON'T WANT TO SEE POLITICAL CONTENT. THEY ARE FOLLOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE LIVES OF THEIR 93 00:11:12,838 --> 00:11:20,679 FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND SHARING THE MOMENTS FROM THEIR LIVES. >> AND, BICKERT SAYS, FACEBOOK DOES TAKE STEPS TO DOWNPLAY THE 94 00:11:20,746 --> 00:11:34,393 ANGRIEST POSTS. >> CAN YOU FIND ANGRY POLITICAL CONTENT ONLINE? >> YOU CAN. 95 00:11:34,460 --> 00:11:40,199 CAN YOU WALK INTO THE AVERAGE FAMILY'S THANKSGIVING DINNER AND HEAR PEOPLE HAVING AN ANGRY POLITICAL CONVERSATION? 96 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:46,005 YOU CAN. >> TRISTAN HARRIS SAYS THAT ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ARE MAKING THOSE CONVERSATIONS EVEN 97 00:11:46,072 --> 00:11:53,379 MORE HEATED. >> WHAT I THINK THERE'S BEEN A FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE IS THE DIRECT CONFLICT BETWEEN AN 98 00:11:53,446 --> 00:11:59,185 ENGAGEMENT-FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS MODEL AND WHAT'S GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY. ANOTHER WAY YOU COULD SAY IT IS 99 00:11:59,251 --> 00:12:04,523 THAT THE BUSINESS MODEL IS TO RUIN THANKSGIVING DINNER. >> WE ARE AS DIVIDED AS I CAN REMEMBER IN MY LIFETIME. 100 00:12:04,590 --> 00:12:09,328 >> YEAH. A LOTTA PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, HOLD ON A SECOND. PARTISANSHIP AND DIVISION, WE'VE 101 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:14,600 HAD THAT IN MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT HISTORY. >> ALWAYS. >> ALWAYS. 102 00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:21,674 THAT'S TRUE. ALSO, HAS PARTNERSHIP IN TELEVISION AND RADIO PRE-EXISTED SOCIAL MEDIA? 103 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:25,611 YES. HAVE WE EVER WIRED UP THE MOST POWERFUL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IN THE WORLD, POINTED IT AT YOUR 104 00:12:25,678 --> 00:12:37,256 BRAINSTEM TO SHOW YOU THE MOST ENRAGING CONTENT ON A DAILY BASIS, AND THE LONGER YOU SCROLL THE MORE YOU GET? 105 00:12:37,323 --> 00:12:44,063 WE HAVE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. >> FACEBOOK'S MONIKA BICKERT INSISTS IT'S JUST WRONG TO BLAME IT FOR AMERICA'S ANGER. 106 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:49,335 >> ALSO, IF WE LOOK AT WHO'S BECOMING MORE POLARIZED IN THE UNITED STATES, THE GREATEST INCREASE IS AMONG PEOPLE OVER 107 00:12:49,401 --> 00:12:54,607 THE AGE OF 65. AND THEY ARE THE LEAST LIKELY TO BE USING SOCIAL MEDIA. >> MANY PEOPLE WATCHING US WILL 108 00:12:54,673 --> 00:12:58,844 SAY, WELL, I DON'T USE SOCIAL MEDIA. WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT THIS? BUT WE'RE ALL DOWNSTREAM FROM 109 00:12:58,911 --> 00:13:04,150 SOCIAL MEDIA AFFECTING TELEVISION, AFFECTING RADIO, AFFECTING JOURNALISM. MORE AND MORE OF JOURNALISM IS 110 00:13:04,216 --> 00:13:10,489 ABOUT COVERING THE OUTRAGE EXCHANGE OF WHAT HAPPENED ON TWITTER. HARRIS BELIEVES THE BEST PATH TO 111 00:13:10,556 --> 00:13:16,795 REFORM WOULD BE STRICTER GOVERNMENT REGULATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, OR AT LEAST A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE MORE 112 00:13:16,862 --> 00:13:24,737 TRANSPARENT. NOW FACEBOOK WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY NOW, THAT'S NOT CONVINCING? 113 00:13:24,803 --> 00:13:29,475 >> THEY PUBLISH REPORTS THAT THEY DEFINE WHAT THE METRICS ARE. AND IT'S LIKE GRADING YOUR OWN 114 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:42,688 HOMEWORK. HARRIS HAS LAUNCHED AN ONLINE COURSE WHICH AIMS TO GIVE PEOPLE WORKING IN TECH THE TOOLS TO 115 00:13:42,755 --> 00:13:47,927 PUSH FOR REFORM FROM WITHIN. AND WHAT CAN AN INDIVIDUAL USER DO? JONATHAN HAIDT SAYS, SIMPLY 116 00:13:47,993 --> 00:13:53,199 REFUSE TO BE GLADIATORS IN THE COLISEUM OF SOCIAL MEDIA. >> YOU CAN'T WIN A WAR ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 117 00:13:53,265 --> 00:13:59,505 JUST DON'T ENGAGE. DON'T ENGAGE IN THE PUBLIC BATTLES BECAUSE THAT'S JUST FEEDING THE BEAST. 118 00:13:59,572 --> 00:14:09,348 >> YOU DON'T MEAN DISENGAGE FROM THE POLITICAL PROCESS. YOU -- YOU MEAN JUST DISENGAGE FROM THESE PLATFORMS? 119 00:14:09,415 --> 00:14:14,086 >> YES. WHEN PUBLIC DISCOURSE WAS MOVED INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROMAN COLISEUM, I'M SAYING DISENGAGE 120 00:14:14,153 --> 00:14:21,760 FROM THAT. WALK OUT OF IT AND STILL BE POLITICALLY ACTIVE. TRISTAN HARRIS SAYS REAL CHANGE 121 00:14:21,827 --> 00:14:27,166 MAY HAVE TO BE FORCED IN COURT. I THINK WE HAVE TO DO WITH SOCIAL MEDIA WHAT WE HAPPENED WITH BIG TOBACCO. 122 00:14:27,233 --> 00:14:33,505 WHAT STOPPED BIG TOBACCO WAS THAT THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL IN DIFFERENT STATES -- >> THAT'S RIGHT. 123 00:14:33,572 --> 00:14:37,209 >> -- ACTUALLY WENT AFTER THEM. THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL IN BIG TOBACCO HAD AN ENORMOUS ROLE TO PLAY IN LITIGATING THAT THERE 124 00:14:37,276 --> 00:14:41,714 WAS HARMS TO PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES. >> IS THAT WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE WITH -- 125 00:14:41,780 --> 00:14:46,685 >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE WITH SOCIAL MEDIA. >> SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES? >> YES. 126 00:14:46,752 --> 00:14:52,491 AND WE'RE SEEING ATTORNEYS GENERAL MOVE ALREADY ONE STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. >> ATTORNEYS GENERAL IN AT LEAST 127 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:56,695 EIGHT STATES ARE COORDINATING A NATIONWIDE INVESTIGATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. >> WE NOW KNOW THAT THERE'S ALL 128 00:14:56,762 --> 00:15:01,767 THESE HARMS IN SOCIAL MEDIA PRODUCTS DESIGNED FOR ENGAGEMENT. WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. 129 00:15:01,834 --> 00:15:06,272 WE DID IT WITH SEATBELTS. WE'VE DONE IT WITH BIG TOBACCO. WE'VE TAKEN LEAD OUT OF GASOLINE. 130 00:15:06,338 --> 00:15:17,316 WE HAVE MADE THESE CHANGES ONCE WE RECOGNIZED THAT CERTAIN PRODUCTS WERE TOXIC FOR US. WE CAN DO IT AGAIN. 131 00:15:17,383 --> 00:15:21,553 >> THE GOVERNMENT REGULATION THAT TRISTAN HARRIS SAYS IS NEEDED -- >> I DON'T MEAN REGULATE SPEECH 132 00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:33,132 OR CENSORSHIP. >> AT 60MINUTESOVERTIME.COM, SPONSORED BY PFIZER. >>> FOR MONTHS, BUSES FROM THE 133 00:15:33,198 --> 00:15:38,904 U.S./MEXICO BORDER, CARRYING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA HAVE BEEN ARRIVING 134 00:15:38,971 --> 00:15:45,744 IN NEW YORK, CHICAGO, AND WASHINGTON D.C. THEY WERE ORGANIZED BY THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS OF TEXAS 135 00:15:45,811 --> 00:15:54,453 AND ARIZONA AND THE DEMOCRATIC MAYOR OF EL PASO. AND PAID FOR MOSTLY BY TAXPAYERS. 136 00:15:54,520 --> 00:16:04,797 GREG ABBOTT, TEXAS' GOVERNOR, SAYS THE BUSES WOULD GIVE LIBERALS SANCTUARY CITIES A TASTE OF WHAT HIS STATE HAS HAD 137 00:16:04,863 --> 00:16:10,636 TO DEAL WITH FOR YEARS. MANY COMING TO HIS STATE WERE VENEZUELANS AND HOPING TO APPLY FOR ASYLUM. 138 00:16:10,703 --> 00:16:15,941 BUT THE PROCESS CAN TAKE YEARS. AND FOR MUCH OF THAT TIME, THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO WORK. CARING FOR THESE NEW ARRIVALS 139 00:16:16,008 --> 00:16:21,180 HAS BEEN A BIG CHALLENGE, AND IT'S DRAWN ATTENTION TO A LONGSTANDING AND BIPARTISAN FAILURE TO FIX THE NATION'S 140 00:16:21,246 --> 00:16:29,621 BROKEN ASYLUM SYSTEM. WHEN THE BUSES BEGAN ARRIVING AT NEW YORK CITY'S PORT AUTHORITY TERMINAL FROM TEXAS WITHOUT 141 00:16:29,688 --> 00:16:36,462 WARNING IN AUGUST, CITY OFFICIALS HAD TO SCRAMBLE. ON SOME DAYS, AS MANY AS EIGHT TO TEN BUSES ROLLED IN, FILLED 142 00:16:36,528 --> 00:16:43,335 WITH MEN AND WOMEN CARRYING CHILDREN, BUT NO LUGGAGE. LAST MONTH WE MET AN ENGINEER, A TAXI DRIVER, SOME COLLEGE 143 00:16:43,402 --> 00:16:51,777 STUDENTS, AND CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. THEY WERE WELCOMED BY SPANISH-SPEAKING VOLUNTEERS FROM 144 00:16:51,844 --> 00:17:06,091 NONPROFIT GROUPS WHO GAVE THEM WATER, FOOD, AND DONATED WINTER COATS. STANDING NEARBY THIS WOMAN WAS 145 00:17:06,158 --> 00:17:11,330 CRYING. SHE TOLD VOLUNTEERS SHE HAD BEEN SEPARATED FROM HER HUSBAND AND 18-YEAR-OLD SON BY BORDER 146 00:17:11,397 --> 00:17:17,136 OFFICIALS IN TEXAS. HER 7-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WAS WITH HER. TO GET TO THE U.S., LIKE MANY 147 00:17:17,202 --> 00:17:21,840 VENEZUELANS, THEY HAD MADE THEIR WAY THROUGH SEVEN LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES AND A PERILOUS STRETCH OF JUNGLE. 148 00:17:21,907 --> 00:17:27,146 >> Translator: IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. BECAUSE IN THE JUNGLE, WE RAN OUT OF FOOD AND WE RAN OUT OF 149 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:32,885 WATER. AND A CHILD WAS SHOT. THERE WERE A LOT OF DEAD PEOPLE. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME 150 00:17:32,951 --> 00:17:37,156 EMIGRATING, AND I DID NOT KNOW HUMANS WERE CAPABLE OF SO MUCH EVIL. >> HOW WERE YOU TREATED WHEN YOU 151 00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:49,802 CROSSED THE BORDER IN THE U.S.? >> Translator: WELL, YOU CAN INTERPRET MY SILENCE. YOU CAN INTERPRET MY SILENCE. 152 00:17:49,868 --> 00:17:55,040 I DIDN'T LIKE BEING SEPARATED FROM MY SON. >> GOMEZ TOLD US SHE WAS THANKFUL FOR THE KINDNESS 153 00:17:55,107 --> 00:17:59,778 VOLUNTEERS AT PORT AUTHORITY HAD SHOWN HER. THEY EVEN HAD GIVEN HER DAUGHTER A DOLL. 154 00:17:59,845 --> 00:18:06,718 >> THANK YOU FOR TREATING US WELL. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE WERE TREATED WELL. 155 00:18:06,785 --> 00:18:13,592 >> WITHIN AN HOUR, THE VOLUNTEERS HAD FOUND HER SON AT A HOMELESS SHELTER IN MANHATTAN AND BROUGHT HIM TO PORT 156 00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:26,205 AUTHORITY TO REUNITE WITH HIS MOTHER AND SISTER. GOMEZ LATER FOUND HER HUSBAND, TOO. 157 00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:31,510 HER FAMILY NOW LIVES IN ONE OF 58 HOTELS THE CITY HAS TURNED INTO EMERGENCY SHELTERS AT A COST OF ABOUT $200 A ROOM PER 158 00:18:31,577 --> 00:18:38,350 NIGHT. UNSURE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD ULTIMATELY COME AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO PROVIDE THEM WITH 159 00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:45,691 FOOD, SHELTER, MEDICAL CARE, AND OTHER SERVICES, NEW YORK'S MAYOR ERIC ADAMS DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY LAST MONTH. 160 00:18:45,757 --> 00:18:51,530 >> WE ARE IN A CRISIS SITUATION. >> THIS PAST WEEK ADAMS TOLD US MORE THAN 22,000 MIGRANTS HAVE ARRIVED IN THE CITY SO FAR. 161 00:18:51,597 --> 00:18:57,836 THIS IS A CITY OF 8 MILLION PEOPLE. WHY WOULD THE ARRIVAL OF 22,000 NEW PEOPLE BE SUCH AN EMERGENCY? 162 00:18:57,903 --> 00:19:06,211 >> WE ARE A CITY OF 8 MILLION PEOPLE THAT JUST CAME THROUGH THE PANDEMIC. MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS LOST THEIR 163 00:19:06,278 --> 00:19:11,316 JOBS, THEY LOST HOMES. WE ALREADY HAD CRISES THAT WE WERE NAVIGATING AND DEALING WITH. 164 00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:18,023 >> GOVERNOR ABBOTT SAID THAT THE BUSES WOULD BRING THE REALITY OF THE CRISIS OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER TO LIBERAL CITIES, AND IT 165 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:24,863 HAS DONE THAT, HASN'T IT? >> I DISAGREE WITH THAT. HE CREATED THIS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS BY HIS HUMAN HANDS, HIS 166 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:35,307 ACTIONS. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT PREVENTED HIM FROM COMMUNICATING WITH OUR TEAM OF SAYING, HOW DO WE 167 00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:40,078 COORDINATE THIS SO WE DON'T OVERBURDEN ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY. >> HIS ARGUMENT WOULD BE, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN MIGRANTS ARE 168 00:19:40,145 --> 00:19:46,385 GOING TO CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY SO WHY SHOULDN'T THESE OTHER CITIES GET A TASTE OF THAT. 169 00:19:46,451 --> 00:19:51,123 >> OKAY, IS HIS FIGHT WITH THE NATIONAL POLICY OR IS HIS FIGHT WITH NEW YORKERS? >> IT IS A STARK REMINDER THAT 170 00:19:51,189 --> 00:19:57,996 THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN, IS IT NOT? >> YES. AND THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN BROKEN. WE HAVE KICKED THIS CAN DOWN THE 171 00:19:58,063 --> 00:20:05,337 ROAD. >> DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS, NOBODY HAS CLEAN HANDS ON FIXING THIS AT THIS POINT? 172 00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:17,482 >> YES. >> MORE THAN 7 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE FLED THE POLITICAL, SOCIAL, AND ECONOMIC CHAOS IN VENEZUELA 173 00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:27,326 SO FAR. IT'S THE SECOND LARGEST REFUGEE CRISIS IN THE WORLD AFTER UKRAINE. 174 00:20:27,392 --> 00:20:34,366 187,000 VENEZUELANS WHO CROSSED THE BORDER FROM MEXICO LAST YEAR HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO STAY HERE WHILE THEY APPLY FOR ASYLUM. 175 00:20:34,433 --> 00:20:39,638 BUT THE PROCESS NOW TAKES YEARS. MORE THAN THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE ALREADY IN LINE AHEAD 176 00:20:39,705 --> 00:20:47,012 OF THEM, WAITING FOR AN ASYLUM HEARING OR A FINAL DECISION. MANY MORE ARE WAITING JUST FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY. 177 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,182 >> THE ASYLUM SYSTEM HAS COLLAPSED, YEAH. >> THERESA CARDINAL BROWN, A FORMER IMMIGRATION POLICY 178 00:20:50,248 --> 00:20:54,386 ADVISER IN THE BUSH AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONS, IS NOW A MANAGING DIRECTOR AT THE BIPARTISAN POLICY CENTER, WHICH 179 00:20:54,453 --> 00:21:03,962 TRIES TO FIND COMMON GROUND ON MAJOR NATIONAL ISSUES. >> THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARRIVING TO OUR SOUTHERN BORDER 180 00:21:04,029 --> 00:21:10,769 WHO ARE TRYING TO SEEK PROTECTION, TRYING TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF OUR LAWS. AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE 181 00:21:10,836 --> 00:21:16,074 PERSONNEL, THE RESOURCES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE RIGHT PROCESSES TO MANAGE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE WELL RIGHT NOW. 182 00:21:16,141 --> 00:21:21,847 >> DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HOW LONG IT IS, SOMEBODY WHO'S ARRIVING JUST NOW AT PORT AUTHORITY BUS TERMINAL IN NEW 183 00:21:21,913 --> 00:21:27,152 YORK, HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ASYLUM HEARING? >> ON AVERAGE, PEOPLE WHO ARE 184 00:21:27,219 --> 00:21:37,663 NOT DETAINED BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT MIGHT WAIT THREE TO FIVE YEARS. >> ARE THEY ALLOWED TO WORK 185 00:21:37,729 --> 00:21:42,934 DURING THAT TIME? >> NO. ONCE YOU FORMALLY FILED YOUR ASYLUM CLAIM IN IMMIGRATION 186 00:21:43,001 --> 00:21:49,808 COURT, 180 DAYS LATER, THEN YOU CAN APPLY FOR WORK AUTHORIZATION. SO IT COULD BE FOUR YEARS, FOUR 187 00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:55,580 AND A HALF YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN ASK FOR WORK AUTHORIZATION. >> IN THE MEANTIME, BROWN SAYS ASYLUM-SEEKERS FIND THEMSELVES 188 00:21:55,647 --> 00:22:01,453 IN LIMBO. THEY'RE HERE, BUT THEY CAN'T LEGALLY WORK. >> Translator: WE DON'T COME 189 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:10,429 HERE TO BE A BURDEN TO THIS COUNTRY. I COME TO WORK AND PUSH AHEAD. >> EDWARD AND MARIA, WHO MET IN 190 00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:16,201 COLLEGE IN VENEZUELA ASKED US NOT TO USE THEIR LAST NAMES OUT OF CONCERN FOR THEIR RELATIVES BACK HOME. 191 00:22:16,268 --> 00:22:22,007 IT TOOK THEM SIX WEEKS THIS SUMMER TO GET TO THE UNITED STATES WITH THEIR 9-YEAR-OLD SON AND 1-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. 192 00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:27,279 THEY ARE NOW LIVING IN A HOTEL IN THE BRONX THAT WAS TURNED INTO AN EMERGENCY SHELTER. BUT WITHOUT WORK PERMITS, 193 00:22:27,345 --> 00:22:43,695 THEY'RE STRUGGLING. 194 00:22:45,263 --> 00:22:51,536 >> Translator: I FOUND A JOB AT A SUPERMARKET, WORKED FOR THREE DAYS AND HE DIDN'T PAY ME NOTHING. 195 00:22:51,603 --> 00:22:59,411 LOST MY TIME. MY FEAR IS IF I GO TO COMPLAIN, HE CALLS THE POLICE ON ME AND I THOUGHT, NO, THEY'LL DEPORT ME 196 00:22:59,478 --> 00:23:03,381 AND THAT WAS MY FEAR SO I LEFT IT LIKE THAT. EDWARD AND MARIA NO LONGER HAVE THEIR VENEZUELAN PASSPORTS, I.D. 197 00:23:03,448 --> 00:23:08,453 CARDS, OR BIRTH CERTIFICATES. THEY SAY THEY WERE TOLD TO HAND THEM OVER TO U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION AGENTS IN 198 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,725 TEXAS AND NEVER GOT THEM BACK. >> Translator: THEY PUT IT IN A FOLDER. THEY SAID, WHENEVER YOU GO TO 199 00:23:13,792 --> 00:23:20,532 COURT, YOU CAN ASK FOR THEM THERE. >> THAT'S INTERESTING. >> U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER 200 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:28,140 REGULATIONS ARE CLEAR. ALL DOCUMENTS MUST BE RETURNED UNLESS THEY'RE FRAUDULENT. WE INTERVIEWED 16 MIGRANTS WHO 201 00:23:28,206 --> 00:23:32,844 ARRIVED IN NEW YORK BY BUS FROM TEXAS, ALL BUT FOUR SAID THEY HAD IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS TAKEN AND NOT RETURNED. 202 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:38,116 AND VOLUNTEERS, CASEWORKERS AND LAWYERS WHO WORK WITH THE MIGRANTS ALSO TOLD US THE PROBLEM IS WIDESPREAD. 203 00:23:38,183 --> 00:23:44,956 IN A STATEMENT, U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION SAID IT WAS REVIEWING ITS POLICIES AND PRACTICES TO ENSURE THAT 204 00:23:45,023 --> 00:23:51,830 DOCUMENTS ARE RETURNED TO THE MIGRANT ABSENT A SECURITY OR LAW ENFORCEMENT REASON. >> SO 90 DIVIDED BY NINE? 205 00:23:51,897 --> 00:24:01,540 >> ONE BRIGHT SPOT FOR MANY MIGRANT FAMILIES HAS BEEN THE NEW YORK CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHICH, IN A PERIOD OF 206 00:24:01,606 --> 00:24:10,382 ABOUT THREE MONTHS, ENROLLED ABOUT 7,000 NEW STUDENTS, MOST OF WHOM DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH. THIS 10-YEAR-OLD NOW GOES TO 207 00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:16,188 PS-145 IN MANHATTAN. HIS FAMILY MADE THE LONG JOURNEY FROM VENEZUELA TO MEXICO AND THEN CROSSED THE TREACHEROUS RIO 208 00:24:16,254 --> 00:24:21,960 GRANDE RIVER IN TEXAS. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE COMING HERE? WAS IT SCARY? 209 00:24:22,027 --> 00:24:27,766 YES, HE SAYS. WHAT WAS SCARY? >> Translator: WHEN MY MOM ALMOST DROWN IN A RIVER. 210 00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:42,013 >> AND YOU SAW THAT HAPPEN? >> Translator: YES. >> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GO IN THE DIFFERENT BINS? 211 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:47,819 >> THE PRINCIPAL NATALIA RUSSO SAYS SHE'S BEEN DOING HER BEST TO HELP HIM AND THE OTHER NEW STUDENTS ADJUST. 212 00:24:47,886 --> 00:24:53,058 SHE DOES SOME STUDENTS' LAUNDRY AT HER HOME AND HAS MADE SURE THEY HAVE SCHOOL UNIFORMS, SUPPLIES AND HELP GETTING INTO 213 00:24:53,124 --> 00:25:02,467 AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS. SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO OTHER FAMILIES WHO SEE WHAT'S BEING DONE FOR THESE NEW KIDS? 214 00:25:02,534 --> 00:25:08,273 >> THIS IS A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS. THESE FOLKS DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE, THEY'RE NOT PART OF 215 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:14,079 THIS CULTURE, YET. WE JUST WANT THE CHILDREN TO FEEL SAFE NOT ONLY PHYSICALLY BUT EMOTIONALLY. 216 00:25:14,145 --> 00:25:21,453 WE'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. >> CESAR AND OTHER CHILDREN OF ASYLUM-SEEKERS WILL LIKELY BE FLUENT IN ENGLISH BY THE TIME 217 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:27,759 THEIR PARENTS HAVE THEIR ASYLUM CASES RULED ON BY A JUDGE. AND IF THEY FAIL TO MAKE THEIR CASE, THEY AND THEIR KIDS COULD 218 00:25:27,826 --> 00:25:39,371 FACE DEPORTATION. HOW TOUGH IS IT TO MAKE A CASE THAT YOU SHOULD GET ASYLUM? >> IT'S VERY TOUGH. 219 00:25:39,437 --> 00:25:44,109 THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN PERSECUTED OR HAVE A WELL-FOUNDED FEAR OF PERSECUTION. 220 00:25:44,175 --> 00:25:49,881 >> IF SOMEBODY SAYS, LOOK, I'M COMING HERE BECAUSE I WANT A BETTER LIFE FOR MY CHILDREN. >> THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR 221 00:25:49,948 --> 00:25:58,323 ASYLUM. >> SO MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOWING UP AT THE PORT AUTHORITY BUS TERMINAL SAYING THAT THEY 222 00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:03,628 WANT TO SEEK ASYLUM WHEN THEY CAN GET IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, MOST OF THEM WILL NOT ACTUALLY BE GRANTED ASYLUM? 223 00:26:03,695 --> 00:26:09,968 >> I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT OVERALL ASYLUM RATES ARE ABOUT 30%. VENEZUELANS TEND TO HAVE A MUCH 224 00:26:10,035 --> 00:26:17,609 HIGHER ASYLUM RATE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN VENEZUELA. NFRMGT THE PAST FEW WEEKS THE NUMBER OF BUSES FROM THE BORDER 225 00:26:17,676 --> 00:26:32,691 ARRIVING IN NEW YORK HAS DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. THAT'S BECAUSE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED IT WAS 226 00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:37,963 CREATING A LEGAL PATHWAY FOR 24,000 VENEZUELAN ASYLUM-SEEKERS TO ENTER THE U.S. IF THEY HAD SPONSORS. 227 00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:44,402 BUT IT ALSO BEGAN EXPELLING VENEZUELANS TO MEXICO IF THEY'D CROSSED THE BORDER ILLEGALLY. THEY BASICALLY WENT BACK TO A 228 00:26:44,469 --> 00:26:49,607 POLICY THAT WAS IN PLACE -- PUT IN PLACE BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHICH ALLOWS FOR VENEZUELANS TO BE SENT BACK TO 229 00:26:49,674 --> 00:26:54,813 MEXICO AND NOT APPLY FOR ASYLUM HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. >> I THINK THAT THE NATIONAL POLITICS IS WELL OVER MY HEAD IN 230 00:26:54,879 --> 00:27:00,618 DETERMINING WHAT WE'RE DOING NATIONALLY. >> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WHO COME TO THIS COUNTRY AND WANT TO SEEK 231 00:27:00,685 --> 00:27:06,491 ASYLUM SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WHILE THEY'RE HERE WAITING? >> YES, I DO. >> DOESN'T THAT ENCOURAGE MORE 232 00:27:06,558 --> 00:27:12,297 AND MORE PEOPLE JUST TO COME? >> I DON'T THINK IT CREATES A PROBLEM. WHAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING IS WHY 233 00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:20,739 IS IT TAKING SO LONG? WE SHOULD LET PEOPLE KNOW RIGHT AWAY BASED ON A PRELIMINARY REVIEW, YOU CANNOT GET AN ASYLUM 234 00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:29,180 HERE IN THE COUNTRY. AND THEN THOSE WHO ARE ELIGIBLE AND REACH A MINIMUM CRITERIA, WE COULD PUT IT ON A FASTER TRACK. 235 00:27:29,247 --> 00:27:36,554 >> THE BIPARTISAN BORDER SOLUTIONS ACT INTRODUCED IN CONGRESS WOULD MAKE THAT POSSIBLE BY ADDING MORE 236 00:27:36,621 --> 00:27:41,860 IMMIGRATION JUDGES AND ASYLUM OFFICERS AND BUILDING FOUR NEW PROCESSING CENTERS ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER WHERE THE 237 00:27:41,926 --> 00:27:47,632 GOVERNMENT COULD DETERMINE WHETHER MIGRANTS HAVE A CREDIBLE FEAR OF PERSECUTION BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE 238 00:27:47,699 --> 00:27:53,972 U.S. THERESA CARDINAL BROWN, THE FORMER POLICY ADVISER IN TWO ADMINISTRATIONS, SAID SHE'D LIKE 239 00:27:54,039 --> 00:28:13,525 TO BELIEVE CONGRESS WILL FINALLY DO SOMETHING TO FIX THE PROBLEM. BUT SHE'S SPECTACLE. >> FOR 30 YEARS THEY HAVEN'T 240 00:28:13,591 --> 00:28:18,163 PASSED REALLY ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO ANY OF OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS. >> IS THIS A DEMOCRATIC OR 241 00:28:18,229 --> 00:28:32,310 REPUBLICAN ADMINIS >>> IF YOU HEAR THE TERM "SURVIVALIST" AND IT CONJURES IMAGES OF MILITANTS AND 242 00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:39,684 CONSPIRACY THEORISTS -- RESIDING ON THE FRINGES AND OF COMPOUNDS, ARMED TO THE TEETH -- WELL, IT'S TIME TO RESET YOUR DOOMSDAY 243 00:28:39,751 --> 00:28:45,523 CLOCK. A WORLDWIDE COMMUNITY OF PREPPERS, THOSE WHO STOCKPILE GOODS AND SKILL UP FOR EXTREME 244 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:51,830 CATASTROPHES, IS GIRDING LESS FOR THE END OF DAYS THAN FOR DISASTER THAT CALLS FOR TAKING COVER. 245 00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:56,601 A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, CIVIL UNREST, THE POSSIBILITY OF A DIRTY BOMB. TO SAY NOTHING OF A GLOBAL 246 00:28:56,668 --> 00:29:05,043 PANDEMIC THAT SUDDENLY SHUTS DOWN THE WORLD. IT WAS COVID THAT TURNED ABSTRACT APOCALYPTIC SCENARIOS 247 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:09,814 INTO A REALITY. MODERN PREPPERS COME AT IT FROM ALL ANGLES AND FOR ALL KINDS OF REASONS. 248 00:29:09,881 --> 00:29:21,926 WE WENT HIGH AND LOW, TALKING TO A FEW OF THE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE JOINED THE MOVEMENT. 249 00:29:21,993 --> 00:29:26,164 >> WE'RE LITERALLY GOING OVER THE EDGE OF THE MOUNTAIN RIGHT NOW. >> BRADLEY GARRETT LED OUR CREW 250 00:29:26,231 --> 00:29:30,368 DOWN A NARROW TRAIL NEAR HIS HOME IN BIG BEAR LAKE, CALIFORNIA. >> WHEN I MOVED HERE, ONE OF MY 251 00:29:30,435 --> 00:29:36,674 FIRST OFF-ROAD ADVENTURES WAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OFF THIS MOUNTAIN WITHOUT USING THE HIGHWAY. 252 00:29:36,741 --> 00:29:41,412 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. >> WHAT ARE WE GOING? >> TEN MILES AN HOUR? 253 00:29:41,479 --> 00:29:45,650 >> NINE. >> A FORMER UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR, GARRETT WROTE A BOOK TWO YEARS AGO ABOUT PREPPING, 254 00:29:45,717 --> 00:29:50,922 THEN BECAME A CONVERT HIMSELF. OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ANYMORE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH EMERGENCIES IN 255 00:29:50,989 --> 00:29:58,863 A MEANINGFUL WAY. >> BEHIND THE WHEEL, HE OFF-ROADS NOT FOR KICKS -- >> OH, MAN. 256 00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:04,102 BUT TO PRACTICE WHAT PREPPERS CALL BUGGING OUT. GETTING OUT OF DODGE IN THE EVENT OF DISASTER, STEERING 257 00:30:04,169 --> 00:30:10,441 CLEAR OF THE MASSES. >> WE'LL TAKE THESE ROADS AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT WASHED OUT AND WE 258 00:30:10,508 --> 00:30:21,986 CAN STILL USE THEM. >> JUST GIVE IT A DRY RUN? >> GIVE IT A DRY RUN. [ LAUGHTER ] 259 00:30:22,053 --> 00:30:27,292 TEST-RUNNING AN ESCAPE ROUTE TO THE MOJAVE DESERT SOUNDS LIKE OVERKILL, UNTIL IT DOESN'T. CONSIDER THIS, DAYS BEFORE OUR 260 00:30:27,358 --> 00:30:32,530 INTERVIEW WITH GARRETT, A WILDFIRE FORCED HIM TO PUT HIS BUGOUT PLAN INTO ACTION. >> AND IT CLIMBED THE RIDGE 261 00:30:32,597 --> 00:30:37,969 LITERALLY TO RIGHT HERE. MY NEIGHBOR KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND HE SAID I THINK IT'S TIME TO EVACUATE. 262 00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:44,342 THERE WERE HELICOPTERS PULLING WATER FROM THE LAKE AND DUMPING IT ON THE FIRE, AND WE DECIDED TO GO. 263 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:53,117 SO WE PACKED UP THE DOGS AND THE GUINEA PIGS AND WE WENT. >> HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO PACK? 264 00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:57,855 >> 30 MINUTES. >> THAT FIRE IS JUST A COUPLE MILES FROM OUR CABIN. >> IT BURNED MORE THAN A 265 00:30:57,922 --> 00:31:02,660 THOUSAND ACRES BUT DIDN'T REACH GARRETT'S CABIN. STILL, HE USED THE CLOSE CALL TO ASSESS HIS READINESS. 266 00:31:02,727 --> 00:31:07,398 >> HOW DO YOU THINK YOU DID? >> PRETTY WELL. WE FELL DOWN ON DOCUMENTS, BIRTH CERTIFICATES, CREDIT CARDS, THEY 267 00:31:07,465 --> 00:31:12,170 WERE ALL OVER THE HOUSE. I HAD STUFF IN FILING CABINETS. IT WAS A MESS. I WANT TO GET IT DOWN TO 15. 268 00:31:12,237 --> 00:31:17,976 >> 15 MINUTES? >> GETTING THE DOGS OUT IS NO PROBLEM. THE GUINEA PIGS ARE A LITTLE 269 00:31:18,042 --> 00:31:22,180 HARDER TO WRANGLE. >> THE ACT OF GATHERING UP ANIMALS IN A NATURAL DISASTER RECALLS THE ORIGINAL PREPPER. 270 00:31:22,247 --> 00:31:31,823 NOAH LOADED THEM INTO AN ARK. BUT IN 2022 A.D., PREPPERS STILL CONFRONT CATASTROPHES OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS. 271 00:31:31,889 --> 00:31:43,801 AS VARIED AS THEY ARE FREQUENT. IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS ALONE, HURRICANE IAB SHOWED US THE WRATH OF NATURE. 272 00:31:43,868 --> 00:31:48,539 WHILE VLADIMIR PUTIN SHOWED US THE WRATH OF MAN, ISSUING A WARNING HE MIGHT USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. 273 00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:53,911 IF AND WHEN DISASTER STRIKES, FEMA, THE OVERBURDENED FEDERAL AGENCY CHARGED WITH LEADING THE RESPONSES, HAS WARNED AMERICANS 274 00:31:53,978 --> 00:31:59,617 THEY SHOULD BE READY TO GO IT ALONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS. JOHN RAIME IS PREPARED TO GO IT ALONE FOR TWO YEARS. 275 00:31:59,684 --> 00:32:11,896 HE STARTED HIS CAREER IN SILICON VALLEY AND WAS AN INNOVATION ADVISER TO THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. 276 00:32:11,963 --> 00:32:15,600 FROM HIS HOME IN COLORADO, HE PUBLISHES A ROUND-UP OF THREATS AND HOW TO PREP FOR THEM. BEST PRACTICES AND BUGOUT BAG 277 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:20,838 CHECKLISTS. HIS WEBSITE, THE PREPARED, IS A LEADING VOICE FOR THE MEASURED SEGMENT OF THIS GROWING 278 00:32:20,905 --> 00:32:26,177 COMMUNITY. >> WE THINK ABOUT 15 MILLION AMERICANS ARE ACTIVELY PREPPING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE 279 00:32:26,244 --> 00:32:31,983 OF HOUSEHOLDS, WE ARE AT OR ABOUT TO CROSS 10% OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS. JUST A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WAS 2% 280 00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:39,357 OR 3%. >> WHAT HAPPENED TO TRIGGER THIS? >> MORE AND MORE PEOPLE OVER THE 281 00:32:39,424 --> 00:32:45,163 LAST DECADE THAT HAVE ACCEPTED THE REALITY OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE DISASTERS AND THINGS THAT WE GO 282 00:32:45,229 --> 00:32:55,673 THROUGH ALMOST EVERY DAY NOW. WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH OUR ECONOMY SINCE THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS, WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH 283 00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:59,377 POLITICAL DISCOURSE AND INSTITUTIONAL FAILURES. BROADLY SPEAKING, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE REALIZING THAT THEY ARE 284 00:32:59,444 --> 00:33:08,453 THEIR OWN FIRST RESPONDER. >> THIS IS A BUGOUT BAG. PART OF HIS WORK ENTAILS REVIEWING THE GLUT OF SUPPLIES 285 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:16,327 ON THE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PREPPING MARKET. GOT UNSAFE DRINK WATER? HERE IS A $25 FILTER. 286 00:33:16,394 --> 00:33:19,530 >> IT WILL FILTER 100,000 GALLONS OF WATER. >> CELL SERVICE DOWN? NO PROBLEM FOR THE OLD FAITHFUL 287 00:33:19,597 --> 00:33:27,438 HAM RADIO. HE SAYS THE UPTICK IN PREPPING CUTS ACROSS NATIONAL DIVIDES, POLITICS, ECONOMICS, REGION. 288 00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:33,778 >> IS THERE A TYPICAL PREPPER? >> NOT ANYMORE. THERE USED TO BE. >> ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THERE IS 289 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:43,287 A GROWING DARKNESS, A BELIEF THAT THE END OF DAYS IS NEAR. THIS IS "DOOMSDAY: PREPPERS." >> IN THE PAST, THE REALITY TV 290 00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:56,534 SHOWS THAT WOULD COVER PREPPERS, THEY'D FIND SOMEONE WHO HAD THE MOST EXTREME FANTASTICAL CONCERN LIKE FASCIST ALIEN ZOMBIES 291 00:33:56,601 --> 00:34:06,778 ARRIVING ON AN ASTEROID. THAT IS SO NIGHT AND DAY FROM WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. >> IN THE FOOTHILLS OF 292 00:34:06,844 --> 00:34:20,491 TENNESSEE'S SMOKY MOUNTAINS, WE MET HEIDI IN HER VEGETABLE GARDEN. RESTAURANT WORKER BY DAY, SHE 293 00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:25,797 CALLS HERSELF A HOMESTEAD PREPPER, READY TO HUNKER DOWN OR BUG-IN, IN A CRISIS. YOU CAN PUT RAW MEAT IN HERE. 294 00:34:25,863 --> 00:34:31,068 SHE RECENTLY ACQUIRED THE HOTTEST ITEM FOR PREPPERS, A FREEZE-DRYER. >> THAT'S A POUND OF GROUND 295 00:34:31,135 --> 00:34:36,908 BEEF. >> INSIDE HER PANTRY, KELLER HAS CANNED, FREEZE-DRIED AND STORED ENOUGH FOOD TO GET BY FOR A YEAR 296 00:34:36,974 --> 00:34:41,078 WITHOUT LEAVING HER PROPERTY. >> CHICKEN, MEAT, ROAST BEEF. >> AND IT DOUBLES AS PROTECTION FROM SURGING FOOD PRICES. 297 00:34:41,145 --> 00:34:45,817 AFTER FIRES SPREAD NEARBY DURING A 2016 DROUGHT, KELLER SAYS SHE WANTED A BACKUP. WHEN THE FIRES CAME, IT MADE ME 298 00:34:45,883 --> 00:34:51,622 RETHINK I CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING IN MY HOUSE BECAUSE IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN AND THERE IS A FIRE AND MY HOUSE BURNS, IT CAN'T ALL 299 00:34:51,689 --> 00:34:57,428 BE IN ONE LOCATION. SO THE LONG-TERM STORAGE THINGS I HAVE SOMEPLACE ELSE. >> WHERE IS THAT? 300 00:34:57,495 --> 00:35:03,267 >> IN A SECURE LOCATION. [ LAUGHTER ] IT'S NOT HERE. >> FORT KNOX? 301 00:35:03,334 --> 00:35:07,472 >> NO. HOW FAR FROM HERE? >> NOT FAR. WITHIN FIVE MILES. 302 00:35:07,538 --> 00:35:12,243 >> GIVE US MORE HINTS? >> WHY WOULD I DO THAT? I'M NOT. >> AS A RULE, PREPPERS DON'T 303 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:18,049 LIKE TO REVEAL TOO MUCH. YOU MIGHT SAY THEY ALSO HAVE TRUST ISSUES WITH THE COUNTRY'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ABILITY 304 00:35:18,115 --> 00:35:23,788 OF ITS INSTITUTIONS TO DELIVER IN A CRISIS. IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF CATASTROPHE, TO WHAT EXTENT DO 305 00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:28,626 YOU TRUST THE GOVERNMENT? >> I'M NOT GOING TO DAMN THE GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, THEY DO THE BEST THAT 306 00:35:28,693 --> 00:35:35,433 THEY CAN, BUT PRETTY MUCH THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF YOU BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH GOING ON. 307 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:39,670 THAT'S COMMON SENSE. >> ARE YOU PREPARED TO GO IT ALONE? >> YOU HAVE TO BE, TO SOME 308 00:35:39,737 --> 00:35:48,079 DEGREE. MY BIGGEST CONCERN FOR TWO YEARS IT TOOK ME TO GET A WOODSTOVE. I DIDN'T HAVE THAT AND I'M ALL 309 00:35:48,145 --> 00:35:54,418 ELECTRIC SO I WAS NOT PREPARED. AND FINALLY WHEN I GOT IT, IT WAS LIKE, WHEW, FINALLY I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE NOW. 310 00:35:54,485 --> 00:36:01,292 >> IF ALL IT TAKES IS A WOOD STOVE FOR HEIDI KELLER TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, WHEN THE SUN RISES ON POST-APOCALYPTIC AMERICA, THE 311 00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:12,737 MONEY CLASS WILL FIND COMFORT HERE. WE DROVE TO THE BELLY OF THE COUNTRY, CENTRAL KANSAS, FLAT AS 312 00:36:12,803 --> 00:36:20,144 A COUNTERTOP, HEMMED BY SOYBEAN AND CORN FIELDS. WHO DID YOU ACTUALLY BUY THIS FROM? 313 00:36:20,211 --> 00:36:25,416 WHERE WE MET A FORMER DEFENSE CONTRACTOR TURNED, SHALL WE SAY, NICHE PROPERTY DEVELOPER. IN 2008 HE PAID $300,000 FOR 314 00:36:25,483 --> 00:36:30,755 THIS DECOMMISSIONED NUCLEAR MISSILE SILO. HE AND INVESTORS PUT IN $22 MILLION TO REFASHION IT AS A 315 00:36:30,821 --> 00:36:39,530 LUXURY BUNKER. THE SURVIVAL CONDO. >> CONSIDERABLE THICKNESS FOR A DOOR TO A RESIDENCE. 316 00:36:39,597 --> 00:36:43,267 >> INSIDE THE 16,000 POUND DOORS, AN APARTMENT BUILDING. EXCEPT THIS ONE IS JAMMED 15 STORIES INTO THE GROUND. 317 00:36:43,334 --> 00:36:53,244 THERE'S ROOM FOR 75 PEOPLE. ALL BUT THREE OF THE 14 PRIVATE UNITS HAVE BEEN SOLD. THIS THREE-BEDROOM WITH TV 318 00:36:53,311 --> 00:37:02,286 SCREENS POSING AS WINDOWS GOES FOR $2.4 MILLION CASH. >> WHO ARE YOUR CLIENTS? >> THESE ARE ALL SELF-MADE 319 00:37:02,353 --> 00:37:07,558 PEOPLE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY LOTTERY WINNERS OR OLD MONEY. WE HAVE RETIRED DOCTORS, 320 00:37:07,625 --> 00:37:12,797 PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE. >> DO THEY SHARE A PARTICULAR IDEOLOGY? >> NO, THEY DON'T. 321 00:37:12,863 --> 00:37:17,602 I KNOW THAT THERE IS INDEPENDENTS, I KNOW THERE'S DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. YOU GOT THE WHOLE MIX HERE. 322 00:37:17,668 --> 00:37:23,374 BUT WHAT THEY HAVE IN COMMON IS THEY ALL WANT TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE FOR THEIR FAMILY. WE'VE GOT A 75-FOOT-LONG 323 00:37:23,441 --> 00:37:30,181 SALTWATER POOL. >> THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT, THEY'LL FEEL FINE SITTING POOLSIDE. 324 00:37:30,247 --> 00:37:35,486 UNLESS THEY PREFER TO GO ROCK CLIMBING. NO ONE WAS LIVING HERE FULL-TIME WHEN WE VISITED, BUT HE SAYS THE 325 00:37:35,553 --> 00:37:41,792 PLACE WAS HOPPING AT THE ONSET OF THE PANDEMIC. >> THE OWNERS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER ALL CAME HERE AT THE SAME 326 00:37:41,859 --> 00:37:55,406 TIME, ALL OF THEM. SO 19 KIDS WERE HERE. >> PEACE OF MIND. >> THIS IS JUST THE COMMON AREA. 327 00:37:55,473 --> 00:38:00,177 >> WITH DOZENS OF STRANGERS HOLED UP TOGETHER IN A CRISIS HE HIRED A PSYCHOLOGIST TO CONSULT ON DESIGN TO AVOID A 328 00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:05,483 SUBTERRANEAN VERSION OF "LORD OF THE FLIES." I DID NOTICE WHAT LOOKED LIKE A JAIL CELL. 329 00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:10,287 >> WE DO HAVE A JAIL CELL. THAT'S BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A BAR AND A LOUNGE. AND IF YOU HAVE A BAD DAY OR YOU 330 00:38:10,354 --> 00:38:16,560 DRINK TOO MUCH, YOU MIGHT GET AN ADULT TIME-OUT. >> FIVE DIFFERENT POWER SOURCES KEEP IT ALL HUMMING. 331 00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:21,832 THERE'S A FIVE-YEAR SUPPLY OF STORED FOOD AND HYDROPONICS TO GROW MORE. THE SURVIVAL CONDO ALSO EMPLOYS 332 00:38:21,899 --> 00:38:28,172 DOORMEN. THAT IS, ARMED GUARDS AT THE GATE. TO WHAT EXTENT ARE YOU WORRIED 333 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,944 THIS PLACE COULD BE OVERRUN DURING AN ACTUAL CRISIS? >> THIS PLACE WAS ENGINEERED TO WITHSTAND A 20 KILOTON NUCLEAR 334 00:38:34,011 --> 00:38:41,352 WAR HEAD DETONATED WITHIN A HALF MILE. YOU CAN RANT AND RAVE AND THROW SMOKE BOMBS AND MOLOTOV 335 00:38:41,419 --> 00:38:48,759 COCKTAILS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SCRATCH MY PAINT. >> PAUL IS CONVERTING ANOTHER SILO HALF AN HOUR AWAY. 336 00:38:48,826 --> 00:38:54,498 MOST BUNKERS WORLDWIDE ARE NOT FORTIFIED LUXURIES. WE GET A VIVID DEMONSTRATION OF THEIR PRACTICALITY AS UKRAINIANS 337 00:38:54,565 --> 00:39:06,143 TAKE COVER. IN AUSTRALIA, THIS MAN MADE NEWS WHEN HE EMERGED UNSCATHED FROM HIS BACKYARD BUNKER AFTER A 338 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:12,817 DEADLY BUSH FIRE. HERE IN THE U.S., ONE PERSONAL BUNKER MANUFACTURER TOLD US HE TAKES A NEW ORDER EVERY OTHER 339 00:39:12,883 --> 00:39:17,755 DAY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE SPIKE IN BUNKER SALES? >> THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE 340 00:39:17,822 --> 00:39:22,493 SHOULD NEVER GET TO THE POINT OF HAVING A BUNKER. AND, IN FACT, I REALLY DISLIKE THE BUNKER NARRATIVES BECAUSE IT 341 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:29,900 TAKES AWAY FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING, WHICH IS HOW DO WE MAKE OUR EXISTING HOMES AND OUR EXISTING 342 00:39:29,967 --> 00:39:38,709 COMMUNITIES MORE RESILIENT? RATHER THAN -- AND I'M GOING TO QUIT SOCIETY AND GO LIVE IN A DECOMMISSIONED MISSILE SILO. 343 00:39:38,776 --> 00:39:44,582 >> YOU SAY YOU WOULD NEVER BUILD A BUNKER. WHY NOT? >> YOU CAN ONLY STOCKPILE SO 344 00:39:44,648 --> 00:39:49,920 MUCH IN YOUR BUNKER. I CAN ONLY WITHSTAND SO MUCH TIME IN IT. I WOULD BE DESPERATE TO PEEK 345 00:39:49,987 --> 00:39:54,525 OUT TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING OUTSIDE. >> HE WON'T BUNKER DOWN, BUT HE HAS DOUBLED DOWN ON BUGGING OUT. 346 00:39:54,592 --> 00:40:01,632 HE KEEPS A SECOND TRUCK, THIS 1972 GMC IN HIS YARD IN CASE THE LIGHTS GO OUT FOR GOOD. TAKING OUT ELECTRONICS AND 347 00:40:01,699 --> 00:40:09,106 TURNING HIS HYBRID ESCAPE VEHICLE INTO THE EQUIVALENT OF AN EXPENSIVE BRICK. THE SPECTER OF MASSIVE POWER 348 00:40:09,173 --> 00:40:14,345 GRID FAILURE, THE RESULT OF A NUCLEAR ATTACK OR SOLAR STORM PREOCCUPIES MANY PREPPERS. >> THE CURRENT ESTIMATES FROM 349 00:40:14,411 --> 00:40:19,683 THE GOVERNMENT IS IT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS TO REBUILD THE GRID. >> THE WIFI GOES DOWN FOR FIVE MINUTES AND EVERYBODY PANICS. 350 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:27,925 >> EXACTLY. AND PREPPERS SAY THAT IT'S 72 HOURS TO ANIMAL. >> MEANING WHAT? 351 00:40:27,992 --> 00:40:37,802 MEANING THAT IT TAKES ABOUT THREE DAYS TO PEOPLE TO TOTALLY LOSE IT. >> PREPPERS CALL THIS THE 352 00:40:37,868 --> 00:40:49,914 S-H-T-F SCENARIO, THE PROVERBIAL S-HITTING THE FAN, A BREAKDOWN OF SOCIAL NORMS. JOHN SAYS DON'T PANIC, JUST GET 353 00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:55,753 PREPPING. >> IF YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS WORTH OF FOOD AND WATER IN YOUR HOME, A RADIO, SOME BASIC SUPPLIES, 354 00:40:55,820 --> 00:41:01,425 THAT ALONE, THAT LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT AND COST COVERS YOU FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF SCENARIOS. THAT'S THAT MINIMUM THRESHOLD 355 00:41:01,492 --> 00:41:06,363 THAT EVERYONE SHOULD ASPIRE TO. >> AS MORE AMERICANS STOCK UP BRACING FOR THE WORST WHILE STILL INTENT ON SURVIVING IT, WE 356 00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:12,336 MAY BE APPROACHING THE DAY WHEN "PREPPER" ISN'T A LOADED WORD. UNTIL THEN -- IS THERE A PREFERRED TERM NOW? 357 00:41:12,403 --> 00:41:18,876 >> THE ONE THAT I PREFER THAT'S POPPING UP IS CALLED DOOMER OPTIMIST. THIS IS SOMEONE THAT RECOGNIZES 358 00:41:18,943 --> 00:41:23,480 THAT DISASTER IS INEVITABLE, BUT THEY'RE OPTIMISTIC THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THEM. 359 00:41:23,547 --> 00:41:33,424 YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH HOPE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE HOPE ABOUT THE FUTURE, THERE'S NO POINT IN PREPARING FOR IT. 360 00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:51,308 >>> "THE LAST MINUTE" OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED HEALTH CARE. GET MEDICARE WITH MORE. 361 00:41:51,375 --> 00:41:54,812 >>> TONIGHT, CANDIDATES IN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS ARE APPROACHING THE END OF THE TRAIL AND VOTERS THE END OF THEIR 362 00:41:54,879 --> 00:42:01,085 ROPES. IT'S BEEN AS LONG, AS NEGATIVE, AND AS NASTY A CAMPAIGN AS ANYONE CAN REMEMBER. 363 00:42:01,151 --> 00:42:07,491 OPPONENTS ARE NOT ONLY WRONG, BUT THEY LOVE CRIME OR ARE TOO EXTREME FOR YOUR STATE OR CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. 364 00:42:07,558 --> 00:42:14,331 THE OTHER GUY IS PLOTTING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS OR YOUR PERSONAL RIGHTS OR YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS, OR YOUR 365 00:42:14,398 --> 00:42:21,171 COUNTRY. CANDIDATES, OR THE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES SUPPORTING OR FUNDRAISING FOR THEM, SEE THE 366 00:42:21,238 --> 00:42:26,010 NEED TO DEMONIZE THE OTHER SIDE, TO STRIP THE OTHER CANDIDATE OF HUMANITY ITSELF. IN HIS SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS, 367 00:42:26,076 --> 00:42:39,089 ABE LINCOLN, WHO KNEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW DEEP DIVISIONS WOUND A COUNTRY, SPOKE OF BINDING UP THOSE WOUNDS "WITH 368 00:42:39,156 --> 00:42:43,827 MALICE TOWARD NONE WITH CHARITY FOR ALL." MAYBE A LINCOLN BIOGRAPHY SHOULD BE REQUIRED READING FOR ANY 369 00:42:43,894 --> 00:42:52,536 CANDIDATE BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION. I'M JON WERTHEIM.