1 00:00:13,213 --> 00:00:24,424 >>> TONIGHT THE PRESIDENT OF FRANCE SPEAKS WITH "60 MINUTES" AT THE PALACE IN PARIS AND IN WASHINGTON DURING AN IMPORTANT 2 00:00:24,491 --> 00:00:33,867 STATE VISIT ABOUT THE MOST PRESSING ISSUES FACING AMERICA AND ITS MOST HISTORIC ALLY. YOU HAVE SAID THAT ATTACKING 3 00:00:33,933 --> 00:00:44,544 CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURES IS A WAR CRIME. >> THIS IS A WAR CRIME. >>> JUST COME AND SIT AT A 4 00:00:44,611 --> 00:00:59,058 SUNSET BY THE LAKE IN THE CENTER OF THIS NATIONAL PARK. I MEAN, TIME STOPS. AND YOU GET 100 COLORS OF THE 5 00:00:59,125 --> 00:01:08,635 LAND, 100 COLORS OF ORANGE AND THEN THE DUSK SETS IN. >> WELL, THERE CERTAINLY IS. >> I JUST HAVE TO STOP AND SAY 6 00:01:08,701 --> 00:01:18,111 HELLO TO THE ELEPHANT. >>> HOW DO WE KNOW THE SOUTH DAKOTA KID IS THE GREATEST POOL PLAYER IN THE WORLD? 7 00:01:18,178 --> 00:01:34,394 >> GO RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. >> YEP, RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. >> SHE SHOWED US HOW TO DO THIS. >> YOU GOT THAT. 8 00:01:34,461 --> 00:01:39,966 >> I'M LESLIE STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 9 00:01:40,033 --> 00:01:50,009 >> I'M JOHN WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. >> THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT 10 00:01:50,076 --> 00:01:58,618 >>> FRANCE IS AMERICA'S FIRST AND OLDEST ALLY, OFFERING CRUCIAL SUPPORT BOTH FINANCIAL AND MILITARY DURING OUR 11 00:01:58,685 --> 00:02:04,324 REVOLUTION. DURING THE 20th CENTURY AMERICANS FOUGHT AND DIED ON FRENCH SOIL IN BOTH WORLD WARS, 12 00:02:04,390 --> 00:02:12,432 AND NOW ONCE AGAIN THE OLD ALLIES FIND THEMSELVES IN A DYNAMIC AND DANGEROUS MOMENT WITH YET ANOTHER WAR BEING 13 00:02:12,499 --> 00:02:23,710 FOUGHT IN EUROPE. THIS TIME THE FRENCH PRESIDENT IS EMMANUEL MACRON, THE YOUNGEST EVER, WHO IS STRIVING TO ENHANCE 14 00:02:23,776 --> 00:02:32,018 FRANCE'S ROLE IN THE WORLD WHILE NAVIGATING DIVISIONS AT HOME AND RELATIONS WITH THE U.S. STRANGED BY ENERGY, TRADE, AND DEFENSE 15 00:02:32,085 --> 00:02:39,459 ISSUES. WE SPOKE WITH HIM THURSDAY AT BLAIRE HOUSE DURING HIS STATE VISIT TO WASHINGTON DURING HIS 16 00:02:39,526 --> 00:02:50,370 VISIT WITH PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. EARLIER IN THE WEEK WE MET WITH THE FRENCH PRESIDENT IN PARIS. WE MET PRESIDENT EMMANUEL MACRON 17 00:02:50,436 --> 00:02:59,145 AS HE WAS PREPARING FOR HIS SECOND STATE VISIT TO WASHINGTON, D.C., HIS FIRST WITH PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. 18 00:02:59,212 --> 00:03:06,286 THE SETTING COULD NOT HAVE BEEN GRANDER. >> AND HERE IS MY OFFICE. >> FRENCH PRESIDENTS HAVE RUN 19 00:03:06,352 --> 00:03:20,500 AFFAIRS OF STATE FROM THE PARIS SINCE NAPOLEON III. THIS PALACE WAS A FAVORITE OF NAPOLEON III AND HIS WIFE. 20 00:03:20,567 --> 00:03:31,578 TODAY IT'S THE FRENCH EQUIVALENT OF THE OVAL OFFICE. >> AND SINCE THE GOAL THE OFFICE OF THE FRENCH PRESIDENT IS HERE. 21 00:03:31,644 --> 00:03:37,884 THIS IS WHERE I WORK. >> THIS IS MAGNIFICENT. >> BY THE WAY, THIS IS SOMETHING I GOT FROM MY FIRST STATE VISIT. 22 00:03:37,951 --> 00:03:53,499 THIS KEY IS THE KEY -- AND IT WAS BROUGHT BY LAFAYETTE. >> TO THE AMERICANS. >> AND THE ORIGINAL IN THE U.S., 23 00:03:53,566 --> 00:04:00,907 BY THE WAY. THIS IS JUST A COPY FOR ME. >> EMMANUEL MACRON IS VERY MUCH AN ORIGINAL, A CENTRIST 24 00:04:00,974 --> 00:04:10,183 DETERMINED TO SHAKE-UP THE STATUS QUO. SEVEN MONTHS INTO HIS SECOND TERM HE HAS SURVIVED MASSIVE 25 00:04:10,249 --> 00:04:18,725 STREET PROTESTS OVER HIGH COSTS AND TAXES, FOUGHT OFF TOUGH ELECTORAL CHALLENGES FROM THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT YET EXUDES AN 26 00:04:18,791 --> 00:04:32,505 AIR OF YOUTHFUL OPTIMISM. AT 44 YOU ARE THE SENIOR LEADER OF EUROPE. IS THAT A COMFORTABLE FIT? 27 00:04:32,572 --> 00:04:41,147 >> YES BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE BOTH EXPERIENCE AND ENERGY. >> SINCE FEBRUARY MUCH OF HIS EMERGENCY HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON 28 00:04:41,214 --> 00:04:47,987 THE WAR IN UKRAINE. IN THE U.S. IT CAN FEEL A WORLD AWAY. FROM MACRON'S VANTAGE POINT IT'S 29 00:04:48,054 --> 00:04:55,695 A WILDFIRE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THE RUSSIANS DECIDED 24th FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR TO LAUNCH THIS WAR. 30 00:04:55,762 --> 00:05:09,142 I THINK THEY MADE A HUGE -- A HUGE MISTAKE. THE FIRST ONE WAS NOT RESPECTING INTERNATIONAL LAW AND TO BREACH 31 00:05:09,208 --> 00:05:13,546 ALL THE PRINCIPLES THEY DID SIGN. AND THIS IS THE KILLER FOR THEIR CREDIBILITY. 32 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:22,855 AND SECOND BECAUSE PROBABLY THEY MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES IN TERMS OF ASSESSMENT OF THEIR OWN CAPACITIES AND THE UKRAINIAN 33 00:05:22,922 --> 00:05:34,200 CAPACITIES. AND NOW WHAT HAPPENS SINCE SEPTEMBER THEY DECIDED TO BOMB A LOT OF CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURES. 34 00:05:34,267 --> 00:05:43,609 AND THEIR PERSPECTIVE IS TO DESPAIR THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE. >> YOU HAVE SAID THAT ATTACKING CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURES IS A 35 00:05:43,676 --> 00:05:52,485 WAR CRIME. >> THIS IS A WAR CRIME. >> PRESIDENT MACRON HAD HOPED TO MEVENT ALL THIS WITH HIS OWN 36 00:05:52,552 --> 00:05:59,726 SHUTTLE DIPLOMACY THIS PAST WINTER, FLYING TO MOSCOW TO MEET ONE-ON-ONE WITH PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN. 37 00:05:59,792 --> 00:06:05,665 >> IT SEEMED YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD TALK HIM OUT OF THIS. >> INDEED THIS IS TRUE. I THOUGHT IT WAS FEASIBLE TO 38 00:06:05,732 --> 00:06:15,141 AVOID THE WAR AT THE TIME. >> STILL EMMANUEL MACRON HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO KEEP AN OPEN DIALOGUE WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN. 39 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:23,850 >> I ALWAYS MAINTAIN REGULAR COMMUNICATIONS AND DIRECT CONTACT WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE BEST 40 00:06:23,916 --> 00:06:32,892 WAY TO REENGAGE IS TO PRESERVE THE DIRECT CHANNEL. ISOLATION IS THE WORST THING ESPECIALLY FOR A LEADER LIKE 41 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:37,830 HIM. >> ISOLATION. >> ISOLATION. >> ALREADY THE WAR HAS CAUSED 42 00:06:37,897 --> 00:06:47,707 FOOD AND ENERGY PRICES TO SKYROCKET. HOW LONG CAN THE OPEN ENDED WESTERN SUPPORT OF UKRAINE GO 43 00:06:47,774 --> 00:06:56,582 ON? >> I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF US, MEANING EUROPEAN, AMERICANS, AND 44 00:06:56,649 --> 00:07:04,390 MAXIMUM NUMBER OF COUNTRIES IN THIS WORLD DO SUPPORT UKRAINE. IT'S CLEAR THAT RUSSIA AND ESPECIALLY PRESIDENT PUTIN 45 00:07:04,457 --> 00:07:17,503 DECIDED TO WEAPONIZE AT LEAST ENERGY AND FOOD, CREATING A LOT OF SHORTAGES, VOLATILITY, AND INFLATION. 46 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:24,677 AND I THINK HIS BET IS WAR FATIGUE AND SANCTION FATIGUE. >> SO HOW DOES THIS END? >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO 47 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:35,354 CONVEY THE MESSAGE THAT THIS IS THE UKRAINIAN DECIDE THAT. THE ONLY WAY TO FIND A SOLUTION WOULD BE THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS. 48 00:07:35,421 --> 00:07:40,359 I DON'T SEE MILITARY OPTION AS A PLAN. >> THE FRENCH PRESIDENT APPROACHES DIPLOMACY AND 49 00:07:40,426 --> 00:07:48,801 POLITICS WITH A COOL LOGIC YET OFTEN GENERATES HEAT. ON THE EVE OF HIS TRIP TO WASHINGTON HE TOLD US HE'D BE 50 00:07:48,868 --> 00:07:58,878 DIRECT WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN LIKE HE WAS WHEN THEY MET EARLY IN MR. BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY. >> MR. BIDEN SAID THAT HIS FIRST 51 00:07:58,945 --> 00:08:08,087 G7 MEETING AS PRESIDENT THAT HE WALKED INTO THE ROOM AND SAID THE UNITED STATES IS BACK AND THAT YOU SAID BUT FOR HOW LONG. 52 00:08:08,154 --> 00:08:18,531 DO YOU DOUBT THAT THE UNITED STATES IS A CONSISTENT AND RELIABLE ALLY? >> IF I LOOK AT THE 20th CENTURY 53 00:08:18,598 --> 00:08:26,939 I HAVE NO REASON TO HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT WHERE THE U.S. STANCE WHEN OUR LIBERTY AND VALUES ARE AT STAKE. 54 00:08:27,006 --> 00:08:39,685 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT RECENT PERIOD OF TIME SOME CHANGE OF ADMINISTRATION HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE, ON IRAN, ON 55 00:08:39,752 --> 00:08:46,826 SOME OF THE -- >> YOU MEAN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION? >> I DO. 56 00:08:46,893 --> 00:08:54,700 MY POINT IS I WANT US TO BE FRIENDS, I WANT TO BE PARTNERS. I WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THE U.S. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE 57 00:08:54,767 --> 00:09:01,073 DEPENDENT. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE JUST IMAGINE ON YOUR SIDE WOULD YOU ACCEPT AS U.S. 58 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:13,552 CITIZEN TO SAY MY SECURITY, MY WORLD DEPENDS ON AN ELECTION IN FRANCE. NO. 59 00:09:13,619 --> 00:09:22,728 I CANNOT IMAGINE. >> YOU THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A RESYNC OF RELATIONS. HOW HAVE RELATIONS BEEN OUT OF 60 00:09:22,795 --> 00:09:28,234 SYNC? >> I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION AND PRESIDENT BIDEN PERSONALLY IS VERY MUCH ATTACHED TO EUROPE. 61 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:40,179 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION TODAY, THERE IS INDEED A DESYNCHRONIZATION. WHY? 62 00:09:40,246 --> 00:09:51,057 EUROPE IS A GAS AND OIL BUYER, THE U.S. IS A PRODUCER. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION OUR INDUSTRIES, NOW 63 00:09:51,123 --> 00:10:00,232 HOUSEHOLDS ARE BUYING AT THE SAME PRICE. SO THERE IS A BIG GAP IMPACTING POWER AND COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR 64 00:10:00,299 --> 00:10:05,071 SOCIETY. >> WITH RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS DRASTICALLY CUT EUROPE IS BUYING MORE FROM THE U.S. BUT AT A 65 00:10:05,137 --> 00:10:13,846 PRICE AS MUCH AS SIX TIMES WHAT AMERICANS PAY. THIS AT A TIME WHEN INFLATION AND UNEMPLOYMENT IN FRANCE ARE 66 00:10:13,913 --> 00:10:20,052 HOVERING AROUND 7%. YOU HAVE SAID THAT'S NOT HOW FRIENDS BEHAVE. >> YEAH. 67 00:10:20,119 --> 00:10:27,293 WE ARE VERY MUCH ENGAGED TOGETHER IN THIS WAR FOR THE SAME PRINCIPLES. BUT THE COST OF THIS WAR IS NOT 68 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:36,135 THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ATLANTIC. AND YOU SHOULD -- YOU SHOULD BE VERY AWARE OF THAT. 69 00:10:36,202 --> 00:10:44,577 >> PRESIDENT MACRON ALSO POINTS TO THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT OR IRA, NEW LEGISLATION DESIGNED TO GROW GREEN JOBS IN THE U.S. 70 00:10:44,643 --> 00:10:51,384 WITH SUBSIDIES AND TAX CREDITS FOR ELECTRIC CARS AND CLEAN ENERGY MANUFACTURING IN NORTH AMERICA. 71 00:10:51,450 --> 00:10:58,224 >> BUT THEY ARE AT THIS VERY MOMENT OF THE WAR A KILLER FOR OUR INDUSTRY. >> A KILLER FOR YOUR INDUSTRY. 72 00:10:58,290 --> 00:11:05,564 >> FOR SURE. THE U.S. DECIDED 2 1/2 MONTHS AGO TO SUBSIDIZE MUCH MORE BIG NEW GREEN PROJECTS, WHICH MEANS 73 00:11:05,631 --> 00:11:15,007 FOR BATTERY, FOR HYDROGEN, FOR A LOT OF THINGS. A LOT OF SUBSIDIES IS NOW TWO TO THREE TIMES HIGHER IN THE U.S. 74 00:11:15,074 --> 00:11:21,881 THAN IN EUROPE. WE ARE TOTALLY ALIGNED IN THIS CONFLICT. WE WORK HARD, AND I THINK IF THE 75 00:11:21,947 --> 00:11:28,721 DAY AFTER THE CONFLICT THE RESULT IS TO HAVE A WEAKER EUROPE BECAUSE A LOT OF ITS INDUSTRY WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST 76 00:11:28,788 --> 00:11:35,194 KILLED, I DO BELIEVE IT'S NOT THE INTEREST OF THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION AND EVEN THE U.S. SOCIETY. 77 00:11:35,261 --> 00:11:40,099 I THINK THE MAIN INTEREST IS OBVIOUSLY TO PROTECT YOUR MIDDLE CLASSES, WHICH IS A VERY FAIR ONE. 78 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:51,210 I DO THE SAME FOR MY COUNTRY. AND IT'S TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH CHINA, BUT THE RESULT OF THE RECENT DECISION IN THIS MOMENTUM 79 00:11:51,277 --> 00:11:58,818 I WOULD SAY IS IT'S BAD FOR EUROPE. >> PRESIDENT MACRON BROUGHT THOSE CONCERNS TO THE WHITE 80 00:11:58,884 --> 00:12:06,392 HOUSE THIS PAST THURSDAY. >> WE WANT TO BUILD PEACE -- >> AFTER THE POMP AND PAGEANTRY THE TWO PRESIDENTS RETIRED TO 81 00:12:06,459 --> 00:12:13,332 THE OVAL OFFICE AND CABINET ROOM, DISCUSSED THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD FOR TWO HOURS, AND EMERGED UNIFIED. 82 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:21,574 >> FRANCE IS ONE OF OUR STRONGEST PARTNERS. WE SHARE THE SAME VALUES AND ADDRESS ALL CHALLENGES TOGETHER. 83 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,813 >> AFTER MEETING WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND A HALF HOUR BEFORE RACING OFF TO THE STATE DINNER -- 84 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:34,453 >> HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M FINE. >> -- PRESIDENT MACRON TALKED WITH US AT BLAIRE HOUSE, THE 85 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,993 PRESIDENTIAL GUESTHOUSE. >> AS WE WERE TALKING IN PARIS, YOU'RE A MAN WHO LIKES TO BE DIRECT AND LOOK SOMEONE IN THE 86 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:49,768 EYE. SO YOU'RE SITTING ACROSS FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHAT DID YOU TELL HIM ABOUT THE CHALLENGES, 87 00:12:49,835 --> 00:12:59,545 THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IS INFLICTING ON YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR PEOPLE? >> WE HAD A VERY GOOD AND FRANK 88 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:10,523 AND FRUITFUL DISCUSSION. PRESIDENT BIDEN'S INTENTION IS TO MAKE HIS COUNTRY STRONGER, CREATE JOBS HERE, TO 89 00:13:10,589 --> 00:13:17,196 INDUSTRIALIZE, AND AT THE SAME TIME TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUES AND HAVE MORE AND MORE GREEN INDUSTRY IN YOUR COUNTRY. 90 00:13:17,263 --> 00:13:22,735 I DO SHARE THE SUBJECT, I DO RESPECT THE SUBJECT. AND GUESS WHAT, I HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR MY COUNTRY. 91 00:13:22,801 --> 00:13:30,476 >> IT SOUNDED IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE LIKE THE TWO OF YOU AGREED TO DISAGREE OR TO AT LEAST KEEP TALKING. 92 00:13:30,543 --> 00:13:34,980 WHAT WE SAY IN THE UNITED STATES IS IT SOUNDED LIKE THE TWO OF YOU DECIDED TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. 93 00:13:35,047 --> 00:13:43,489 >> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. HONESTLY, SPEAKING IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT TO DISAGREE. IT IS A STRATEGY AGREEMENT. 94 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:51,197 AND I DO THINK WE SHARE NOW MUCH MORE IN-DEPTH OUR STRATEGY ON BOTH SIDES. >> BUT YOU TOLD US IN PARIS THAT 95 00:13:51,263 --> 00:13:56,235 THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IS AN INDUSTRY KILLER, A JOB KILLER. >> FOR EUROPE. 96 00:13:56,302 --> 00:14:05,244 >> FOR EUROPE. AND WITH UNEMPLOYMENT AND INFLATION IN FRANCE HOVERING AROUND 7%, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS 97 00:14:05,311 --> 00:14:12,284 URGENT TO GET A RESOLUTION. >> I CONFIRM. THIS IS WHY I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHAT WE DECIDED WITH PRESIDENT 98 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:21,794 BIDEN IS PRECISELY TO FIX THIS ISSUE, AND THEY ARE FIXABLE. >> WHAT CAN BE FIXED? HE SAID HE COULD THINK OF SOME 99 00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:26,832 TWEAKS. SOME TWEAKS. IS THAT ENOUGH? >> MY POINT WAS TO SAY IT WAS 100 00:14:26,899 --> 00:14:31,403 URGENT TO RAISE THIS ISSUE. WE DID IT. IT WAS URGENT TO DISCUSS IN-DEPTH ABOUT IT. 101 00:14:31,470 --> 00:14:36,809 WE DID IT THIS MORNING TOGETHER. IT IS URGE WANT AND WE CAN O IT. >> YOU ARE THE SENIOR POLITICIAN 102 00:14:36,875 --> 00:14:45,017 IN EUROPE RIGHT NOW, SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO EUROPE WHAT DO YOU TELL YOUR EUROPEAN PARTNERS? WAS THIS STATE VISIT A SUCCESS? 103 00:14:45,084 --> 00:14:51,257 >> YES, DEFINITELY. NUMBER ONE BECAUSE WE DID CONFIRM OUR TOTAL ALIGNMENT ON THE UKRAINIAN SITUATION. 104 00:14:51,323 --> 00:15:02,768 SECOND, WE HAD A VERY FRUITFUL DISCUSSION ON THIS CONTEXT AND THE SIDE EFFECTS. AND WE WILL FIX IT IN THE 105 00:15:02,835 --> 00:15:08,507 SHORT-TERM. THIRD, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERGENCE ON CLIMATE CHANGE, HEALTH, SECURITY IN AFRICA AND A 106 00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:13,445 LOT OF PROJECTS. SO FOR ME THIS IS A VERY GOOD STATE VISIT WITH A LOT OF VERY POSITIVE OUTCOMES. 107 00:15:13,512 --> 00:15:33,899 I CAN TELL YOU. >>> MORE FROM PRESIDENT MACRON. >> SHOULD VLADIMIR PUTIN BE CHARGED WITH WA 108 00:15:33,966 --> 00:15:40,572 >>> MOZAMBIQUE'S GORONGOSA NATIONAL PARK WAS THE ENVY OF AFRICA. WILDLIFE DREW TOURISTS FROM 109 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:52,284 AROUND THE WORLD. BUT BEGINNING IN THE 1960s A MAN-MADE CATASTROPHE SLAUGHTERED THE ANIMALS UNTIL IT WAS SAID 110 00:15:52,351 --> 00:15:59,625 THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT BUT MOSQUITOS AND LAND MINES. IN 2008 WE FOLLOWED AN AMERICAN ENTREPRENEUR WHO DREAMED OF 111 00:15:59,692 --> 00:16:07,900 RETURNING A WASTELAND TO GREATNESS. NOW 14 YEARS LATER GREG CARR HAS SOMETHING TO SHOW THE WORLD, AND 112 00:16:07,966 --> 00:16:18,844 WE COULDN'T RESIST A RETURN TO GORONGOSA WHEN CARR SENDS INVITATIONS LIKE THIS. >> JUST COME AND SIT AT A SUNSET 113 00:16:18,911 --> 00:16:29,788 BY THE LAKE IN THE CENTER OF THIS NATIONAL PARK. I MEAN, TIME STOPS. AND YOU GET A HUNDRED COLORS OF 114 00:16:29,855 --> 00:16:39,298 THE YELLOW, A HUNDRED COLORS OF ORANGE, AND THEN THE DUSK SETS IN, AND THEN A FLOCK OF BIRDS GO OVER THE WATER. 115 00:16:39,365 --> 00:16:48,140 AND THERE'S A HIPPO OVER THERE MAKING A NOISE, AND THERE'S AN IMPALA OVER THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, 116 00:16:48,207 --> 00:16:55,481 I COULD HAVE BEEN HERE A HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS AGO AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SAME. >> GREG CARR'S WONDER IS ALMOST 117 00:16:55,547 --> 00:17:03,522 LIKE DISBELIEF. A MILLION ACRES OF AFRICA REBORN. >> WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE IN 118 00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:21,039 2004 I COULD DRIVE AROUND WITH MY MOZAMBICAN FRIENDS ALL DAY LONG AND IF WE WERE LUCKY MAYBE WE'D SEE ONE BABOON OR ONE HOG 119 00:17:21,106 --> 00:17:29,815 OR SOMETHING. NOW WE DRIVE AROUND AND IT'S AN OCEAN OF WILDLIFE. COME AROUND THE CORNER THERE'S A 120 00:17:29,882 --> 00:17:36,221 HERD OF ELEPHANTS, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE OTHER DIRECTION THERE'S SOME LION CUBS. 10,000 WATERBUCK AND I SAY TO 121 00:17:36,288 --> 00:17:41,794 MYSELF YOU KNOW WHAT? NATURE CAN REBOUND. >> THE REBOUND IS IN SOUTHEAST AFRICA. 122 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:50,369 NEAR THE CENTER OF THE MOZAMBIQUE. HERE 28 YEARS OF WAR FROM THE '60s TO THE '90s, KILLED AN 123 00:17:50,436 --> 00:17:58,310 ESTIMATED 1 MILLION PEOPLE AND WIPED OUT 95% OF THE WILDLIFE IN GORONGOSA FOR FOOD AND PROFIT. AS THE WAR RAGED IN THE 1980s 124 00:17:58,377 --> 00:18:05,284 GREG CARR WAS A TECH ENTREPRENEUR WHO'D MADE A FORTUNE PERFECTING VOICE MAIL. HE QUIT BUSINESS TO DEVOTED 125 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:21,934 HIMSELF TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND IN 2004 HE MET MOZAMBIQUE'S PRESIDENT JOAQUIM CHISSANO WHO MADE A WILD PITCH. 126 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:32,845 >> AND HE SAID LOOK, PLEASE, COME TO MOZAMBIQUE AND HELP US. WE WANT TO RESTORE OUR NATIONAL PARK. 127 00:18:32,911 --> 00:18:38,817 >> WHEN WE MET CARR IN 2008 HIS NON-PROFIT FOUNDATION HAD SIGNED A 20-YEAR CONTRACT WITH MOZAMBIQUE. 128 00:18:38,884 --> 00:18:44,289 HIS PLAN WAS TO IMPORT ANIMALS FROM ALL OVER AFRICA. >> WELL, STEP ONE, WE HAD TO REMOVE 20,000 TRAPS AND WIRE 129 00:18:44,356 --> 00:18:53,165 SNARES THAT WERE LEFT IN THIS PARK. WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE WE THINK WE HAD FIVE OR SIX LIONS MAYBE. 130 00:18:53,232 --> 00:19:01,306 >> IN A MILLION ACRES? >> IN A MILLION ACRES. AND THE LIONS THAT WE DID HAVE MOST OF THEM HAD THREE LEGS 131 00:19:01,373 --> 00:19:09,715 BECAUSE THEY HAD STEPPED IN A TRAP OR SOMETHING. FIRST BRING IN THE HERBIVORES, SO WE BRING IN 200 BUFFALO, 200 132 00:19:09,781 --> 00:19:15,587 WILDEBEESTS, SOME ZEBRA. THEN WHEN YOU HAVE ENOUGH HERBIVORES YOU'RE GOING TO WANT THE CARNIVORES BACK. 133 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:23,295 SO WE ININTRODUCED THE LAB BIRDS, REINTRODUCED HYENAS. THEIR NUMBERS TOOK OFF. SO FROM FIVE OR SIX LIONS WHEN 134 00:19:23,362 --> 00:19:32,237 WE STARTED WE NOW PROBABLY HAVE 200. >> GORONGOSA'S LION CONSERVATION IS URGENT BECAUSE SINCE 1950 135 00:19:32,304 --> 00:19:40,646 AFRICA'S LION POPULATION HAS FALLEN FROM HALF A MILLION TO 20,000 DUE TO HABITAT LOSS AND HUNTING. 136 00:19:40,712 --> 00:19:50,355 WE SAW HOW GORONGOSA IS PROTECTING ITS LIONS ON A MISSION WITH PARK VETERINARIAN ANTONIO PAOLO. 137 00:19:50,422 --> 00:19:57,095 >> OKAY. I WILL SHOOT NOW. >> PAOLO FIRED A TRANQUILALIZER DART. 138 00:19:57,162 --> 00:20:06,171 RIGHT ON TARGET. AND A 3000-POUND LION ESZ LED US ON A CHASE. SHE LEFT US BEHIND, BUT SHE 139 00:20:06,238 --> 00:20:14,246 COULDN'T OUTRUN THE SEDATIVE. THERE SHE IS. >> YEAH, SHE'S THERE SLEEPING. >> SHE'D BE OUT ABOUT AN HOUR AS 140 00:20:14,313 --> 00:20:22,854 DR. PAOLO CHANGED HER FAILING GPS COLLAR. THE SIGNAL GOES TO HEADQUARTERS WHERE THEY TRACK THE PRIDES AND 141 00:20:22,921 --> 00:20:29,995 HERDS. A BIT OF EAR WAS NICKED FOR GENETIC TEST, AND THEN THERE WAS A SURPRISE. 142 00:20:30,062 --> 00:20:35,267 YOU THINK SHE'S PREGNANT? >> YEAH, SHE LOOKS PREGNANT. >> AND THERE'S THE FUTURE OF THE PARK. 143 00:20:35,334 --> 00:20:48,347 >> YES, THE FUTURE CUBS OF THE PARK. >> LATER SHE AWOKE AND HEADED OUT WITH HER FUTURE CUB. 144 00:20:48,413 --> 00:20:55,721 >> I NEVER IMAGINED IT WOULD GO SO WELL AND SO FAST. IN 2018 WE DID AN AERIAL SURVEY. SO COUNTING ONLY THE BIG 145 00:20:55,787 --> 00:21:07,899 ANIMALS, WE COUNTED 100,000 LARGE ANIMALS FROM THE AIR. >> THRILLED AS HE IS, IT WASN'T WILDLIFE THAT DREW THIS 146 00:21:07,966 --> 00:21:17,175 63-YEAR-OLD IDAHO NATIVE TO AFRICA. IN 2008 HE INTRODUCED US TO THE 200,000 PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THE 147 00:21:17,242 --> 00:21:24,716 PARK, SURVIVORS OF THE WARS LIVING ON A DOLLAR A DAY. >> PEOPLE HAD NOTHING. I MEAN THEY DIDN'T HAVE CLOTHES. 148 00:21:24,783 --> 00:21:31,523 THEY WERE WEARING RAGS OR HAD CLOTHES MADE OF TREE BARK. THEY WERE EATING INSECTS AND TRYING TO CATCH MICE. 149 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:40,399 THAT'S WHEN IT STRUCK ME, WELL, THIS NATIONAL PARK IS GOING TO HAVE TO HELP THE PEOPLE. >> TODAY GORONGOSA NATIONAL PARK 150 00:21:40,465 --> 00:21:48,607 EMPLOYS 1,600 WORKERS. TOURISM BRINGS IN CASH, WHICH GOES TO THE PEOPLE AND TO THE PARK. 151 00:21:48,674 --> 00:21:55,180 AND GREG CARR HAS PARTNERED WITH THE GOVERNMENT ON HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION. CARR IS THE BIGGEST DONOR, BUT 152 00:21:55,247 --> 00:22:04,656 U.S. FOREIGN AID KICKS IN ABOUT $6 MILLION A YEAR. >> WE NOW WORK IN 89 PRIMARY SCHOOLS, WHICH IS EVERY SINGLE 153 00:22:04,723 --> 00:22:09,227 SCHOOL THAT SURROUNDS THIS NATIONAL PARK. WE ARE TRAINING 600 SCHOOLTEACHERS RIGHT NOW. 154 00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:16,802 NOW, THINK ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO CREATE A SCHOOL SYSTEM WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SCHOOLTEACHERS THAT KNOW HOW TO 155 00:22:16,868 --> 00:22:24,142 READ AND WRITE BECAUSE OF GENERATIONS OF WAR. NOW, SOMETHING WE REALLY FOCUSED ON AS STEP ONE WAS REALLY 156 00:22:24,209 --> 00:22:31,917 VULNERABLE GIRLS. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IN THE POOR FAMILIES AROUND HERE A GIRL TURNS 13 OR 14 AND THE 157 00:22:31,983 --> 00:22:39,224 FAMILY SAYS IT'S TIME FOR HER TO GET MARRIED. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AND SHE MARRIES A FARMER AND THAT'S IT. 158 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:49,101 SO WE STARTED SOMETHING CALLED THE GIRLS CLUB. >> THERE ARE 3,000 GIRLS IN 92 AFTER-SCHOOL CLUBS. 159 00:22:49,167 --> 00:23:00,212 THE PROGRAM IS LED BY LARISSA SOUSA. WHY IS THIS THE JOB OF A CONSERVATION PARK? 160 00:23:00,278 --> 00:23:05,951 >> WHY NOT? IT SHOULD BE THE JOB FOR EVERYONE. EDUCATION IS FOR EVERYONE. 161 00:23:06,017 --> 00:23:12,791 >> THE CLUBS PROVIDE THE RESOURCES TO GET THE GIRLS INTO HIGH SCHOOL, AND IT GIVES STUDENTS AN ANSWER TO OUR 162 00:23:12,858 --> 00:23:22,868 QUESTION, WHICH FIVE YEARS AGO WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SENSE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE? WE HAVE A TEACHER, A NURSE, A 163 00:23:22,934 --> 00:23:30,041 CONSERVATION PARK RANGER AND ANOTHER NURSE. >> ANOTHER NURSE, YES. WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM THEY 164 00:23:30,108 --> 00:23:33,845 DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD THIS CHOICE. >> AND NOW THEY DO. >> NOW THEY DO. 165 00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:38,583 >> THIS LAND BELONGS TO THESE PEOPLE. THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER. IT'S THEIR ANIMALS, IT'S THEIR 166 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:45,690 LAND, IT'S THEIR TREES, IT'S THEIR CULTURAL AND SPEARUAL HERITAGE, RIGHT? IT'S AN IDEA THAT CAME FROM MY 167 00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:53,098 HERO, NELSON MANDELA. AND THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE A HUMAN RIGHTS PARK. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, RIGHT? 168 00:23:53,165 --> 00:23:58,637 A PARK THAT CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE, A PARK THAT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE. SO INSTEAD OF A PARK TURNING ITS 169 00:23:58,703 --> 00:24:11,216 BACK ON THE PEOPLE, A PARK OPENING ITSELF TO THE PEOPLE AND SAYING THIS IS YOUR PARK, THESE ARE YOUR ANIMALS, THESE ARE YOUR 170 00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:18,256 OPPORTUNITIES. >> WE SAW THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ON MOUNT GORONGOSA, WHICH WAS STRIPPED OF TREES DURING THE 171 00:24:18,323 --> 00:24:25,030 WARS. HERE CARR'S NON-PROFIT FOUNDATION IS GIVING AWAY COFFEE TREES. 172 00:24:25,096 --> 00:24:35,507 868 FAMILY FARMERS WORKING FOR THEMSELVES ARE EARNING FAR MORE THAN EVER, SO THEY CAN'T PLANT TREES FAST ENOUGH, WHICH 173 00:24:35,574 --> 00:24:45,116 REFORESTS THE MOUNTAIN. CARR'S FOUNDATION BUYS THE BEANS AT ABOVE THE MARKET RATE AND BUILT THE FARMERS A ROASTING 174 00:24:45,183 --> 00:24:52,157 PLANT. THERE'S NO BETTER EXAMPLE OF CARR'S MODEL FOR LIFTING PEOPLE AND HEALING THE WILD. 175 00:24:52,224 --> 00:25:01,233 IT'S WORKING, BUT THE LAST 14 YEARS HAVEN'T BEEN SWEET MUSIC ALONE. SINCE WE WERE HERE IN 2008. 176 00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:05,604 >> YES. >> THERE HAVE BEEN ENORMOUS ROADBLOCKS TO THIS PROJECT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 177 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:13,278 IF I HAD KNOWN THEN WHAT WAS GOING TO COME -- >> WHAT CAME WAS ANOTHER CIVIL WAR IN 2013. 178 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:26,057 AND THEN IN 2019 A CYCLONE LEVELED 100,000 HOMES. >> OKAY, THERE WAS THE SIX YEARS OF WAR, AND THEN THE CYCLONE. 179 00:25:26,124 --> 00:25:34,432 WHEN CYCLONE IDAI HIT BASICALLY EVERY ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES BECAME A FIRST RESPONDER. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, OH, THERE'S 180 00:25:34,499 --> 00:25:44,209 AN ELEPHANT RIGHT THERE. >> IS THERE? WELL, THERE CERTAINLY IS. >> I JUST HAVE TO STOP AND SAY 181 00:25:44,276 --> 00:25:51,449 HELLO TO THE ELEPHANT. >> WE CANNOT FIND THE WILDLIFE IN 2008. >> AND NOW THEY'RE INTERRUPTING 182 00:25:51,516 --> 00:25:55,987 OUR INTERVIEW. >> NOW THEY'RE WALKING IN ON THE INTERVIEW. WAS THERE EVER A TIME YOU 183 00:25:56,054 --> 00:26:02,027 THOUGHT TO YOURSELF I DID MY BEST BUT THIS JUST ISN'T GOING TO BE HUMANLY POSSIBLE? >> NOT FOR A SECOND. 184 00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:07,499 NOT FOR ONE SECOND. >> WITH THE CYCLONES, WITH THE RETURN OF THE CIVIL WAR. >> I JUST THINK EVERY TIME 185 00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:13,538 SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, IT JUST MAKES YOU MORE DETERMINED, NOT LESS DETERMINED. AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE 186 00:26:13,605 --> 00:26:20,345 SUFFERING IN A WAR THAT NEED HELP OR PEOPLE SUFFERING A CYCLONE AND THEY NEED HELP, YOU'RE MORE COMMITTED. 187 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:33,792 YOU DON'T LOSE COMMITMENT AT A TIME LIKE THAT. >> WE SAW COMMITMENT IN THE RANGERS WHO PROTECT THE PARK. 188 00:26:33,858 --> 00:26:45,337 FOR THE FLORA AND THE FAUNA, THEY SING, WE WILL DIE FOR OUR PARK. PART OF WHAT THEY PROTECT ARE 189 00:26:45,403 --> 00:26:58,116 ENDANGERED SPECIES INCLUDING THIS MAMMAL WITH A BOTTOMLESS TASTE FOR TERMITES. PANGOLINS ARE HUNTED FOR THEIR 190 00:26:58,183 --> 00:27:05,690 SCALES WHICH ARE PRIZED IN FOLK MEDICINE. VETERINARIAN MERCIA ANGELA TOLD US THAT THEY RIDE ON THEIR 191 00:27:05,757 --> 00:27:10,729 MOTHER'S BACKS, BUT WE FOUND ANY BACK WILL DO. THAT'S FUNNY. HE JUST NATURALLY GOES RIGHT UP 192 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:14,599 TO THE SHOULDER AND HANGS ON YOUR BACK. >> YEAH. >> POWERFUL TAIL. 193 00:27:14,666 --> 00:27:23,341 >> YEAH, THE TAIL IS VERY POWERFUL. THEY'RE ALSO USED FOR PROTECTION. 194 00:27:23,408 --> 00:27:30,248 >> I'M SURPRISED THEY'RE SO DOCILE. I MEAN, THIS IS A WILD ANIMAL. >> YES, IT'S A WILD ANIMAL. 195 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:40,225 >> BUT FOR US THE MOST INTERESTING ANIMAL IN THE PARK IS GREG CARR, AN ENTREPRENEUR WITH THE EMPATHY TO SEE, THE 196 00:27:40,291 --> 00:27:49,334 HUMILITY TO LISTEN, AND THE OPTIMISM TO ACT. HIS BUSINESS MODEL IS CREATING A NEW ECOSYSTEM WHERE ANIMALS THAT 197 00:27:49,401 --> 00:27:58,576 WERE HUNTED ARE SUDDENLY WORTH MUCH MORE ALIVE. HOW MUCH OF YOUR PERSONAL FORTUNE HAVE YOU PUT INTO THIS? 198 00:27:58,643 --> 00:28:06,584 >> WELL -- WELL, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT A SECRET, BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY DO THE MATH AND FIGURE 199 00:28:06,651 --> 00:28:13,558 IT OUT. IT'S MORE THAN $100 MILLION. MY MESSAGE TO ANYBODY WITH MONEY IS, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING 200 00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:20,165 TO DO? STICK IT ALL IN YOUR CASKET? WHY NOT ENJOY THE JOY OF PHILANTHROPY? 201 00:28:20,231 --> 00:28:28,907 I WOULD SAY TO THE BILLIONAIRE NEXT DOOR GO OUT AND ENJOY SPENDING YOUR MONEY TO HELP SOME PEOPLE. 202 00:28:28,973 --> 00:28:36,881 >> FIND YOUR GORONGOSA. >> FIND YOUR GORONGOSA, AND IT WILL BLESS YOU MORE THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY EVER BLESS IT. 203 00:28:47,692 --> 00:28:54,232 >>> YOU'D EXPECT A 600-YEAR-OLD SPORT TO HAVE PLAYED THROUGH ITS IDENTITY CRISIS. NOT THE CASE FOR POOL. 204 00:28:54,299 --> 00:29:03,942 THE SPORT'S VERY NAME COMES FROM POOLING MONEY TO DETERMINE ODDS AND WAGERING LENDS POOL MYSTIQUE. 205 00:29:04,008 --> 00:29:11,416 HUSTLING AND POOL GO TOGETHER LIKE A CUE STICK AND CHALK. BUT THAT'S AS MUCH A CURSE AS A BLESSING. 206 00:29:11,483 --> 00:29:20,892 HOW CAN A SPORT THRIVE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL WHEN SO MUCH OF IT EXISTS IN THE SHADOWS? WELL, HERE COMES SHANE VAN 207 00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:27,532 BOENING FROM RAPID CITY. AGE 39 WITH NO INTEREST IN GAMBLING, HE'S ARGUABLY THE BEST AMERICAN PLAYER EVER TO BREAK A 208 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:35,073 RACK AND RANKED NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD FOR 2022. HE ALSO HAPPENS TO BE DEAF. CAN THE SOUTH DAKOTA HELP TURN 209 00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:45,984 POOL POPULAR IN BARS AND BASEMENTS BUT NOT ON TV INTO A PROPER PRO SPORT? >> WE HIT THE CIRCUIT WITH HIM 210 00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:52,223 TO FIND OUT. ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER CASINO HOTEL. SHANE VAN BOENING SPENDS 300 211 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:58,930 DAYS A YEAR ON THE ROAD PLAYING PROFESSIONAL POOL. TODAY HE'S CLOCKING IN EARLY AT THE JAM BU REE OF THE AMERICAN 212 00:29:58,997 --> 00:30:06,137 POOL TOURNAMENTS, THE DERBY CITY CLASSIC. HELD EVERY JANUARY OUTSIDE LEWISVILLE, DERBY CITY IS A 213 00:30:06,204 --> 00:30:12,944 COLORFUL EXPRESSION OF POOL'S SPLIT PERSONALITY. THEY COMPETE 12 HOURS A DAY FOR NINE DAYS IN MULTIPLE EVENTS. 214 00:30:13,011 --> 00:30:22,420 THIS WINNER IS SMILING EAR TO EAR AND HIS CHECK TOPS OUT AT $16,000, BUT UPSTAIRS ITS A DIFFERENT ECONOMY. 215 00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:38,036 BEHOLD POOL'S ZESTIER SIDE, POP UP ACTION ROOMS, STANDING ROOM ONLY WHERE PROS, AMATEURS AND WANNA BEES ALIKE COME FOR THE 216 00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:42,774 COMPETITION. TEN SOMETIMES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, BIG TIMBER THEY CALL IT, CHANGE HANDS 217 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:51,082 BEFORE THE SUN COMES UP. ONE PLAYER WE DIDN'T SEE PLAYING UPSTAIRS, SHANE VAN BOENING, A GENERATIONAL TALENT KNOWN FOR 218 00:30:51,149 --> 00:30:58,656 HIS KILLER BREAK, VAN BOENING HAS WON THE U.S. OPEN FIVE TIMES AND BEEN NAMED PLAYER OF THE DECADE. 219 00:30:58,723 --> 00:31:04,862 DEAF SINCE BIRTH HE WEARS HEARING AIDS AND SHUTS DOWN ANY QUESTION THIS MAKES IT HARDER FOR HIM TO PLAY POOL. 220 00:31:04,929 --> 00:31:10,068 >> IT'S ACTUALLY A BIG ADVANTAGE FOR ME. >> HOW'S THAT? >> WHEN I PLAY A POOL TOURNAMENT 221 00:31:10,134 --> 00:31:20,411 I CAN JUST SHUT IT OFF. >> DO YOU SHUT YOUR HEARING AIDS OFF WHEN YOU PLAY? >> WHEN I WON MY FIRST OPEN I 222 00:31:20,478 --> 00:31:28,920 HAD FOCUS. >> TOTAL SILENCE. >> I'M 100% ZONED INCH. >> NEVER MORE ZONED IN THAN 223 00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:38,529 2018, POOL'S ANSWER TO GOLF'S RYDER CUP. HE CLOSED IT OUT WITH AN OFF ANGLE, LONG DISTANCE COMBO. 224 00:31:38,596 --> 00:31:46,938 THIS HIGH RISK, HIGH REWARD PRESSURE PACKED SHOT. >> WHAT A SHOT. SHANE VAN BOENING AND TEAM USA, 225 00:31:47,005 --> 00:31:53,344 UNBELIEVABLE FINISH. >> THINK YOU COULD HAVE MADE THAT SHOT? WE WENT TO RAPID CITY, SOUTH 226 00:31:53,411 --> 00:32:01,586 DAKOTA, A SIDE POCKET OF AMERICA, TO VAN BOENING'S POOL HALL WHERE HE EXPLAINS MAKING BALLS DISAPPEAR INTO POCKETS IS 227 00:32:01,653 --> 00:32:07,425 ONLY HALF OF POOL EXCELLENCE. IT'S ALSO ABOUT SETTING UP YOUR NEXT SHOTS, CUE BALL CONTROL, THEY CALL IT. 228 00:32:07,492 --> 00:32:16,200 >> I'M GOING TO MAKE THE CUE BALL STOP RIGHT HERE SO I CAN SHOOT THE TWO IN THE SIDE. THEN I'M GOING TO -- 229 00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:21,139 >> YOU DID THAT HOW? HOW DID YOU DO THAT? >> JUST HIT IT RIGHT BELOW CENTER. 230 00:32:21,205 --> 00:32:28,446 >> SO NOW IT LINES UP THAT NEXT BALL PERFECTLY. >> YEAH. >> I'M SO STRUCK BY THE GEOMETRY 231 00:32:28,513 --> 00:32:36,821 >> YEAH, I LOVE GEOMETRY. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ANGLES. >> VAN BOENING SAYS HE CAN SEE EVERY ANGLE ON THE TABLE, A 232 00:32:36,888 --> 00:32:41,959 SIXTH SENSE THAT COMES FROM PRACTICING AS MUCH AS TEN HOURS A DAY, SHOOTING HALF A MILLION BALLS A YEAR. 233 00:32:42,026 --> 00:32:46,431 >> I WANT TO MAKE THE SHOT PERFECT. THE ONLY WAY TO HIT IT PERFECT, YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT OVER AND 234 00:32:46,497 --> 00:32:52,837 OVER AND OVER. >> CAN YOU BE PERFECT IN THIS SPORT? >> NO. 235 00:32:52,904 --> 00:33:01,679 I TRY SO HARD ALL THESE YEARS. >> VAN BOENING COMES BY IT HONESTY. HIS GRANDFATHER GARY BLOOMBERG, 236 00:33:01,746 --> 00:33:11,155 A KNOWN TRICK SHOT ARTIST, OPENED POOL HALLS IN THE '90s. BUT THESE ROOMS WERE FAMILY FRIENDLY PLACES, SO MUCH SO 237 00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:18,429 SHANE GOT HIS FIRST POOL CUE WHEN HE WAS 2 AND WENT TO THE POOLROOM EVERY DAY AFTER SCHOOL NOT JUST TO PLAY BUT TO ESCAPE 238 00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:26,838 KIDS WHO PICKED ON HIM FOR BEING DEAF. HOW BAD DID IT GET? >> THE KIDS WOULD START THROWING 239 00:33:26,904 --> 00:33:32,710 ROCKS AT ME. THEY WOULD PUT GUM IN MY HAIR AND I WOULD GO HOME TO MY MOM AND I'D BE GOING HOME CRYING. 240 00:33:32,777 --> 00:33:42,553 YOU KNOW, AND THEN SHE MADE ME FEEL BETTER BY ASKING ME DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE POOL? >> WHY DID COMING TO THE 241 00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:49,527 POOLROOM MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER? >> WHEN I WALK INTO THE POOLROOM YOU SEE PEOPLE HAVING A GOOD TIME. 242 00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:57,502 >> BUT IT WAS MORE THAN THAT. HE HAD PRODIGIOUS ABILITY FOR THINKING MULTIPLE STROKES AHEAD. WHEN HE WAS 18 HE HIT THE ROAD. 243 00:33:57,568 --> 00:34:04,876 HE AND HIS UNCLE LOADED INTO THE RV LOOKING FOR MONEY GAMES. OF COURSE THEY DID, THE HUSTLER, THAT STEALTH ROAD MAN ARMED ONLY 244 00:34:04,942 --> 00:34:12,450 WITH A WOODEN STICK AND CONFIDENCE, DIVORCING THE LOCALS FROM THEIR CASH HAD BEEN ROMANTICIZED FOR DECADES NOT 245 00:34:12,517 --> 00:34:20,258 LEAST BY PAUL NEWMAN. THIS REPORTER WAS SO SO TAKEN BY POOL HUSTLING HE ONCE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. 246 00:34:20,324 --> 00:34:26,230 FOR VAN BOENING IT HIT THE ROCKS ABRUPTLY. >> I ACTUALLY WAS PLAYING TOOL IN TENNESSEE, AND I WAS PLAYING 247 00:34:26,297 --> 00:34:32,370 THIS GUY FOR MONEY AND WE WERE PLAYING FOR A WHOLE LOT, AND HE WAS LOSING. AND HE PICKED UP THE CUE BALL 248 00:34:32,437 --> 00:34:41,813 AND THREW IT AT ME. >> WHERE'D HE HIT YOU? >> HIT ME RIGHT ON THE CHEST. >> THE KIND OF THING YOU TO DO 249 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:48,286 TO START A FIGHT. HOW'D YOU REACT? >> I TOLD MY UNCLE I SAID I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE. 250 00:34:48,352 --> 00:34:54,892 I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THE ROAD ANYMORE. IT'S TOO DANGEROUS. >> HE CHOSE TO GO LEGIT AND 251 00:34:54,959 --> 00:35:00,798 PLAYING AND WINNING PROPER TOURNAMENTS. THOUGH LESS LUCRATIVE VAN BOENING ENJOYED BEING A 252 00:35:00,865 --> 00:35:05,503 PROFESSIONAL. DID YOU WORRY COMING OFF THE ROAD WAS GOING TO IMPACT YOUR FINANCES? 253 00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:11,676 >> I KNOW SOME OF THE POOL PLAYERS LIKE THE TOP POOL PLAYERS WERE MAKING MONEY, SO IF THEY CAN DO IT, I CAN DO IT. 254 00:35:11,742 --> 00:35:18,449 >> BUT POOL IS A DECEPTIVELY TRICKY SPORT. >> NEXT UP TWO SUPER POWERS COLLIDE. 255 00:35:18,516 --> 00:35:26,891 >> JUST ASK SHANE'S COUNTERPART JASON SHAW, ANOTHER TOP PLAYER. EARLIER THIS YEAR SHAW HOLED UP IN A VIRGINIA POOLROOM FOR FIVE 256 00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:39,837 DAYS AND BROKE THE POOL RECORD MAKING 718 SHOTS IN A ROW. >> THE STUFF THAT HAPPENS IN POOL WILL COMPLETELY SCREW YOUR 257 00:35:39,904 --> 00:35:45,877 BRAIN UP. YOU'LL HEAR HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, HOW DID THAT GO IN? IN POOL YOU SEE EVERY GAME 258 00:35:45,943 --> 00:35:51,916 SOMETHING WEIRD HAPPEN. >> DOES THAT MAKE IT EXHILARATING OR FRUSTRATING? >> BOTH, MENTALLY YOU WANT TO 259 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:58,155 FLIP THE TABLE AT SOME POINT. >> YOU EVER FLIP THE TABLE? >> NO. I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT A FEW 260 00:35:58,222 --> 00:36:04,128 TIMES. >> PEOPLE COME IN HOW HARD CAN IT BE? >> AND 20 MINUTES LATER THERE'S 261 00:36:04,195 --> 00:36:09,300 STILL 16 BALLS ON THE TABLE AND THE GUY IS SCRATCHING HIS HEAD LIKE I THOUGHT THIS WAS EASY. IT'S NOT. 262 00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:15,306 >> WE WATCHED YOU IN DERBY CITY PLAY JASON SHAW. >> JASON WHO? >> YEAH. 263 00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:21,379 IS HE A RIVAL? >> YEAH, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. HE'S A GREAT PLAYER. 264 00:36:21,445 --> 00:36:29,253 AND WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BATTLE. >> YOU OKAY WITH THAT? >> YEAH, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT 265 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,224 LOSING. IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT LOSING, YOU'RE GOING TO GO CRAZY. >> HOW THICK IS THIS ICE RIGHT 266 00:36:33,291 --> 00:36:38,496 HERE? >> IF HAVING A RIVAL IS ESSENTIAL TO BEING AN ELITE ATHLETE SO IS THIS. 267 00:36:38,563 --> 00:36:47,271 LEAVING TIME TO CLEAR YOUR HEAD. SO IT WAS WE FOUND OURSELVES FOLLOWING SHANE VAN BOENING OUT TO THE LAKE █IN THE BLACK HILLS. 268 00:36:47,338 --> 00:36:55,680 VAN BOENING GOES FISHING SEASON BE DAMNED EVERY MORNING WHEN HE'S BACK HOME. WE DIDN'T CATCH ANY FISH. 269 00:36:55,746 --> 00:37:06,557 WE DID CATCH VAN BOENING'S DRIFT, THOUGH, HIS TAKE ON THE VIRTUES OF COMPLETE SILENCE. VANITY PLATE NOT WITHSTANDING 270 00:37:06,624 --> 00:37:14,498 FEW EXTRAVAGANCES COME WITH BEING NUMBER ONE IN POOL. THE RAGTAG PRO TOUR BARELY TELEVISED IN THE U.S. STRUGGLES 271 00:37:14,565 --> 00:37:19,770 TO DRAW MUCH INTEREST OR INVESTMENT OUTSIDE OF POOL DIE HARD. HOW MANY SPONSORS DO YOU HAVE? 272 00:37:19,837 --> 00:37:24,508 >> I HAVE SIX SPONSORS. >> CUES AND TABLES AND POOL PRODUCTS? >> YES. 273 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:30,047 >> AND ANY SPONSORS OUTSIDE OF POOL? >> NO. >> WHAT CAN A TOP PLAYER? 274 00:37:30,114 --> 00:37:38,856 >> A TOP PLAYER IN POOL CAN MAKE ONLY SIX FIGURES. >> NO ONE'S MAKING A MILLION BUCKS AS A POOL PLAYER? 275 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:48,899 >> NO, IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. >> VAN BOENING SAYS CLEANING UP THE SPORT, DOING AWAY WITH BACK MONEY GAMES WOULD LEAD TO BIG 276 00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:56,240 SPONSORS AND GROWING PROFESSIONAL POOL. WE SAW FIRST-HAND HIS DISCOMFORT WITH GAMBLING AND ALL THAT COMES 277 00:37:56,307 --> 00:38:03,948 WITH IT. WHEN WE INTERVIEWED YOU IN DERBY CITY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE INTERVIEW WAS 278 00:38:04,015 --> 00:38:07,752 INDEPNRPTNT INTERRUPTED. DO YOU RECALL WHAT HAPPENED? >> OH, THE GAMBLING. 279 00:38:07,818 --> 00:38:13,924 IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? >> THE ACTION FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE WAS STILL SIMMERING. >> ARE THEY ARGUING? 280 00:38:13,991 --> 00:38:24,635 >> OVER THE COURSE OF A FEW MINUTES TWO PLAYERS WHO BET ON A GAME NEARLY CAME TO BLOWS. >> YOU CANNOT GAMBLE, YOU KNOW. 281 00:38:24,702 --> 00:38:37,882 >> VAN BOENING COULD ONLY SHAKE HIS HEAD. ENTER PRO POOL'S UNLIKELY GUARDIAN, EMILY FRAZER. 282 00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:47,291 STREAM LINING THEIR CIRCUITS AND TURNING TOP PLAYERS INTO CELEBRITIES WHO MAKE MILLIONS. FRAZER IS TASKED WITH DOING THE 283 00:38:47,358 --> 00:38:51,395 SAME FOR POOL AND SHE SAYS GAMBLING IS THE LEAST OF HER WORRIES. WHAT'S THE STATE OF PROFESSIONAL 284 00:38:51,462 --> 00:38:56,634 POOL TODAY? >> AN ABSOLUTE MESS. >> WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? >> THE FIRST EVER U.S. OPEN THAT 285 00:38:56,701 --> 00:39:05,109 I DID IN 2019, OH, MY GOSH, THE PLAYERS TURNED UP. THEY WERE IN JEANS, AND I'M GOING HANG ON A SECOND WHAT'S 286 00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:11,849 HAPPENING HERE, WHY IS THIS GUY TURNING UP IN JEANS? >> FRAZER HAS ASKED PRO PLAYERS TO DRESS THE PART BUT HE WON'T 287 00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:17,788 ASK THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR SIDE HUSTLES. >> NOW, ALL OF THE BASEMENT TABLES AND THE MONEY MATCHES, I 288 00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:22,393 THINK THAT'S BRILLIANT AND THAT CAN STILL -- >> YOU DO? >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S 289 00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:28,733 FANTASTIC BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE HISTORY BEHIND IT. >> YOU'RE OKAY PEOPLE ARE STILL GAMBLING AND PLAYING MONEY 290 00:39:28,799 --> 00:39:32,703 GAMES. >> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IN A COUPLE YEARS TIME -- >> IT WILL BE OBSOLETE. 291 00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:38,676 THE MARKET WILL DO ITS THING. >> EXACTLY. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT VIEWED AS THIS PROFESSIONAL SPORT, AND IT 292 00:39:38,743 --> 00:39:43,380 HAS ALL THE INGREDIENTS TO BE ONE. >> SHE'S STANDARDIZED THE FORMAT. 293 00:39:43,447 --> 00:39:51,956 THIS IS COMMERCIALIZED SPONSOR-FRIENDLY NINE BALL, NOT THE SOLID AND STRIPES EIGHT BALL YOU'VE LIKELY PLAYED. 294 00:39:52,022 --> 00:39:58,462 IN OCTOBER AT THE U.S. OPEN HELD IN ATLANTIC CITY FRAZER BROUGHT IN BIGGER LIVE AUDIENCES AND RAMPED UP TV PRODUCTION. 295 00:39:58,529 --> 00:40:07,905 SHE KEPT ONE POOL MARKED THE SMOKE-FILLED ROOM. CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR. THERE'S A MACHINE PUFFING AWAY 296 00:40:07,972 --> 00:40:13,210 IN THE CORNER. WHEN THE MACHINE CLEARED THERE WAS SHANE VAN BOENING. HE WAS FRESH OFF WINNING HIS 297 00:40:13,277 --> 00:40:19,183 FIRST WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, SEALING HIS STATUS ATOP THE SPORT. HE CONFIDED TO US HE SLEPT WITH 298 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:26,924 THE TROPHY FOR A MONTH. HE CAN STILL WALK THROUGH AN AIRPORT UNBOTHERED. >> HE'S NO LeBRON JAMES AND I 299 00:40:26,991 --> 00:40:31,529 TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND I RECOGNIZE THAT. AND IT'S OUR JOB TO TURN THAT AROUND. 300 00:40:31,595 --> 00:40:41,338 IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TURN THAT WORLD NUMBER ONE PRIZE MONEY FROM $80,000 TO A MILLION. SO IT'S PRIZE MONEY, IT'S MORE 301 00:40:41,405 --> 00:40:46,544 EVENTS, AND LET'S GET THESE PLAYERS KNOWN. YOU'VE GOT TO FALL IN LOVE WITH THEM. 302 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:55,219 >> ARE THEY LOVABLE? >> YES. SOME OF THEM. >> THE HEALTH OF THE SPORT ALSO 303 00:40:55,286 --> 00:41:03,627 DEPENDS ON CEMENTING A NEW GENERATION OF ELITE PLAYERS. SO THIS TOURNAMENT HAD A JUNIOR DIVISION HELD ALONG SIDE THE 304 00:41:03,694 --> 00:41:11,335 PROS AND NAMED WHAT ELSE BUT THE SHANE VAN BOENING FUTURE OPEN. >> THEY HAVE SO MUCH PASSION FOR THE GAME. 305 00:41:11,402 --> 00:41:27,585 >> BACK AT THE POOL HALL IN RAPID CITY WE EXPERIENCED POOL'S HIGHS AND LOWS IN THE SAME HOUR. >> YOU DIDN'T EVEN LET ME HIT A 306 00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:33,524 BALL. >> SHANE VAN BOENING WOULDN'T LET US LEAVE WITHOUT SETTING US UP TO SINK A TRICK SHOT. 307 00:41:33,591 --> 00:41:43,601 POOL MAY OR MAY NOT CLEANUP ITS ACT BUT ANY SPORT THAT CAN PROVIDE THIS PURE, SIMPLE THRILL -- LET'S GO RIGHT DOWN 308 00:41:43,667 --> 00:42:05,522 THE MIDDLE. >> YEP, RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. >> YOU RECKON IT'LL SURVIVE JUST 309 00:42:06,657 --> 00:42:15,466 >>> ONE SURPRISING THING WE LEARNED THIS PAST WEEK ABOUT PRESIDENT MACRON IS HOW TROUBLED HE IS BY HOW INTOLERANCE, HATE 310 00:42:15,532 --> 00:42:24,174 SPEECH, AND CANCEL CULTURE ARE AMPLIFIED ON SOCIAL MEDIA ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ATLANTIC. >> EMOTION IS ALWAYS STRONGER 311 00:42:24,241 --> 00:42:32,049 THAN ARGUMENTATION. AND NEGATIVE EMOTION IS STRONGER THAN POSITIVE EMOTION, SO ON A LOT OF THESE SOCIAL PLATFORMS 312 00:42:32,116 --> 00:42:42,893 NEGATIVE EMOTIONS, FEELINGS ARE THE ONES TO TRIUMPH. AND DURING THE PAST FEW YEARS WE HAD SUCH A RESURGENCE OF 313 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:50,868 VIOLENCE, HATE SPEECHES, AND THE SORT OF INABILITY OF OUR OWN SOCIETIES TO LIVE TOGETHER. AND THIS IS WHY WE NEED A NEW 314 00:42:50,935 --> 00:42:59,843 PROCESS OF CIVILIZATION FOR OUR SOCIAL NETWORKS, AND WE HAVE TO RESTORE PRECISELY WHAT DEMOCRATIC AND RESPECTFUL 315 00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:11,922 CONVERSATION MEANS, EXCHANGING OPINIONS AND IDEAS, SOMETIMES WE AGREE, SOMETIMES TO DISAGREE. >> I'M BILL WHITTAKER.