1 00:00:01,135 --> 00:00:02,636 (male announcer) In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:02,670 --> 00:00:04,205 sexually based offenses 3 00:00:04,238 --> 00:00:06,540 are considered especially heinous. 4 00:00:06,574 --> 00:00:08,576 In New York City, the dedicated detectives 5 00:00:08,609 --> 00:00:10,511 who investigate these vicious felonies 6 00:00:10,544 --> 00:00:12,080 are members of an elite squad 7 00:00:12,113 --> 00:00:13,781 known as the Special Victims Unit. 8 00:00:13,814 --> 00:00:16,684 These are their stories. 9 00:00:17,651 --> 00:00:21,155 [laughter] 10 00:00:21,189 --> 00:00:22,623 (woman) Don't be crazy. 11 00:00:22,656 --> 00:00:24,625 (man) Oh, you make me crazy. 12 00:00:24,658 --> 00:00:25,793 Oh, well, we had a good time. 13 00:00:25,826 --> 00:00:27,795 Let's just leave it at that. 14 00:00:27,828 --> 00:00:29,663 (man) I can't. 15 00:00:29,697 --> 00:00:31,065 (woman) Oh, you know, 16 00:00:31,099 --> 00:00:32,466 you need to get dressed now and go. 17 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:33,701 (man) Let's talk about it in bed. 18 00:00:33,734 --> 00:00:35,269 (woman) Come on, I mean it! 19 00:00:35,303 --> 00:00:37,438 I told you this was going to be the last time. 20 00:00:37,471 --> 00:00:38,772 Enough! It's over! Let's go to bed! 21 00:00:38,806 --> 00:00:41,542 Let go of me! You're hurting me! Come on! 22 00:00:41,575 --> 00:00:43,411 Get off right now! I'm done with this! 23 00:00:43,444 --> 00:00:45,346 (man) It's not up to you! 24 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:46,780 I'm calling the cops! 25 00:00:46,814 --> 00:00:48,682 (man) Who the hell do you think you are, bitch? 26 00:00:48,716 --> 00:00:50,651 (woman) I'm the bitch who's gonna tell everyone what you did. 27 00:00:50,684 --> 00:00:51,852 How do you like that?! 28 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:53,221 (man) You think you can threaten me?! 29 00:00:53,254 --> 00:00:54,622 [woman screams, crashing] 30 00:00:54,655 --> 00:00:56,824 (woman) Oh, my God, don't, please. [gun cocks] 31 00:00:56,857 --> 00:00:58,659 Come on, don't do this. 32 00:00:58,692 --> 00:01:01,195 This isn't right. Come on, please. 33 00:01:01,229 --> 00:01:03,397 You're nothing without me, you whore! 34 00:01:03,431 --> 00:01:04,398 [crying] Please, don't. 35 00:01:04,432 --> 00:01:05,633 Ohh! 36 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:08,836 [gunshot, body falls] 37 00:01:08,869 --> 00:01:10,104 Downstairs neighbor heard a knockdown, 38 00:01:10,138 --> 00:01:11,172 drag-out last night. 39 00:01:11,205 --> 00:01:12,573 Came up this morning to complain, 40 00:01:12,606 --> 00:01:13,741 door was unlocked. 41 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:16,744 This is what he found. 42 00:01:16,777 --> 00:01:19,713 Victim's name is Monica Phelps. 43 00:01:19,747 --> 00:01:21,615 Looks like she's been raped and shot. 44 00:01:21,649 --> 00:01:23,517 ME's in route. 45 00:01:23,551 --> 00:01:25,686 [phone ringing] 46 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:27,755 Go ahead. 47 00:01:27,788 --> 00:01:30,724 Just say hello. Let them do the talking. 48 00:01:30,758 --> 00:01:32,293 Hello. 49 00:01:33,761 --> 00:01:34,895 Uh... 50 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:36,897 Hold on. 51 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:39,533 Washington Middle School says Nathan Phelps is absent, 52 00:01:39,567 --> 00:01:40,801 and do we know he's not in school? 53 00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:42,370 You think he's been kidnapped? 54 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:43,537 Did you search the apartment? 55 00:01:43,571 --> 00:01:45,873 First thing. 56 00:01:45,906 --> 00:01:47,441 How about the closet? 57 00:01:47,475 --> 00:01:49,310 No, didn't wanna move the body. 58 00:01:50,478 --> 00:01:51,912 Bullet went all the way through. 59 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:54,114 Nathan, are you in there? 60 00:01:56,784 --> 00:01:58,286 1, 2, 3... 61 00:02:01,822 --> 00:02:03,657 Nathan! 62 00:02:08,762 --> 00:02:10,664 Nathan, are you hurt? 63 00:02:10,698 --> 00:02:12,366 No. 64 00:02:14,502 --> 00:02:16,404 I'm Olivia. This is Elliot. 65 00:02:16,437 --> 00:02:17,838 We're police officers. 66 00:02:21,409 --> 00:02:23,544 My mom... 67 00:02:23,577 --> 00:02:25,413 She's dead, isn't she? 68 00:02:27,748 --> 00:02:30,318 Yes, Nathan. 69 00:02:30,351 --> 00:02:31,852 I'm sorry. 70 00:02:34,722 --> 00:02:36,257 Come on. 71 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:37,325 Come on. 72 00:02:37,358 --> 00:02:38,859 Come on. 73 00:02:43,231 --> 00:02:46,400 Don't look. Don't look. Don't look. 74 00:03:34,882 --> 00:03:36,384 I don't wanna leave yet. 75 00:03:36,417 --> 00:03:38,886 I don't wanna leave her all by herself. 76 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:41,455 Okay, well, we'll wait till they bring her down. 77 00:03:41,489 --> 00:03:42,756 And I'm not staying in some foster care. 78 00:03:42,790 --> 00:03:44,492 I'm staying here. 79 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:45,793 Nathan, let's talk about that later. 80 00:03:45,826 --> 00:03:47,395 Right now, the doctor's gonna check you out 81 00:03:47,428 --> 00:03:49,597 and make sure that you're okay. 82 00:03:49,630 --> 00:03:50,898 I couldn't see the guy. 83 00:03:50,931 --> 00:03:52,466 I couldn't see what he really looked like. 84 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,335 (Stabler) Nathan, you can't worry about that now. 85 00:03:54,368 --> 00:03:55,303 They were yelling, 86 00:03:55,336 --> 00:03:57,538 and my mom said she was gonna call the cops. 87 00:03:57,571 --> 00:03:58,939 (Stabler) What were they fighting about? 88 00:03:58,972 --> 00:04:00,274 (Nathan) She was trying to make him leave. 89 00:04:00,308 --> 00:04:01,875 He started hitting her. 90 00:04:01,909 --> 00:04:03,477 (Benson) Did your mom know that you were hiding in the closet? 91 00:04:03,511 --> 00:04:04,845 (Nathan) I go there when she's got company. 92 00:04:04,878 --> 00:04:06,947 (Benson) Did she have company a lot? 93 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:08,416 (Nathan) Yeah. 94 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:10,518 (Stabler) Where's your dad? 95 00:04:10,551 --> 00:04:13,053 Dead. 96 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:14,888 S-s... 97 00:04:14,922 --> 00:04:16,657 stabbed when I was six. 98 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:18,759 Nathan... 99 00:04:20,861 --> 00:04:23,431 Do you have any family that we can contact? 100 00:04:23,464 --> 00:04:25,433 If they're close by, we could arrange for you 101 00:04:25,466 --> 00:04:27,535 to stay with them. 102 00:04:27,568 --> 00:04:28,802 Can you find Aunt Gina? 103 00:04:28,836 --> 00:04:30,704 Is that your mom's sister? 104 00:04:30,738 --> 00:04:32,506 (Nathan) No, I call her Aunt Gina 105 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:34,074 because she was my mom's best friend. 106 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:36,944 She lived with us, but then she left. 107 00:04:36,977 --> 00:04:39,413 (Stabler) So what's Gina's last name? 108 00:04:39,447 --> 00:04:40,781 Arroyo. 109 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:42,616 When did she leave? 110 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:44,051 Three months ago, maybe. 111 00:04:44,084 --> 00:04:46,454 But...we thought she got locked up. 112 00:04:46,487 --> 00:04:49,490 (Benson) Do you know what for? 113 00:04:49,523 --> 00:04:50,758 Crystal meth. 114 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:52,560 (Nathan) That stuff is so bad. 115 00:04:52,593 --> 00:04:53,794 Makes people crazy. 116 00:04:53,827 --> 00:04:55,796 Was your mom using it too? 117 00:04:58,098 --> 00:04:59,433 [sniffs] 118 00:05:10,878 --> 00:05:12,546 She kicked it before, 119 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:15,616 and promised she was gonna stop for good! 120 00:05:17,585 --> 00:05:19,453 Nathan... 121 00:05:19,487 --> 00:05:21,522 There was nothing you could do. 122 00:05:23,691 --> 00:05:25,058 I used to get it for her 123 00:05:25,092 --> 00:05:27,027 when she was too sick to get it herself. 124 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:29,530 So you know where your mom's dealer lives? 125 00:05:29,563 --> 00:05:31,665 Yeah...DJ. 126 00:05:31,699 --> 00:05:33,767 I hate that guy! 127 00:05:33,801 --> 00:05:36,904 We need to talk to you, DJ! 128 00:05:36,937 --> 00:05:38,572 Look, man, I ain't carryin', all right! 129 00:05:38,606 --> 00:05:39,973 And you can search me! 130 00:05:40,007 --> 00:05:42,443 Look what I found. 131 00:05:42,476 --> 00:05:43,877 (Fin) That's worth a few grand. 132 00:05:43,911 --> 00:05:45,479 You can't pin that on me. 133 00:05:45,513 --> 00:05:47,881 Yeah, but I might be able to pin a murder on you, DJ. 134 00:05:47,915 --> 00:05:49,417 A what? 135 00:05:49,450 --> 00:05:51,151 The rape and murder of Monica Phelps. 136 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:53,787 No, no, no, no. I did not murder her! 137 00:05:53,821 --> 00:05:55,889 So what should I use-- Lemony Goodness 138 00:05:55,923 --> 00:05:57,625 or Mountain Stream? 139 00:05:57,658 --> 00:05:59,993 Tell us where Gina Arroyo is. 140 00:06:00,027 --> 00:06:01,529 Look, man, I don't know any Gina! 141 00:06:01,562 --> 00:06:04,665 And I'd be an idiot to kill Monica. 142 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:05,966 My best customer. 143 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:07,535 So what's a hooker doing with enough ice 144 00:06:07,568 --> 00:06:09,136 to open up her own dealership? 145 00:06:09,169 --> 00:06:10,871 Guess she had a heavy habit. 146 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:13,073 Or maybe she was trying to get in on your game. 147 00:06:13,106 --> 00:06:15,108 That chick was working at a hot dog stand. 148 00:06:15,142 --> 00:06:17,611 She wouldn't be frying franks if she was dealing. 149 00:06:17,645 --> 00:06:19,112 Now, wasn't I helpful? 150 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:20,681 Very. 151 00:06:27,688 --> 00:06:29,623 (man) I'm sorry Monica's dead, but I gotta tell ya, 152 00:06:29,657 --> 00:06:31,058 I was gonna fire her anyway. 153 00:06:31,091 --> 00:06:32,059 Why? 154 00:06:32,092 --> 00:06:33,060 She started missing shifts, 155 00:06:33,093 --> 00:06:34,728 or she'd come in so hopped up 156 00:06:34,762 --> 00:06:36,664 that I had to send her home. 157 00:06:36,697 --> 00:06:39,032 This is a very demanding job. 158 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:40,701 You gotta be sharp. 159 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:42,736 Well, has Monica had any trouble lately? 160 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:43,637 Maybe with a boyfriend? 161 00:06:43,671 --> 00:06:44,738 Doubt it. 162 00:06:44,772 --> 00:06:46,607 All she cared about was her next fix. 163 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:47,775 Uh, did she have a locker? 164 00:06:47,808 --> 00:06:49,176 Yeah. 165 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:51,745 Hey...could you take her stuff? 166 00:06:51,779 --> 00:06:53,080 We need the space. 167 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:59,687 Sweater, gum, lip gloss. 168 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,555 Not taking up that much space. 169 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:02,790 Something down there. 170 00:07:11,665 --> 00:07:14,535 We gotta get in the hot dog business. 171 00:07:14,568 --> 00:07:15,636 (Cragen) How much? 172 00:07:15,669 --> 00:07:16,937 15 grand. 173 00:07:16,970 --> 00:07:18,506 Stolen? Not from work. 174 00:07:18,539 --> 00:07:20,708 Boss says he'd know if his register was short 15 cents. 175 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:22,009 Well, why work at that hot dog joint 176 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:23,644 if she had access to all that cash? 177 00:07:23,677 --> 00:07:25,112 That wasn't living money. That was partying money. 178 00:07:25,145 --> 00:07:27,214 And a hell of a lot of tricks to turn while Nathan 179 00:07:27,247 --> 00:07:28,782 hid in the closet. 180 00:07:28,816 --> 00:07:30,651 Well, it had to come from somewhere else then. 181 00:07:30,684 --> 00:07:31,652 Where's the son? 182 00:07:31,685 --> 00:07:32,720 (Cragen) He's in the crib. 183 00:07:32,753 --> 00:07:34,221 He wants to stay here tonight. 184 00:07:34,254 --> 00:07:36,223 I don't think spending one night here 185 00:07:36,256 --> 00:07:37,591 could do any damage. 186 00:07:37,625 --> 00:07:40,794 If he feels safe, then it might even help. 187 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:44,164 Hey, there. 188 00:07:44,197 --> 00:07:45,966 [door closes] 189 00:07:45,999 --> 00:07:49,002 Sorry about the PJs. 190 00:07:49,036 --> 00:07:53,541 We'll go pick up your stuff at the apartment tomorrow, okay? 191 00:07:53,574 --> 00:07:55,843 There's nothing there I want. 192 00:07:58,579 --> 00:08:01,181 You're gonna send me to a home tomorrow, aren't you? 193 00:08:03,584 --> 00:08:04,785 I know it. 194 00:08:04,818 --> 00:08:08,121 Nathan...I won't send you anywhere 195 00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:10,123 until you're ready to go. 196 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:17,898 Did you find Aunt Gina? 197 00:08:17,931 --> 00:08:19,600 We're still looking. 198 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:21,068 But... 199 00:08:21,101 --> 00:08:22,770 I couldn't find any records about 200 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:24,838 her being arrested. 201 00:08:24,872 --> 00:08:26,807 But we did find a lot of cash 202 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,842 in your mom's locker at work. 203 00:08:28,876 --> 00:08:30,978 You have any idea how it got there? 204 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:36,684 From the good people. 205 00:08:36,717 --> 00:08:39,019 They give you money if you're poor. 206 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:40,854 Is that a church? 207 00:08:40,888 --> 00:08:42,856 No, they just help you. 208 00:08:42,890 --> 00:08:48,195 They gave my mom money to go to school, but... 209 00:08:48,228 --> 00:08:50,030 she never went. 210 00:08:52,099 --> 00:08:54,134 Well, do you know where we could find them? 211 00:08:55,803 --> 00:08:57,838 They have a office somewhere. 212 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:02,943 I just can't remember. 213 00:09:04,077 --> 00:09:06,880 It's okay, Nathan. 214 00:09:06,914 --> 00:09:09,983 It's okay. You know what? 215 00:09:10,017 --> 00:09:13,621 It's late. 216 00:09:13,654 --> 00:09:15,889 Think you could sleep? 217 00:09:15,923 --> 00:09:17,124 Sure. 218 00:09:19,292 --> 00:09:21,862 You know, I could stay if you want to. 219 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:26,734 I know sometimes it's hard to sleep in a strange place. 220 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:28,836 No, you can go. 221 00:09:31,371 --> 00:09:33,340 Okay. 222 00:09:34,374 --> 00:09:36,844 Good night. 223 00:09:39,412 --> 00:09:41,849 Detective Benson... 224 00:09:41,882 --> 00:09:43,884 Yeah? 225 00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:47,855 One time, the good people gave my mom money 226 00:09:47,888 --> 00:09:49,022 to get out of jail. 227 00:09:51,759 --> 00:09:54,027 I didn't wanna tell you 'cause... 228 00:09:54,061 --> 00:09:57,798 I just didn't. 229 00:09:57,831 --> 00:10:00,901 That's gonna be very helpful, Nathan. 230 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:02,770 Thank you. 231 00:10:02,803 --> 00:10:05,806 Good night. 232 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:07,340 Detective Benson... 233 00:10:07,374 --> 00:10:08,942 Yes, David? 234 00:10:08,976 --> 00:10:11,712 You can stay if you want. 235 00:10:11,745 --> 00:10:14,081 I mean, for a little while. 236 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:16,850 How about if I just stay till you fall asleep? 237 00:10:18,819 --> 00:10:22,155 Yeah, that's good. 238 00:10:22,189 --> 00:10:24,224 Okay. 239 00:10:33,433 --> 00:10:36,369 (Stabler) The court record says you bailed out Monica Phelps. 240 00:10:36,403 --> 00:10:37,838 (woman) Yes, I did bail Monica out. 241 00:10:37,871 --> 00:10:39,339 She'd been doing so well, 242 00:10:39,372 --> 00:10:41,341 but methamphetamine's a tough habit to kick. 243 00:10:41,374 --> 00:10:43,010 What exactly is your relationship to her? 244 00:10:43,043 --> 00:10:44,244 She was a client. 245 00:10:44,277 --> 00:10:45,312 And I considered her a friend. 246 00:10:45,345 --> 00:10:46,379 A client of what? 247 00:10:46,413 --> 00:10:48,181 My Salvation Charities. 248 00:10:48,215 --> 00:10:50,083 We assist women in need. 249 00:10:50,117 --> 00:10:52,352 Single moms, recent parolees. 250 00:10:52,385 --> 00:10:54,988 Women simply down on their luck. 251 00:10:55,022 --> 00:10:57,324 Dolores Anderson 252 00:10:57,357 --> 00:10:58,458 and my husband Ted Carthage, 253 00:10:58,491 --> 00:10:59,426 who runs the foundation. 254 00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:00,961 These are police. 255 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:02,295 Monica Phelps has been killed. 256 00:11:02,329 --> 00:11:05,198 (Dolores) Oh, no. (Ted) Oh, my God. 257 00:11:05,232 --> 00:11:06,233 What about her son? 258 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:07,134 (Benson) He's safe. 259 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:10,137 But he said that you gave his mother money. 260 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,472 I believe we paid for her drug rehab 261 00:11:12,505 --> 00:11:14,441 and got her an education grant. 262 00:11:14,474 --> 00:11:16,343 Well, she had $15,000 in a brown paper bag 263 00:11:16,376 --> 00:11:17,778 when she died. 264 00:11:17,811 --> 00:11:18,912 Did you give her cash? 265 00:11:18,946 --> 00:11:20,180 Well, that wasn't from us. 266 00:11:20,213 --> 00:11:22,215 We'll occasionally provide start-up funds, 267 00:11:22,249 --> 00:11:25,018 but, uh, we've never given that much to one person. 268 00:11:25,052 --> 00:11:27,254 Well, we're looking for associates 269 00:11:27,287 --> 00:11:28,455 that may have known about the money. 270 00:11:28,488 --> 00:11:30,123 Do you know Gina Arroyo? 271 00:11:30,891 --> 00:11:32,159 I don't recognize the name. 272 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:33,260 Are any of your clients friends with Monica? 273 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:36,063 Candace Tanner may be able to help. 274 00:11:36,096 --> 00:11:37,765 She and Monica were in rehab together. 275 00:11:37,798 --> 00:11:38,999 Yeah... 276 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:41,902 I can't remember when I saw Monica last. 277 00:11:41,935 --> 00:11:42,936 Sorry. 278 00:11:42,970 --> 00:11:44,071 (Benson) Can you guess? 279 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:46,039 Uh...not really. 280 00:11:46,073 --> 00:11:50,043 Well, Ted Carthage from My Salvation said you-- 281 00:11:50,077 --> 00:11:52,245 Said you could help us out there, Candace. 282 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:53,814 Oh, did he? Yeah. 283 00:11:53,847 --> 00:11:56,383 Uh...okay, so... 284 00:11:56,416 --> 00:11:58,085 So maybe a month ago? 285 00:11:58,118 --> 00:11:59,920 Monica have any boyfriends? 286 00:12:02,189 --> 00:12:04,157 Hey, why are you in such a hurry there, huh? 287 00:12:04,191 --> 00:12:06,026 You got somewhere to go, like to your drug dealer? 288 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:07,094 Get off of me. 289 00:12:07,127 --> 00:12:08,395 Your friend was murdered. 290 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:09,529 You gonna do something about it, 291 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:11,198 or let the same thing happen to you? 292 00:12:11,231 --> 00:12:12,332 I don't know, okay?! God! 293 00:12:12,365 --> 00:12:14,134 She wasn't even my friend! 294 00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:15,168 [cell phone rings] 295 00:12:15,202 --> 00:12:16,269 Lying. 296 00:12:16,303 --> 00:12:18,071 Question is, for who? 297 00:12:18,105 --> 00:12:20,073 Benson. 298 00:12:20,107 --> 00:12:22,409 Finally some good news! 299 00:12:22,442 --> 00:12:24,144 Great, we'll be there. 300 00:12:24,177 --> 00:12:27,014 Ballistics matched the slugs from Monica 301 00:12:27,047 --> 00:12:29,182 to one of the Jane Does in the morgue. 302 00:12:37,124 --> 00:12:38,358 (Stabler) Aunt Gina. 303 00:12:38,391 --> 00:12:39,793 Body was found three months ago 304 00:12:39,827 --> 00:12:41,194 dumped in Riverside Park. 305 00:12:41,228 --> 00:12:43,196 Two shots, point blank, to the chest. 306 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:46,033 Never found an ID, no missing persons report. 307 00:12:46,066 --> 00:12:48,168 And now Nathan has someone else to mourn. 308 00:12:58,111 --> 00:13:01,448 Yeah...that's Aunt Gina. 309 00:13:01,481 --> 00:13:04,384 I'm very sorry, Nathan. 310 00:13:04,417 --> 00:13:06,854 Nathan... 311 00:13:06,887 --> 00:13:08,922 We think the same man who killed your mom 312 00:13:08,956 --> 00:13:10,057 killed Gina too. 313 00:13:10,090 --> 00:13:11,324 Can you think of anybody 314 00:13:11,358 --> 00:13:13,260 that both Gina and your mom would have known? 315 00:13:13,293 --> 00:13:14,361 No. 316 00:13:16,529 --> 00:13:18,365 Where am I gonna go now? 317 00:13:21,568 --> 00:13:23,403 Well, uh... 318 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:25,572 Do you wanna go back to the station? 319 00:13:27,875 --> 00:13:29,542 Well, then, that's where we're gonna go. 320 00:13:29,576 --> 00:13:31,544 Come on. 321 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:35,482 Her personal effects. 322 00:13:35,515 --> 00:13:37,617 Clothing, jewelry, plastic bag. 323 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:40,053 And a voucher for what was in the plastic bag. 324 00:13:40,087 --> 00:13:41,054 And what's that? 325 00:13:41,088 --> 00:13:43,123 $7,000 cash. 326 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,861 Where the hell's all this money coming from? 327 00:13:47,895 --> 00:13:49,829 Check out the rubber bracelet. 328 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:54,401 Psalm 38:22. 329 00:13:54,434 --> 00:13:55,435 Beats me. 330 00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:59,106 "Make haste to help me, O Lord, my salvation." 331 00:13:59,139 --> 00:14:02,609 "My salvation"? 332 00:14:02,642 --> 00:14:05,245 Thought they didn't know Gina. 333 00:14:05,278 --> 00:14:06,914 Look how many people we serve. 334 00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:09,082 It's impossible to keep track of everyone. 335 00:14:09,116 --> 00:14:10,117 You don't keep records? 336 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:11,118 We do. Break 'em out. 337 00:14:11,151 --> 00:14:12,219 Why? 338 00:14:12,252 --> 00:14:13,987 Because two people you helped are dead. 339 00:14:14,021 --> 00:14:15,655 And they both had a lot of cash on them. 340 00:14:15,688 --> 00:14:17,290 Money train starts here. 341 00:14:17,324 --> 00:14:20,393 I told you, we don't give out large sums. 342 00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:22,095 So maybe they stole them. 343 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:23,630 Show us your financial records. 344 00:14:23,663 --> 00:14:26,233 So that's what this is about. 345 00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:28,135 What? 346 00:14:28,168 --> 00:14:30,337 Our records are private. You have no legal right to them. 347 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,072 And I am disgusted by this witch hunt. 348 00:14:32,105 --> 00:14:34,107 What are you talking about? 349 00:14:34,141 --> 00:14:36,176 Ted has dedicated his life to helping people 350 00:14:36,209 --> 00:14:37,444 others would consider trash. 351 00:14:37,477 --> 00:14:40,247 Addicts, whores, and degenerates. 352 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,282 And he gets nothing in return! 353 00:14:42,315 --> 00:14:45,185 Tell that to whomever sent you. 354 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:47,120 So she's got nothing to hide. 355 00:14:47,154 --> 00:14:49,189 Nooo, not at all. 356 00:14:49,222 --> 00:14:52,159 Let's subpoena her anyway. 357 00:14:52,192 --> 00:14:53,426 Don't need to. I checked the dockets. 358 00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:54,661 Ted Carthage is being investigated 359 00:14:54,694 --> 00:14:56,296 by the state attorney general. 360 00:14:56,329 --> 00:14:58,398 I subpoenaed his office for the records instead. 361 00:14:58,431 --> 00:14:59,599 It's a lot less trouble. 362 00:14:59,632 --> 00:15:00,600 Investigated for what? 363 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:01,701 Embezzlement and fraud. 364 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:02,835 From the charity? 365 00:15:02,869 --> 00:15:04,671 No, Carthage funds every dollar of the charity himself. 366 00:15:04,704 --> 00:15:06,506 His business interests are being investigated. 367 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:08,976 Real estate investments, construction companies, 368 00:15:09,009 --> 00:15:10,077 finance firms. 369 00:15:10,110 --> 00:15:11,478 (Benson) Must be worth millions. 370 00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:13,446 Actually, it may be worth nothing. 371 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,148 His partners believe he's been shifting money 372 00:15:15,182 --> 00:15:16,583 between the charity and the businesses. 373 00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:18,318 Trying to hide the fact the money's going out. 374 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:20,120 But nothing's coming in. 375 00:15:20,153 --> 00:15:21,221 Well, we got a couple of dead women 376 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:22,422 who came into a lot of money. 377 00:15:22,455 --> 00:15:24,992 He wrote checks to a lot of live ones too. 378 00:15:27,527 --> 00:15:29,362 (Munch) I don't get it, Vivien. 379 00:15:29,396 --> 00:15:31,264 Why Ted Carthage give you $14,000 380 00:15:31,298 --> 00:15:32,632 in 11 months? 381 00:15:32,665 --> 00:15:33,733 It was a loan. 382 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:35,202 He wrote you eight checks. 383 00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:36,369 They were all loans. 384 00:15:36,403 --> 00:15:37,470 For what? 385 00:15:37,504 --> 00:15:38,638 Personal expenses. 386 00:15:38,671 --> 00:15:40,140 Yeah, I can see that. 387 00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:41,708 Nice crank bugs on your face. 388 00:15:41,741 --> 00:15:43,076 You're a pig. 389 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:44,511 You ever pay those loans back? 390 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:46,546 Don't forget, we can check your financial records. 391 00:15:46,579 --> 00:15:48,748 I mean it was a present. 392 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,550 Excuse me. 393 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:54,121 Katie, we know you cashed a check for $2,000. 394 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:55,522 We have your signature. 395 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:56,689 No, I didn't. 396 00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:57,524 You're not in trouble. 397 00:15:57,557 --> 00:16:00,160 We're investigating Ted Carthage. 398 00:16:01,494 --> 00:16:03,363 It's really gross. 399 00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:05,065 Does it have to do with drugs? 400 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:08,368 Katie... 401 00:16:11,704 --> 00:16:14,141 Are you using crystal meth? 402 00:16:15,708 --> 00:16:17,744 It's--it's not like I'm shooting it. 403 00:16:17,777 --> 00:16:19,512 You're gonna kill yourself. 404 00:16:19,546 --> 00:16:21,314 I know. 405 00:16:21,348 --> 00:16:23,283 I know. I'll stop, okay? 406 00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:26,319 Did Carthage give you the money to buy the drugs? 407 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:29,256 He gave it to me because... 408 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:32,225 I did him. 409 00:16:32,259 --> 00:16:33,793 Had sex with him? 410 00:16:33,826 --> 00:16:40,633 It was... only supposed to be...oral. 411 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,503 But he got all pushy. 412 00:16:43,536 --> 00:16:46,539 I just looked away and pretended I was somewhere else. 413 00:16:46,573 --> 00:16:49,042 Katie... 414 00:16:49,076 --> 00:16:50,743 What you're describing is rape. 415 00:16:50,777 --> 00:16:53,246 No...he paid me. 416 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,681 The law says that doesn't matter. 417 00:16:54,714 --> 00:16:57,450 You're under the age of consent. 418 00:16:57,484 --> 00:17:00,753 Candace said he wouldn't want to go all the way. 419 00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:02,289 Liar. 420 00:17:02,322 --> 00:17:03,390 Candace Tanner? 421 00:17:03,423 --> 00:17:04,424 Uh-huh. 422 00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:06,193 What does she have to do with this? 423 00:17:06,226 --> 00:17:08,295 She hooks us up-- gets the motel rooms and stuff. 424 00:17:08,328 --> 00:17:10,830 Ted pays, like, thousands of dollars. 425 00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:12,765 But the bitch took most of mine. 426 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:16,103 I only made 500 bucks! 427 00:17:16,136 --> 00:17:18,705 Oh, Candy, you messed up... real bad. 428 00:17:18,738 --> 00:17:21,274 (Benson) Promoting prostitution's already hitting the big time. 429 00:17:21,308 --> 00:17:23,343 But promoting sex with a minor? 430 00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:24,711 All you can prove is Ted Carthage 431 00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:26,779 paid girls to have sex with him. 432 00:17:26,813 --> 00:17:28,381 You have nothing on my client 433 00:17:28,415 --> 00:17:30,317 other than the words of junkies. 434 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:31,718 You're pretty smart. 435 00:17:31,751 --> 00:17:34,121 Taking a cut from every girl's payday in cash, 436 00:17:34,154 --> 00:17:35,788 so there's no money trail from Carthage to you. 437 00:17:35,822 --> 00:17:37,524 See, we have a witness 438 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:39,659 who'd like nothing better than to screw you 439 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:41,394 for the 1,500 bucks you owe her. 440 00:17:41,428 --> 00:17:43,463 (lawyer) Witness? Or willing participant? 441 00:17:43,496 --> 00:17:46,799 How much money did you make selling those other girls? 442 00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:48,168 You get sick of selling yourself, Candy? 443 00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:49,202 Shut up. 444 00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:51,404 And how do you think Ted Carthage is gonna react 445 00:17:51,438 --> 00:17:52,672 when we arrest him? 446 00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:54,307 You think he's gonna go down without a fight? 447 00:17:54,341 --> 00:17:56,576 Or you think he's gonna shove all the blame on you? 448 00:17:56,609 --> 00:17:58,678 So you got all this evidence. What do you need me for? 449 00:17:58,711 --> 00:18:00,880 Well, your attorney's not altogether wrong. 450 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,649 The testimony of crank addicts 451 00:18:02,682 --> 00:18:04,284 against the word of Mr. Philanthropist? 452 00:18:04,317 --> 00:18:06,453 That's only gonna take us so far. 453 00:18:06,486 --> 00:18:08,388 You're gonna take us the rest of the way. 454 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:10,823 Hey... 455 00:18:10,857 --> 00:18:12,659 It's Candace. 456 00:18:12,692 --> 00:18:13,826 (Carthage) Good to hear from you. 457 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,795 How'd it go with the police? 458 00:18:15,828 --> 00:18:17,430 (Candace) No problem. 459 00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:19,299 I got an appointment for you. 460 00:18:19,332 --> 00:18:21,901 Repeat customer. You'll like it. 461 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,803 (Carthage) Hmm, great. 462 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:33,813 What a nice surprise. 463 00:18:33,846 --> 00:18:36,683 What's your name again? 464 00:18:36,716 --> 00:18:37,917 Katie. 465 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:40,587 Of course. 466 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:41,921 You know that's my favorite name. 467 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:43,156 Yeah. 468 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:45,158 You said that before. 469 00:18:48,395 --> 00:18:50,163 So... 470 00:18:51,531 --> 00:18:55,568 What do you...wanna do? 471 00:18:57,937 --> 00:18:59,639 Well, I, uh... 472 00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:01,874 I like what you're wearing. 473 00:19:01,908 --> 00:19:03,776 Thanks. 474 00:19:03,810 --> 00:19:05,812 Would you like something to drink? 475 00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:07,680 No. 476 00:19:09,616 --> 00:19:12,452 Do you have, like, a fantasy... 477 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:15,588 or...whatever... 478 00:19:15,622 --> 00:19:19,892 that you wanna try out? 479 00:19:19,926 --> 00:19:24,797 You are just wonderful. 480 00:19:33,873 --> 00:19:35,875 I'm so pleased, Katie. 481 00:19:35,908 --> 00:19:41,180 This is...quite a change from our last encounter. 482 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:48,788 Why don't you, uh, just take your clothes off 483 00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:52,792 and...we'll have ourselves a good time. 484 00:19:54,894 --> 00:19:56,529 Can I have a good time too? 485 00:19:56,563 --> 00:19:57,597 Me too. 486 00:19:57,630 --> 00:19:58,998 I bet we can all have a lot of fun. 487 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:01,234 Come on, Katie. You did great. 488 00:20:01,268 --> 00:20:02,769 Teddy, you're under arrest. 489 00:20:02,802 --> 00:20:04,604 You have the right to remain silent. 490 00:20:04,637 --> 00:20:05,672 You give up that right, anything you say 491 00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:07,974 can and will be used against you in a court of law. 492 00:20:08,007 --> 00:20:09,376 You have the right to an attorney. 493 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:10,777 If you can't afford one, 494 00:20:10,810 --> 00:20:11,944 one will be appointed for you. 495 00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:16,416 I'm confused, detectives. 496 00:20:16,449 --> 00:20:17,850 You claim my client was attempting 497 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:19,319 to have sex with a minor. 498 00:20:19,352 --> 00:20:21,654 And you know this because you can read his mind? 499 00:20:21,688 --> 00:20:23,490 No, we know this because he paid the minor 500 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:25,325 $2,000 to have sex. 501 00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:26,626 (Carthage) That's not true. 502 00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:29,529 He paid Janie Myer $4,000. 503 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:32,465 Alisha Jackson got $6,500. 504 00:20:32,499 --> 00:20:37,304 Lori Reeves, payment totaling $123,000. 505 00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:39,038 Lori must have some special talents, huh? 506 00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:40,106 You're intentionally spinning this. 507 00:20:40,139 --> 00:20:42,875 He's a philanthropist giving indigent people money. 508 00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:44,744 (Stabler) Do you know how much you've spent on them, Ted? 509 00:20:44,777 --> 00:20:46,413 Have you done the math? 510 00:20:46,446 --> 00:20:47,880 Hmm? 511 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,916 $2 million. 512 00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:52,785 Huh? $2 million worth of sex? 513 00:20:52,819 --> 00:20:54,287 Hundreds of women? 514 00:20:54,321 --> 00:20:56,389 I never paid anyone for sex. 515 00:20:56,423 --> 00:20:59,326 Did you use protection every time, Mr. Carthage? 516 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,462 Because many of those women are IV drug users. 517 00:21:02,495 --> 00:21:04,797 Have you been tested for Hep C, HIV? 518 00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:07,767 Has your wife? 'Cause we could ask her. 519 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,436 I'm sorry, you're right. 520 00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:10,470 That's enough, Ted. 521 00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:13,640 No, no, I need to say this. 522 00:21:13,673 --> 00:21:17,944 I've...been unfaithful. Many times. 523 00:21:17,977 --> 00:21:21,481 But I never paid anyone for sex. 524 00:21:21,514 --> 00:21:22,715 They were my girlfriends. 525 00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:24,417 [Stabler laughs] 526 00:21:24,451 --> 00:21:26,419 Wow. 527 00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:28,921 You're a busy guy, huh? 528 00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:30,457 So all of the financial transactions 529 00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:33,360 that happened after the sex were completely unrelated. 530 00:21:33,393 --> 00:21:34,427 I wanted to help them. 531 00:21:34,461 --> 00:21:35,828 I loved them! 532 00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:36,863 Obviously these are women 533 00:21:36,896 --> 00:21:38,731 who saw a weak man 534 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,401 and used his innate generosity against him. 535 00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:42,802 You know, I bet that's true. 536 00:21:42,835 --> 00:21:44,537 So you're a victim, Teddy, huh? 537 00:21:44,571 --> 00:21:47,006 Maybe I'm a sex addict. 538 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,508 Yeah, but that's not your only problem. 539 00:21:48,541 --> 00:21:50,343 Were they your girlfriends too? 540 00:21:50,377 --> 00:21:52,345 'Cause they're both in your financial records. 541 00:21:52,379 --> 00:21:53,680 Gina made six grand off you. 542 00:21:53,713 --> 00:21:55,014 Monica nearly 30. 543 00:21:55,047 --> 00:21:56,349 We're done. You were used?! 544 00:21:56,383 --> 00:21:57,850 You used these women's drug addictions 545 00:21:57,884 --> 00:21:59,352 to turn them into prostitutes! 546 00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:00,987 Monica Phelps threatened to expose you, 547 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:02,355 so you killed her. 548 00:22:02,389 --> 00:22:03,490 Gina do the same thing? 549 00:22:03,523 --> 00:22:05,124 She was gonna destroy everything you'd created? 550 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:07,760 This B.S. humanitarian facade of yours? 551 00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:09,829 (lawyer) No, not another word, Ted. 552 00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:14,434 You don't have proof he murdered anyone. 553 00:22:14,467 --> 00:22:16,536 How about a witness? 554 00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:20,573 (Novak) Number one. 555 00:22:22,575 --> 00:22:26,546 You're nothing without me, you whore. 556 00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:27,880 Number two. 557 00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:33,386 You're nothing without me, you whore. 558 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:34,987 Three. 559 00:22:35,021 --> 00:22:38,124 (man) You're nothing without me, you whore. 560 00:22:38,157 --> 00:22:39,258 Four. 561 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:41,494 (man) You're nothing without me, you whore. 562 00:22:41,528 --> 00:22:43,430 Number five. 563 00:22:43,463 --> 00:22:46,866 (man) You're nothing without me, you whore. 564 00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:49,001 Nathan, do any of those voices 565 00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,037 sound like the man from your apartment? 566 00:22:52,939 --> 00:22:55,041 I'd pick number two or five. 567 00:22:55,074 --> 00:22:57,109 And we have our answer. Shut up. 568 00:22:57,143 --> 00:22:58,511 You can only choose one. 569 00:22:58,545 --> 00:22:59,912 So would you like to hear them again? 570 00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:02,849 I--I can get it. 571 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:04,016 Number five, am I right? 572 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:06,553 I need to get my client arraigned 573 00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:07,920 so he's home by dinner. 574 00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:09,589 [door opens] 575 00:23:09,622 --> 00:23:11,924 Number two? I can do it again. 576 00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:15,428 It's okay. You did very well. 577 00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:19,466 Can I do it over? 578 00:23:19,499 --> 00:23:21,734 No, honey, we're gonna get the guy some other way. 579 00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:23,002 But you know what? 580 00:23:23,035 --> 00:23:24,671 There's an Italian restaurant across the street. 581 00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:26,873 Come on. I'll buy you lunch. 582 00:23:29,108 --> 00:23:31,043 I heard that lawyer. 583 00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:33,513 He's gonna get out by dinner. 584 00:23:33,546 --> 00:23:35,047 Not if I can help it. 585 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:39,619 Nathan, I am gonna do everything I can 586 00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:42,088 to put the man that killed your mother in jail. 587 00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:46,493 Come on. Eat something. 588 00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:55,802 I know that guy. 589 00:23:55,835 --> 00:23:57,537 That's one of the good people. 590 00:23:57,570 --> 00:23:59,639 Number two! 591 00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:01,474 Nathan! No! 592 00:24:01,508 --> 00:24:02,509 Nathan, no! 593 00:24:03,743 --> 00:24:05,478 Nathan! Nathan! 594 00:24:05,512 --> 00:24:06,546 [horn honking] 595 00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:08,581 Nathan, get out of the street! 596 00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:09,816 [honk] 597 00:24:09,849 --> 00:24:10,817 (Nathan) Stop! Stop! 598 00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:12,051 Stop! 599 00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:14,120 Nathan! 600 00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:16,122 Stop! He killed my mom! 601 00:24:16,155 --> 00:24:17,557 He killed my mom! 602 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:18,558 Nathan! 603 00:24:18,591 --> 00:24:20,493 Nathan! Nathan! 604 00:24:23,062 --> 00:24:24,230 It's okay. 605 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:28,601 It's okay. 606 00:24:28,635 --> 00:24:30,637 He recognized Carthage. 607 00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:31,538 Because he's seen him before. 608 00:24:31,571 --> 00:24:33,005 Yeah, killing his mother. 609 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,507 He never saw his mother's killer--you know that, Liv. 610 00:24:34,541 --> 00:24:35,942 (Benson) Seeing him triggered his memory. 611 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:38,044 Or he figured it out when he saw Carthage in handcuffs 612 00:24:38,077 --> 00:24:39,746 with the same attorney from the line-up. 613 00:24:39,779 --> 00:24:40,747 Look, it doesn't matter. 614 00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:41,914 Nathan picked the wrong voice, 615 00:24:41,948 --> 00:24:43,550 so any ID he makes now is tainted. 616 00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:44,984 Can't we let a jury decide that? 617 00:24:45,017 --> 00:24:47,587 No judge would ever let this go before a jury. 618 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,255 We can try and keep Carthage off the street 619 00:24:49,288 --> 00:24:51,691 for statutory rape until we can make the murder case. 620 00:24:51,724 --> 00:24:52,859 Might not have to. 621 00:24:52,892 --> 00:24:55,528 Shots fired at My Salvation Charities. 622 00:24:55,562 --> 00:24:56,996 Where's Nathan? 623 00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:59,131 He's in the crib. 624 00:25:04,203 --> 00:25:05,972 Black male youth entered the premises 625 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:07,674 approximately 50 minutes ago. 626 00:25:07,707 --> 00:25:09,108 Demanded to see the guy in charge. 627 00:25:09,141 --> 00:25:10,543 The victim approached the subject, 628 00:25:10,577 --> 00:25:12,645 who immediately shot him twice in the chest. 629 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:13,646 Who else is inside? 630 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,747 Just the shooter and the victim. 631 00:25:14,781 --> 00:25:16,015 Kid let everybody else go. 632 00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:18,685 Please help my husband! He needs an ambulance! 633 00:25:18,718 --> 00:25:20,252 Victim still alive? 634 00:25:20,286 --> 00:25:22,622 We've been calling for him. No answer. 635 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:25,692 Any contact from the shooter? 636 00:25:25,725 --> 00:25:27,794 Not a word. We're prepared to go in. 637 00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:31,297 Let me go. 638 00:25:32,665 --> 00:25:34,533 Only if you're armed and protected. 639 00:25:38,905 --> 00:25:41,608 Nathan? 640 00:25:41,641 --> 00:25:44,243 It's Detective Benson. I'm coming in. 641 00:25:46,746 --> 00:25:48,347 Nathan? 642 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:50,717 Tell me where you are. 643 00:25:58,658 --> 00:26:00,727 [Nathan sobs] 644 00:26:03,663 --> 00:26:06,265 [Nathan crying softly] 645 00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:17,944 Nathan. 646 00:26:17,977 --> 00:26:21,848 I need you to put that gun down on the floor now. 647 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,652 I didn't know what else to do. 648 00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:27,119 He was alive, and my mom was dead! 649 00:26:27,153 --> 00:26:28,821 Nathan, I know. 650 00:26:28,855 --> 00:26:31,123 I understand that. 651 00:26:31,157 --> 00:26:33,626 But now I need you to listen. 652 00:26:33,660 --> 00:26:35,194 Okay? 653 00:26:35,227 --> 00:26:38,965 You have to give me that gun. 654 00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:42,902 Nathan, I don't want anything bad to happen to you. 655 00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:45,304 He shot her! 656 00:26:45,337 --> 00:26:47,740 I messed up, and I had to fix it! 657 00:26:47,774 --> 00:26:49,208 Give me that gun. 658 00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:50,910 [gun rattles to floor] 659 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,716 She tried to give me to a social worker. 660 00:26:59,018 --> 00:27:02,655 Your mother? 661 00:27:02,689 --> 00:27:04,924 I don't even care anymore. 662 00:27:10,162 --> 00:27:12,198 I do. 663 00:27:12,231 --> 00:27:14,834 Nathan... 664 00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:18,705 Your mom was really sick. 665 00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:21,373 I would be lucky to have a son like you. 666 00:27:23,776 --> 00:27:25,778 Anybody would. 667 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,219 [sniffles] 668 00:27:35,722 --> 00:27:37,990 Where did you get the gun? 669 00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:40,793 A kid down the hall in my building. 670 00:27:40,827 --> 00:27:44,296 It was his dad's. 671 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:47,199 (Novak) How did you find Mr. Carthage's office? 672 00:27:47,233 --> 00:27:50,169 411. 673 00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:51,738 I think you can see 674 00:27:51,771 --> 00:27:53,906 that we're trying to cooperate here. 675 00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:56,308 And I would hope that in return that the People 676 00:27:56,342 --> 00:27:57,710 would take into consideration 677 00:27:57,744 --> 00:27:59,779 the extenuating circumstances. 678 00:27:59,812 --> 00:28:01,714 We can't, Sophie. 679 00:28:01,748 --> 00:28:04,150 Yes, you can. You're choosing not to. 680 00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:06,986 Your detectives found the gun in Ted Carthage's desk. 681 00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:09,856 Ted Carthage murdered his mother. 682 00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:13,459 My client really should be tried as a juvenile. 683 00:28:13,492 --> 00:28:15,828 The DA will only allow him to be tried as an adult. 684 00:28:15,862 --> 00:28:17,029 And I don't have a choice. 685 00:28:17,063 --> 00:28:18,497 Nathan... 686 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:21,734 I told you that we'd get him. 687 00:28:21,768 --> 00:28:23,770 Why didn't you listen to me? 688 00:28:23,803 --> 00:28:26,806 I'm sorry. 689 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:28,941 Casey, can't you show a little mercy here? 690 00:28:28,975 --> 00:28:30,509 Considering everything he's been through. 691 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:33,780 Man Two, he serves in a juvenile facility. 692 00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:37,416 I'm not enjoying this, but mercy isn't enough. 693 00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:40,987 I'll plead this out if you give me a reason to. 694 00:28:43,823 --> 00:28:46,158 Some of you might think that Nathan Phelps 695 00:28:46,192 --> 00:28:48,127 acted out of simple vengeance. 696 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,862 Ted Carthage murdered his mother, 697 00:28:49,896 --> 00:28:51,998 so he murdered Ted Carthage. 698 00:28:52,031 --> 00:28:54,901 That is what the assistant district attorney 699 00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:55,902 will argue. 700 00:28:55,935 --> 00:28:56,936 She will tell you 701 00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,771 that anyone who kills 702 00:28:58,805 --> 00:29:00,372 out of retaliation 703 00:29:00,406 --> 00:29:03,309 should go to jail. 704 00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:05,344 I agree with her. 705 00:29:05,377 --> 00:29:08,414 But that is not what my client did. 706 00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:11,818 Did he hate Ted Carthage? Absolutely. 707 00:29:11,851 --> 00:29:14,987 Did he kill him? Yes. 708 00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:17,223 So if not out of retaliation, 709 00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:21,327 what made Nathan do it? 710 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,231 This is a new study published in Science magazine. 711 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:29,869 It found that people who have witnessed gun violence 712 00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:31,303 are twice as likely, 713 00:29:31,337 --> 00:29:33,873 sometimes three times as likely, 714 00:29:33,906 --> 00:29:36,976 to commit an act of violence themselves. 715 00:29:37,009 --> 00:29:41,247 Nathan witnessed Ted Carthage shoot his mother. 716 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,851 And just as the study predicts, 717 00:29:44,884 --> 00:29:49,388 he reacted with violence. 718 00:29:49,421 --> 00:29:53,826 This study equates gun violence 719 00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:55,995 with an infectious disease. 720 00:29:56,028 --> 00:30:00,032 Anyone exposed to it is infected. 721 00:30:00,066 --> 00:30:04,003 Now, you may not agree or like this study. 722 00:30:04,036 --> 00:30:06,405 Gun manufacturers don't like it either. 723 00:30:06,438 --> 00:30:08,875 It goes against their mantra: 724 00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:11,143 "Guns don't kill people. 725 00:30:11,177 --> 00:30:13,145 People kill people." 726 00:30:13,179 --> 00:30:16,883 But this study points to something 727 00:30:16,916 --> 00:30:21,387 that is almost unspeakable in today's gun culture. 728 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:26,125 And that is that the blame for violence 729 00:30:26,158 --> 00:30:32,164 can be directly placed on the gun. 730 00:30:32,198 --> 00:30:34,967 Once you see someone squeeze the trigger, 731 00:30:35,001 --> 00:30:38,938 it's easier to do it yourself. 732 00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:42,408 Nathan saw his mother shot to death 733 00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:44,043 in front of him, 734 00:30:44,076 --> 00:30:46,145 and at that moment 735 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:49,882 he contracted the disease. 736 00:30:49,916 --> 00:30:54,586 It wasn't his choice, any more that it is your choice 737 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:56,255 to catch a cold 738 00:30:56,288 --> 00:31:00,993 after someone has sneezed on you. 739 00:31:01,027 --> 00:31:04,396 Violence is the disease. 740 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:06,999 Guns are the virus. 741 00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:12,371 And we have an epidemic on our hands. 742 00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:18,077 (judge) Ms. Novak, your first witness. 743 00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:21,247 The people call Detective Olivia Benson. 744 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,015 At any point did Nathan Phelps 745 00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:25,284 admit he shot and killed Ted Carthage? 746 00:31:25,317 --> 00:31:27,586 At the crime scene and during the questioning. 747 00:31:27,619 --> 00:31:29,121 Did he say why? 748 00:31:29,155 --> 00:31:30,957 (Benson) Nathan said that it was his fault 749 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:31,924 that Mr. Carthage hadn't been charged 750 00:31:31,958 --> 00:31:33,059 with his mother's murder. 751 00:31:33,092 --> 00:31:36,095 He said that he had to do something. 752 00:31:36,128 --> 00:31:37,930 Did Nathan blame his actions 753 00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:39,098 on seeing his mother get shot? 754 00:31:39,131 --> 00:31:41,233 Objection. Leading the witness. 755 00:31:41,267 --> 00:31:42,935 Sustained. 756 00:31:42,969 --> 00:31:44,336 No further questions. 757 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:46,138 Detective... 758 00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:50,142 You found Nathan in that closet. 759 00:31:50,176 --> 00:31:51,343 Yes. 760 00:31:51,377 --> 00:31:53,012 What was his emotional state? 761 00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:54,713 He was traumatized. 762 00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:56,515 In the course of your investigation, 763 00:31:56,548 --> 00:31:58,951 did you find any evidence of violent behavior 764 00:31:58,985 --> 00:32:00,219 in Nathan's past? 765 00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:01,287 No. 766 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,521 Any emotional instability? 767 00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:03,990 No. 768 00:32:04,023 --> 00:32:05,591 You had lots of opportunity 769 00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:07,693 to observe Nathan's behavior. 770 00:32:07,726 --> 00:32:09,328 You let him sleep in the precinct. 771 00:32:09,361 --> 00:32:10,696 You took him out to eat. 772 00:32:10,729 --> 00:32:12,664 You got close. 773 00:32:12,698 --> 00:32:14,133 Your Honor, is there a question? 774 00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:15,234 Yes, there is. 775 00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,236 In your opinion, Detective, 776 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:21,307 would Nathan ever have done anything to harm anyone 777 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:24,010 had he not witnessed his mother's shooting? 778 00:32:24,043 --> 00:32:25,544 Objection...leading. 779 00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:27,046 (judge) Sustained. 780 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,415 No. 781 00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:30,716 I don't think that he would've. 782 00:32:30,749 --> 00:32:33,019 Objection, Your Honor. Move to strike. 783 00:32:33,052 --> 00:32:34,386 (judge) Sustained. 784 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:37,089 The jury will disregard the witness' statement. 785 00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:40,059 No further questions. 786 00:32:40,092 --> 00:32:41,760 Detective Benson... 787 00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:45,697 Does witnessing a murder justify committing a murder? 788 00:32:45,731 --> 00:32:47,099 It doesn't justify it. 789 00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:48,600 But it might explain it. 790 00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:57,743 Casey... 791 00:32:57,776 --> 00:32:59,278 You here to ambush me again? 792 00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:01,047 I'm here to apologize. 793 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,448 You gave the jury a reason to acquit. 794 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:04,150 I was trying to tell the truth. 795 00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:05,551 I'm sorry. 796 00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:07,686 What are you gonna do? 797 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:10,356 Draft a plea bargain. 798 00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:12,191 I damaged your case that much? 799 00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:14,360 You changed my mind. 800 00:33:14,393 --> 00:33:17,663 And I'll bet you convinced a juror or two. 801 00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,104 (Novak) Your Honor, the parties have reached a plea bargain 802 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:26,072 in this case. 803 00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:27,239 (Devere) The defendant will plead guilty 804 00:33:27,273 --> 00:33:29,375 to one count of manslaughter in the second degree. 805 00:33:29,408 --> 00:33:30,676 I beg your pardon, Your Honor. 806 00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:32,178 Mike Geddes, representing the Carthage family. 807 00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:33,612 I'd like to be heard in this matter. 808 00:33:33,645 --> 00:33:34,680 (Novak) The Carthage family 809 00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:36,115 has no standing on this case. 810 00:33:36,148 --> 00:33:38,050 [chuckles] Well, I've got a court order 811 00:33:38,084 --> 00:33:39,551 from Judge Joseph Malloy stating otherwise. 812 00:33:39,585 --> 00:33:42,521 Well, counselors, I am afraid we are unable to continue. 813 00:33:42,554 --> 00:33:44,790 I've just been handed a restraining order 814 00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:47,393 enjoining me from accepting the defendant's plea bargain 815 00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:50,396 and summoning us all to appear in civil court. 816 00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:52,398 See you in the morning. 817 00:33:59,505 --> 00:34:01,740 Ted Carthage's wife can stop your plea bargain? 818 00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:03,809 No, but she can mess up our lives for a couple of weeks. 819 00:34:03,842 --> 00:34:05,311 How? 820 00:34:05,344 --> 00:34:06,512 Well, Donnelly can't take Nathan's plea 821 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:09,148 until a civil court judge decides whether Mrs. Carthage 822 00:34:09,181 --> 00:34:10,182 can block it. 823 00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:11,383 [chuckles] The lawyer's slick. 824 00:34:11,417 --> 00:34:12,451 Ah, you'll beat him. 825 00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:14,686 Well, Geddes cannot keep us from filing forever. 826 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,122 Don't get cocky yet. 827 00:34:16,155 --> 00:34:17,656 You haven't heard who's paying his salary. 828 00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:18,824 Terri Carthage? 829 00:34:18,857 --> 00:34:21,760 Try the National Gun Association. 830 00:34:21,793 --> 00:34:23,795 Why would the NGA get involved in a murder trial? 831 00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:26,532 Devere said it in her opening statement. 832 00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,100 The gun manufacturers, 833 00:34:28,134 --> 00:34:29,301 they're afraid of the violence study 834 00:34:29,335 --> 00:34:30,369 because they might be held accountable 835 00:34:30,402 --> 00:34:31,437 for children committing murders. 836 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:34,306 Once the DA's office bases a plea on this study, 837 00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:35,474 it legitimizes the research. 838 00:34:35,507 --> 00:34:37,676 People believe that gun violence breeds more violence... 839 00:34:37,709 --> 00:34:39,678 Good-bye Second Amendment. 840 00:34:39,711 --> 00:34:41,513 We got bigger problems than the right to bear arms 841 00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:43,315 if the NGA successfully stops this plea. 842 00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:44,883 What's bigger than challenging the Constitution? 843 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:47,853 You enjoy having a fully functioning judicial system? 844 00:34:47,886 --> 00:34:50,122 Do you find it useful to put criminals in jail? 845 00:34:50,156 --> 00:34:51,423 Because if this happens, 846 00:34:51,457 --> 00:34:52,724 you can kiss it all good-bye. 847 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:53,792 Come on. 848 00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:55,394 If the NGA can stop a plea, 849 00:34:55,427 --> 00:34:56,595 then any individual corporation 850 00:34:56,628 --> 00:34:59,298 or special interest group with the money and the inclination 851 00:34:59,331 --> 00:35:00,599 can do the same. 852 00:35:00,632 --> 00:35:01,467 And if prosecutors 853 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,402 lose the ability to make plea bargains, 854 00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:04,770 the legal system comes to a grinding halt. 855 00:35:04,803 --> 00:35:06,805 So what do we do? 856 00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:08,507 You mean what do you do. 857 00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:10,442 Your office has the most to lose here. 858 00:35:10,476 --> 00:35:12,644 You need to take the lead on this. 859 00:35:12,678 --> 00:35:14,580 Get your arguments ready. 860 00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:18,617 Your Honor, the district attorney 861 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:20,419 has the right to enter into plea agreements 862 00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:22,254 without input from the victim's family. 863 00:35:22,288 --> 00:35:23,522 Which is why Congress is considering 864 00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:24,790 amending the Constitution 865 00:35:24,823 --> 00:35:26,725 to enact the Crime Victim's Bill of Rights. 866 00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:29,161 Victims' families should have standing in plea bargains. 867 00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:30,696 Mr. Geddes isn't concerned with the rights of victims 868 00:35:30,729 --> 00:35:32,331 or their families. 869 00:35:32,364 --> 00:35:34,533 He's using this case to further his employer's agenda. 870 00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:36,268 The NGA's interests and the Carthage family's interests 871 00:35:36,302 --> 00:35:37,303 are one and the same. 872 00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:38,737 A bogus study is being used 873 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,739 to cut a murderer a deal, and many of us-- 874 00:35:40,772 --> 00:35:43,342 yes, including the NGA-- 875 00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:44,376 take issue with that. 876 00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:45,477 Well, the NGA takes issue 877 00:35:45,511 --> 00:35:46,845 with every study about guns. 878 00:35:46,878 --> 00:35:48,647 These are the same people that got Congress to kill 879 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,749 a multimillion-dollar firearms research budget. 880 00:35:50,782 --> 00:35:52,251 We're here to talk about this study, 881 00:35:52,284 --> 00:35:53,619 which may be biased, inapplicable, 882 00:35:53,652 --> 00:35:54,486 maybe flat-out wrong. 883 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,188 But we don't know, because it hasn't been 884 00:35:56,222 --> 00:35:57,523 fully vetted by the courts. 885 00:35:57,556 --> 00:35:59,425 Then let's do that. 886 00:35:59,458 --> 00:36:01,827 I'm ordering an evidentiary hearing. 887 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:04,863 You have someone that can explain more about this study? 888 00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:06,865 Yes, he's an expert on juvenile violence. 889 00:36:06,898 --> 00:36:08,634 Get your codefendants together 890 00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:11,637 and let's hear what he's got to say. 891 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:16,542 The authors of the study 892 00:36:16,575 --> 00:36:17,843 interviewed over 1,500 children 893 00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:19,778 in the Chicago area. 894 00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:21,780 They also interviewed caretakers, 895 00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:23,515 and collected data on families. 896 00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:26,618 School performance, economic standing. 897 00:36:26,652 --> 00:36:28,520 Over 150 factors in all. 898 00:36:28,554 --> 00:36:30,589 How many times were the subjects interviewed? 899 00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:32,924 Three times over five years. 900 00:36:32,958 --> 00:36:34,726 The goal was to determine which of them 901 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,529 had witnessed or been victims of gun violence, 902 00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:40,232 and how they differed from those subjects who had not. 903 00:36:40,266 --> 00:36:41,900 What were the findings? 904 00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:44,803 Those subjects that had seen gun violence 905 00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:47,373 were at least twice as likely to commit a violent act 906 00:36:47,406 --> 00:36:48,607 in the future. 907 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,642 It's more predictive than poverty, 908 00:36:50,676 --> 00:36:53,845 drug use, or being raised by a single parent. 909 00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,248 So what does this mean? 910 00:36:56,282 --> 00:36:59,318 We need to look at gun violence in a new way. 911 00:36:59,351 --> 00:37:03,355 It isn't a societal problem or a class problem. 912 00:37:03,389 --> 00:37:05,023 It's a medical problem. 913 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:07,693 We need to treat it like it's an infectious disease. 914 00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:10,729 Policy makers can stop the spread of this disease 915 00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:11,630 by limiting 916 00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:12,964 exposure to gun violence 917 00:37:12,998 --> 00:37:16,302 and treating those who have been exposed early on. 918 00:37:16,335 --> 00:37:18,003 Thank you, Doctor. 919 00:37:19,871 --> 00:37:21,640 Do you believe there's a causal link 920 00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:23,442 between witnessing gun violence 921 00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:25,711 and becoming violent, as your study claims? 922 00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:26,912 Yes. 923 00:37:26,945 --> 00:37:28,947 Even though many people witness gun violence 924 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:30,849 and do not become violent. 925 00:37:30,882 --> 00:37:32,951 You've been exposed to many viruses in your life 926 00:37:32,984 --> 00:37:34,386 without getting sick. 927 00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:38,690 I thought the way to prove cause and effect 928 00:37:38,724 --> 00:37:41,760 was through a controlled experiment. 929 00:37:41,793 --> 00:37:44,696 But this study was only a statistical analysis, right? 930 00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:46,898 A controlled experiment would require 931 00:37:46,932 --> 00:37:50,402 deliberately exposing children to gun violence. 932 00:37:50,436 --> 00:37:52,037 Which, of course, is unethical. 933 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:55,607 So they use the second best method... 934 00:37:55,641 --> 00:37:59,010 thereby obtaining the second best results. 935 00:38:01,347 --> 00:38:02,981 Perfect. 936 00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:04,350 Nothing further. 937 00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:07,386 You're excused, Dr. Young. 938 00:38:07,419 --> 00:38:08,554 Your Honor... 939 00:38:08,587 --> 00:38:11,423 I'd like to request that Nathan Phelps 940 00:38:11,457 --> 00:38:12,458 be called to testify. 941 00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:13,925 Objection, Your Honor. Relevance. 942 00:38:13,959 --> 00:38:16,562 This hearing is to examine a scientific study. 943 00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:18,897 Any testimony from Nathan Phelps is immaterial. 944 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:20,799 I disagree. 945 00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:22,501 Whether or not we believe the study to be valid, 946 00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:23,702 shouldn't we determine at least if the boy 947 00:38:23,735 --> 00:38:25,671 fits the criteria the study set forth? 948 00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:27,606 What exactly did Nathan see, what are his motives? 949 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:28,674 Only he can answer that. 950 00:38:28,707 --> 00:38:30,576 Your Honor, the Fifth Amendment 951 00:38:30,609 --> 00:38:32,010 prohibits this court... Ask for a recess. 952 00:38:32,043 --> 00:38:33,779 from compelling my client to incriminate himself. 953 00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:35,814 Recess...now. 954 00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:37,749 Your Honor, may we have 10 minutes, please? 955 00:38:37,783 --> 00:38:39,918 He's not testifying, period! 956 00:38:39,951 --> 00:38:41,653 Let him. 957 00:38:41,687 --> 00:38:43,589 And let him incriminate himself? 958 00:38:43,622 --> 00:38:44,990 Exactly. 959 00:38:45,023 --> 00:38:47,125 Are you crazy? 960 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:48,994 What do you think, counselor? 961 00:38:49,027 --> 00:38:52,598 A jury's been sworn in on the criminal case. 962 00:38:52,631 --> 00:38:54,733 A witness has testified. 963 00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:57,102 Do you see where this is heading? 964 00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:59,605 You gonna screw us over on this? 965 00:38:59,638 --> 00:39:02,107 Trust me. 966 00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:05,711 Why did you kill Ted Carthage? 967 00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:07,145 I don't know. 968 00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:09,748 Didn't he kill your mom? 969 00:39:09,781 --> 00:39:10,716 Yeah. 970 00:39:10,749 --> 00:39:12,818 So are you lying when you say you don't know? 971 00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:14,653 I'm not lying. 972 00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:16,788 Was your mom a prostitute? 973 00:39:16,822 --> 00:39:18,156 (Nathan) I don't know. 974 00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:21,860 (Geddes) Did you have a nice apartment when she was alive? 975 00:39:21,893 --> 00:39:23,161 It was okay. 976 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:24,863 Was there a lot of crime in the neighborhood? 977 00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:26,097 I guess. 978 00:39:26,131 --> 00:39:28,634 Did you have a nice life, Nathan? 979 00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:32,037 Yes. 980 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:33,605 Doesn't sound like it. 981 00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:37,809 How old were you when your dad was stabbed to death? 982 00:39:37,843 --> 00:39:39,811 S-six. 983 00:39:39,845 --> 00:39:41,813 If you could, would you shoot the guy who stabbed your dad, 984 00:39:41,847 --> 00:39:43,582 just like you shot Ted Carthage? 985 00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:44,650 No. 986 00:39:44,683 --> 00:39:45,751 No?! Why not? 987 00:39:45,784 --> 00:39:46,785 He stabbed your father. 988 00:39:46,818 --> 00:39:47,819 I don't wanna kill anybody! 989 00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:49,154 Sure, you did. You were angry. 990 00:39:49,187 --> 00:39:49,988 No! 991 00:39:50,021 --> 00:39:51,590 Yeah, Ted Carthage killed your mother. 992 00:39:51,623 --> 00:39:52,758 You hated him. Stop it! 993 00:39:52,791 --> 00:39:54,125 You didn't kill because you saw the gun. 994 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:55,461 You wanted to hurt him! 995 00:39:55,494 --> 00:39:56,995 You hated him, and you wanted him to die! 996 00:39:57,028 --> 00:39:59,030 Yes, I hated him, all right?! 997 00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:10,041 Nothing further. 998 00:40:19,017 --> 00:40:21,587 We have no questions for this witness. 999 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:23,922 (judge) Are you sure, Ms. Novak? 1000 00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:25,824 I am. 1001 00:40:25,857 --> 00:40:27,926 You're excused, son. 1002 00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:34,165 Your Honor, at this time, 1003 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:36,034 the defense would move for a mistrial. 1004 00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:37,936 Ms. Devere, you can't do that. 1005 00:40:37,969 --> 00:40:39,905 This is a hearing, not a trial. 1006 00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:41,573 My apologies, Judge Malloy. 1007 00:40:41,607 --> 00:40:42,774 That motion wasn't made to you. 1008 00:40:42,808 --> 00:40:44,576 I'm speaking to Judge Donnelly. 1009 00:40:44,610 --> 00:40:46,912 Nathan Phelps was compelled 1010 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:49,748 to incriminate himself in these proceedings. 1011 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,751 The testimony is admissible in his criminal trial 1012 00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:54,986 and violates his right against self-incrimination. 1013 00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:56,922 It's grounds for a mistrial. 1014 00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:59,891 Motion granted. 1015 00:40:59,925 --> 00:41:01,893 The criminal case against Nathan Phelps 1016 00:41:01,927 --> 00:41:04,696 is dismissed with prejudice. 1017 00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:05,731 What?! 1018 00:41:05,764 --> 00:41:07,633 In that event, Judge Malloy, 1019 00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:09,067 I move to dismiss this proceeding. 1020 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,136 Now that there is no case against Nathan Phelps, 1021 00:41:11,169 --> 00:41:13,605 there is no reason to investigate this research. 1022 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:14,940 Your Honor, 1023 00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:17,075 this is a set-up, perpetrated by the DA's office. 1024 00:41:17,108 --> 00:41:19,244 Mr. Geddes, I'd agree with you, 1025 00:41:19,277 --> 00:41:23,949 except you're the one who called Mr. Phelps to the stand. 1026 00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:25,250 This action is dismissed. 1027 00:41:25,283 --> 00:41:26,552 Court is adjourned. 1028 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:27,853 [bangs gavel] 1029 00:41:50,976 --> 00:41:53,945 Killer got a foster family. That's nice. 1030 00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:55,080 You're a jerk, Geddes. 1031 00:41:55,113 --> 00:41:56,748 Yeah, and you got a murderer off. 1032 00:41:56,782 --> 00:41:58,684 Nathan Phelps would be serving the sentence 1033 00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:01,152 I had already negotiated had you not gotten involved. 1034 00:42:01,186 --> 00:42:03,221 So why don't we put the blame where it really belongs: 1035 00:42:03,254 --> 00:42:04,289 on your bosses. 1036 00:42:04,322 --> 00:42:05,256 Casey... 1037 00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:08,126 You honestly believe that guns cause a disease? 1038 00:42:09,895 --> 00:42:11,129 My dad had guns. 1039 00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:13,799 He taught me how to use them when I was a kid. 1040 00:42:13,832 --> 00:42:16,968 But I never saw anyone gunned down in front of me. 1041 00:42:17,002 --> 00:42:18,570 Have you? 1042 00:42:18,604 --> 00:42:21,206 Taking away guns isn't gonna cure the world of violence. 1043 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,041 Unless the study's true. 1044 00:42:23,074 --> 00:42:24,976 Then everything's different, isn't it? 1045 00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:25,076 Captioning by CaptionMax www.captionmax.com