1 00:00:01,302 --> 00:00:01,402 . 2 00:00:01,435 --> 00:00:02,336 - In the criminal justice system, 3 00:00:03,537 --> 00:00:05,239 sexually based offenses 4 00:00:05,273 --> 00:00:07,108 are considered especially heinous. 5 00:00:07,141 --> 00:00:08,442 In New York City, the dedicated detectives 6 00:00:08,476 --> 00:00:10,244 who investigate these vicious felonies 7 00:00:10,278 --> 00:00:12,046 are members of an elite squad 8 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,115 known as the Special Victims Unit. 9 00:00:14,148 --> 00:00:15,583 These are their stories. 10 00:00:15,616 --> 00:00:17,485 [dramatic music] 11 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:20,388 - So I'm eight years old. I go to the store with my mom. 12 00:00:20,421 --> 00:00:22,823 - Now, while she's paying, I end up boosting 13 00:00:22,856 --> 00:00:24,325 some, uh--some Rolos. 14 00:00:24,358 --> 00:00:26,160 - When I was that age, I was all about Jujubes. 15 00:00:26,194 --> 00:00:28,062 - So what am I gonna do, right? 16 00:00:28,096 --> 00:00:30,531 We get outside, pull the Rolos out of my BVDs. 17 00:00:30,564 --> 00:00:32,133 She busts me. 18 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:33,234 She makes me go back into the store. 19 00:00:33,267 --> 00:00:34,802 I got to cop to everything. 20 00:00:34,835 --> 00:00:36,837 I cried-- I cried like a little baby, 21 00:00:36,870 --> 00:00:38,406 and then I had to do it all over again on Sunday 22 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:41,142 at confession, but bless her heart, 23 00:00:41,175 --> 00:00:42,810 she never did tell my old man. 24 00:00:42,843 --> 00:00:45,846 - My pops would've backhanded me if I did something stupid. 25 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:48,582 I stayed out of trouble mostly out of fear. 26 00:00:48,616 --> 00:00:50,184 What we got? 27 00:00:50,218 --> 00:00:52,153 - We caught a job off a 911 call. 28 00:00:52,186 --> 00:00:54,155 People screaming in room 240. 29 00:00:54,188 --> 00:00:56,190 When we got up here, nobody answered the door. 30 00:00:56,224 --> 00:00:58,192 Security let us in. 31 00:01:04,332 --> 00:01:07,301 - We got a bloody steak knife in the sink here. 32 00:01:07,335 --> 00:01:10,171 - It is nasty, but why call SVU? 33 00:01:10,204 --> 00:01:12,173 - Take a look in that ice bucket. 34 00:01:15,209 --> 00:01:16,577 - Aw! Come on. 35 00:01:16,610 --> 00:01:19,580 - If I'm not mistaken, that's a set of testicles. 36 00:01:19,613 --> 00:01:20,648 - Aw, jeez. - Confirmed. 37 00:01:20,681 --> 00:01:21,882 You found these on ice? 38 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:23,117 - They were on the bed. 39 00:01:23,151 --> 00:01:24,318 I put 'em in there. 40 00:01:24,352 --> 00:01:26,254 - Good thinking. 41 00:01:26,287 --> 00:01:28,189 [flashlight clicks on] 42 00:01:28,889 --> 00:01:31,492 Hey, Carisi, check this out. 43 00:01:31,525 --> 00:01:34,495 [suspenseful music] 44 00:01:34,528 --> 00:01:42,102 * 45 00:01:46,574 --> 00:01:48,442 - He's still alive. 46 00:01:52,546 --> 00:01:55,516 [dramatic music] 47 00:02:38,692 --> 00:02:38,826 . 48 00:02:38,859 --> 00:02:39,627 - Jason Karr, the unfortunate recipient 49 00:02:40,894 --> 00:02:42,730 of an amateur gonadectomy. 50 00:02:42,763 --> 00:02:45,499 - Okay. Patrol said that they recovered the missing parts 51 00:02:45,533 --> 00:02:46,734 and brought them here? 52 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:48,436 - Once the spermatic cord is severed, 53 00:02:48,469 --> 00:02:49,837 the testicles are just medical waste. 54 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:52,773 Good news is he'll be okay with some plastic surgery, 55 00:02:52,806 --> 00:02:54,642 prosthetics, hormone replacement therapy. 56 00:02:54,675 --> 00:02:55,909 - Depends what you mean by okay. 57 00:02:55,943 --> 00:02:57,578 - Yeah. Any defensive wounds? 58 00:02:57,611 --> 00:02:59,913 - None, but his tox screen showed a high level 59 00:02:59,947 --> 00:03:03,517 of alprazolam, and his BAC was 0.19. 60 00:03:03,551 --> 00:03:05,519 Lucky for Mr. Karr, he was thoroughly zonked 61 00:03:05,553 --> 00:03:06,787 when he gave up the family jewels. 62 00:03:06,820 --> 00:03:08,389 - And how soon can we talk to him? 63 00:03:08,422 --> 00:03:09,523 - Once his anesthesia wears off, 64 00:03:09,557 --> 00:03:10,658 we'll move him to the ICU. 65 00:03:10,691 --> 00:03:11,792 [phone buzzing] - Okay. 66 00:03:11,825 --> 00:03:12,793 - Thanks. - Mm-hmm. 67 00:03:12,826 --> 00:03:15,663 - Benson. Oh, hi. 68 00:03:15,696 --> 00:03:21,435 Thank you so very much. That is--that is great news. 69 00:03:21,469 --> 00:03:24,805 Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. 70 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:26,407 The DA cleared me. 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,242 They are closing the investigation 72 00:03:28,276 --> 00:03:30,478 of Noah's bruises. [exhales deeply] 73 00:03:30,511 --> 00:03:32,913 - Liv, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. 74 00:03:32,946 --> 00:03:33,947 - [softly] Yeah, well... 75 00:03:33,981 --> 00:03:36,484 happy ending at least. 76 00:03:36,517 --> 00:03:37,985 [dramatic music] 77 00:03:38,018 --> 00:03:40,954 - I called 911 a few minutes after I left the hotel. 78 00:03:40,988 --> 00:03:42,690 - Why were you there? 79 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:43,991 - I was visiting a friend who was staying there. 80 00:03:44,024 --> 00:03:45,826 As I was going to the elevator, 81 00:03:45,859 --> 00:03:47,761 I heard people screaming at each other in room 240. 82 00:03:47,795 --> 00:03:49,530 A man and a woman. 83 00:03:49,563 --> 00:03:50,831 - Did you hear what they were saying, Ms. Galen? 84 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:53,734 - Nora. Not really. It was mostly profanity. 85 00:03:53,767 --> 00:03:56,570 - So why not knock on the door, see if anyone needed help? 86 00:03:56,604 --> 00:03:57,905 - Well, it was none of my business, really. 87 00:03:57,938 --> 00:03:59,973 But as soon as I left, I started to feel guilty 88 00:04:00,007 --> 00:04:01,041 I didn't do anything. 89 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:02,843 I hope everybody's okay. 90 00:04:02,876 --> 00:04:05,546 - Let's just say it's a good thing you called us. 91 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:08,716 [knocking on door] 92 00:04:08,749 --> 00:04:09,850 Julie Wade? 93 00:04:09,883 --> 00:04:11,485 - That's right. 94 00:04:11,519 --> 00:04:13,487 - Detective Tutuola and Detective Carisi, 95 00:04:13,521 --> 00:04:14,855 from SVU in the city. 96 00:04:14,888 --> 00:04:16,657 - Oh, hi. What's going on? 97 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:19,059 - We're investigating an incident that happened 98 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:20,761 in Manhattan last night. 99 00:04:20,794 --> 00:04:22,730 - Manhattan? - Yeah, you made a reservation 100 00:04:22,763 --> 00:04:24,598 at the Midtown Skyline Hotel. 101 00:04:24,632 --> 00:04:26,834 Checked in around 6:30 in the evening? 102 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:28,636 - No, there must be some mistake. 103 00:04:28,669 --> 00:04:30,070 I was here with my boyfriend. 104 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:32,873 - Well, it was booked under your VISA card. 105 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:34,508 - Hold on a second. 106 00:04:34,542 --> 00:04:37,611 - Julie! Where the hell are you? 107 00:04:37,645 --> 00:04:39,513 Who are these mopes? - Police officers. 108 00:04:39,547 --> 00:04:40,981 Something about one of my credit cards. 109 00:04:41,014 --> 00:04:42,716 - Well, get rid of 'em and make me something to eat. 110 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:44,918 I'm gonna be late. - Sure, babe. 111 00:04:48,656 --> 00:04:51,892 - Oh, my God! My card is gone. 112 00:04:51,925 --> 00:04:53,727 - Okay, well, when was the last time you saw it? 113 00:04:53,761 --> 00:04:56,830 - I remember using it at Costco on Monday. 114 00:04:56,864 --> 00:04:58,966 I must've left it there. 115 00:04:58,999 --> 00:05:00,568 - Know this guy? 116 00:05:00,601 --> 00:05:01,769 - No. 117 00:05:01,802 --> 00:05:03,671 Why? Did something happen to him? 118 00:05:03,704 --> 00:05:06,707 - That's all we need. Sorry about bothering you. 119 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:09,543 - Guess I should cancel my card. 120 00:05:10,378 --> 00:05:11,745 - That seem sketch to you? 121 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:13,581 - People do lose their credit cards. 122 00:05:13,614 --> 00:05:15,916 - Especially after cutting some guy's testes off. 123 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:17,685 - What, her? 124 00:05:17,718 --> 00:05:21,589 - No, my money goes on Stanley Kowalski in there. 125 00:05:21,622 --> 00:05:24,758 TARU will run the E-ZPasses. 126 00:05:25,793 --> 00:05:28,362 - I ducked into a hotel bar to kill some time, 127 00:05:28,396 --> 00:05:31,599 and there was an attractive woman at the bar, and I... 128 00:05:31,632 --> 00:05:32,766 I start talking to her. 129 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,602 - And what was her name? - Angela. 130 00:05:34,635 --> 00:05:37,037 Said she was in the city on business. 131 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:38,672 - Okay, can you describe her? 132 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:43,043 - [sighs] Dark hair. Uh, late 20s. 133 00:05:43,076 --> 00:05:44,778 Maybe 5'6". 134 00:05:44,812 --> 00:05:48,649 - Is that--is that Angela? 135 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:50,884 - Not even close. 136 00:05:50,918 --> 00:05:55,022 - So, Mr. Karr, tell us exactly what happened. 137 00:05:55,055 --> 00:05:57,825 - [stammers] 138 00:05:57,858 --> 00:06:00,060 We had some cocktails, and--and then she invited me 139 00:06:00,093 --> 00:06:04,832 up to her room, and she made me a drink from the minibar. 140 00:06:04,865 --> 00:06:07,601 And... 141 00:06:07,635 --> 00:06:10,003 we started getting friendly. 142 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:11,705 Like you do, you know? 143 00:06:11,739 --> 00:06:15,175 And that's--that's the last thing I remember. 144 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:17,177 I just--I came to on the bed, 145 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:19,112 and--and I was sitting in a... 146 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:22,750 [crying] In a bloody, sticky mess. 147 00:06:22,783 --> 00:06:24,084 [breathing shakily] 148 00:06:24,117 --> 00:06:27,120 Jesus, I haven't even called my wife yet. 149 00:06:27,154 --> 00:06:28,656 I mean, what am I gonna say? 150 00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:29,857 - I can certainly call her for you 151 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:31,659 and tell her that you're here, 152 00:06:31,692 --> 00:06:34,862 and that you were a victim of-- of an assault. 153 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:36,129 - [exhales] 154 00:06:36,163 --> 00:06:39,099 Yeah. I mean, and then what? 155 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:44,672 - We're going to find the person who did this to you. 156 00:06:44,705 --> 00:06:48,141 You're gonna get through this, Mr. Karr. 157 00:06:48,175 --> 00:06:49,977 - Jason Karr, age 46. 158 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:51,645 He works as a copy editor 159 00:06:51,679 --> 00:06:53,814 for a company that publishes trade magazines. 160 00:06:53,847 --> 00:06:56,016 He's married, no kids. Lives on Grand Street. 161 00:06:56,049 --> 00:06:58,051 - Fin, you get anything from the hotel bartender? 162 00:06:58,085 --> 00:07:01,154 - Not much. He remembers Karr with a woman during happy hour. 163 00:07:01,188 --> 00:07:02,790 They paid cash. 164 00:07:02,823 --> 00:07:04,692 - And I get the whole seduction-robbery thing. 165 00:07:04,725 --> 00:07:08,128 That's been going on for ages. But why castrate the guy? 166 00:07:08,161 --> 00:07:09,897 - Somebody with anger issues. 167 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:13,734 - This kind of act is almost always motivated by revenge. 168 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:15,168 And there's a sexual component. 169 00:07:15,202 --> 00:07:17,805 - Yeah, but Karr says he doesn't know the perp. 170 00:07:17,838 --> 00:07:19,740 Could be some psycho that hates men. 171 00:07:19,773 --> 00:07:21,809 - Or the cutter's taking care of somebody else's business. 172 00:07:21,842 --> 00:07:23,811 - Yeah, a jilted lover. Pissed spouse. 173 00:07:23,844 --> 00:07:27,915 - Stanley Kowalski, huh? Wait, hang on a second. 174 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:30,884 I think I got something on the hotel security video. 175 00:07:30,918 --> 00:07:33,053 This is two minutes before the 911 call. 176 00:07:33,086 --> 00:07:34,722 Fin, you recognize anybody here? 177 00:07:34,755 --> 00:07:36,189 - That's Julie Wade. 178 00:07:36,223 --> 00:07:37,991 - That's the woman with the stolen credit card. 179 00:07:38,025 --> 00:07:40,160 - That's right. So much for being in Yonkers 180 00:07:40,193 --> 00:07:42,162 with her boyfriend that night. 181 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:46,199 - Am I in some kind of trouble? 182 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:49,269 - Well, why don't you tell us about your VISA card again? 183 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:51,071 - I'm pretty sure I left it at Costco. 184 00:07:51,104 --> 00:07:52,873 - Well, that's an out-and-out lie, 185 00:07:52,906 --> 00:07:55,208 because you were at the Skyline Hotel 186 00:07:55,242 --> 00:07:57,711 on 10th Avenue that night. 187 00:07:58,912 --> 00:08:02,082 - That isn't me. I mean, it looks like me. 188 00:08:02,115 --> 00:08:03,283 But I was home. 189 00:08:03,316 --> 00:08:05,185 - Okay, well, we also have your E-ZPass 190 00:08:05,218 --> 00:08:07,955 going into the city at 5:07 p.m. 191 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:15,963 * 192 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:19,800 - So how do you know Jason Karr? 193 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:22,302 - Who? - Come on. 194 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:24,705 Julie, you're just digging yourself 195 00:08:24,738 --> 00:08:26,707 into a deeper and deeper hole right now. 196 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:28,075 - I don't know him. 197 00:08:28,108 --> 00:08:30,010 - Then why was he in your hotel room? 198 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:34,281 - And why did he leave that room minus his balls? 199 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:36,116 - I'm sorry, what? 200 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:38,118 - He was castrated. 201 00:08:40,821 --> 00:08:43,957 - Wait, am I under arrest for this? 202 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:48,862 - Not yet. 203 00:08:48,896 --> 00:08:51,131 - Then I better get home. 204 00:08:51,164 --> 00:08:55,035 - Before your boyfriend misses his 4:00 feeding? 205 00:08:55,068 --> 00:08:58,772 - He doesn't need to know about this, okay? 206 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,274 - Julie's not a good liar. 207 00:09:01,308 --> 00:09:02,876 - She's terrified. 208 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:04,344 - So how do we connect her to Karr? 209 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:08,148 - Rollins and I showed Karr her DMV license. 210 00:09:08,181 --> 00:09:10,317 He says he doesn't know her. 211 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:13,153 - I understand why she would lie, but why would he lie? 212 00:09:13,186 --> 00:09:15,088 - Fin, did the lab get back to you about the name 213 00:09:15,122 --> 00:09:17,157 that was on the knife that we found at the hotel room? 214 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:19,092 - Cheyenne. 215 00:09:19,126 --> 00:09:21,028 - Cheyenne? 216 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:23,931 Isn't that a steak house in Hell's Kitchen? 217 00:09:23,964 --> 00:09:25,933 It's three blocks from her hotel. 218 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:27,334 - Maybe that's where their night started. 219 00:09:27,367 --> 00:09:29,102 I'll check. 220 00:09:29,136 --> 00:09:32,205 [dramatic music] 221 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,842 [lounge music] 222 00:09:34,875 --> 00:09:36,243 - I'm not really good with faces. 223 00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:37,310 I'm more of a word person. 224 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:40,180 - Here's a word. Focus. 225 00:09:40,213 --> 00:09:41,915 - What my partner means to say 226 00:09:41,949 --> 00:09:45,185 is that maybe you're just underestimating yourself. 227 00:09:45,218 --> 00:09:46,987 - I don't think so. 228 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:48,956 - Okay, Lyla, you on Instagram? 229 00:09:48,989 --> 00:09:50,190 - Yeah. - What about Tinder? 230 00:09:50,223 --> 00:09:51,959 - Wouldn't you like to know. 231 00:09:51,992 --> 00:09:53,193 - I'll take that as a yes. What about Facebook? 232 00:09:53,226 --> 00:09:55,128 - Duh. - See? Photos. Selfies. 233 00:09:55,162 --> 00:09:57,798 Faces, Lyla. You're a pro, and you didn't even know it. 234 00:09:57,831 --> 00:09:59,266 So do me a favor. 235 00:09:59,299 --> 00:10:01,301 Take a look at these photos one more time. 236 00:10:01,334 --> 00:10:03,837 Please. 237 00:10:04,237 --> 00:10:05,873 - [sighs] 238 00:10:05,906 --> 00:10:08,909 This guy I've never seen before. 239 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,211 Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was here that night. 240 00:10:11,244 --> 00:10:13,146 She had dinner with one of our bar regulars, 241 00:10:13,180 --> 00:10:14,147 a girl named Evelyn. 242 00:10:14,181 --> 00:10:15,348 - Last name? 243 00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:17,818 - Let me check the tab. 244 00:10:17,851 --> 00:10:19,019 Evelyn Bundy. 245 00:10:19,052 --> 00:10:21,021 She had a rez for a party of three. 246 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:23,991 A Nora Galen picked up the tab on her AmEx. 247 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,196 - I don't really understand why you want to talk to me again. 248 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:33,000 - We'll explain everything to you when we sit down. 249 00:10:35,268 --> 00:10:37,270 [indistinct conversation] 250 00:10:38,038 --> 00:10:39,673 - We appreciate you calling 911, Nora, 251 00:10:39,707 --> 00:10:40,908 but now we want to know what you were doing 252 00:10:40,941 --> 00:10:42,876 at the hotel that night. 253 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:44,177 Sit down. 254 00:10:44,211 --> 00:10:46,346 - I told you, I was visiting a friend. 255 00:10:46,379 --> 00:10:49,116 - We'll need that friend's name and room number. 256 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:50,350 Just to verify. 257 00:10:50,383 --> 00:10:53,253 - I can't really give you that. - Why not? 258 00:10:53,286 --> 00:10:55,288 - Because I'm just not comfortable 259 00:10:55,322 --> 00:10:56,389 giving out that information. 260 00:10:56,423 --> 00:10:58,091 - Mm. 261 00:10:58,125 --> 00:11:00,027 - Okay, let's try this. Who were you with 262 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:01,394 before you went to the hotel? 263 00:11:01,428 --> 00:11:03,263 - I was by myself. - Nope. 264 00:11:03,296 --> 00:11:05,999 You were having dinner at the Cheyenne Steakhouse 265 00:11:06,033 --> 00:11:07,901 with a woman named Julie Wade. 266 00:11:07,935 --> 00:11:11,004 - Oh, okay. Yes, Julie. Now I remember. 267 00:11:11,038 --> 00:11:14,441 - Ah. - And Evelyn Bundy? 268 00:11:14,474 --> 00:11:16,944 - Evelyn? I don't know who that is. 269 00:11:16,977 --> 00:11:19,913 - Nora, you're killing me here. 270 00:11:19,947 --> 00:11:21,148 - Oh, you mean Eve. 271 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:22,482 Sorry, I just met her that night, 272 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,251 and Julie introduced us. - Mm. 273 00:11:24,284 --> 00:11:26,053 - But you just pretended not to know her 274 00:11:26,086 --> 00:11:28,321 when you walked past her in our squad room. 275 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:32,125 - That was her? I didn't recognize her. 276 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:34,361 - Okay, after dinner, did you go back to Julie's room? 277 00:11:34,394 --> 00:11:37,064 - Or did you meet Jason Karr at the hotel bar? 278 00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:39,299 - I just went to visit my friend. 279 00:11:39,332 --> 00:11:41,134 - Which one? Julie or Jason? 280 00:11:44,772 --> 00:11:47,174 - Okay, it was Julie. 281 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:48,976 I just didn't want to get her involved. 282 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:51,078 - Involved in what? 283 00:11:51,945 --> 00:11:53,080 - [scoffs] You know what? 284 00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:55,983 It's time to cut the crap, Nora. 285 00:11:56,016 --> 00:11:57,317 - I--I think I've said everything 286 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:59,119 I want to say about this. 287 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:00,453 - I go to that bar a lot. 288 00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:01,922 Half-price drinks at happy hour. 289 00:12:01,955 --> 00:12:03,190 I met those ladies there. 290 00:12:03,223 --> 00:12:04,992 They were nice enough to buy me dinner. 291 00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:06,493 - And you had never met the other two women? 292 00:12:06,526 --> 00:12:08,495 Julie? Nora? - Nope. 293 00:12:08,528 --> 00:12:13,200 - All right, and what about a man named Jason Karr? 294 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:15,235 - Look, I meet a lot of men all the time. 295 00:12:15,268 --> 00:12:16,937 I really don't keep track of all of them. 296 00:12:16,970 --> 00:12:19,106 - Maybe this will jog your memory. 297 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:25,112 - No. 298 00:12:28,148 --> 00:12:30,483 - What are you doing? - I have meds. 299 00:12:30,517 --> 00:12:32,152 - What kind of meds? 300 00:12:32,185 --> 00:12:34,788 - Anxiety. Look, I have a prescription, okay? 301 00:12:34,822 --> 00:12:37,224 - So pills, booze. 302 00:12:37,257 --> 00:12:39,559 What's going on in your life right now, Evelyn? 303 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,261 - Nothing you need to know about. 304 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,363 Okay, are we about done here? - Not really, no. 305 00:12:43,396 --> 00:12:45,098 - Okay, well, maybe you can tell me what's going on? 306 00:12:45,132 --> 00:12:46,399 - That's fair. 307 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:48,468 This guy, he was castrated a couple hours 308 00:12:48,501 --> 00:12:51,371 after you and the ladies were enjoying a medium-rare rib eye. 309 00:12:51,404 --> 00:12:53,040 - Yeah, okay. 310 00:12:53,073 --> 00:12:54,407 So if you're gonna keep me here, 311 00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:57,310 I am gonna need my meds, and I'm gonna need a lawyer. 312 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,182 - Nora works real estate in Hastings. 313 00:13:02,215 --> 00:13:04,584 Julie keeps house for some bro in Yonkers. 314 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:06,386 And Evelyn tends bar here in the city. 315 00:13:06,419 --> 00:13:08,021 - Hold on. 316 00:13:08,055 --> 00:13:10,490 But her driver's license address is in Katonah, 317 00:13:10,523 --> 00:13:12,259 which means that all three of them 318 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:14,394 have ties to Westchester County. 319 00:13:14,427 --> 00:13:16,529 - Born in 1979, '78. 320 00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:18,265 What high school did they go to? 321 00:13:18,298 --> 00:13:20,834 - Nora Galen's LinkedIn page says 322 00:13:20,868 --> 00:13:23,203 that she went to Packard Prep in Rye Brook. 323 00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:26,173 - Okay, is there a yearbook online? Maybe 1995? 324 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,609 - Got it. 325 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:31,278 Julie was a junior, 326 00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:34,181 and Nora and Evelyn were sophomores. 327 00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:37,217 - They all name-check something 328 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:38,618 called the Updike Club in their bios. 329 00:13:38,651 --> 00:13:40,087 - Okay, is there a photo of that club? 330 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,455 - The Updike Literary Club. 331 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:48,161 Look who their faculty advisor was. 332 00:13:52,332 --> 00:13:54,134 - Jason Karr. 333 00:13:54,167 --> 00:14:01,174 * 334 00:14:04,477 --> 00:14:04,577 . 335 00:14:04,611 --> 00:14:05,678 - It's been nearly 20 years since I taught at Packard. 336 00:14:07,915 --> 00:14:11,351 I mean, some of these faces are familiar, but... 337 00:14:11,384 --> 00:14:13,053 - Okay, well, you know what? Here's an update. 338 00:14:13,086 --> 00:14:15,889 This is Julie Wade. This is Nora Galen. 339 00:14:15,923 --> 00:14:17,490 This is Evelyn Bundy. 340 00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:19,392 - You think one of these women mutilated my husband? 341 00:14:19,426 --> 00:14:21,428 - Why don't you tell us, Mr. Karr? 342 00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:23,296 - They had nothing to do with it. 343 00:14:23,330 --> 00:14:25,933 - Why would you think it's one of Jason's former students? 344 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:28,368 - We're just ruling out some possibilities. 345 00:14:31,071 --> 00:14:32,472 - Julie Wade here, 346 00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:34,441 she's the one that booked the hotel room 347 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:35,909 where you were assaulted. 348 00:14:35,943 --> 00:14:40,447 And Nora made the 911 call from the hotel. 349 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,382 - And saved your life. 350 00:14:42,415 --> 00:14:43,583 - I don't know what to tell you. 351 00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:45,953 - So that's all you have to say? 352 00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:51,024 - Look, uh, it was hard enough telling my wife 353 00:14:51,058 --> 00:14:53,593 that I went up to a hotel room with another woman. 354 00:14:53,626 --> 00:14:56,329 And given what's happened, she's forgiven me. 355 00:14:56,363 --> 00:14:58,431 Haven't you, honey? - Totally. 356 00:14:58,465 --> 00:15:00,968 - But we'd--we'd like to focus on my recovery 357 00:15:01,001 --> 00:15:03,603 and put this whole debacle behind us, 358 00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:06,940 so it's--it's probably best if you guys leave, 359 00:15:06,974 --> 00:15:08,041 but thank you. 360 00:15:12,545 --> 00:15:14,081 - One thing we did learn, 361 00:15:14,114 --> 00:15:16,149 his child bride knows he's hiding something. 362 00:15:16,183 --> 00:15:17,417 - Yeah. 363 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:18,518 - The three women got together 364 00:15:18,551 --> 00:15:19,953 20 years after high school, 365 00:15:19,987 --> 00:15:21,621 and within a few hours, 366 00:15:21,654 --> 00:15:25,058 one of their teachers was found castrated in a hotel room. 367 00:15:25,092 --> 00:15:26,426 - What's the presumed motive? 368 00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:27,961 - It wasn't for giving 'em all Cs. 369 00:15:27,995 --> 00:15:29,662 - Given the nature of the injury, 370 00:15:29,696 --> 00:15:32,065 there's a sexual motivation behind it. 371 00:15:32,099 --> 00:15:33,566 - Explains why Karr won't talk. 372 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,135 - Yeah, I can't prosecute the assault 373 00:15:35,168 --> 00:15:36,669 unless the victim makes an ID. 374 00:15:36,703 --> 00:15:38,671 - Okay, well, how about we charge the three women 375 00:15:38,705 --> 00:15:40,440 with obstruction? 376 00:15:40,473 --> 00:15:42,142 - For asserting their Fifth Amendment rights? 377 00:15:42,175 --> 00:15:44,978 - After they lied to us and obfuscated our investigation. 378 00:15:45,012 --> 00:15:46,713 - Obfuscate. Yummy. 379 00:15:46,746 --> 00:15:48,215 - Hold on, Rafa. 380 00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:50,017 An obstruction charge would certainly 381 00:15:50,050 --> 00:15:51,618 leverage some cooperation. 382 00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:54,421 If you can't prove the crime, prove the cover-up. 383 00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:56,456 - You'd have reasonable cause for an arrest, 384 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:58,558 but my advice is, get Jason Karr on board, 385 00:15:58,591 --> 00:16:00,127 or this train is going nowhere. 386 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,995 - Which we know is not gonna happen. 387 00:16:02,029 --> 00:16:05,465 - Okay, so we are going to follow Carisi's suggestion. 388 00:16:05,498 --> 00:16:07,000 Arrest them for obstruction, 389 00:16:07,034 --> 00:16:09,636 and put them all in the same holding cell. 390 00:16:18,611 --> 00:16:20,413 - You don't return my calls. 391 00:16:20,447 --> 00:16:23,116 - Hi. I am so sorry. 392 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:25,118 It has been crazy around here, 393 00:16:25,152 --> 00:16:27,720 but I did want to tell you that both the DA's office 394 00:16:27,754 --> 00:16:32,025 and ACS have closed their case files. 395 00:16:32,059 --> 00:16:34,061 - Not about that. 396 00:16:34,094 --> 00:16:36,529 Back when I filed your application for custody, 397 00:16:36,563 --> 00:16:38,698 I was under the impression that 398 00:16:38,731 --> 00:16:41,234 both of Ellie Porter's parents were dead. 399 00:16:41,268 --> 00:16:44,537 - Yeah. That's what she told me. 400 00:16:44,571 --> 00:16:46,506 - Ellie lied to you, Olivia. 401 00:16:46,539 --> 00:16:49,509 Her mother is alive. 402 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:51,044 Shelia Porter. 403 00:16:51,078 --> 00:16:54,747 She hired a PI to track down her daughter. 404 00:16:54,781 --> 00:16:57,217 They--they somehow found out about Noah, 405 00:16:57,250 --> 00:17:00,287 and she has now filed a petition 406 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,756 to vacate Noah's adoption. 407 00:17:08,628 --> 00:17:11,164 - Wow. 408 00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:12,499 Why didn't you corroborate 409 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,767 what Ellie told me about her parents? 410 00:17:14,801 --> 00:17:16,636 - You're blaming me? - Yeah, I'm blaming you. 411 00:17:16,669 --> 00:17:18,305 You didn't do your homework. 412 00:17:18,338 --> 00:17:20,507 - Do you know how many Porters there are in New York State? 413 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:23,743 - This woman is in New York? - New Hampshire. 414 00:17:25,112 --> 00:17:27,580 - This is unbelievable. 415 00:17:28,848 --> 00:17:33,286 The one thing that you had to get right. 416 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,588 - You said she had no relatives. 417 00:17:35,622 --> 00:17:37,157 - I am not a lawyer. 418 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:41,161 - You have a database. - For police business! 419 00:17:41,194 --> 00:17:43,663 - All right, I'm not gonna stand here and defend myself. 420 00:17:43,696 --> 00:17:45,832 - You better defend yourself. 421 00:17:49,636 --> 00:17:51,804 - We'll fight this, Liv. 422 00:17:51,838 --> 00:17:54,207 - If I lose Noah after everything 423 00:17:54,241 --> 00:17:56,309 that I've been through... 424 00:17:56,343 --> 00:17:58,878 - That is not going to happen. 425 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:03,583 Liv, there is no legal basis to vacate this adoption. 426 00:18:03,616 --> 00:18:06,586 - We both know 427 00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:10,323 that Judge Linden fast-tracked this adoption for me. 428 00:18:10,357 --> 00:18:12,359 - I know. Even so, there is-- 429 00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:14,627 - Please leave. 430 00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:17,297 Please leave. 431 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:20,300 [dramatic music] 432 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,302 * 433 00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:24,171 [door closes] 434 00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:31,578 * 435 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:36,149 [indistinct conversation] 436 00:18:36,183 --> 00:18:37,550 - All right, who's doing the paperwork 437 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:38,885 on the obstruction collars? 438 00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:41,688 - Well, your idea, so I guess that would be you. 439 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:43,256 - They know we're lying, Evelyn. 440 00:18:43,290 --> 00:18:44,824 - You clocking this? - Of course they do! 441 00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:46,159 You have to tell them what happened. 442 00:18:46,193 --> 00:18:47,560 - I can't. 443 00:18:47,594 --> 00:18:48,628 - Because I'm not going to jail... 444 00:18:48,661 --> 00:18:50,597 [indistinct conversation] 445 00:18:51,731 --> 00:18:54,367 If you tell them the truth, they'll go easier on you. 446 00:18:54,401 --> 00:18:56,269 - We want to talk to you. 447 00:18:56,303 --> 00:18:58,738 - We'll call your lawyers. - We don't want lawyers. 448 00:18:58,771 --> 00:19:01,674 We want to tell you the truth. 449 00:19:06,613 --> 00:19:06,713 . 450 00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:07,347 - I was a sophomore at Packard. 451 00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:12,552 I'd just transferred from public school, 452 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:16,523 and I didn't have any friends there. 453 00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:20,627 The best part of my week was Mr. Karr's poetry class. 454 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:26,933 Every time I volunteered, he complimented me. 455 00:19:26,966 --> 00:19:29,536 He gave me confidence, 456 00:19:29,569 --> 00:19:30,870 like a good teacher is supposed to. 457 00:19:30,903 --> 00:19:34,207 - He wrote notes on my paper about how smart I was, 458 00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:35,608 or he'd make a joke 459 00:19:35,642 --> 00:19:37,244 about something somebody said in class. 460 00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:39,979 - One day, he asked me to stay after class. 461 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,982 He made me a mixtape. 462 00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:45,618 He knew I was really into grunge. 463 00:19:45,652 --> 00:19:48,688 I was constantly wearing the same Nirvana T-shirt. 464 00:19:48,721 --> 00:19:50,523 - [scoffs] All that extra attention, 465 00:19:50,557 --> 00:19:51,858 it made me feel special. 466 00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:53,893 - So when all the rest of the kids had left, 467 00:19:53,926 --> 00:19:58,265 he pulls this big seashell 468 00:19:58,298 --> 00:19:59,766 out of his bag. 469 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,605 A conch shell that he'd found at the beach. 470 00:20:06,806 --> 00:20:13,713 He said it was a metaphor for me. 471 00:20:14,781 --> 00:20:19,652 A treasure washed up by the waves. 472 00:20:19,686 --> 00:20:21,721 It looked plain on the outside, 473 00:20:21,754 --> 00:20:24,891 but inside, it was shiny and smooth, 474 00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:27,560 with pink and orange swirls. 475 00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:32,332 So yeah, I was 16. 476 00:20:32,365 --> 00:20:35,535 And he took my breath away. 477 00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,770 - And the first time we had sex, 478 00:20:37,804 --> 00:20:40,807 he invited me to his apartment near school 479 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,575 to watch a film. 480 00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:46,012 - He asked me if I wanted to smoke some weed, 481 00:20:46,045 --> 00:20:50,317 listen to some music, so we went out to his car. 482 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:51,818 We got high. 483 00:20:51,851 --> 00:20:54,053 - And I knew what we were doing wasn't cool, 484 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:57,023 but it was too late. 485 00:20:57,056 --> 00:20:59,826 I'd already accepted all of his attention. 486 00:20:59,859 --> 00:21:01,928 - Then one day I went to the coffee place, 487 00:21:01,961 --> 00:21:04,831 like we'd arranged, and he never showed up. 488 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:07,800 I felt worthless. 489 00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:11,638 That's when I started cutting myself. 490 00:21:11,671 --> 00:21:13,773 - So at our 20th reunion, I'm at the bar 491 00:21:13,806 --> 00:21:15,708 with a couple of girls I know from the Updike Club, 492 00:21:15,742 --> 00:21:19,679 Julie and Nora, and Mr. Karr's name comes up. 493 00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:23,350 And we kind of look at each other. 494 00:21:23,383 --> 00:21:24,884 Julie was the first one to admit it. 495 00:21:24,917 --> 00:21:27,387 So we told each other our stories, and we realized 496 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,689 how Mr. Karr had screwed us all up. 497 00:21:29,722 --> 00:21:31,958 How Julie took her shame out on her own body, 498 00:21:31,991 --> 00:21:34,627 how Nora's always alone because she can't trust anybody, 499 00:21:34,661 --> 00:21:36,796 and me, well... 500 00:21:38,998 --> 00:21:41,934 So Nora Googled him. 501 00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:45,838 And we saw that he has a job in the city now. 502 00:21:45,872 --> 00:21:48,975 We had this idea that if we could confront him 503 00:21:49,008 --> 00:21:52,645 about what he did, then maybe we could get some closure. 504 00:21:52,679 --> 00:21:54,814 So Julie reached out to him, 505 00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:59,752 and he agreed to meet her at the hotel bar. 506 00:21:59,786 --> 00:22:01,721 Nora and I were waiting in the room 507 00:22:01,754 --> 00:22:05,992 when Julie brought him upstairs. 508 00:22:06,025 --> 00:22:08,094 - And then what happened? 509 00:22:08,127 --> 00:22:09,896 - Then... 510 00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:14,734 You don't understand. You're a man. 511 00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:19,772 - Listen to me, Evelyn. 512 00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:23,776 That man is a predator, 513 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:25,412 and he should be in prison. 514 00:22:25,445 --> 00:22:28,681 - Yeah, what do you know about it? 515 00:22:28,715 --> 00:22:31,751 - You're right. I don't know. 516 00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:34,887 But I do have a niece. 517 00:22:34,921 --> 00:22:38,157 If I found out one of her teachers was doing that to her, 518 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:42,061 cop or no cop, I would beat the living crap out of him. 519 00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:48,034 - At first... 520 00:22:48,067 --> 00:22:49,769 at first we just asked him 521 00:22:49,802 --> 00:22:52,805 if he remembered what he did to us. 522 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,743 You could tell he never even gave it a second thought. 523 00:22:56,776 --> 00:22:58,044 He said he was a great teacher. 524 00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:00,046 He encouraged our love of the arts, 525 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,015 and--and anyways, we had a lot of experience with boys 526 00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:06,719 and we seduced him. 527 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:08,921 Okay, that's when I lost it. 528 00:23:08,955 --> 00:23:10,790 That's when I knew I needed to damage him 529 00:23:10,823 --> 00:23:13,926 the same way he damaged me. 530 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,828 - What did you do? 531 00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:19,732 - I spiked his drink with my pills. 532 00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:21,801 And when he passed out, 533 00:23:21,834 --> 00:23:24,070 I got the knife that I stole from the restaurant 534 00:23:24,103 --> 00:23:27,807 and I told Julie and Nora to leave, and I... 535 00:23:32,845 --> 00:23:36,082 Do you know what contrapasso means? 536 00:23:36,115 --> 00:23:38,150 - No. 537 00:23:38,184 --> 00:23:41,954 - It's from Dante's "Inferno." 538 00:23:41,988 --> 00:23:44,924 A punishment a sinner gets in hell 539 00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:48,060 is the opposite of his sin. 540 00:23:51,498 --> 00:23:52,865 So thank you, Mr. Karr. 541 00:23:52,899 --> 00:23:54,501 You always did encourage me 542 00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:56,736 to read the classics. 543 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,108 - [exhales slowly] 544 00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:06,713 Hey, Lieutenant. Evelyn says the other women 545 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:07,780 had no idea it was coming. 546 00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:08,881 They did not participate. 547 00:24:08,915 --> 00:24:10,517 - They tried to cover it up. 548 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:12,885 - But they came clean, so the obstruction charge is moot. 549 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:16,923 - Okay, so charge Evelyn with Assault One. 550 00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:19,759 Call Barba, and get her downtown to arraignment. 551 00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:21,093 - You know what, though? 552 00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,062 With what he did to these women in high school, 553 00:24:23,095 --> 00:24:24,997 if the statute of limitations hadn't already expired, 554 00:24:25,031 --> 00:24:27,800 we'd be charging Jason Karr too right now. 555 00:24:27,834 --> 00:24:30,837 - You're right. 556 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:33,873 Get Evelyn back here tomorrow with her lawyer. 557 00:24:33,906 --> 00:24:35,975 Maybe we can get a quick plea deal 558 00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,978 and put this whole thing to bed. 559 00:24:40,146 --> 00:24:42,915 - My client's interested in pleading guilty to the assault, 560 00:24:42,949 --> 00:24:45,585 but first we'd like to give you a little more context 561 00:24:45,618 --> 00:24:47,286 if you agree not to use it in court. 562 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:51,157 - Okay, I'll have to run any disposition by the DA's office. 563 00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:58,164 Let's get started. 564 00:24:58,197 --> 00:25:01,000 - Look, I know I did a terrible thing. 565 00:25:02,301 --> 00:25:04,971 I--I was so freaked out to see him again, 566 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:06,939 and--and I had way too much to drink, 567 00:25:06,973 --> 00:25:10,142 and then I just snapped. 568 00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:12,612 You know, when he said that it was our fault, 569 00:25:12,645 --> 00:25:15,782 that we were responsible... 570 00:25:15,815 --> 00:25:17,550 - And I wish we could arrest him 571 00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:20,219 for what he did 20 years ago, 572 00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:22,121 but the prosecutions 573 00:25:22,154 --> 00:25:25,191 for the statutory rapes that he committed at Packard 574 00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:29,195 are now barred by the statute of limitations. 575 00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:31,631 - Right, but you're still gonna charge me. 576 00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:33,232 - You didn't punch him in the face 577 00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:34,233 and break his nose, Evelyn. 578 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:36,603 You disfigured him. 579 00:25:36,636 --> 00:25:38,070 You took a knife. 580 00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:39,872 - Yeah, I took a knife for protection. 581 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:43,976 - Protection from what? - From Karr. 582 00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:47,046 He can get violent. - Violent how? 583 00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:53,319 - It was the last time I went to his apartment. 584 00:25:53,352 --> 00:25:56,255 I went over there to tell him that it was over, 585 00:25:56,288 --> 00:25:58,891 because I'd heard he was seeing some other girl. 586 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:00,927 A senior in his advisory. 587 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,629 And he got angry. 588 00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:06,232 And he told me that he wasn't ready to say good-bye yet. 589 00:26:07,934 --> 00:26:11,203 And then he... 590 00:26:11,237 --> 00:26:14,907 He took a corkscrew, and he held it to my face. 591 00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:17,644 And he told me not to scream, 592 00:26:17,677 --> 00:26:19,879 and then he held me down 593 00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:23,950 and forced me to have sex with him, so... 594 00:26:27,186 --> 00:26:29,255 [knocks on glass] - You on this? 595 00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:31,390 - Force. Rape One. - No statute of limitations. 596 00:26:31,423 --> 00:26:33,292 - Now hold on. Did she just come up with that 597 00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:35,361 because Vincent told her that we can't prosecute Karr? 598 00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:37,029 - That's not what I saw. 599 00:26:37,063 --> 00:26:38,865 - For Evelyn to do what she did to him, 600 00:26:38,898 --> 00:26:39,999 I believe every word of it. 601 00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:43,002 [suspenseful music] 602 00:26:43,035 --> 00:26:46,172 * 603 00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:48,908 - I told you, I have nothing more to say about this. 604 00:26:48,941 --> 00:26:50,342 - Mr. Karr, please step outside and turn around. 605 00:26:50,376 --> 00:26:52,344 - What are you--what? Why are you arresting me? 606 00:26:52,378 --> 00:26:55,014 - You're charged with rape in the first degree 607 00:26:55,047 --> 00:26:56,382 on the complaint of Evelyn Bundy. 608 00:26:56,415 --> 00:26:58,718 - Are you serious? After what she did to him? 609 00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:00,119 - Ma'am. Ma'am! - This is outrageous! 610 00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:01,954 - Stop. 611 00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:05,324 * 612 00:27:09,762 --> 00:27:10,162 . 613 00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:10,697 - I'm Lieutenant Benson-- 614 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:14,734 - How can you do this to my husband? 615 00:27:14,767 --> 00:27:16,368 - I can't imagine having to-- 616 00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:18,805 - Do you even understand what that bitch did to him? 617 00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:22,274 - Of course I do. And it is awful. 618 00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:24,243 - But he's the one being prosecuted 619 00:27:24,276 --> 00:27:27,079 for something 20 years ago that probably never happened. 620 00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:31,317 - With all due respect, you weren't there, were you? 621 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:33,119 - [scoffs] 622 00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:37,089 - I understand why you would want to support your husband. 623 00:27:37,123 --> 00:27:39,726 - Jason is not a rapist! 624 00:27:41,127 --> 00:27:43,095 - You know, I'm curious. 625 00:27:43,129 --> 00:27:45,297 How did you two meet? 626 00:27:45,331 --> 00:27:47,433 - So you think because he's older than me, 627 00:27:47,466 --> 00:27:50,737 that he has, what? Some kind of fetish? 628 00:27:50,770 --> 00:27:53,172 - I didn't say that. 629 00:27:53,205 --> 00:27:55,207 - We met four years ago. 630 00:27:55,241 --> 00:27:56,743 I had a summer internship 631 00:27:56,776 --> 00:27:58,244 at the publisher he was working for. 632 00:27:58,277 --> 00:28:00,747 - So you were in college. 633 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:02,348 - We fell in love. 634 00:28:02,381 --> 00:28:05,818 We wanted to have a family. So much for that. 635 00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:08,788 - You know, I have a son. 636 00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:13,325 And I adopted him, and he-- 637 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,329 he is what makes everything worth it. 638 00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:22,134 - After what my husband has been through, 639 00:28:22,168 --> 00:28:24,070 it would just be a reminder of the night 640 00:28:24,103 --> 00:28:26,839 he stopped being a man. 641 00:28:26,873 --> 00:28:31,143 You're really going to try to put him in jail after that? 642 00:28:31,177 --> 00:28:33,345 - I'm sorry for what happened to you. 643 00:28:33,379 --> 00:28:35,114 I really am. 644 00:28:37,516 --> 00:28:39,151 But that's not up to me. 645 00:28:39,185 --> 00:28:42,154 [melancholy music] 646 00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:49,361 * 647 00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:55,802 - It was the spring of my sophomore year. 648 00:28:55,835 --> 00:28:58,938 There was a rumor going around that Mr. Karr was hooking up 649 00:28:58,971 --> 00:29:01,107 with a girl in the senior class, 650 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:04,310 so I went to tell him 651 00:29:04,343 --> 00:29:08,147 that I wouldn't be coming over to his apartment anymore. 652 00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:10,149 And he lost it. 653 00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:13,385 He told me that I couldn't break up with him. 654 00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:16,288 Only he could break up with me. 655 00:29:16,322 --> 00:29:21,293 Then he grabbed me, threw me down on the floor, 656 00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:23,762 pulled my pants off. 657 00:29:25,397 --> 00:29:30,837 I tried to tell him to stop, but he got on top of me. 658 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:32,404 I tried to get away from him, 659 00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:35,842 but he grabbed a corkscrew off the coffee table 660 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:38,845 and held it to my face. 661 00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:44,216 He told me if I screamed, he would cut me with it. 662 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:47,519 - What did he do then? 663 00:29:47,553 --> 00:29:51,891 - Then he put his penis in my vagina, and he raped me. 664 00:29:51,924 --> 00:29:55,161 - Thank you, Evelyn. 665 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:56,795 No further questions. 666 00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:02,301 - But you didn't tell anyone at the time 667 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:03,602 that this had happened? 668 00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:07,406 Not a parent, a friend, a guidance counselor? 669 00:30:07,439 --> 00:30:09,341 - I didn't think anyone would believe me. 670 00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:12,444 - Because for six months you'd been having consensual sex? 671 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:15,281 - No, I wasn't old enough to consent. 672 00:30:15,314 --> 00:30:18,017 I...acquiesced. 673 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:19,952 - That's a fancy word that means you liked it? 674 00:30:19,986 --> 00:30:21,587 - Objection. - Overruled. 675 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:24,456 I'll allow it. 676 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,326 - At the time, I was young and confused. 677 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,462 - Were you young and confused when you stole a steak knife 678 00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:32,364 and castrated him? 679 00:30:32,398 --> 00:30:34,233 - No. 680 00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:36,335 No, yes, I was. I was confused. 681 00:30:36,368 --> 00:30:37,603 - Maybe you're confused right now 682 00:30:37,636 --> 00:30:40,406 about what he did to you in high school. 683 00:30:40,439 --> 00:30:42,374 - No, I'm not confused about that. 684 00:30:42,408 --> 00:30:44,243 - Maybe this story of forcible rape 685 00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:45,644 has come 20 years after the fact 686 00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:47,880 because that's the only way my client 687 00:30:47,914 --> 00:30:49,315 can be prosecuted now. 688 00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:51,617 - He should be prosecuted for all of it. 689 00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:53,252 I was 16 years old, 690 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,553 and a teacher that I looked up to, 691 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:58,257 that I trusted, took advantage of me. 692 00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:07,900 Do you remember this, Mr. Karr? 693 00:31:09,635 --> 00:31:11,904 Jason? 694 00:31:11,938 --> 00:31:15,241 I saved it as a reminder of what happened between us. 695 00:31:15,274 --> 00:31:17,910 - Move to strike. This is not responsive. 696 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,949 [shell shatters] 697 00:31:23,449 --> 00:31:26,018 - [breathing shakily] 698 00:31:26,052 --> 00:31:29,021 [dramatic music] 699 00:31:29,055 --> 00:31:30,322 * 700 00:31:30,356 --> 00:31:32,058 - We're in recess. 701 00:31:32,091 --> 00:31:34,660 Let's get her some medical attention, please. 702 00:31:34,693 --> 00:31:41,900 * 703 00:31:47,106 --> 00:31:49,541 - Mrs. Karr. 704 00:31:49,575 --> 00:31:51,710 - There's something you should see. 705 00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:54,446 Jason kept a box of papers 706 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,049 from his teaching days in the basement. 707 00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:58,684 After I saw Evelyn in court, 708 00:31:58,717 --> 00:32:01,353 I went downstairs to see what was in there. 709 00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:02,721 - "Packard Literary Journal," from '95. 710 00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:05,992 - Look at page 15. 711 00:32:06,025 --> 00:32:08,460 - It's a poem. 712 00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:14,333 - Why are you showing this to us? 713 00:32:14,366 --> 00:32:17,536 You know this could hurt your husband's case. 714 00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:24,977 - [scoffs] 715 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:34,586 * 716 00:32:38,157 --> 00:32:38,557 . 717 00:32:38,590 --> 00:32:39,325 - I was three years out of college 718 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,494 when Evelyn was in my poetry class. 719 00:32:42,528 --> 00:32:44,096 - You've heard her testimony. 720 00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:46,232 Did you do the things she claims you did? 721 00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:47,699 - I need to explain this. 722 00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:51,670 I--I was young and immature, and Evelyn... 723 00:32:51,703 --> 00:32:53,772 [sighs] I had real feelings for her. 724 00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:57,509 I know that sounds creepy now, but I was just 24 years old, 725 00:32:57,543 --> 00:32:59,311 and I developed a crush on her. 726 00:32:59,345 --> 00:33:04,016 And when I look back on it now, I know that there's no excuse 727 00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:06,352 for--for my behavior, whatever my feelings were. 728 00:33:06,385 --> 00:33:09,721 I took advantage of my position of power, and that was wrong. 729 00:33:09,755 --> 00:33:13,792 And for that, I am truly, truly sorry. 730 00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:17,263 But I never used physical force to get Evelyn 731 00:33:17,296 --> 00:33:19,265 to have sex with me. Never. 732 00:33:19,298 --> 00:33:20,799 - Did you explain this to her 733 00:33:20,832 --> 00:33:22,801 when she confronted you in that hotel room? 734 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,270 - I tried to. That's why I agreed 735 00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:25,571 to go see Julie that night, 736 00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:27,606 to say that I was sorry. 737 00:33:27,639 --> 00:33:29,675 - Can you describe for us 738 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:33,079 how that encounter impacted your life? 739 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:38,584 - Well, after I was maimed, I had plastic surgery 740 00:33:38,617 --> 00:33:40,286 to reconstruct my scrotum. 741 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,088 I have prosthetic testicles. 742 00:33:42,121 --> 00:33:45,624 I'll be on hormone replacement for the rest of my life. 743 00:33:45,657 --> 00:33:47,126 I have nightmares. 744 00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:48,660 And every time I look down there, 745 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,696 I, uh--I'm reminded all over again 746 00:33:50,729 --> 00:33:53,265 that I'm never gonna have children. 747 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,703 [crying] I'm never gonna be able to raise a family. 748 00:34:00,339 --> 00:34:02,708 - Do you need a moment, Jason? 749 00:34:03,209 --> 00:34:07,113 - That someone could do this to another human being... 750 00:34:10,116 --> 00:34:13,852 I know that I behaved badly when I was at Packard, 751 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:17,656 and I will regret that for the rest of my life. 752 00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:20,126 But haven't I suffered enough? 753 00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,436 - When you-- when you taught at Packard, 754 00:34:30,469 --> 00:34:32,404 there was a student literary journal. 755 00:34:32,438 --> 00:34:34,206 Is that correct? 756 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,607 - Yes. 757 00:34:35,641 --> 00:34:37,676 - And so the students would-- 758 00:34:37,709 --> 00:34:41,680 would submit their writing for inclusion in the magazine? 759 00:34:41,713 --> 00:34:43,382 - That's correct. 760 00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:45,151 - Okay. 761 00:34:47,153 --> 00:34:51,657 I'd like to have that marked as People's Seven 762 00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:53,259 for identification. 763 00:34:53,292 --> 00:34:56,795 Could you read the poem on page 15 to the jury, please? 764 00:34:56,828 --> 00:34:58,797 - Move to strike. Where is this going? 765 00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:01,167 - It'll become readily apparent in short order, Your Honor. 766 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,869 - I'll give you some latitude, Mr. Barba, but get to it. 767 00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:06,172 - Thank you. 768 00:35:06,205 --> 00:35:10,476 Please read the poem aloud, Mr. Karr. 769 00:35:10,509 --> 00:35:12,278 Start with the title. 770 00:35:13,812 --> 00:35:16,148 - "Corkscrew." 771 00:35:17,216 --> 00:35:19,451 "Friday afternoons will never be the same, 772 00:35:19,485 --> 00:35:21,453 "no golden sunlight streaming 773 00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:23,855 "or songbirds serenading in the trees. 774 00:35:23,889 --> 00:35:26,458 "Just the rank taste of cheap wine 775 00:35:26,492 --> 00:35:28,427 "and the brown stain on the ceiling 776 00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:30,829 "as numb and naive I lie, 777 00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,798 "pinned to your filthy floor 778 00:35:32,831 --> 00:35:35,401 "and you, corkscrew in your sweaty fist, 779 00:35:35,434 --> 00:35:38,204 crush my soul." 780 00:35:38,237 --> 00:35:39,805 - As a former teacher of literature, 781 00:35:39,838 --> 00:35:42,841 could you conclude that the author of this poem 782 00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:46,245 had personally endured an act of sexual violence? 783 00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:49,815 - Everybody knows that poems are feats of imagination. 784 00:35:49,848 --> 00:35:51,950 Projections, or metaphors. 785 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:55,421 - Right. Who wrote that poem, sir? 786 00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:58,424 [tense music] 787 00:35:58,457 --> 00:36:00,426 * 788 00:36:00,459 --> 00:36:02,361 - Evelyn Bundy. 789 00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:04,863 - When? 790 00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:11,803 - April, '95. 791 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,975 - Nothing further. 792 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:24,250 * 793 00:36:29,455 --> 00:36:30,856 - You mind? 794 00:36:30,889 --> 00:36:32,991 - Am I that predictable? 795 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:36,328 - You are... 796 00:36:36,362 --> 00:36:39,565 but this is a tough case. 797 00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:43,802 - Listen, I'm... 798 00:36:43,835 --> 00:36:46,004 considering offering a deal. 799 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,874 Karr does the same four years Evelyn Bundy agreed to. 800 00:36:48,907 --> 00:36:50,976 - You proved forcible rape. 801 00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:53,312 - If she cut off his finger, if she poked him in the eye-- 802 00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:54,480 - It shouldn't make a difference. 803 00:36:54,513 --> 00:36:56,315 - We don't live in a vacuum. 804 00:36:56,348 --> 00:36:58,917 I can assure you, the seven guys on that jury, 805 00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:00,486 they feel Karr's pain. 806 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,290 - And if Karr wasn't castrated, if he had cancer-- 807 00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:06,392 - It's not the same thing. - It should be. 808 00:37:06,425 --> 00:37:10,329 Why do we do this, Raphael? 809 00:37:10,362 --> 00:37:13,365 Because the next girl who gets raped needs to know 810 00:37:13,399 --> 00:37:16,368 that that person is us. 811 00:37:16,402 --> 00:37:18,304 No matter what. 812 00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:22,908 [dramatic music] 813 00:37:22,941 --> 00:37:26,044 - The question then becomes, what is justice? 814 00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:30,882 Or more precisely, exactly how much retribution 815 00:37:30,916 --> 00:37:32,384 does a criminal owe? 816 00:37:32,418 --> 00:37:35,554 How much vengeance does a victim deserve? 817 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:39,925 Sure, we can pore over volumes and volumes of legal doctrine, 818 00:37:39,958 --> 00:37:41,593 but when push comes to shove, 819 00:37:41,627 --> 00:37:45,397 the answer is way more visceral than it is scholarly. 820 00:37:45,431 --> 00:37:47,866 It's human nature. It's hard-wired into us, 821 00:37:47,899 --> 00:37:49,468 like eating and sleeping. 822 00:37:49,501 --> 00:37:53,872 You're wronged. You need to wrong someone back. 823 00:37:53,905 --> 00:37:57,509 To be sure, Evelyn Bundy already took 824 00:37:57,543 --> 00:37:59,611 Jason Karr's metaphorical eye. 825 00:37:59,645 --> 00:38:02,414 Now what Mr. Barba wants 826 00:38:02,448 --> 00:38:06,084 is for you to throw in an ear as well. 827 00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:07,986 But is that just? 828 00:38:08,019 --> 00:38:10,088 Our innate sense of fair play 829 00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:12,090 tells us that to cause Jason to suffer 830 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:14,560 any more than he already has 831 00:38:14,593 --> 00:38:16,528 would be tantamount to giving Evelyn 832 00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:19,965 more justice than she actually deserves. 833 00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:24,370 My friends, please. That simply wouldn't be fair. 834 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:27,873 Thank you. 835 00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:39,985 [crumpling paper] 836 00:38:41,052 --> 00:38:44,623 - Hasn't he suffered enough? 837 00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:47,359 My vote is yes, he has. 838 00:38:47,393 --> 00:38:51,062 I mean, Jason assaulted Evelyn. Evelyn assaulted him back. 839 00:38:51,096 --> 00:38:54,866 That sounds fair to me. Sounds like justice at work. 840 00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:56,935 To be just, it has to be fair. 841 00:38:56,968 --> 00:39:00,038 I mean, that's what Ms. Rivers asserts. 842 00:39:00,071 --> 00:39:02,474 You know, I can't really disagree with that. 843 00:39:02,508 --> 00:39:06,645 In purely pound of flesh terms, Mr. Karr certainly gave up 844 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,480 a hell of a lot more than he got. 845 00:39:08,514 --> 00:39:11,950 Fair? Not a chance. 846 00:39:11,983 --> 00:39:14,386 To be totally fair, 847 00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,623 you should give Jason one of Evelyn's breasts. 848 00:39:17,656 --> 00:39:21,627 An arm, maybe. That's only fair. 849 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:27,165 And as we have now decided, that means it's just. 850 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:31,169 Jason Karr forcibly raped Evelyn Bundy 851 00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:34,606 when she was little more than a child. 852 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,175 But to tack a prison sentence 853 00:39:37,208 --> 00:39:41,079 on Mr. Karr's already gargantuan suffering 854 00:39:41,112 --> 00:39:44,049 would tip the balance of justice in Ms. Bundy's favor, 855 00:39:44,082 --> 00:39:46,618 and hey, there's no way that's fair, 856 00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:49,555 so there's no way that's just. 857 00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:52,691 A man whose store burns down rushes out, buys some gasoline, 858 00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:55,093 a book of matches, and sets the house of the arsonist on fire. 859 00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:59,531 Hey! It's fair, so that means it's just! 860 00:39:59,565 --> 00:40:02,434 A man whose children have been murdered buys a gun 861 00:40:02,468 --> 00:40:04,670 and splatters the brains of the killer's children 862 00:40:04,703 --> 00:40:06,572 all over their bedroom walls. 863 00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:09,174 It's fair. It's just. 864 00:40:09,207 --> 00:40:12,978 Why bother with cops or courts? 865 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,483 If it's fair, it has to be just! 866 00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:19,685 Let the blood flow in the streets, I say! 867 00:40:19,718 --> 00:40:21,086 Oh, wait, you don't like it? 868 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,689 I say get a bigger pair of boots. 869 00:40:23,722 --> 00:40:26,692 [dramatic music] 870 00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:34,065 * 871 00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:42,741 - Has the jury reached a verdict? 872 00:40:42,774 --> 00:40:45,577 - We have, Your Honor. 873 00:40:45,611 --> 00:40:47,245 - How do you find? 874 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:49,548 - We find the defendant, Jason Karr, 875 00:40:49,581 --> 00:40:52,083 guilty of rape in the first degree. 876 00:40:52,117 --> 00:40:59,491 * 877 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:11,703 - "So Peter Rabbit was so tired that he flopped down 878 00:41:11,737 --> 00:41:13,004 "on the nice, soft sand 879 00:41:13,038 --> 00:41:14,740 "on the floor of the rabbit hole, 880 00:41:14,773 --> 00:41:16,842 "and he shut his eyes. 881 00:41:16,875 --> 00:41:18,777 His mother was busy cooking." 882 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:20,712 - What was she cooking? 883 00:41:20,746 --> 00:41:22,548 - Probably sushi. 884 00:41:22,581 --> 00:41:25,250 - [laughs] Rabbits don't eat sushi. 885 00:41:25,283 --> 00:41:29,087 - "She wondered what he had done with his clothes. 886 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,157 "It was the second little jacket and shoes 887 00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:34,192 that Peter had lost in a fortnight--" 888 00:41:34,225 --> 00:41:36,161 [knocking on door] 889 00:41:37,863 --> 00:41:39,631 Did you invite somebody over? 890 00:41:39,665 --> 00:41:41,132 - No, you did. 891 00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:42,734 - No, I didn't. 892 00:41:44,135 --> 00:41:45,637 Let me check who it is, sweetie. 893 00:41:45,671 --> 00:41:48,073 [knocking continues] 894 00:41:52,778 --> 00:41:54,846 - Olivia Benson? 895 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,849 - Yes. 896 00:41:57,883 --> 00:42:03,088 - I'm Sheila Porter. Noah's grandmother. 897 00:42:03,121 --> 00:42:08,093 *