1 00:00:01,034 --> 00:00:04,413 [THEME MUSIC] 2 00:00:04,448 --> 00:00:07,931 [TENSE MUSIC] 3 00:00:09,379 --> 00:00:13,137 Moscow will forever be known as the scene 4 00:00:13,172 --> 00:00:17,620 of one of the most tragic crimes in American history. 5 00:00:17,655 --> 00:00:22,586 There's still sort of a darkness whenever you talk to people. 6 00:00:22,620 --> 00:00:25,689 It will be ever part of the university's history 7 00:00:25,724 --> 00:00:28,827 and the town's history. 8 00:00:28,862 --> 00:00:32,965 There are four very, very important names in this case-- 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,931 Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, 10 00:00:37,965 --> 00:00:39,448 and Ethan Chapin. 11 00:00:39,482 --> 00:00:42,000 And if you're going to remember any names from this case, 12 00:00:42,034 --> 00:00:45,172 I ask that it be all four. 13 00:00:45,206 --> 00:00:47,482 My name is Olivia Goncalves. 14 00:00:47,517 --> 00:00:50,655 And Kaylee was my little sister. 15 00:00:50,689 --> 00:00:52,000 Well, everybody's going to work. 16 00:00:52,034 --> 00:00:53,517 And you look out the window, and there's kids running down 17 00:00:53,551 --> 00:00:54,758 the street, laughing. 18 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:58,448 And you're just like, how can you be out there playing? 19 00:00:58,482 --> 00:01:00,482 My daughter's dead. 20 00:01:00,517 --> 00:01:03,310 Kaylee Goncalves is gone. 21 00:01:03,344 --> 00:01:04,724 Stop everything. 22 00:01:04,757 --> 00:01:08,413 Everybody in the whole world, stop. 23 00:01:08,448 --> 00:01:09,793 And everything just keeps going. 24 00:01:12,379 --> 00:01:19,137 My sister, Xana Kernodle, is one of the happiest funniest people 25 00:01:19,172 --> 00:01:20,310 I've ever met. 26 00:01:20,344 --> 00:01:25,068 And I had the awesome privilege of growing up with her. 27 00:01:25,103 --> 00:01:30,103 And I still have a hard time coming to terms with the fact 28 00:01:30,137 --> 00:01:31,724 that it did happen. 29 00:01:35,241 --> 00:01:38,827 Bryan Kohberger is accused of stabbing these four University 30 00:01:38,862 --> 00:01:42,172 of Idaho students in the pre-dawn hours on November 13, 31 00:01:42,206 --> 00:01:43,448 2022. 32 00:01:43,482 --> 00:01:46,448 The murder weapon, which was a knife, has never been found. 33 00:01:46,482 --> 00:01:49,000 This is a type of survival knife. 34 00:01:49,033 --> 00:01:52,033 Bryan Kohberger did not make his own plea. 35 00:01:52,068 --> 00:01:55,655 The judge entered a plea for him of not guilty. 36 00:01:55,689 --> 00:02:00,000 The maximum penalty is life in prison or the death penalty. 37 00:02:00,034 --> 00:02:02,310 Due to the nature of the crimes, the state of Idaho 38 00:02:02,344 --> 00:02:03,896 is seeking the death penalty. 39 00:02:03,931 --> 00:02:04,965 He was there to kill. 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 He came in with a kit. 41 00:02:07,034 --> 00:02:08,378 I believe he had a kill kit. 42 00:02:08,413 --> 00:02:10,758 And you believe that everything right down 43 00:02:10,793 --> 00:02:15,103 to the implement of destruction, this large marine knife, that 44 00:02:15,137 --> 00:02:16,827 was all planned? 45 00:02:16,862 --> 00:02:17,689 All planned. 46 00:02:17,724 --> 00:02:19,172 It was inhumane. 47 00:02:19,206 --> 00:02:20,965 You wouldn't do these type of things 48 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,000 to any living creature, let alone an innocent human being. 49 00:02:27,034 --> 00:02:30,448 The star piece of evidence in the prosecution's case 50 00:02:30,482 --> 00:02:33,896 is the DNA that was found on the knife sheath that 51 00:02:33,930 --> 00:02:35,862 was left at the crime scene. 52 00:02:35,896 --> 00:02:37,896 But there's so much other evidence 53 00:02:37,930 --> 00:02:40,310 that's also pointing towards nobody else 54 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:42,827 that we're aware of. 55 00:02:42,862 --> 00:02:47,379 How is Bryan Kohberger's car spotted leaving the scene? 56 00:02:47,413 --> 00:02:50,413 Why was his cell phone seen there 12 times, including 57 00:02:50,448 --> 00:02:52,172 the morning after the offense? 58 00:02:52,206 --> 00:02:54,517 The prosecution would like everyone 59 00:02:54,551 --> 00:02:57,689 to believe that it's an open-and-shut case. 60 00:02:57,724 --> 00:03:01,793 But I think the facts they have make the case more 61 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:04,965 open than open and shut. 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,103 According to the defense, there is no connection whatsoever 63 00:03:09,137 --> 00:03:12,206 between Bryan Kohberger and the victims. 64 00:03:12,241 --> 00:03:15,758 And if there is no connection, then there is no motive. 65 00:03:15,793 --> 00:03:17,827 And if there is no motive, then it 66 00:03:17,862 --> 00:03:21,413 becomes very hard to make the case that he is the killer. 67 00:03:21,448 --> 00:03:25,551 And this is a graduate student, not a trained assassin. 68 00:03:25,586 --> 00:03:29,241 It's more so about putting these pieces together. 69 00:03:29,275 --> 00:03:31,551 Because I know what the puzzle looks like at the end. 70 00:03:31,586 --> 00:03:37,172 I have the box in front of me, but I'm missing so many pieces. 71 00:03:37,206 --> 00:03:41,965 How did all of these pieces fall to create 72 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,551 what I'm living in right now? 73 00:03:44,586 --> 00:03:45,724 Where did this come from? 74 00:03:50,172 --> 00:03:53,689 [THEME MUSIC] 75 00:04:31,551 --> 00:04:34,068 [TENSE MUSIC] 76 00:04:34,103 --> 00:04:36,379 It was not the news Steve and Kristi 77 00:04:36,413 --> 00:04:38,482 Goncalves wanted to hear. 78 00:04:38,517 --> 00:04:41,689 In August of 2023, just six weeks 79 00:04:41,724 --> 00:04:45,655 before the murder trial of Bryan Kohberger was set to begin, 80 00:04:45,689 --> 00:04:48,137 he waived his right to a speedy trial. 81 00:04:48,172 --> 00:04:50,586 Are you sure you want to do this? 82 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:51,793 Absolutely. 83 00:04:51,827 --> 00:04:54,206 They would have to wait indefinitely 84 00:04:54,241 --> 00:04:57,034 for their day in court. 85 00:04:57,068 --> 00:05:01,172 I was really hoping that we could get this show on the road 86 00:05:01,206 --> 00:05:05,758 because the not knowing, it just-- 87 00:05:05,793 --> 00:05:07,034 it's agony. 88 00:05:07,068 --> 00:05:07,689 It's agony. 89 00:05:11,448 --> 00:05:14,034 Steve and Kristi, the parents of Kaylee, 90 00:05:14,068 --> 00:05:16,689 haven't left anything to chance. 91 00:05:16,724 --> 00:05:20,344 After the judge issued a gag order to attorneys and law 92 00:05:20,379 --> 00:05:24,655 enforcement, quote, "to preserve the right to a fair trial," 93 00:05:24,689 --> 00:05:27,896 they drilled down on their own investigation 94 00:05:27,931 --> 00:05:29,896 and are now sharing what they believe 95 00:05:29,931 --> 00:05:32,206 that investigation found. 96 00:05:32,241 --> 00:05:35,482 Steve says he believes transparency 97 00:05:35,517 --> 00:05:38,517 is the best path to justice. 98 00:05:38,551 --> 00:05:42,310 We're not going to just sit back and cross our fingers 99 00:05:42,344 --> 00:05:44,034 and pray that we're going to get justice. 100 00:05:49,724 --> 00:05:52,034 It has been a long and painful journey 101 00:05:52,068 --> 00:05:56,482 for the families of Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, Xana 102 00:05:56,517 --> 00:06:00,551 Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, the four University 103 00:06:00,586 --> 00:06:03,034 of Idaho students who were savagely 104 00:06:03,068 --> 00:06:06,586 murdered by a knife-wielding assailant in the wee 105 00:06:06,620 --> 00:06:11,413 hours of November 13, 2022 as they settled down 106 00:06:11,448 --> 00:06:15,310 to sleep in their off-campus house on King Road. 107 00:06:15,344 --> 00:06:17,827 Do you ever dream of your sister? 108 00:06:17,862 --> 00:06:21,241 Yeah, I've had some dreams of her. 109 00:06:21,275 --> 00:06:24,862 There's times where I prayed and asked 110 00:06:24,896 --> 00:06:26,379 God to see her another time. 111 00:06:26,413 --> 00:06:27,689 And I did. 112 00:06:27,724 --> 00:06:31,482 And it just gives me some peace knowing that I know she's OK. 113 00:06:36,068 --> 00:06:39,413 Jazzmin Kernodle, who is speaking for the first time, 114 00:06:39,448 --> 00:06:42,206 was a senior at Washington State University 115 00:06:42,241 --> 00:06:46,965 and lived only 15 minutes away from her younger sister Xana. 116 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,655 Often mistaken as twins growing up, 117 00:06:49,689 --> 00:06:52,448 she says they were best friends. 118 00:06:52,482 --> 00:06:53,827 She was always fun. 119 00:06:53,862 --> 00:06:55,137 She was uplifting. 120 00:06:55,172 --> 00:06:59,689 And she took any bad situation and turned it into a good one. 121 00:06:59,724 --> 00:07:03,793 Jeff, what did you love most about your daughter? 122 00:07:03,827 --> 00:07:05,275 Everything. 123 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:07,896 She cared about people. 124 00:07:07,931 --> 00:07:09,758 She was a people person. 125 00:07:09,793 --> 00:07:14,103 She cared about her friends, just as much as her family. 126 00:07:14,137 --> 00:07:16,655 For the first time in her life, Xana 127 00:07:16,689 --> 00:07:20,482 had fallen in love with fellow student Ethan Chapin, 128 00:07:20,517 --> 00:07:22,896 a triplet who loved his siblings, 129 00:07:22,931 --> 00:07:26,413 boats, and working on a tulip farm. 130 00:07:26,448 --> 00:07:27,758 The sweetest kid ever. 131 00:07:27,793 --> 00:07:30,103 They were just two happy people. 132 00:07:30,137 --> 00:07:33,413 And just seeing the videos and photos of them, 133 00:07:33,448 --> 00:07:35,517 you can just tell how happy they are. 134 00:07:35,551 --> 00:07:38,172 They're just amazing together. 135 00:07:38,206 --> 00:07:43,517 Sadly, they will now forever be linked in death. 136 00:07:43,551 --> 00:07:46,931 On Sunday Morning, November 13, Xana's friends 137 00:07:46,965 --> 00:07:50,965 started calling Jazzmin, saying something bad had 138 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,620 happened on King Road. 139 00:07:52,655 --> 00:07:56,000 Jazzmin rushed over to Xana's house. 140 00:07:56,034 --> 00:07:59,689 And while you're driving that 8, 9 miles over to the house, 141 00:07:59,724 --> 00:08:01,551 are you trying to reach your sister then? 142 00:08:01,586 --> 00:08:02,275 Mm-hmm. 143 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:03,517 How many times did you call her? 144 00:08:03,551 --> 00:08:04,482 A lot. 145 00:08:04,517 --> 00:08:05,344 I called her a lot. 146 00:08:05,379 --> 00:08:06,724 I called Ethan a lot. 147 00:08:06,758 --> 00:08:09,275 Her next call was to her father. 148 00:08:09,310 --> 00:08:12,724 Jeffrey had been visiting Jazzmin for Dad's Weekend 149 00:08:12,758 --> 00:08:14,413 and was on his way home. 150 00:08:14,448 --> 00:08:15,482 So you answer the phone. 151 00:08:15,517 --> 00:08:16,517 What do you hear? 152 00:08:16,551 --> 00:08:19,137 I hear her crying and just telling 153 00:08:19,172 --> 00:08:23,551 me to get back to Moscow and meet me at Xana's house. 154 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:33,034 And my heart drops instantly. 155 00:08:33,068 --> 00:08:35,206 I raced back down there. 156 00:08:35,241 --> 00:08:39,344 The house was cordoned off and swarming with investigators. 157 00:08:39,379 --> 00:08:42,241 As soon as Jefrrey said he was Xana's father, 158 00:08:42,275 --> 00:08:46,689 he and Jazzmin were escorted to the Moscow Police Department. 159 00:08:46,724 --> 00:08:49,034 And, Jazzmin, what does the officer 160 00:08:49,068 --> 00:08:51,758 say to you and your father? 161 00:08:51,793 --> 00:08:58,000 I don't remember exactly, just that four people passed away 162 00:08:58,034 --> 00:09:01,034 and that one was Xana. 163 00:09:01,068 --> 00:09:05,068 The worst day of your life, just your worst nightmare. 164 00:09:08,482 --> 00:09:09,965 It just happened. 165 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,724 What do you do? 166 00:09:11,758 --> 00:09:14,724 You can't do a damn thing. 167 00:09:14,758 --> 00:09:17,965 100 miles away, the Goncalves family 168 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,275 also had been getting frantic calls, 169 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:23,206 saying something bad had happened to their daughter 170 00:09:23,241 --> 00:09:24,034 Kaylee. 171 00:09:24,068 --> 00:09:26,068 But no one knew what. 172 00:09:26,103 --> 00:09:28,068 I just kept saying over and over, what do I do? 173 00:09:28,103 --> 00:09:28,655 What do we do? 174 00:09:28,689 --> 00:09:29,620 What do we do? 175 00:09:29,655 --> 00:09:32,482 Finally, at around 4:00 in the afternoon, 176 00:09:32,517 --> 00:09:35,137 a deputy appeared at their door. 177 00:09:35,172 --> 00:09:37,206 And we said, what's going on? 178 00:09:37,241 --> 00:09:40,344 I can confirm your daughter has died, passed away. 179 00:09:40,379 --> 00:09:42,137 That point, he said there were four victims. 180 00:09:42,172 --> 00:09:44,068 And I said, four? 181 00:09:44,103 --> 00:09:45,103 And he said, yes, ma'am. 182 00:09:45,137 --> 00:09:46,965 I said, can you tell us if one of the victims 183 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:47,931 was Maddie Mogen? 184 00:09:47,965 --> 00:09:49,034 And he said, yes, ma'am. 185 00:09:53,103 --> 00:09:57,206 Maddie Mogen, Kaylee's best friend from childhood. 186 00:09:57,241 --> 00:09:59,482 Give us a sense of just how close 187 00:09:59,517 --> 00:10:02,310 Kaylee and Maddie were in life. 188 00:10:02,344 --> 00:10:08,448 I think that they had a very amazing relationship, 189 00:10:08,482 --> 00:10:11,310 the epitome of true best friends. 190 00:10:11,344 --> 00:10:13,758 From very early, I mean, they were sisters 191 00:10:13,793 --> 00:10:15,931 through and through. 192 00:10:15,965 --> 00:10:19,827 They were completely inseparable. 193 00:10:19,862 --> 00:10:22,896 As soon as the news hit, Olivia, the eldest 194 00:10:22,931 --> 00:10:26,034 of the five Goncalves children, and her parents 195 00:10:26,068 --> 00:10:28,241 went into detective mode. 196 00:10:28,275 --> 00:10:29,586 We had zero details. 197 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:31,448 We just knew they were gone. 198 00:10:31,482 --> 00:10:33,965 Olivia got into her sister's call log 199 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,034 and frantically started cold calling recent numbers. 200 00:10:38,068 --> 00:10:41,344 She says a friend told her that Kaylee had been at the Corner 201 00:10:41,379 --> 00:10:46,103 Club bar around 1:07 AM and later texted 202 00:10:46,137 --> 00:10:50,413 a rideshare driver, who Olivia managed to track down. 203 00:10:50,448 --> 00:10:54,724 The rideshare driver said, around 1:45, Kaylee 204 00:10:54,758 --> 00:10:57,965 had texted him, requesting a ride from the Grub truck, which 205 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,482 is the local mac and cheese food truck, to take 206 00:11:01,517 --> 00:11:04,551 her back home to 1122 King, and she 207 00:11:04,586 --> 00:11:07,517 had with her another female. 208 00:11:07,551 --> 00:11:11,068 Olivia then uncovered one of the most important leads 209 00:11:11,103 --> 00:11:12,275 in the case. 210 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:15,862 The rideshare driver told her about a camera 211 00:11:15,896 --> 00:11:17,931 mounted on the Grub truck. 212 00:11:17,965 --> 00:11:22,241 So I was able to look it up and find Kaylee on the video. 213 00:11:22,275 --> 00:11:24,241 And I saw the girl that she was with was Maddie. 214 00:11:24,275 --> 00:11:28,482 So at that point, I knew Kaylee and Maddie were together. 215 00:11:28,517 --> 00:11:31,724 They got into the car to go home together and alone. 216 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:34,172 The driver told her the exact time 217 00:11:34,206 --> 00:11:36,896 Kaylee and Maddie were dropped off at their house 218 00:11:36,931 --> 00:11:43,827 on King Road, 1:56 AM, a timeline she says she confirmed 219 00:11:43,862 --> 00:11:45,517 before the police. 220 00:11:45,551 --> 00:11:48,586 I immediately took it to the police officers. 221 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:51,310 Here's her phone information. 222 00:11:51,344 --> 00:11:54,275 Here's the rideshare driver's name. 223 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:59,448 Olivia says Kaylee made a call to her boyfriend at 2:56 AM, 224 00:11:59,482 --> 00:12:01,275 but he didn't answer. 225 00:12:01,310 --> 00:12:06,034 The Goncalveses believe Kaylee fell asleep shortly after. 226 00:12:06,068 --> 00:12:08,206 According to the police affidavit, 227 00:12:08,241 --> 00:12:12,862 Kaylee and Maddie were stabbed to death between 4:00 and 4:25 228 00:12:12,896 --> 00:12:14,172 AM. 229 00:12:14,206 --> 00:12:17,034 Just as they had done since they were little girls, 230 00:12:17,068 --> 00:12:21,034 they were sleeping in the same bed. 231 00:12:21,068 --> 00:12:25,931 Those two best friends since little girls, 232 00:12:25,965 --> 00:12:28,620 I don't think there's anything more terrifying than what 233 00:12:28,655 --> 00:12:30,034 they went through. 234 00:12:30,068 --> 00:12:33,137 I really don't. 235 00:12:33,172 --> 00:12:36,931 The killer took four lives in a matter of minutes, 236 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:41,551 but he left behind two surviving roommates, one of whom 237 00:12:41,586 --> 00:12:45,413 would provide a key description of the intruder. 238 00:12:45,448 --> 00:12:47,896 He was dressed in black, muscular build, 239 00:12:47,931 --> 00:12:49,551 and very bushy eyebrows. 240 00:12:49,586 --> 00:12:53,034 [TENSE MUSIC] 241 00:13:08,586 --> 00:13:12,206 If there is one picture that speaks to the Idaho student 242 00:13:12,241 --> 00:13:16,724 murders, it is this, six smiling college students, 243 00:13:16,758 --> 00:13:20,379 blissfully unaware of the carnage to come. 244 00:13:20,413 --> 00:13:25,172 It's staged in a way that is almost, in a strange way, 245 00:13:25,206 --> 00:13:26,551 ominously predicting. 246 00:13:26,586 --> 00:13:29,068 Investigative journalist Howard Blum 247 00:13:29,103 --> 00:13:31,448 has written extensively on the student 248 00:13:31,482 --> 00:13:35,931 murders for Graydon Carter's online magazine, Air Mail. 249 00:13:35,965 --> 00:13:38,758 He is now writing a book on the case. 250 00:13:38,793 --> 00:13:42,482 On the ends of the picture are the two survivors. 251 00:13:42,517 --> 00:13:46,413 In the middle are the victims, and they're huddled together. 252 00:13:46,448 --> 00:13:50,482 Kaylee with a beaming Maddie on her shoulders, friends 253 00:13:50,517 --> 00:13:51,724 for life. 254 00:13:51,758 --> 00:13:56,793 Ethan with his arm around Xana, young love in full bloom. 255 00:13:56,827 --> 00:14:00,034 A moment that should have been a memory of their idyllic college 256 00:14:00,068 --> 00:14:03,137 years would eternally be a reminder 257 00:14:03,172 --> 00:14:09,206 of the gruesome murders that put them in their graves. 258 00:14:09,241 --> 00:14:13,068 What makes it so tragic is they're forever 259 00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:14,586 preserved in this moment. 260 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:18,103 They'll never be able to leave this moment. 261 00:14:18,137 --> 00:14:20,206 Hours after this photo was taken, 262 00:14:20,241 --> 00:14:22,896 the four friends would be murdered. 263 00:14:22,931 --> 00:14:26,206 Their deaths so violent, even the house 264 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:27,655 seemed to be bleeding. 265 00:14:27,689 --> 00:14:30,793 There was literally blood oozing out from the home. 266 00:14:30,827 --> 00:14:32,793 You could see it on the exterior walls. 267 00:14:32,827 --> 00:14:37,793 CBS News consultant Bryanna Fox is a former FBI agent 268 00:14:37,827 --> 00:14:41,482 and professor of criminology at the University of South 269 00:14:41,517 --> 00:14:42,620 Florida. 270 00:14:42,655 --> 00:14:45,551 That's how bloody and gruesome the crime scene is. 271 00:14:45,586 --> 00:14:47,620 According to the affidavit, which 272 00:14:47,655 --> 00:14:50,310 outlines law enforcement's investigation, 273 00:14:50,344 --> 00:14:53,965 the bodies of Xana and Ethan, who was sleeping over, 274 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,034 were found in or near her bedroom on the second floor. 275 00:14:59,068 --> 00:15:02,931 The bodies of Kaylee and Maddie were on the third floor, 276 00:15:02,965 --> 00:15:06,586 in the same single bed in Maddie's room. 277 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:09,172 How did your daughter die in that house? 278 00:15:09,206 --> 00:15:10,896 What do you know? 279 00:15:10,931 --> 00:15:12,413 We know the autopsy. 280 00:15:12,448 --> 00:15:16,137 We know the means of what is officially how she died. 281 00:15:16,172 --> 00:15:19,758 She was assaulted and stabbed. 282 00:15:19,793 --> 00:15:21,034 Several times. 283 00:15:21,068 --> 00:15:25,241 Her death certificate is the ugliest, disgusting-est piece 284 00:15:25,275 --> 00:15:27,862 of paper that you will ever see in your life. 285 00:15:27,896 --> 00:15:30,034 And every line is a horror show. 286 00:15:30,068 --> 00:15:31,000 Every line. 287 00:15:31,034 --> 00:15:32,827 Because there's causes of death, and then 288 00:15:32,862 --> 00:15:35,344 there's contributions to death. 289 00:15:35,379 --> 00:15:38,620 Kristi and Steve spoke to coroner Cathy Mabbutt 290 00:15:38,655 --> 00:15:41,379 before the gag order was issued, and they 291 00:15:41,413 --> 00:15:44,655 say she told them how the two friends were 292 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:46,206 positioned in the bed. 293 00:15:46,241 --> 00:15:48,793 The bed was up against the wall. 294 00:15:48,827 --> 00:15:50,172 A headboard was touching the wall, 295 00:15:50,206 --> 00:15:53,344 and the left side of the bed was touching the wall. 296 00:15:53,379 --> 00:15:56,310 And we believe that Maddie was on the outside 297 00:15:56,344 --> 00:15:57,931 and Kaylee was on the inside. 298 00:15:57,965 --> 00:16:01,413 According to Coroner Mabbutt, the killer's first victim 299 00:16:01,448 --> 00:16:03,517 was Maddie, says Steve. 300 00:16:03,551 --> 00:16:08,172 And then, from Maddie, he moved on to your daughter. 301 00:16:08,206 --> 00:16:10,758 You believe she had awakened at that point? 302 00:16:10,793 --> 00:16:12,034 Yes. 303 00:16:12,068 --> 00:16:14,689 Yeah, there's evidence to show that she awakened and tried 304 00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:16,379 to get out of that situation. 305 00:16:16,413 --> 00:16:19,068 The way the bed was set up is what-- 306 00:16:19,103 --> 00:16:19,758 She was trapped. 307 00:16:19,793 --> 00:16:21,172 She was trapped. 308 00:16:21,206 --> 00:16:24,551 We know from the affidavit that Kohberger's cell phone 309 00:16:24,586 --> 00:16:26,620 pinged in the vicinity of the house 310 00:16:26,655 --> 00:16:29,344 12 times prior to the murders. 311 00:16:29,379 --> 00:16:31,689 Steve says, before the gag order, 312 00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:34,310 one of the lead investigators told him 313 00:16:34,344 --> 00:16:38,379 they believe Kohberger had been scouting out the house. 314 00:16:38,413 --> 00:16:40,448 You believe these visits were like-- he 315 00:16:40,482 --> 00:16:44,413 was like on an intelligence mission, a scouting mission, 316 00:16:44,448 --> 00:16:48,310 looking at lifestyle patterns, when they came and went, 317 00:16:48,344 --> 00:16:49,620 who came to the house. 318 00:16:49,655 --> 00:16:50,862 Methodical, yeah. 319 00:16:50,896 --> 00:16:54,413 He had to know when people were coming, people were going. 320 00:16:54,448 --> 00:16:57,344 It makes the Goncalveses wonder if he'd ever 321 00:16:57,379 --> 00:16:59,758 gone inside the house. 322 00:16:59,793 --> 00:17:03,517 I think that he at least had opened that door, went in, 323 00:17:03,551 --> 00:17:06,137 tested the waters, looked around. 324 00:17:06,172 --> 00:17:10,655 Steve says the coroner told him the killer's rampage started 325 00:17:10,689 --> 00:17:14,378 on the third floor, where both Maddie and Kaylee had 326 00:17:14,413 --> 00:17:15,517 their bedrooms. 327 00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:17,586 Kristi thinks he wasn't expecting 328 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:21,034 to find the two friends together in the same bed. 329 00:17:21,068 --> 00:17:22,550 I do think that his plan went awry. 330 00:17:22,586 --> 00:17:25,964 I do think that he intended to kill one and killed four. 331 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,896 Bryanna Fox also believes Xana and Ethan 332 00:17:28,931 --> 00:17:30,655 were collateral damage. 333 00:17:30,689 --> 00:17:34,413 According to the affidavit, Xana received a DoorDash food 334 00:17:34,448 --> 00:17:38,517 delivery at 4:00 AM, then went back to her room 335 00:17:38,551 --> 00:17:40,206 on the second floor. 336 00:17:40,241 --> 00:17:45,551 It's possible, says Fox, that Xana, still awake, came face 337 00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:47,413 to face with the killer. 338 00:17:47,448 --> 00:17:50,517 And she sees somebody that she doesn't expect. 339 00:17:50,551 --> 00:17:53,827 And I don't think he was expecting to see her either. 340 00:17:53,862 --> 00:17:57,344 One of the two surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen, 341 00:17:57,379 --> 00:17:59,551 later told the police that she heard 342 00:17:59,586 --> 00:18:04,034 what she thought was crying coming from Xana's room. 343 00:18:04,068 --> 00:18:06,206 She heard a male voice say something 344 00:18:06,241 --> 00:18:08,448 to the effect, "it's OK. 345 00:18:08,482 --> 00:18:10,000 I'm going to help you"-- 346 00:18:10,034 --> 00:18:12,000 not something a killer would likely 347 00:18:12,034 --> 00:18:15,793 say to an intended target, says Fox. 348 00:18:15,827 --> 00:18:19,551 He probably was trying to make a split-second decision. 349 00:18:19,586 --> 00:18:21,000 Do I run away? 350 00:18:21,034 --> 00:18:22,137 Do I kill her? 351 00:18:22,172 --> 00:18:23,137 What do I do? 352 00:18:23,172 --> 00:18:25,034 And he decided to kill her. 353 00:18:25,068 --> 00:18:30,586 At approximately 4:17 AM, police say an outside security camera 354 00:18:30,620 --> 00:18:34,000 less than 50 from Xana's room picked up 355 00:18:34,034 --> 00:18:37,206 distorted audio of what sounded like voices 356 00:18:37,241 --> 00:18:40,724 or a whimper followed by a loud thud. 357 00:18:40,758 --> 00:18:44,103 Shortly after, Dylan, the surviving roommate, 358 00:18:44,137 --> 00:18:47,448 whose bedroom was near Xana's, opened the door. 359 00:18:47,482 --> 00:18:49,448 According to the police affidavit, 360 00:18:49,482 --> 00:18:53,344 when Dylan opens the door, she saw a man dressed 361 00:18:53,379 --> 00:18:55,758 in black with a black mask. 362 00:18:55,793 --> 00:18:58,793 And she says he has "bushy eyebrows." 363 00:18:58,827 --> 00:19:04,586 Those bushy eyebrows become very important when the police are 364 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:07,172 making their identification. 365 00:19:07,206 --> 00:19:09,517 The man with the bushy eyebrows kept 366 00:19:09,551 --> 00:19:13,068 walking to the rear of the house without harming Dylan. 367 00:19:13,103 --> 00:19:16,034 Why was Dylan not killed? 368 00:19:16,068 --> 00:19:18,931 Again, there is no definitive answer. 369 00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:22,103 He didn't kill her because he didn't see her. 370 00:19:22,137 --> 00:19:24,965 He was sort of transfixed on getting out. 371 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,379 He didn't kill her because he was satiated. 372 00:19:28,413 --> 00:19:32,965 Or he was simply too depleted to kill again, says Fox. 373 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,413 Even stabbing somebody for a minute and a half, 374 00:19:35,448 --> 00:19:38,000 not only is that overkill, but it actually 375 00:19:38,034 --> 00:19:40,655 would become rather exhausting. 376 00:19:40,689 --> 00:19:43,344 The police believe the murder weapon, which has not 377 00:19:43,379 --> 00:19:46,586 been found, was a military-style KA-BAR 378 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:48,896 knife, similar to this one. 379 00:19:48,931 --> 00:19:51,310 The details are disturbing. 380 00:19:51,344 --> 00:19:53,413 This is not a civilian knife. 381 00:19:53,448 --> 00:19:58,793 It was actually meant to tear apart bone, ligaments, organs. 382 00:19:58,827 --> 00:20:03,827 So this is a extremely brutal and something 383 00:20:03,862 --> 00:20:07,241 that you would never expect a person 384 00:20:07,275 --> 00:20:12,517 to walk in and want to commit unless they took some pleasure 385 00:20:12,551 --> 00:20:14,896 out of the brutality of it. 386 00:20:14,931 --> 00:20:18,793 After seeing the intruder, Dylan, the surviving roommate, 387 00:20:18,827 --> 00:20:22,482 told investigators she locked herself in her room. 388 00:20:22,517 --> 00:20:26,965 It would be almost eight hours before 911 was called, 389 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,724 causing an uproar on social media, 390 00:20:29,758 --> 00:20:33,241 criticizing Dylan's alleged inaction. 391 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:36,793 But Bryanna Fox says it's not unusual for people 392 00:20:36,827 --> 00:20:40,965 to freeze or be too afraid to intervene. 393 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,758 She had no reason to know how to handle herself in that moment. 394 00:20:45,793 --> 00:20:49,482 According to the affidavit, the male "walked towards the back 395 00:20:49,517 --> 00:20:53,344 sliding glass door" and presumably left the scene. 396 00:20:53,379 --> 00:20:55,551 But committing murder and getting away 397 00:20:55,586 --> 00:20:59,034 with it are two different things, says Fox. 398 00:20:59,068 --> 00:21:02,172 For an offender to get away with a crime, a murder, 399 00:21:02,206 --> 00:21:03,896 they have to bat a thousand. 400 00:21:03,931 --> 00:21:05,344 They have to be absolutely perfect. 401 00:21:05,379 --> 00:21:09,793 If they make one singular mistake, that's all it takes. 402 00:21:09,827 --> 00:21:12,862 And that one possible mistake in this case 403 00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:15,827 may have been the sheath to the KA-BAR knife. 404 00:21:15,862 --> 00:21:18,172 One like this was found on the bed 405 00:21:18,206 --> 00:21:21,448 next to Maddie Mogen. It would lead investigators 406 00:21:21,482 --> 00:21:26,000 to the door of a man studying for a career in criminology, 407 00:21:26,034 --> 00:21:28,896 Bryan Kohberger, the alleged killer. 408 00:21:33,034 --> 00:21:35,965 To see a timeline of the case, go to 48hours.com. 409 00:21:42,206 --> 00:21:45,655 [TENSE MUSIC] 410 00:21:58,931 --> 00:22:01,344 Day after day and week after week 411 00:22:01,379 --> 00:22:04,241 passed and there is no suspect that is arrested. 412 00:22:04,275 --> 00:22:07,103 What was that time like for you? 413 00:22:07,137 --> 00:22:08,724 That was the worst. 414 00:22:08,758 --> 00:22:12,310 For 47 days after the murders, the families 415 00:22:12,344 --> 00:22:18,482 of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan and the country waited-- 416 00:22:18,517 --> 00:22:21,758 We do not have a suspect at this time. 417 00:22:21,793 --> 00:22:26,758 --and wept and weighed in. 418 00:22:26,793 --> 00:22:29,827 People of Idaho and those throughout our nation 419 00:22:29,862 --> 00:22:33,275 who provided information has been very impressive. 420 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:37,379 We received over 19,000 tips. 421 00:22:37,413 --> 00:22:41,896 Then, on December 30, 2022, Bryan Kohberger 422 00:22:41,931 --> 00:22:45,379 was arrested in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. 423 00:22:45,413 --> 00:22:47,034 Bryan! 424 00:22:47,068 --> 00:22:51,034 At the time, his attorney said Kohberger looked forward 425 00:22:51,068 --> 00:22:53,517 to being exonerated. 426 00:22:53,551 --> 00:22:55,172 What goes through your mind when you see 427 00:22:55,206 --> 00:22:57,448 the face of the alleged killer? 428 00:22:57,482 --> 00:23:00,103 Oh, I wonder, who is this? 429 00:23:00,137 --> 00:23:01,206 Why? 430 00:23:01,241 --> 00:23:02,965 I never heard of the person before. 431 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,965 It still is confusing why. 432 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,551 At this point, the families knew as much about Kohberger 433 00:23:08,586 --> 00:23:13,034 as the public did, a PhD candidate studying criminology 434 00:23:13,068 --> 00:23:15,689 just 10 miles away, at Washington State 435 00:23:15,724 --> 00:23:18,724 University in Pullman. 436 00:23:18,758 --> 00:23:22,862 I remember thinking, I only have a few minutes 437 00:23:22,896 --> 00:23:25,965 to look up this individual and to try 438 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,275 to get any credible information before things 439 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:31,517 start getting wonky. 440 00:23:31,551 --> 00:23:35,793 Some of Olivia Goncalves's online discoveries of Kohberger 441 00:23:35,827 --> 00:23:37,655 made her uneasy. 442 00:23:37,689 --> 00:23:40,551 He had made a few posts on Reddit 443 00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:44,068 in which he was conducting-- it seems 444 00:23:44,103 --> 00:23:48,448 like a questionnaire to people in prison or jail 445 00:23:48,482 --> 00:23:50,000 who had committed crimes. 446 00:23:50,034 --> 00:23:53,793 How did you pick your victim or your target? 447 00:23:53,827 --> 00:23:57,448 For seven weeks, the families and the country 448 00:23:57,482 --> 00:24:00,896 were left wondering. 449 00:24:00,931 --> 00:24:04,137 I think, for this type of an investigation, 450 00:24:04,172 --> 00:24:06,724 47 days is actually quick. 451 00:24:06,758 --> 00:24:10,689 Criminologist and CBS News consultant Bryanna Fox 452 00:24:10,724 --> 00:24:15,862 says the Moscow police kept things moving, starting 453 00:24:15,896 --> 00:24:18,758 with a video canvas, which produced footage 454 00:24:18,793 --> 00:24:23,758 from those early morning hours showing a white car making 455 00:24:23,793 --> 00:24:29,413 three passes by the girls' house starting around 3:30 AM. 456 00:24:29,448 --> 00:24:32,379 Less than an hour later, investigators say, 457 00:24:32,413 --> 00:24:35,965 the killer struck. 458 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,310 They noticed that this car approached 459 00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:43,517 King Road, left, came back, almost did a U-turn, 460 00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:47,310 finally went there around 4:06 in the morning. 461 00:24:47,344 --> 00:24:54,758 And that car then departed in about 25 minutes and sped off. 462 00:24:54,793 --> 00:24:58,413 Multiple surveillance cameras then captured that white car 463 00:24:58,448 --> 00:25:02,586 as it traveled what appeared to be a less direct route back 464 00:25:02,620 --> 00:25:08,034 to Pullman, Washington, arriving around 5:30 AM. 465 00:25:08,068 --> 00:25:12,344 That information helped investigators identify the make 466 00:25:12,379 --> 00:25:14,620 and model of the vehicle. 467 00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:20,034 And we're looking for a 2011 to a 2013 Hyundai Elantra. 468 00:25:20,068 --> 00:25:24,137 Washington State Police find the car parked 469 00:25:24,172 --> 00:25:26,068 outside graduate housing. 470 00:25:26,103 --> 00:25:27,724 They get the license plate, and they 471 00:25:27,758 --> 00:25:29,655 get Bryan Kohberger's name. 472 00:25:29,689 --> 00:25:31,620 They then get the driver's license, 473 00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:34,448 and they see the bushy eyebrows that, 474 00:25:34,482 --> 00:25:37,275 in the eyes of one of the Moscow detectives, 475 00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:39,793 must be the eyebrows of the killer. 476 00:25:39,827 --> 00:25:42,517 Now armed with a warrant, investigators 477 00:25:42,551 --> 00:25:46,000 retrieved cell tower data from that morning, 478 00:25:46,034 --> 00:25:51,482 which captured Kohberger's phone around 2:47 AM in Pullman, 479 00:25:51,517 --> 00:25:54,793 when it suddenly stopped connecting to the network. 480 00:25:54,827 --> 00:25:57,827 According to the affidavit, this was also 481 00:25:57,862 --> 00:26:01,482 around the time cameras caught a white Elantra 482 00:26:01,517 --> 00:26:04,310 leaving his apartment complex. 483 00:26:04,344 --> 00:26:06,310 There was indication that he turned off 484 00:26:06,344 --> 00:26:09,137 his cell phone, which is something that a lot of people 485 00:26:09,172 --> 00:26:11,827 do when they want to avoid law enforcement knowing 486 00:26:11,862 --> 00:26:13,034 their whereabouts. 487 00:26:13,068 --> 00:26:16,896 His cell phone signal was picked up again two hours 488 00:26:16,931 --> 00:26:20,413 later south of Moscow as it traveled back 489 00:26:20,448 --> 00:26:22,620 toward his apartment building. 490 00:26:22,655 --> 00:26:25,448 The affidavit described a deeper dive 491 00:26:25,482 --> 00:26:27,793 into Kohberger's phone history that 492 00:26:27,827 --> 00:26:31,965 revealed this was a familiar neighborhood to him, going back 493 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,241 several months. 494 00:26:33,275 --> 00:26:37,413 Cell phone records indicated that he has traveled past 495 00:26:37,448 --> 00:26:40,103 and was very near the vicinity of this crime scene 496 00:26:40,137 --> 00:26:42,034 on 12 separate occasions. 497 00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:47,172 And towers actually captured a 13th trip just hours 498 00:26:47,206 --> 00:26:48,586 after the murders. 499 00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:51,000 Anecdotally, a lot of killers, they 500 00:26:51,034 --> 00:26:53,827 like revisiting the memory of the crime. 501 00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:54,655 I won. 502 00:26:54,689 --> 00:26:56,137 I was able to get away with this, 503 00:26:56,172 --> 00:26:57,586 and you guys won't catch me. 504 00:26:57,620 --> 00:27:01,068 But they had one secret weapon to make their case. 505 00:27:01,103 --> 00:27:02,793 They had the knife sheath. 506 00:27:02,827 --> 00:27:06,068 And there was a microscopic spot of DNA on this. 507 00:27:06,103 --> 00:27:09,448 Could they tie this DNA to Kohberger? 508 00:27:09,482 --> 00:27:12,000 According to the affidavit, the DNA 509 00:27:12,034 --> 00:27:14,965 was found "on the button snap of the sheath." 510 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,517 But when investigators ran it through the national database, 511 00:27:18,551 --> 00:27:20,793 there were no matches. 512 00:27:20,827 --> 00:27:23,379 It's unclear if Bryan Kohberger knew 513 00:27:23,413 --> 00:27:26,655 law enforcement was watching when he left Washington 514 00:27:26,689 --> 00:27:27,965 in mid-December. 515 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,896 Kohberger and his father, who had flown in from Pennsylvania, 516 00:27:31,931 --> 00:27:35,724 drove back home together in his white Elantra. 517 00:27:35,758 --> 00:27:38,482 Kohberger, from what I've heard, tells the father 518 00:27:38,517 --> 00:27:40,586 that he's in trouble with his job. 519 00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:42,379 He's concerned enough about his son 520 00:27:42,413 --> 00:27:44,965 to want to make the drive back with him. 521 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,241 On the 2,500-mile journey from Washington, 522 00:27:48,275 --> 00:27:52,482 they are stopped twice for traffic violations. 523 00:27:52,517 --> 00:27:53,896 Hello. 524 00:27:53,931 --> 00:27:56,827 What's also interesting is Kohberger's reaction 525 00:27:56,862 --> 00:27:58,103 to the police. 526 00:27:58,137 --> 00:27:59,034 Is this your car? 527 00:27:59,068 --> 00:27:59,517 Yes, sir. 528 00:27:59,551 --> 00:28:01,000 OK. 529 00:28:01,034 --> 00:28:03,413 He's pretty calm and cool. 530 00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:07,275 Father and son made it home to Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, 531 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:12,448 where Blum says investigators initiated a stealth operation. 532 00:28:12,482 --> 00:28:16,413 What they did is they sent a team of Pennsylvania state 533 00:28:16,448 --> 00:28:19,551 troopers to Kohberger's family's house. 534 00:28:19,586 --> 00:28:23,241 Law enforcement recovered Kohberger's father's DNA 535 00:28:23,275 --> 00:28:26,344 from the trash outside their home, which 536 00:28:26,379 --> 00:28:29,241 tested as a high probability it was 537 00:28:29,275 --> 00:28:34,862 the biological father of whoever left DNA on the knife sheath. 538 00:28:34,896 --> 00:28:37,206 So that was the eureka moment which 539 00:28:37,241 --> 00:28:39,448 they decided they could get an arrest warrant. 540 00:28:39,482 --> 00:28:41,724 At that point, they made the arrest of Bryan Kohberger. 541 00:28:41,758 --> 00:28:44,068 And they got a separate-- essentially a search warrant 542 00:28:44,103 --> 00:28:45,310 for his DNA. 543 00:28:45,344 --> 00:28:49,103 And when investigators compared his DNA to the DNA 544 00:28:49,137 --> 00:28:53,482 on the knife sheath, they say it was a statistical match, 545 00:28:53,517 --> 00:28:58,896 at least 5.37 octillion times more likely to be 546 00:28:58,931 --> 00:29:01,482 Kohberger's than anyone else. 547 00:29:09,344 --> 00:29:12,310 [TENSE MUSIC] 548 00:29:12,344 --> 00:29:14,413 Where you sit today, are you certain 549 00:29:14,448 --> 00:29:16,724 that Bryan Kohberger is the killer? 550 00:29:16,758 --> 00:29:18,448 With what you know. 551 00:29:18,482 --> 00:29:20,620 I don't trust anybody or anything. 552 00:29:20,655 --> 00:29:21,965 So I have to see it myself. 553 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000 I have to see everything. 554 00:29:25,034 --> 00:29:28,137 As the months passed, Steve and Kristi Goncalves 555 00:29:28,172 --> 00:29:31,448 remain a united front in wanting justice. 556 00:29:31,482 --> 00:29:35,034 But their weight has brought different perspectives. 557 00:29:35,068 --> 00:29:37,689 Your mind is still open to the potential 558 00:29:37,724 --> 00:29:39,206 that it could have been someone else? 559 00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:40,517 Of course, yup. 560 00:29:40,551 --> 00:29:42,034 I go into that 100%. 561 00:29:42,068 --> 00:29:43,000 Yup, of course. 562 00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:48,034 That's not where you are. 563 00:29:48,068 --> 00:29:49,103 No. 564 00:29:49,137 --> 00:29:51,758 Yeah, that's fine. 565 00:29:51,793 --> 00:29:54,793 I don't think there's any slam dunk. 566 00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:58,896 Criminologist Bryanna Fox says, with the gag order in place, 567 00:29:58,931 --> 00:30:03,344 any hint of Kohberger's defense has come from court documents. 568 00:30:03,379 --> 00:30:05,034 It seems that the defense is alleging 569 00:30:05,068 --> 00:30:06,551 there was a rush to judgment. 570 00:30:06,586 --> 00:30:08,379 Law enforcement made an arrest too fast, 571 00:30:08,413 --> 00:30:12,241 and they focused on their client too quickly. 572 00:30:12,275 --> 00:30:15,413 A defense filing did reveal Kohberger's alibi 573 00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:16,896 for the night of the murders. 574 00:30:16,931 --> 00:30:21,827 It simply stated, "Mr. Kohberger was out driving alone." 575 00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:24,275 The defense is not necessarily having 576 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:25,758 to prove that he's innocent. 577 00:30:25,793 --> 00:30:27,172 They just have to raise doubt. 578 00:30:27,206 --> 00:30:30,241 Both Fox and Howard Blum think the defense 579 00:30:30,275 --> 00:30:33,724 can find ways to poke holes in the prosecution's 580 00:30:33,758 --> 00:30:37,068 case, challenging some of the key evidence presented 581 00:30:37,103 --> 00:30:41,034 in the affidavit, including the cell phone location 582 00:30:41,068 --> 00:30:43,931 data and the white Elantra. 583 00:30:43,965 --> 00:30:47,620 There's other concerns, such as whether Bryan Kohberger's car 584 00:30:47,655 --> 00:30:50,275 was accurately identified at the onset 585 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:52,275 or if that was revised after knowing 586 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:53,689 what Bryan Kohberger drove. 587 00:30:53,724 --> 00:30:57,241 The cell phone data makes one suspicious of Kohberger, 588 00:30:57,275 --> 00:30:59,586 but it's not convincing. 589 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:03,000 It's not putting someone at someone's doorstep. 590 00:31:03,034 --> 00:31:06,689 It's putting someone in someone's neighborhood. 591 00:31:06,724 --> 00:31:11,034 If you can raise doubts about the validity 592 00:31:11,068 --> 00:31:14,000 and the accuracy of the cell phone data, 593 00:31:14,034 --> 00:31:16,689 I think you're halfway there to getting 594 00:31:16,724 --> 00:31:19,620 the case against Kohberger either a hung 595 00:31:19,655 --> 00:31:23,000 jury or a not guilty verdict. 596 00:31:23,034 --> 00:31:26,275 And there's more, according to the defense. 597 00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:29,655 That there is no DNA or forensic evidence 598 00:31:29,689 --> 00:31:35,206 found from the crime scene at the apartment, car, office, 599 00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:37,206 or on Bryan Kohberger's person. 600 00:31:37,241 --> 00:31:39,655 So they were basically alleging, how 601 00:31:39,689 --> 00:31:42,172 could he have committed such a brutal murder 602 00:31:42,206 --> 00:31:45,655 and yet have no evidence found on him of that? 603 00:31:45,689 --> 00:31:48,206 After consulting their own investigators, 604 00:31:48,241 --> 00:31:51,758 Kristi and Steve theorize that Kohberger likely 605 00:31:51,793 --> 00:31:54,793 brought what they call a kill kit with him. 606 00:31:54,827 --> 00:31:57,241 What do you mean by a kill kit? 607 00:31:57,275 --> 00:31:58,793 I think he had a backpack. 608 00:31:58,827 --> 00:31:59,965 A change of clothes. 609 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,103 We don't know if it was coveralls, pants. 610 00:32:02,137 --> 00:32:04,965 We don't know. 611 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,551 A defense filing also claimed the presence 612 00:32:07,586 --> 00:32:13,103 of other unidentified male DNA was found on the premises. 613 00:32:13,137 --> 00:32:16,862 Three separate and distinct male DNA profiles 614 00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:18,965 were found from the crime scene. 615 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,655 Two were inside the house. 616 00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:22,931 One was outside on a glove. 617 00:32:22,965 --> 00:32:25,413 The defense wants to know, who are these people? 618 00:32:25,448 --> 00:32:29,068 And what role could they have played in this whole story? 619 00:32:29,103 --> 00:32:31,827 So what the defense is doing now is 620 00:32:31,862 --> 00:32:37,137 trying to look for other narratives that make sense. 621 00:32:37,172 --> 00:32:40,896 Howard Blum has written extensively about this case, 622 00:32:40,931 --> 00:32:44,241 including a piece on a possible alternative defense 623 00:32:44,275 --> 00:32:46,586 theory involving drugs. 624 00:32:46,620 --> 00:32:49,172 Maybe someone had reneged on a drug payment, 625 00:32:49,206 --> 00:32:52,965 and this was a retribution of vengeance for people 626 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,482 not paying for drugs they had ordered. 627 00:32:55,517 --> 00:32:58,206 I want you guys to respond to one thing that's 628 00:32:58,241 --> 00:33:02,448 out there, because speculation that somehow drugs 629 00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:04,965 were involved in this attack. 630 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,793 That's just Hollywood nonsense. 631 00:33:06,827 --> 00:33:09,931 I just dismissed that because I understand 632 00:33:09,965 --> 00:33:13,310 our society wants to believe in some of these movies 633 00:33:13,344 --> 00:33:14,827 that they watch. 634 00:33:14,862 --> 00:33:16,551 They don't have these crazy lives 635 00:33:16,586 --> 00:33:20,103 where they're crossing paths with people like that. 636 00:33:20,137 --> 00:33:23,517 That storyline of it being drugs gives people 637 00:33:23,551 --> 00:33:25,137 a reason to think why it happened 638 00:33:25,172 --> 00:33:27,068 because nobody knows why. 639 00:33:27,103 --> 00:33:28,862 And the reason I think it happened 640 00:33:28,896 --> 00:33:30,655 is because he wanted to. 641 00:33:30,689 --> 00:33:32,068 That's what he wanted to do. 642 00:33:32,103 --> 00:33:33,724 He wanted to commit a murder. 643 00:33:33,758 --> 00:33:36,482 Bryan Kohberger's defense attorneys argue, 644 00:33:36,517 --> 00:33:39,586 there's a lack of evidence linking their client 645 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:40,862 to the students. 646 00:33:40,896 --> 00:33:44,103 The defense is claiming that the defendant, Bryan Kohberger, 647 00:33:44,137 --> 00:33:46,793 and the victims have absolutely no connection. 648 00:33:46,827 --> 00:33:48,068 There's no motive. 649 00:33:48,103 --> 00:33:51,724 In the minutes after Bryan Kohberger was publicly named, 650 00:33:51,758 --> 00:33:54,793 the Goncalves family went online. 651 00:33:54,827 --> 00:33:56,724 They just told us the name, and we immediately 652 00:33:56,758 --> 00:33:58,586 started googling. 653 00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:01,620 They believe they had found a possible connection 654 00:34:01,655 --> 00:34:04,448 through Instagram and immediately took 655 00:34:04,482 --> 00:34:06,344 these screenshots. 656 00:34:06,379 --> 00:34:08,585 From our investigation of the account, 657 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:12,310 it appeared to be the real Bryan Kohberger account. 658 00:34:12,344 --> 00:34:14,206 Among the people this account was 659 00:34:14,241 --> 00:34:18,034 following were Maddie Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves, 660 00:34:18,068 --> 00:34:22,034 in addition to several people with the name Kohberger. 661 00:34:22,068 --> 00:34:23,585 But when we looked through theirs, 662 00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:26,516 it appeared to have other family members that 663 00:34:26,551 --> 00:34:28,034 were related to him. 664 00:34:28,068 --> 00:34:31,206 At first, Steve, who works in it, 665 00:34:31,241 --> 00:34:35,241 was skeptical, thinking someone created a fake account 666 00:34:35,275 --> 00:34:38,103 immediately following Kohberger's arrest. 667 00:34:38,137 --> 00:34:40,137 But according to the family, they 668 00:34:40,172 --> 00:34:43,034 uncovered more possible connections. 669 00:34:43,068 --> 00:34:45,931 You would go to Maddie's Instagram account 670 00:34:45,965 --> 00:34:49,275 and look at her pictures, and he liked them. 671 00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:51,862 Bryan's name was under a lot of Maddie's pictures, 672 00:34:51,896 --> 00:34:53,275 liked that picture and that picture 673 00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:54,724 and that picture and that picture. 674 00:34:54,757 --> 00:34:59,034 So he was actively looking at the Instagram account. 675 00:34:59,068 --> 00:35:01,172 And the importance of that is what? 676 00:35:01,206 --> 00:35:02,310 That he was-- 677 00:35:02,344 --> 00:35:04,379 There's digital evidence that this particular account 678 00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:08,482 had some type of connection with the victims. 679 00:35:08,517 --> 00:35:12,965 48 Hours has not confirmed the authenticity of this account, 680 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,586 which has since been deleted. 681 00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:19,000 And the gag order prevents investigators from commenting. 682 00:35:21,724 --> 00:35:25,482 After dedicating months looking for their own answers, 683 00:35:25,517 --> 00:35:30,068 the Goncalveses say they are mentally prepared for trial 684 00:35:30,103 --> 00:35:32,241 no matter when it begins. 685 00:35:32,275 --> 00:35:33,862 I think he's done. 686 00:35:33,896 --> 00:35:36,413 He's going to feel all of us just staring 687 00:35:36,448 --> 00:35:37,655 at the back of his head. 688 00:35:37,689 --> 00:35:39,931 And he's going to know that we are the Goncalves family. 689 00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:41,931 And he knows what he did to our daughter. 690 00:35:56,068 --> 00:36:03,034 [TENSE MUSIC] 691 00:36:03,068 --> 00:36:06,103 How could this happen to a group of kids 692 00:36:06,137 --> 00:36:11,413 that are doing everything the way they're supposed to do? 693 00:36:11,448 --> 00:36:16,275 To not know is what keeps you awake at night. 694 00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:18,379 And it's every day, all day. 695 00:36:18,413 --> 00:36:20,275 It never stops. 696 00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:20,793 Why? 697 00:36:20,827 --> 00:36:21,172 Why? 698 00:36:21,206 --> 00:36:21,689 Why? 699 00:36:21,724 --> 00:36:23,827 There is no why. 700 00:36:23,862 --> 00:36:26,379 It is as unexplainable today as it 701 00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:31,551 was the day Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, Xana Kernodle, 702 00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:35,758 and Ethan Chapin were murdered. 703 00:36:35,793 --> 00:36:39,172 I wish we knew. 704 00:36:39,206 --> 00:36:42,827 All four of them were just such great people 705 00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:48,413 and made such an impact on the lives around them. 706 00:36:48,448 --> 00:36:51,896 For now, the families are left with thoughts 707 00:36:51,931 --> 00:36:54,482 of what might have been. 708 00:36:54,517 --> 00:36:57,620 [SOMBER MUSIC] 709 00:36:57,655 --> 00:37:01,413 Kaylee Jade Goncalves has been recommended to receive 710 00:37:01,448 --> 00:37:04,344 a posthumous bachelor's degree. 711 00:37:04,379 --> 00:37:06,689 Her family will receive the diploma 712 00:37:06,724 --> 00:37:08,379 of the University of Idaho. 713 00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:14,965 On May 13, 2023, exactly six months 714 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,448 from the day of the murders, an occasion that 715 00:37:17,482 --> 00:37:21,103 would have been a cause for celebration, graduation, 716 00:37:21,137 --> 00:37:26,758 was instead another reminder of what was lost. 717 00:37:26,793 --> 00:37:30,241 Seeing all those graduation photos, it just-- 718 00:37:30,275 --> 00:37:33,655 they should be here. 719 00:37:33,689 --> 00:37:39,724 Graduation is just one of many milestones that will be missed. 720 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:41,655 She would have been my maid of honor, 721 00:37:41,689 --> 00:37:43,275 and I probably would have been hers. 722 00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:47,068 And it's like sad to have to go through those life 723 00:37:47,103 --> 00:37:48,241 moments without her. 724 00:37:50,965 --> 00:37:53,448 Jazzmin Kernodle planned to work side 725 00:37:53,482 --> 00:37:57,517 by side with her sister Xana, creating their own marketing 726 00:37:57,551 --> 00:38:00,241 business. 727 00:38:00,275 --> 00:38:01,655 It's just not the same without her 728 00:38:01,689 --> 00:38:05,827 because she just brought such a crazy, different energy 729 00:38:05,862 --> 00:38:09,379 than anybody else I've ever met. 730 00:38:09,413 --> 00:38:12,482 Kaylee Goncalves's future was in sight. 731 00:38:12,517 --> 00:38:17,000 She had accepted a job in Austin working for an IT firm. 732 00:38:17,034 --> 00:38:20,137 Kaylee not only pushed herself, say her parents, 733 00:38:20,172 --> 00:38:22,206 but pushed them. 734 00:38:22,241 --> 00:38:25,310 We lost that person that would force us to make new memories 735 00:38:25,344 --> 00:38:29,275 and force us to go and take on something that seems 736 00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:30,827 a little daunting at first. 737 00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:31,517 One of you guys-- 738 00:38:31,551 --> 00:38:32,448 Guys-- 739 00:38:32,482 --> 00:38:35,310 For the Goncalveses, amid all the loss, 740 00:38:35,344 --> 00:38:39,620 there was an addition to the family when in February, Olivia 741 00:38:39,655 --> 00:38:42,413 gave birth to a baby girl. 742 00:38:42,448 --> 00:38:46,103 So her name is Theodora MaddieKay. 743 00:38:46,137 --> 00:38:49,482 Obviously, MaddieKay is after Maddie and Kaylee. 744 00:38:49,517 --> 00:38:52,310 And if one were to believe in signs, 745 00:38:52,344 --> 00:38:56,620 there were, says Olivia, several with Theodora MaddieKay's 746 00:38:56,655 --> 00:38:57,724 arrival. 747 00:38:57,758 --> 00:39:01,620 In the hospital, her room number, 1113, 748 00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:06,034 was the same as the date of the murders, November 13. 749 00:39:06,068 --> 00:39:12,172 And eerily, the time of birth, 4:21 AM, is in the time frame 750 00:39:12,206 --> 00:39:17,172 that Kaylee and Maddie are believed to have been killed. 751 00:39:17,206 --> 00:39:21,241 To have birth and life and firsts, first giggles, 752 00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:26,034 first walks, that they would be there somehow, 753 00:39:26,068 --> 00:39:28,034 even if it's just a namesake. 754 00:39:30,724 --> 00:39:32,275 This is the Goncalves family. 755 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:35,103 Maddie has truly been a blessing in our lives. 756 00:39:35,137 --> 00:39:36,655 I'm Xana's sister. 757 00:39:36,689 --> 00:39:41,137 The families of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan 758 00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:44,137 have all searched for ways, sometimes 759 00:39:44,172 --> 00:39:48,448 together, to cope with a horrible new normal. 760 00:39:48,482 --> 00:39:50,551 We all are always going to be there for each other. 761 00:39:50,586 --> 00:39:54,620 And it's just difficult. We're all going through it 762 00:39:54,655 --> 00:39:56,965 in our own ways. 763 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,551 For Ethan's parents, Stacy and Jim Chapin, one way of coping 764 00:40:01,586 --> 00:40:05,551 involves creating a foundation, Ethan's Smile-- 765 00:40:05,586 --> 00:40:07,034 Ethan just had a great smile. 766 00:40:07,068 --> 00:40:09,068 He smiled all the time. 767 00:40:09,103 --> 00:40:12,448 --raising money for scholarships by selling tulips 768 00:40:12,482 --> 00:40:17,896 planted in honor of Ethan, who had worked at a tulip farm. 769 00:40:17,931 --> 00:40:20,517 So Ethan will live on through the foundation. 770 00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:24,965 That's what motivates us to do this. 771 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,103 How do you live with this, Jeff? 772 00:40:27,137 --> 00:40:27,793 It's not easy. 773 00:40:31,931 --> 00:40:34,655 You just got to keep going. 774 00:40:34,689 --> 00:40:39,241 I think just living our lives like Xana would want us to. 775 00:40:39,275 --> 00:40:42,482 I know that she would want us to talk about the life 776 00:40:42,517 --> 00:40:47,758 that she lived and to be her voice right now. 777 00:40:47,793 --> 00:40:51,551 She had a beautiful smile, her and Maddie. 778 00:40:51,586 --> 00:40:55,034 The memories that we shared, we don't do it lightly. 779 00:40:55,068 --> 00:40:58,172 Because they are very private memories, and sometimes 780 00:40:58,206 --> 00:41:01,827 it feels like I'm giving away a part of them. 781 00:41:01,862 --> 00:41:06,344 But I do it for the importance to realize how great of a loss 782 00:41:06,379 --> 00:41:13,241 it is because nothing's going to bring them back. 783 00:41:13,275 --> 00:41:16,758 [SOMBER MUSIC] 784 00:41:39,586 --> 00:41:41,896 Married to Death-- one of 48 Hours 785 00:41:41,931 --> 00:41:44,931 correspondent Erin Moriarty's most controversial cases. 786 00:41:44,965 --> 00:41:46,448 Her two husbands, dead. 787 00:41:46,482 --> 00:41:48,068 Was this widow a killer? 788 00:41:48,103 --> 00:41:52,137 Her final trial, listen to the original 48 Hours podcast, now 789 00:41:52,172 --> 00:41:54,275 available wherever you get your podcasts. 790 00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:57,689 [AUDIO LOGO]