1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,633 * 2 00:00:24,767 --> 00:00:25,333 >>> THANK YOU. 3 00:00:25,333 --> 00:00:26,367 PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. 4 00:00:26,367 --> 00:00:27,667 IF YOU ARE SATISFIED BEYOND A 5 00:00:27,667 --> 00:00:29,067 REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE 6 00:00:29,067 --> 00:00:31,167 DEFENDANT CAUSED THE DEATH OF 7 00:00:31,167 --> 00:00:32,633 LYNN HERNAN WITH THE INTENT TO 8 00:00:32,633 --> 00:00:34,233 KILL, YOU SHOULD FIND THE 9 00:00:34,233 --> 00:00:37,267 DEFENDANT GUILTY OF FIRST DEGREE 10 00:00:37,267 --> 00:00:38,300 INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE. 11 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:41,133 IF YOU ARE NOT SO SATISFIED, YOU 12 00:00:41,133 --> 00:00:43,167 MUST FIND THE DEFENDANT NOT 13 00:00:43,167 --> 00:00:47,667 GUILTY. 14 00:00:47,667 --> 00:00:49,100 >> LYNN HERNAN IS NOT HERE TO 15 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:50,767 TELL YOU WHAT WENT ON. 16 00:00:50,767 --> 00:00:53,533 >> WE WERE DISPATCHED TO A 17 00:00:53,533 --> 00:00:53,833 SUICIDE. 18 00:00:53,833 --> 00:00:56,200 A FEMALE HAD LOCATED HER FRIEND 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,300 DECEASED IN A RESIDENCE. 20 00:00:57,300 --> 00:00:58,833 >> IT WAS IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS 21 00:00:58,833 --> 00:01:01,067 THAT THE DESEEDENT WAS THERE IN 22 00:01:01,067 --> 00:01:03,300 A RECLINER. 23 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:04,833 SHE HAS MULTIPLE MEDICATION 24 00:01:04,833 --> 00:01:07,967 BOTTLES WITHIN ARM'S REACH. 25 00:01:07,967 --> 00:01:10,500 SHE HAS IT ON HER CARPET AND IT 26 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:12,667 APPEARS TO BE AN UNKNOWN POWDERY 27 00:01:12,667 --> 00:01:13,900 SUBSTANCE LEFT BEHIND ON A 28 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:14,167 PLATE. 29 00:01:14,167 --> 00:01:16,233 >> I RECEIVED A WITNESS 30 00:01:16,233 --> 00:01:17,867 STATEMENT FROM JESSY. 31 00:01:17,867 --> 00:01:19,300 FROM WHAT I KNEW SHE WAS THE 32 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:21,067 CARE TAKER OF THE INDIVIDUAL. 33 00:01:21,067 --> 00:01:22,900 >> SHE TOOK CARE OF LYNN DURING 34 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:26,333 THE LAST YEAR OF LYNN'S LIFE. 35 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:27,367 JESSY WAS LIKE AN ADOPTED 36 00:01:27,367 --> 00:01:29,833 DAUGHTER TO LYNN SO JESSY AND 37 00:01:29,833 --> 00:01:32,200 LYNN WERE VERY CLOSE. 38 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,267 >> LYNN WAS REALLY SICK AND 39 00:01:34,267 --> 00:01:34,533 DEPRESSED. 40 00:01:34,533 --> 00:01:35,833 >> LYNN STARTED SUFFERING FROM 41 00:01:35,833 --> 00:01:37,767 HEALTH ISSUES THAT WERE 42 00:01:37,767 --> 00:01:38,067 UNEXPLAINED. 43 00:01:38,067 --> 00:01:40,233 SHE WAS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE 44 00:01:40,233 --> 00:01:41,200 HOSPITAL BUT DOCTORS COULDN'T 45 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,767 FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS THAT WAS 46 00:01:44,767 --> 00:01:45,333 AILING LYNN. 47 00:01:45,333 --> 00:01:47,567 >> SHE WAS GOING TO DOCTOR AFTER 48 00:01:47,567 --> 00:01:50,233 DOCTOR AND THEN SHE WOULD CALL 49 00:01:50,233 --> 00:01:51,433 ME AND SAY, THEY CAN'T FIND 50 00:01:51,433 --> 00:01:52,500 ANYTHING WRONG WITH ME. 51 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:54,366 >> THE DEFENSE ARGUED THAT LYNN 52 00:01:54,366 --> 00:01:55,933 WANTED TO DIE BY SUICIDE BECAUSE 53 00:01:55,933 --> 00:01:58,067 SHE WAS SICK OF BEING SICK. 54 00:01:58,067 --> 00:02:00,267 >> I REMEMBER HEARING IT FROM 55 00:02:00,267 --> 00:02:01,267 JESSY ON THE PHONE. 56 00:02:01,267 --> 00:02:05,900 IT LOOKS LIKE LYNN COMMITTED 57 00:02:05,900 --> 00:02:06,167 SUICIDE. 58 00:02:06,167 --> 00:02:08,900 >> WHEN YOU HEARD YOUR AUNTIE 59 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:10,567 LYNNIE DIED BY SUICIDE, DID YOU 60 00:02:10,567 --> 00:02:11,400 BELIEVE THAT? 61 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,967 >> I WASN'T REALLY SURE AT THE 62 00:02:12,967 --> 00:02:14,533 TIME WHAT TO BELIEVE. 63 00:02:14,533 --> 00:02:18,600 I JUST COULDN'T SEE HER ENDING 64 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,667 HER OWN LIFE. 65 00:02:19,667 --> 00:02:21,167 >> SHE WANTS TO DIE. 66 00:02:21,167 --> 00:02:23,533 SHE DOESN'T LIKE LIFE. 67 00:02:23,533 --> 00:02:28,233 >> THE SPECULATIONS AT THE TIME 68 00:02:28,233 --> 00:02:29,767 ON LAW ENFORCEMENT'S BEHALF WAS 69 00:02:29,767 --> 00:02:32,800 THAT THIS WAS CLEARLY A SUICIDE. 70 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,867 >> YOU RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM 71 00:02:33,867 --> 00:02:36,067 THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. 72 00:02:36,067 --> 00:02:37,300 DID THAT CAUSE THE SHERIFF'S 73 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:38,800 OFFICE TO CHANGE THEIR 74 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,867 INVESTIGATION? 75 00:02:39,867 --> 00:02:40,700 >> YES. 76 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:44,466 >> THERE WAS A SUBSTANCE THAT 77 00:02:44,466 --> 00:02:45,533 WAS UNUSUAL. 78 00:02:45,533 --> 00:02:49,533 >> THE MEDICAL EXAMINER FOUND 79 00:02:49,533 --> 00:02:50,867 TETRAHYDROZOLINE IN LYNN 80 00:02:50,867 --> 00:02:51,867 HERNAN'S SYSTEM. 81 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:53,400 IT IS THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN 82 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,567 HI EYEDROPS THAT WHEN INGESTED 83 00:02:56,567 --> 00:02:58,300 CAN BE FATAL. 84 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:00,367 >> MY OPINION IS THAT LYNN 85 00:03:00,367 --> 00:03:02,967 HERNAN DIED OF TETRAHYDROZOLINE 86 00:03:02,967 --> 00:03:03,267 POISONING. 87 00:03:03,267 --> 00:03:05,233 >> WHAT ABOUT THE MANNER OF 88 00:03:05,233 --> 00:03:05,433 DEATH? 89 00:03:05,433 --> 00:03:07,167 >> IT'S HOMICIDE. 90 00:03:07,167 --> 00:03:09,200 >> THE KILLER IS THE EYEDROPS. 91 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,333 >> ARE YOU SERIOUS? 92 00:03:10,333 --> 00:03:12,067 DO YOU THINK I MURDERED HER? 93 00:03:12,067 --> 00:03:12,633 >> DID YOU? 94 00:03:12,633 --> 00:03:14,667 >> I SWEAR TO GOD I DIDN'T. 95 00:03:14,667 --> 00:03:17,600 >> IN JUNE 2021, JESSY 96 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:18,500 KURCZEWSKI WAS CHARGED WITH 97 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:19,800 FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL 98 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,067 HOMICIDE. 99 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:22,633 THE STATE ARGUED THAT LYNN 100 00:03:22,633 --> 00:03:26,100 HERNAN WAS WORTH MORE DEAD THAN 101 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:27,200 ALIVE TO JESSY KURCZEWSKI. 102 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,133 >> YOU WILL SEE THE ACCESS MISS 103 00:03:29,133 --> 00:03:30,833 KURCZEWSKI HAD TO LYNN HERNAN 104 00:03:30,833 --> 00:03:32,633 ALLOWED HER TO STEAL EVERY 105 00:03:32,633 --> 00:03:34,300 DOLLAR ALMOST THAT LYNN HERNAN 106 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:36,533 WAS WORTH IN LIFE. 107 00:03:36,533 --> 00:03:39,133 >> LYNN GAVE JESSY MONEY ALL THE 108 00:03:39,133 --> 00:03:40,833 TIME BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO. 109 00:03:40,833 --> 00:03:42,367 SHE WANTED JESSY TO HAVE IT. 110 00:03:42,367 --> 00:03:44,067 >> THIS IS NOT A SUICIDE. 111 00:03:44,067 --> 00:03:46,900 THIS WAS INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE. 112 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:49,466 >> LYNN LOVED JESSY. 113 00:03:49,466 --> 00:03:51,200 IF LYNN HERNAN WAS HERE TODAY, 114 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,300 SHE WOULD SAY, ARE YOU CRAZY? 115 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:57,133 PROSECUTION? 116 00:03:57,133 --> 00:04:00,367 JESSY IS INNOCENT. 117 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:06,267 * 118 00:04:53,133 --> 00:04:54,332 >>> THIS CASE MUST BE DECIDED BY 119 00:04:54,332 --> 00:04:56,733 YOU THE JURORS BASED ON THE 120 00:04:56,733 --> 00:04:57,267 EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN THE 121 00:04:57,267 --> 00:04:59,767 COURTROOM. 122 00:04:59,767 --> 00:05:04,233 YOU JURORS ARE THE JUDGES OF THE 123 00:05:04,233 --> 00:05:06,400 CREDIBILITY OF THE WITNESSES AND 124 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,333 THE WEIGHT OF THE EVIDENCE. 125 00:05:10,333 --> 00:05:13,567 >> IN OCTOBER OF 2023, IN THE 126 00:05:13,567 --> 00:05:21,067 COURTROOM OF JUDGE GENERAL 127 00:05:21,067 --> 00:05:22,767 DOROW, JESSY KURCZEWSKI WENT ON 128 00:05:22,767 --> 00:05:24,633 THE TRIAL FOR THE INTENTIONAL 129 00:05:24,633 --> 00:05:26,100 HOMICIDE OF LYNN HERNAN ALONG 130 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:27,667 WITH TWO COUNTS OF FELONY THEFT 131 00:05:27,667 --> 00:05:28,867 FOR STEALING FROM LYNN. 132 00:05:28,867 --> 00:05:30,633 SOMEONE WHO HAD ALWAYS THOUGHT 133 00:05:30,633 --> 00:05:33,600 OF JESSY AS A BELOVED FRIEND. 134 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,733 FIVE YEARS EARLIER, JESSY CALLED 135 00:05:35,733 --> 00:05:38,067 POLICE AND TOLD THEM SHE FOUND 136 00:05:38,067 --> 00:05:40,233 LYNN DEAD, SITTING IN HER 137 00:05:40,233 --> 00:05:41,533 RECLINER IN THE LIVING ROOM OF 138 00:05:41,533 --> 00:05:45,633 HER PEWAUKEE, WISCONSIN CONDO. 139 00:05:45,633 --> 00:05:46,900 JESSY HAD BEEN TAKING CARE OF 140 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:49,800 LYNN WHO HAD SERIOUS MEDICAL 141 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,067 PROBLEMS. 142 00:05:50,067 --> 00:05:51,933 >> THE LAWYERS WILL NOW MAKE 143 00:05:51,933 --> 00:05:53,600 THEIR OPENING STATEMENTS. 144 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,233 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. 145 00:05:55,233 --> 00:05:58,200 >> THE PROSECUTORS FOR WAUKESHA 146 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,100 CUNTY ARE DEPUTY DISTRICT ABBEY 147 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:03,567 NICKOLIE AND ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS 148 00:06:03,567 --> 00:06:05,767 JJ CRAWFORD AND RANDY 149 00:06:05,767 --> 00:06:06,067 SITZBERGER. 150 00:06:06,067 --> 00:06:09,900 >> SO THIS IS WISCONSIN VERSUS 151 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:10,300 JESSY KURCZEWSKI. 152 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,400 SAID OTHERWISE THIS IS A CASE OF 153 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,300 MURDER, GREED AND LIES. 154 00:06:13,300 --> 00:06:15,067 YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IN OR 155 00:06:15,067 --> 00:06:18,767 ABOUT OCTOBER 3rd, 2018, LYNN 156 00:06:18,767 --> 00:06:21,332 HERNAN BECAME WORTH MORE DEAD 157 00:06:21,332 --> 00:06:25,667 THAN ALIVE TO JESSY KURCZEWSKI. 158 00:06:25,667 --> 00:06:26,500 >> PROSECUTORS TOLD THE JURY 159 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:29,067 THAT THIS CASE WAS ABOUT SOMEONE 160 00:06:29,067 --> 00:06:30,800 WHO WANTED MONEY. 161 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,367 >> STEPHANIE RODRIGUEZ COVERED 162 00:06:32,367 --> 00:06:34,100 THE TRIAL FOR THE CBS AFFILIATE 163 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:36,332 IN MILWAUKEE. 164 00:06:36,332 --> 00:06:37,600 >> PROSECUTORS SAID THAT'S WHY 165 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,967 SHE WAS CARING FOR HER. 166 00:06:38,967 --> 00:06:41,500 NOT BECAUSE SHE GENUINELY CARED 167 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:42,767 BUT JESSY WANTED THE MONEY IN 168 00:06:42,767 --> 00:06:43,933 HER BANK ACCOUNT. 169 00:06:43,933 --> 00:06:45,967 >> BETWEEN JANUARY 16 AND 170 00:06:45,967 --> 00:06:48,267 OCTOBER 3 OF 2018, MISS 171 00:06:48,267 --> 00:06:52,133 KURCZEWSKI WAS ABLE TO STEAL 172 00:06:52,133 --> 00:06:53,267 $144,000 PLUS. 173 00:06:53,267 --> 00:06:54,967 >> THEN SHE WANTED LYNN DEAD TO 174 00:06:54,967 --> 00:06:57,267 GET THE MONEY FROM HER ESTATE. 175 00:06:57,267 --> 00:06:59,233 >> LYNN HERNAN WAS DEAD AT ONLY 176 00:06:59,233 --> 00:07:00,867 62 YEARS OLD FROM 177 00:07:00,867 --> 00:07:01,967 TETRAHYDROZOLINE POISONING AFTER 178 00:07:01,967 --> 00:07:04,433 THE DEFENDANT GAVE HER A BOTTLE 179 00:07:04,433 --> 00:07:06,400 LACED WITH VISINE EYEDROPS TO 180 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,633 DRINK. 181 00:07:07,633 --> 00:07:08,900 >> THE DEFENSE PRESENTED JESSY 182 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:10,800 AS A CLOSE FRIEND WHO TOOK CARE 183 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:11,900 OF LYNN. 184 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:13,667 WHO THEY CLAIMED WAS DEPRESSED 185 00:07:13,667 --> 00:07:15,433 ABOUT HER DECLINING HEALTH. 186 00:07:15,433 --> 00:07:18,367 >> THIS CASE IS EXTREMELY 187 00:07:18,367 --> 00:07:22,633 IMPORTANT TO JESSY. 188 00:07:22,633 --> 00:07:23,967 PRESUMED INNOCENT. 189 00:07:23,967 --> 00:07:25,167 DON'T EVER LET THAT THOUGHT 190 00:07:25,167 --> 00:07:26,667 LEAVE YOUR MIND. 191 00:07:26,667 --> 00:07:27,733 THAT SHE IS PRESUMED INNOCENT. 192 00:07:27,733 --> 00:07:30,167 >> AT TRIAL, JESSY WAS 193 00:07:30,167 --> 00:07:34,100 REPRESENTED BY DEFENSE ATTORNEYS 194 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:39,233 PABLO GALAVIZ AND DONNA KUCHEROV 195 00:07:39,233 --> 00:07:39,567 KUCHEROVLER. 196 00:07:39,567 --> 00:07:40,500 >> HERE'S A PICTURE. 197 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:41,332 HIGH SCHOOL. 198 00:07:41,332 --> 00:07:43,867 >> HE AT THE MENTION OF HER 199 00:07:43,867 --> 00:07:45,067 CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH LYNN -- 200 00:07:45,067 --> 00:07:46,133 >> THERE IS MY DAUGHTER. 201 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:47,067 SHE'S SO PROUD. 202 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:50,067 >> JESSY IMMEDIATELY TEARED UP. 203 00:07:50,067 --> 00:07:51,300 >> THAT'S WHO SHE IS TO HER. 204 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:52,300 HER DAUGHTER. 205 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:54,767 >> JESSY HAD KNOWN LYNN SINCE 206 00:07:54,767 --> 00:07:55,167 CHILDHOOD. 207 00:07:55,167 --> 00:07:57,300 THROUGH HER MOTHER, JENNIFER 208 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:57,533 FLOWER. 209 00:07:57,533 --> 00:07:59,767 >> JENNIFER IS LIKE HER BEST, 210 00:07:59,767 --> 00:08:01,400 BEST FRIEND. 211 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,567 AND JESSY BECAME HER BEST, BEST 212 00:08:03,567 --> 00:08:04,167 FRIEND. 213 00:08:04,167 --> 00:08:05,700 >> LYNN WHO WORKED MOST OF HER 214 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:07,967 LIFE AS A HAIRDRESSER NEVER 215 00:08:07,967 --> 00:08:09,333 MARRIED AND LIVED ALONE. 216 00:08:09,333 --> 00:08:11,733 THEN IN THE TWO YEARS BEFORE HER 217 00:08:11,733 --> 00:08:14,300 DEATH, HER HEALTH RAPIDLY 218 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:14,567 DECLINED. 219 00:08:14,567 --> 00:08:16,067 >> THERE WERE TIMES WHEN LYNN 220 00:08:16,067 --> 00:08:18,467 WOULD FALL IN HER HOME AND JESSY 221 00:08:18,467 --> 00:08:20,400 WOULD HAVE TO GO HELP HER GET 222 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:20,733 UP. 223 00:08:20,733 --> 00:08:22,967 >> LYNN ALSO HAD LUNG DISEASE, 224 00:08:22,967 --> 00:08:25,533 HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, AND SEVERE 225 00:08:25,533 --> 00:08:26,700 GASTROINTESTINAL ISSUES, WHICH 226 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:30,567 DOCTORS WERE NEVER ABLE TO FULLY 227 00:08:30,567 --> 00:08:31,067 DIAGNOSE. 228 00:08:31,067 --> 00:08:33,567 SHE HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE 229 00:08:33,567 --> 00:08:34,933 HOSPITAL SEVERAL TIMES IN THE 230 00:08:34,933 --> 00:08:37,366 YEAR BEFORE SHE DIED. 231 00:08:37,366 --> 00:08:39,232 >> JESSY WAS ALWAYS WITH LYNN 232 00:08:39,232 --> 00:08:41,100 BECAUSE SHE BECAME HER FULL-TIME 233 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:43,100 CARE TAKER, ESSENTIALLY. 234 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:44,400 JESSY WOULD DO THE GROCERY 235 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,067 SHOPPING FOR LYNN. 236 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:48,100 JESSY PAID LYNN'S BILLS. 237 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:50,333 >> JESSY WAS THE ONLY PERSON SHE 238 00:08:50,333 --> 00:08:50,767 TRUSTS. 239 00:08:50,767 --> 00:08:52,867 >> THE DEFENSE TOLD THE JURY AS 240 00:08:52,867 --> 00:08:56,200 LYNN'S HEALTH FURTHER 241 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,300 DETERIORATED, SHE BECAME 242 00:08:57,300 --> 00:08:57,933 DESPONDE 243 00:08:57,933 --> 00:08:58,233 DESPONDENT. 244 00:08:58,233 --> 00:08:59,067 >> YOU SAW THE WAY SHE WAS DONE 245 00:08:59,067 --> 00:09:02,233 ONE THE HAIR AND NAILS AND 246 00:09:02,233 --> 00:09:02,667 JEWELRY. 247 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:04,600 SHE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT 248 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:04,900 ANYMORE. 249 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:07,300 SHE DIDN'T WANT ANY MORE 250 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:07,567 VISITORS. 251 00:09:07,567 --> 00:09:09,567 BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T LOOK, IN HER 252 00:09:09,567 --> 00:09:10,500 MIND, THE SAME. 253 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,567 >> THE DEFENSE ARGUED THAT ON 254 00:09:13,567 --> 00:09:15,933 OCTOBER 3rd, 2018, LYNN WAS 255 00:09:15,933 --> 00:09:18,133 TIRED OF BEING SICK AND DECIDED 256 00:09:18,133 --> 00:09:20,367 TO TAKE HER OWN LIFE. 257 00:09:20,367 --> 00:09:21,800 >> WHEN THEY ARRIVED ON THE 258 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:22,833 SCENE, THIS IS WHAT THEY FOUND 259 00:09:22,833 --> 00:09:23,533 AT THE SCENE. 260 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:25,833 THEY FOUND A LOT OF EMPTY 261 00:09:25,833 --> 00:09:26,900 PRESCRIPTION BOTTLES. 262 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:30,167 AND THEY CAN'T SEE THAT AS A 263 00:09:30,167 --> 00:09:32,333 SUICIDE? 264 00:09:32,333 --> 00:09:33,100 SHE'S INNOCENT. 265 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:34,833 FIND HER NOT GUILTY. 266 00:09:34,833 --> 00:09:37,200 >> ONE OF THE FIRST ORDERS OF 267 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,700 BUSINESS FOR PROSECUTORS -- 268 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:41,067 >> WE NEXT CALL -- 269 00:09:41,067 --> 00:09:48,133 >> WAS TO ESTABLISH THE CAUSE OF 270 00:09:48,133 --> 00:09:50,100 DEATH. 271 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:54,133 FORMER WAUKESHA PROSECUTOR -- 272 00:09:54,133 --> 00:09:56,067 >> THIS IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE 273 00:09:56,067 --> 00:09:57,967 MEDICATION BOTTLES TO HER LEFT. 274 00:09:57,967 --> 00:09:59,133 THERE ARE ADDITIONAL MEDICATIONS 275 00:09:59,133 --> 00:10:00,967 THAT ARE PRESENT. 276 00:10:00,967 --> 00:10:04,233 SOME WITHOUT THEIR CAMS ON. 277 00:10:04,233 --> 00:10:06,433 >> THERE WERE MULTIPLE 278 00:10:06,433 --> 00:10:07,467 MEDICATIONS SCATTERED ON THE 279 00:10:07,467 --> 00:10:08,567 CARPET AS WELL AS A WHITE POWDER 280 00:10:08,567 --> 00:10:11,967 ON THE PLATE AND ON HER CHEST. 281 00:10:11,967 --> 00:10:12,767 THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SUGGESTS 282 00:10:12,767 --> 00:10:15,100 THE POWDER WAS SPILLED BY ALONE 283 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:15,700 HERSELF. 284 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:17,733 >> JESSY TOLD YOU IT WAS COMMON 285 00:10:17,733 --> 00:10:19,333 FOR LYNN TO CRUSH MEDICATIONS 286 00:10:19,333 --> 00:10:22,067 BECAUSE OF HER PROBLEM 287 00:10:22,067 --> 00:10:22,367 SWALLOWING. 288 00:10:22,367 --> 00:10:23,333 THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME. 289 00:10:23,333 --> 00:10:25,267 >> JURORS HEARD FROM CHIEF 290 00:10:25,267 --> 00:10:30,467 MEDICAL EXAMINER DR. LYNDA 291 00:10:30,467 --> 00:10:31,200 BIEDRZYKI WHO TESTIFIED ABOUT 292 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,833 THE PHOTOS TAKEN IN THE LIVING 293 00:10:32,833 --> 00:10:33,033 ROOM. 294 00:10:33,033 --> 00:10:35,000 SHE SAID THE PILLS AND SCATTERED 295 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,700 AT THE SCENE DID POINT TO A 296 00:10:36,700 --> 00:10:39,167 POTENTIAL SUICIDE. 297 00:10:39,167 --> 00:10:41,900 >> THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT 298 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:43,600 MAYBE THERE WAS, THAT INGESTION 299 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,267 WAS A POSSIBILITY FOR THE CAUSE 300 00:10:45,267 --> 00:10:45,867 OF DEATH. 301 00:10:45,867 --> 00:10:47,567 >> BUT BEFORE PRONOUNCING THE 302 00:10:47,567 --> 00:10:49,700 CAUSE OF DEATH, DR. BIEDRZYKI 303 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:52,167 WAITED TO SEE THE RESULTS FROM 304 00:10:52,167 --> 00:10:53,967 THE TOXICOLOGY TESTS. 305 00:10:53,967 --> 00:10:57,033 WHEN SHE RECEIVED THEM WEEKS 306 00:10:57,033 --> 00:10:58,533 LATER, SHE WAS IN FOR A 307 00:10:58,533 --> 00:10:58,800 SURPRISE. 308 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,933 >> THERE WAS A SUBSTANCE THAT I 309 00:11:01,933 --> 00:11:03,100 WAS, IT WAS UNUSUAL. 310 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,900 AN UNUSUAL FINDING THAT I HADN'T 311 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:06,400 SEEN BEFORE IN A REPORT FROM THE 312 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,300 FACILITY BEFORE. 313 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:10,133 IT WAS CALLED TETRAHYDROZOLINE. 314 00:11:10,133 --> 00:11:11,700 >> DR. BIEDRZYKI BEGAN HER OWN 315 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:14,100 RESEARCH ON TETRAHYDROZOLINE. 316 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,200 A DRUG FOUND IN SOME OVER THE 317 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,300 COUNTER EYEDROPS. 318 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:19,067 >> THIS IS A SUBSTANCE THAT I 319 00:11:19,067 --> 00:11:21,433 HAVEN'T SEEN IN A TOXICOLOGY 320 00:11:21,433 --> 00:11:22,200 REPORT BEFORE. 321 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,167 IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE 322 00:11:24,167 --> 00:11:24,433 BLOOD. 323 00:11:24,433 --> 00:11:28,400 >> BUT HOW DID IT GET THERE? 324 00:11:47,233 --> 00:11:49,100 >>> DOCTOR, WERE YOU INVOLVED IN 325 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:51,133 THE CAUSE OF DEATH AND MANNER 326 00:11:51,133 --> 00:11:52,200 DETERMINATION FOR LYNN HERNAN? 327 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,333 >> YES. 328 00:11:53,333 --> 00:11:54,967 >> THE MEDICAL EXAMINER TOLD THE 329 00:11:54,967 --> 00:11:57,267 JOOUR IT WAS IN LATE SEPTEMBER 330 00:11:57,267 --> 00:12:00,200 2019, ALMOST A AREA AFTER LYNN 331 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,733 HERNAN'S DEATH, THAT SHE 332 00:12:02,733 --> 00:12:03,967 PUBLISHED HER OFFICIAL 333 00:12:03,967 --> 00:12:05,567 CONCLUSION ABOUT HOW LYNN DIED. 334 00:12:05,567 --> 00:12:07,367 >> THE CAUSE OF DEATH I 335 00:12:07,367 --> 00:12:10,067 DETERMINED WAS TETRAHYDROZOLINE 336 00:12:10,067 --> 00:12:10,333 POISONING. 337 00:12:10,333 --> 00:12:12,333 >> AND DR. BIEDRZYKI RULED THAT 338 00:12:12,333 --> 00:12:14,067 LYNN DID NOT DELIBERATELY DRINK 339 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:16,300 A FATAL DOSE OF EYEDROPS. 340 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:19,767 >> HOW THIS INJURY OCCURRED IS 341 00:12:19,767 --> 00:12:20,900 THAT SHE WAS GIVEN 342 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:21,567 TETRAHYDROZOLINE BY ANOTHER 343 00:12:21,567 --> 00:12:23,233 WHICH IS WHY I CALLED IT A 344 00:12:23,233 --> 00:12:23,500 HOMICIDE. 345 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:25,667 >> THE BELIEF THAT LYNN HERNAN 346 00:12:25,667 --> 00:12:27,067 WAS GIVEN TETRAHYDROZOLINE BY 347 00:12:27,067 --> 00:12:29,067 ANOTHER SHOWS THAT SHE WAS GIVEN 348 00:12:29,067 --> 00:12:30,567 THIS UNSUSPECTINGLY. 349 00:12:30,567 --> 00:12:33,433 SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT SHE WAS 350 00:12:33,433 --> 00:12:34,467 INGESTING TETRAHYDROZOLINE WHEN 351 00:12:34,467 --> 00:12:35,900 SHE DID IT. 352 00:12:35,900 --> 00:12:37,267 >> THE DEFENSE CHALLENGED THE 353 00:12:37,267 --> 00:12:39,767 MEDICAL EXAMINER'S FINDINGS. 354 00:12:39,767 --> 00:12:42,233 >> THESE ARE ALL THE DRUGS FOUND 355 00:12:42,233 --> 00:12:43,533 IN MISS HERNAN, CORRECT? 356 00:12:43,533 --> 00:12:44,867 >> CORRECT. 357 00:12:44,867 --> 00:12:46,367 >> TOXICOLOGY REPORTS SUPPOSED 358 00:12:46,367 --> 00:12:47,567 THAT SHE HAD AT LEAST EIGHT 359 00:12:47,567 --> 00:12:49,067 PRESCRIPTION DRUGS IN HER 360 00:12:49,067 --> 00:12:49,500 SYSTEM. 361 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:50,967 SOME OF WHICH LYNN WAS NOT 362 00:12:50,967 --> 00:12:52,200 SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING AT THE 363 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,767 TIME BECAUSE THOSE MEDICATIONS 364 00:12:53,767 --> 00:12:56,233 HAD BEEN DISCONTINUED BY LYNN'S 365 00:12:56,233 --> 00:12:56,467 DOCTORS. 366 00:12:56,467 --> 00:12:58,667 >> AND THESE WERE ALL IN HER 367 00:12:58,667 --> 00:12:59,900 BLOOD WHICH MEANS THEY'VE 368 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:01,500 ALREADY BEEN INGESTED AND MADE 369 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,067 IT INTO THE BLOOD STREAM. 370 00:13:03,067 --> 00:13:04,333 >> TRUE. 371 00:13:04,333 --> 00:13:06,067 >> DR. BIEDRZYKI SAID THAT IN 372 00:13:06,067 --> 00:13:09,067 HER DETERMINATION, THOSE 373 00:13:09,067 --> 00:13:10,567 MEDICATIONS, ALONG WITH SOME OF 374 00:13:10,567 --> 00:13:12,600 LYNN'S MEDICAL CONDITIONS, 375 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,833 CONTRIBUTED TO BUT DID NOT CAUSE 376 00:13:14,833 --> 00:13:15,967 LYNN'S DEATH. 377 00:13:15,967 --> 00:13:17,500 >> THE MEDICATIONS FOUND IN 378 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:19,500 LYNN'S BODY WERE ALL AT 379 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:20,467 THERAPEUTIC LEVELS. 380 00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:22,133 >> YOUR CONCLUSION WAS THAT SHE 381 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:24,167 DIED FROM THE TETRAHYDROZOLINE, 382 00:13:24,167 --> 00:13:24,500 RIGHT? 383 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:25,667 >> YES. 384 00:13:25,667 --> 00:13:28,067 >> BUT THE DEFENSE ASKED, HOW 385 00:13:28,067 --> 00:13:31,100 COULD THE MEDICAL EXAMINER BE SO 386 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:33,467 CERTAIN LYNN DID NOT INGEST THE 387 00:13:33,467 --> 00:13:34,667 EYEDROPS ON HER OWN? 388 00:13:34,667 --> 00:13:36,500 >> YOU DON'T KNOW, AS YOU SIT 389 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:39,267 THERE TODAY, WHETHER SHE 390 00:13:39,267 --> 00:13:42,800 VOLUNTARILY INGESTED THAT. 391 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,067 >> IT WAS MY OPINION SHE DIDN'T, 392 00:13:45,067 --> 00:13:48,333 BUT KNOWLEDGE OF HER ACTION, NO. 393 00:13:48,333 --> 00:13:49,567 >> YOU WEREN'T THERE. 394 00:13:49,567 --> 00:13:51,800 >> I WASN'T THERE. 395 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,633 >> ON REDIRECT, DEPUTY D.A. 396 00:13:54,633 --> 00:13:56,100 NICKOLIE ASKED ABOUT THE POWDER 397 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:58,333 FOUND ON AND NEAR LYNN'S BODY. 398 00:13:58,333 --> 00:14:00,367 >> WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED? 399 00:14:00,367 --> 00:14:02,233 >> I THINK THAT THEY MAY HAVE 400 00:14:02,233 --> 00:14:03,200 BEEN DEPOSITED THERE. 401 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,267 >> THE MEDICAL EXAMINER BELIEVED 402 00:14:05,267 --> 00:14:06,900 THAT LYNN HERNAN'S BODY WAS 403 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:09,333 STAGED TO LOOK LIKE AN OVERDOSE 404 00:14:09,333 --> 00:14:10,233 BECAUSE TOXICOLOGY REPORTS 405 00:14:10,233 --> 00:14:12,300 SHOWED THAT NONE OF THE CRUSHED 406 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:13,433 MEDICATION THAT WAS FOUND ON 407 00:14:13,433 --> 00:14:15,567 LYNN HERNAN AND NEXT TO HER WAS 408 00:14:15,567 --> 00:14:19,100 ACTUALLY IN HER SYSTEM. 409 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:21,367 >> THE FOLLOWING DAY -- 410 00:14:21,367 --> 00:14:22,833 >> THE NEXT WITNESS. 411 00:14:22,833 --> 00:14:24,767 >> THE JURY HEARD FROM SOME OF 412 00:14:24,767 --> 00:14:25,833 LYNN'S FRIENDS. 413 00:14:25,833 --> 00:14:26,967 >> DID YOU KNOW LYNN HERNAN? 414 00:14:26,967 --> 00:14:28,600 >> YES, I DID. 415 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,633 >> JIM KELLEHER MET HER AT A 416 00:14:30,633 --> 00:14:32,833 MAKE FESTIVAL IN 1983. 417 00:14:32,833 --> 00:14:35,067 WHEN SHE WAS 27. 418 00:14:35,067 --> 00:14:36,800 WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST IMPRESSION? 419 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,733 >> THAT LADY THAT LOOKED THAT 420 00:14:38,733 --> 00:14:40,433 GOOD WOULDN'T GO OUT WITH ME. 421 00:14:40,433 --> 00:14:43,900 >> BUT LYNN SAID YES, AND THEIR 422 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:45,667 ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP LASTED TEN 423 00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:45,967 YEARS. 424 00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:48,200 EVEN AFTER IT ENDED, THEY 425 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,067 REMAINED CLOSE FRIENDS. 426 00:14:49,067 --> 00:14:51,333 >> LYNN WAS A BEAUTIFUL LADY 427 00:14:51,333 --> 00:14:53,967 INSIDE AND OUT, SHE WAS 428 00:14:53,967 --> 00:14:54,267 BEAUTIFUL. 429 00:14:54,267 --> 00:14:57,167 >> HE SAID HE NEVER MET JESSY 430 00:14:57,167 --> 00:14:58,833 UNTIL RIGHT AFTER LYNN DIED. 431 00:14:58,833 --> 00:15:01,900 >> I GET A PHONE CALL FROM JESSY 432 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:04,500 AND SHE SAYS I HAVE SOME BAD 433 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:04,767 NEWS. 434 00:15:04,767 --> 00:15:07,533 LYNN COMMITTED SUICIDE. 435 00:15:07,533 --> 00:15:09,200 AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO 436 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,433 HAVE A DINNER FOR HER ON THE 437 00:15:11,433 --> 00:15:14,267 13th AT THE OPEN FLAME 438 00:15:14,267 --> 00:15:14,567 RESTAURANT. 439 00:15:14,567 --> 00:15:16,367 >> SHE SAID, IN ONE SENTENCE -- 440 00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:17,767 >> CORRECT. 441 00:15:17,767 --> 00:15:19,800 >> YOUR DEAR FRIEND DIED BY 442 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:20,067 SUICIDE. 443 00:15:20,067 --> 00:15:21,600 THE NEXT SENTENCE SHE TELLS YOU 444 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,067 THERE'S GOING TO BE A DINNER IN 445 00:15:23,067 --> 00:15:23,800 HER MEMORY. 446 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,567 >> RIGHT. 447 00:15:24,567 --> 00:15:26,267 >> WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT? 448 00:15:26,267 --> 00:15:28,133 >> I KIND OF DIDN'T BELIEVE HER 449 00:15:28,133 --> 00:15:29,267 RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 450 00:15:29,267 --> 00:15:29,967 SHE WASN'T CRYING. 451 00:15:29,967 --> 00:15:32,633 >> ON THE STAND, JIM SAID HE 452 00:15:32,633 --> 00:15:34,100 DIDN'T BELIEVE LYNN WOULD HAVE 453 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,333 TAKEN HER OWN LIFE. 454 00:15:36,333 --> 00:15:37,600 >> DID YOU EVER HEAR LYNN SAY 455 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,900 ANYTHING TO YOU ABOUT THINKING 456 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:39,700 OF KILLING HERSELF? 457 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:40,233 >> NO. 458 00:15:40,233 --> 00:15:41,067 I DID NOT. 459 00:15:41,067 --> 00:15:43,200 SHE NEVER GAVE ME ANY INDICATION 460 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,967 OF SUICIDAL, NEVER. 461 00:15:45,967 --> 00:15:47,833 >> HE SAID DESPITE HER GROWING 462 00:15:47,833 --> 00:15:49,567 FRUSTRATION WITH HER HEALTH 463 00:15:49,567 --> 00:15:51,167 PROBLEMS, LYNN WOULD STILL VISIT 464 00:15:51,167 --> 00:15:53,833 HIM AND HIS GIRLFRIEND AT THEIR 465 00:15:53,833 --> 00:15:54,100 HOME. 466 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:55,933 >> DID SHE BRING TREATS AND 467 00:15:55,933 --> 00:15:56,200 STUFF? 468 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,767 SHE WOULD SAY SHE HAD STOMACH 469 00:15:57,767 --> 00:15:59,333 ACHES OR WHATEVER AND SHE WOULD 470 00:15:59,333 --> 00:16:00,233 ALWAYS LEAVE. 471 00:16:00,233 --> 00:16:01,867 >> THE DEFENSE QUESTIONED 472 00:16:01,867 --> 00:16:03,600 WHETHER JIM REALLY KNEW MUCH 473 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,167 ABOUT LYNN'S HEALTH STRUGGLES. 474 00:16:05,167 --> 00:16:07,333 IN THE LAST YEAR OF LYNN'S LIFE, 475 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:09,700 SHE HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE 476 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:11,333 HOSPITAL, DISCHARGED THE FINAL 477 00:16:11,333 --> 00:16:14,200 TIME JUST FIVE DAYS BEFORE HER 478 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:14,567 DEATH. 479 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:15,500 >> DID YOU OFFER TO GO OVER 480 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,100 THERE AND TAKE CARE OF HER CAT 481 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:18,067 WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL? 482 00:16:18,067 --> 00:16:18,867 >> NO. 483 00:16:18,867 --> 00:16:19,300 I DID NOT. 484 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:20,967 >> YOU DIDN'T GO VISIT HER. 485 00:16:20,967 --> 00:16:21,533 >> NO. 486 00:16:21,533 --> 00:16:22,767 I DID NOT. 487 00:16:22,767 --> 00:16:25,200 >> PROSECUTORS ALSO CALLED 488 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,767 KOREEN POZZA. 489 00:16:26,767 --> 00:16:28,600 >> WE WERE BEST FRIENDS FOR 490 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,067 ABOUT 35 PLUS YEARS. 491 00:16:30,067 --> 00:16:31,500 >> AND HER SON ANTHONY WHO SAID 492 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:33,333 HE ALWAYS HAD A SPECIAL BOND 493 00:16:33,333 --> 00:16:35,767 WITH LYNN SINCE CHILDHOOD. 494 00:16:35,767 --> 00:16:37,600 WHAT DID YOU CALL LYNN? 495 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,267 >> AUNTIE LYNNIE. 496 00:16:39,267 --> 00:16:41,200 >> ANTHONY SAID HE STAYED CLOSE 497 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,967 TO LYNN, REGULARLY DROPPING BY 498 00:16:42,967 --> 00:16:44,800 HER CONDO WHILE HE ATTENDED 499 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,067 COLLEGE NEARBY. 500 00:16:46,067 --> 00:16:48,333 >> I LOVED DOING STUFF WITH HER. 501 00:16:48,333 --> 00:16:49,867 THRIFT STORE SHOPPING. 502 00:16:49,867 --> 00:16:52,067 IT WAS A DATE WE WOULD GO ON IS 503 00:16:52,067 --> 00:16:52,867 THRIFT STORE SHOPPING. 504 00:16:52,867 --> 00:16:54,133 >> DO YOU RECALL WHEN THE LAST 505 00:16:54,133 --> 00:16:55,200 CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH LYNN 506 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:55,533 WAS? 507 00:16:55,533 --> 00:16:58,567 >> THE LAST TIME I SAW LYNN WAS 508 00:16:58,567 --> 00:17:00,667 A MONTH BEFORE SHE PASSED AWAY. 509 00:17:00,667 --> 00:17:02,500 >> ANTHONY TESTIFIED THAT 510 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:04,166 DESPITE HER MEDICAL TROUBLES, 511 00:17:04,166 --> 00:17:06,233 LYNN APPEARED TO BE IMPROVING. 512 00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:07,633 >> SHE SAID SHE WAS STARTING TO 513 00:17:07,633 --> 00:17:10,700 FEEL BETTER AND SHE SAID I'M 514 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:12,067 GLAD I'M GETTING OUT AGAIN AND 515 00:17:12,067 --> 00:17:14,666 WE NEED TO DO THIS MORE OFTEN. 516 00:17:14,666 --> 00:17:16,433 >> PROSECUTORS ASKED WAUKESHA 517 00:17:16,433 --> 00:17:19,967 COUNTY SHERIFF'S DETECTIVE CHRIS 518 00:17:19,967 --> 00:17:20,900 KOHL ABOUT HIS INVESTIGATION 519 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:21,900 INTO LYNN'S DEATH. 520 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:25,133 >> DID YOU SPEAK WITH MISS 521 00:17:25,133 --> 00:17:26,300 KURCZEWSKI IN REGARD TO THIS 522 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:26,867 DEATH INVESTIGATION? 523 00:17:26,867 --> 00:17:27,733 >> YES. 524 00:17:27,733 --> 00:17:29,133 SHE CONTACTED OUR OFFICE LOOKING 525 00:17:29,133 --> 00:17:31,267 FOR AN UPDATE. 526 00:17:31,267 --> 00:17:32,500 >> PROSECUTORS INTRODUCED VIDEO 527 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,067 OF THAT MEETING WITH DETECTIVE 528 00:17:35,067 --> 00:17:35,733 KOHL. 529 00:17:35,733 --> 00:17:37,767 HE TESTIFIED THAT FIVE MONTHS 530 00:17:37,767 --> 00:17:40,067 AFTER LYNN DIED, BEFORE THE 531 00:17:40,067 --> 00:17:41,767 MEDICAL EXAMINER HAD RULED ON 532 00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:44,267 THE CAUSE OF DEATH, JESSY CAME 533 00:17:44,267 --> 00:17:47,700 TO THE SHERIFF WITH HER MOTHER 534 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:49,767 JENNIFER FLOWER ASKING 535 00:17:49,767 --> 00:17:50,067 QUESTIONS. 536 00:17:50,067 --> 00:17:52,367 >> WHEN I TALKED TO THE MEDICAL 537 00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:54,233 EXAMINER LAST -- WELL, I TALKED 538 00:17:54,233 --> 00:17:55,900 TO HER NUMEROUS TIME AND THEY 539 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:57,467 SAID I HAD TO CONTACT YOU GUYS. 540 00:17:57,467 --> 00:17:58,767 THEY WEREN'T SURE WE DIDN'T KNOW 541 00:17:58,767 --> 00:18:01,433 IF IT WAS A SUICIDE OR SOMETHING 542 00:18:01,433 --> 00:18:01,667 MEDICAL. 543 00:18:01,667 --> 00:18:03,433 >> SO AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, 544 00:18:03,433 --> 00:18:06,833 THEY'RE WAITING FOR THEIR 545 00:18:06,833 --> 00:18:07,967 SECONDARY, THEY'RE CALLED 546 00:18:07,967 --> 00:18:08,867 CONFIRMING TESTS. 547 00:18:08,867 --> 00:18:11,067 >> DURING THAT INTERVIEW, 548 00:18:11,067 --> 00:18:12,467 DETECTIVE KOHL FOUND OUT MORE 549 00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:14,600 ABOUT JESSY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH 550 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:14,900 LYNN. 551 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:17,133 >> SHE WAS LIKE AN AUNT, A 552 00:18:17,133 --> 00:18:19,233 SECOND MOM TO ME. 553 00:18:19,233 --> 00:18:20,533 SHE DIDN'T HAVE KIDS. 554 00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:22,967 >> YOU KNEW HER YOUR WHOLE LIFE? 555 00:18:22,967 --> 00:18:24,833 THAT'S WHY YOU WERE HELPING OUT? 556 00:18:24,833 --> 00:18:26,500 >> JESSY SAID SHE WAS JUST ABOUT 557 00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:28,267 THE ONLY PERSON STILL IN LYNN'S 558 00:18:28,267 --> 00:18:29,700 LIFE BEFORE SHE DIED. 559 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:32,200 >> SHE PRETTY MUCH BLEW 560 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,633 EVERYBODY OFF POSSIBLE AT THE 561 00:18:33,633 --> 00:18:33,833 END. 562 00:18:33,833 --> 00:18:35,733 >> ACCORDING TO JESSY AND HER 563 00:18:35,733 --> 00:18:37,833 MOTHER, LYNN WAS SO WITHDRAWN, 564 00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:39,833 SHE DID NOT WANT TO TALK TO HER 565 00:18:39,833 --> 00:18:44,467 FRIEND JIM WHEN HE CALLED. 566 00:18:44,467 --> 00:18:45,933 >> SHE SAID, TELL HIM I DON'T 567 00:18:45,933 --> 00:18:47,933 WANT TO SEE HIM. 568 00:18:47,933 --> 00:18:49,267 >> SHE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY SHE 569 00:18:49,267 --> 00:18:50,833 LOOKED SO SHE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE 570 00:18:50,833 --> 00:18:51,867 AROUND. 571 00:18:51,867 --> 00:18:53,300 >> THAT'S NOT HOW JIM REMEMBERS 572 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:54,633 WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE AND HIS 573 00:18:54,633 --> 00:18:56,267 GIRLFRIEND CALLED LYNN'S NUMBER. 574 00:18:56,267 --> 00:18:57,867 >> THIS GIRL ANSWERED THE PHONE 575 00:18:57,867 --> 00:19:00,533 AND SHE WAS KIND OF MOUTHING OFF 576 00:19:00,533 --> 00:19:01,100 TO US. 577 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:02,333 DON'T USE THIS PHONE. 578 00:19:02,333 --> 00:19:04,167 DON'T CALL THIS NUMBER EVER 579 00:19:04,167 --> 00:19:04,433 AGAIN. 580 00:19:04,433 --> 00:19:07,067 DON'T WORRY ABOUT LYNN. 581 00:19:07,067 --> 00:19:08,467 >> AND YOU'RE THINKING, WHAT? 582 00:19:08,467 --> 00:19:09,733 >> I HAVE TO FIND OUT FROM LYNN 583 00:19:09,733 --> 00:19:10,600 WHAT'S GOING ON. 584 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,400 >> A FEW DAYS LATER, JIM SAYS 585 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,067 LYNN CALLED HIM FROM THE 586 00:19:15,067 --> 00:19:16,900 HOSPITAL AND THEY AGREED TO MAKE 587 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:18,500 PLANS TO GET TOGETHER WHEN SHE 588 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:19,267 WENT HOME. 589 00:19:19,267 --> 00:19:21,567 >> AND THAT'S THE LAST TIME THAT 590 00:19:21,567 --> 00:19:24,600 I HEARD LYNN'S VOICE. 591 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,733 >> AS THEY TRIED TO MAKE SENSE 592 00:19:26,733 --> 00:19:29,567 OF HER DEATH, LYNN'S FRIENDS SAY 593 00:19:29,567 --> 00:19:31,200 THEY RECALLED LYNN TALKING ABOUT 594 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,067 SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS 595 00:19:33,067 --> 00:19:34,067 TROUBLING HER. 596 00:19:34,067 --> 00:19:35,600 SOMETHING THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO 597 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,933 WITH HER HEALTH. 598 00:19:36,933 --> 00:19:39,300 >> SHE WOULD TALK ABOUT HER 599 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:39,633 MONEY. 600 00:19:39,633 --> 00:19:41,567 IT IS DISAPPEARING. 601 00:19:41,567 --> 00:19:42,800 >> SHE JUST SAID I DON'T KNOW 602 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:48,100 WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY MONEY. 603 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:49,500 >>> HOW DO YOU THINK LYNN HERNAN 604 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:52,967 DIED? 605 00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:02,333 >>> DID MISS KURCZEWSKI TELL YOU 606 00:20:02,333 --> 00:20:04,033 WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF 607 00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:05,967 HANDLING LYNN'S ESTATE? 608 00:20:05,967 --> 00:20:06,800 >> YEAH. 609 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,467 SHE SAID SHE WAS APPOINTED POWER 610 00:20:08,467 --> 00:20:08,967 OF ATTORNEY. 611 00:20:08,967 --> 00:20:10,567 >> AS THE PROSECUTION TURNED TO 612 00:20:10,567 --> 00:20:11,933 THE CHARGES THAT JESSY STOLE 613 00:20:11,933 --> 00:20:13,900 MONEY FROM LYNN, THEY ASKED 614 00:20:13,900 --> 00:20:16,567 ANTHONY POZZA ABOUT HIS 615 00:20:16,567 --> 00:20:18,300 COMMUNICATIONS WITH JESSY AND 616 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:19,833 THE MONTHS AFTER LYNN'S DEATH. 617 00:20:19,833 --> 00:20:22,667 >> I WOULD JUST CHECK UP WITH 618 00:20:22,667 --> 00:20:24,433 JESSY ONCE IN A WHILE AND ASKED 619 00:20:24,433 --> 00:20:27,667 HER IF SHE NEEDED ANY HELP. 620 00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:28,867 >> LYNN LEFT A WILL SHE HAD 621 00:20:28,867 --> 00:20:30,933 DRAWN UP IN 2016 WHICH NAMED 622 00:20:30,933 --> 00:20:32,933 JESSY AS PERSONAL 623 00:20:32,933 --> 00:20:33,700 REPRESENTATIVE. 624 00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:37,400 WISCONSIN'S EQUIVALENT OF AN 625 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:37,933 EXECUT 626 00:20:37,933 --> 00:20:38,200 EXECUTOR. 627 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,300 JESSY AND ANTHONY WERE 628 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:40,700 CO-BENEFICIARIES. 629 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,433 WHEN JESSY SENT ANTHONY OF 630 00:20:42,433 --> 00:20:44,133 ACCOUNTS SHE WAS SETTLING -- 631 00:20:44,133 --> 00:20:45,900 >> I REMEMBER GETTING A FINAL 632 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:47,533 ACCOUNT WITH JUST A BUNCH OF 633 00:20:47,533 --> 00:20:48,533 CREDIT CARD BILLS. 634 00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:50,767 >> HE WAS SURPRISED AT THE 635 00:20:50,767 --> 00:20:52,967 AMOUNT OF MONEY LYNN APPEARED TO 636 00:20:52,967 --> 00:20:53,167 OWE. 637 00:20:53,167 --> 00:20:55,067 >> IT WAS JUST WEIRD HOW SHE HAD 638 00:20:55,067 --> 00:20:57,200 ALL THESE DEBTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE 639 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,900 ANY SENSE TO ME. 640 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:00,800 >> LYNN'S FRIENDS REMEMBERED HER 641 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,267 AS LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK 642 00:21:04,267 --> 00:21:08,200 UNTIL 2014 WHEN SHE INHERITED 643 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,500 $250,000 AFTER HER MOTHER DIED. 644 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,700 NOW, AFTER LYNN'S DEATH, JESSY 645 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:15,833 REPORTED TO ANTHONY THAT MOST OF 646 00:21:15,833 --> 00:21:18,067 LYNN'S ASSETS HAD BEEN EATEN 647 00:21:18,067 --> 00:21:19,433 AWAY BY DEBT. 648 00:21:19,433 --> 00:21:20,533 >> I JUST FELT LIKE SOMETHING 649 00:21:20,533 --> 00:21:23,467 WAS UP AND I WANTED IT LOOKED AT 650 00:21:23,467 --> 00:21:24,400 MORE CLOSELY. 651 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,067 >> THE JURY NEXT HEARD FROM 652 00:21:26,067 --> 00:21:28,467 SOMEONE WHO WAS LOOKING MORE 653 00:21:28,467 --> 00:21:28,767 CLOSELY. 654 00:21:28,767 --> 00:21:30,400 >> YOU WENT THROUGH ALL THESE 655 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,733 FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS LINE BY LINE, 656 00:21:31,733 --> 00:21:32,433 IS THAT CORRECT? 657 00:21:32,433 --> 00:21:33,533 >> YES. 658 00:21:33,533 --> 00:21:36,467 >> DETECTIVE NATHAN PLENNES 659 00:21:36,467 --> 00:21:37,167 TESTIFIED ABOUT THE 660 00:21:37,167 --> 00:21:40,067 INVESTIGATION INTO LYNN'S 661 00:21:40,067 --> 00:21:40,300 FINANCES. 662 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:42,100 PROSECUTORS ALLEGED JESSY STOLE 663 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,933 MORE THAN $200,000 FROM LYNN 664 00:21:44,933 --> 00:21:47,200 BEFORE AND AFTER SHE DIED. 665 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,467 AND IN THE COURSE OF THEIR 666 00:21:49,467 --> 00:21:51,067 INVESTIGATION, DETECTIVES 667 00:21:51,067 --> 00:21:54,467 DISCOVERED A BOMBSHELL. 668 00:21:54,467 --> 00:21:56,833 JESSY KURCZEWSKI HAD A CRIMINAL 669 00:21:56,833 --> 00:21:57,133 RECORD. 670 00:21:57,133 --> 00:22:00,433 BACK IN 2011, JESSY WAS 671 00:22:00,433 --> 00:22:02,333 CONVICTED ON CHARGES OF IDENTITY 672 00:22:02,333 --> 00:22:03,967 THEFT AND FORGERY, AND SENTENCED 673 00:22:03,967 --> 00:22:08,200 TO EIGHT YEARS. 674 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,133 JESSY HAD BEEN RELEASED FROM 675 00:22:09,133 --> 00:22:11,800 PRISON EARLY IN 2016 ON EXTENDED 676 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,167 SUPERVISION, WHICH COINCIDED 677 00:22:13,167 --> 00:22:15,267 WITH THE TIME LYNN'S HEALTH 678 00:22:15,267 --> 00:22:16,800 BEGAN TO DECLINE. 679 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,367 >> CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN TO PAGE 680 00:22:19,367 --> 00:22:19,733 3? 681 00:22:19,733 --> 00:22:22,967 >> PLENNES TOLD JURORS WHAT HE 682 00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:24,567 LEARNED ABOUT LYNN HERNAN'S BANK 683 00:22:24,567 --> 00:22:24,833 ACCOUNTS. 684 00:22:24,833 --> 00:22:26,800 HE TESTIFIED THAT LYNN'S MONEY 685 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,067 MARKET ACCOUNT WHICH HAD AROUND 686 00:22:30,067 --> 00:22:33,100 $250,000 IN 2016 WAS DOWN TO 687 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:36,067 ONLY $87 JUST AFTER SHE DIED. 688 00:22:36,067 --> 00:22:37,733 A FRACTION OF THE TOTAL WAS 689 00:22:37,733 --> 00:22:42,067 SPENT BY LYNN ON A JEEP AND SOME 690 00:22:42,067 --> 00:22:42,267 JEWELRY. 691 00:22:42,267 --> 00:22:43,933 ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE, 692 00:22:43,933 --> 00:22:45,067 INCLUDING A TOTAL OF 20 693 00:22:45,067 --> 00:22:47,300 CHECKS -- 694 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:50,733 >> $9935.62 -- 695 00:22:50,733 --> 00:22:51,767 >> WENT TO JESSY KURCZEWSKI. 696 00:22:51,767 --> 00:22:55,067 >> TWO CHECKS. 697 00:22:55,067 --> 00:22:58,433 7,000 -- 9,000 -- 698 00:22:58,433 --> 00:23:00,400 >> JESSY WAS ACCUSED OF STEALING 699 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,633 FROM LYNN BECAUSE SHE WAS 700 00:23:02,633 --> 00:23:03,733 GETTING 20 COLLECTION OUT OF THE 701 00:23:03,733 --> 00:23:07,300 ACCOUNT WITH VARIOUS MEMOS LIKE 702 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,600 IRS PAYMENT, CAR PAYMENT. 703 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,833 >> STEPHANIE RODRIGUEZ COVERED 704 00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:13,500 THE TRIAL FOR THE CBS AFFILIATE. 705 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:15,100 >> BUT NONE OF THE MONEY WAS 706 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:17,800 GOING TO THE PLACES WHERE LYNNED 707 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,900 INTENDED FOR THEM TO GO. 708 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:21,867 >> PLENNES DESCRIBED TO THE JURY 709 00:23:21,867 --> 00:23:23,667 HOW HE MATCHED EACH OF THOSE 710 00:23:23,667 --> 00:23:25,933 COLLECTION TO DEPOSITS IN 711 00:23:25,933 --> 00:23:27,067 JESSY'S ACCOUNTS AND THEN 712 00:23:27,067 --> 00:23:28,900 TRACKED WHERE JESSY SPENT THAT 713 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:29,700 MONEY. 714 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:30,600 THERE WAS A BIG SPIKE IN 715 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,700 SPENDING WHILE LYNN WAS IN THE 716 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:32,967 HOSPITAL. 717 00:23:32,967 --> 00:23:34,933 TWO WEEKS BEFORE SHE DIED. 718 00:23:34,933 --> 00:23:36,867 >> DURING HER LAST HOSPITAL 719 00:23:36,867 --> 00:23:38,333 STAY, MONEY WAS BEING 720 00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:40,167 TRANSFERRED FROM LYNN'S ACCOUNT 721 00:23:40,167 --> 00:23:42,067 INTO JESSY'S ACCOUNT, AND THEN 722 00:23:42,067 --> 00:23:43,367 JESSY WAS WITHDRAWING THAT MONEY 723 00:23:43,367 --> 00:23:47,900 FROM ATMs AT A LOCAL CASINO. 724 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:48,967 >> PLENNES ALSO TESTIFIED THAT 725 00:23:48,967 --> 00:23:52,733 ON THE DAY THAT LYNN DIED, A 726 00:23:52,733 --> 00:23:54,500 JCPENNEY CARD WAS OPENED IN 727 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:55,067 LYNN'S NAME. 728 00:23:55,067 --> 00:23:57,400 JUST DAYS LATER, AGO $3,000 729 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,233 PURCHASE OF FURNITURE MADE ON 730 00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:02,333 ANOTHER CREDIT CARD IN LYNN'S 731 00:24:02,333 --> 00:24:05,067 NAME WAS DELIVERED TO THE HOME 732 00:24:05,067 --> 00:24:06,767 JESSY SHARED WITH SCOTT. 733 00:24:06,767 --> 00:24:09,267 >> MR. SCOTT, HOW IS IT YOU KNOW 734 00:24:09,267 --> 00:24:09,467 HER? 735 00:24:09,467 --> 00:24:10,433 >> WE WERE BOYFRIEND AND 736 00:24:10,433 --> 00:24:11,600 GIRLFRIEND FOR THREE AND A HALF 737 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:11,867 YEARS. 738 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:12,767 >> WHAT WAS IT THAT HAPPENED IN 739 00:24:12,767 --> 00:24:15,767 THE SUMMER OF 2019 THAT CAUSED 740 00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:19,633 THAT END TO THE RELATIONSHIP? 741 00:24:19,633 --> 00:24:21,733 >> WHEN THE WAUKESHA SHERIFF'S 742 00:24:21,733 --> 00:24:23,267 DEPARTMENT CAME TO MAY HOUSE AND 743 00:24:23,267 --> 00:24:24,233 TOOK HER AWAY. 744 00:24:24,233 --> 00:24:26,533 >> JESSY WAS ARRESTED FOR 745 00:24:26,533 --> 00:24:27,467 POTENTIALLY VIOLATING THE TERM 746 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:30,067 OF HER ASSUME ADVISED RELEASE ON 747 00:24:30,067 --> 00:24:33,700 THE IDENTITY THEFT AND FRAUD 748 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:33,967 CHARGES. 749 00:24:33,967 --> 00:24:36,767 >> THIS IS THE INITIAL INTERVIEW 750 00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:38,067 CONDUCTED WITH MISS KURCZEWSKI 751 00:24:38,067 --> 00:24:39,367 ONCE THE WARRANTS WERE CONDUCTED 752 00:24:39,367 --> 00:24:40,767 ON JULY 9th? 753 00:24:40,767 --> 00:24:43,267 >> DETECTIVE AARON HOPPE, THE 754 00:24:43,267 --> 00:24:44,667 LEAD INVESTIGATOR IN THE CASE, 755 00:24:44,667 --> 00:24:47,133 AND DETECTIVE CHRIS KOHL, 756 00:24:47,133 --> 00:24:48,867 INTERVIEWED JESSY. 757 00:24:48,867 --> 00:24:50,300 HOPPE WATCHED PORTIONS OF THE 758 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:52,200 INTERVIEW I KNOW WHAT THE 759 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:52,467 JURORS. 760 00:24:52,467 --> 00:24:54,767 >> TYPICALLY, THE MORNING OR THE 761 00:24:54,767 --> 00:24:55,067 NIGHT -- 762 00:24:55,067 --> 00:24:58,100 >> I DIDN'T HAVE A SET -- IT 763 00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:59,900 JUST DEPENDED ON HOW SHE WAS 764 00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:00,767 DOING THE DAY BEFORE. 765 00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:04,400 >> FOLLOWING UP ON THE 766 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,267 SUPPOSITION THAT SHE WAS 767 00:25:05,267 --> 00:25:06,567 STEALING, THEY GAVE HER A CHANCE 768 00:25:06,567 --> 00:25:07,500 TO EXPLAIN. 769 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,167 SHE CLAIMED LYNN HAD BEEN PAYING 770 00:25:09,167 --> 00:25:11,067 HER FOR HELPING AT HOME. 771 00:25:11,067 --> 00:25:12,600 >> IT WAS ALL -- 772 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,233 >> AN OFFICIAL ARRANGEMENT? 773 00:25:14,233 --> 00:25:15,300 >> NO. 774 00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:15,633 NO. 775 00:25:15,633 --> 00:25:16,833 THERE WAS NOTHING, NO, NOTHING 776 00:25:16,833 --> 00:25:17,767 LIKE THAT. 777 00:25:17,767 --> 00:25:19,400 THERE WAS NO, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY, 778 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,200 HERE'S A CHECK. 779 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,767 OE DAY, HERE'S MY CARD. 780 00:25:21,767 --> 00:25:22,867 GO GET THIS. 781 00:25:22,867 --> 00:25:30,767 ONE DAY -- IT WAS NO, NO SET -- 782 00:25:30,767 --> 00:25:32,867 SHE SAID I'M GOING TO PAY RENTAL 783 00:25:32,867 --> 00:25:33,667 OR PAY YOUR CAR. 784 00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:36,200 >> JURORS WATCHED AS DETECTIVE 785 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,067 KOHL FOR THE FIRST TIME SHARED 786 00:25:38,067 --> 00:25:40,433 LYNN'S AUTOPSY RESULTS WITH 787 00:25:40,433 --> 00:25:40,633 JESSY. 788 00:25:40,633 --> 00:25:43,567 >> THERE'S AN ANOMALY IN HER 789 00:25:43,567 --> 00:25:43,867 TOXICOLOGY. 790 00:25:43,867 --> 00:25:45,633 A DRUG IN HER SYSTEM THAT'S NOT 791 00:25:45,633 --> 00:25:46,433 SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. 792 00:25:46,433 --> 00:25:47,700 >> WHAT WOULD THAT BE? 793 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:48,733 >> IT IS CALLED 794 00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:49,133 TETRAHYDROZOLINE. 795 00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:49,833 >> WHAT IS THAT? 796 00:25:49,833 --> 00:25:52,567 >> COMMONLY KNOWN AS EYEDROPS. 797 00:25:52,567 --> 00:25:54,133 >> SHE USED EYEDROPS ALL THE 798 00:25:54,133 --> 00:25:54,533 TIME. 799 00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:56,167 >> WHAT DID SHE USE THEM FOR? 800 00:25:56,167 --> 00:25:57,267 >> FOR HER EYES. 801 00:25:57,267 --> 00:26:01,167 SHE PUT THEM IN HER EYES ALL THE 802 00:26:01,167 --> 00:26:01,367 TIME. 803 00:26:01,367 --> 00:26:02,867 >> WHAT KILLED HER IS THE 804 00:26:02,867 --> 00:26:03,133 EYEDROPS. 805 00:26:03,133 --> 00:26:04,400 >> ARE YOU SERIOUS? 806 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,833 >> IN THE INTERVIEW HE TOLD 807 00:26:05,833 --> 00:26:07,133 JESSY THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER 808 00:26:07,133 --> 00:26:08,633 THOUGHT SOMEONE GAVE THE 809 00:26:08,633 --> 00:26:10,200 EYEDROPS TO LYNN ORALLY IN AN 810 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,867 ATTEMPT TO KILL HER. 811 00:26:11,867 --> 00:26:13,333 >> DO YOU THINK I MURDERED HER? 812 00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:13,833 >> DID YOU? 813 00:26:13,833 --> 00:26:16,967 >> I SWEAR TO GOD I DIDN'T. 814 00:26:16,967 --> 00:26:18,333 >> YOU HAD THE MOST TO GAIN ON 815 00:26:18,333 --> 00:26:18,533 THIS. 816 00:26:18,533 --> 00:26:19,933 >> I HAVE NO REASON TO MURDER 817 00:26:19,933 --> 00:26:20,200 HER. 818 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,600 I DIDN'T GIVE HER ANYTHING. 819 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,533 I DIDN'T GIVE HER THE EYEDROP OR 820 00:26:24,533 --> 00:26:25,967 WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. 821 00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:28,333 >> BUT DETECTIVES SAY JESSY KNEW 822 00:26:28,333 --> 00:26:30,933 ALL ABOUT TETRAHYDROZOLINE. 823 00:26:30,933 --> 00:26:33,300 SHE TOLD HER BOYFRIEND SCOTT IN 824 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:34,800 TEXT MESSAGES, SOMEONE HAD PUT 825 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,767 IT IN HER DRINK WHEN SHE WAS AT 826 00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:40,067 A BAR ABOUT THREE MONTHS AFTER 827 00:26:40,067 --> 00:26:41,967 LYNN'S DEATH. 828 00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:44,900 DETECTIVE HOPPE READ THE TEXTS 829 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:46,133 IN COURT. 830 00:26:46,133 --> 00:26:48,333 >> JESSY TOLD SCOTT, SCOTT, I 831 00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:49,467 DON'T FEEL GOOD. 832 00:26:49,467 --> 00:26:51,367 >> SCOTT TOLD DETECTIVES, JESSY 833 00:26:51,367 --> 00:26:53,167 SAID SHE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL. 834 00:26:53,167 --> 00:26:54,200 >> SHE SAID MY BLOOD PRESSURE IS 835 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,300 REALLY BAD. 836 00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:56,233 I HAVE TRACES OF 837 00:26:56,233 --> 00:26:58,200 TETRAHYDROZOLINE IN MY BLOOD. 838 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,400 THE DOCTOR SAID THAT'S THE MAIN 839 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,267 INGREDIENT IN EYEDROPS. 840 00:27:02,267 --> 00:27:03,900 HE SAID THAT PEOPLE PUT IT IN 841 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:05,767 PEOPLE'S DRINKS ALL THE TIME. 842 00:27:05,767 --> 00:27:07,733 HE SAID THERE'S NO TASTE TO IT 843 00:27:07,733 --> 00:27:11,067 AND PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE. 844 00:27:11,067 --> 00:27:12,467 >> JESSY ALSO TELLS SCOTT IN 845 00:27:12,467 --> 00:27:14,100 THOSE TEXT MESSAGES THAT PEOPLE 846 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,400 CAN DIE FROM TETRAHYDROZOLINE 847 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:29,567 POISONING. 848 00:27:29,567 --> 00:27:31,500 >>> DETECTIVE HOPPE, I THINK YOU 849 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,100 TESTIFIED YOU SPOKE AGAIN WITH 850 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:34,800 MISS KURCZEWSKI? 851 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,733 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 852 00:27:35,733 --> 00:27:37,800 >> ON DAY NINE OF THE TRIAL, THE 853 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,567 JURY WATCHED VIDEO OF ANOTHER 854 00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:41,633 INTERVIEW BETWEEN JESSY AND 855 00:27:41,633 --> 00:27:41,933 DETECTIVES. 856 00:27:41,933 --> 00:27:43,867 THIS ONE TOOK PLACE THE DAY 857 00:27:43,867 --> 00:27:48,233 AFTER SHE WAS ARRESTED ONLY 858 00:27:48,233 --> 00:27:48,467 PAROLE. 859 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:51,367 SHE ASKED TO SPEAK TO DETECTIVES 860 00:27:51,367 --> 00:27:53,833 AGAIN. 861 00:27:53,833 --> 00:27:54,867 >> I WASSEDING OF EVERYTHING AND 862 00:27:54,867 --> 00:27:55,167 ANYTHING. 863 00:27:55,167 --> 00:27:56,267 >> AFTER SPENDING HER FIRST 864 00:27:56,267 --> 00:27:58,567 NIGHT IN JAIL, JESSY'S CLOTHING 865 00:27:58,567 --> 00:28:00,367 THAT CHANGED AND SO HAD HER 866 00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:00,800 STORY. 867 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,067 RIGHT AFTER HER ARREST, JESSY 868 00:28:03,067 --> 00:28:04,967 HAD TOLD DETECTIVES THAT LYNN 869 00:28:04,967 --> 00:28:07,633 USED EYEDROPS FOR DRY EYES. 870 00:28:07,633 --> 00:28:10,167 NOW, JESSY TOLD DETECTIVE HOPPE 871 00:28:10,167 --> 00:28:12,067 THAT LYNN HAD ANOTHER USE FOR 872 00:28:12,067 --> 00:28:12,300 IT. 873 00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:15,367 >> SHE WAS DRINKING VODKA AND 874 00:28:15,367 --> 00:28:15,600 VISINE. 875 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,867 >> DURING THE SECOND DAY OF 876 00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:22,500 INTERVIEWS, THE JURY HEARD JESSY 877 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,833 TELL THEM THAT LYNN DID DRINK 878 00:28:24,833 --> 00:28:25,733 VISINE. 879 00:28:25,733 --> 00:28:28,800 >> HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE MIXED IT 880 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,167 WITH HER VODKA? 881 00:28:29,167 --> 00:28:30,567 >> BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE DID. 882 00:28:30,567 --> 00:28:33,067 >> WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US 883 00:28:33,067 --> 00:28:33,433 YESTERDAY? 884 00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:36,133 >> I DIDN'T WANT TO TELL YOU 885 00:28:36,133 --> 00:28:36,767 GUYS. 886 00:28:36,767 --> 00:28:38,067 YOU MADE IT SOUNDED LIKE SHE WAS 887 00:28:38,067 --> 00:28:40,167 DOING IT THE DAY OFF. 888 00:28:40,167 --> 00:28:43,067 >> SHE SAID SHE NEVER GAVE HER 889 00:28:43,067 --> 00:28:44,767 ANY VISINE. 890 00:28:44,767 --> 00:28:47,067 >> NEVER. 891 00:28:47,067 --> 00:28:49,800 >> SHE PUT VISINE IN HER VODKA. 892 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,467 >> SLEGS INTO DETAIL ABOUT HOW 893 00:28:51,467 --> 00:28:54,200 LYNN WANTED TO DIE BY SUICIDE. 894 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,833 THAT LYNN WAS USING THE EYEDROPS 895 00:28:55,833 --> 00:28:58,500 TO HELP HER DIE BY SUICIDE. 896 00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:00,067 >> SHE WAS LOOKING FOR HER WAY 897 00:29:00,067 --> 00:29:00,367 OUT. 898 00:29:00,367 --> 00:29:03,067 >> JESSY VEHEMENTLY DENIED 899 00:29:03,067 --> 00:29:04,167 HELPING LYNN DIED. 900 00:29:04,167 --> 00:29:07,567 >> I NEVER MIXED IT. 901 00:29:07,567 --> 00:29:07,933 I SWEAR TO GOD. 902 00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:09,300 I BOUGHT IT TO HOME RUN AND I 903 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:10,800 KNEW SHE WAS MIXING IT. 904 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,067 SHE PUT IN IT HER VODKA ONCE IN 905 00:29:14,067 --> 00:29:14,667 A WHILE. 906 00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:16,333 >> THE FOLLOWING DAY JESSY ASKED 907 00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:18,700 TO SPEAK TO DETECTIVES YET 908 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:18,900 AGAIN. 909 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:20,600 THE THIRD TIME IN THREE DAYS. 910 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,333 THE JURY WATCHED AS JESSY HAD A 911 00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:24,067 NEW REVELATION FOR THE 912 00:29:24,067 --> 00:29:24,367 INVESTIGATORS. 913 00:29:24,367 --> 00:29:26,167 >> JESSY TELLS DETECTIVES THAT 914 00:29:26,167 --> 00:29:28,267 LYNN WOULD GET A BUZZ OFF 915 00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:30,200 DRINKING VISINE. 916 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,500 >> SHE SAID SHE LOST THE FEELING 917 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:32,533 OF HER BODY. 918 00:29:32,533 --> 00:29:33,633 IT MADE HER FEEL GOOD. 919 00:29:33,633 --> 00:29:35,333 AND SHE WAS DOING IT FOR SO 920 00:29:35,333 --> 00:29:35,533 LONG. 921 00:29:35,533 --> 00:29:36,733 I DIDN'T THINK SHE WOULD DIE 922 00:29:36,733 --> 00:29:37,267 FROM IT. 923 00:29:37,267 --> 00:29:38,367 I REALLY DIDN'T. 924 00:29:38,367 --> 00:29:39,433 I THOUGHT SHE IS GETTING SOME 925 00:29:39,433 --> 00:29:40,533 SLEEP FROM IT. 926 00:29:40,533 --> 00:29:41,700 SHE WAS DOING IT FOR TWO MONTHS 927 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:42,433 AT LEAST. 928 00:29:42,433 --> 00:29:43,667 >> DOING WHAT? 929 00:29:43,667 --> 00:29:44,567 >> THE VISINE. 930 00:29:44,567 --> 00:29:47,133 >> AND JESSY NOW SAID THAT LYNN 931 00:29:47,133 --> 00:29:49,867 DID DRINK VISINE THE DAY SHE 932 00:29:49,867 --> 00:29:50,367 DIED. 933 00:29:50,367 --> 00:29:51,567 JESSY CLAIMED WHEN SHE VISITED 934 00:29:51,567 --> 00:29:54,267 LYNN THAT MORNING, JESSY KNEW 935 00:29:54,267 --> 00:29:56,967 LYNN HAD POURED SIX BOTTLES OF 936 00:29:56,967 --> 00:29:59,467 VISINE INTO HER OWN WATER 937 00:29:59,467 --> 00:29:59,767 BOTTLE. 938 00:29:59,767 --> 00:30:02,133 >> THAT BOTTLE RIGHT THERE HAD 939 00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:02,667 SIX VISINES. 940 00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:04,067 I DIDN'T PUT IT IN THERE. 941 00:30:04,067 --> 00:30:05,900 I GAVE HER THE BOTTLE OF WATER. 942 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:07,300 >> WHICH IS THE ONE YOU KNOW HAS 943 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,367 SIX BOTTLES OF VISINE IN IT. 944 00:30:09,367 --> 00:30:12,233 BECAUSE SHE TOLD YOU. 945 00:30:12,233 --> 00:30:13,433 AND YOU GAVE IT TO HER. 946 00:30:13,433 --> 00:30:15,167 >> WE ARGUED ABOUT IT. 947 00:30:15,167 --> 00:30:17,233 >> JESSY SAID SHE SPENT TEN 948 00:30:17,233 --> 00:30:18,400 MINUTES TRYING TO STOP LYNN. 949 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,033 >> SHE SAID I WANT THAT BOTTLE 950 00:30:20,033 --> 00:30:20,633 OF WATER. 951 00:30:20,633 --> 00:30:22,067 IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP. 952 00:30:22,067 --> 00:30:23,267 >> AND YOU GAVE IN. 953 00:30:23,267 --> 00:30:24,500 >> HER CHOICE. 954 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:25,033 WHAT SHE WANTED. 955 00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:26,500 >> AND THEN YOU LEFT. 956 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:27,300 >> YEP. 957 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,267 >> HOURS LATER, DETECTIVES 958 00:30:30,267 --> 00:30:32,400 ALLEGE JESSY OPEN THAT JCPENNEY 959 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,467 CARD IN LYNN'S NAME AND WENT 960 00:30:34,467 --> 00:30:35,600 GROCERY SHOPPING. 961 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,633 >> I DIDN'T DO IT TO HER. 962 00:30:39,633 --> 00:30:41,000 I DIDN'T. 963 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,367 >> IT WOULD BE 23 MONTHS LATER 964 00:30:44,367 --> 00:30:45,900 THAT JESSY KURCZEWSKI WAS 965 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,733 CHARGED WITH LYNN'S DEATH. 966 00:30:48,733 --> 00:30:50,367 >> DOES THE STATE HAVE ANY OTHER 967 00:30:50,367 --> 00:30:51,200 WITNESSES TO CALL? 968 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,367 >> NO. 969 00:30:52,367 --> 00:30:53,567 THE STATE RESTS. 970 00:30:53,567 --> 00:30:56,367 >> WHEN IT WAS THE DEFENSE'S 971 00:30:56,367 --> 00:30:58,500 TURN, JESSY'S ATTORNEYS FOCUSED 972 00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,367 ALMOST SOLELY ON THE CLAIM THAT 973 00:31:00,367 --> 00:31:03,400 LYNN DIED BY SUICIDE BY DRINKING 974 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:03,733 VISINE. 975 00:31:03,733 --> 00:31:08,167 >> WE WOULD CALL GARY VERDIN. 976 00:31:08,167 --> 00:31:12,267 >> VERDIN, A FRIEND OF JESSY'S 977 00:31:12,267 --> 00:31:12,867 MOTHER. 978 00:31:12,867 --> 00:31:14,867 EMHE HAD BEEN IN LYNN'S CONDO 979 00:31:14,867 --> 00:31:15,100 TWICE. 980 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,400 THE SECOND TIME ABOUT A YEAR 981 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,233 BEFORE HER DEATH. 982 00:31:17,233 --> 00:31:21,700 YET HIS MEMORY OF THE VISIT WAS 983 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:21,967 CLEAR. 984 00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:23,933 >> I SAW HER ALWAYS SITTING IN 985 00:31:23,933 --> 00:31:27,300 THIS CHAIR, WITH A TABLE NEXT TO 986 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:27,600 HER. 987 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,867 SHE HAD A WHITE SLURPY CUP WITH 988 00:31:29,867 --> 00:31:31,600 A STRAW COMING OUT OF IT. 989 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,500 SHE HAD A BOTTLE OF VODKA NEXT 990 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,100 TO IT. 991 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,433 SHE HAD AN ASHTRAY, HER 992 00:31:37,433 --> 00:31:39,600 CIGARETTES, AND A BOTTLE OF 993 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:39,833 VISINE. 994 00:31:39,833 --> 00:31:41,300 >> ARE YOU SURE IT'S VISINE? 995 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:42,967 >> YES. 996 00:31:42,967 --> 00:31:44,833 >> VERDIN TESTIFIED ON ANOTHER 997 00:31:44,833 --> 00:31:46,800 OCCASION, HE HEARD LYNN ON 998 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,100 SPEAKER PHONE WHEN HE VISITED 999 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:52,067 JESSY'S MOTHER JENNIFER. 1000 00:31:52,067 --> 00:31:54,367 >> JUST STARTED RAMBLING OFF. 1001 00:31:54,367 --> 00:31:57,800 SHE WAS EITHER SLEEPY OR TIRED 1002 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,133 OR WHATEVER. 1003 00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:03,500 SHE WAS RATTLING OFF ABOUT THE 1004 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:03,867 WILL. 1005 00:32:03,867 --> 00:32:05,133 AND SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT 1006 00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:07,633 HOW SHE WANTED TO KILL HERSELF. 1007 00:32:07,633 --> 00:32:09,767 >> THE DEFENSE CALLS -- 1008 00:32:09,767 --> 00:32:12,067 >> SARAH IS A NURSE PRACTITIONER 1009 00:32:12,067 --> 00:32:14,267 WHO BEGAN TREATING LYNN FOR BACK 1010 00:32:14,267 --> 00:32:16,933 PAIN IN 2017. 1011 00:32:16,933 --> 00:32:18,800 DESPITE PRESCRIBING SEVERAL PAIN 1012 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,867 MEDICATIONS FOR HER, TROMP SAID 1013 00:32:21,867 --> 00:32:24,600 LYNN DID NOT IMPROVE. 1014 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,733 >> ON THE 18th OF JANUARY, SHE 1015 00:32:27,733 --> 00:32:28,700 CONTINUES TO COMPLAIN ABOUT HER 1016 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:30,600 BACK PAIN. 1017 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:30,833 >> YES. 1018 00:32:30,833 --> 00:32:32,533 >> THE PAIN BEING WORSENING? 1019 00:32:32,533 --> 00:32:34,800 >> YES. 1020 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,400 >> FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST LINDSEY 1021 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,833 THOMAS WAS HIRED BY THE DEFENSE. 1022 00:32:37,833 --> 00:32:39,767 >> I WOULD SAY HER PAST MEDICAL 1023 00:32:39,767 --> 00:32:43,100 HISTORY WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT. 1024 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:48,067 SHE HAD A VERY LONG LIST OF 1025 00:32:48,067 --> 00:32:49,500 MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND ALSO HAD 1026 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:52,067 QUITE A FEW PSYCHIATRIC 1027 00:32:52,067 --> 00:32:53,500 DISORDERS. 1028 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,267 DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, 1029 00:32:56,267 --> 00:32:58,700 AGORAPHOBIA, WHICH IS FEAR OF 1030 00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:59,700 PUBLIC PLACES. 1031 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,067 CHRONIC INSOMNIA. 1032 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:03,367 THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE 1033 00:33:03,367 --> 00:33:05,733 LISTED IN HER MEDICAL RECORDS. 1034 00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:06,933 >> DR. THOMAS TESTIFIED SHE 1035 00:33:06,933 --> 00:33:08,800 AGREED WITH THE STATE'S 1036 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,567 CONCLUSION THAT LYNN'S MEDICAL 1037 00:33:10,567 --> 00:33:12,633 PROBLEMS CONTRIBUTED TO HER 1038 00:33:12,633 --> 00:33:12,900 DEATH. 1039 00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:14,767 SHE DID NOT AGREE WITH THE 1040 00:33:14,767 --> 00:33:17,067 STATE'S FINDING THAT LYNN DIED 1041 00:33:17,067 --> 00:33:19,633 FROM TETRAHYDROZOLINE POISONING. 1042 00:33:19,633 --> 00:33:20,867 >> THE FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST THAT 1043 00:33:20,867 --> 00:33:22,533 THE DEFENSE BROUGHT UP SAID 1044 00:33:22,533 --> 00:33:24,167 LYNN'S CAUSE OF DEATH WAS 1045 00:33:24,167 --> 00:33:26,300 UNDETERMINED BUT SHE BELIEVED IT 1046 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,167 WAS MIXED DRUG TOXICITY. 1047 00:33:28,167 --> 00:33:30,067 THAT MEAN SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A 1048 00:33:30,067 --> 00:33:30,633 COMBINATION OF ALL THE DRUGS 1049 00:33:30,633 --> 00:33:33,567 FOUND IN LYNN'S SYSTEM. 1050 00:33:33,567 --> 00:33:35,133 >> WOULD YOU SAY THAT THERE IS 1051 00:33:35,133 --> 00:33:38,767 STRONG EVIDENCE HERE THAT LYNN 1052 00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:40,533 HERNAN'S DEATH WAS A SUICIDE? 1053 00:33:40,533 --> 00:33:42,100 >> I WOULD SAY THERE IS STRONG 1054 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,467 EVIDENCE THAT IT CERTAINLY COULD 1055 00:33:43,467 --> 00:33:45,933 HAVE BEEN A SUICIDE, YES. 1056 00:33:45,933 --> 00:33:49,267 >> AS THE DEFENSE CONCLUDED, 1057 00:33:49,267 --> 00:33:51,867 JUDGE JENNIFER DOROW ASKED JESSY 1058 00:33:51,867 --> 00:33:53,133 IF SHE WOULD BE TAKING THE 1059 00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:53,367 STAND. 1060 00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:54,367 >> WHAT WAS THAT DECISION? 1061 00:33:54,367 --> 00:33:55,867 >> IT WAS VERY HARD FOR ME TO 1062 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,267 DECIDE BUT ULTIMATELY I WILL NOT 1063 00:33:58,267 --> 00:34:01,500 BE TESTIFYING. 1064 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,133 >> IN HER CLOSING ARGUMENT -- 1065 00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:05,867 >> MISS KURCZEWSKI'S INTENT WAS 1066 00:34:05,867 --> 00:34:06,133 CLEAR. 1067 00:34:06,133 --> 00:34:07,933 IT WAS TO KILL. 1068 00:34:07,933 --> 00:34:09,533 >> DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY 1069 00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:11,367 ABBEY NICKOLIE SAID JESSY HAD 1070 00:34:11,367 --> 00:34:12,667 JUST ONE MOTIVE. 1071 00:34:12,667 --> 00:34:12,867 MONEY. 1072 00:34:12,867 --> 00:34:15,533 >> AND THE MOTIVE IS HER OWN 1073 00:34:15,533 --> 00:34:16,333 PERSONAL BENEFIT. 1074 00:34:16,333 --> 00:34:18,967 THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS PROFITED 1075 00:34:18,967 --> 00:34:22,800 OVER $144,000 BEFORE DEATH, AND 1076 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,600 OVER $80,000 AFTER. 1077 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,132 >> IN HER CLOSING -- 1078 00:34:26,132 --> 00:34:27,833 >> THE STATE HAS NOT PROVEN 1079 00:34:27,833 --> 00:34:29,233 FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL 1080 00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:29,800 HOMICIDE. 1081 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,833 >> THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY DONNA 1082 00:34:34,833 --> 00:34:35,933 CUPLER MAINTAIN THAT HAD SHE 1083 00:34:35,933 --> 00:34:38,067 TOOK HER OWN LIFE. 1084 00:34:38,067 --> 00:34:40,833 >> JESSY KNEW SHE WOULD TAKE 1085 00:34:40,833 --> 00:34:42,132 VISINE AND DRINK IT. 1086 00:34:42,132 --> 00:34:43,132 SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW SHE DIED 1087 00:34:43,132 --> 00:34:43,933 THAT DAY. 1088 00:34:43,933 --> 00:34:46,199 IT LOOKED LIKE A SUICIDE WITH 1089 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,199 PILLS FROM A PERSON WHO WAS 1090 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:48,467 UNHAPPY. 1091 00:34:48,467 --> 00:34:49,933 >> AS FOR THE ALLEGATIONS THAT 1092 00:34:49,933 --> 00:34:53,067 JESSY STOLE FROM LYNN -- 1093 00:34:53,067 --> 00:34:55,567 >> LYNN GAVE JESSY MONEY ALL THE 1094 00:34:55,567 --> 00:34:56,733 TIME BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO. 1095 00:34:56,733 --> 00:34:58,267 >> THE DEFENSE CONTENDED THAT 1096 00:34:58,267 --> 00:34:59,633 LYNN GAVE JESSY THE MONEY 1097 00:34:59,633 --> 00:35:00,933 BECAUSE SHE KNEW SHE WAS GOING 1098 00:35:00,933 --> 00:35:02,433 TO END HER OWN LIFE. 1099 00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:05,700 >> SHE WANTED JESSY TO HAVE IT. 1100 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:07,200 SHE KNOW SHE'S GOING OUT. 1101 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,633 AND LYNN MADE A DECISION. 1102 00:35:08,633 --> 00:35:10,867 SHE MADE A DECISION THAT SHE WAS 1103 00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:12,600 GOING TO EXIT. 1104 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,867 AND SHE DID THAT ON OCTOBER 3rd 1105 00:35:16,867 --> 00:35:19,933 ONCE JESSY HAD LEFT THE HOME. 1106 00:35:19,933 --> 00:35:22,833 >> IN ITS REBUTTAL, THE 1107 00:35:22,833 --> 00:35:23,667 PROSECUTION PUSHED BACK. 1108 00:35:23,667 --> 00:35:26,833 >> TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WS A 1109 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:27,767 SUICIDE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO 1110 00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:30,667 BELIEVE THAT BY THE MOST COSMIC 1111 00:35:30,667 --> 00:35:32,533 INTERVENTION IN THE ENTIRE 1112 00:35:32,533 --> 00:35:35,133 WORLD, IT HAPPENED AT THE EXACT 1113 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,067 POINT IN TIME WHEN MISS 1114 00:35:38,067 --> 00:35:41,067 KURCZEWSKI MAXIMIZED THE AMOUNT 1115 00:35:41,067 --> 00:35:43,533 OF MONEY THAT SHE MADE ON THIS 1116 00:35:43,533 --> 00:35:46,833 WHOLE ORDEAL. 1117 00:35:46,833 --> 00:35:48,333 >> THE JURY DELIBERATED FOR 1118 00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:50,300 SEVEN HOURS THE FIRST DAY, BUT 1119 00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:51,767 DID NOT REACH A VERDICT. 1120 00:35:51,767 --> 00:35:53,600 >> VERDICT WATCH FOR THIS CASE 1121 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,500 WAS TENSE. 1122 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,067 WHEN THE JURY BEGAN TO 1123 00:35:56,067 --> 00:35:57,867 DELIBERATE INTO A SECOND DAY, 1124 00:35:57,867 --> 00:35:58,900 THERE WAS SOME WONDER. 1125 00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,933 >> THAT'S WHEN I GOT WORRIED. 1126 00:36:01,933 --> 00:36:03,600 I WAS WONDERING, WHAT'S THE 1127 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:19,633 HOLD-UP? 1128 00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:23,700 >>> MADAM FLOOR PERSON, HAS THE 1129 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:24,567 JURY REACHED THEIR VERDICT? 1130 00:36:24,567 --> 00:36:25,400 >> YES. 1131 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,933 >> ON NOVEMBER 14, OF 2023, 1132 00:36:27,933 --> 00:36:30,867 AFTER TEN AND A HALF HOURS OF 1133 00:36:30,867 --> 00:36:32,567 DELIBERATION, JESSY KURCZEWSKI 1134 00:36:32,567 --> 00:36:35,833 STEADIED HERSELF AS JUDGE 1135 00:36:35,833 --> 00:36:37,600 JENNIFER DOROW READ THE JURY'S 1136 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:37,867 VERDICTS. 1137 00:36:37,867 --> 00:36:41,100 >> WE THE JURY FIND THE 1138 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,600 DEFENDANT JESSY R. KURCZEWSKI 1139 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,400 GUILTY OF FIRST DEGREE 1140 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,400 INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE. 1141 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,633 >> JESSY BROKE DOWN AS THE JUDGE 1142 00:36:50,633 --> 00:36:50,900 CONTINUED. 1143 00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:54,533 >> JESSY WAS CRYING 1144 00:36:54,533 --> 00:36:55,367 UNCONTROLLAB 1145 00:36:55,367 --> 00:36:55,733 UNCONTROLLABLY. 1146 00:36:55,733 --> 00:36:56,400 >> KURCZEWSKI WAS ALSO CONVICTED 1147 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,900 ON THE TWO COUNTS OF FELONY 1148 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:00,300 THEFT FOR STEALING MONEY FROM 1149 00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:03,400 LYNN BEFORE AND AFTER SHE DIED. 1150 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,600 >> I WAS JUST OVERCOME WITH 1151 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:05,900 EMOTION. 1152 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:07,733 IT MAKES YOU REFLECT ON THE LAST 1153 00:37:07,733 --> 00:37:10,300 FIVE YEARS WITH LIES AND THE 1154 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:10,533 DECEIT. 1155 00:37:10,533 --> 00:37:12,067 >> BEFORE SENTENCING, THE CASE 1156 00:37:12,067 --> 00:37:14,467 TOOK A BIZARRE TURN. 1157 00:37:14,467 --> 00:37:17,733 WHEN AN ENVELOPE CONTAINING 37 1158 00:37:17,733 --> 00:37:19,700 PAGES OF THESE HAND WRITTEN 1159 00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:20,967 LETTERS AND DOCUMENTS WAS 1160 00:37:20,967 --> 00:37:23,400 RECEIVED BY A FRIEND OF JESSY'S, 1161 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,500 WHO THEN TURNED IT OVER TO THE 1162 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:26,967 SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 1163 00:37:26,967 --> 00:37:28,067 >> THE LETTER REQUESTS A FRIEND 1164 00:37:28,067 --> 00:37:30,767 OF JESSY TO FAKE EVIDENCE, 1165 00:37:30,767 --> 00:37:33,067 CREATE A VOICE RECORDING 1166 00:37:33,067 --> 00:37:34,167 PRETENDING TO BE LYNN HERNAN TO 1167 00:37:34,167 --> 00:37:35,767 SEND ALL OF THIS TO THE JUDGE IN 1168 00:37:35,767 --> 00:37:37,500 THIS CASE TO LOCAL MEDIA, EVEN 1169 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,267 TO THE GOVERNOR, TO TRY TO PROVE 1170 00:37:40,267 --> 00:37:41,233 JESSY'S INNOCENCE. 1171 00:37:41,233 --> 00:37:42,367 >> PROSECUTORS THAT THE 1172 00:37:42,367 --> 00:37:44,467 DOCUMENTS WERE WRITTEN BY 1173 00:37:44,467 --> 00:37:46,100 KURCZEWSKI ON THE BACK OF HER 1174 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,767 TRIAL NOTES, GIVING DIRECTIONS 1175 00:37:47,767 --> 00:37:50,367 TO HER FRIEND ON HOW TO 1176 00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:54,133 IMPERSONATE LYNN AND FABRIC ATE 1177 00:37:54,133 --> 00:37:55,733 MATERIALS AND SUBMIT THEM TO THE 1178 00:37:55,733 --> 00:37:56,533 COURT. 1179 00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:58,533 KURCZEWSKI ALLEGEDLY ASKED HER 1180 00:37:58,533 --> 00:38:01,100 FRIEND TO, QUOTE, MAKE A VOICE 1181 00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:02,533 TAPE PRETENDING TO BE LYNN, 1182 00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:06,400 WRITING, SHE HAS AN OLDER, RASPY 1183 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,200 FEMALE VOICE. 1184 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,600 KURCZEWSKI ALLEGEDLY DIRECTED 1185 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,600 HER FRIEND TO SAY, QUOTE, I 1186 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,067 CANNOT GO ON ANYMORE. 1187 00:38:12,067 --> 00:38:14,267 I CLOSE TO DRINK VISINE AND END 1188 00:38:14,267 --> 00:38:15,367 MY LIFE. 1189 00:38:15,367 --> 00:38:16,800 JESSY DENIED WRITING THE 1190 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,233 DOCUMENTS, AND THE SHERIFF'S 1191 00:38:18,233 --> 00:38:19,767 DEPARTMENT BEGAN AN 1192 00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:24,633 INVESTIGATION INTO THEIR ORIGIN. 1193 00:38:24,633 --> 00:38:26,100 AND THE RESULTS OF THAT 1194 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:27,900 INVESTIGATION WERE REVEALED ON 1195 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,333 APRIL 5th, 2024. 1196 00:38:30,333 --> 00:38:32,200 WHEN KURCZEWSKI WAS BACK IN 1197 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,533 JUDGE DOROW'S COURT FOR 1198 00:38:34,533 --> 00:38:34,833 SENTENCING. 1199 00:38:34,833 --> 00:38:36,733 >> ALL RISE. 1200 00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:38,400 >> PROSECUTORS PLAYED VIDEO 1201 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,167 RECORDED IN KURCZEWSKI'S BUNK 1202 00:38:40,167 --> 00:38:42,867 ROOM AT THE WAUKESHA COUNTY JAIL 1203 00:38:42,867 --> 00:38:45,100 A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE DOCUMENTS 1204 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,933 WERE TURNED OVER TO AUTHORITIES. 1205 00:38:46,933 --> 00:38:49,900 >> SO WHAT I'M PLAYING IS JAIL 1206 00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:52,400 VIDEO FROM MISS KURCZEWSKI'S 1207 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:52,600 POD. 1208 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,067 >> THEY SAID IT SHOWED 1209 00:38:54,067 --> 00:38:55,833 KURCZEWSKI PUTTING PAPERS INTO 1210 00:38:55,833 --> 00:38:57,467 AN ENVELOPE, LEAVING IT ON THE 1211 00:38:57,467 --> 00:38:59,567 BED OF ANOTHER INMATE WHO LATER 1212 00:38:59,567 --> 00:39:02,667 TAKES IT TO A MAIL DROP-OFF. 1213 00:39:02,667 --> 00:39:05,833 THE PROSECUTION SAID THIS PROVED 1214 00:39:05,833 --> 00:39:08,867 KURCZEWSKI WROTE THOSE 1215 00:39:08,867 --> 00:39:09,167 DOCUMENTS. 1216 00:39:09,167 --> 00:39:10,700 >> THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO 1217 00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:12,133 ADDRESS THE COURT. 1218 00:39:12,133 --> 00:39:13,233 WHAT IF ANYTHING WOULD YOU LIKE 1219 00:39:13,233 --> 00:39:14,967 TO SAY? 1220 00:39:14,967 --> 00:39:17,600 >> KURCZEWSKI AGAIN DENIED SHE 1221 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,300 WAS THE AUTHOR OF THOSE 1222 00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:19,567 DOCUMENTS. 1223 00:39:19,567 --> 00:39:21,300 SHE SPENT ALMOST TWO HOURS 1224 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:23,733 WITHOUT A BREAK PROCLAIMING HER 1225 00:39:23,733 --> 00:39:25,200 INNOCENCE, INSISTING THE ONLY 1226 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,600 THING SHE WAS GUILTY OF WAS 1227 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,867 BEING A LOYAL FRIEND. 1228 00:39:28,867 --> 00:39:32,567 >> LET'S BE VERY CLEAR HERE. 1229 00:39:32,567 --> 00:39:35,367 I DIDN'T COMMIT MURDER. 1230 00:39:35,367 --> 00:39:36,467 I DID NOT POISON LYNN, GIVE HER 1231 00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:37,433 PILLS OR ANYTHING ELSE. 1232 00:39:37,433 --> 00:39:40,900 IT IS A LOT TO BE CONVICTED OF 1233 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:42,133 MURDER WHEN I DIDN'T DO IT. 1234 00:39:42,133 --> 00:39:42,867 YOU'RE HOLDING ME RESPONSIBLE 1235 00:39:42,867 --> 00:39:45,633 FR WHAT SHE DID. 1236 00:39:45,633 --> 00:39:48,067 >> JUDGE DOROW SAID SHE BELIEVED 1237 00:39:48,067 --> 00:39:50,100 LYNN'S DEATH WAS PREMEDITATED. 1238 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,833 >> TETRAHYDROZOLINE WAS NOT 1239 00:39:52,833 --> 00:39:55,633 SOMETHING WE EXPECTED TO FIND. 1240 00:39:55,633 --> 00:39:58,467 AND I DO BELIEVE IT WAS 1241 00:39:58,467 --> 00:40:04,467 SOMETHING YOU, MISS KURCZEWSKI, 1242 00:40:04,467 --> 00:40:05,867 NO ONE TESTING FOR. 1243 00:40:05,867 --> 00:40:09,433 I HAVE TO ASK OUT LOUD. 1244 00:40:09,433 --> 00:40:12,300 IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION, BUT 1245 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:14,600 WERE YOU POISONING LYNN HERNAN 1246 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,100 ALL ALONG? 1247 00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:18,767 FOLLOWING YOUR RELEASE FROM 1248 00:40:18,767 --> 00:40:19,000 PRISON? 1249 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,533 >> NOPE. 1250 00:40:19,533 --> 00:40:21,800 >> I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER. 1251 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,967 THIS IS MY TIME. 1252 00:40:22,967 --> 00:40:25,000 SO DO NOT INTERRUPT ME. 1253 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,033 >> KURCZEWSKI WAS SENTENCED TO 1254 00:40:26,033 --> 00:40:28,733 LIFE IN PRISON ON THE 1255 00:40:28,733 --> 00:40:30,033 INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE CHARGE, AND 1256 00:40:30,033 --> 00:40:33,033 TEN YEARS FOR THE TWO THEFT 1257 00:40:33,033 --> 00:40:33,433 CHARGES. 1258 00:40:33,433 --> 00:40:35,600 THE SOONEST SHE COULD BE PAROLED 1259 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,200 WOULD BE AFTER 40 YEARS WHEN SHE 1260 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,433 WOULD BE NEARLY 80 YEARS OLD. 1261 00:40:42,433 --> 00:40:45,567 >> JESSY POISONED LYNN LIKE SHE 1262 00:40:45,567 --> 00:40:46,867 WAS A RODENT. 1263 00:40:46,867 --> 00:40:49,900 >> RELIGION HERNAN'S FRIEND JIM 1264 00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,233 KELLIHER HAD A FEW FINAL WORDS 1265 00:40:52,233 --> 00:40:53,633 FOR LYNN'S KILLER. 1266 00:40:53,633 --> 00:40:55,600 >> THE DEVIL AWAITS YOU. 1267 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,433 I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL. 1268 00:40:58,433 --> 00:41:00,067 LYNN HERNAN IS AN ANGEL IN 1269 00:41:00,067 --> 00:41:00,233 HEAVEN. 1270 00:41:00,233 --> 00:41:01,700 MAY YOU REST IN PEACE. 1271 00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:03,533 YOU'RE DEARLY MISSED AND ALWAYS 1272 00:41:03,533 --> 00:41:04,067 WILL BE. 1273 00:41:04,067 --> 00:41:05,300 I'M SO VERY SORRY. 1274 00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:11,267 GOD BLESS.