1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,038 [THEME MUSIC] 2 00:00:10,015 --> 00:00:11,067 There is good, and there is evil. 3 00:00:14,072 --> 00:00:18,035 And that night, evil came to play. 4 00:00:18,035 --> 00:00:21,055 [MUSIC PLAYING] 5 00:00:23,050 --> 00:00:25,039 We got a good one here. 6 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:28,021 We got a call about a woman being under water 7 00:00:28,021 --> 00:00:30,064 for a minute or two. 8 00:00:30,064 --> 00:00:31,064 Don't touch nothing. 9 00:00:31,064 --> 00:00:32,089 No, no, leave that down there. 10 00:00:32,089 --> 00:00:34,009 Don't touch nothing. 11 00:00:34,009 --> 00:00:36,079 Her boyfriend said he walked out in the woods. 12 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:40,042 And when he come back, well, she was propped up in the hot tub, 13 00:00:40,042 --> 00:00:42,060 and she was not breathing. 14 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:43,072 And tell me her name again. 15 00:00:43,072 --> 00:00:45,025 Marianne Shockley. 16 00:00:45,025 --> 00:00:46,030 Marianne? 17 00:00:46,030 --> 00:00:47,089 Last name Shockley? 18 00:00:47,089 --> 00:00:52,095 We got out, and she got a big old gash on her head. 19 00:00:52,095 --> 00:00:53,062 I'm telling you. 20 00:00:53,062 --> 00:00:55,075 The hair on the back of my neck is standing up. 21 00:00:55,075 --> 00:00:58,046 Something ain't right with this. 22 00:00:58,046 --> 00:00:59,029 What's your name? 23 00:00:59,029 --> 00:01:00,040 Marcus Lillard. 24 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,060 I'm Marianne's boyfriend. 25 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:05,024 I talked to her every morning and every night. 26 00:01:05,024 --> 00:01:08,035 She was my hero because she was so intelligent. 27 00:01:08,035 --> 00:01:10,006 My name is Dr. Marianne Shockley. 28 00:01:10,006 --> 00:01:12,034 I'm an outreach entomologist, and I'm 29 00:01:12,034 --> 00:01:14,018 the director of the Insect Zoo. 30 00:01:14,018 --> 00:01:17,098 She was on the cutting edge of the industry. 31 00:01:17,098 --> 00:01:20,011 I absolutely looked up to her. 32 00:01:20,011 --> 00:01:24,010 As my big sister, I wanted to be her. 33 00:01:24,010 --> 00:01:27,052 We're going to rope it off and go from there. 34 00:01:27,052 --> 00:01:31,069 I want you to now take me to May 11, 2019. 35 00:01:31,069 --> 00:01:32,068 OK. 36 00:01:32,068 --> 00:01:35,099 Take me through the day, what happens. 37 00:01:35,099 --> 00:01:38,014 Well-- 38 00:01:38,014 --> 00:01:39,070 They went bar hopping. 39 00:01:39,070 --> 00:01:43,007 We had a couple of mimosas, and then we have a couple of shots. 40 00:01:43,007 --> 00:01:45,052 And then, they went out to the country club 41 00:01:45,052 --> 00:01:47,008 and had drinks there. 42 00:01:47,008 --> 00:01:48,058 I'm Penny Dearmin. 43 00:01:48,058 --> 00:01:50,050 This is Blood Town. 44 00:01:50,050 --> 00:01:56,008 I created the podcast about the Marianne Shockley case. 45 00:01:56,008 --> 00:01:58,021 They were having a really fun night. 46 00:01:58,021 --> 00:02:02,011 At this point, how many drinks do you think you've had? 47 00:02:02,011 --> 00:02:06,065 Oh-- I-- 48 00:02:06,065 --> 00:02:08,015 There was some communication about-- 49 00:02:08,015 --> 00:02:09,065 does somebody have a pool? 50 00:02:09,065 --> 00:02:13,058 Marcus knew that his friend Clark Heindel had a pool. 51 00:02:13,058 --> 00:02:15,019 Sir, can I get your name please? 52 00:02:15,019 --> 00:02:15,089 Clark. 53 00:02:15,089 --> 00:02:20,039 And they went over there at some point. 54 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:22,052 They like to have a few drinks. 55 00:02:22,052 --> 00:02:25,070 They brought some beer with them. 56 00:02:25,070 --> 00:02:27,044 Marcus and Marianne are in the hot tub, 57 00:02:27,044 --> 00:02:29,045 and they are enjoying themselves. 58 00:02:29,045 --> 00:02:32,048 What the hell happened after that? 59 00:02:32,048 --> 00:02:35,027 Marcus says that he went into the woods 60 00:02:35,027 --> 00:02:36,089 to gather some firewood. 61 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:39,074 As I dropped the wood off at the fireplace, 62 00:02:39,074 --> 00:02:42,065 I could see Marianne slumped down. 63 00:02:42,065 --> 00:02:47,049 He called out her name, and she did not respond. 64 00:02:47,049 --> 00:02:49,077 We started doing CPR. 65 00:02:49,077 --> 00:02:53,059 She was pronounced dead at the scene. 66 00:02:53,059 --> 00:02:57,062 My mother called me, and she said, Marianne's gone. 67 00:02:57,062 --> 00:03:01,021 I just fell to the ground, and I just was saying, no, Momma. 68 00:03:01,021 --> 00:03:02,086 No, no. 69 00:03:02,086 --> 00:03:06,025 And she was like, she's drowned in some hot tub. 70 00:03:06,025 --> 00:03:07,057 Marianne is not stupid. 71 00:03:07,057 --> 00:03:09,055 She would not drown in a hot tub. 72 00:03:09,055 --> 00:03:11,051 Something's funny with this one, buddy. 73 00:03:11,051 --> 00:03:13,027 It ain't adding up. 74 00:03:13,027 --> 00:03:15,037 I just knew that Marcus had killed her. 75 00:03:15,037 --> 00:03:16,036 I'm Carson Lillard. 76 00:03:16,036 --> 00:03:17,066 I'm Marcus's son. 77 00:03:17,066 --> 00:03:20,038 He's angry, and he's violent. 78 00:03:20,038 --> 00:03:22,066 Marcus is in a police car at this point. 79 00:03:22,066 --> 00:03:24,089 You're not under arrest or anything right now, OK? 80 00:03:24,089 --> 00:03:26,035 Where is Clark? 81 00:03:26,035 --> 00:03:27,076 He went into his house. 82 00:03:27,076 --> 00:03:28,090 Sheriff's Office. 83 00:03:28,090 --> 00:03:29,089 Sheriff's Office. 84 00:03:29,089 --> 00:03:34,069 And he shot himself to death. 85 00:03:34,069 --> 00:03:36,094 My very first thought was he had to have had something 86 00:03:36,094 --> 00:03:39,002 to do with this. 87 00:03:39,002 --> 00:03:41,020 Why would he kill himself? 88 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:43,075 There's something that he's hiding. 89 00:03:43,075 --> 00:03:45,096 I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. 90 00:03:45,096 --> 00:03:48,070 [MUSIC PLAYING] 91 00:03:48,070 --> 00:03:52,017 [THEME MUSIC] 92 00:04:34,096 --> 00:04:39,095 It was nearing 3:00 AM on Mother's Day, May 12, 2019. 93 00:04:39,095 --> 00:04:41,083 Sheriff's Office. 94 00:04:41,083 --> 00:04:44,031 That's when Baldwin County Sheriff deputies 95 00:04:44,031 --> 00:04:46,095 stormed into Clark Heindel's house 96 00:04:46,095 --> 00:04:50,066 and found he'd killed himself with a shotgun. 97 00:04:50,066 --> 00:04:52,074 We're going to need to get that gun away from him. 98 00:04:52,074 --> 00:04:54,060 His hand's still on it. 99 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:56,000 [BEEPING] 100 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,042 911. 101 00:04:57,042 --> 00:04:58,089 Yes, I need an ambulance. 102 00:04:58,089 --> 00:05:03,063 Only moments earlier, Clark had called 911, asking paramedics 103 00:05:03,063 --> 00:05:06,051 to come to his home in Milledgeville, Georgia, 104 00:05:06,051 --> 00:05:10,020 and the scene was captured on police bodycams. 105 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:13,083 Clark said a friend of his, college professor Marianne 106 00:05:13,083 --> 00:05:17,031 Shockley, had seemingly drowned in his hot tub. 107 00:05:17,031 --> 00:05:19,056 We've got to treat this like a crime scene. 108 00:05:19,056 --> 00:05:23,046 Within hours, Marianne's death was being investigated 109 00:05:23,046 --> 00:05:26,037 as a homicide, and authorities say 110 00:05:26,037 --> 00:05:30,021 they had two suspects, her boyfriend, Marcus Lillard, who 111 00:05:30,021 --> 00:05:34,029 was being held for questioning, and Clark, a longtime resident 112 00:05:34,029 --> 00:05:35,076 of Milledgeville. 113 00:05:35,076 --> 00:05:38,070 I think a lot of people do think that because Clark 114 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:44,037 Heindel killed himself, he had some kind of involvement. 115 00:05:44,037 --> 00:05:46,098 Today, we're recording on location in Milledgeville. 116 00:05:46,098 --> 00:05:48,087 This is season two-- 117 00:05:48,087 --> 00:05:51,095 Penny Dearmin investigated the case on her podcast. 118 00:05:51,095 --> 00:05:53,007 Today, we're recording on-- 119 00:05:53,007 --> 00:05:55,089 I'm doing this podcast because I need 120 00:05:55,089 --> 00:05:58,056 to know what happened to her. 121 00:05:58,056 --> 00:06:02,079 As it turns out, Penny had previously met Marcus. 122 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:06,042 I met Marcus when I purchased my truck. 123 00:06:06,042 --> 00:06:10,008 At the time, Marcus was working as a car and truck finance 124 00:06:10,008 --> 00:06:10,089 manager. 125 00:06:10,089 --> 00:06:14,043 And what was your impression during that transaction? 126 00:06:14,043 --> 00:06:15,082 He was very nice. 127 00:06:15,082 --> 00:06:18,036 He was very personable, making jokes, 128 00:06:18,036 --> 00:06:21,042 making me feel very comfortable, very at ease. 129 00:06:21,042 --> 00:06:24,079 And I liked him right away. 130 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:27,028 Pretty much everyone agrees that Marcus, 131 00:06:27,028 --> 00:06:30,052 who was married and divorced twice, was a charmer. 132 00:06:30,052 --> 00:06:35,036 But as Penny later learned, that charm came with a reputation. 133 00:06:35,036 --> 00:06:37,054 He was definitely known as a ladies' man. 134 00:06:37,054 --> 00:06:40,048 Everyone, regardless of what they thought of him, 135 00:06:40,048 --> 00:06:41,092 knew that about him. 136 00:06:41,092 --> 00:06:46,003 Somehow God continued to send women 137 00:06:46,003 --> 00:06:47,090 my way that were way too good for me. 138 00:06:47,090 --> 00:06:49,057 And I would date them, and I'd take them 139 00:06:49,057 --> 00:06:51,046 for granted one right after another. 140 00:06:51,046 --> 00:06:54,061 It was a steady pattern. 141 00:06:54,061 --> 00:06:58,027 He's the most charismatic person I've ever met. 142 00:06:58,027 --> 00:07:01,087 I mean, he's just got this kind of aura about him 143 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:03,049 that sucks people in. 144 00:07:03,049 --> 00:07:06,070 Carson is Marcus's 23-year-old son. 145 00:07:06,070 --> 00:07:09,013 Anywhere he wanted to go, there was a woman 146 00:07:09,013 --> 00:07:13,045 there that he could shack up with and stay with. 147 00:07:13,045 --> 00:07:17,032 And eventually, Marianne also fell under his spell. 148 00:07:17,032 --> 00:07:20,056 The two had met in the late '90s when they were students 149 00:07:20,056 --> 00:07:22,057 at Georgia College in Milledgeville 150 00:07:22,057 --> 00:07:25,036 and working at the same local restaurant. 151 00:07:25,036 --> 00:07:28,086 Was there a spark in that moment? 152 00:07:28,086 --> 00:07:30,038 No, I was a kid, man. 153 00:07:30,038 --> 00:07:34,049 I was probably 17, and she would have been 20. 154 00:07:34,049 --> 00:07:37,046 I was a little wormy guy. 155 00:07:37,046 --> 00:07:38,060 I thought he was fine. 156 00:07:38,060 --> 00:07:42,014 I mean, nothing stood out to me to be irregular about him. 157 00:07:42,014 --> 00:07:45,005 Ayla Crippen is Marianne's younger sister. 158 00:07:45,005 --> 00:07:48,029 She went to the same college as Marianne and Marcus. 159 00:07:48,029 --> 00:07:52,061 He dated one of my best friends and roommates at the time. 160 00:07:52,061 --> 00:07:54,000 They didn't date for very long. 161 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,064 She said she got a weird vibe from him. 162 00:07:55,064 --> 00:07:59,075 Marcus admits drugs got in the way of his college education, 163 00:07:59,075 --> 00:08:01,028 and he dropped out. 164 00:08:01,028 --> 00:08:05,049 I just thought life was a party, and I treated it as such. 165 00:08:05,049 --> 00:08:08,003 I never really thought about him again until Marianne started 166 00:08:08,003 --> 00:08:10,022 dating him two decades later. 167 00:08:10,022 --> 00:08:12,034 [MUSIC PLAYING] 168 00:08:12,034 --> 00:08:14,095 The year was 2017. 169 00:08:14,095 --> 00:08:17,081 Marcus was on the road in Athens, Georgia. 170 00:08:17,081 --> 00:08:21,076 He knew Marianne lived there, so he invited her to lunch. 171 00:08:21,076 --> 00:08:23,095 I was on my motorcycle. 172 00:08:23,095 --> 00:08:26,063 We took a trip around Athens. 173 00:08:26,063 --> 00:08:29,098 We went to her home away from home, the botanical gardens. 174 00:08:29,098 --> 00:08:33,035 [MUSIC PLAYING] 175 00:08:33,035 --> 00:08:36,061 The motorcycle ride, I mean, that was as romantic 176 00:08:36,061 --> 00:08:39,016 as you can get for lunchtime on a Wednesday. 177 00:08:39,016 --> 00:08:44,044 Some 20 years after they first met, Marcus says they clicked. 178 00:08:44,044 --> 00:08:49,084 We spent every possible moment together on the weekends. 179 00:08:49,084 --> 00:08:52,027 Marianne enjoyed Marcus's company 180 00:08:52,027 --> 00:08:56,023 so much that she brought him along as her assistant on trips 181 00:08:56,023 --> 00:08:58,022 to China and Ecuador. 182 00:08:58,022 --> 00:09:00,064 So this is a very serious relationship. 183 00:09:00,064 --> 00:09:02,005 Absolutely, yeah, yeah. 184 00:09:02,005 --> 00:09:06,030 We were super in love with each other. 185 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:07,099 To me, he was not relationship material. 186 00:09:07,099 --> 00:09:09,099 He's somebody that you go have a good time with, 187 00:09:09,099 --> 00:09:13,045 and then you'd send him on his way. 188 00:09:13,045 --> 00:09:15,046 Ayla says the relationship seemed 189 00:09:15,046 --> 00:09:17,083 to suit Marianne's busy lifestyle. 190 00:09:17,083 --> 00:09:20,008 She'd been married and divorced three times 191 00:09:20,008 --> 00:09:21,065 and had two children. 192 00:09:21,065 --> 00:09:24,028 She had a PhD and was a star professor 193 00:09:24,028 --> 00:09:26,053 at the University of Georgia, where she was known 194 00:09:26,053 --> 00:09:29,008 around campus as Doc Shock. 195 00:09:29,008 --> 00:09:33,070 Her specialty was entomology, the study of insects. 196 00:09:33,070 --> 00:09:37,087 We are going to talk about bugs. 197 00:09:37,087 --> 00:09:42,031 Marianne liked everything about insects, including their taste. 198 00:09:42,031 --> 00:09:43,099 Ants taste like citrus. 199 00:09:43,099 --> 00:09:46,036 Well, some green stink bugs taste like cinnamon. 200 00:09:46,036 --> 00:09:50,020 She embraced entomophagy, the eating of insects, 201 00:09:50,020 --> 00:09:53,050 and she believed bugs could be used as a protein source 202 00:09:53,050 --> 00:09:55,058 to help solve world hunger. 203 00:09:55,058 --> 00:09:56,083 So what do we have here? 204 00:09:56,083 --> 00:10:00,010 Today, we have cricket brownies. 205 00:10:00,010 --> 00:10:03,004 Shakara Maggitt was one of Marianne's students 206 00:10:03,004 --> 00:10:07,048 who became a true believer and something of a bug baker. 207 00:10:07,048 --> 00:10:10,021 At our request, she brought some samples. 208 00:10:10,021 --> 00:10:11,032 Let's dig in. 209 00:10:11,032 --> 00:10:12,052 Let's try it. 210 00:10:12,052 --> 00:10:14,086 You can put a few more crickets on mine. 211 00:10:14,086 --> 00:10:15,066 I'm not squeamish. 212 00:10:15,066 --> 00:10:16,042 OK. 213 00:10:16,042 --> 00:10:18,049 Here. 214 00:10:18,049 --> 00:10:19,015 To Marianne. 215 00:10:19,015 --> 00:10:20,005 To Marianne. 216 00:10:20,005 --> 00:10:23,029 [MUSIC PLAYING] 217 00:10:24,022 --> 00:10:26,021 Oh, and it's so moist. 218 00:10:26,021 --> 00:10:29,056 The brownie is perfectly cooked, perfectly baked, 219 00:10:29,056 --> 00:10:31,064 and the crickets add a little bit of added crunch. 220 00:10:31,064 --> 00:10:32,054 Yes. 221 00:10:32,054 --> 00:10:36,050 Shakara says she could tolerate eating bugs more 222 00:10:36,050 --> 00:10:38,066 than she could tolerate Marcus. 223 00:10:38,066 --> 00:10:40,089 I didn't particularly care for him. 224 00:10:40,089 --> 00:10:44,021 I couldn't really put my finger on it, but I didn't like him. 225 00:10:44,021 --> 00:10:46,034 Carson could relate. 226 00:10:46,034 --> 00:10:48,083 Nobody knows a father better than their own son. 227 00:10:48,083 --> 00:10:52,088 He had warned Marianne that Marcus had a Jekyll and Hyde 228 00:10:52,088 --> 00:10:56,045 personality, largely because of drugs. 229 00:10:56,045 --> 00:10:59,070 He was on cocaine my whole life. 230 00:10:59,070 --> 00:11:03,024 And he cautioned her to be careful. 231 00:11:03,024 --> 00:11:04,085 He's angry, and he's violent. 232 00:11:04,085 --> 00:11:07,091 And you're going to see it. 233 00:11:07,091 --> 00:11:11,075 If I could tell you anything, it would just be to get away. 234 00:11:11,075 --> 00:11:15,001 [MUSIC PLAYING] 235 00:11:27,026 --> 00:11:30,065 On the afternoon of May 11, 2019, 236 00:11:30,065 --> 00:11:34,016 Marcus and Marianne were in a celebratory mood. 237 00:11:34,016 --> 00:11:36,038 The college school year had just ended. 238 00:11:36,038 --> 00:11:38,061 And as seen in this surveillance footage, 239 00:11:38,061 --> 00:11:40,085 the couple went bar hopping in Milledgeville 240 00:11:40,085 --> 00:11:44,024 before heading over to Clark Heindel's house. 241 00:11:44,024 --> 00:11:47,051 Had a few beers, smoked a little pot, 242 00:11:47,051 --> 00:11:51,053 started to listen to some music, had a couple more beers. 243 00:11:51,053 --> 00:11:53,090 Marcus spoke to us from jail. 244 00:11:53,090 --> 00:11:57,005 He's been behind bars since Marianne's death. 245 00:11:57,005 --> 00:11:59,075 He told us about that night and how it all began 246 00:11:59,075 --> 00:12:02,099 as an impromptu jam session. 247 00:12:02,099 --> 00:12:06,005 Clark played the accordion, and Marcus tried his hand 248 00:12:06,005 --> 00:12:08,051 at the conga, just as they had done in the past. 249 00:12:11,007 --> 00:12:13,007 We had stepped down from his porch 250 00:12:13,007 --> 00:12:15,019 and were getting ready to leave. 251 00:12:15,019 --> 00:12:15,098 I said, hey, Clark. 252 00:12:15,098 --> 00:12:18,011 I heard you got some acid. 253 00:12:18,011 --> 00:12:20,078 He says, no, but I got some ecstasy. 254 00:12:20,078 --> 00:12:24,047 Marcus says all three of them took the ecstasy pills, 255 00:12:24,047 --> 00:12:27,098 a drug that makes users feel euphoric but can also 256 00:12:27,098 --> 00:12:32,022 cause anxiety and paranoia. 257 00:12:32,022 --> 00:12:35,005 What happened next? 258 00:12:35,005 --> 00:12:38,009 It got all fuzzy after that. 259 00:12:38,009 --> 00:12:40,031 I was so out of it I couldn't make a sentence. 260 00:12:40,031 --> 00:12:42,030 So I couldn't speak. 261 00:12:42,030 --> 00:12:45,065 But Marcus did later pieced together a timeline 262 00:12:45,065 --> 00:12:47,066 and told investigators that he thought 263 00:12:47,066 --> 00:12:51,071 he and Marianne got into the hot tub around 9:00 PM. 264 00:12:51,071 --> 00:12:55,034 Marcus said, at one point, he got out of the hot tub, 265 00:12:55,034 --> 00:12:58,052 and Marianne begged him not to leave. 266 00:12:58,052 --> 00:13:01,043 She says, baby, get back in this water with me right now. 267 00:13:01,043 --> 00:13:02,036 Was she afraid? 268 00:13:02,036 --> 00:13:04,028 Was she expressing any kind of concern? 269 00:13:04,028 --> 00:13:08,096 She had fear in her voice, and it was definitely fear. 270 00:13:08,096 --> 00:13:13,073 Marcus says it was not clear what Marianne was afraid of. 271 00:13:13,073 --> 00:13:17,032 Why, in that moment, did you not turn back? 272 00:13:17,032 --> 00:13:18,028 Because I'm an idiot. 273 00:13:18,028 --> 00:13:19,024 Leave that right there. 274 00:13:19,024 --> 00:13:20,080 Don't touch nothing. 275 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Marcus initially told deputies that he went into the woods 276 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,056 to collect firewood. 277 00:13:25,056 --> 00:13:28,062 I went over to get some wood to make firewood. 278 00:13:28,062 --> 00:13:30,028 I brought a whole bunch of stuff back. 279 00:13:30,028 --> 00:13:33,034 But he later said the real reason he went into the woods 280 00:13:33,034 --> 00:13:35,008 was that he was trying to recreate 281 00:13:35,008 --> 00:13:38,059 a scene from a documentary called The Last Shaman. 282 00:13:38,059 --> 00:13:41,079 [EERIE MUSIC] 283 00:13:41,079 --> 00:13:43,089 While on drugs, the lead character 284 00:13:43,089 --> 00:13:48,079 takes part in bizarre rituals, like being buried alive. 285 00:13:48,079 --> 00:13:52,014 I said, I'm going to the woods to dig a hole. 286 00:13:52,014 --> 00:13:56,031 Marcus says he went into the woods and simply laid down. 287 00:13:56,031 --> 00:13:59,076 For how long, he says he does not know. 288 00:13:59,076 --> 00:14:03,090 I can't remember anything past her saying, don't leave me. 289 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:08,073 What do you say to those who are hearing this story of a guy who 290 00:14:08,073 --> 00:14:14,040 has a history of drugs, who is claiming, "I blacked out?" 291 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,065 Convenient, it sounds like. 292 00:14:16,065 --> 00:14:17,067 The devil was at work. 293 00:14:17,067 --> 00:14:19,083 I mean, everything that he could have possibly 294 00:14:19,083 --> 00:14:22,056 done to line this thing up to make 295 00:14:22,056 --> 00:14:25,032 it confusing and deceitful. 296 00:14:25,032 --> 00:14:29,047 And it was all there. 297 00:14:29,047 --> 00:14:31,018 You emerge from the woods. 298 00:14:31,018 --> 00:14:34,072 What is the first thing you remember seeing, hearing? 299 00:14:34,072 --> 00:14:36,052 I didn't hear anything. 300 00:14:36,052 --> 00:14:40,099 I could see Marianne slumped down with her chin 301 00:14:40,099 --> 00:14:43,078 up to her nose under water. 302 00:14:43,078 --> 00:14:47,008 Deputies asked Clark where he was when Marianne 303 00:14:47,008 --> 00:14:49,075 was in the hot tub, and he says he stayed 304 00:14:49,075 --> 00:14:51,037 in the far end of the pool. 305 00:14:51,037 --> 00:14:55,013 I'm sitting down there, hanging out, swimming 306 00:14:55,013 --> 00:14:56,013 at that end of the pool. 307 00:14:56,013 --> 00:14:56,063 OK. 308 00:14:56,063 --> 00:14:57,031 Shallow end. 309 00:14:57,031 --> 00:14:58,045 And she's in that hot tub? 310 00:14:58,045 --> 00:15:00,097 Mm-hmm. 311 00:15:00,097 --> 00:15:06,019 Do you know at what point you noticed she wasn't visible? 312 00:15:06,019 --> 00:15:08,085 I never saw that she wasn't visible. 313 00:15:08,085 --> 00:15:12,046 But I got up, I guess, when he was coming back. 314 00:15:12,046 --> 00:15:15,076 Marcus says he pulled Marianne out of the hot tub 315 00:15:15,076 --> 00:15:18,004 and placed her on the pool deck. 316 00:15:18,004 --> 00:15:22,000 In doing so, Marcus admits dropping Marianne, who suffered 317 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,065 a gash to her forehead. 318 00:15:23,065 --> 00:15:27,085 At that point, he says, Clark walked over. 319 00:15:27,085 --> 00:15:31,003 And he actually said, should we call 911? 320 00:15:31,003 --> 00:15:32,023 And what did you say? 321 00:15:32,023 --> 00:15:34,018 I said, no, I think she'll be fine. 322 00:15:34,018 --> 00:15:36,073 But Marianne was not fine. 323 00:15:36,073 --> 00:15:39,082 That gash on her head bled profusely, 324 00:15:39,082 --> 00:15:42,049 and it appeared she was not breathing. 325 00:15:42,049 --> 00:15:46,030 Marcus and Clark say they took turns giving her CPR 326 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:48,082 but delayed calling 911. 327 00:15:48,082 --> 00:15:51,097 Maybe speak to some of the individuals that were present-- 328 00:15:51,097 --> 00:15:54,082 Podcaster Penny Dearmin has her own theory 329 00:15:54,082 --> 00:15:58,024 about why Marcus did not immediately call police. 330 00:15:58,024 --> 00:16:02,074 In 2015, Marcus was convicted of selling marijuana 331 00:16:02,074 --> 00:16:06,004 and possessing methamphetamine and cocaine. 332 00:16:06,004 --> 00:16:09,062 He was still on probation for that crime. 333 00:16:09,062 --> 00:16:11,062 I would say that if you were an individual who's 334 00:16:11,062 --> 00:16:13,045 been in trouble with the law before 335 00:16:13,045 --> 00:16:16,003 and you're currently on probation, that you 336 00:16:16,003 --> 00:16:19,057 would be afraid to call 911. 337 00:16:19,057 --> 00:16:25,045 It makes my family so angry and so hurt. 338 00:16:25,045 --> 00:16:31,024 If he had a good heart, if he truly loved Marianne, 339 00:16:31,024 --> 00:16:36,003 he would have sacrificed anything to save her. 340 00:16:36,003 --> 00:16:40,034 It's unclear how much time had passed before Clark called 911. 341 00:16:40,034 --> 00:16:42,024 Yes, I need an ambulance. 342 00:16:42,024 --> 00:16:44,022 But investigators believe Marianne 343 00:16:44,022 --> 00:16:49,032 had been dead for at least two hours before help arrived. 344 00:16:49,032 --> 00:16:51,081 The questions from deputies on the scene 345 00:16:51,081 --> 00:16:53,079 got much more pointed. 346 00:16:53,079 --> 00:16:56,082 So if she's unconscious, y'all didn't think to call 911, 347 00:16:56,082 --> 00:16:58,021 if she's unconscious? 348 00:16:58,021 --> 00:16:59,004 And no one thought-- 349 00:16:59,004 --> 00:17:01,014 It seemed like she was breathing. 350 00:17:01,014 --> 00:17:05,013 Deputies decided to separate the men for further questioning. 351 00:17:05,013 --> 00:17:07,020 They put Marcus in a squad car. 352 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:09,066 Marcus, policy says I have to put you in handcuffs any time 353 00:17:09,066 --> 00:17:10,079 I transport you, OK? 354 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,087 Just place your hands behind your back for me, OK? 355 00:17:12,087 --> 00:17:15,033 But judging from the bodycam footage, 356 00:17:15,033 --> 00:17:17,082 deputies seemed to be having a hard time 357 00:17:17,082 --> 00:17:19,071 getting Clark to cooperate. 358 00:17:19,071 --> 00:17:23,010 I done told him three times to stay off the pool, 359 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:26,041 but he's insisting to have his lawyer. 360 00:17:26,041 --> 00:17:29,073 Something is not right here, bro. 361 00:17:29,073 --> 00:17:30,070 Wait right there. 362 00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:31,074 It's a crime scene now. 363 00:17:31,074 --> 00:17:34,059 Wait right there. 364 00:17:34,059 --> 00:17:37,005 I asked you to wait back there, sir. 365 00:17:37,005 --> 00:17:38,034 I asked you to wait back there. 366 00:17:38,034 --> 00:17:42,033 But then, the deputy watching Clark got a phone call, 367 00:17:42,033 --> 00:17:44,076 and Clark wandered off. 368 00:17:44,076 --> 00:17:46,014 We got a dead woman. 369 00:17:46,014 --> 00:17:50,004 No one noticed that Clark had slipped into his house, 370 00:17:50,004 --> 00:17:53,092 not until deputies heard that shotgun go off. 371 00:17:53,092 --> 00:17:55,065 Sheriff's Office. 372 00:17:55,065 --> 00:17:57,035 Sheriff's Office. 373 00:17:57,035 --> 00:17:58,061 Sheriff's Office. 374 00:17:58,061 --> 00:18:00,025 And found his body. 375 00:18:00,025 --> 00:18:01,022 He's in the bathroom. 376 00:18:01,022 --> 00:18:03,068 In the bathroom? 377 00:18:03,068 --> 00:18:05,015 Yeah. 378 00:18:05,015 --> 00:18:10,001 It tainted the case 100%, because there 379 00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:12,077 weren't two people there that could say what happened. 380 00:18:12,077 --> 00:18:14,096 There was only one. 381 00:18:14,096 --> 00:18:20,039 But investigators say Clark did leave behind a potential clue, 382 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:23,024 a handwritten suicide note. 383 00:18:23,024 --> 00:18:25,067 And I just said, well, he had to have done it. 384 00:18:25,067 --> 00:18:28,061 If that pill made me so stupid, maybe it made him, for once 385 00:18:28,061 --> 00:18:30,010 in his life, a violent guy. 386 00:18:35,024 --> 00:18:37,079 What do you think happened to Marianne Shockley? 387 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:41,030 Chat now with the 48 Hours team on Facebook and Twitter. 388 00:18:44,054 --> 00:18:47,097 [MUSIC PLAYING] 389 00:18:54,036 --> 00:18:58,062 Baldwin County Sheriff Bill Massee and Major Brad King 390 00:18:58,062 --> 00:19:01,065 say they still can't shake the unease they felt when they 391 00:19:01,065 --> 00:19:06,072 arrived at Clark Heindel's house on May 12, 2019, 392 00:19:06,072 --> 00:19:10,071 during the early morning hours when Marianne Shockley was 393 00:19:10,071 --> 00:19:13,066 pronounced dead. 394 00:19:13,066 --> 00:19:16,023 The feeling at this scene was totally different 395 00:19:16,023 --> 00:19:22,065 than any I'd ever been to, and it was a very strange feeling 396 00:19:22,065 --> 00:19:24,033 that everybody noticed here. 397 00:19:24,033 --> 00:19:25,038 Sheriff's Office. 398 00:19:25,038 --> 00:19:28,080 Sheriff Massee remembers walking through Clark's house 399 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:33,006 when he spotted what turned out to be a handwritten suicide 400 00:19:33,006 --> 00:19:37,010 note on the kitchen counter. 401 00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:41,068 This is the suicide note Clark wrote before taking his life? 402 00:19:41,068 --> 00:19:43,095 That is the note, yes, that we found in the house. 403 00:19:43,095 --> 00:19:46,066 He says, "I am very sorry. 404 00:19:46,066 --> 00:19:48,099 I don't know what happened with Marianne, 405 00:19:48,099 --> 00:19:50,086 but it was on my watch. 406 00:19:50,086 --> 00:19:55,074 And I am so sorry for the family and friends." 407 00:19:55,074 --> 00:20:00,012 Massee says Clark did not admit any guilt in the letter. 408 00:20:00,012 --> 00:20:02,037 It mostly instructed his heirs on what 409 00:20:02,037 --> 00:20:03,093 to do with his possessions. 410 00:20:03,093 --> 00:20:07,002 Marcus was now the only surviving witness 411 00:20:07,002 --> 00:20:08,080 from the scene that night. 412 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,074 Why was Clark allowed to go back into his home? 413 00:20:11,074 --> 00:20:13,074 Well, I'll be upfront with you. 414 00:20:13,074 --> 00:20:16,023 It was a violation of our policy and procedures. 415 00:20:16,023 --> 00:20:18,099 How big of a mistake was that in this case? 416 00:20:18,099 --> 00:20:21,018 Oh, a terrible mistake, terrible mistake. 417 00:20:21,018 --> 00:20:26,022 It was a dramatic, a dramatic error in this case. 418 00:20:26,022 --> 00:20:29,067 Soon after deputies discovered Clark had killed himself, 419 00:20:29,067 --> 00:20:32,028 Marcus was taken in for questioning. 420 00:20:32,028 --> 00:20:35,013 Hours later, he was interviewed by Michael Maybin, 421 00:20:35,013 --> 00:20:38,019 a special agent for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, 422 00:20:38,019 --> 00:20:40,044 also known as the GBI. 423 00:20:40,044 --> 00:20:45,027 Maybin broke the news about Clark's suicide. 424 00:20:45,027 --> 00:20:47,046 During the time that, I guess, you 425 00:20:47,046 --> 00:20:50,097 were in the backseat of the car, Clark went inside his house, 426 00:20:50,097 --> 00:20:53,060 and he committed suicide inside the house. 427 00:20:53,060 --> 00:20:54,061 Oh, [BLEEP]. 428 00:20:58,074 --> 00:21:00,003 You're kidding. 429 00:21:00,003 --> 00:21:00,096 I'm not kidding. 430 00:21:06,066 --> 00:21:08,031 Why would he do that? 431 00:21:08,031 --> 00:21:08,085 I don't know. 432 00:21:11,057 --> 00:21:16,012 Maybe that shed some light, but-- 433 00:21:16,012 --> 00:21:17,068 I can't believe this. 434 00:21:17,068 --> 00:21:20,088 I would never in a million years guess he would do that. 435 00:21:20,088 --> 00:21:23,064 Marcus immediately began speculating 436 00:21:23,064 --> 00:21:27,036 on what might have happened when he says he was in the woods 437 00:21:27,036 --> 00:21:30,027 and away from Marianne. 438 00:21:30,027 --> 00:21:33,015 There's a pretty good chance that Clark got in that hot tub 439 00:21:33,015 --> 00:21:34,016 with her. 440 00:21:34,016 --> 00:21:36,033 I'm going to say there's a very high chance of that, 441 00:21:36,033 --> 00:21:38,013 I mean, a really high chance. 442 00:21:38,013 --> 00:21:39,027 Help me out, man. 443 00:21:39,027 --> 00:21:42,024 Do you think he did something to her? 444 00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:43,095 I don't think she would do it to herself, 445 00:21:43,095 --> 00:21:46,072 and I know I didn't do anything. 446 00:21:46,072 --> 00:21:49,053 The investigation was in its early stages, 447 00:21:49,053 --> 00:21:53,076 and authorities weren't sure who or what to believe. 448 00:21:53,076 --> 00:21:57,012 Ayla found it impossible to believe her sister could 449 00:21:57,012 --> 00:21:59,010 drown in a hot tub. 450 00:21:59,010 --> 00:22:00,036 That made no sense. 451 00:22:00,036 --> 00:22:03,012 Marianne was intelligent. 452 00:22:03,012 --> 00:22:05,040 Even if she was drinking in the hot tub, 453 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,016 I just could not see that happening. 454 00:22:08,016 --> 00:22:10,056 Almost immediately, investigators 455 00:22:10,056 --> 00:22:14,059 found out about Marcus's 2015 drug conviction, 456 00:22:14,059 --> 00:22:16,035 but they were also looking closely 457 00:22:16,035 --> 00:22:19,035 at Clark Heindel, who was 69 years old 458 00:22:19,035 --> 00:22:21,060 and had his own issues. 459 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:24,075 And he had a bit of a checkered past 460 00:22:24,075 --> 00:22:27,018 that really caught up with him and impacted his career. 461 00:22:27,018 --> 00:22:27,081 Yes. 462 00:22:27,081 --> 00:22:33,021 Unfortunately, he lost his license to practice psychology. 463 00:22:33,021 --> 00:22:36,012 Podcaster Penny Dearmin says Clark's license 464 00:22:36,012 --> 00:22:40,017 to practice psychology was revoked in 2017 465 00:22:40,017 --> 00:22:43,092 after a former female patient filed a complaint with a state 466 00:22:43,092 --> 00:22:45,018 licensing board. 467 00:22:45,018 --> 00:22:47,073 She charged that Clark had engaged her 468 00:22:47,073 --> 00:22:52,020 in a sexual relationship and had given her marijuana. 469 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:54,099 It's a pretty sordid tale. 470 00:22:54,099 --> 00:22:58,068 But investigators could find no proof Clark had done anything 471 00:22:58,068 --> 00:22:59,073 to Marianne. 472 00:22:59,073 --> 00:23:02,052 Sheriff Massee had known Clark for years 473 00:23:02,052 --> 00:23:05,067 and knew his son had died at the age of six 474 00:23:05,067 --> 00:23:08,040 from a rare form of cancer. 475 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,069 Losing his psychology license, the death of a young son 476 00:23:12,069 --> 00:23:15,051 that had him depressed for years, 477 00:23:15,051 --> 00:23:18,066 the embarrassment of it all, and it happened at his house. 478 00:23:18,066 --> 00:23:21,021 After his son's death, Penny says 479 00:23:21,021 --> 00:23:23,076 Clark took the first of several trips 480 00:23:23,076 --> 00:23:28,008 to Peru to work with shamans, much like the main character 481 00:23:28,008 --> 00:23:31,095 in The Last Shaman documentary. 482 00:23:31,095 --> 00:23:33,025 [RADIO CHATTER] 483 00:23:33,025 --> 00:23:36,025 By coincidence, Marcus says he and Clark 484 00:23:36,025 --> 00:23:39,046 discussed that film on the night Marianne died. 485 00:23:39,046 --> 00:23:42,019 And in another bizarre twist, Marcus 486 00:23:42,019 --> 00:23:45,031 says Clark found some hydrangea branches 487 00:23:45,031 --> 00:23:49,007 and shook them around Marianne's body. 488 00:23:49,007 --> 00:23:54,007 It was ritualistic or seance or something. 489 00:23:54,007 --> 00:23:57,064 Clark, who had opened a local yoga studio in recent years, 490 00:23:57,064 --> 00:24:00,014 had a lot of friends and supporters, 491 00:24:00,014 --> 00:24:04,006 including Marcus's son, who began seeing Clark for therapy 492 00:24:04,006 --> 00:24:06,097 when he was only 14 years old. 493 00:24:06,097 --> 00:24:08,063 I did love Clark, and I still do. 494 00:24:08,063 --> 00:24:11,038 And I think I didn't realize how much he 495 00:24:11,038 --> 00:24:13,079 meant to me until he was gone. 496 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:17,029 Carson says that as soon as he heard Marianne was dead, 497 00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:19,054 he pinned the blame on his father 498 00:24:19,054 --> 00:24:23,093 whom he describes as a "malignant narcissist." 499 00:24:23,093 --> 00:24:27,034 He was headed towards destruction 500 00:24:27,034 --> 00:24:31,073 and was determined to bring somebody with him. 501 00:24:31,073 --> 00:24:34,049 And Carson wasn't the only person 502 00:24:34,049 --> 00:24:37,098 who felt Marcus had violent tendencies. 503 00:24:37,098 --> 00:24:41,012 I was at my desk at the office, and a young lady 504 00:24:41,012 --> 00:24:42,065 called me, extremely upset. 505 00:24:42,065 --> 00:24:46,046 And she said, Sheriff Massee, Marianne Shockley didn't drown. 506 00:24:46,046 --> 00:24:49,022 She said, Marcus choked her to death. 507 00:24:49,022 --> 00:24:52,062 [MUSIC PLAYING] 508 00:25:05,027 --> 00:25:08,045 Soon after Marianne Shockley was declared dead 509 00:25:08,045 --> 00:25:13,046 in the early morning hours of Mother's Day, May 12, 2019, 510 00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:15,080 Sheriff Massee received that phone 511 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,065 call from an ex-girlfriend of Marcus who 512 00:25:18,065 --> 00:25:23,060 said she strongly suspected that Marcus had choked Marianne. 513 00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:27,008 She said, the same thing happened to me a long time ago 514 00:25:27,008 --> 00:25:28,098 when I was in a low point in my life. 515 00:25:28,098 --> 00:25:32,021 And she said he choked her having sex. 516 00:25:32,021 --> 00:25:35,039 News had spread through word of mouth in the small town 517 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:40,041 that Marianne had died in a hot tub, and Marcus was in jail. 518 00:25:40,041 --> 00:25:44,024 I asked if she'd come give us a statement, and she did. 519 00:25:44,024 --> 00:25:47,003 Marcus's ex-girlfriend told investigators 520 00:25:47,003 --> 00:25:51,080 that Marcus had a choking fetish and that it was a regular part 521 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,042 of their sex life. 522 00:25:53,042 --> 00:25:57,083 How many times do you think you and Marcus had sex? 523 00:25:57,083 --> 00:25:58,050 Maybe 100 times. 524 00:25:58,050 --> 00:25:59,037 Maybe more than that. 525 00:25:59,037 --> 00:26:01,085 How many times do you think choking was involved? 526 00:26:06,001 --> 00:26:08,065 I would say at least 30 times. 527 00:26:08,065 --> 00:26:12,007 The woman said the erotic choking was consensual. 528 00:26:12,007 --> 00:26:16,000 But one time, she says, Marcus went too far. 529 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,012 He chocked me long enough to where I lost consciousness, 530 00:26:19,012 --> 00:26:21,016 and my body crumpled to the floor. 531 00:26:21,016 --> 00:26:23,005 And he just left me there. 532 00:26:23,005 --> 00:26:26,044 Marcus says his ex-girlfriend was exaggerating, 533 00:26:26,044 --> 00:26:30,001 but he didn't deny choking her during sex. 534 00:26:30,001 --> 00:26:34,015 It was really more of a place to put your hands for control, 535 00:26:34,015 --> 00:26:37,050 just a little light pressure to the carotid arteries. 536 00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:38,076 That was really about it. 537 00:26:38,076 --> 00:26:40,009 There's never any pressure here. 538 00:26:40,009 --> 00:26:41,081 The pressure was here. 539 00:26:41,081 --> 00:26:42,076 It was not that. 540 00:26:42,076 --> 00:26:44,092 It was blown way out of proportion. 541 00:26:44,092 --> 00:26:49,003 Marcus said he only tried choking Marianne one time 542 00:26:49,003 --> 00:26:51,019 and not on the night she died. 543 00:26:51,019 --> 00:26:53,038 He said she told him she didn't like it, 544 00:26:53,038 --> 00:26:55,051 and he never tried it again. 545 00:26:55,051 --> 00:26:58,001 Ayla does not believe him. 546 00:26:58,001 --> 00:27:01,049 I believe that they were having sex, and he choked her. 547 00:27:01,049 --> 00:27:02,095 And that is what caused her death. 548 00:27:02,095 --> 00:27:07,051 GBI agents had first interviewed Marcus on Mother's Day morning 549 00:27:07,051 --> 00:27:10,072 and later placed him in custody on a probation hold 550 00:27:10,072 --> 00:27:13,042 stemming from his previous drug conviction. 551 00:27:13,042 --> 00:27:19,051 The following day, Monday, May 13, 2019, the autopsy results 552 00:27:19,051 --> 00:27:23,074 came in, and investigators felt they were damning. 553 00:27:23,074 --> 00:27:25,057 We were notified by the medical examiner 554 00:27:25,057 --> 00:27:28,003 that it was a classic case of strangulation, 555 00:27:28,003 --> 00:27:30,088 busted blood vessels in her eyes and had nothing 556 00:27:30,088 --> 00:27:33,091 to do with any drowning. 557 00:27:33,091 --> 00:27:37,012 Medical examiner Dr. Melissa Sims-Stanley 558 00:27:37,012 --> 00:27:41,002 wrote that Marianne quote, "died as a result of asphyxia 559 00:27:41,002 --> 00:27:42,052 due to strangulation. 560 00:27:42,052 --> 00:27:47,050 The manner of death is best classified as homicide." 561 00:27:47,050 --> 00:27:51,001 Given the results of the autopsy and the information 562 00:27:51,001 --> 00:27:53,074 from Marcus's ex-girlfriend, authorities 563 00:27:53,074 --> 00:27:58,048 say Marcus became the focus of the investigation. 564 00:27:58,048 --> 00:28:00,088 Hours after getting those autopsy results, 565 00:28:00,088 --> 00:28:04,069 GBI agent Michael Maybin requested another interview 566 00:28:04,069 --> 00:28:07,003 with Marcus, and he agreed. 567 00:28:07,003 --> 00:28:11,032 Again, he did not request a lawyer, at least at first. 568 00:28:11,032 --> 00:28:14,031 Strangulation is what killed her. 569 00:28:14,031 --> 00:28:16,098 And you need to tell me what the hell happened because you know, 570 00:28:16,098 --> 00:28:17,095 and we need to talk about it. 571 00:28:17,095 --> 00:28:18,059 I don't know. 572 00:28:18,059 --> 00:28:19,009 Yes, you do. 573 00:28:19,009 --> 00:28:21,022 If I knew, I would have told you immediately. 574 00:28:21,022 --> 00:28:25,035 Agent Maybin accuses Marcus of lying. 575 00:28:25,035 --> 00:28:27,068 So I need to get a lawyer at this point because, I mean, 576 00:28:27,068 --> 00:28:29,068 you've already got your mind made up. 577 00:28:29,068 --> 00:28:31,027 You already got your mind made up. 578 00:28:31,027 --> 00:28:32,073 Yep, I do. 579 00:28:32,073 --> 00:28:34,027 Well, you're under arrest for murder. 580 00:28:34,027 --> 00:28:36,028 I'll tell you that. 581 00:28:36,028 --> 00:28:39,025 It was only one day after Marianne's death 582 00:28:39,025 --> 00:28:42,017 when Marcus was charged with her murder. 583 00:28:42,017 --> 00:28:47,017 He was formally indicted nearly two years later, in March 2021, 584 00:28:47,017 --> 00:28:49,012 and charged with four counts-- 585 00:28:49,012 --> 00:28:51,070 felony murder, aggravated assault, 586 00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:55,009 involuntary manslaughter, and reckless conduct. 587 00:28:55,009 --> 00:28:57,076 He was ordered held without bond. 588 00:28:57,076 --> 00:29:01,039 It made sense that she was not responsible for her own death. 589 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,013 Because I know my sister. 590 00:29:03,013 --> 00:29:04,072 She wasn't a careless person. 591 00:29:04,072 --> 00:29:06,058 Did it make me feel better? 592 00:29:06,058 --> 00:29:07,075 No. 593 00:29:07,075 --> 00:29:15,094 Because now I know that someone took her from us. 594 00:29:15,094 --> 00:29:17,086 Marcus sat in jail. 595 00:29:17,086 --> 00:29:20,074 Months turned into years. 596 00:29:20,074 --> 00:29:23,080 Sheriff Massee says investigators vetted Clark 597 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,063 and dropped him as a suspect. 598 00:29:25,063 --> 00:29:29,092 And as the trial approached, Marcus settled on Matt Tucker 599 00:29:29,092 --> 00:29:31,078 as his defense attorney. 600 00:29:31,078 --> 00:29:34,042 And he just says, I'm not going to admit 601 00:29:34,042 --> 00:29:35,076 to anything I didn't do. 602 00:29:35,076 --> 00:29:38,067 [MUSIC PLAYING] 603 00:29:39,055 --> 00:29:42,010 Largely because of COVID, nearly three years 604 00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:44,059 went by before Marcus Lillard stood trial 605 00:29:44,059 --> 00:29:46,093 for the murder of Marianne Shockley. 606 00:29:46,093 --> 00:29:51,028 But on April 4, 2022, his trial began here 607 00:29:51,028 --> 00:29:53,035 at the Baldwin County Courthouse. 608 00:29:53,035 --> 00:29:55,081 Assistant District Attorney Tammy Coffey 609 00:29:55,081 --> 00:29:57,076 laid out what the prosecution believes 610 00:29:57,076 --> 00:30:02,017 happened between Marcus and Marianne on the night she died. 611 00:30:02,017 --> 00:30:07,006 After they got in the hot tub, I think that they engaged in sex. 612 00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:08,057 I think he choked her. 613 00:30:08,057 --> 00:30:11,065 I think he chocked her too hard and for too long. 614 00:30:11,065 --> 00:30:14,008 Assistant District Attorney Nancy Malcor 615 00:30:14,008 --> 00:30:18,085 told 48 Hours there was no clear evidence of sexual activity 616 00:30:18,085 --> 00:30:21,064 because Marianne's body had been in the hot tub 617 00:30:21,064 --> 00:30:25,029 for a prolonged period of time. 618 00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:27,096 Meanwhile, GBI agents had been busy 619 00:30:27,096 --> 00:30:30,063 talking to former sex partners of Marcus 620 00:30:30,063 --> 00:30:33,066 to determine if he had choked them. 621 00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:38,016 It turns out GBI agents found eight women. 622 00:30:38,016 --> 00:30:45,007 I went out with Marcus a few times back in the fall of 2016. 623 00:30:45,007 --> 00:30:49,072 One night, we were having sex, and he put his hands 624 00:30:49,072 --> 00:30:51,079 around my neck. 625 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:53,038 You said he did choke you at times? 626 00:30:53,038 --> 00:30:54,016 Mm-hmm. 627 00:30:54,016 --> 00:30:57,091 He did try to choke me. 628 00:30:57,091 --> 00:30:59,089 That was something that he was into. 629 00:30:59,089 --> 00:31:02,008 I stopped him twice. 630 00:31:02,008 --> 00:31:04,051 It's not something that I'm into. 631 00:31:04,051 --> 00:31:05,026 I don't like it. 632 00:31:05,026 --> 00:31:06,028 It scares me. 633 00:31:06,028 --> 00:31:09,069 [MUSIC PLAYING] 634 00:31:11,064 --> 00:31:15,012 Prosecutors put six of the women on the stand. 635 00:31:15,012 --> 00:31:18,072 The women testified Marcus choked them or attempted 636 00:31:18,072 --> 00:31:20,058 to choke them during sex. 637 00:31:20,058 --> 00:31:24,060 And two of those witnesses told jurors Marcus had choked them 638 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:26,043 until they passed out. 639 00:31:26,043 --> 00:31:27,087 All of it was consensual. 640 00:31:27,087 --> 00:31:28,092 They're still alive. 641 00:31:28,092 --> 00:31:31,035 So I mean, how is it even relevant? 642 00:31:31,035 --> 00:31:36,006 But Ayla thinks their testimony was relevant and demonstrates 643 00:31:36,006 --> 00:31:39,063 how callous and dangerous Marcus could be. 644 00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:42,023 It's one thing to gamble with your own life. 645 00:31:42,023 --> 00:31:45,051 If you want to do drugs, if you want to choke yourself out, 646 00:31:45,051 --> 00:31:46,062 I mean, OK. 647 00:31:46,062 --> 00:31:49,032 And one of his girlfriends, he just told her to shut up. 648 00:31:49,032 --> 00:31:54,077 So that showed a disregard for women, period. 649 00:31:54,077 --> 00:31:57,056 The medical examiner testified to her findings, 650 00:31:57,056 --> 00:32:00,038 but Tucker noticed that the autopsy revealed 651 00:32:00,038 --> 00:32:06,002 the hyoid bone in Marianne's neck was intact and not broken. 652 00:32:06,002 --> 00:32:09,086 Some experts, including a surgeon Tucker consulted, 653 00:32:09,086 --> 00:32:13,082 considered that unusual in a strangulation case. 654 00:32:13,082 --> 00:32:15,084 And he said, that's what you need to explore. 655 00:32:15,084 --> 00:32:17,009 Find out why it wasn't broken. 656 00:32:17,009 --> 00:32:21,032 If somebody was strangling Marianne, why didn't it break? 657 00:32:21,032 --> 00:32:23,084 Tucker suggested to Dr. Sims-Stanley 658 00:32:23,084 --> 00:32:27,071 that perhaps whoever killed Marianne was too old or not 659 00:32:27,071 --> 00:32:29,081 strong enough to break that bone. 660 00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:34,068 He asked, could that person be 70 years of age? 661 00:32:34,068 --> 00:32:38,006 And she said yes before she realized what she was saying. 662 00:32:38,006 --> 00:32:40,037 Clark was 69 at the time. 663 00:32:40,037 --> 00:32:44,060 Tucker says, that shows Clark, nearly three decades older 664 00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:47,090 than Marcus, could have been Marianne's killer. 665 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:50,084 But would this juror agree? 666 00:32:50,084 --> 00:32:54,074 I was not there to prosecute Clark. 667 00:32:54,074 --> 00:32:58,013 I was there to find whether Marcus Lillard was guilty 668 00:32:58,013 --> 00:33:01,016 or not. 669 00:33:01,016 --> 00:33:03,029 Follow the evidence to learn more about what 670 00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:06,023 happened the night Marianne died at 48hours.com. 671 00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:15,062 Let the record reflect that all jurors are present. 672 00:33:15,062 --> 00:33:16,068 State counsel is present. 673 00:33:16,068 --> 00:33:17,018 Defendant-- 674 00:33:17,018 --> 00:33:19,040 As Marcus Lillard's trial progressed, 675 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,040 defense attorney Matt Tucker floated the theory 676 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,028 that Clark strangled Marianne after she 677 00:33:25,028 --> 00:33:27,035 rebuffed his sexual advances. 678 00:33:27,035 --> 00:33:30,065 It was a scenario that Marcus said had haunted him 679 00:33:30,065 --> 00:33:32,063 while he was behind bars. 680 00:33:32,063 --> 00:33:35,060 My theory for the better part of the three years 681 00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:40,079 was that he took a shot at her while she was alone, 682 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,030 and she rejected him. 683 00:33:42,030 --> 00:33:46,004 Prosecutors say there is no evidence Clark did anything 684 00:33:46,004 --> 00:33:50,033 to Marianne, and they insist Marcus was the killer. 685 00:33:50,033 --> 00:33:53,052 In the autopsy, it shows manual strangulation. 686 00:33:53,052 --> 00:33:54,050 It was deliberate. 687 00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:59,072 The muscles themselves were severely damaged. 688 00:33:59,072 --> 00:34:01,001 I didn't strangle her. 689 00:34:01,001 --> 00:34:03,095 What do you say to people who are 690 00:34:03,095 --> 00:34:07,073 convinced you killed Marianne? 691 00:34:07,073 --> 00:34:10,056 I've been defending myself for so long. 692 00:34:10,056 --> 00:34:13,082 I'm not even really concerned what they think. 693 00:34:13,082 --> 00:34:17,069 At trial, prosecutors Tammy Coffey and Nancy Malcor 694 00:34:17,069 --> 00:34:22,055 put Marianne's sister Ayla on the stand. 695 00:34:22,055 --> 00:34:23,058 I know my sister. 696 00:34:23,058 --> 00:34:24,068 I know-- 697 00:34:24,068 --> 00:34:26,075 And she talked about a private letter 698 00:34:26,075 --> 00:34:28,073 found in Marianne's house. 699 00:34:28,073 --> 00:34:33,044 The letter was her being reflective on her relationships 700 00:34:33,044 --> 00:34:39,077 and how she has selected guys to date or to spend time with that 701 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,018 were not good for her. 702 00:34:41,018 --> 00:34:44,058 Did she mention anyone by name? 703 00:34:44,058 --> 00:34:48,038 She did, and that was Marcus. 704 00:34:48,038 --> 00:34:52,058 She wrote, "When he does white lady, he gets violent." 705 00:34:52,058 --> 00:34:56,093 The white lady, I understood that to be cocaine. 706 00:34:56,093 --> 00:35:01,028 Test show that Marcus did have cocaine in his system the night 707 00:35:01,028 --> 00:35:04,046 Marianne died but could not pinpoint 708 00:35:04,046 --> 00:35:06,012 when he had taken the drug. 709 00:35:06,012 --> 00:35:06,089 It was enough to-- 710 00:35:06,089 --> 00:35:08,099 As for that private letter-- 711 00:35:08,099 --> 00:35:10,056 What did you do with it? 712 00:35:10,056 --> 00:35:12,002 I gave it to my dad. 713 00:35:12,002 --> 00:35:15,056 Ayla testified that her father burned the letter, 714 00:35:15,056 --> 00:35:18,074 leading Matt Tucker to question her memory. 715 00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:20,099 You don't recall what the beginning of this letter 716 00:35:20,099 --> 00:35:22,007 started as? 717 00:35:22,007 --> 00:35:22,094 I do not. 718 00:35:22,094 --> 00:35:26,043 She swore up and down she read it. 719 00:35:26,043 --> 00:35:30,045 But three years ago, how do you remember what was in there? 720 00:35:30,045 --> 00:35:33,048 Tucker offered jurors a second explanation 721 00:35:33,048 --> 00:35:36,006 for Marianne's death, a theory now 722 00:35:36,006 --> 00:35:39,044 embraced by Marcus, who no longer blames Clark. 723 00:35:39,044 --> 00:35:41,040 I think the ecstasy and the hot tub killed her, 724 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,023 and I feel like in my heart of hearts 725 00:35:44,023 --> 00:35:46,032 that the medical examiner has made a mistake. 726 00:35:46,032 --> 00:35:49,053 Marcus's lawyer tried to get the medical examiner 727 00:35:49,053 --> 00:35:52,047 to admit Marianne could have died because 728 00:35:52,047 --> 00:35:54,060 of the amount of ecstasy and alcohol 729 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:57,093 in her system coupled with the heat of the hot tub. 730 00:35:57,093 --> 00:36:01,035 Ecstasy is also known as MDMA. 731 00:36:01,035 --> 00:36:04,089 Now, ma'am, it's true that this hot tub was 107. 732 00:36:04,089 --> 00:36:06,072 They're only supposed to be 104. 733 00:36:06,072 --> 00:36:10,032 That didn't have factor with the body temperature being 734 00:36:10,032 --> 00:36:16,023 that high, with having the high levels of MDMA in her system, 735 00:36:16,023 --> 00:36:17,094 with them being drinking all day, 736 00:36:17,094 --> 00:36:19,048 this had nothing to do with it? 737 00:36:19,048 --> 00:36:20,092 And she was like, no. 738 00:36:20,092 --> 00:36:23,034 She just disregarded that immediately. 739 00:36:23,034 --> 00:36:26,001 But the medical examiner's own autopsy 740 00:36:26,001 --> 00:36:29,025 revealed that Marianne had cardiomegaly, 741 00:36:29,025 --> 00:36:31,089 an enlarged heart, which is a condition 742 00:36:31,089 --> 00:36:36,063 that medical experts say could lead to sudden cardiac death. 743 00:36:36,063 --> 00:36:39,066 48 Hours had some questions and sent 744 00:36:39,066 --> 00:36:42,021 all the autopsy information to Dr. Greg 745 00:36:42,021 --> 00:36:46,026 Davis, a forensic pathologist not involved with the case. 746 00:36:46,026 --> 00:36:48,042 After reviewing the documents, he 747 00:36:48,042 --> 00:36:51,057 said that it was possible Marianne was strangled, 748 00:36:51,057 --> 00:36:54,021 but a valid competing cause of death 749 00:36:54,021 --> 00:36:58,056 is sudden cardiac death due to mixed drug intoxication, 750 00:36:58,056 --> 00:37:02,034 a lethal mix of MDMA, alcohol, and marijuana 751 00:37:02,034 --> 00:37:06,007 with a contribution from underlying heart disease. 752 00:37:06,007 --> 00:37:08,097 He said there was no way he would have called 753 00:37:08,097 --> 00:37:10,098 Marianne's death a homicide. 754 00:37:10,098 --> 00:37:14,010 If it were up to him, he wrote, he'd "classify her manner 755 00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:16,009 of death as 'undetermined.'" 756 00:37:16,009 --> 00:37:17,034 Please make sure when you go-- 757 00:37:17,034 --> 00:37:20,070 But no medical experts testified for the defense. 758 00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:23,031 No one did, not even Marcus. 759 00:37:23,031 --> 00:37:25,017 He wanted to testify bad. 760 00:37:25,017 --> 00:37:26,082 He wanted to get across, but I didn't 761 00:37:26,082 --> 00:37:29,099 think it'd be productive. 762 00:37:29,099 --> 00:37:32,012 The trial moved swiftly. 763 00:37:32,012 --> 00:37:34,031 Jury selection started on a Monday, 764 00:37:34,031 --> 00:37:38,087 and by late Friday afternoon, April 8, 2022, 765 00:37:38,087 --> 00:37:41,000 the case went to the jury. 766 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,046 Time to deliberate, what are you thinking? 767 00:37:43,046 --> 00:37:44,060 I had peace, man. 768 00:37:44,060 --> 00:37:48,083 I had peace over, really, the whole thing. 769 00:37:48,083 --> 00:37:52,094 Deliberations began and ended just like that. 770 00:37:52,094 --> 00:37:54,050 Less than an hour ago goes by. 771 00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:55,052 There's a verdict. 772 00:37:55,052 --> 00:37:56,078 38 minutes. 773 00:37:56,078 --> 00:37:59,041 [MUSIC PLAYING] 774 00:37:59,041 --> 00:38:01,039 My first impression was he did it. 775 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,076 He committed this murder, and whatever 776 00:38:03,076 --> 00:38:05,056 they tell me is not going to prove 777 00:38:05,056 --> 00:38:06,085 to me that he didn't do it. 778 00:38:06,085 --> 00:38:09,091 Tyisha Davis was juror number 11. 779 00:38:09,091 --> 00:38:11,056 Why did you think that? 780 00:38:11,056 --> 00:38:16,006 Because the professor was his girlfriend, 781 00:38:16,006 --> 00:38:21,005 and Clark Heindel was a 70-something-year-old man. 782 00:38:21,005 --> 00:38:23,081 He couldn't have murdered her. 783 00:38:23,081 --> 00:38:25,011 I knew Marcus did it. 784 00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:26,099 I just knew he did it. 785 00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:27,098 As a count one-- 786 00:38:27,098 --> 00:38:31,076 The top charge was felony murder, and the verdict was-- 787 00:38:31,076 --> 00:38:32,087 Not guilty. 788 00:38:32,087 --> 00:38:34,037 --not guilty. 789 00:38:34,037 --> 00:38:38,042 Verdicts on the other charges followed in quick succession. 790 00:38:38,042 --> 00:38:43,064 And it's just not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. 791 00:38:43,064 --> 00:38:48,021 With each one, my heart just sunk lower and lower. 792 00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:51,038 I thought there was no way that he could get off. 793 00:38:51,038 --> 00:38:53,090 We were in utter shock. 794 00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:56,012 Everyone was shocked. 795 00:38:56,012 --> 00:38:57,077 And of course, I looked over at Marcus, 796 00:38:57,077 --> 00:38:59,084 and he's got a smirk on his face. 797 00:38:59,084 --> 00:39:04,025 And my blood was boiling. 798 00:39:04,025 --> 00:39:07,014 How does Tyisha explain her change of heart? 799 00:39:07,014 --> 00:39:11,024 I felt like the prosecuting attorney, 800 00:39:11,024 --> 00:39:14,099 she painted the picture that Marcus Lillard was a womanizer. 801 00:39:14,099 --> 00:39:16,046 He was a narcissist. 802 00:39:16,046 --> 00:39:20,075 But they didn't prove that he was a killer. 803 00:39:20,075 --> 00:39:24,032 What do you think happened to Marianne Shockley that night? 804 00:39:24,032 --> 00:39:25,055 I don't know what happened. 805 00:39:25,055 --> 00:39:28,013 That frustrated me because we don't 806 00:39:28,013 --> 00:39:30,047 know what happened to her. 807 00:39:30,047 --> 00:39:34,076 Or if she really was strangled, if she died from strangulation, 808 00:39:34,076 --> 00:39:35,078 who strangled her? 809 00:39:35,078 --> 00:39:38,030 So it sounds like you even question if there was 810 00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:39,089 a murder in the first place. 811 00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:41,093 I have my doubts about that. 812 00:39:41,093 --> 00:39:45,005 Judge Alison Burleson also had doubts, 813 00:39:45,005 --> 00:39:47,027 but they were of a different nature. 814 00:39:47,027 --> 00:39:49,085 Mr. Lillard, I've come to quite a different conclusion 815 00:39:49,085 --> 00:39:51,071 than what the jury has come to. 816 00:39:51,071 --> 00:39:55,007 It is quite clear to this court that the only person 817 00:39:55,007 --> 00:39:58,085 you were concerned with that night, May 11, 2019, 818 00:39:58,085 --> 00:39:59,088 was yourself. 819 00:39:59,088 --> 00:40:03,047 She immediately found that Marcus violated his probation 820 00:40:03,047 --> 00:40:08,058 for that 2015 drug conviction, and he was remanded to prison. 821 00:40:08,058 --> 00:40:09,095 Well, my conscience is very clear 822 00:40:09,095 --> 00:40:11,027 when it comes to Marianne. 823 00:40:11,027 --> 00:40:12,029 Do I miss Marianne? 824 00:40:12,029 --> 00:40:14,033 Yeah. 825 00:40:14,033 --> 00:40:19,075 I was lucky to get that time with her that I did, 826 00:40:19,075 --> 00:40:20,098 and I cherish that. 827 00:40:24,043 --> 00:40:26,035 I think of Marianne every single day. 828 00:40:26,035 --> 00:40:28,018 I have her name on my bracelet. 829 00:40:28,018 --> 00:40:30,093 I'm wearing her earrings right now. 830 00:40:30,093 --> 00:40:36,040 Marianne was the most beautiful spirit. 831 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,023 She worked hard. 832 00:40:38,023 --> 00:40:42,073 She cared about things that other people didn't care about, 833 00:40:42,073 --> 00:40:47,059 the teeny-weeny creatures that keep us alive, 834 00:40:47,059 --> 00:40:50,062 that keep our world turning. 835 00:40:50,062 --> 00:40:54,006 [MUSIC PLAYING] 836 00:41:22,014 --> 00:41:24,040 The doorbell rings, two men at the door. 837 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,086 She goes to close the door on them. 838 00:41:25,086 --> 00:41:27,079 They force themselves in with guns. 839 00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:29,028 They take her by force. 840 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:31,041 They hooded me as soon as I went into the van. 841 00:41:31,041 --> 00:41:32,094 A deputy chases them down. 842 00:41:32,094 --> 00:41:34,029 I open the rear door of the van. 843 00:41:34,029 --> 00:41:35,058 It scared me, so I jumped back. 844 00:41:35,058 --> 00:41:36,057 And I shut the door. 845 00:41:36,057 --> 00:41:40,098 48 Hours, Saturday on CBS and streaming on Paramount Plus. 846 00:41:40,098 --> 00:41:44,033 [MUSIC PLAYING]