1 00:00:06,259 --> 00:00:08,109 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:08,130 --> 00:00:09,080 >> Announcer: THE FOLLOWING IS A 3 00:00:09,099 --> 00:00:16,160 PRESENTATION OF HBO SPORTS. 4 00:00:16,179 --> 00:00:23,199 ♪ ♪ 5 00:00:23,219 --> 00:00:24,179 >> Bryant: TONIGHT, ON "REAL 6 00:00:24,199 --> 00:00:33,090 SPORTS"... 7 00:00:33,109 --> 00:00:33,270 FORMER NBA STAR JAYSON 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,250 WILLIAMS HAS A PAST THAT SEEMS 9 00:00:34,270 --> 00:00:36,020 ILL SUITED TO HEALING OTHERS. 10 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:36,250 HE'S HAD DRUG AND ALCOHOL 11 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:37,259 PROBLEMS, BEEN IMPRISONED, AND 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,009 EVEN KILLED A MAN. 13 00:00:40,030 --> 00:00:40,289 YET TODAY HE'S OPERATING A 14 00:00:41,009 --> 00:00:41,189 REHABILITATION FACILITY FOR 15 00:00:41,210 --> 00:00:42,109 ADDICTS LIKE HIMSELF, AND 16 00:00:42,130 --> 00:00:43,049 USING SPORTS AS A FORM OF 17 00:00:43,070 --> 00:00:45,009 THERAPY. 18 00:00:45,030 --> 00:00:45,200 >> Jayson: WHEN YOU SAY, "JAY, 19 00:00:45,219 --> 00:00:47,030 I'M LEAVIN' YOU MY HUSBAND," 20 00:00:47,049 --> 00:00:48,049 "I'M LEAVIN' YOU MY WIFE," "I'M 21 00:00:48,070 --> 00:00:49,070 LEAVIN' YOU MY SON," GET THEM 22 00:00:49,090 --> 00:00:51,119 BETTER." 23 00:00:51,140 --> 00:00:52,200 IT'S LIKE, "LET'S GO. 24 00:00:52,219 --> 00:00:54,009 GAME ON." 25 00:00:54,030 --> 00:00:56,200 >> Bryant: OKSANA MASTERS IS 26 00:00:56,219 --> 00:00:57,270 AMONG THE MOST DECORATED 27 00:00:57,289 --> 00:00:58,240 PARALYMPIANS IN HISTORY. 28 00:00:58,259 --> 00:00:59,100 A MEDAL WINNER IN SEVERAL 29 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:01,179 DIFFERENT SPORTS. 30 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,189 NOT BAD FOR A SEVERELY 31 00:01:02,210 --> 00:01:03,259 DISFIGURED GIRL WHO WAS 32 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,290 ABANDONED AND ABUSED IN A SOVIET 33 00:01:05,010 --> 00:01:06,269 ORPHANAGE UNTIL SHE WAS GIVEN A 34 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,289 NEW LIFE BY A STRANGER FROM 35 00:01:09,010 --> 00:01:13,000 ANOTHER LAND. 36 00:01:13,019 --> 00:01:13,170 >> Oksana: IT'S JUST WILD TO 37 00:01:13,189 --> 00:01:15,200 THINK BACK OF WHERE I STARTED 38 00:01:15,219 --> 00:01:19,099 WITH MY LIFE, A LITTLE GIRL WHO 39 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,010 HAD NO VOICE TO NOW, LIKE, 40 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:24,150 LITERALLY LIVING MY DREAMS. 41 00:01:24,170 --> 00:01:25,289 >> Bryant: EVERY MARCH, WHEN 42 00:01:26,010 --> 00:01:27,289 SPORTS FANS TURN THEIR ATTENTION 43 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:29,230 TO COLLEGE BASKETBALL, CRITICS 44 00:01:29,250 --> 00:01:30,120 RENEW THEIR CALLS FOR AN END TO 45 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:32,159 NCAA RESTRICTIONS. 46 00:01:32,180 --> 00:01:34,099 WELL, NOW AS THOSE CALLS ARE 47 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:34,259 BEING ECHOED IN 48 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,049 STATEHOUSES, COURTROOMS AND EVEN 49 00:01:36,069 --> 00:01:36,289 THE U.S. SENATE, RADICAL REFORM 50 00:01:37,009 --> 00:01:44,030 FINALLY SEEMS IMMINENT. 51 00:01:44,049 --> 00:01:47,210 >> I THINK THAT THE NCAA IS 52 00:01:47,229 --> 00:01:49,229 FACING A COMEUPPANCE WHERE 53 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:50,039 THEY'RE NOT 54 00:01:50,060 --> 00:01:50,219 GONNA BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE 55 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,039 STATUS QUO. 56 00:01:51,060 --> 00:01:52,060 >> WE'RE AT AN INFLECTION POINT 57 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:52,240 AND A MOMENT IN HISTORY WHERE 58 00:01:52,259 --> 00:01:53,099 THE RULES HAVE TO CHANGE. 59 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:53,270 THEY MUST. 60 00:01:53,289 --> 00:01:55,069 AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT 61 00:01:55,090 --> 00:01:56,079 HAPPEN. 62 00:01:56,099 --> 00:01:58,120 >> Bryant: A SCIENTIST NAMED 63 00:01:58,140 --> 00:01:59,030 HUGH HERR IS CHALLENGING THE 64 00:01:59,049 --> 00:02:00,019 LIMITS OF WHAT ATHLETES CAN DO. 65 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,120 IN HIS LAB AT MIT, HERR IS 66 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:02,189 DESIGNING TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN 67 00:02:02,209 --> 00:02:04,180 HELP HUMANS BECOME SUPERHUMANS. 68 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:11,199 AND USING HIMSELF AS A CASE 69 00:02:11,219 --> 00:02:13,110 STUDY. 70 00:02:13,129 --> 00:02:14,000 >> Hugh: WE'RE AT A POINT IN 71 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:14,199 HUMAN HISTORY WHERE WE CAN 72 00:02:14,219 --> 00:02:15,099 FUNDAMENTALLY ARCHITECT OUR OWN 73 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:15,169 BODIES. 74 00:02:15,189 --> 00:02:16,079 BIONICS IS A CRITICAL PATHWAY 75 00:02:16,099 --> 00:02:17,129 THAT WE'LL WALK DOWN IN THIS 76 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:23,020 CENTURY TO IMPROVE OURSELVES. 77 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:31,250 ♪ ♪ 78 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:32,110 >> Announcer: AND NOW, YOUR 79 00:02:32,129 --> 00:02:35,069 HOST, BRYANT GUMBEL, 80 00:02:35,090 --> 00:02:36,009 >> Bryant: GOOD EVENING. 81 00:02:36,030 --> 00:02:40,110 AND WELCOME TO "REAL SPORTS," 82 00:02:40,129 --> 00:02:40,259 WHERE OUR LINEUP TONIGHT 83 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,009 INCLUDES A NOD TO MARCH MADNESS 84 00:02:42,030 --> 00:02:42,199 THAT THE NCAA WOULD SOONER 85 00:02:42,219 --> 00:02:43,210 IGNORE, AS WELL AS A STORY 86 00:02:43,229 --> 00:02:45,110 INVOLVING THE SCIENCE OF SPORTS 87 00:02:45,129 --> 00:02:47,000 AND A TALE OF SURVIVAL. 88 00:02:47,020 --> 00:02:48,060 BUT WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH A 89 00:02:48,079 --> 00:02:49,170 STORY OF REDEMPTION, INVOLVING A 90 00:02:49,189 --> 00:02:52,259 FORMER ATHLETE WHO FOR A TIME 91 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,000 LOST HIS WAY, AND NOW SPENDS HIS 92 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:54,170 TIME HELPING OTHERS FIND 93 00:02:54,189 --> 00:02:57,110 THEMSELVES. 94 00:02:57,129 --> 00:02:58,189 HIS NAME IS JAYSON WILLIAMS, AND 95 00:02:58,210 --> 00:02:59,120 IF THE NAME SOUNDS FAMILIAR, IT 96 00:02:59,139 --> 00:03:00,159 SHOULD. 97 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:04,030 IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO THAT 98 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:04,280 WILLIAMS MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES 99 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,120 FOR BOTH HIS BASKETBALL PROWESS 100 00:03:06,139 --> 00:03:07,129 ON THE COURT, AND FOR TAKING A 101 00:03:07,150 --> 00:03:10,120 MAN'S LIFE WITH A SHOTGUN. 102 00:03:10,139 --> 00:03:11,139 THEY ARE THE HIGHS AND LOWS OF A 103 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:13,069 TROUBLED LIFE THAT HE'S NOW 104 00:03:13,090 --> 00:03:14,189 REDIRECTING TO HELPING OTHERS, 105 00:03:14,210 --> 00:03:16,259 AND USING SPORTS TO GET IT DONE. 106 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:24,280 OUR MARY CARILLO EXPLAINS. 107 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,030 >> FOR 53 YEAR-OLD JAYSON 108 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:28,199 WILLIAMS, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER 109 00:03:28,219 --> 00:03:32,229 DAY AT THE OFFICE. 110 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:35,250 AND IF HE'S NOT HURLING HIMSELF 111 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:36,210 OUT OF A PLANE, HE'S CLIMBING 112 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:38,159 INTO ONE, TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO 113 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:39,229 FLY IT. 114 00:03:39,250 --> 00:03:40,270 OR SPEEDING ACROSS THE OCEAN AT 115 00:03:40,289 --> 00:03:42,250 BREAKNECK SPEED. 116 00:03:42,270 --> 00:03:45,199 HIS "OFFICE", YOU SEE, IS 117 00:03:45,219 --> 00:03:46,289 ACTUALLY A REHABILITATION 118 00:03:47,009 --> 00:03:49,039 PROGRAM HE RUNS IN SOUTH 119 00:03:49,060 --> 00:03:50,219 FLORIDA, WHICH USES ADVENTURE 120 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,189 SPORTS TO JOLT ADDICTS OUT OF 121 00:03:51,210 --> 00:03:54,079 THEIR BAD HABITS. 122 00:03:54,099 --> 00:03:55,020 >> Jayson: WE DO ANYTHING THAT 123 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:56,090 WE CAN RIGHT HERE TO TAKE YOU 124 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:59,129 OUT YOUR COMFORT ZONE SO WE CAN 125 00:03:59,150 --> 00:04:00,210 GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. 126 00:04:00,229 --> 00:04:03,009 AND DO IT WHILE WE'RE LOVING 127 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:03,219 THEM, WITH ACCOUNTABILITY AND 128 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,180 EMPATHY, AND JUST HAVE SOME GOOD 129 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:06,189 BELLY LAUGHS. 130 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:11,050 >> NO SPORT IS OFF LIMITS, FROM 131 00:04:11,069 --> 00:04:12,259 RACING ACROSS THE EVERGLADES, TO 132 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,030 SCUBA DIVING WITH CLIENTS. 133 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:14,229 >> Mary: WHAT ARE YOU TWO ABOUT 134 00:04:14,250 --> 00:04:16,040 TO SEE OUT THERE? 135 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:17,040 >> Jayson: WELL, IF WE ARE LUCKY 136 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:18,009 WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME SEAHORSES. 137 00:04:18,029 --> 00:04:18,220 >> Mary: NICE. 138 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,100 >> Jayson: THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT 139 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,089 THIS BIG. 140 00:04:20,110 --> 00:04:22,279 WE'RE GONNA SEE A COUPLE OF 141 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:23,060 OCTOPUSES. 142 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:23,209 AND THEY GOT SOME GREAT 143 00:04:23,230 --> 00:04:24,259 PARROTFISH IN HERE. 144 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,120 >> IT'S ALL ABOUT EXPERIENCING 145 00:04:26,139 --> 00:04:28,160 NEW, PROMISING AND INSPIRING 146 00:04:28,180 --> 00:04:31,019 WORLDS. 147 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,090 >> Jayson: HERE WE GO, ZERO, 148 00:04:32,110 --> 00:04:35,170 ZERO, TWO. 149 00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:36,189 >> THERE ARE MORE CONVENTIONAL 150 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:37,139 SPORTS HERE TOO, LIKE 151 00:04:37,159 --> 00:04:39,069 PICKLEBALL, AND A DAILY GAME OF 152 00:04:39,090 --> 00:04:40,250 HOOPS. 153 00:04:40,269 --> 00:04:44,110 ONLY FITTING SINCE BEFORE HE WAS 154 00:04:44,129 --> 00:04:49,189 A REHAB COUNSELOR, WILLIAMS WAS 155 00:04:49,209 --> 00:04:50,110 AN NBA ALL STAR. 156 00:04:50,129 --> 00:04:51,079 HE RUNS HIS FACILITY, APTLY 157 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:51,259 NAMED "REBOUND," LIKE AN NBA 158 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:58,139 TEAM. 159 00:04:58,159 --> 00:04:59,189 HIS STAFF ARE "COACHES". 160 00:04:59,209 --> 00:05:00,069 HIS PATIENTS, "TEAMMATES". 161 00:05:00,089 --> 00:05:00,250 >> Jayson: I KNOW FOR THE LAST 162 00:05:00,269 --> 00:05:01,149 FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON 163 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:03,019 IT. 164 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,009 >> "TEAMMATES" SINCE HE, TOO, IS 165 00:05:04,029 --> 00:05:07,170 AN ADDICT IN RECOVERY. 166 00:05:07,189 --> 00:05:08,220 >> Jayson: IT'S A PLACE WHERE I 167 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,019 AM SAFE, BECAUSE I'M AROUND 168 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,220 PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE SAME DISEASE 169 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,060 THAT I HAVE. 170 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,240 IT'S A PLACE THAT PEOPLE HAVE 171 00:05:16,259 --> 00:05:18,089 MESSED UP IN NOT ASKING FOR A 172 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:19,040 SECOND CHANCE BECAUSE WE'VE ALL 173 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:19,279 BEEN THROUGH OUR SECOND CHANCES, 174 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:20,230 MARY. 175 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:22,050 WE'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER CHANCE. 176 00:05:22,069 --> 00:05:23,009 WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH 177 00:05:23,029 --> 00:05:23,199 TODAY, AND NOT WORRYING SO MUCH 178 00:05:23,220 --> 00:05:25,180 ABOUT TOMORROW. 179 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:27,199 >> WHICH IS WHY WILLIAMS SPENDS 180 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:30,019 EVERY WAKING HOUR KEEPING BUSY, 181 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,129 FROM HIS DAILY WORKOUTS AT 4:30 182 00:05:35,149 --> 00:05:35,290 AM, THROUGH A SIXTEEN HOUR 183 00:05:36,009 --> 00:05:37,139 WORKDAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 184 00:05:37,159 --> 00:05:40,000 >> Jayson: I HAVE TO REALLY, 185 00:05:40,019 --> 00:05:42,199 REALLY KEEP MYSELF BUSY. 186 00:05:42,220 --> 00:05:43,189 BECAUSE IF I'M NOT DOING THIS, 187 00:05:43,209 --> 00:05:44,069 WHEN I GET HOME, MY MIND, IF I 188 00:05:44,090 --> 00:05:45,060 DON'T GO RIGHT TO SLEEP, CAN GO 189 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:49,129 SOME PLACES WHERE... 190 00:05:49,149 --> 00:05:51,209 I HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH PAIN TO... 191 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:56,069 TO SO MANY PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD 192 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:58,069 LOOK FOR A RELEASE. 193 00:05:58,090 --> 00:05:59,040 >> Mary: IT'S NOT A HEALTHY 194 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:01,069 RELEASE. 195 00:06:01,089 --> 00:06:03,139 >> Jayson: NO. 196 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,129 SO IF I STAY BUSY, I GET A 197 00:06:04,149 --> 00:06:06,040 CHANCE TO DEFLECT. 198 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:11,079 SO MY MIND DOESN'T HAVE TIME FOR 199 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:11,240 ME TO PROCESS NOTHING BUT 200 00:06:11,259 --> 00:06:12,060 SERVICE TO OTHERS. 201 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:13,290 >> BEFORE HE CAUSED SO MUCH PAIN 202 00:06:14,009 --> 00:06:18,089 TO SO MANY PEOPLE, JAYSON 203 00:06:18,110 --> 00:06:19,019 WILLIAMS' STORY WAS ONE OF 204 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:19,139 INSPIRATION. 205 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,250 A KID FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO 206 00:06:20,269 --> 00:06:25,060 BECAME A BIG TIME PRO AFTER 207 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:26,110 UNIMAGINABLE TRAGEDY AS A CHILD 208 00:06:26,129 --> 00:06:27,009 THAT BEGAN, HE SAYS, WHEN HE WAS 209 00:06:27,029 --> 00:06:32,019 MOLESTED BY HIS UNCLE. 210 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,050 >> Jayson: HE DID SOMETHING TO 211 00:06:33,069 --> 00:06:33,170 ME AND MY COUSIN. 212 00:06:33,189 --> 00:06:34,139 GAVE US SOME ALCOHOL. 213 00:06:34,159 --> 00:06:34,290 AND IT HURT PHYSICALLY. 214 00:06:35,009 --> 00:06:40,110 IT HURT. 215 00:06:40,129 --> 00:06:40,279 >> Mary: HOW OLD WERE YOU? 216 00:06:41,009 --> 00:06:41,110 >> Jayson: SEVEN. 217 00:06:41,129 --> 00:06:42,029 AND I REMEMBER ME SCREAMING FROM 218 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:42,159 PAIN. 219 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:43,050 AND I REMEMBER HIM SAYING, "BOY, 220 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:44,199 SHUT UP. 221 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:45,170 YOU'RE GONNA GET US THROWN OUTTA 222 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:47,290 THIS HOTEL." 223 00:06:48,009 --> 00:06:50,139 >> BUT WILLIAMS' SUFFERING HAD 224 00:06:50,159 --> 00:06:53,199 ONLY JUST BEGUN. 225 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:55,009 IN 1983, HIS OLDER SISTER LINDA 226 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:55,129 SUDDENLY FELL ILL. 227 00:06:55,149 --> 00:07:00,069 >> Jayson: MY SISTER'S ONE OF 228 00:07:00,089 --> 00:07:01,089 THE FIRST LADIES TO CATCH THE 229 00:07:01,110 --> 00:07:01,269 AIDS VIRUS IN NEW YORK CITY. 230 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:02,220 AND SHE DIED IN SIX MONTHS. 231 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,129 AND THEN MY SECOND SISTER, 232 00:07:03,149 --> 00:07:05,079 LAURA, STARTED USING DRUGS AND 233 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:06,189 SHE CAUGHT THE AIDS VIRUS ALSO. 234 00:07:06,209 --> 00:07:08,209 SO I LOST TWO SISTERS TO AN 235 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:14,149 ADDICTION. 236 00:07:14,170 --> 00:07:15,110 >> DESPITE ALL THAT, WILLIAMS 237 00:07:15,129 --> 00:07:16,060 BECAME A STAR ON THE BASKETBALL 238 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:21,160 COURT, FIRST AT ST JOHN'S. 239 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:23,269 THEN IN THE NBA. 240 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:24,170 >> JAYSON FOR THE 2 HANDED DUNK! 241 00:07:24,189 --> 00:07:26,100 >> WHERE THE 6'10 POWER FORWARD 242 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,100 WAS ONE OF THE BEST REBOUNDERS 243 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,189 IN THE LEAGUE. 244 00:07:29,209 --> 00:07:30,069 >> FROM YOUR NEW JERSEY NETS, 245 00:07:30,089 --> 00:07:30,230 HERE'S JAYSON WILLIAMS! 246 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:32,040 >> OFF THE COURT HE WAS A HIT 247 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:34,050 TOO. 248 00:07:34,069 --> 00:07:34,209 >> Jayson: BOTH OF US ARE 249 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:35,120 OVERPAID, ME AND YOU, DAVE! 250 00:07:35,139 --> 00:07:35,290 >> WELL, SPEAK FOR YOUR 251 00:07:36,009 --> 00:07:36,259 YOURSELF. 252 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:41,269 >> Jayson: [LAUGHS] 253 00:07:41,290 --> 00:07:42,250 >> BUT HE ALSO EARNED ANOTHER 254 00:07:42,269 --> 00:07:43,040 REPUTATION. 255 00:07:43,060 --> 00:07:43,279 >> Jayson: I WAS NEVER AN ANGRY 256 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:44,230 DRUNK. 257 00:07:44,250 --> 00:07:46,060 I WAS A, "COME OVER TO MY TABLE, 258 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:47,040 THERE'S DRINKS AND MORE. 259 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:47,250 LET'S TELL SOME STORIES. 260 00:07:47,269 --> 00:07:51,090 LET'S LAUGH," KINDA GUY. 261 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:51,269 >> Mary: WHAT KINDA DRUGS DID 262 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:52,209 YOU DO? 263 00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:53,040 >> Jayson: COCAINE. 264 00:07:53,060 --> 00:07:56,069 BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT GOT ME. 265 00:07:56,090 --> 00:07:57,029 ALCOHOL IS WHAT GOT ME, WHAT 266 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:59,040 KEPT ME, WHAT LIED TO ME, WHAT 267 00:07:59,060 --> 00:07:59,159 WAS GOOD TO ME. 268 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:00,170 IT WAS WHATEVER I WANTED IT TO 269 00:08:00,189 --> 00:08:04,029 BE, THAT'S WHAT ALCOHOL WAS. 270 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:04,230 >> IN SPITE OF HIS DRINKING AND 271 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:09,199 DRUGGING, WILLIAMS SIGNED A 272 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:10,149 NINETY MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT 273 00:08:10,170 --> 00:08:11,060 WITH THE NETS IN 1999. 274 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:11,240 LITTLE DID HE KNOW THAT HIS 275 00:08:11,259 --> 00:08:12,209 CAREER WOULD END JUST A FEW 276 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:14,290 MONTHS LATER. 277 00:08:15,009 --> 00:08:17,040 >> BOTH MARBURY AND WILLIAMS IN 278 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:20,180 OBVIOUS PAIN, OH AND JAYSON THE 279 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:22,069 WAY HE IS REACTING WITH HIS LEG. 280 00:08:22,089 --> 00:08:24,290 OH. 281 00:08:25,009 --> 00:08:26,060 >> WILLIAMS SUFFERED A COMPOUND 282 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:28,050 FRACTURE OF HIS RIGHT LEG. 283 00:08:28,069 --> 00:08:29,199 >> Jayson: I KNEW I WAS IN 284 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:34,240 TROUBLE, WHEN THEY WERE SAYING, 285 00:08:34,259 --> 00:08:35,240 "GET HIM SOME ICE." 286 00:08:35,259 --> 00:08:36,110 AND I'M LOOKIN' DOWN GOING, 287 00:08:36,129 --> 00:08:36,169 "ICE? 288 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:37,059 THAT'S MY BONE POPPING OUT NOW. 289 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,009 LIKE, OH MY GOD." 290 00:08:38,029 --> 00:08:40,009 AND THEN FROM THERE ON, I 291 00:08:40,029 --> 00:08:44,039 STARTED CRYING IN MY BEER. 292 00:08:44,059 --> 00:08:44,289 "OH, POOR ME. 293 00:08:45,009 --> 00:08:45,090 OH, POOR ME." 294 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:46,000 >> BUT WILLIAMS'S LIFE WOULD 295 00:08:46,019 --> 00:08:51,110 ONLY GET WORSE FROM THERE. 296 00:08:51,129 --> 00:08:52,000 FIRST, AFTER LOSING TWO SISTERS 297 00:08:52,019 --> 00:08:52,190 AS A TEENAGER, HE SUDDENLY LOST 298 00:08:52,210 --> 00:08:53,009 A THIRD. 299 00:08:53,029 --> 00:08:54,100 >> Jayson: MY THIRD SISTER, 300 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,090 ROSEANNE. 301 00:08:56,110 --> 00:08:58,220 HER HUSBAND CAME HOME, HAD SOME 302 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,110 DRINKS, AND SHOT HER IN THE FACE 303 00:08:59,129 --> 00:08:59,250 AND KILLED HER. 304 00:08:59,269 --> 00:09:00,169 >> FOR WILLIAMS, IT MIGHT'VE 305 00:09:00,190 --> 00:09:08,049 BEEN A PAINFUL BUT IMPORTANT 306 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:09,080 LESSON, ABOUT THE DANGEROUS MIX 307 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:09,230 OF ALCOHOL AND FIREARMS. 308 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:10,120 INSTEAD, HE CONTINUED TO DRINK, 309 00:09:10,139 --> 00:09:11,000 AND INDULGE IN ANOTHER ONE OF 310 00:09:11,019 --> 00:09:12,250 HIS HOBBIES: GUNS. 311 00:09:12,269 --> 00:09:14,240 UNTIL ONE NIGHT IN 2002, WHEN 312 00:09:14,259 --> 00:09:17,049 WILLIAMS AND SOME FRIENDS 313 00:09:17,070 --> 00:09:20,049 RETURNED TO HIS MANSION IN NEW 314 00:09:20,070 --> 00:09:20,269 JERSEY AFTER A NIGHT OF 315 00:09:20,289 --> 00:09:23,269 PARTYING. 316 00:09:23,289 --> 00:09:24,250 >> Jayson: I WENT STRAIGHT TO MY 317 00:09:24,269 --> 00:09:25,049 INSECURITIES. 318 00:09:25,070 --> 00:09:25,259 I WENT AND SHOWED THEM MY GUNS. 319 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:29,179 >> WILLIAMS WAS PLAYING WITH A 320 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:34,269 SHOTGUN IN FRONT OF HIS FRIENDS 321 00:09:34,289 --> 00:09:35,210 AND THEIR LIMO DRIVER, GUS 322 00:09:35,230 --> 00:09:36,100 CHRISTOFI, WHEN HE SAYS THE GUN 323 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,009 ACCIDENTALLY WENT OFF, STRIKING 324 00:09:37,029 --> 00:09:37,169 CHRISTOFI IN THE CHEST AND 325 00:09:37,190 --> 00:09:38,269 KILLING HIM. 326 00:09:38,289 --> 00:09:41,129 ACCORDING TO WITNESSES, WILLIAMS 327 00:09:41,149 --> 00:09:42,190 TRIED TO COVER UP THE CRIME BY 328 00:09:42,210 --> 00:09:48,230 WIPING HIS FINGERPRINTS OFF THE 329 00:09:48,250 --> 00:09:49,129 GUN, HIDING HIS BLOODY CLOTHES, 330 00:09:49,149 --> 00:09:50,019 AND EVEN JUMPING IN HIS POOL TO 331 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:50,200 WASH CHRISTOFI'S BLOOD OFF HIS 332 00:09:50,220 --> 00:09:51,059 BODY. 333 00:09:51,080 --> 00:10:02,009 >> Jayson: I PANICKED. 334 00:10:02,029 --> 00:10:02,210 I DON'T REMEMBER TO THIS DAY 335 00:10:02,230 --> 00:10:03,070 WHAT I DID, I JUST RAN AND 336 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:03,210 JUMPED INTO THE POOL. 337 00:10:03,230 --> 00:10:04,100 >> Mary: YOU JUMPED IN THE POOL 338 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,039 TO GET THE BLOOD OFF? 339 00:10:05,059 --> 00:10:07,080 >> Jayson: I DON'T KNOW WHY I 340 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:12,100 JUMPED IN THE POOL. 341 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:12,289 PROBABLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA 342 00:10:13,009 --> 00:10:13,179 GET IN TROUBLE, BECAUSE I WAS A 343 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,009 SUPERSTAR, RIGHT? 344 00:10:14,029 --> 00:10:15,029 I WANTED SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO BE 345 00:10:15,049 --> 00:10:16,139 IN TROUBLE. 346 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:17,039 BE HONEST, WHEN YOU GET SOBER, 347 00:10:17,059 --> 00:10:18,009 YOU WONDER, "WHY IN THE F DID I 348 00:10:18,029 --> 00:10:18,269 DO THAT? 349 00:10:18,289 --> 00:10:21,019 WHY WOULD I DO THAT? 350 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:21,259 WHY WOULD I ACT THIS WAY?" 351 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:22,269 >> Mary: JAYSON, DO YOU THINK 352 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:23,169 ABOUT MR. CHRISTOFI EVERY SINGLE 353 00:10:23,190 --> 00:10:23,289 DAY OF YOUR LIFE? 354 00:10:24,009 --> 00:10:24,210 >> Jayson: EVERY SINGLE DAY OF 355 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:24,279 MY LIFE. 356 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:25,220 EVERY SINGLE DAY I THINK OF MR. 357 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:31,000 CHRISTOFI. 358 00:10:31,019 --> 00:10:31,240 I SEE SOMEBODY GET SHOT ON 359 00:10:31,259 --> 00:10:32,120 TELEVISION, OR I GO TO MOVIES, 360 00:10:32,139 --> 00:10:38,200 I'M HAVING TOO MUCH FUN. 361 00:10:38,220 --> 00:10:39,090 I'M HAVING TOO MUCH FUN, I THINK 362 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:39,169 ABOUT HIM. 363 00:10:39,190 --> 00:10:40,149 >> THE COUNTS WILL ALL RUN 364 00:10:40,169 --> 00:10:44,250 CONCURRENT TO EACH OTHER SO IT 365 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:45,120 WOULD BE A FIVE YEAR TERM IN 366 00:10:45,139 --> 00:10:46,029 STATE PRISON. 367 00:10:46,049 --> 00:10:51,100 >> WILLIAMS WAS CONVICTED ON 368 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:51,279 FOUR COUNTS OF COVERING UP THE 369 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,080 CRIME. 370 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:52,230 HE ALSO PLED GUILTY TO 371 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:53,200 AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. 372 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:55,169 >> Mary: YOU WERE SENTENCED TO 373 00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:56,029 FIVE YEARS IN PRISON. 374 00:10:56,049 --> 00:10:57,139 >> Jayson: YEAH. 375 00:10:57,159 --> 00:10:57,289 >> Mary: DID YOU GET OFF 376 00:10:58,009 --> 00:10:58,070 LIGHTLY? 377 00:10:58,090 --> 00:10:58,210 >> Jayson: YES. 378 00:10:58,230 --> 00:10:59,110 YEAH, I ACCIDENTALLY TOOK A 379 00:10:59,129 --> 00:11:00,240 MAN'S LIFE. 380 00:11:00,259 --> 00:11:04,190 HE'S NO LONGER HERE. 381 00:11:04,210 --> 00:11:05,129 AND BEING HONEST, PROBABLY 382 00:11:05,149 --> 00:11:16,190 SHOULD STILL BE IN THERE. 383 00:11:16,210 --> 00:11:17,139 >> WILLIAMS SERVED JUST 18 384 00:11:17,159 --> 00:11:18,029 MONTHS IN PRISON, BUT HIS LIFE 385 00:11:18,049 --> 00:11:18,120 WAS A MESS. 386 00:11:18,139 --> 00:11:19,000 HE WAS NOW DIVORCED, ESTRANGED 387 00:11:19,019 --> 00:11:19,230 FROM HIS TWO DAUGHTERS, AND 388 00:11:19,250 --> 00:11:20,149 TOXIC TO MANY OF HIS FRIENDS IN 389 00:11:20,169 --> 00:11:20,220 THE NBA. 390 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,259 SO HE GAVE INTO HIS DEMONS 391 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:23,049 AGAIN. 392 00:11:23,070 --> 00:11:23,230 >> Mary: AFTER EVERYTHING YOU 393 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:24,120 WENT THROUGH, WHY DID YOU START 394 00:11:24,139 --> 00:11:24,240 DRINKING AGAIN? 395 00:11:24,259 --> 00:11:25,250 >> Jayson: I STARTED DRINKIN' 396 00:11:25,269 --> 00:11:32,090 AGAIN 'CAUSE I THOUGHT I GOT IT. 397 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:33,039 I SAID, "I CAN BE ONE OF THOSE 398 00:11:33,059 --> 00:11:33,220 PEOPLE ON TELEVISION THAT CAN 399 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,049 HAVE ONE MARTINI." 400 00:11:34,070 --> 00:11:34,230 BUT MY MARTINI GLASS WAS THAT 401 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:36,019 BIG. 402 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:39,139 AND I CONSIDERED THAT ONE GLASS. 403 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:40,200 >> Mary: HOW BAD DID IT GET? 404 00:11:40,220 --> 00:11:41,240 >> Jayson: I DRANK MOONSHINE 405 00:11:41,259 --> 00:11:43,019 WHISKEY AND DANDELION WINE. 406 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:43,220 AND I WOULD JUST DRINK THAT ALL 407 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,289 DAY LONG. 408 00:11:45,009 --> 00:11:46,279 AND I WAS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF MY 409 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,179 DAMN MIND. 410 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,169 CRAZY. 411 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:50,269 >> FINALLY, AFTER WILLIAMS MADE 412 00:11:50,289 --> 00:11:52,220 HEADLINES FOR YET ANOTHER 413 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,210 ARREST, THIS TIME FOR A DRUNK 414 00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:56,019 DRIVING ACCIDENT, HE WAS 415 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:56,250 CONFRONTED BY TWO FELLOW NEW 416 00:11:56,269 --> 00:11:58,179 YORK SPORTS LEGENDS. 417 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,269 FORMER JETS STAR CURTIS MARTIN, 418 00:12:00,289 --> 00:12:05,250 AND FORMER KNICKS GREAT CHARLES 419 00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:06,259 OAKLEY, BOTH CLOSE FRIENDS OF 420 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:08,090 WILLIAMS, SHOWED UP AT HIS DOOR 421 00:12:08,110 --> 00:12:08,289 FOR AN INTERVENTION. 422 00:12:09,009 --> 00:12:09,149 >> Jayson: I KNEW I NEEDED 423 00:12:09,169 --> 00:12:10,080 TREATMENT. 424 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:12,070 I KNEW I NEEDED IT. 425 00:12:12,090 --> 00:12:12,240 BUT AS AN ATHLETE, DO YOU 426 00:12:12,259 --> 00:12:17,070 SURRENDER? 427 00:12:17,090 --> 00:12:17,250 WE DON'T SURRENDER BECAUSE WE 428 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:18,250 ALWAYS SAY WE DON'T HAVE A 429 00:12:18,269 --> 00:12:19,039 PROBLEM. 430 00:12:19,059 --> 00:12:19,190 >> BUT OAKLEY AND MARTIN 431 00:12:19,210 --> 00:12:20,210 EVENTUALLY GOT THROUGH TO 432 00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:22,120 WILLIAMS AND GOT HIM HELP IN 433 00:12:22,139 --> 00:12:26,159 FLORIDA. 434 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:27,100 WHERE HIS PATH TO SOBRIETY 435 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,289 BEGAN, HE SAYS, WHEN HE FINALLY 436 00:12:29,009 --> 00:12:30,009 STARTED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY 437 00:12:30,029 --> 00:12:34,049 FOR ALL OF THE DAMAGE HE DID TO 438 00:12:34,070 --> 00:12:35,049 HIMSELF AND SO MANY OTHERS. 439 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:37,120 >> Jayson: LOVE, EMPATHY, AND 440 00:12:37,139 --> 00:12:38,169 ACCOUNTABILITY. 441 00:12:38,190 --> 00:12:40,139 THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HELP 442 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:41,029 YOU GET BETTER, 'CAUSE THERE IS 443 00:12:41,049 --> 00:12:44,139 NO CURE. 444 00:12:44,159 --> 00:12:44,279 THERE IS NO CURE. 445 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,009 THERE'S JUST ACCOUNTABILITY. 446 00:12:46,029 --> 00:12:47,019 AND YOU BETTER BE AROUND PEOPLE 447 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:48,009 WHO ARE LIKE MINDED LIKE YOU. 448 00:12:48,029 --> 00:12:48,210 >> WILLIAMS SAYS THAT WHILE HE 449 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:50,009 WAS DETERMINED TO GET BETTER 450 00:12:50,029 --> 00:12:53,159 THERE WAS ONE VERY IMPORTANT 451 00:12:53,179 --> 00:12:54,009 ELEMENT MISSING FROM THE 452 00:12:54,029 --> 00:12:54,080 PROCESS. 453 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:55,059 >> Jayson: WHEN I WENT TO 454 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,000 TREATMENT, I SAW PEOPLE WALKING 455 00:12:59,019 --> 00:12:59,179 AROUND LIKE ZOMBIES WITH NO 456 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,129 ENERGY AND NO HOPE. 457 00:13:04,149 --> 00:13:04,220 NO SPORTS. 458 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:05,210 PEOPLE SITTING UNDER THIS TENT, 459 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:06,240 SMOKING CIGARETTES, TALKING 460 00:13:06,259 --> 00:13:07,129 ABOUT HOW MANY BAGS THEY DID OR 461 00:13:07,149 --> 00:13:11,039 HOW MUCH ALCOHOL THEY DRANK. 462 00:13:11,059 --> 00:13:12,049 AND I WAS JUST LIKE, "COME ON, 463 00:13:12,070 --> 00:13:12,220 MAN." 464 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,139 SO I ASKED SOMEONE ELSE, 465 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:14,029 "THERE'S THE OLD VOLLEYBALL NET 466 00:13:14,049 --> 00:13:16,019 OVER THERE." 467 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:17,120 I SAID, "IS THERE A BALL?" 468 00:13:17,139 --> 00:13:21,070 AND THEY WENT AND BOUGHT ONE. 469 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:21,240 AND THEN WE STARTED PLAYING 470 00:13:21,259 --> 00:13:22,129 VOLLEYBALL, JUST AS SIMPLE AS 471 00:13:22,149 --> 00:13:22,220 THAT, MARY. 472 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,070 AND IT BECAME COMPETITIVE. 473 00:13:26,090 --> 00:13:27,129 >> BEING AN ATHLETE AGAIN MADE 474 00:13:27,149 --> 00:13:28,019 WILLIAMS HAPPY, GAVE HIM A SENSE 475 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:28,250 OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. 476 00:13:28,269 --> 00:13:29,190 SO AFTER GETTING OUT OF REHAB HE 477 00:13:29,210 --> 00:13:33,070 DECIDED TO OPEN UP HIS OWN 478 00:13:33,090 --> 00:13:35,009 FACILITY. 479 00:13:35,029 --> 00:13:35,230 WHERE BEING ACTIVE IS JUST AS 480 00:13:35,250 --> 00:13:36,110 IMPORTANT AS TALKING WITH YOUR 481 00:13:36,129 --> 00:13:42,210 THERAPIST 482 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:43,240 IT'S CALLED "ADVENTURE THERAPY". 483 00:13:43,259 --> 00:13:56,029 EVERY DAY HE SPENDS HOURS DOING 484 00:13:56,049 --> 00:13:56,220 SOMETHING FUN AND EXCITING RIGHT 485 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,070 ALONGSIDE HIS PATIENTS. 486 00:13:57,090 --> 00:13:58,039 EVERYONE FROM REGULAR FOLKS LIKE 487 00:13:58,059 --> 00:13:59,000 TEACHERS AND DOCTORS, TO FORMER 488 00:13:59,019 --> 00:13:59,179 NBA PLAYERS WHO HAVE FALLEN ON 489 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:59,269 HARD TIMES. 490 00:13:59,289 --> 00:14:00,149 PLAYERS LIKE DELONTE WEST, WHO 491 00:14:00,169 --> 00:14:01,049 IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROGRAM 492 00:14:01,070 --> 00:14:02,190 AFTER LIVING ON THE STREETS FOR 493 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:05,149 THE LAST FEW YEARS. 494 00:14:05,169 --> 00:14:06,230 OR FORMER SIXER MIKE GMINKSI. 495 00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:08,110 GMINKSI USED TO MENTOR WILLIAMS 496 00:14:08,129 --> 00:14:15,129 WHEN THE TWO PLAYED TOGETHER IN 497 00:14:15,149 --> 00:14:16,009 PHILADELPHIA, BUT LAST YEAR IT 498 00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:16,169 WAS WILLIAMS' TURN TO HELP 499 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:17,110 GMINSKI, WHOSE LIFE WAS 500 00:14:17,129 --> 00:14:18,110 SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL. 501 00:14:18,129 --> 00:14:22,179 >> Mike: THE ONE MOMENT THAT 502 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,080 REALLY BLEW ME OUTTA THE WATER 503 00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:24,279 WAS THE DEATH OF MY FIANCE. 504 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,210 AND THEN THE THING THAT PUT IT 505 00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:28,250 OVER THE TOP WAS COVID. 506 00:14:28,269 --> 00:14:29,259 AND ALL I WAS DOING, MARY, I WAS 507 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:38,139 DRINKING AND PASSING OUT. 508 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:39,110 AND I'D GET UP IN THE MORNING 509 00:14:39,129 --> 00:14:40,009 AND I'D START DRINKING AGAIN AND 510 00:14:40,029 --> 00:14:40,200 I'D PASS OUT AT NIGHT. 511 00:14:40,220 --> 00:14:41,169 AND THAT WAS MY LIFE. 512 00:14:41,190 --> 00:14:42,059 >> Mary: WHAT KIND OF SHAPE WAS 513 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,230 MIKE GMINSKI IN WHEN HE GOT 514 00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:46,220 HERE? 515 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,120 >> Jayson: HIS SON NOAH DROVE 516 00:14:47,139 --> 00:14:47,289 HIM HERE. 517 00:14:48,009 --> 00:14:50,090 AND MIKE PROBABLY WENT THROUGH A 518 00:14:50,110 --> 00:14:50,289 HALF A GALLON OF LIQUOR ON THE 519 00:14:51,009 --> 00:14:51,190 TRIP HERE WHEN THEY WERE DRIVING 520 00:14:51,210 --> 00:14:53,090 FROM NORTH CAROLINA. 521 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:54,059 SO WHEN HE GOT OUT, WE COULD NOT 522 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,039 PICK HIM UP. 523 00:14:59,059 --> 00:15:00,100 LITERALLY, HE'S SEVEN FOOT OF A 524 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:00,259 MAN WHO'S NOT WELL. 525 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:01,159 I DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD MAKE IT 526 00:15:01,179 --> 00:15:02,259 OUTTA DETOX. 527 00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:05,230 >> GMINSKI SAYS HE DESPERATELY 528 00:15:05,250 --> 00:15:08,139 WANTED TO GET WELL, BUT WASN'T 529 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:09,019 READY FOR THE KIND OF THERAPY 530 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:10,019 WILLIAMS HAD IN MIND. 531 00:15:10,039 --> 00:15:10,289 >> Mike: I IMMEDIATELY SAID, 532 00:15:11,009 --> 00:15:11,240 "THERE IS NO F-IN' WAY I AM 533 00:15:11,259 --> 00:15:17,210 JUMPING OUT OF A PLANE EVER." 534 00:15:17,230 --> 00:15:18,129 >> Jayson: HE SAID, "JAY, I'M 535 00:15:18,149 --> 00:15:19,000 NOT JUMPIN' OUTTA NO FREAKIN' 536 00:15:19,019 --> 00:15:19,080 AIRPLANE." 537 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:20,070 [LAUGHS] 538 00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:21,019 THE DAY WE WENT TO JUMP, NO LIE, 539 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:21,240 IT WAS LIKE, "WHAT IN THE HELL 540 00:15:21,259 --> 00:15:23,059 DID YOU TALK ME INTO, MAN?" 541 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,279 >> Mike: WE GOT OVER TO THE 542 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:29,190 OPENING OF THE PLANE. 543 00:15:29,210 --> 00:15:30,080 I LOOKED DOWN AND THE WIND WAS 544 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:30,179 JUST HOWLING. 545 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,120 AND WE GOT OVER AND JUMPED OUT. 546 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:32,039 DID A SOMERSAULT, AND THEN ONCE 547 00:15:32,059 --> 00:15:33,039 WE STARTED TO FLOAT, I WAS, 548 00:15:33,059 --> 00:15:35,179 LIKE, "MAN, THIS IS COOL," 549 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,159 >> Jayson: YEAH! 550 00:15:39,179 --> 00:15:40,139 >> Mike: WE KINDA COME IN HOT 551 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:42,129 AND, YOU KNOW, HIT THE LANDING. 552 00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:42,289 AND I WAS LIKE, "CAN I GO 553 00:15:43,009 --> 00:15:44,289 AGAIN?" 554 00:15:45,009 --> 00:15:45,289 I MADE IT. 555 00:15:46,009 --> 00:15:50,179 >> Mike: THAT ONE SINGULAR 556 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,110 MOMENT JUST MADE EVERYTHING 557 00:15:51,129 --> 00:15:51,220 POSSIBLE FOR ME. 558 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,210 IT JUST GIVES YOU THE SENSE THAT 559 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:53,159 YOU CAN DO ANYTHING. 560 00:15:53,179 --> 00:15:55,019 AT LEAST IT GAVE ME THAT SENSE. 561 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:57,070 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN FACING A 562 00:15:57,090 --> 00:15:59,179 LIFE OF SOBRIETY, YOU KNOW, THAT 563 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,200 WAS AN INCREDIBLE HELP TO ME. 564 00:16:01,220 --> 00:16:02,110 >> Mary: SO ADVENTURE THERAPY 565 00:16:02,129 --> 00:16:06,190 WORKS? 566 00:16:06,210 --> 00:16:09,110 >> Mike: YEAH. 567 00:16:09,129 --> 00:16:10,190 I'M A HUGE, HUGE FAN. 568 00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:12,009 >> GMINSKI LEFT REBOUND LAST 569 00:16:12,029 --> 00:16:12,179 SEPTEMBER AND HAS BEEN SOBER 570 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,129 SINCE, IN PART HE SAYS, BECAUSE 571 00:16:13,149 --> 00:16:14,110 HE TALKS TO WILLIAMS AND HIS 572 00:16:14,129 --> 00:16:18,019 STAFF EVERY DAY. 573 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:18,200 >> THIS TEAM HAS YET TO WIN ON 574 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:21,009 THE ROAD. 575 00:16:21,029 --> 00:16:21,210 >> HE ALSO RETURNED TO WORK AS A 576 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:24,059 COLLEGE BASKETBALL BROADCASTER. 577 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,230 >> Mary: MIKE GMINSKI SAYS THAT 578 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:27,190 CONSIDERING WHERE HE WAS A YEAR 579 00:16:27,210 --> 00:16:28,240 AGO, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HIM 580 00:16:28,259 --> 00:16:29,120 BECAUSE OF REBOUND, BECAUSE OF 581 00:16:29,139 --> 00:16:34,090 YOU, IS A MIRACLE. 582 00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:34,269 >> Jayson: HE TOLD ME WHEN HE 583 00:16:34,289 --> 00:16:35,149 LEFT, HE SAID, "THANK YOU FOR 584 00:16:35,169 --> 00:16:36,289 SAVIN' MY LIFE." 585 00:16:37,009 --> 00:16:38,129 THERE IS NO BETTER FEELING THAN 586 00:16:38,149 --> 00:16:39,059 THAT. 587 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,000 AND IT MAKES YOU CRY. 588 00:16:41,019 --> 00:16:46,220 >> BUT THE HARSH REALITY IS THAT 589 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,090 MANY PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM 590 00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:50,159 ADDICTION END UP RELAPSING, AND 591 00:16:50,179 --> 00:16:51,049 SOME DIE. 592 00:16:51,070 --> 00:16:51,289 LIKE FORMER NBA PLAYER LEWIS 593 00:16:52,009 --> 00:16:56,100 LLOYD WHO OVERDOSED ON DRUGS 594 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:56,240 AFTER LEAVING REBOUND. 595 00:16:56,259 --> 00:16:57,129 >> Mary: WHEN YOU LOSE SOMEBODY 596 00:16:57,149 --> 00:16:57,259 LIKE LEWIS LLOYD -- 597 00:16:57,279 --> 00:16:58,149 >> Jayson: RIGHT. 598 00:16:58,169 --> 00:16:59,070 >> Mary: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU 599 00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:00,009 FAILED? 600 00:17:00,029 --> 00:17:01,029 >> Jayson: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. 601 00:17:01,049 --> 00:17:03,110 I TAKE A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY, 602 00:17:03,129 --> 00:17:04,130 SO IT'S A LOT OF ME SPENDING A 603 00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:05,289 LOT OF TIME WITH OUR LIFE 604 00:17:06,009 --> 00:17:11,029 COACHES AFTER THAT, AND THEM 605 00:17:11,049 --> 00:17:11,220 SAYING, "JAY, WE GOTTA MOVE ON. 606 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,099 WE GOT OTHER PEOPLE." 607 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,089 >> THE "OTHER PEOPLE", HE SAYS, 608 00:17:16,109 --> 00:17:16,289 ARE WHAT DRIVE HIM THESE DAYS, 609 00:17:17,009 --> 00:17:17,240 NOT ONLY TO TRY AND SAVE THEIR 610 00:17:17,259 --> 00:17:24,000 LIVES, BUT HIS OWN. 611 00:17:24,019 --> 00:17:24,220 FINALLY, AT 53, SOMEONE PEOPLE 612 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,220 CAN TRUST. 613 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,240 >> Jayson: WHEN SOMEBODY CAN 614 00:17:29,259 --> 00:17:31,190 COUNT ON YOU, MARY, IT'S THE 615 00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:32,069 BEST FEELING IN THE WORLD. 616 00:17:32,089 --> 00:17:32,269 THAT'S WHERE MY PEACE COMES. 617 00:17:32,289 --> 00:17:37,180 WHEN YOU SAY, "JAY, I'M LEAVING 618 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,130 YOU MY HUSBAND," "I'M LEAVING 619 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:39,009 YOU MY WIFE," "I'M LEAVING YOU 620 00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:39,170 MY SON," GET THEM BETTER. 621 00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:40,039 IT'S LIKE, "LET'S GO. 622 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:46,000 GAME ON." 623 00:17:46,019 --> 00:17:48,140 >> Bryant: MARY CARILLO IS 624 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,160 JOINING US FROM THE OTHER COAST 625 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:51,099 OF FLORIDA. 626 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,150 HEY MARY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? 627 00:17:52,170 --> 00:17:53,059 >> Mary: I'M VERY WELL, BRYANT, 628 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:53,130 THANKS. 629 00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:54,190 >> Bryant: MARY, WHAT DO MEDICAL 630 00:17:54,210 --> 00:17:55,269 PEOPLE, SCIENTIFIC PEOPLE, THINK 631 00:17:55,289 --> 00:17:56,130 ABOUT ADVENTURE THERAPY? 632 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:57,140 >> Mary: IT SEEMS TO BE ACCEPTED 633 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,009 AS A VERY HEALTHY WAY TO GO 634 00:17:58,029 --> 00:18:02,009 ABOUT TREATMENT, BRYANT. 635 00:18:02,029 --> 00:18:05,190 THESE GUYS, THESE MEN AND WOMEN, 636 00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:06,069 AREN'T HANGING AROUND IN A SMOKE 637 00:18:06,089 --> 00:18:06,259 FILLED ROOM, SITTING ON A COUCH, 638 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:07,150 BEMOANING THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS. 639 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:08,009 I THINK IT IS VERY WELL 640 00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:08,089 ACCEPTED. 641 00:18:08,109 --> 00:18:09,069 >> Bryant: BUT DOES IT JUST MASK 642 00:18:09,089 --> 00:18:13,200 THE PROBLEMS? 643 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:14,079 I MEAN, HE SAID HE'S SCARED OF 644 00:18:14,099 --> 00:18:15,269 FREE TIME. 645 00:18:15,289 --> 00:18:17,019 >> Mary: YEAH, HE DOES SAY THAT, 646 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:17,210 AND HE'S VERY HONEST ABOUT THE 647 00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:18,019 FACT THAT... 648 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:19,039 I SAID TO HIM, "ARE YOU STILL--" 649 00:18:19,059 --> 00:18:19,269 HE'S BEEN CLEAN FOR 5 YEARS, I 650 00:18:19,289 --> 00:18:20,269 SAID "ARE YOU STILL LIVING DAY 651 00:18:20,289 --> 00:18:23,009 BY DAY?" 652 00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:23,289 AND HE SAYS, "I LIVE BREATH BY 653 00:18:24,009 --> 00:18:27,190 BREATH." 654 00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:28,069 I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THAT IF 655 00:18:28,089 --> 00:18:31,140 HE STAYS HEALTHY, IF HE EXHAUSTS 656 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,019 HIMSELF PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY, 657 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:34,259 EMOTIONALLY, THEN IT'S A GOOD 658 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,150 WAY TO STAY CLEAN. 659 00:18:35,170 --> 00:18:36,109 AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE WHOLE 660 00:18:36,130 --> 00:18:39,289 DEAL ABOUT REBOUND. 661 00:18:40,009 --> 00:18:41,019 >> Bryant: MARY, HE AGREED THAT 662 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:41,250 HE GOT OFF LIGHT FOR KILLING A 663 00:18:41,269 --> 00:18:42,000 MAN. 664 00:18:42,019 --> 00:18:45,069 HOW, AND WHY, DID HE MANAGE TO 665 00:18:45,089 --> 00:18:45,259 SERVE ONLY 18 MONTHS? 666 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:46,160 >> Mary: HE TOLD ME HE SPENT 13 667 00:18:46,180 --> 00:18:57,230 MILLION DOLLARS IN LAWYERS. 668 00:18:57,250 --> 00:18:58,170 SO, I THINK IT TOOK AN AWFUL LOT 669 00:18:58,190 --> 00:18:59,049 OF LEGAL FEES FOR HIM TO SERVE 670 00:18:59,069 --> 00:18:59,210 THE AMOUNT OF TIME HE DID. 671 00:18:59,230 --> 00:19:00,250 BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, ALL HE 672 00:19:00,269 --> 00:19:01,259 SEEMS TO BE IS REPENTANT, THIS 673 00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:02,079 GUY. 674 00:19:02,099 --> 00:19:03,069 HE KNOWS HE'S MADE A LOT OF 675 00:19:03,089 --> 00:19:03,269 MISTAKES, AND HE'S NOW TRYING TO 676 00:19:03,289 --> 00:19:06,240 PAY FOR THEM. 677 00:19:06,259 --> 00:19:08,009 >> Bryant: YEAH. 678 00:19:08,029 --> 00:19:08,250 SPEAKING OF MONEY REAL QUICK, 679 00:19:08,269 --> 00:19:09,099 WHO'S PAYING THE TAB FOR 680 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:09,170 REBOUND? 681 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:10,269 >> Mary: IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PLACE 682 00:19:10,289 --> 00:19:11,160 TO REHAB, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO 683 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:11,269 MANY ACTIVITIES. 684 00:19:11,289 --> 00:19:16,109 IT COULD BE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 685 00:19:16,130 --> 00:19:16,230 DOLLARS A MONTH. 686 00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:17,250 THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO CANNOT 687 00:19:17,269 --> 00:19:18,099 PAY THAT. 688 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,089 HE'S LUCKY, JASON, THAT HE'S GOT 689 00:19:19,109 --> 00:19:22,240 SOME VERY WEALTHY BENEFACTORS 690 00:19:22,259 --> 00:19:23,150 WHO HAVE EITHER SENT THEIR 691 00:19:23,170 --> 00:19:24,039 HUSBANDS OR THEIR WIVES OR THEIR 692 00:19:24,059 --> 00:19:24,150 CHILDREN THERE. 693 00:19:24,170 --> 00:19:24,259 >> Bryant: YEAH. 694 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:25,049 NICE STORY. 695 00:19:25,069 --> 00:19:25,220 ALRIGHT MARY, THANKS SO VERY 696 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,049 MUCH. 697 00:19:26,069 --> 00:19:27,130 STAY SAFE, WILL YOU? 698 00:19:27,150 --> 00:19:28,150 >> Mary: I WILL. 699 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:30,279 >> Bryant: LET'S CHANGE GEARS 700 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:31,170 AND TURN TO A STORY THAT SEEMS 701 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:33,190 STRAIGHT OUT OF HOLLYWOOD. 702 00:19:33,210 --> 00:19:34,269 IT'S THE TALE OF A SEVERELY 703 00:19:34,289 --> 00:19:37,220 DISABLED GIRL WHO WAS ABANDONED 704 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,029 AND ABUSED IN AN ORPHANAGE, 705 00:19:39,049 --> 00:19:40,190 STRUGGLING TO SIMPLY SURVIVE, 706 00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:42,049 WHEN SHE WAS RESCUED BY A 707 00:19:42,069 --> 00:19:44,289 STRANGER HALF A WORLD AWAY. 708 00:19:45,009 --> 00:19:45,289 ALTHOUGH THAT'S THE STUFF OF 709 00:19:46,009 --> 00:19:46,200 DREAMS, OKSANA MASTERS' STORY IS 710 00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:50,079 ALL TOO REAL, AS IS HER 711 00:19:50,099 --> 00:19:51,009 INCREDIBLE SUCCESS AS A 712 00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:53,109 PARALYMPION ATHLETE IN FOUR 713 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:53,289 DIFFERENT SPORTS. 714 00:19:54,009 --> 00:19:54,150 OUR SOLEDAD O'BRIEN HAS A 715 00:19:54,170 --> 00:19:57,039 PROFILE. 716 00:19:57,059 --> 00:19:57,259 >> Oksana: GO! 717 00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:58,049 GO! 718 00:19:58,069 --> 00:20:00,049 GO! 719 00:20:00,069 --> 00:20:00,240 >> SHE IS PERHAPS THE GREATEST 720 00:20:00,259 --> 00:20:07,109 ATHLETE YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF. 721 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:08,039 HER NAME IS OKSANA MASTERS, AND 722 00:20:08,059 --> 00:20:09,130 SHE'S A JOCK OF ALL TRADES, ONE 723 00:20:09,150 --> 00:20:10,240 OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT 724 00:20:10,259 --> 00:20:13,089 SEEMINGLY EVERY SPORT SHE TRIES, 725 00:20:13,109 --> 00:20:19,059 WHETHER ON LAND... 726 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:19,180 OR OVER WATER. 727 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,240 WHETHER RACING ACROSS ICE... 728 00:20:22,259 --> 00:20:26,190 OR OPENING FIRE. 729 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:27,059 AND SHE DOES IT ALL WHILE 730 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:30,029 MISSING HALF HER LIMBS. 731 00:20:30,049 --> 00:20:30,210 >> Soledad: IS THERE ANYTHING 732 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:31,079 YOU CAN'T DO PHYSICALLY? 733 00:20:31,099 --> 00:20:36,180 >> Oksana: DANCE. 734 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,109 >> Soledad: BECAUSE OF YOUR 735 00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:37,170 KNEES? 736 00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:38,059 >> Oksana: BECAUSE OF MY KNEES, 737 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:38,250 AND I JUST HAVE NO RHYTHM TOO. 738 00:20:38,269 --> 00:20:39,119 >> Soledad: WHETHER YOU HAD 739 00:20:39,140 --> 00:20:39,289 KNEES OR NO KNEES, YOU JUST 740 00:20:40,009 --> 00:20:40,079 CAN'T DANCE. 741 00:20:40,099 --> 00:20:40,150 [LAUGHS] 742 00:20:40,170 --> 00:20:41,039 >> Oksana: YEAH. 743 00:20:41,059 --> 00:20:41,210 [LAUGHS] 744 00:20:41,230 --> 00:20:44,019 I'M JUST A BAD DANCER. 745 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:47,289 >> ANYWAY, HER DANCE CARD IS 746 00:20:48,009 --> 00:20:49,029 ALREADY FULL. 747 00:20:49,049 --> 00:20:49,289 MASTERS SPENDS HER DAYS TRAINING 748 00:20:50,009 --> 00:20:54,059 IN ONE SPORT AFTER THE NEXT. 749 00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:56,130 FROM CYCLING, TO CROSS COUNTRY 750 00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:59,000 SKIING, TO TARGET SHOOTING. 751 00:20:59,019 --> 00:21:02,009 >> Oksana: YES! 752 00:21:02,029 --> 00:21:03,000 >> Soledad: SO HOW HARD IS THAT 753 00:21:03,019 --> 00:21:04,099 ON YOUR BODY? 754 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,250 >> Oksana: I'M NOT GONNA 755 00:21:06,269 --> 00:21:07,130 SUGARCOAT IT, IT'S NOT FUN AND 756 00:21:07,150 --> 00:21:08,190 IT'S HARD. 757 00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:09,150 IT'S KIND OF, LIKE, "WHY AM I 758 00:21:09,170 --> 00:21:12,160 DOING THIS AGAIN?" 759 00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:13,049 BUT THEN WHEN I'M IN THE MOMENT 760 00:21:13,069 --> 00:21:13,240 OF DOING IT, I'M, LIKE, "I LOVE 761 00:21:13,259 --> 00:21:17,059 IT." 762 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:17,230 >> REPRESENTING THE UNITED 763 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:19,029 STATES OF AMERICA... 764 00:21:19,049 --> 00:21:22,079 >> OKSANA MASTERS! 765 00:21:22,099 --> 00:21:23,240 >> HER HARD WORK HAS TURNED HER 766 00:21:23,259 --> 00:21:25,160 INTO A DECORATED PARALYMPIAN, A 767 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:26,069 WINNER OF EIGHT MEDALS IN THREE 768 00:21:26,089 --> 00:21:29,000 DIFFERENT SPORTS. 769 00:21:29,019 --> 00:21:29,190 BUT WHAT MAKES HER TRULY 770 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:30,170 REMARKABLE ISN'T HER STORYBOOK 771 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:34,250 SUCCESS, IT'S WHERE HER STORY 772 00:21:34,269 --> 00:21:35,180 BEGAN, AND HOW SHE MANAGED TO 773 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,069 SURVIVE. 774 00:21:38,089 --> 00:21:42,059 >> THE SOVIET UNION HAS SUFFERED 775 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:43,089 ONE OF THE WORST DISASTERS IN 776 00:21:43,109 --> 00:21:50,079 THE HISTORY OF NUCLEAR POWER. 777 00:21:50,099 --> 00:21:50,279 >> MASTERS WAS BORN IN UKRAINE 778 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,210 DURING A TIME OF TRAGEDY AS THE 779 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:55,079 COUNTRY, THEN A PART OF THE 780 00:21:55,099 --> 00:21:55,250 SOVIET UNION, WAS TRYING TO 781 00:21:55,269 --> 00:21:56,089 RECOVER FROM THE MOST 782 00:21:56,109 --> 00:21:56,279 DEVASTATING NUCLEAR ACCIDENT IN 783 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,009 HISTORY. 784 00:22:01,029 --> 00:22:01,190 THE CHERNOBYL DISASTER, WHICH 785 00:22:01,210 --> 00:22:02,059 PUMPED RADIATION ACROSS THE 786 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:02,250 REGION, BELIEVED TO HAVE CAUSED 787 00:22:02,269 --> 00:22:03,140 COUNTLESS BIRTH DEFECTS IN THE 788 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,059 YEARS THAT FOLLOWED. 789 00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:05,079 WHEN MASTERS WAS BORN, SHE WAS 790 00:22:05,099 --> 00:22:08,029 MISSING A KIDNEY, AND PART OF 791 00:22:08,049 --> 00:22:08,269 HER STOMACH. 792 00:22:08,289 --> 00:22:09,150 SHE HAD NO THUMBS, BUT EXTRA 793 00:22:09,170 --> 00:22:10,049 TOES. 794 00:22:10,069 --> 00:22:12,279 AND SHE HAD RADICALLY DEFORMED 795 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,250 LEGS, WITH NO BONES INSIDE THEM 796 00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:18,210 TO PROPERLY SUPPORT HER WEIGHT. 797 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:19,240 SO BLEAK WAS HER FUTURE THAT HER 798 00:22:19,259 --> 00:22:21,190 PARENTS SIMPLY LEFT HER AT AN 799 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:22,089 ORPHANAGE, LEAVING HER TO GROW 800 00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:28,289 UP ALONE. 801 00:22:29,009 --> 00:22:30,130 >> Oksana: YOU WANT A FAMILY, 802 00:22:30,150 --> 00:22:31,089 YOU WANT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT 803 00:22:31,109 --> 00:22:31,279 LOVE WAS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS 804 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,049 WANTING. 805 00:22:32,069 --> 00:22:35,049 >> FOR YEARS, OKSANA WATCHED AS 806 00:22:35,069 --> 00:22:35,240 PROSPECTIVE PARENTS VISITED THE 807 00:22:35,259 --> 00:22:36,119 ORPHANAGE, LOOKING FOR A CHILD 808 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:36,200 TO ADOPT. 809 00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:39,119 NONE OF THEM WANTED THE DISABLED 810 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:39,269 GIRL. 811 00:22:39,289 --> 00:22:42,240 >> Oksana: YOU'D TRY TO BE ON 812 00:22:42,259 --> 00:22:43,160 YOUR BEST BEHAVIOR, 'CAUSE YOU 813 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:44,019 KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 814 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:44,200 YOU KNOW THAT, "PICK ME, PICK 815 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:45,269 ME, PLEASE PICK ME." 816 00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:49,210 >> Soledad: WERE THERE OTHER 817 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:50,220 KIDS WHO WERE GETTING ADOPTED? 818 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,029 >> Oksana: YEAH. 819 00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:51,170 AT FIRST IT WAS HARD. 820 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:52,230 AND IT MAKES YOU THINK, "WHAT'S 821 00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:53,279 WRONG WITH ME?" 822 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,160 YOU AUTOMATICALLY THINK IT'S 823 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:55,009 YOUR FAULT. 824 00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:59,130 YOU DIDN'T DO SOMETHING RIGHT. 825 00:22:59,150 --> 00:22:59,279 YOU WEREN'T CUTE ENOUGH. 826 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:00,170 AND THEN YOU BECOME IMMUNE TO 827 00:23:00,190 --> 00:23:03,289 IT. 828 00:23:04,009 --> 00:23:05,019 THEN IT JUST BECOMES NORMAL. 829 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:05,190 >> IT WASN'T JUST THAT SHE 830 00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:05,289 WANTED A FAMILY. 831 00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:06,170 MASTERS SAYS SHE NEEDED TO GET 832 00:23:06,190 --> 00:23:15,029 OUT OF THE ORPHANAGE. 833 00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:15,170 LIFE INSIDE WAS GRIM. 834 00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:16,109 >> Oksana: WE WERE SO HUNGRY. 835 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:17,180 WE HADN'T EATEN FOR, LIKE, I 836 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,049 DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG. 837 00:23:18,069 --> 00:23:18,240 IT WAS SO MANY DAYS, BUT THE 838 00:23:18,259 --> 00:23:19,130 PAIN IN YOUR STOMACH WHEN YOU'RE 839 00:23:19,150 --> 00:23:19,279 REALLY, REALLY HUNGRY... 840 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,160 THERE'S A LOT OF PAIN YOU CAN 841 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:21,130 IGNORE. 842 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:24,180 BUT THIS KIND OF A PAIN, YOU, IS 843 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,089 JUST SO IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE. 844 00:23:25,109 --> 00:23:26,230 >> MASTERS SAYS THAT ONE NIGHT 845 00:23:26,250 --> 00:23:28,200 SHE WAS SO DESPERATE FOR FOOD, 846 00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:32,000 SHE SNUCK INTO THE KITCHEN WITH 847 00:23:32,019 --> 00:23:33,000 HER BEST FRIEND, LANEY, LOOKING 848 00:23:33,019 --> 00:23:33,099 FOR SCRAPS. 849 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,099 THEY WERE SPOTTED. 850 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:35,279 >> Oksana: I HID UNDER THE 851 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000 TABLE. 852 00:23:37,019 --> 00:23:41,170 THEY SAW LANEY AND THEY GRABBED 853 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:42,039 HER. 854 00:23:42,059 --> 00:23:47,019 I CLOSED MY EARS BUT WATCHED 855 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:47,240 THEM HIT HER SO HARD AND SHE WAS 856 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:50,049 NOT MOVING AT ALL AFTERWARDS. 857 00:23:50,069 --> 00:23:53,259 THEY PICKED HER UP, AND THAT WAS 858 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:54,210 THE LAST TIME THAT I... 859 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:55,140 [CRYING] 860 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,039 YEAH, THE LAST TIME THAT I SAW 861 00:23:59,059 --> 00:24:02,230 HER, AND MY LAST, LIKE, THAT, 862 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:04,210 SHE WAS THE ONLY VERSION OF 863 00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:07,279 FAMILY THAT I KNEW. 864 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,049 AND THE ONLY THING THAT 865 00:24:09,069 --> 00:24:12,220 PROTECTED ME ON THOSE REALLY BAD 866 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,140 NIGHTS. 867 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,180 >> NOT ONLY DID MASTERS WATCH AS 868 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,230 HER BEST FRIEND WAS EVIDENTLY 869 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:21,220 BEATEN TO DEATH, BUT WITHOUT 870 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,269 LANEY, HER LIFE AT THE ORPHANAGE 871 00:24:22,289 --> 00:24:24,240 ONLY GOT WORSE. 872 00:24:24,259 --> 00:24:28,250 MASTERS SAYS THE ORPHANAGE WAS 873 00:24:28,269 --> 00:24:29,160 CONNECTED TO A BROTHEL, AND MALE 874 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:32,240 STRANGERS WOULD ENTER HER ROOM 875 00:24:32,259 --> 00:24:33,180 AT NIGHT, AND ASSAULT HER. 876 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,069 ONE NIGHT WHEN SHE WAS SIX, SHE 877 00:24:34,089 --> 00:24:38,140 TRIED TO FIGHT BACK. 878 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,000 >> Oksana: SOMEBODY WAS ON TOP 879 00:24:40,019 --> 00:24:43,049 OF ME. 880 00:24:43,069 --> 00:24:43,259 AND THEY GOT OUT A FLIP KNIFE. 881 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:44,200 I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO 882 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:45,099 CONTROL ME. 883 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,200 I WAS FIGHTING AND IT CUT ME. 884 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,230 >> MASTERS WAS SLASHED ACROSS 885 00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:52,140 THE STOMACH, AND STILL BEARS THE 886 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,220 SCAR. 887 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,279 >> Oksana: IT'S A PERMANENT SCAR 888 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,049 TO REMIND YOU OF THE ONE TIME IN 889 00:24:58,069 --> 00:25:01,130 YOUR LIFE THAT SOMEONE HAD 890 00:25:01,150 --> 00:25:04,019 CONTROL OVER YOUR BODY MORE THAN 891 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:04,200 YOU HAD OF YOURS, OF YOUR OWN 892 00:25:04,220 --> 00:25:05,000 BODY. 893 00:25:05,019 --> 00:25:08,059 >> Soledad: I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE 894 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:08,240 THE STRENGTH OF A LITTLE CHILD 895 00:25:08,259 --> 00:25:09,069 TO GET THROUGH THAT. 896 00:25:09,089 --> 00:25:09,259 >> Oksana: IT'S YOUR EVERY DAY. 897 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:15,200 >> WHAT OKSANA DIDN'T KNOW AT 898 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:16,089 THE TIME WAS THAT HER PHOTO HAD 899 00:25:16,109 --> 00:25:17,220 MADE ITS WAY?INTO AN ADOPTION 900 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,099 NEWSLETTER IN AMERICA, AND HAD 901 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,240 CAUGHT THE EYE OF ONE 902 00:25:18,259 --> 00:25:20,029 PROSPECTIVE MOTHER. 903 00:25:20,049 --> 00:25:21,029 >> Gay: IT WAS PRETTY CRAZY 904 00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:23,170 'CAUSE I ONLY WANTED AN INFANT. 905 00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:27,119 BUT I SAW A PICTURE OF HER AND 906 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:30,039 HER EYES WERE JUST ENTICING. 907 00:25:30,059 --> 00:25:30,240 AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE 908 00:25:30,259 --> 00:25:31,170 SEES WHAT I SAW IN THOSE EYES. 909 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:35,150 >> Soledad: WHAT DID YOU SEE IN 910 00:25:35,170 --> 00:25:36,029 THE EYES? 911 00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:37,079 >> Gay: I JUST SAW MY DAUGHTER. 912 00:25:37,099 --> 00:25:37,259 >> GAY MASTERS, THEN A SINGLE 913 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,160 COLLEGE PROFESSOR, SAYS SHE 914 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:42,099 BECAME DETERMINED TO ADOPT THE 915 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,039 LITTLE GIRL IN THE PHOTO. 916 00:25:46,059 --> 00:25:46,240 THIS IS THE ONE WHERE SHE'S JUST 917 00:25:46,259 --> 00:25:47,109 LIKE "COME AND GET ME". 918 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:51,150 >> AND ALL HER PHYSICAL 919 00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:52,059 CHALLENGES. 920 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:52,230 >> Soledad: WHY WERE YOU NOT 921 00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:53,000 AFRAID? 922 00:25:53,019 --> 00:25:53,190 >> Gay: BECAUSE I GUESS I FELT 923 00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:54,220 THAT CONNECTION. 924 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:02,150 AND I WAS THINKING, "WELL, 925 00:26:02,170 --> 00:26:03,089 THERE'S DEFINITELY WORSE THINGS 926 00:26:03,109 --> 00:26:03,230 THAN PROSTHETICS OR A 927 00:26:03,250 --> 00:26:04,039 WHEELCHAIR." 928 00:26:04,059 --> 00:26:05,160 >> BACK AT THE ORPHANAGE, OKSANA 929 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:07,240 WAS TOLD SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE A 930 00:26:07,259 --> 00:26:08,130 MOTHER, AND NOW IT WAS HER TURN 931 00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:10,240 TO FALL IN LOVE WITH A PHOTO, 932 00:26:10,259 --> 00:26:11,190 THE PHOTO OF GAY MASTERS 933 00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:12,039 ATTACHED TO HER ADOPTION 934 00:26:12,059 --> 00:26:14,029 PAPERWORK. 935 00:26:14,049 --> 00:26:14,220 >> Oksana: I WOULD ASK TO LOOK 936 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,230 AT HER PICTURE EVERY SINGLE DAY. 937 00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:19,029 IT WAS SOMETHING WITH HER SMILE. 938 00:26:19,049 --> 00:26:21,190 IT WAS AN HONEST SMILE FOR ME. 939 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:22,279 >> Soledad: THAT PHOTO IS THIS 940 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,039 BIG. 941 00:26:24,059 --> 00:26:26,210 IT'S A PASSPORT PHOTO. 942 00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:28,150 AND YOU COULD TELL FROM THE 943 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:29,019 SMILE IN THAT PHOTO THAT YOU 944 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:29,230 WERE LOOKING AT THAT SHE HAD AN 945 00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:31,089 HONEST SMILE? 946 00:26:31,109 --> 00:26:32,250 >> Oksana: YEAH. 947 00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:33,160 NO MATTER WHAT BAD THING WAS 948 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:34,259 HAPPENING, WHAT CRUEL THINGS 949 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:35,180 THEY WERE DOING TO YOU I LOOKED 950 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,069 AT MY MOM'S PICTURE AND JUST 951 00:26:36,089 --> 00:26:39,150 CREATED THIS LIFE WITH HER. 952 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:40,240 THANK GOSH FOR PHOTOGRAPHY, 953 00:26:40,259 --> 00:26:43,170 'CAUSE THAT KEPT ME I THINK 954 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:45,170 ALIVE AND SO AND KEPT GOING IN 955 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:46,039 SO MANY WAYS. 956 00:26:46,059 --> 00:26:47,079 >> AFTER NEARLY TWO YEARS OF 957 00:26:47,099 --> 00:26:50,069 ENDLESS PAPERWORK AND PATIENCE, 958 00:26:50,089 --> 00:26:51,170 THE ADOPTION WENT THROUGH. 959 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:53,210 GAY WENT TO UKRAINE, AND OKSANA 960 00:26:53,230 --> 00:26:56,099 FINALLY MET HER NEW MOTHER. 961 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,049 >> Oksana: THE FIRST THING 962 00:26:57,069 --> 00:26:59,140 WAKING UP WAS SEEING HER FACE, 963 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,039 BEING WOKEN UP, AND LIKE, "WE 964 00:27:00,059 --> 00:27:04,029 HAVE SOMEONE HERE TO MEET YOU," 965 00:27:04,049 --> 00:27:05,079 AND SHE KNEELED DOWN BESIDE ME, 966 00:27:05,099 --> 00:27:05,259 AND IT WAS, IT WAS HER, IT WAS 967 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,049 REAL. 968 00:27:08,069 --> 00:27:10,009 >> Oksana: MY MOM BEING GOOFY. 969 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:12,170 >> THE MOTHER-DAUGHTER PAIR 970 00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:13,150 RETURNED TO THE STATES, AND 971 00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:14,089 OKSANA BEGAN TO LIVE OUT HER 972 00:27:14,109 --> 00:27:15,279 AMERICAN DREAM. 973 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,019 >> OH MY GOD, FAT, BIG CANDY 974 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:19,160 CANE. 975 00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:23,200 >> SHE LEARNED ENGLISH. 976 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:24,059 >> YES! 977 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:25,230 >> AND FOR THE FIRST TIME HAD 978 00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:28,190 HER OWN TOYS, AND HER OWN 979 00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:29,019 FAMILY. 980 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:29,180 BUT IN OTHER WAYS, OKSANA 981 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,000 STRUGGLED TO BREAK FREE OF HER 982 00:27:31,019 --> 00:27:31,230 PAST. 983 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:32,190 FOR ONE THING, SHE WAS 984 00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:35,200 FRIGHTENINGLY SMALL, AFTER YEARS 985 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:36,039 OF MALNUTRITION. 986 00:27:36,059 --> 00:27:36,289 >> Gay: SHE WAS TINY. 987 00:27:37,009 --> 00:27:39,079 >> Soledad: SEVEN YEARS OLD? 988 00:27:39,099 --> 00:27:40,140 THIRTY-FIVE POUNDS? 989 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,240 >> Gay: SHE WAS THE SIZE OF MY 990 00:27:43,259 --> 00:27:44,150 NEIGHBOR'S THREE-YEAR-OLD. 991 00:27:44,170 --> 00:27:45,279 >> OKSANA WAS ALSO HAUNTED BY 992 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,250 HER DARK PAST, THE DETAILS OF 993 00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:50,170 WHICH SHE KEPT SECRET FROM HER 994 00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:55,130 NEW MOTHER, WHO COULD ONLY TRY 995 00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:55,279 TO PIECE TOGETHER CLUES. 996 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,210 >> Gay: SHE DIDN'T LIKE TO TALK 997 00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:57,069 A LOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. 998 00:27:57,089 --> 00:27:57,240 SO THESE LITTLE PIECES WOULD 999 00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:58,079 COME OUT. 1000 00:27:58,099 --> 00:27:59,160 WE GOT SOME UKRAINIAN DOLLS, 1001 00:27:59,180 --> 00:28:01,279 THEY WERE ALWAYS CALLED LANEY. 1002 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,029 I WONDERED, SORT OF, IF 1003 00:28:04,049 --> 00:28:04,200 SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED. 1004 00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:05,140 >> Soledad: SHE HAD A SCAR ON 1005 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,140 HER BELLY? 1006 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,140 >> Gay: YEAH. 1007 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,089 IT WAS A VERY LARGE SCAR ON A 1008 00:28:12,109 --> 00:28:14,220 VERY SMALL CHILD. 1009 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,230 >> AND, OF COURSE, OKSANA WAS 1010 00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:19,150 STILL SEVERELY DEFORMED. 1011 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:20,019 WITH WEBBED FINGERS, AND NO 1012 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:20,200 THUMBS, SHE STRUGGLED AT EVEN 1013 00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:23,140 SIMPLE TASKS. 1014 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,130 HER LEGS WERE IN EVEN WORSE 1015 00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:26,200 CONDITION, SO BAD THAT DOCTORS 1016 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:29,019 EVENTUALLY DETERMINED THEY'D 1017 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,279 NEED TO BE REMOVED. 1018 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,150 FOR OKSANA, WHO'D HOPED TO 1019 00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:35,210 FINALLY HAVE A NORMAL LIFE IN 1020 00:28:35,230 --> 00:28:36,220 AMERICA, THE AMPUTATIONS LEFT 1021 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,009 HER DEVASTATED. 1022 00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:39,240 >> Oksana: I HATED MYSELF. 1023 00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:40,259 I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SEE POWER 1024 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:43,140 IN MYSELF AND TO LOVE MYSELF AND 1025 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,119 TO THINK I AM STRONG. 1026 00:28:45,140 --> 00:28:47,259 >> GAY KNEW HER DAUGHTER NEEDED 1027 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:52,240 HELP, SO SHE CAME TO OKSANA'S 1028 00:28:52,259 --> 00:28:53,190 RESCUE AGAIN, SHOWING HER THAT 1029 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:54,170 SHE DIDN'T NEED LEGS TO BE 1030 00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:56,079 COMPLETE. 1031 00:28:56,099 --> 00:28:58,200 GAY ENROLLED OKSANA IN A ROWING 1032 00:28:58,220 --> 00:28:59,150 CLASS, A CLASS THAT WOULD CHANGE 1033 00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:02,259 HER LIFE. 1034 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:03,150 >> Oksana: I'VE NEVER FELT LIKE 1035 00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:04,069 I'VE BELONGED SOMEWHERE IN MY 1036 00:29:04,089 --> 00:29:07,210 LIFE MORE THAN IN THAT MOMENT IN 1037 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:09,029 THAT BOAT. 1038 00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:09,279 AND I JUST FELT LIKE A WHOLE NEW 1039 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,240 PERSON WHEN I GOT OFF THE DOCK. 1040 00:29:11,259 --> 00:29:13,069 >> MASTERS SAYS SHE COULDN'T 1041 00:29:13,089 --> 00:29:15,210 WAIT TO GET BACK INTO THE BOAT. 1042 00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:17,049 AND THE MORE SHE ROWED, THE MORE 1043 00:29:17,069 --> 00:29:19,140 SHE HEALED. 1044 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,289 >> Oksana: IT STARTED OUT AS AN 1045 00:29:24,009 --> 00:29:24,180 OUTLET. 1046 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,089 IT STARTED OUT AS A RELEASE. 1047 00:29:25,109 --> 00:29:26,039 IT STARTED OUT AS A VOICE, WHEN 1048 00:29:26,059 --> 00:29:27,170 I DID NOT WANT TO VERBALIZE OR 1049 00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:33,130 SPEAK THINGS AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW 1050 00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:34,009 TO EXPRESS THEM EXCEPT THROUGH 1051 00:29:34,029 --> 00:29:35,059 JUST PULLING ON THE OARS AS HARD 1052 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,059 AS I COULD. 1053 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,279 AFTER A FEW YEARS OF TRAINING, 1054 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:40,259 MASTERS WAS COMPETING AT THE 1055 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:44,259 HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE SPORT. 1056 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,140 >> UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! 1057 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,180 >> AND IN 2012 SHE WAS TAPPED TO 1058 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,069 REPRESENT HER ADOPTIVE COUNTRY 1059 00:29:50,089 --> 00:29:53,190 AT THE PARALYMPIC GAMES IN 1060 00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:54,220 LONDON. 1061 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,099 >> Soledad: YOU WALK INTO THE 1062 00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:55,190 PARALYMPICS. 1063 00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:57,000 WHAT'S GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD? 1064 00:29:57,019 --> 00:30:01,200 >> Oksana: DON'T FALL. 1065 00:30:01,220 --> 00:30:02,160 DON'T BE THAT ONE TO FALL IN THE 1066 00:30:02,180 --> 00:30:03,079 OPENING CEREMONY. 1067 00:30:03,099 --> 00:30:03,250 >> NOT ONLY DID MASTERS NOT 1068 00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:07,079 FALL, SHE AND HER PARTNER IN THE 1069 00:30:07,099 --> 00:30:08,109 PAIRS COMPETITION ENDED UP ON 1070 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:11,240 THE PODIUM, WITH A BRONZE MEDAL. 1071 00:30:11,259 --> 00:30:17,150 IT WAS HER FIRST TASTE OF GLORY, 1072 00:30:17,170 --> 00:30:18,230 AND MASTERS LIKED IT. 1073 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:19,119 SO SHE BEGAN LOOKING FOR NEW 1074 00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:20,039 SPORTS THAT SHE COULD TRY, NEW 1075 00:30:20,059 --> 00:30:20,220 WAYS OF PROVING WHAT SHE COULD 1076 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,099 DO. 1077 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:23,289 >> Oksana: I'M SO COMPETITIVE 1078 00:30:24,009 --> 00:30:25,250 THAT EVERY TIME I GET A SPORT, 1079 00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:26,150 I'M, LIKE, "I'M HONESTLY 1080 00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:27,029 THINKING ABOUT THE PARALYMPIC 1081 00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:27,109 LEVEL. 1082 00:30:27,130 --> 00:30:28,079 WHEN'S THE NEXT GAMES? 1083 00:30:28,099 --> 00:30:32,259 WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO GET 1084 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:33,269 THERE?" 1085 00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:36,220 >> SHE FOLLOWED HER PLAN. 1086 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,089 TWO YEARS LATER, IN A NEW 1087 00:30:37,109 --> 00:30:37,279 SEASON, AND A NEW SPORT, NORDIC 1088 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,269 SKIING, MASTERS WON TWO MORE 1089 00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:43,079 PARALYMPIC MEDALS. 1090 00:30:43,099 --> 00:30:43,259 >> AND OKSANA MASTERS CROSSES 1091 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,150 THE LINE! 1092 00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:49,250 >> BUT HER CROWNING MOMENT CAME 1093 00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:51,200 AT THE 2018?GAMES?IN SOUTH 1094 00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:51,259 KOREA. 1095 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,130 MASTERS EARNED?FIVE MEDALS IN 1096 00:30:53,150 --> 00:30:59,160 ALL, INCLUDING TWO IN YET 1097 00:30:59,180 --> 00:31:00,039 ANOTHER DISCIPLINE, BIATHLON. 1098 00:31:00,059 --> 00:31:00,210 >> AND NOW OKSANA MASTERS 1099 00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:04,069 CHARGING TO THE FINISH LINE. 1100 00:31:04,089 --> 00:31:05,089 >> AND FINALLY CAPTURED HER 1101 00:31:05,109 --> 00:31:06,079 FIRST GOLD. 1102 00:31:06,099 --> 00:31:07,039 >> Oksana: LITERALLY FIVE METERS 1103 00:31:07,059 --> 00:31:08,119 FROM THE FINISH LINE. 1104 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:09,049 I'M, LIKE, "OH MY GOD," I'M, 1105 00:31:09,069 --> 00:31:10,009 LIKE, IN MY MIND HAVING THIS 1106 00:31:10,029 --> 00:31:10,180 CONVERSATION, FREAKING OUT! 1107 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,069 LIKE, "THIS IS HAPPENING, THIS 1108 00:31:11,089 --> 00:31:12,140 IS GONNA HAPPEN. 1109 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,009 OH MY GOD, I'M GONNA BE A GOLD 1110 00:31:16,029 --> 00:31:16,099 MEDALIST!" 1111 00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:22,089 >> AND SHE'S A FIRST TIME GOLD 1112 00:31:22,109 --> 00:31:22,289 MEDAL WINNER AT THE PARALYMPIC 1113 00:31:23,009 --> 00:31:23,049 GAMES! 1114 00:31:23,069 --> 00:31:23,160 >> Oksana: YEAH! 1115 00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:24,049 >> MASTERS KNOWS SHE WILL NEVER 1116 00:31:24,069 --> 00:31:26,180 OUTRACE HER PAST. 1117 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,109 BUT SHE SAYS SHE USES HER TRAUMA 1118 00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:30,079 AS FUEL. 1119 00:31:30,099 --> 00:31:32,069 PARTICULARLY THE MEMORY OF HER 1120 00:31:32,089 --> 00:31:35,069 ONLY CHILDHOOD FRIEND, LANEY. 1121 00:31:35,089 --> 00:31:38,089 >> Oksana: WHEN I AM IN A RACE I 1122 00:31:38,109 --> 00:31:38,279 LITERALLY SOMETIMES GO TO SOME 1123 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,160 PRETTY DARK MEMORIES, AND THEN 1124 00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:43,059 THERE'S SOMETIMES ALL OF A 1125 00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:43,230 SUDDEN, I FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY 1126 00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:46,119 JUST PUSHED ME FORWARD. 1127 00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:52,140 IN MY MIND, THAT'S LANEY. 1128 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,039 AND SHE IS 100% THERE ALWAYS AND 1129 00:31:53,059 --> 00:31:54,039 WILL BE ALWAYS THERE. 1130 00:31:54,059 --> 00:31:57,160 AND I JUST WISH SHE GOT TO MAKE 1131 00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:59,140 IT OUT OF THERE AS WELL. 1132 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,230 >> THESE DAYS, MASTERS IS 1133 00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:04,049 TRAINING IN PURSUIT OF WINNING A 1134 00:32:04,069 --> 00:32:04,289 MEDAL IN HER FOURTH SPORT, HAND 1135 00:32:05,009 --> 00:32:07,190 CYCLING. 1136 00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:08,289 SHE HOPES THAT HER TRAINING 1137 00:32:09,009 --> 00:32:10,119 PARTNER, FELLOW PARALYMPIAN 1138 00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:11,019 AARON PIKE, WILL HELP HER GET ON 1139 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,269 THE PODIUM, AND MAKE HISTORY. 1140 00:32:13,289 --> 00:32:16,019 >> Aaron: SHE'S JUST RELENTLESS. 1141 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:17,180 I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY, LIKE, 1142 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,119 SOMEBODY WANTS IT BADDER THAN 1143 00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:19,059 SOMEONE ELSE. 1144 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:20,130 LIKE, WHEN YOU'RE WATCHING A 1145 00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:21,250 COMMENTATOR SAY THAT. 1146 00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:24,119 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS AN ATHLETE, 1147 00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:25,029 YOU'RE LIKE THEY BOTH OBVIOUSLY 1148 00:32:25,049 --> 00:32:25,170 WANT IT JUST AS BAD. 1149 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:26,160 BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU, 1150 00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:27,029 LIKE, THINK THAT'S TRUE WITH 1151 00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:29,269 OKSANA. 1152 00:32:29,289 --> 00:32:32,170 >> Oksana: I AM SO LUCKY TO HAVE 1153 00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:35,059 A REALLY GOOD-LOOKING TRAINING 1154 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:35,240 PARTNER. 1155 00:32:35,259 --> 00:32:36,230 HE'S ALSO MY BOYFRIEND, MY BEST 1156 00:32:36,250 --> 00:32:40,000 FRIEND. 1157 00:32:40,019 --> 00:32:41,099 BESIDES MY PROSTHETICS, HE'S MY 1158 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:47,279 BETTER HALF, BECAUSE MY 1159 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,170 PROSTHETICS ARE MY BETTER HALF 1160 00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:48,220 TOO. 1161 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,099 CAN'T GET FAR WITHOUT THEM. 1162 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:50,000 >> FOR SEVEN YEARS THE TWO HAVE 1163 00:32:50,019 --> 00:32:51,269 BEEN INSEPARABLE. 1164 00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:54,059 LIKE MASTERS, PIKE ALSO 1165 00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:55,130 UNDERSTANDS TRAGEDY. 1166 00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:58,029 AS A THIRTEEN-YEAR-OLD HE WAS 1167 00:32:58,049 --> 00:32:59,089 INVOLVED IN A HUNTING ACCIDENT 1168 00:32:59,109 --> 00:33:02,109 THAT LEFT HIM WITH A BULLET IN 1169 00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:03,000 HIS SPINE AND LIMITED MOBILITY 1170 00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:03,220 IN HIS LEGS. 1171 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,130 THEY SAY THEY BRING OUT THE BEST 1172 00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:07,039 IN EACH OTHER. 1173 00:33:07,059 --> 00:33:08,089 >> Oksana: OH GOD! 1174 00:33:08,109 --> 00:33:11,009 >> WHEN THE PAIR ISN'T TRAINING 1175 00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:11,279 OR COMPETING, THEY ENJOY 1176 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,200 SPENDING TIME AT HOME, IN 1177 00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:19,230 CHAMPAIGN, ILLINOIS, WHERE 1178 00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:20,089 FAMILY MEALS ARE ROUTINE, 1179 00:33:20,109 --> 00:33:20,279 BECAUSE GAY JUST MOVED DOWN THE 1180 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,109 ROAD. 1181 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:23,220 >> Soledad: THE NUMBER OF THINGS 1182 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,109 THAT SHE'S HAD TO OVERCOME TO 1183 00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:24,289 JUST GET THROUGH, FORGET ABOUT 1184 00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:25,109 BEING A CHAMPION. 1185 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:27,130 >> Gay: RIGHT. 1186 00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:28,019 >> Soledad: BUT JUST TO SURVIVE. 1187 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:28,289 >> Gay: YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW 1188 00:33:29,009 --> 00:33:35,150 SHE'S DONE IT. 1189 00:33:35,170 --> 00:33:36,170 >> Soledad: SHE GIVES YOU A LOT 1190 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:38,109 OF CREDIT. 1191 00:33:38,130 --> 00:33:38,279 SHE SAYS YOU SAVED HER LIFE. 1192 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,170 >> Gay: WELL, SHE SAVED MY LIFE 1193 00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:40,079 TOO BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF HER, I 1194 00:33:40,099 --> 00:33:41,049 GOT TO BE A MOM. 1195 00:33:41,069 --> 00:33:42,140 >> Oksana: SHE SAVED ME WHEN SHE 1196 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,119 ADOPTED ME, AND SHE SAVED ME 1197 00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:44,170 AGAIN WHEN SHE PUSHED ME INTO 1198 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:46,089 ROWING AND SPORTS. 1199 00:33:46,109 --> 00:33:50,019 IT'S WILD TO THINK BACK OF WHERE 1200 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,150 I STARTED WITH MY LIFE, A LITTLE 1201 00:33:53,170 --> 00:33:57,059 GIRL WHO HAD NO VOICE. 1202 00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,069 TO NOW, LIKE, LITERALLY LIVING 1203 00:33:58,089 --> 00:34:05,109 MY DREAMS. 1204 00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:06,269 SICKLE MUSICAL 1205 00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:07,150 >> Bryant: PLEASED TO WELCOME 1206 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:12,170 SOLEDAD O'BRIEN. 1207 00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:13,059 HEY SOLEDAD, HOW ARE YOU DOING? 1208 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:13,210 >> Soledad: HI, BRYANT. 1209 00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:14,159 I'M GREAT, HOW ARE YOU DOING? 1210 00:34:14,179 --> 00:34:15,010 >> Bryant: I'M ALRIGHT. 1211 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:15,199 I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT OKSANA IN A 1212 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:16,090 SECOND, LET'S TALK ABOUT GAY FOR 1213 00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:16,170 A MOMENT. 1214 00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:17,059 SHE'S A HERO TOO IN THIS, YEAH? 1215 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:17,289 >> Soledad: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 1216 00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:18,230 IMAGINE WAITING TWO YEARS IN 1217 00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:19,269 ORDER TO BE ABLE TO RESCUE A 1218 00:34:19,289 --> 00:34:20,139 PARTICULAR CHILD FROM THAT 1219 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,099 PARTICULAR ORPHANAGE. 1220 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,059 SO, YEAH, I'D DEFINITELY SAY A 1221 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:27,010 HERO. 1222 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:27,190 >> Bryant: AND THIS PARTICULAR 1223 00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:28,050 CHILD TURNED OUT TO BE SO 1224 00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:28,219 AMAZING. 1225 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,110 DOES SHE HAVE SPONSORS BACKING 1226 00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:34,010 HER EFFORTS? 1227 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:35,059 >> Soledad: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 1228 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:35,239 AND SOME BIG ONES, LIKE NIKE I 1229 00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:36,110 THINK, AND TOYOTA, AND VISA. 1230 00:34:36,130 --> 00:34:38,010 LIKE REALLY, REALLY GOOD ONES. 1231 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:38,260 >> Bryant: YEAH. 1232 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,030 AND WHAT KIND OF PRIMARY 1233 00:34:41,050 --> 00:34:46,099 INTERESTS DOES SHE HAVE BEYOND 1234 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:47,010 ATHLETICS? 1235 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:47,199 >> Soledad: YOU KNOW, SHE IS I 1236 00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:48,130 THINK RIGHT NOW JUST LOVING LIFE 1237 00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:51,090 WITH HER BOYFRIEND. 1238 00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:52,110 AND SO, I THINK SHE WOULD SAY 1239 00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:53,159 SHE'S NOT A GREAT COOK, THERE'S 1240 00:34:53,179 --> 00:34:55,079 A LOT THAT SHE DOESN'T DO 1241 00:34:55,099 --> 00:34:55,219 PARTICULARLY WELL. 1242 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,289 SHE'S GOT A GREAT SENSE OF 1243 00:34:58,010 --> 00:35:00,239 HUMOR, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 1244 00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:01,159 WHAT THEY DO IS JUST HANG OUT 1245 00:35:01,179 --> 00:35:02,030 WHEN THEY'RE NOT WORKING OUT 1246 00:35:02,050 --> 00:35:03,039 LIKE CRAZY. 1247 00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:03,179 BECAUSE OF COURSE, THE 1248 00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:04,079 TURNAROUND TO BE ABLE TO GET 1249 00:35:04,099 --> 00:35:04,250 THROUGH THE NEXT THINGS THAT 1250 00:35:04,269 --> 00:35:05,139 THEY HAVE TO GET THROUGH IS VERY 1251 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:06,260 TIGHT. 1252 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,000 >> Bryant: YEAH, I GUESS I'M 1253 00:35:08,019 --> 00:35:08,170 ASKING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU 1254 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:09,159 CAN'T DO WHAT SHE DOES FOREVER. 1255 00:35:09,179 --> 00:35:11,260 WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CHEERING 1256 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,190 STOPS? 1257 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:14,079 >> Soledad: YEAH, THAT'S, YOU 1258 00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:14,239 KNOW, I THINK SHE'S VERY 1259 00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:16,070 INSPIRATIONAL. 1260 00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:18,099 AND ONCE THE WORK AND 1261 00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:20,000 COMPETITION IS OVER AND RIGHT 1262 00:35:20,019 --> 00:35:21,079 NOW, BY THE WAY, SHE JUST WON 6 1263 00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:26,159 GOLD MEDALS IN THE WORLD CUP, SO 1264 00:35:26,179 --> 00:35:27,210 SHE'S DOING GREAT. 1265 00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:28,050 I JUST THINK SHE'S SO 1266 00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:28,239 INSPIRATIONAL, AND I THINK THIS 1267 00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:29,119 IS A NEW VEIN FOR HER IN HER 1268 00:35:29,139 --> 00:35:30,039 LIFE STORY, AND WHAT YOU CAN 1269 00:35:30,059 --> 00:35:32,239 ACCOMPLISH IN SPITE OF THINGS 1270 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:34,260 BEING SO DARK, AND SO 1271 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,190 CHALLENGING, AND SO DIFFICULT. 1272 00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:36,059 I WOULD GUESS THAT IS THE 1273 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:37,010 DIRECTION SHE'S GOING TO GO. 1274 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:38,139 >> Bryant: IT'S REALLY INSPIRING 1275 00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:39,119 STUFF. 1276 00:35:39,139 --> 00:35:40,019 ALRIGHT, SOLEDAD, THANKS SO VERY 1277 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:40,079 MUCH. 1278 00:35:40,099 --> 00:35:40,219 STAY SAFE. 1279 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,030 >> Soledad: YOU BET. 1280 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:42,239 THANKS, YOU TOO. 1281 00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:44,150 >> Bryant: WE MOVE ON. 1282 00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:45,139 THIS MONTH, AS SPORTS FANS TURN 1283 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:46,289 THEIR ATTENTION TO THE 1284 00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:50,239 BASKETBALL COURTS OF MARCH 1285 00:35:50,260 --> 00:35:51,210 MADNESS, THOSE WITH A BROADER 1286 00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:57,119 INTEREST IN THE FATE OF THE 1287 00:35:57,139 --> 00:35:59,170 ATHLETES ARE LOOKING TO A 1288 00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:00,070 DIFFERENT KIND OF COURT BATTLE. 1289 00:36:00,090 --> 00:36:00,239 A SUPREME COURT MATCHUP, THE 1290 00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:01,159 FIRST IN ALMOST 4 DECADES 1291 00:36:01,179 --> 00:36:01,289 INVOLVING THE NCAA. 1292 00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:03,110 ON THE DOCKET IT'S OFFICIALLY 1293 00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:08,010 LISTED AS NCAA VS. ALSTON AND 1294 00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:10,210 THE STAKES ARE ENORMOUS. 1295 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:11,110 >> HANDOFF. 1296 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:12,119 ONCE AGAIN, IT'S ALSTON KEEPING 1297 00:36:12,139 --> 00:36:13,139 IT ALIVE. 1298 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:13,250 SECOND EFFORT. 1299 00:36:13,269 --> 00:36:15,119 TOUCHDOWN. 1300 00:36:15,139 --> 00:36:16,050 >> SHAWNE ALSTON IS A FORMER 1301 00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:16,280 RUNNING BACK AT THE UNIVERSITY 1302 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,070 OF WEST VIRGINIA. 1303 00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:21,070 HE'S ONE OF MANY PLAINTIFFS WHO 1304 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:23,280 HAVE GONE TO COURT OVER THE 1305 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,139 NCAA'S POWER TO CAP THOSE 1306 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,079 BENEFITS ATHLETES MIGHT DERIVE 1307 00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:26,119 FROM THEIR TALENTS. 1308 00:36:26,139 --> 00:36:29,280 THOSE REPRESENTING ALSTON AND 1309 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,269 OTHERS HAVE ARGUED THAT BY 1310 00:36:31,289 --> 00:36:32,280 CAPPING BENEFITS THE NCAA IS 1311 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,050 OPERATING IN A MONOPOLISTIC 1312 00:36:34,070 --> 00:36:35,239 FASHION AND IS THEREFORE IN 1313 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:42,130 VIOLATION OF FEDERAL ANTITRUST 1314 00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:43,010 LAWS, A CONTENTION THAT HAS 1315 00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:43,199 ALREADY BEEN UPHELD BY A FEDERAL 1316 00:36:43,219 --> 00:36:44,190 CIRCUIT COURT IN CALIFORNIA. 1317 00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:47,010 >> Bryant: TIM NEVIUS IS A 1318 00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:47,260 COLLEGE ATHLETE ADVOCATE WHO HAS 1319 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,139 LONG PLAYED A CENTRAL ROLE IN 1320 00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:49,000 THE ALSTON SUIT. 1321 00:36:49,019 --> 00:36:49,250 HE'S IN NEW YORK. 1322 00:36:49,269 --> 00:36:50,150 MR. NEVIUS, THANK YOU FOR BEING 1323 00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:51,239 WITH US. 1324 00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:54,170 >> Tim: THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 1325 00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:55,059 >> Bryant: YOU WON A JUDGMENT IN 1326 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:55,219 THIS CASE IN A CALIFORNIA 1327 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,119 CIRCUIT COURT ALREADY. 1328 00:36:58,139 --> 00:36:59,139 ARE YOU EITHER SURPRISED, 1329 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:00,090 DISAPPOINTED, ANGRY THAT THE 1330 00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:00,280 COURT, HIGH COURT, HAS AGREED TO 1331 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,230 HEAR IT? 1332 00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:08,289 >> Tim: TO BE CLEAR, I HELPED 1333 00:37:09,010 --> 00:37:09,179 INITIATE AND LEAD THE CASE FOR A 1334 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:10,070 COUPLE YEARS, BUT THE ATTORNEYS 1335 00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:10,250 LED BY JEFF KESLER AND OTHERS 1336 00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:11,139 HAVE TOOK THAT TO TRIAL AND WON 1337 00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:11,289 A DECISION AND THEN WON 1338 00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:13,150 AFFIRMATION AT THE NINTH CIRCUIT 1339 00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:14,030 LEVEL. 1340 00:37:14,050 --> 00:37:16,030 AND I THINK THAT IT SIGNALS THAT 1341 00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:17,099 THE NCAA NO LONGER HAS THE 1342 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:21,230 ABILITY TO SET THESE 1343 00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:22,239 IMPERMISSIBLE REGULATIONS OVER 1344 00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:26,070 WHAT COLLEGE ATHLETES CAN 1345 00:37:26,090 --> 00:37:27,150 RECEIVE. 1346 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:28,090 THE FACT THAT THE SUPREME COURT 1347 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:33,099 DECIDED TO HEAR THIS CASE IS 1348 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:34,059 IMPORTANT AND HOPEFULLY IT'S 1349 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,170 SOMETHING THAT SHIFTS AND TURNS 1350 00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:37,190 THE TIDE IN FAVOR OF THE 1351 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:38,079 ATHLETES BECAUSE HOPEFULLY THEY 1352 00:37:38,099 --> 00:37:38,250 COME DOWN TO SAY THAT THESE 1353 00:37:38,269 --> 00:37:39,210 RESTRICTIONS ARE AN ANTITRUST 1354 00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:40,170 VIOLATION AND CANNOT STAND. 1355 00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:43,280 >> Bryant: THE COURT CURRENTLY, 1356 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,030 AS WE ALL KNOW, HAS A 1357 00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:45,210 CONSERVATIVE BENT. 1358 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:46,239 DOES THAT NECESSARILY FAVOR THE 1359 00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:50,150 NCAA? 1360 00:37:50,170 --> 00:37:51,010 >> Tim: WELL, YOU SEE THE 1361 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:51,190 CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES ARE LESS 1362 00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:53,099 IN FAVOR OF LABOR EFFORTS, WHICH 1363 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,289 MAY INCLUDE, FOR INSTANCE, THE 1364 00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:56,239 COLLEGE PLAYERS IN THIS 1365 00:37:56,260 --> 00:37:59,199 SITUATION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY. 1366 00:37:59,219 --> 00:38:00,070 BECAUSE YOU WOULD THINK THAT 1367 00:38:00,090 --> 00:38:02,030 THEY'RE ALSO IN FAVOR OF FREE 1368 00:38:02,050 --> 00:38:03,210 MARKET ENTERPRISE, WHICH IS WHAT 1369 00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:04,110 IS BEING DISCUSSED, IN PART, IN 1370 00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:06,260 THIS CASE. 1371 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,280 >> Bryant: THE SUPREME COURT IS 1372 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,050 ONLY THE LATEST BATTLE FRONT IN 1373 00:38:09,070 --> 00:38:11,190 THE ONGOING WAR OVER THE NCAA'S 1374 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:12,170 BRAND OF AMATEURISM. 1375 00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:13,130 ANOTHER FRONT HAS BEEN OPENED ON 1376 00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:14,199 CAPITOL HILL, WHERE SENATOR CORY 1377 00:38:14,219 --> 00:38:19,019 BOOKER IS CO-SPONSORING A BILL 1378 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:19,260 AIMED AT HELPING COLLEGE 1379 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,150 ATHLETES GET COMPENSATED FAIRLY 1380 00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:21,000 FOR THEIR EFFORTS. 1381 00:38:21,019 --> 00:38:21,159 HE'S IN WASHINGTON D.C. 1382 00:38:21,179 --> 00:38:23,289 SENATOR, WELCOME. 1383 00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:25,050 >> Senator Booker: THANK YOU. 1384 00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:25,219 IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE ON. 1385 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,099 >> Bryant: SO MUCH OF THIS IS 1386 00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:31,159 GOING ON NOW IN HAPHAZARD 1387 00:38:31,179 --> 00:38:32,099 FASHION, IN GREAT PART BECAUSE 1388 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:33,139 THE NCAA HAS NOT SET ANY 1389 00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:34,039 NATIONAL STANDARDS AND FRANKLY 1390 00:38:34,059 --> 00:38:35,030 THERE HAS BEEN AN ABSENCE OF 1391 00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:35,210 FEDERAL LEGISLATION TOO UNTIL 1392 00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:38,289 NOW. 1393 00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:40,030 WHY? 1394 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:44,090 WHY HASN'T THE FEDERAL 1395 00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:44,269 GOVERNMENT ACTED BEFORE NOW? 1396 00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:46,119 >> Senator Booker: CONGRESS 1397 00:38:46,139 --> 00:38:47,179 SHOULD HAVE ACTED. 1398 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:52,210 I CAME HERE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS 1399 00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:53,090 AGO AND ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO I 1400 00:38:53,110 --> 00:38:54,190 STILL REMEMBER HAVING A HEARING 1401 00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:55,079 WHERE THE HEAD OF THE NCAA SAT 1402 00:38:55,099 --> 00:38:55,260 BEFORE THE COMMERCE COMMITTEE. 1403 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,139 AND I ASKED A LOT OF TOUGH 1404 00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:57,030 QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE BASIC 1405 00:38:57,050 --> 00:39:01,130 ISSUES OF FAIRNESS AND SAFETY. 1406 00:39:01,150 --> 00:39:02,019 AND THE NCAA GAVE A LOT OF LIP 1407 00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:02,199 SERVICE TO WANTING TO ADDRESS 1408 00:39:02,219 --> 00:39:03,090 THOSE ISSUES. 1409 00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:06,199 AND THEY HAVE NOT SUBSTANTIVELY 1410 00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:07,150 DONE SO. 1411 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:08,130 SO I'M ONE OF THESE FOLKS IN 1412 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:09,250 CONGRESS SAYING, "WE SHOULD ACT. 1413 00:39:09,269 --> 00:39:11,239 AND WE SHOULD START WITH AN 1414 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:13,039 ATHLETES' BILL OF RIGHTS, BASIC 1415 00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:14,199 PROTECTIONS. 1416 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:15,269 FOR THEIR HEALTH, SAFETY, 1417 00:39:15,289 --> 00:39:19,250 WELL-BEING, AND A FAIR SHARE OF 1418 00:39:19,269 --> 00:39:20,210 SOME OF THE PROFITS THAT ARE 1419 00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:22,219 BEING MADE IN THIS WORLD." 1420 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,150 >> Bryant: YOUR COLLEGE 1421 00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:24,030 ATHLETES' BILL OF RIGHTS, THE 1422 00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:24,219 ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING IS 1423 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,170 AMBITIOUS. 1424 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:26,030 IT CALLS FOR, AMONG OTHER 1425 00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:31,000 THINGS, REVENUE SHARING, 1426 00:39:31,019 --> 00:39:31,219 UNRESTRICTED FREEDOM TO 1427 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,110 TRANSFER, LIFETIME SCHOLARSHIPS, 1428 00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:32,269 A MEDICAL FUND, SOME OTHER 1429 00:39:32,289 --> 00:39:34,099 ELEMENTS AS WELL. 1430 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:35,030 DO YOU WANT THIS REPLACING THE 1431 00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:36,019 NCAA OR BEING IMPLEMENTED BY AND 1432 00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:40,260 COEXISTING WITH THE NCAA? 1433 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,150 >> Senator Booker: █I THINK THE 1434 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:41,269 NCAA HAS A ROLE. 1435 00:39:41,289 --> 00:39:42,159 I THINK THEY'VE LOST THEIR WAY A 1436 00:39:42,179 --> 00:39:45,079 BIT. 1437 00:39:45,099 --> 00:39:46,059 THEY'VE GIVEN LIP SERVICE TO 1438 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:46,250 MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN 1439 00:39:46,269 --> 00:39:47,110 THAT COLLEGE BILL OF RIGHTS. 1440 00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:48,130 SIX YEARS AGO DURING THAT 1441 00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:49,170 HEARING, THE HEAD OF THE NCAA 1442 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:52,099 SAID, "WE SHOULD HAVE LIFETIME 1443 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:53,210 SCHOLARSHIPS." 1444 00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:54,190 BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AS A GUY, AND 1445 00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:57,280 I KNOW THIS WAS THE CASE OF MY 1446 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,070 DAYS PLAYING, YOU'RE DOING A 1447 00:39:59,090 --> 00:39:59,250 FULL-TIME JOB AND TRYING TO GO 1448 00:39:59,269 --> 00:40:01,050 TO SCHOOL AND KEEP YOUR CREDITS. 1449 00:40:01,070 --> 00:40:01,230 SO I THINK THAT THIS COLLEGE 1450 00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:02,239 BILL OF RIGHTS IS A BASIC FLOOR 1451 00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:04,269 THAT EVERY COLLEGE ATHLETE 1452 00:40:04,289 --> 00:40:05,269 SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS TO. 1453 00:40:05,289 --> 00:40:10,170 AND WE, WHO ARE FANS, WHO SO 1454 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:11,039 LOVE THIS PART OF AMERICAN 1455 00:40:11,059 --> 00:40:12,170 CULTURE, SHOULD NOT -- BE 1456 00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:13,030 CONTINUING TO LOOK AT AND 1457 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:16,110 SUPPORT AN INSTITUTION THAT 1458 00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:21,099 DENIES CERTAIN EDUCATIONAL 1459 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,059 BENEFITS, THEIR HEALTH AND 1460 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:24,000 SAFETY, AND FRANKLY THE ABILITY 1461 00:40:24,019 --> 00:40:26,190 TO CONTROL THEIR NAME, IMAGE, 1462 00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:32,090 AND LIKENESS. 1463 00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:32,280 >> ALL OF WHAT'S GOING ON IS 1464 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,170 MOVING AT A RAPID PACE BECAUSE 1465 00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:36,250 MANY, IF NOT MOST, STATES HAVE 1466 00:40:36,269 --> 00:40:37,190 ALREADY PASSED OR ARE PURSUING 1467 00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:39,000 NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS 1468 00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:39,250 LEGISLATION THAT'S FRIENDLY TO 1469 00:40:39,269 --> 00:40:44,150 ATHLETES. 1470 00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:45,099 THOSE THREE LETTERS, N-I-L, ARE 1471 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,199 CENTRAL TO WHAT'S GOING ON. 1472 00:40:47,219 --> 00:40:49,090 HAVING WON THE RIGHT TO MONETIZE 1473 00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:51,079 THEIR NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS, 1474 00:40:51,099 --> 00:40:52,079 COLLEGE ATHLETES, FOR THE FIRST 1475 00:40:52,099 --> 00:40:53,019 TIME, ARE POISED TO CHOOSE FROM 1476 00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,079 A VARIETY OF STATE OFFERS 1477 00:40:56,099 --> 00:40:57,159 BECAUSE THERE ARE NO EXISTING 1478 00:40:57,179 --> 00:40:59,010 NATIONAL RULES OR LIMITS ON WHAT 1479 00:40:59,030 --> 00:41:02,039 THEY CAN BE OFFERED BY VARIOUS 1480 00:41:02,059 --> 00:41:03,050 STATES. 1481 00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:05,090 IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT 1482 00:41:05,110 --> 00:41:06,190 THEIR STATE UNIVERSITIES DON'T 1483 00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:08,139 GET OUT-RECRUITED BY SCHOOLS IN 1484 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:11,150 STATES OFFERING GREATER 1485 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:15,110 MONEY-MAKING OPPORTUNITIES TO 1486 00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:15,289 THE BEST OF ATHLETES, THESE 1487 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:16,260 SO-CALLED NIL BILLS ARE SAILING 1488 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,139 THROUGH STATE HOUSES AND WILL 1489 00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:18,150 SOON GO INTO EFFECT. 1490 00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:19,239 AND WHILE THOSE BILLS VARY IN 1491 00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:24,059 SCOPE AND DETAILS, ALL OF THEM 1492 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:24,250 BASICALLY HOLD THAT AN ATHLETE'S 1493 00:41:24,269 --> 00:41:26,030 NIL RIGHTS CANNOT BE RESTRICTED 1494 00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:27,179 BY SCHOOLS OR CONFERENCES, A 1495 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,289 BASIC TENET THAT'S COUNTER TO 1496 00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:32,159 WHAT THE NCAA ALLOWS. 1497 00:41:32,179 --> 00:41:34,079 >> Bryant: SO WE'VE GOT THE NIL 1498 00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:38,199 BILLS BEING PASSED IN VARIOUS 1499 00:41:38,219 --> 00:41:39,010 STATES. 1500 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:39,159 WE'VE GOT LEGISLATION IN 1501 00:41:39,179 --> 00:41:40,059 CONGRESS. 1502 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:41,230 AND WE'VE GOT A CASE BEFORE THE 1503 00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:44,139 SUPREME COURT. 1504 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:45,030 TIM, LET ME BRING YOU BACK INTO 1505 00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:47,050 THIS. 1506 00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:48,119 DOES -- DO ANY OF THE THREE TAKE 1507 00:41:48,139 --> 00:41:49,139 PRECEDENCE OVER THE OTHER TWO IN 1508 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,260 YOUR MIND? 1509 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:59,230 >> Tim: I THINK WHAT'S CRITICAL 1510 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,119 HERE IS TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT 1511 00:42:00,139 --> 00:42:00,289 THERE ARE OVER 30 STATES THAT 1512 00:42:01,010 --> 00:42:01,139 HAVE PROPOSED OR PASSED 1513 00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:05,079 LEGISLATION ON THIS TOPIC. 1514 00:42:05,099 --> 00:42:06,019 THERE'S NOW AT LEAST SIX FEDERAL 1515 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:06,199 BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED 1516 00:42:06,219 --> 00:42:07,090 AND WE'RE WAITING FOR A SUPREME 1517 00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:10,130 COURT HEARING. 1518 00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:14,050 THE ISSUE OF NAME, IMAGE, AND 1519 00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:15,110 LIKENESS HAS IGNITED THE 1520 00:42:15,130 --> 00:42:16,059 DISCUSSION. 1521 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,150 BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION, AS 1522 00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:21,030 SENATOR BOOKER MENTIONED, GOES 1523 00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:21,239 FAR BEYOND JUST WHETHER THE 1524 00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:22,219 PLAYERS SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY 1525 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,130 TO ENGAGE IN MARKETING RIGHTS OR 1526 00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:23,260 ENDORSEMENT DEALS. 1527 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,190 IT INCLUDES HEALTH AND SAFETY. 1528 00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:25,030 IT INCLUDES EDUCATION. 1529 00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:26,039 AND I THINK THAT THIS IS THE 1530 00:42:26,059 --> 00:42:29,019 OPPORTUNITY IN THIS INFLECTION 1531 00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:29,230 POINT IN COLLEGE SPORTS, TO 1532 00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:30,070 ADDRESS THOSE THINGS. 1533 00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:31,039 >> Bryant: LET ME GIVE VOICE TO 1534 00:42:31,059 --> 00:42:32,019 THOSE WHO MIGHT SUPPORT WHAT THE 1535 00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:38,179 NCAA IS ABOUT. 1536 00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:39,059 AND LOOKING AT THESE NIL BILLS 1537 00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:39,230 SAY THAT UNLESS THE FEDERAL 1538 00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:40,159 GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND WE COME 1539 00:42:40,179 --> 00:42:45,199 UP WITH SOME NATIONAL 1540 00:42:45,219 --> 00:42:46,090 REGULATIONS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A 1541 00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:47,059 SITUATION THAT IS TOTALLY OUT OF 1542 00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:47,239 CONTROL WHERE ANY AND ALL 1543 00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:49,030 ATHLETES WILL SIMPLY BE GOING TO 1544 00:42:49,050 --> 00:42:50,239 THE HIGHEST BIDDER. 1545 00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:54,239 VALID POINT, SENATOR? 1546 00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:55,170 >> Senator Booker: YEAH, I THINK 1547 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:57,099 IT IS A VALID POINT THAT IF WE 1548 00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,110 CHERISH THE CONFERENCES AND THE 1549 00:42:59,130 --> 00:43:01,269 GENERAL, AT LEAST, IDEAL OF A 1550 00:43:01,289 --> 00:43:02,239 LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. 1551 00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:03,170 IF WE DO NOT HAVE A NATIONAL 1552 00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:05,210 STANDARD THERE'S VERY MUCH GOING 1553 00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:08,090 TO BE DIFFERENT STATES THAT GIVE 1554 00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:09,030 ADVANTAGE TO THEIR STATE SCHOOLS 1555 00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:15,170 OVER OTHER STATES. 1556 00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:20,059 SO I DO THINK THERE -- AGAIN, 1557 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:20,250 THERE'S A FORCING MECHANISM THAT 1558 00:43:20,269 --> 00:43:21,210 REALLY DEMANDS -- CONGRESS TO 1559 00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:22,090 STEP UP AND PUT A BILL ON THE 1560 00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:22,210 PRESIDENT'S DESK. 1561 00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:23,079 WHAT I'M HOPING THAT COMES 1562 00:43:23,099 --> 00:43:24,019 QUICKLY THOUGH IS PERHAPS NCAA 1563 00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:24,210 LEADERS GIVING A NEW VISION FOR 1564 00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:26,039 COLLEGE ATHLETICS. 1565 00:43:26,059 --> 00:43:27,130 STEPPING UP TO REALLY CENTER THE 1566 00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:29,050 ATHLETE, THEIR WELL-BEING, THEIR 1567 00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:31,030 EDUCATION, THEIR HEALTH AND 1568 00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:31,179 SAFETY. 1569 00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:32,250 >> Bryant: WHEN THEY'VE NEVER, 1570 00:43:32,269 --> 00:43:34,030 WHEN THEY'VE NEVER DONE THAT 1571 00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:34,260 BEFORE, WHAT MAKES YOU 1572 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,139 OPTIMISTIC THAT THAT'S ABOUT TO 1573 00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:39,039 HAPPEN NOW? 1574 00:43:39,059 --> 00:43:40,199 >> Senator Booker: BECAUSE THIS 1575 00:43:40,219 --> 00:43:41,190 15 BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY COULD 1576 00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:43,130 BE UPENDED IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY 1577 00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:44,139 IF THEY DON'T SETTLE. 1578 00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:48,050 SO THE MONEY NOW IS BEING 1579 00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:48,179 THREATENED. 1580 00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:49,050 THE SYSTEM, AS THEY KNOW IT, 1581 00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:49,239 THIS INCREDIBLE GOOSE THAT'S 1582 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:56,159 LAYING GOLDEN EGGS, EVERY MARCH 1583 00:43:56,179 --> 00:43:57,050 MADNESS THAT PRODUCES HUNDREDS 1584 00:43:57,070 --> 00:43:57,230 OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, EVERY 1585 00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:59,219 COLLEGE BOWL SERIES THAT 1586 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,110 PRODUCES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF 1587 00:44:00,130 --> 00:44:02,019 DOLLARS, THAT SYSTEM IS BEING 1588 00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:02,230 THREATENED RIGHT NOW BY THIS 1589 00:44:02,250 --> 00:44:04,260 PATCHWORK OF DIFFERENT STATES. 1590 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,159 >> Bryant: BUT REAL QUICKLY, 1591 00:44:06,179 --> 00:44:12,289 BETWEEN THE COURT DECISION, 1592 00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:14,090 FEDERAL LEGISLATION, AND THE 1593 00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:16,019 BILLS COMING OUT OF STATEHOUSES 1594 00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,230 IS IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT THE 1595 00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:20,030 NCAA'S DAYS OF REIGNING OVER 1596 00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:22,050 ATHLETICS IS AT AN END? 1597 00:44:22,070 --> 00:44:23,030 >> Tim: I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE 1598 00:44:23,050 --> 00:44:27,190 RULE SYSTEM ITSELF RATHER THAN 1599 00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:28,199 THE ORGANIZATION. 1600 00:44:28,219 --> 00:44:29,219 AND YES, WE'RE AT A PRESSURE 1601 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,179 POINT. 1602 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:31,190 WE'RE AT AN INFLECTION POINT AND 1603 00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:32,079 A MOMENT IN HISTORY WHERE THE 1604 00:44:32,099 --> 00:44:33,019 RULES HAVE TO CHANGE. 1605 00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:33,130 THEY MUST. 1606 00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:39,000 AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT 1607 00:44:39,019 --> 00:44:40,280 HAPPEN. 1608 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,170 >> Senator Booker: I THINK THAT 1609 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:42,070 THE NCAA IS FACING A COMEUPPANCE 1610 00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:43,130 WHERE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE 1611 00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:47,070 TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO 1612 00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:48,269 ESPECIALLY AS IT'S SO UNFAIRLY 1613 00:44:48,289 --> 00:44:52,059 SLANTED AGAINST ATHLETES. 1614 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:52,250 >> Bryant: I'LL LET THAT BE THE 1615 00:44:52,269 --> 00:44:53,030 LAST WORD. 1616 00:44:53,050 --> 00:44:53,170 SENATOR CORY BOOKER IN 1617 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:54,050 WASHINGTON, TIM NEVIUS IN NEW 1618 00:44:54,070 --> 00:44:54,110 YORK. 1619 00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:55,000 GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU BOTH VERY 1620 00:44:55,019 --> 00:44:55,059 MUCH. 1621 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:55,239 STAY SAFE. 1622 00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:56,239 >> Senator Booker: THANK YOU. 1623 00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:58,010 >> Tim: THANK YOU. 1624 00:44:58,030 --> 00:45:01,050 >> Bryant: A QUICK POSTSCRIPT. 1625 00:45:01,070 --> 00:45:01,260 WITH TOURNAMENT GAMES UNDERWAY, 1626 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,010 A NUMBER OF PLAYERS IN THE 1627 00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:04,239 TOURNAMENT HAVE JOINED THE 1628 00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:06,239 GROWING CHORUS CALLING FOR 1629 00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:08,090 REFORM, STARTING A MOVEMENT ON 1630 00:45:08,110 --> 00:45:10,150 SOCIAL MEDIA UNDER THE HASHTAG 1631 00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:12,070 #NotNCAAProperty. 1632 00:45:12,090 --> 00:45:13,289 THEY'RE NOT ONLY CALLING FOR THE 1633 00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:21,190 NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS MONEY 1634 00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:23,199 TO WHICH THEY'RE ENTITLED, 1635 00:45:23,219 --> 00:45:24,070 THEY'RE 1636 00:45:24,090 --> 00:45:24,260 ALSO SEEKING MEETINGS WITH THE 1637 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,230 BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TO DISCUSS 1638 00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:26,099 A REMAKING OF THE COLLEGIATE 1639 00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:27,099 SPORTS MODEL. 1640 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:27,289 OUR LAST STORY THIS EVENING IS 1641 00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:28,280 THE UPDATED TALE OF A REAL-LIFE 1642 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,179 BIONIC MAN WHO HAS DEVOTED HIS 1643 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,010 LIFE TO REDEFINING THE 1644 00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:31,179 CAPABILITIES OF HIGH TECH 1645 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,010 PROSTHETICS. 1646 00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:35,289 BETTER YET, THIS BIONIC MAN, 1647 00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:37,010 HUGH HERR IS USING HIS 1648 00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:38,210 SCIENTIFIC SKILLS TO HELP 1649 00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:41,159 SEVERELY INJURED ATHLETES WHO 1650 00:45:41,179 --> 00:45:42,030 THOUGHT THEY'D NEVER COMPETE 1651 00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:42,159 AGAIN. 1652 00:45:42,179 --> 00:45:45,199 ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S SOLEDAD 1653 00:45:45,219 --> 00:45:49,090 O'BRIEN. 1654 00:45:49,110 --> 00:45:49,280 >> AT A TIME WHEN HUMAN BEINGS 1655 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,199 ARE RUNNING FASTER, JUMPING 1656 00:45:53,219 --> 00:45:57,170 HIGHER, AND LIFTING MORE THAN 1657 00:45:57,190 --> 00:46:00,010 EVER BEFORE, SOME BELIEVE THAT 1658 00:46:00,030 --> 00:46:00,190 HUMAN ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE IS 1659 00:46:00,210 --> 00:46:07,219 APPROACHING ITS CEILING, THAT 1660 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,110 THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH FASTER, 1661 00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:09,000 HIGHER, AND FARTHER WE CAN GO. 1662 00:46:09,019 --> 00:46:09,199 BUT THERE IS ONE PLACE WHERE THE 1663 00:46:09,219 --> 00:46:10,090 POTENTIAL OF THE HUMAN BODY IS 1664 00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:13,010 CONSIDERED TO BE UNLIMITED. 1665 00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:16,050 >> Hugh: WE'RE AT A POINT IN 1666 00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:19,110 HUMAN HISTORY WHERE WE CAN 1667 00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:20,000 FUNDAMENTALLY ARCHITECT OUR OWN 1668 00:46:20,019 --> 00:46:20,070 BODIES. 1669 00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:22,190 >> SCIENTIST HUGH HERR RUNS A 1670 00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:23,079 PLACE CALLED THE BIOMECHATRONICS 1671 00:46:23,099 --> 00:46:25,139 GROUP, A FUTURISTIC LABORATORY 1672 00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:26,190 AT MIT, WHERE?HE AND HIS TEAM 1673 00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:27,260 USE BIOLOGY, MECHANICS AND 1674 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,119 ELECTRONICS TO PICK UP WHERE 1675 00:46:28,139 --> 00:46:31,110 EVOLUTION HAS LEFT OFF. 1676 00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:35,030 >> Hugh: HUMANS JUST WANT TO 1677 00:46:35,050 --> 00:46:35,159 IMPROVE THEMSELVES. 1678 00:46:35,179 --> 00:46:39,150 BIONICS IS A CRITICAL PATHWAY 1679 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:40,260 THAT WE'LL WALK DOWN IN THIS 1680 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,230 CENTURY TO IMPROVE OURSELVES. 1681 00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:46,190 HERE'S MY LAB. 1682 00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:47,070 >> TAKE A WALK WITH HUGH HERR 1683 00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:47,269 THROUGH HIS LAB AND IT'S EASY TO 1684 00:46:47,289 --> 00:46:48,159 IMAGINE HOW MAN WILL ONE DAY 1685 00:46:48,179 --> 00:46:49,099 BLEND WITH MACHINE. 1686 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:50,059 >> Hugh: WE HAVE BIONIC 1687 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:51,099 FOOT-ANKLE DEVICES FOR WALKING. 1688 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:53,050 HERE'S A BIONIC LEG FOR RUNNING. 1689 00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:57,090 >> IT'S ALSO HARD NOT TO NOTICE 1690 00:46:57,110 --> 00:47:01,230 THAT HERR HIMSELF SEEMS A BIT, 1691 00:47:01,250 --> 00:47:03,030 WELL ROBOTIC. 1692 00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:08,130 >> Hugh: WITH THE MOTOR HERE WE 1693 00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:09,210 CAN APPLY TORQUES AND 1694 00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:11,119 STIFFNESSES ON A HUMAN. 1695 00:47:11,139 --> 00:47:12,050 >> Soledad: PEOPLE DESCRIBE YOU 1696 00:47:12,070 --> 00:47:17,199 AS ANALYTICAL, UNEMOTIONAL. 1697 00:47:17,219 --> 00:47:18,170 >> Hugh: WHOEVER SAID THAT 1698 00:47:18,190 --> 00:47:19,019 DOESN'T KNOW ME WELL. 1699 00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:19,199 TO DISCOVER A NEW TECHNOLOGY 1700 00:47:19,219 --> 00:47:25,050 REQUIRES PASSIONATE AND DEEP, 1701 00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:25,199 DEEP EMOTIONS. 1702 00:47:25,219 --> 00:47:26,110 I THINK EMOTIONS ARE ACTUALLY 1703 00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:28,119 CRITICAL FOR HUMAN CREATIVITY. 1704 00:47:28,139 --> 00:47:30,070 >> IN FACT, HERR WAS DRAWN TO 1705 00:47:30,090 --> 00:47:30,239 HIS LIFE'S WORK BY A DEEPLY 1706 00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:33,239 PERSONAL PAIN. 1707 00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:36,010 AFTER A TRAGIC ACCIDENT TOOK 1708 00:47:36,030 --> 00:47:38,039 BOTH HIS LEGS, HERR VOWED TO 1709 00:47:38,059 --> 00:47:40,130 REINVENT HIMSELF, AS A BIONIC 1710 00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:42,130 MAN. 1711 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:45,030 >> Hugh: I IMAGINED A FUTURE 1712 00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:46,019 WITHOUT DISABILITY. 1713 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:49,159 AND BEGAN STRIVING TOWARDS IT. 1714 00:47:49,179 --> 00:47:50,050 >> Soledad: IF YOU HADN'T LOST 1715 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:52,110 YOUR LEGS WOULD YOU BE HERE 1716 00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:53,010 TODAY AT MIT IN YOUR LAB? 1717 00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:53,159 >> Hugh: ABSOLUTELY NOT. 1718 00:47:53,179 --> 00:47:54,010 BUT LIFE IS FILLED WITH 1719 00:47:54,030 --> 00:47:55,070 SURPRISE. 1720 00:47:55,090 --> 00:48:00,019 >> BEFORE HE LOST HIS LEGS, HERR 1721 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:00,219 HAD LITTLE REGARD FOR TECHNOLOGY 1722 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,250 OR ACADEMIA. 1723 00:48:01,269 --> 00:48:05,119 HE GREW UP ON A FARM IN RURAL 1724 00:48:05,139 --> 00:48:06,150 PENNSYLVANIA, AND PAID NO 1725 00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:06,280 ATTENTION TO SCHOOL. 1726 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,139 >> Hugh: I WAS A TERRIBLE 1727 00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,070 STUDENT. 1728 00:48:10,090 --> 00:48:12,239 I GOT, YOU KNOW, Ds, AND 1729 00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:13,219 OCCASIONAL Fs, AND, 'CAUSE MY 1730 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,050 FOCUS WAS EXTREME ATHLETICS AT 1731 00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:17,159 THE TIME. 1732 00:48:17,179 --> 00:48:18,010 >> HIS SPORT OF CHOICE? 1733 00:48:18,030 --> 00:48:21,139 ROCK CLIMBING. 1734 00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,090 BY AGE EIGHT HE WAS CLIMBING 1735 00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:23,289 MOUNTAINS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, 1736 00:48:24,010 --> 00:48:24,239 AND SOON AFTER THAT, CONQUERING 1737 00:48:24,260 --> 00:48:29,119 ROCK FACES NO ONE HAD SCALED 1738 00:48:29,139 --> 00:48:30,039 BEFORE, CLIMBERS AROUND THE 1739 00:48:30,059 --> 00:48:31,010 COUNTRY STARTED TAKING NOTE OF 1740 00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:32,030 HERR'S ASCENTS, LIKE JIM EWING, 1741 00:48:32,050 --> 00:48:34,050 ANOTHER UP-AND-COMING YOUNG 1742 00:48:34,070 --> 00:48:39,139 CLIMBER FROM MAINE. 1743 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:40,000 >> Jim: IF SOMEBODY WAS A 1744 00:48:40,019 --> 00:48:42,010 STANDOUT CLIMBER, YOU WOULD HEAR 1745 00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:44,059 ABOUT IT EITHER JUST WORD OF 1746 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:48,219 MOUTH, BUT ALSO THROUGH THE 1747 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,110 VARIOUS MAGAZINES, PUBLICATIONS 1748 00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:49,250 ABOUT CLIMBING, AND -- 1749 00:48:49,269 --> 00:48:50,130 >> Soledad: WAS HE A STANDOUT 1750 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:50,199 CLIMBER? 1751 00:48:50,219 --> 00:48:51,059 >> Jim: HE ABSOLUTELY WAS. 1752 00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:51,219 HE WAS CONSIDERED A CHILD 1753 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:51,289 PRODIGY. 1754 00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:56,039 >> WITH THIS NEWFOUND FAME, HERR 1755 00:48:56,059 --> 00:48:56,199 WAS EMBOLDENED TO TEST HIS 1756 00:48:56,219 --> 00:49:01,269 LIMITS MORE AND MORE. 1757 00:49:01,289 --> 00:49:04,130 LIKE IN JANUARY 1982, WHEN A 1758 00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:05,010 17-YEAR-OLD HERR AND A FRIEND 1759 00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:05,170 DECIDED TO HEAD UP TO NEW 1760 00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:06,139 HAMPSHIRE TO ICE CLIMB ON MOUNT 1761 00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:07,070 WASHINGTON, KNOWN FOR SOME OF 1762 00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:07,239 THE WORLD'S WORST AND MOST 1763 00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:12,130 ERRATIC WEATHER. 1764 00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:14,119 >> Hugh: WE MADE THE MISTAKE OF 1765 00:49:14,139 --> 00:49:16,130 NOT HAVING A COMPASS AND A MAP. 1766 00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:17,239 AND ONLY TOOK US GOING JUST A 1767 00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:18,079 FEW MINUTES TO BECOME 1768 00:49:18,099 --> 00:49:22,239 DISORIENTED. 1769 00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:27,059 >> WINDS PICKED UP, AND 1770 00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:27,260 TEMPERATURES DROPPED TO 27 BELOW 1771 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,019 ZERO. 1772 00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:28,230 HERR SAYS HE DIDN'T THINK THEY'D 1773 00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:29,059 LAST THE NIGHT. 1774 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:29,230 MIRACULOUSLY, THEY SURVIVED 1775 00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:30,050 THREE. 1776 00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:30,250 >> Hugh: AT THAT POINT WE HAD 1777 00:49:30,269 --> 00:49:33,119 EXTREME HYPOTHERMIA AND 1778 00:49:33,139 --> 00:49:34,110 FROSTBITE. 1779 00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:34,280 WE COULDN'T WALK EVEN THREE 1780 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,070 PACES WITHOUT FALLING OVER. 1781 00:49:37,090 --> 00:49:37,289 >> Soledad: AND THEN YOU STARTED 1782 00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:38,119 HALLUCINATING. 1783 00:49:38,139 --> 00:49:38,230 >> Hugh: WE DID. 1784 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:39,110 WE SAW MANY HUMAN BEINGS THAT 1785 00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:43,199 WEREN'T THERE. 1786 00:49:43,219 --> 00:49:44,079 BUT AT ONE POINT WE LOOKED UP 1787 00:49:44,099 --> 00:49:45,110 AND THERE WAS A LIVING, 1788 00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:50,070 BREATHING HUMAN STANDING BEFORE 1789 00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:51,039 US. 1790 00:49:51,059 --> 00:49:51,219 >> THE PERSON WHO DISCOVERED 1791 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,130 THEM QUICKLY GOT A HELICOPTER TO 1792 00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:55,039 AIRLIFT THEM TO A HOSPITAL. 1793 00:49:55,059 --> 00:49:55,239 BUT JUST AS RELIEF WAS SETTING 1794 00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:56,119 IN THAT HE HAD SURVIVED, HERR 1795 00:49:56,139 --> 00:50:01,000 LEARNED THAT HIS LEGS, WHICH 1796 00:50:01,019 --> 00:50:01,210 ALLOWED HIM TO DO WHAT HE LOVED 1797 00:50:01,230 --> 00:50:02,090 MORE ANYTHING, CLIMB, HAD BEEN 1798 00:50:02,110 --> 00:50:03,139 SO DAMAGED FROM FROSTBITE, THEY 1799 00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:10,269 WERE STARTING TO DETERIORATE. 1800 00:50:10,289 --> 00:50:13,179 >> Hugh: I REALIZED MY LIMBS HAD 1801 00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:14,030 TO BE AMPUTATED. 1802 00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:14,199 >> Soledad: WHAT DID DOCTORS 1803 00:50:14,219 --> 00:50:15,090 TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT WOULD COME 1804 00:50:15,110 --> 00:50:15,289 NEXT? 1805 00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:19,130 >> Hugh: I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT 1806 00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:20,179 BE ABLE TO RETURN TO MOUNTAIN 1807 00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:21,010 CLIMBING. 1808 00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:21,190 >> Soledad: WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, 1809 00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:22,050 "THAT'S IT, YOU'RE DONE." 1810 00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:22,190 >> Hugh: YEAH, IT WAS 1811 00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:23,030 DEVASTATING. 1812 00:50:23,050 --> 00:50:23,210 I CRIED FOR NEARLY 24 HOURS. 1813 00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:24,079 AND THEN I REALIZED, IT WAS 1814 00:50:24,099 --> 00:50:24,239 NONSENSE. 1815 00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:25,130 >> AFTER HIS SURGERY, HERR WAS 1816 00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:27,159 DETERMINED TO CLIMB AGAIN. 1817 00:50:27,179 --> 00:50:28,119 ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS FIND SOME 1818 00:50:28,139 --> 00:50:32,150 PROSTHETIC LEGS. 1819 00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:35,139 >> Soledad: IN 1982, WHAT KIND 1820 00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:36,059 OF PROSTHETICS WERE AVAILABLE? 1821 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:36,250 >> Hugh: THE TECHNOLOGY WAS JUST 1822 00:50:36,269 --> 00:50:40,219 DESPICABLE. 1823 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,250 WHEN I GOT THE LIMBS I WAS LIKE, 1824 00:50:41,269 --> 00:50:44,179 "ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 1825 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,050 ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 1826 00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:48,039 THIS IS IT?" 1827 00:50:48,059 --> 00:50:50,139 SO IT'S AT THAT POINT THAT I 1828 00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:50,280 REALIZED THAT I HAD AN 1829 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:51,170 OPPORTUNITY, THAT FROM THE KNEE 1830 00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:52,280 DOWN I WAS SYNTHETIC. 1831 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,090 AND I COULD BE UPGRADEABLE 1832 00:50:54,110 --> 00:51:03,039 THROUGH TECHNOLOGY. 1833 00:51:03,059 --> 00:51:03,230 >> IT WAS CLEAR THAT HERR WOULD 1834 00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:04,139 HAVE TO DEVELOP THE TECHNOLOGY 1835 00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:05,000 HIMSELF. 1836 00:51:05,019 --> 00:51:07,039 ONLY PROBLEM WAS, HE HAD NO IDEA 1837 00:51:07,059 --> 00:51:07,179 HOW TO DO THAT. 1838 00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:08,090 SO HE TREATED THIS NEW CHALLENGE 1839 00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:08,269 LIKE HE WOULD A ROCK FACE ON A 1840 00:51:08,289 --> 00:51:09,150 MOUNTAIN, HE WOULD FIGURE OUT 1841 00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:10,050 HOW TO OVERCOME IT ON HIS OWN. 1842 00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:10,280 >> Hugh: I STARTED OPTIMIZING 1843 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,260 ALL THE ANGLES OF THE 1844 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,070 PROSTHESES, AND I COULD BE ANY 1845 00:51:16,090 --> 00:51:17,099 HEIGHT I WANTED TO BE. 1846 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:18,000 I COULD BE SIX FEET, SEVEN FEET, 1847 00:51:18,019 --> 00:51:19,130 EIGHT FEET. 1848 00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:22,010 WHATEVER I WANTED TO BE. 1849 00:51:22,030 --> 00:51:23,170 AND MY LEGS QUICKLY BECAME AS 1850 00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:25,019 LIGHT AS TENNIS RACKETS. 1851 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:25,199 MUCH, MUCH LIGHTER THAN FLESH 1852 00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:27,010 AND BONE. 1853 00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:29,050 BUT I HAD THE SAME UPPER BODY, 1854 00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:29,250 SO ONLY 12 MONTHS AFTER MY LIMBS 1855 00:51:29,269 --> 00:51:34,210 WERE AMPUTATED, I WAS CLIMBING 1856 00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:34,260 WITH 1857 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,159 BETTER THAN I HAD ACHIEVED 1858 00:51:35,179 --> 00:51:35,289 BEFORE THE ACCIDENT. 1859 00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:37,289 >> Jim: IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING, 1860 00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:39,190 REALLY. 1861 00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:40,070 >> JIM EWING SAYS WITHIN THE 1862 00:51:40,090 --> 00:51:40,289 CLIMBING COMMUNITY, HERR BECAME 1863 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:44,130 AN EVEN BIGGER CELEBRITY THAN 1864 00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:48,150 BEFORE HIS ACCIDENT. 1865 00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:52,070 >> Jim: HE WOULD DO THINGS LIKE, 1866 00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:55,239 MAKE ONE LEG LONGER THAN THE 1867 00:51:55,260 --> 00:51:56,260 OTHER, OR MAKE DIFFERENT SHAPED 1868 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,250 FEET FOR CRACKS, OR EDGES, OR 1869 00:51:58,269 --> 00:51:59,170 WHATEVER THE CLIMB HAD. 1870 00:51:59,190 --> 00:52:00,050 >> BEFORE LONG, EWING GOT THE 1871 00:52:00,070 --> 00:52:00,239 CHANCE TO MEET HERR, AND CLIMB 1872 00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:05,230 WITH HIM, AND SOON THE TWO 1873 00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:08,090 BECAME CLIMBING PARTNERS AND 1874 00:52:08,110 --> 00:52:09,219 CLOSE FRIENDS. 1875 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,110 FOR EWING, THE EXPERIENCE WAS 1876 00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:10,280 TRANSFORMATIVE, IN MORE WAYS 1877 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:11,059 THAN ONE. 1878 00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:11,230 >> Jim: I WAS SOMEWHAT OF A 1879 00:52:11,250 --> 00:52:14,019 PESSIMIST I HAD WRITTEN A SLOGAN 1880 00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:15,010 ON MY CLIMBING SHOES. 1881 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:15,210 LIKE, ON ONE SHOE IT SAID, "LIFE 1882 00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:16,119 SUCKS," AND ON THE OTHER ONE, 1883 00:52:16,139 --> 00:52:20,130 "THEN YOU DIE." 1884 00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:21,070 AND HUGH ACTUALLY SAW MY SHOES, 1885 00:52:21,090 --> 00:52:21,239 AND HE SAID, "JIM, DOES LIFE 1886 00:52:21,260 --> 00:52:23,269 REALLY SUCK?" 1887 00:52:23,289 --> 00:52:25,239 AND HE'S SITTING THERE WITH HIS 1888 00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:26,119 LEGS OFF, AND LIKE, ONE LEG IS 1889 00:52:26,139 --> 00:52:27,050 OVER THERE, ANOTHER LEG'S ON THE 1890 00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:30,250 COUCH. 1891 00:52:30,269 --> 00:52:31,130 AND LIKE, GOD, HOW CAN I SAY, 1892 00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:34,159 LIFE SUCKS, WHEN THIS GUY'S 1893 00:52:34,179 --> 00:52:35,260 SITTING HERE MISSING BOTH OF HIS 1894 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,070 LEGS? 1895 00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:36,260 THAT WAS KIND OF A BIG LIFE 1896 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,099 CHANGING MOMENT FOR ME. 1897 00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:40,099 >> Soledad: TURNING POINT? 1898 00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:40,280 >> Jim: YEAH, IT STUCK WITH ME 1899 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,059 FOR, WELL, FOREVER. 1900 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,050 >> BY NOW, HERR'S CURIOSITY AND 1901 00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:45,269 DRIVE WERE IRREPRESSIBLE. 1902 00:52:45,289 --> 00:52:47,170 BUT HE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE 1903 00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:49,199 TOOLS HE NEEDED TO TRULY PUSH 1904 00:52:49,219 --> 00:52:50,059 THE BOUNDARIES OF MODERN 1905 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,289 PROSTHETICS. 1906 00:52:54,010 --> 00:52:54,210 HE DECIDED THAT HE'D HAVE TO 1907 00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:57,000 LEAVE HIS FRIEND JIM EWING AND 1908 00:52:57,019 --> 00:52:57,170 GO BACK TO SCHOOL, THERE WAS 1909 00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:59,230 JUST ONE PROBLEM. 1910 00:52:59,250 --> 00:53:00,150 >> Soledad: YOU WERE NOT A GOOD 1911 00:53:00,170 --> 00:53:04,050 STUDENT. 1912 00:53:04,070 --> 00:53:04,230 >> Hugh: NO, BUT I WAS A GREAT 1913 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:07,179 CLIMBER. 1914 00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:08,050 AND THOSE SKILLS OF ABSOLUTE 1915 00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:09,050 FOCUS I BELIEVED COULD BE 1916 00:53:09,070 --> 00:53:11,079 APPLIED ANYWHERE. 1917 00:53:11,099 --> 00:53:13,070 I WENT FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO 1918 00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:14,030 TAKE 10% OF 100 TO STUDYING 1919 00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:15,289 QUANTUM MECHANICS IN TWO YEARS. 1920 00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:17,239 >> HIS ACADEMIC TRIUMPHS SOON 1921 00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:19,219 BECAME ALMOST AS IMPRESSIVE AS 1922 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,070 HIS PHYSICAL COMEBACK TO 1923 00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:22,110 CLIMBING. 1924 00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:25,010 HE GOT ADVANCED DEGREES FROM MIT 1925 00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:30,010 AND HARVARD, AND EVENTUALLY 1926 00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:30,280 FOUNDED HIS AMBITIOUS 1927 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:31,170 BIOMECHATRONICS GROUP, WHERE HE 1928 00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:32,039 WORKED TO DEVELOP HIGH-TECH 1929 00:53:32,059 --> 00:53:33,059 PROSTHETICS FOR AMPUTEES, LIKE 1930 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:35,210 HIM. 1931 00:53:35,230 --> 00:53:37,150 HE DESIGNED THE LEGS HE WEARS 1932 00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:39,260 TODAY, WHICH ARE POWERED NOT BY 1933 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,199 MUSCLES AND TENDONS, BUT BY 1934 00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:43,059 COMPUTERS AND BATTERIES. 1935 00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:43,239 >> Soledad: YOU LITERALLY HAVE 1936 00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:46,170 AN ON/OFF SWITCH. 1937 00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:47,050 >> Hugh: MOST PEOPLE WHEN YOU 1938 00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:53,159 PUSH THEIR BUTTONS, THEY GET 1939 00:53:53,179 --> 00:53:54,289 ANGRY, WITH ME I GET ENERGIZED. 1940 00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:55,139 >> BUT WHEN IT COMES TO 1941 00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:56,030 CLIMBING, HERR STILL RETURNS TO 1942 00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:57,289 THE LEGS OF HIS PAST, USING THE 1943 00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:58,150 SAME PROSTHETICS HE BUILT 1944 00:53:58,170 --> 00:54:00,199 SHORTLY AFTER HIS ACCIDENT. 1945 00:54:00,219 --> 00:54:05,159 >> Hugh: I'VE CLIMBED MY HARDEST 1946 00:54:05,179 --> 00:54:06,090 ASCENTS WITH THESE BACK, LATE 1947 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:06,269 TEENS, EARLY 20S. 1948 00:54:06,289 --> 00:54:09,059 >> Soledad: HOW MANY SETS OF 1949 00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:09,210 LEGS DO YOU HAVE? 1950 00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:10,090 >> Hugh: I HAVE MANY PAIRS OF 1951 00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:10,159 LEGS. 1952 00:54:10,179 --> 00:54:11,099 PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, "OH, HUGH, 1953 00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:11,280 IT'S SO HORRIBLE THAT YOU LOST 1954 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:12,119 YOUR LEGS." 1955 00:54:12,139 --> 00:54:13,079 AND I SAY, "NO. 1956 00:54:13,099 --> 00:54:15,260 I GAINED LEGS." 1957 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,110 >> BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE KNOW HE 1958 00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:19,219 IS AN ELITE ATHLETE, HERR SAYS 1959 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,159 HE HEARS FROM OTHER ATHLETES ALL 1960 00:54:21,179 --> 00:54:24,010 THE TIME, WHO ARE AMPUTEES 1961 00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:25,010 LOOKING FOR ADVICE, AND HE HELPS 1962 00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:27,130 AS MANY AS HE CAN. 1963 00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:28,280 BUT THE ATHLETE WHO CALLED HIM A 1964 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,139 FEW YEARS AGO SEEKING HELP WAS 1965 00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,110 ONE HE NEVER SAW COMING. 1966 00:54:32,130 --> 00:54:34,099 >> Jim: I WAS UP NEAR THE TOP OF 1967 00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:36,170 THE CLIMB, SHIFTED MY FEET 1968 00:54:36,190 --> 00:54:38,289 SLIGHTLY TO GET A BETTER REST. 1969 00:54:39,010 --> 00:54:41,059 AND I SLIPPED OFF A LEDGE. 1970 00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,250 AND THEN I FELL ABOUT 50 FEET TO 1971 00:54:43,269 --> 00:54:45,260 THE GROUND. 1972 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,230 >> JIM EWING, HERR'S OLD 1973 00:54:47,250 --> 00:54:48,099 CLIMBING BUDDY, HAD SUSTAINED 1974 00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:49,219 MULTIPLE INJURIES, INCLUDING AN 1975 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,250 ANKLE SHATTERED SO BADLY THAT IT 1976 00:54:53,269 --> 00:54:54,239 WOULD NEVER PROPERLY HEAL. 1977 00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:55,210 >> Hugh: HE HAD SO MUCH PAIN AND 1978 00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:56,260 THERE WAS SO MUCH DISABILITY 1979 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,199 THAT HE BEGAN THINKING ABOUT 1980 00:54:58,219 --> 00:55:01,150 AMPUTATION. 1981 00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:05,139 >> Soledad: AND HE CALLED YOU TO 1982 00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:06,010 FEEL YOU OUT ON THAT. 1983 00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:06,179 >> Hugh: EXACTLY. 1984 00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:07,079 AND HE CALLED AT SUCH AN 1985 00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:08,110 OPPORTUNE MOMENT, 'CAUSE WE WERE 1986 00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:10,250 IN THE PROCESS OF INVENTING A 1987 00:55:10,269 --> 00:55:11,210 NEW WAY OF AMPUTATING LIMBS. 1988 00:55:11,230 --> 00:55:12,159 >> FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS, HERR'S 1989 00:55:12,179 --> 00:55:14,090 GROUP AT MIT HAD BEEN 1990 00:55:14,110 --> 00:55:15,030 COLLABORATING WITH A SURGICAL 1991 00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:16,260 TEAM IN BOSTON TO DEVELOP A 1992 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,090 FIRST-OF-ITS-KIND PROCEDURE FOR 1993 00:55:18,110 --> 00:55:19,280 AMPUTATION. 1994 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,019 ONE IN WHICH THE MUSCLES AND 1995 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,000 NERVES OF THE ORIGINAL LIMB 1996 00:55:24,019 --> 00:55:25,250 COULD BE PRESERVED, TO INTERACT 1997 00:55:25,269 --> 00:55:26,150 WITH AN ELECTRONIC LIMB LIKE 1998 00:55:26,170 --> 00:55:27,280 THIS. 1999 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,170 BUT TO TRY OUT THE RADICAL IDEA, 2000 00:55:30,190 --> 00:55:31,219 THEY NEEDED A PATIENT WILLING TO 2001 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,190 BE THE SUBJECT OF THE 2002 00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:37,159 EXPERIMENT. 2003 00:55:37,179 --> 00:55:38,010 ENTER JIM EWING. 2004 00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:39,280 >> BYE HONEY, LOVE YOU. 2005 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:40,159 >> Jim: LOVE YOU TOO. 2006 00:55:40,179 --> 00:55:42,130 >> SURGEONS REMOVED EWING'S LEFT 2007 00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:44,139 LEG IN A BRAND-NEW WAY, FUSING 2008 00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,010 TOGETHER MUSCLES AND TENDONS SO 2009 00:55:46,030 --> 00:55:48,239 THAT AFTERWARDS, HE 2010 00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:50,090 STILL FELT AS IF HIS LEG WERE 2011 00:55:50,110 --> 00:55:51,010 ATTACHED, THEN HE WAS OUTFITTED 2012 00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:53,050 WITH THIS ROBOTIC LEG, WHICH HAS 2013 00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:55,000 THE ABILITY NOT ONLY TO RECEIVE 2014 00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:57,190 MESSAGES FROM HIS BRAIN, BUT TO 2015 00:55:57,210 --> 00:55:59,179 SEND SIGNALS BACK. 2016 00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:00,219 IT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE WITH A 2017 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,139 HUMAN BEFORE. 2018 00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:04,289 >> Jim: IT INSTANTLY BECAME PART 2019 00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:06,119 OF ME. 2020 00:56:06,139 --> 00:56:09,139 AS SOON AS I WAS FEELING ITS 2021 00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:10,019 PRESENCE, MY BRAIN INTERPRETED 2022 00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:11,010 THAT AS, "OH, MY GOD, YOUR FOOT 2023 00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:13,039 IS BACK." 2024 00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:14,159 >> Soledad: BECAUSE YOUR BRAIN 2025 00:56:14,179 --> 00:56:15,190 LOOKS AT THAT TECHNOLOGY AS YOUR 2026 00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:16,280 OWN. 2027 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,099 >> Jim: RIGHT. 2028 00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:19,179 IT'S NOT A SEPARATE DEVICE. 2029 00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:22,179 IT'S NOT A TOOL. 2030 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:23,039 IT'S NOW PART OF MY BODY. 2031 00:56:23,059 --> 00:56:23,210 >> Hugh: HE SAID, YOU KNOW, 2032 00:56:23,230 --> 00:56:24,010 "IT'S MY LEG. 2033 00:56:24,030 --> 00:56:25,139 I HAVE MY LEG BACK." 2034 00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:26,070 >> Soledad: AND AT THAT MOMENT, 2035 00:56:26,090 --> 00:56:28,039 WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND? 2036 00:56:28,059 --> 00:56:29,150 >> Hugh: WE WERE LIKE, "OH MY 2037 00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:32,070 GOSH, IT WORKED." 2038 00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:33,210 >> HERR SAYS HE BEGAN TO 2039 00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:35,230 UNDERSTAND HOW TRULY 2040 00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:37,190 REVOLUTIONARY THIS NEW DEVICE 2041 00:56:37,210 --> 00:56:39,000 WAS IN THE FIRST HOURS EWING WAS 2042 00:56:39,019 --> 00:56:40,239 CONNECTED TO IT, DURING MUNDANE 2043 00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:42,000 MOMENTS EWING HIMSELF WASN'T 2044 00:56:42,019 --> 00:56:45,050 EVEN AWARE OF. 2045 00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:47,130 >> Jim: I STEPPED ON A ROLL OF 2046 00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:48,110 TAPE AND IT WAS STUCK TO THE 2047 00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:50,010 BOTTOM OF MY SHOE. 2048 00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:57,010 >> Hugh: WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN 2049 00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:59,059 SOMETHING'S STUCK TO YOUR FOOT? 2050 00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:02,099 YOU DON'T REACH DOWN AWKWARDLY, 2051 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:02,239 YOU SHAKE IT OFF. 2052 00:57:02,260 --> 00:57:03,139 AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. 2053 00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:04,010 >> Jim: OR JUST SITTING AND 2054 00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:04,199 TALKING WITH PEOPLE WITH MY FOOT 2055 00:57:04,219 --> 00:57:04,280 FIDGETING. 2056 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,159 >> Hugh: THOSE ARE SIGNS THAT 2057 00:57:05,179 --> 00:57:06,019 HE'S TRULY EMBODIED IN THE 2058 00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:06,170 TECHNOLOGY. 2059 00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:07,070 >> Soledad: WHICH IS A HUGE 2060 00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:07,289 DEAL. 2061 00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:08,130 >> Hugh: A HUGE DEAL. 2062 00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:10,260 >> THERE WAS ONLY ONE THING 2063 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:15,239 ABOUT HIS NEW LEG THAT EWING 2064 00:57:15,260 --> 00:57:17,250 DIDN'T LOVE: IT WASN'T BUILT TO 2065 00:57:17,269 --> 00:57:21,000 CLIMB. 2066 00:57:21,019 --> 00:57:22,059 BUT OF COURSE, THERE'S NOTHING 2067 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:22,230 HUGH HERR LIKES MORE THAN A 2068 00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:23,010 CHALLENGE. 2069 00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:23,199 >> Hugh: I DECIDED TO BUILD JIM 2070 00:57:23,219 --> 00:57:24,179 A VERY HIGH-TECH BIONIC LIMB FOR 2071 00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:27,179 THE VERTICAL WORLD. 2072 00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:28,099 >> Soledad: WHAT DOES IT DO? 2073 00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:29,019 >> Hugh: HE CAN EXACTLY POSITION 2074 00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:31,059 THE FOOT FOR THE FOOTHOLD, AND 2075 00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:31,250 THEN APPLY HIS WHOLE WEIGHT ON 2076 00:57:31,269 --> 00:57:32,139 THE HOLD AND ACTUALLY FEEL ITS 2077 00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:33,010 MOVEMENTS WITHIN HIS NERVOUS 2078 00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:34,230 SYSTEM. 2079 00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:36,219 >> ALRIGHTY. 2080 00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:37,269 >> AND SO, THE TWO OLD FRIENDS 2081 00:57:37,289 --> 00:57:40,179 CAN FINALLY CLIMB TOGETHER 2082 00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:43,179 AGAIN, JUST LIKE THEY FIRST DID 2083 00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,019 MORE THAN THIRTY YEARS AGO. 2084 00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:45,179 DESPITE ALL THEIR SHARED 2085 00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,130 HISTORY, WHAT HERR SEES WHEN HE 2086 00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:50,010 LOOKS AT HIS FRIEND NOW, IS THE 2087 00:57:50,030 --> 00:57:51,070 FUTURE. 2088 00:57:51,090 --> 00:57:53,079 >> Soledad: HIS LEGS CAN DO MORE 2089 00:57:53,099 --> 00:57:54,059 THAN YOURS CAN. 2090 00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:54,190 >> Hugh: ABSOLUTELY. 2091 00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:55,019 IT'S VERY ANNOYING. 2092 00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:55,280 >> Soledad: IS IT ANNOYING? 2093 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:56,139 ARE YOU COMPETITIVE IN LEG 2094 00:57:56,159 --> 00:58:00,039 TECHNOLOGY? 2095 00:58:00,059 --> 00:58:04,179 >> Hugh: YEAH. 2096 00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:05,039 I'VE ALWAYS HAD THE MOST 2097 00:58:05,059 --> 00:58:05,179 HIGH-TECH UNTIL NOW. 2098 00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:06,000 I'M SO YESTERDAY. 2099 00:58:06,019 --> 00:58:07,019 >> Bryant: ONE FINAL NOTE: IN 2100 00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,269 THE YEARS SINCE THE 2101 00:58:09,289 --> 00:58:13,139 GROUNDBREAKING OPERATION THAT HE 2102 00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:15,019 PERFORMED ON JIM EWING, HUGH 2103 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,269 HERR'S MISSION TO TRANSFORM 2104 00:58:17,289 --> 00:58:18,150 AMPUTEES INTO BIONIC MEN AND 2105 00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:19,019 WOMEN HAS GAINED SIGNIFICANT 2106 00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:19,099 MOMENTUM. 2107 00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:19,269 HIS PROCEDURE HAS NOW BEEN 2108 00:58:19,289 --> 00:58:20,230 SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED ON ABOUT 2109 00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:21,090 TWO DOZEN MORE PATIENTS. 2110 00:58:21,110 --> 00:58:21,260 AND THAT'LL DO IT FOR THIS 2111 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,090 EVENING. 2112 00:58:22,110 --> 00:58:23,130 FOR ALL THE FOLKS AT "REAL 2113 00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:24,050 SPORTS", I'M BRYANT GUMBEL, 2114 00:58:24,070 --> 00:58:25,119 THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR BEING 2115 00:58:25,139 --> 00:58:26,070 WITH US. 2116 00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:27,079 PLEASE STAY SAFE. 2117 00:58:27,099 --> 00:58:32,260 AND GOOD NIGHT. 2118 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:52,139 ♪ ♪