1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,093 >> START THE CLOCK. 2 00:00:24,126 --> 00:00:27,160 >> Bill: HEY, THANK YOU! 3 00:00:27,226 --> 00:00:29,226 IT SO GREAT TO BE BACK, I'VE 4 00:00:29,293 --> 00:00:32,727 MISSED OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE. 5 00:00:32,794 --> 00:00:35,393 WE'VE BEEN OFF FOR A MONTH, I 6 00:00:35,460 --> 00:00:36,894 WAS HOPING WHEN I GOT BACK I 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,293 WOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT BETTER 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,894 NEWS, BUT NO, ACTUALLY, 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,360 CALIFORNIA IS PRETTY MUCH SHUT 10 00:00:42,427 --> 00:00:42,694 DOWN AGAIN. 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,527 THE ONLY THING OPEN HERE NOW ARE 12 00:00:45,593 --> 00:00:47,060 BEACHES, GROCERY STORES, AND 13 00:00:47,126 --> 00:00:50,360 WILL SMITH'S MARRIAGE. 14 00:00:51,493 --> 00:00:53,160 A LOT HAS HAPPENED THE LAST 15 00:00:53,226 --> 00:00:55,160 MONTH SINCE WE'VE BEEN OFF, THE 16 00:00:55,226 --> 00:00:57,360 RUSSIANS PUT BOUNTIES ON THE 17 00:00:57,427 --> 00:00:59,327 HEADS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN 18 00:00:59,393 --> 00:01:00,527 AFGHANISTAN, TRUMP DIDN'T SAY 19 00:01:00,593 --> 00:01:01,160 ANYTHING. 20 00:01:01,226 --> 00:01:03,894 AND TRUMP ACED HIS DEMENTIA 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,460 TEST. 22 00:01:04,527 --> 00:01:09,060 AND WE ARE AT WAR WITH PORTLAND. 23 00:01:09,593 --> 00:01:11,927 NO BIGGIE NOW, BUT IF YOU 24 00:01:11,993 --> 00:01:12,727 PROTEST AGAINST THE AMERICAN 25 00:01:12,794 --> 00:01:16,060 GOVERNMENT, MASKED GUYS THROW 26 00:01:16,126 --> 00:01:17,260 YOU IN A VAN. 27 00:01:17,327 --> 00:01:19,694 IT'S ALL EXPLAINED IN TRUMP'S 28 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,460 NEW HAT "MAKE SOUTH AMERICA 29 00:01:20,527 --> 00:01:24,694 GREAT AGAIN." 30 00:01:25,026 --> 00:01:29,327 WHO'S DOING THIS? 31 00:01:29,393 --> 00:01:31,727 FEDERAL TROOPS, THIS MYSTERY 32 00:01:31,794 --> 00:01:32,660 POLICE, TRUMP LIKES CREATING 33 00:01:32,727 --> 00:01:33,360 THESE ARMIES. 34 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:35,760 REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO, 35 00:01:35,827 --> 00:01:36,860 SPACE FORCE? 36 00:01:36,927 --> 00:01:40,694 NOW HE'S GOT RACE FORCE. 37 00:01:41,026 --> 00:01:42,327 I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN INCREDIBLE 38 00:01:42,393 --> 00:01:44,593 PART OF THE STORY, IT GOT SO 39 00:01:44,660 --> 00:01:47,460 UGLY OUT THERE, THE PROTESTERS 40 00:01:47,527 --> 00:01:50,527 MOMS AT ONE POINT FORMED A HUMAN 41 00:01:50,593 --> 00:01:52,827 SHIELD, THEY CALLED IT THE WALL 42 00:01:52,894 --> 00:01:53,493 OF MOMS. 43 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,293 AND WE ARE DOING A SIMILAR THING 44 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,527 IN L.A., CALLED THE WALL OF 45 00:02:01,593 --> 00:02:02,393 MILFS. 46 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:06,460 BECAUSE IT'S L.A. 47 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:08,794 THE HEAD OF THE PORTLAND NAACP, 48 00:02:08,860 --> 00:02:11,927 GET THIS, HE SAID WHITE PEOPLE 49 00:02:11,993 --> 00:02:13,327 ARE CO-OPTING THE WHOLE 50 00:02:13,393 --> 00:02:13,993 MOVEMENT. 51 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:15,727 HE SAID IT'S BEEN CO-OPTED BY 52 00:02:15,794 --> 00:02:16,727 PRIVILEGED WHITE PEOPLE AND I 53 00:02:16,794 --> 00:02:19,894 THINK THAT'S TRUE. 54 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,160 IVANKA TRUMP TODAY THREW AWAY 55 00:02:22,226 --> 00:02:22,927 HER JAR OF CAVIAR AND TOOK A 56 00:02:22,993 --> 00:02:27,860 SELFIE WITH A BRICK. 57 00:02:28,794 --> 00:02:33,193 I TELL YOU, THE LEFT, YOU 58 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:36,527 MOTHERFUCKERS BETTER START 59 00:02:36,593 --> 00:02:37,327 UNITING BECAUSE IT'S 100 DAYS 60 00:02:37,393 --> 00:02:43,427 UNTIL THE ELECTION BECAUSE 61 00:02:43,493 --> 00:02:45,026 BERNIE SANDERS, COCHAIR OF HIS 62 00:02:45,093 --> 00:02:47,160 CAMPAIGN SAID THE OTHER DAY 63 00:02:47,226 --> 00:02:48,627 "VOTING FOR BIDEN IS LIKE EATING 64 00:02:48,694 --> 00:02:52,627 HALF A BOWL OF SHIT." 65 00:02:52,694 --> 00:02:54,927 WHAT CHIPOTLE CALLS THE KIDS 66 00:02:54,993 --> 00:02:56,993 MENU. 67 00:02:57,593 --> 00:03:00,193 THAT'S SO NOT FAIR TO CHIPOTLE. 68 00:03:00,260 --> 00:03:01,794 CHIPOTLE IS HEALTHIER THAN 69 00:03:01,860 --> 00:03:02,894 FAST FOOD EVEN THOUGH I SAID YOU 70 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,727 JUST EAT BOWLS OF SHIT -- WE ARE 71 00:03:05,794 --> 00:03:11,760 MEAN TO CHIPOTLE. 72 00:03:11,827 --> 00:03:12,293 THINGS WERE GOING GREAT IN 73 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,260 AMERICA AS WE KNOW AND THEN THIS 74 00:03:16,327 --> 00:03:19,293 WEEK, TRUMP HAD TO FIND A NEW 75 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,393 FAVORITE DOCTOR, DR. STELLA 76 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:23,560 EMMANUELLE. 77 00:03:23,627 --> 00:03:26,193 HE SAW HER ON YOUTUBE. 78 00:03:26,260 --> 00:03:28,527 SHE WAS SAYING MEDICINES CONTAIN 79 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,927 ALIEN DNA AND DISEASE IS CAUSED 80 00:03:31,993 --> 00:03:34,960 BY HAVING SEX WITH A DEMON WHILE 81 00:03:35,026 --> 00:03:36,093 YOU'RE ASLEEP. 82 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,560 I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO ABSORB 83 00:03:39,627 --> 00:03:40,560 THAT ONE. 84 00:03:40,627 --> 00:03:41,560 BUT SHE LIKES 85 00:03:41,627 --> 00:03:41,993 HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE. 86 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:45,894 SO TRUMP SAID "I THOUGHT HER 87 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:46,527 VOICE WAS UNIMPORTANT VOICE BUT 88 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:50,260 I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HER." 89 00:03:50,327 --> 00:03:51,393 A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING SHE 90 00:03:51,460 --> 00:03:56,493 OWNS A LAB COAT! 91 00:03:57,293 --> 00:03:59,427 JUST REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU HEAR 92 00:03:59,493 --> 00:04:00,393 ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT HE'S A 93 00:04:00,460 --> 00:04:02,360 DOCTOR, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN BE A 94 00:04:02,427 --> 00:04:03,260 DOCTOR! 95 00:04:03,327 --> 00:04:04,993 SHE'S A LICENSED PEDIATRICIAN, A 96 00:04:05,060 --> 00:04:08,293 REAL DOCTOR, IN FACT SHE'S IN MY 97 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,427 NETWORK, KANYE PERMANENTE. 98 00:04:11,493 --> 00:04:12,560 IN THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE 99 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:16,660 ACCEPTING NEW PATIENTS. 100 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,894 THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN AMERICA, 101 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,760 THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE 102 00:04:21,827 --> 00:04:23,093 UNITED STATES ENDORSES THIS 103 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,293 CRANK DOCTOR WHO SAYS THE DEVIL 104 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,493 FUCKS OF PEOPLE IN THEIR SLEEP 105 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,960 AND MY FIRST THOUGHT IS IT 106 00:04:29,026 --> 00:04:30,327 SOUNDS BETTER THAN REHEATING 107 00:04:30,393 --> 00:04:33,794 THAT MEAT LOAF. 108 00:04:34,126 --> 00:04:41,293 I TELL YOU, DR. WHATEVER HER 109 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,627 NAME -- CRAZY PERSON, SHE'S NOT 110 00:04:43,694 --> 00:04:44,627 BACKING DOWN. 111 00:04:44,694 --> 00:04:47,993 TODAY SHE TWEETED "YES, AMERICA, 112 00:04:48,060 --> 00:04:49,193 SOME NEED DELIVERANCE FROM DEMON 113 00:04:49,260 --> 00:04:52,393 SPERM." 114 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:54,060 THAT'S WHEN ALEX JONES WENT 115 00:04:54,126 --> 00:04:57,660 "I'LL HAVE WHAT SHE'S HAVING." 116 00:04:58,694 --> 00:04:59,860 THE BIG POLITICAL ISSUE THESE 117 00:04:59,927 --> 00:05:01,360 DAYS IS THAT THE TWO PARTIES ARE 118 00:05:01,427 --> 00:05:03,694 TRYING TO HAMMER OUT ANOTHER 119 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,093 BILL FOR COVID RELIEF AND TRUMP 120 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,560 INSISTS THAT IT INCLUDED, THIS 121 00:05:07,627 --> 00:05:11,093 IS COVID RELIEF -- HE INSISTS IT 122 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,627 INCLUDED MONEY FOR A NEW FBI 123 00:05:13,694 --> 00:05:15,493 HEADQUARTERS. 124 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,694 WHICH, HE DOES HAVE A POINT, WE 125 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:18,460 DO NEED THAT. 126 00:05:18,527 --> 00:05:20,694 ALL OF THE AGENTS AT THE 127 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,760 J. EDGAR HOOVER BUILDING SAY 128 00:05:21,827 --> 00:05:25,026 IT'S A REAL DRAG. 129 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,527 AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OR 130 00:05:29,593 --> 00:05:31,794 AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE THAT TRUMP 131 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:35,093 TWEETED TODAY, OR I GUESS IT WAS 132 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,293 YESTERDAY, HE TWEETED THAT 133 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,927 "20/20 WILL BE THE MOST 134 00:05:38,993 --> 00:05:40,126 INACCURATE AND A FRAUDULENT 135 00:05:40,193 --> 00:05:41,260 ELECTION." 136 00:05:41,327 --> 00:05:43,927 AND THEN HE POSED A QUESTION 137 00:05:44,026 --> 00:05:47,160 "DELAY THE ELECTION UNTIL PEOPLE 138 00:05:47,226 --> 00:05:48,126 CAN SAFELY VOTE?" 139 00:05:48,193 --> 00:05:49,427 FOR EVERYONE WHO WAS CALLED ME 140 00:05:49,493 --> 00:05:51,727 CRAZY THE LAST THREE YEARS 141 00:05:51,794 --> 00:05:52,493 BECAUSE I WAS ASKING THIS 142 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,360 QUESTION AND SAYING HE WOULD DO 143 00:05:54,427 --> 00:05:56,226 EXACTLY THAT, I WILL ACCEPT YOUR 144 00:05:56,293 --> 00:06:01,960 APOLOGY IN WEED. 145 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:04,527 OKAY, WE'VE GOT A GREAT SHOW, 146 00:06:04,593 --> 00:06:05,193 TONIGHT WE HAVE JIM CARREY, 147 00:06:05,260 --> 00:06:06,260 KERRY WASHINGTON, THOMAS 148 00:06:06,327 --> 00:06:07,260 CHATTERTON WILLIAMS AND BARI 149 00:06:07,327 --> 00:06:08,493 WEISS - I SPOKE TO THEM ALL 150 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,193 YESTERDAY. 151 00:06:11,260 --> 00:06:13,660 TODAY, THAT WAS YESTERDAY. 152 00:06:13,727 --> 00:06:14,960 LET'S GET TO IT. 153 00:06:15,026 --> 00:06:15,993 SHE'S THE EMMY NOMINATED ACTOR 154 00:06:16,060 --> 00:06:17,060 WHO PRODUCED THE ACLU 155 00:06:17,126 --> 00:06:18,327 DOCUMENTARY "THE FIGHT" WHICH 156 00:06:18,393 --> 00:06:19,727 YOU CAN SEE IN SELECT CINEMAS, 157 00:06:19,794 --> 00:06:26,727 ON VIDEO AND ON-DEMAND STARTING 158 00:06:26,794 --> 00:06:28,927 FRIDAY, JULY 31ST. 159 00:06:29,026 --> 00:06:30,026 THAT'S TONIGHT. 160 00:06:30,093 --> 00:06:33,126 KERRY WASHINGTON! 161 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:34,993 THANKS SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS, 162 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:36,393 DID YOU FEEL THE EARTHQUAKE 163 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:36,593 TODAY? 164 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:37,927 I DON'T MEAN THE THING THAT GOT 165 00:06:37,993 --> 00:06:40,894 ME OUT OF BED, TRUMP TWEETED 166 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,727 THAT HE WANTS TO DELAY THE 167 00:06:43,794 --> 00:06:44,694 ELECTION. 168 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,126 YOU'RE A THOUGHT LEADER IN THIS 169 00:06:46,193 --> 00:06:46,760 COUNTRY, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION 170 00:06:46,827 --> 00:06:50,927 TO THAT? 171 00:06:50,993 --> 00:06:52,126 >> NOT TO JUMP RIGHT INTO THE 172 00:06:52,193 --> 00:06:54,026 FILM BUT I DO HAVE TO JUMP RIGHT 173 00:06:54,093 --> 00:06:55,527 INTO THE FILM BECAUSE ONE OF THE 174 00:06:55,593 --> 00:06:58,160 THINGS THAT HAPPENED FOR ME -- 175 00:06:58,226 --> 00:07:00,760 I'VE ALWAYS HAD SUCH A GREAT 176 00:07:00,827 --> 00:07:02,060 DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE ACLU AND 177 00:07:02,126 --> 00:07:03,960 ALWAYS HAD A REALLY GOOD WORKING 178 00:07:04,026 --> 00:07:05,593 RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, BUT WHAT 179 00:07:05,660 --> 00:07:08,126 I CAME TO REALIZE IS EVERY 180 00:07:08,193 --> 00:07:10,193 SINGLE THING THAT WE ARE WORRIED 181 00:07:10,260 --> 00:07:13,193 ABOUT RIGHT NOW, LGBTQ RIGHTS, 182 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:15,026 WOMEN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, POLICE 183 00:07:15,093 --> 00:07:15,960 BRUTALITY ON BLACK BODIES, 184 00:07:16,026 --> 00:07:19,126 IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS, VOTING RIGHTS 185 00:07:19,193 --> 00:07:20,260 RIGHTS, WHEN YOU READ SOMETHING 186 00:07:20,327 --> 00:07:23,393 HORRIBLE HAPPENING IN THE PAPER, 187 00:07:23,460 --> 00:07:24,226 YOU CAN BE GUARANTEED THAT THE 188 00:07:24,293 --> 00:07:27,093 ACLU IS ON IT. 189 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,393 THEY ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF 190 00:07:29,460 --> 00:07:30,894 THIS FIGHT OF BATTLING THE 191 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,794 ATTACK ON CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL 192 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:33,060 LIBERTIES. 193 00:07:33,126 --> 00:07:34,026 MY FIRST RESPONSE WHEN I READ IT 194 00:07:34,093 --> 00:07:41,026 WAS I BET THAT THEY'RE GOING TO 195 00:07:41,093 --> 00:07:42,226 DROP OUT OF SOME OF OUR 196 00:07:42,293 --> 00:07:42,860 INTERVIEWS FOR TODAY BECAUSE HE 197 00:07:42,927 --> 00:07:45,827 HAS WORKED TODAY. 198 00:07:45,894 --> 00:07:46,527 AND I'M GRATEFUL HE'S ON THE 199 00:07:46,593 --> 00:07:49,327 GROUND DOING THAT WORK. 200 00:07:49,393 --> 00:07:50,660 >> Bill: THEY SURE NEED 201 00:07:50,727 --> 00:07:54,694 DEFENDING, THE ACLU. 202 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,327 BECAUSE THEY ALSO DEFEND PEOPLE 203 00:07:55,393 --> 00:07:58,727 WHO ARE ABHORRENT. 204 00:07:58,827 --> 00:08:00,160 AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES ON 205 00:08:00,226 --> 00:08:01,993 THE LEFT, WE FORGET ABOUT FREE 206 00:08:02,060 --> 00:08:06,393 SPEECH AND THE INTEREST OF NOT 207 00:08:06,460 --> 00:08:08,126 BEING OFFENDED AND I THINK IT'S 208 00:08:08,193 --> 00:08:09,927 GREAT THAT SOMEONE LIKE YOU GETS 209 00:08:09,993 --> 00:08:11,794 OUT THERE AND SAYS YES, THE ACLU 210 00:08:11,860 --> 00:08:12,593 IS OUR FRIEND EVEN THOUGH THEY 211 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:18,560 DEFENDED THE NAZIS, THEY 212 00:08:18,627 --> 00:08:19,026 DEFENDED THE PEOPLE AT 213 00:08:19,093 --> 00:08:21,993 CHARLOTTESVILLE, THEY DEFENDED 214 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:22,593 THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH, 215 00:08:22,660 --> 00:08:25,427 THEY WALK THE WALK. 216 00:08:25,493 --> 00:08:27,927 >> I TRY TO REMIND PEOPLE OF 217 00:08:27,993 --> 00:08:29,093 THEIR HASN'T EVER BEEN A 218 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,360 PRESIDENT SINCE THE INCEPTION OF 219 00:08:30,427 --> 00:08:32,993 THE ACLU 100 YEARS AGO, THERE'S 220 00:08:33,060 --> 00:08:34,093 NEVER BEEN A PRESIDENT WHO 221 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,460 HASN'T BEEN SUED, THEY'VE SUED 222 00:08:36,527 --> 00:08:37,760 EVERY PRESIDENT, REPUBLICAN OR 223 00:08:37,827 --> 00:08:39,060 DEMOCRAT BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE 224 00:08:39,126 --> 00:08:41,493 INVESTED IN THE RIGHTS OF ALL 225 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:42,160 PEOPLE. 226 00:08:42,226 --> 00:08:44,360 I'M VERY PROUD OF HOW WE DEAL 227 00:08:44,427 --> 00:08:44,993 WITH THE WHOLE CHARLOTTESVILLE 228 00:08:45,060 --> 00:08:47,894 SITUATION IN THE FILM. 229 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,293 WE ASKED THEM ABOUT IT, WE ARE 230 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,026 INVITED INTO THEIR INTROSPECTION 231 00:08:54,093 --> 00:08:55,827 AND THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF 232 00:08:55,894 --> 00:08:57,360 CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE 233 00:08:57,427 --> 00:08:59,427 ORGANIZATION NOW AROUND WHERE 234 00:08:59,493 --> 00:09:01,860 THEY STAND AND MAKING SURE THAT 235 00:09:01,927 --> 00:09:03,193 THEY ARE ALSO FACTORING IN 236 00:09:03,260 --> 00:09:05,026 ACCESS TO POWER WHEN THEY CHOOSE 237 00:09:05,093 --> 00:09:05,827 THEIR CLIENTS. 238 00:09:05,894 --> 00:09:07,460 THEY BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH BUT 239 00:09:07,527 --> 00:09:08,160 WHEN THEY DECIDE WHICH CLIENTS 240 00:09:08,226 --> 00:09:11,360 THEY WILL WORK WITH, THEY ARE 241 00:09:11,427 --> 00:09:13,627 HAVING COMPLICATED, NUANCED 242 00:09:13,694 --> 00:09:18,860 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WHICH 243 00:09:18,927 --> 00:09:19,360 I'M REALLY PROUD OF. 244 00:09:19,427 --> 00:09:21,193 >> Bill: IT'S A GREAT FILM AND 245 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:21,927 I HOPE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE 246 00:09:21,993 --> 00:09:26,727 TO SEE IT IN SOME PLATFORM. 247 00:09:26,794 --> 00:09:28,593 >> THAT'S RIGHT, I KNOW 248 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:29,727 EVERYBODY IS WATCHING BLACK IS 249 00:09:29,827 --> 00:09:30,794 KING THIS WEEKEND BUT WHEN 250 00:09:30,860 --> 00:09:32,126 YOU'RE DONE WITH BLACK IS KING, 251 00:09:32,193 --> 00:09:34,226 THEN YOU CAN WATCH THE FIGHT. 252 00:09:34,293 --> 00:09:38,226 >> Bill: IT WAS JOHN LEWIS' 253 00:09:38,293 --> 00:09:42,060 FUNERAL TODAY, THIS SHOW AIRS 254 00:09:42,126 --> 00:09:43,193 TOMORROW BUT IT WAS TODAY, I 255 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:43,894 KNOW YOU KNEW HIM, YOU MUST'VE 256 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,493 HAD A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND 257 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:49,560 EMOTIONS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA 258 00:09:49,627 --> 00:09:51,993 SPOKE TO NO ONE'S SURPRISE, HE 259 00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:52,293 WAS GREAT. 260 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,060 BILL CLINTON SPOKE, GEORGE BUSH 261 00:09:57,126 --> 00:09:57,860 SPOKE -- NOT SOMEONE YOU WOULD 262 00:09:57,927 --> 00:09:59,360 EXPECT BUT TO ME I THOUGHT THAT 263 00:09:59,427 --> 00:10:01,493 WAS A GOOD SIGN IN AMERICA. 264 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:04,493 >> I DID TOO. 265 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:10,493 I REALLY DID, I FELT LIKE THIS 266 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:11,393 IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE 267 00:10:11,460 --> 00:10:13,927 CONVERSATIONS ACROSS THE AISLE, 268 00:10:13,993 --> 00:10:17,660 THE IDEA OF RESPECT AND CIVILITY 269 00:10:17,727 --> 00:10:17,927 CIVILITY. 270 00:10:17,993 --> 00:10:19,226 WE ARE TALKING AT EACH OTHER AND 271 00:10:19,293 --> 00:10:23,360 NOT WITH AND TO EACH OTHER. 272 00:10:23,427 --> 00:10:24,694 THAT IS NOT HOW WE'RE GOING TO 273 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,794 GET TO REAL CHANGE OF THIS 274 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:27,026 COUNTRY. 275 00:10:27,093 --> 00:10:28,694 >> Bill: YOU KNOW THERE ARE 276 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,527 PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY IT'S NOT 277 00:10:30,593 --> 00:10:32,327 RIGHT BECAUSE GEORGE BUSH'S 278 00:10:32,393 --> 00:10:33,794 FATHER TO THE WILLIE HORTON AD 279 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:35,960 AND GEORGE BUSH WAS NOT A GREAT 280 00:10:36,026 --> 00:10:38,360 FRIEND OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, 281 00:10:38,427 --> 00:10:42,260 WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? 282 00:10:42,327 --> 00:10:46,293 >> I GET IT, I GET IT. 283 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,427 I THINK IT'S FUNNY, THINGS CAN 284 00:10:51,493 --> 00:10:53,193 SEEM ROSY WHEN YOU'RE FACED WITH 285 00:10:53,260 --> 00:10:56,593 NEW CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN IT COMES 286 00:10:56,660 --> 00:10:58,327 TO PRESIDENTS. 287 00:10:58,393 --> 00:11:03,293 I MARCHED, I PROTESTED BUSH'S 288 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,660 PRESIDENCY, I PROTESTED THE CUTS 289 00:11:04,727 --> 00:11:06,660 OF FEDERAL FUNDING TO THE ARTS, 290 00:11:06,727 --> 00:11:07,993 I STILL THINK WHEN A GREAT CIVIL 291 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:10,960 RIGHTS LEADER PASSES AND 292 00:11:11,026 --> 00:11:11,627 SOMEBODY FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF 293 00:11:11,694 --> 00:11:14,026 THE AISLE SAYS I WANT TO COME 294 00:11:14,093 --> 00:11:18,226 AND SHOW RESPECT, THAT IS 295 00:11:18,293 --> 00:11:20,660 SOMETHING I WELCOME. 296 00:11:20,727 --> 00:11:22,126 I WELCOME IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO 297 00:11:22,193 --> 00:11:26,126 RESTORE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. 298 00:11:26,193 --> 00:11:28,660 AND I WANT TO BE IN CONVERSATION 299 00:11:28,727 --> 00:11:32,293 WITH LEGI LEGISLATIVE OFFICIALSO 300 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:32,960 ARE WILLING TO STEP OUTSIDE 301 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:34,093 THEIR COMFORT ZONE TO DO WHAT IS 302 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,894 RIGHT FOR ALL PEOPLE. 303 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,293 JUST STAYING AWAY AND KEEPING 304 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,126 THIS HUGE DIVIDE IS NOT HOW YOU 305 00:11:41,193 --> 00:11:42,560 GUARANTEE RIGHTS FOR ALL 306 00:11:42,627 --> 00:11:45,093 AMERICANS. 307 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,493 >> Bill: IT'S A GREAT POINT. 308 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,193 WITH TRUMP, WE HAVE PERSPECTIVE 309 00:11:50,260 --> 00:11:51,360 NOW ABOUT PEOPLE WE DON'T AGREE 310 00:11:51,427 --> 00:11:53,160 WITH FULLY. 311 00:11:53,226 --> 00:11:55,927 IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP ANYTHING 312 00:11:55,993 --> 00:11:57,126 TO POINT FINGERS AND SAY YOU'RE 313 00:11:57,193 --> 00:11:59,360 NOT NEARLY AS GOOD AS ME, SO YOU 314 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:04,160 JUST HAVE TO BE BANISHED. 315 00:12:04,226 --> 00:12:05,593 SO JOE BIDEN, HE ANNOUNCED TO 316 00:12:05,660 --> 00:12:06,527 THE OTHER DAY HE IS GOING TO 317 00:12:06,593 --> 00:12:09,960 CHOOSE HIS VICE PRESIDENT IN THE 318 00:12:10,026 --> 00:12:10,993 COMING WEEK AND WE MAY FIND OUT 319 00:12:11,060 --> 00:12:13,794 WHO THAT IS VERY SOON AFTER. 320 00:12:13,860 --> 00:12:19,460 ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, WHO WAS 321 00:12:19,527 --> 00:12:24,593 YOUR DRUTHERS CHOICE? 322 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:29,293 WHO DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO O 323 00:12:29,327 --> 00:12:29,427 THE? 324 00:12:29,493 --> 00:12:31,226 >> AND I WOULD BET IT'S KAMALA 325 00:12:31,293 --> 00:12:37,093 HARRIS, I WOULD BET ANY MONEY 326 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,060 AFTER THEY TOOK AWAY HALF OF MY 327 00:12:38,126 --> 00:12:41,160 WAY TO MAKE A LIVING, I THINK 328 00:12:41,226 --> 00:12:45,193 IT'S GOING TO BE KAMALA HARRIS. 329 00:12:45,260 --> 00:12:46,393 SHE'S A "LAW & ORDER" 330 00:12:46,460 --> 00:12:47,293 PROSECUTOR, THAT ANSWERS A LOT 331 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,794 OF WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO SELL 332 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:52,093 ON HIS SIDE ABOUT UNREST IN THE 333 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:52,327 STREETS. 334 00:12:52,393 --> 00:12:56,026 SHE'S A BLACK WOMAN AND I LIKE 335 00:12:56,093 --> 00:12:56,993 HER. 336 00:12:57,060 --> 00:12:57,960 SHE MADE SOME MISTAKES IN THE 337 00:12:58,026 --> 00:13:00,160 CAMPAIGN BUT I THINK SHE'S GOOD. 338 00:13:00,226 --> 00:13:04,360 >> I AGREE, I THINK IT WOULD BE 339 00:13:04,427 --> 00:13:06,393 AN EXCELLENT CHOICE. 340 00:13:06,460 --> 00:13:07,060 I THINK KAMALA HARRIS WOULD BE A 341 00:13:07,126 --> 00:13:12,126 GOOD CHOICE, SEES TO STACEY 342 00:13:12,193 --> 00:13:12,393 ABRAMS -- 343 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:13,760 >> Bill: SUSAN RICE, SHE WAS 344 00:13:13,827 --> 00:13:14,527 ON OUR SHOW. 345 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:17,827 >> I LOVE HER, THESE ARE 346 00:13:17,894 --> 00:13:18,327 POWERFUL, STRONG WOMEN. 347 00:13:18,393 --> 00:13:20,026 >> Bill: WE LOVE YOU, YOU KEEP 348 00:13:20,093 --> 00:13:21,794 GETTING TO BE A BIGGER STAR BUT 349 00:13:21,860 --> 00:13:24,060 YOU KEEP DOING OUR SHOW WHICH I 350 00:13:24,126 --> 00:13:25,527 CAN'T SAY FOR ALL OF THE BIG 351 00:13:25,593 --> 00:13:30,060 STARS OUT THERE, JOE BIDEN USED 352 00:13:30,126 --> 00:13:30,993 TO DO OUR SHOW AND THEN HE 353 00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:33,593 BECAME VICE PRESIDENT AND HE 354 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:36,393 FORGOT ALL ABOUT US. 355 00:13:36,460 --> 00:13:37,827 CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR TEN EMMY 356 00:13:37,894 --> 00:13:38,593 NOMINATIONS YESTERDAY AND GOOD 357 00:13:38,660 --> 00:13:39,993 LUCK WITH THE FILM. 358 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:40,593 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 359 00:13:40,660 --> 00:13:43,960 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. 360 00:13:44,026 --> 00:13:47,360 >> Bill: OKAY, HERE IS OUR 361 00:13:47,427 --> 00:13:47,560 PANEL. 362 00:13:47,627 --> 00:13:48,727 HE'S A COLUMNIST AT HARPER'S 363 00:13:48,794 --> 00:13:50,260 MAGAZINE AND AUTHOR OF 364 00:13:50,327 --> 00:13:51,260 "SELF-PORTRAIT IN BLACK AND 365 00:13:51,327 --> 00:13:52,126 WHITE: UNLEARNING RACE" WHICH 366 00:13:52,193 --> 00:13:53,160 WILL BE AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK 367 00:13:53,226 --> 00:13:54,260 ON SEPTEMBER 15TH: THOMAS 368 00:13:54,327 --> 00:13:56,327 CHATTERTON WILLIAMS. 369 00:13:56,393 --> 00:14:00,293 WHO I CALL SIR THOMAS CHATTERTON 370 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,260 WILLIAMS, BECAUSE IT JUST FITS. 371 00:14:02,327 --> 00:14:03,226 SHE'S A JOURNALIST AND THE 372 00:14:03,293 --> 00:14:09,460 AUTHOR OF "HOW TO FIGHT 373 00:14:09,527 --> 00:14:14,160 ANTI-SEMITISM": OUR FRIEND VERY 374 00:14:14,226 --> 00:14:15,960 WEISS. 375 00:14:16,026 --> 00:14:18,560 YOU TWO ARE TROUBLEMAKERS, THIS 376 00:14:18,627 --> 00:14:20,093 IS A TALE OF TWO LETTERS, WE 377 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,060 WILL START CHRONOLOGICAL IN THE 378 00:14:22,126 --> 00:14:23,493 FIRST ONE CAME OUT IN HARPERS, 379 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,894 CAUSED A BIG STIR, YOU SIGNED IT 380 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,927 AND HELPED SHAPE IT, THOMAS, YOU 381 00:14:27,993 --> 00:14:30,260 WERE THE RINGLEADER AND IT WAS 382 00:14:30,327 --> 00:14:31,360 DESIGNED BY A WHO'S WHO OF 383 00:14:31,427 --> 00:14:33,126 INTELLECTUALS AROUND THE WORLD. 384 00:14:33,193 --> 00:14:36,393 AND IT'S A PUSHBACK ON COUNCIL 385 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:38,026 CULTURE AND AS A GUY WHO DID A 386 00:14:38,093 --> 00:14:38,527 SHOW CALLED POLITICALLY 387 00:14:38,593 --> 00:14:44,360 INCORRECT AND ANOTHER ONE CALLD 388 00:14:44,427 --> 00:14:45,894 REAL TIME, THANK YOU BECAUSE WE 389 00:14:45,993 --> 00:14:47,427 NEED A PUSHBACK ON CANCEL 390 00:14:47,493 --> 00:14:47,794 CULTURE. 391 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:49,660 TO PEOPLE COMING INTO THIS FOR 392 00:14:49,727 --> 00:14:51,093 THE FIRST TIME, TELL THEM 393 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,327 BRIEFLY WHAT IS YOUR GRIPE? 394 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:55,827 ISN'T THIS JUST A BUNCH OF 395 00:14:55,894 --> 00:14:57,460 ELITES WHINING? 396 00:14:57,527 --> 00:15:01,527 >> I DON'T THINK IT IS. 397 00:15:01,593 --> 00:15:02,727 BASICALLY, I WAS HAVING A 398 00:15:02,794 --> 00:15:04,794 CONVERSATION WITH A COUPLE OF 399 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:07,293 OTHER WRITERS WHO ALONG WITH ME 400 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:07,993 ORGANIZED THIS LETTER, GEORGE 401 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:11,993 PACKER, ROBERT WORTH, DAVID 402 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:14,126 GREENBERG AND FOR A COUPLE OF 403 00:15:14,193 --> 00:15:18,060 YEARS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A 404 00:15:18,126 --> 00:15:18,694 CLIMATE OF A LIBERALISM THAT HAS 405 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,226 BEEN SETTING IN AND OUR NATION'S 406 00:15:22,293 --> 00:15:24,393 CULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONS AND IN 407 00:15:24,460 --> 00:15:26,760 THE THE PAST FEW MONTHS, IT 408 00:15:26,827 --> 00:15:27,927 SEEMED TO BE SOMETHING WE 409 00:15:27,993 --> 00:15:28,460 COULDN'T IGNORE AND SO WE 410 00:15:28,527 --> 00:15:31,727 STARTED TALKING ABOUT PUTTING 411 00:15:31,827 --> 00:15:32,393 TOGETHER A LETTER AND SEEING IF 412 00:15:32,460 --> 00:15:35,260 ANYONE WOULD SIGN IT. 413 00:15:35,327 --> 00:15:36,226 IT'S KIND OF CATCH AS CATCH CAN 414 00:15:36,293 --> 00:15:38,827 AND WE STARTED GETTING MORE AND 415 00:15:38,894 --> 00:15:40,593 MORE NAMES AND WE WOULD GET SOME 416 00:15:40,660 --> 00:15:41,727 ATTENTION BUT NONE OF US 417 00:15:41,794 --> 00:15:42,927 EXPECTED IT WOULD BE TALKED 418 00:15:42,993 --> 00:15:44,527 ABOUT FOR MOST OF THE MONTH 419 00:15:44,593 --> 00:15:48,927 OF JULY THE WAY IT HAS BEEN. 420 00:15:48,993 --> 00:15:49,760 INTERNATIONALLY, I'VE BEEN 421 00:15:49,827 --> 00:15:50,560 TAKING INTERVIEWS FROM CHILE TO 422 00:15:50,627 --> 00:15:55,827 SPAIN TO CANADA, U.K., YOU NAME 423 00:15:55,894 --> 00:15:56,060 IT. 424 00:15:56,126 --> 00:15:57,960 >> Bill: THERE'S VERY LITTLE 425 00:15:58,026 --> 00:15:59,360 ELSE GOING ON, THAT'S WHY IT GOT 426 00:15:59,427 --> 00:15:59,760 ALL THE ATTENTION. 427 00:15:59,827 --> 00:16:01,760 I WANT TO READ SOME OF THE OTHER 428 00:16:01,827 --> 00:16:03,293 NAMES IN THE LIST BECAUSE WHAT 429 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,493 STRIKES ME ABOUT IT IS OF COURSE 430 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,460 THE PUSHBACK IS COMING FROM 431 00:16:06,527 --> 00:16:07,427 LIBERALS AND ALMOST EVERYONE WHO 432 00:16:07,493 --> 00:16:11,694 SIGNS THIS LETTER IS A LIBERAL. 433 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,126 MARGARET ATWOOD, MARTIN AMOS, 434 00:16:14,193 --> 00:16:16,327 WYNTON MARSALIS, STEVEN PINKER, 435 00:16:16,393 --> 00:16:19,160 NOAM CHOMSKY, J.K. ROWLING, 436 00:16:19,226 --> 00:16:21,393 MALCOLM GLADWELL, BILL JONES, 437 00:16:21,460 --> 00:16:24,794 SALMAN RUSHDIE, GLORIA STEINEM, 438 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:29,226 THIS IS WHAT AMAZES ME ABOUT 439 00:16:29,293 --> 00:16:31,126 THIS. 440 00:16:31,193 --> 00:16:33,427 THEY CALL YOU A CENTRIST OR A 441 00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:36,160 RIGHT WINGER, IF A HIP 442 00:16:36,226 --> 00:16:37,560 MILLENNIAL JEWISH BISEXUAL GIRL 443 00:16:37,627 --> 00:16:38,993 WHO WAS LIVING IN SAN FRANCISCO 444 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:43,694 IS NOT A LIBERAL AND YOU, SIR 445 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:44,894 THOMAS, WHO IS THESE DAYS? 446 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,293 >> I LOVE THAT I GET TO BE HIP, 447 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,927 ONLY ON THE SHOW AND MY HIP. 448 00:16:49,993 --> 00:16:51,660 I THINK WHAT'S CRITICAL ABOUT 449 00:16:51,727 --> 00:16:53,527 THE LETTER IS THE LETTER IS A 450 00:16:53,593 --> 00:16:58,026 WARNING CRY FROM INSIDE THE 451 00:16:58,093 --> 00:16:59,894 INSTITUTIONS, MEANING WHAT WE 452 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:01,060 ARE TRYING TO SAY WITH THE 453 00:17:01,126 --> 00:17:03,427 LETTER AND WHAT THOMAS DID IN 454 00:17:03,493 --> 00:17:07,160 FORMING IT WAS SAYING WHAT'S 455 00:17:07,226 --> 00:17:09,760 HAPPENING NOW WITH THIS GROWING 456 00:17:09,827 --> 00:17:11,960 CULTURE OF A LIBERALISM IS 457 00:17:12,026 --> 00:17:12,960 DIFFERENT FROM CRITICISM. 458 00:17:13,026 --> 00:17:15,060 THOMAS AND I AND YOU, WE ARE 459 00:17:15,126 --> 00:17:16,560 USED TO CRITICISM, CRITICISM IS 460 00:17:16,627 --> 00:17:18,727 KOSHER IN THE WORK THAT WE DO, 461 00:17:18,794 --> 00:17:21,593 CRITICISM IS GREAT, BUT CANCEL 462 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:22,493 CULTURE ISN'T CRITICISM, IT'S 463 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,493 ABOUT PUNISHMENT. 464 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,827 IT'S ABOUT MAKING A PERSON 465 00:17:26,894 --> 00:17:28,560 RADIOACTIVE, IT'S ABOUT TAKING 466 00:17:28,627 --> 00:17:30,060 AWAY THEIR JOB. 467 00:17:30,126 --> 00:17:31,193 THE WRITER JONATHAN RAUCH HAS 468 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:32,760 CALLED IT SOMETHING LIKE SOCIAL 469 00:17:32,827 --> 00:17:34,894 MURDER AND I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 470 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,794 I THINK A CRITICAL PART OF IT IF 471 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:38,160 YOU LOOK AT A BUNCH OF INSTANCES 472 00:17:38,226 --> 00:17:40,193 THAT I HOPE WILL NOT GET INTO, 473 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:41,327 IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PUNISHING 474 00:17:41,393 --> 00:17:43,794 THE SINNER, IT'S NOT ABOUT 475 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:45,193 PUNISHING THE PERSON FOR BEING 476 00:17:45,260 --> 00:17:47,927 INSUFFICIENTLY PURE, IT'S ABOUT 477 00:17:48,026 --> 00:17:49,527 A SECONDARY BOYCOTT OF PEOPLE 478 00:17:49,593 --> 00:17:51,327 WHO WOULD DEIGN TO SPEAK TO THAT 479 00:17:51,393 --> 00:17:53,660 PERSON OR APPEAR ON A PLATFORM 480 00:17:53,727 --> 00:17:55,493 WITH THAT PERSON AND WE SEE VERY 481 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,627 OBVIOUSLY WHERE THAT KIND OF 482 00:17:56,694 --> 00:17:57,860 POLITICS GETS US. 483 00:17:57,927 --> 00:18:01,694 IF CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WE 484 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:02,627 DISAGREE WITH BECOMES 485 00:18:02,694 --> 00:18:03,593 IMPOSSIBLE, WHAT IS THE WAY WE 486 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:06,993 SOLVE CONFLICT? 487 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:07,860 >> Bill: AND NOT DISAGREE WITH 488 00:18:07,927 --> 00:18:11,593 THAT MUCH. 489 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:15,226 >> THIS IS THE CRITICAL THING. 490 00:18:15,293 --> 00:18:17,060 AS POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY HAS 491 00:18:17,126 --> 00:18:18,593 COME TO SUPPLANT RELIGION AND I 492 00:18:18,660 --> 00:18:22,760 BELIEVE IT HAS FOR MANY PEOPLE, 493 00:18:22,827 --> 00:18:25,193 POLITICS HAS COME TO BE PEOPLE'S 494 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:25,794 ALMOST RELIGIOUS IDENTITY AND 495 00:18:25,860 --> 00:18:27,993 YOU SEE IT ON THE RIGHT WITH THE 496 00:18:28,060 --> 00:18:29,960 WORSHIP OF TRUMP AS A DEITY WHO 497 00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:30,493 CAN DO NOTHING WRONG. 498 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:42,960 YOU SEE IT ON THE LEFT, WHERE TO 499 00:18:43,026 --> 00:18:43,593 DO ANYTHING LESS THAN DEFUNDING 500 00:18:43,660 --> 00:18:44,126 THE POLICE, TO ABOLISH THE 501 00:18:44,193 --> 00:18:44,760 POLICE MAKES YOU SOMETHING LIKE 502 00:18:44,827 --> 00:18:45,060 A HERETIC. 503 00:18:45,126 --> 00:18:45,593 THAT'S AN ENORMOUS PROBLEM 504 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:47,293 BECAUSE WHAT IT HAS MEANT IS A 505 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,460 COLLAPSE OF THE CENTER AND THE 506 00:18:51,527 --> 00:18:55,160 RETRY BELAY STATION OF THIS 507 00:18:55,226 --> 00:18:56,360 COUNTRY AND THE WHOLE DEAL WITH 508 00:18:56,427 --> 00:18:59,794 THIS COUNTRY, THE REASON THAT TL 509 00:18:59,860 --> 00:19:05,060 WITH ALL OF ITS FLAWS, WE DEPARE 510 00:19:05,126 --> 00:19:06,260 CAN 511 00:19:06,327 --> 00:19:07,026 OVERCOME THAT. 512 00:19:07,093 --> 00:19:07,960 THERE'S SOMETHING BIGGER THAN 513 00:19:08,026 --> 00:19:09,660 LINEAGE OR KING OR THE POLITICAL 514 00:19:09,727 --> 00:19:11,193 TRIBE THAT YOU BELONG TO. 515 00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:12,393 I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN A 516 00:19:12,460 --> 00:19:14,827 VERY SCARY MOMENT IS A KIND OF 517 00:19:14,894 --> 00:19:16,226 RETURN TO THE MEAN OF HISTORY. 518 00:19:16,293 --> 00:19:17,927 I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO DEFEND 519 00:19:17,993 --> 00:19:20,126 THE IDEAS THAT HAVE MADE THIS 520 00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:22,060 COUNTRY UNIQUE AND A DEPARTURE 521 00:19:22,126 --> 00:19:22,827 FROM HISTORY. 522 00:19:22,894 --> 00:19:25,160 >> Bill: IT MAKES PEOPLE 523 00:19:25,226 --> 00:19:25,493 INAUTHENTIC. 524 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,927 FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT THIS IS 525 00:19:27,993 --> 00:19:29,560 JUST CELEBRITIES WHINING OR 526 00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:31,493 ELITES OR SOMETHING, THERE WAS A 527 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,126 SURVEY AND A 62% OF PEOPLE, 528 00:19:34,193 --> 00:19:37,493 PEOPLE, REGULAR PEOPLE WHO SAY 529 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,627 THEY ARE AFRAID TO SHARE WHAT 530 00:19:40,694 --> 00:19:41,093 THEY TRULY BELIEVE. 531 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,060 I USED TO CALL THEM AVATARS -- 532 00:19:43,126 --> 00:19:44,794 THERE'S YOUR REAL SELF WHO TALKS 533 00:19:44,860 --> 00:19:45,993 AROUND THE KITCHEN OR IN A BAR 534 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:46,993 WITH VERY CLOSE FRIENDS WITH 535 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:49,193 YOUR TRUST, AND THEN THERE'S 536 00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:50,627 THIS PUBLIC PERSON WHICH IS EVEN 537 00:19:50,694 --> 00:19:52,993 IF YOU HAVE 100 FOLLOWERS ON 538 00:19:53,060 --> 00:19:53,960 TWITTER OR WHATEVER AT THE 539 00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:59,260 OFFICE, SOMETIMES EVEN AT -- 540 00:19:59,327 --> 00:20:00,360 THEY MIGHT TATTLE ON YOU AT WORK 541 00:20:00,427 --> 00:20:02,694 IF YOU SAY A BAD JOKE OR 542 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:03,360 SOMETHING. 543 00:20:03,427 --> 00:20:04,860 PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WALKING AROUND 544 00:20:04,927 --> 00:20:05,860 ON EGGSHELLS. 545 00:20:05,927 --> 00:20:08,460 I WANT TO PUT SOME MEAT ON THIS, 546 00:20:08,527 --> 00:20:10,126 PART OF THIS IS EXACTLY FROM 547 00:20:10,193 --> 00:20:11,093 YOUR LETTER. 548 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,260 "EDITORS ARE FIRED FOR RUNNING 549 00:20:13,327 --> 00:20:13,727 CONTROVERSIAL PIECES, 550 00:20:13,794 --> 00:20:15,760 JOURNALISTS ARE BARRED FOR 551 00:20:15,827 --> 00:20:17,327 WRITING CERTAIN TOPICS, 552 00:20:17,393 --> 00:20:18,760 PROFESSORS ARE INVESTIGATED FOR 553 00:20:18,827 --> 00:20:21,260 QUOTING WORKS OF LITERATURE IN 554 00:20:21,327 --> 00:20:24,226 CLASS, A RESEARCHER IS FIRED FOR 555 00:20:24,293 --> 00:20:25,527 CIRCULATING A PEER-REVIEWED 556 00:20:25,593 --> 00:20:29,260 STUDY." 557 00:20:29,327 --> 00:20:30,694 WHEN THE SCIENCE HAS TO COME 558 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,860 SECOND TO THE POLITICAL 559 00:20:32,927 --> 00:20:34,226 CORRECTNESS, WE ARE IN TROUBLE, 560 00:20:34,293 --> 00:20:37,794 AND MY RIGHT? 561 00:20:37,860 --> 00:20:40,527 THIS IS MORE ABOUT JUST THE 562 00:20:40,593 --> 00:20:40,760 ELITES. 563 00:20:40,827 --> 00:20:42,727 >> ABSOLUTELY, THE CATO 564 00:20:42,794 --> 00:20:43,694 INSTITUTE STUDY THAT YOU CITE 565 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,560 STATES ALSO THAT MODERATES, 566 00:20:47,627 --> 00:20:48,393 LIBERALS, AND CONSERVATIVES ARE 567 00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:49,527 ALL AFRAID TO SAY WHAT THEY 568 00:20:49,593 --> 00:20:50,160 THINK. 569 00:20:50,226 --> 00:20:51,460 THE ONLY GROUP THAT SAYS THEY 570 00:20:51,527 --> 00:20:54,527 DON'T FEEL THIS FEAR IS STAUNCH 571 00:20:54,593 --> 00:20:55,293 PROGRESSIVES. 572 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:59,393 THAT'S MOST OF THE COUNTRY, 62% 573 00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:00,927 IS IDEOLOGICALLY DIVERSE 574 00:21:00,993 --> 00:21:01,393 ASSORTMENT OF PEOPLE. 575 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:03,727 THE REASON WHY THIS CRITIQUE 576 00:21:03,794 --> 00:21:07,060 THAT THIS LETTER WAS IN DEFENSE 577 00:21:07,126 --> 00:21:08,560 OF ELITES WHO DON'T LIKE TAKING 578 00:21:08,627 --> 00:21:09,160 CRITICISM ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE 579 00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:11,593 REASON WHY THAT DOESN'T RING 580 00:21:11,660 --> 00:21:14,126 TRUE IS BECAUSE OF SO MANY 581 00:21:14,193 --> 00:21:15,760 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EMAILING ALL OF 582 00:21:15,827 --> 00:21:17,360 US TO LET US KNOW THEY ARE 583 00:21:17,427 --> 00:21:19,360 EDITORIAL ASSISTANTS, ASSOCIATE 584 00:21:19,427 --> 00:21:20,694 PROFESSORS, PEOPLE IN LAW FIRMS 585 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,560 THAT DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE 586 00:21:21,627 --> 00:21:25,260 SAYING WHAT THEY ACTUALLY THINK. 587 00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:26,293 IT'S ACTUALLY AN ACT OF 588 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,894 GENEROSITY WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE 589 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,293 LIKE MALCOLM GLADWELL OR SOMEONE 590 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:30,894 LIKE J.K. ROWLING SENT A LETTER 591 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,193 LIKE THIS AND MAKE IT SO THESE 592 00:21:33,293 --> 00:21:34,427 PEOPLE FEEL LESS ALONE AND LET 593 00:21:34,493 --> 00:21:35,827 THEM KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME 594 00:21:35,894 --> 00:21:38,460 SUPPORT FOR THE VIEWS THAT THEY 595 00:21:38,527 --> 00:21:39,327 HAVE. 596 00:21:39,393 --> 00:21:40,860 CANCELLATION IS NOT ABOUT 597 00:21:40,927 --> 00:21:42,927 BRINGING DOWN ELITES BACK TO 598 00:21:42,993 --> 00:21:45,993 EARTH, IT ONLY TAKES A FEW CASES 599 00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:46,560 TO HAVE AN ENORMOUS ONLOOKER 600 00:21:46,627 --> 00:21:50,360 EFFECT THAT HAS A CHILLING AND 601 00:21:50,427 --> 00:21:52,327 STIFLING AND NARROWING INFLUENCE 602 00:21:52,393 --> 00:21:53,760 ON ALL OF OUR BEHAVIORS. 603 00:21:53,827 --> 00:21:54,960 THE ONLOOKER EFFECT IS WHAT WE 604 00:21:55,026 --> 00:21:56,360 ARE TAKING A STAND AGAINST. 605 00:21:56,427 --> 00:21:59,993 >> Bill: LET'S GO TO BARI'S 606 00:22:00,060 --> 00:22:01,293 LETTER, YOU RESIGNED FROM 607 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:01,760 "THE NEW YORK TIMES." 608 00:22:01,827 --> 00:22:03,593 IT WAS RED IN CONGRESS TODAY, 609 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:06,126 PART OF IT, BECAUSE THE FOUR 610 00:22:06,193 --> 00:22:08,160 HEADS OF THE BIG TECH COMPANIES 611 00:22:08,226 --> 00:22:08,760 WHO ARE TESTIFYING BEFORE 612 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:10,460 CONGRESS AND THE GYM JORDAN WHO 613 00:22:10,527 --> 00:22:13,560 I DON'T LIKE AT ALL, BUT THIS IS 614 00:22:13,627 --> 00:22:18,493 THE THING -- YOU MAKE THIS A 615 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,126 CONSERVATIVE ISSUE IN ITS GOOD 616 00:22:21,193 --> 00:22:22,727 FOR CONSERVATIVES, HE QUOTED 617 00:22:22,794 --> 00:22:23,760 FROM YOUR LETTER "EVERYONE LIVES 618 00:22:23,827 --> 00:22:26,660 IN FEAR OF THE DIGITAL 619 00:22:26,727 --> 00:22:28,993 THUNDERDOME, ONLINE VENOM IS 620 00:22:29,060 --> 00:22:30,727 EXCUSED AS LONG AS IT'S DIRECTED 621 00:22:30,794 --> 00:22:36,927 AT THE PROPER TARGETS." 622 00:22:37,026 --> 00:22:38,360 ZUCKERBERG AGREED, JEFF BEZOS 623 00:22:38,427 --> 00:22:39,794 SAID THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS A 624 00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:41,160 NUANCED DESTROYING MACHINE. 625 00:22:41,226 --> 00:22:42,293 I AGREE, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN 626 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,927 THAT WORLD. 627 00:22:45,993 --> 00:22:47,126 BARI, YOU ALSO SAID TWITTER IS 628 00:22:47,193 --> 00:22:48,760 NOT ON THE MASTHEAD OF 629 00:22:48,827 --> 00:22:49,627 "THE NEW YORK TIMES" BUT TWITTER 630 00:22:49,694 --> 00:22:50,627 HAS BECOME ITS ULTIMATE EDITOR, 631 00:22:50,694 --> 00:22:54,327 WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? 632 00:22:54,393 --> 00:22:56,460 >> I'M GRATIFIED THAT THE HEADS 633 00:22:56,527 --> 00:22:57,026 OF THOSE BIG TECH COMPANIES 634 00:22:57,093 --> 00:22:59,993 AGREE WITH ME, BUT I THINK THEY 635 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:02,360 NEED TO LOOK INSIDE THEIR OWN 636 00:23:02,427 --> 00:23:03,327 HOUSES. 637 00:23:03,393 --> 00:23:05,126 THE FACT IS THAT THE REASON THAT 638 00:23:05,193 --> 00:23:07,593 "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND ALL OF 639 00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:08,393 THESE OTHER NEWSPAPERS AROUND 640 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:10,894 THE WORLD HAVE BEEN DECIMATED IS 641 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,193 BECAUSE OF THE PRODUCTS THAT 642 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:14,093 THEY SIT ON TOP OF. 643 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,126 THE REASON THAT TWITTER IS THE 644 00:23:17,193 --> 00:23:18,760 ASSIGNING EDITOR OF 645 00:23:18,827 --> 00:23:19,527 "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS BECAUSE 646 00:23:19,593 --> 00:23:21,493 THE PRINTING PRESS ISN'T THE 647 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:21,993 PRINTING PRESS ANYMORE. 648 00:23:22,060 --> 00:23:25,060 IT'S BECAUSE THE DASH THE 649 00:23:25,126 --> 00:23:27,393 PRINTING PRESSES AND EACH ONE OF 650 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:28,260 OUR POCKETS. 651 00:23:28,327 --> 00:23:28,894 THESE TECHNOLOGIES HAVE SEVERED 652 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,760 OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE 653 00:23:32,827 --> 00:23:33,360 EDITORS IN THE NEWSPAPERS WE 654 00:23:33,427 --> 00:23:35,694 USED TO RELY ON. 655 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,093 WHAT I MEANT IN THAT LETTER WHEN 656 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,260 I WROTE THAT TWITTER IS THE 657 00:23:39,327 --> 00:23:40,927 ASSIGNING EDITOR, WHAT I MEAN BY 658 00:23:40,993 --> 00:23:44,126 THAT IS IN ORDER TO DO OUR JOB 659 00:23:44,193 --> 00:23:45,226 WELL, WRITERS AND EDITORS NEED 660 00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:46,660 TO HAVE A LEVEL OF BRAVERY AND 661 00:23:46,727 --> 00:23:49,427 THICK SKIN AND FEARLESSNESS. 662 00:23:49,493 --> 00:23:50,727 AND WHEN YOU ARE LIVING IN FEAR 663 00:23:50,794 --> 00:23:54,760 OF AN ONLINE MOM, ALL IT TAKES 664 00:23:54,827 --> 00:23:56,193 IS A DOZEN PEOPLE TO REPEAT A 665 00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:58,060 LIE ABOUT YOU THAT YOU'RE 666 00:23:58,126 --> 00:23:59,160 RACIST, YOUR TRANSFER OF IT, 667 00:23:59,226 --> 00:24:01,226 YOU'RE A BIGOT FOR THAT LIGHT TO 668 00:24:01,293 --> 00:24:03,627 BECOME TRUE AND THAT'S EXTREMELY 669 00:24:03,694 --> 00:24:04,393 DANGEROUS. 670 00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:05,660 THE THING THAT INSULATES IT IS 671 00:24:05,727 --> 00:24:06,927 WHEN YOU HAVE LEADERS OF THE TOP 672 00:24:06,993 --> 00:24:08,627 TO SAY "WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT 673 00:24:08,694 --> 00:24:10,393 OUTSIDE VOICE, WE ARE GOING TO 674 00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:11,560 STAND BY YOU AND THE TRUTH THAT 675 00:24:11,627 --> 00:24:13,460 YOU ARE PURSUING THE MATTER 676 00:24:13,527 --> 00:24:14,760 WHAT." 677 00:24:14,827 --> 00:24:16,193 THE PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED AT THE 678 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:17,660 TIMES AND IT'S REFERENCED IN THE 679 00:24:17,727 --> 00:24:19,593 LETTER, THE HARPER'S LETTER THAT 680 00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:22,660 THOMAS HELPED SHAPE, IS THAT MY 681 00:24:22,727 --> 00:24:23,593 BOSS GOT FIRED FOR RUNNING AN OP 682 00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:27,593 ED BY A SITTING U.S. SENATOR. 683 00:24:27,660 --> 00:24:28,993 YOU MIGHT SAY THAT TOM COTTON IS 684 00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:29,860 DETESTABLE AND YOU DISAGREE WITH 685 00:24:29,927 --> 00:24:31,760 HIM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN 686 00:24:31,827 --> 00:24:32,393 A WORLD WHERE THE VIEWS OF HALF 687 00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:35,760 OF THE COUNTRY CAN'T BE HEARD IN 688 00:24:35,827 --> 00:24:36,894 THE PAPER OF RECORD. 689 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,093 THAT'S WHERE I FEAR THAT WE ARE 690 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,293 HEADED. 691 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,026 >> Bill: RIGHT. 692 00:24:42,093 --> 00:24:43,460 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO 693 00:24:43,527 --> 00:24:46,193 SUE BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WAS 694 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:48,160 TALKED ABOUT. 695 00:24:48,226 --> 00:24:50,593 YOU SAID IT WAS AN UNLAWFUL 696 00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:51,160 DISCRIMINATION AND A HOSTILE 697 00:24:51,226 --> 00:24:54,427 WORKPLACE ENVIRONMENT. 698 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:55,860 LET ME ASK THIS ABOUT THE LINK 699 00:24:55,927 --> 00:25:00,794 BETWEEN THIS ISSUE OF CANCELING 700 00:25:00,860 --> 00:25:01,860 AND RACE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE 701 00:25:01,927 --> 00:25:04,193 THAT IS THE ULTIMATE ISSUE WITH 702 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:06,427 THE CANCELLATION CULTURE. 703 00:25:06,493 --> 00:25:08,894 IF YOU'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF 704 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,827 WHAT THAT IS NOW. 705 00:25:09,894 --> 00:25:10,727 AND OF COURSE SIR THOMAS, THIS 706 00:25:10,794 --> 00:25:15,226 IS ONE OF YOUR BIG THEMES AND 707 00:25:15,293 --> 00:25:16,593 IT'S A THEME THAT GOES BACK TO 708 00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:19,493 THE 19TH CENTURY IN AMERICAN 709 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,427 HISTORY: SHOULD WE INTEGRATE, 710 00:25:20,493 --> 00:25:22,427 SHOOT OR BECOME A PEOPLE WHO 711 00:25:22,493 --> 00:25:25,093 DON'T SEE RACE AT ALL, OR AS THE 712 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,627 CURRENT VOGUE SEEMS TO BE 713 00:25:25,694 --> 00:25:29,660 GATHERING, SHOULD WE BE A PEOPLE 714 00:25:29,727 --> 00:25:30,427 WHO SEE IT EVERYWHERE? 715 00:25:30,493 --> 00:25:31,493 WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US YOUR MAJOR 716 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,794 THEME ON THAT. 717 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:37,293 >> SURE, ONE DEFINITION OF 718 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:38,627 INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING 719 00:25:38,694 --> 00:25:40,593 OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND 720 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:41,794 EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT. 721 00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:43,894 WE HAVE A LONG AND TORTURED 722 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,860 HISTORY OF BELIEVING IN WHAT 723 00:25:45,927 --> 00:25:49,894 BIOLOGICALLY IS NOT REAL, RACIAL 724 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,293 DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GROUPS OF 725 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:53,260 PEOPLE. 726 00:25:53,327 --> 00:25:56,193 BY LEANING INTO THIS FICTION AND 727 00:25:56,260 --> 00:25:58,327 REINVESTING IN THE RACIAL IDEA 728 00:25:58,393 --> 00:26:01,293 AS A WAY OF MAKING A HEALTHIER 729 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:02,260 SOCIETY, THAT TEAMS TOTALLY 730 00:26:02,327 --> 00:26:04,060 WRONGHEADED TO ME. 731 00:26:04,126 --> 00:26:05,694 THE TWO VOICES THAT DOMINATE THE 732 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,993 CONVERSATION ON RACE RIGHT NOW 733 00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:09,593 IN AMERICA ARE ROBIN D'ANGELO 734 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:19,026 AND EVA M ABRAM KENNEDY, BOTH OM 735 00:26:19,093 --> 00:26:20,327 ARE UNCOMPROMISING IN THEIR 736 00:26:20,393 --> 00:26:22,527 IDEAS OF RACIAL DIFFERENCE. 737 00:26:22,593 --> 00:26:23,727 THEY BOTH INSISTED THAT 738 00:26:23,794 --> 00:26:25,327 CATEGORIZATION IS THE ONLY THING 739 00:26:25,393 --> 00:26:26,126 THAT'S REAL AND CANNOT BE 740 00:26:26,193 --> 00:26:26,427 TRANSCENDED. 741 00:26:26,493 --> 00:26:29,660 THAT MEANS WHITE INDIVIDUALS ARE 742 00:26:29,727 --> 00:26:33,927 IRREDEEMABLY PART OF AN 743 00:26:33,993 --> 00:26:35,427 OPPRESSIVE AND PRIVILEGED GROUP 744 00:26:35,493 --> 00:26:35,960 AND BLACK INDIVIDUALS ARE 745 00:26:36,026 --> 00:26:40,894 INESCAPABLY MEMBERS OF A GROUP 746 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,327 UPON WHOM WHITE PEOPLE ACT 747 00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:44,560 EITHER FOR GOOD OR FOR ILL BUT 748 00:26:44,627 --> 00:26:46,026 BLACKS ARE NOT AGENTS IN THIS 749 00:26:46,093 --> 00:26:47,460 AND ASIANS AND SO MANY OTHER 750 00:26:47,527 --> 00:26:49,126 PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEATLY SLOTTED 751 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,860 TO THIS RACIAL BINARY, WE DON'T 752 00:26:49,927 --> 00:26:54,493 KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THEM. 753 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,527 FOR D'ANGELO, THERE'S A CIRCULAR 754 00:26:56,593 --> 00:26:58,093 LOGIC THAT IS DEVASTATING. 755 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,293 IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE 756 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,593 INHERENTLY RACIST, EIGHT TO DENY 757 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,060 THAT THIS TO PROVE YOUR RACISM 758 00:27:02,126 --> 00:27:04,293 AND TO ADMIT THAT JUST TO PROVE 759 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:05,327 YOUR RACISM. 760 00:27:05,393 --> 00:27:06,894 FOR KENNEDY, EVERY SINGLE ASPECT 761 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,293 OF OUR LIVED IN REALITY, EVERY 762 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,327 IDEA, ACTION, POLICY IS EITHER 763 00:27:12,393 --> 00:27:13,660 RACIST OR ANTIRACIST WITH NO 764 00:27:13,727 --> 00:27:15,427 GRAY IN BETWEEN. 765 00:27:15,493 --> 00:27:17,694 WHAT OTHER ASPECT OF OUR LIVED 766 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,760 AND SHARED REALITY IS SO NEATLY 767 00:27:19,827 --> 00:27:20,593 BIFURCATED AND OVERSIMPLIFIED IS 768 00:27:20,660 --> 00:27:20,794 THAT? 769 00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:24,226 WE DON'T ACCEPT FOR GOOD REASON 770 00:27:24,293 --> 00:27:26,593 THAT EVEN SEXUAL DIFFERENCE IS 771 00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:30,860 SO EITHER OR BUT WE ARE 772 00:27:30,927 --> 00:27:32,894 ACCEPTING NOW IN OUR 773 00:27:32,993 --> 00:27:34,593 UNDERSTANDING OF RACE AND 774 00:27:34,627 --> 00:27:35,760 RACISM. 775 00:27:35,827 --> 00:27:36,760 >> IT'S AN UNBELIEVABLY 776 00:27:36,827 --> 00:27:39,927 FLATTENING CATEGORY. 777 00:27:39,993 --> 00:27:40,527 THE PERSON WHOSE GRANDPARENTS 778 00:27:40,593 --> 00:27:44,293 CRAWLED OUT OF THE DEATH CAMPS 779 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,560 OF EUROPE, DO THEY HAVE THE SAME 780 00:27:46,627 --> 00:27:48,560 LIVED EXPERIENCE AS A PERSON 781 00:27:48,627 --> 00:27:51,193 WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME TO THIS 782 00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:52,226 COUNTRY ON THE MAYFLOWER? 783 00:27:52,293 --> 00:27:54,560 AS A NIGERIAN IMMIGRANTS TO 784 00:27:54,627 --> 00:27:56,327 AMERICA, DIFFERENT FROM A 785 00:27:56,393 --> 00:27:57,960 PERSON, THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCE, 786 00:27:58,026 --> 00:27:59,593 THEN A PERSON WHOSE FATHER GREW 787 00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:00,960 UP IN THE JIM CROW SOUTH? 788 00:28:01,026 --> 00:28:02,193 THAT'S RIDICULOUS ON ITS FACE 789 00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:03,260 EVEN IF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THE 790 00:28:03,327 --> 00:28:05,060 SAME AMOUNT OF MELANIN IN THEIR 791 00:28:05,126 --> 00:28:05,260 SKIN. 792 00:28:05,327 --> 00:28:06,593 >> Bill: RIGHT. 793 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:10,960 I FIND THAT EVERYONE IS ALWAYS 794 00:28:11,026 --> 00:28:13,193 HAVING ON THE FAR LIBERAL LEFT A 795 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:16,560 CONTEST ABOUT WHO IS BETTER ON 796 00:28:16,627 --> 00:28:16,860 THIS ISSUE. 797 00:28:16,927 --> 00:28:17,460 SOMEBODY WAS SAYING TO ME THE 798 00:28:17,527 --> 00:28:20,293 OTHER DAY ABOUT -- THERE'S NEVER 799 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:21,160 BEEN A BLACK WOMAN GOVERNOR. 800 00:28:21,226 --> 00:28:25,993 AND I WAS LIKE YEAH, THAT'S BAD. 801 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:27,427 THAT'S TERRIBLE, WE SHOULD ELECT 802 00:28:27,493 --> 00:28:27,794 ONE OR MORE. 803 00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:32,760 AND THEN IT BECAME A CONTEST OF 804 00:28:32,827 --> 00:28:33,760 WHO HATES THAT MORE? 805 00:28:33,827 --> 00:28:37,794 WHO GETS MORE PEST OFF ABOUT 806 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:38,393 THAT? 807 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:39,993 AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING TO 808 00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:40,894 MOVE US FORWARD. 809 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,827 I FEEL LIKE THE VIEW OF OBAMA 810 00:28:43,894 --> 00:28:45,060 AND MARTIN LUTHER KING IS BEING 811 00:28:45,126 --> 00:28:45,260 LOST. 812 00:28:45,327 --> 00:28:49,560 DO YOU FEEL WAY? 813 00:28:49,627 --> 00:28:51,627 >> YES, WE ARE IN DANGER OF 814 00:28:51,694 --> 00:28:54,026 REALLY REINVESTING IN THE IDEA 815 00:28:54,093 --> 00:28:59,293 THAT RACE IS REAL AND IT CANNOT 816 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,627 BE ESCAPED, IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL 817 00:29:00,694 --> 00:29:02,360 CATEGORY THAT DEFINES US, THAT 818 00:29:02,427 --> 00:29:02,927 WHITE PEOPLE ARE ESSENTIALLY 819 00:29:02,993 --> 00:29:05,794 DIFFERENT FROM BLACK PEOPLE. 820 00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:07,960 WE ARE IN DANGER OF MAKING 821 00:29:08,026 --> 00:29:09,060 PEOPLE LIVING TODAY, WE ARE 822 00:29:09,126 --> 00:29:10,393 CREATING A WORLD WHERE EVERYBODY 823 00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:12,560 ALIVE TODAY IS A REPRESENTATIVE 824 00:29:12,627 --> 00:29:15,160 OF THE THOUGHTS, MISDEEDS, AND 825 00:29:15,226 --> 00:29:15,960 CIRCUMSTANCES OF THEIR ANCESTORS 826 00:29:16,026 --> 00:29:16,560 AND THAT'S NOT A WORLD THAT I 827 00:29:16,627 --> 00:29:20,026 WANT TO CREATE. 828 00:29:20,093 --> 00:29:22,627 >> I WANT TO CONNECT WHAT THOMAS 829 00:29:22,694 --> 00:29:25,060 JUST SAID, THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE 830 00:29:25,126 --> 00:29:26,293 ARE GUILTY BECAUSE OF THE SINS 831 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,393 OF THEIR ANCESTORS, THERE'S A 832 00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:31,060 REALLY RELEVANT CASE THAT 833 00:29:31,126 --> 00:29:32,026 CONNECTS TO CANCEL CULTURE WHICH 834 00:29:32,093 --> 00:29:34,427 IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 835 00:29:34,493 --> 00:29:35,960 BEFORE. 836 00:29:36,026 --> 00:29:37,393 THE LETTER WAS SIGNED BY 837 00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:38,860 LUMINARIES BUT THERE ARE A LOT 838 00:29:38,927 --> 00:29:40,460 OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO 839 00:29:40,527 --> 00:29:41,660 ARE FEELING THE STING AND THE 840 00:29:41,727 --> 00:29:43,727 ADMIN'S A RATION OF CANCEL 841 00:29:43,794 --> 00:29:44,827 CULTURE WHO AREN'T FAMOUS. 842 00:29:44,894 --> 00:29:48,427 I SPOKE TO ONE OF THEM LAST 843 00:29:48,493 --> 00:29:49,627 NIGHT, HE'S A PALESTINIAN 844 00:29:49,694 --> 00:29:50,126 REFUGEE WHO BUILT AN 845 00:29:50,193 --> 00:29:52,794 UNBELIEVABLY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS 846 00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,593 CALLED HOLY LAND IN MINNEAPOLIS. 847 00:29:55,660 --> 00:30:00,627 HE HAS 200 EMPLOYEES, SOMEONE 848 00:30:00,694 --> 00:30:01,727 DISCOVERED THE TWEETS OF HIS 849 00:30:01,794 --> 00:30:03,460 DAUGHTER THAT SHE WROTE WHEN SHE 850 00:30:03,527 --> 00:30:04,827 WAS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 14 AND 851 00:30:04,894 --> 00:30:07,060 16 YEARS OLD. 852 00:30:07,126 --> 00:30:07,827 IMMEDIATELY WHEN THOSE TWEETS 853 00:30:07,894 --> 00:30:09,860 WERE DISCOVERED, THEY WERE 854 00:30:09,927 --> 00:30:11,660 HORRIBLE TWEETS, RACIST, 855 00:30:11,727 --> 00:30:13,427 ANTI-SEMITIC -- ALL OF HIS 856 00:30:13,493 --> 00:30:14,627 ACCOUNTS WERE CANCELED FROM 857 00:30:14,694 --> 00:30:19,393 PLACES LIKE COSTCO AND SAM'S, 858 00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:21,060 THE LEASE OWNER OF HIS BAKERIES 859 00:30:21,126 --> 00:30:22,360 KICKING HIM OUT OF THE BUILDING 860 00:30:22,427 --> 00:30:24,493 AND HE'S SCARED HE'S GOING TO GO 861 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,894 BANKRUPT, HE FIRED HIS DAUGHTER, 862 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,760 HE APOLOGIZED, HE AGREED TO HAVE 863 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,093 ANTIRACISM TRAINING, NONE OF IT 864 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,794 WAS ENOUGH. 865 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:32,226 HE SAID TO ME I'VE LIVED THE 866 00:30:32,293 --> 00:30:34,093 AMERICAN DREAM BUT IS THIS 867 00:30:34,193 --> 00:30:34,560 AMERICA? 868 00:30:34,627 --> 00:30:36,794 IS IT AMERICA TO HOLD A BUSINESS 869 00:30:36,860 --> 00:30:39,026 OWNER LIABLE FOR THE SINS OF 870 00:30:39,093 --> 00:30:41,427 THEIR CHILD WHEN THEY WERE A 871 00:30:41,493 --> 00:30:43,060 TEENAGER? 872 00:30:43,126 --> 00:30:44,493 THAT SEEMS DEEPLY UN-AMERICAN 873 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:44,827 FOR ME. 874 00:30:44,894 --> 00:30:46,093 >> Bill: THAT'S AN EXTREME 875 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,560 EXAMPLE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF 876 00:30:47,627 --> 00:30:49,093 EXTREME EXAMPLES AND EXAMPLES 877 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,527 THAT AREN'T EXTREME, AND ALSO 878 00:30:50,593 --> 00:30:51,927 MAKES ME WANT TO GO WHO ARE 879 00:30:51,993 --> 00:30:53,026 THESE PERFECT PEOPLE OUT THERE 880 00:30:53,093 --> 00:30:54,993 IN THE WORLD TODAY WHO HAVE 881 00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:57,126 NEVER MADE ANY MISTAKE OF ANY 882 00:30:57,193 --> 00:30:57,627 KIND? 883 00:30:57,694 --> 00:30:58,694 DON'T THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO 884 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:04,627 COME BACK AND BITE THEM IN THE 885 00:31:04,694 --> 00:31:04,927 ASS? 886 00:31:04,993 --> 00:31:06,293 >> THERE'S AN ARGUMENT FOR SELF 887 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,694 INTEREST THAT SHOULD BE 888 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,894 PROMINENT IN THE DEBATE ABOUT 889 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,794 CANCELLATION, TO PARAPHRASE 890 00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:12,360 CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS -- WHEN YOU 891 00:31:12,427 --> 00:31:13,560 VIOLATE SOMEONE'S FREE SPEECH OR 892 00:31:13,627 --> 00:31:15,327 YOU PROPOSE TO VIOLATE THEIR 893 00:31:15,393 --> 00:31:18,760 FREE SPEECH, YOU ARE IN EFFECT 894 00:31:18,827 --> 00:31:20,727 MAKING A ROD FOR YOUR OWN BACK, 895 00:31:20,794 --> 00:31:21,727 THE ROD OF YOUR LIBERALISM CAN 896 00:31:21,794 --> 00:31:23,393 BE PICKED UP AND USED BY ANYONE 897 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:25,327 AND WE ALL SEEM TO THINK IT'S 898 00:31:25,393 --> 00:31:26,093 JUST OUR SIDE THAT ALWAYS GETS 899 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,694 IT BUT OF COURSE THAT'S NOT TRUE 900 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:30,993 TRUE. 901 00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:34,327 >> IT'S LIKE ROBESPIERRE 902 00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:35,093 COULDN'T ESCAPE THE GUILLOTINE, 903 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,694 WE SHOULD LEARN A LESSON FOR 904 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,260 THAT. 905 00:31:38,327 --> 00:31:38,894 CANCEL CULTURE CAN COME FOR ANY 906 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,260 OF US. 907 00:31:43,327 --> 00:31:45,560 >> IN THIS WEEK WHEN WE THINK 908 00:31:45,627 --> 00:31:46,660 ABOUT AN EXTRAORDINARY LIFE LIKE 909 00:31:46,727 --> 00:31:48,327 JOHN LEWIS, I WANT TO MAKE THE 910 00:31:48,393 --> 00:31:52,160 POINT THAT HIS WAS A VIEW, A 911 00:31:52,226 --> 00:31:53,260 POINT OF VIEW THAT WAS DIVERGENT 912 00:31:53,327 --> 00:31:54,860 FROM THE CONSENSUS AT THE TIME 913 00:31:54,927 --> 00:31:55,727 HE WAS ALIVE. 914 00:31:55,794 --> 00:31:57,360 THINGS LOOK SO CLEAR TO US NOW, 915 00:31:57,427 --> 00:32:00,860 BUT BACK THEN AT THE TIME, HE 916 00:32:00,927 --> 00:32:02,160 WAS DEFYING CONSENSUS. 917 00:32:02,226 --> 00:32:04,293 MINORITIES AND THE POWERLESS AND 918 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,160 THE OPPRESSED DO THE BEST IN 919 00:32:08,226 --> 00:32:09,293 SOCIETIES AND SPACES THAT ARE 920 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,960 MAXIMALLY OPEN AND MAXIMALLY 921 00:32:13,026 --> 00:32:13,760 TOLERANT OF DIVERGENT AND EVEN 922 00:32:13,827 --> 00:32:14,760 HERETICAL POINTS OF VIEW, WE 923 00:32:14,827 --> 00:32:16,327 NEED TO HAVE ALL THE POINTS OF 924 00:32:16,393 --> 00:32:17,560 VIEW THAT WE CAN HAVE BECAUSE WE 925 00:32:17,627 --> 00:32:18,360 DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS 926 00:32:18,427 --> 00:32:21,927 GOING TO SHAKE OUT TO BE 20, 50 927 00:32:21,993 --> 00:32:23,560 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. 928 00:32:23,627 --> 00:32:24,527 WE NEED TO CHALLENGE OUR 929 00:32:24,593 --> 00:32:25,293 CONSENSUS VIEWS AND WHEN WE 930 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,927 THINK ABOUT JOHN LEWIS, WE 931 00:32:26,993 --> 00:32:28,593 SHOULD THINK ABOUT -- THAT WAS A 932 00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:29,360 GUY WHO SAW SOMETHING WRONG AND 933 00:32:29,427 --> 00:32:31,860 HE STOOD AND SPOKE UP FOR IT AND 934 00:32:31,927 --> 00:32:34,927 HE DIDN'T JUST ADHERE TO THE 935 00:32:34,993 --> 00:32:37,460 PREVAILING CONSENSUS AT THE TIME 936 00:32:37,527 --> 00:32:38,894 TIME. 937 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,493 >> I WAS GOING TO ADD THAT HE 938 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,894 DID IT AT UNBELIEVABLE PERSONAL 939 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,360 COST. 940 00:32:44,427 --> 00:32:46,527 WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THE 941 00:32:46,593 --> 00:32:48,260 CULTURAL PROBLEMS WE FACE AND 942 00:32:48,327 --> 00:32:49,694 BILL, YOU REFERENCED THIS 943 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,393 BEFORE -- PEOPLE HAVE AVATARS, 944 00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:52,460 THEY HAVE A PUBLIC PERSONA AND 945 00:32:52,527 --> 00:32:54,226 PRIVATE PERSONA AND TOO MANY 946 00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:55,960 PEOPLE RIGHT NOW DO NOT WANT TO 947 00:32:56,026 --> 00:32:57,727 SPEAK UP BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID 948 00:32:57,794 --> 00:32:59,026 OF THE CONSEQUENCES AND THE 949 00:32:59,093 --> 00:32:59,794 RAMIFICATIONS. 950 00:32:59,860 --> 00:33:01,260 THE ONLY WAY TO STOP IS IF 951 00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:03,927 PEOPLE START TO SPEAK UP. 952 00:33:03,993 --> 00:33:05,593 >> Bill: THAT'S A GREAT 953 00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:06,293 QUESTION. 954 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,527 IF MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THIS, 955 00:33:07,593 --> 00:33:09,293 AND THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF 956 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360 SURVEYS ABOUT THIS, SOMETHING 957 00:33:11,460 --> 00:33:12,260 LIKE 80% INCLUDING MOST 958 00:33:12,327 --> 00:33:14,527 LIBERALS -- DO NOT LIKE THIS 959 00:33:14,593 --> 00:33:14,993 ATMOSPHERE. 960 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:15,560 WHY DOES IT RETAIN THE POWER 961 00:33:15,627 --> 00:33:18,727 THAT IT HAS? 962 00:33:18,794 --> 00:33:20,593 WHO HAS THIS POWER AND HOW CAN 963 00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:22,093 THEY EXERT IT SO FULLY? 964 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,527 IS IT JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE 965 00:33:24,593 --> 00:33:25,927 TOO AFRAID WHEN SOMEONE STICKS A 966 00:33:25,993 --> 00:33:26,460 MICROPHONE IN YOUR FACE? 967 00:33:26,527 --> 00:33:28,627 I THINK THIS IS WHAT IT IS A LOT 968 00:33:28,694 --> 00:33:31,627 AND THEY SAY "THIS PERSON SAID 969 00:33:31,694 --> 00:33:31,827 THIS." 970 00:33:31,894 --> 00:33:34,126 IF YOU REALLY THINK, A REAL 971 00:33:34,193 --> 00:33:35,427 PERSON THINKS THAT WASN'T SO 972 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:36,093 BAD. 973 00:33:36,193 --> 00:33:38,193 IT JUST IS MUCH SAFER TO GO YES, 974 00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:39,627 WHAT A TERRIBLE THING THEY SAID, 975 00:33:39,694 --> 00:33:41,160 NOW I'M ON THE SAFE SIDE OF THE 976 00:33:41,226 --> 00:33:41,960 DEBATE AND THE TWITTER MOB 977 00:33:42,026 --> 00:33:43,760 DOESN'T COME AFTER ME. 978 00:33:43,827 --> 00:33:45,694 HOW DO YOU GET BACK UP A TWITTER 979 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:45,860 MOB? 980 00:33:45,927 --> 00:33:48,627 HOW DO YOU TAKE DOWN THE MEAN 981 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:49,026 GIRLS? 982 00:33:49,093 --> 00:33:51,960 >> DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? 983 00:33:52,026 --> 00:33:54,427 >> I THINK WE'RE IN UNCHARTED 984 00:33:54,493 --> 00:33:55,827 TERRITORY, WE CAN'T HAVE A 985 00:33:55,894 --> 00:33:57,360 CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS NEW 986 00:33:57,427 --> 00:33:59,226 AND DIFFERENT AND WHY PEOPLE ARE 987 00:33:59,293 --> 00:34:00,894 SO TIMID NOW WITHOUT TALKING 988 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,393 ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND THE FACT 989 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:03,260 THAT PEOPLE AREN'T REALLY 990 00:34:03,327 --> 00:34:05,760 ACCUSTOMED TO OR BUILT FOR, 991 00:34:05,827 --> 00:34:07,760 OTHER THAN SOME CELEBRITIES, 992 00:34:07,827 --> 00:34:11,026 AREN'T REALLY BUILT FOR 100, A 993 00:34:11,093 --> 00:34:12,527 THOUSAND, A MILLION OR MORE 994 00:34:12,593 --> 00:34:15,593 PEOPLE CRITICIZING YOU FOR 995 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:16,827 CALLING YOUR NAMES ARE COMING AT 996 00:34:16,894 --> 00:34:19,794 YOUR JOB ALL AT ONCE. 997 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:21,560 WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG ENOUGH 998 00:34:21,627 --> 00:34:22,527 QUANTITATIVE CHANGE, IT MAKES A 999 00:34:22,593 --> 00:34:25,827 QUALITATIVE CHANGE. 1000 00:34:25,894 --> 00:34:28,794 WE ARE IN NEW TERRITORY, THE 1001 00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:29,993 ONLOOKER EFFECT CAN'T BE 1002 00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:30,427 OVERESTIMATED. 1003 00:34:30,493 --> 00:34:31,827 PEOPLE SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO 1004 00:34:31,894 --> 00:34:35,993 SOMEBODY LIKE JUSTINE SACCO, 1005 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:37,627 SOMEBODY WHO CAN SURVIVE IT LIKE 1006 00:34:37,694 --> 00:34:38,860 KEVIN HART OR J.K. ROWLING, THEY 1007 00:34:38,927 --> 00:34:40,026 DON'T WANT TO COME ANYWHERE 1008 00:34:40,093 --> 00:34:41,560 CLOSE TO THAT AND THEY ALL KEEP 1009 00:34:41,627 --> 00:34:42,193 THEIR HEADS THAT MUCH LOWER AND 1010 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:48,993 WE ADJUST OUR VIEWS TO NOT STICK 1011 00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:51,393 OUT AND NOT RUFFLE ANY FEATHERS. 1012 00:34:51,460 --> 00:34:52,794 THAT HAS A DEVASTATING EFFECT ON 1013 00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:55,493 THE FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS AND 1014 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,794 IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T 1015 00:34:56,860 --> 00:34:58,860 TACKLED YET, WE ARE 1016 00:34:58,927 --> 00:34:59,860 PARTICIPATING IN A MASS 1017 00:34:59,927 --> 00:35:00,493 PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPERIMENT AND WE 1018 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,393 DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE HEADED 1019 00:35:01,460 --> 00:35:03,794 WITH IT. 1020 00:35:03,860 --> 00:35:07,894 >> I THINK ONE VERY OBVIOUS WAY 1021 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,660 THIS STOPS, IT'S ONE THING FOR 1022 00:35:10,727 --> 00:35:12,460 INDIVIDUALS TO STAND UP. 1023 00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:13,593 IT'S ANOTHER THING FOR COMPANIES 1024 00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:16,060 AND CORPORATIONS TO STAND UP. 1025 00:35:16,126 --> 00:35:16,993 TRADER JOE'S, I RECOMMEND 1026 00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:18,527 EVERYONE GOES AND FINDS IT, PUT 1027 00:35:18,593 --> 00:35:19,627 OUT AN AMAZING STATEMENT. 1028 00:35:19,694 --> 00:35:20,760 THEY WERE CRITICIZED BECAUSE 1029 00:35:20,827 --> 00:35:23,260 THEY HAD DIFFERENT ETHNIC NAMES 1030 00:35:23,327 --> 00:35:25,160 ON VARIOUS FOOD, IT'S KITSCHY 1031 00:35:25,226 --> 00:35:27,126 AND FUN. 1032 00:35:27,193 --> 00:35:28,660 TRADER JOSE. 1033 00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:30,327 AND THERE WERE CRITICIZED BY A 1034 00:35:30,393 --> 00:35:31,493 VERY STRONG ONLINE BOYCOTT THAT 1035 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,260 SAID THIS IS RACISM AND THEY 1036 00:35:32,327 --> 00:35:35,427 SAID NO IT'S NOT, IT'S FUN, OUR 1037 00:35:35,493 --> 00:35:37,193 CUSTOMERS ENJOY IT, WE ENJOY IT, 1038 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:42,093 SORRY, WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT. 1039 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,193 THAT THING RIGHT NOW IS A 1040 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:44,927 PROFILE IN COURAGE WHICH SAYS 1041 00:35:44,993 --> 00:35:47,293 SOMETHING ABOUT OUR MOMENT. 1042 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,293 >> Bill: THAT'S WHAT WE NEED 1043 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,393 MORE OF, BEING ABLE TO SPEAK 1044 00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:54,760 FREELY -- THIS IS AN ISSUE BUT 1045 00:35:54,827 --> 00:35:56,694 IN THE AGE OF TRUMP, IT'S A 1046 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,093 SMALL -- IS NOT A SMALL THING. 1047 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,660 BEING ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY IS 1048 00:36:01,727 --> 00:36:03,060 THE LIFEBLOOD, NOT ONLY OF 1049 00:36:03,126 --> 00:36:05,093 DEMOCRACY BUT OUR VERY WAY OF 1050 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,527 LIFE. 1051 00:36:06,593 --> 00:36:07,560 TRADER JOE'S, THEY'VE GOT TO DO 1052 00:36:07,627 --> 00:36:08,694 SOMETHING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT 1053 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,393 BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT'S A 1054 00:36:10,460 --> 00:36:11,126 GOOD THING. 1055 00:36:11,193 --> 00:36:13,727 I GOT TO GO, YOU WERE GREAT, 1056 00:36:13,794 --> 00:36:15,927 THANK YOU FOR COMING ON AND KEEP 1057 00:36:15,993 --> 00:36:18,894 AT IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP AT 1058 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:19,627 IT, THANK YOU GUYS. 1059 00:36:19,694 --> 00:36:22,827 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, BILL. 1060 00:36:22,894 --> 00:36:24,694 >> Bill: IN A WEEK OF BAD 1061 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,460 NEWS, I GUESS THE MOST CHILLING 1062 00:36:26,527 --> 00:36:28,093 CAME FROM TRUMP HIMSELF, HE 1063 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,093 TWEETED THAT HE WAS THINKING 1064 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,960 ABOUT DELAYING THE ELECTION. 1065 00:36:33,026 --> 00:36:34,260 I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN 1066 00:36:34,327 --> 00:36:35,660 BUT YOU CAN TELL HE'S SERIOUS 1067 00:36:35,727 --> 00:36:37,727 ABOUT BEING PRESIDENT FOR LIFE 1068 00:36:37,827 --> 00:36:39,293 BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT A 1069 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,327 BOOK, WE'VE GOT AN ADVANCE COPY 1070 00:36:40,393 --> 00:36:41,694 OF IT, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO 1071 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,760 WHEN THEY WANT TO BURNISH THEIR 1072 00:36:43,827 --> 00:36:44,960 CREDENTIALS TO BE PRESIDENT FOR 1073 00:36:45,026 --> 00:36:45,160 LIFE. 1074 00:36:45,226 --> 00:36:47,927 THEY PUT OUT A BOOK AND HIS IS 1075 00:36:47,993 --> 00:36:50,927 CALLED "PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT." 1076 00:36:50,993 --> 00:36:53,060 THAT'S HIS BIG CLAIM TO FAME. 1077 00:36:53,126 --> 00:36:55,126 HEALTH CARE IS COMPLICATED, 1078 00:36:55,193 --> 00:36:56,327 NOBODY KNEW THAT. 1079 00:36:56,393 --> 00:36:57,860 LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN, PEOPLE 1080 00:36:57,927 --> 00:36:59,293 DON'T KNOW THAT. 1081 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,593 THIS IS HIS BOOK, LOOK AT SOME 1082 00:37:00,660 --> 00:37:01,860 OF THE THINGS IN THIS BOOK. 1083 00:37:01,927 --> 00:37:02,694 BABE RUTH WAS A FANTASTIC 1084 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,126 BASEBALL PLAYER. 1085 00:37:05,193 --> 00:37:06,427 PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT, MOST 1086 00:37:06,493 --> 00:37:07,360 PEOPLE DO NOT -- 1087 00:37:07,427 --> 00:37:10,660 WHEN YOU LOOK IN A MIRROR 1088 00:37:10,727 --> 00:37:14,794 EVERYTHING IS BACKWARDS 1089 00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:15,727 WHEN DOCTORS SAY "STOOL," 1090 00:37:15,794 --> 00:37:18,593 THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR POOP. 1091 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:21,694 NOBODY KNOWS THAT. 1092 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,293 WHEN A WOMAN GIVES BIRTH, THE 1093 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,260 BABY COMES OUT WITH A CORD 1094 00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:26,527 ATTACHED! 1095 00:37:26,593 --> 00:37:29,560 MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT. 1096 00:37:29,627 --> 00:37:31,026 PIZZA IS MADE FROM CHEESE, 1097 00:37:31,093 --> 00:37:35,960 TOMATOES AND DOUGH. 1098 00:37:36,026 --> 00:37:36,460 PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS. 1099 00:37:36,527 --> 00:37:37,460 EMINEM IS A RAPPER BUT ALSO A 1100 00:37:37,527 --> 00:37:38,260 WHITE GUY! 1101 00:37:38,327 --> 00:37:39,760 MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT. 1102 00:37:39,827 --> 00:37:41,060 IN "THE WIZARD OF OZ," THE WHOLE 1103 00:37:41,126 --> 00:37:44,727 THING TURNS OUT TO BE A DREAM. 1104 00:37:44,794 --> 00:37:46,126 WOMEN CAN HAVE ORGASMS JUST LIKE 1105 00:37:46,193 --> 00:37:48,593 A MAN. 1106 00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:53,727 PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT. 1107 00:37:53,794 --> 00:37:58,226 HE'S AN ACTOR AND COMEDIAN WHOSE 1108 00:37:58,293 --> 00:38:08,760 NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING NOVEL 1109 00:38:08,827 --> 00:38:09,327 WRITTEN WITH DANA VASHAN IS 1110 00:38:09,393 --> 00:38:10,360 CALLED "MEMOIRS AND 1111 00:38:10,427 --> 00:38:14,427 MISINFORMATION": JIM CARREY. 1112 00:38:14,493 --> 00:38:15,327 HE'S A NATIONAL TREASURE, 1113 00:38:15,393 --> 00:38:16,960 NATIONAL ICON, I'M SURE HE WILL 1114 00:38:17,026 --> 00:38:20,993 BE A NATIONAL MONUMENT SOMEDAY. 1115 00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:21,393 IT'S A JIM CARREY! 1116 00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:25,360 >> WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE CRAZY 1117 00:38:25,427 --> 00:38:26,026 MONUMENTS. 1118 00:38:26,093 --> 00:38:26,927 >> Bill: I WISH WE COULD BE 1119 00:38:26,993 --> 00:38:28,593 TOGETHER IN PERSON BECAUSE YOU 1120 00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:29,627 HAVE SUCH ELECTRIC ENERGY. 1121 00:38:29,694 --> 00:38:32,460 >> I LOVE TO TOUCH ON YOU. 1122 00:38:32,527 --> 00:38:34,093 >> Bill: IT'S ALMOST A SIN 1123 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,927 THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT BY ZOOM. 1124 00:38:36,993 --> 00:38:38,794 I WAS THINKING ABOUT YOU AND 1125 00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:40,327 YOUR SUCH A HARD GUY TO PREDICT. 1126 00:38:40,393 --> 00:38:42,860 I DON'T KNOW IF BEING HOME 1127 00:38:42,927 --> 00:38:43,993 ALONE -- BY THE WAY, YOU 1128 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,927 WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IN THAT 1129 00:38:45,993 --> 00:38:46,727 MOVIE, EVEN AS AN ADULT, I THINK 1130 00:38:46,794 --> 00:38:49,427 YOU COULD HAVE DONE THE MOVIE AS 1131 00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:49,960 THE CHILD. 1132 00:38:50,026 --> 00:38:52,827 >> EXCEPT THE BURGLARS WERE 1133 00:38:52,927 --> 00:38:53,193 IMAGINARY. 1134 00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:54,393 >> Bill: IN YOUR MIND. 1135 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:59,960 >> THEY NEVER EXISTED. 1136 00:39:00,026 --> 00:39:02,026 >> Bill: YOUR HOME ALONE ALL 1137 00:39:02,093 --> 00:39:03,060 DAY, QUARANTINING, IS THAT A 1138 00:39:03,126 --> 00:39:04,427 GOOD THING FOR YOU? 1139 00:39:04,493 --> 00:39:07,060 THE LOVE THAT OR DO YOU HATE 1140 00:39:07,126 --> 00:39:09,026 THAT? 1141 00:39:09,093 --> 00:39:10,160 >> IT'S GREAT AND IT'S 1142 00:39:10,226 --> 00:39:12,427 HORRIFYING BECAUSE I NEED TO BE 1143 00:39:12,493 --> 00:39:13,927 ENCOURAGED TO BE SOCIAL. 1144 00:39:13,993 --> 00:39:14,894 I NEED SOCIAL ENCOURAGEMENT, I 1145 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,993 NEED A REASON TO GO OUT. 1146 00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:19,727 EVEN WHEN THEY TELL YOU YOU CAN 1147 00:39:19,794 --> 00:39:22,493 WEAR A MASK AND YOU CAN DO THIS 1148 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,126 AND DO THAT AND I SAY WHAT OF 1149 00:39:25,193 --> 00:39:32,427 FLATULENCE? 1150 00:39:32,493 --> 00:39:33,427 FAUCI SAYS NOTHING ABOUT 1151 00:39:33,493 --> 00:39:34,393 FLATULENCE, THESE DAYS YOU HAVE 1152 00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:35,993 A REASON TO BE ANGRY WHEN YOU 1153 00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:38,160 SMELL SOMETHING. 1154 00:39:38,226 --> 00:39:39,060 >> Bill: WHAT ABOUT PAINTING? 1155 00:39:39,126 --> 00:39:39,794 I HAVE THIS IN MY HOME AND I'M 1156 00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:44,060 GOING TO HOLD IT UP, YOU HAD A 1157 00:39:44,126 --> 00:39:45,593 GALLERY SHOWING. 1158 00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:50,060 >> IT'S MY PICTURE OF BABY DUMB 1159 00:39:50,126 --> 00:39:50,260 DUMB. 1160 00:39:50,327 --> 00:39:50,860 >> Bill: YOU ARE SO POLITICAL 1161 00:39:50,927 --> 00:39:52,827 WITH YOUR PAINTING. 1162 00:39:52,894 --> 00:39:54,026 I LOVE THAT I BOUGHT THIS, IT'S 1163 00:39:54,093 --> 00:39:56,327 GOING TO GET ME A LOT OF MONEY 1164 00:39:56,393 --> 00:39:56,560 SOMEDAY. 1165 00:39:56,627 --> 00:39:59,794 IT'S AN AMAZING -- 1166 00:39:59,860 --> 00:40:03,360 >> AND ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE 1167 00:40:03,427 --> 00:40:05,260 POLITICAL RECORD TO. 1168 00:40:05,327 --> 00:40:06,093 >> Bill: IT'S CALLED THE 1169 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,427 WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST WING 1170 00:40:09,493 --> 00:40:14,560 AND I FUCKING LOVE IT. 1171 00:40:14,627 --> 00:40:15,193 THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH 1172 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:15,860 A PRETTY PENNY TO GET ME TO PART 1173 00:40:15,927 --> 00:40:17,193 WITH THIS. 1174 00:40:17,260 --> 00:40:19,060 >> THERE'S SO MANY I CAN'T PUT 1175 00:40:19,126 --> 00:40:20,794 OUT THERE. 1176 00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:22,660 >> Bill: IF TRUMP DOES GO 1177 00:40:22,727 --> 00:40:22,860 AWAY. 1178 00:40:22,927 --> 00:40:25,627 >> THERE'S THE LINCOLN MONUMENT 1179 00:40:25,694 --> 00:40:26,460 WITH A SHOTGUN SHOOTING HIMSELF, 1180 00:40:26,527 --> 00:40:29,827 THAT KIND OF THING. 1181 00:40:29,894 --> 00:40:30,193 I'M SAVING THAT. 1182 00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:34,093 >> Bill: YOU ARE LOSING YOUR 1183 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,293 MUSE. 1184 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,727 WHAT WILL YOU PAINT IF HE GOES 1185 00:40:36,794 --> 00:40:38,126 AWAY? 1186 00:40:38,193 --> 00:40:40,093 >> OH, MY GOSH, THERE'S SO MANY 1187 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:40,993 THINGS, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS 1188 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:43,160 BUT THAT'S THE CRAZY THING ABOUT 1189 00:40:43,226 --> 00:40:44,460 THIS ERA. 1190 00:40:44,527 --> 00:40:47,093 THIS ONE MEGALOMANIACAL LUNATIC 1191 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,993 TRADER IS ABLE TO CAPTURE THE 1192 00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:54,093 ZEITGEIST ENTIRELY ALMOST. 1193 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,260 AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST 1194 00:40:56,327 --> 00:40:58,226 SECOND-TIER AS FAR AS OUR 1195 00:40:58,293 --> 00:40:59,327 INTEREST GOES BECAUSE WE ARE IN 1196 00:40:59,393 --> 00:41:03,627 ACTUAL MORTAL DANGER. 1197 00:41:03,694 --> 00:41:04,727 IT'S ON OUR MINDS AND HE GETS 1198 00:41:04,794 --> 00:41:05,327 OUR ATTENTION AND HE GETS TOO 1199 00:41:05,393 --> 00:41:08,460 MUCH ATTENTION. 1200 00:41:08,527 --> 00:41:10,327 BASICALLY I SIT BACK AND I LOOK 1201 00:41:10,393 --> 00:41:11,527 AT TRUMP AND I GO FOR 1202 00:41:11,593 --> 00:41:12,960 GOD'S SAKES, CAN'T WE SEE THIS 1203 00:41:13,026 --> 00:41:14,160 FOR WHAT IT IS? 1204 00:41:14,226 --> 00:41:15,360 IT'S A HEIST. 1205 00:41:15,427 --> 00:41:17,894 IT'S NOT KHATAMI PLAZA. 1206 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,160 BRUCE WILLIS IS ON THE WRONG 1207 00:41:20,226 --> 00:41:25,060 SIDE. 1208 00:41:25,126 --> 00:41:28,427 IT'S A GUY, HIS ENTIRE LIFE IS 1209 00:41:28,493 --> 00:41:31,060 FOCUSED TOWARDS CREATING CHAOS. 1210 00:41:31,126 --> 00:41:32,527 THAT'S AN AGENDA SET BY SOMEONE 1211 00:41:32,593 --> 00:41:35,160 ELSE, BY A FOREIGN POWER AND 1212 00:41:35,226 --> 00:41:36,460 HE'S DOING QUITE WELL WITH THAT 1213 00:41:36,527 --> 00:41:37,460 AGENDA. 1214 00:41:37,527 --> 00:41:37,993 IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING 1215 00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:41,694 THROUGH THAT PRISM, IT'S THE 1216 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,293 ONLY PRISM WITH WHICH YOU CAN 1217 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,760 LOOK AT IT AND THIS MAKES SENSE. 1218 00:41:44,827 --> 00:41:47,527 IT MAKES SENSE AS TOTAL CHAOS 1219 00:41:47,593 --> 00:41:53,627 AND DESTRUCTION LIKE THE 1220 00:41:53,694 --> 00:41:54,727 OLIGARCHS PLAN TO DIVIDE AND 1221 00:41:54,794 --> 00:41:55,260 CONQUER. 1222 00:41:55,327 --> 00:41:58,126 GET US FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER, 1223 00:41:58,193 --> 00:41:59,126 FIGHTING WITH OURSELVES, AND 1224 00:41:59,193 --> 00:42:00,060 THEN THEY CAN STEAL WHATEVER 1225 00:42:00,126 --> 00:42:01,593 THEY WANT TO STEAL, THEY CAN 1226 00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:03,260 TURN THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN AND 1227 00:42:03,327 --> 00:42:04,694 SHAKE IT UNTIL THE MONEY FALLS 1228 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:04,927 OUT TO. 1229 00:42:04,993 --> 00:42:07,260 >> Bill: AS SOMEONE WHO PLAYED 1230 00:42:07,327 --> 00:42:08,560 ANDY KAUFMAN ONCE, IT MUST 1231 00:42:08,627 --> 00:42:09,593 STRIKE YOU AS IT STRIKES ME THAT 1232 00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:11,960 REALLY A LOT OF WHAT HE DOES 1233 00:42:12,026 --> 00:42:17,493 LOOKS LIKE PERFORMANCE ART. 1234 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,360 >> I DON'T THINK HE'S SMART 1235 00:42:19,427 --> 00:42:23,060 ENOUGH TO DO PERFORMANCE ART BUT 1236 00:42:23,126 --> 00:42:25,727 I THINK HE'S A WOUNDED BEING. 1237 00:42:25,794 --> 00:42:28,860 THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. 1238 00:42:28,927 --> 00:42:31,493 DANA AND I TALK ABOUT IT IN THE 1239 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,126 BOOK, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -- 1240 00:42:32,193 --> 00:42:33,327 >> Bill: LET'S GET TO YOUR 1241 00:42:33,393 --> 00:42:37,993 BOOK, LET'S NOT LET DONALD TRUMP 1242 00:42:38,026 --> 00:42:40,193 HIJACK ALL OF YOUR TIME WHEN 1243 00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:41,827 IT'S REALLY ABOUT YOUR BOOK. 1244 00:42:41,894 --> 00:42:43,627 I WROTE YOU AFTER I READ IT. 1245 00:42:43,694 --> 00:42:45,993 >> HOW DID IT HAPPEN? 1246 00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:47,193 HOW DID NINE YEARS OF 1247 00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:47,927 CONVERSATION AND FRIENDSHIP 1248 00:42:47,993 --> 00:42:49,860 TURNED INTO THREE YEARS OF 1249 00:42:49,927 --> 00:42:52,527 INSANE WORK AND SOMETHING -- 1250 00:42:52,593 --> 00:42:54,226 WHAT I THINK IS BEAUTIFUL AND I 1251 00:42:54,293 --> 00:42:54,860 CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M ONLY 1252 00:42:54,927 --> 00:42:59,093 RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF IT. 1253 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,527 IT'S AN INCREDIBLE GIFT, I DON'T 1254 00:43:00,593 --> 00:43:01,226 KNOW WHAT ELSE. 1255 00:43:01,293 --> 00:43:04,960 I'M ALMOST EMBARRASSED ABOUT IT. 1256 00:43:05,026 --> 00:43:07,860 I WAS SHOCKED IN THE BEST 1257 00:43:07,927 --> 00:43:10,260 POSSIBLE WAY. 1258 00:43:10,327 --> 00:43:12,560 AT THIS POINT PEOPLE ARE GOING 1259 00:43:12,627 --> 00:43:15,860 TO GO WHAT IS THIS DUDE? 1260 00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:21,493 >> Bill: LET ME DESCRIBE A 1261 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,160 LITTLE FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT 1262 00:43:22,226 --> 00:43:25,927 TO GET THIS. 1263 00:43:25,993 --> 00:43:30,627 YOU'RE FUCKING UP YOUR OWN PLUG! 1264 00:43:30,694 --> 00:43:33,794 >> I CAN'T TAKE THIS FORMAT! 1265 00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:36,093 SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO BIG FOR 1266 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,794 IT. 1267 00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:43,226 ME AND ELVIS CAN'T DO IT! 1268 00:43:43,293 --> 00:43:44,527 >> Bill: IT'S THE PICTURES 1269 00:43:44,593 --> 00:43:46,527 THAT GOT LITTLE. 1270 00:43:46,593 --> 00:43:49,026 >> YOU'VE GOT TO SEE MY KARATE 1271 00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:50,226 MOVE. 1272 00:43:50,293 --> 00:43:51,193 >> Bill: WHAT I IMMEDIATELY 1273 00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:53,493 WAS GRABBED BY WAS THE FACT THAT 1274 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,026 IT'S A BOOK WHERE JIM CARREY IS 1275 00:43:55,093 --> 00:43:58,527 A CHARACTER MUCH THE WAY IN A 1276 00:43:58,593 --> 00:44:01,026 SITCOM THAT BECAME THE TEMPLATE 1277 00:44:01,093 --> 00:44:02,126 NOW. 1278 00:44:02,193 --> 00:44:02,727 LARRY DAVID STARTED WITH CURB 1279 00:44:02,794 --> 00:44:05,026 YOUR ENTHUSIASM OR MAYBE 1280 00:44:05,093 --> 00:44:08,026 JERRY SEINFELD BUT THAT WAS HALF 1281 00:44:08,093 --> 00:44:12,927 LARRY'S SHOW TOO, JERRY WAS 1282 00:44:12,993 --> 00:44:13,493 JERRY SEINFELD AND LARRY WAS 1283 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,794 LARRY DAVID -- 1284 00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:19,026 AND OF COURSE THE ANSWER IS 1285 00:44:19,093 --> 00:44:20,760 BOTH, IT IS AND IT ISN'T. 1286 00:44:20,827 --> 00:44:21,727 THAT'S WHAT YOU DO IN A NOVEL, 1287 00:44:21,794 --> 00:44:24,393 YOU ARE JIM CARREY. 1288 00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:28,927 >> I'M A CHARACTER NAMED JIM 1289 00:44:28,993 --> 00:44:31,593 CARREY, MAKING FUN OF MY OWN 1290 00:44:31,660 --> 00:44:32,927 EGO, MY OWN DUALITY AND MY OWN 1291 00:44:32,993 --> 00:44:36,226 EVERYTHING AND MY OWN HUNGER AND 1292 00:44:36,293 --> 00:44:39,026 AT THE SAME TIME IT ALSO MAKES 1293 00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:40,894 FUN OF THE PERCEPTIONS PEOPLE 1294 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,493 HAVE ABOUT HOLLYWOOD THAT THIS 1295 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,160 IS WHAT FAME IS LIKE. 1296 00:44:44,226 --> 00:44:45,694 FAME IS A VERY BIZARRE THING, 1297 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,660 YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU 1298 00:44:46,727 --> 00:44:48,660 GET IT. 1299 00:44:48,727 --> 00:44:50,493 YOU CAN WANT TO WALK ON THE MOON 1300 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,327 ALL YOU WANT WITH YOUR LITTLE 1301 00:44:51,393 --> 00:44:52,694 KID BUT WHEN YOU GO THERE, 1302 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,960 YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A SUIT AND 1303 00:44:54,026 --> 00:44:57,126 YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AN AIR PUMPED 1304 00:44:57,193 --> 00:44:59,293 IN AND IS NO PLACE TO LIVE. 1305 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,460 I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE BOOK IS 1306 00:45:01,527 --> 00:45:04,860 TRYING TO PROVE. 1307 00:45:04,927 --> 00:45:05,460 FIND OTHER PLACES THAT ARE NO 1308 00:45:05,527 --> 00:45:07,160 PLACE TO LIVE. 1309 00:45:07,226 --> 00:45:12,327 >> Bill: LOVE HIM BUT ON THE 1310 00:45:12,393 --> 00:45:12,894 GUEST GOING TO MARS. 1311 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,160 >> SHUT YOU IN A ROOM AND 1312 00:45:14,226 --> 00:45:16,460 CONTROL YOUR CLIMATE. 1313 00:45:16,527 --> 00:45:17,093 >> Bill: THAT'S LIKE VEGAS 1314 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,493 THESE DAYS. 1315 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,694 ONCE AGAIN, LET ME PLUG YOUR 1316 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:22,894 BOOK. 1317 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,193 LET ME TAKE ONE MORE STAB 1318 00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:27,960 BECAUSE IT STRIKES ME AS A BOOK 1319 00:45:28,026 --> 00:45:28,894 THAT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN 1320 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,327 WRITTEN BY A CANADIAN BECAUSE 1321 00:45:32,393 --> 00:45:35,260 YOU CANADIANS, YOU LOOK AT 1322 00:45:35,327 --> 00:45:36,060 AMERICA AND IT'S LIKE YOU WANT 1323 00:45:36,126 --> 00:45:38,460 TO BE PART OF IT AND YOU DON'T. 1324 00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:40,894 YOU WANT TO BE AT THE PARTY BUT 1325 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,327 YOU'RE VERY AMBIVALENT ABOUT IT. 1326 00:45:42,393 --> 00:45:43,860 AND YOU'RE A FOUNTAIN OF TALENT, 1327 00:45:43,927 --> 00:45:46,026 ALL THE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT OF 1328 00:45:46,093 --> 00:45:46,260 CANADA. 1329 00:45:46,327 --> 00:45:49,527 >> I'M AT THE PARTY. 1330 00:45:49,593 --> 00:45:50,627 I'M WATCHING THE DOOR. 1331 00:45:50,694 --> 00:45:52,026 I'M MAKING SURE THERE'S AN EXIT 1332 00:45:52,093 --> 00:45:53,694 FOR EVERYBODY, I'M TRYING 1333 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:54,860 EVERYTHING I CAN TO LET PEOPLE 1334 00:45:54,927 --> 00:45:59,393 KNOW THAT IT'S NOT NORMAL TO SIT 1335 00:45:59,460 --> 00:46:01,360 AND WATCH THE PRESIDENT OF THE 1336 00:46:01,427 --> 00:46:05,827 UNITED STATES OBSESSIVELY SPEW 1337 00:46:05,894 --> 00:46:06,360 OUT PURULENT DISCHARGES ON 1338 00:46:06,427 --> 00:46:12,727 TWITTER ALL DAY LONG. 1339 00:46:12,794 --> 00:46:13,260 >> Bill: YOU'RE OBSESSED. 1340 00:46:13,327 --> 00:46:15,226 I ASKED YOU A QUESTION ABOUT 1341 00:46:15,293 --> 00:46:16,460 YOUR BOOK AND YOU'RE TALKING 1342 00:46:16,527 --> 00:46:17,093 ABOUT TRUMP. 1343 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,260 TRUMP ISN'T A BIG PART OF THE 1344 00:46:19,327 --> 00:46:20,260 BOOK. 1345 00:46:20,327 --> 00:46:23,894 >> BUT TYRANNY IS. 1346 00:46:23,927 --> 00:46:25,026 IT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF 1347 00:46:25,093 --> 00:46:25,327 CELEBRITY. 1348 00:46:25,393 --> 00:46:25,927 >> Bill: THAT'S A GREAT THEME 1349 00:46:25,993 --> 00:46:29,927 AND ALSO YOU HAVE A LOT OF OTHER 1350 00:46:29,993 --> 00:46:31,560 CELEBRITIES AND YOU PUT WORDS IN 1351 00:46:31,627 --> 00:46:32,327 THEIR MOUTH, I'M SURE SOME OF 1352 00:46:32,393 --> 00:46:34,827 THEM ARE MAD AT YOU. 1353 00:46:34,894 --> 00:46:36,260 >> I HAVE NO IDEA BUT I CAN TELL 1354 00:46:36,327 --> 00:46:37,460 YOU THIS. 1355 00:46:37,527 --> 00:46:42,427 SO FAR, NICK CAGE LOVES IT HE'S 1356 00:46:42,493 --> 00:46:45,560 OUT OF HIS MIND FOR IT, HE WAS 1357 00:46:45,627 --> 00:46:49,060 HONORED BY THE WHOLE PROCESS. 1358 00:46:49,126 --> 00:46:51,093 JOE DANGERFIELD SENT ME LOVELY 1359 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:51,760 EMAILS ABOUT HOW MUCH HE LOVED 1360 00:46:51,827 --> 00:46:53,627 IT AND HOW MUCH RODNEY 1361 00:46:53,694 --> 00:46:55,794 DANGERFIELD WOULD HAVE LOVED IT 1362 00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:57,927 AND HOW I DEALT WITH THAT 1363 00:46:57,993 --> 00:47:00,360 CHARACTER AND THE FEAR OF THE 1364 00:47:00,427 --> 00:47:01,427 FUTURE LOSS OF AI AND ALL OF 1365 00:47:01,493 --> 00:47:02,460 THAT STUFF AND WE ARE ACTUALLY 1366 00:47:02,527 --> 00:47:05,026 GOING TO BE TALKING TO DEAD 1367 00:47:05,093 --> 00:47:05,927 PEOPLE AND HAVING RELATIONSHIPS 1368 00:47:05,993 --> 00:47:08,327 WITH THEM. 1369 00:47:08,393 --> 00:47:08,993 >> Bill: I WANT TO READ ONE 1370 00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:12,360 QUOTE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS 1371 00:47:12,427 --> 00:47:15,560 SO FUNNY, IT'S SO HARD NOWADAYS 1372 00:47:15,627 --> 00:47:16,560 TO ACTUALLY DO PARITY. 1373 00:47:16,627 --> 00:47:18,593 YOU CANNOT STAY AHEAD OF HOW 1374 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:19,827 WEIRD SHIT IS AND AT THE END I 1375 00:47:19,894 --> 00:47:21,927 DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH 1376 00:47:21,993 --> 00:47:24,760 AWAY, DURING THE ALIEN INVASION, 1377 00:47:24,827 --> 00:47:26,993 KANYE WEST SAYS "YOU NEED NOT BE 1378 00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:27,493 AFRAID. 1379 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,126 THEY SPEAK TO ME IN SUPERNATURAL 1380 00:47:29,193 --> 00:47:31,960 VERSES, I AM ONE WITH THEIR 1381 00:47:32,026 --> 00:47:32,493 JAM." 1382 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,827 AND I'M NOT SO SURE HE DIDN'T 1383 00:47:33,894 --> 00:47:36,193 SAY THAT THIS WEEK! 1384 00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:39,327 >> IT'S A VERY STRANGE THING 1385 00:47:39,393 --> 00:47:39,927 WHERE PARITY BECOMES PARALLEL 1386 00:47:39,993 --> 00:47:42,160 WITH REALITY. 1387 00:47:42,226 --> 00:47:44,560 WE'VE GOT TO MARK THESE THINGS, 1388 00:47:44,627 --> 00:47:46,160 HE'S ONE OF THE GREAT CHARACTERS 1389 00:47:46,226 --> 00:47:47,527 OF OUR ZEITGEIST AT THE MOMENT 1390 00:47:47,593 --> 00:47:48,927 AND I WANTED HIM TO HAVE A PLACE 1391 00:47:48,993 --> 00:47:50,593 IN IT NO MATTER WHAT HE'S DOING, 1392 00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:53,727 I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. 1393 00:47:53,794 --> 00:47:55,293 >> Bill: FOR ME IT WAS A REAL 1394 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,160 GIFT IN THIS TIME. 1395 00:47:58,226 --> 00:48:00,560 I WAS HOME, WE HAD A MONTH OFF 1396 00:48:00,627 --> 00:48:02,193 AND TO HAVE THIS BOOK REALLY 1397 00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:03,927 GAVE ME A FEW DAYS, I READ IT 1398 00:48:03,993 --> 00:48:07,093 VERY FAST, GREAT PLEASURE, I 1399 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:07,427 RECOMMEND IT. 1400 00:48:07,493 --> 00:48:09,860 >> IT'S SO GREAT, THAT'S SO NICE 1401 00:48:09,927 --> 00:48:12,993 TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU. 1402 00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:17,627 I LOVE THAT AND I'M VERY LUCKY. 1403 00:48:17,694 --> 00:48:18,960 >> Bill: LET'S HOPE WE HAVE A 1404 00:48:19,026 --> 00:48:21,427 LOOK IN PERSON SOON AND I WILL 1405 00:48:21,493 --> 00:48:22,660 SEE YOU SOON, JIM CARREY. 1406 00:48:22,727 --> 00:48:24,493 >> ABSOLUTELY, SO GREAT TO SEE 1407 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,093 YOU. 1408 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:33,193 >> Bill: OKAY, TIME FOR NEW 1409 00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:34,193 RULES! 1410 00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:35,393 THE SQUIRRELS HERE HAVE MISSED A 1411 00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:38,460 NEW RULES COME ALL THE WOODEN 1412 00:48:38,527 --> 00:48:40,026 CREATURES -- 1413 00:48:40,093 --> 00:48:40,927 NEW RULE: SOMEONE HAS TO PULL 1414 00:48:40,993 --> 00:48:41,927 TRUMP ASIDE AND EXPLAIN TO HIM 1415 00:48:41,993 --> 00:48:42,560 THAT, WHEN YOU BRAG ABOUT 1416 00:48:42,627 --> 00:48:43,126 "ACING" YOUR DEMENTIA TEST, 1417 00:48:43,193 --> 00:48:43,960 YOU'RE ALSO ADMITTING THAT IT 1418 00:48:44,026 --> 00:48:44,694 WAS RECOMMENDED YOU TAKE A 1419 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,860 DEMENTIA TEST. 1420 00:48:45,927 --> 00:48:47,160 IT'S EMBARRASSING YOU HAD TO DO 1421 00:48:47,226 --> 00:48:48,727 IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. 1422 00:48:48,794 --> 00:48:49,694 IT'S LIKE BOASTING THAT YOU 1423 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,493 CHANGE YOUR OWN DIAPERS. 1424 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,093 NEW RULE: IF IN FEBRUARY YOU 1425 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,694 TWEET, "KEEP AMERICA GREAT!!!", 1426 00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:59,860 AND THEN IN JULY YOU TWEET "MAKE 1427 00:48:59,927 --> 00:49:02,293 AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" 1428 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,427 YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT BETWEEN 1429 00:49:03,493 --> 00:49:04,694 FEBRUARY AND JULY YOU RUINED 1430 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,660 AMERICA. 1431 00:49:08,727 --> 00:49:10,627 NEW RULE: SOMEONE HAS TO REMIND 1432 00:49:10,694 --> 00:49:11,860 THE "CHECK ENGINE" LIGHT WHAT 1433 00:49:11,927 --> 00:49:13,660 COUNTRY THIS IS. 1434 00:49:13,727 --> 00:49:14,993 "OOH! 1435 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:17,627 THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG! 1436 00:49:17,694 --> 00:49:18,894 AND IF WE DON'T DEAL WITH IT NOW 1437 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,894 IT'S GOING TO GROW INTO AN EVEN 1438 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,060 BIGGER PROBLEM!" 1439 00:49:22,126 --> 00:49:23,226 COME ON, CHECK ENGINE LIGHT, 1440 00:49:23,293 --> 00:49:24,727 THIS IS AMERICA - CALL US WHEN 1441 00:49:24,794 --> 00:49:29,727 THE CAR'S A FIREBALL. 1442 00:49:29,794 --> 00:49:31,694 NEW RULE: THE WOMAN IN A PANERA 1443 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,894 WHO PROTESTED WEARING A MASK BY 1444 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,360 YELLING "YOU FART OUT YOUR ASS; 1445 00:49:35,427 --> 00:49:37,226 YOU CAN SMELL IT OUT OF YOUR 1446 00:49:37,293 --> 00:49:37,960 ASS. 1447 00:49:38,026 --> 00:49:39,093 YOU THINK THAT MASK IS GOING TO 1448 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,593 PROTECT YOU?" 1449 00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:42,827 HAS TO ADMIT ONE THING. 1450 00:49:42,894 --> 00:49:44,360 IF SOMEONE FARTED ON YOU, 1451 00:49:44,427 --> 00:49:45,360 WOULDN'T YOU RATHER THEY WERE 1452 00:49:45,427 --> 00:49:49,827 WEARING PANTS? 1453 00:49:49,894 --> 00:49:50,894 NEW RULE: DON'T BE STUPIDER THAN 1454 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,260 YOUR SPOUSE. 1455 00:49:54,327 --> 00:49:56,160 HERE'S A REAL QUOTE ON FACEBOOK 1456 00:49:56,226 --> 00:49:57,827 FROM A WOMAN IN SOUTH CAROLINA 1457 00:49:57,894 --> 00:49:59,860 WHO HATES WEARING A MASK: "MY 1458 00:49:59,927 --> 00:50:01,126 HUSBAND HAD TO WEAR A MASK ON A 1459 00:50:01,193 --> 00:50:03,327 BUSINESS TRIP AND NOW HE HAS 1460 00:50:03,393 --> 00:50:05,860 CHLAMYDIA." 1461 00:50:05,927 --> 00:50:07,593 AND SHE BELIEVED HIM. 1462 00:50:07,660 --> 00:50:08,993 THAT HE GOT CHLAMYDIA FROM A 1463 00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:10,960 MASK. 1464 00:50:11,026 --> 00:50:12,393 AND IT WAS A STRANGE 1465 00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:13,660 COINCIDENCE, BECAUSE WHILE HE 1466 00:50:13,727 --> 00:50:14,894 WAS AWAY, HER UNDERWEAR GAVE HER 1467 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,894 HERPES. 1468 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,760 AND FINALLY, NEW RULE. 1469 00:50:20,827 --> 00:50:22,226 AMERICA'S TOP HEALTH OFFICIALS 1470 00:50:22,293 --> 00:50:23,427 HAVE TO FIND THE COURAGE TO DO 1471 00:50:23,493 --> 00:50:26,293 WHAT THE HEALTH OFFICIALS IN 1472 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,993 HUNTINGTON, NEW YORK DID: THEY 1473 00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:30,060 TOLD THE ENTIRE TOWN OF 200,000 1474 00:50:30,126 --> 00:50:34,260 TO GO ON A DIET BECAUSE, AS THE 1475 00:50:34,327 --> 00:50:37,093 HEAD OF THE PROGRAM PUT IT " 1476 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,060 COVID-19, YOU'RE TWICE AS LIKELY 1477 00:50:38,126 --> 00:50:39,293 TO HAVE A POOR OUTCOME IF YOU'RE 1478 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,694 OBESE." 1479 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,593 ACTUALLY, IT'S WORSE THAN THAT: 1480 00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:45,226 PUBLIC HEALTH ENGLAND FOUND THAT 1481 00:50:45,293 --> 00:50:48,160 PEOPLE WITH A BODY- MASS-INDEX 1482 00:50:48,226 --> 00:50:49,060 OF 35-40 HAVE A 40% GREATER RISK 1483 00:50:49,126 --> 00:50:50,694 OF DYING FROM COVID, AND OVER 40 1484 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,260 IT'S A 90% GREATER RISK. 1485 00:50:54,327 --> 00:50:57,827 EVEN BEING MILDLY OBESE MAKES IT 1486 00:50:57,894 --> 00:50:59,860 FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY THAT 1487 00:50:59,927 --> 00:51:01,126 CATCHING THE VIRUS WILL LAND YOU 1488 00:51:01,193 --> 00:51:05,360 IN THE ICU. 1489 00:51:05,427 --> 00:51:06,727 AND NOW, PEOPLE ARE GAINING EVEN 1490 00:51:06,794 --> 00:51:07,727 MORE WEIGHT - THEY CALL IT THE 1491 00:51:07,794 --> 00:51:09,993 "QUARANTINE 15." 1492 00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:11,393 JEEZ, I REMEMBER WHEN PLAGUES 1493 00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:15,260 HAD A SLIMMING EFFECT ON PEOPLE. 1494 00:51:15,327 --> 00:51:17,393 I DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE 1495 00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:18,593 THAT THE COUNTRIES WITH THE 1496 00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:20,260 LOWEST RATES OF OBESITY HAVE HAD 1497 00:51:20,327 --> 00:51:23,293 THE FEWEST COVID DEATHS. 1498 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,160 MAYBE CHINA ISN'T HIDING ALL 1499 00:51:25,226 --> 00:51:27,160 THEIR COVID DEATHS; MAYBE THEIR 1500 00:51:27,226 --> 00:51:29,694 "SECRET" IS THAT THEIR OBESITY 1501 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,260 RATE IS 6% AND OURS IS 42. 1502 00:51:33,327 --> 00:51:34,860 AND POINTING ALL THIS OUT 1503 00:51:34,927 --> 00:51:36,593 DOESN'T MAKE ME A DICK - IN 1504 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:40,093 FACT, THE SHAME IS ON EVERYONE 1505 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,093 IN MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT WHO IS 1506 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,026 TOO COWARDLY TO EMPHASIZE HOW 1507 00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:46,660 IMPORTANT AN ISSUE THIS IS. 1508 00:51:46,727 --> 00:51:47,760 BECAUSE THE VIRUS MADE IT AN 1509 00:51:47,827 --> 00:51:50,026 ISSUE. 1510 00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:52,660 OBESITY WAS ALREADY KILLING US 1511 00:51:52,727 --> 00:51:54,093 SLOWLY, BUT YOU MIX IT WITH 1512 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,093 COVID AND IT KILLS YOU FAST. 1513 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,126 YOU CAN SCREAM AT ME ALL YOU 1514 00:51:57,193 --> 00:51:58,460 WANT FOR SAYING THAT, BUT IT 1515 00:51:58,527 --> 00:51:59,360 WON'T CHANGE THE SCIENTIFIC 1516 00:51:59,427 --> 00:52:02,560 TRUTH OF IT. 1517 00:52:02,627 --> 00:52:06,794 NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE BECAUSE 1518 00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:08,560 OF THEIR WEIGHT, AND WE SHOULD 1519 00:52:08,627 --> 00:52:09,860 SPARE NO EXPENSE PROTECTING 1520 00:52:09,927 --> 00:52:12,827 VULNERABLE PEOPLE NO MATTER WHY 1521 00:52:12,894 --> 00:52:14,060 THEY'RE VULNERABLE - BUT MAKE NO 1522 00:52:14,126 --> 00:52:15,760 MISTAKE, AMERICA FIGHTING COVID 1523 00:52:15,827 --> 00:52:17,593 IS LIKE A BOXER WHO WENT INTO 1524 00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:18,860 THE RING OUT OF SHAPE AND IS 1525 00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:21,927 TAKING A BEATING FOR IT. 1526 00:52:21,993 --> 00:52:23,660 EVERY DAY, WE HEAR THE SAME 1527 00:52:23,727 --> 00:52:25,460 WARNINGS ABOUT FIGHTING THE 1528 00:52:25,527 --> 00:52:27,727 VIRUS: WEAR A MASK; WASH YOUR 1529 00:52:27,794 --> 00:52:28,560 HANDS; HAVE SEX THROUGH A GLORY 1530 00:52:28,627 --> 00:52:32,993 HOLE. 1531 00:52:33,060 --> 00:52:34,593 BUT THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF 1532 00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:36,226 HEALTH DURING A HEALTH CRISIS - 1533 00:52:36,293 --> 00:52:39,427 DR.FAUCI, DR., BIRX, SURGEON 1534 00:52:39,493 --> 00:52:42,593 GENERAL ADAMS, HEAD OF THE CDC 1535 00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:44,393 DR., REDFIELD, NATIONAL 1536 00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:48,360 INSTITUTES OF HEALTH DIRECTOR 1537 00:52:48,427 --> 00:52:49,560 DR. FRANCIS COLLINS - DON'T EVER 1538 00:52:49,627 --> 00:52:51,527 REALLY MENTION THE ONE MAJOR 1539 00:52:51,593 --> 00:52:53,226 THING MOST PEOPLE COULD DO TO 1540 00:52:53,293 --> 00:52:54,560 ENSURE A BETTER OUTCOME SHOULD 1541 00:52:54,627 --> 00:52:55,760 THEY GET IT. 1542 00:52:55,827 --> 00:52:57,360 TO ME, IT'S SUCH A SCANDAL THESE 1543 00:52:57,427 --> 00:52:58,894 DOCTORS WON'T LOOK STRAIGHT IN 1544 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,894 THE CAMERA AND SAY "THE NUMBER 1545 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,560 ONE THING YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE 1546 00:53:03,627 --> 00:53:06,160 YOUR CHANCES IS BE IN BETTER 1547 00:53:06,226 --> 00:53:07,794 GENERAL HEALTH, AND THE NUMBER 1548 00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:09,293 ONE ROUTE TO THAT IS AN IMPROVED 1549 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,193 DIET." 1550 00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:14,527 TO BE A DOCTOR RIGHT NOW AND NOT 1551 00:53:14,593 --> 00:53:15,460 DISCUSS DIET IS LIKE BEING A 1552 00:53:15,527 --> 00:53:16,860 CLOWN WHO WON'T DO BALLOON 1553 00:53:16,927 --> 00:53:19,327 ANIMALS. 1554 00:53:19,393 --> 00:53:20,560 WHY NOT AN ALL-OUT CAMPAIGN TO 1555 00:53:20,627 --> 00:53:23,226 EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE 1556 00:53:23,293 --> 00:53:24,794 DANGERS OF A DIET OF SUGARY, 1557 00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:27,093 CHEMICAL- LADEN CRAP? 1558 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,393 KRISPY KREME "HONORED" OUR 1559 00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:32,493 FRONTLINE DOCTORS AND NURSES IN 1560 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,193 APRIL BY GIVING THEM 18 MILLION 1561 00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:36,393 DONUTS. 1562 00:53:36,460 --> 00:53:37,460 WHICH IS LIKE HONORING FIREMEN 1563 00:53:37,527 --> 00:53:39,360 WITH NAPALM. 1564 00:53:39,427 --> 00:53:41,393 AND WHY NOT A CAMPAIGN TO MAKE 1565 00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:44,093 IT A PRIORITY TO GET DECENT FOOD 1566 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,560 INTO POOR NEIGHBORHOODS? 1567 00:53:48,627 --> 00:53:50,593 WHY NOT FOR EVERY PSA ABOUT A 1568 00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:53,060 MASK, A PSA WITH A RECIPE FOR A 1569 00:53:53,126 --> 00:53:54,627 HEALTHY MEAL? 1570 00:53:54,694 --> 00:53:55,993 I THINK SO MANY LIVES COULD HAVE 1571 00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:57,560 BEEN SAVED IF AT THE VERY 1572 00:53:57,627 --> 00:54:00,493 BEGINNING OF THIS CRISIS THE 1573 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,794 MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT HAD MADE A 1574 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:03,327 CONCERTED EFFORT TO TELL 1575 00:54:03,393 --> 00:54:04,327 AMERICANS, "WHILE YOU'RE IN 1576 00:54:04,393 --> 00:54:07,860 LOCKDOWN GETTING FREE MONEY FOR 1577 00:54:07,927 --> 00:54:12,327 NOT WORKING, YOU NEED TO DO 1578 00:54:12,393 --> 00:54:14,093 SOMETHING, TOO." 1579 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,860 EVEN THE POOREST PERSON COULD 1580 00:54:15,927 --> 00:54:17,360 SWITCH OUT SODA AT MEALS FOR 1581 00:54:17,427 --> 00:54:18,060 WATER - IT'LL SAVE YOU MONEY, 1582 00:54:18,126 --> 00:54:18,993 TOO. 1583 00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:20,193 A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO GET IN 1584 00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:21,460 SHAPE WOULD HAVE DRAMATICALLY 1585 00:54:21,527 --> 00:54:23,260 IMPROVED OUR CHANCES AGAINST 1586 00:54:23,327 --> 00:54:24,660 THIS DISEASE, AND MADE US FEEL 1587 00:54:24,727 --> 00:54:27,193 BETTER ABOUT OURSELVES TO BOOT, 1588 00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:28,360 BUT IT WAS NEVER EVEN MENTIONED, 1589 00:54:28,427 --> 00:54:30,193 EVEN IN A COUNTRY THAT LOVES 1590 00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:36,894 "CHALLENGES" -, THE ICE BUCKET 1591 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,160 CHALLENGE, PLANKING, ALL THE 1592 00:54:38,226 --> 00:54:38,993 "THIS-WILL-MAKE-YOU-PUKE" 1593 00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:40,660 CHALLENGES. 1594 00:54:40,727 --> 00:54:44,026 CONDOMS UP YOUR NOSE. 1595 00:54:44,093 --> 00:54:45,993 THE MANNEQUIN CHALLENGE - QUITE 1596 00:54:46,060 --> 00:54:52,860 A CHALLENGE, THAT ONE. 1597 00:54:52,927 --> 00:54:53,860 WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE GOTTEN 1598 00:54:53,927 --> 00:54:56,760 BEHIND A REAL CHALLENGE LIKE, OH 1599 00:54:56,827 --> 00:54:57,794 I DON'T KNOW, "GETTING HEALTHY 1600 00:54:57,860 --> 00:54:59,093 SO THE VIRUS DOESN'T KILL YOU" 1601 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,126 CHALLENGE?! 1602 00:55:00,193 --> 00:55:01,794 BUT AS MICHELLE OBAMA FOUND OUT, 1603 00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:04,327 JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOUND 1604 00:55:04,393 --> 00:55:07,694 NUTRITIONAL ADVICE GETS YOU 1605 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,894 VILIFIED IN AMERICA. 1606 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,093 YOU'RE A HEALTH "NUT" - THAT'S 1607 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,960 WHAT WE SAY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO 1608 00:55:17,026 --> 00:55:18,026 JUST EAT RIGHT, THEY'RE "NUTS." 1609 00:55:18,093 --> 00:55:19,193 INTO WEIRD, HIPPIE SHIT, LIKE 1610 00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,727 VEGETABLES. 1611 00:55:22,794 --> 00:55:24,393 NO, WE NEED TO STOP GLAMORIZING 1612 00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:25,960 GLUTTONY. 1613 00:55:26,060 --> 00:55:26,993 DIABETES ISN'T JUST A THEORY. 1614 00:55:27,060 --> 00:55:29,427 AND WITH THIS VIRUS NOW? 1615 00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:33,593 ENABLERS AND GLORIFIERS ARE 1616 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:34,894 PLAYING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES. 1617 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:35,860 IF YOU'RE ALWAYS ON ABOUT HOW 1618 00:55:35,927 --> 00:55:37,593 THIS IS A LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE - 1619 00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:39,560 AND IT IS - WE CAN'T HAVE "BODY 1620 00:55:39,627 --> 00:55:41,360 POSITIVITY" BE A THIRD RAIL 1621 00:55:41,427 --> 00:55:43,360 ANYMORE. 1622 00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:46,493 POLITICAL CORRECTNESS CAN KILL, 1623 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,660 I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE - THIS ISSUE 1624 00:55:48,727 --> 00:55:51,827 IS TOO FUNDAMENTAL TO WHO LIVES 1625 00:55:51,894 --> 00:55:53,560 AND WHO DIES, AND TO HOW 1626 00:55:53,627 --> 00:55:54,427 SUCCESSFUL AMERICA IS GOING TO 1627 00:55:54,493 --> 00:55:55,327 BE IN GETTING OUT OF THIS 1628 00:55:55,393 --> 00:55:57,427 CRISIS. 1629 00:55:57,493 --> 00:55:58,627 OKAY, THAT'S OUR SHOW. 1630 00:55:58,694 --> 00:55:59,960 I WANT TO THANK MY GUESTS KERRY 1631 00:56:00,026 --> 00:56:01,993 WASHINGTON, THOMAS CHATTERTON 1632 00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:03,026 WILLIAMS, BARI WEISS AND JIM 1633 00:56:03,093 --> 00:56:04,393 CARREY. 1634 00:56:04,460 --> 00:56:09,160 WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK. 1635 00:56:09,226 --> 00:56:13,460 PROBABLY IN MY BACKYARD. 1636 00:56:39,293 --> 00:56:41,727 MAN: You need to decide what kinda person you wanna be.