1 00:00:01,233 --> 00:00:09,733 ♪♪ 2 00:00:29,533 --> 00:00:31,600 -Tonight, the CDC is confirming 3 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,900 a man in Washington state has the first case in the U.S.... 4 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:33,966 -A mystery virus in China. 5 00:00:33,966 --> 00:00:35,133 -...of a new and deadly coronavirus. 6 00:00:35,133 --> 00:00:38,100 -It's very likely an animal to human jump. 7 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:39,600 -The World Health Organization today 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,833 declared the coronavirus a global pandemic. 9 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:43,833 -There was a time when we thought we were going 10 00:00:43,833 --> 00:00:47,533 to get hit by an al-Qaeda bioterror attack. 11 00:00:47,533 --> 00:00:50,566 There was Zika, Ebola. 12 00:00:50,566 --> 00:00:53,900 This is completely unprecedented. 13 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:55,833 -Coronavirus has changed life -Residents now being ordered 14 00:00:55,833 --> 00:00:57,033 -in America. -to stay indoors. 15 00:00:57,033 --> 00:00:58,866 -I feel helpless. 16 00:00:58,866 --> 00:01:03,400 -We have very little problem in this country at this moment. 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,633 -The risk of serious illness to the average American 18 00:01:06,633 --> 00:01:09,066 for the coronavirus is low. 19 00:01:09,066 --> 00:01:12,366 -66,000 people that have succumbed to this virus 20 00:01:12,366 --> 00:01:14,400 in just six weeks. 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,100 -I'm probably not going to fully realize 22 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:18,300 what the hell went on until after it's over. 23 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:19,900 -Is the worst yet to come, Dr. Fauci? 24 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:21,400 -Yes, it is. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,966 -People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots. 26 00:01:24,966 --> 00:01:26,333 -[ Chanting, clapping ] Fire Fauci! Fire Fauci! 27 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:27,566 -It's "You made the virus. 28 00:01:27,566 --> 00:01:29,200 Fauci created the virus." 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,166 -The man now believes he's 30 00:01:30,166 --> 00:01:31,800 a deity accountable to no one. 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,433 -He's been lying to the American people. 32 00:01:33,433 --> 00:01:34,866 -He represents Joseph Mengele. 33 00:01:34,866 --> 00:01:35,866 -It's time for Tony Fauci 34 00:01:35,866 --> 00:01:37,300 to be held accountable. 35 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:44,700 -I worry less about the future, related to COVID-19, 36 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:48,166 than I do to the fate of our country. 37 00:01:48,166 --> 00:01:56,233 ♪♪ 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,900 ♪♪ 39 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:18,700 You cannot believe what's going on. 40 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:21,200 I don't even have time to explain it to you, 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,500 but it's just ...killing me. 42 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:28,833 There are so many gaps that should not have been gaps, 43 00:02:28,833 --> 00:02:31,633 if people were doing things correctly. 44 00:02:31,633 --> 00:02:34,033 Not us, but you know what I mean. 45 00:02:34,833 --> 00:02:36,800 -Please leave a message after the tone. 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,200 [ Beep] -I've just got five documents 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,633 that I have to read 48 00:02:40,633 --> 00:02:43,433 for my 3:30 briefing with the White House. 49 00:02:43,433 --> 00:02:45,300 It would take me a month to read them. 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,566 There's no doubt that these variants are going 51 00:02:51,566 --> 00:02:53,333 to keep arising, one after the other, 52 00:02:53,333 --> 00:02:55,033 after the other, after the other. 53 00:02:55,033 --> 00:02:56,900 [ Laughs ] You know, 54 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:59,433 on a lighter note, the only thing I could think of, 55 00:02:59,433 --> 00:03:01,566 when the variants came up, 56 00:03:01,566 --> 00:03:03,900 was Roseanne Roseannadanna, you know, 57 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:05,433 "If it ain't one thing, it's another." 58 00:03:05,433 --> 00:03:06,966 [ Laughs ] 59 00:03:09,033 --> 00:03:14,566 The other thing to show how responsive he and his group are, 60 00:03:14,566 --> 00:03:16,933 they wanted to have 29,000 people 61 00:03:16,933 --> 00:03:20,333 on the lower lawn, you know? 62 00:03:20,333 --> 00:03:24,233 And they called us together and we argued, 63 00:03:24,233 --> 00:03:26,433 "Please, literally, 64 00:03:26,433 --> 00:03:30,066 have a few hundred, not tens of thousands." 65 00:03:30,066 --> 00:03:34,333 And he put his ego aside and said, Okay," 66 00:03:34,333 --> 00:03:36,500 and they went for a few hundred. 67 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:40,133 Could you imagine convincing the other guy about that? 68 00:03:40,133 --> 00:03:42,866 [ Upbeat march plays  ] 69 00:03:42,866 --> 00:04:07,833 ♪♪ 70 00:04:07,833 --> 00:04:09,133 -Ladies and gentlemen, 71 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:11,666 the president-elect of the United States, 72 00:04:11,666 --> 00:04:13,600 Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,033 and Dr. Jill Biden. 74 00:04:15,033 --> 00:04:17,266 [ Cheering, whistling, and applause  ] 75 00:04:17,266 --> 00:04:25,366 ♪♪ 76 00:04:25,366 --> 00:04:29,433 -I got my second vaccine yesterday 77 00:04:29,433 --> 00:04:32,000 and I feel like...today. [ Blows nose ] 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,866 -We're entering what may be 79 00:04:33,866 --> 00:04:37,433 the toughest and deadliest period of the virus. 80 00:04:37,433 --> 00:04:38,900 We must set aside politics 81 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:43,900 and finally face this pandemic as one nation. 82 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:45,000 One nation. 83 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,300 [ Applause  ] 84 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:48,466 As the Bible says... 85 00:04:48,466 --> 00:04:54,333 -It's eerie that, around this day, a year ago, 86 00:04:54,333 --> 00:04:56,333 was the first recognized case 87 00:04:56,333 --> 00:04:58,500 of COVID-19 in the United States. 88 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:02,600 [ Applause and whistling  89 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:02,600 ] 90 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,400 Today is a combination of so many different things. 91 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,833 It's kind of a diffusion of an incredible amount 92 00:05:11,833 --> 00:05:17,966 of pent-up tension and holding back of despair. 93 00:05:17,966 --> 00:05:19,866 -When day comes, we ask ourselves, 94 00:05:19,866 --> 00:05:24,966 where can we find light in this never-ending shade? 95 00:05:24,966 --> 00:05:28,166 The loss we carry, a sea we must wade. 96 00:05:28,166 --> 00:05:31,300 We've braved the belly of the beast. 97 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:37,400 -♪ Amazing grace, how sweet...  ♪ 98 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,333 -The stress of the fact that you're responsible 99 00:05:40,333 --> 00:05:43,900 for something that's killing a lot of people, 100 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:47,033 400,000 individual people. 101 00:05:47,033 --> 00:05:49,633 -♪ A wretch  102 00:05:47,033 --> 00:05:49,633 ♪ 103 00:05:49,633 --> 00:05:52,833 -People were seeing their loved ones dying 104 00:05:52,833 --> 00:05:55,633 without even being able to be near them. 105 00:05:55,633 --> 00:06:00,566 -♪ I once was lost  106 00:05:55,633 --> 00:06:00,566 ♪ 107 00:06:00,566 --> 00:06:05,700 ♪ But now I'm found  ♪ 108 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:15,333 ♪ Was blind but now I see  109 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:15,333 ♪ 110 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:16,633 -Yeah. -Alright! 111 00:06:16,633 --> 00:06:19,600 [ Cheering and applause  ] 112 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,200 -Whoo! 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,033 [ Phone ringing ] 114 00:06:28,766 --> 00:06:29,733 Jared. 115 00:06:29,733 --> 00:06:33,300 [ Indistinct talking on TV  ] 116 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:35,733 -And, really, it's been an honor working with you 117 00:06:35,733 --> 00:06:37,066 and thank you for all your help 118 00:06:37,066 --> 00:06:39,033 through this challenging period. 119 00:06:39,033 --> 00:06:42,533 I know you still have the burden on your shoulders. 120 00:06:42,533 --> 00:06:43,700 -[ Laughing ] Right. 121 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:45,800 -But I know you'll carry it. 122 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,266 -Thanks. Thanks a lot. 123 00:06:47,266 --> 00:06:49,333 Send my best to Ivanka. Take care. 124 00:06:49,333 --> 00:06:51,766 -Okay. -Got it. Right. Bye-bye. 125 00:06:54,366 --> 00:06:56,833 That's interesting. That was Jared Kushner. 126 00:07:00,766 --> 00:07:02,700 [ Phone ringing ] 127 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:12,833 [ Ringing continues ] 128 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,300 ♪♪ 129 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,566 This is my seventh administration. 130 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,466 I've never been anywhere near a transition like this. 131 00:07:33,466 --> 00:07:34,433 Hey. [ Grunts ] 132 00:07:35,666 --> 00:07:36,766 Not even close. 133 00:07:39,366 --> 00:07:41,500 We've been through hell. 134 00:07:43,866 --> 00:07:46,133 It would've been very, very difficult, 135 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:47,866 under the best of circumstances, 136 00:07:47,866 --> 00:07:50,666 to be going through a historic pandemic. 137 00:07:52,700 --> 00:07:54,966 You superimpose upon that 138 00:07:54,966 --> 00:07:59,200 the complete craziness that's gone on. 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,433 [ Siren wailing ] 140 00:08:01,433 --> 00:08:02,133 What's this? 141 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:07,100 [ Siren wailing ] 142 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:08,566 -You guys all together? -Yeah. 143 00:08:08,566 --> 00:08:10,166 -Alright. -Thank you. 144 00:08:13,533 --> 00:08:14,233 -Yikes! 145 00:08:16,766 --> 00:08:17,800 Boy, oh, boy. 146 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,000 They're not fooling around, are they? 147 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,800 I think about that crazy mob 148 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,266 storming the Capitol a couple of weeks ago, 149 00:08:29,266 --> 00:08:31,066 trying to hang 150 00:08:31,066 --> 00:08:33,333 the vice president of the United States. 151 00:08:33,333 --> 00:08:43,133 ♪♪ 152 00:08:43,133 --> 00:08:46,033 Like what the hell is going on here? 153 00:08:46,033 --> 00:08:49,433 [ Rotors whirring ] 154 00:08:49,433 --> 00:08:52,900 [ Radio chatter  ] 155 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:55,866 -We are pleased to have Dr. Fauci here with us 156 00:08:55,866 --> 00:08:58,566 as part of the president's commitment 157 00:08:58,566 --> 00:09:01,666 to have public health experts lead our communication 158 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:03,966 with the American people about the pandemic. 159 00:09:03,966 --> 00:09:06,000 With that, I will turn it over to Dr. Fauci. 160 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,066 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 161 00:09:09,833 --> 00:09:11,133 -Thank you very much 162 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:13,200 and I'm going to just spend a couple of minutes 163 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,266 just summarizing the status of where we are. 164 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:18,433 I'm sort of getting a déjà vu standing up here, 165 00:09:18,433 --> 00:09:20,200 because I said something like this 166 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,900 almost a little bit less than a year ago. 167 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:28,766 ♪♪ 168 00:09:28,766 --> 00:09:33,000 We were talking about the acceleration of cases 169 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,066 in the late winter, early spring of 2020. 170 00:09:37,066 --> 00:09:41,466 ♪♪ 171 00:09:41,466 --> 00:09:44,166 We are still in a very serious situation. 172 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:47,400 I mean, to have over 400,000 deaths is something 173 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,966 that, you know, is, unfortunately, historic 174 00:09:49,966 --> 00:09:52,266 in a very -- in a very bad sense. 175 00:09:52,266 --> 00:09:55,000 ♪♪ 176 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,533 -In your view, what would've been different 177 00:09:57,533 --> 00:10:00,100 in terms of the trajectory of this outbreak from the start 178 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,166 had a team like this been in place at the beginning? 179 00:10:03,166 --> 00:10:04,866 -One of the things that was very clear 180 00:10:04,866 --> 00:10:07,566 as recently as about 15 minutes ago 181 00:10:07,566 --> 00:10:09,233 when I was with the President 182 00:10:09,233 --> 00:10:11,433 is that one of the things that we're going to do 183 00:10:11,433 --> 00:10:15,566 is to be completely transparent, open, and honest. 184 00:10:15,566 --> 00:10:18,900 ♪♪ 185 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:21,633 If things go wrong, 186 00:10:21,633 --> 00:10:24,433 not point fingers, but to correct them... 187 00:10:24,433 --> 00:10:26,833 ♪♪ 188 00:10:26,833 --> 00:10:28,566 ...and to make everything we do 189 00:10:28,566 --> 00:10:31,566 be based on science and evidence. 190 00:10:31,566 --> 00:10:34,533 ♪♪ 191 00:10:34,533 --> 00:10:36,633 I mean, I always said everything on the base -- 192 00:10:36,633 --> 00:10:38,900 that's why I got in trouble sometimes, right? 193 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:40,566 [ Laughter ] 194 00:10:40,566 --> 00:10:42,200 ♪♪ 195 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,300 -You basically vanished for a few months there for a while. 196 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:48,066 You feel like you're back now? 197 00:10:48,066 --> 00:10:50,166 -I think so. [ Laughter ] 198 00:10:50,166 --> 00:10:51,800 Okay. 199 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,100 It's totally different. 200 00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:59,266 The President says, "All I want is science and the truth." 201 00:10:59,266 --> 00:11:01,100 -Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. 202 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:03,266 They were very pleased at the press conference. 203 00:11:03,266 --> 00:11:05,300 As soon as you wrapped up, I got an immediate note 204 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:07,666 saying, "He knocked it out of the park." 205 00:11:07,666 --> 00:11:10,000 -Yeah. Good. Good. Great. 206 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,666 -Alright. -Thanks. 207 00:11:11,666 --> 00:11:16,333 ♪♪ 208 00:11:16,333 --> 00:11:17,666 [ Whistling ] 209 00:11:17,666 --> 00:11:32,433 ♪♪ 210 00:11:32,433 --> 00:11:34,133 Everybody wants to know when we can get back 211 00:11:34,133 --> 00:11:37,433 to some form of normality, 212 00:11:37,433 --> 00:11:39,366 and I think everybody needs to realize 213 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:42,800 it's not gonna be like a light switch. 214 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,666 The President gets it. 215 00:11:44,666 --> 00:11:47,733 This is not easy. 216 00:11:47,733 --> 00:11:51,400 He also made it very clear that the world 217 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,133 is not going to be able to handle a global pandemic, 218 00:11:55,133 --> 00:11:58,166 nor are we, if we dissociate ourselves 219 00:11:58,166 --> 00:12:00,400 from the rest of the world. 220 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,466 -Can I ask one question? -Sure. 221 00:12:02,466 --> 00:12:05,133 -In anticipation of this World Health Assembly thing 222 00:12:05,133 --> 00:12:07,400 you're doing on Thursday morning, 223 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,833 when is this being announced? 224 00:12:08,833 --> 00:12:10,866 What exactly are you doing? 225 00:12:10,866 --> 00:12:12,833 What do we tell reporters who start asking, 226 00:12:12,833 --> 00:12:14,833 "Hey, I hear Dr. Fauci is doing something 227 00:12:14,833 --> 00:12:16,133 for the World Health Assembly"? 228 00:12:16,133 --> 00:12:17,700 -It's going to be a big deal. 229 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:20,166 I'm going to officially announce 230 00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:22,766 that we're going back into the WHO. 231 00:12:22,766 --> 00:12:25,066 Everything that we wanted done 232 00:12:25,066 --> 00:12:27,200 that the Trump administration didn't want to do 233 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,166 has been completely overridden by this. 234 00:12:29,166 --> 00:12:31,633 So it's going to be huge. 235 00:12:31,633 --> 00:12:33,466 -Dr. Fauci? Dr. Grady called. 236 00:12:33,466 --> 00:12:35,066 -Good. I got it. Thanks. 237 00:12:35,066 --> 00:12:36,966 [ Keypad dialing ] 238 00:12:40,533 --> 00:12:43,733 [ Line ringing  ] 239 00:12:43,733 --> 00:12:47,266 Did you take a look at my speech? 240 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:48,966 Well, you know why this is going to be good? 241 00:12:48,966 --> 00:12:50,733 Because I'm speaking on behalf of the President 242 00:12:50,733 --> 00:12:52,100 of the United States. 243 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:53,766 [ Chuckles ] You'll love it. 244 00:12:53,766 --> 00:12:55,166 [ Chuckles ] 245 00:12:57,533 --> 00:12:59,500 Chris isn't back yet? No? 246 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:01,066 I got to have something to eat, 247 00:13:01,066 --> 00:13:04,566 and I just... don't want to eat crap. 248 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:11,366 This is -- This is living on the fly, man. 249 00:13:11,366 --> 00:13:16,966 Add a little garlic for -- to keep the evil spirits away. 250 00:13:16,966 --> 00:13:18,833 [ Beeping ] 251 00:13:18,833 --> 00:13:21,466 [ Doorbell rings ] 252 00:13:21,466 --> 00:13:22,933 David. 253 00:13:22,933 --> 00:13:24,933 -So you're not going to use your background tomorrow morning. 254 00:13:24,933 --> 00:13:27,233 We're going to use a filter. 255 00:13:27,233 --> 00:13:28,666 -Yeah. I don't want anything fancy. 256 00:13:28,666 --> 00:13:31,000 I don't really give a -- -It's just the NIAID -- 257 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,466 The logo. -No, no. 258 00:13:33,466 --> 00:13:34,966 I don't like things in the back. 259 00:13:34,966 --> 00:13:36,866 -It's whatever you have at the office, 260 00:13:36,866 --> 00:13:38,666 like, at the conference room -- that's what I have. 261 00:13:38,666 --> 00:13:40,533 Nothing fancy. -Yeah, but are you gonna -- 262 00:13:40,533 --> 00:13:41,766 -I'll show it to you. 263 00:13:41,766 --> 00:13:43,166 You do your thing, and I'll show you. 264 00:13:43,166 --> 00:13:44,866 You say yes or no. 265 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:46,500 -Alright. 266 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:51,033 Now I can't find where the hell my... 267 00:13:54,733 --> 00:13:57,100 Nothing's just -- Everything's gettin'...up today. 268 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:58,866 ...it. 269 00:14:01,833 --> 00:14:04,933 -David, what's the decision about tomorrow morning at 4:00? 270 00:14:04,933 --> 00:14:06,900 Are you -- Is he going to be in the office 271 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:08,766 or is he gonna be at home? -Home. 272 00:14:08,766 --> 00:14:12,233 So, what I have right now, what you're seeing, is a filter. 273 00:14:12,233 --> 00:14:14,533 -Listen. Why don't we take a deep breath? 274 00:14:14,533 --> 00:14:17,366 What I would like is that, okay? 275 00:14:17,366 --> 00:14:19,233 Done. -Done. That's easier for me. 276 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:21,300 -Okay? -Easier for me. 277 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:23,333 -No, no, seriously, David. 278 00:14:23,333 --> 00:14:25,133 I mean, I know you're trying to make it look like a -- 279 00:14:25,133 --> 00:14:26,633 I don't give a... Because you see this -- 280 00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:27,833 the way you're moving around now? 281 00:14:27,833 --> 00:14:30,100 Looks like somebody's carving around your head. 282 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:31,633 Don't you agree, Greg? -Yeah. 283 00:14:31,633 --> 00:14:33,466 Because I don't have a green screen. 284 00:14:33,466 --> 00:14:35,700 That makes a hundred -- Done. That's all it took. 285 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:37,866 -There's nothing wrong with my books. Trust me. 286 00:14:37,866 --> 00:14:39,700 -No. You're fine. No. That's good. 287 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:42,433 This is actually easier for me. 288 00:14:42,433 --> 00:14:45,066 -So, while I have you guys here, 289 00:14:45,066 --> 00:14:47,600 the thing that I'm getting a real anxiety reaction 290 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,466 is, this is one of the most huge things 291 00:14:50,466 --> 00:14:52,833 that's been announced by the federal government. 292 00:14:52,833 --> 00:14:55,300 Technically, we can't...it up, 293 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:57,766 because it will be the world's biggest embarrassment 294 00:14:57,766 --> 00:15:00,933 and will completely piss off Biden 295 00:15:00,933 --> 00:15:03,566 if all of a sudden we're not connected. 296 00:15:03,566 --> 00:15:04,800 Alright? 297 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,800 -Absolutely, absolutely. 298 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,200 ♪♪ 299 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:11,166 -Hi, there. 300 00:15:13,866 --> 00:15:16,166 -I can't kiss you with your mask on. 301 00:15:17,866 --> 00:15:20,566 -I'm ready. 302 00:15:20,566 --> 00:15:24,066 This is a very uncomfortable chair here. 303 00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:27,366 But we're not going to do anything about it now. 304 00:15:27,366 --> 00:15:28,900 Make sure we get the volume right 305 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:30,333 because of my hearing. 306 00:15:30,333 --> 00:15:32,833 -It's on the highest possible. 307 00:15:32,833 --> 00:15:34,333 Is Chris there? 308 00:15:34,333 --> 00:15:36,933 -Dr. Grady? 309 00:15:36,933 --> 00:15:38,333 Dr. Fauci. 310 00:15:38,333 --> 00:15:40,400 -They may not show it live, so if you want to hear me do it, 311 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,666 you should be in here. 312 00:15:42,666 --> 00:15:44,500 -Oh, I was just going to stand right outside. 313 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:46,633 -Sit on that chair. They can't see you. 314 00:15:50,833 --> 00:15:52,300 [ Laughter ] 315 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:54,300 -Disconnected everything. 316 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:56,466 ♪♪ 317 00:15:56,466 --> 00:15:57,866 So, I guess when they start talking, 318 00:15:57,866 --> 00:15:59,300 I have to raise my hand. 319 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:01,233 -No, you see this little hand right here? 320 00:16:01,233 --> 00:16:03,166 This is the hand that we're talking about. 321 00:16:03,166 --> 00:16:04,733 So you don't need to do anything. 322 00:16:04,733 --> 00:16:06,100 -I don't need to do that? 323 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:07,966 -No, no, no, no, no, no. So, this is the hand. 324 00:16:07,966 --> 00:16:09,400 As soon as I click on this button, 325 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,800 your hand is going to appear right here. 326 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,066 -Okay. -Yeah. 327 00:16:12,066 --> 00:16:13,566 -Got it. 328 00:16:13,566 --> 00:16:18,433 -Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. 329 00:16:18,433 --> 00:16:20,633 Before we begin... -Raise my hand? 330 00:16:20,633 --> 00:16:24,000 -...I understand from the secretary 331 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,033 that the delegation has raised their hand 332 00:16:27,033 --> 00:16:30,766 and requested to take the floor. 333 00:16:30,766 --> 00:16:33,133 -One second. I'm still... 334 00:16:35,866 --> 00:16:39,333 Here. -Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 335 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:41,833 Director General Dr. Tedros, 336 00:16:41,833 --> 00:16:46,300 distinguished representatives, friends, and colleagues. 337 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:48,300 It is an honor for me to be here, 338 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:51,400 representing the United States of America. 339 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,000 On behalf of the newly inaugurated 340 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,933 Biden/Harris administration, 341 00:16:56,933 --> 00:17:02,100 I am honored to announce that the United States 342 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:06,466 will remain a member of the World Health Organization. 343 00:17:06,466 --> 00:17:09,933 -Thank you. Thank you so much, my brother, Tony. 344 00:17:09,933 --> 00:17:13,100 And welcome to the WHO Executive Board 345 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:17,500 as head of delegation for the United States of America. 346 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:19,866 This is a good day for WHO 347 00:17:19,866 --> 00:17:23,133 and a good day for global health. 348 00:17:23,133 --> 00:17:25,833 -This is historic. -Yeah. 349 00:17:25,833 --> 00:17:28,333 -Rejoining the WHO, 350 00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:31,066 that was an extraordinary moment. 351 00:17:31,066 --> 00:17:33,533 You could feel the relief 352 00:17:33,533 --> 00:17:36,633 of the representatives from the other countries. 353 00:17:36,633 --> 00:17:39,033 The texts were coming in. 354 00:17:39,033 --> 00:17:40,966 It's a feeling of freedom. 355 00:17:40,966 --> 00:17:44,400 Sort of an unshackling of, not just on me personally, 356 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,966 but on the entire system, 357 00:17:46,966 --> 00:17:49,566 that you could let science speak. 358 00:17:49,566 --> 00:17:53,300 ♪♪ 359 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:54,566 During the Trump administration, 360 00:17:54,566 --> 00:17:55,733 I had to come out 361 00:17:55,733 --> 00:17:58,933 when things that were not factually true, 362 00:17:58,933 --> 00:18:02,833 that were not scientifically true were said. 363 00:18:02,833 --> 00:18:04,133 I had to get up. 364 00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:07,066 I felt it was my responsibility 365 00:18:07,066 --> 00:18:09,300 to, one, preserve my integrity, 366 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:11,300 and, two, my responsibility 367 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:14,733 to the American public as a scientist 368 00:18:14,733 --> 00:18:18,800 to say, "No, I'm sorry, but that's not the case. 369 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,966 This drug does not work. 370 00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:24,400 This intervention is bogus. 371 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,733 The virus is not going to disappear in a week. 372 00:18:27,733 --> 00:18:30,266 It's not going to go away when the weather gets warm." 373 00:18:30,266 --> 00:18:32,400 I mean, I had to -- 374 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,233 And that completely pissed off 375 00:18:36,233 --> 00:18:39,966 a certain segment of our population, 376 00:18:39,966 --> 00:18:43,533 thinking that I was the anti-Trump person. 377 00:18:43,533 --> 00:18:46,000 I was not anti-Trump. 378 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,100 I was anti-misinformation. 379 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:49,333 ♪♪ 380 00:18:49,333 --> 00:18:51,633 You have the President getting up saying, 381 00:18:51,633 --> 00:18:55,300 "You're an idiot," or, "He's wrong," many times. 382 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,666 "He's a Democrat. 383 00:18:57,666 --> 00:18:59,433 He's against us." 384 00:18:59,433 --> 00:19:02,066 You want to say, "Are you...kidding me? 385 00:19:02,066 --> 00:19:04,766 I'm wrong?" [ Laughs ] 386 00:19:04,766 --> 00:19:06,533 The stress on a daily basis 387 00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:08,766 that you're gonna say something -- 388 00:19:08,766 --> 00:19:10,633 and you know it's true -- 389 00:19:10,633 --> 00:19:14,900 and then you could expect 10:30, 11:00 at night, 390 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:18,000 you're gonna get a phone call, caller unknown. 391 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,666 You know what that is. 392 00:19:19,666 --> 00:19:22,000 The President wants to talk to you, 393 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,700 getting very upset that you said something 394 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:26,700 that was absolutely true. 395 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:28,966 People would text me or phone me, 396 00:19:28,966 --> 00:19:31,200 "Oh, my God. Are you okay? Are you okay?" 397 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,300 And my feeling was, yeah, I'm fine. 398 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,066 This is a bunch of... 399 00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:38,400 President Trump and I were both born 400 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,066 and raised in New York City. 401 00:19:40,066 --> 00:19:42,266 You know, he has that New York swagger about him 402 00:19:42,266 --> 00:19:44,233 that I can relate to. 403 00:19:44,233 --> 00:19:49,266 I feel comfortable with that kind of bravado that he has. 404 00:19:49,266 --> 00:19:55,033 Went a long way to having us develop 405 00:19:55,033 --> 00:19:59,633 a reasonable relationship despite the conflict between us. 406 00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:04,233 He even says now -- now, after he's out of office 407 00:20:04,233 --> 00:20:07,700 and still criticizing the heck out of me, 408 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:11,333 he always says, "You know, but I kind of like him. 409 00:20:11,333 --> 00:20:14,233 But I never listened to anything he said." 410 00:20:14,233 --> 00:20:16,833 ♪♪ 411 00:20:16,833 --> 00:20:20,033 Even though what I'm saying and what I have said 412 00:20:20,033 --> 00:20:23,600 is exactly what the CDC is saying, 413 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,633 what most of the public-health officials are saying, 414 00:20:26,633 --> 00:20:29,266 what the Surgeon General has said -- 415 00:20:29,266 --> 00:20:32,500 but they aim it at me as the target of, 416 00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:34,833 "Oh, you were wrong on all these things." 417 00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:37,566 Well, no, we weren't wrong. 418 00:20:37,566 --> 00:20:42,933 ♪♪ 419 00:20:42,933 --> 00:20:46,233 The risk is low for the American people, 420 00:20:46,233 --> 00:20:48,866 but that could change. 421 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,666 -So, Dr. Fauci, it's Saturday morning in America. 422 00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:56,833 People are waking up right now 423 00:20:56,833 --> 00:20:58,266 with real concerns about this. 424 00:20:58,266 --> 00:20:59,566 They want to go to malls and 425 00:20:59,566 --> 00:21:02,000 movies, maybe the gym, as well. 426 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,433 Should we be changing our habits? 427 00:21:03,433 --> 00:21:04,866 And if so, how? 428 00:21:04,866 --> 00:21:06,700 -No, right now at this moment, 429 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:08,733 there is no need to change anything 430 00:21:08,733 --> 00:21:11,333 that you're doing on a day-by-day basis. 431 00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:14,133 Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. 432 00:21:14,133 --> 00:21:17,966 I've said that many times, even on this program. 433 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,933 -There's a lot of confusion among people 434 00:21:23,933 --> 00:21:26,600 and misinformation surrounding face masks. 435 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,500 Can you discuss that? 436 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:30,933 -Right now in the United States, 437 00:21:30,933 --> 00:21:33,866 people should not be walking around with masks. 438 00:21:33,866 --> 00:21:35,200 -You're sure of it? 439 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,366 Because people are listening really closely to this. 440 00:21:37,366 --> 00:21:38,800 -No. Right now people should not be walking -- 441 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,766 There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. 442 00:21:41,766 --> 00:21:44,700 When you're in the middle of an outbreak, 443 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:48,200 wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, 444 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,700 and it might even block a droplet, 445 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:54,266 but it's not providing the perfect protection 446 00:21:54,266 --> 00:21:56,400 that people think that it is. 447 00:22:00,466 --> 00:22:03,200 -Masks. Tell us about the thinking on that. 448 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,200 Because just a few days ago, 449 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,800 we were told that the thinking was it was not necessary. 450 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,700 -Putting a mask on yourself 451 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:14,766 is more to prevent you 452 00:22:14,766 --> 00:22:16,866 from infecting someone else. 453 00:22:16,866 --> 00:22:19,000 And if everybody does that, 454 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,800 we're each protecting each other. 455 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,166 So, this idea about going back and saying, 456 00:22:26,166 --> 00:22:28,200 "Well, you said you shouldn't wear a mask." 457 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,466 What we did, is that at the moment you ask a question, 458 00:22:33,466 --> 00:22:36,833 you've got to look at what scientific data 459 00:22:36,833 --> 00:22:39,733 were available at that time. 460 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:43,333 And there were things that we knew, which weren't a lot, 461 00:22:43,333 --> 00:22:45,466 and things that we didn't know. 462 00:22:45,466 --> 00:22:47,400 We didn't know what it meant 463 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,266 to have one or two people infected 464 00:22:50,266 --> 00:22:53,566 in a society that already doesn't like to wear masks. 465 00:22:53,566 --> 00:22:55,966 How would you like to say, "We have two cases now. 466 00:22:55,966 --> 00:22:57,900 Everybody wear a mask. 467 00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:59,066 And guess what. 468 00:22:59,066 --> 00:23:00,300 We have a shortage of masks, 469 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:02,566 and we didn't even know masks work"? 470 00:23:02,566 --> 00:23:06,833 No chance in the world that anyone would want to do that. 471 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:08,566 "Did you flip-flop?" 472 00:23:08,566 --> 00:23:11,766 No, you got additional information 473 00:23:11,766 --> 00:23:14,600 that made you change what you're saying. 474 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,933 And I'd be happy to debate that 475 00:23:16,933 --> 00:23:20,900 anywhere, any place, with anybody. 476 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:23,166 Thank you very much, Michael. Good to be with you. 477 00:23:23,166 --> 00:23:26,033 -Dr. Fauci, thanks so much for being with us this morning. 478 00:23:26,033 --> 00:23:27,466 -Yep. 479 00:23:27,466 --> 00:23:29,333 Most people see me and maybe think 480 00:23:29,333 --> 00:23:31,000 that the only thing I do is communicate. 481 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,466 Thanks. See you later. 482 00:23:32,466 --> 00:23:35,666 But -- [ Chuckles ] No, that's not the case. 483 00:23:35,666 --> 00:23:37,966 Brr! Whew! 484 00:23:39,733 --> 00:23:41,766 You get up 5:00 in the morning, 485 00:23:41,766 --> 00:23:45,233 you get in, you know, 6:30 or 6:45. 486 00:23:45,233 --> 00:23:47,933 You start off with the first meeting is at 7:30 487 00:23:47,933 --> 00:23:49,966 and you get maybe a couple of thousand -- 488 00:23:49,966 --> 00:23:51,900 truly no hyperbole -- 489 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:54,200 couple of thousand e-mails a day. 490 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,966 It's just so much freaking work! 491 00:23:56,966 --> 00:24:00,200 I mean, it's just -- it's a big cluster. 492 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,800 Let's get everything back the way it was, okay? 493 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,400 I'm going to be doing twice the amount of work now 494 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,733 because the Biden administration is calling me to do everything. 495 00:24:11,733 --> 00:24:15,466 I mean, they don't approve anything unless I say yes. 496 00:24:15,466 --> 00:24:17,466 [ Telephone rings ] 497 00:24:17,466 --> 00:24:20,933 My day job is to run a big organization. 498 00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:23,433 The NIAID is the National Institute of Allergy 499 00:24:23,433 --> 00:24:25,300 and Infectious Diseases. 500 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:28,666 It's one of the 27 institutes of the NIH, 501 00:24:28,666 --> 00:24:30,933 the National Institutes of Health. 502 00:24:30,933 --> 00:24:34,333 I have been doing that for 37 years. 503 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,833 I'm a scientist and a physician, 504 00:24:37,833 --> 00:24:40,500 not only because it's an important part of my identity, 505 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:42,500 but because you get a better feel 506 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:46,200 for the bigger picture of a disease. 507 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,333 I have trained and picked 508 00:24:48,333 --> 00:24:50,700 everybody who works for me right now. 509 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,400 They know my goal. 510 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,133 They know my vision, which is deeply steeped 511 00:24:57,133 --> 00:24:59,900 in science, clinical medicine, 512 00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:01,700 public health. 513 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:04,333 It isn't only COVID-19. 514 00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:09,533 It's malaria, tuberculosis, influenza, AIDS. 515 00:25:09,533 --> 00:25:11,166 This is the National Institute 516 00:25:11,166 --> 00:25:14,366 of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. 517 00:25:14,366 --> 00:25:18,166 We do the research to understand a disease 518 00:25:18,166 --> 00:25:21,266 and, importantly, to develop diagnostics, 519 00:25:21,266 --> 00:25:24,500 therapeutics, and vaccines. 520 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:28,466 With COVID-19, the basic research 521 00:25:28,466 --> 00:25:32,366 that led to almost every single vaccine 522 00:25:32,366 --> 00:25:34,366 that's been successful 523 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:37,833 was done by investigators in my institute, 524 00:25:37,833 --> 00:25:41,200 in the Vaccine Research Center. 525 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,600 My team, they did all of the exquisite research 526 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,166 to make the optimal immunogen 527 00:25:48,166 --> 00:25:52,233 to induce the best possible response to protect you. 528 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,400 That didn't happen overnight. 529 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,400 What happened that people don't see -- 530 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,933 what happened under the radar screen 531 00:26:00,933 --> 00:26:02,833 is that for decades 532 00:26:02,833 --> 00:26:08,566 before the development of the COVID-19 vaccine, 533 00:26:08,566 --> 00:26:12,700 basic and clinical research was progressively going along 534 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:16,833 to create what's called the vaccine platform 535 00:26:16,833 --> 00:26:19,800 so that when COVID-19 came along, 536 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,400 they just saw the sequence of the virus 537 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,100 that was put on the public database 538 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:27,200 by the Chinese on January 10th. 539 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,566 They were able, within days, to use that same concept -- 540 00:26:32,566 --> 00:26:36,800 bing -- to apply it immediately to COVID-19. 541 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,900 Usually that takes years. It took days. 542 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:45,566 Then the federal government, through Operation Warp Speed, 543 00:26:45,566 --> 00:26:50,233 made a investment of billions of dollars 544 00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:54,833 to start manufacturing millions of doses 545 00:26:54,833 --> 00:26:56,333 without knowing it worked. 546 00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:58,600 That is a big gamble. 547 00:26:59,233 --> 00:27:02,333 If it doesn't work, you lose billions of dollars. 548 00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:05,633 If it does work, you've saved a year. 549 00:27:05,633 --> 00:27:07,500 Did anybody know that my team 550 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,400 with Barney Graham, Jason McClellan, 551 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,333 Kizzmekia Corbett, and others -- 552 00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:16,000 that they were doing that 15, 20 years ago? 553 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,333 Nobody had any idea. 554 00:27:17,333 --> 00:27:20,366 Now all of a sudden you get this, really, 555 00:27:20,366 --> 00:27:23,933 medical scientific miracle. 556 00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:25,666 You get it in the muscle there, buddy? 557 00:27:25,666 --> 00:27:27,666 -Yes, sir. -All went in? The whole dose? 558 00:27:27,666 --> 00:27:30,600 -Yes, sir. Exactly, sir. Alright, sir. 559 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,000 -To be in a position of leadership 560 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,433 to help orchestrate that, 561 00:27:35,433 --> 00:27:39,633 I mean, that, to me, is one of the great payoffs 562 00:27:39,633 --> 00:27:44,066 and gratifications of years and years of work 563 00:27:44,066 --> 00:27:46,600 when very few people know what you're doing. 564 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,233 Rock 'n' roll. 565 00:27:52,233 --> 00:27:53,900 Listen, I got only a couple of minutes 566 00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:55,533 'cause I'm going to the White House. 567 00:27:55,533 --> 00:27:57,900 So what do we need? 568 00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:01,333 In addition to running a $6-billion institute, 569 00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,900 I have this other job. 570 00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:05,866 The President has entrusted me 571 00:28:05,866 --> 00:28:09,533 with being his Chief Medical Advisor. 572 00:28:09,533 --> 00:28:12,900 We meet with the President personally at least once a week 573 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,433 and sometimes a few times a week. 574 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,200 We brief the press with White House press briefings 575 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,166 two to three times a week. 576 00:28:21,166 --> 00:28:24,433 So they rely on me as kind of, like, the "senior" person 577 00:28:24,433 --> 00:28:25,833 on the team, which I am. 578 00:28:25,833 --> 00:28:27,766 You know, I'm so...old. You know? 579 00:28:27,766 --> 00:28:31,133 [ Laughs ] 580 00:28:31,133 --> 00:28:33,166 So why don't you just give them a really nice, 581 00:28:33,166 --> 00:28:35,500 "We're really sorry, but we're overwhelmed now"? 582 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,133 Alright. What have we got next? 583 00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:39,733 -The next thing is Italian Heritage Parade. 584 00:28:39,733 --> 00:28:41,400 They want you in 2022. 585 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,233 -[ Chuckles ] 586 00:28:44,233 --> 00:28:46,700 -You knew that was going to happen. 587 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,033 -Can I throw flowers out from the... 588 00:28:49,033 --> 00:28:51,133 [ Laughs ] 589 00:28:52,366 --> 00:28:54,266 Alright. Broadway. 590 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,366 -Broadway. Open "Chicago." 591 00:28:56,366 --> 00:28:58,266 Make a statement from the stage 592 00:28:58,266 --> 00:29:01,600 at the start of the performance. 593 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,833 -This would be the most fun thing in the world 594 00:29:03,833 --> 00:29:06,033 if we were not in the middle of an outbreak. 595 00:29:06,033 --> 00:29:08,000 -Yeah, I mean, I think it's an honor, 596 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,700 but there's a little bit of a hambone aspect to it. 597 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,800 You know? It's a little showbiz. 598 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,066 I would say decline just on that grounds. 599 00:29:16,066 --> 00:29:18,500 -Particularly the statement that they suggest 600 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:22,266 that you make would be really ridiculous. 601 00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:24,566 -Well, that's the beginning of the show. 602 00:29:24,566 --> 00:29:25,966 I mean, if you've seen -- 603 00:29:25,966 --> 00:29:28,466 Have you seen the show "Chicago"? 604 00:29:28,466 --> 00:29:29,900 -No, I... 605 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:32,800 -It starts off by somebody 606 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,633 getting up and saying, "Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. 607 00:29:36,633 --> 00:29:38,300 You're about to see a story of murder, 608 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,166 greed, corruption, violence, 609 00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:42,333 exploitation, adultery, and treachery -- 610 00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:44,966 all the things we hold near and dear to our heart." 611 00:29:44,966 --> 00:29:46,633 And then the show starts. 612 00:29:46,633 --> 00:29:48,800 It's kind of a funny way to start the show. 613 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,333 They want me to be the person to do that. 614 00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:53,700 -I just think it's shtick. 615 00:29:57,233 --> 00:30:00,933 -What happens if we have almost no infections in September? 616 00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:04,866 It's still shtick. 617 00:30:17,166 --> 00:30:20,800 -I got to grab my...mask. ...it. 618 00:30:22,233 --> 00:30:23,933 -Hey, Dr. Fauci. It's Wolf. Can you hear me? 619 00:30:23,933 --> 00:30:25,700 -Hey, Wolf. How you doing?  -Good. Thank you. 620 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:27,533 Thank you so much for everything you're doing. 621 00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:29,600 -Ah. My pleasure.  -Alright. 622 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,966 Jake is going to talk to you, but you're always welcome 623 00:30:31,966 --> 00:30:33,766 to join me, as well, whenever you want. 624 00:30:33,766 --> 00:30:35,166 -Tony, it's Jake. Can you hear me? 625 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:37,100 -I can hear well, Jake. Thanks. How you doing? 626 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:38,766 -Wolf told me -- When you weren't on, 627 00:30:38,766 --> 00:30:40,700 he said he never wants to talk to you again. 628 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:42,400 He never wants to interview you again. 629 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,500 I don't know. He's saying something else to you now. 630 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,133 He said you should only do interviews with me. 631 00:30:48,133 --> 00:30:50,966 And, to be honest, 632 00:30:50,966 --> 00:30:53,200 there were some anti-Italian epitaphs. 633 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,066 -[ Laughs ] 634 00:30:55,066 --> 00:30:57,866 -♪ He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom  635 00:30:55,066 --> 00:30:57,866 ♪ 636 00:30:57,866 --> 00:31:01,433 ♪ The highest honor, led the charge against Ebola and Zika  ♪ 637 00:31:01,433 --> 00:31:03,200 ♪ He makes McDreamy look sleazy  638 00:31:01,433 --> 00:31:03,200 ♪ 639 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,766 ♪ Dr. House, he can't keep up  ♪ 640 00:31:04,766 --> 00:31:07,400 ♪ He has the hottest body of work  ♪ 641 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,800 ♪ What's your name, man?  642 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,800 ♪ 643 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,233 ♪ Doctor Anthony Fauci  ♪ 644 00:31:11,233 --> 00:31:13,266 ♪ My name is Doctor Anthony Fauci  ♪ 645 00:31:13,266 --> 00:31:14,900 -[ Chuckles ] 646 00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:17,900 -♪ And there's a million things I haven't cured  ♪ 647 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:22,066 ♪ But just you wait, just you wait  ♪ 648 00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:24,500 ♪ Doctor Anthony Fauci  ♪ 649 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,433 -How about that for an introduction? 650 00:31:26,433 --> 00:31:28,666 -[ Laughs ] 651 00:31:28,666 --> 00:31:30,466 -Spike Lee, Dr. Fauci, take one. 652 00:31:30,466 --> 00:31:32,533 -No, say it again. Dr. Fauci first. Do it again. 653 00:31:32,533 --> 00:31:34,333 -Dr. Fauci and Spike, take one. 654 00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:38,133 -My first question is, what hospital were you born in? 655 00:31:38,133 --> 00:31:40,133 -[ Chuckles ] Brooklyn Hospital, Spike. 656 00:31:40,133 --> 00:31:41,566 -Yeah! 657 00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:45,000 -Peter Navarro saying I created the virus? 658 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,800 I mean, how bizarre is that? I mean, think about that. 659 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,066 I mean, is that a little weird? I mean, come on. 660 00:31:51,066 --> 00:31:55,933 It is always a stressful job because you get out there 661 00:31:55,933 --> 00:32:00,500 in front of millions of people on TV and you say something. 662 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:02,800 There are 25,000 people who are looking 663 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,100 for you to make one little slip, and then, "Ah! I gotcha!" 664 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,633 It isn't just me, Neil. 665 00:32:08,633 --> 00:32:11,433 -But wearing masks into 2022, Doctor? 666 00:32:11,433 --> 00:32:13,133 Do you still stand by that? 667 00:32:13,133 --> 00:32:15,366 -Neil, that was taken -- 668 00:32:15,366 --> 00:32:17,566 Come on. Let's get serious about this. 669 00:32:17,566 --> 00:32:20,733 That was taken totally out of context. 670 00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:22,566 You almost got to be like a computer check. 671 00:32:22,566 --> 00:32:24,300 As you're speaking, 672 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:27,033 you're doing spellchecks in your mind. 673 00:32:27,033 --> 00:32:29,800 I said, under certain circumstances, 674 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,200 that might be conceivable that we would have to, 675 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,966 but there are circumstances in which we may not have to. 676 00:32:36,966 --> 00:32:39,066 [ Laughs ] I'm laughing. 677 00:32:39,066 --> 00:32:41,233 People say, you know, "Fauci is going to inject a chip 678 00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:42,633 in you when you get vaccinated." 679 00:32:42,633 --> 00:32:45,900 Well, I have a chip in my own brain. 680 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,866 -I'll see you shortly. -What are we doing? 681 00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:49,033 -People  682 00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:49,033 magazine. 683 00:32:49,033 --> 00:32:52,233 -What time? 684 00:32:52,233 --> 00:32:54,100 -13 minutes. 685 00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,866 -My life is pretty uni-dimensional. 686 00:32:56,866 --> 00:32:58,566 There really isn't much that I do. 687 00:32:58,566 --> 00:33:01,966 It's 24/7 the same thing over and over again. 688 00:33:01,966 --> 00:33:04,766 I'm gonna go to the men's room, okay? 689 00:33:04,766 --> 00:33:08,833 I haven't had a single day off in, literally, over 14 months, 690 00:33:08,833 --> 00:33:11,133 but I think when this is all over, 691 00:33:11,133 --> 00:33:14,233 I'd just like to get together with my wife and my daughters, 692 00:33:14,233 --> 00:33:18,433 who I haven't physically seen in the same room, 693 00:33:18,433 --> 00:33:20,300 two or three of them, in over a year. 694 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:23,200 -Working on a couple talk sh-- late-night things. 695 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,366 Jimmy Kimmel, we have scheduled for May 4th. 696 00:33:25,366 --> 00:33:27,600 And I've been talking with Jimmy Fallon 697 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,266 about when best to do his show. 698 00:33:29,266 --> 00:33:31,233 They may want to do something with you 699 00:33:31,233 --> 00:33:33,600 leading into the Memorial Day Weekend. 700 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,433 Otherwise, they might want to do something with you 701 00:33:35,433 --> 00:33:37,866 in August, before schools go back. 702 00:33:37,866 --> 00:33:39,600 -Got it. 703 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,300 Hello there! 704 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,300 -Double espresso or flat espresso today? 705 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:45,766 -Double. Because I already had one. Thank you. 706 00:33:45,766 --> 00:33:48,900 Professor Koppel. -Your Eminence. 707 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:52,000 -How many interviews have you done over the past year? 708 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,800 -Hundreds. -Yeah? 709 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,033 -Hundreds. 710 00:33:56,033 --> 00:34:00,433 -Do you enjoy being America's most trusted doctor right now? 711 00:34:00,433 --> 00:34:02,700 -Well, I certainly want to be trusted. 712 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:07,966 I don't necessarily dwell on the attention that I've gotten. 713 00:34:07,966 --> 00:34:11,366 -So being one of the Sexiest Men Alive in People  magazine 714 00:34:11,366 --> 00:34:13,333 wasn't pleasurable at all? 715 00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:14,666 You're under oath, sir. 716 00:34:14,666 --> 00:34:17,200 I will remind you that you're under oath. 717 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,733 -Well, Stephen, briefly, 718 00:34:19,733 --> 00:34:21,633 it was sort of an interesting concept. 719 00:34:21,633 --> 00:34:24,733 When you realize how far it is from the truth, 720 00:34:24,733 --> 00:34:27,500 being somewhat of a realistic person, 721 00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:29,433 I then get back to my job. 722 00:34:29,433 --> 00:34:31,966 -I've wanted to have you on for a year. 723 00:34:31,966 --> 00:34:34,966 We've tried to have you on almost every week for a year. 724 00:34:34,966 --> 00:34:36,500 We couldn't ever get you. 725 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,300 Around January 20th, your schedule really opened up. 726 00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,133 What -- What changed? 727 00:34:41,133 --> 00:34:43,400 -[ Laughs ] Everything. 728 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,100 [ Laughter  ] 729 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:49,766 -Good! I hope it keeps changing. 730 00:34:49,766 --> 00:34:53,766 Now, I have been a fan of yours since before it was cool. 731 00:34:53,766 --> 00:34:58,800 Because I interviewed you almost exactly 10 years ago, 732 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,500 and I want to take a look at this clip. Jim? 733 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:05,300 -What's gonna be the next big hot news disease? 734 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:08,466 'Cause we had SARS, we had swine flu, we've had bird flu. 735 00:35:08,466 --> 00:35:10,166 And I want to get my graphics department 736 00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:12,333 working on the next thing 737 00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:15,400 that's going to scare the poop out of these people. 738 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,366 Turkey herpes? What's it gonna be? 739 00:35:18,366 --> 00:35:20,633 -The interesting thing is, we don't know. 740 00:35:20,633 --> 00:35:22,600 There is always a threat 741 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,066 of emerging and reemerging infections, 742 00:35:24,066 --> 00:35:27,433 and one of the real issues that we face is that nature 743 00:35:27,433 --> 00:35:29,566 is one of the worst terrorists in that respect. 744 00:35:29,566 --> 00:35:31,300 It just comes out of nowhere. 745 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,500 A lot of times, jumping species from an animal to a human. 746 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:35,766 -I know nature is dangerous. 747 00:35:35,766 --> 00:35:38,333 That's why I believe in pollution. Hit 'em first. 748 00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:41,466 Okay? It's kill or be killed. -Whatever. 749 00:35:41,466 --> 00:35:43,833 -As I said, you are sort of America's Doctor right now. 750 00:35:43,833 --> 00:35:45,933 People look to you for advice and for calm. 751 00:35:45,933 --> 00:35:48,766 Who's your Dr. Fauci? Who do you turn to? 752 00:35:48,766 --> 00:35:51,000 -You know, my Dr. Fauci, unquestionably -- 753 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200 has been that way for a very long time -- 754 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,100 is my wife, Christine Grady, who also works at the NIH. 755 00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:01,700 She's the chair of the Department of Bioethics. 756 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,600 -Last year was hard. 757 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,200 Part of what I had to do was make sure that he was okay 758 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,433 because he was killing himself. 759 00:36:10,433 --> 00:36:14,866 And so trying to make sure 760 00:36:14,866 --> 00:36:16,766 there was some -- I don't know -- 761 00:36:16,766 --> 00:36:18,300 Stability is not the right word, 762 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,033 but something that he could rely on at home, 763 00:36:21,033 --> 00:36:22,833 where he could come home and get food 764 00:36:22,833 --> 00:36:25,600 and get water and get sleep 765 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,233 and then go back and do it again. 766 00:36:27,233 --> 00:36:29,566 I mean, that became my mission. 767 00:36:29,566 --> 00:36:31,433 -The thing about coming back home, 768 00:36:31,433 --> 00:36:35,200 even when it was, you know, 11:30, 12:00, 769 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,433 and I was getting no sleep and things -- 770 00:36:38,433 --> 00:36:40,900 The idea of coming home 771 00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:45,633 to reality in its best form 772 00:36:45,633 --> 00:36:48,600 was absolutely essential. 773 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,466 -It was -- 774 00:36:50,466 --> 00:36:52,833 It still is, but it has been, 775 00:36:52,833 --> 00:36:56,500 from February of 2020 776 00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:01,133 until today, February of 2021... 777 00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:02,966 intense. 778 00:37:02,966 --> 00:37:04,333 Intense. 779 00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:07,466 -Yeah. 780 00:37:07,466 --> 00:37:09,466 Intensity is okay when it lets up, 781 00:37:09,466 --> 00:37:13,566 but when it never lets up, then you really got a problem. 782 00:37:13,566 --> 00:37:14,800 -Yeah. 783 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,533 [ Birds chirping ] 784 00:37:23,433 --> 00:37:25,633 -Hey, Isaac. -Morning. How are you, sir? 785 00:37:25,633 --> 00:37:28,033 -Good. Thanks. How are you? -Good. 786 00:37:28,033 --> 00:37:31,333 -Just on my way to the hearing. 787 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:32,833 Yeah. 788 00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:35,966 They had this crazy paper come out this morning 789 00:37:35,966 --> 00:37:38,500 that's completely misleading about the... 790 00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,233 Oh, my. 791 00:37:40,233 --> 00:37:42,100 It's such a just pain in the ass. 792 00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,233 It's so typical. 793 00:37:45,233 --> 00:37:47,066 Well, either this evening or tomorrow, 794 00:37:47,066 --> 00:37:49,666 because I'm knee deep in the hearing now. 795 00:37:49,666 --> 00:37:51,100 I can't be worried about -- 796 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:52,866 -Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. -No, not right now. 797 00:37:52,866 --> 00:37:54,466 -Okay. Good. We'll do both.  -Okay? 798 00:37:54,466 --> 00:37:56,466 -Bye. 799 00:37:56,466 --> 00:37:58,166 -Morning, sir. -Hey, Mike. 800 00:37:58,166 --> 00:38:00,366 -How you doing? -Good. Thanks. 801 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,800 -The chair now recognizes Mr. Jordan for five minutes. 802 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,933 -Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Fauci, when is the time? 803 00:38:08,933 --> 00:38:12,133 When do Americans get their freedom back? 804 00:38:12,133 --> 00:38:14,100 Can you put your microphone on, please? 805 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,733 -Sorry. 806 00:38:15,733 --> 00:38:17,700 When we get the level of infection 807 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:19,833 in this country low enough 808 00:38:19,833 --> 00:38:21,933 that it is not a really high threat -- 809 00:38:21,933 --> 00:38:24,033 -What is low enough? Give me a number. 810 00:38:24,033 --> 00:38:26,333 I mean, we had 15 days to slow the spread. 811 00:38:26,333 --> 00:38:28,166 Turned into one year of lost liberty. 812 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:31,233 What metrics, what measures -- what has to happen 813 00:38:31,233 --> 00:38:33,600 before Americans get their freedoms back? 814 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,166 -My message, Congressman Jordan, 815 00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:39,066 is to get as many people vaccinated 816 00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:41,900 as quickly as we possibly can 817 00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:44,833 to get the level of infection in this country low 818 00:38:44,833 --> 00:38:47,666 that it is no longer a threat. 819 00:38:47,666 --> 00:38:49,266 That is when. 820 00:38:49,266 --> 00:38:51,566 And I believe when that happens, you will see -- 821 00:38:51,566 --> 00:38:53,966 -What determines when? 822 00:38:53,966 --> 00:38:56,066 -I'm sorry. -What -- What measure? 823 00:38:56,066 --> 00:38:58,700 -I mean, are we just going to continue this forever 824 00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:00,600 or when do we get to the point -- 825 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,033 What measure, what standard, 826 00:39:02,033 --> 00:39:04,433 what objective outcome do we have to reach 827 00:39:04,433 --> 00:39:08,333 before Americans get their liberty and freedoms back? 828 00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:11,700 -You know, you're indicating liberty and freedom. 829 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:13,533 I look at it as a public-health measure 830 00:39:13,533 --> 00:39:15,833 to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital. 831 00:39:15,833 --> 00:39:18,233 -You don't think Americans' liberties have been threatened 832 00:39:18,233 --> 00:39:19,833 the last year, Dr. Fauci? 833 00:39:19,833 --> 00:39:22,200 They've been assaulted. Their liberties have. 834 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,400 -I don't look at this as a liberty thing, 835 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,100 Congressman Jordan. -Well, that's obvious. 836 00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:28,833 -I look at this as a public-health thing. 837 00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:31,200 -But -- -I disagree with you on that. 838 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,433 -You think the Constitution is suspended during a virus? 839 00:39:35,433 --> 00:39:37,433 During a pandemic? It's certainly not. 840 00:39:37,433 --> 00:39:39,900 Are we going to be here two years from now, wearing masks -- 841 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:41,133 -No, I don't... 842 00:39:41,133 --> 00:39:43,333 -...asking Dr. Fauci the same question? 843 00:39:43,333 --> 00:39:45,466 -You're ranting again. Let me just -- 844 00:39:45,466 --> 00:39:48,100 -No, I'm not ranting. -Yes, you are. You know -- 845 00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:49,533 -We can call that ranting. 846 00:39:49,533 --> 00:39:51,900 I actually call it standing up for the Constitution, 847 00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,233 which I take an oath to uphold, Dr. Fauci, 848 00:39:54,233 --> 00:39:56,400 every term that I serve in this Congress 849 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,800 representing the folks in the 4th District of Ohio. 850 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,766 So it is not ranting. It is defending the First Amendment. 851 00:40:01,766 --> 00:40:03,933 -Badgering. 852 00:40:03,933 --> 00:40:06,700 -And we'd like an answer, or your best guess, 853 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:08,633 since you've got an answer for everything else. 854 00:40:08,633 --> 00:40:09,833 What does it have to be? 855 00:40:09,833 --> 00:40:11,266 -Your time expired, sir. 856 00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:14,700 You need to respect the chair and shut your mouth. 857 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:16,666 -He's getting in right now. 858 00:40:21,833 --> 00:40:25,000 -[ Sighs ] 859 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,600 I didn't want to antagonize him too much 860 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,600 by saying he was ranting, but he was ranting. 861 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,666 So, one of the things I've learned from hearings like this, 862 00:40:33,666 --> 00:40:37,033 even though in some respects, it's a...show, 863 00:40:37,033 --> 00:40:39,166 the fact is, I have found, 864 00:40:39,166 --> 00:40:42,266 even when people who act like jerks, 865 00:40:42,266 --> 00:40:46,700 sometimes there is a kernel of truth in what they say. 866 00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:49,000 And it may be advantageous to say, 867 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,933 "Okay, should we be a little bit more flexible 868 00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:54,433 in telling people, 'Okay, fine. 869 00:40:54,433 --> 00:40:57,466 Here's the recommendations that we say 870 00:40:57,466 --> 00:40:59,400 where you can go and what you can do 871 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,466 after you've been vaccinated. 872 00:41:01,466 --> 00:41:05,933 However, if you want to take a risk, go take a risk.'" 873 00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:08,533 I mean, Jordan, you want to go to a restaurant, 874 00:41:08,533 --> 00:41:11,733 if you're vaccinated, go ahead, go for it. 875 00:41:11,733 --> 00:41:13,833 Maybe we should do a little bit more of that 876 00:41:13,833 --> 00:41:16,966 to maintain credibility so it doesn't look like 877 00:41:16,966 --> 00:41:18,933 we're just sort of, you know, 878 00:41:18,933 --> 00:41:22,066 very close-minded police people. 879 00:41:22,066 --> 00:41:23,833 You know? We're not. 880 00:41:23,833 --> 00:41:26,833 [ Laughs ] Take care. Bye. 881 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,233 [ Paper crinkling ] 882 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,600 I've developed, over the years, 883 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,366 the ability to be able to tolerate a whole bunch of... 884 00:41:48,366 --> 00:41:52,566 Only because the greater good of what you're trying to do 885 00:41:52,566 --> 00:41:55,600 completely supersedes the nonsense. 886 00:41:59,833 --> 00:42:01,300 When you think of all the time 887 00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,966 people like Jim Jordan and others throw that up at you, 888 00:42:04,966 --> 00:42:09,500 you think about it and you say to yourself, "You ass..." 889 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:11,700 "We're going to villainize you 890 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:16,566 so that my constituents can know that there's a bad guy there. 891 00:42:16,566 --> 00:42:18,000 You know, they need a boogeyman. 892 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,500 They need somebody that they could start smashing away at." 893 00:42:22,166 --> 00:42:24,300 I don't like this, you know, 894 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,100 "you macho against me macho" nonsense. 895 00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:28,866 But it reaches a point 896 00:42:28,866 --> 00:42:31,333 where you just don't take any...from anybody. 897 00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:33,200 I mean, whether that has to do 898 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,300 with my growing up in the streets of New York, 899 00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:38,900 where it was tough, I don't know. 900 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:48,900 I was born in Bensonhurst in Brooklyn, 1940. 901 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,566 My father was a pharmacist. 902 00:42:51,566 --> 00:42:54,933 My mother went to Hunter College. 903 00:42:54,933 --> 00:42:58,200 As soon as they started having children, 904 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,466 my mother became a full-time homemaker. 905 00:43:02,466 --> 00:43:05,366 When I was about 9 years old, 906 00:43:05,366 --> 00:43:09,400 my father bought his own pharmacy. 907 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,333 The pharmacist was kind of the neighborhood doctor. 908 00:43:13,333 --> 00:43:16,066 When people were going through tough times 909 00:43:16,066 --> 00:43:17,633 and need a prescription 910 00:43:17,633 --> 00:43:20,066 and they didn't have the money to pay for it, he would say, 911 00:43:20,066 --> 00:43:21,800 "No. Don't worry about it. Take it." 912 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,733 My sister and I used to say, 913 00:43:23,733 --> 00:43:26,166 "Dad, what is going on here? 914 00:43:26,166 --> 00:43:28,600 We're not exactly the richest people in the world." 915 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,733 We weren't. I mean, he didn't care. 916 00:43:30,733 --> 00:43:32,966 And I guess that spilled over to me. 917 00:43:32,966 --> 00:43:36,133 Public service is more important than financial gain. 918 00:43:36,133 --> 00:43:37,533 I mean, that was something 919 00:43:37,533 --> 00:43:42,033 that was embedded in us from the time we were born. 920 00:43:44,833 --> 00:43:46,933 I went to Cornell University Medical College, 921 00:43:46,933 --> 00:43:48,933 which is now Weill Cornell. 922 00:43:48,933 --> 00:43:51,133 Medical school was terrific. 923 00:43:51,133 --> 00:43:53,666 When you walk into medical school on the first day, 924 00:43:53,666 --> 00:43:55,133 you say, "God, I'd love 925 00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:59,133 to be one of the real heavy hitters in this place." 926 00:43:59,133 --> 00:44:03,366 Going from the classroom, actually on to the wards, 927 00:44:03,366 --> 00:44:05,700 putting on your white pants and your white jacket 928 00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:07,666 and you start acting like a doctor -- 929 00:44:07,666 --> 00:44:11,866 But you're not a doctor. You're a student. 930 00:44:11,866 --> 00:44:15,066 I can still feel that excitement. 931 00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:18,500 Excitement, intimidation, anxiety. 932 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:22,200 You don't want to make a mistake. 933 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,633 I loved it, 934 00:44:23,633 --> 00:44:28,100 and I fully wanted to just be a physician 935 00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:31,000 who just would take care of patients all day. 936 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,800 ♪♪ 937 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,066 It was the Vietnam War. 938 00:44:37,066 --> 00:44:40,466 All the physicians were automatically drafted. 939 00:44:40,466 --> 00:44:42,333 You had a choice -- 940 00:44:42,333 --> 00:44:44,566 in the Army, the Navy, 941 00:44:44,566 --> 00:44:46,733 the Air Force, or the Public Health Service. 942 00:44:47,733 --> 00:44:51,700 And I put in an application for the NIH, 943 00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:56,566 in the Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. 944 00:44:56,566 --> 00:44:59,300 My choice of infectious diseases and immunology is 945 00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:01,733 I wanted people that were really sick. 946 00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:06,500 My personality is something like, "Yes or no, bing bang." 947 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,566 A microbe can either kill you or you can get better. 948 00:45:09,566 --> 00:45:10,933 Life and death. 949 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,533 My mentor, who has played a very important part of my career, 950 00:45:17,533 --> 00:45:22,466 Shelly Wolf, had collected a large group of people 951 00:45:22,466 --> 00:45:26,300 that had prolonged fevers of unknown origin. 952 00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,233 And as it turned out, they had 953 00:45:28,233 --> 00:45:31,933 inflammatory diseases of the vessels called vasculitis. 954 00:45:31,933 --> 00:45:34,600 Whatever you did, almost all of these patients, 955 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,433 with few exceptions, died. 956 00:45:37,433 --> 00:45:42,733 What Shelly Wolf did, he gave me these patients and said, 957 00:45:42,733 --> 00:45:47,066 "Why don't you take this and make it your project?" 958 00:45:47,066 --> 00:45:51,433 We figured out that it was an autoimmune disorder. 959 00:45:51,433 --> 00:45:53,766 When we instituted therapy, 960 00:45:53,766 --> 00:45:56,500 they went into complete remission -- 961 00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:58,566 like 93% of them. 962 00:45:58,566 --> 00:46:02,500 It was like -- holy mackerel. What a breakthrough. 963 00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:06,433 The fact that we made a huge difference in a disease 964 00:46:06,433 --> 00:46:10,666 that was very, very confounding and perplexing 965 00:46:10,666 --> 00:46:16,500 totally cemented me into loving clinical research. 966 00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,133 Shelly Wolf said, "You know, you're really, 967 00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:21,466 really good as a clinical investigator. 968 00:46:21,466 --> 00:46:23,500 You're one of the best I've ever seen." 969 00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,266 And he said, "I believe that your career 970 00:46:26,266 --> 00:46:29,333 should be here at the NIH. 971 00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:32,000 I want to bring you as a tenured scientist," 972 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,166 which is unheard of. 973 00:46:33,166 --> 00:46:34,966 Nobody gets tenure like that. 974 00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:38,966 I was 28, 29. 975 00:46:38,966 --> 00:46:40,966 I said, "Wow. That's a great offer." 976 00:46:40,966 --> 00:46:44,500 I said, "The only trouble is, I've been offered a position 977 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:46,600 as chief resident in New York City." 978 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,133 And that's kind of what I always wanted to do. 979 00:46:51,133 --> 00:46:54,433 If you become a chief resident at Cornell, 980 00:46:54,433 --> 00:46:56,533 you would automatically get offered 981 00:46:56,533 --> 00:46:58,866 being a partner in a practice. 982 00:46:58,866 --> 00:47:01,166 Most of them were on Park Avenue or Fifth Avenue. 983 00:47:01,166 --> 00:47:02,933 It was quite elite. 984 00:47:02,933 --> 00:47:05,933 An incredible amount of money, I mean, a lot of money. 985 00:47:05,933 --> 00:47:09,166 Shelly Wolf -- He said, "Go to New York, 986 00:47:09,166 --> 00:47:11,333 do the year of chief residency. 987 00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:13,733 If you feel like you want to come back, 988 00:47:13,733 --> 00:47:16,366 I have a permanent position here for you." 989 00:47:16,366 --> 00:47:18,266 So I went to New York. 990 00:47:18,266 --> 00:47:20,600 It was one of the most enjoyable years of my life 991 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,833 because it was pure clinical medicine -- 992 00:47:22,833 --> 00:47:24,933 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. 993 00:47:24,933 --> 00:47:28,966 I was single. I had no commitments to anybody. 994 00:47:28,966 --> 00:47:30,633 ♪♪ 995 00:47:30,633 --> 00:47:33,500 I just jumped into it and loved every minute of it. 996 00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:36,400 I literally worked every single day. 997 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,400 I mean, I was on every other night and every other weekend, 998 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,900 but I was in the hospital 999 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,166 even on days when I shouldn't have been. 1000 00:47:42,166 --> 00:47:44,566 ♪♪ 1001 00:47:44,566 --> 00:47:47,000 I was very good at it, with all due respect and modesty. 1002 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,433 I was quite good and still am. 1003 00:47:49,433 --> 00:47:51,666 But back then, it was like 1004 00:47:51,666 --> 00:47:55,600 I was at the peak of my clinical skills. 1005 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,533 Okay. Sounds clear. Look good. 1006 00:47:59,533 --> 00:48:01,233 So have you been getting up and going around -- 1007 00:48:01,233 --> 00:48:03,366 You could just look at the patient, 1008 00:48:03,366 --> 00:48:06,433 and you're two thirds of the way knowing what's going on. 1009 00:48:06,433 --> 00:48:08,066 It's an instinct. 1010 00:48:08,066 --> 00:48:11,000 Okay. How about your appetite? 1011 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,700 -We're working on it. -You got to keep eating. 1012 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:14,300 -We're working -- -You got to keep eating. 1013 00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:15,833 But it became clear to me 1014 00:48:15,833 --> 00:48:19,166 somewhere around halfway to two-thirds of the way through, 1015 00:48:19,166 --> 00:48:20,733 that as much as I love this, 1016 00:48:20,733 --> 00:48:24,833 I really wanted to go back and do clinical research at the NIH. 1017 00:48:24,833 --> 00:48:26,500 Now, I know what you're gonna tell me. 1018 00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:28,600 You are gonna tell me this is a... 1019 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,933 Just to -- You haven't prepped me on this. 1020 00:48:30,933 --> 00:48:33,933 -No. -Colonic biopsy. 1021 00:48:33,933 --> 00:48:36,966 -Right. 1022 00:48:36,966 --> 00:48:39,966 -Riboprobe. -You got it. 1023 00:48:39,966 --> 00:48:41,600 That's what it is. 1024 00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:45,166 -Morning, Dr. Fauci.  -¿Cómo estás? 1025 00:48:45,166 --> 00:48:47,500 Hi. How are you? -Good. How are you? 1026 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:48,966 -Georgetown? -Yeah. 1027 00:48:48,966 --> 00:48:51,600 -Good. Where's G.W.? 1028 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,533 Hey. Hey, guys. Alright. [ Laughter ] 1029 00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:55,866 Okay. What do we got? 1030 00:48:55,866 --> 00:48:58,933 -So, I am presenting a 51-year-old. 1031 00:48:58,933 --> 00:49:01,733 He has idiopathic CD4 lymphocytopenia. 1032 00:49:01,733 --> 00:49:03,800 -So did you read up on this? -Yeah, I did. 1033 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,066 -There was a description in 1034 00:49:05,066 --> 00:49:06,600 The New England Journal of Medicine. 1035 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,700 Do you know who wrote that? 1036 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,366 -You. -No, that's -- 1037 00:49:10,366 --> 00:49:13,233 That's the good thing. The question is -- 1038 00:49:13,233 --> 00:49:16,566 Whenever I ask you a question, it's one of two things. 1039 00:49:16,566 --> 00:49:20,566 It's either one of our people or it was me. 1040 00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:23,066 Alright. Should we go? -Yep. 1041 00:49:23,066 --> 00:49:26,800 -When I went down to the NIH, it was much more to my suiting. 1042 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,933 You take care of patients, you do research. 1043 00:49:28,933 --> 00:49:31,033 You don't charge anybody for anything. 1044 00:49:31,033 --> 00:49:34,233 'Cause the NIH, nobody got charged for anything. 1045 00:49:34,233 --> 00:49:36,300 Good to see you. -It's been a while. 1046 00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:37,433 -How you been? 1047 00:49:37,433 --> 00:49:39,066 -I'm doing great. I'm doing great. 1048 00:49:39,066 --> 00:49:40,933 -I'm really delighted to see you doing well. 1049 00:49:40,933 --> 00:49:42,900 I wasn't thinking, at the time, 1050 00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:47,000 that this is kind of a physician version of what my father did, 1051 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,166 but now that I look back on it, it actually was. 1052 00:49:50,166 --> 00:49:52,533 Hello, there. Do you remember when I came in to see you? 1053 00:49:52,533 --> 00:49:54,933 I know with all this mask stuff, it's really tough. 1054 00:49:54,933 --> 00:49:56,266 It's great to see you again. 1055 00:49:56,266 --> 00:49:57,566 -It's good seeing you, too. 1056 00:49:57,566 --> 00:50:00,700 -Tony, in his soul, is a physician 1057 00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:03,233 who has a incredible way 1058 00:50:03,233 --> 00:50:06,700 to identify with what patients are going through. 1059 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:08,733 -How do you feel? That's important. 1060 00:50:08,733 --> 00:50:10,900 How do you feel now? -I feel good. 1061 00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:13,000 -You look quite good for somebody 1062 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,800 that's been through what you've been through. 1063 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,300 -Do I? -No, I mean really. 1064 00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:21,966 -You know, the sort of palpable, persistent caring 1065 00:50:21,966 --> 00:50:23,966 for what's happening and for the people 1066 00:50:23,966 --> 00:50:26,233 that are being affected, it never goes away. 1067 00:50:26,233 --> 00:50:27,900 He always has that. 1068 00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:29,200 -My mother, she's just dying 1069 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,733 to make sure I get a picture with you. 1070 00:50:30,733 --> 00:50:32,733 -Say hi to your mother. -Oh. 1071 00:50:32,733 --> 00:50:34,633 -Nice to see you. Take care of yourself. 1072 00:50:34,633 --> 00:50:36,533 -Alright. You too. -Alrighty. Bye-bye. 1073 00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:38,233 I'm a scientist. 1074 00:50:38,233 --> 00:50:41,000 I head a multibillion-dollar institution. 1075 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,566 But fundamentally, I'm a physician. 1076 00:50:44,566 --> 00:50:49,666 Ultimately, it's gonna benefit that real person 1077 00:50:49,666 --> 00:50:54,166 that you are now dealing with at the bedside. 1078 00:50:54,166 --> 00:50:56,000 There's no -- 1079 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,433 There's no substitute for that in my mind. 1080 00:50:58,433 --> 00:51:01,233 I mean, some people, I think, can do it very well 1081 00:51:01,233 --> 00:51:03,466 without ever having to see a patient. 1082 00:51:03,466 --> 00:51:08,633 But, for me, for my identity of who I am, 1083 00:51:08,633 --> 00:51:10,100 I need that. 1084 00:51:20,866 --> 00:51:24,000 Alright. Greg. What do we got? 1085 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,600 -Good morning. 1086 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,900 So, India hit a new record. 1087 00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:34,566 Over 4,500 COVID deaths in India yesterday. 1088 00:51:34,566 --> 00:51:39,666 That's the worst day anywhere, ever, for COVID deaths. 1089 00:51:39,666 --> 00:51:41,600 -[ Sighs ] 1090 00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:52,133 ♪♪ 1091 00:51:52,133 --> 00:51:57,500 It's now been 14 months 1092 00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:01,366 of a total disruption of people's lives. 1093 00:52:01,366 --> 00:52:05,966 ♪♪ 1094 00:52:05,966 --> 00:52:11,366 560,000 people have died thus far, 1095 00:52:11,366 --> 00:52:17,166 and we're getting 70,000 new infections a day. 1096 00:52:17,166 --> 00:52:19,500 It's palpable that there is 1097 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:23,033 really profound COVID-19 fatigue. 1098 00:52:23,033 --> 00:52:24,600 That's totally understandable. 1099 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,966 I don't even argue with that 1100 00:52:25,966 --> 00:52:31,033 because it's so -- such a natural human feeling. 1101 00:52:31,033 --> 00:52:34,266 What we're seeing now is the tension between people 1102 00:52:34,266 --> 00:52:36,666 saying, "Okay. Enough is enough. I want to open up. 1103 00:52:36,666 --> 00:52:40,633 To hell with it. I want to just get back to normal." 1104 00:52:40,633 --> 00:52:44,100 There have been sections of weeks at a time, 1105 00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:47,600 or months at a time -- when the anthrax attacks 1106 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,966 and we thought we were going to get hit 1107 00:52:48,966 --> 00:52:52,633 by an Al-Qaeda bioterror attack. 1108 00:52:52,633 --> 00:52:55,833 The swine flu of 2009. 1109 00:52:55,833 --> 00:52:58,733 Two Ebola outbreaks. 1110 00:52:58,733 --> 00:53:01,466 Zika. 1111 00:53:01,466 --> 00:53:04,366 SARS-CoV-1. 1112 00:53:04,366 --> 00:53:06,733 MERS in the Middle East. 1113 00:53:06,733 --> 00:53:10,266 But there were none that were really close 1114 00:53:10,266 --> 00:53:14,033 to as much of a threat to the American people 1115 00:53:14,033 --> 00:53:15,700 as COVID-19... 1116 00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:19,800 except the summer of 1981. 1117 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:26,466 ♪♪ 1118 00:53:26,466 --> 00:53:28,033 When you're going through history, 1119 00:53:28,033 --> 00:53:29,900 you almost never know you're going through 1120 00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:31,500 a historical period 1121 00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:33,433 until you're finished with it and you say, "Whoa!" 1122 00:53:33,433 --> 00:53:36,533 And you go back and you say, "Wow." 1123 00:53:36,533 --> 00:53:40,733 MMWR is the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. 1124 00:53:40,733 --> 00:53:45,666 And what it does, it keeps you up to date on disease patterns. 1125 00:53:45,666 --> 00:53:49,666 I remember seeing the first MMWR. 1126 00:53:49,666 --> 00:53:52,600 You know, I shook my head and said, "This is a fluke." 1127 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,633 Previously otherwise healthy, young, gay men 1128 00:53:57,633 --> 00:54:02,266 coming down with a bizarre set of diseases, 1129 00:54:02,266 --> 00:54:04,733 all of which had the common denominator 1130 00:54:04,733 --> 00:54:06,466 that they were seen in people 1131 00:54:06,466 --> 00:54:10,766 whose immune system was completely destroyed. 1132 00:54:10,766 --> 00:54:14,300 Looking at that MMWR, I just blew it off. 1133 00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:17,800 I said, "This is some young guys taking some drug 1134 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,800 and suppressing their immune system, 1135 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:25,766 and that's how they got these opportunistic infections." 1136 00:54:25,766 --> 00:54:31,000 But when I got that second MMWR, it was the 4th of July weekend. 1137 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,433 That's one of the first few times I kind of got goosebumps. 1138 00:54:34,433 --> 00:54:40,333 26 people from New York City, San Francisco, and Los Angeles, 1139 00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:43,233 curiously all gay men, 1140 00:54:43,233 --> 00:54:49,000 with a completely bizarre, inexplicable disease 1141 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,966 that was virtually uniformly fatal. 1142 00:54:54,766 --> 00:54:56,700 And the thing that struck me is that 1143 00:54:56,700 --> 00:55:00,133 I had never seen anything like that before. 1144 00:55:00,133 --> 00:55:02,866 You know, it was like -- I got afraid. 1145 00:55:02,866 --> 00:55:06,533 I was looking like, "26 men? 1146 00:55:06,533 --> 00:55:10,500 All gay? From three cities? 1147 00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:12,466 What the hell is this all about?" 1148 00:55:12,466 --> 00:55:15,700 ♪♪ 1149 00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:18,433 -It's new, it kills, and it's spreading. 1150 00:55:18,433 --> 00:55:22,866 A disease that has medical science baffled. 1151 00:55:22,866 --> 00:55:25,333 Good evening. There are few scarier things 1152 00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:27,966 than the discovery of a new killer disease, 1153 00:55:27,966 --> 00:55:30,866 one medical science admits is mostly a mystery 1154 00:55:30,866 --> 00:55:33,700 for which there is no certain cause or cure. 1155 00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:36,066 A mystery disease known as the "Gay Plague" 1156 00:55:36,066 --> 00:55:38,133 has become an epidemic unprecedented 1157 00:55:38,133 --> 00:55:40,500 in the history of American medicine. 1158 00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,033 ♪♪ 1159 00:55:43,033 --> 00:55:47,166 -Homosexuality has been with us forever, 1160 00:55:47,166 --> 00:55:49,466 since the beginning of mankind. 1161 00:55:49,466 --> 00:55:51,833 Why now? 1162 00:55:51,833 --> 00:55:53,333 Like, well, maybe because 1163 00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:55,833 they're changing their sexual habits 1164 00:55:55,833 --> 00:55:58,266 and they're having the sexual freedom 1165 00:55:58,266 --> 00:55:59,800 that dates back to 1166 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,600 the Stonewall Inn riots back in 1969. 1167 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,200 Yeah, but, you know, there was still 1168 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,100 a lot of interaction among -- 1169 00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,000 sexual activity among gay men. 1170 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,466 So what possibly could have changed? 1171 00:56:13,466 --> 00:56:16,766 The only possible explanation 1172 00:56:16,766 --> 00:56:20,100 is that a new infectious agent, 1173 00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,133 almost certainly a virus, 1174 00:56:22,133 --> 00:56:25,466 was introduced into the gay population. 1175 00:56:25,466 --> 00:56:29,533 There was no other explanation than that. 1176 00:56:29,533 --> 00:56:32,200 -Doctors theorize that the virus can be passed along 1177 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,933 in body fluids such as blood, saliva, and semen. 1178 00:56:35,933 --> 00:56:37,666 -We don't know what we're dealing with 1179 00:56:37,666 --> 00:56:40,866 and it's deadly and it's transmissible. 1180 00:56:40,866 --> 00:56:43,633 People were reluctant to get involved with this disease. 1181 00:56:43,633 --> 00:56:45,733 "Why bring those gay men into the hospital 1182 00:56:45,733 --> 00:56:48,133 with this strange disease? We don't even know what it is. 1183 00:56:48,133 --> 00:56:50,300 The other patients will be uncomfortable." 1184 00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:52,533 Some of the doctors didn't want to go near them. 1185 00:56:52,533 --> 00:56:56,000 There is a feeling among members 1186 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,800 of any of a number of professions, 1187 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,200 or just the general population, that patients with AIDS, 1188 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,366 many of whom are homosexual, are a little bit different. 1189 00:57:06,366 --> 00:57:09,833 ♪♪ 1190 00:57:09,833 --> 00:57:12,266 We were certain it was spread sexually, 1191 00:57:12,266 --> 00:57:14,633 but we didn't know if it was spread by any other way, 1192 00:57:14,633 --> 00:57:16,733 so there was a lot of concern early on. 1193 00:57:16,733 --> 00:57:19,066 Even back then, there were conspiracy theorists. 1194 00:57:19,066 --> 00:57:22,966 [ Laughs ] You know? Hello. Nothing new. 1195 00:57:22,966 --> 00:57:25,500 You know, saying that this was something the CIA did 1196 00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:27,300 or whatever it is. Anyway... 1197 00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:31,566 But we did know that it was attacking the immune system. 1198 00:57:33,633 --> 00:57:37,300 -So far, more than 500 known cases have been documented 1199 00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:40,100 in 26 states and 9 countries. 1200 00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:44,500 60 to 80 new cases are currently being reported each month. 1201 00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:48,300 The fatality rate so far is an alarming 40%. 1202 00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:52,866 -It was very clear that this thing was, like, evolving, 1203 00:57:52,866 --> 00:57:55,500 like a wave coming over us. 1204 00:57:55,500 --> 00:58:00,566 Every single week or month, there was something else new. 1205 00:58:00,566 --> 00:58:03,666 So that's when I said, "Wait a minute. 1206 00:58:03,666 --> 00:58:06,166 I've been trained as an immunologist. 1207 00:58:06,166 --> 00:58:09,500 I've been trained as an infectious-disease person. 1208 00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:13,333 This is a disease that was made for me." 1209 00:58:13,333 --> 00:58:17,666 ♪♪ 1210 00:58:17,666 --> 00:58:21,533 I used to feel, with some degree of pride -- 1211 00:58:21,533 --> 00:58:23,700 and I would say, "The sicker you are, 1212 00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:26,200 better for me, because if you're really sick, 1213 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,666 I'm the person you want to take care of you 1214 00:58:28,666 --> 00:58:31,300 because I really know what I'm doing." 1215 00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:33,366 That paradigm didn't work. 1216 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,066 It was coming up face to face with the fact 1217 00:58:39,066 --> 00:58:43,000 that there's nothing you're doing here 1218 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,666 that's making a big difference. 1219 00:58:45,666 --> 00:58:48,533 ♪♪ 1220 00:58:48,533 --> 00:58:51,566 It was a complete darkness. 1221 00:58:51,566 --> 00:58:55,200 ♪♪ 1222 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,133 Almost as if I'd put a block of thinking about it 1223 00:58:59,133 --> 00:59:04,766 because it was so...traumatic -- 1224 00:59:04,766 --> 00:59:06,966 traumatically different 1225 00:59:06,966 --> 00:59:10,366 than what I had experienced before. 1226 00:59:10,366 --> 00:59:13,766 ♪♪ 1227 00:59:13,766 --> 00:59:19,433 I went from a world of success and gratification 1228 00:59:19,433 --> 00:59:22,900 to a world of frustration and failure. 1229 00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:29,700 ♪♪ 1230 00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:31,300 I mean, because you felt, 1231 00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:34,133 "Oh, my God. What am I going to do?" 1232 00:59:34,133 --> 00:59:39,633 ♪♪ 1233 00:59:39,633 --> 00:59:41,100 Nothing. 1234 00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:43,333 One guy dies, the next guy dies, 1235 00:59:43,333 --> 00:59:45,333 the next guy dies, and they keep coming in. 1236 00:59:45,333 --> 00:59:49,033 You do it over and over again until you say, "Jesus." 1237 00:59:49,033 --> 00:59:53,233 ♪♪ 1238 00:59:53,233 --> 00:59:55,400 I saw this, and I said, "We've got to change that." 1239 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,200 And one of the ways we could change it is 1240 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,366 if I assume a role 1241 01:00:01,366 --> 01:00:03,666 and a position of leadership, 1242 01:00:03,666 --> 01:00:07,633 of leadership that could harness resources. 1243 01:00:07,633 --> 01:00:12,000 When I was asked to become the director of NIAID 1244 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,133 at a very young age, I had to do some soul searching 1245 01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:17,366 about whether I wanted to do that or not. 1246 01:00:17,366 --> 01:00:19,566 ♪♪ 1247 01:00:19,566 --> 01:00:24,133 Starting in November of 1984, I took the job, 1248 01:00:24,133 --> 01:00:27,233 and I made it something that it was never before. 1249 01:00:27,233 --> 01:00:31,733 I made it a very dynamic job 1250 01:00:31,733 --> 01:00:37,000 where the director gets involved in a lot of policy issues, 1251 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,600 more direct and serious interaction with the Congress. 1252 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,266 As soon as we finish 1253 01:00:43,266 --> 01:00:45,666 the Congressional answers to the questions, 1254 01:00:45,666 --> 01:00:51,133 then we got to start worrying about the clinical meetings -- 1255 01:00:51,133 --> 01:00:55,100 the FASEB and the AIDS International Congress. 1256 01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:57,166 I might point out, Mr. President and Commissioners, 1257 01:00:57,166 --> 01:01:00,300 is the basic science base of the NIH 1258 01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:03,266 has allowed us to take giant steps forward 1259 01:01:03,266 --> 01:01:06,166 very quickly in attacking the AIDS epidemic. 1260 01:01:06,166 --> 01:01:09,700 And what we'll learn about AIDS will certainly help us 1261 01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:12,833 in understanding diseases of the 21st century. 1262 01:01:12,833 --> 01:01:14,900 [ Applause ] 1263 01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:19,066 It was the only way to broaden the scope of what my influ-- 1264 01:01:19,066 --> 01:01:21,700 I don't mean like I wanted to be a big influencer, 1265 01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:24,633 but it allowed me to have impact 1266 01:01:24,633 --> 01:01:28,733 to really get HIV/AIDS on the map. 1267 01:01:28,733 --> 01:01:32,400 I mean, it -- it -- 1268 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,333 Politics has a bad reputation 1269 01:01:35,333 --> 01:01:37,900 because it's sort of people manipulating 1270 01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:41,200 and doing things for reasons 1271 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,500 that aren't the most noble reasons. 1272 01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:46,566 But you don't want to embrace 1273 01:01:46,566 --> 01:01:48,900 the negative aspects of politics, 1274 01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:50,366 but you need to understand it 1275 01:01:50,366 --> 01:01:53,266 and be able to operate in that arena. 1276 01:01:53,266 --> 01:01:56,266 If you don't, you're gonna get run over like a truck. 1277 01:02:00,866 --> 01:02:02,833 -You're telling everybody to wear a mask, 1278 01:02:02,833 --> 01:02:05,000 whether they've had an infection or a vaccine. 1279 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,800 What I'm saying is they have immunity 1280 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,433 and everybody agrees they have immunity. 1281 01:02:08,433 --> 01:02:12,066 What studies do you have that people that have had the vaccine 1282 01:02:12,066 --> 01:02:14,600 or have had the infection are spreading the infection? 1283 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,300 If we're not spreading the infection, 1284 01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:17,466 isn't it just theater? 1285 01:02:17,466 --> 01:02:19,533 -No, it's not. -You've had the vaccine. 1286 01:02:19,533 --> 01:02:21,566 And you're wearing two masks. Isn't that theater? 1287 01:02:21,566 --> 01:02:23,866 -No, that's not -- Here we go again with the "theater." 1288 01:02:23,866 --> 01:02:25,300 Let's get down to the facts. 1289 01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:27,300 -You want to get rid of vaccine hesitancy? 1290 01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:28,800 Tell them they can quit wearing their mask 1291 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,133 after they get the vaccine. 1292 01:02:30,133 --> 01:02:31,366 You want people to get the vaccine? 1293 01:02:31,366 --> 01:02:33,433 Give them a reward instead of telling them 1294 01:02:33,433 --> 01:02:36,066 that the nanny state's gonna be there for three more years 1295 01:02:36,066 --> 01:02:37,733 and you got to wear a mask forever. 1296 01:02:37,733 --> 01:02:40,266 People don't want to hear it. There's no science behind it. 1297 01:02:40,266 --> 01:02:42,766 -Well, let me just state for the record 1298 01:02:42,766 --> 01:02:44,933 that masks are not theater. 1299 01:02:44,933 --> 01:02:46,766 Masks are protective, and we ask -- 1300 01:02:46,766 --> 01:02:48,800 -If you have immunity, they are theater. 1301 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,133 If you already have immunity, 1302 01:02:50,133 --> 01:02:52,233 you're wearing a mask to give comfort to others. 1303 01:02:52,233 --> 01:02:54,733 You're not wearing a mask because of any science. 1304 01:02:54,733 --> 01:02:57,333 -I totally disagree with you. 1305 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,433 So, this is Anacostia, 1306 01:03:12,433 --> 01:03:14,800 historic African-American neighborhood. 1307 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,266 In New York, they have neighborhoods. 1308 01:03:17,266 --> 01:03:21,400 Here, they have wards. So this is Ward 8. 1309 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,400 It's the typical social determinants of health, 1310 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,333 where they don't get good medical care, 1311 01:03:26,333 --> 01:03:30,333 they have a high degree of HIV, high degree of COVID-19, 1312 01:03:30,333 --> 01:03:33,333 the lowest level of vaccination. 1313 01:03:33,333 --> 01:03:36,366 They're sort of the disenfranchised group 1314 01:03:36,366 --> 01:03:37,800 that we got to reach out to. 1315 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,866 So the mayor is now, with me, going to congratulate the people 1316 01:03:41,866 --> 01:03:43,966 who are going to go out into the community 1317 01:03:43,966 --> 01:03:46,666 to try and get people vaccinated. 1318 01:03:46,666 --> 01:03:48,133 -How are you? -Hi, Madame Mayor. 1319 01:03:48,133 --> 01:03:49,600 Nice to see you. Real pleasure. 1320 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,400 -Thank you for coming. -It's my pleasure. 1321 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,433 Good to be here with you. -It's going to be fun today. 1322 01:03:53,433 --> 01:03:55,000 -Yeah. Yes, it is. -Having fun already. 1323 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,366 I think they told me they have more people 1324 01:03:57,366 --> 01:03:59,066 that have been this morning 1325 01:03:59,066 --> 01:04:00,966 than they usually have at this site all day. 1326 01:04:00,966 --> 01:04:02,200 -Really? -Yes. 1327 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,133 -Fantastic. How you doing? -I'm doing well. 1328 01:04:04,133 --> 01:04:06,233 How are you, Dr. Fauci? -I'm good. 1329 01:04:06,233 --> 01:04:09,433 -Oh, my gosh! -Alright. Let's take a -- 1330 01:04:09,433 --> 01:04:12,766 -Oh, my gosh! Dr. Fauci! -You want a picture? 1331 01:04:12,766 --> 01:04:14,133 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 1332 01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:16,400 -Thank you. -Thank you so much. 1333 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,233 -Thank you, Mayor. -Thanks for getting vaccinated. 1334 01:04:19,233 --> 01:04:21,133 -Well, good morning, everybody. 1335 01:04:21,133 --> 01:04:22,766 [ Cheers and applause ] 1336 01:04:22,766 --> 01:04:25,000 I want to give a special thank-you 1337 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,900 to our fellow Washingtonian Dr. Tony Fauci. 1338 01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:30,666 Let's hear it for Dr. Fauci! 1339 01:04:30,666 --> 01:04:33,866 [ Cheers and applause ] 1340 01:04:33,866 --> 01:04:35,500 -Thank you very much, Madame Mayor. 1341 01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:39,900 It's really a great pleasure to be here in this ward. 1342 01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:44,300 I've been a resident of the District for 50 years, 1343 01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:47,066 so I love this city. 1344 01:04:47,066 --> 01:04:49,300 So that's one of the reasons why I'm here. 1345 01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:54,066 I'd like to believe people listen to me, but some don't. 1346 01:04:54,066 --> 01:04:55,466 [ Laughter ] 1347 01:04:55,466 --> 01:04:59,533 But when you have people who are part of the community, 1348 01:04:59,533 --> 01:05:02,900 you know, the community core, the trusted messengers -- 1349 01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:04,900 those are the ones they listen to. 1350 01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:07,966 So that's the reason why we need you to get out there 1351 01:05:07,966 --> 01:05:09,266 and tell your colleagues, 1352 01:05:09,266 --> 01:05:11,633 tell your friends, tell your loved ones 1353 01:05:11,633 --> 01:05:14,366 why it's so important to get vaccinated. 1354 01:05:14,366 --> 01:05:16,900 So, once again, thank you so much for all you do. 1355 01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:18,533 We look forward to working with you. 1356 01:05:18,533 --> 01:05:20,633 Thank you. -Thank you, Dr. Fauci! 1357 01:05:20,633 --> 01:05:22,766 [ Cheers and applause ] 1358 01:05:22,766 --> 01:05:25,566 -Is that Dr. Fauci? -Yeah. Hi! 1359 01:05:25,566 --> 01:05:27,933 -[ Laughs ] I know. 1360 01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:33,133 He's -- Dr. Fauci really wants you to get vaccinated today. 1361 01:05:33,133 --> 01:05:35,133 -I've been vaccinated. -Alright. Alright. 1362 01:05:35,133 --> 01:05:36,533 -I've been Fauc'ed. -Good. 1363 01:05:36,533 --> 01:05:38,566 -You got your Fauci ouchie? -Yeah. 1364 01:05:38,566 --> 01:05:40,800 [ Laughter ] -I'm vaccinated. 1365 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,400 -Well, good for you. Hello. Hi. It's nice to see you. 1366 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,166 -Nice to meet you. -Same here. 1367 01:05:45,166 --> 01:05:47,533 -I've been vaccinated since April the 23rd, 1368 01:05:47,533 --> 01:05:50,333 and I did it because I felt I needed to be a solution 1369 01:05:50,333 --> 01:05:51,700 and not part of the problem. 1370 01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:54,300 -There you go. Great. Do you think it hurts? 1371 01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:57,266 -No. It does other things to me. 1372 01:05:57,266 --> 01:05:58,833 -Yeah. -I just pass out. 1373 01:05:58,833 --> 01:06:00,500 -How old are you? 1374 01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:02,533 -Ooh! -I'm older than you. 1375 01:06:02,533 --> 01:06:05,133 So don't feel badly. -How old are you? 1376 01:06:05,133 --> 01:06:06,700 -I'm 80. -Me too. 1377 01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:08,633 -Oh, good! [ Laughs ] 1378 01:06:08,633 --> 01:06:10,400 -Me too. I'm 80, too. 1379 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,166 [ Laughter ] 1380 01:06:12,166 --> 01:06:15,166 -That's one of the reasons why you might want to reconsider. 1381 01:06:15,166 --> 01:06:17,766 -You see, what I find is people aren't really opposed. 1382 01:06:17,766 --> 01:06:19,500 -Yeah, I know. -But they do need a push. 1383 01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:21,833 -They need a little push. -A push and a drag. 1384 01:06:21,833 --> 01:06:23,400 -Yeah. -Hi, neighbor. 1385 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,333 -I ain't coming out. I got no clothes on! 1386 01:06:25,333 --> 01:06:27,433 -That's okay. This is Dr. Fauci. 1387 01:06:27,433 --> 01:06:30,700 -Hey! Fauci! [ Laughter ] 1388 01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:32,933 Hey, Dr. Fauci, if I had some clothes on, 1389 01:06:32,933 --> 01:06:34,800 I'd come out and give you a kiss. 1390 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,600 I can't do it now. I ain't got no clothes on. 1391 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,700 -Alright. Well, I give it back to you. 1392 01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:41,566 -Alright. And we're gonna come back and talk to her son. 1393 01:06:41,566 --> 01:06:43,466 -Y'all see Dr. Fauci?! Aah! 1394 01:06:43,466 --> 01:06:45,400 -What are we gonna do about those other states? 1395 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,766 -Oh, my God. 1396 01:06:47,766 --> 01:06:48,833 They're gonna keep the outbreak 1397 01:06:48,833 --> 01:06:51,133 smoldering in the country. 1398 01:06:51,133 --> 01:06:52,966 It's so crazy. 1399 01:06:52,966 --> 01:06:54,933 They're not doing it 1400 01:06:54,933 --> 01:06:56,600 because they say they don't want to do it. 1401 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,966 They're Republicans. They don't like to be told what to do. 1402 01:06:58,966 --> 01:07:00,400 -Right. 1403 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,200 -And we got to break that, unpack that. 1404 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,033 -How you guys doing with vaccine? 1405 01:07:04,033 --> 01:07:06,033 -Oh, I haven't really gotten it yet. 1406 01:07:06,033 --> 01:07:07,700 I'm waiting for them to be able to. 1407 01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:09,233 -Oh, you should get it first. Okay? 1408 01:07:09,233 --> 01:07:11,900 That way, you won't give it to them. 1409 01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:14,466 -Oh, I thought I would give it to them if I get it. 1410 01:07:14,466 --> 01:07:16,600 -No, no, not at all. 1411 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,600 In fact, we got to get you vaccinated 1412 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,533 so that if you were to get infected, 1413 01:07:20,533 --> 01:07:22,066 you could pass it on to them. 1414 01:07:22,066 --> 01:07:23,866 So you're actually protecting your family 1415 01:07:23,866 --> 01:07:25,433 by getting vaccinated. 1416 01:07:25,433 --> 01:07:28,700 -Well, I heard that it doesn't cure it 1417 01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:32,400 and it doesn't stop you from getting it. 1418 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,166 -No. 1419 01:07:34,166 --> 01:07:37,433 On the very, very, very rare chance that you do get it, 1420 01:07:37,433 --> 01:07:40,533 even if you're vaccinated, you don't even feel sick. 1421 01:07:40,533 --> 01:07:42,633 It's like you don't even know you got infected. 1422 01:07:42,633 --> 01:07:45,300 It's very, very good at protecting you. 1423 01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:47,566 -Just at Anacostia. So get up there. 1424 01:07:47,566 --> 01:07:49,800 -Alright. See you later. -Have a good day. 1425 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,533 -The people in America are not settled 1426 01:07:52,533 --> 01:07:56,100 with the information that's been given to us right now. 1427 01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:59,933 So I'm not gonna be lining up taking a shot on a vaccination 1428 01:07:59,933 --> 01:08:03,400 for something that wasn't clear in the first place. 1429 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,233 And then you all create a shot in miraculous time. 1430 01:08:08,233 --> 01:08:11,500 It takes years to create vaccinations. 1431 01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:13,966 -Well, it used to take years. 1432 01:08:13,966 --> 01:08:18,666 You know how many years were invested in this approach? 1433 01:08:18,666 --> 01:08:20,500 About 20 years of science 1434 01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:22,733 to get us to be able to do it quickly. 1435 01:08:22,733 --> 01:08:24,066 -20 years is not enough. 1436 01:08:24,066 --> 01:08:25,866 And nine months is definitely not enough for nobody 1437 01:08:25,866 --> 01:08:28,566 to be taking no vaccination that you all came up with. 1438 01:08:28,566 --> 01:08:30,500 -The only reason I'm talking to you right now, 1439 01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:33,466 as close as we are, is that I've been vaccinated. 1440 01:08:33,466 --> 01:08:36,033 -Right. -But if thousands of people 1441 01:08:36,033 --> 01:08:37,800 like you don't get vaccinated, 1442 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,233 you're gonna let this virus continue to percolate 1443 01:08:40,233 --> 01:08:42,033 in this country and in this world. 1444 01:08:42,033 --> 01:08:44,700 -Something like the common flu then, right? Basically. 1445 01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:46,600 -It's much more serious than the flu. 1446 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,333 -Well, the flu kills a lot of people. 1447 01:08:48,333 --> 01:08:52,133 -You know how many people died of the flu the last year? 1448 01:08:52,133 --> 01:08:54,033 Not this year. Virtually none. 1449 01:08:54,033 --> 01:08:57,100 But the previous year. About 20,000 to 30,000. 1450 01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:59,166 You know how many people have died from COVID-19 1451 01:08:59,166 --> 01:09:00,266 in the United States? 1452 01:09:00,266 --> 01:09:02,400 600,000 Americans. 1453 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,933 -Well, the number that you all giving that died -- 1454 01:09:06,933 --> 01:09:08,766 once again, that's you all's number. 1455 01:09:08,766 --> 01:09:10,833 -You gonna pass? -Yeah, definitely. 1456 01:09:10,833 --> 01:09:13,533 'Cause when you start talking about paying people 1457 01:09:13,533 --> 01:09:15,866 to get vaccinated, when you start talking about 1458 01:09:15,866 --> 01:09:18,100 incentivizing things to get people vaccinated, 1459 01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,066 there's something else going on with that. 1460 01:09:21,033 --> 01:09:22,333 There's something else going on with that. 1461 01:09:22,333 --> 01:09:24,500 -It is something going on with it. You're right. 1462 01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:26,500 But I'm glad millions of people like me 1463 01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:29,166 and most everybody here didn't get an incentive. 1464 01:09:29,166 --> 01:09:30,766 You know what their incentive was? 1465 01:09:30,766 --> 01:09:33,066 Protecting their health and protecting the city. 1466 01:09:33,066 --> 01:09:36,200 I won't keep you anymore. -Well, it's okay 'cause 1467 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,633 my sense it that y'all campaign is about fear. 1468 01:09:38,633 --> 01:09:40,500 It's about inciting fear in people. 1469 01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:42,300 You all attack people with fear. 1470 01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:43,900 That's what this pandemic is. 1471 01:09:43,900 --> 01:09:47,566 It's a fear. It's fear. This pandemic. That's all it is. 1472 01:09:57,133 --> 01:09:59,766 -The most frustrating thing 1473 01:09:59,766 --> 01:10:03,000 is that we have the tool, 1474 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,833 and you got these people. 1475 01:10:04,833 --> 01:10:08,066 "We're not getting vaccinated." 1476 01:10:08,066 --> 01:10:10,500 You have to embrace brown and Black people 1477 01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:13,866 because they have an understandable reluctance 1478 01:10:13,866 --> 01:10:15,866 based on the history of how 1479 01:10:15,866 --> 01:10:18,533 the federal medical establishment 1480 01:10:18,533 --> 01:10:20,266 has treated brown and Black people. 1481 01:10:20,266 --> 01:10:24,433 They still remember, even though most of them were not born, 1482 01:10:24,433 --> 01:10:27,700 the infamous Tuskegee experiments 1483 01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:32,200 when they were having treatment for syphilis withheld from them 1484 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,166 to understand what the disease was. 1485 01:10:35,166 --> 01:10:38,700 That history lingers about mistrust of the government. 1486 01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:42,233 But now we're seeing another group 1487 01:10:42,233 --> 01:10:44,366 that we haven't seen before 1488 01:10:44,366 --> 01:10:48,166 and its vaccine abject refusal. 1489 01:10:48,166 --> 01:10:52,966 And if you look at it, it is very sharply divided 1490 01:10:52,966 --> 01:10:55,633 along ideological lines 1491 01:10:55,633 --> 01:10:57,366 where red-state Republicans 1492 01:10:57,366 --> 01:10:59,700 are much less likely to get vaccinated 1493 01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:02,366 than blue-state Democrats. 1494 01:11:02,366 --> 01:11:05,400 There's a hardcore crew of them that say, 1495 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,733 "Because you said it works, I'm not gonna listen to you." 1496 01:11:08,733 --> 01:11:11,733 ♪♪ 1497 01:11:11,733 --> 01:11:15,466 When you have people who are saying, 1498 01:11:15,466 --> 01:11:18,666 "Don't take the vaccine, it doesn't work, 1499 01:11:18,666 --> 01:11:22,200 it causes, whatever, you to grow horns out of your head, 1500 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,633 it's got chips in it 1501 01:11:23,633 --> 01:11:27,700 that Bill Gates and Tony Fauci put in," 1502 01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:30,833 that kills people. 1503 01:11:30,833 --> 01:11:34,866 If you look at the hospitalizations and the deaths, 1504 01:11:34,866 --> 01:11:39,600 the difference between the people who are unvaccinated -- 1505 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,433 highly, highly disproportionately, 1506 01:11:42,433 --> 01:11:44,266 multi, multi, multi times 1507 01:11:44,266 --> 01:11:48,000 more likely you're going to get seriously ill 1508 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,566 and/or you're going to die. 1509 01:11:49,566 --> 01:11:53,466 Disinformation and misinformation kills. 1510 01:11:56,866 --> 01:11:59,200 There's nothing about me that cares anything 1511 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,433 about the standard politics. 1512 01:12:01,433 --> 01:12:04,600 You know, left, right, middle. Nonsense. 1513 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,300 The only thing I care about is medicine, 1514 01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:09,366 science, and public health. 1515 01:12:09,366 --> 01:12:13,900 People who come in and try and intersperse politics in that, 1516 01:12:13,900 --> 01:12:15,500 that's crap. 1517 01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:17,800 [ Siren wails ] 1518 01:12:20,466 --> 01:12:22,733 -Do you know what Americans should be concerned about? 1519 01:12:22,733 --> 01:12:27,133 Is our tax dollars funding research that creates viruses 1520 01:12:27,133 --> 01:12:29,466 that should only be spread among animals 1521 01:12:29,466 --> 01:12:32,533 but then become so, so contagious 1522 01:12:32,533 --> 01:12:36,000 that are spread among humans, sicken people, and kill people. 1523 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,066 That's what people should be concerned about. 1524 01:12:39,066 --> 01:12:42,700 -Dr. Fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to Congress, 1525 01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:45,166 do you wish to retract your statement of May 11th 1526 01:12:45,166 --> 01:12:47,033 where you claimed that the NIH 1527 01:12:47,033 --> 01:12:50,133 never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan? 1528 01:12:52,166 --> 01:12:56,666 -Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress. 1529 01:12:56,666 --> 01:12:58,033 -Microphone, Doctor. -Your microphone. 1530 01:12:58,033 --> 01:13:01,466 -Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress, 1531 01:13:01,466 --> 01:13:04,666 and I do not retract that statement. 1532 01:13:04,666 --> 01:13:07,600 This paper that you are referring to 1533 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:12,100 was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain 1534 01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:15,900 as not being gain of function. 1535 01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:16,933 -So you take -- -What was -- Let me finish. 1536 01:13:16,933 --> 01:13:18,900 -You take an animal virus and you increase 1537 01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:20,633 it's transability to humans. 1538 01:13:20,633 --> 01:13:22,666 You're saying that's not gain of function? 1539 01:13:22,666 --> 01:13:23,900 -Yeah, that is correct. 1540 01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:25,766 And, Senator Paul, you do not know 1541 01:13:25,766 --> 01:13:28,166 what you are talking about, quite frankly, 1542 01:13:28,166 --> 01:13:30,800 and I want to say that officially. 1543 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,966 You do not know what you are talking about. 1544 01:13:33,966 --> 01:13:35,833 Okay? You get one person -- 1545 01:13:35,833 --> 01:13:37,400 -...from the NIH... 1546 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,633 -Can I answer the question? -...gain of function. 1547 01:13:40,633 --> 01:13:43,433 -There is a number of experiments 1548 01:13:43,433 --> 01:13:47,833 that need to be done on viruses. 1549 01:13:47,833 --> 01:13:49,966 How are you going to know whether or not 1550 01:13:49,966 --> 01:13:53,766 they're capable of infecting humans unless you examine them? 1551 01:13:53,766 --> 01:13:57,033 Which means doing something under certain circumstances 1552 01:13:57,033 --> 01:14:00,233 that make a pathogen more transmissible 1553 01:14:00,233 --> 01:14:02,766 or more pathogenic, 1554 01:14:02,766 --> 01:14:05,933 which some people refer to as "gain of function." 1555 01:14:05,933 --> 01:14:09,666 -They took animal viruses that only occur in animals, 1556 01:14:09,666 --> 01:14:12,466 and they increased their transmissibility to humans. 1557 01:14:12,466 --> 01:14:16,733 How you can say that is not gain of function... 1558 01:14:16,733 --> 01:14:20,166 -Rand Paul was insidiously 1559 01:14:20,166 --> 01:14:22,966 throwing into his little questions 1560 01:14:22,966 --> 01:14:28,233 that the work that was done in the Wuhan lab, 1561 01:14:28,233 --> 01:14:32,533 funded by a small grant from NIH -- 1562 01:14:32,533 --> 01:14:37,433 a strong implication that that created a virus 1563 01:14:37,433 --> 01:14:39,366 that made COVID. 1564 01:14:39,366 --> 01:14:42,566 I have 10,000 grants throughout the world. 1565 01:14:42,566 --> 01:14:45,600 What they've done is that they've looked at various grants 1566 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,966 and they make something of it that it isn't. 1567 01:14:47,966 --> 01:14:49,733 The microbe they were working on 1568 01:14:49,733 --> 01:14:52,700 not only was not SARS-CoV-2, 1569 01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:55,166 it would be molecularly impossible 1570 01:14:55,166 --> 01:14:59,233 for them to turn it into SARS-CoV-2. 1571 01:14:59,233 --> 01:15:00,800 They were so different. 1572 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,700 It's kind of like you have a Chevrolet 1573 01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:06,133 and you got a motorcycle, and you say, 1574 01:15:06,133 --> 01:15:08,533 "I want to make that Chevrolet into the motorcycle." 1575 01:15:08,533 --> 01:15:10,666 No matter what you do to that Chevrolet, 1576 01:15:10,666 --> 01:15:13,400 you're not gonna make it into a motorcycle. 1577 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,200 Like, what are you talking about? 1578 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,500 -It's a dance, and you're dancing around this 1579 01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:20,100 because you're trying to obscure responsibility 1580 01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:21,466 for 4 million people 1581 01:15:21,466 --> 01:15:23,400 dying around the world from a pandemic. 1582 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,800 -You are implying that what we did 1583 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,866 was responsible for the deaths of individual. 1584 01:15:29,866 --> 01:15:31,666 I totally resent that. -And it could have been. 1585 01:15:31,666 --> 01:15:35,733 -And if anybody is lying here, Senator, it is you! 1586 01:15:46,466 --> 01:15:52,433 You get attacked, you know, by right-wing crazy people. 1587 01:15:52,433 --> 01:15:56,833 The hyper far-right conservative members of Congress 1588 01:15:56,833 --> 01:16:00,133 send you letters asking you 400 questions 1589 01:16:00,133 --> 01:16:03,900 that completely suck up your time. 1590 01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:06,366 That's probably the most distracting, 1591 01:16:06,366 --> 01:16:10,166 wearing thing about all of this. 1592 01:16:10,166 --> 01:16:15,800 I mean, the personal attacks are just intensifying. 1593 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,933 People believe anything that somebody puts in front of them. 1594 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,200 -Have they played you the voicemails that you've received? 1595 01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:29,866 -No. No. They do that to protect me. 1596 01:16:29,866 --> 01:16:31,633 -I'm not gonna play them for you then. 1597 01:16:31,633 --> 01:16:34,600 -No, no. Play it if you want. Yeah. [ Chuckles ] 1598 01:16:40,333 --> 01:16:43,966 -Dr. Fauci, you have destroyed America. 1599 01:16:43,966 --> 01:16:45,600 And you know what? 1600 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,933 I hope that when you die it's painful and it's long. 1601 01:16:49,933 --> 01:16:53,700 -...Tony Fauci. He's a fake. He's a fraud. 1602 01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:57,466 -Hitler is nothing against you... 1603 01:16:57,466 --> 01:17:00,900 -Warning to Fauci. 1604 01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:05,033 I have asked the God of Israel, our creator, 1605 01:17:05,033 --> 01:17:08,533 and his only son, Jesus Christ, my savior, to destroy him. 1606 01:17:08,533 --> 01:17:13,733 -How is it that Dr. Fauci is still with the NIH? 1607 01:17:13,733 --> 01:17:15,800 The man's a publicity hound. 1608 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,000 The man is only interested in money. 1609 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,733 -Money? 1610 01:17:19,733 --> 01:17:21,700 -I understand that Anthony Fauci 1611 01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:25,166 developed COVID-19 in 2014. 1612 01:17:25,166 --> 01:17:26,666 -[ Laughing ] 1613 01:17:26,666 --> 01:17:30,533 -Please have Dr. Fauci explain this to Americans, 1614 01:17:30,533 --> 01:17:32,933 why he sold it... -Yeah. 1615 01:17:32,933 --> 01:17:36,233 -...to the Chinese to use against us. 1616 01:17:36,233 --> 01:17:37,766 -So... 1617 01:17:37,766 --> 01:17:40,166 -I think he's a little psycho, don't you? 1618 01:17:40,166 --> 01:17:41,533 -I'm a psycho. 1619 01:17:41,533 --> 01:17:44,600 -...did this on purpose. Biden won now. 1620 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,800 So you guys can play your...game 1621 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,000 and stop doing this... fake...pandemic. 1622 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,433 -We, the people, are going to find him. 1623 01:17:52,433 --> 01:17:56,866 We're gonna rip his little head off and...down his neck. 1624 01:17:56,866 --> 01:17:59,066 Thanks! Thank you. Have a great day. 1625 01:17:59,066 --> 01:18:04,033 -So, it is interesting... 1626 01:18:04,033 --> 01:18:07,233 troublesome, and sad... 1627 01:18:07,233 --> 01:18:11,133 the extraordinary degree of divisiveness 1628 01:18:11,133 --> 01:18:12,433 that we have in society. 1629 01:18:12,433 --> 01:18:18,633 Somebody who can look at a public-health message, 1630 01:18:18,633 --> 01:18:21,866 to turn that into hate 1631 01:18:21,866 --> 01:18:25,800 for the person who is communicating it. 1632 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,733 So you have to think about that for a second. 1633 01:18:28,733 --> 01:18:33,900 I'm just trying to save people from getting sick and dying. 1634 01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:37,166 And yet if you trigger that kind of hostility -- 1635 01:18:37,166 --> 01:18:40,800 Well, you're playing people 1636 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,233 who are, you know, saying hate things, 1637 01:18:43,233 --> 01:18:47,266 but there are things that are actual threats to my life, 1638 01:18:47,266 --> 01:18:50,300 to my family, to my wife, to my children. 1639 01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:52,033 I mean, when it gets that far, 1640 01:18:52,033 --> 01:18:53,733 you know we really got a problem. 1641 01:18:53,733 --> 01:18:57,833 So my job and the job of my colleagues 1642 01:18:57,833 --> 01:19:00,233 is that we're responsible 1643 01:19:00,233 --> 01:19:03,933 for making sure that virus doesn't overwhelm us. 1644 01:19:03,933 --> 01:19:05,666 That's my job. 1645 01:19:10,066 --> 01:19:12,166 From my lovely wife. Don't go away. 1646 01:19:12,166 --> 01:19:14,333 -You're gonna do that on the camera? 1647 01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:15,866 -Yep. "When I married you..." 1648 01:19:15,866 --> 01:19:17,666 [ Muttering ] 1649 01:19:17,666 --> 01:19:19,066 -[ Laughs ] 1650 01:19:36,066 --> 01:19:38,233 -Wow. Make me tear. 1651 01:19:38,233 --> 01:19:40,400 -[ Laughs ] 1652 01:19:42,933 --> 01:19:45,400 -Thank you. 1653 01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:46,833 -Megan? 1654 01:19:46,833 --> 01:19:48,266 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1655 01:19:48,266 --> 01:19:51,366 -This poor kid probably thought, "What have I got myself into? 1656 01:19:51,366 --> 01:19:52,866 Delivering to this house." 1657 01:19:52,866 --> 01:19:54,466 -Who's it for? -You. 1658 01:19:54,466 --> 01:19:57,800 It's from your daughters. [ Laughs ] 1659 01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,100 -You got the right people. Don't worry. We're good. 1660 01:20:04,133 --> 01:20:06,666 Thanks. 1661 01:20:06,666 --> 01:20:09,500 -[ Chuckles ] You want to put it inside, Tony? 1662 01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:11,966 You want to put it inside? -Yeah. 1663 01:20:13,466 --> 01:20:14,933 Guy was looking at us like... 1664 01:20:14,933 --> 01:20:16,466 -Poor guy. -..."What the...?" 1665 01:20:16,466 --> 01:20:18,366 [ Laughs ] 1666 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,033 So -- [ Laughs ] 1667 01:20:23,033 --> 01:20:25,633 Brad told me when I walked up to the house, 1668 01:20:25,633 --> 01:20:28,266 that is a classic way 1669 01:20:28,266 --> 01:20:30,166 of what they call a slow roll. 1670 01:20:30,166 --> 01:20:31,800 -Good morning! -Hi. 1671 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,733 Where somebody just pulls up and shoots from the car. 1672 01:20:34,733 --> 01:20:37,500 Whenever they see a slow roll, they go...bonkers. 1673 01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:39,200 -Oh, my God. The poor kid. 1674 01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,100 -Yeah. Did you see them jump out of the car? 1675 01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:43,633 -Yes! -Oh, my goodness. Whew! 1676 01:20:43,633 --> 01:20:45,600 -[ Laughs ] 1677 01:20:46,566 --> 01:20:48,900 -So, Tony has security 24/7. 1678 01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:57,100 It started in the spring of 2020. 1679 01:20:57,100 --> 01:21:01,666 Yeah, and they go with us everywhere we go. 1680 01:21:01,666 --> 01:21:03,700 I never answer the door. 1681 01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:05,833 I never answer the phone. 1682 01:21:05,833 --> 01:21:09,300 We don't get any mail at the house. 1683 01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:13,500 You feel like you have to be aware all the time 1684 01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:16,100 that there's a possible danger. 1685 01:21:17,766 --> 01:21:20,233 You didn't smell the rose yesterday. 1686 01:21:20,233 --> 01:21:22,100 Want to smell it? See if you can smell it? 1687 01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:23,400 -Yeah. Let me see. 1688 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,900 -[ Laughs ] 1689 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,966 -[ Sniffs ] Ahh. 1690 01:21:27,966 --> 01:21:29,733 -You got it? -Yeah. 1691 01:21:29,733 --> 01:21:31,566 -Good. 1692 01:21:31,566 --> 01:21:34,300 Some of the messages make me furious. 1693 01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:36,933 I mean, I get some of my own. 1694 01:21:36,933 --> 01:21:42,000 "You're gonna rot in hell, and you should be hung." 1695 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,966 You know, things like that. 1696 01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:48,300 -What's this? 1697 01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:50,200 -I mean, it's very sad actually. 1698 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,366 Sometimes it's scary, but mostly it's sad. 1699 01:21:52,366 --> 01:21:54,266 There are two things that are true. 1700 01:21:54,266 --> 01:21:56,433 One is I know how hard he works 1701 01:21:56,433 --> 01:21:58,966 and how much he cares about what he's doing. 1702 01:21:58,966 --> 01:22:02,166 And I also get to see lots of positive feedback 1703 01:22:02,166 --> 01:22:04,433 that he gets from people. 1704 01:22:04,433 --> 01:22:05,933 -Thanks. -You're one of my heroes. 1705 01:22:05,933 --> 01:22:08,833 -Yeah. Good to see you. Take care. 1706 01:22:08,833 --> 01:22:12,100 -You would think that some of the gratitude 1707 01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:13,966 was a positive thing. 1708 01:22:13,966 --> 01:22:15,466 It doesn't feel positive. 1709 01:22:15,466 --> 01:22:18,966 It feels exposed. You feel so exposed. 1710 01:22:18,966 --> 01:22:21,266 That just doesn't feel -- That doesn't feel good. 1711 01:22:21,266 --> 01:22:25,433 That's not a positive way to go through life. 1712 01:22:25,433 --> 01:22:27,433 -Fire Fauci! -Fauci, we know you're... 1713 01:22:27,433 --> 01:22:31,400 [ Indistinct shouting ] 1714 01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,366 -The motivations of these people who are attacking me, 1715 01:22:35,366 --> 01:22:36,933 they speak for themselves. 1716 01:22:36,933 --> 01:22:38,933 [ Horn honking ] 1717 01:22:38,933 --> 01:22:44,566 We're dealing with a completely hyper-hostile partisan group 1718 01:22:44,566 --> 01:22:48,900 who fundamentally I guess you could say hate me 1719 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:52,233 for reasons that I think I can figure out 1720 01:22:52,233 --> 01:22:55,333 because, you know, I stand for something 1721 01:22:55,333 --> 01:22:57,366 that may be inconvenient for them. 1722 01:22:57,366 --> 01:22:59,133 It's called the truth. 1723 01:22:59,133 --> 01:23:03,000 [ Indistinct shouting ] 1724 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,866 That is 1,000% different 1725 01:23:06,866 --> 01:23:09,000 than the AIDS activists. 1726 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:14,166 They were trying to get me to see what the truth was for them. 1727 01:23:14,166 --> 01:23:16,366 -We're here because this government has the resources 1728 01:23:16,366 --> 01:23:17,866 to deal with the AIDS epidemic, 1729 01:23:17,866 --> 01:23:20,700 and they won't do it unless we force them. 1730 01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:23,466 -Do your job, get back to work! 1731 01:23:23,466 --> 01:23:27,066 -When the activists were trying to get the attention 1732 01:23:27,066 --> 01:23:30,100 to say, "You're not considering our needs," 1733 01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:32,933 I was totally the bull's-eye. 1734 01:23:32,933 --> 01:23:35,500 -Dr. Anthony Fauci is deciding the research priorities 1735 01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:38,500 for the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. 1736 01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:40,766 We're down here 'cause we think we should be 1737 01:23:40,766 --> 01:23:42,166 deciding the research priorities 1738 01:23:42,166 --> 01:23:43,800 because these are the people who know what's going on 1739 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,766 'cause they're dealing with it every day! 1740 01:23:46,766 --> 01:23:49,566 -AIDS activists have an additional agenda. 1741 01:23:49,566 --> 01:23:53,200 John Roszak of public station KQED San Francisco 1742 01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,766 reports on one activist group called ACT UP. 1743 01:23:56,766 --> 01:23:59,600 -ACT UP! Fight back! Fight AIDS! 1744 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,600 -It was not, "Pretty please, do this for me." 1745 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,200 It was, "We're gonna close down your...Wall Street." 1746 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,233 -Healthcare is a right! 1747 01:24:09,233 --> 01:24:12,833 Healthcare is a right, healthcare is a right! 1748 01:24:12,833 --> 01:24:14,500 Healthcare is a right! 1749 01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:16,200 -And the Golden Gate Bridge. 1750 01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,766 -ACT UP! Fight back! 1751 01:24:17,766 --> 01:24:20,033 -Run over the son of a bitches! Run 'em over! 1752 01:24:20,033 --> 01:24:22,433 -And St. Patrick's Cathedral. 1753 01:24:22,433 --> 01:24:25,533 -Prayers won't save the 1 to 1.5 million people 1754 01:24:25,533 --> 01:24:28,766 infected by human immunodeficiency virus. 1755 01:24:28,766 --> 01:24:30,966 -We're not gonna take it anymore! 1756 01:24:30,966 --> 01:24:34,200 You're killing us! Stop it! 1757 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,266 -People die every day. Friends get sick every day. 1758 01:24:37,266 --> 01:24:39,166 I don't -- It's like being in the trenches. 1759 01:24:39,166 --> 01:24:41,000 There is such anger in the community, 1760 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:46,133 and it is coalescing in a way that has never been done before. 1761 01:24:46,133 --> 01:24:49,833 -There's this firebrand person, Larry Kramer. 1762 01:24:49,833 --> 01:24:51,633 He looked upon himself 1763 01:24:51,633 --> 01:24:56,033 and was the fiercest protector 1764 01:24:56,033 --> 01:24:57,800 of the gay community. 1765 01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,166 -What does it take to get this country 1766 01:25:01,166 --> 01:25:04,400 to take its...thumb out of its ass?! 1767 01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:08,666 -Larry Kramer made it a special cause of his 1768 01:25:08,666 --> 01:25:10,433 to pick me out 1769 01:25:10,433 --> 01:25:12,533 as the face of the federal government. 1770 01:25:12,533 --> 01:25:15,066 And it culminated in an extraordinary article 1771 01:25:15,066 --> 01:25:17,366 that he wrote in the San Francisco Examiner. 1772 01:25:17,366 --> 01:25:20,566 He got the front page of the magazine section 1773 01:25:20,566 --> 01:25:22,566 of the Sunday paper, 1774 01:25:22,566 --> 01:25:25,866 and it was an open letter to an "incompetent idiot," 1775 01:25:25,866 --> 01:25:27,600 and it was me. 1776 01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:33,333 "I called you murderer." 1777 01:25:33,333 --> 01:25:35,066 That was jolting. 1778 01:25:35,066 --> 01:25:36,900 For him to do that, 1779 01:25:36,900 --> 01:25:38,633 then maybe I really need to pay attention 1780 01:25:38,633 --> 01:25:40,500 what the hell is going on. 1781 01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:43,433 Larry Kramer was the explosion 1782 01:25:43,433 --> 01:25:45,666 that blew open the doors 1783 01:25:45,666 --> 01:25:49,733 to allow the more measured, informed, 1784 01:25:49,733 --> 01:25:53,866 energetic group of people to come and have an effect. 1785 01:25:53,866 --> 01:25:55,533 -We've just released a report, 1786 01:25:55,533 --> 01:25:58,166 a critique of all the NIH's AIDS programs. 1787 01:25:58,166 --> 01:26:00,333 -The research is spread out over 12 agencies. 1788 01:26:00,333 --> 01:26:01,866 There's no coordination. 1789 01:26:01,866 --> 01:26:04,700 There's a lot of duplication. There's no leadership. 1790 01:26:04,700 --> 01:26:07,866 -And that was predominantly Peter Staley, 1791 01:26:07,866 --> 01:26:10,933 Gregg Gonsalves, David Barr, 1792 01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:13,466 and a bunch of others that were there. 1793 01:26:13,466 --> 01:26:16,100 They turned out to be game changers. 1794 01:26:19,766 --> 01:26:20,766 -Cheers. -Cheers. Great to see you all. 1795 01:26:20,766 --> 01:26:22,600 -Cheers. Really good to see you, too. 1796 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,033 -I developed long-term friendships with the activists. 1797 01:26:26,033 --> 01:26:29,066 We were sort of like soldiers in the same war. 1798 01:26:29,066 --> 01:26:35,666 I can't precisely remember when we actually first met. 1799 01:26:35,666 --> 01:26:39,266 -We were all positive. -It was early '89. 1800 01:26:39,266 --> 01:26:40,666 -We would've been how old? 1801 01:26:40,666 --> 01:26:43,100 -I was 28. I was a baby. 1802 01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:45,100 [ Laughter ] 1803 01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:47,066 I'm gonna die from this. 1804 01:26:47,066 --> 01:26:50,400 This isn't gonna be cured for years and years 1805 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:51,833 and years and years. 1806 01:26:51,833 --> 01:26:53,466 -You know, maybe that is our future, 1807 01:26:53,466 --> 01:26:55,466 that we're gonna watch each other die. 1808 01:26:55,466 --> 01:26:57,133 That's not a new thought. 1809 01:26:57,133 --> 01:26:59,833 We've been thinking that ever since we started the group. 1810 01:26:59,833 --> 01:27:01,966 -We didn't get involved thinking, 1811 01:27:01,966 --> 01:27:03,766 "Oh, we're gonna get it and we're gonna look 1812 01:27:03,766 --> 01:27:07,500 at drug regulation and clinical research." 1813 01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:10,300 We wanted treatment 'cause we were sick. 1814 01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:16,133 And the only place where there was any possible area 1815 01:27:16,133 --> 01:27:20,000 to get any treatment was through the Clinical Research System. 1816 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,966 And that's what led us to you. 1817 01:27:22,966 --> 01:27:25,800 -You were a target, a major target. 1818 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,600 He was the head of AIDS research. 1819 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,133 And we were one of the most hated communities 1820 01:27:30,133 --> 01:27:31,633 in the country. 1821 01:27:31,633 --> 01:27:34,400 -Say the word "AIDS" in public. 1822 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,500 You know, that took the President seven years. 1823 01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:38,266 -Reagan, yeah. 1824 01:27:38,266 --> 01:27:40,233 -The polling showed that homophobia 1825 01:27:40,233 --> 01:27:42,066 just kept rising during AIDS. 1826 01:27:42,066 --> 01:27:44,766 There was a backlash that was just getting worse and worse. 1827 01:27:44,766 --> 01:27:46,400 -ACT UP! We'll never be silent again! 1828 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,633 ACT UP! We'll never be silent again! 1829 01:27:50,633 --> 01:27:51,833 ACT UP! 1830 01:27:51,833 --> 01:27:53,600 [ Indistinct shouting ] 1831 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,933 -This is a scientific institution! 1832 01:27:55,933 --> 01:27:59,300 You don't fit our profiles! 1833 01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:02,500 -When you guys would be theatrical and stuff, 1834 01:28:02,500 --> 01:28:04,766 the scientists would run away. 1835 01:28:04,766 --> 01:28:06,800 -Anthony Fauci, I... on you. 1836 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,733 I mean, what the hell are these people doing? 1837 01:28:08,733 --> 01:28:10,766 They're not producing drugs. 1838 01:28:10,766 --> 01:28:14,233 -And I was saying, "Let me put aside the theatrics, 1839 01:28:14,233 --> 01:28:16,500 the iconoclastic behavior, 1840 01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:19,800 the insults, the disruptions." 1841 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:21,500 I got the point of, "Wait a minute. 1842 01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:24,266 Just listen to what they're saying." 1843 01:28:29,333 --> 01:28:30,766 When I went down to 1844 01:28:30,766 --> 01:28:34,400 the Gay and Lesbian Community Center in New York City, 1845 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,000 it was like a 100 of you guys, and I was alone. 1846 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,500 [ Laughter ] 1847 01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:42,733 -You keep referring to data and how good it is, 1848 01:28:42,733 --> 01:28:44,233 whether it can be interpreted. 1849 01:28:44,233 --> 01:28:47,800 Now, the data, it has not been published. 1850 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,333 It's not available for anyone to scrutinize. 1851 01:28:50,333 --> 01:28:53,533 So I think that there's inconsistencies here. 1852 01:28:53,533 --> 01:28:55,233 -Now, that's wrong. 1853 01:28:55,233 --> 01:28:56,966 -But you keep saying I'm wrong. 1854 01:28:56,966 --> 01:28:59,166 -I'll tell you why you're wrong. -We got a point for the data. 1855 01:28:59,166 --> 01:29:01,366 -You see, this is what I mean. You're making a presumption, 1856 01:29:01,366 --> 01:29:02,800 and I'll tell you why you're absolutely wrong... 1857 01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,000 -Where is it? ...with all due respect. 1858 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,333 -Where is it? 1859 01:29:05,333 --> 01:29:07,633 -You go to a phone, you dial 1-800-TrialsAid, 1860 01:29:07,633 --> 01:29:09,300 and you ask them to send it to your home, 1861 01:29:09,300 --> 01:29:12,733 and they'll send you a packet of the data on that. 1862 01:29:12,733 --> 01:29:14,233 -Well, they didn't send it to ACT UP. 1863 01:29:14,233 --> 01:29:16,100 -They didn't send it to you? -No. 1864 01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:17,433 -We haven't gotten it. 1865 01:29:17,433 --> 01:29:18,866 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1866 01:29:18,866 --> 01:29:21,700 -We'll get you the raw data. The data is available. 1867 01:29:21,700 --> 01:29:23,866 The data is available. We'll give you the data. 1868 01:29:23,866 --> 01:29:25,466 I promise you, we'll give you the data. 1869 01:29:25,466 --> 01:29:27,133 Do you think that there's some conspiracy? 1870 01:29:27,133 --> 01:29:29,100 You don't think it exists? Why? 1871 01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:31,933 -Do I think there's a conspiracy? 1872 01:29:31,933 --> 01:29:35,400 Yes, I do think there is still a conspiracy 1873 01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,833 really to not help in a lot of different ways. 1874 01:29:37,833 --> 01:29:39,100 -We're gonna move on. 1875 01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:41,000 -I'll never forget that meeting. 1876 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,633 It was sort of like walking into a lion's den 1877 01:29:45,633 --> 01:29:47,866 with a bunch of lions who you didn't know 1878 01:29:47,866 --> 01:29:49,666 whether they were going to sit down 1879 01:29:49,666 --> 01:29:52,966 and let you pet them or they were going to chew you up. 1880 01:29:52,966 --> 01:29:55,533 -We do not have the power to tell people 1881 01:29:55,533 --> 01:29:57,600 what to do in the way that you do. 1882 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,100 You are a politician, as much as you are a scientist, 1883 01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:05,266 and we understand that and we respect that position. 1884 01:30:05,266 --> 01:30:06,366 -Well, I have to disagree with you, 1885 01:30:06,366 --> 01:30:07,400 whether you want to hoot it or not. 1886 01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:08,933 I am not a politician. 1887 01:30:08,933 --> 01:30:11,233 I have to function in a world 1888 01:30:11,233 --> 01:30:14,166 that overlaps politics and science, 1889 01:30:14,166 --> 01:30:16,966 but I have never had a political consideration 1890 01:30:16,966 --> 01:30:18,833 make any decision that I've made, 1891 01:30:18,833 --> 01:30:21,333 and my decisions are all scientific decisions. 1892 01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:22,933 Now, you can believe that or you don't have to believe it, 1893 01:30:22,933 --> 01:30:24,500 but that is the truth. 1894 01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:26,600 Okay? This is where I disagree with you. 1895 01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,366 I think that -- 1896 01:30:28,366 --> 01:30:31,233 This is nothing personal. Strictly business. 1897 01:30:31,233 --> 01:30:33,733 I think that you may be naive in understanding 1898 01:30:33,733 --> 01:30:37,166 how you can get things done in Washington, okay? 1899 01:30:37,166 --> 01:30:41,700 You don't get many shots of going out like the Lone Ranger. 1900 01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:44,933 You get one shot to get something done if you do that. 1901 01:30:44,933 --> 01:30:48,233 That's the name of the game. 1902 01:30:48,233 --> 01:30:51,333 -We knew we were gonna get the full "Fauc" effect. 1903 01:30:51,333 --> 01:30:52,900 [ Laughter ] 1904 01:30:52,900 --> 01:30:54,733 -I'm telling you. It's a thing. 1905 01:30:54,733 --> 01:30:56,400 [ Laughter ] 1906 01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,600 -Seize the FDA! Seize the FDA! 1907 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,900 -FDA! Don't delay! 1908 01:31:01,900 --> 01:31:04,366 52 will die today! 1909 01:31:04,366 --> 01:31:07,700 [ Indistinct shouting ] 1910 01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:10,166 -How did you get to the same level of frustration 1911 01:31:10,166 --> 01:31:14,300 with the FDA the same time we were? 1912 01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:18,166 -Well, something just didn't make any sense. 1913 01:31:18,166 --> 01:31:22,600 At the time, there was only one anti-HIV drug. 1914 01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,000 That was AZT. 1915 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,666 It was a drug that would keep you alive longer, 1916 01:31:28,666 --> 01:31:32,366 and it was something that everybody wanted to be on. 1917 01:31:32,366 --> 01:31:34,866 But even with the new drug, 1918 01:31:34,866 --> 01:31:37,966 people were getting a lot of opportunistic infections. 1919 01:31:37,966 --> 01:31:43,266 That's when I became aware of how crazily rigid we were. 1920 01:31:46,466 --> 01:31:49,733 I went to San Francisco. 1921 01:31:49,733 --> 01:31:52,333 They take me up to this apartment, 1922 01:31:52,333 --> 01:31:55,666 and there was a guy in bed -- 1923 01:31:55,666 --> 01:31:58,466 and he was obviously advanced disease -- 1924 01:31:58,466 --> 01:32:02,333 who was gradually losing his vision. 1925 01:32:02,333 --> 01:32:05,733 He had a virus called cytomegalovirus. 1926 01:32:05,733 --> 01:32:09,366 It rips away at your retina and makes you blind. 1927 01:32:09,366 --> 01:32:13,433 So, a new drug came out called ganciclovir. 1928 01:32:13,433 --> 01:32:17,033 And the FDA rule was 1929 01:32:17,033 --> 01:32:19,800 if you're getting ganciclovir, 1930 01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:24,033 you can't be on any other drug like AZT. 1931 01:32:24,033 --> 01:32:28,233 And he said, "Dr. Fauci, what the hell is going on here? 1932 01:32:28,233 --> 01:32:33,700 Either I'm going to go off the AZT and die sooner 1933 01:32:33,700 --> 01:32:38,466 or not take the CMV drug and go blind. 1934 01:32:38,466 --> 01:32:40,033 Are you...crazy?" 1935 01:32:40,033 --> 01:32:42,133 That's exactly what he told me. 1936 01:32:42,133 --> 01:32:43,566 And he really laid into me. 1937 01:32:43,566 --> 01:32:45,800 And it was just one of those things that -- 1938 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,533 Those were his exact words. 1939 01:32:47,533 --> 01:32:50,000 -So, we start pushing you on parallel track 1940 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,733 for the next five or six... 1941 01:32:51,733 --> 01:32:53,600 -The activists were saying, 1942 01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,366 "Why can't we have a parallel track 1943 01:32:57,366 --> 01:32:59,333 where you do your clinical trial -- 1944 01:32:59,333 --> 01:33:04,800 at the same time get drugs to people who needed drugs?" 1945 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,400 Which the FDA was dead set against. 1946 01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,200 But I really felt at that point I had to do it. 1947 01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:13,333 It was one of those things that I knew it was so right. 1948 01:33:13,333 --> 01:33:15,266 We're discussing it actively 1949 01:33:15,266 --> 01:33:17,100 with the people from the FDA to say, 1950 01:33:17,100 --> 01:33:19,233 "Let's just call a time-out here and see if we can conduct 1951 01:33:19,233 --> 01:33:21,400 these clinical trials at the same time 1952 01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,033 that we can make the drug available to those individuals 1953 01:33:24,033 --> 01:33:26,566 like I spoke to in San Francisco who want to be on the drug 1954 01:33:26,566 --> 01:33:29,333 but don't fit into the clinical trial." 1955 01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:38,666 Front page on every major newspaper. 1956 01:33:38,666 --> 01:33:40,800 I didn't realize it was gonna be a big splash. 1957 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,200 I really didn't. 1958 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:43,933 -What was hysterical about the New York Times  1959 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:43,933 article 1960 01:33:43,933 --> 01:33:47,733 is that you said, "I call it parallel track." 1961 01:33:47,733 --> 01:33:50,433 [ Laughter ] 1962 01:33:50,433 --> 01:33:52,766 -Did I say that, really? -Yes. 1963 01:33:52,766 --> 01:33:54,866 -Peter has the receipts. -Yeah. 1964 01:33:54,866 --> 01:33:58,233 -Well, I actually, though, have always given credit to the -- 1965 01:33:58,233 --> 01:33:59,900 -No, you have. You have. 1966 01:33:59,900 --> 01:34:02,900 -And I remember when I flew home on the red eye that night, 1967 01:34:02,900 --> 01:34:04,866 John Sununu called me. -Oh, really? 1968 01:34:04,866 --> 01:34:06,733 -Oh, yeah, I was -- -He was the chief of staff. 1969 01:34:06,733 --> 01:34:09,266 -He was chief of staff, and at that time I had developed 1970 01:34:09,266 --> 01:34:11,300 a really, really good relationship 1971 01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:13,300 with George H.W. Bush. 1972 01:34:13,300 --> 01:34:15,800 I mean, a really close, warm relationship. 1973 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,666 And Sununu gets on the phone and he says, 1974 01:34:17,666 --> 01:34:19,633 "Tony, the boss wants to know what's going on. 1975 01:34:19,633 --> 01:34:21,000 What is this all about?" 1976 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,833 He says, "You're at conflict with the FDA." 1977 01:34:23,833 --> 01:34:25,100 And I said, "John," I said, 1978 01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:27,033 "This is really the right thing to do. 1979 01:34:27,033 --> 01:34:28,833 So would you tell the President --" 1980 01:34:28,833 --> 01:34:30,333 I didn't speak to the President. 1981 01:34:30,333 --> 01:34:31,966 I said, "Would you tell the President that, 1982 01:34:31,966 --> 01:34:34,266 in my judgment, this was the right thing to do"? 1983 01:34:34,266 --> 01:34:37,433 So, you know, a few hours later, and whatever it is, 1984 01:34:37,433 --> 01:34:38,933 the next day, he calls back. 1985 01:34:38,933 --> 01:34:40,666 He says, "We're good. Don't worry about it." 1986 01:34:40,666 --> 01:34:43,900 Immediately the FDA says, "I'm with Fauci completely. 1987 01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:45,133 We're totally with him. 1988 01:34:45,133 --> 01:34:49,300 There's not a sliver of light between us." 1989 01:34:49,300 --> 01:34:51,500 -Certain days, he's a hero. Certain days... 1990 01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:53,533 [ Laughter ] 1991 01:34:53,533 --> 01:34:55,466 -We appreciated what you did. -Yeah. 1992 01:34:55,466 --> 01:34:57,000 -And we knew that, "Okay, 1993 01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,866 we have a working relationship now." 1994 01:34:58,866 --> 01:35:01,500 But we didn't go, "Oh, yay. It's a hero." 1995 01:35:01,500 --> 01:35:03,200 It's like -- Okay. We're all facing... 1996 01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:04,933 -Mass death. -...mass death. 1997 01:35:04,933 --> 01:35:07,266 People were dying around us all the time. 1998 01:35:07,266 --> 01:35:11,033 And we got a drop in the bucket for a drug that might work, 1999 01:35:11,033 --> 01:35:14,033 that might help some people for a short period of time. 2000 01:35:14,033 --> 01:35:18,033 We saw that and felt, well, we need to change that. 2001 01:35:18,033 --> 01:35:20,633 [ Cheers and applause ] 2002 01:35:20,633 --> 01:35:22,466 -We basically had won 2003 01:35:22,466 --> 01:35:25,633 most everything we wanted out of the FDA. 2004 01:35:25,633 --> 01:35:30,133 -For that day, the eyes of the country and the world were on us 2005 01:35:30,133 --> 01:35:31,933 and not on what the FDA had to say. 2006 01:35:31,933 --> 01:35:34,066 They were on our agenda. 2007 01:35:34,066 --> 01:35:38,966 -But there's still a lot of junk happening at NIAID 2008 01:35:38,966 --> 01:35:42,733 under Tony's purview that we have to fix. 2009 01:35:42,733 --> 01:35:45,700 We're dying of all these opportunistic infections, 2010 01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:48,566 and they're promising drugs for those opportunistic infections. 2011 01:35:48,566 --> 01:35:50,100 You're not studying those. 2012 01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:53,033 We're gonna be dead. And we needed it to turn around. 2013 01:35:53,033 --> 01:35:56,433 -We felt that we had a right to hear the data... 2014 01:35:56,433 --> 01:35:59,400 -Why don't you do, like, an informational slide first? 2015 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,333 -...and deciding what protocols would move ahead, 2016 01:36:02,333 --> 01:36:04,233 what the shape of those protocols were. 2017 01:36:04,233 --> 01:36:06,000 -Having a seat at the table at all, 2018 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,200 the decisions that matter to our lives. 2019 01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,866 But the executive committee was saying, "No...way." 2020 01:36:11,866 --> 01:36:14,800 -And we went to you and we went to your office and said, 2021 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,333 "Well, we want to be able to attend these meetings." 2022 01:36:17,333 --> 01:36:19,400 -We felt that you were on our side, 2023 01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,166 but you're not the Tony Fauci you are today. 2024 01:36:22,166 --> 01:36:25,166 You were still quite young and you were saying, 2025 01:36:25,166 --> 01:36:30,433 "I hear you, but the executive committee is like -- 2026 01:36:30,433 --> 01:36:32,300 They're a wall right now." 2027 01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:34,600 And then we upped the pressure. 2028 01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,366 -I don't know what Fauci thinks, 2029 01:36:36,366 --> 01:36:38,300 but this ain't Denmark and something stinks. 2030 01:36:38,300 --> 01:36:40,200 After three and a half years of existence, 2031 01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,400 there ain't much to justify subsistence. 2032 01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,266 Temperatures rising. It's getting warm. 2033 01:36:45,266 --> 01:36:48,333 The party's over. We're here to storm the NIH. 2034 01:36:48,333 --> 01:36:51,966 Let's go. Storm the NIH. This is war. 2035 01:36:51,966 --> 01:36:54,933 -Mounted police and others wearing rubber gloves 2036 01:36:54,933 --> 01:36:57,600 confronted about 1,000 AIDS activists this morning 2037 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,233 at the National Institutes of Health. 2038 01:37:01,233 --> 01:37:03,700 -You have to understand that the demonstrations 2039 01:37:03,700 --> 01:37:06,666 were theater, 2040 01:37:06,666 --> 01:37:08,766 and you need an enemy. 2041 01:37:08,766 --> 01:37:10,566 -We die! They do nothing! 2042 01:37:10,566 --> 01:37:14,266 We die! They do nothing! 2043 01:37:14,266 --> 01:37:16,200 -It wasn't about you personally. 2044 01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:17,966 -No, I never took any of that personally. 2045 01:37:17,966 --> 01:37:20,366 I used the famous "Godfather" thing -- 2046 01:37:20,366 --> 01:37:22,300 "strictly business, nothing personal." 2047 01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:23,800 [ Indistinct shouting ] 2048 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,533 And Peter was on the top of that little roof. 2049 01:37:26,533 --> 01:37:28,200 One of the cops almost had a heart attack 2050 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,966 because he goes by me with a cop standing there and he says, 2051 01:37:31,966 --> 01:37:34,100 "Hey, Tony, I told you I was gonna get arrested! 2052 01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:35,600 I'm the first person arrested!" 2053 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,100 And the cop looks at me. He's like, "Who the...is that?" 2054 01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:41,200 [ Laughter ] 2055 01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:45,400 I began to realize that you were on the right side of history 2056 01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:46,966 and they were not. 2057 01:37:46,966 --> 01:37:51,233 And it was at that point that I said, "I have to buck them." 2058 01:37:51,233 --> 01:37:53,300 -People with AIDS and their advocates 2059 01:37:53,300 --> 01:37:55,800 have finally done this for them. 2060 01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,466 This is it. 2061 01:37:57,466 --> 01:37:59,066 This is the plan we're presenting. 2062 01:37:59,066 --> 01:38:01,333 We need our government to read this plan. 2063 01:38:01,333 --> 01:38:03,133 We need them to work with us. 2064 01:38:03,133 --> 01:38:06,366 If they want to change it a little, we'll talk to them. 2065 01:38:06,366 --> 01:38:09,800 -So the demonstration and all of that had an effect? 2066 01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,266 -Yeah. 2067 01:38:11,266 --> 01:38:13,000 Particularly you getting arrested had an effect. 2068 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,366 -We did stupid... 2069 01:38:14,366 --> 01:38:17,466 We did things that were just totally counterproductive. 2070 01:38:17,466 --> 01:38:21,000 And, so, for all the criticisms that we can throw towards Tony, 2071 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,600 we can reflect it back on us. 2072 01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,700 -I mean, I think the right things 2073 01:38:25,700 --> 01:38:27,500 clearly outweighed the mistakes. 2074 01:38:27,500 --> 01:38:29,500 There were a couple of mistakes. -What about your mistakes? 2075 01:38:29,500 --> 01:38:31,700 -Yeah, I made a few. 2076 01:38:31,700 --> 01:38:33,266 -What the...Tony? 2077 01:38:33,266 --> 01:38:34,800 [ Laughter ] -Maybe one or two. 2078 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,700 -But then again, too few to mention. 2079 01:38:37,700 --> 01:38:39,200 -As Frank Sinatra says. 2080 01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,533 [ Laughter ] 2081 01:38:41,533 --> 01:38:43,500 To say the least. 2082 01:38:43,500 --> 01:38:48,666 ♪♪ 2083 01:38:48,666 --> 01:38:54,733 I looked at the MMWR in June and July 1981. 2084 01:38:54,733 --> 01:38:59,433 And 15 years later, the cocktail that opened up the door 2085 01:38:59,433 --> 01:39:01,966 to what people were calling the Lazarus Effect, 2086 01:39:01,966 --> 01:39:04,800 where people who were clearly, like, 2087 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,766 on their way to dying would all of a sudden be back up. 2088 01:39:08,766 --> 01:39:12,500 It was 1996. 2089 01:39:12,500 --> 01:39:19,100 But HIV/AIDS had that first period of a few years 2090 01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:22,600 that none of us who went through that will ever forget. 2091 01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,333 -Cheers. Great to see you all. -Cheers. 2092 01:39:24,333 --> 01:39:26,266 Really good to see you, too. 2093 01:39:26,266 --> 01:39:33,066 ♪♪ 2094 01:39:33,066 --> 01:39:34,966 -Of all the things that I've been involved with -- 2095 01:39:34,966 --> 01:39:39,466 basic science, clinical science, drugs for HIV -- 2096 01:39:39,466 --> 01:39:44,300 the idea of having partnered with George W. Bush 2097 01:39:44,300 --> 01:39:46,800 to create the President's Emergency Plan 2098 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,800 for AIDS Relief, which is PEPFAR. 2099 01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:55,166 And PEPFAR has saved millions of lives of people 2100 01:39:55,166 --> 01:39:59,666 receiving anti-HIV in Africa and developing countries. 2101 01:39:59,666 --> 01:40:01,533 To create that, I look upon 2102 01:40:01,533 --> 01:40:03,900 as the thing I will always consider 2103 01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:07,000 one of the most important things that I've done. 2104 01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:14,100 ♪♪ 2105 01:40:21,833 --> 01:40:24,366 -Let's take a snapshot of where we are right now. 2106 01:40:24,366 --> 01:40:27,766 The good news is that cases seem to be coming down 2107 01:40:27,766 --> 01:40:30,500 and have been doing so since January. 2108 01:40:30,500 --> 01:40:33,466 -The death rate, of course, has slowed dramatically. 2109 01:40:33,466 --> 01:40:35,600 -Vaccinations are increasing. 2110 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,233 That leads many to believe we are beginning 2111 01:40:38,233 --> 01:40:40,700 to see more light at the end of the tunnel. 2112 01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:42,633 -There is light at the end of the tunnel. 2113 01:40:42,633 --> 01:40:44,233 Things look good. 2114 01:40:44,233 --> 01:40:47,333 But we got to keep putting our foot to the pedal 2115 01:40:47,333 --> 01:40:50,166 when it comes to public-health measures. 2116 01:40:53,566 --> 01:41:07,066 ♪♪ 2117 01:41:07,066 --> 01:41:11,166 The real kick in the pants was when Delta came along. 2118 01:41:11,166 --> 01:41:13,366 ♪♪ 2119 01:41:13,366 --> 01:41:15,800 It was very discouraging, 2120 01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,200 to think you almost have your arms around it, 2121 01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,366 you almost have it grasped, 2122 01:41:20,366 --> 01:41:22,333 and all of a sudden, yet again, 2123 01:41:22,333 --> 01:41:24,533 you get another surge. 2124 01:41:24,533 --> 01:41:26,533 ♪♪ 2125 01:41:26,533 --> 01:41:30,133 The personal feeling is one of impotence, 2126 01:41:30,133 --> 01:41:32,600 like, "What am I going to do? 2127 01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,066 I mean, I'm doing my best, 2128 01:41:34,066 --> 01:41:37,966 and people are still getting infected and they're dying." 2129 01:41:37,966 --> 01:41:40,600 Even with all the tools we have, 2130 01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,466 we're averaging about 1,000 deaths per day. 2131 01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:53,233 In the very, very beginning, 2132 01:41:53,233 --> 01:41:56,366 if I knew then what I know now, 2133 01:41:56,366 --> 01:41:58,733 I would've done things differently. 2134 01:42:01,133 --> 01:42:07,133 Back -- Back in January, February of 2020, 2135 01:42:07,133 --> 01:42:11,666 there was data indicating 2136 01:42:11,666 --> 01:42:14,466 that you didn't need to have a mask -- 2137 01:42:14,466 --> 01:42:18,733 the data being that there's no evidence 2138 01:42:18,733 --> 01:42:22,166 that they protect outside of the hospital, 2139 01:42:22,166 --> 01:42:27,533 there's very little infection transmitted asymptomatically. 2140 01:42:27,533 --> 01:42:29,766 We have a shortage of masks. 2141 01:42:29,766 --> 01:42:32,600 The data were misleading. 2142 01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,800 But they were there. And they misled me. 2143 01:42:38,366 --> 01:42:42,500 If I were an infallible person, I would've said, 2144 01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:44,333 "Wear a mask anyway, 2145 01:42:44,333 --> 01:42:47,800 even if we don't know those things." 2146 01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,900 Maybe I should have done that. 2147 01:42:49,900 --> 01:42:54,200 But I was not acting on that kind of instinct. 2148 01:42:57,900 --> 01:43:01,000 Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah. 2149 01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:11,933 ♪♪ 2150 01:43:11,933 --> 01:43:14,033 [ Keyboard clacking ] 2151 01:43:14,033 --> 01:43:15,933 ♪♪ 2152 01:43:15,933 --> 01:43:20,833 -I've watched him for 38 years now. 2153 01:43:20,833 --> 01:43:25,433 And I have been -- persistently, actually -- 2154 01:43:25,433 --> 01:43:28,566 begging for some time off, 2155 01:43:28,566 --> 01:43:32,633 an afternoon or an evening or a weekend or something. 2156 01:43:32,633 --> 01:43:36,666 Just take some time to relax and do something else. 2157 01:43:36,666 --> 01:43:38,433 And he hasn't done it. He hasn't done it. 2158 01:43:38,433 --> 01:43:40,000 He won't do it. 2159 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,133 And so, you know, that's -- 2160 01:43:43,133 --> 01:43:45,700 I think that's where the toll is gonna be. 2161 01:43:45,700 --> 01:43:50,800 ♪♪ 2162 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:57,000 -♪ O'er the land of the free ♪ 2163 01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,966 [ Cheers and applause ] 2164 01:43:58,966 --> 01:44:04,500 ♪ And the home of the brave ♪ 2165 01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:06,233 [ Cheers and applause ] 2166 01:44:06,233 --> 01:44:07,700 Thank you. God bless America. 2167 01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:10,100 [ Cowbell clanging ] 2168 01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:12,166 ♪♪ 2169 01:44:12,166 --> 01:44:16,900 -My job is science, medicine, and public health. 2170 01:44:16,900 --> 01:44:19,333 And, unfortunately, 2171 01:44:19,333 --> 01:44:24,633 it got caught up in a very, very bizarre dynamics 2172 01:44:24,633 --> 01:44:26,400 that are going on in this country. 2173 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,766 -Do you trust the CDC and the FDA? 2174 01:44:28,766 --> 01:44:30,433 -No! 2175 01:44:30,433 --> 01:44:32,133 -Do you trust Fauci? 2176 01:44:32,133 --> 01:44:33,566 -No! 2177 01:44:33,566 --> 01:44:35,500 [ Cheering ] 2178 01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:37,700 -When you have this amount of divisiveness 2179 01:44:37,700 --> 01:44:42,366 and lack of ability to come together, 2180 01:44:42,366 --> 01:44:47,566 there's not a good ending to this. 2181 01:44:47,566 --> 01:44:51,066 In many respects, really scary. 2182 01:44:51,066 --> 01:44:54,633 You know, untruth, fabrication, 2183 01:44:54,633 --> 01:44:57,433 conspiracy theories, and politics 2184 01:44:57,433 --> 01:45:01,800 are the enemy of public health. 2185 01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:03,900 There's no way I'm gonna walk away from that, 2186 01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:05,566 because then that would be letting 2187 01:45:05,566 --> 01:45:07,633 these crazy elements win. 2188 01:45:07,633 --> 01:45:10,733 And there's no way they're gonna win, period. 2189 01:45:10,733 --> 01:45:15,233 -USA! USA! USA! USA! 2190 01:45:15,233 --> 01:45:17,300 -I don't want people to get the impression 2191 01:45:17,300 --> 01:45:19,166 that I'm never walking away from this job. 2192 01:45:19,166 --> 01:45:22,300 If this thing gets down to a good control, whatever that is, 2193 01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:23,800 I have no idea what time that's gonna be. 2194 01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:25,800 That may be this year. That may be next year. 2195 01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:27,100 I don't know. 2196 01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:29,800 But I want to get it to the point where we can say 2197 01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:33,700 that we have a pretty good control over this outbreak, 2198 01:45:33,700 --> 01:45:36,566 and when we do, then I will seriously consider. 2199 01:45:36,566 --> 01:46:04,300 ♪♪ 2200 01:46:17,533 --> 01:46:19,066 -Dr. Anthony Fauci has announced 2201 01:46:19,066 --> 01:46:23,366 that he will step down in December. 2202 01:46:23,366 --> 01:46:27,666 -You're 81. Why are you -- Why are you stepping down now? 2203 01:46:27,666 --> 01:46:30,600 Why retire now? You've come this far. 2204 01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:32,900 -Some might say, "What took you so long?" 2205 01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:34,633 [ Laughs ] 2206 01:46:34,633 --> 01:46:38,333 -The face of COVID himself, Dr. Anthony Fauci, 2207 01:46:38,333 --> 01:46:41,700 announces retirement after 50 long years 2208 01:46:41,700 --> 01:46:43,366 of bleeding the government dry. 2209 01:46:43,366 --> 01:46:45,133 Tony sees the writing on the wall and knows 2210 01:46:45,133 --> 01:46:47,133 Republicans are gonna retake the house in November 2211 01:46:47,133 --> 01:46:49,233 and investigate him into oblivion. 2212 01:46:52,966 --> 01:46:55,933 -We've talked about it for a while. 2213 01:46:55,933 --> 01:46:59,366 One thing that actually was part of our conversation was, 2214 01:46:59,366 --> 01:47:01,566 "Will people think that's the reason?" 2215 01:47:01,566 --> 01:47:03,100 And the answer is no. 2216 01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:04,766 I mean, there's so many other reasons 2217 01:47:04,766 --> 01:47:07,566 that make sense for Tony in his life. 2218 01:47:07,566 --> 01:47:10,500 -The landmark that I was counting on 2219 01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:15,766 was getting the COVID outbreak behind me. 2220 01:47:15,766 --> 01:47:20,533 We have a very unusual virus, so the best we're gonna do 2221 01:47:20,533 --> 01:47:22,666 is to get it down to a low-enough level 2222 01:47:22,666 --> 01:47:25,400 that you can essentially live with it. 2223 01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,266 We are never gonna eradicate this. 2224 01:47:27,266 --> 01:47:28,466 -I think some of it -- 2225 01:47:28,466 --> 01:47:30,033 and you can correct me if this is wrong -- 2226 01:47:30,033 --> 01:47:34,000 some of it was a realization that tying the knot on this 2227 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,333 was not gonna be something that could be done in six months 2228 01:47:37,333 --> 01:47:38,900 or maybe even six years. 2229 01:47:38,900 --> 01:47:44,166 -So, what's gonna be different in June of 2023 2230 01:47:44,166 --> 01:47:46,600 that's different from now? 2231 01:47:49,033 --> 01:47:50,633 Nothing. [ Chuckles ] 2232 01:47:54,233 --> 01:47:55,700 Hey, Brad. -Morning, sir. How are you? 2233 01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:58,533 -I'm good. How are you? -Doing well. Thank you. 2234 01:47:58,533 --> 01:48:10,000 ♪♪ 2235 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:12,800 -I've been coming onto this campus 2236 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,866 every single day for 54 years. 2237 01:48:15,866 --> 01:48:17,666 -Alright, sir. -Alright. See you later. 2238 01:48:17,666 --> 01:48:19,400 Thanks. 2239 01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:23,900 ♪♪ 2240 01:48:23,900 --> 01:48:25,533 This is my home. 2241 01:48:25,533 --> 01:48:30,233 It's been my home longer than most people have been alive. 2242 01:48:30,233 --> 01:48:34,266 But I have to step down sometime. 2243 01:48:34,266 --> 01:48:36,733 -When you told your wife and your kids, 2244 01:48:36,733 --> 01:48:40,866 "I'm going to retire," what did they say to you? 2245 01:48:40,866 --> 01:48:42,766 -Well, they were very pleased. 2246 01:48:42,766 --> 01:48:45,233 They know me better, that I likely will not retire 2247 01:48:45,233 --> 01:48:47,400 in the classic sense. 2248 01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:50,666 But they took it a little skeptically. 2249 01:48:50,666 --> 01:48:52,833 They're saying, "Well, you know, sure, Dad, 2250 01:48:52,833 --> 01:48:56,333 you're gonna retire, but we don't believe you." 2251 01:48:56,333 --> 01:48:58,033 [ Laughs ] 2252 01:48:58,033 --> 01:49:09,933 ♪♪ 2253 01:49:09,933 --> 01:49:11,800 One of my aspirations 2254 01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:15,333 was to stay until we had an HIV vaccine. 2255 01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:20,866 It's such a formidable scientific problem. 2256 01:49:20,866 --> 01:49:24,966 But there are enough good people in the field 2257 01:49:24,966 --> 01:49:27,833 to take the baton and get over the finish line. 2258 01:49:27,833 --> 01:49:30,466 I can't be in the battle forever. 2259 01:49:30,466 --> 01:49:34,566 ♪♪ 2260 01:49:34,566 --> 01:49:36,300 Oh, am I old. 2261 01:49:40,833 --> 01:49:42,333 When people say, 2262 01:49:42,333 --> 01:49:44,366 "Congratulations on your retirement. 2263 01:49:44,366 --> 01:49:46,200 Where are you gonna go play golf and where you gonna...?" 2264 01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,866 I mean, the thought of that is almost ludicrous to me. 2265 01:49:50,866 --> 01:49:55,433 ♪♪ 2266 01:49:55,433 --> 01:49:57,866 What do I have left in me? 2267 01:49:57,866 --> 01:50:01,266 ♪♪ 2268 01:50:01,266 --> 01:50:04,733 While I still have the energy, 2269 01:50:04,733 --> 01:50:06,566 let me start what I hope will be 2270 01:50:06,566 --> 01:50:09,400 a several-year period of being out there 2271 01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:13,033 trying to inspire people to go into science. 2272 01:50:13,033 --> 01:50:14,766 -You got your next one. 2273 01:50:14,766 --> 01:50:16,366 -Ready? -Yep. 2274 01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,866 -This next chapter is scary, 2275 01:50:28,866 --> 01:50:32,200 and jumping out is gonna be hard. 2276 01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,466 But once the parachute opens and you land 2277 01:50:35,466 --> 01:50:38,900 and figure out what's next, it could be really great. 2278 01:50:38,900 --> 01:50:41,866 So I think it's gonna be kind of like that. 2279 01:50:41,866 --> 01:50:43,333 -Let's hope the parachute opens. 2280 01:50:43,333 --> 01:50:45,233 [ Both laugh ] 2281 01:50:45,233 --> 01:50:47,000 -It will. 2282 01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:55,366 ♪♪ 2283 01:50:55,366 --> 01:50:57,800 -Public health is the broader issue 2284 01:50:57,800 --> 01:50:59,933 of the health of a population... 2285 01:50:59,933 --> 01:51:02,066 ♪♪ 2286 01:51:02,066 --> 01:51:06,200 ...even though the public is made up of individual people. 2287 01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:09,666 ♪♪ 2288 01:51:09,666 --> 01:51:13,566 Even though, strictly speaking, 2289 01:51:13,566 --> 01:51:17,333 my training was not in public health... 2290 01:51:17,333 --> 01:51:21,666 ♪♪ 2291 01:51:21,666 --> 01:51:25,200 ...I'm a physician, 2292 01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,166 so I know what it means to be responsible 2293 01:51:27,166 --> 01:51:29,066 for an individual patient. 2294 01:51:29,066 --> 01:51:36,300 ♪♪ 2295 01:51:36,300 --> 01:51:40,533 Going back to my days when I was a resident and chief resident 2296 01:51:40,533 --> 01:51:45,133 at the New York Hospital Cornell Medical Center... 2297 01:51:45,133 --> 01:51:48,000 that feeling you would get in the middle of the night -- 2298 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,533 you've really taken care of your patient. 2299 01:51:50,533 --> 01:51:52,200 ♪♪ 2300 01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:53,700 Somebody might have died 2301 01:51:53,700 --> 01:51:56,366 if you didn't pay that attention to them. 2302 01:51:56,366 --> 01:51:58,000 ♪♪ 2303 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,966 That's the feeling that counts. 2304 01:52:00,966 --> 01:52:04,966 It's how you feel about what you've accomplished. 2305 01:52:04,966 --> 01:52:09,800 ♪♪ 2306 01:52:11,466 --> 01:53:10,600 ♪♪