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Kevin:
On "Ask This Old House,"

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our experts travel
across the country

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to answer questions
about your house.

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Today, Nathan heads to Tulsa
to bring some curb appeal

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to a street-side utility cover
in need of repair.

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Then Ross will educate us
on the dangers

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of low-level
carbon monoxide exposure

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and what we can do
to protect ourselves.

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Plus, what do you do

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when your fireplace
is covered in creosote?

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Give Mark a call
so he can work his magic.

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That's all coming up next
on "Ask This Old House."

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Nathan:
I recently received an e-mail

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from a homeowner out in Tulsa,
Oklahoma, who said

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he's got a little bit
of a curb-appeal issue

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he'd like help with.

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He moved out there
about a year ago

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with the Tulsa Remote program,
which is a really cool idea

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where they're actually
giving you money

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to move to the city
and work from there.

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It's actually kind of
an interesting idea

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considering so many people
can work from home now.

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Looking at the forecast,

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it looks like we have
a little bit of rain coming.

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Hopefully it holds out,
but I'll grab my rain jacket,

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my tools,
and we'll head on over.

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Hi, Dwayne.
Dwayne: Hi. Welcome to Tulsa.

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Nathan: Nice to meet you.
Dwayne: Nice to meet you.

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Nathan: I heard
you're a new resident here.

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Dwayne: Yeah, I just
moved here about a year ago.

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Nathan:
What brings you to Tulsa?

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Dwayne:
Well, Tulsa Remote program.

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I'm from Wisconsin,

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so a lot of stuff to do here
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like the Gathering Place.
Nathan: Yeah.

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Dwayne: There, Turkey Mountain.
Nathan: Oh, nice.

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Dwayne: Paintballing indoor.
I mean, there's...

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I can go on and on,
but lots of things to do,

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and I absolutely love it.

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Nathan: You wrote me
about a curb-appeal project

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that you wanted to spruce up.
Where is that at?

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Dwayne: Right over here.
Nathan: Right.

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Dwayne: So, here is the project.
Nathan: Yep.

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Dwayne: As you can see,
the wood's rotting,

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a lot of green moss
buildup here.

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Wood's breaking down here.

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I'm not even sure
if it's up to code.

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And the ground is also unstable,
it seems like.

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Nathan: So, it's seen
some better days.

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We can definitely make
some improvements here.

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So, first off,
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is this gas meter here.

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And they did do it right.
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but they left the top and
the rear open, which is good.

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That's to code.

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We definitely want
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We don't want
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We want to give, you know,
emergency services

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or any utility services

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the opportunity to come
if they need to shut it off

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in an emergency
or if they need to swap a meter,

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give them the opportunity
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This one, you know, they drove
some stakes in there.

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I'd rather not drive
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I'd rather try and make
like a wide base

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that it'll just be really heavy
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Dwayne: Okay.
Nathan: And that way, too,

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if they ever had to do
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they could move it
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and put it back
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I think it's going to be
a pretty fun project.

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Want to give it a try?

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Dwayne: Sounds good.
Let's do it.

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Nathan: Let's just try pulling.
Seems pretty loose.

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Let's try pulling this out, too.

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Oh, yeah, that's even easier.

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Hey.
Dwayne: Hey.

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Nathan: This is the stuff
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and I decided to set up
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because it looks like
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So, we'll try and build
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and then bring it out there
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But I just want to show you
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To start at the bottom,

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I have this
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So, what this is going to do
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in ground contact,
so it's very rot-resistant.

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That'll make a really nice base
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I'm going to do cedar
for all the rest.

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I'm going to do my posts
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I have some of this cedar
fencing panel that we'll use

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and we'll run it horizontally.

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Really nice, clean look.

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And then I'll cap everything off
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Over time, you can sand it,
you can stain it,

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you can just let it gray out.

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It'll really age nicely.

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I thought it'd be a nice touch

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to maybe pick up
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So, I picked up your
five, five, four, six

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in these four-inch
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You like the look?
Dwayne: Yeah, kind of pops.

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Nathan: Yeah, and I think
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if we're going to run
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We'll pick a nice spot
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and put those on.

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Glue for any of our miters.

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Attaching our base and our cap,

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we're going to use
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And then for attaching
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I'm going to use
these stainless screws.

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These have
a nice head on them.

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It's really going to hold
that in, instead of using

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like a finish nail,
which might pop out over time.

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These will age really well.
They'll never rot.

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So, I think we'll get started.
We'll move everything off

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and we'll get started
by building the base.

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Dwayne: Okay.
Nathan: Alright.

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[ Saw whirs ]

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So, now that we have
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I'm going to go 42 inches.

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And then what we'll do is we'll
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So, we'll come back off of that.

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And then the remainder,
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I'll cut another 2-foot piece

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and that will be
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Dwayne: So, my question is,
what is the tint in here?

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It looks like
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Nathan:
So, it's actually copper.

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It's one of the major components

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that they infuse the wood with
nowadays to keep the pests

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and the bugs
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...I'll just pull 2 feet
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and this will just be
a regular 90-degree square cut.

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It likes those short little
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Not those long miters.

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Alright. Alright.

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So, now what we have
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we need to build up our base.

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So, we've got
a nice miter there.

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Nice miter there.

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And then what
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is a minimum of 24 inches
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And we have 30.

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So, now we're going to have
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to move this back and forth.

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We're not going to choke down
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So, to attach these together,

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I'm pretty much just going to do
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Alright.
Alright.

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So, the easiest way
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that we're going to cut

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is just to lay out the material
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I'd rather not have
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have any custom pieces.

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They're somewhat consistent.
They vary in size a little bit.

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we get 28 inches.

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27 inches was the old one.

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A little bit higher
won't be bad.

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If I gap these a little bit,

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about an eighth, strong eighth
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we may finish
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I think that would be
a good look for us.

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So, we'll cut four posts.

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Or, we're actually
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because we're going
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We'll cut six pieces
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at 28 1/2 inches.

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Dwayne: Okay.

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Nathan: Alright, so we want
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two of these together
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And then these are going
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we have our posts cut,

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and what we're going to do
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and our placement for these
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So, we can flush it to the front
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or we can hold it back
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give it a little bit
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Dwayne: I like it flush.
Nathan: You like it flush?

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Alright, so that's easy.
It'll help us with our layout.

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What we're going to do is
flush that right to the front.

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I'm just going to make
a pencil mark.

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Alright.
And then we'll do the sides.

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So, what we did is
we just created a setback.

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So, now we know
we have our post...

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When we put our post in,

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it's going to come
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and mount right there,

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and then we'll take our single,
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Panels on the front.
It'll be nice and flush.

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So, now we're ready
to install these.

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We cut some of this extra 2x4.

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It's actually pressure treated,
but we're going to...

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we're going to use it anyways
to stiffen up this top.

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Alright, we're ready
to start cutting

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these cedar fencing boards.

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Luckily, I can get three pieces
out of each 6-footer.

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So, I need five for each side
and I need five for the front.

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Alright, now we're ready
to finish off the top.

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I grabbed a nice piece
of premium 2x6 cedar,

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and it's going to be kind of
like the bottom.

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I'm just going to make it
a little bit longer

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so we have a 1-inch overhang
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So, let's do a little glue
on this miter.

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Alright.
You want to go see if it fits?

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Dwayne: Yeah.
Nathan: Alright.

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Alright.
Alright, lower it down.

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Seems that wants
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So, the last thing that
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is for a little added weight,
I'm just going to drop

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a couple pavers in
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Dwayne: Okay.

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Nathan: If you feel like
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you can do that,

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but this is just a little bit
of extra weight.

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Alright, Dwayne,
what do you think?

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Dwayne: I think it looks great.

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Nathan: Yeah, it came out nice.
You can let it gray out,

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you can paint it,
you can stain it,

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add a little mulch
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let it blend right in.

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Dwayne: Sounds good.
Thanks for coming to Tulsa.

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Kevin: Hey, Ross.
Ross: Hey, Kevin.

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Kevin: More detectors
you got here.

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What are we talking about?

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Ross: Talking about
carbon monoxide,

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especially
low-level carbon monoxide.

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Kevin: Oh, okay.
I was going to say,

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we have talked about
carbon monoxide before.

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Ross: Right.
Kevin: So, alright.

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So, what do you mean, low-level?
Ross: Right.

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Carbon monoxide comes
when you burn stuff, right?

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So, fossil fuels,
oil, gas, propane, wood.

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And when you burn things
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carbon monoxide is one of
the by-products of combustion.

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Kevin: And we have combustion
in our houses

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in a whole bunch
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whether it's the furnace
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or I guess even our fireplace.
Ross: That's right.

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So, when those don't burn right,
we introduce carbon monoxide.

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And if they don't vent
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they come back
into the building.

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Kevin: Right.
Ross: Okay.

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So, the first line of defense

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is your UL-rated
carbon monoxide alarms.

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These are them right here.
You see them on the ceilings.

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Kevin: Yeah.
Ross: Right?

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And they are there
to give you life safety.

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Meaning if they beep,
you need to call 911.

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You need to get out, right?
Kevin: Right.

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They're basically code, right?

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I mean, I have to have these or
should have these in my house.

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Ross: They're code.
Kevin: For good reason.

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Ross: Exactly right. Yep.

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And they have to be
specific areas around the house.

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Very, very important.
Right?

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The other thing that people
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is that they have thresholds

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that they have to meet
to be UL-rated, okay?

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So, 70 parts per million
for up to four hours

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is where the first tier that
this thing will alert you at.

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Kevin: Whoa, wait, wait.

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You're telling me
that it's not

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just the amount of
carbon monoxide in the building,

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but it's got to be there
for four hours?

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Ross: That's right.
Kevin: This won't go off

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until four hours has passed?
Ross: That's right.

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At 70 parts per million.
Kevin: Aah!

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Ross: Exactly. Right.
So, it's concentration in time.

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And a lot of people
don't realize that.

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If it goes to
150 parts per million,

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it will have to be there
for up to 50 minutes

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before it alerts you.

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And the same thing when it gets
to 400 parts per million,

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it's 15 minutes, right?

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So, it's there to make sure
that it alerts you properly

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so that you don't die.

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Kevin: But if this
isn't going off,

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it doesn't necessarily mean

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I don't have carbon monoxide
in my building?

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Ross: Right.
It's crazy, right?

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You could be at 20 parts
per million forever

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and it would never,
never go off.

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Kevin: Well, now I have
a headache. Okay.

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So, that's what
these things do?

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Ross: So, these are low-level
carbon monoxide monitors.

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So, these monitor
carbon monoxide

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and they measure all the way
down to five parts per million.

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Okay, and they give you
a continuous readout.

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You can see it's zero right now.

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Of course,
if we had carbon monoxide,

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that level would increase

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and it would tell you
what it is, real time.

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Kevin: So, that's actually
really good to know

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because, as you say,
it will tell me if I have it

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and it will tell me
at what levels.

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Ross: At what levels. Exactly.

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Kevin: Will it alarm?
Ross: And it will alarm.

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It will start off
with a visual alert

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and then it will go to
an audio alert -- it will beep.

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Kevin: at what level?
Or do I set that?

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Ross: So, it depends
on the manufacturer.

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Yeah, so some of them
start at 10, 15, and up to 30.

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Kevin: Yeah. Okay.
So, why is it so bad for us?

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Like, what actually is going on?
Because, you know,

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you guys have described
carbon monoxide

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as odorless, tasteless.
You can't see it.

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Ross: That's right.
Kevin: It's pretty insidious.

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Ross: That's right.

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Kevin: But what is it
doing to us?

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This makes us sick.
Ross: So, yeah.

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So, when you have
carbon monoxide in your building

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and you breathe it in, right,
your red blood cells

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will go after the carbon
monoxide versus the oxygen.

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So you're actually replacing
oxygen in your red blood cells

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with carbon monoxide.
Kevin: Mm.

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Ross: So, you're slowly
increasing the carbon monoxide

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of your red blood cells
over time.

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And then it starts off with,
you know, headaches, fatigue,

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and then it can increase
all the way to nausea

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and flu-like symptoms,
and then eventually, obviously,

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you can get into death,
like we talked about before.

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Kevin: You're basically
suffocating, essentially,

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from the inside out.

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Ross: Exactly right. Yep.
Kevin: Phew.

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Ross: Yeah. So, very scary.
Kevin: Alright.

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So, just a little bit
of pushback.

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If you're telling me that
there's a device on the market

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and it's UL-rated

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and it has to be in our houses
per code or whatever

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and it's not going to alarm

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until we get...70 parts
per million for four hours?

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Ross: That's right. Yeah.

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Kevin: That suggests to me
that levels below that

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aren't something
that I should be worried about.

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Otherwise, these guys
would be changing their rules.

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Ross: That's right.
Kevin: Why do I care

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if it's 20 parts per million?

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Ross: Well, there are multiple
studies that have been released

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that talk about how at risk
you are at different levels.

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Right, and so depending on
if you're an infant, pregnant,

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you know,
an elderly person,

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immunocompromised,
different levels of CO

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are going to affect
you differently, right?

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Kevin: So, vulnerable
populations

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are going to be affected.

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I get it.
Ross: Absolutely. Yeah.

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And so, if you look
at some of the EPA

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and some of the other standards
that are out there,

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like OSHA, for example,

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basically has an eight-hour
time average of 35.

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So, if you're indoors
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you should never see more
than 35 parts per million.

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That's, of course, half.

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Kevin: And so, if I'm
a perfectly healthy person,

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is there a level
that I'm comfortable with or...?

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Ross: I mean, me personally,
zero is where I'm trying to be.

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Kevin: Well, look at you, man.
Just look at you.

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You're a zero ppm kind of guy.

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Ross: I'm just not happy with CO
in my space, in my space,

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in any house,
in any indoor environment,

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right,
we don't want carbon monoxide.

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There's a reason why it's called
the silent killer.

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Right?
And even at low-level amounts,

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it's still going to affect us
in a negative way.

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Kevin: It's persuasive

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when I hear that these don't
tell me if it's there

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and those tell me
if it is there.

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So, how much?
And where do I put them?

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Ross: Yeah, so, $100 to $200
for the price point.

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And then on top of that,
location.

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You know, what
we would recommend --

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where do you spend
the most amount of your time?

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It's in the bedroom, right?

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That's where
we're most vulnerable.

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So, eight hours a day in the
bedroom, that's the first place.

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If I could pick one location,
it's going to be the bed

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or near the group of bedrooms
in your house.

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If I could take it
a step further, depending on

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the size of the house,
maybe one of the basement,

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maybe one on the first floor
as well,

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depending on where you have
other carbon-monoxide-generating

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devices,
like fireplaces,

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furnaces, boilers, et cetera.
Kevin: Cool. Yeah.

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Listen, I thought we were done
talking about carbon monoxide,

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but lots more to learn.
Ross: Yeah.

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Kevin: Thank you.
Ross: Awesome.

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Alli: Mark, hi!
Mark: Hey, Alli.

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How you doing?
Alli: I'm great.

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Mark: Alright.
Alli: Welcome to our home.

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Mark: I love this room.
This is great.

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Alli: Yeah.
We call this the big room.

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Mark: Okay. That fits.
Alli: There's a lot of.

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historical details that
we really love about this house.

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Mark: Yeah, I noticed
two fireplaces in there.

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That's awesome.
Alli: You have two in there.

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Now, one in the formal
dining room here.

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Mark: Wow.

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Alli: We have a total of ten.

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Mark: Ten?!
Alli: [ Laughing ] Yeah.

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Mark: You're lucky.

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Alli: Yeah, and like any house,
we end up spending

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the most amount of time
here in the kitchen.

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Mark: Okay.

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Alli: So, the fireplace
we wrote you about is here.

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Mark: Right.

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Alli: There's a lot of cool
things about it,

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but some cleanup
that we want to do,

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especially with
the creosote buildup,

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before we're really
comfortable using it.

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Mark: Okay.
Alright.

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Couple things
that I do notice.

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I love that grill over there.

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You can use that for cooking,
which is fantastic.

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I really love this
cooking arm right here,

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so you can take your pot out,

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put your pot back,
boil your water.

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But, unfortunately,
what I also noticed

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was all this creosote
back here can be dangerous.

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Alli: Yes, a lot of cleanup
that we've been trying to do.

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So, we burnt a couple
of creosote logs.

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We've taken some dish soap
and scrubbing over here.

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But as we're getting into more
of the buildup of the creosote,

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a little unsure of the next
steps we should be taking.

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Mark: The main issue
with creosote

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is that it is
extremely flammable.

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The more creosote that you have,
the bigger the risk.

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I think we can handle it.
It is pretty bad.

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First thing I want to do,
though,

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is grab my flashlight.

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We should check everything out
while we're here.

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Okay.
So, just as suspected,

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we do see a little bit of
creosote buildup in the flues.

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So, creosote comes
in three different stages.

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What we have in these flues
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It's really just
an ashy substance.

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But what we have in this firebox
is stage two and stage three.

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Stage two
is all this flaky stuff

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that you're looking at,
which is pretty bad.

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But the worst of it
is what we call stage three.

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And you can see
the oily substance, very shiny.

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That's the real danger part.

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So, we definitely want
to concentrate, get rid of that.

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Alli:
So, what exactly is creosote?

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Mark: Creosote is
when fossil fuels --

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and in this case,
the fossil fuel

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is going to be the wood --

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when it doesn't combust
the way it should.

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So, if the fireplace
isn't working

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as great as we want it to,

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the burn is going to be
a lot slower,

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and that's going to create
a lot of the creosote.

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And one of the big culprits
when you use the wood

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is the logs are wet

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or they haven't been
dried out properly.

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00:17:55,266 --> 00:17:56,900
That's going to cause
the creosote.

480
00:17:56,966 --> 00:18:00,166
And the biggest culprit, to me,
is when people burn pine.

481
00:18:00,233 --> 00:18:03,766
It's very soft,
very wet and sappy,

482
00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:05,966
and that turns into creosote
very quickly.

483
00:18:06,033 --> 00:18:07,566
Alli: So, how do we
tackle this now?

484
00:18:07,633 --> 00:18:10,033
Mark: You have to remember
that this is very,

485
00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:11,366
very hard to remove,

486
00:18:11,433 --> 00:18:13,333
so we're going to do
a few different things.

487
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,833
Alli: Great. Let's do it.

488
00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:16,500
So, where do we get started?

489
00:18:16,566 --> 00:18:18,366
Mark: Alright.
So, what we're going to do first

490
00:18:18,433 --> 00:18:20,633
is we're going to
start out dry, okay?

491
00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,466
And what we're going to do
is we're going to use

492
00:18:22,533 --> 00:18:23,666
this metal putty knife.

493
00:18:23,733 --> 00:18:25,533
That'll take off
a lot of the flakiness

494
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,500
and a lot of the stage-three
stuff, hopefully.

495
00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,833
We're also going to use
this 4-inch grinder.

496
00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:32,333
It's got a metal wheel on it.

497
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,833
Hopefully, that's going
to help us

498
00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:36,566
take off the leafy stuff
and the hard stuff.

499
00:18:36,633 --> 00:18:39,300
We're going to also use a drill
with an abrasive blade.

500
00:18:39,366 --> 00:18:41,500
That should take off
some of the other heavy stuff.

501
00:18:41,566 --> 00:18:43,700
After that, we're going
to wet the wall down

502
00:18:43,766 --> 00:18:45,400
and we're going
to use chemicals.

503
00:18:45,466 --> 00:18:48,533
This guy right here,
you can get out of any store.

504
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,300
Hopefully, that takes care
of everything and that works.

505
00:18:51,366 --> 00:18:53,800
If it doesn't, we're going
to get more aggressive.

506
00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:55,500
I took this out
of the brickyard.

507
00:18:55,566 --> 00:18:57,300
It's got some
stronger chemicals in it.

508
00:18:57,366 --> 00:19:00,033
All we're going to do with that
is use this bristle brush.

509
00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:01,133
We're going to
take this material

510
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,466
and kind of spread it,
let it set up,

511
00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,066
and then hopefully
it's doing its work,

512
00:19:05,133 --> 00:19:07,933
we wash it down, and some
of this stuff disappears.

513
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,400
Importantly, we want
to make sure we're safetied up.

514
00:19:10,466 --> 00:19:12,633
A set of goggles
and gloves for you.

515
00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:13,966
Same for me.

516
00:19:14,033 --> 00:19:15,433
And the last thing
we want to make sure

517
00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:16,766
is we have proper ventilation.

518
00:19:16,833 --> 00:19:19,400
So, open doors,
open windows, as we have,

519
00:19:19,466 --> 00:19:21,566
and that should be able
to get us started.

520
00:19:21,633 --> 00:19:23,333
Alli: Great. Let's do it.
Mark: Alright.

521
00:19:25,466 --> 00:19:26,900
Alli: So, what's the technique
with this?

522
00:19:26,966 --> 00:19:28,166
Going for it?

523
00:19:28,233 --> 00:19:29,733
Mark: Just going for it.
That's it.

524
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,300
Actually, I'm pretty happy
with the start.

525
00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:37,500
Alright, Alli,
you want to try it out?

526
00:19:37,566 --> 00:19:39,966
Alli: For sure.
Mark: Alright. Step right in.

527
00:19:41,933 --> 00:19:43,533
Alli: So, this is the three?

528
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,033
Mark: That's the three
you're on.

529
00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:47,200
There's a little bit of two
there, but...

530
00:19:47,266 --> 00:19:49,700
Alli: Yeah.
Haven't actually felt it yet.

531
00:19:49,766 --> 00:19:51,466
Mark: There you go.

532
00:19:57,166 --> 00:19:58,766
Making it red, Alli.

533
00:19:58,833 --> 00:20:00,100
Alli: Yeah.
Pretty satisfying.

534
00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,700
Mark: Looks good. Yep.

535
00:20:09,566 --> 00:20:12,500
Alli: It is kind of crazy
how tough the three is.

536
00:20:12,566 --> 00:20:14,633
Mark: The three is, so you
can really feel the difference.

537
00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:15,900
Alli: Yeah.

538
00:20:22,566 --> 00:20:25,333
So, is this something we should
be doing every year or...?

539
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,500
Mark: Yeah.

540
00:20:26,566 --> 00:20:29,400
If you have a heavy year
of fires, you know,

541
00:20:29,466 --> 00:20:30,900
make it a spring project.

542
00:20:30,966 --> 00:20:32,166
Alli: Got it.

543
00:20:34,933 --> 00:20:37,233
Can you scrape too hard
with the metal?

544
00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:38,833
Mark: Pretty much no.

545
00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:40,500
Alli: Got it.

546
00:20:40,566 --> 00:20:43,000
Mark: Wow, that's looking good,
actually.

547
00:20:45,033 --> 00:20:48,466
Alright, Alli, those knives
worked pretty well for us.

548
00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:51,800
Right now, I think I'm going
to try the wire on the grinder.

549
00:20:51,866 --> 00:20:54,200
Give me a few minutes to see
what I can get out of that.

550
00:20:54,266 --> 00:20:55,900
I'll get out of your way,
you jump in with

551
00:20:55,966 --> 00:20:59,200
the abrasive pad, and we'll see
what we can do in this section.

552
00:20:59,266 --> 00:21:00,633
Alli: Sounds great.

553
00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:10,433
♪♪

554
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:20,200
♪♪

555
00:21:20,266 --> 00:21:29,966
♪♪

556
00:21:30,033 --> 00:21:34,133
Mark: Now I think all we have
to do is apply the cleaner.

557
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,433
First thing we want to do
is just dampen the wall

558
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:39,300
a little bit.

559
00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:41,900
It's already starting to work.

560
00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:46,333
Wow.

561
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,000
Wow. Wow.

562
00:21:49,066 --> 00:21:54,666
♪♪

563
00:21:54,733 --> 00:22:00,333
♪♪

564
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800
Alli: Wow.
What a transformation.

565
00:22:02,866 --> 00:22:05,400
Mark: Alright, Alli, I'm so
happy with the way it came out.

566
00:22:05,466 --> 00:22:08,133
But I am going to leave you
with a little bit of homework.

567
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,666
Don't forget, we couldn't get up
on top of that damper.

568
00:22:10,733 --> 00:22:13,400
So, all you have to do
is call a chimney sweep.

569
00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:14,833
They'll come in
with some brushes.

570
00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:16,200
I've already checked out
the flues.

571
00:22:16,266 --> 00:22:18,066
They're in perfect condition.
So, just a scrub,

572
00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:19,900
and you should be ready to go.
Alli: Wonderful.

573
00:22:19,966 --> 00:22:21,633
For being such
a focal point of our kitchen,

574
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,033
we're just so excited
to have red brick again.

575
00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:25,466
So, thank you so much.
Mark: Alright.

576
00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:26,700
Well, you're welcome.

577
00:22:26,766 --> 00:22:28,366
And if you have questions
about your house,

578
00:22:28,433 --> 00:22:31,166
we'd love to hear from you,
so keep them coming.

579
00:22:31,233 --> 00:22:35,000
Until then, I'm Mark McCullough
for "Ask This Old House."

580
00:22:35,066 --> 00:22:37,733
♪♪

581
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:42,666
Kevin: Next time on
"Ask This Old House"...

582
00:22:42,733 --> 00:22:46,000
are you considering connecting
a backup generator to your home?

583
00:22:46,066 --> 00:22:48,300
Heath will share
some options and tips

584
00:22:48,366 --> 00:22:50,566
for what you need to know.

585
00:22:50,633 --> 00:22:55,233
Then we will answer all your
questions on asbestos abatement.

586
00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:57,400
Plus, Mark helps
a homeowner repair

587
00:22:57,466 --> 00:23:00,433
a sagging brick lintel
on his 1830s home.

588
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:02,033
Mark: You have a museum piece
right here.

589
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:05,933
This is a piece of art
and should be repaired as such.

590
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,900
Kevin: All that
on "Ask This Old House."