1 00:00:00,700 --> 00:00:04,866 ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,933 --> 00:00:06,366 Kevin: On "Ask This Old House," 3 00:00:06,433 --> 00:00:08,866 our experts travel across the country 4 00:00:08,933 --> 00:00:11,200 to answer questions about your house. 5 00:00:11,266 --> 00:00:17,633 ♪♪ 6 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:22,166 Today we learn it's never too late to learn new things 7 00:00:22,233 --> 00:00:24,966 as Tommy takes a turn on the lathe. 8 00:00:25,033 --> 00:00:27,566 Tom: I do most of my turning late at night. 9 00:00:27,633 --> 00:00:30,533 I'm up. And why not turn a bowl? 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,833 [ Chuckles ] 11 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:33,733 Kevin: Then later he shows us 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,333 how to build a segmented bowl using the lathe. 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,733 Plus Heath gives us a review on how to identify breakers. 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,433 Coming up next on "Ask This Old House." 15 00:00:49,766 --> 00:00:52,100 Kevin: Heath, I always knew it was going to come to this. 16 00:00:52,166 --> 00:00:53,566 Heath: [ Laughs ] Kevin: You and your obsession 17 00:00:53,633 --> 00:00:55,533 with labeling and order. 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,233 Heath: And my label maker. Kevin: And your label, 19 00:00:57,300 --> 00:01:00,100 which I've heard actually drives around with you? 20 00:01:00,166 --> 00:01:01,466 Heath: It is under the driver's seat. 21 00:01:01,533 --> 00:01:02,933 Yes, a little drawer that's the easiest place to keep it. 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,100 Kevin: Alright. Listen. Respect, brother. 23 00:01:04,166 --> 00:01:05,900 I get it because I love it, you know. 24 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:07,733 My thing's a mess, and it drives me crazy. 25 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,033 Heath: Yeah. You want to know where everything goes. 26 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:11,466 Just makes it better and safer. Kevin: Absolutely. 27 00:01:11,533 --> 00:01:13,933 So what is your protocol? What's your process? 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,166 Heath: So the easiest way to go about labeling 29 00:01:16,233 --> 00:01:18,900 a panel is two people. You want to have two people. 30 00:01:18,966 --> 00:01:20,400 If you can have a couple of telephones 31 00:01:20,466 --> 00:01:22,466 going or radios of some kind going on 32 00:01:22,533 --> 00:01:24,500 because chances are you have multiple floors, 33 00:01:24,566 --> 00:01:25,933 you're not going to hear each other yelling across 34 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,633 the house or up and down the stairs. 35 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:30,266 Kevin: And two people because I'm up in the room with everything on 36 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:31,866 and you're down at the panel, 37 00:01:31,933 --> 00:01:34,200 "I just turned it off!" or "Turned it off, what went out?" 38 00:01:34,266 --> 00:01:37,133 Heath: Exactly. Notepad. Someone downstairs at the panel, 39 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,633 someone walking through the house and go ahead 40 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:40,433 and start from step one. 41 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:41,833 Pick the first room with lights, 42 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:43,966 pick first receptacles, whatever you want to do. 43 00:01:44,033 --> 00:01:45,300 Just start going through. 44 00:01:45,366 --> 00:01:46,966 The easiest way I found to start though, if you're going 45 00:01:47,033 --> 00:01:49,000 for the breakers, pick the big ones first. 46 00:01:49,066 --> 00:01:51,200 Anything that's a double pole breaker like this, 47 00:01:51,266 --> 00:01:52,700 double pole 20, double pole 30. 48 00:01:52,766 --> 00:01:54,566 It might be a well if it's a 20. 49 00:01:54,633 --> 00:01:56,800 If it's a 30, it might be your electric dryer 50 00:01:56,866 --> 00:01:58,733 or an oven or an outdoor air-conditioning unit. 51 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,000 So those are the easy ones to pick off first, 52 00:02:01,066 --> 00:02:02,400 then work on the small ones. 53 00:02:02,466 --> 00:02:04,633 Kevin: Um, you don't always have a second person. 54 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:06,133 Heath: You don't. Kevin: Running around 55 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,133 up and down, back and forth. Heath: I mean, it's good 56 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,800 exercise, but it takes a while. 57 00:02:09,866 --> 00:02:11,400 Kevin: It does. Got an alternative? 58 00:02:11,466 --> 00:02:12,966 Heath: I do. So of course they make a tool 59 00:02:13,033 --> 00:02:14,633 for that like everything else. 60 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:16,933 So we start off what looks like our usual little plug-in tester, 61 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,266 where we can tell what's going on in the receptacle. 62 00:02:19,333 --> 00:02:21,266 Kevin: Mm-hmm. Heath: But it comes as a kit 63 00:02:21,333 --> 00:02:22,966 with this piece. Kevin: Oh, nice. 64 00:02:23,033 --> 00:02:23,966 Heath: So what it does is it sends 65 00:02:24,033 --> 00:02:25,566 a tone to the breaker panel, 66 00:02:25,633 --> 00:02:28,133 and you can actually find out which breaker that goes to. 67 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,633 [ Beeping ] 68 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:33,133 So you turn it on, just give it a once-over. 69 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:33,966 [ Beeping ] 70 00:02:34,033 --> 00:02:35,066 And then it comes back. 71 00:02:35,133 --> 00:02:36,300 Kevin: And there you go. 72 00:02:36,366 --> 00:02:37,800 Heath: And that's it. Kevin: That's beautiful. 73 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:39,200 I like that. That's going to save a lot -- 74 00:02:39,266 --> 00:02:41,200 Although this obviously, 75 00:02:41,266 --> 00:02:43,333 you know, in a bedroom, a lot of them, 76 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,866 all of the receptacles are on one circuit. 77 00:02:45,933 --> 00:02:47,233 Heath: Right. Kevin: And overhead lights 78 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:48,666 are on another. Like, what do you do? 79 00:02:48,733 --> 00:02:50,133 Like, "Ahhhh"? 80 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,766 Heath: You can if you want, but I don't recommend it. 81 00:02:51,833 --> 00:02:53,100 Kevin: Doesn't work? Heath: No. 82 00:02:53,166 --> 00:02:56,100 Simple. Adapters. Kevin: Oh, look at that. 83 00:02:56,166 --> 00:02:58,666 Heath: So we can just -- Even if you had a two-prong receptacle, 84 00:02:58,733 --> 00:02:59,766 that three-prong is not going to fit. 85 00:02:59,833 --> 00:03:00,900 But you can plug that in. 86 00:03:00,966 --> 00:03:02,200 Kevin: But how does this help me with the l-- 87 00:03:02,266 --> 00:03:04,900 Oh, so this unscrew the light bulb in the overhead... 88 00:03:04,966 --> 00:03:07,133 Heath: Screw that in. Turn it on. 89 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,966 You can do the same thing. Kevin: Very clever. 90 00:03:09,033 --> 00:03:10,133 I like that one. 91 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,866 Okay. So you get them all figured out. 92 00:03:12,933 --> 00:03:14,200 Heath: Yeah. Once you're comfortable with 93 00:03:14,266 --> 00:03:15,533 what you have in your notepad, everything made sense, 94 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,966 it's labeled the way you want, 95 00:03:17,033 --> 00:03:18,666 you're going to know what's what, 96 00:03:18,733 --> 00:03:20,933 again, label maker if you can. 97 00:03:21,033 --> 00:03:22,433 Nice clean labels to the side. 98 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:24,266 But sometimes you don't always have that space. 99 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:25,833 Like here, we can't fit this 100 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:27,300 and our legend here is pretty small. 101 00:03:27,366 --> 00:03:28,933 I've tried to do the best I can, 102 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,500 but you still can't get everything in there. 103 00:03:30,566 --> 00:03:33,300 Kevin: Right. Heath: So there are enough 104 00:03:33,366 --> 00:03:35,666 templates available online that you can type whatever 105 00:03:35,733 --> 00:03:38,166 is going to be comfortable and based on your panel size, 106 00:03:38,233 --> 00:03:41,900 and print it up, but print it up on a self-adhesive page. 107 00:03:41,966 --> 00:03:43,366 Kevin: You went to the stationery store. 108 00:03:43,433 --> 00:03:44,433 Heath: I did. Kevin: And you made a grid. 109 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:45,700 Heath: I did. 110 00:03:45,766 --> 00:03:47,400 You can size it to whatever size 111 00:03:47,466 --> 00:03:49,300 will actually fit in a space inside the panel, 112 00:03:49,366 --> 00:03:52,733 whether it's above the breakers, below, on the door. 113 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,800 Cut it, stick it. Done. 114 00:03:54,866 --> 00:03:57,433 Kevin: Could I stick that on the door if I've got a sticker on there 115 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:58,766 already telling me who knows what? 116 00:03:58,833 --> 00:04:00,100 Heath: Don't cover this up. 117 00:04:00,166 --> 00:04:01,800 This is all the important information for the panel. 118 00:04:01,866 --> 00:04:04,100 It tells you what breakers, how big they are, 119 00:04:04,166 --> 00:04:05,633 how many breakers this can actually take, 120 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:06,800 everything else that goes along with it. 121 00:04:06,866 --> 00:04:08,500 So don't cover up any of the labeling. 122 00:04:08,566 --> 00:04:09,966 Look for an open space. 123 00:04:10,033 --> 00:04:11,800 I mean, if you had to, worst case, on the front of the door, 124 00:04:11,866 --> 00:04:13,933 but usually in a larger panel, you're going to find a spot 125 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,600 above this or above the breakers or below that you can fit that. 126 00:04:16,666 --> 00:04:19,700 Kevin: Gotcha. So what are you doing tomorrow? 127 00:04:19,766 --> 00:04:21,433 Heath: Are we labeling a panel? 128 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:23,300 Kevin: Either that or you're letting me borrow this. 129 00:04:23,366 --> 00:04:29,866 ♪♪ 130 00:04:29,933 --> 00:04:32,000 Tommy, look at you. A new tool for us, huh? 131 00:04:32,066 --> 00:04:34,233 Tom: A new tool for up here, a lathe. 132 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:35,433 Kevin: Although I've never really thought of you 133 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:37,500 as a lathe guy. Tom: I don't consider myself 134 00:04:37,566 --> 00:04:39,200 a "lathe guy" by any means. 135 00:04:39,266 --> 00:04:45,933 ♪♪ 136 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:52,666 ♪♪ 137 00:04:52,733 --> 00:04:55,166 Kevin: So you get a piece glued to another piece, 138 00:04:55,233 --> 00:04:57,233 and then you got a spline between the pieces? 139 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,900 Tom: Right. And that spline is made out of hard pine. 140 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:01,666 It's just an accent piece. That's all it is. 141 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:03,600 Kevin: So not a lathe guy, huh? 142 00:05:03,666 --> 00:05:05,733 Tom: I still don't consider myself a "lathe guy." 143 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,166 You see some of these people out there that are turners. 144 00:05:08,233 --> 00:05:10,566 I mean, they're amazing, what they do. 145 00:05:10,633 --> 00:05:12,500 And I just play on the lathe a little bit 146 00:05:12,566 --> 00:05:17,733 and turn a bowl or a pen or a box or whatever. 147 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,633 Just something that I feel like doing. 148 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:22,233 2:00 in the morning when I can't sleep, 149 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:23,666 I get up and I turn. 150 00:05:23,733 --> 00:05:27,366 It relaxes me. It gets stuff off my mind. 151 00:05:27,433 --> 00:05:30,633 I can think and I can focus on what I'm doing too. 152 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:32,066 So sometimes if I've got something 153 00:05:32,133 --> 00:05:33,766 I don't want to think about, I go down and focus 154 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:36,266 on this little thing turning around. 155 00:05:36,333 --> 00:05:40,500 ♪♪ 156 00:05:40,566 --> 00:05:42,566 It's my Zen, yeah. Yeah. 157 00:05:42,633 --> 00:05:45,333 ♪♪ 158 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,300 My wife Susan says every now and then, 159 00:05:47,366 --> 00:05:49,733 "You really like doing this, don't you?" 160 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,766 Uh, yeah. Keeps me out of trouble. 161 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:57,066 My dad had an old Craftsman lathe 162 00:05:57,133 --> 00:05:59,266 and I used to play with that when I was young. 163 00:05:59,333 --> 00:06:01,800 My brother Dickie also turned a little bit. 164 00:06:01,866 --> 00:06:03,766 So, you know, I wanted to be like Dickie. 165 00:06:03,833 --> 00:06:05,633 If he could turn a lamp, I can make a lamp. 166 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,133 So I made a lamp. And then every now 167 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,933 and then if my dad had a project or we were doing something, 168 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,966 and I had to turn something silly, 169 00:06:15,033 --> 00:06:20,266 maybe a column base molding, little detail, 170 00:06:20,333 --> 00:06:23,333 it would take me a while to do it, 171 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,400 but I didn't really do a lot of turning. 172 00:06:26,466 --> 00:06:28,466 And then I didn't really start to get into it 173 00:06:28,533 --> 00:06:30,533 until a couple of years ago, 174 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,733 when I started having more time at night. 175 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,233 You're basically working around the clock 176 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:37,266 when you own a company. 177 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:40,666 There is no six-, seven-hour day. 178 00:06:40,733 --> 00:06:43,166 It's 20 hours a day is really what you're working, 179 00:06:43,233 --> 00:06:44,700 six, seven days a week. 180 00:06:44,766 --> 00:06:47,233 But now I don't have that part of my life 181 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:48,900 that I have to be concerned about. 182 00:06:48,966 --> 00:06:54,000 So now I still -- I'm up and why not turn a bowl? 183 00:06:54,066 --> 00:06:55,433 [ Chuckles ] 184 00:06:58,133 --> 00:07:01,733 I've gotten into all kinds of silly things. 185 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,066 Turning some burls. 186 00:07:03,133 --> 00:07:04,733 Kevin: Look at that. 187 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,900 Tom: I made a cookie jar 188 00:07:05,966 --> 00:07:08,100 for one of our homeowners out of an old beam. 189 00:07:08,166 --> 00:07:10,400 Woman: Thank you so much. Tom: Baby rattle, yeah. 190 00:07:10,466 --> 00:07:12,600 I made a couple of those. A few of those. 191 00:07:12,666 --> 00:07:14,233 Baseball bats. 192 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:18,866 I made a cabriole leg just because I wanted to try it. 193 00:07:18,933 --> 00:07:21,266 Christmas ornaments. They started out -- 194 00:07:21,333 --> 00:07:23,300 they didn't start out as Christmas ornaments. 195 00:07:23,366 --> 00:07:26,300 Basically, I would just pick up scrap pieces of wood 196 00:07:26,366 --> 00:07:28,300 and I would cut them into pieces. 197 00:07:28,366 --> 00:07:29,600 And it's basically a way for me 198 00:07:29,666 --> 00:07:32,800 to practice my five different cuts with my tools. 199 00:07:32,866 --> 00:07:36,666 I had like 20 of them on a table all standing up 200 00:07:36,733 --> 00:07:40,166 and ended up showing it on social. 201 00:07:40,233 --> 00:07:42,133 And then somebody had said, "Oh, my gosh, 202 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,933 are those Christmas ornaments?" 203 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,566 And next thing I know, I'm making Christmas ornaments. 204 00:07:48,633 --> 00:07:50,500 Kevin: [ Laughs ] 205 00:07:50,566 --> 00:07:52,233 Tom: Merry Christmas! Right? 206 00:07:52,300 --> 00:08:02,066 ♪♪ 207 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:04,700 Kevin and I, We got a note on social. 208 00:08:04,766 --> 00:08:07,266 Man: Kevin, Tommy, you're my only hope. 209 00:08:07,333 --> 00:08:13,166 Tom: He wanted to know if I would teach him how to turn a ring. 210 00:08:13,233 --> 00:08:16,166 Alright? And I really don't have time 211 00:08:16,233 --> 00:08:17,933 to teach somebody how to do a ring. 212 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,900 So basically, what I did is what I'll do 213 00:08:19,966 --> 00:08:24,266 is I'll just make him a ring and we'll send it to him. 214 00:08:24,333 --> 00:08:26,333 So Kevin worked on getting the size, 215 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,766 and then we made a little skit out of it 216 00:08:27,833 --> 00:08:29,166 where Kevin went in the woods 217 00:08:29,233 --> 00:08:32,800 and he got a big log like this to make a ring like this. 218 00:08:32,866 --> 00:08:35,500 And we just made it funny, dropped it down onto a table, 219 00:08:35,566 --> 00:08:37,100 and I was like, "I got it, sonny," 220 00:08:37,166 --> 00:08:39,666 and we started turning it. 221 00:08:39,733 --> 00:08:41,000 And so I turned the ring. 222 00:08:41,066 --> 00:08:43,233 And then I said to myself, "Hmm. 223 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:45,866 I should make a little box for the ring to go in." 224 00:08:45,933 --> 00:08:47,466 So when he asked her to marry her, 225 00:08:47,533 --> 00:08:49,100 he can give her the box, take the cover off, 226 00:08:49,166 --> 00:08:52,833 and there's the ring. And so that's what we did. 227 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:56,566 And it was fun. They appreciated it. 228 00:08:56,633 --> 00:09:02,400 ♪♪ 229 00:09:02,466 --> 00:09:07,866 I think everybody should have a hobby because when you retire... 230 00:09:07,933 --> 00:09:10,100 I know I've had friends that have retired 231 00:09:10,166 --> 00:09:14,366 and they're going crazy. 232 00:09:14,433 --> 00:09:16,466 And unfortunately it's sad 233 00:09:16,533 --> 00:09:19,166 because some people become lonely. 234 00:09:19,233 --> 00:09:21,800 There's nothing to do. They did -- They never -- 235 00:09:21,866 --> 00:09:26,000 They never tried anything. 236 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:27,633 You know, it doesn't matter what it is, 237 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:30,033 but you got to stay busy. You got to stay focused. 238 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:31,866 You got to keep your mind on things 239 00:09:31,933 --> 00:09:34,500 and you got to challenge yourself. 240 00:09:34,566 --> 00:09:38,533 Challenging yourself is the is the drive that keeps you going 241 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,700 and you want to do it more. 242 00:09:41,766 --> 00:09:44,100 And that's the beauty of turning, I think. 243 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:46,800 To see something that you built 244 00:09:46,866 --> 00:09:49,433 in a little bit of time... 245 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:55,233 I can turn a silly little bowl in 40 minutes, half an hour, 246 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:59,333 or I can spend 14, 20 hours on building a bowl. 247 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,800 Any way you look at it, the gratification is still there. 248 00:10:02,866 --> 00:10:05,200 It's just like I say, fun. 249 00:10:05,266 --> 00:10:11,766 ♪♪ 250 00:10:11,833 --> 00:10:16,533 Well, I guess I'm a lathe guy, but I -- 251 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,833 It's -- I like to turn. 252 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:21,300 [ Chuckles ] 253 00:10:21,366 --> 00:10:25,766 ♪♪ 254 00:10:25,833 --> 00:10:27,833 Kevin: Hey, Tommy. Tom: Hey, Kevin. How are ya? 255 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:30,400 Kevin: I'm doing alright. So bowl turning, huh? 256 00:10:30,466 --> 00:10:31,733 Tom: How'd you guess? Kevin: I don't know, 257 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,300 but it always gets me excited. I enjoy your bowls. 258 00:10:34,366 --> 00:10:35,833 They're amazing, actually. Tom: Yeah. 259 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:38,633 I find it very relaxing. And a simple bowl like that, 260 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:40,500 you can turn quick and it's gratifying. 261 00:10:40,566 --> 00:10:41,666 Kevin: It is your happy place, right? 262 00:10:41,733 --> 00:10:43,100 I mean, after hanging out with me. 263 00:10:43,166 --> 00:10:44,166 Tom: [ Laughs ] 264 00:10:44,233 --> 00:10:45,800 That's my second happy place. Yeah. 265 00:10:45,866 --> 00:10:48,500 Turning a bowl out of a solid piece of wood is always fun, 266 00:10:48,566 --> 00:10:50,300 but I thought we would do something different today. 267 00:10:50,366 --> 00:10:51,733 I want to do a segmented bowl. 268 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,866 Kevin: Segmented bowl. Tom: A little more work. 269 00:10:53,933 --> 00:10:55,100 Kevin: Yeah? Tom: But a lot of times 270 00:10:55,166 --> 00:10:57,433 I turn a segmented bowl out of scrap pieces 271 00:10:57,500 --> 00:10:59,466 or leftover pieces of wood. 272 00:10:59,533 --> 00:11:01,333 When I say scrap, think of the cutting board 273 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,566 that we made, the octagon-shaped? 274 00:11:03,633 --> 00:11:05,066 Kevin: Yeah. Tom: Alright. 275 00:11:05,133 --> 00:11:07,066 So I had some of the pieces left over. 276 00:11:07,133 --> 00:11:08,333 Kevin: No kidding. 277 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,400 So we had that kind of three-dimensional trick 278 00:11:10,466 --> 00:11:11,966 that we played with the different colored woods. 279 00:11:12,033 --> 00:11:13,400 This is just from the scraps? 280 00:11:13,466 --> 00:11:15,333 Tom: That's the scraps, the leftover, yeah. 281 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,200 I mean, that's not my taste really, the kind of bowl, 282 00:11:18,266 --> 00:11:19,400 but I say why waste the wood? 283 00:11:19,466 --> 00:11:21,300 Kevin: Yeah, it's busy, but the idea is, 284 00:11:21,366 --> 00:11:23,433 I guess, little pieces glued together. 285 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:25,666 But then you smooth and shape with a lathe? 286 00:11:25,733 --> 00:11:28,933 Tom: Yep. Exactly. Like I say, very gratifying. 287 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,633 Kevin: Okay, well, those are beautiful examples. 288 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:34,033 No surprise. I presume this is the base stock we're using? 289 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:36,133 Tom: Yeah, I was down where I buy a lot of my wood 290 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,133 and this place had this wood right there. 291 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,766 And I looked at it, I said, "That's interesting. 292 00:11:39,833 --> 00:11:43,266 What is it? It's awesome." He says it's orange osage. 293 00:11:43,333 --> 00:11:45,033 Kevin: That's kind of like my nickname. Orange. 294 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:46,533 Tom: Matches your hair perfect. 295 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,600 Kevin: Hardwood, I presume? What is that? 296 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:50,800 Tom: It's a leafy, so it's got to be hardwood. 297 00:11:50,866 --> 00:11:52,100 I never saw it before. 298 00:11:52,166 --> 00:11:54,100 I guess it's grown in another part of Texas. 299 00:11:54,166 --> 00:11:57,833 It develops a fruit, orange, but it's not edible for humans. 300 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:00,433 Kevin: Okay. Tom: And this is a small piece 301 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:02,133 of walnut that I had left over. 302 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,033 So I figured we'd do a segmented bowl 303 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:07,500 with orange osage and walnut. 304 00:12:07,566 --> 00:12:08,800 Kevin: So how do we get started? 305 00:12:08,866 --> 00:12:10,633 Tom: We get started by ripping some wood down. 306 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:12,000 Kevin: Let's do it. 307 00:12:12,066 --> 00:12:15,766 [ Saw buzzing ] 308 00:12:15,833 --> 00:12:16,933 Tom: Okay, so now I want to rip 309 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,766 a strip wide enough for the bottom. 310 00:12:19,833 --> 00:12:20,733 Kevin: And those are going to be little wedges? 311 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,566 Little triangles? Tom: Exactly. 312 00:12:22,633 --> 00:12:23,933 Because I don't want that expansion 313 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,833 contraction all one way. 314 00:12:31,466 --> 00:12:33,300 Okay, so the next thing we need to do 315 00:12:33,366 --> 00:12:35,300 is make triangular pieces. 316 00:12:35,366 --> 00:12:37,800 And we're going to do that on the miter saw. 317 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:06,000 Okay, so the next thing I want to do 318 00:13:06,066 --> 00:13:08,633 is I want to make the sides for the bowl. 319 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:11,300 So I'm just going to make some strips. 320 00:13:51,933 --> 00:13:55,800 Now I want to rip one thin strip to accent the bottom. 321 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:01,533 Alright, now we're ready to cut our sides for the bowl. 322 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,866 We're going to cut pieces that will go like this. 323 00:14:03,933 --> 00:14:05,200 Little pieces like that. 324 00:14:05,266 --> 00:14:08,066 And they all have to be the same size 325 00:14:08,133 --> 00:14:12,133 and the same angle on each end to give me the diameter 326 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,733 and the size of the bowl that I need. 327 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,000 Kevin: And then when you cut them, 328 00:14:16,066 --> 00:14:18,366 you're going to end up putting them together, 329 00:14:18,433 --> 00:14:20,333 and you're going to have enough of these to go around 330 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,366 and roughly create your circle? Tom: Right. 331 00:14:22,433 --> 00:14:25,533 And this bowl is going to take 16 of these pieces. 332 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,500 And it's about 2 3/16 or 2 1/4 inches long. 333 00:14:30,566 --> 00:14:32,266 Kevin: And then what about this angle here? 334 00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:35,000 Tom: That angle is going to be 11 1/4. 335 00:14:35,066 --> 00:14:36,466 Kevin: Hmm. Tom: Alright? 336 00:14:36,533 --> 00:14:39,266 Now, to do that I made a sled. 337 00:14:39,333 --> 00:14:41,200 And on the sled I have two pieces 338 00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:43,433 because of the different bowls that I make. 339 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:47,033 And I set these at 11 1/4 degrees. 340 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:49,833 That gives me my angle. And I take this piece here 341 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:51,733 because I cut the strip off of it. 342 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,300 So now I take and I put a stop, 343 00:14:54,366 --> 00:14:55,500 and this is just glued, 344 00:14:55,566 --> 00:14:57,800 basically going to give me my length. 345 00:14:57,866 --> 00:14:59,266 So I've already cut one 11 1/4. 346 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:00,566 I'm going to use this as a gauge. 347 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:02,266 And I'll set it down here 348 00:15:02,333 --> 00:15:06,500 so that this edge is parallel with the sled right there. 349 00:15:06,566 --> 00:15:09,733 Kevin: Long to long. Tom: Long to long right there. 350 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,233 Lock it in. 351 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:15,466 Now, I also took a piece of wood that does not touch the blade, 352 00:15:15,533 --> 00:15:17,566 and it's cut on an angle. 353 00:15:17,633 --> 00:15:21,433 And what happens is, when I cut this piece of wood, 354 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:25,666 the piece of wood will go through and fall off 355 00:15:25,733 --> 00:15:28,100 and come away from the blade and won't come back at me. 356 00:15:28,166 --> 00:15:29,500 Kevin: Clever. Something tells me 357 00:15:29,566 --> 00:15:31,266 there's more here in this jig than there is in the bowl. 358 00:15:31,333 --> 00:15:32,666 But we're going to do it all. Alright. 359 00:15:32,733 --> 00:15:34,000 Tom: It's a lot of work, I'm gonna tell you. 360 00:15:34,066 --> 00:15:36,400 It's very, very time-consuming. 361 00:16:23,666 --> 00:16:26,233 Alright, so we have enough pieces cut for the top, 362 00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:30,133 the accent piece, and also two rows for the long pieces. 363 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,633 So let's show you what we have here. 364 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:34,966 These will be our top three rows. 365 00:16:35,033 --> 00:16:36,266 Kevin: So you got layers like this? 366 00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:38,100 Tom: Layers like that. Now I want to make -- 367 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:40,033 because the bottom is going to -- the sides 368 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:41,500 are going to come in and taper. 369 00:16:41,566 --> 00:16:45,100 So the next row down, each piece has to be a little bit shorter. 370 00:16:45,166 --> 00:16:46,566 Kevin: Because you want to pull that diameter 371 00:16:46,633 --> 00:16:48,266 in just a touch? Tom: Exactly. 372 00:16:48,333 --> 00:16:51,466 So now we'll cut 16 pieces a little bit smaller. 373 00:16:51,533 --> 00:16:53,100 And the diameter of that circle 374 00:16:53,166 --> 00:16:55,733 will be a little bit smaller also. 375 00:17:07,933 --> 00:17:10,266 Alright. So now we're ready to glue up the bottom here. 376 00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:13,466 Kevin: It does start make you appreciate 377 00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:17,966 that when you look at a bowl that's one species, 378 00:17:18,033 --> 00:17:19,400 and then you look at a segmented bowl 379 00:17:19,466 --> 00:17:22,200 and you're like, "Ooh, a lot more work..." 380 00:17:22,266 --> 00:17:23,233 Tom: Yeah. 381 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:24,966 Kevin: "...goes into a segmented bowl." 382 00:17:25,033 --> 00:17:26,566 Tom: So I figure that some of the bowls 383 00:17:26,633 --> 00:17:33,100 that I've built takes me anywhere between 8 to 14 hours. 384 00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:35,400 Kevin: So a zip tie for a clamp, huh? 385 00:17:35,466 --> 00:17:36,933 Tom: I use them for a long time, 386 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,700 and I've used these same zip ties. 387 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:41,566 I've had them for many years. People always say, 388 00:17:41,633 --> 00:17:44,200 "Well, why do you go through a lot of zip ties?" 389 00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:47,300 I said, "Well, actually I don't. 390 00:17:47,366 --> 00:17:49,466 I sand them or clean them, whatever I have to 391 00:17:49,533 --> 00:17:51,966 when they get a little gunky." 392 00:17:52,033 --> 00:17:54,933 Clamp it together. 393 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,166 Kevin: And you have a zip tie tightener. 394 00:17:57,233 --> 00:17:59,566 Tom: Yeah. Kevin: Of course. 395 00:17:59,633 --> 00:18:02,600 Tom: So now technically we have to go -- put this aside. 396 00:18:02,666 --> 00:18:04,066 We have to clean off our plastic, 397 00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:06,333 and then we have to glue up another one. 398 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,266 We have three more pieces to glue up. 399 00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,600 Kevin: And then we got to wait for it to set up. 400 00:18:10,666 --> 00:18:11,700 Tom: Yeah. Aright. 401 00:18:11,766 --> 00:18:14,266 So now I want to get a bowl made today. 402 00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:16,733 Alright? So I know how long it takes. 403 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,733 But I wanted you to appreciate the fact that how long it takes 404 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,266 to really put these things together. 405 00:18:22,333 --> 00:18:27,633 Alright, so what I did is I glued up sections already. 406 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:29,100 Kevin: Very nice. Tom: Alright? 407 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:30,333 So I can show you the step. 408 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,833 So let's start with the bottom. 409 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:38,066 It's glued. Kevin: That is set up. 410 00:18:38,133 --> 00:18:40,433 Look at that. Tom: And I sanded it smooth. 411 00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:41,700 Okay? 412 00:18:41,766 --> 00:18:42,933 So the next step would be 413 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,633 to take the smaller circle and glue 414 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:47,833 that to the top of that bottom. 415 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:51,566 Now, the reason I do that is because I need to get a tool in 416 00:18:51,633 --> 00:18:55,900 to curve the radius on the bottom and taper the bottom. 417 00:18:55,966 --> 00:18:58,200 Kevin: So are you going to turn this in parts? 418 00:18:58,266 --> 00:18:59,800 Tom: I'm going to turn this section first. 419 00:18:59,866 --> 00:19:02,800 I first have to make a recess on the bottom 420 00:19:02,866 --> 00:19:04,566 to mount it to the lathe. Kevin: Right. 421 00:19:04,633 --> 00:19:08,300 Tom: Once it's on the lathe then I turn the bottom at an angle. 422 00:19:08,366 --> 00:19:10,700 Kevin: So you would turn base and row one first? 423 00:19:10,766 --> 00:19:14,766 Tom: Right. And then while that is going together, 424 00:19:14,833 --> 00:19:17,000 I glue up the three pieces 425 00:19:17,066 --> 00:19:19,466 that are then going to sit on the top. 426 00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:21,200 Kevin: Look at that. And those are all sanded flush. 427 00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:23,700 Tom: Those are all sanded, glue's all off. 428 00:19:23,766 --> 00:19:24,833 Kevin: Very nice. Tom: Right. 429 00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:29,600 So then what I have is the bottom 430 00:19:29,666 --> 00:19:31,833 with a recess to mount it to the lathe. 431 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:34,333 Kevin: Shaped on the outside. Tom: That's starting to take 432 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,966 the shape of the bowl right there. 433 00:19:37,033 --> 00:19:40,933 I've done the inside and I've turned the radius on the bottom 434 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,900 and tapered it slightly. 435 00:19:42,966 --> 00:19:45,633 So now when I put it on the lathe, 436 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:49,966 I marry the rough turn to the smooth turn, 437 00:19:50,033 --> 00:19:52,600 both on the outside and the inside. 438 00:19:52,666 --> 00:19:54,666 Kevin: So you can start lathing this? 439 00:19:54,733 --> 00:19:56,033 Tom: Exactly. 440 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:57,900 Kevin: I'll start clearing. 441 00:19:57,966 --> 00:19:59,233 Tom: I think we might make it a little bit -- 442 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:02,166 a little bit straight and then roll it down gentle, 443 00:20:02,233 --> 00:20:05,200 make the top edge and treat it like a salad bowl. 444 00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:07,433 Kevin: Okay. 445 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:08,800 Tom: Alrighty. 446 00:20:10,233 --> 00:20:11,633 Kevin: I mean, I already have a salad bowl, 447 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:13,800 but you do whatever you want. Tom: [ Laughs ] 448 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:17,833 You eat salad? Kevin: [ Laughs ] 449 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:26,233 ♪♪ 450 00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:34,633 ♪♪ 451 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:43,066 ♪♪ 452 00:20:43,133 --> 00:20:51,466 ♪♪ 453 00:20:51,533 --> 00:20:59,866 ♪♪ 454 00:20:59,933 --> 00:21:08,233 ♪♪ 455 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:10,133 Tom: So now you're ready to sand the bowl. 456 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,700 Let's go from 100 to 240, inside and out. 457 00:21:16,366 --> 00:21:18,366 This is a sanding paste, and along 458 00:21:18,433 --> 00:21:20,433 with the white pad that you're using there, 459 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:23,333 really give a fine finish to that. 460 00:21:24,866 --> 00:21:27,733 Now we're ready for a food-safe finish. 461 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,333 This is an oil and some beeswax in it, I believe. 462 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,100 Once it's on there, heat it up a little bit 463 00:21:34,166 --> 00:21:35,900 and just try to spread it. 464 00:21:37,466 --> 00:21:38,933 Kevin: Got it? Tom: I got it. 465 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,200 Kevin: Don't drop it. 466 00:21:40,266 --> 00:21:42,100 Tom: I got to say, this is my first time 467 00:21:42,166 --> 00:21:46,900 working with the osage, and that finish really pops. 468 00:21:46,966 --> 00:21:48,200 Kevin: It's gorgeous. I mean, look at that. 469 00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:49,200 Orange is fantastic. 470 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,900 And the contrast with the top 471 00:21:50,966 --> 00:21:52,766 and that beautiful contrast 472 00:21:52,833 --> 00:21:54,300 in the bottom, that is remarkable. 473 00:21:54,366 --> 00:21:55,633 Tom: Walnut really sets it off. 474 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:56,766 Kevin: That is beautiful. 475 00:21:56,833 --> 00:21:59,133 So, you know, there's an artistry 476 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,000 I'm noticing to the lathing part. 477 00:22:01,066 --> 00:22:02,533 But there's really a lot of industry 478 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,933 to the segmentation part. 479 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,266 You really got to think it through. 480 00:22:05,333 --> 00:22:07,766 There's some geometry, math, I mean, and patience. 481 00:22:07,833 --> 00:22:09,333 Tom: Yeah. It's a challenge to get it 482 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,800 to where you think you want it. 483 00:22:10,866 --> 00:22:14,100 And it's funny because once you form the bowl, 484 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:15,466 you've got it all built up, 485 00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:19,100 the tool allows you to shape it in different directions, 486 00:22:19,166 --> 00:22:20,733 and look what you get. 487 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,333 Kevin: Yeah, well, I can see why you enjoy it. 488 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,533 You are a real artist. Tom: It's very relaxing. 489 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,866 That's why I love it. Kevin: Nice job, Tommy. 490 00:22:26,933 --> 00:22:28,500 Alright, well, that is it for us. 491 00:22:28,566 --> 00:22:30,633 So until next time, I'm Kevin O'Connor. 492 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:31,633 Tom: And I'm Tom Silva. 493 00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:33,866 Kevin: For "Ask This Old House." 494 00:22:33,933 --> 00:22:35,000 Beautiful job. 495 00:22:35,066 --> 00:22:39,066 ♪♪ 496 00:22:40,333 --> 00:22:42,500 Kevin: Next time on "Ask This Old House"... 497 00:22:42,566 --> 00:22:45,166 Nathan heads to Portland to help a daycare provider 498 00:22:45,233 --> 00:22:47,366 build a mud kitchen for her students. 499 00:22:47,433 --> 00:22:48,766 Woman: Can't wait for them to see it on Monday. 500 00:22:48,833 --> 00:22:50,733 They're going to have so much fun. 501 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,966 Kevin: Then Mauro helps a homeowner 502 00:22:53,033 --> 00:22:55,500 update a wood-paneled room. 503 00:22:55,566 --> 00:22:58,966 And are you perplexed when it comes to pruning? 504 00:22:59,033 --> 00:23:02,166 Lee gives a tutorial on the tools and techniques 505 00:23:02,233 --> 00:23:05,466 that will have you shearing like a pro. 506 00:23:05,533 --> 00:23:08,433 All that on "Ask This Old House."