1 00:00:00,766 --> 00:00:04,800 ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,866 --> 00:00:06,300 Kevin: On "Ask This Old House," 3 00:00:06,366 --> 00:00:09,033 our experts travel across the country 4 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:11,500 to answer questions about your house. 5 00:00:11,566 --> 00:00:17,933 ♪♪ 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,266 Today, Mark helps a homeowner restore 7 00:00:20,333 --> 00:00:22,866 their hundred-year-old firebox. 8 00:00:22,933 --> 00:00:25,266 Then Lee and Jenn give their favorite tips 9 00:00:25,333 --> 00:00:29,100 on transitioning your yard from spring to summer. 10 00:00:29,166 --> 00:00:32,266 Plus, Tommy and I get some help organizing the workshop 11 00:00:32,333 --> 00:00:35,033 from our Glen Ridge project general contractor, 12 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:36,766 Zack Dettmore. 13 00:00:36,833 --> 00:00:39,166 How satisfying is that, huh? Tom: Very satisfying. 14 00:00:39,233 --> 00:00:41,600 Kevin: Everything in its place. 15 00:00:41,666 --> 00:00:44,600 Coming up next on "Ask This Old House." 16 00:00:46,833 --> 00:00:50,633 ♪♪ 17 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:54,066 Ross: Indoor air chemistry is super, super complex. 18 00:00:54,133 --> 00:00:57,433 We're talking about IAQ, right -- indoor air quality. 19 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:00,633 There's been a lot of research over water-quality standards 20 00:01:00,700 --> 00:01:02,333 and the food-quality standards that we use -- 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,333 and for good reasons, right? 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,233 But the air quality is the one 23 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,966 that's kind of been the third on that list. 24 00:01:09,033 --> 00:01:10,666 And if you think about what we eat, 25 00:01:10,733 --> 00:01:12,233 what we drink, and what we breathe, 26 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:14,500 if you're looking for an average person, 27 00:01:14,566 --> 00:01:18,633 they ingest about 4 pounds of food every single day. 28 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:23,766 They drink about 8 pounds of water every single day. 29 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:28,400 But they breathe about 30 pounds of air a day. 30 00:01:28,466 --> 00:01:31,200 And so I think it's about time that we start to focus more 31 00:01:31,266 --> 00:01:33,566 on the air quality in our buildings. 32 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:37,433 I do a presentation called "The Unintended Consequences 33 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:38,900 of Building Airtight." 34 00:01:38,966 --> 00:01:40,866 That whole idea is that, you know, 35 00:01:40,933 --> 00:01:45,133 we build these awesome houses, we seal them up so well. 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,466 We've reduced their heating bills, 37 00:01:46,533 --> 00:01:48,366 we've reduced their cooling bills, 38 00:01:48,433 --> 00:01:51,033 but now you have the ultimate Petri dish 39 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:53,833 where you've stored and captured all these contaminants, 40 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:56,466 and it doesn't get to outside -- it's trapped. 41 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:59,633 So we have to ventilate for those buildings appropriately. 42 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:02,366 So let's make sure that you are now running your ventilation system, 43 00:02:02,433 --> 00:02:04,133 so the bath fans... Man: Okay. 44 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,566 Ross: ...kitchen fans, et cetera. 45 00:02:05,633 --> 00:02:06,866 Make sure you're running that because we want to get 46 00:02:06,933 --> 00:02:08,800 that moisture out of the house. 47 00:02:08,866 --> 00:02:10,466 People are definitely scared about indoor air quality 48 00:02:10,533 --> 00:02:12,833 because it's kind of, like, this unknown thing, right? 49 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:14,733 It's kind of like the boogieman in a way. 50 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,633 You have this esoteric idea that, you know, 51 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:19,866 air quality is just, you know -- 52 00:02:19,933 --> 00:02:22,833 "If I can't smell anything, it's fine." 53 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:24,600 And so a lot of people don't really have 54 00:02:24,666 --> 00:02:26,133 a full understanding of it. 55 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,700 But the way I think about it is that the data doesn't lie. 56 00:02:28,766 --> 00:02:31,166 And if we can get these IAQ monitors, you know, 57 00:02:31,233 --> 00:02:34,500 into people's houses, you know, we can start to get baselines. 58 00:02:34,566 --> 00:02:37,033 We can start to understand how that building is performing 59 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:38,600 and how healthy that building is. 60 00:02:38,666 --> 00:02:42,033 What we do is we typically pick like six or seven proxies 61 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:43,566 for indoor air quality. 62 00:02:43,633 --> 00:02:46,300 So that could be carbon dioxide, like what we breathe out. 63 00:02:46,366 --> 00:02:49,466 It could be particulate matter, like when we burn stuff. 64 00:02:49,533 --> 00:02:52,100 VOCs -- like off-gassing of chemicals 65 00:02:52,166 --> 00:02:53,633 from furniture and carpets. 66 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:55,333 Now, DIY, consumer-friendly devices 67 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,600 that measure those six things I talked about. 68 00:02:57,666 --> 00:02:59,600 For people that are kind of scared about IAQ, 69 00:02:59,666 --> 00:03:02,033 you know, I tend to push back to say, 70 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:04,800 you know, we don't know what we don't measure. 71 00:03:04,866 --> 00:03:07,366 The analogy I give is, if you're gonna go to the doctor, 72 00:03:07,433 --> 00:03:09,300 right, for some health issue, 73 00:03:09,366 --> 00:03:10,833 what they're gonna do is gonna run some tests 74 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:13,433 to establish baselines and understand, you know, 75 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:14,866 where things are at, right? 76 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:17,066 We pick these six proxies as an example, 77 00:03:17,133 --> 00:03:20,166 and we watch those over time, and that gives us the ability 78 00:03:20,233 --> 00:03:22,133 to say, hey, if one of these goes, you know, 79 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,266 out of line and goes above a certain threshold 80 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:27,100 for a long period of time, we now know about it, number one, 81 00:03:27,166 --> 00:03:28,700 so the information's there, 82 00:03:28,766 --> 00:03:31,166 and then we can come up with a solution to solve that 83 00:03:31,233 --> 00:03:33,933 or try to figure out why it rose, right? 84 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,666 So it shouldn't be scary. It should be used as, 85 00:03:36,733 --> 00:03:39,233 hey, we're making sure that we have peace of mind 86 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:41,133 and we have healthy buildings to live in. 87 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,733 We design buildings for people, not the other way around, 88 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,966 so we want to make sure we get the ventilation, filtration, 89 00:03:48,033 --> 00:03:49,233 source capture right, 90 00:03:49,300 --> 00:03:51,066 and it's going to become more of an issue 91 00:03:51,133 --> 00:03:53,100 when our buildings get tighter and tighter. 92 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:55,466 And so, you know, my kind of goal 93 00:03:55,533 --> 00:03:58,333 is just to make people more aware of it 94 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,200 so that we can start to understand 95 00:04:00,266 --> 00:04:02,500 what the air quality is like, and we can make sure 96 00:04:02,566 --> 00:04:05,233 that these buildings are going to get healthier. 97 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:08,966 ♪♪ 98 00:04:16,300 --> 00:04:17,400 Mark: Hey, Ryan. Ryan: Hey, Mark. How are you? 99 00:04:17,466 --> 00:04:19,433 Mark: I'm doing great. Doing great. 100 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:21,233 Oh, I love the house. Ryan: Oh, thanks. 101 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:23,300 Mark: You wrote me about a fireplace? 102 00:04:23,366 --> 00:04:24,533 Ryan: I did. Absolutely. Mark: Let's check it out. 103 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,800 Ryan: Let me show it to you. Mark: Great. 104 00:04:27,866 --> 00:04:29,833 Ryan: So, we bought the house about five years ago, 105 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:31,966 and one of our favorite parts of the house 106 00:04:32,033 --> 00:04:34,833 is this original 1888 fireplace. 107 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:36,433 Mark: Yeah! It's a built-in piece of art. 108 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:38,033 I'll tell you that. Ryan: Yeah, for sure. 109 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:42,100 So, you know, our favorite part really is this artistic tile. 110 00:04:42,166 --> 00:04:44,900 And we've named these two children on the tile 111 00:04:44,966 --> 00:04:46,766 Agnes and Rutherford. Mark: Alright, I love it. 112 00:04:46,833 --> 00:04:48,300 Ryan: Yeah, so, it was originally 113 00:04:48,366 --> 00:04:50,733 an 1880s coal-burning fireplace, 114 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,200 and I'm really glad that we could convert it to natural gas 115 00:04:54,266 --> 00:04:56,600 and then keep that coal-type insert 116 00:04:56,666 --> 00:04:58,366 to celebrate its original character. 117 00:04:58,433 --> 00:05:00,166 So, we've put the gas insert in, 118 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:02,566 but we're a little bit afraid to turn it on, given 119 00:05:02,633 --> 00:05:04,200 the state of this firebox. Mark: Okay. 120 00:05:04,266 --> 00:05:05,900 Well, there are a couple of things 121 00:05:05,966 --> 00:05:07,400 that I see right off the bat. 122 00:05:07,466 --> 00:05:10,800 You can see the fire brick, of course, has a hole in it. 123 00:05:10,866 --> 00:05:13,133 This top piece and the side pieces 124 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,366 were actually made in a form. 125 00:05:15,433 --> 00:05:17,800 So you put the form on the ground, 126 00:05:17,866 --> 00:05:19,300 you pour the material into it, 127 00:05:19,366 --> 00:05:21,400 you smooth it off, you let it set up. 128 00:05:21,466 --> 00:05:25,233 When you flip it over, you have these lines in the concrete. 129 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:27,966 That's going to mimic the jointing of a brick. 130 00:05:28,033 --> 00:05:30,500 But the only thing that does worry me 131 00:05:30,566 --> 00:05:32,933 is I know back in the day, 1880s, 132 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,533 they did use asbestos in some of the masonry materials. 133 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,666 So I may just grab that piece 134 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:42,500 and have it tested just to make sure that we're good to go. 135 00:05:42,566 --> 00:05:44,266 Ryan: Yeah, for sure. Mark: Alright. 136 00:05:44,333 --> 00:05:46,333 So let me grab this. 137 00:05:48,533 --> 00:05:50,700 Oh, yeah. 138 00:05:50,766 --> 00:05:52,433 Yeah. So it'll be good to test it. 139 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:53,966 Ryan: Okay. Fantastic. Mark: Let's go. 140 00:05:54,033 --> 00:05:55,166 Ryan: Great. Thanks. 141 00:05:55,233 --> 00:06:04,133 ♪♪ 142 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,600 Mark: Alright, Ryan. 143 00:06:05,666 --> 00:06:07,000 Well, I think we got pretty lucky. 144 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:08,966 This tested negative for asbestos. 145 00:06:09,033 --> 00:06:11,700 Ryan: Great news. Mark: Great news. 146 00:06:11,766 --> 00:06:15,033 And this is the fire brick that I propose to use. 147 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:17,366 Anytime that I'm doing any type of repair work, 148 00:06:17,433 --> 00:06:19,533 I always want to mimic existing. 149 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,366 It's not always as easy as it sounds. 150 00:06:22,433 --> 00:06:24,900 Sometimes we're restricted by code, 151 00:06:24,966 --> 00:06:26,900 which we are in fireboxes, 152 00:06:26,966 --> 00:06:30,900 so we are predicated to use a fire brick. 153 00:06:30,966 --> 00:06:32,900 This fire brick comes in two colors. 154 00:06:32,966 --> 00:06:35,133 It's a red or it's this yellow. 155 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,066 As you can see, this yellow matches very nicely. 156 00:06:38,133 --> 00:06:39,766 Ryan: Oh. Yeah. Mark: The size is 157 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:42,866 a little bit different, but I'm not worried about that 158 00:06:42,933 --> 00:06:44,600 because I can use a saw and cut these brick 159 00:06:44,666 --> 00:06:46,400 any way I want to mimic what we have. 160 00:06:46,466 --> 00:06:48,933 Ryan: Great. So, what's different about fire brick? 161 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,366 Mark: So, this fire brick is made with what we call 162 00:06:51,433 --> 00:06:54,666 refractory cement, and all it is is a heat-resistant cement. 163 00:06:54,733 --> 00:06:57,166 So that's why it's code to put it into fireboxes. 164 00:06:57,233 --> 00:06:58,433 Ryan: Okay. Mark: Alright. 165 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:00,900 So, why don't we move this coal basket, 166 00:07:00,966 --> 00:07:03,466 and, that way, we can see exactly what we're going to do? 167 00:07:03,533 --> 00:07:05,133 Ryan: Sounds good. 168 00:07:08,966 --> 00:07:10,933 Mark: Okay, Ryan, so, in the spirit of 169 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 keeping the original integrity, these sidewalls look like 170 00:07:14,066 --> 00:07:15,666 they're in pretty good condition, 171 00:07:15,733 --> 00:07:17,633 so I think we'll leave those. 172 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:21,433 Obviously, the back wall, we can see the damage right now. 173 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:23,300 I can see that just wants to come. 174 00:07:23,366 --> 00:07:24,700 Ryan: Wow. Mark: Right. 175 00:07:24,766 --> 00:07:27,333 And, again, we have this major crack in the top piece, 176 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,233 so that's going to eliminate it for us 177 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:32,100 trying to use it again. 178 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,900 But when we take this piece out, we do have to be careful 179 00:07:36,966 --> 00:07:40,000 because there is a damper on top of this firebox. 180 00:07:40,066 --> 00:07:41,966 I'm not really sure just yet 181 00:07:42,033 --> 00:07:45,300 on if it's tied in with this steel that holds this apron. 182 00:07:45,366 --> 00:07:49,466 But as we get deeper into this... 183 00:07:49,533 --> 00:07:53,966 you can see that it wants to come. 184 00:07:54,033 --> 00:07:56,200 And instead of banging things around 185 00:07:56,266 --> 00:07:58,466 with a hammer and a chisel, I think I'm just going to 186 00:07:58,533 --> 00:08:00,566 try to twist them out. 187 00:08:00,633 --> 00:08:04,366 Here we go. There we go. Okay. 188 00:08:04,433 --> 00:08:05,933 ♪♪ 189 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,833 You get that piece. I have this one. 190 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:09,200 Ryan: Okay. 191 00:08:09,266 --> 00:08:13,366 ♪♪ 192 00:08:13,433 --> 00:08:15,566 [ Whirring ] 193 00:08:15,633 --> 00:08:25,433 ♪♪ 194 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:32,933 ♪♪ 195 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,266 Mark: Okay, Ryan, now that we have everything cleaned out, 196 00:08:35,333 --> 00:08:36,400 we're going to do the layout 197 00:08:36,466 --> 00:08:38,400 and, most specifically, the back wall. 198 00:08:38,466 --> 00:08:40,466 Ryan: Great. Mark: So, during the demo, 199 00:08:40,533 --> 00:08:43,466 we were able to save a few of the original pieces. 200 00:08:43,533 --> 00:08:45,666 And, again, as discussed before, we always 201 00:08:45,733 --> 00:08:47,333 want to be original whenever we can. 202 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,933 So we're going to take this brick. 203 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,066 We're gonna put it back there. 204 00:08:52,133 --> 00:08:53,633 This is the other one we were able to salvage. 205 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:55,300 We're going to put that there. 206 00:08:55,366 --> 00:08:56,700 And the reason I want to do that 207 00:08:56,766 --> 00:09:00,433 is because the match for that brick is right there. 208 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:04,233 So we're going to take our modern-day fire brick. 209 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:06,566 And we'll go in the middle. 210 00:09:06,633 --> 00:09:10,166 And that is basically what your back wall is going to look like. 211 00:09:10,233 --> 00:09:14,366 To complete the layout, we're going to use a half brick here. 212 00:09:17,166 --> 00:09:19,733 And then we're going to come back over. 213 00:09:20,933 --> 00:09:25,700 And then we're going to tuck this brick in the back. 214 00:09:25,766 --> 00:09:27,733 Like that. 215 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,066 And this creates what we call a running bond pattern. 216 00:09:31,133 --> 00:09:34,133 And the bottom course is going to repeat on the third course. 217 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,266 That's gonna bring us to the height of our fluted fire brick. 218 00:09:37,333 --> 00:09:39,333 And then the last two courses that we do, 219 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,266 we're going to tip in to give it the Franklin bend. 220 00:09:42,333 --> 00:09:44,566 And the Franklin bend, don't forget, will throw the heat out. 221 00:09:44,633 --> 00:09:45,966 And the first thing I'm gonna do -- 222 00:09:46,033 --> 00:09:47,933 I'm gonna ask you to do it -- is dip that brick 223 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,066 in that bucket of water. 224 00:09:49,133 --> 00:09:50,733 Ryan: Okay. Mark: Real quick. 225 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,500 Ryan: Why do the bricks need to be wet? 226 00:09:52,566 --> 00:09:54,833 Mark: So, these fire brick are so dry 227 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,033 that they'll extract the water that's in the mortar. 228 00:09:57,100 --> 00:09:59,000 And once that happens, the mortar becomes very brittle. 229 00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:00,566 Ryan: Oh. Mark: And our wall 230 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:01,966 will start to wave. Ryan: Oh. Okay. 231 00:10:02,033 --> 00:10:06,000 Mark: So we want to pre-wet these brick. 232 00:10:06,066 --> 00:10:07,933 I'll take that one, Ryan. 233 00:10:16,566 --> 00:10:21,266 Again, I'm just going to line that up with existing. 234 00:10:21,333 --> 00:10:27,366 ♪♪ 235 00:10:27,433 --> 00:10:29,133 Make sure I'm plumb. 236 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,966 ♪♪ 237 00:10:32,033 --> 00:10:35,066 Now, because this brick is in the middle of a course, 238 00:10:35,133 --> 00:10:38,900 I'm gonna do my head joints before I slip that brick in. 239 00:10:38,966 --> 00:10:41,900 And always very important to have full head joints. 240 00:10:41,966 --> 00:10:43,700 Ryan: Oh. That's perfect. Mark: Yeah. Yeah. 241 00:10:43,766 --> 00:10:46,166 ♪♪ 242 00:10:46,233 --> 00:10:48,266 And we'll go to next course. 243 00:10:48,333 --> 00:10:53,233 ♪♪ 244 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:55,233 Alright, Ryan, I think it's your turn. 245 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:56,333 Ryan: Alright. I'll give it a shot. 246 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,466 Mark: Feeling good? Ryan: Yeah. 247 00:10:57,533 --> 00:10:59,533 Mark: Alright. 248 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,200 Spread that mortar. Exactly. 249 00:11:03,266 --> 00:11:06,800 You can wiggle that into place, too, Ryan. 250 00:11:06,866 --> 00:11:09,300 To get the Franklin bend in, 251 00:11:09,366 --> 00:11:14,366 the last course we had to do was 5 1/2 inches all the way across. 252 00:11:14,433 --> 00:11:17,833 And the Franklin bend will reflect the heat. 253 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:19,133 Alright, Ryan, what do you think? 254 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,300 Ryan: It looks wonderful. Thank you so much. 255 00:11:20,366 --> 00:11:21,466 Mark: Alright. Great. 256 00:11:21,533 --> 00:11:23,233 So, the only thing I'm gonna do 257 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:25,100 is leave you with a little bit of homework. 258 00:11:25,166 --> 00:11:26,366 You can see that haze 259 00:11:26,433 --> 00:11:28,300 that I already put on those yellow fire brick. 260 00:11:28,366 --> 00:11:31,966 Well, in your jar is a little bit of ash and soot. 261 00:11:32,033 --> 00:11:34,633 I have a damp rag in my hand. 262 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:36,633 And as you can see... 263 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,800 ...darkening up the brick pretty good, right? 264 00:11:41,866 --> 00:11:43,333 Ryan: Matches perfectly. That's great. 265 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,266 Mark: Yeah. Yeah. You can go darker if you like, 266 00:11:45,333 --> 00:11:47,400 but I think you're doing pretty good right now. 267 00:11:47,466 --> 00:11:49,800 But, anyway, I hope you enjoy. 268 00:11:49,866 --> 00:11:51,300 Ryan: Perfect. Thank you so much for coming by. 269 00:11:51,366 --> 00:11:52,866 I really appreciate it. Mark: Alright. Okay, Ryan. 270 00:11:52,933 --> 00:11:54,166 Ryan: Thanks. Mark: Thank you for having me. 271 00:11:54,233 --> 00:11:55,333 Ryan: See ya. 272 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,633 ♪♪ 273 00:12:02,966 --> 00:12:04,133 Kevin: Hey, Jenn. Hey, Lee. 274 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,333 Jenn: Hey. Lee: Hi, Kevin. How you doing? 275 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,566 Kevin: I'm doing alright. 276 00:12:06,633 --> 00:12:07,666 What are you guys kibitzin' about here? 277 00:12:07,733 --> 00:12:08,933 Lee: What are you talking about? 278 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,133 [ Laughter ] 279 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,500 Jenn: Making a game plan. Lee: [ Laughs ] 280 00:12:12,566 --> 00:12:14,700 That's a shot. No, we're talking about -- 281 00:12:14,766 --> 00:12:17,333 We're talking about going from spring into summertime now. 282 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,766 Kevin: Busy time of year. Jenn: Yes. 283 00:12:18,833 --> 00:12:20,333 One of my favorite times. 284 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,066 Lee: Exactly. Kevin: What is on the list? 285 00:12:22,133 --> 00:12:24,766 Lee: Well, mulch is one, always, okay? 286 00:12:24,833 --> 00:12:26,400 And putting in your annuals, getting ready for that. 287 00:12:26,466 --> 00:12:28,066 What do you think? 288 00:12:28,133 --> 00:12:29,533 Jenn: Well, we've already done the cleanups, 289 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,333 you know, raked out all the debris from the winter. 290 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,066 People have mulched. Some people are waiting 291 00:12:33,133 --> 00:12:35,400 for the pollen to finish coming down. 292 00:12:35,466 --> 00:12:36,600 Lee: Preference. 293 00:12:36,666 --> 00:12:38,666 Jenn: But this time of year is great. 294 00:12:38,733 --> 00:12:40,733 Transitioning to spring to summer 295 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,500 to set up for lounge time in the summertime. 296 00:12:43,566 --> 00:12:45,400 Kevin: Alright. So let's start with the beds, alright? 297 00:12:45,466 --> 00:12:46,900 Can I have you do the beds? 298 00:12:46,966 --> 00:12:49,333 Give me, like, the garden stuff that I got to be thinking about 299 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,333 because I'm ready for mulch. I want it in. 300 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,366 Lee: What you got to do is cut the beds in first. 301 00:12:53,433 --> 00:12:55,600 Get a nice cut in, nice edge on everything, 302 00:12:55,666 --> 00:12:58,100 and then probably put down a nice layer of mulch, 303 00:12:58,166 --> 00:13:01,400 whether you prefer, like, a leaf mulch or a hemlock mulch. 304 00:13:01,466 --> 00:13:04,533 Jenn: Yeah. Leaf mulch is great because it's composted leaves 305 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,366 and adds all the nutrients to the soil. 306 00:13:06,433 --> 00:13:08,633 Kevin: I like a dark bark mulch. Like, a dark bark mulch. 307 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:11,166 Jenn: It is dark. You have to -- You have to give it a try. 308 00:13:11,233 --> 00:13:13,433 Lee: And also maybe a little light pruning on plants that already flowered. 309 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:14,900 Kevin: Yeah, what gets pruned this time of year? 310 00:13:14,966 --> 00:13:18,200 Lee: I like to do, like, rhododendrons, azaleas, lilacs. 311 00:13:18,266 --> 00:13:20,600 Also I like to do the tulips that come up. 312 00:13:20,666 --> 00:13:22,266 Kevin: Oh, you cut the bulb plants back. 313 00:13:22,333 --> 00:13:24,333 Lee: Yes. Cut those back. But the daffodils, 314 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,300 we don't like to do because they like to grow -- 315 00:13:26,366 --> 00:13:28,633 They like to have their energy go back on the dead. 316 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:30,500 Jenn: Right. So tidy that up. 317 00:13:30,566 --> 00:13:32,066 Clean what needs to be cut back, 318 00:13:32,133 --> 00:13:34,400 any dead from the year before from the perennials. 319 00:13:34,466 --> 00:13:36,900 And like we said, all the spring-blooming lilacs. 320 00:13:36,966 --> 00:13:38,500 It's the best time of year 321 00:13:38,566 --> 00:13:40,233 to shape them because later on in the season 322 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:42,000 you're gonna cut off the blooms for the next year. 323 00:13:42,066 --> 00:13:43,966 Kevin: Right. Exactly. Jenn: So on the checklist. 324 00:13:44,033 --> 00:13:47,700 And then also for -- We'll talk about lawns in a second. 325 00:13:47,766 --> 00:13:49,600 I know. I feel it coming. 326 00:13:49,666 --> 00:13:51,666 Another thing is if you have an irrigation system 327 00:13:51,733 --> 00:13:54,133 or whatever kind of watering system you have, 328 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,033 once you get it all blown out and set up for the season, 329 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:57,266 you want to check all the heads, 330 00:13:57,333 --> 00:13:59,233 make sure everything's working properly. 331 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:00,966 And then think of timing of watering 332 00:14:01,033 --> 00:14:02,966 as the temperatures rise. Lee: Morning's the best time, 333 00:14:03,033 --> 00:14:04,666 I think, and I like to do it early 334 00:14:04,733 --> 00:14:07,166 so you get the lawn hydrated and your plants are hydrated. 335 00:14:07,233 --> 00:14:08,900 Jenn: Yeah. Deep watering is better 336 00:14:08,966 --> 00:14:10,400 than more frequent watering. 337 00:14:10,466 --> 00:14:12,133 Kevin: Yeah. Alright. So on to the lawn. 338 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,433 On to the lawn! Jenn: Yep, yep. 339 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:15,600 Kevin: So, we put our first fertilizer down, 340 00:14:15,666 --> 00:14:17,733 the pre-emergent. That was early spring. 341 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:18,966 Lee: Correct. Kevin: What are we doing now? 342 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:21,500 Lee: Now we're going to put down some nitrogen, 343 00:14:21,566 --> 00:14:23,100 get it green, and some phosphorus. 344 00:14:23,166 --> 00:14:25,633 So that will hold us through any stress 345 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:27,333 through the summer coming up. Kevin: Gotcha. 346 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,900 Now, I like to aerate. You guys are down with aerating, right? 347 00:14:28,966 --> 00:14:30,266 Lee: Yes. Aerating is really good. 348 00:14:30,333 --> 00:14:31,833 Kevin: Do you do that before 349 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,900 you drop that second fertilizer down, after? Does it matter? 350 00:14:33,966 --> 00:14:36,166 Lee: You can do it before or after. Really doesn't matter. 351 00:14:36,233 --> 00:14:39,166 But the issue is you want to get down that thatch layer 352 00:14:39,233 --> 00:14:40,633 so you're getting some nutrients down 353 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:42,133 in that layer -- and oxygen. 354 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,700 Jenn: Yeah. Very important. 355 00:14:43,766 --> 00:14:45,266 Kevin: So busy time, exciting time 356 00:14:45,333 --> 00:14:46,633 for both of you guys. Jenn: Yeah. 357 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:48,866 Once it's done, you just sit back and watch it all grow. 358 00:14:48,933 --> 00:14:50,333 Lee: Exactly. Jenn: It's so fun. 359 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,466 Kevin: Get on the patio and enjoy it. Thank you. 360 00:14:52,533 --> 00:14:54,166 Jenn: Yeah. You're welcome. Lee: Thank you. 361 00:14:54,233 --> 00:14:56,666 ♪♪ 362 00:14:56,733 --> 00:14:58,500 Kevin: Hey, Tommy. Tom: Hey, Kevin. How are ya? 363 00:14:58,566 --> 00:15:00,433 Kevin: Zack. Welcome to the shop. 364 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,400 Zack: Thanks for having me. Kevin: Yeah, well, it's been 365 00:15:02,466 --> 00:15:03,966 a pleasure working with you down in Glen Ridge. 366 00:15:04,033 --> 00:15:05,766 You're doing a great job on that house down there. 367 00:15:05,833 --> 00:15:07,433 Tom: Doing a great job. Zack: I appreciate that. 368 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,666 Kevin: And, you know, we were thinking of you 369 00:15:09,733 --> 00:15:11,833 because we did this project not that long ago 370 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:13,300 where we built the miter stand 371 00:15:13,366 --> 00:15:15,466 but also some storage with the flanking cabinets. 372 00:15:15,533 --> 00:15:18,266 And after seeing your truck down in Glen Ridge, 373 00:15:18,333 --> 00:15:19,766 we were like, "What's wrong with this kid?" 374 00:15:19,833 --> 00:15:21,100 Zack: I only do remodeling 375 00:15:21,166 --> 00:15:22,933 so I can have the tools to organize. 376 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,733 It's just a side project. 377 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Tom: My hat's off to your organization. That's for sure. 378 00:15:27,066 --> 00:15:28,866 He's the organizer. I always want to be. 379 00:15:28,933 --> 00:15:31,133 I have a vision, but I can't seem to do it. 380 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,600 Kevin: Yeah. Super-organized. 381 00:15:32,666 --> 00:15:34,733 Zack: You're the kind of builder I want to be. 382 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,933 [ Laughter ] 383 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,233 Kevin: Well, we put you two together. 384 00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:38,733 We've invited you up here, and we're thinking 385 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,900 you're just the guy to help us organize all of the tools. 386 00:15:41,966 --> 00:15:43,500 We got a ton of stuff everywhere, 387 00:15:43,566 --> 00:15:45,033 and now we have some new storage. 388 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,366 Tom: Big job. Kevin: I guess the first 389 00:15:46,433 --> 00:15:48,966 question to you is, like, what do you think about? 390 00:15:49,033 --> 00:15:51,233 Like, what's the number-one thing that goes to your head 391 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:53,400 when you see a mess like this? 392 00:15:53,466 --> 00:15:54,400 Zack: So, the first thing I think about is, like, 393 00:15:54,466 --> 00:15:55,766 big, bulky things. 394 00:15:55,833 --> 00:15:58,100 So, in general, humans are lazy, right? 395 00:15:58,166 --> 00:15:59,533 We're gonna be lazy. 396 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,033 So if something is hard or difficult 397 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,866 to put back in the correct spot, we're not gonna do it, right? 398 00:16:04,933 --> 00:16:06,866 Tom: True. Zack: So make sure your ladders 399 00:16:06,933 --> 00:16:09,000 and your miter saws are easy, like you have. 400 00:16:09,066 --> 00:16:11,633 The vacuum's kind of bulky. That's right in the center. 401 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:13,166 So you've done that. 402 00:16:13,233 --> 00:16:15,733 The next thing is essential tools should be in a location 403 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,200 that's easy to get to. 404 00:16:18,266 --> 00:16:20,700 So whatever you're using the most -- pencils, tape measures, 405 00:16:20,766 --> 00:16:23,766 hammers -- those should be high up, waist height, 406 00:16:23,833 --> 00:16:25,600 not a lot of walking to get to them. 407 00:16:25,666 --> 00:16:27,033 Kevin: Mm-hmm. Zack: And then the final thing 408 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:30,900 is putting the solution where the problem is. 409 00:16:30,966 --> 00:16:34,833 So if you need a pencil and you're at the miter saw, 410 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:36,666 there should be pencils in that location 411 00:16:36,733 --> 00:16:38,733 so you're not getting yourself all set up 412 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,533 then having to walk to a different location. 413 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,266 Tom: Yeah, you got a board, you want to mark it. 414 00:16:43,333 --> 00:16:45,066 You don't want to be hunting for a pencil. 415 00:16:45,133 --> 00:16:46,800 "Oh, it's right here -- right beside me." 416 00:16:46,866 --> 00:16:47,933 Zack: Exactly. Tom: Makes sense. 417 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,266 Zack: Making it intuitive, basically. 418 00:16:50,333 --> 00:16:52,700 If it works for you and Tommy, 419 00:16:52,766 --> 00:16:55,200 then it'll work for anyone working in this space, 420 00:16:55,266 --> 00:16:56,866 and it'll make more sense 421 00:16:56,933 --> 00:16:58,866 for things to fall back to where they need, 422 00:16:58,933 --> 00:17:01,666 and you can kind of group like tools together. 423 00:17:01,733 --> 00:17:04,133 Tom: That's the trick, putting things back where they belong. 424 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,666 Zack: Yeah. Tom: That's my problem. 425 00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:07,800 Doesn't seem to want to go back where I took it from. 426 00:17:07,866 --> 00:17:09,766 Zack: So, there should be no will power. 427 00:17:09,833 --> 00:17:10,900 Tom: Yeah, exactly. 428 00:17:10,966 --> 00:17:12,166 Zack: We can't rely on will power. 429 00:17:12,233 --> 00:17:14,200 We have to rely on the system 430 00:17:14,266 --> 00:17:17,000 wanting things to go back where they belong. 431 00:17:17,066 --> 00:17:18,566 Tom: Right. Kevin: So, in terms of -- 432 00:17:18,633 --> 00:17:20,166 I just heard group "like tools" together. 433 00:17:20,233 --> 00:17:21,633 We've got a whole bunch of different things here. 434 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:23,333 We've got drivers. We've got hand tools. 435 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,000 We've got some saw stuff. Is that where we start? 436 00:17:27,066 --> 00:17:28,266 Zack: Yeah, so, I would say 437 00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:30,466 the hand tools you use most frequently, 438 00:17:30,533 --> 00:17:34,000 we'll find where they go, the easiest-to-access place. 439 00:17:34,066 --> 00:17:37,166 And then for something like table-saw-related tools, 440 00:17:37,233 --> 00:17:39,566 we should put those close to the table saw. 441 00:17:39,633 --> 00:17:42,133 And we can just sort of generally pull these things 442 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,600 into drawers, and then we'll see how quickly those drawers 443 00:17:44,666 --> 00:17:46,633 are filling up and if we need to move things around 444 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:48,166 just for the sake of storage. 445 00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:51,466 Kevin: Do a glue drawer? Yes. 446 00:17:51,533 --> 00:17:53,466 Tom: Alright. Here's a little magnet. That's handy. 447 00:17:53,533 --> 00:17:54,566 Zack: Well, that's good. 448 00:17:54,633 --> 00:17:57,333 I made this our designated junk drawer. 449 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,066 If we have a spot 450 00:17:59,133 --> 00:18:01,666 where miscellaneous things like this go, 451 00:18:01,733 --> 00:18:02,933 then it'll keep the other drawers 452 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,466 we're trying to organize clear of useful tools 453 00:18:05,533 --> 00:18:07,266 that we're not sure how to organize. 454 00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:08,666 Tom: Sounds good. 455 00:18:08,733 --> 00:18:10,833 Kevin: Ooh. Two more things for your glue drawer. 456 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:12,866 Zack: Oh. We're in full glue swing right now. 457 00:18:12,933 --> 00:18:15,300 Kevin: Two-part epoxy. Zack: Whoa! 458 00:18:15,366 --> 00:18:19,466 ♪♪ 459 00:18:19,533 --> 00:18:21,700 Kevin: Okay. Looks like everything is kind of 460 00:18:21,766 --> 00:18:23,266 grouped into their piles. Zack: Yeah. 461 00:18:23,333 --> 00:18:25,500 Kevin: You know, with power tools in one area. 462 00:18:25,566 --> 00:18:27,233 And I think the biggest drawer is the hand tools 463 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:28,666 here to the side. Zack: Right. 464 00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:32,800 So, in general, I like to have the systems be modular 465 00:18:32,866 --> 00:18:34,633 so you don't have to throw out the old system 466 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:36,900 and make a new one when you get one new tool. 467 00:18:36,966 --> 00:18:40,066 But I think we know those hand tools you use all the time -- 468 00:18:40,133 --> 00:18:41,800 tape measure, pencils. 469 00:18:41,866 --> 00:18:44,433 So I think it's safe for us to make a specific system 470 00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:46,133 that keeps those things really organized. 471 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,700 And for that, we're going to use foam. 472 00:18:48,766 --> 00:18:51,133 And it's sort of like just a different version 473 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,166 of having the peg board on the wall 474 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:56,033 that you trace around it to show where things go, 475 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:59,233 except we're gonna cut the shape out of the tool out in the foam. 476 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:02,333 ♪♪ 477 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Kevin: It's like a crime scene for hand tools. 478 00:19:04,666 --> 00:19:07,033 Zack: Yeah. Exactly. Kevin: [ Laughs ] 479 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:14,766 ♪♪ 480 00:19:14,833 --> 00:19:16,133 Zack: This little tool. 481 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,100 Will make it easier to remove it from the foam. 482 00:19:19,166 --> 00:19:21,500 Tom: Look at that. 483 00:19:21,566 --> 00:19:23,633 Kevin: Boy, that looks good. How satisfying is that, huh? 484 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:26,466 Tom: Very satisfying. Kevin: Everything in its place. 485 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:27,800 Tom: Yeah. Kevin: Okay. 486 00:19:27,866 --> 00:19:31,266 Dare we tackle bits and drivers, Zack? 487 00:19:31,333 --> 00:19:33,500 Because this... 488 00:19:33,566 --> 00:19:35,066 can be a nightmare. 489 00:19:35,133 --> 00:19:36,400 Zack: It is totally a nightmare. 490 00:19:36,466 --> 00:19:37,800 Because there's so many. 491 00:19:37,866 --> 00:19:39,133 So, there's a couple of different ways 492 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,666 we can go about this. 493 00:19:40,733 --> 00:19:44,033 Um, you've got some nice sets already that are well-organized, 494 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:46,033 so instead of us wasting a bunch of time 495 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:48,666 coming up with another system for this, 496 00:19:48,733 --> 00:19:51,933 I say we just reuse those and throw them right in. 497 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,766 Tom: Yeah. Zack: But for items like this 498 00:19:53,833 --> 00:19:58,333 that we have a various amount of different fasteners, 499 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,033 we can actually use extruded aluminum, 500 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:03,533 and we went with a profile of a "U" channel 501 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,000 because you can actually put something inside that 502 00:20:06,066 --> 00:20:08,000 and use that as a primary container. 503 00:20:08,066 --> 00:20:09,466 Tom: Perfect. Kevin: We applied some 504 00:20:09,533 --> 00:20:12,733 magnetic tape to the back, which is pretty easy to get. 505 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,933 And so that'll actually just stick anywhere 506 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,433 at the bottom of this drawer, 507 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:20,233 and we can build containers any which way we want. 508 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:21,433 Tom: Any way you want. 509 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:23,133 Kevin: Oh, so this becomes a spot, 510 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,600 but also the cavity between becomes a spot. 511 00:20:25,666 --> 00:20:27,100 Tom: Right. Zack: Exactly. 512 00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:28,733 Tom: We can take this out to make it bigger or smaller, 513 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:29,966 whatever we need. 514 00:20:30,033 --> 00:20:32,500 Zack: Yeah, so we'll try and take our best guess 515 00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:34,100 at what's going to work for you guys. 516 00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:36,200 But the nice thing is, because it's magnetic, 517 00:20:36,266 --> 00:20:38,600 you can completely move things around 518 00:20:38,666 --> 00:20:41,400 without having to throw it out or clean anything up. 519 00:20:41,466 --> 00:20:42,833 Tom: I like it. Kevin: Really good. Okay. 520 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:44,300 So how do we tackle that? 521 00:20:44,366 --> 00:20:46,633 Zack: So, you can cut these right on the miter saw. 522 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:50,266 So if you want to cut maybe two more to 9 3/8". 523 00:20:50,333 --> 00:20:51,633 Tom: Okay. What I need to do, though, 524 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:55,000 is I need to stick some of this magnetic tape 525 00:20:55,066 --> 00:20:56,766 on the piece first so when I cut it, 526 00:20:56,833 --> 00:20:59,600 I'll cut the magnetic tape at the same time. 527 00:21:01,066 --> 00:21:02,633 Kevin: All going on this front part? 528 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:05,466 Zack: I think minus-2 potentially. 529 00:21:05,533 --> 00:21:08,500 [ Saw buzzing ] 530 00:21:08,566 --> 00:21:11,233 Why don't we drop the bits in? 531 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:15,366 So, I would say we start with -- Phillips is the most common. 532 00:21:15,433 --> 00:21:18,400 ♪♪ 533 00:21:18,466 --> 00:21:21,600 Kevin: Does this just calm your little organizational heart 534 00:21:21,666 --> 00:21:23,966 here, getting everything right? 535 00:21:24,033 --> 00:21:25,700 Zack: Yes. [ Chuckles ] 536 00:21:25,766 --> 00:21:27,666 Yes, it does. Kevin: Right? 537 00:21:27,733 --> 00:21:29,966 Zack: I'm quite satisfied right now. 538 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,900 Tom: Alright. That looks beautiful. What a difference. 539 00:21:33,966 --> 00:21:35,200 Kevin: Yeah, it makes a huge difference. 540 00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:36,833 Nice to have those finally organized. 541 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:39,833 And I got to admit, Zack. It's oddly satisfying. 542 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:41,466 Why did I enjoy that so much? 543 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:42,633 Tom: I kind of enjoyed it, too. 544 00:21:42,700 --> 00:21:44,566 It was fun. Kevin: What is that? 545 00:21:44,633 --> 00:21:46,800 Zack: I don't know. I think that's how you know it's a successful project. 546 00:21:46,866 --> 00:21:50,666 Like, if you're relying on will power and discipline 547 00:21:50,733 --> 00:21:53,266 to put things in the right spot, that's not gonna happen. 548 00:21:53,333 --> 00:21:56,700 But if it's fun and satisfying, things are gonna fall back 549 00:21:56,766 --> 00:21:58,300 to where you wanted them to be in the first place. 550 00:21:58,366 --> 00:21:59,933 Kevin: Alright. Tom: Yeah, I think it made 551 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,800 a big difference, and I know we have more to do, so... 552 00:22:02,866 --> 00:22:04,500 We got to get into the organizing thing. 553 00:22:04,566 --> 00:22:05,666 You're gonna have to come back. 554 00:22:05,733 --> 00:22:06,800 Zack: Alright. I'll come back again. 555 00:22:06,866 --> 00:22:08,033 Kevin: Come back and join us. 556 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:09,500 We appreciate you coming this time, 557 00:22:09,566 --> 00:22:11,500 and we really look forward to finishing up that project 558 00:22:11,566 --> 00:22:13,000 in Glen Ridge with you. Tom: Yeah. Absolutely. 559 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:14,633 Zack: Yeah. It's gonna be fun. Kevin: So until next time, 560 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,300 I'm Kevin O'Connor... Tom: I'm Tom Silva. 561 00:22:16,366 --> 00:22:17,500 Zack: And I'm Zack Dettmore. 562 00:22:17,566 --> 00:22:19,066 Kevin: For "Ask This Old House." 563 00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:21,800 Tom: Alright. So we got like six more drawers to do. 564 00:22:21,866 --> 00:22:23,333 Then we gotta deal with this mess here. 565 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,666 Zack: Oh. This is gonna be a doozy. 566 00:22:25,733 --> 00:22:32,566 ♪♪ 567 00:22:32,633 --> 00:22:40,400 ♪♪ 568 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,766 Kevin: Next time on "Ask This Old House"... 569 00:22:43,833 --> 00:22:45,666 everything is rosy in Portland 570 00:22:45,733 --> 00:22:48,133 as Jenn visits the Rose Test Garden 571 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,100 to find the perfect flower variety for a homeowner. 572 00:22:51,166 --> 00:22:52,600 Jenn: When this all fills together, 573 00:22:52,666 --> 00:22:56,000 this is gonna be a wall of color. 574 00:22:56,066 --> 00:22:57,800 Kevin: Then Nathan helps a homeowner 575 00:22:57,866 --> 00:23:00,933 repair some bathroom tiles. 576 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,466 And we have a little fun with the cast 577 00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:06,600 as we see how well we know our fans. 578 00:23:06,666 --> 00:23:09,333 All that on "Ask This Old House."