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Today, Jenn returns
to her roots in Florida

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to help a homeowner plant
fruit trees.

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Jenn: Lime over there.
Russ: That sounds awesome.

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Then Nathan shares a tool that's
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We can even go a step further.

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Look at the lighting
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Kevin: So what is the lighting?
What's the light source there?

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Coming up next
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Jenn: So, I grew up in
Winter Haven, Florida.

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It's in Polk County.
It's central Florida.

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And it was amazing.

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My neighborhood growing up,
I was five when we moved there.

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Orange trees -- The entire
backyard was orange trees.

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It was just a grove and it
just went on forever and ever.

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And I wasn't old enough
to ever reach the other side

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because I would've gotten
in trouble.

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But, you know, I thought
it was the end of the Earth

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on the other side.

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So, in our backyard,
we had four grapefruit trees.

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They're pretty tall,
so we needed a long pole.

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My dad and I, we'd go out there
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long pole, bag at the end.

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You extend it almost like
when you're cleaning

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or skimming a pool,
and then you just put the bag

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up right next to the grapefruit
and just ch-ch-ch.

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And then it falls into
the bag and there you have it,

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your grapefruit, but that's
how we would pick them.

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Either cut them in half
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and eat them or make grapefruit
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So good.
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Polk County and Winter Haven
was a huge citrus area.

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I mean, that's where we used to
hang out, in the orange groves.

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Yeah. There was no
organized playgrounds back then.

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Right? So go climb the trees,
pick the fruit.

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It was just a fun place
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And then I'd ride around
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But I had to have my little
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on the front and try to sell
them on occasion.

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So it was just fun.

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I wouldn't have thought about it
back then, but now smell, taste,

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it always evokes the senses, you
know, from peeling an orange.

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And you know how it sprays
when you open it.

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Just that spray, just the scent
just gives me a little glimpse,

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little memory flashes
in my head just being a kid.

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So it's
a pretty positive memory.

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So, Russ,
thanks for contacting us.

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Why don't you show me
around back here?

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Russ: So, this is it.

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This is our house,
and I've raised my kids here.

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We've been here 12-plus years,
and plant by plant,

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we started to kind of rebuild.

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Jenn: I mean,
did you do all this by yourself?

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Just popped them in
along the way?

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Russ: We did.
This is where we started.

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Jenn: So fun.
Russ: We're kind of right in

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the middle of Aventura,
which is a busy area,

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but we started planting
for privacy

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to try to give it
a tropical feel

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and really just to create our
own little oasis in the city.

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Jenn: I mean, I think you've
achieved the tropical feel.

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It's so beautiful and lush.

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I would never know
that there's a road right there

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on the other side.
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Jenn: It's gorgeous.
Russ: Thank you.

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But, you know, we're
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Miami is tropical.
Jenn: Right.

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Russ:
And Miami is hurricane country.

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Jenn: Yep. Hurricanes are
prevalent down here.

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Russ: Yeah.
And we've been hit by a couple.

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We were lucky. Our house
structure was pretty good.

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Jenn: I would say.
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neighbors weren't that lucky.

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But the plants and the greenery
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And so we've been, little by
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But we've had an area that
we need to call in the cavalry.

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It just hasn't come back
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It's the waterfront.

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And we're hoping
you guys can come to the rescue

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and help us fix it.
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Let's go take a look at it.

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Russ: Alrighty, Jenn,
so let me show you the area

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that needs a little love
and care.

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A little -- A little help.
Jenn: Nice tiki hut.

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Russ: Thank you.
We're Florida natives,

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and you can't do Florida without
a Jimmy Buffett-style tiki.

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Jenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely.

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Russ: So we've got our tiki hut,
our garden.

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And this is the area that
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and bring some attention to.

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We love to grow fruits.

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We grow avocados,
mangoes, lemons, bananas.

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But after the storms,
they took a dive.

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We all love to cook.
We cook our own food.

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I mean, if the zombie
apocalypse comes, we're ready

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with all the fruit trees.
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you get to grow all those
in this climate.

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Russ: We love it and want to
find a way to resurrect it.

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So we're hoping
you've got a plan,

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something to save them.

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Jenn: Alright,
so just looking at it,

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I think we just need to clean
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you know, maybe amend the areas
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where everything goes

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and add a few
of your favorite fruit trees.

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But I am not a fruit-tree
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so a friend of mine
who's local to the area,

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he's going to show us
our options.

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Russ: Awesome. Help us.
Jenn: Alright.

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It's going to be good.

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Alright, Russ, this is my friend
Dustin I was telling you about.

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Dustin: How you doing, brother?
Russ: Dustin, good to meet you,
man.

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Dustin: Yeah. Thank you for
having me.

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Jenn: He's a fruit-tree
specialist.

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Russ: Coming to the rescue.

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Dustin: Awesome.
Jenn: Let's look at the space.

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Dustin: Okay, take a look.
Jenn: I mean, it's kind of tight

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but give me your assessment
of what you think.

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Dustin:
Well, taking a look here, I like
the idea of putting fruit trees.

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We love fruit trees.

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I'm looking at
the whole scenario here.

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We've got these coconut
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We've got to be cognizant
of the coconuts falling.

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They'll destroy
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or an established fruit tree.

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Nothing's going to withstand
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So that's something you're going
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trim back the coconuts
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I've also seen this ficus hedge

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that's beginning
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We're going to want to keep
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Jenn: Would you be up for
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Moving the bananas around?
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that's going to fix this garden.

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Dustin: Yeah, definitely.

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I think that's something
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and probably move these bananas
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and maybe add some
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of bananas and plantains in here

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that might even be more suitable
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Jenn:
Alright. So what kind of soil
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Like, what are the feet
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Dustin:
So the bananas are definitely
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They're gonna like
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They're very tropical.

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They're going to look
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whole tropical scene that
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their organic soil,

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but they also want to dry out
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You don't want to let
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And most fruit trees in general
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They want to get water,
but they want to dry out.

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and see what kind of conditions
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Russ:
Awesome. Let's start digging.

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Dustin: Alright.
Let's take a look.

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See some good material.

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Looks like it's going to be
a fast-draining soil

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that's got some good sanding
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which is actually really good
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This is what we were
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It looks like it holds together
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Jenn:
Alright. The soil looks good.
So what are the next steps here?

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Dustin:
I think the next steps are
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that I think will work
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Jenn: Good idea. Alright.

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So these are the fruit trees
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These are the bananas.

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And then this one's a key lime.

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Dustin:
Yeah. This is the key lime.

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This is a Florida favorite.

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I mean, you can't beat
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Jenn: Look at -- All of these
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All these prolific blooms

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that's going to continuously
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Can we talk about citrus
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and greening for a second?

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Like, how is that situation
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Dustin: Yeah. Well,
the situation is slightly

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bleak in Florida right now.
Jenn: Yeah.

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Dustin: You said you may
have had something here before?

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Russ: Yeah.
We tried to grow oranges

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and they wound up kind of
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Dustin: Yeah. You could have had
a little bit of HLB, that citrus

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greening which
the sweet oranges,

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they are definitely
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to the citrus greening.

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And that's something
we need to be careful about.

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Jenn: What's the HLB stand for?

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Dustin: Huanglongbing. It's a
disease that really affects it.

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The fruit stays green
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and then eventually
just falls off the tree.

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Russ: And this one will
hold up better?

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Dustin: These are definitely
more resistant.

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And I'm going to tell you you
got another advantage going here

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is you're right next
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and you've got that ocean
breeze keeping those pests

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and blowing them out.

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And I've had a lot
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going with the key limes
right next to the water.

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But I mean, come on, look,
you got the boat,

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you got the tiki hut.

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How are you not going to have
a key lime?

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Jenn: Pull up to the --

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The Jimmy Buffett tiki hut will
be ready for you.

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Dustin: And then right here,
right behind you,

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Russ, I've got this guy here.

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This is the kari star fruit.
I love these star fruit.

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This is a dwarf variety
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or some people know it
as the carambola.

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Carambola do wonderful
in the filtered light.

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They like protection
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And you've kind of got
the scenario going here.

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So this thing is going to give
you fruit multiple times a year.

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It's a kid's favorite.
It fruits right away.

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These are grafted.
The fruit's super sweet.

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Jenn: Beautiful flowers.

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Dustin:
Yeah, beautiful pink flowers,

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brings the bees in.

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It's just super tropical.
I use them a lot.

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theme tropical fruit forests,

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they just really go well,
you know?

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Jenn: This is going to be
a kid pleaser for sure.

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Russ: My kids will love it.

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Dustin:
Yeah, they're gonna love it.

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And then lastly here
I've got this Meyer lemon,

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which is my personal favorite
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It's a dwarf Meyer lemon.

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This one here, we're actually
going to put in a container.

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They tend to do a little
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and that'll keep some
of those nematode away

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if there's any here --
may or may not be.

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But let me tell you, the quality
of lemon on this is --

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Russ: It's a sweeter lemon,
right?

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Dustin:
It's a little bit sweeter.

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Tell you what.
Jenn: Look at those beauties.

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Dustin: Yeah. They're excellent
on fish.

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It's excellent
in your sweet tea.

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And it makes a killer lemonade.
You can't beat it.

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Jenn:
And by having it in the pot,

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you're going to be able to move
it from room to room,

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whatever space you want
for an evening.

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Dustin: When that fills up
with the golden lemons,

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oh, man, it's so great.
You just love it.

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Jenn: You just have to be
on watering duty.

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Dustin: Yeah.

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Jenn: Or put drip irrigation in
it, right?

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Russ: Yeah. That's what
15-year-old sons are for.

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Dustin: Yeah. Just be cognizant
when you go out of town

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one day without water,

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you know, you could --
you could ruin the tree.

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So it's definitely going to
need to be watered daily.

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Russ:
Fantastic, I love it, so cool.

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Jenn: So why don't we start
with cleaning up the beds first,

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transplanting
the existing bananas

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and finding new homes
for these guys?

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Dustin: Let's do it.
Jenn: Alright.

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Dustin: Yeah, I like it.
Russ: Thank you.

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Jenn: Alright.
So we're going to prep it.

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We're going to clear the area.
Give us our tasks.

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Dustin: Alright. Cool.
So, there's some bananas

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we're going to save,
some bananas

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we're going to get rid of.

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Most bananas we're going to get
rid of.

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We don't need a lot of bananas.

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We can start a banana farm
with one banana tree.

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So this is one. Russ,
I'll get you started on this.

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Just clear that rock away

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and then we'll get
that root out.

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You can get started
over there on that other one

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we're going to save.
Jenn: This guy? Yep.

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Dustin:
Yeah. We'll save this one
and we'll save that last one.

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And the rest,
they can just about go.

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Jenn: Okay.
Dustin: Alright?

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So let's get going.

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There you go. Just pop that one
out. There you go.

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You got a nice bare root
right there.

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That'll be a good candidate
to save.

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Jenn: Alright.
Dustin: Let's put this one
in the save pile.

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Jenn: Save pile.

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Dustin:
This is already past its prime,

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so I'm going to knock
this one out

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a little easier with the pick.

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Now, if we don't get
this root out, it'll regrow.

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Jenn: Because they're all
rhizomes, right?

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Dustin: Yeah. This will
definitely grow a banana tree.

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Jenn: Mm.

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Just pruning up all the overhang
to let more sunlight in.

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So we're going to place
the plants.

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Don't want it to fall.

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Russ: Now.
Jenn: Perfect.

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So this is one of the key limes.

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I think bananas are going here.
Dustin: I like it.

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Russ: Yes.
Jenn: And then lime over there.

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Russ: That sounds awesome.

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Jenn: So the banana family.

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Two and two.

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You got it.

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Russ: I love it, I love it.

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Very cool.
Jenn: Alright.

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So any tips
for the Florida planting?

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Dustin: What I would do in
this bed in this situation,

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we want to save the rock.

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So we'll put the tree
to the side

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and we'll shave that rock.

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And then you can put
that dirt into the container.

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And the good thing about that is

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when that container
is filled up,

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you know you're ready
to plant that tree.

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Jenn: I'd say that's pretty
on the money.

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Dustin: Yeah.

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Alright. Let me give you
a little top-coat dressing.

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Jenn: Okay.

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Dustin: I'm just going to give
you some tips

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on maybe keeping them
a little nicer.

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This banana tree tends to grow,
like, a little messier.

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Do you see
the yellowing leaf?

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We call it like -- This
prevents all this.

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And it's already at a point
where it's a little late.

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It's hard to trim,
but if you get it before,

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you can do what's
kind of called a...

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A honeycombing.

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If you do this from now
on to all your trees,

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it's going to keep it
much cleaner.

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Jenn: Alright, Dustin,
so we have one tree left.

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Meyer lemon. Up north,

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the only option we have
is to put it in a pot

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and move it around the deck,
and it's great.

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But down south, do people
do that here?

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Dustin: You know, a lot of
people,

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they go for the Mediterranean
look.

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They'll do figs, olives,
and Meyer lemons in pots

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along the patios and pools.
Jenn: Yeah.

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Dustin: Let me tell you, I've
done several projects like that.

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It's really beautiful.

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The Meyer lemons are super
prolific inside containers.

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They do wonderful.

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The main thing is,
is good watering,

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good fertilizer, and potting it
up with a good quality soil.

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Basically, we're
only going to need like

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an inch or two of soil.
Jenn: Yep.

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Dustin: Because we don't want
it too high

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because when we water,
then you're going to

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be exposing the root system,
and that's not going to be good.

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And we don't want it too low
because

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it just won't look right.

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So what we'll do is
we'll just add like

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let's say a few inches of dirt,
we'll do a little test,

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we'll see how it sits.

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If it looks good, we'll throw a
little bit of the granular

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on the bottom,
a couple handfuls,

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and then we'll backfill it.

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When there's about an inch left,

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we'll throw another handful
on the top

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for those upper root system
and then we'll backfill that.

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And I like to pack it
in there nice and tight.

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Jenn: No air pockets.
Dustin: Yeah.

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You want that tree in there
really well.

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Jenn: No slumping.

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It's beautiful. Alright.

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Maybe we should place it
by the tiki bar

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and see if Russ likes it.
Dustin: I think so.

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Russ: Wow. Loving the lemon
tree, guys.

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Thank you. Looks amazing.
Jenn: Awesome.

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Russ: Beers for everybody.

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Dustin: Thank you, thank you.
Russ: You're welcome.

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Jenn: Fantastic.

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Russ: We'll be doing this
with some of our limes.

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Jenn:
Absolutely. That's a great call.

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But until then, you
have to do your homework, right?

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Watering is
the most important now.

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So every day
for the first two weeks.

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And then taper it down
till you're doing

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once a week by week six.
Dustin: Other than that,

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in order to keep them
looking good like they do,

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you need to keep
a little neem oil on them.

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That's the organic way.
In particular,

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pay close attention to when your
trees are growing new growth

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because that's what
those little pesky critters

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are going to want to attack.

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Russ: And it's safe for
our dogs?

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Dustin: Totally safe.
Russ: Beautiful.

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I can't wait to start
enjoying this amazing garden.

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It's back.
Dustin: Well, thank you.

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Jenn: I mean,
it's a big transformation.

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Not a lot of work.

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And I say cheers to that.
Russ: Cheers.

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Jenn: Thank you for having us
in Miami.

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Russ: Thank you.

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Kevin: Hey, Nathan.
Nathan: Hey, Kevin.
How's it going?

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Kevin: Alright.
What'd you bring us?

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Nathan: What do you think it is?

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Kevin: You know, I've seen it.
Nathan: Yeah.

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Kevin: Only because I've been
to the trade shows.

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Is this supposed
to help us stand on roofs?

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Nathan: It's a roofing tool.

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Kevin: I'm supposed to stand
on that thing?

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Nathan: Jump on.
No, don't jump on.

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Just step up onto it.
Kevin: Ooh.

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Nathan: It sticks.
Kevin: It does.

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Nathan: It's a great tool.
Kevin: That's solid.

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Nathan:
It's just that foam wedge
that creates a level surface

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for you to work on.
Kevin: Right.

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Nathan:
Really, really handy to have.

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Kevin: So am I looking at it
sort of --

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Is it two different pitches
there?

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Nathan: Two different pitches.

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So you have a 12-pitch
and a 9-pitch.

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So your side's a 9-pitch

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and then I have a 12-pitch
on this side.

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Kevin: 12 being steeper
than the 9.

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Nathan: Correct. Yeah.
So I have a 12 over here.

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Just hop right on.

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Kevin:
I've got mine set to the 9.

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Hop right on. Look at that.

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And I felt it sort of soft
beneath my feet.

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So a little padding
if you wanted to kneel on it.

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Nathan: A little padding.
You can kneel on it, sit on it.

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It's really just -
It's been great for me

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working, putting tools.

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You know, if you're working
on a roof next to a skylight,

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next to a dormer, you know,
doing some side walling,

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it's a really good tool to have.

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Kevin: And you never have
a flat surface for your tools,

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whether it's your bar, your gun,
your hammer, or whatever.

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So you can use this to...
Nathan: That's the biggest
thing.

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You're not putting anything
down on these pitches, right?

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Kevin: That's great.
Nathan: So now you have
that level surface.

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The only thing I wish I did
when I first bought it was

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I bought two because two things.

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One is put your tools
on something

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while you're working
on the other one,

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or if you want to move
around a little bit,

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you've got your fall
protection on, so you're safe.

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Kevin: So you always use this
with fall protection.

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Nathan: Always, always using
fall protection.

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Get that set up first.

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Once you have that going,
you can move around the roof.

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You can work in tight spots.

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You can really just put
your tools down,

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sit if you need to sit,
take a break.

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It's a good tool.
Kevin: I could totally see that,

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you know,
because if you're on a 12-pitch

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and you're on that thing,
you feel good.

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Nathan: Yeah.
Kevin: You don't want to
step off of something level.

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Nathan: No.
Kevin: So you want to go from
one to the other.

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Nathan: One to the other.
Yeah. No.

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Kevin: So you go from one
to the next.

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Nathan: No, you can't.
You really can't even

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stay up there long, you know.

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You're not putting anything
down.

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Kevin: What about cost,
if I'm going to, you know,

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double down and get two?
Nathan: Two sizes, 32 and a 24,

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00:17:28,966 --> 00:17:31,400
a little over $100,
about $100 and a half.

471
00:17:31,466 --> 00:17:32,666
Kevin:
Oh, that's not bad at all.

472
00:17:32,733 --> 00:17:34,400
Nathan: Yeah.
Kevin: And you use it a lot?

473
00:17:34,466 --> 00:17:35,533
Nathan: I use it all the time.
Yeah.

474
00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:36,633
Any time I'm getting
near a roof,

475
00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:37,633
I always throw it in the truck.

476
00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,000
Kevin: Kind of ingenious.

477
00:17:39,066 --> 00:17:40,066
So it's just a foam pad
on the bottom,

478
00:17:40,133 --> 00:17:42,033
which is really grabbing
that roof.

479
00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:43,233
But it's doing that

480
00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:44,833
because it's on asphalt.
Nathan: Instantly.

481
00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:46,733
Kevin: So we're not going to
use it on another roof?

482
00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,433
Nathan: No, we're not going to
use this on metal roofs.

483
00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:50,233
We're not going to use it
on clay

484
00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:52,133
or a tile roof.
Strictly for asphalt, shingles,

485
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,633
like an architectural
or a three tab.

486
00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:55,400
Kevin:
Yeah, I like it. That's cool.

487
00:17:55,466 --> 00:17:56,800
Well, I'm glad you brought it in
and showed us.

488
00:17:56,866 --> 00:17:59,200
Nathan: I'm glad you like it.
Kevin: Thank you.

489
00:17:59,266 --> 00:18:00,966
I'll just be taking a break up
on the roof.

490
00:18:01,033 --> 00:18:01,866
Nathan: That's what I do.

491
00:18:01,933 --> 00:18:06,233
♪♪

492
00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:08,166
Kevin: Hey Ross.
Ross: Hey, Kev, what's going on?

493
00:18:08,233 --> 00:18:10,166
Kevin: So looks like we're
talking lighting.

494
00:18:10,233 --> 00:18:11,166
And if we're talking about it
with you,

495
00:18:11,233 --> 00:18:12,400
it must be "smaht" lighting.

496
00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,066
Ross: We got "smaht" lighting
for sure.

497
00:18:14,133 --> 00:18:16,333
Alright, let's start with
the traditional light switch.

498
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,700
Right. Everybody has these,
right?

499
00:18:17,766 --> 00:18:19,266
Kevin: Traditional meaning

500
00:18:19,333 --> 00:18:20,566
there's no smarts in this
at all?

501
00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:21,866
Just on, off?
Ross: On, off.

502
00:18:21,933 --> 00:18:23,500
Kevin: Dim, whatever.
Ross: You got it.

503
00:18:23,566 --> 00:18:26,300
So, we can upgrade those
to smart light switches,

504
00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:28,100
which are obviously
a little bit bulkier.

505
00:18:28,166 --> 00:18:31,600
Right? And it can be retrofitted
into the same receptacle box.

506
00:18:31,666 --> 00:18:33,300
Kevin: And this has got
the brains in there.

507
00:18:33,366 --> 00:18:34,700
Ross: That's right.
It's got the Wi-Fi chip.

508
00:18:34,766 --> 00:18:36,333
It's got all the brains in it.

509
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,333
And that's what's making
it smart.

510
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,600
Kevin: Okay.
Ross: Alright?

511
00:18:38,666 --> 00:18:41,100
Kevin: Yeah.
Ross: So we can also use

512
00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:43,766
the existing light switch
and add a smart relay.

513
00:18:43,833 --> 00:18:46,200
And the relay can work
behind the scenes

514
00:18:46,266 --> 00:18:47,966
to give it the smarts
but still give you

515
00:18:48,033 --> 00:18:49,633
the appearance
of a traditional light switch.

516
00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:50,933
Kevin: Wire the green thing
to this,

517
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,433
they both go in the box?
Ross: Exactly.

518
00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:54,033
Gives you the same form
and function

519
00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:55,766
that you would have
with the regular light switch.

520
00:18:55,833 --> 00:18:57,900
Kevin: So why would I choose one
over the other?

521
00:18:57,966 --> 00:18:59,766
Smart switch over relay
or vice versa?

522
00:18:59,833 --> 00:19:01,866
Ross: Yeah, so it depends.
I mean first off,

523
00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:04,200
if you have multiple lights and
you only want to upgrade one,

524
00:19:04,266 --> 00:19:05,500
you're going to have
a different appearance.

525
00:19:05,566 --> 00:19:06,466
So you're going to have --
you know, they're

526
00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:07,733
not going to look the same.

527
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,933
Kevin: That's going to drive
someone crazy

528
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,133
to be looking at a different
switch.

529
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,400
Ross: Somebody.
Somebody, I'm sure. Yeah.

530
00:19:11,466 --> 00:19:13,300
But you could
also leave those light switches

531
00:19:13,366 --> 00:19:16,533
and upgrade it here and you just
do one, two, or all three

532
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,766
and make one or all three
smart in that traditional sense.

533
00:19:19,833 --> 00:19:21,600
Kevin: Right.
And do we have --

534
00:19:21,666 --> 00:19:24,333
in terms of sort of brands
and platforms

535
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,133
and stuff, are we wedded
to one versus the other or...?

536
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,700
Ross: Yeah. So depending on what
smart light switch you go with,

537
00:19:29,766 --> 00:19:33,966
you might be in a one
narrow lane for compatibility

538
00:19:34,033 --> 00:19:35,700
with different
smart home platforms.

539
00:19:35,766 --> 00:19:37,200
Kevin:
Switch only works with one
company's version or whatever.

540
00:19:37,266 --> 00:19:38,433
Ross: That's right.
Kevin: But you're saying

541
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,933
that works with multiples?
Ross: Multiple.

542
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,966
Exactly. Yeah. So you get
different and more options

543
00:19:42,033 --> 00:19:43,433
and more kind of future proofing

544
00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:45,300
if you use a relay versus
a traditional light switch.

545
00:19:45,366 --> 00:19:48,000
Kevin: Very nice. Alright.
So smart switch, smart relay.

546
00:19:48,066 --> 00:19:50,500
Ross: So you can also go with
a smart bulb, right?

547
00:19:50,566 --> 00:19:52,466
So we have the, you know,
kind of the smarts now

548
00:19:52,533 --> 00:19:54,000
and the Wi-Fi chip are in here.

549
00:19:54,066 --> 00:19:56,166
And that gives us the the smarts
that we're talking about.

550
00:19:56,233 --> 00:19:57,766
Okay?
Kevin: Alright.

551
00:19:57,833 --> 00:20:00,033
Ross: So let's go with
the next option.

552
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:02,266
When you install these,
what can you do next?

553
00:20:02,333 --> 00:20:04,300
You can actually set schedules.
Kevin: Right.

554
00:20:04,366 --> 00:20:07,800
Ross: So I can go into the app
for this device here.

555
00:20:07,866 --> 00:20:11,333
I added a smart light switch
for it and I can turn it on.

556
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,466
Kevin: So in this case, just
so I'm clear, it's not the bulb

557
00:20:13,533 --> 00:20:15,200
that's smart here --
regular bulb.

558
00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:17,166
This is just wired
to one of your smart switches.

559
00:20:17,233 --> 00:20:18,533
Ross: Yep. It's just a smart
switch like this

560
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,200
that's controlling
that through the app.

561
00:20:20,266 --> 00:20:21,833
Kevin: So you did on and off.
Ross: On and off.

562
00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:23,833
But I can also do schedules.
So I can set a schedule.

563
00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:26,700
I can say -- Let's say I want
the lights to go on at sunset.

564
00:20:26,766 --> 00:20:28,600
And let's say I want
them to go off at midnight.

565
00:20:28,666 --> 00:20:30,333
Kevin: Right, back door next
to the garage.

566
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,000
Ross: Give you access
when you pull up, you know,

567
00:20:32,066 --> 00:20:33,366
so you don't have to remember
to turn it on, turn it off.

568
00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:34,566
You come home to the light,

569
00:20:34,633 --> 00:20:36,066
you know,
being lit up in your house.

570
00:20:36,133 --> 00:20:38,133
So you can also go
a step further.

571
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,500
And with your indoor lights
you can get into,

572
00:20:40,566 --> 00:20:42,066
with the smart light bulbs,

573
00:20:42,133 --> 00:20:43,766
you can get into
different changes in dimming

574
00:20:43,833 --> 00:20:45,966
and you can get into
different colors.

575
00:20:46,033 --> 00:20:49,366
So for example, I can turn these
lights on regular mode, right?

576
00:20:49,433 --> 00:20:50,966
Just regular warm lighting.

577
00:20:51,033 --> 00:20:52,766
I can also go dining
or entertaining.

578
00:20:52,833 --> 00:20:55,400
Kevin: So setting scenes.
Ross: Setting scenes. Exactly.

579
00:20:55,466 --> 00:20:58,033
So now entertaining, I want
it to be a little bit dimmer.

580
00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:00,266
Then let's say I'm watching
a movie with the kids.

581
00:21:00,333 --> 00:21:02,133
We go to movie mode, right?

582
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,033
And then I can do night light,
going to bed.

583
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,200
And those can all be
automated, right, through voice

584
00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:08,266
or through the app itself.
Kevin: Very nice, right.

585
00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:10,233
Ross: We can also get into some
of the gimmicky stuff, right?

586
00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:12,000
So we can get into
meditation mode

587
00:21:12,066 --> 00:21:13,600
with different light colors,
right?

588
00:21:13,666 --> 00:21:15,166
So you can see the blues
and the greens.

589
00:21:15,233 --> 00:21:16,800
Kevin:
And that's because in this case,

590
00:21:16,866 --> 00:21:18,833
only because we've got
the smart bulb?

591
00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:20,866
We would never get colors out
of this bulb in a smart switch?

592
00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:22,833
Ross:
That's right, that's right.

593
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,666
Yeah. Smart switches makes
an existing light bulb smarter.

594
00:21:24,733 --> 00:21:25,766
But we don't get the ability

595
00:21:25,833 --> 00:21:27,333
to change the color
like we do here.

596
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,300
We can go party,
party vibes and change,

597
00:21:29,366 --> 00:21:31,466
you know, pinks, literally
any color that you want to set,

598
00:21:31,533 --> 00:21:33,066
you can do that
in any brightness.

599
00:21:33,133 --> 00:21:34,733
Kevin: Do you have like
the anti-party vibe?

600
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,366
So if the teenagers dim
it too low,

601
00:21:36,433 --> 00:21:37,900
they automatically go on and
flash like, "Dad's coming down"?

602
00:21:37,966 --> 00:21:39,100
Ross: We can make it flicker.

603
00:21:39,166 --> 00:21:40,200
That's right, that's right.

604
00:21:40,266 --> 00:21:41,500
We can get crazy with it.

605
00:21:41,566 --> 00:21:43,266
We can even go a step further.

606
00:21:43,333 --> 00:21:45,166
We can set up what's called
music mode.

607
00:21:45,233 --> 00:21:49,700
So if I am watching TV
and I turn on music mode, right?

608
00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:51,700
Watch this.

609
00:21:51,766 --> 00:21:54,400
So with music mode, look at
the lighting behind the TV.

610
00:21:54,466 --> 00:21:55,833
Kevin: So what is the lighting?

611
00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:57,000
What's the light source there?

612
00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:58,566
Ross:
So there's an LED light strip

613
00:21:58,633 --> 00:22:00,033
that I've added to the back
of the TV.

614
00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:02,600
Kevin: Oh!
Ross: And by having it be smart,

615
00:22:02,666 --> 00:22:04,866
I can have a microphone that
actually picks up the volume

616
00:22:04,933 --> 00:22:06,500
and changes the intensity
of the light

617
00:22:06,566 --> 00:22:07,933
based on what's being displayed.

618
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,966
Kevin:
So if you're watching a movie

619
00:22:10,033 --> 00:22:11,400
and you've got the the battle
scenes or whatever, loud,

620
00:22:11,466 --> 00:22:13,733
you get bright lights.
Ross: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

621
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,366
Kevin: That would drive me nuts.

622
00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:17,033
Can you set it
to just one color

623
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,200
and have it just be a nice
back low?

624
00:22:18,266 --> 00:22:19,766
Ross: That's right.

625
00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:21,233
You could do just white,
warm white.

626
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:22,966
You can adjust the,
you know, get it dim, you know,

627
00:22:23,033 --> 00:22:25,300
so fully adjustable
on the back end.

628
00:22:25,366 --> 00:22:27,566
Kevin: I don't
generally want for lights.

629
00:22:27,633 --> 00:22:29,266
I think they're kind of more
of a mellow,

630
00:22:29,333 --> 00:22:30,733
you know, one thing.
Ross: I think so too.

631
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,266
Kevin: Good. Alright.
Well, I like it.

632
00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:33,466
Good information. That's where
we are with smart lighting.

633
00:22:33,533 --> 00:22:35,000
A lot of options.
Thank you, Ross.

634
00:22:35,066 --> 00:22:40,566
♪♪

635
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,800
Kevin: Next time on
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636
00:22:43,866 --> 00:22:45,766
Woman: This is our bulkhead.

637
00:22:45,833 --> 00:22:50,800
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638
00:22:50,866 --> 00:22:53,866
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639
00:22:53,933 --> 00:22:57,066
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640
00:22:57,133 --> 00:22:59,533
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641
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,066
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642
00:23:02,133 --> 00:23:05,166
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643
00:23:05,233 --> 00:23:07,100
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644
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