1 00:00:15,260 --> 00:00:18,500 (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 2 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:18,700 (GUITAR STRUMS) (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 3 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:21,940 (GUITAR STRUMS) 4 00:00:24,940 --> 00:00:26,900 Hey. Thanks for coming in. Nice to meet you. 5 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:29,420 Yeah. Nice to meet you too. Come on through. 6 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:31,100 In all my years of interviewing, 7 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:35,100 I've never had so many colleagues wanting to come along to a recording 8 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:35,340 I've never had so many colleagues as this one, with musician Nick Cave. 9 00:00:35,340 --> 00:00:38,100 as this one, with musician Nick Cave. 10 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:39,700 Is that you? That's me. That's you. 11 00:00:39,700 --> 00:00:42,740 Is that your questions? It is, but I don't always use them. 12 00:00:42,740 --> 00:00:42,980 Is that your questions? So... It's my security. 13 00:00:42,980 --> 00:00:44,580 So... It's my security. 14 00:00:44,580 --> 00:00:45,940 If you start looking at them, 15 00:00:45,940 --> 00:00:48,140 it means it's going terribly, horribly wrong. 16 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:52,860 He grew up in Wangaratta, and after a wild youth, 17 00:00:52,860 --> 00:00:56,500 left Australia for the UK 45 years ago. 18 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:56,740 # And the mercy seat is waiting... # left Australia for the UK 45 years ago. 19 00:00:56,740 --> 00:00:59,260 # And the mercy seat is waiting... # 20 00:00:59,260 --> 00:01:00,940 God, there's so many cameras. 21 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:01,140 God, there's so many cameras. There's so many cameras. (LAUGHS) 22 00:01:01,140 --> 00:01:02,500 There's so many cameras. (LAUGHS) 23 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:03,780 We'll wait for your coffee. 24 00:01:03,780 --> 00:01:06,540 Oh, yeah. You'd be on hair patrol. 25 00:01:07,420 --> 00:01:11,740 Life always revolved around music with his band, The Bad Seeds, 26 00:01:11,740 --> 00:01:15,780 but more recently, after the loss of two of his four sons, 27 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:16,020 but more recently, after the loss he's found new meaning. 28 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:17,740 he's found new meaning. 29 00:01:17,740 --> 00:01:22,500 # And I'm not afraid to die... # 30 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:22,740 For most of my life, I was just sort of, um... # And I'm not afraid to die... # 31 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:28,020 For most of my life, I was just sort of, um... 32 00:01:28,020 --> 00:01:28,260 For most of my life, I was just sort of, um... ..in awe of my own genius. 33 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:31,140 ..in awe of my own genius. 34 00:01:31,140 --> 00:01:31,380 You know? ..in awe of my own genius. 35 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:33,620 You know? And I...and I had an office, 36 00:01:33,620 --> 00:01:36,060 and I would sit there and write every day 37 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:36,340 and...and whatever...whatever else happened in my life and I would sit there and write every day 38 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:40,020 and...and whatever...whatever else happened in my life 39 00:01:40,020 --> 00:01:40,260 and...and whatever...whatever else happened in my life was...was peripheral... 40 00:01:40,260 --> 00:01:41,980 was...was peripheral... 41 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:44,940 ..even annoyances, 42 00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:49,260 because I was involved in the... in this great work 43 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:49,500 because I was involved in the... that I was that, you know... 44 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:51,420 that I was that, you know... 45 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:55,020 And... And this just collapsed completely. 46 00:01:55,020 --> 00:01:57,860 And I just sort of saw the folly of that. 47 00:01:57,860 --> 00:01:58,100 The kind of in... And I just sort of saw the folly of that. 48 00:01:58,100 --> 00:01:59,700 The kind of in... 49 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:06,260 The disgraceful sort of self-indulgence of the whole thing. 50 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:06,500 The disgraceful sort of self-indulgence of the whole thing. It just... My, just... 51 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:08,340 It just... My, just... 52 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:11,140 Just my priorities changed. 53 00:02:11,140 --> 00:02:13,820 You know, I still work all the time. 54 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:16,500 Um, I still go on tour. 55 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:20,820 You know, I still piss everyone off because I'm making a new record, 56 00:02:20,820 --> 00:02:23,820 or I'm depressed because I can't write songs. 57 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:29,740 The same things still apply, but that, um...that... 58 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:36,020 ..idea that art sort of trounces everything... 59 00:02:36,020 --> 00:02:36,260 ..idea that art sort of It just doesn't apply to me anymore. 60 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:38,300 It just doesn't apply to me anymore. 61 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,980 I'm a father, and I'm a husband, 62 00:02:40,980 --> 00:02:41,220 and a...and a kind of person of the world. I'm a father, and I'm a husband, 63 00:02:41,220 --> 00:02:43,660 and a...and a kind of person of the world. 64 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:43,940 and a...and a kind of person of the world. These things are much more important to me 65 00:02:43,940 --> 00:02:46,380 These things are much more important to me 66 00:02:46,380 --> 00:02:49,460 than the concept of being an artist, let's say. 67 00:02:49,460 --> 00:02:49,700 than the concept of being an artist, ('RED RIGHT HAND' PLAYS) 68 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:52,220 ('RED RIGHT HAND' PLAYS) 69 00:02:58,580 --> 00:03:01,820 # Take a little walk to the edge of town 70 00:03:01,820 --> 00:03:02,060 # Take a little walk # And go across the tracks 71 00:03:02,060 --> 00:03:04,900 # And go across the tracks 72 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:11,860 # Where the viaduct looms like a bird of doom 73 00:03:11,860 --> 00:03:15,580 # As it shifts and cracks... # 74 00:03:15,580 --> 00:03:17,580 We found when we were looking at the archive 75 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:17,820 We found when we were looking an old clip of you when you were 28. 76 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:19,860 an old clip of you when you were 28. 77 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:22,380 What do you think you'll be doing when you're 56? 78 00:03:22,380 --> 00:03:22,660 Well, I can't really see myself doing tours of Australia... What do you think you'll be doing when you're 56? 79 00:03:22,660 --> 00:03:26,180 Well, I can't really see myself doing tours of Australia... 80 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:29,020 particularly, 81 00:03:29,020 --> 00:03:32,380 and I would hope that I wasn't involved in music by then. 82 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:32,620 and I would hope that I wasn't involved in music by then. # Hidden in his coat... 83 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:34,340 # Hidden in his coat... 84 00:03:34,340 --> 00:03:36,420 ALL: # Is a red right hand. # 85 00:03:36,420 --> 00:03:37,540 Oh! 86 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:42,220 I've always said to myself that I would bow out of it 87 00:03:42,220 --> 00:03:42,460 I've always said to myself once it became obvious to me 88 00:03:42,460 --> 00:03:43,980 once it became obvious to me 89 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:44,220 that I was making inferior music once it became obvious to me 90 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:48,500 that I was making inferior music to what I had made before. 91 00:03:49,540 --> 00:03:53,900 # Go, son, go down to the water... # 92 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:54,140 # Go, son, go down to the water... # How unexpected has it been to find yourself now, in your '60s, 93 00:03:54,140 --> 00:03:57,860 How unexpected has it been to find yourself now, in your '60s, 94 00:03:57,860 --> 00:04:01,300 still making music, being creative, doing new stuff? 95 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:04,060 It's difficult to say because I'm...I'm here. 96 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:04,300 It's difficult to say I'm sort of...I AM that age. 97 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:05,660 I'm sort of...I AM that age. 98 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:09,180 So I think my younger self would be impressed 99 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:09,420 So I think my younger self in that I just sort of hung around. 100 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:11,660 in that I just sort of hung around. 101 00:04:11,660 --> 00:04:14,940 # This is a weeping song 102 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:18,700 # A song in which to weep... # 103 00:04:18,700 --> 00:04:22,620 One of the things that's really striking about your career is that 104 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:24,620 you have continued to be really innovative. 105 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:27,380 A lot of people in creative life have a fruitful period 106 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:28,620 when they're young, 107 00:04:28,620 --> 00:04:31,420 whereas you've continued innovating, being creative, 108 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:33,020 and the fans have gone with you on that. 109 00:04:33,020 --> 00:04:35,460 It's not like they're sitting there fidgeting, 110 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:37,100 just waiting for you to play Red Right Hand. 111 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:37,340 just waiting for you to play No. 112 00:04:37,340 --> 00:04:38,500 No. 113 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:40,620 ('THE WEEPING SONG' CONTINUES) 114 00:04:40,620 --> 00:04:43,300 Yeah, it's been a slow, late developer. 115 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:43,540 Yeah, it's been a slow, (BOTH LAUGH) 116 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:44,780 (BOTH LAUGH) 117 00:04:44,780 --> 00:04:45,020 No, but I mean, I think (BOTH LAUGH) 118 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:47,580 No, but I mean, I think a relationship has developed 119 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:47,820 No, but I mean, I think between me and my fans 120 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:49,380 between me and my fans 121 00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:51,540 that's developed together. 122 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:54,660 Well, you'll know next time not to come up the front 123 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:54,900 Well, you'll know next time when we play, won't you? 124 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:56,580 when we play, won't you? 125 00:04:56,580 --> 00:04:56,820 The front row is not when we play, won't you? 126 00:04:56,820 --> 00:04:59,820 The front row is not for the fragile, my dear. 127 00:05:00,940 --> 00:05:02,820 It was initially, 40 years ago, 128 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:05,300 an adversarial relationship with my audience. 129 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:05,540 an adversarial relationship It was... 130 00:05:05,540 --> 00:05:06,900 It was... 131 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:07,140 You know, you went to sort of war with the crowd in some kind of way. It was... 132 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:11,180 You know, you went to sort of war with the crowd in some kind of way. 133 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:16,380 Over the years, it's just sort of developed 134 00:05:16,380 --> 00:05:19,340 into something that's... that's the opposite of that, 135 00:05:19,340 --> 00:05:26,060 and...and is really a sort of, uh, outpouring and incoming of love 136 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:29,220 between the audience and the people on stage. 137 00:05:29,220 --> 00:05:33,580 And that seems to...to really work sometimes, you know. 138 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:33,820 And that seems to...to really work (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 139 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:38,380 (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 140 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:41,860 I've just been talking, you know, reassessing 141 00:05:41,860 --> 00:05:44,140 with my team, my manager, and all of this sort of stuff. 142 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:44,380 with my team, my manager, "What exactly is Nick Cave?" 143 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:46,260 "What exactly is Nick Cave?" 144 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:47,740 We've been doing that recently, 145 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:50,020 because we have a new album coming out, 146 00:05:50,020 --> 00:05:50,260 because we have a new album a new Bad Seeds album. 147 00:05:50,260 --> 00:05:51,420 a new Bad Seeds album. 148 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:51,660 That's always been a new Bad Seeds album. 149 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:54,980 That's always been the primary flagship of everything. 150 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:59,580 But something like the Red Hand Files has just grown in importance. 151 00:05:59,580 --> 00:06:05,180 It's grown in importance to the way I am and the way that I live my life 152 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:08,980 and the way I communicate with my audience, and so forth. 153 00:06:08,980 --> 00:06:09,220 and the way I communicate And that's interesting. 154 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:10,500 And that's interesting. 155 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:10,740 It's interesting that the actual primary function And that's interesting. 156 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:15,060 It's interesting that the actual primary function 157 00:06:15,060 --> 00:06:18,340 of what I do artistically or creatively 158 00:06:18,340 --> 00:06:18,580 of what I do artistically shifts to...to some degree. 159 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:20,500 shifts to...to some degree. 160 00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:22,980 For people who don't know, the Red Hand Files is... 161 00:06:22,980 --> 00:06:25,220 It started as kind of like an "ask me anything", 162 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:28,180 where people would write to you and ask you questions 163 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:28,420 where people would write to you that you would answer. 164 00:06:28,420 --> 00:06:29,820 that you would answer. 165 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:35,660 There are thousands of questions here. Thousands and thousands. 166 00:06:35,660 --> 00:06:41,660 There's... There's 38,065 questions. 167 00:06:41,660 --> 00:06:44,380 (READS) "My brother David died two years ago. 168 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:44,620 (READS) "My brother David died "He was just 24 and I was 19. 169 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:47,100 "He was just 24 and I was 19. 170 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:50,300 "It feels like everyone is moving on and forgetting him, 171 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:53,100 "and I'm afraid of letting go of my anger. 172 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:55,860 "What if I don't know who I am without it? 173 00:06:55,860 --> 00:07:00,780 "For so long has my grief been an inextricable part of me." 174 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:01,020 "For so long has my grief Alison. 175 00:07:01,020 --> 00:07:02,020 Alison. 176 00:07:03,220 --> 00:07:04,820 Billy from Scotland. 177 00:07:05,980 --> 00:07:07,020 Um... 178 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:08,380 (READS) "My wife has thrown me out. 179 00:07:08,380 --> 00:07:10,780 "I've lost my job all within a week. 180 00:07:10,780 --> 00:07:13,540 "Suicidal thoughts in abundance. 181 00:07:13,540 --> 00:07:15,580 "How does one handle having 182 00:07:15,580 --> 00:07:19,180 "seemingly no control over one's life?" 183 00:07:19,180 --> 00:07:21,700 This is a really beautiful question too. 184 00:07:23,340 --> 00:07:25,580 As you say, it's become very important to you. 185 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:27,460 Why do you think it's become so important? 186 00:07:27,460 --> 00:07:27,700 Why do you think You know, it's...it's...um... 187 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:32,060 You know, it's...it's...um... 188 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:32,300 ..it's a completely unique thing for me personally. You know, it's...it's...um... 189 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:37,500 ..it's a completely unique thing for me personally. 190 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,860 I mean, it sort of grew out of sort of personal tragedy 191 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:41,100 I mean, it sort of grew out of sort of personal tragedy that happened within my family. 192 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:43,380 that happened within my family. 193 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:57,180 REPORTER: The 15-year-old son of Australian rock musician Nick Cave 194 00:07:57,180 --> 00:08:01,220 has died after falling from a cliff on the south coast of England. 195 00:08:01,220 --> 00:08:03,980 Police in the UK say Arthur Cave was found 196 00:08:03,980 --> 00:08:04,220 Police in the UK say with life-threatening injuries... 197 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:05,420 with life-threatening injuries... 198 00:08:05,420 --> 00:08:07,940 The Red Hand Files was people writing in saying, 199 00:08:07,940 --> 00:08:08,180 "Look, this has happened to me. The Red Hand Files was people writing in saying, 200 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:09,660 "Look, this has happened to me. 201 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:09,900 "Look, this has happened to me. to you. 202 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:11,540 "This is what's going to happen to you. 203 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:11,780 You know, "Expect this." to you. 204 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:13,180 You know, "Expect this." 205 00:08:14,420 --> 00:08:16,740 It wasn't just people being sympathetic. 206 00:08:16,740 --> 00:08:20,220 It was people, um, who'd had the same thing 207 00:08:20,220 --> 00:08:22,460 or similar things happen to them. 208 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:27,460 But it was also a kind of lifeline for me 209 00:08:27,460 --> 00:08:31,340 that reached out and collected up these people. 210 00:08:31,340 --> 00:08:31,620 And it's...it's something that's just allowed me that reached out and collected up these people. 211 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:35,460 And it's...it's something that's just allowed me 212 00:08:35,460 --> 00:08:35,740 And it's...it's something that's just allowed me to remain open to the world, rather than shut down. 213 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:40,860 to remain open to the world, rather than shut down. 214 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:41,100 # I will miss you when you're gone to remain open to the world, rather than shut down. 215 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:46,820 # I will miss you when you're gone 216 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:47,060 # I will miss you when you're gone # I'll miss you when you're gone away forever... # 217 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:53,940 # I'll miss you when you're gone away forever... # 218 00:08:53,940 --> 00:08:57,900 Now I get...I get hundreds and hundreds of letters a week, 219 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:58,140 Now I get...I get hundreds all of which I read, 220 00:08:58,140 --> 00:08:59,420 all of which I read, 221 00:08:59,420 --> 00:08:59,660 and a great deal of them all of which I read, 222 00:08:59,660 --> 00:09:04,700 and a great deal of them are to do with...with grief 223 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:04,940 and a great deal of them and personal problems. 224 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:06,980 and personal problems. 225 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:11,060 # Just breathe 226 00:09:11,060 --> 00:09:11,260 # Just breathe # Just breathe 227 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:13,940 # Just breathe 228 00:09:19,460 --> 00:09:21,020 It's quite difficult to talk about this, 229 00:09:21,020 --> 00:09:23,900 but...but I read a letter that comes in from someone 230 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:26,460 talking about the fact that they're... 231 00:09:26,460 --> 00:09:28,940 Sorry, this is quite...actually quite difficult to talk about. 232 00:09:28,940 --> 00:09:32,340 ..talking about the fact that their husband's died. 233 00:09:32,340 --> 00:09:32,580 ..talking about the fact Right? 234 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:33,780 Right? 235 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:35,300 And you're reading it and you realise 236 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,380 the husband's died 15 years ago, or something like that, right? 237 00:09:39,380 --> 00:09:42,940 And this sort of sell-by date has happened with grief and they've... 238 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:45,460 Everyone's gone, "Look, it's time to move on," 239 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:46,980 and all of this sort of stuff, 240 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:49,940 and it's just not... it's not like that. 241 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:50,220 Um, that's not the way things seem to work, as far as I can see. and it's just not... it's not like that. 242 00:09:50,220 --> 00:09:55,220 Um, that's not the way things seem to work, as far as I can see. 243 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:55,500 Um, that's not the way things seem to work, as far as I can see. So there's, there's a great beauty in...in...in the Red Hand Files 244 00:09:55,500 --> 00:10:01,220 So there's, there's a great beauty in...in...in the Red Hand Files 245 00:10:01,220 --> 00:10:01,460 So there's, there's a great beauty that's ex... 246 00:10:01,460 --> 00:10:02,540 that's ex... 247 00:10:02,540 --> 00:10:07,500 You know, it's an extreme privilege to be, um, 248 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:07,740 You know, it's an extreme privilege receiving these letters from people. 249 00:10:07,740 --> 00:10:09,980 receiving these letters from people. 250 00:10:09,980 --> 00:10:14,300 And it is this bizarre sort of opportunity for people 251 00:10:14,300 --> 00:10:22,340 to indulge, to some degree, in...in their grief around things. 252 00:10:22,340 --> 00:10:22,580 to indulge, to some degree, How does grief feel 253 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:24,980 How does grief feel 254 00:10:24,980 --> 00:10:27,620 after a number of years versus in the immediate aftermath? 255 00:10:27,620 --> 00:10:30,140 What does grief feel like several years on, 256 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:31,020 as opposed to 257 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:34,260 when you're in the absolute maelstrom of it straightaway? 258 00:10:34,260 --> 00:10:34,500 when you're in the absolute maelstrom Um, you get practised at it. 259 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,500 Um, you get practised at it. 260 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:40,420 That's a terrifying aspect. 261 00:10:40,420 --> 00:10:44,660 Um, today is the anniversary of Jethro's death. 262 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:49,420 Um, the... My... The second son who died. 263 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:52,140 REPORTER: Breaking news now. 264 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:56,220 The eldest son of Australian singer Nick Cave has died, aged 31. 265 00:10:58,620 --> 00:11:01,100 I had an understanding of the process 266 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:01,340 I had an understanding because I'd been through it already. 267 00:11:01,340 --> 00:11:03,700 because I'd been through it already. 268 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:10,460 There is the initial cataclysmic event 269 00:11:10,460 --> 00:11:10,700 There is the initial cataclysmic event that we eventually absorb 270 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:14,220 that we eventually absorb 271 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:17,180 or rearrange ourselves 272 00:11:17,180 --> 00:11:20,260 so that we become, um... 273 00:11:20,260 --> 00:11:24,340 ..creatures of loss as we get older, 274 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:27,220 that is part of our fundamental fabric 275 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:28,580 of what we are as human beings. 276 00:11:28,580 --> 00:11:32,260 We are things of loss. Um... 277 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:38,300 And...and this is a...is not a tragic element to...to our lives, 278 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:38,540 And...and this is a...is not but rather a deepening element. 279 00:11:38,540 --> 00:11:41,260 but rather a deepening element. 280 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:41,500 And that brings incredible meaning but rather a deepening element. 281 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:45,180 And that brings incredible meaning into our life. 282 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:45,420 And that brings incredible meaning In general, I think we become... 283 00:11:45,420 --> 00:11:48,140 In general, I think we become... 284 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:51,780 Our lives collect meaning from these sorts of things. 285 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:53,380 I'm sorry that this interview has landed 286 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:55,660 on the anniversary of your son's death. 287 00:11:55,660 --> 00:11:56,700 OK. It's... And I'm... 288 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:59,260 It's odd that we're jumping straight into this too. 289 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:00,740 Yeah. I'm sorry. I, um... 290 00:12:00,740 --> 00:12:03,220 No, it's not your fault. It's just... 291 00:12:03,220 --> 00:12:04,940 I'm happy to follow where you want to go. 292 00:12:04,940 --> 00:12:07,460 But please, if I ask anything that oversteps the line... 293 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,980 No, no. It's not that. 294 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:10,900 It's... It's, um... 295 00:12:12,780 --> 00:12:13,820 It's... 296 00:12:13,820 --> 00:12:16,500 For me, when I do interviews, it just quick... 297 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:20,780 ..it just very quickly lands back at this place, and, um... 298 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:23,820 But that's fine, Nick, because it's obviously very present with you 299 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:24,060 But that's fine, Nick, because all the time. 300 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:25,460 all the time. 301 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:25,700 When you've gone through real pain, all the time. 302 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:28,980 When you've gone through real pain, as you have, 303 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:32,380 it's like you get this understanding that 304 00:12:32,380 --> 00:12:34,900 all of the order in the world can just be over like that. 305 00:12:34,900 --> 00:12:41,540 How does one live one's life once that has become real to you? 306 00:12:41,540 --> 00:12:41,820 I mean, this...this is really... this is quite a... How does one live one's life once that has become real to you? 307 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:44,620 I mean, this...this is really... this is quite a... 308 00:12:44,620 --> 00:12:47,060 ..quite a complicated thing, 309 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:50,060 but the sort of void that was left, 310 00:12:50,060 --> 00:12:50,300 but the sort of void that was left, there was a kind of rushing in of meaning that came into that void 311 00:12:50,300 --> 00:12:53,660 there was a kind of rushing in of meaning that came into that void 312 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:53,900 there was a kind of rushing in in all sorts of different ways, 313 00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:56,380 in all sorts of different ways, 314 00:12:56,380 --> 00:12:58,220 um, that... 315 00:12:59,580 --> 00:13:02,540 ..um, allowed me to see the world in a different way. 316 00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:10,540 Allowed me to be much more, um, um, basically compassionate 317 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:10,780 Allowed me to be much more, um, um, towards the human predicament. 318 00:13:10,780 --> 00:13:13,540 towards the human predicament. 319 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:17,420 Uh... Um... Less embittered. 320 00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:21,580 It had... It was kind of a counterfactual response. 321 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:26,740 In fact, rather than made me bitter... 322 00:13:28,460 --> 00:13:32,820 ..it...it...it did the opposite, in some way. 323 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:37,220 It made me much more connected to, um, people in general. 324 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:45,500 # I don't believe in an interventionist God... # 325 00:13:47,380 --> 00:13:51,700 I've always had a religious temperament, even as a child. 326 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:55,980 # I know, darling, that you do... # 327 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:57,780 But no need for it. 328 00:13:57,780 --> 00:14:00,940 You know, I sort of drug addicted for a couple of decades. 329 00:14:00,940 --> 00:14:06,980 # But if I did, I would kneel down and ask Him... # 330 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:11,260 And had a great interest in this sort of stuff, but no need for it. 331 00:14:11,260 --> 00:14:13,500 And I think... 332 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:18,340 ..after Arthur died, not immediately, but... 333 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:20,860 You know, it's been quite a while now, but... 334 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:26,140 Rather than, uh, feeling anger towards that sort of stuff 335 00:14:26,140 --> 00:14:26,380 Rather than, uh, feeling anger or rejecting that sort of stuff, 336 00:14:26,380 --> 00:14:27,940 or rejecting that sort of stuff, 337 00:14:27,940 --> 00:14:28,180 I felt...I felt a slow movement towards a religious life, or rejecting that sort of stuff, 338 00:14:28,180 --> 00:14:34,060 I felt...I felt a slow movement towards a religious life, 339 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:41,860 um...that I found extremely helpful, and... 340 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:42,140 um...that I found extremely helpful, and... # Walk like Christ in grace and love and... # 341 00:14:42,140 --> 00:14:44,100 # Walk like Christ in grace and love and... # 342 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:48,060 Um...kind of...a kind of.. kind of widening thing 343 00:14:48,060 --> 00:14:48,300 Um...kind of...a kind of.. that's happened in my life. 344 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:49,540 that's happened in my life. 345 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:56,620 # Into my arms, O Lord 346 00:14:56,620 --> 00:15:02,020 # Into my arms. # 347 00:15:02,020 --> 00:15:03,740 Do you feel sitting here today... 348 00:15:03,740 --> 00:15:05,460 Like, does that feel like the same person to you, 349 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:07,700 the guy that was, say, on the streets of New York 350 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:08,940 trying to score 25 years ago? 351 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:10,140 Yeah. 352 00:15:11,420 --> 00:15:12,420 (LAUGHS) Yeah. 353 00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:16,100 I mean, I don't, I don't do... I don't do that anymore. 354 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:19,660 Um, but I recognise the impulse, 355 00:15:19,660 --> 00:15:24,340 and I don't...I don't... I don't have, um... 356 00:15:24,340 --> 00:15:29,500 ..the sort of desire to... to use drugs and drink and stuff. 357 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:33,020 I don't struggle with that at all. I mean... 358 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:35,420 Those sorts of things are around me all the time. 359 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:38,980 I still live in a rock and roll world. 360 00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:43,620 I'm not, like, tempted to return to that way of life, 361 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:48,180 but I still recognise it and identify with it, you know. 362 00:15:48,180 --> 00:15:49,220 This is a very personal question, 363 00:15:49,220 --> 00:15:49,460 so tell me to sod off This is a very personal question, 364 00:15:49,460 --> 00:15:51,140 so tell me to sod off if you don't want to answer it. 365 00:15:51,140 --> 00:15:51,380 so tell me to sod off Unlike these other ones... 366 00:15:51,380 --> 00:15:53,140 Unlike these other ones... 367 00:15:53,140 --> 00:15:54,660 (BOTH LAUGH) 368 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:57,900 In the aftermath of when such terrible things happen to you 369 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,340 and the death of Arthur and so on, and then Jethro, 370 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:00,580 and the death of Arthur and so on, why did drugs not seem like, 371 00:16:00,580 --> 00:16:02,620 why did drugs not seem like, 372 00:16:02,620 --> 00:16:04,820 well, that would be just a relief or be oblivion, 373 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:05,060 well, that would be just a relief or it would be something to turn to? 374 00:16:05,060 --> 00:16:06,540 or it would be something to turn to? 375 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:10,700 You know, I... It didn't occur to me. 376 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:14,780 You know, it's not... it's not a relief. I know that. 377 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:15,020 You know, it's not... It doesn't fix anything. 378 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:18,220 It doesn't fix anything. 379 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:18,460 But mostly I had responsibilities to other people. It doesn't fix anything. 380 00:16:18,460 --> 00:16:22,900 But mostly I had responsibilities to other people. 381 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:23,140 It's not... It wasn't just me. to other people. 382 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:24,620 It's not... It wasn't just me. 383 00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:26,340 It wasn't just about me. 384 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:26,580 It wasn't just about me. It was an honouring of the people that had actually died, 385 00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:29,940 It was an honouring of the people that had actually died, 386 00:16:29,940 --> 00:16:30,180 It was an honouring of the people for one thing. 387 00:16:30,180 --> 00:16:31,620 for one thing. 388 00:16:31,620 --> 00:16:35,620 Um, and...and that I had, uh, my wife to look after 389 00:16:35,620 --> 00:16:35,860 Um, and...and that I had, uh, who was going through, uh... 390 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:38,500 who was going through, uh... 391 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:41,820 ..who was going through... 392 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:46,860 You know, like, mothers who have lost children 393 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:47,100 You know, like, go through something different. 394 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:48,340 go through something different. 395 00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:48,580 It's a different thing than... go through something different. 396 00:16:48,580 --> 00:16:52,300 It's a different thing than... than a father that's lost a child. 397 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:56,980 It's a different calibre of suffering, um, that's... 398 00:16:58,420 --> 00:17:02,100 ..you know, it's a... it's a sort of hell unto itself. 399 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:07,700 Um...and the idea that I would go off and become a junkie again, 400 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:11,260 or whatever, you know, it's clearly a bad idea, 401 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:15,380 you know, and...and there were the other children too, you know, so... 402 00:17:15,380 --> 00:17:19,140 It just wasn't something that crossed my mind. 403 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:21,660 Oh, my God! Hey. 404 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:23,900 Look at you. I've got brown hair. 405 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:31,020 You've been all right? Yeah. 406 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:31,300 You've been all right? Yeah. What are you doing? Nothing. 407 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:32,300 What are you doing? Nothing. 408 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:32,540 What are you doing? Oh, God. 409 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:33,460 Oh, God. 410 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:39,300 I'm just very, very lucky to be married to someone 411 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:44,740 that I...I remain completely in love with. 412 00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:44,980 that I...I remain Um, you know, and...and remains 413 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:48,220 Um, you know, and...and remains 414 00:17:48,220 --> 00:17:48,460 an enormous source Um, you know, and...and remains 415 00:17:48,460 --> 00:17:51,540 an enormous source of inspiration to me. 416 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:51,780 an enormous source I'm awed by her. 417 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:53,780 I'm awed by her. 418 00:17:55,940 --> 00:18:00,420 After Arthur died, I found this in storage, and, uh... 419 00:18:00,420 --> 00:18:02,140 I just couldn't believe it when I saw it, 420 00:18:02,140 --> 00:18:02,420 I just couldn't believe it when I saw it, because it's a painting that he did when he was... 421 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:06,260 because it's a painting that he did when he was... 422 00:18:06,260 --> 00:18:09,060 How old? About five or something like that? 423 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:11,660 And it was, um, it's of the windmill and... 424 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:15,380 You know, just where he died. 425 00:18:16,580 --> 00:18:22,940 To see her completely incapacitated, bedridden, 426 00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:27,540 you know, in a darkened room, in a tomb of her own, I would say, 427 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:32,100 into someone that just eventually got out of bed 428 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:33,860 and went to work and... 429 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:34,100 ..to sort of rise out of it and went to work and... 430 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:36,340 ..to sort of rise out of it in some way, 431 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:36,580 ..to sort of rise out of it I'm forever in...in awe of. 432 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:39,420 I'm forever in...in awe of. 433 00:18:39,420 --> 00:18:41,980 So, there's that. 434 00:18:41,980 --> 00:18:45,340 We have a relationship that is sort of bound together 435 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:48,700 by both love and catastrophe, 436 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:54,380 and that, once again, adds layers of meaning to...to our life 437 00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:58,740 that, together, that I don't think were probably there to begin with. 438 00:19:01,820 --> 00:19:05,580 SUSIE: I try to, you know, to just keep moving forward. 439 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:07,940 You know, since everything that happened, 440 00:19:07,940 --> 00:19:08,220 my work became something different, you know. You know, since everything that happened, 441 00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:10,820 my work became something different, you know. 442 00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:13,660 Before it was something I was doing, you know, 443 00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:15,460 because I was enjoying it and loving it. 444 00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:15,700 because I was enjoying it and loving it. But then it became a real necessity. 445 00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:17,420 But then it became a real necessity. 446 00:19:17,420 --> 00:19:19,500 I really had to...to work. 447 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:21,140 And, um... Because it was the only thing 448 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:23,300 that would take my mind off everything. 449 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,180 Sometimes I think in life there's a temptation to see it as linear, 450 00:19:32,180 --> 00:19:34,820 that things...you're happy and then you're sad and so on. 451 00:19:34,820 --> 00:19:39,180 But obviously joy and sorrow all kind of coexist all the time. 452 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:44,100 And while you're obviously carrying grief with you all the time, 453 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:46,340 you're also now a grandfather. 454 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:47,620 Yeah, exactly. 455 00:19:47,620 --> 00:19:50,700 I mean, it's just been the most amazing experience. 456 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:56,060 I wasn't quite prepared for how... how much it would affect me. 457 00:19:56,060 --> 00:20:00,340 Um, this little guy, his name's, uh, Roman. 458 00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:02,740 Roman Cave. (CHUCKLES) 459 00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:07,260 Uh, is such a gorgeous-looking little creature. 460 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:08,660 I mean, it's extraordinary. 461 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:11,780 It's made me extraordinarily... extraordinarily happy. 462 00:20:11,780 --> 00:20:12,020 It's made me extraordinarily... Uh, I'm a grandfather, so... 463 00:20:12,020 --> 00:20:14,740 Uh, I'm a grandfather, so... 464 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:18,980 (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 465 00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:20,940 It's pretty good. (LAUGHTER) 466 00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:21,180 It's pretty good. (PLAYS NOTES) 467 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:23,140 (PLAYS NOTES) 468 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:25,060 What kind of grandfather would you like to be? 469 00:20:25,060 --> 00:20:28,620 I'm looking forward to being the sort of grandfather 470 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:31,100 that sort of sits, you know, in the armchair 471 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:31,340 that sort of sits, you know, that says inappropriate things 472 00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:32,900 that says inappropriate things 473 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:37,540 and has a terrible influence over everybody and... 474 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:37,780 and has a terrible influence ..but that the child secretly loves. 475 00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:40,500 ..but that the child secretly loves. 476 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:40,740 NICK CAVE: I'm a good... ..but that the child secretly loves. 477 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:42,540 NICK CAVE: I'm a good... Yeah. I'm a good dad. 478 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:45,900 I have quite a gift with children in general, I think. 479 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:48,580 I think I've always been quite good with kids. And... 480 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:51,060 Um... 481 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:51,300 I find to be... I find Um... 482 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:53,900 I find to be... I find being a father really easy. 483 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:54,140 I find to be... I find You know, uh... 484 00:20:54,140 --> 00:20:56,100 You know, uh... 485 00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:58,820 I meet other fathers and other parents and, um... 486 00:21:01,580 --> 00:21:02,820 And they seem... 487 00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:03,060 They seem to be kind of exhausted And they seem... 488 00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:05,980 They seem to be kind of exhausted by the whole...whole thing, 489 00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:09,980 and I don't... I find it really energising 490 00:21:09,980 --> 00:21:10,220 and I don't... and very easy thing to do. 491 00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:11,420 and very easy thing to do. 492 00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:14,140 I'm talking to Earl on the phone. 493 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:14,380 MAN: Oh, let's go... I'm talking to Earl on the phone. 494 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:16,060 MAN: Oh, let's go... Let's say to hi to Earl. 495 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:19,700 MAN: (OVER PHONE) Um... But, uh... 496 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:22,620 You're being filmed now, so you better hide. 497 00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:24,300 No, don't hide, Early. 498 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:26,700 I'm not hiding. I'm right here. 499 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:27,860 I'll call you later. Alright. 500 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:29,660 See you, Earl. Are you OK? Are you OK there? 501 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:29,900 See you, Earl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 502 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:30,780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 503 00:21:30,780 --> 00:21:31,020 Alright. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 504 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:32,420 Alright. See you. 505 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:32,660 Alright. Happy... 506 00:21:32,660 --> 00:21:33,620 Happy... 507 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:33,820 (BIRDS TWITTER) Happy... 508 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:37,620 (BIRDS TWITTER) 509 00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:41,060 In your new album, the opening verse of the first song is about 510 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:41,300 In your new album, the opening verse of the first song is about a man seeing a woman by a lake, 511 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,020 a man seeing a woman by a lake, 512 00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:44,940 and he talks about the golden light. 513 00:21:44,940 --> 00:21:46,340 Made me wonder, have you... 514 00:21:46,340 --> 00:21:48,300 Have you heard the record? Yeah. 515 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:48,540 Have you heard the record? Oh, the whole thing? 516 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:49,300 Oh, the whole thing? 517 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,700 Yeah. Yeah. Oh. 518 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:51,980 It's great. It's not bad, hey? 519 00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:55,300 In those lyrics, the use of the word 'lake' 520 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:55,540 In those lyrics, made me think of English countryside, 521 00:21:55,540 --> 00:21:57,020 made me think of English countryside, 522 00:21:57,020 --> 00:21:59,380 but then "golden light" made me think of, like, 523 00:21:59,380 --> 00:22:00,780 the light in Australia at times. 524 00:22:00,780 --> 00:22:02,380 Does Australian imagery, 525 00:22:02,380 --> 00:22:04,220 even though you haven't lived here for a long time, 526 00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:06,740 still seep through into your work, do you think? 527 00:22:06,740 --> 00:22:08,820 Yeah, it does, I'd say so. 528 00:22:08,820 --> 00:22:10,660 I mean, it always has. 529 00:22:10,660 --> 00:22:10,860 # Mary, grab the baby I mean, it always has. 530 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:15,140 # Mary, grab the baby 531 00:22:15,140 --> 00:22:17,740 # The river's rising... # 532 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:17,980 # The river's rising... # I've always thought of my songs as Australian. 533 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:21,060 I've always thought of my songs as Australian. 534 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:26,460 # Muddy water taking back the land... # 535 00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:32,220 The particular locus of my childhood was the river in Wangaratta, 536 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:35,300 where we used to hang out as kids on our bikes, 537 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:38,260 and there's a railway bridge that goes over that. 538 00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:40,540 And I often think about that place. 539 00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:43,540 It appears in...in a lot of songs. 540 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:46,340 # Take the child 541 00:22:46,340 --> 00:22:49,020 # The river's rising... # 542 00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:49,260 Have you been back to the river # The river's rising... # 543 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:50,900 Have you been back to the river and the railway? 544 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:51,140 Have you been back to the river Yeah, I actually did. 545 00:22:51,140 --> 00:22:52,700 Yeah, I actually did. 546 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:55,260 I don't know how long ago it was. 547 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:56,820 # Taking back my home... # 548 00:22:57,940 --> 00:23:00,860 I've said over the past, as a young person, 549 00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:01,100 I've said over the past, terrible things about Wangaratta. 550 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:02,900 terrible things about Wangaratta. 551 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:10,180 Which, now that I've grown up a bit... (LAUGHS) ..I kind of regret. 552 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:10,420 Which, now that I've grown up a Um... 553 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:11,660 Um... 554 00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:11,900 But it was...it was... Um... 555 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:14,540 But it was...it was... it was fun to go back there 556 00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:14,780 But it was...it was... and to stand on a stage 557 00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:15,860 and to stand on a stage 558 00:23:15,860 --> 00:23:18,820 and sort of apologise to... to Australia, 559 00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:19,100 to, you know, the Australian police force. and sort of apologise to... to Australia, 560 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,620 to, you know, the Australian police force. 561 00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:24,620 Uh, everyone else that I've sort of, um, 562 00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:24,900 Uh, everyone else that I've sort of, um, haven't had kind things to say about. 563 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:26,740 haven't had kind things to say about. 564 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:26,980 haven't had kind things And, um, it was...it was quite... 565 00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:29,340 And, um, it was...it was quite... 566 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:31,340 And what was their reaction to that? ..a beautiful thing. 567 00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:31,580 And what was their reaction to that? They... They were fine about it. 568 00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:33,820 They... They were fine about it. 569 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:39,860 # All this muddy water is taking back my home. # 570 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:49,180 I haven't lived here for over 45 years or something like that. 571 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:53,260 But I get at times a great nostalgia for Australia. 572 00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:56,420 Things fall away when I get back to Australia, 573 00:23:56,420 --> 00:24:00,940 and I feel relief, like I'm back in the place that I should be. 574 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:01,180 and I feel relief, like I'm back I love Australian people, 575 00:24:01,180 --> 00:24:03,060 I love Australian people, 576 00:24:03,060 --> 00:24:05,540 and I understand the people and stuff like that. 577 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:09,780 Your collaboration with Kylie Minogue, how did it come about? 578 00:24:09,780 --> 00:24:15,420 Well, I was just a fan, and I always sort of watched her 579 00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:17,180 and...as a sort of pop icon, 580 00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:19,580 and kind of wished at some point 581 00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:21,860 she just sort of slows stuff down a little bit. 582 00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:22,100 she just sort of slows stuff down And I had this song that was a duet. 583 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,500 And I had this song that was a duet. 584 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:28,620 I just felt, wow, imagine if I sang that with Kylie Minogue. 585 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,500 Hello, Kylie, how are you today? (LAUGHS) 586 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:32,740 I was just - duh! - really naive Hello, Kylie, how are you today? (LAUGHS) 587 00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:34,340 I was just - duh! - really naive 588 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:37,300 and didn't know about the legend of Nick Cave 589 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:37,540 and didn't know about and said, "Oh, that's really nice." 590 00:24:37,540 --> 00:24:39,020 and said, "Oh, that's really nice." 591 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:39,220 and said, "Oh, that's really nice." (LAUGHS) How are you? 592 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:40,620 (LAUGHS) How are you? 593 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:42,540 Oh, I'm a hell of a lot better for seeing you. 594 00:24:43,940 --> 00:24:48,900 # They call me the Wild Rose 595 00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:54,620 # But my name was Eliza Day... # 596 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:54,860 For her to do it required something of her. # But my name was Eliza Day... # 597 00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:58,700 For her to do it required something of her. 598 00:24:58,700 --> 00:24:58,980 For her to do it required something of her. # On the third day, he took me to the river 599 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:01,420 # On the third day, he took me to the river 600 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:06,740 # Show me the roses and we kissed... # 601 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:11,340 It was hugely controversial within her own management. 602 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:11,620 They're like, "You don't want to be doing a record with this guy." It was hugely controversial within her own management. 603 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:15,980 They're like, "You don't want to be doing a record with this guy." 604 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:22,100 You know, I wasn't in...remotely in showroom condition at the time. 605 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:25,420 WOMAN: Do you actually mind taking your glasses off? 606 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:28,700 And so it was something for her to step into this, 607 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:33,660 you know, male drug-addicted world, which she did, 608 00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:33,900 you know, male drug-addicted world, uh, to sing this song as... 609 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,900 uh, to sing this song as... 610 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:40,380 ..and...and she just showed extraordinary courage, I think, 611 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:40,620 ..and...and she just showed to do that. 612 00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:41,980 to do that. 613 00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:42,220 # Why they call me that, to do that. 614 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:47,540 # Why they call me that, I do not know... # 615 00:25:47,540 --> 00:25:52,340 You know, I think most people just thought it was beautiful and bizarre 616 00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:52,580 You know, I think most people just and...and liked it. 617 00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:54,820 and...and liked it. 618 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:59,100 Maybe there was...were some people who...who just like, 619 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,500 "What are you doing with Kylie Minogue?" or whatever, I don't know, 620 00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:03,620 but... 621 00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:08,140 I tell you who objected most was the Kylie Minogue fans. 622 00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:08,380 I tell you who objected most (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 623 00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:12,900 (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 624 00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:16,220 NICK CAVE: A lot of people have bought the album 625 00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:16,460 NICK CAVE: A lot of people on the strength of the Kylie song... 626 00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:18,100 on the strength of the Kylie song... 627 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,380 Thank you. 628 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:22,180 ..and...and the album isn't really like that at all. 629 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:28,020 And so there was a certain kind of satisfaction about, um... 630 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,820 ..about knowing that you could get... 631 00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:33,380 ..that we could get our records into... 632 00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:36,980 ..into the kind of living rooms of people that... 633 00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:39,540 ..where they would normally... where they don't really belong. 634 00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:45,020 Let's see what happens. 635 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,020 (PIANO NOTES PLAY) 636 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,260 Are you ready? Yeah. 637 00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:54,100 Wild God's your 18th album with The Bad Seeds. 638 00:26:54,100 --> 00:27:00,060 What is it like to be in a band for such a long period of time? 639 00:27:00,060 --> 00:27:00,340 Well, I have a lot of pride in The Bad Seeds, What is it like to be in a band for such a long period of time? 640 00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:04,380 Well, I have a lot of pride in The Bad Seeds, 641 00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:07,180 and I have a lot of pride that we're still around. 642 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:07,460 and I have a lot of pride that we're still around. When it comes into the "Ah!" in the background, just like... 643 00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:11,220 When it comes into the "Ah!" in the background, just like... 644 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:14,540 I think all of the Bad Seeds pretty much feel the same way, 645 00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:14,780 I think all of the Bad Seeds that very often if you're in a band, 646 00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:16,420 that very often if you're in a band, 647 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:18,380 it's like a kind of marriage or something like that 648 00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:18,620 it's like a kind of marriage that becomes stuck, 649 00:27:18,620 --> 00:27:20,180 that becomes stuck, 650 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:20,420 and I've tended to that becomes stuck, 651 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:23,700 and I've tended to move people around. 652 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:23,940 and I've tended to People have come, people have gone. 653 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:25,500 People have come, people have gone. 654 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:28,700 The Bad Seeds remain a fluid thing. 655 00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:28,940 There's a implicit understanding within The Bad Seeds The Bad Seeds remain a fluid thing. 656 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:33,260 There's a implicit understanding within The Bad Seeds 657 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:35,260 that the music will always be different, 658 00:27:35,260 --> 00:27:39,140 and so no-one's sitting back complacent 659 00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:39,380 and so no-one's sitting back within...within the group. 660 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:40,780 within...within the group. 661 00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:43,580 And that just keeps the music inventive 662 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:43,820 And that just keeps the music and going in different places. 663 00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:45,740 and going in different places. 664 00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:45,940 # Bring your spirit down... # and going in different places. 665 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:50,220 # Bring your spirit down... # 666 00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:52,660 I don't like to write songs. 667 00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:54,380 It's the last thing I want to do. 668 00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:57,060 Because it's difficult to write songs 669 00:27:57,060 --> 00:28:00,220 and it really requires something of you. 670 00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:03,180 And so I set a date and think, 671 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:04,860 "Alright, I gotta make a new record." 672 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:09,420 This... This one was January the first of last year. 673 00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:10,620 I sat down. 674 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:13,100 I don't...haven't written a song in years, 675 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,940 and start to put together ideas for a record. 676 00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:23,180 I'm always aware that the next record, if it's any good, 677 00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:23,420 I'm always aware that it's going to lose some fans. 678 00:28:23,420 --> 00:28:25,260 it's going to lose some fans. 679 00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:25,500 But, I don't know, I just feel like I still got things to say, it's going to lose some fans. 680 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,060 But, I don't know, I just feel like I still got things to say, 681 00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:34,660 and I feel energised about things and, you know, on it goes. 682 00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:34,900 (LAUGHS) and, you know, on it goes. 683 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:36,100 (LAUGHS) 684 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:36,340 (LAUGHS) # I'm a wild god, baby, I'm a wild god... # 685 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:38,340 # I'm a wild god, baby, I'm a wild god... # 686 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:38,580 # I'm a wild god, baby, (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 687 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:40,500 (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 688 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:40,700 # Come sail your ships around me (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 689 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:47,100 # Come sail your ships around me 690 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:54,100 # And burn your bridges down 691 00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:02,540 # We make a little history, baby 692 00:29:04,540 --> 00:29:06,740 # Every time you come around... # 693 00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:08,180 Captions by Red Bee Media 694 00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:11,180 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation