1 00:00:13,588 --> 00:00:14,755 - Female narrator: An epic "snapped" story 2 00:00:14,831 --> 00:00:17,466 Unlike any other, 3 00:00:17,542 --> 00:00:19,968 With stunning twists along the way, 4 00:00:20,003 --> 00:00:23,305 That culminates in an exclusive interview featuring 5 00:00:23,340 --> 00:00:26,808 New information never heard before about a case 6 00:00:26,843 --> 00:00:29,319 That rocked a small community. 7 00:00:31,940 --> 00:00:35,859 - This was the most heinous murder investigation. 8 00:00:35,870 --> 00:00:38,820 - He was going running, and he never knew what hit him. 9 00:00:38,855 --> 00:00:41,615 An execution style murder. 10 00:00:41,691 --> 00:00:45,252 - It was obviously an issue of overkill. 11 00:00:46,738 --> 00:00:49,164 - Narrator: Investigators are sent down a trail 12 00:00:49,199 --> 00:00:52,334 Of sordid secrets and cover-ups. 13 00:00:52,410 --> 00:00:55,670 - They suspected that there was an affair going on. 14 00:00:55,705 --> 00:00:57,389 - She'd been caught lying. 15 00:00:57,466 --> 00:00:59,883 - There was a report to one of our detectives, 16 00:00:59,894 --> 00:01:03,970 Alleging that he had been molesting his daughter. 17 00:01:04,047 --> 00:01:05,647 - It was very disturbing. 18 00:01:06,883 --> 00:01:09,184 - Narrator: As the pieces fall into place, 19 00:01:09,219 --> 00:01:14,022 They will reveal a heinous plot, twisted by faith. 20 00:01:14,057 --> 00:01:18,360 - It all seemed to stem from church activities. 21 00:01:18,436 --> 00:01:21,696 - He had prophesied that it was god's will 22 00:01:21,731 --> 00:01:24,533 That he needed to be killed. 23 00:01:24,609 --> 00:01:26,201 - Judy: It's hard to understand, I guess, 24 00:01:26,236 --> 00:01:27,869 Unless you are part of that. 25 00:01:27,946 --> 00:01:29,913 It's like a cult situation. 26 00:01:29,924 --> 00:01:33,375 - You had church scandal, you had an affair 27 00:01:33,451 --> 00:01:35,886 With a pastor, you had sex. 28 00:01:37,765 --> 00:01:39,881 - Narrator: And for the very first time, 29 00:01:39,916 --> 00:01:41,925 One man at the center of this horrific crime 30 00:01:41,936 --> 00:01:44,928 Finally tells his story. 31 00:01:44,939 --> 00:01:47,222 - Mikel: I know it obviously doesn't change a thing, 32 00:01:47,257 --> 00:01:51,059 Or probably bring a whole lot of, uh, comfort, 33 00:01:51,094 --> 00:01:54,530 But maybe at least knowing some things might help. 34 00:01:58,768 --> 00:02:02,496 - ♪ 35 00:02:04,941 --> 00:02:07,918 ♪♪ 36 00:02:10,488 --> 00:02:14,040 - Narrator: December 22, 1992. 37 00:02:14,117 --> 00:02:17,711 It's 3:30 p.M. In junction city, kansas, 38 00:02:17,787 --> 00:02:21,548 A small town of only 23,000, located 2 hours 39 00:02:21,625 --> 00:02:23,758 Outside of kansas city, 40 00:02:23,835 --> 00:02:25,927 When the local sheriff's department receives 41 00:02:25,962 --> 00:02:29,931 A 911 call about a gruesome discovery. 42 00:02:30,008 --> 00:02:33,935 - The call that was received was from a passerby who had-- 43 00:02:34,012 --> 00:02:37,272 Had noticed a body on the side of the road. 44 00:02:37,307 --> 00:02:38,306 - [siren wailing] 45 00:02:38,342 --> 00:02:40,817 - Beth: Law enforcement responded to the scene 46 00:02:40,828 --> 00:02:42,986 And found a body of a white male 47 00:02:42,997 --> 00:02:45,739 Lying on his back at the intersection 48 00:02:45,815 --> 00:02:49,001 Of adams road and lyons creek road. 49 00:02:49,077 --> 00:02:51,995 - Originally, there was some thought that maybe he'd been hit 50 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,839 By a car or something like that, 51 00:02:53,916 --> 00:02:55,790 Because the wounds were so severe 52 00:02:55,867 --> 00:02:57,292 And he was next to a road. 53 00:02:57,327 --> 00:02:58,793 Pretty shortly, they were able to determine 54 00:02:58,828 --> 00:03:02,472 That he had been the victim of a homicide. 55 00:03:05,168 --> 00:03:08,845 - The man was deceased because of bullet wounds 56 00:03:08,856 --> 00:03:10,439 To his head and torso. 57 00:03:13,218 --> 00:03:15,027 - Jeffery: It appeared to be a shotgun, 58 00:03:15,103 --> 00:03:17,854 But yet we found no shotgun shell casings. 59 00:03:17,865 --> 00:03:19,615 Someone was trying to hide their tracks. 60 00:03:21,184 --> 00:03:23,026 - [siren wailing] 61 00:03:23,037 --> 00:03:25,946 - Anthony: It wasn't long before a stream 62 00:03:26,022 --> 00:03:29,491 Of emergency vehicles rushed to the scene, 63 00:03:29,567 --> 00:03:34,454 And the sound of the collective sirens caught the attention 64 00:03:34,531 --> 00:03:36,998 Of one neighbor in particular. 65 00:03:37,075 --> 00:03:40,543 He walked down to the scene, 66 00:03:40,554 --> 00:03:43,880 And he was able to identify the victim 67 00:03:43,891 --> 00:03:45,349 As randall sheridan. 68 00:03:46,584 --> 00:03:49,844 Immediately the thought was, "who could have done this? 69 00:03:49,921 --> 00:03:52,555 "why would anyone wanna kill randy, 70 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:55,400 Especially in broad daylight?" 71 00:03:58,555 --> 00:04:02,074 - Narrator: Born in ellsworth, kansas, in 1952, 72 00:04:02,150 --> 00:04:06,078 Randy sheridan was a cowboy through and through. 73 00:04:06,154 --> 00:04:08,863 - We grew up listening to western music and, uh, 74 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:10,916 Watching old westerns on tv. 75 00:04:12,068 --> 00:04:16,421 - His dad, uh, was retired as a...Army officer, 76 00:04:16,498 --> 00:04:19,040 And he always had a great love for horses. 77 00:04:19,075 --> 00:04:20,709 - Robert: He was an extrovert. 78 00:04:20,785 --> 00:04:22,928 Friendly, he had a good sense of humor, 79 00:04:23,005 --> 00:04:24,713 He had a lot of friends. 80 00:04:24,748 --> 00:04:27,007 He was a good person, you know? 81 00:04:27,083 --> 00:04:31,678 - He was very engaging, very personable. 82 00:04:31,755 --> 00:04:35,691 He was always the fun, jokester type person. 83 00:04:37,927 --> 00:04:41,521 - Narrator: In 1974, the young cowboy fell in love 84 00:04:41,598 --> 00:04:44,950 With junction city native, judy kay junghans. 85 00:04:46,644 --> 00:04:50,405 - Judy: He always was able to make a person feel like 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,408 That he was listening to them and really understanding, 87 00:04:53,443 --> 00:04:55,952 And asking a--good questions. 88 00:04:55,963 --> 00:04:58,413 - Robert: When randy and judy were dating, 89 00:04:58,448 --> 00:05:00,874 They just seemed to get along really well. 90 00:05:00,950 --> 00:05:06,713 Um, judy had a son, and randy was helping raise her son. 91 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:09,016 They were--all three-- really close. 92 00:05:11,669 --> 00:05:14,929 - Narrator: In 1981, after dating for 7 years, 93 00:05:15,006 --> 00:05:17,891 Randy and judy tied the knot. 94 00:05:17,967 --> 00:05:19,809 - Judy: We moved into this small house 95 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:21,728 Right after we got married. 96 00:05:21,805 --> 00:05:23,813 It had some acreage with it, 97 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:27,108 Which had a place for his horses and dogs. 98 00:05:27,185 --> 00:05:29,828 So it was, uh-- and it was close to town. 99 00:05:29,905 --> 00:05:33,448 It was very nice. They were very good years. 100 00:05:33,483 --> 00:05:36,451 - Narrator: Unfortunately, the idyllic family life 101 00:05:36,486 --> 00:05:38,003 Didn't last. 102 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,746 - Judy: Shortly after we were married, 103 00:05:39,823 --> 00:05:43,792 I would say within a year, things did not go so well. 104 00:05:43,868 --> 00:05:45,010 He moved out. 105 00:05:45,087 --> 00:05:49,464 That was a time when... 106 00:05:49,499 --> 00:05:53,968 There was a lot of, um, not getting along, distancing, 107 00:05:54,045 --> 00:05:56,179 Kind of leading parallel lives. 108 00:05:56,190 --> 00:05:59,974 - Narrator: By 1984, while still separated from judy, 109 00:06:00,051 --> 00:06:03,028 32-year-old randy was working as a salesman 110 00:06:03,105 --> 00:06:05,480 In chapman, kansas. 111 00:06:05,515 --> 00:06:09,192 There, he met a woman that stopped him in his tracks: 112 00:06:09,203 --> 00:06:12,028 22-year-old dana dreiling. 113 00:06:12,039 --> 00:06:17,167 - Randy met dana, and they had what I would say is an affair. 114 00:06:21,239 --> 00:06:23,873 - Anthony: Dana was one of five children raised in the small 115 00:06:23,884 --> 00:06:28,795 Kansas town of chapman, a blue-collar type upbringing. 116 00:06:28,872 --> 00:06:32,057 The family had a very strong work ethic. 117 00:06:32,134 --> 00:06:34,843 - Mikel: The household was, um, 118 00:06:34,919 --> 00:06:37,846 A traditional catholic household. 119 00:06:37,922 --> 00:06:40,807 My father was a carpenter, that's what he did for a living. 120 00:06:40,884 --> 00:06:46,229 Uh, and my mother worked in...The healthcare industry. 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,865 Later on, she really just raised us kids. 122 00:06:51,394 --> 00:06:53,695 - Narrator: In her early 20s, dana took a job 123 00:06:53,771 --> 00:06:56,030 As a dental hygienist in chapman, 124 00:06:56,107 --> 00:06:58,700 Where she soon met randy. 125 00:06:58,776 --> 00:07:03,037 - I do not know exactly when dana and randy became involved, 126 00:07:03,114 --> 00:07:05,081 But we ended up getting a divorce. 127 00:07:05,092 --> 00:07:09,711 And that was because of the fact that dana--at that time, 128 00:07:09,787 --> 00:07:12,222 He was involved with her, and she was pregnant. 129 00:07:14,083 --> 00:07:17,010 - I don't think randy was ever serious about dana. 130 00:07:17,086 --> 00:07:20,272 Dana was more serious about rand, 131 00:07:20,348 --> 00:07:23,349 But when randy found out that dana was pregnant, 132 00:07:23,426 --> 00:07:26,060 He took full responsibility. 133 00:07:26,137 --> 00:07:28,897 He was fully on board. 134 00:07:28,973 --> 00:07:30,907 He always wanted to have kids. 135 00:07:32,810 --> 00:07:35,695 - Narrator: In 1985, randy and dana welcomed 136 00:07:35,772 --> 00:07:38,781 Their daughter ashley into the world. 137 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:42,744 - He always was very interested in having a child. 138 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:45,205 He was excited about that part of it, 139 00:07:45,281 --> 00:07:48,458 But he did not wanna get married, um, 140 00:07:48,469 --> 00:07:51,586 So they were not living together. 141 00:07:51,621 --> 00:07:54,088 - When he would bring ashley over to my folks', 142 00:07:54,165 --> 00:07:56,424 Which is where I would usually see her, 143 00:07:56,501 --> 00:08:00,103 He was, you know, just... Full of joy. 144 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:03,890 - Narrator: Randy spent the next several years 145 00:08:03,967 --> 00:08:06,100 Striving to be a good father. 146 00:08:06,177 --> 00:08:09,979 He also made amends with his ex-wife, judy. 147 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:11,773 - Judy: After ashley was born, 148 00:08:11,849 --> 00:08:16,945 We gradually became, um, close again. 149 00:08:17,021 --> 00:08:20,406 And then ultimately, he moved back in. 150 00:08:20,483 --> 00:08:23,493 When we did get back together, it was--it was good. 151 00:08:23,504 --> 00:08:25,328 It was very good. 152 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:29,123 - A few years after that reconciliation, 153 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,636 Judy and randy actually had a daughter together. 154 00:08:35,182 --> 00:08:38,258 - Narrator: In 1987, dana decided to follow 155 00:08:38,334 --> 00:08:42,845 Randy's lead and take a second chance on love herself. 156 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:45,473 - Mikel: Steve flynn was an old classmate of hers in school, 157 00:08:45,508 --> 00:08:48,142 And...Reconnected later. It happened real fast, 158 00:08:48,219 --> 00:08:50,186 I think they reconnected, dated for a few weeks, 159 00:08:50,197 --> 00:08:52,146 And they were getting married. 160 00:08:52,181 --> 00:08:54,908 - Two years later, steve and dana had a son. 161 00:08:57,854 --> 00:08:59,529 - Narrator: The couple also began attending 162 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:02,824 The fountain of life church in salina, kansas, 163 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:05,210 Led by pastor jerry rollins, 164 00:09:05,287 --> 00:09:09,831 Where dana became an active member of the congregation. 165 00:09:09,866 --> 00:09:12,000 - My parents end up selling their house 166 00:09:12,076 --> 00:09:14,168 And moving to salina. 167 00:09:14,245 --> 00:09:16,170 We started attending that church in salina, kansas, 168 00:09:16,247 --> 00:09:17,505 When I was 16. 169 00:09:17,582 --> 00:09:20,341 My family was lower middle class, very common, 170 00:09:20,376 --> 00:09:22,844 But jerry had a way of making them feel like, well, 171 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,055 God looked at them with particular favor 172 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:28,400 And was really going to bless them, 173 00:09:28,476 --> 00:09:30,068 And they were special people. 174 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:34,522 - Narrator: Through the years, randy sheridan maintained 175 00:09:34,557 --> 00:09:37,358 A cordial relationship with steve and dana 176 00:09:37,435 --> 00:09:40,028 For the sake of his daughter, ashley. 177 00:09:40,104 --> 00:09:43,239 - Judy: Typically, what would happen is he would pick her up, 178 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:49,245 And dana and steve would come to pick ashley up at our home 179 00:09:49,256 --> 00:09:51,914 On the return side. 180 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:54,759 As the girls got older, they would play together. 181 00:09:54,836 --> 00:09:57,712 Um, those were very good times. 182 00:09:57,747 --> 00:10:00,056 Unfortunately, everything changed. 183 00:10:02,436 --> 00:10:05,270 - Narrator: On December 22, 1992, 184 00:10:05,347 --> 00:10:08,389 Randy sheridan, a beloved father of two, 185 00:10:08,466 --> 00:10:13,227 Has been found dead less than a mile from his home. 186 00:10:13,304 --> 00:10:15,229 - What made it difficult: You're in a rural area 187 00:10:15,306 --> 00:10:17,357 Where there's no houses, so there's no neighbors, 188 00:10:17,433 --> 00:10:20,401 No potential for witnesses. 189 00:10:20,436 --> 00:10:23,404 - Narrator: With no witnesses, detectives will have to look 190 00:10:23,481 --> 00:10:27,408 To their victim to find his killer. 191 00:10:27,485 --> 00:10:30,078 - It was apparent from the scene, um, 192 00:10:30,154 --> 00:10:32,839 He had received five shotgun wounds. 193 00:10:34,450 --> 00:10:39,045 - With the wounds inflicted, it was indicative that it was 194 00:10:39,122 --> 00:10:42,432 A emotional crime and that it was overkill. 195 00:10:44,001 --> 00:10:47,261 - Anthony: It just screamed out this was a personal killing. 196 00:10:47,296 --> 00:10:50,056 They wanted to make sure that he was dead. 197 00:10:50,133 --> 00:10:52,433 - Jeffery: We have to rule everyone out. 198 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:56,270 And loved ones or people that are close to a murder victim, 199 00:10:56,347 --> 00:10:58,490 Are someone you look at, 200 00:10:58,566 --> 00:11:00,533 Because that's often who perpetrated it. 201 00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:05,279 - Narrator: Coming up, 202 00:11:05,356 --> 00:11:08,333 Was a cryptic call days before the murder 203 00:11:08,410 --> 00:11:11,577 A prank or a warning? 204 00:11:11,654 --> 00:11:14,506 - The only word she could make out was "die." 205 00:11:14,582 --> 00:11:17,625 'cause she said the caller was trying to disguise their voice. 206 00:11:17,702 --> 00:11:21,421 - Narrator: And a surprising source of evil emerges. 207 00:11:21,497 --> 00:11:26,134 - He had voiced concern that the pastor of the church 208 00:11:26,169 --> 00:11:31,305 Was trying to drive a wedge between randy and his daughter. 209 00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:34,484 - The way it was done was textbook for cult doctrine. 210 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:40,156 - ♪ 211 00:11:49,525 --> 00:11:52,452 - Narrator: On December 22, 1992, 212 00:11:52,528 --> 00:11:55,955 Authorities in geary county, kansas, are investigating 213 00:11:56,032 --> 00:12:00,218 The roadside slaying of randy sheridan. 214 00:12:00,295 --> 00:12:02,503 - At the conclusion of the investigation 215 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:06,007 At the crime scene, randy's body was taken 216 00:12:06,042 --> 00:12:09,577 To our local funeral home, where the autopsy was conducted. 217 00:12:12,566 --> 00:12:14,566 - Chris: What takes place any time there's a murder is, 218 00:12:14,642 --> 00:12:16,684 They will start looking at that person, 219 00:12:16,761 --> 00:12:18,019 And looking at their life, 220 00:12:18,095 --> 00:12:19,729 Looking at the people in their life. 221 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:22,648 - Jeffery: His wife would naturally be a suspect. 222 00:12:22,725 --> 00:12:24,484 You know, I mean, were they having an argument? 223 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,078 Were there problems, you know? 224 00:12:27,155 --> 00:12:30,540 - Narrator: Detectives don't have to wait long to find out. 225 00:12:32,068 --> 00:12:34,252 - Judy: I took off early 226 00:12:34,329 --> 00:12:40,041 And was, uh, driving home and saw all of these cars 227 00:12:40,117 --> 00:12:41,426 Around our house. 228 00:12:42,745 --> 00:12:46,047 There was a, um, sheriff's car 229 00:12:46,123 --> 00:12:49,091 That was sitting at the end of the driveway. 230 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:52,270 And that person, uh, flagged me down. 231 00:12:58,427 --> 00:13:00,195 [crying] I'm sorry. 232 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:04,908 - We spoke to her, told her that her husband had been murdered. 233 00:13:09,605 --> 00:13:14,200 - At the time, it's hard to take in that information. 234 00:13:14,277 --> 00:13:16,410 I was in shock. 235 00:13:16,445 --> 00:13:22,300 It was, um...Very difficult. 236 00:13:24,453 --> 00:13:26,254 I basically was just shaking. 237 00:13:26,330 --> 00:13:29,474 It was hard to, um, not shake. 238 00:13:29,551 --> 00:13:33,311 It was just, uh, devastating. 239 00:13:33,388 --> 00:13:34,495 - Robert: The phone rang. 240 00:13:34,572 --> 00:13:38,983 And I recognized my father's voice on the other end. 241 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:41,528 And he just said, "they've shot and killed randy." 242 00:13:46,183 --> 00:13:50,278 It was like an atomic bomb goes off inside of you. 243 00:13:50,354 --> 00:13:53,248 Just--[sobs]-- just devastation. 244 00:13:57,078 --> 00:13:59,328 - Narrator: While randy's loved ones grieve, 245 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:03,416 Investigators waste no time searching for leads. 246 00:14:03,492 --> 00:14:05,251 - We did check the house to make sure 247 00:14:05,328 --> 00:14:08,671 That it had not been, you know, burglarized. 248 00:14:08,682 --> 00:14:11,516 But his house was intact, there appeared to be no-- 249 00:14:11,593 --> 00:14:14,135 Anything amiss within the residence. 250 00:14:14,170 --> 00:14:18,139 So, you know, it, uh, came down to investigating 251 00:14:18,174 --> 00:14:20,641 What was going on with his life. 252 00:14:20,718 --> 00:14:22,768 - Narrator: Detectives start by asking judy 253 00:14:22,845 --> 00:14:25,813 When she last spoke to randy. 254 00:14:25,890 --> 00:14:29,275 - He called me at my office around 3 o'clock, and said 255 00:14:29,352 --> 00:14:31,485 He was gonna go for a run. 256 00:14:31,562 --> 00:14:34,706 That was, of course, the last conversation I had with him. 257 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,201 - Narrator: Judy says that the only conflict 258 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:42,830 In randy's life stemmed from a past affair. 259 00:14:42,865 --> 00:14:45,833 - Jeffery: She told us that randy had had an affair 260 00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:48,628 With a woman by the name of dana flynn. 261 00:14:48,704 --> 00:14:53,466 In that affair, he had a--a child. 262 00:14:53,542 --> 00:14:57,678 - Judy also told detectives that randy was going through 263 00:14:57,755 --> 00:15:02,808 A very nasty custody situation, 264 00:15:02,885 --> 00:15:06,696 Uh, with the mother of his young daughter. 265 00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:10,483 - Narrator: Judy explains that earlier that month, 266 00:15:10,559 --> 00:15:12,243 Randy had tried to pick up his daughter 267 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,905 For a scheduled visitation, but her mother, dana flynn, 268 00:15:15,916 --> 00:15:18,532 Refused to drop her off. 269 00:15:18,567 --> 00:15:20,368 - She was not there at the place 270 00:15:20,444 --> 00:15:22,370 Where he was supposed to pick her up. 271 00:15:22,405 --> 00:15:26,207 So, this went on for a while, and he, of course, 272 00:15:26,242 --> 00:15:30,586 Hired an attorney, um, to see what could be done. 273 00:15:30,597 --> 00:15:33,214 - Jeffery: She said they had a court hearing coming up 274 00:15:33,249 --> 00:15:37,101 And it was to be a change of custody to where ashley 275 00:15:37,178 --> 00:15:41,180 Would be given to randy on a more permanent basis 276 00:15:41,257 --> 00:15:43,441 Instead of just on visitation. 277 00:15:43,518 --> 00:15:47,111 - Judy let detectives know that, on December 22, 278 00:15:47,188 --> 00:15:50,398 The day that randy was killed, 279 00:15:50,433 --> 00:15:54,619 Dana was scheduled to bring their daughter to randy 280 00:15:54,696 --> 00:15:59,907 So that they could go on a vacation. 281 00:15:59,984 --> 00:16:02,243 - Jeffery: According to his wife, he said, "when I get back, 282 00:16:02,319 --> 00:16:04,453 "I'll call my attorney and hopefully I'll know 283 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,622 When we're to pick up ashley." 284 00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:09,133 And it was while he was out jogging 285 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:10,677 That, uh, he was murdered. 286 00:16:13,306 --> 00:16:15,297 - Narrator: Judy also tells detectives about 287 00:16:15,308 --> 00:16:17,475 A mysterious late-night phone call 288 00:16:17,552 --> 00:16:20,803 She received ten days ago. 289 00:16:20,814 --> 00:16:22,888 - Judy: It was at 1:30 in the morning. 290 00:16:22,965 --> 00:16:26,818 I happened to be awake, so I went and answered the phone. 291 00:16:26,894 --> 00:16:30,604 And at that time, I heard someone say 292 00:16:30,681 --> 00:16:32,407 Something like "die." 293 00:16:34,518 --> 00:16:37,778 Randy had heard the phone ring also, so he came out 294 00:16:37,855 --> 00:16:40,448 And he grabbed the phone from me. 295 00:16:40,524 --> 00:16:44,168 I heard him say on the phone, something about "mikey." 296 00:16:44,245 --> 00:16:47,246 Sh--uh, something mikey. 297 00:16:47,323 --> 00:16:50,332 - When they hung up, he said that was dana's brother, mikel, 298 00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:51,459 Who was calling. 299 00:16:53,496 --> 00:16:56,338 - I said, "what did he-- did he say something to you? 300 00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:59,467 What did he say?" and he did not tell me anything 301 00:16:59,543 --> 00:17:01,635 About what he heard on the phone. 302 00:17:01,712 --> 00:17:03,604 I think he just didn't wanna worry me. 303 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,476 - Jeffery: In that interview, she's thinking that 304 00:17:08,552 --> 00:17:12,772 Randy's murder had to do with the child custody dispute. 305 00:17:12,848 --> 00:17:14,648 You know, I mean, it's just too coincidental 306 00:17:14,725 --> 00:17:19,487 That they've had all these problems having visitation, 307 00:17:19,563 --> 00:17:21,363 And he's murdered on that same day 308 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:22,707 He's to pick up his daughter? 309 00:17:25,453 --> 00:17:27,870 - Narrator: Immediately after wrapping up with judy, 310 00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:30,214 Police receive a telling phone call 311 00:17:30,291 --> 00:17:32,717 From randy sheridan's attorney. 312 00:17:32,794 --> 00:17:36,337 - Jeffery: He thought I needed to investigate this church 313 00:17:36,413 --> 00:17:40,299 That, uh, randy sheridan's estranged girlfriend, 314 00:17:40,376 --> 00:17:43,010 Mother of his child, was involved in. 315 00:17:43,045 --> 00:17:46,347 - Narrator: A church run by a 54-year-old pastor 316 00:17:46,423 --> 00:17:48,724 Named jerry rollins. 317 00:17:48,735 --> 00:17:52,394 - Anthony: Apparently, randy had voiced concern 318 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:56,982 That the pastor of the church was trying to drive a wedge 319 00:17:57,059 --> 00:18:00,745 Between randy and his young daughter. 320 00:18:01,897 --> 00:18:05,699 - Jeffery: The attorney told me that he was very suspicious 321 00:18:05,776 --> 00:18:08,920 That the pastor is the one who 322 00:18:08,996 --> 00:18:12,840 Would have masterminded the death of his client. 323 00:18:14,118 --> 00:18:16,761 And he said, "I think that's who did it." 324 00:18:18,455 --> 00:18:21,432 - Narrator: Coming up, investigators piece together 325 00:18:21,509 --> 00:18:24,885 Randy's terrifying final moments. 326 00:18:24,962 --> 00:18:28,013 - Those first two blasts were from some distance, 327 00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:30,933 And the shotgun blasts get closer and closer. 328 00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:33,769 - Narrator: And police follow a litany of suspicions 329 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:35,729 And accusations. 330 00:18:35,764 --> 00:18:38,023 - When there's a murder in a small town, 331 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:40,401 That's huge, huge news. 332 00:18:40,477 --> 00:18:43,746 The rumors were flying very, very rampantly. 333 00:18:45,107 --> 00:18:47,959 - ♪ 334 00:18:57,620 --> 00:18:59,920 - Narrator: After speaking to judy junghans, 335 00:18:59,955 --> 00:19:03,632 Investigators now believe her partner, randy sheridan, 336 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:06,635 May have been murdered in connection with an ongoing 337 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:10,931 Custody battle with his former girlfriend, dana flynn. 338 00:19:10,966 --> 00:19:16,437 - Randy was involved in this very contentious custody battle, 339 00:19:16,513 --> 00:19:19,740 Detectives, of course, wanted to talk to dana. 340 00:19:22,978 --> 00:19:25,446 - Narrator: While detectives begin tracking down dana 341 00:19:25,481 --> 00:19:30,618 For questioning, randy's autopsy report comes in. 342 00:19:30,694 --> 00:19:33,787 - The forensics pathologist's determination was that randy 343 00:19:33,864 --> 00:19:36,457 Was originally shot from a moving vehicle 344 00:19:36,533 --> 00:19:38,959 By a 12-gauge shotgun. 345 00:19:39,036 --> 00:19:40,428 He was shot five times. 346 00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:45,466 - Beth: The injuries sustained included a major gunshot wound 347 00:19:45,542 --> 00:19:47,927 To his right wrist area, 348 00:19:48,003 --> 00:19:52,097 And that it had gone through his wrist into his chest wall. 349 00:19:52,174 --> 00:19:56,101 The second wound was to his back 350 00:19:56,178 --> 00:19:59,647 And both of those shots were likely fired 351 00:19:59,682 --> 00:20:01,616 At the height of a car door. 352 00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:08,364 - Anthony: And then the suspect got out of the vehicle, 353 00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:09,990 And just to make sure that he was dead 354 00:20:10,067 --> 00:20:12,660 And for that vengeance style killing, 355 00:20:12,736 --> 00:20:15,546 Got very close to him, point-blank range, 356 00:20:15,623 --> 00:20:17,840 And fired those two shots to the head. 357 00:20:20,795 --> 00:20:24,463 - Beth: This was the most heinous murder investigation. 358 00:20:24,540 --> 00:20:28,175 It was obviously an issue of overkill, 359 00:20:28,210 --> 00:20:31,720 Which of course indicates a strong emotional contact 360 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:33,940 Of some sort with the victim. 361 00:20:35,217 --> 00:20:38,477 - Narrator: The gruesome autopsy report leads detectives 362 00:20:38,554 --> 00:20:41,689 To an important piece of information. 363 00:20:41,765 --> 00:20:44,075 - According to the forensic pathologist, 364 00:20:44,151 --> 00:20:45,859 The shooter was in the passenger seat 365 00:20:45,894 --> 00:20:47,903 Of a moving vehicle, 366 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,830 And so someone else had to be driving. 367 00:20:50,941 --> 00:20:52,866 - Narrator: So far, investigators have 368 00:20:52,943 --> 00:20:55,202 Three potential suspects: 369 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:58,580 Randy sheridan's ex-girlfriend, dana flynn, 370 00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:02,042 Dana's brother, mikel dreiling, who investigators believe 371 00:21:02,077 --> 00:21:05,504 Had made a threatening call days before the murder, 372 00:21:05,581 --> 00:21:08,716 And dana's pastor, jerry rollins. 373 00:21:08,792 --> 00:21:10,884 - We immediately went to salina, kansas, 374 00:21:10,961 --> 00:21:12,436 To speak with the pastor. 375 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:19,560 When I first asked him where he was 376 00:21:19,636 --> 00:21:22,062 Around 3 o'clock that day, 377 00:21:22,139 --> 00:21:25,733 He reached into his pocket and pulled out a receipt 378 00:21:25,809 --> 00:21:28,110 From walmart that--where he had bought a toothbrush, 379 00:21:28,121 --> 00:21:29,737 As I recall. 380 00:21:29,813 --> 00:21:32,072 That was a little strange. 381 00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:37,244 - Police asked pastor rollins if they could search his home, 382 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:39,955 And he agreed to it. 383 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:44,752 One of the things they found were shotgun shells. 384 00:21:44,787 --> 00:21:46,962 12-gauge shotgun shells. 385 00:21:46,973 --> 00:21:49,965 And, again, it was determined that randy had been killed 386 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:52,018 By a 12-gauge shotgun. 387 00:21:53,837 --> 00:21:56,263 - When we asked him about, "where's the shotgun? 388 00:21:56,298 --> 00:21:58,816 You've got shells, where's the gun?" 389 00:21:58,893 --> 00:22:01,810 And he said that he had a son and that he had sold it 390 00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:03,195 Before he went to the navy. 391 00:22:06,141 --> 00:22:08,150 - Narrator: Police obtain contact information 392 00:22:08,161 --> 00:22:11,945 For jerry's son, david, and seize the shotgun shells 393 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:14,281 As evidence. 394 00:22:14,316 --> 00:22:17,284 - Jeffery: As soon as we were done at the pastor's house, 395 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:20,788 We immediately went down to dana flynn's house. 396 00:22:20,864 --> 00:22:22,757 As I recall, it was 1 in the morning. 397 00:22:24,326 --> 00:22:28,012 I sat down and spoke to her, she didn't appear shocked at all 398 00:22:28,089 --> 00:22:31,632 Or devastated that the father of her child had been murdered 399 00:22:31,667 --> 00:22:33,509 And gunned down, even though her daughter was to have 400 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,478 Gone to him that day. 401 00:22:36,713 --> 00:22:38,606 I said, "well, where were you today?" 402 00:22:39,883 --> 00:22:41,850 - Chris: Dana flynn admitted that she got a call 403 00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:46,313 From her lawyer, uh, that upset her, 404 00:22:46,348 --> 00:22:49,149 About noon on the day of the homicide. 405 00:22:49,226 --> 00:22:52,778 She advised her folks at work that she didn't feel well, 406 00:22:52,855 --> 00:22:54,163 And that she left work. 407 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:57,541 And she called her mother and told her mother 408 00:22:57,618 --> 00:23:00,252 To pick up her children after school. 409 00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:05,165 - Jeffery: She said she had gone to the gas station and got gas, 410 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,552 And then went immediately to her mother's house 411 00:23:08,629 --> 00:23:11,547 To stay there while she didn't feel good. 412 00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:13,715 And didn't leave until, I believe, 413 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:15,142 7 o'clock that evening. 414 00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:18,846 - Narrator: With dana's children still sleeping, 415 00:23:18,881 --> 00:23:21,974 Detectives ask her to come in for further questioning 416 00:23:22,050 --> 00:23:23,976 The next morning. 417 00:23:24,052 --> 00:23:26,186 - Jeffery: I said, "come in and take a polygraph 418 00:23:26,221 --> 00:23:31,733 "and let's get to the bottom, and, say, if you pass, hey, 419 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:34,069 "you know, you're able to take that polygraph and show that 420 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,697 You had no knowledge or no participation." 421 00:23:36,732 --> 00:23:39,658 And she said that she would like to do that. 422 00:23:39,735 --> 00:23:42,244 - Anthony: They had it all set up, but then they got a call 423 00:23:42,255 --> 00:23:45,589 From her lawyer that, "guess what? Dana wasn't gonna 424 00:23:45,666 --> 00:23:48,092 Show up and take that lie detector test." 425 00:23:49,595 --> 00:23:52,045 - Her attorney said that she would be making no statements 426 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,256 Or having any other conversations 427 00:23:54,267 --> 00:23:55,558 With law enforcement. 428 00:23:58,253 --> 00:24:00,387 - Narrator: After dana's change of heart, 429 00:24:00,464 --> 00:24:05,225 Detectives pivot their focus to her brother, mikel dreiling. 430 00:24:05,302 --> 00:24:08,061 - Randy sheridan received a threatening phone call 431 00:24:08,096 --> 00:24:10,114 To his residence on December 12, 432 00:24:10,191 --> 00:24:13,275 Which was 10 days before the murder. 433 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:17,070 - Randy told his wife it was mikel dreiling on the phone. 434 00:24:17,147 --> 00:24:18,789 - After randy's death, two days later, 435 00:24:18,866 --> 00:24:20,833 They--they showed up to my work to interview me. 436 00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:27,414 - They spoke to mikel and asked, "where were you this day?" 437 00:24:27,449 --> 00:24:30,301 And he said he had a knee injury 438 00:24:30,377 --> 00:24:32,761 And said that he had gone to stat care. 439 00:24:33,956 --> 00:24:35,756 - Anthony: Mikel told detectives 440 00:24:35,832 --> 00:24:38,091 That on the morning of December 22, 441 00:24:38,168 --> 00:24:42,095 He was home and then, later in the morning, 442 00:24:42,172 --> 00:24:46,150 His girlfriend took him to go visit dana. 443 00:24:46,227 --> 00:24:47,935 And after visiting with dana, 444 00:24:48,011 --> 00:24:52,940 He then headed to the doctor to get his knee checked out. 445 00:24:53,016 --> 00:24:54,658 - Narrator: Investigators quickly realize 446 00:24:54,735 --> 00:24:59,279 That mikel's story contradicts dana's alibi. 447 00:24:59,314 --> 00:25:02,333 - He said that he had seen dana at her house, 448 00:25:02,409 --> 00:25:05,827 But dana had said that she was at her mother's house. 449 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:08,297 How could she be two places at the same time? 450 00:25:12,869 --> 00:25:16,964 - He said he went at 4 o'clock in the afternoon 451 00:25:16,999 --> 00:25:18,799 To have his knee checked. 452 00:25:18,875 --> 00:25:22,686 We, of course, went to the care facility 453 00:25:22,763 --> 00:25:25,356 That he indicated, and their records indicated 454 00:25:25,432 --> 00:25:28,976 He didn't show up until 4:30 that day. 455 00:25:29,011 --> 00:25:33,313 He had more than enough time, driving the speed limit, 456 00:25:33,348 --> 00:25:37,150 To go from the murder scene to the care facility 457 00:25:37,185 --> 00:25:39,820 And arrive by 4:30. 458 00:25:39,855 --> 00:25:42,864 So, it appeared to me to be, you know, 459 00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:45,826 An attempt to come up with an alibi. 460 00:25:45,902 --> 00:25:49,004 That's when we knew we were on the right track. 461 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,709 - Narrator: Coming up, another family is torn apart 462 00:25:53,719 --> 00:25:55,836 In this small town. 463 00:25:55,912 --> 00:25:59,723 - His son looked at him and said, "you serve the devil." 464 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,176 And he knew that that could only come from one place. 465 00:26:03,211 --> 00:26:04,845 - Narrator: And the intimate details 466 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,223 Of a scandalous love affair are exposed. 467 00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:10,183 - Anthony: There was pastor rollins, 468 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:13,520 Partially clothed, and he said, "take it easy, dear. 469 00:26:13,597 --> 00:26:17,190 We're just praying. We're just praying together." 470 00:26:17,267 --> 00:26:19,526 - Mikel: My mother received flyers in her mailbox 471 00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:25,082 About jerry ordering some kind of sexual toys or products. 472 00:26:25,159 --> 00:26:28,168 - You can imagine what a stir that caused. 473 00:26:31,165 --> 00:26:34,008 - ♪ 474 00:26:43,251 --> 00:26:45,260 - Narrator: Detectives investigating the murder 475 00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:49,264 Of randy sheridan have just discovered inconsistencies 476 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:52,893 In the alibis of 31-year-old dana flynn 477 00:26:52,928 --> 00:26:56,280 And her 20-year-old brother, mikel dreiling. 478 00:26:56,357 --> 00:26:58,857 - There were indications they weren't being truthful 479 00:26:58,934 --> 00:27:00,025 About all of it. 480 00:27:00,102 --> 00:27:02,870 So it definitely put them in suspicion. 481 00:27:04,147 --> 00:27:07,199 - Narrator: Detectives decide to dig deeper into mikel 482 00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:09,451 And his sister dana. 483 00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:12,371 They start by contacting steve flynn, 484 00:27:12,447 --> 00:27:13,955 The father of dana's son 485 00:27:13,966 --> 00:27:17,926 And her husband from 1987 to 1989. 486 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,881 - Anthony: When detectives went to talk to steve flynn, 487 00:27:22,958 --> 00:27:27,811 He was very candid in saying that basically he was fighting 488 00:27:27,888 --> 00:27:32,933 Not only dana in regards to custody of their son, uh, 489 00:27:32,968 --> 00:27:34,559 But the whole family too, 490 00:27:34,636 --> 00:27:37,112 And felt like the whole family was ganging up. 491 00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:42,442 - Narrator: Steve flynn tells police that he and randy 492 00:27:42,477 --> 00:27:46,780 Had actually been in contact the past several months. 493 00:27:46,857 --> 00:27:49,783 - They discovered that there were things in common 494 00:27:49,818 --> 00:27:51,993 With the visitation 495 00:27:52,004 --> 00:27:54,913 And what was happening, you know, with the children. 496 00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:58,333 - Steve and randy actually became quite close, 497 00:27:58,344 --> 00:28:01,253 Because they both found themselves 498 00:28:01,329 --> 00:28:05,257 In similar circumstances: Fighting dana, 499 00:28:05,333 --> 00:28:09,428 Fighting her family, and fighting pastor rollins. 500 00:28:09,504 --> 00:28:13,807 - Dana and her whole family had joined this church. 501 00:28:13,842 --> 00:28:17,486 Steve, as I understood, quit going to the church. 502 00:28:19,389 --> 00:28:21,440 - Narrator: Steve tells detectives he feared 503 00:28:21,516 --> 00:28:26,036 Dana was getting a bit too involved in the church. 504 00:28:26,113 --> 00:28:27,946 - Chris: There was a concern in the underlying 505 00:28:28,023 --> 00:28:30,949 Child custody matter that the pastor 506 00:28:31,026 --> 00:28:34,995 Was having a negative influence on the children, 507 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:37,381 In teaching that their-- their fathers, 508 00:28:37,458 --> 00:28:40,000 Who were involved in trying to get visitation, 509 00:28:40,035 --> 00:28:42,961 Were evil or somehow served the devil. 510 00:28:43,038 --> 00:28:47,057 - Robert: Dana began withholding ashley 511 00:28:47,134 --> 00:28:50,469 From some of the visitation with randy. 512 00:28:50,545 --> 00:28:54,139 Before long, ashley began changing 513 00:28:54,216 --> 00:28:59,027 From a happy little girl to someone who would tremble... 514 00:29:00,388 --> 00:29:01,822 In our presence. 515 00:29:03,225 --> 00:29:08,153 - Steve knew things had gotten really, really bad 516 00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:10,414 When he went to go get his son, 517 00:29:10,491 --> 00:29:15,368 And his son looked at him and said, "you serve the devil." 518 00:29:15,445 --> 00:29:19,206 And he knew that that could only come from one place. 519 00:29:19,241 --> 00:29:23,210 - Jeffery: It all seemed to stem from church activities, 520 00:29:23,245 --> 00:29:26,388 That was where it all appeared to begin and end. 521 00:29:27,582 --> 00:29:30,258 - Narrator: Hoping to learn more about the inner workings 522 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:32,269 Of the fountain of life church, 523 00:29:32,346 --> 00:29:34,012 Investigators pay a visit 524 00:29:34,089 --> 00:29:38,016 To pastor jerry rollins' ex-wife. 525 00:29:38,093 --> 00:29:42,562 - Anthony: She played a big, big role in detailing 526 00:29:42,597 --> 00:29:47,025 The relationship that she believed had been ongoing 527 00:29:47,102 --> 00:29:50,954 Between her husband and dana for quite a while, 528 00:29:51,031 --> 00:29:54,291 Beginning back in 1989. 529 00:29:54,368 --> 00:29:57,077 - Jeffery: After dana had broke up with her husband, 530 00:29:57,112 --> 00:30:00,047 Dana moved in with the pastor and his wife. 531 00:30:01,449 --> 00:30:04,918 At one point, his wife woke up early in the morning 532 00:30:04,995 --> 00:30:07,379 And didn't find her husband in bed. 533 00:30:07,455 --> 00:30:11,049 She went to walk around the house, didn't find him. 534 00:30:11,126 --> 00:30:13,977 Went over to the bedroom of dana, knocked on the door, 535 00:30:14,054 --> 00:30:15,479 And said, "is the pastor in there?" 536 00:30:15,556 --> 00:30:18,431 And she said, "no, I think he's outside." 537 00:30:18,466 --> 00:30:21,434 She then went outside, checked outside the house 538 00:30:21,511 --> 00:30:24,271 For her husband, didn't find him. 539 00:30:24,306 --> 00:30:27,065 - Anthony: She raced down to dana's room, 540 00:30:27,142 --> 00:30:31,945 She opened the door, and there was pastor rollins... 541 00:30:32,022 --> 00:30:33,455 Partially clothed. 542 00:30:35,483 --> 00:30:38,168 And of course, his wife said, "what's going on here?" 543 00:30:38,245 --> 00:30:40,170 And he said, "take it easy, dear. 544 00:30:40,247 --> 00:30:43,340 We're just praying. We're just praying together." 545 00:30:47,495 --> 00:30:49,754 - Chris: Jerry rollins' wife was concerned about them 546 00:30:49,831 --> 00:30:53,425 Having a relationship, and then she found a receipt 547 00:30:53,501 --> 00:30:57,437 From an adult mail-order company called adam and eve. 548 00:30:59,507 --> 00:31:04,436 - The receipt was for sex toys that were sent to dana 549 00:31:04,512 --> 00:31:05,988 From her husband. 550 00:31:09,184 --> 00:31:12,369 She left her husband after that incident. 551 00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:16,489 - Narrator: Jerry rollins' ex-wife tells investigators 552 00:31:16,566 --> 00:31:18,992 That she gave the receipt to her lawyer, 553 00:31:19,027 --> 00:31:24,164 Who passed it on to steve flynn and, ultimately, randy sheridan. 554 00:31:24,199 --> 00:31:29,169 - Randy sheridan then took this mail-order receipt 555 00:31:29,245 --> 00:31:33,632 That he had with jerry rollins' name on it and dana's name on it 556 00:31:33,708 --> 00:31:36,217 And he made a bunch of copies of it. 557 00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:42,015 And then he mailed that out to church members. 558 00:31:42,092 --> 00:31:44,225 - Mikel: At some point, my mother received flyers 559 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:47,646 In her mailbox about jerry ordering some kind 560 00:31:47,722 --> 00:31:52,150 Of sexual toys or products for him and dana 561 00:31:52,227 --> 00:31:56,237 With his credit card and in her name, mailed to her. 562 00:31:56,248 --> 00:31:59,082 I remember family members defending dana strongly 563 00:31:59,159 --> 00:32:01,201 And thinking that it--it couldn't have been 564 00:32:01,236 --> 00:32:02,702 What it appeared to be. 565 00:32:02,779 --> 00:32:05,672 - You can imagine what a stir that caused. 566 00:32:08,243 --> 00:32:11,252 - Narrator: Coming up, detectives uncover a hotbed 567 00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:14,089 Of cover-up and corruption. 568 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,424 - People closed ranks. People were not cooperating. 569 00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:20,053 - Narrator: And a dark conspiracy comes to light. 570 00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:24,107 - Randy was demonized more and more as time went on. 571 00:32:24,184 --> 00:32:26,777 - Chris: It did seem to indicate to us that jerry rollins 572 00:32:26,853 --> 00:32:29,562 Did have some control over people. 573 00:32:29,597 --> 00:32:31,698 - I would call him a very evil man. 574 00:32:34,194 --> 00:32:37,204 - ♪ 575 00:32:41,642 --> 00:32:44,378 - ♪ 576 00:32:47,323 --> 00:32:49,249 - Narrator: Police in junction city, kansas, 577 00:32:49,325 --> 00:32:52,377 Have decided to center their murder investigation 578 00:32:52,454 --> 00:32:57,590 Around dana flynn's pastor, jerry rollins. 579 00:32:57,625 --> 00:33:00,477 - Jeffery: There were suspicions that it was the pastor 580 00:33:00,554 --> 00:33:03,480 Who was involved because they suspected that 581 00:33:03,557 --> 00:33:08,476 There was an affair going on between the pastor and dana. 582 00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:10,645 - It was also very curious that we did know it was 583 00:33:10,656 --> 00:33:13,106 A 12-gauge shotgun involved in the murder, 584 00:33:13,141 --> 00:33:16,493 And we knew jerry rollins had 12-gauge shotgun shells. 585 00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:20,780 - Pastor rollins had said that one of his sons had sold 586 00:33:20,857 --> 00:33:26,128 A--a 12-gauge shotgun prior to entering the navy. 587 00:33:28,915 --> 00:33:31,791 - Narrator: On December 28, 1992, 588 00:33:31,826 --> 00:33:34,753 Less than a week after randy's body was found, 589 00:33:34,829 --> 00:33:38,673 Detectives turn their attention to pastor rollins' son, david, 590 00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:40,183 For clarity. 591 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:43,595 - I contacted naval investigative services 592 00:33:43,671 --> 00:33:46,189 And asked them to question him 593 00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:48,275 About the location of that shotgun. 594 00:33:49,844 --> 00:33:52,863 - His story changed minute by minute. 595 00:33:52,939 --> 00:33:56,316 He sold the gun. No, he didn't sell the gun. 596 00:33:56,351 --> 00:33:59,652 And then basic--basically said he didn't know 597 00:33:59,729 --> 00:34:01,204 Where the gun was. 598 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:06,159 - Narrator: Though david's demeanor is suspicious, 599 00:34:06,236 --> 00:34:10,371 Detectives are forced to take another approach. 600 00:34:10,382 --> 00:34:12,549 In February 1993, 601 00:34:12,626 --> 00:34:15,293 After working the case for 2 months, 602 00:34:15,370 --> 00:34:20,548 Investigators take a closer look at the fountain of life church. 603 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,393 - Jeffery: We wanted to find out what was going on in the church. 604 00:34:23,470 --> 00:34:26,304 Were there discussions of any magnitude 605 00:34:26,381 --> 00:34:28,807 That would indicate conspiracy to commit murder? 606 00:34:28,883 --> 00:34:32,310 We began to interview everyone we could find that had been-- 607 00:34:32,387 --> 00:34:34,854 At least attended church there or was-- 608 00:34:34,889 --> 00:34:37,565 Had been a regular member. 609 00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:40,235 - Chris: People closed ranks. People were not cooperating. 610 00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:43,238 It very much turned into a dead end when we talked 611 00:34:43,248 --> 00:34:47,367 To church members, except it did seem to indicate 612 00:34:47,443 --> 00:34:52,172 To us that jerry rollins did have some control over people. 613 00:34:55,743 --> 00:34:58,211 - Narrator: But those who recently left the church 614 00:34:58,288 --> 00:35:01,381 Following the pastor's shocking affair scandal 615 00:35:01,457 --> 00:35:03,767 Are more forthcoming. 616 00:35:03,844 --> 00:35:06,344 - We learned that there were several prophecies 617 00:35:06,421 --> 00:35:08,596 From jerry rollins. 618 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:14,277 Uh, one was that, uh, randy sheridan was evil, 619 00:35:14,354 --> 00:35:16,563 And that god should, uh-- they would pray 620 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:18,773 That god would intervene. 621 00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:22,786 - Pastor rollins had prophesied that it was god's will 622 00:35:22,863 --> 00:35:28,333 For randy not to, uh, see his daughter. 623 00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:31,962 - It's hard to understand, I guess, unless you are part 624 00:35:32,038 --> 00:35:34,297 Of that, or of-- of that mindset. 625 00:35:34,374 --> 00:35:37,876 Basically, it's-- it's like a cult situation. 626 00:35:37,952 --> 00:35:40,545 - Jeffery: The indications of a cult are separation, 627 00:35:40,622 --> 00:35:43,640 Trying to get people separated, you know, 628 00:35:43,717 --> 00:35:47,260 From their past loved ones and moving 'em apart, 629 00:35:47,337 --> 00:35:49,721 And this was all part of that. 630 00:35:49,797 --> 00:35:53,441 - Randy was demonized more and more as time went on. 631 00:35:55,061 --> 00:35:57,988 That created, I think, 632 00:35:58,064 --> 00:36:01,441 A--a thought in people's minds that he was less than human. 633 00:36:01,476 --> 00:36:04,327 Or if something were to happen, it really wouldn't be a loss. 634 00:36:04,404 --> 00:36:06,413 It really--it really wouldn't affect people. 635 00:36:09,651 --> 00:36:12,744 - Narrator: After interviewing ex-followers of the church, 636 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:15,496 Investigators wonder just how far 637 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:18,666 Pastor rollins' influence had reached. 638 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:20,677 Reviewing old police reports, 639 00:36:20,754 --> 00:36:24,422 Detectives discover a history of demonizing allegations 640 00:36:24,499 --> 00:36:26,758 Against randy that seem to echo 641 00:36:26,834 --> 00:36:30,353 The pastor's so-called prophecies. 642 00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:34,024 - Beth: In 1989, dana flynn came to the geary county 643 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,026 Sheriff's department and made a report 644 00:36:36,102 --> 00:36:40,030 To one of our detectives, alleging that randall sheridan 645 00:36:40,106 --> 00:36:43,483 Had been molesting his daughter ashley. 646 00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,860 - Jeffery: These allegations, they had been investigated 647 00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:48,321 By the sheriff's office, they had been investigated 648 00:36:48,398 --> 00:36:53,376 By kansas srs-- social rehabilitative services-- 649 00:36:53,453 --> 00:36:57,956 And no one had found any indication of an actual 650 00:36:58,032 --> 00:37:00,926 Sexual or child molestation having occurred. 651 00:37:02,704 --> 00:37:05,838 - The evaluators were concerned that there was coaching going on 652 00:37:05,873 --> 00:37:07,799 With the child, 653 00:37:07,875 --> 00:37:09,968 And that the allegations and the manner in which 654 00:37:10,044 --> 00:37:12,804 They were being made was done in an effort by dana 655 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,358 To try to gain an advantage in the child custody dispute. 656 00:37:18,645 --> 00:37:22,021 - Judy: Dana didn't want him to have shared custody. 657 00:37:22,056 --> 00:37:25,525 She did not want him to have any influence over her daughter, 658 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,862 And this was a way to have that, uh, come to be. 659 00:37:29,939 --> 00:37:31,623 It was very disturbing. 660 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,752 - There was a very important court hearing that was going 661 00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:38,746 To be taking place just before the day he was murdered, 662 00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:43,084 Where it was likely that she might lose custody of her child 663 00:37:43,095 --> 00:37:45,503 Because she was refusing visitation. 664 00:37:45,580 --> 00:37:48,881 She did not want to attend or have that hearing take place, 665 00:37:48,916 --> 00:37:51,509 So she obtained a continuance. 666 00:37:51,586 --> 00:37:54,846 There was clearly motive in this case 667 00:37:54,922 --> 00:37:59,442 For randy sheridan to be killed by dana flynn. 668 00:38:00,762 --> 00:38:02,854 - Narrator: Although investigators have established 669 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:06,116 A motive and a suspicious pattern of behavior, 670 00:38:06,192 --> 00:38:08,952 They still don't have any physical evidence 671 00:38:09,029 --> 00:38:12,864 That dana flynn murdered randy sheridan. 672 00:38:12,940 --> 00:38:17,076 - People want physical evidence that links someone specifically 673 00:38:17,111 --> 00:38:20,913 To that scene, specifically at that point in time, 674 00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:22,799 Or they want a confession. 675 00:38:22,876 --> 00:38:24,617 And we had none of those. 676 00:38:27,663 --> 00:38:32,592 - Narrator: The case languishes on for nearly two years. 677 00:38:32,627 --> 00:38:36,596 - Jeffery: We investigated well over a hundred and some people. 678 00:38:36,672 --> 00:38:39,724 You know, thousands of pages of reports. 679 00:38:39,801 --> 00:38:42,727 We had to investigate everything that came up. 680 00:38:42,804 --> 00:38:44,896 - Chris: You always have a risk in these kind of cases 681 00:38:44,972 --> 00:38:47,065 Of when you go forward, you know, 682 00:38:47,141 --> 00:38:49,650 "have we got enough evidence now or do we need to continue 683 00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:52,829 The investigation for an additional period of time?" 684 00:38:52,906 --> 00:38:56,449 - When you know who is responsible, but the time 685 00:38:56,484 --> 00:38:58,451 That it takes for the investigation 686 00:38:58,486 --> 00:39:02,622 And for that to finally, uh, be resolved, 687 00:39:02,657 --> 00:39:04,665 It's very frustrating. 688 00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:08,053 - Narrator: But a phone call is about to change everything. 689 00:39:09,664 --> 00:39:12,465 - Anthony: A witness came forward and told detectives 690 00:39:12,542 --> 00:39:15,593 That on 5 p.M. The day of the murder, 691 00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:19,597 That she saw dana going through a salina carwash 692 00:39:19,674 --> 00:39:22,776 Not once, but twice. 693 00:39:25,605 --> 00:39:26,813 - Narrator: Coming up, 694 00:39:26,848 --> 00:39:30,533 A calculated plot rises to the surface. 695 00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:32,610 - There was sufficient time to commit the murder 696 00:39:32,687 --> 00:39:36,989 That afternoon and be able to get back to salina in time. 697 00:39:37,024 --> 00:39:41,953 - She wanted her way, and it didn't matter how she got it. 698 00:39:42,029 --> 00:39:43,955 - Narrator: And in an exclusive interview, 699 00:39:44,031 --> 00:39:48,218 A killer tells all for the very first time. 700 00:39:48,294 --> 00:39:52,004 - Judy: I still would be interested to know basically 701 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,557 Just what happened. 702 00:39:54,634 --> 00:39:56,476 The story behind the story. 703 00:39:59,213 --> 00:40:02,107 - ♪ 704 00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:09,531 - ♪ 705 00:40:11,726 --> 00:40:14,861 - Narrator: After nearly two years of investigation, 706 00:40:14,896 --> 00:40:17,905 Detectives in geary county, kansas, finally have 707 00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:21,701 The break they need in their case against dana flynn 708 00:40:21,736 --> 00:40:25,663 For the murder of her ex-boyfriend, randy sheridan. 709 00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:27,924 - Chris: One of the members of the church who was no longer 710 00:40:28,001 --> 00:40:31,169 Attending the church observed dana flynn going 711 00:40:31,245 --> 00:40:35,047 Through a carwash twice on a day when she's supposedly 712 00:40:35,082 --> 00:40:38,259 Too upset and sick to pick up her kids. 713 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:42,180 Law enforcement actually drove the route from 714 00:40:42,256 --> 00:40:46,225 Where they believe dana and mikel would have been, 715 00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:50,229 To, uh, the scene where the murder took place, 716 00:40:50,306 --> 00:40:52,949 And they did that a couple different ways. 717 00:40:53,026 --> 00:40:55,943 Either of the routes would have provided sufficient time 718 00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:58,571 To commit the murder that afternoon and be able 719 00:40:58,648 --> 00:41:02,742 To get back to salina in time for dana to have been seen 720 00:41:02,818 --> 00:41:05,545 Washing her car at the car wash. 721 00:41:08,208 --> 00:41:10,708 - Anthony: Detectives never let up on this case, 722 00:41:10,785 --> 00:41:14,587 They worked tirelessly to bring the people responsible 723 00:41:14,664 --> 00:41:17,640 For this brutal killing to justice. 724 00:41:17,717 --> 00:41:18,825 - Chris: Finally there's enough evidence. 725 00:41:18,901 --> 00:41:23,763 On October 18 of 1994, the geary county grand jury 726 00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:28,100 Indicted jerry rollins, dana flynn and mikel dreiling 727 00:41:28,135 --> 00:41:29,644 For first degree murder, 728 00:41:29,654 --> 00:41:31,729 Conspiracy to commit first degree murder, 729 00:41:31,806 --> 00:41:33,323 And conspiracy to commit perjury. 730 00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:38,161 Dana flynn had a very close relationship with her brother. 731 00:41:38,238 --> 00:41:41,155 There was specific evidence that he had made a threatening 732 00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:45,168 Phone call to randy ten days before the homicide. 733 00:41:46,171 --> 00:41:49,747 We also have him admitting to having contact 734 00:41:49,824 --> 00:41:54,293 With his sister the afternoon that the murder took place. 735 00:41:54,328 --> 00:41:57,964 And then we also have the false alibi evidence. 736 00:41:57,999 --> 00:42:00,132 He was basically playing the role 737 00:42:00,167 --> 00:42:04,011 Of the heavy in helping dana. 738 00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:06,847 - Robert: When they were going to arraign them, 739 00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:11,269 I came over and was standing outside and watched 'em 740 00:42:11,345 --> 00:42:15,189 File from the jail into the courthouse. 741 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,192 I guess that was part of my way of still trying 742 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:21,621 To take care of my-- [crying]--brother. 743 00:42:25,192 --> 00:42:26,993 - Chris: Pastor rollins entered an alford plea, 744 00:42:27,028 --> 00:42:32,665 Which is basically to say, "I am not admitting guilt, 745 00:42:32,742 --> 00:42:34,375 "but I recognize that there's enough evidence 746 00:42:34,386 --> 00:42:37,295 "if I went forward on these charges I'm pleading to, 747 00:42:37,371 --> 00:42:39,714 That I could be convicted." 748 00:42:39,724 --> 00:42:43,134 - He served, I believe, maybe four months' 749 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:46,104 Jail time for his participation. 750 00:42:47,882 --> 00:42:50,733 - Anthony: One could easily argue that pastor rollins 751 00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:53,236 Deserved a lot more time, 752 00:42:53,313 --> 00:42:57,189 Because it seemed that he was very, very influential 753 00:42:57,224 --> 00:42:59,233 In this case. 754 00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:04,247 - Pastor rollins was an individual who, in my words, 755 00:43:04,324 --> 00:43:06,749 I would call him a very evil man. 756 00:43:09,278 --> 00:43:11,329 - Narrator: In August 1996, 757 00:43:11,405 --> 00:43:15,091 Siblings dana flynn and mikel dreiling go on trial 758 00:43:15,168 --> 00:43:18,878 For first-degree premeditated murder. 759 00:43:18,913 --> 00:43:21,380 - Chris: As a prosecutor, we often have cases 760 00:43:21,415 --> 00:43:24,008 That you look at and you say that, you know, 761 00:43:24,085 --> 00:43:29,347 In many ways, true life is so much stranger than fiction. 762 00:43:29,423 --> 00:43:32,725 - Anthony: Think about it: You had church scandal, 763 00:43:32,802 --> 00:43:35,394 You had an affair with a pastor, 764 00:43:35,471 --> 00:43:38,064 You had child custody issues, 765 00:43:38,099 --> 00:43:42,902 You had sex, you had adult sex toys. 766 00:43:42,937 --> 00:43:45,196 - The pastor and dana have always maintained 767 00:43:45,272 --> 00:43:48,449 That they never had a relationship whatsoever, 768 00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:51,294 Other than parishioner and pastor. 769 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,374 This was a, you know, complicated case, 770 00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:58,301 Because it was circumstantial, 771 00:43:58,378 --> 00:44:00,720 And you had to show every angle. 772 00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:07,468 - Chris: What we had was a-- a very detailed timeline 773 00:44:07,479 --> 00:44:13,316 For the jury, to show them how things were building 774 00:44:13,393 --> 00:44:16,435 Towards the event that occurred here. 775 00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:19,397 Our inference all along was that dana was the driver 776 00:44:19,473 --> 00:44:22,066 And mikel was the shooter. 777 00:44:22,143 --> 00:44:26,829 That was the circumstantial case that we argued to the jury. 778 00:44:26,906 --> 00:44:30,074 - Anthony: Dana's alibi turned out to be very shaky, 779 00:44:30,151 --> 00:44:33,002 How she said she was at her mom's house, 780 00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,454 But then a--a witness sees her 781 00:44:35,489 --> 00:44:38,082 Going through the car wash twice. 782 00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:41,502 Mikel's alibi was very shaky. 783 00:44:41,513 --> 00:44:44,338 And of course, there was also the issue 784 00:44:44,349 --> 00:44:46,966 Of the 12-gauge shotgun shells 785 00:44:47,001 --> 00:44:49,510 Found inside the rollins residence, 786 00:44:49,521 --> 00:44:53,139 And we know that randy sheridan was killed 787 00:44:53,215 --> 00:44:57,351 With a 12-gauge shotgun, but nobody in the rollins family 788 00:44:57,362 --> 00:45:01,114 Could ever say what happened to that gun. 789 00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:04,358 - Narrator: All told, the prosecution builds 790 00:45:04,369 --> 00:45:06,277 A solid argument. 791 00:45:06,353 --> 00:45:08,487 - The jury was only out a matter of hours 792 00:45:08,564 --> 00:45:09,989 Before they reached a verdict, 793 00:45:10,065 --> 00:45:12,950 And I think it was very clear to them 794 00:45:13,027 --> 00:45:15,878 What took place in this particular case. 795 00:45:15,955 --> 00:45:17,130 - They were found guilty. 796 00:45:19,033 --> 00:45:22,001 And it was, like, such a relief. 797 00:45:22,077 --> 00:45:25,129 - Narrator: On January 27, 1997, 798 00:45:25,206 --> 00:45:28,883 Dana flynn and mikel dreiling are both sentenced 799 00:45:28,893 --> 00:45:30,468 To life in prison. 800 00:45:30,544 --> 00:45:34,013 Still, they maintain their innocence. 801 00:45:34,048 --> 00:45:38,893 - Dana, mikel, and the pastor never confessed to any crimes. 802 00:45:38,903 --> 00:45:42,313 Uh, they said that they'd gotten the wrong people 803 00:45:42,389 --> 00:45:44,982 And remained very, very steadfast 804 00:45:45,059 --> 00:45:46,159 In their innocence. 805 00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:51,414 - I think that she wanted her way, 806 00:45:51,491 --> 00:45:53,240 And it didn't matter how she got it. 807 00:45:53,251 --> 00:45:57,495 This was the easiest way for her to get full custody 808 00:45:57,571 --> 00:45:58,921 And get rid of randy. 809 00:46:03,244 --> 00:46:05,377 - Narrator: It's been 27 long years 810 00:46:05,454 --> 00:46:07,588 Since randy's horrific death, 811 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:12,384 And those close to the case still seek answers. 812 00:46:12,419 --> 00:46:16,055 - There are a lot of unanswered questions in this case. 813 00:46:16,131 --> 00:46:21,027 We don't know who the shooter or shooters were for certain. 814 00:46:22,429 --> 00:46:25,231 - We had no specific evidence of how the murder 815 00:46:25,307 --> 00:46:27,283 Actually took place, other than the inferences 816 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,111 That were made from the autopsy report and what we saw 817 00:46:31,122 --> 00:46:33,531 At the scene of the crime. 818 00:46:33,607 --> 00:46:37,543 - Judy: It would be very, very good if... 819 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,916 Either mike or dana were able to come forward 820 00:46:43,951 --> 00:46:45,918 And explain what happened, 821 00:46:45,953 --> 00:46:49,380 And bring kind of closure for the family. 822 00:46:49,456 --> 00:46:54,218 It would be very good to hear, just, for instance, 823 00:46:54,295 --> 00:46:57,146 How much jerry rollins had to do with this. 824 00:47:00,342 --> 00:47:04,320 - Narrator: Coming up, after 27 years of waiting, 825 00:47:04,397 --> 00:47:07,990 Randy's family hears mikel dreiling speak out 826 00:47:08,067 --> 00:47:09,650 For the first time. 827 00:47:09,661 --> 00:47:11,610 - It's hard to come to terms with it when you've done 828 00:47:11,687 --> 00:47:13,404 Something like this, to-- to be honest and have to tell 829 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,656 The truth about it, because nobody wants to admit 830 00:47:15,667 --> 00:47:18,417 Doing something like this, but it's the truth. 831 00:47:19,412 --> 00:47:20,586 - [gunshot] 832 00:47:22,156 --> 00:47:25,091 - ♪ 833 00:47:29,662 --> 00:47:32,348 - ♪ 834 00:47:45,554 --> 00:47:49,356 - Narrator: In 1996, 24-year-old mikel dreiling 835 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:53,652 Was convicted for the brutal murder of randy sheridan. 836 00:47:53,687 --> 00:47:59,325 On October 16, 2019, he was released on parole. 837 00:47:59,401 --> 00:48:02,202 After 23 years behind bars, 838 00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:07,166 He has decided to tell his story for the first time. 839 00:48:07,201 --> 00:48:10,177 - There is no way to, um... 840 00:48:11,205 --> 00:48:14,465 For this to be a positive experience for me. 841 00:48:14,541 --> 00:48:18,052 Except if someone else gets something out of it. 842 00:48:18,062 --> 00:48:20,679 And someone else being the victim's family. 843 00:48:20,714 --> 00:48:22,732 I know it doesn't--obviously doesn't change a thing, 844 00:48:22,808 --> 00:48:26,685 Or probably bring a whole lot of, uh, comfort, 845 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,740 But maybe at least knowing some things might help. 846 00:48:30,816 --> 00:48:34,068 - Narrator: Now, mikel shares the details of the crime 847 00:48:34,078 --> 00:48:37,622 He committed, and starts at the very beginning. 848 00:48:40,401 --> 00:48:42,159 - Mikel: I was in the military, ended up having surgery 849 00:48:42,236 --> 00:48:44,161 While I was in. 850 00:48:44,238 --> 00:48:49,500 And was medically discharged, and I end up coming home... 851 00:48:49,576 --> 00:48:53,170 I wanna say in April of 1991. 852 00:48:53,247 --> 00:48:56,140 When I say home to--that was salina, kansas, at that time. 853 00:48:57,343 --> 00:49:00,427 - Narrator: Once back at home, he found a new sense of purpose 854 00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:03,439 In his family's church, a pentecostal parish 855 00:49:03,516 --> 00:49:06,067 Led by pastor jerry rollins. 856 00:49:07,761 --> 00:49:11,689 - Mikel: Jerry was charismatic and I think he definitely 857 00:49:11,765 --> 00:49:16,619 Cultivated an atmosphere of...Everybody was special, 858 00:49:16,696 --> 00:49:21,115 Um, that we were chosen, chosen people. 859 00:49:21,125 --> 00:49:23,417 He made people feel special and unique. 860 00:49:25,779 --> 00:49:28,414 - Narrator: By the time mikel joined the congregation, 861 00:49:28,449 --> 00:49:32,084 Pastor rollins had already taken a special interest 862 00:49:32,161 --> 00:49:34,420 In mikel's sister, dana. 863 00:49:34,496 --> 00:49:35,638 - Mikel: He would just talk her up. 864 00:49:35,715 --> 00:49:38,549 Like, just compliment her, over the top. 865 00:49:38,625 --> 00:49:40,643 And she would do the same thing back to him. 866 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,264 I can see the indicators now that it was more than just 867 00:49:45,299 --> 00:49:48,693 A pastor-parishioner relationship. 868 00:49:51,638 --> 00:49:55,107 - Narrator: In 1989, jerry began counseling dana 869 00:49:55,142 --> 00:49:58,485 About her struggle with ex-boyfriend, randy sheridan, 870 00:49:58,496 --> 00:50:01,280 Over their daughter ashley. 871 00:50:01,315 --> 00:50:03,282 - Jeffery: Jerry's wife had actually overheard 872 00:50:03,317 --> 00:50:07,336 A conversation with dana's daughter 873 00:50:07,413 --> 00:50:10,497 And her husband, the pastor, speaking. 874 00:50:10,508 --> 00:50:13,125 At the end of that conversation, 875 00:50:13,202 --> 00:50:16,795 He came and told everyone that she revealed to him 876 00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:19,473 That she had been sexually molested by her father. 877 00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:22,801 And she goes, "I listened to the whole conversation, 878 00:50:22,836 --> 00:50:26,513 I was keeping my ears in, wondering what's going on," 879 00:50:26,524 --> 00:50:29,191 And she said, "she never mentioned anything like that." 880 00:50:32,513 --> 00:50:34,646 - Narrator: By the fall of 1992, 881 00:50:34,681 --> 00:50:38,150 As dana's custody battle with randy languished, 882 00:50:38,185 --> 00:50:42,538 Mikel says dana made a plan of her own. 883 00:50:42,615 --> 00:50:44,782 - Mike: Late October, dana calls me and asks me 884 00:50:44,858 --> 00:50:49,620 If I can come over and show her how to shoot this--this gun, 885 00:50:49,696 --> 00:50:54,958 Because she had supposedly experienced some, 886 00:50:55,035 --> 00:50:57,628 Uh, potential break-ins, 887 00:50:57,704 --> 00:50:59,797 People prowling around the property at night. 888 00:50:59,873 --> 00:51:03,509 She wanted to be able to defend herself. 889 00:51:03,544 --> 00:51:05,469 We went out to the country and I, you know, 890 00:51:05,546 --> 00:51:08,347 We loaded the gun, I showed her how to, you know, shoot it, 891 00:51:08,423 --> 00:51:10,232 So she shot it a few times. 892 00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:12,568 - [gunshot] 893 00:51:12,645 --> 00:51:14,403 - The weapon was jerry's. 894 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,188 I don't know where he got it, but it was his 895 00:51:16,265 --> 00:51:19,241 That he had given to dana and I to use. 896 00:51:19,318 --> 00:51:22,653 I couldn't know for sure, but it might've been the plan 897 00:51:22,729 --> 00:51:25,247 For her to kill him by herself. 898 00:51:25,324 --> 00:51:28,250 And then they adapted the plan, or changed it at some point, 899 00:51:28,327 --> 00:51:29,335 And included me. 900 00:51:30,737 --> 00:51:34,373 Dana had several conversations with me 901 00:51:34,449 --> 00:51:38,585 About randy sexually abusing ashley. 902 00:51:38,596 --> 00:51:41,263 I think she wanted to reinforce that idea with me, 903 00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:43,382 And keep reinforcing it a few times, 904 00:51:43,458 --> 00:51:47,553 To where it would build up and finally, you know, 905 00:51:47,629 --> 00:51:50,389 It would make me feel like something had to be done. 906 00:51:50,465 --> 00:51:53,275 Dana wanted to kill randy. 907 00:51:53,352 --> 00:51:56,687 That was the solution to her problem with ashley 908 00:51:56,763 --> 00:52:00,783 Being molested-- or supposedly being molested. 909 00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:03,636 I was complete and totally surprised. 910 00:52:06,624 --> 00:52:10,367 Because it seemed to contradict the religious teachings 911 00:52:10,444 --> 00:52:12,870 That we were, you know-- 912 00:52:12,946 --> 00:52:15,631 Were trying to observe in church. 913 00:52:15,708 --> 00:52:18,300 I--I was conflicted. 914 00:52:18,377 --> 00:52:20,919 I didn't know what was right or what was wrong. 915 00:52:20,954 --> 00:52:23,213 She seemed to justify that 916 00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:26,216 Because of ashley's life was at stake. 917 00:52:26,293 --> 00:52:28,802 I had a contradiction inside of me trying to determine 918 00:52:28,813 --> 00:52:31,730 What really was gonna be the right course of action. 919 00:52:32,966 --> 00:52:34,933 - Narrator: Torn by his sister's request, 920 00:52:34,968 --> 00:52:38,729 Mikel says he turned to the one person he was sure 921 00:52:38,805 --> 00:52:40,397 He could trust. 922 00:52:40,474 --> 00:52:43,650 - I sought the counsel of jerry rollins. 923 00:52:43,661 --> 00:52:44,976 I arranged to meet with him 924 00:52:45,012 --> 00:52:47,997 And have a private conversation with him, without dana there. 925 00:52:48,073 --> 00:52:49,615 He said, "let's--let's pray about it." 926 00:52:49,691 --> 00:52:53,452 So, he--you know, we prayed. 927 00:52:53,487 --> 00:52:55,504 And when we finished, he just said, 928 00:52:55,581 --> 00:52:57,339 "you know, brother mike," he goes, 929 00:52:57,416 --> 00:52:59,917 "in all my years in the ministry, 930 00:52:59,993 --> 00:53:02,961 "I've never come across this-- this situation 931 00:53:02,996 --> 00:53:07,299 "or these circumstances, but I believe god wants this-- 932 00:53:07,376 --> 00:53:08,967 "wants this to happen, because what he's doing 933 00:53:09,002 --> 00:53:10,394 To that little girl." 934 00:53:12,839 --> 00:53:15,807 He validated the-- and sanctioned-- 935 00:53:15,884 --> 00:53:18,518 The killing of randy. 936 00:53:18,529 --> 00:53:22,364 And that--that blew me away, but I did not know 937 00:53:22,441 --> 00:53:25,984 Or even think or consider that those two 938 00:53:26,019 --> 00:53:28,537 Were making that plan. 939 00:53:28,614 --> 00:53:29,872 I--I really didn't know what to do. 940 00:53:29,949 --> 00:53:31,698 I kind--I deferred to that judgement. 941 00:53:31,709 --> 00:53:32,799 A person didn't feel like they were allowed 942 00:53:32,801 --> 00:53:35,994 To question anything, because it's almost like 943 00:53:36,029 --> 00:53:38,964 You're questioning god; that's how that began. 944 00:53:41,535 --> 00:53:44,553 - Narrator: Coming up, despite his inner conflict, 945 00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:47,506 Mikel puts the plan into action. 946 00:53:47,582 --> 00:53:50,509 - Mikel: There was a first initial attempt 947 00:53:50,585 --> 00:53:53,512 Before the murder ever occurred, 948 00:53:53,588 --> 00:53:56,515 That no one really knows about. 949 00:53:56,591 --> 00:53:59,401 - Narrator: And the moment of truth arrives. 950 00:53:59,478 --> 00:54:03,739 - Dana calls me, and told me that today was gonna be the day 951 00:54:03,816 --> 00:54:05,449 That we were gonna kill randy. 952 00:54:09,062 --> 00:54:11,997 - ♪ 953 00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:19,505 - ♪ 954 00:54:21,908 --> 00:54:24,593 - Narrator: After 27 years of silence, 955 00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:29,006 48-year-old mikel dreiling has finally revealed details 956 00:54:29,082 --> 00:54:32,009 Of the 1992 murder of his sister's 957 00:54:32,085 --> 00:54:34,853 Former boyfriend, randy sheridan. 958 00:54:35,922 --> 00:54:38,390 - I've attempted to...Not make amends, because I can't, 959 00:54:38,425 --> 00:54:43,186 But offer something by way of just my willingness 960 00:54:43,263 --> 00:54:47,024 To be open and honest about this--about what I did. 961 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:50,777 - Narrator: According to mikel, in the fall of 1992, 962 00:54:50,788 --> 00:54:55,124 It was his sister dana who first asked him to kill randy. 963 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,910 But it was pastor jerry rollins who gave the murder plot 964 00:54:58,987 --> 00:55:00,746 His blessing. 965 00:55:00,781 --> 00:55:03,415 - Mikel: Ultimately, it was jerry's persuasion 966 00:55:03,492 --> 00:55:08,587 And persistence that...That, um, 967 00:55:08,622 --> 00:55:10,472 Convinced me... 968 00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:14,926 To--to perceive that as a righteous thing to do 969 00:55:15,003 --> 00:55:18,764 And agree to it-- agree to killing randy. 970 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,568 I mean, the way it was done was textbook for cult doctrine. 971 00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:26,438 The irony is, when you're in a cult, 972 00:55:26,473 --> 00:55:28,065 You don't know it. 973 00:55:28,141 --> 00:55:30,567 - Narrator: For mikel, the situation became 974 00:55:30,644 --> 00:55:33,162 A crisis of faith. 975 00:55:33,238 --> 00:55:35,572 - Mikel: I felt like I'd be punished if I was wrong. 976 00:55:35,649 --> 00:55:39,493 "what if he really is a man of god and I'm wrong?" 977 00:55:39,503 --> 00:55:45,165 So, I reluctantly and... With a conflicted heart, 978 00:55:45,176 --> 00:55:47,509 Agreed to it because I thought that it was 979 00:55:47,586 --> 00:55:48,794 The right thing at the time. 980 00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:52,923 That's where I failed huge, is I didn't have the courage 981 00:55:52,999 --> 00:55:54,850 To continue to question that. 982 00:55:59,673 --> 00:56:02,933 - Narrator: On the night of December 12, 1992, 983 00:56:03,009 --> 00:56:05,977 Mikel visited his brother's house with pastor rollins' 984 00:56:06,012 --> 00:56:10,941 Oldest son, charles, and decided to call randy sheridan. 985 00:56:11,017 --> 00:56:12,692 - Mikel: The truth of the matter is, I-- 986 00:56:12,703 --> 00:56:14,486 I pranked randy that night. 987 00:56:14,563 --> 00:56:17,197 I was with charles and my brother. 988 00:56:17,208 --> 00:56:19,032 And I think he breathed heavy into the phone, 989 00:56:19,043 --> 00:56:22,202 He might have said "die" or something, I don't remember. 990 00:56:22,213 --> 00:56:25,122 Randy ends up dying ten days later. 991 00:56:25,198 --> 00:56:27,049 I did not know that was gonna happen that way, 992 00:56:27,126 --> 00:56:32,045 I did not--I mean, that was not even in my mind when 993 00:56:32,056 --> 00:56:34,131 That--that prank was made. 994 00:56:34,207 --> 00:56:38,510 Dana said, "I'll let you know when the time is right." 995 00:56:38,587 --> 00:56:40,679 She made it sound like, "you know, when-- 996 00:56:40,755 --> 00:56:43,014 "when god wants it done, he'll let me--he'll let us know 997 00:56:43,091 --> 00:56:46,518 And we'll do it," and so...Part of me was hoping 998 00:56:46,553 --> 00:56:48,019 That would never happen or would never come, 999 00:56:48,096 --> 00:56:50,664 But...It--it did. 1000 00:56:53,652 --> 00:56:55,068 - Narrator: About a week later, 1001 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,531 Mikel says dana told him it was time. 1002 00:56:59,566 --> 00:57:03,743 - Mikel: Before randy's death, December 20, 1003 00:57:03,754 --> 00:57:08,540 There was a first initial attempt, uh, 1004 00:57:08,617 --> 00:57:11,543 Before the murder ever occurred, 1005 00:57:11,620 --> 00:57:13,512 That no one really knows about. 1006 00:57:15,749 --> 00:57:21,186 The plan was to surprise randy when he came home. 1007 00:57:22,756 --> 00:57:26,558 And...When we were there, 1008 00:57:26,593 --> 00:57:28,235 We realized that randy wasn't alone. 1009 00:57:30,355 --> 00:57:34,357 The sheridan family arrived at home while we were there. 1010 00:57:34,434 --> 00:57:38,996 And I--I freaked out. 1011 00:57:41,149 --> 00:57:44,910 Here's the thing that no one knows about. 1012 00:57:44,986 --> 00:57:46,870 Dana said that everybody had to be killed because 1013 00:57:46,947 --> 00:57:49,789 There's no--there can't be any witnesses. 1014 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,917 And that's when I changed my mind and--and ran, 1015 00:57:51,952 --> 00:57:54,052 Because...I couldn't do that. 1016 00:57:57,624 --> 00:58:01,643 - Narrator: The following day, December 21, 1992, 1017 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,221 Randy received permission to take their daughter 1018 00:58:04,297 --> 00:58:06,223 For the holidays. 1019 00:58:06,299 --> 00:58:09,226 But the details remained vague. 1020 00:58:09,302 --> 00:58:12,812 - Every other time that they'd had a transfer, 1021 00:58:12,823 --> 00:58:15,106 There'd been all this discussion, 1022 00:58:15,183 --> 00:58:17,234 Cussing and discussing about the details, 1023 00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:19,611 But this time there was none. 1024 00:58:19,646 --> 00:58:22,072 - Narrator: Desperate to get full custody of their daughter, 1025 00:58:22,148 --> 00:58:27,744 Mikel says dana once again set her plan into motion. 1026 00:58:27,821 --> 00:58:30,830 - Mike: The morning of December 22, 1992, 1027 00:58:30,841 --> 00:58:35,344 Dana calls me and told me that today was gonna be the day 1028 00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:39,097 That we were gonna do that; we were gonna kill randy. 1029 00:58:42,335 --> 00:58:45,178 - Narrator: Coming up, mikel's detailed account 1030 00:58:45,189 --> 00:58:48,765 Of randy's brutal shooting is finally revealed 1031 00:58:48,842 --> 00:58:51,101 For the first time. 1032 00:58:51,177 --> 00:58:53,770 - Mikel: She was driving, I was in the passenger side, 1033 00:58:53,847 --> 00:58:57,107 And dana brought the car to a stop. 1034 00:58:57,183 --> 00:58:59,359 Dana said, "well, there he is. That's--that's the sign 1035 00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:01,945 That we're looking for. Now, now!" 1036 00:59:02,022 --> 00:59:03,989 The gravity of it really started to sink into me, 1037 00:59:04,024 --> 00:59:05,249 Just how wrong it was. 1038 00:59:08,045 --> 00:59:11,004 - ♪ 1039 00:59:15,643 --> 00:59:18,470 - ♪ 1040 00:59:20,224 --> 00:59:22,224 - Narrator: Though the murder of randy sheridan 1041 00:59:22,301 --> 00:59:26,803 Was 27 years ago, convicted killer mikel dreiling 1042 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,389 Remembers the event that changed his life 1043 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,685 And the lives of everyone around him like it was yesterday. 1044 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,239 But his version of events paints a very different picture 1045 00:59:37,316 --> 00:59:41,994 Of the crime, one that his sister dana denies to this day. 1046 00:59:43,897 --> 00:59:46,406 - Mikel: It'd have been early afternoon. 1047 00:59:46,417 --> 00:59:49,409 We arrived, and we saw him jogging on the road. 1048 00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:51,911 Dana said, "well, there he is. That's--that's the sign 1049 00:59:51,922 --> 00:59:55,165 "that we're looking for-- he's by himself--you know, 1050 00:59:55,241 --> 00:59:56,675 That god wants this done." 1051 00:59:58,929 --> 01:00:01,212 She was driving, I was in the passenger side. 1052 01:00:01,247 --> 01:00:04,716 And dana brought the car to a stop, 1053 01:00:04,751 --> 01:00:07,177 And randy was jogging up the road and he saw us, 1054 01:00:07,253 --> 01:00:10,272 And I think he recognized dana. 1055 01:00:10,349 --> 01:00:12,057 And--and he started to slow and walk-- 1056 01:00:12,133 --> 01:00:15,268 And start walking towards the car by the window... 1057 01:00:15,279 --> 01:00:17,070 To talk to dana, I believe. 1058 01:00:19,283 --> 01:00:21,825 And that's when dana told me, "now, now!" 1059 01:00:23,528 --> 01:00:27,238 Randy realizes the situation, 1060 01:00:27,315 --> 01:00:30,033 And he puts his hand up like this. 1061 01:00:30,110 --> 01:00:31,293 I know that I fired a shot. 1062 01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:33,295 - [blast] 1063 01:00:33,372 --> 01:00:35,797 - One hit him in the arm, and that kind of spun him around 1064 01:00:35,874 --> 01:00:37,966 A little bit to the side, and I shot him-- 1065 01:00:38,043 --> 01:00:38,917 I fired another shot. 1066 01:00:38,952 --> 01:00:40,302 - [blast] 1067 01:00:40,379 --> 01:00:41,470 - It hit him in the side. 1068 01:00:41,546 --> 01:00:42,888 And then he started to run. 1069 01:00:45,217 --> 01:00:46,883 And I fired another shot and he fell down. 1070 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,760 - [blast] 1071 01:00:48,795 --> 01:00:51,396 - And when randy fell down, that's when I stopped. 1072 01:00:53,984 --> 01:00:55,984 The gravity of it really started to sink into me 1073 01:00:56,061 --> 01:00:59,896 At that time; just how wrong it was. 1074 01:00:59,973 --> 01:01:02,065 My part was over at that point in my head. 1075 01:01:02,142 --> 01:01:04,826 My desire and drive to continue on was--was over. 1076 01:01:06,813 --> 01:01:07,996 But...But not for dana. 1077 01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:14,119 Dana got out of the car and told me to shoot him again. 1078 01:01:14,195 --> 01:01:15,295 Randy was on the ground. 1079 01:01:17,198 --> 01:01:20,917 And I didn't. I don't remember saying anything. 1080 01:01:20,994 --> 01:01:23,795 So she--she took the gun from me and went over and fired 1081 01:01:23,830 --> 01:01:25,138 The last two shots. 1082 01:01:29,878 --> 01:01:32,846 I remember standing there, just kind of... 1083 01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:36,358 In somewhat of a daze, a kind of shock, and... 1084 01:01:36,435 --> 01:01:38,360 Dana had told me to help her pick up the shells, 1085 01:01:38,437 --> 01:01:42,114 So we picked up the shells, got in the car, and drove away. 1086 01:01:48,563 --> 01:01:51,456 The weapon was cut up in pieces with a hacksaw. 1087 01:01:52,901 --> 01:01:54,200 And I tossed that out the car window 1088 01:01:54,211 --> 01:01:55,460 Driving down the road. 1089 01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:01,958 - Narrator: Mikel waited anxiously for two years 1090 01:02:02,035 --> 01:02:05,378 For his deed to finally catch up with him. 1091 01:02:05,389 --> 01:02:08,006 - Mikel: I knew what happened and I felt like I had to lie. 1092 01:02:08,082 --> 01:02:09,340 When I was arrested, in my mind, 1093 01:02:09,375 --> 01:02:12,302 Randy was still a bad person at that time. 1094 01:02:12,378 --> 01:02:15,388 It wasn't 'til later that I realized dana and jerry 1095 01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:19,184 Would lie about anything to... To--to get their way about 1096 01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:22,070 Whatever they wanted done. 1097 01:02:22,147 --> 01:02:24,981 When I was sitting in court 1098 01:02:25,058 --> 01:02:27,317 And hearing the evidence about their affair, 1099 01:02:27,393 --> 01:02:30,570 And the things that they did, then I knew, 1100 01:02:30,581 --> 01:02:32,247 All of this is not only wrong, 1101 01:02:32,324 --> 01:02:34,199 But it's been wrong for a long time. 1102 01:02:34,275 --> 01:02:35,575 It was disgusting and sickening 1103 01:02:35,586 --> 01:02:38,462 And it made me angry and bitter towards them. 1104 01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:44,334 - Narrator: Today, mikel dreiling is a free man, 1105 01:02:44,410 --> 01:02:47,420 But he still has to live with the murder he committed 1106 01:02:47,431 --> 01:02:50,599 In December 1992. 1107 01:02:50,675 --> 01:02:52,550 - Mikel: I served just shy of 23 years. 1108 01:02:52,627 --> 01:02:56,054 Over that time, uh, 1109 01:02:56,089 --> 01:02:58,440 I learned the value of human life. 1110 01:02:58,517 --> 01:03:02,360 Uh...And I wish I had known that sooner. 1111 01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:06,397 And I don't want to make excuses or say 1112 01:03:06,432 --> 01:03:11,453 That I didn't know better, because I did know better, 1113 01:03:11,530 --> 01:03:15,448 But it's not that-- it's not that simple. 1114 01:03:15,459 --> 01:03:17,459 I know that dana still claims that she is innocent 1115 01:03:17,536 --> 01:03:19,452 And didn't have anything to do with this because 1116 01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:22,464 That's what the parole board has reported to newspapers. 1117 01:03:22,541 --> 01:03:26,042 I don't understand why not tell the truth at this point, 1118 01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:27,135 You know? 1119 01:03:27,212 --> 01:03:29,379 It doesn't surprise me that she's still claiming it, 1120 01:03:29,455 --> 01:03:31,264 But it amazes me that she is. 1121 01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:35,635 - Narrator: Mikel hopes when randy's loved ones 1122 01:03:35,646 --> 01:03:38,930 Hear his story, it will bring some closure 1123 01:03:39,007 --> 01:03:41,057 To randy's death. 1124 01:03:41,134 --> 01:03:45,395 - I hope they're able to see that someone, 1125 01:03:45,471 --> 01:03:48,398 At least one of us, is actually remorseful. 1126 01:03:48,474 --> 01:03:50,733 I hope they feel something positive out of this. 1127 01:03:50,810 --> 01:03:54,663 Just closure of, you know, they finally know, you know, 1128 01:03:54,739 --> 01:03:57,323 For a fact, you know, this happened. 1129 01:03:57,334 --> 01:04:00,502 - It, I think, helps to finally know a little bit more 1130 01:04:00,579 --> 01:04:02,504 About what happened and how it happened. 1131 01:04:02,581 --> 01:04:07,959 That he has and is seeming to indicate remorse. 1132 01:04:08,036 --> 01:04:10,503 That is very helpful as far as information 1133 01:04:10,514 --> 01:04:13,348 I would--am interested in. 1134 01:04:13,425 --> 01:04:15,508 - Robert: I don't care what any of them have to say. 1135 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:19,178 I don't care if they're sorry or not. 1136 01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:24,267 It--they murdered my brother, and that's the, you know-- 1137 01:04:24,344 --> 01:04:27,529 That's--that's all I know. 1138 01:04:27,606 --> 01:04:29,030 They can go to hell. 1139 01:04:31,610 --> 01:04:33,276 - Judy: I have fond memories of the times 1140 01:04:33,353 --> 01:04:37,155 That we spent together, the time he spent with my son, 1141 01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:41,492 Times later on when the girls were young. 1142 01:04:41,569 --> 01:04:45,330 I miss the fact that his daughters, um, 1143 01:04:45,365 --> 01:04:48,708 Did not get to know him as their father. 1144 01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:52,387 That definitely is very hard. 1145 01:04:52,464 --> 01:04:57,342 The fact that ashley was also no longer a part of our lives 1146 01:04:57,377 --> 01:05:01,387 After having that connection, that's--that is... 1147 01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:04,349 Uh, yeah, very tough. 1148 01:05:04,384 --> 01:05:06,568 She may have gone to her mother's sister, 1149 01:05:06,645 --> 01:05:08,445 I don't know for sure. 1150 01:05:10,223 --> 01:05:12,532 - I always thought we'd grow ol--grow old-- 1151 01:05:14,244 --> 01:05:15,327 [clears throat] 1152 01:05:16,896 --> 01:05:19,164 I always thought we'd grow old together. 1153 01:05:23,253 --> 01:05:35,180 - ♪ 1154 01:05:36,341 --> 01:05:39,059 ♪♪