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[female narrator] when shots
ring out in rural new jersey,
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A beloved father
is left for dead.
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There was bullet holes
under his arms,
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Blood stained on his shirt.
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The ford explorer had been
stolen from the backyard
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After the shooting.
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[narrator] now,
investigators must determine
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If this a random
act of violence...
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Or something much more sinister
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The area is beautiful.
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You would not
anticipate a carjacking.
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The circumstances were
very strange, to say the least.
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They were having this affair.
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[narrator] a woman willing
to do anything to get her way.
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This woman was gonna
have everybody killed.
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"you got to be kidding me."
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He felt if he followed along,
that he would win her back.
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He was extremely concerned
about having to wear a wire.
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She kept questioning, "why
won't you come over here?"
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When you're in love
with somebody that much,
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There's no telling what
you'll do for somebody.
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[music]
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[narrator] April 16, 2000.
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It's 9:00 pm in
hamilton township, new jersey,
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When a homeowner calls 911
to report a possible shooting.
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[police radio chatter]
[siren wailing]
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[narrator] seasoned
officers marcello simone
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And rich destefani
arrive within minutes.
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It was starting to
rain on our arrival.
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It was a dark night.
It was difficult to see.
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[marcello] this
location was very rural.
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It's a quiet street
with just a few houses
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And a lot of wooded area.
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[narrator] since
it's a small township,
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Officers notice
a few familiar faces.
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I recognized one of the
females as susan gigliotti
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And an older woman,
susan's mother, ruth jones.
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This was susan gigliotti's
mother's house.
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And it was her
family who was there,
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And they were the ones
who called in 911.
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Susan told me that her
estranged husband, joe,
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Was there to drop
off the children.
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[chris] joseph gigliotti's
girlfriend, sue mcchesney,
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Was present also.
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She arrived with joe at
the house with the children.
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Sue requested to
use the bathroom
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And went inside the house
with joseph gigliotti.
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[narrator] that's when susan
says she asked joe for a favor.
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Susan asked her
estranged husband, joe,
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To check the transmission
on her ford explorer
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Behind the house
toward the garage.
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Susan had then said while
she was inside with her mother,
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Ruth, they heard the shots.
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The bathroom was at
the rear of the residence.
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And sue, the girlfriend,
had said that
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While she was
using the restroom,
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She also heard the shots.
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Shortly after, they heard the
explorer go peeling backwards
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Out of the driveway.
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[narrator] susan gigliotti
tells police she immediately
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Went out back to look for joe.
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Susan gigliotti called joe's
name and couldn't find him.
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It was dark, and it was raining.
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It would have been hard
to see in those conditions.
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So she came back in the house
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Because they heard
what sounded like gunshots,
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They called the police
for shots fired.
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The general reaction from
everyone that was in the house
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Was surprise and shock.
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[narrator] as police begin
to inspect the property,
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Officer simone makes
a gruesome discovery.
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As I was going, I saw a
body laying on the ground.
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I approached the body and I,
uh, I recognized it was joe.
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The area that we patrol,
you get to know your residents.
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I knew joseph gigliotti.
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And he was always cordial and
say hi and you'd say hello back.
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There was bullet holes
under his arms,
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Blood stained on his shirt.
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It was determined that at
that moment joe is deceased.
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[marcello] we had a crime
scene and we had to secure it.
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It was scary.
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We didn't know if there
was somebody still around.
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We knew that at least one person
had left with a ford explorer.
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[rich] we do know now
what the shots were for.
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Joe gigliotti was dead.
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We didn't know where
the vehicle was.
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Getting to know the victim
is what we needed to do.
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[narrator] born
in December 1967,
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Joe gigliotti was
a new jersey native.
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The eldest of eight children,
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He took on the role of
caretaker at a young age--
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A trait that became
a defining quality.
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[lauren] I think
being an older brother
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Is probably what gave him
his sense of responsibility.
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Joseph was a social butterfly.
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He would talk to anybody
about anything.
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[kelley] at 16,
joe's charisma attracted
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The interest of a
classmate, susan jones.
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And like joe, susan was
compassionate and well liked.
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They went together through
part of high school,
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And then got married
not long after.
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[narrator] the high school
sweethearts tied the knot
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In June 1986.
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Within a year, the young
couple welcomed a baby boy.
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In 1997, a second son followed.
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Joseph was really
great with his kids.
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He helped them
pursue their dreams.
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They were the
sunshine of his life.
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[narrator] the young
couple worked hard
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To make ends meet.
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[cynthia] I met susan through
our job driving a school bus.
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It was atlanta county
special services.
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It was for special needs kids--
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Kids in wheelchairs,
kids with autism.
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And she cared for
the kids a lot.
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[frank] joe worked for a
company that removed asbestos.
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And, um, he wanted to get out
of that just for health reasons
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And just get into
something a little safer.
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[narrator] in the late '90s,
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Joe enrolled in
accounting classes
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At stockton university in
galloway township, new jersey.
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[frank] joe, he
was a great student.
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He was doing this
basically for his kids,
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So they'd be
financially better off.
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[narrator] but
eventually, joe's efforts
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To build a better
life for his kids
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Took a toll on his marriage.
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When he started going to school,
it left more for her to do.
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And I don't think she really
wanted to do that kind of stuff.
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[narrator] in early
1998, joe moved out.
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But susan didn't
officially file for divorce
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Until September of 1999.
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[lynn] their
breakup was not good.
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He was just so devastated
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And didn't know what
to do with himself.
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Part of that agreement
that they were working on,
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Uh, included their
custody sharing.
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[narrator] the boys lived
with susan after the split,
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But joe remained an
active part of their lives.
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He loved his boys.
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They were with him a lot,
like on the weekends.
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And on his days off,
they were out with him.
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[narrator] it wasn't long
before joe found love again
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With one of his
classmates in school.
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We just spent a lot of
time together studying.
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And you spend that much
time together with somebody
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That has similar goals,
similar dreams
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And it just--
we just connected.
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[narrator] joe wasn't
the only one who moved on.
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Susan attracted the attention
of 36-year-old richard debow.
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[cynthia] rich got hired
as an aide on the bus.
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We had aides to help
us with the wheelchairs
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And to help take care
of the kids on the bus.
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[davon] my uncle rich was
head over heels for susan.
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My uncle was always either
staying at her house
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Or they were communicating
on the phone.
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[narrator] however,
friends say susan
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Wasn't ready to settle down.
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She broke it off with rich
after a couple of months.
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Rich was easygoing
and very quiet,
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And she was very, like,
uh, rough, not his type.
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[laughs]
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So, I knew that
wasn't gonna last.
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[narrator] by 2000, joe
and lauren's relationship
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Was also hitting the rocks.
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His divorce had
not been finalized.
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Joseph and susan gigliotti
were still fighting
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For custody of the children.
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He proposed to me no
less than three times.
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But joseph was helping susan
out financially with the house,
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And he wasn't able to
contribute to our household.
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Until that got figured out,
I wasn't ready to go there.
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[narrator] the couple split,
but joe wasn't alone for long.
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In March of 2000, while
preparing for his cpa exam,
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He met sue mcchesney.
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[sue] I met him online
in a chatroom for singles.
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We hit it off right away.
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He started bringing
his children over.
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I could tell he was an
extremely good father
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And wanted to spend as much
time as possible with them.
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[narrator] but sadly, joe
gigliotti's time with his sons
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Would be cut short.
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April 16, 2000.
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After discovering
the gunshot-riddled body
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Of joe gigliotti,
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Hamilton township
officers call for backup.
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[rich] our next actions
are to control the scene
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And keep the residents
inside the property,
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Whether they live there or not.
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Not let anybody in the backyard.
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We didn't want
anything contaminated.
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[narrator] initially,
detectives keep the news
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Of joe's death quiet
from the family.
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Nobody really understood
why they didn't keep searching
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For joe in the backyard,
but they said they didn't.
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That's suspicious.
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You have to assume that
everybody is a suspect.
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[narrator] coming up--
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Crime scene evidence paints
a chilling picture of
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Joe gigliotti's final moments.
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It appeared somebody may
have been laying in wait.
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[narrator] and
officers discover
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A key piece of evidence.
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We did find computers
at her home,
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And the computers were actually
stolen from the government.
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[music]
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[narrator] April 16, 2000.
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Within an hour of
joe gigliotti's murder,
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Investigators are on the scene
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In hamilton township,
new jersey.
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[rich] being a small town,
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We don't do the homicide
investigation on our own.
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That's turned over to
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The atlantic county
prosecutor's office.
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Once we were contacted
by the department,
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We then arrive and
take over that scene.
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I came in with my team,
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And we began processing and
started talking to witnesses.
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[sue] I kept asking, "do
you know anything about joe?
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Have you heard about him?
Is he okay?"
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And no one would answer me.
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[marcello] when susan was
describing the incident,
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She thought it was a,
uh, carjacking, a robbery.
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[narrator] but
detectives aren't so sure.
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It'd be very unusual for that
to happen in this location
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Because it is so out of the way,
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As far as somebody
passing through.
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[narrator] as
the hours tick by,
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Sue mcchesney,
joe's current girlfriend,
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Is growing impatient as
she awaits any news of joe.
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I told joseph junior,
"something's not right.
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"I would like you to
call your grandfather
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And, uh, let me talk to him."
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I said, "joe's not here,
something happened.
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Could you come
pick up the kids?"
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So he said, "sure."
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At some point, police officers
showed up and each one of us--
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Myself, susan and her mother--
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They took us to
the police station.
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[narrator] with the
occupants of the house away,
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Investigators are free
to focus on the scene.
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[chris] you can see that the
victim had some type of wound
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To his arm, and he had
blood, uh, in his chest area.
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There were no
shell casings found,
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Which indicates that this
may have been a revolver.
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There really wasn't much
of a outdoor crime scene
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Beyond the body.
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The reality is that we don't
have any indicators of anything.
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The medical examiner
determined that, uh,
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Mr. Gigliotti
was shot five times.
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The cause of death
was multiple gunshot wounds.
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[narrator]
joe's body is transported to
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The medical examiner's office,
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While detectives
chase their only lead.
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[chris] the victim's
ex-wife, susan gigliotti,
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Had a ford explorer,
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And the explorer had been
stolen from the backyard
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After the shooting.
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[narrator] authorities
immediately release a bolo
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For the explorer.
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We put that information
out countywide
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As a possibly armed and
dangerous individual
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With a description
of the vehicle.
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[narrator] within an hour,
police get a hit
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After an officer
in a neighboring town
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Spots the suv.
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[chris] susan gigliotti's car
was located at the train station
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About three miles away
from the gigliotti residence
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By an egg harbor city,
uh, police officer.
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The keys were in the vehicle,
the vehicle was unlocked.
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The officer indicated that
he had seen a white male
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Exit the vehicle and go
into the train station.
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Back in 2000, there was
no surveillance video
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At the train station.
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[narrator] what's more,
when they sweep the vehicle
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For evidence, they
come up empty handed.
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The vehicle was processed.
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There was nothing that
was left in the vehicle
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That we could see.
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[narrator] with
little to go on,
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Investigators turn to
their witnesses for answers,
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Starting with joe's
girlfriend, sue mcchesney.
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A detective finally
told me that joe was dead.
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I did not find out he had been
killed until that interview.
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I had no idea at that point.
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I couldn't believe, you
know, that's what happened.
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[chris] the girlfriend,
sue mcchesney,
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Was very affected
by this incident.
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Uh, she showed, uh,
quite a bit of shock
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And, uh,
disbelief and confusion.
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[narrator] despite
the shocking news,
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Sue mcchesney pulls
herself together
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To provide some crucial context
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Joe had the two boys
almost every weekend.
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Joe never really told me
very much about his ex-wife.
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I had not met susan
until that night.
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I understood that that
joe had a difficult time
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Returning the children.
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I could tell that there
was a lot of tension there.
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[narrator] sue mcchesney
says on the day of the murder,
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Everything felt off.
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[sue] christian became sick
and, uh, was running a fever,
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00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:09,794
And he started
crying and whining
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That he wanted his mother.
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So, uh, I pretty much insisted
that joe give her a call
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And ask if we could
return the children early.
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She declined and said, "don't
bring them back any earlier
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Than when you're supposed
to bring 'em back".
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I couldn't understand
why any mom
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Would turn away a child
that's sick and wanting them.
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When I got there, I asked
susan to use the bathroom.
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So the four of us went
into her mother's house.
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[narrator] as they were
exchanging the kids,
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Joe's ex-wife asked
him for a favor.
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Susan gigliotti asked joe
to go in the back yard
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And check the transmission.
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She said she was having
problems with the transmission.
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[sue] at that point,
I went to the bathroom.
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While I was in there, I started
hearing a couple noises.
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They sounded like bangs to me.
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I became very concerned, and
I came out, and I asked susan,
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"did anyone hear the noises?"
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At that point, a car
drove past the house.
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It just seemed like it was,
like, flying past the house.
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You know, joe's outside.
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I wanna go take a look
and see if everything's okay.
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But susan stopped me at
the door, and she goes,
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"no, no, don't go out there.
You do not know the property.
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I'll go out and check."
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[chris]
susan gigliotti ran outside
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And looked for joe gigliotti, or
to see what the disturbance was.
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Did not find him.
Came back in the house.
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When susan came back,
she said, "I couldn't find him."
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00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:58,969
And I said to her, I go,
"how is that even possible?
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How could you not find him?"
336
00:19:01,374 --> 00:19:04,975
And I said, you know,
"something's not right."
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I thought, maybe
joe got injured.
338
00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:10,649
Maybe joe is driving himself,
you know, to the hospital
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00:19:10,716 --> 00:19:12,383
Or something like that.
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I insisted that they
call the police.
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So they did.
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[narrator] police allow
sue mcchesney to go home
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And call susan gigliotti
into the room.
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[kelley] based on information
from other witnesses
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About her contentious divorce,
346
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Police asked susan if she had
anything to do with the murder,
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00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:33,804
And she denied it.
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[chris] susan gigliotti
downplayed the fact
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That they had a contentious
situation going on.
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She didn't seem overwhelmed
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00:19:41,414 --> 00:19:44,482
Or overly affected
with joe's murder.
352
00:19:44,484 --> 00:19:47,752
But she indicated
that she had no idea
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Why this would have happened.
354
00:19:49,822 --> 00:19:52,424
Interviewers now wanna know
who could've been responsible
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For bringing harm to joe.
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00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,163
[narrator] that's when
susan gigliotti reveals
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She has a new boyfriend,
steve ferman.
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Steve ferman and
susan met each other
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00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:08,372
Through a online chatroom,
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00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:11,241
And then they eventually
met in person.
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[narrator] without
any prompting,
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Susan admits the two have a
side business...An illegal one.
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[chris] she said her
boyfriend, steve ferman,
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00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,453
Worked for the
federal government,
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00:20:22,521 --> 00:20:25,322
And they had a
warehouse in brooklyn.
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They stored computers up there.
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00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:31,328
And they were interested in
getting as many computers
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00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:33,197
As they could out of there
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00:20:33,265 --> 00:20:35,532
And bringing them
back to susan's house
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With the intention of
selling those computers.
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[narrator] what's more, susan
says joe recently found out
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About the operation.
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[chris] joe gigliotti
had found the stolen items
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00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:51,081
In susan's house during
one of his, uh, drop-offs
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00:20:51,150 --> 00:20:54,318
For visitation and
was not happy with it.
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00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:58,956
[narrator] susan admits
she worried that joe would use
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This discovery against her
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And file for sole custody
of their children.
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Joseph had an opportunity
to call the police
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And have susan removed from
the home because of it.
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00:21:14,173 --> 00:21:15,839
I told him to do it.
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00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:18,709
And he said to me,
"I can't do that to her, lauren,
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00:21:18,711 --> 00:21:21,279
She's the mother
of my children."
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He wanted whatever
was best for the kids,
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Which he felt was
staying in their home.
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00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:28,787
He did not want to
disrupt their lives,
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00:21:28,854 --> 00:21:31,555
So he wasn't trying
to take them anywhere.
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00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:35,994
[narrator] investigators
obtain a warrant
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00:21:36,062 --> 00:21:39,998
To search susan gigliotti's
home for evidence.
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00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:42,400
[timothy] we did find
computers at susan's home.
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00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:43,735
We were able to establish
that the computers
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00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:47,271
Were actually stolen
from the government.
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00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:50,542
So steve ferman is another
person of interest.
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00:21:50,609 --> 00:21:54,211
We suspected that steve ferman
had some aspect of involvement
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00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:56,881
In the death of joe gigliotti.
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00:21:59,085 --> 00:22:03,020
[narrator] coming up,
rumors of a jilted lover.
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00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:04,755
There was some belief
that he may have been
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00:22:04,757 --> 00:22:07,691
Stalking susan at one point.
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00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:09,626
For the ex-boyfriend
to be in the picture,
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00:22:09,695 --> 00:22:12,530
He obviously became someone
we immediately wanna speak with.
401
00:22:12,598 --> 00:22:14,031
[narrator] and
investigators uncover
402
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,800
A big break in the case.
403
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:20,771
The man was extremely
nervous, sweating profusely.
404
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:31,716
[music]
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00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:45,129
[narrator] within a few hours
of the murder of joe gigliotti,
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00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:48,198
His soon to be ex-wife,
susan, tells investigators
407
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:54,138
That joe recently found out
about her illegal side business
408
00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:58,342
[chris] there was a ongoing
dispute between susan and joe
409
00:22:58,411 --> 00:23:01,044
Regarding this.
410
00:23:01,114 --> 00:23:03,815
She did confess that she
participated in this theft
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00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:06,684
With her boyfriend,
steven ferman.
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00:23:06,686 --> 00:23:08,319
He needed to be interviewed.
413
00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:12,489
[narrator] when steve
sits down with investigators
414
00:23:12,558 --> 00:23:18,295
On April 17,
he reveals another twist.
415
00:23:18,364 --> 00:23:20,564
The fact the steve ferman
was married
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00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:22,098
Did come up in our interview.
417
00:23:22,168 --> 00:23:25,569
Steven told me that
he was having this affair
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00:23:25,638 --> 00:23:28,039
And that he deeply cared for
susan gigliotti.
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00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,974
[chris] he says
he's in love with her,
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00:23:31,043 --> 00:23:33,644
That they've been seeing
each other for quite a while,
421
00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:36,680
And that eventually he would
like to start a life with her.
422
00:23:40,252 --> 00:23:42,720
[narrator] detectives push
steve for more information
423
00:23:42,722 --> 00:23:44,789
About the stolen computers.
424
00:24:12,985 --> 00:24:14,819
[narrator] while steve
admits to the theft,
425
00:24:14,887 --> 00:24:18,155
He's avoiding the
elephant in the room.
426
00:24:18,224 --> 00:24:21,425
He really wasn't talking
about the homicide very much.
427
00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:23,260
And when he did talk about
the relationship between
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00:24:23,329 --> 00:24:26,164
Susan gigliotti
and joe gigliotti,
429
00:24:26,232 --> 00:24:28,632
It was always
how terrible joe is.
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00:24:28,701 --> 00:24:30,701
That is an immediate red flag.
431
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:32,570
In my mind,
my immediate response was
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00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:33,905
It was a misdirection.
433
00:24:56,462 --> 00:24:59,563
[narrator] detectives believe
steve may be hiding something,
434
00:24:59,633 --> 00:25:03,033
But release him for now.
435
00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:09,139
When detectives question
susan's family members,
436
00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:13,011
Suddenly a new person
of interest surfaces--
437
00:25:13,078 --> 00:25:15,946
Richard debow.
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00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:18,816
[chris] we always ask in
a situation such as this,
439
00:25:18,818 --> 00:25:19,951
Who were prior boyfriends?
440
00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:22,019
Was there anybody
that might be jealous?
441
00:25:22,021 --> 00:25:26,623
And, uh, rich debow's name
came up through a family member
442
00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:32,362
As a former friend or
lover of susan gigliotti.
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00:25:32,364 --> 00:25:35,633
And family members indicated
that there was some belief
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00:25:35,635 --> 00:25:38,068
That he may have been
stalking susan at one point.
445
00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:41,371
[timothy] for the ex-boyfriend
to be in the picture,
446
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:42,639
He obviously became someone
447
00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:44,808
We immediately wanna
speak with as well.
448
00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:46,644
We were able to pick
him up, bring him in.
449
00:25:49,848 --> 00:25:51,782
[narrator] investigators
press rich debow
450
00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:55,720
About his whereabouts
the day of the shooting.
451
00:25:55,788 --> 00:25:59,323
Rich told us that day that
he followed his normal routine.
452
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:02,659
I believe he worked, he walked
the boardwalk in atlantic city,
453
00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:05,128
And then he caught the train
back to egg harbor city.
454
00:26:05,197 --> 00:26:07,999
And from there he went home,
and that was the end of his day.
455
00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:12,336
[narrator] although authorities
need to verify rich's alibi,
456
00:26:12,338 --> 00:26:14,538
He seems harmless.
457
00:26:14,607 --> 00:26:16,206
[timothy]
he wanted to cooperate.
458
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:19,009
He didn't have extensive
violent criminal history.
459
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,677
There was no
indication in the world
460
00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:22,547
For us to believe
that he was involved.
461
00:26:25,184 --> 00:26:28,018
[narrator] with no leads
from their initial interviews,
462
00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:31,155
Investigators seek out
joe's friends and family,
463
00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:33,824
Looking for more clues.
464
00:26:33,826 --> 00:26:36,293
All the information that
everyone provided was that
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00:26:36,362 --> 00:26:38,896
He was a nice guy that
nobody had a problem with,
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00:26:38,898 --> 00:26:40,898
That nobody was aware that
he had any issues with anyone
467
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,834
Other than his ex-wife.
468
00:26:43,836 --> 00:26:46,503
[maddy] there was that
custody battle between them
469
00:26:46,572 --> 00:26:49,773
For their two children,
470
00:26:49,842 --> 00:26:54,045
So it was not a good situation.
471
00:26:55,914 --> 00:26:57,848
[narrator] the family
tells investigators
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At one point, susan
claimed joe had abused her
473
00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:03,854
During their marriage.
474
00:27:03,922 --> 00:27:07,391
[chris] susan had alleged
a number of assaults.
475
00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:09,394
At one point, she said, I think,
476
00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:12,930
That she had a broken nose
caused by joe
477
00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:15,266
During a domestic dispute.
478
00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:20,270
[narrator] however, detectives
find no record of abuse.
479
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:22,940
There was no proof submitted
to the court that would sustain
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00:27:22,942 --> 00:27:26,010
A charge of domestic abuse.
481
00:27:29,281 --> 00:27:31,950
[narrator] they do uncover
threats of violence.
482
00:27:32,017 --> 00:27:36,353
However, they didn't
come from joe.
483
00:27:36,422 --> 00:27:40,091
[chris] friends indicated that
susan gigliotti was aware that
484
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:43,695
Joseph gigliotti had
an insurance policy,
485
00:27:43,762 --> 00:27:46,330
And had made statements to
them that it would be easier
486
00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:49,633
If joe was dead, that she
wouldn't have to go through
487
00:27:49,635 --> 00:27:52,035
The aggravation of a divorce.
488
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:53,771
[narrator] could susan
have followed through
489
00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:55,105
With her threats?
490
00:27:55,107 --> 00:27:58,075
Or did someone
intervene on her behalf?
491
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,715
Detectives suspect steve ferman
knows much more than he claims.
492
00:28:05,785 --> 00:28:10,053
So they circle back
to him on April 19th.
493
00:28:10,055 --> 00:28:11,922
[chris] during the first
interview with steve ferman,
494
00:28:11,924 --> 00:28:16,326
He was very evasive and
very vague in his answers.
495
00:28:16,328 --> 00:28:19,463
We brought him back in, and
then we brought up our belief
496
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:24,868
That this was an arranged
murder, that he knew about it.
497
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:28,605
The man was extremely nervous,
sweating profusely.
498
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:30,808
He just was a mess.
499
00:28:33,011 --> 00:28:35,813
[narrator] eventually,
the pressure pays off.
500
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:25,862
[narrator] steve may not know
the name of the alleged shooter
501
00:29:25,931 --> 00:29:29,599
However, investigators
believe they do.
502
00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:32,669
Rich debow, her former lover.
503
00:29:32,738 --> 00:29:35,206
Rich debow would do
anything for her.
504
00:29:38,277 --> 00:29:41,479
[narrator] while steve denies
any involvement in the murder,
505
00:29:41,546 --> 00:29:44,681
He's not in the clear just yet.
506
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:48,018
[chris] at the point that steve
ferman admitted his knowledge,
507
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:50,153
He's now a conspirator.
508
00:29:50,222 --> 00:29:52,823
We felt as though
he'd be an asset to us
509
00:29:52,891 --> 00:29:54,958
If he would cooperate.
510
00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:57,494
[narrator] on April 19, 2000,
511
00:29:57,496 --> 00:29:59,163
Steve agrees to wear a wire
512
00:29:59,231 --> 00:30:01,364
In an effort to get
susan to confess
513
00:30:01,433 --> 00:30:04,702
And to reveal the alleged
gunman's identity.
514
00:30:05,872 --> 00:30:07,637
[chris] steve
ferman was nervous.
515
00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:09,941
He was gonna try
to confirm with her
516
00:30:10,008 --> 00:30:12,742
That rich debow was the shooter.
517
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:15,312
He needed her to
admit and say names
518
00:30:15,381 --> 00:30:19,282
And prove what steve
had said was true.
519
00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:22,118
Steve was concerned that she
was going to figure it out.
520
00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:24,187
It's an extremely
dangerous situation
521
00:30:24,189 --> 00:30:26,390
Where you're putting a
wire on someone's body.
522
00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:32,529
[narrator] coming up, steve
puts his life on the line.
523
00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:35,665
We can't eliminate all risk
in situations like this.
524
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,801
It becomes apparent that
susan may be sensing
525
00:30:37,803 --> 00:30:40,804
That ferman's up to something.
526
00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:42,739
[narrator] as
detectives close in,
527
00:30:42,808 --> 00:30:46,076
One man can't
handle the pressure.
528
00:30:46,145 --> 00:30:47,410
[timothy] he threw
his hands in the air,
529
00:30:47,479 --> 00:30:51,014
And he said "ok, ok, ok, I'm
gonna tell you what happened."
530
00:30:51,083 --> 00:30:53,951
If looks could kill, he'd be
dead right there in the chair.
531
00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:59,756
[music]
532
00:31:08,901 --> 00:31:11,936
[narrator] April 19, 2000.
533
00:31:12,003 --> 00:31:14,371
Authorities in hamilton
township, new jersey
534
00:31:14,439 --> 00:31:16,840
Are closing in on
the main suspects
535
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:19,442
In the murder of joe gigliotti.
536
00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:22,379
After his ex-wife's
lover steve ferman
537
00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:25,415
Agrees to cooperate
with investigators.
538
00:31:28,921 --> 00:31:30,821
[timothy] we had to
give mr. Ferman
539
00:31:30,823 --> 00:31:32,656
Explicit instructions.
540
00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,191
He was extremely concerned
about having to wear a wire.
541
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:38,027
He was concerned for his safety.
542
00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:40,263
We're actually sending
steve ferman in with a person
543
00:31:40,332 --> 00:31:44,334
Who we believe had a hand
in committing homicide.
544
00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:47,170
And we can't eliminate all risk
in situations like this,
545
00:31:47,239 --> 00:31:49,473
And that's why it's voluntary.
546
00:31:49,475 --> 00:31:51,341
[chris] steve ferman
was made aware of the fact
547
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,677
That we would
maintain surveillance.
548
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,479
And we also provided
him with a code word
549
00:31:56,548 --> 00:31:59,417
Should anything go wrong.
550
00:31:59,484 --> 00:32:02,218
[timothy] we have teams
in place that can respond
551
00:32:02,287 --> 00:32:05,022
If it becomes
extremely dangerous.
552
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,228
[narrator] on April 19th, aroun
5:00 pm,
553
00:32:10,295 --> 00:32:13,630
Investigators take their places
554
00:32:13,632 --> 00:32:14,965
[chris] I have a van,
555
00:32:14,967 --> 00:32:17,467
Which is equipped
with monitoring devices.
556
00:32:17,536 --> 00:32:21,172
In this particular case,
the house could be surveilled.
557
00:32:21,239 --> 00:32:24,642
We then sent steve ferman
in his own vehicle
558
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:27,310
To susan gigliotti's house.
559
00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:29,446
He pulled in to the driveway,
560
00:32:29,515 --> 00:32:32,582
And ms. Gigliotti
came out of her house.
561
00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:35,118
She was very guarded.
She did attempt to hug him.
562
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,121
He was able to
rebuff that attempt.
563
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:41,191
She kept questioning, "why
won't you come over here?
564
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:45,196
Are you wired?
Let me pat you down."
565
00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:47,431
Mr. Ferman started
requesting to know
566
00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:51,068
What mrs. Gigliotti
had said to authorities,
567
00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:55,339
That he was very concerned
that he was going to go to jail.
568
00:32:55,407 --> 00:32:58,875
Ms. Gigliotti indicated that you
don't have to worry about that,
569
00:32:58,944 --> 00:33:01,912
You weren't involved,
it was rich debow.
570
00:33:06,418 --> 00:33:09,552
That was the first time
we got any confirmation
571
00:33:09,621 --> 00:33:11,222
From mrs. Gigliotti
572
00:33:11,289 --> 00:33:16,227
That mr. Ferman
was telling the truth.
573
00:33:16,294 --> 00:33:20,664
They said their goodbyes, and
mr. Ferman left in the vehicle.
574
00:33:23,402 --> 00:33:26,170
[narrator] investigators
immediately locate rich debow
575
00:33:26,238 --> 00:33:29,639
And bring him back
in for questioning.
576
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:32,710
We brought rich back in
for a second interview.
577
00:33:32,778 --> 00:33:34,711
We couldn't find
any evidence at all
578
00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:37,381
That he did what he claimed
he had done on that day.
579
00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:41,252
[narrator] before investigators
lay out their cards,
580
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,322
They first confront rich
about his shaky alibi
581
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:47,657
For the night of joe's murder.
582
00:33:47,726 --> 00:33:50,527
Initially, rick debow had
indicated that he was, uh,
583
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:54,397
In atlantic city, and
nobody could verify it.
584
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:56,867
That's all it took for mr. Debow
585
00:33:56,935 --> 00:34:01,539
To decide it was time
to tell the truth.
586
00:34:01,606 --> 00:34:04,175
Rich threw his hands in the
air, and he said, literally,
587
00:34:04,242 --> 00:34:06,443
"ok, ok, ok, I'm gonna
tell you what happened."
588
00:34:08,346 --> 00:34:11,214
He said the murder plot
was actually discussed
589
00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:14,752
Several months
before it occurred.
590
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:18,489
Rich debow believed everything
susan gigliotti told him,
591
00:34:18,557 --> 00:34:22,358
That she's being abused
by joe gigliotti,
592
00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:25,196
That she wants to be
with him, rich debow,
593
00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:30,167
For the rest of his life,
because that's who he is.
594
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:33,304
He wants to hear these
things, so he believes them.
595
00:34:34,439 --> 00:34:35,705
[narrator] rich
tells detectives
596
00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:39,443
That susan gigliotti first
approached him months earlier
597
00:34:39,511 --> 00:34:41,378
With her plan.
598
00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:43,213
He proceeded to tell us
how he committed the murder
599
00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:45,515
And what he did after.
600
00:34:45,517 --> 00:34:47,984
Every time he would respond,
he would end it with,
601
00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:49,520
"I'm not a
cold-hearted monster."
602
00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:58,027
On April 16th, it was around
8:30 that susan gigliotti came
603
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:02,566
And picked him up and drove
home to susan's parents' house.
604
00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:07,204
[narrator] rich says that susan
handed him a black revolver
605
00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:09,139
And left the keys
in the explorer
606
00:35:09,207 --> 00:35:11,342
So he could make his escape.
607
00:35:14,313 --> 00:35:17,680
[maddy] joe came to the house
to drop off the children.
608
00:35:17,749 --> 00:35:23,487
Susan asked him to change her
transmission fluid in her car.
609
00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:26,756
He went out there, and
that's when richard debow
610
00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:29,959
Was laying in wait.
611
00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:32,428
He said when gigliotti bent down
612
00:35:32,497 --> 00:35:35,599
To look in the engine
compartment, he shot him.
613
00:35:39,204 --> 00:35:41,104
[timothy] rich shot
him a couple times.
614
00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:43,641
Joe was begging for
his life, asking rich,
615
00:35:43,708 --> 00:35:45,575
"please, please stop."
616
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:50,981
And when we asked rich,
"what did you do next?"
617
00:35:51,049 --> 00:35:53,384
His response was,
"I shot him again."
618
00:35:54,953 --> 00:35:59,088
And with that, rich took a
long breath, and he paused,
619
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:02,592
And then he looked
at us, and he says,
620
00:36:02,594 --> 00:36:04,261
"I guess I am a
cold-hearted monster."
621
00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:11,935
[narrator] rich explains
that after shooting joe,
622
00:36:12,003 --> 00:36:16,873
He took off in the ford explore
as susan had planned.
623
00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:19,409
[timothy] he then made his
way back to egg harbor city.
624
00:36:19,478 --> 00:36:21,945
He went to the train station,
625
00:36:22,014 --> 00:36:23,547
And then he
proceeded to go home.
626
00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:26,482
Mr. Debow said that
he had gloves on
627
00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:28,486
At the time of the murder.
628
00:36:28,553 --> 00:36:31,621
That he took the gloves,
he took the weapon,
629
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:36,359
And he threw them in a trash can
as he walked towards his house.
630
00:36:36,428 --> 00:36:38,695
He said that he didn't know
what trash can
631
00:36:38,697 --> 00:36:42,599
He dropped the items in, and
we never recovered the weapon.
632
00:36:44,169 --> 00:36:45,836
[narrator] to
detectives, rich's motive
633
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:49,440
Is one as old as time.
634
00:36:49,507 --> 00:36:52,642
[chris] rich debow felt
if he followed along
635
00:36:52,711 --> 00:36:56,613
And did what susan asked him to
do, that he would win her back.
636
00:36:57,916 --> 00:37:01,451
He did it because he wanted
to be with susan gigliotti,
637
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,520
And she asked him,
and that's all it took.
638
00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:09,592
[narrator] but debow
isn't done talking just yet
639
00:37:09,661 --> 00:37:12,862
And makes another
shocking confession.
640
00:37:12,931 --> 00:37:14,464
[timothy] that's when rich
started telling us about
641
00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:18,935
The plan to murder
steve ferman's wife, carrie,
642
00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,803
Which was news to us.
643
00:37:20,872 --> 00:37:24,207
It was a, "you gotta
be kidding me."
644
00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:25,609
That murder was to occur
645
00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:29,345
Two weeks after the
murder of joe gigliotti.
646
00:37:29,414 --> 00:37:31,381
It was a very
bone-chilling moment.
647
00:37:35,954 --> 00:37:39,356
[narrator] investigators
charge rich debow with murder
648
00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:44,361
And issue a warrant for
susan gigliotti's arrest.
649
00:37:44,363 --> 00:37:46,496
A team brought
susan gigliotti in.
650
00:37:46,564 --> 00:37:48,966
When susan came in,
she saw rich,
651
00:37:49,034 --> 00:37:51,568
At which point
she stopped at the door
652
00:37:51,636 --> 00:37:56,974
And rich said,
"I told 'em everything."
653
00:37:57,042 --> 00:37:58,641
[chris] susan gigliotti said,
654
00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:00,643
"who do you think
you're talking to?
655
00:38:00,712 --> 00:38:03,580
I told you keep
your mouth shut."
656
00:38:03,582 --> 00:38:06,049
Rich debow responded by
saying, "it's too late.
657
00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:08,451
We're both going down together."
658
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,721
If looks could kill,
he'd be dead right there.
659
00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:15,591
[narrator] coming up,
investigators determine
660
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,228
If another arrest is needed.
661
00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:28,538
[narrator] and susan's fate is
left in the hands of the jury.
662
00:38:28,607 --> 00:38:30,807
[cynthia] she didn't pull a
trigger, but she planned it.
663
00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:33,477
I don't understand.
I still to this day don't.
664
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,515
[music]
665
00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:49,960
[narrator] April 19, 2000.
666
00:38:50,028 --> 00:38:53,564
As new jersey authorities
close in on susan gigliotti
667
00:38:53,631 --> 00:38:56,165
For the murder of
her ex-husband, joe,
668
00:38:56,234 --> 00:38:59,636
They have just learned of
another stunning murder plot.
669
00:39:01,439 --> 00:39:03,940
[timothy] in addition to
rich debow confessing to,
670
00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:06,776
Uh, murdering joe gigliotti,
671
00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:10,781
He was also slated to murder
stephen ferman's wife, carrie.
672
00:39:12,717 --> 00:39:15,185
[maddy] susan wanted
to be with steve.
673
00:39:15,252 --> 00:39:16,986
She wanted his wife dead,
674
00:39:16,988 --> 00:39:19,522
And she wanted just
everybody out of the way
675
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:21,424
So she could have her new life.
676
00:39:24,996 --> 00:39:27,797
[narrator] in the
interrogation room, unlike rich
677
00:39:27,799 --> 00:39:30,934
Susan keeps her mouth shut.
678
00:39:31,002 --> 00:39:33,604
She's under arrest.
She's not saying a word.
679
00:39:33,671 --> 00:39:35,338
If we didn't know her name,
680
00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:37,273
We probably wouldn't
have got that out of her.
681
00:39:37,342 --> 00:39:39,442
We got no information from her.
682
00:39:42,514 --> 00:39:44,180
[narrator] now the
burning question is
683
00:39:44,182 --> 00:39:47,784
Whether steve ferman was
part of the deadly scheme.
684
00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:23,319
[narrator] in the end,
authorities decide
685
00:40:23,388 --> 00:40:29,058
Not to press conspiracy
charges against steve ferman.
686
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:30,660
[timothy] charges were
filed against steve ferman
687
00:40:30,728 --> 00:40:32,929
For the computer theft.
688
00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:36,333
As far as his conspiracy in
the death of joe gigliotti,
689
00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:38,668
We didn't have a
strong case against him
690
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:40,536
Based on the evidence we had.
691
00:40:40,605 --> 00:40:43,072
In addition, he was
cooperating with us.
692
00:40:43,074 --> 00:40:44,941
[chris] there was no
pursuit of charges,
693
00:40:45,009 --> 00:40:47,076
Because mr. Ferman was
694
00:40:47,078 --> 00:40:50,580
Very instrumental in
us solving this case.
695
00:40:54,986 --> 00:40:59,889
[narrator] in March 2002,
the case finally goes to trial.
696
00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:02,225
[timothy]
rich debow, steve ferman,
697
00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:05,761
All of 'em turn against
susan gigliotti.
698
00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:07,363
[narrator] on March 21st,
699
00:41:07,365 --> 00:41:10,166
After only 90 minutes
of deliberation,
700
00:41:10,235 --> 00:41:13,169
The jury reaches a verdict.
701
00:41:13,238 --> 00:41:16,439
They did what they needed
to do, hour and a half,
702
00:41:16,507 --> 00:41:18,675
And she was guilty of murder.
703
00:41:20,011 --> 00:41:23,379
[lauren] susan was convicted
of murder in the first degree,
704
00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:26,049
Various other weapons charges,
705
00:41:26,051 --> 00:41:29,719
And I believe stolen
goods charges.
706
00:41:29,788 --> 00:41:31,521
And she was sentenced to life,
707
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:34,257
But she does, uh, have
the option for parole
708
00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:35,726
After 30 years.
709
00:41:38,463 --> 00:41:40,931
[chris] I-I think she
got what she deserved.
710
00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:43,934
She's evil and
she's a manipulator.
711
00:41:47,572 --> 00:41:49,739
[narrator] in January of 2003,
712
00:41:49,807 --> 00:41:53,943
Rich debow is convicted
of joe gigliotti's murder,
713
00:41:53,945 --> 00:41:57,680
Conspiracy to commit
murder, and weapons charges.
714
00:41:57,749 --> 00:42:02,451
He's sentenced to
40 years in prison.
715
00:42:02,521 --> 00:42:03,554
[davon] I feel bad
for him, you know?
716
00:42:03,621 --> 00:42:07,824
He was manipulated by this
woman to do this crazy act,
717
00:42:07,826 --> 00:42:11,762
To take a man's life.
718
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:14,096
When you're in love
with somebody that much
719
00:42:14,165 --> 00:42:17,700
And they take advantage
of that, you know,
720
00:42:17,769 --> 00:42:20,737
There's no telling what
you'll do for somebody.
721
00:42:23,975 --> 00:42:26,242
[narrator] the shockwaves
of susan's manipulation
722
00:42:26,311 --> 00:42:29,179
Are widespread.
723
00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:30,848
She didn't care about
the kids of ferman's.
724
00:42:30,915 --> 00:42:32,581
She didn't care
about her children.
725
00:42:32,651 --> 00:42:35,252
She didn't care about,
about debow's family.
726
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,919
Joe gigliotti is dead,
727
00:42:36,921 --> 00:42:39,889
And his family mourns
his death every single day.
728
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:44,660
[cynthia] she didn't pull a
trigger, but she planned it.
729
00:42:44,729 --> 00:42:47,798
She took a great dad from them.
730
00:42:47,865 --> 00:42:50,699
He was a fantastic father.
731
00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:53,503
I don't understand.
I still to this day don't.
732
00:42:57,008 --> 00:42:58,808
[lauren] joseph's
legacy is his kids.
733
00:42:58,876 --> 00:43:03,946
They are amazing kids that have
had to grow up through this,
734
00:43:04,015 --> 00:43:09,552
And still have been able
to succeed and thrive,
735
00:43:09,621 --> 00:43:13,156
And are both doing
extremely well.
736
00:43:13,224 --> 00:43:15,559
And that is,
737
00:43:15,627 --> 00:43:19,963
That's his legacy, 100%,
738
00:43:20,031 --> 00:43:21,931
And a worthy one.
739
00:43:24,268 --> 00:43:30,140
[music]