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Vicky McClure is one of Britain's
most popular TV and film actors.
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Oh, my God!
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She first found fame in 2006,
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in the award-winning film
This Is England.
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And millions watched her as
Detective Inspector Kate Fleming,
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tracking down corrupt coppers
in the hit TV drama Line Of Duty.
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GUNSHOT
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LAUGHTER
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I went to a place called
The TV Workshop in Nottingham.
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I joined when I was 11, and
that's where I studied acting.
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I mean, it's formed who I am
as a person,
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but it's formed who I am
as an actor, for sure.
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ALARM BLARING
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We need an ambulance!
Armed police, get back!
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For all the action-packed
shows that I do,
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and the fact that I might seem
hard as nails in certain things,
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I probably couldn't be
further from that.
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Nottingham born and bred, Vicky
received an MBE for her charity work
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with the city's Dementia Choir.
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I would love to introduce you
to Our Dementia Choir!
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She was inspired by her grandmother
Iris' struggle with the condition.
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I am a homebody.
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I like to feel secure, and...
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..I like to be...sort of feel
in a safe environment -
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and that, to me, is home.
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Vicky still lives in Nottingham
with her husband Jonny,
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just a few minutes from
her parents, Carol and Mick,
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and the extended family.
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When my dad found out that I was
having a tram named after me,
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he said, "Oh, great,
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"so all my mates will say that
'I've ridden Vicky McClure'."
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It's a great joke.
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SHE LAUGHS
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We're very much a working-class,
hard-working family.
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This is The Meadows.
This is where my dad grew up, and...
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..my nonna and my grandad.
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My grandad once said it
was "rough, but enough".
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And I kind of love that quote,
because that kind of sums it up.
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Hiya. Hiya.
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Aww. Hi, guys.
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I know that Nonna -
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Jean - my dad's mum...
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..she was abandoned as a child.
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She was then taken in by...
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..some awful people...
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..that treated her very badly.
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It's a shame because
she only died in December...
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..and she's in my thoughts a lot.
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And even, like, the...the programme
from her funeral
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is on my dressing table,
and I can't move it yet.
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If she was here now,
she'd be giggling about something.
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She was, you know,
a terrible burper, as well.
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And I'm sure I've inherited that!
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I won't give you an example.
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But, you know, she was... "URRRR!"
You're like, "Oh, God!"
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SHE LAUGHS
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But we never really got to the
bottom of why my nonna
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was abandoned as a child.
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You know, what was
the story behind it?
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My mum's side is where
there's a lot more holes.
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I know that my great-grandad -
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I think his name was Harry -
fought in the Second World War.
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He was a prisoner of war
in the Japanese war camps,
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and I believe he died out there,
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and he's still - and is buried out
there, as far as I know.
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I don't like the unknown.
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That's my problem.
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Even with this show, I'm like,
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"Oh, why? What have I done?
Is it worth it?"
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SHE LAUGHS
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Is it worth the anxiety of
not knowing whatever's next?
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Vicky wants to find out more about
her grandmother on her dad's side -
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known to her as Nonna Jean -
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and unravel the mystery of why she
was given up by her birth family,
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so she's come to the outskirts of
Nottingham
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to visit her dad's sister,
Auntie Pam -
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Nonna Jean's oldest child - who's
been researching the family history.
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I'd love to find out if there's
anything else that she knows
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about my nonna's early years.
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We've heard bits and bobs,
but it'd be nice to find out more.
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Hello! Hello!
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Hi, sweetheart.
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Lovely to see you. Yeah, and you.
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Always the greatest cuddles.
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Aww! Follow me.
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Going in here.
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I've got a photo to show you.
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Oh, really? What, that
I've not seen? Yeah. Ooh!
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Let's see what we've got in here.
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Every new baby made her glow. Oh!
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VICKY CHUCKLES
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I know that's me,
because I was an ugly baby.
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THEY LAUGH
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There's another one here.
Same expression.
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Aww! Look at that -
the three of us last year.
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{\an8}Yeah, that's cute.
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{\an8}That's a gorgeous photo.
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{\an8}She was so happy all the time.
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{\an8}Even to the end.
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{\an8}Yeah, because that was about
seven weeks before she died.
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I don't know anyone else on
the planet quite as jolly as her.
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So into family, so all
about love, so happy. Yeah.
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But she had such a bad start.
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She did. So in my head, it's...
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Yeah. ..it was her trying
to break that chain.
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Yeah. She made a vow - she said, "I
suffered, my children never will."
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And she said, "I didn't know what
love was as a child,
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"so I just wanted to give my babies
all the love I never had."
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Oh, my gosh. I know! Going to make
me cry. Bless her. I know, I know.
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Now, then.
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Now, that's Mum. Now it says here,
look - "Jean, 1941."
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So she'd have been 15,
going on 16. Wow!
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What do we know of,
like, the time scale?
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She was given up as a baby.
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Yeah. And then she was fostered...
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Yeah. ..by a couple...
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..who were...
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They were... Horrible.
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Her foster mother in particular
was very cruel.
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She was sent down
the cellar for a bedroom,
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and she had to barricade herself in,
ram a chair under the handle
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to stop her foster mum
coming in and beating her.
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Oh, God!
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And according to Mum, her
foster mother was an alcoholic
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and a sex worker.
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And it was shocking.
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And with her foster mum being
involved in the sex trade...
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Yeah. ..did she try
and involve Nonna in that?
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She did once - Mum came home,
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and there was a man that her mum
wanted to introduce her to.
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Mum says, "I don't know where
I got the strength from
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"to say no and escape."
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Horrendous. Yeah.
Horrendous, horrendous.
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Let me show you another photo.
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WHISPERS:Oh, wow!
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You can see she's dirty... She's
dirty, she's scruffy, isn't she?
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A "scruffy bogger", as she'd say.
Yeah, a little scruffy bogger.
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She was.
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Pauline? She was called Pauline?
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Her foster parents
named her Pauline.
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VICKY GASPS
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She thought she was Pauline Compton
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right up until her middle teens.
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No way! Yeah.
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When she was about 14,
she told me this story,
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and they were at this house,
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and she overheard the girls
in another room saying,
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"I feel sorry for our Pauline -
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"she don't know it's not
her real mum and dad."
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VICKY GASPS
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And that was a turning point.
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Wow! She told me
she said to her foster mum,
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"You can't hit me any more -
you're not my real mum."
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VICKY GASPS
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Here's a copy of her
birth certificate. Mm.
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That's when she realised
her name was Jean.
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1925. Mm.
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The birth - Great Grimsby.
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OK.
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Who's that?
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BOTH:Ruby Winifred Compton.
Formerly Curtis. Right.
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Mother. Yeah. Name, surname.
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Father - Thomas Compton. Mm.
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And so that's who gave her up. Yeah.
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Occupation of father -
what's that say?
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Steward on a steamship.
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OK! And Grimsby - see, that would
fit, wouldn't it? Yes.
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Yeah. Yes, because she was born
in Grimsby, wasn't she? Mm.
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And maybe that is where
I'm heading next, to...
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..hopefully find more out.
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The birth certificate has revealed
the identity
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of Vicky's great-grandparents -
Ruby and Thomas Compton.
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But why her nonna Jean was given up
as a baby by Ruby and Thomas
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is still a mystery.
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If I look at my nonna
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and her personality and her strength
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after going through
what she went through,
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and pulling her life
around the way she did,
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she's got to have good people
in there somewhere.
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I'm kind of hoping they had
good reason to not keep her.
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It's all starting to become...
real now.
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I might actually find something out!
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SHE LAUGHS
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Vicky's come to the port town
of Grimsby in Lincolnshire,
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where she knows her nonna Jean
was born in December 1925
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to Ruby and Thomas Compton -
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Vicky's great-grandparents.
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To find out where they
were living in the 1920s,
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she's starting with
the census records.
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OK.
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT
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I'm going to put my
great-grandma's name,
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Ruby...
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..Compton, into the 1921 census.
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OK, so they're living
at 9 Pollitt Street,
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Great Grimsby.
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Ruby Winifred Compton, daughter.
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George...
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That's her dad.
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And her mum, Emma.
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So George and Emma are my
two-times-great-grandparents.
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And she had a brother called Ernest.
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Right, so, OK, this
is starting to make sense.
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So, Ruby's married, but living
at home with her mum and dad,
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with her brother,
and with her three children.
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Esme was five,
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Stanley was three,
and then Pearl was one.
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And my nonna was born in 1925...
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..so she wasn't around yet.
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These are the siblings
she never met.
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I don't know where
her husband, Thomas, is.
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I haven't got a clue.
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SHE SIGHS SHARPLY
This is stressing me out!
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SHE CHUCKLES
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I've only just begun!
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Erm...right.
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Vicky now knows that her
great-grandparents,
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Ruby and Thomas Compton,
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had three other children
before her nonna Jean was born -
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Esme, Stanley and Pearl.
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The census also reveals that
Ruby and the children
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were living with her parents
in Pollitt Street,
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but there's no sign of
her husband, Thomas.
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To find out more about Thomas'
whereabouts,
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Vicky is meeting local
historian Emma Lingard.
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So we're in the heart
of the old port -
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the places that Ruby
would have known. Right.
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And the family lived
just over there,
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at the entrance to the docks.
And I have this.
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OK, yeah, right.
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So this is Pollitt Street.
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This picture was taken in 1971,
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just before these buildings
were demolished.
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So this is within the docks?
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It's just on the entrance... Right.
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..the other side
of the railway line.
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But you are in a busy part
of the port.
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You've got the busiest railway
crossing - it's said -
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in the country next to you,
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with steam locomotives pulling
wagons that are miles long,
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full of fish.
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I noticed on the census
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that they had quite a few
people in the house.
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Most people are lodging, as well,
because they can't afford
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to buy their own house,
so they're taking rooms on
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in buildings like this.
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And the fact that Ruby was lodging
with her parents
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and her young family at one point
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is an idea of what financial
hardships the family
249
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might have gone through,
as well. Right, OK.
250
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But Thomas is not on the census.
251
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And I know that Thomas was
a steward on a steamship.
252
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What would he have been doing?
253
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So, as a steward, you are literally
like a domestic servant.
254
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If you're on a cargo vessel, you're
seeing to the needs of the crew.
255
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Right. So, that's making sure
that they're fed and watered,
256
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that you've got the provisions
for the journey you're going on,
257
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because you're talking about
months out at sea.
258
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So, this is Thomas's certificate
of discharge.
259
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So, it lists all the vessels
260
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that he's sailed on since 1919.
261
00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,840
OK.
262
00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,920
Going back to your 1921 census...
263
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..can you see those dates? OK.
264
00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,640
So... Can you see how long he's
away at sea?
265
00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,800
Oh, he's away for a good year there.
266
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So, the fact that he is away,
though, as hard as it is for Ruby
267
00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,640
bringing up a young family...
Yeah. ..he is providing for them.
268
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They've got three young children
at this point,
269
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and then my nonna is born
four years later.
270
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So, in December, 1925,
my nonna was born.
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City of Cork.
That's the name of the vessel.
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You see the date he sailed?
273
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30th of Jan, 1925.
274
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Vicky is checking the
Lloyd's shipping lists,
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which log the movements of
all British ships,
276
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to find out exactly where Thomas
sailed to in 1925.
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{\an8}The City of Cork, that's the name
of the vessel. Yeah.
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April 3rd. Halifax.
279
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Halifax, St Pierre.
280
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Where's that? Canada.
281
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Canada?
282
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Wow.
283
00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,400
{\an8}So, in December, 1925,
my nonna was born.
284
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{\an8}He was back July, 1925.
285
00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,960
OK, so he was out there
for a good five, six months.
286
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,240
So, Jean was conceived in the April.
287
00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,600
So, he can't be the father
of my nonna.
288
00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,080
No. What? OK, wow.
289
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,720
It's took me a bit of time,
my maths isn't great, but...
290
00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,560
Right.
291
00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:30,600
This shows you that Thomas is
not your great-grandfather. No.
292
00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,560
And it's neither your
grandma's father. Father.
293
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,040
Oh, wow. Well, I'm glad I know,
to be honest.
294
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There is a distant relative
who can help you with your
295
00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,920
next part of this journey.
296
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,200
It's a gentleman called Nick,
who is Pearl's son,
297
00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,400
and of course, Pearl is the older
half sister of Jean.
298
00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,160
Oh, wow.
299
00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,760
We've now discovered that Thomas
was not my Nonna Jean's dad.
300
00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,000
And when Thomas came back,
knowing that it's not his child,
301
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,760
it might have been that realised
he couldn't cope with bringing up
302
00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,680
a child that wasn't his, and that
the most reasonable thing to do
303
00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,920
would be to...
304
00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,880
..give Nonna Jean away, which breaks
my heart, because she's my nonna
305
00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,800
and she didn't deserve that.
306
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,000
And it breaks my heart that
she wasn't given to good people.
307
00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:40,120
But how much can you check people
out in the 1920s compared to now?
308
00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,040
I'm going to see Nick.
309
00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,840
I'm hoping to find out what kind of
people they were.
310
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:52,880
I'm hoping he can tell me how and
why my nonna was given away.
311
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,400
Was it that Ruby had an affair?
312
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,160
And did Thomas and Ruby split up?
313
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,840
Vicky has come to meet Nick...
314
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,440
Hi, Nick. It's Vicky.
315
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,600
Oh, hi. Come on up.
316
00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,960
{\an8}..the son of her grandma Jean's
older half sister, Pearl...
317
00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,800
{\an8}..to see what he knows about
why Jean was given up...
318
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,960
..and to find out the truth
about her great-grandma Ruby's
319
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,920
marriage to Thomas.
320
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,960
That's my grandma,
your great-grandma.
321
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,240
Wow.
322
00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,160
Ruby Winifred Compton.
323
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,400
This is a year before
she gets married.
324
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,040
She's 17 there. Yeah.
325
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,120
The people that she was closest to
used to call her Win or Winnie.
326
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,720
Beautiful eyes.
327
00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,760
That's my mum.
328
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:47,960
Oh...
329
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,600
That's Pearl.
330
00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,120
I've always wondered where
my eyebrows came from,
331
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,200
cos I've always had troubling
eyebrows.
332
00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,160
Yeah, same here, I'm afraid.
333
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,000
And now I know, yeah.
334
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,640
I've got a photo that I can show
you, as well, of my nonna.
335
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,560
Oh, please.
336
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,280
So, this is my Nonna Jean.
337
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,120
Oh, my word.
338
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,160
That's quite uncanny, isn't it?
I am gobsmacked.
339
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,880
Look at those eyes. I know.
340
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,440
The Three Graces.
341
00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:31,880
I'm really curious to know if Win
ever disclosed having Jean.
342
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,880
My mum, Pearl, was very good at
sharing all sorts of information
343
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,400
with me, and she never said a word
of it.
344
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,080
Wow.
345
00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:46,560
From that, I would guess that
she didn't know.
346
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,880
Thomas wasn't her father. Mm-hm.
347
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,680
Do you have any idea who my nonna's
father could have been?
348
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,760
I have no idea who Jean's father
might have been.
349
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,000
No.
350
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,840
And is now a good time to talk
about Thomas?
351
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,400
I've got tonnes of Thomas's letters
to Ruby.
352
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,240
But the ones that I've picked out
for you to look at
353
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000
are the ones that really tell
the story.
354
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,080
"Unless I am fortunate enough to get
a job ashore for a time,
355
00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:19,080
"I was thinking of trying for
a job on the mail boats
356
00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,680
"carrying passengers.
They reckon it's a decent job, dear.
357
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,520
"But, of course, it means being away
from you, dear,
358
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,600
"and I want to be with you
all the time."
359
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,040
And he's away. Yes.
360
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,200
And they're separated,
they're away for such a long time.
361
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,680
So, the central paragraph
from this April 22nd...
362
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,360
1925.
363
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,400
So, the year is... Yeah.
364
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,920
The year is important.
The year IS important.
365
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,440
That's the year my nonna was born.
366
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,080
"I do hope you and the kiddies
continue well, dear.
367
00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,040
"I hope, more than that,
you are true and faithful to me
368
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,880
"and are longing for me
as I am for you.
369
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,680
"I should be so happy, darling,
if you could be sure
370
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,280
"that you lived just for me."
371
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,920
VICKY GASPS
372
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,600
Oh, no.
373
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,200
Something is up.
374
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,400
So, she's been with someone else,
and he knows.
375
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,600
It's a small paragraph and...
376
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,200
It is, but it says a lot.
It does.
377
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,840
OK.
378
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,840
"I shall be very careful not
to make another mistake.
379
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,720
"For I think three will be as many
as we can manage.
380
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,240
"Don't you?"
381
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,600
So, now we have the three children,
382
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,800
and he's warning...
383
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,200
.."We've got enough children,
and don't mess this up."
384
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,680
Basically, we can't afford a fourth.
385
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,800
And we know who the fourth is. Yeah.
386
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,760
Thomas was quite clear he didn't
want a fourth child.
387
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,840
Somebody could have offered good
money, which would have
388
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,800
benefited them as a family.
Mm-hm.
389
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,320
They didn't have the space.
390
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,920
You know, it wasn't his child.
391
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,480
All those kind of things,
it made sense.
392
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,520
And also, people can say,
"She's going into a loving family
393
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,320
"and we're good people.
We'll take her."
394
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,160
These days, the vetting for
a family adoption... Exactly.
395
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,000
There's no vetting back then.
No. No.
396
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,240
This is something very informal,
I think, which... Yeah.
397
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,720
I don't think we have much
in the way of evidence
398
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,760
as to how this has come about. No.
399
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,120
When Vicky's Grandma Jean
was given up in 1925,
400
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,600
adoption in the UK wasn't regulated.
401
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,800
Babies could be sold and background
checks were rarely done.
402
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,560
The following year, the Adoption
of Children Act was passed -
403
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000
but children were still barely
protected by the law.
404
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,600
You can only hope whenever anybody
gives up a child
405
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,200
that they are doing the best
for that child.
406
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,920
After you saying that, it does
make me think more that...
407
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,920
..Winnie assumed she was putting
Jean into good hands.
408
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,440
Luckily, she did have a great life
when she was out of that.
409
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,400
She didn't show any signs
of trouble.
410
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,320
She didn't pass it down.
411
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,520
Well, I'm so glad to hear that.
412
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,240
And all I kept thinking is,
she was from a loving family.
413
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,720
She was.
414
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,640
They were a very close family.
Yeah.
415
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,440
That's their wedding photo.
416
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,240
OK.
417
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,200
Ruby and Tom, in 1917.
418
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,360
Oh, he's a handsome chap.
419
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,720
And there's Win in her best dress,
420
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,400
but with the kind of bridal overcoat
of lace over the top.
421
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,520
Yeah, it's lovely.
422
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,280
Winnie was a loving person, she was
the life and soul of the family.
423
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,280
Tom was, for me, this fairly
upright gentleman -
424
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,480
except when he was feeling jokey.
425
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,240
His favourite practical joke that
I used to remember was,
426
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,840
I would go and kiss him goodnight,
427
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,720
and he would push his false teeth
out from his mouth.
428
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,240
It was kind of gross, but it was
also hilariously funny. Yeah.
429
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,040
You kind of wait for it.
Yeah.
430
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,480
Their last photo, maybe. Aw!
431
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,840
They stayed together until the end
of their lives.
432
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,040
There are Tom and Winnie.
433
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,040
I'm kind of pleased,
I'm not going to lie.
434
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,880
I think that's good, because they...
they've been through a lot.
435
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,800
It sounds to me like
my great-grandma Winnie
436
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,800
made some choices along the way
that created bumps in the road
437
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,200
for their marriage and for
their relationship,
438
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,120
but they stuck together,
and I think that's really admirable.
439
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,640
And, you know, my nonna and grandad
were together for 74 years.
440
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,600
So, you know, long standing
marriages are a thing in our family,
441
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,480
and that's something to be proud of.
442
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,080
I feel like there's been
a really beautiful connection
443
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:08,040
to my Nonna Jean, you know,
who was so loved.
444
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,360
I'm sure she'd be really pleased
that we did this.
445
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,480
{\an8}And that's going to leave me and my
family with a bit of peace, I think.
446
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,360
Vicky is back in Nottingham and
on her way to her childhood home.
447
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,520
She wants to explore her mum Carol's
family and the rumour that
448
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,560
her grandma, known to Vicky as
Nonna Iris, was the daughter of
449
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,960
a prisoner of war who died
in Japan during World War II.
450
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Hi, Dad. Hi.
451
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,200
THEY LAUGH
452
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,840
Yeah, it's been going good.
453
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,400
It's been quite an anxious thing
to do, because you don't know
454
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,120
what anyone's going to tell you.
455
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,920
Interesting. Yeah.
456
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,000
So, do you remember this?
457
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,760
Yes, I do remember this.
I remember nonna very well.
458
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,280
She was a bit of a funny bugger,
wasn't she?
459
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,840
A funny bugger!
460
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,640
Honestly, I drove her mad, didn't I?
461
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,160
Yeah, you did.
462
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,880
Yeah, you was one of those snotty
nosed children that she didn't like.
463
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,880
Then we've got this one here.
464
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,240
Oh, this is...
I've never seen that.
465
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,600
Yeah.
466
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,760
That's the youngest photo that
I've got of my mum,
467
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,560
and she's probably about eight.
468
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,080
She's got your smile.
469
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,680
I'm glad she's smiling.
470
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,760
But she'll have lost her dad
by this point. Yep.
471
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:43,240
When she had dementia, and I went
and got her medical records,
472
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,920
and going down, I found that
she had suffered with depression.
473
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,360
Right.
474
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,240
But quite badly,
from what I gathered.
475
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,880
What did you see that made you think
it was bad?
476
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,280
Manic depressive.
Oh, right.
477
00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,560
God bless her.
478
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,880
So, I've got another photo.
479
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,480
Do you want to see him?
480
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,680
Wow.
481
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,640
So, that's Harry Millership.
It is, yeah.
482
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,600
Your grandad. Yeah.
My great-grandad.
483
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,960
Don't know anything about him.
484
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,320
This one.
485
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,960
That's a great photo.
486
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,240
He died when my mum was young.
487
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,880
What I do have is this.
488
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,440
So, that's his grave.
489
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520
She always said,
"We think he's in Japan." Right.
490
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,240
But I don't know that.
491
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,920
And she kept that on the side.
492
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,680
That was always around the house
somewhere.
493
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,160
I've got a letter.
494
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,080
This is from Harry? Yeah.
495
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,320
To Hetty. Hetty.
496
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,440
My great-grandma. It is, yeah.
497
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,600
So, this letter is from Malaya.
498
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,680
Malaysia now. Right.
499
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280
So, November 25th, 1941.
500
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,000
Yep.
501
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,080
"Just a few lines hoping they find
you safe and in good health,
502
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,880
"also the nips..."
503
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,080
And the nips, is that the kids?
His children, yeah. Yeah.
504
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,040
All them kisses. I know.
505
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,360
What was the running order
of the kids again?
506
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,360
It was, Lillian would have been
the oldest, then Barry,
507
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,040
Audrey, my mum, and Gladys.
Right.
508
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,240
"So, by the time this lot's over,
the nips won't know their pop."
509
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,880
I know. Very sad.
510
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,720
"I'm sorry I was so far away
that I couldn't send you anything
511
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,960
"or be with you for Christmas.
512
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,200
"But one never knows,
I might be home for the next one.
513
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,040
"Your ever loving hubby, Harry."
514
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,480
Yeah, it was quite sad, really,
when you think about it,
515
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520
that these five children never knew
their dad.
516
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,160
Oh, what have we got here?
Got a birth certificate.
517
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360
This is Nonna's birth certificate?
Yeah.
518
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:10,040
OK, so, she was born 13th of
October, 1936, Featherstone.
519
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,800
Yorkshire. Oh, OK.
520
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Dad was Harry Millership.
521
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,800
Occupation, colliery hewer.
522
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,800
So, that's what Harry did.
523
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Must have been a miner.
524
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Right, I think that should be
the next step, then.
525
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Figure out what he was doing
and where his mine was.
526
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120
All right, well, leave it with me.
527
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,400
The only thing Vicky had heard
about her great-grandfather,
528
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Harry Millership, was that he died
as a prisoner of war.
529
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
She's now discovered that
earlier in his life,
530
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,600
he was a coal miner from Yorkshire.
531
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,600
To find out more, Vicky's come to
meet former miner Pete Wordsworth
532
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,160
at one of the last surviving
Yorkshire pits.
533
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,640
I'm Peter. Welcome to Caphouse.
534
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Yeah, there we go.
535
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,360
Helmet. Yeah.
536
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,480
Does that feel OK?
537
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,160
Yeah, that feels good.
538
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,280
Well, let's go and have a look at
some of the conditions
539
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,560
what your great-grandfather Harry
worked in, OK?
540
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,240
Yeah, great. Come on.
541
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Hello. Vicky, if you would like
to get on the cage, please.
542
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,000
You'll get on with us. OK.
543
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Hold on tight.
Oh, really?
544
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,360
THEY LAUGH
545
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,880
How far down? There we go.
546
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Right, guys. we're off down now,
we're off down 140 metres.
547
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,520
Until I tell you you can get off.
548
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,640
I've just got to sort the gates out.
549
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,840
Right, guys, you can get off.
Efficient. You first.
550
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,240
Yeah. Thank you.
551
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920
OK, Vicky, just watch your step.
552
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,520
So, when you look at the environment
now, this is more similar to when
553
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,640
your great-grandfather Harry
were working in mines.
554
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,040
I'm going to show you this
first document.
555
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,520
OK, 1921 census for 8 Bernie Street,
556
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,920
Normanton, Yorkshire.
557
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,520
Harry.
558
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,720
That would be my great-grandad.
559
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600
These are my two times
great-grandparents,
560
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Charles and Sarah.
561
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,200
Then we've got Eva, their daughter.
562
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,640
She's 21.
563
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,080
Charles, 18.
564
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Elsie Millership. Laura Millership.
Amy Millership.
565
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,680
LAUGHING:Oh, my word,
there was a few of them.
566
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,400
So, let's have a look at Harry.
567
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,160
14 years old.
568
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,480
Birthplace - Castleford, Yorkshire.
569
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,480
Is that far from here?
No. Only 20 minutes.
570
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,840
OK.
571
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,040
School or personal occupation -
colliers labourer.
572
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Harry's father, Charles...
573
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,240
Was also a coal miner.
So, he was also a coal miner.
574
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,120
So, when you look at Harry,
14 years and four months old,
575
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,040
working as a colliery labourer.
576
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,720
VICKY EXHALES
577
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,440
So, the law in those days prohibited
kids coming out of school
578
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,760
before the age of 14. Right.
579
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,520
But when they got to 14,
they could take them out of school.
580
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Straight to work.
581
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,320
They said, "Right, we need you
to start earning for t' family."
582
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,560
Yeah. Well, with that many
children...
583
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Absolutely. Yeah.
584
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,760
And what would Harry's job have been
as colliers labourer?
585
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,360
So, a labourer can do anything.
586
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,280
He can be digging holes. Right.
He can be transporting materials in.
587
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,400
They were working underground
six, seven days a week.
588
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,080
I've got some photos to show you
which show you what it were like
589
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,000
for your great-grandad Harry
working in a coal mine.
590
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Oh, my God.
591
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,120
They were digging as much coal
as possible.
592
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,400
And the only thing they were doing
was surviving.
593
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,200
To know that Harry was doing that...
594
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720
..it's so hard to comprehend.
595
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Now I'm sort of delving into
my mum's side, you know,
596
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,440
a very tough family. Hardy.
Hardy bunch, yeah, for sure.
597
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,000
The sad part is, without choice.
598
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Right, Vicky, follow me.
599
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,440
I mean, we're wearing helmets and,
like, knee pads.
600
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,440
They had none of this gear.
No. This is crazy.
601
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,360
Have a look under here.
602
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,640
It's a bit tighter, isn't it?
A bit tight.
603
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,800
I want to show you another
document now,
604
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,280
and this document is from 1939.
605
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,640
OK...
606
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,640
So, here's Harry. Yeah.
607
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,120
32 in 1939. Yeah.
608
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Second World War has just
kicked off.
609
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,400
So, he's been working in the mines
for, like, 18 years.
610
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Wow.
611
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,040
And what's this, the mine's...?
612
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,200
That's the mine's timber drawer.
613
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,560
As the working coalface advanced
deeper underground,
614
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,240
pit owners saved money by making
the mine's timber drawers,
615
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800
like Vicky's great-grandfather
Harry,
616
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,960
re-use wooden props that supported
the roof.
617
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,680
This prop is here for a purpose,
it's holding the roof up.
618
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,120
When you take this prop out,
that roof is going to collapse.
619
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,040
That sounds quite a dangerous job.
620
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Many, many people lost their lives
doing this kind of job.
621
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Very perilous.
622
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,440
I really feel proud of my roots
and the fact that, you know,
623
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,840
Harry and his family were
real workers.
624
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,320
Working hard. BLEEPhard.
625
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Do you know what I mean? Like...
626
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,760
It kind of...it's blowing my mind.
627
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,040
From what I know,
he died in a Japanese war camp
628
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,080
as a prisoner of war.
629
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,760
And knowing that he left to go to
fight in the Second World War
630
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,200
would have been probably not too
long after he was doing this job.
631
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,640
Oh. "Tanks crossing". OK.
632
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,680
So, we are in military world.
633
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,600
To find out how her
great-grandfather Harry ended up
634
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,600
as a prisoner of war, Vicky is on
her way to Larkhill army base
635
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,680
to meet historian
Dr Yasmin Khan.
636
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,840
Lovely to meet you.
Hello. Good to see you.
637
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,560
I've got something to show you here
638
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,800
which relates to your
great-grandfather.
639
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Territorial Army record
of service paper.
640
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,360
So, he was requested to go,
without choice. That's it.
641
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,760
He's been called up. Right.
642
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,400
He's in his early 30s. Yeah.
643
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,880
I think he must have known that
the time was coming.
644
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,080
So, by 1940, he's in the army.
645
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,640
And this is exactly the area that
he would have been training...
646
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Oh, wow. Right.
647
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160
There's something else I wanted
to show you,
648
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,680
which is an extract from his
military papers.
649
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,880
OK.
650
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,760
Absent without leave.
651
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,840
Rejoined from absence.
652
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,320
Ordered 28 days detention. Yeah.
653
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,040
And forfeits five days' pay.
654
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,560
What does that mean?
655
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,600
So, he went AWOL. Right.
656
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,080
He went absent without leave.
Yeah. Only for five days.
657
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,080
So, you can see here the dates.
658
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,520
22nd of the 12th
to 27th of the 12th, '40.
659
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,640
Oh, right, so it's Christmas.
He's gone for Christmas. Yeah.
660
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,400
For Christmas. I get that.
661
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,040
We're all about Christmas
in my family.
662
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,280
A lot of men did around that
Christmas of 1940.
663
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,120
But looking back, when we see that,
we know that that's the last time
664
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,680
he would have been with his family
at Christmas-time.
665
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,800
My God.
666
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,560
So, then he's moved to the
80th Anti-Tank Regiment. Oh, OK.
667
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,880
And these are the stores of
the Royal Artillery Museum,
668
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,120
and inside there's one of the guns
that he would have trained on
669
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,680
and used around here in Wiltshire.
670
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,320
So, we can go in and have a look
at it.
671
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Brilliant. Let's go and take a look.
672
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,000
And I'll take you down this way.
673
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,400
Oh.
674
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Wow.
675
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,840
Guns going back to Victorian times.
676
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,400
This is what I really wanted
to show you.
677
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,040
This one? This one.
678
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,200
And this would have been the sort
of thing that your great-grandfather
679
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,560
used, which was a 2-pounder,
and it's an anti-tank gun. Huge.
680
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,720
Wow.
681
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Can I? Yeah.
682
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:20,440
VICKY LAUGHS
683
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,280
Oh, my God.
684
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,000
God, he's gone from being
underground for 18 years
685
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,880
to sitting behind this.
686
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,480
So, this is something I wanted
to show you,
687
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,000
which sheds a bit more light
on his journey.
688
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,080
"From the memoirs of George K
Topping,
689
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,120
"80th Anti-Tank Regiment RA."
690
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,480
So, this is George, who's a member
of the same regiment.
691
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,640
"August, 1941.
692
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,760
"Then the blow fell.
693
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,720
"Here I was embarked upon a journey
to God alone knew where,
694
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,520
"and in the midst of a war about
to embark overseas.
695
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,600
"No doubt eventually coming
face-to-face with the enemy
696
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,400
"on some far-off battlefront.
697
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560
"How would I face up to an enemy
coming at me with a rifle
698
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,320
"and fixed bayonet, or firing at me
with a machinegun?
699
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,080
"I did not consider myself yet
a soldier,
700
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,080
"with only three months of army
discipline behind me.
701
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120
"I was still a boy recruit,
dressed in an army uniform."
702
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,080
Oh, God.
703
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,080
Oh, that's really emotional.
704
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,720
It just gives a sense...
Gives a sense, yeah.
705
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,080
..of what it would have been like
706
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,760
to be told you're going overseas.
Yeah.
707
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,160
And he's given a tropical kit.
708
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,480
So, they knew if it was a tropical
kit, they're going east. Yeah.
709
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,320
But they weren't told the
destination, because there's so much
710
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,880
secrecy during the war. They're
worried about U-boats in the waters.
711
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,920
They want to keep the troop
movements quiet. Yeah, of course.
712
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,680
So, they're not told where
they're going.
713
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,640
You can't even imagine how anxious
he must have felt.
714
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,160
And then, takes 70 days to get
to their destination.
715
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,440
That's unbelievable. 70 days?
716
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,520
But eventually they stop
in Singapore,
717
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,280
and that's where his final
destination is.
718
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,360
And this is a really critical
moment in the war.
719
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Vicky's great-grandfather Harry
and his regiment were sent to
720
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Singapore to protect British
imperial territory
721
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,840
from Japanese aggression.
722
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:32,200
But on December 8th, 1941,
barely a month after their arrival,
723
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:37,280
Japanese forces began a
land, sea and air assault,
724
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,560
advancing rapidly to the island
of Singapore,
725
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,800
where Harry and the Allied troops
were trapped.
726
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,800
Churchill was really anxious
and angry about this.
727
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,280
In fact, he said, there should be
no thought of saving lives,
728
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,800
that they must fight to
the bitter end.
729
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,400
And he said that the whole honour
of the British Empire
730
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,280
and of the British Army was
at stake. Right.
731
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,880
It's lads like your
great-grandfather who are
732
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,720
really caught up in that.
733
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,400
And there's not much real thought
about their lives.
734
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,200
After just one week, the Allies
were forced to surrender Singapore
735
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,000
on the 15th of February, 1942.
736
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,800
This was one of the greatest defeats
that the British suffered
737
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,400
in World War II.
738
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,440
And then, the surrender.
739
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,120
It's an unbelievable photo.
740
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,960
I've never seen anything like it.
741
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,240
And knowing that is exactly what it
would have been like for him.
742
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:44,360
Around 130,000 prisoners, including
Vicky's great-grandfather Harry,
743
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,720
were taken by the Japanese
during the campaign.
744
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,480
And I've got something else
to show you here.
745
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,640
Prisoner of war Japanese
Taiwan camp.
746
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,760
So, he's in Taiwan.
747
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,760
That's where they've taken him
from Singapore,
748
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,240
and that's where the Japanese
war camp is.
749
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,120
Wow.
750
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,040
God, I can't wait to tell my mum.
751
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,000
It's not a nice thing to have to
tell her,
752
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,040
but it's answers, isn't it?
753
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,600
PHONE LINE TRILLS
754
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,120
FROM PHONE:Hello.
755
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Hello.
756
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Hello. You all right?
757
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,160
Yes. Are you?
758
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Yes.
759
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,720
I'm in Salisbury Plain
at the minute.
760
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Oh, right.
761
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,640
And I've been finding out some more
things about Harry, your grandad.
762
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,440
And I know where I'm heading.
763
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,280
Where? Taiwan.
764
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,400
Really? Quite nervous.
765
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Wow. We don't go very far!
766
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,840
THEY LAUGH
767
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,080
But I am on my way home now.
Oh, good.
768
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,600
And then you can do me a nice
dinner tomorrow night,
769
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,640
ready for my trip.
770
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,400
THEY LAUGH
771
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Vicky's travelling over 6,000 miles
to Taiwan.
772
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,160
A 17-hour flight will take her
to the place where
773
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,200
her great-grandfather Harry
was a prisoner of war
774
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,200
to try and solve the mystery
of how he died.
775
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Ni hao.
776
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,240
Feeling very far away from home.
777
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,680
I'm not the greatest at travelling
too far, especially alone,
778
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,920
to an unknown place that
I've never been before,
779
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,040
where I know I can't speak
the language.
780
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,560
And the humidity...
781
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,840
It's really overwhelming.
782
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,240
So, this does feel like it's
the furthest away I've ever been.
783
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,520
I just can't comprehend what
he'd have felt like.
784
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,040
How his head must have been.
785
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,480
And, you know, knowing that...
786
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,520
..he was so...such a family guy.
787
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,760
My family keep reminding me,
imagine if Harry had known
788
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,560
that his great-granddaughter was
going to travel all this way
789
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,560
in his memory,
and he wouldn't be forgotten.
790
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,760
I mean, I feel like I'm letting them
down by being a bit scared!
791
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,400
Hi, Aaron. Hi, Vicky.
792
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,400
Vicky is meeting Professor
Aaron Moore near Keelung Port,
793
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:56,280
where on November 14, 1942, her
35-year-old great-grandfather Harry
794
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,600
first arrived into Taiwan,
then part of the Japanese Empire.
795
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,840
Harry was taken prisoner
in Singapore.
796
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,400
He would have been held for about
eight months, and then sent here.
797
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,120
At this time, the Japanese Empire
needed to get all of the manpower
798
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,200
and resources they could to fight
what they thought was going to be
799
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,280
a very long and destructive war.
800
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,120
So, they would have taken the
prisoners, put them on the boats
801
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,480
and shipped them to all kinds of
locations in the empire.
802
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,120
Now, those ships were really only
designed for animals and cargo.
803
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,440
They have subsequently been
called "hell ships".
804
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,800
Really?
805
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,080
So, we have an account here
by Adam Houston,
806
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,400
who is on the same ship as Harry.
807
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,280
I'm not sure if I want to read this.
808
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,920
"Mats of straw were laid on
the floors of spaces
809
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,840
"and electric lamps were strung
along the ceilings.
810
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,800
"Into these spaces, men were packed
like old boots in a cupboard."
811
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,880
God, what a saying -
"old boots in a cupboard".
812
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,200
"Air in the hold being vile,
we were glad on the second day
813
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:04,040
"when the Nips dropped a
canvas airshaft into the stench."
814
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,960
So, what does that mean?
815
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,480
It's now considered an offensive
term for Japanese people.
816
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,840
Oh, right, OK.
817
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,160
It's derived from the original
name for Japan, Nippon.
818
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,960
So, what was that?
819
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,840
Well, the stench would have been
all of the unwashed men
820
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,840
kept in close quarters, some of whom
were suffering from dysentery,
821
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,400
which would have affected
their bowel movements. Right.
822
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,320
So, the smell would have got worse
and worse. As they're packed into
823
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,880
close quarters, they're also
fighting for oxygen.
824
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,440
Oh, God.
825
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,080
It's just too difficult to breathe,
826
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,640
packed in that closely.
827
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,720
"Early in the morning of November
the 14th, the England Maru arrived
828
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,680
"in port, where we, the human
cattle, prepared to struggle ashore
829
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,880
"after gobbling a hasty breakfast
of rice and greasy water.
830
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,800
"The previous night, another man
had died of dysentery."
831
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,120
The infection would have
dehydrated you. Right, OK.
832
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,280
Eventually, also from malnutrition,
you would have perished.
833
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,880
It's just horrific, isn't it?
834
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Then they get off the port,
and they're sent to a place
835
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,880
called Jinguashi, or Kinkaseki,
which was a prison camp.
836
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,080
As they were walking to the new
prison camp, there were people
837
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,920
dying at the time, because the
conditions were so difficult.
838
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,800
And some locals would come out
and actually observe them
839
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,640
on the march, as men were dropping.
840
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,800
He must have been absolutely
petrified.
841
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,360
There's a reason I'm an actor,
842
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,240
and it's cos I've got
a very vivid imagination.
843
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,040
And sometimes, you know,
I battle with that.
844
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,560
And I think I'm battling
with it here.
845
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,880
My head's all over the shop.
846
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,400
And then I'm learning information
that is just...
847
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,360
..horrific.
And it's my great-grandad,
848
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,240
it's my mum's grandad.
It's too close.
849
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,240
I feel like I want to go home,
and I want to be with my family,
850
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,360
or I want my family here with me.
851
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,040
I feel really on my own in this,
because...
852
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,000
..you know, it's just so much
to take in and take on.
853
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,480
And yet, I feel terrible for feeling
like that, because he was alone,
854
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,040
he didn't have his family,
and he didn't make it home.
855
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,800
I just, weirdly, feel connected.
856
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,160
Which is bonkers,
cos I never even met him.
857
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,840
Vicky and Aaron are travelling
further east into the mountains,
858
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,160
to the copper mine where her
great-grandfather was taken
859
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,960
as forced labour.
860
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,880
We're now at Kinkaseki,
where Harry would have been
861
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,800
brought into this mine, which was
a massive operation at the time.
862
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,640
This photograph is in 1943.
863
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,040
He could very well be inside
that photograph.
864
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,760
We're not sure, though.
865
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,160
I'm desperately looking for
his face,
866
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,320
but I'm not sure I'll find it.
867
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,520
The Red Cross had no access
to this mine.
868
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,880
So, they were consciously hiding
what they were doing here.
869
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,360
I don't get why they treated them
so badly and tortured them.
870
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,240
From the ship, from the hike -
871
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,160
every single point of this,
they were tortured.
872
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,160
Well, if you read a lot of accounts
by Japanese soldiers, they thought
873
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,440
they were fighting a war
that was existential,
874
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,800
that if they lost the war,
they would lose their country
875
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,800
and their families
could be murdered.
876
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,720
And they saw people who were serving
in the British Army, who were white,
877
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,720
as part of a power structure that
was oppressing, in their words,
878
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,720
yellow people all over the world.
879
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,200
Yeah, there's no mercy here,
is there?
880
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,640
We've come in this mine, walking
in very, very poor lighting.
881
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,480
It would have got hotter and hotter,
the deeper you got.
882
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,920
The lower levels, they could be
in excess of 50 Centigrade.
883
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,120
I actually have an account
by someone who was in the mine
884
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,000
at the time.
885
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Extracts from One Day at a Time,
by Arthur Titherington,
886
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,240
80th Anti-Tank Regiment.
887
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,200
So, this guy would have known
my great-grandad.
888
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,320
Yes.
889
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,040
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT
890
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,400
"Our job, as unskilled slave labour,
was to collect the ore
891
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,600
"and throw it into the chute
built alongside the ladder
892
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,600
"that had provided our access.
893
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,600
"Each man was responsible for moving
anything from nine to 15 tons
894
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,440
"in a day. Such labour would have
tried the strength of a fit,
895
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,440
"well-fed man. For prisoners in bad
health, dying from starvation
896
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,120
"and disease, it's not surprising
that they should fail to reach
897
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,600
"their quotas, and then be beaten
with a hammer."
898
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,880
VICKY EXHALES
899
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,600
God, it's horrible.
900
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,440
It's horrible, horrible, horrible.
901
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,440
"A further problem was the
acid water that dripped continually
902
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,320
"from the walls and roof
of each hole.
903
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,880
"This could cause temporary
blindness,
904
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,360
"sometimes lasting for days."
905
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,200
One day at a time...
906
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,840
Oh, God.
907
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,640
They didn't have much in the way
of protective gear.
908
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,840
Many cases, they're doing the work
with just loincloths on.
909
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,360
Right.
910
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,280
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT
911
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,720
It's just like a horror movie.
912
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,920
The whole thing is just...
913
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,360
I mean, the irony that he had
worked in a mine.
914
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,920
It's a cruel working man's fate.
915
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,320
Have a look at that.
916
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,560
I know there's only one thing
on there you can read.
917
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,240
Yeah, I might struggle with this.
918
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,960
Millership, Harry.
919
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,600
A Japanese death certificate.
920
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,120
Oh, right.
921
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,520
VICKY SNIFFLES
922
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,080
I am sorry.
923
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,720
So am I.
924
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,160
What information is on there?
925
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,960
Well, there's not much, really.
926
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,520
It just says where he died
and when he died.
927
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,760
But there's a Japanese report.
928
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,120
"The man in question climbed up
and used as a stepping place
929
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,120
"a danger prevention board
which had been set up there
930
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,240
"to prevent climbing.
931
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,560
"A nail came off from the
danger prevention board
932
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,320
"and he fell backward,
head downward, about ten metres
933
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,480
"into the second level...
934
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,720
"..seventh workings.
935
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,600
"Although the three men who were
working in the same place
936
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,080
"rushed to the place,
he had a fractured skull
937
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,160
"and was already dead."
938
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,240
Oh, God.
939
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,400
The way they presented it, that
he was stepping on a safety board
940
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,600
of some kind...
Yeah, that's a lie.
941
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,000
We don't think that there was such
a safety board in place. No.
942
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,200
He did fall, yeah. Right.
943
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,120
I think he did die instantly.
Good. It was a ten-metre fall.
944
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,280
It was a quick death.
945
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,040
He was the first to die in the mine.
946
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,320
He was only 35 when he died.
947
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:36,520
So, he didn't have to endure it
here that long. No.
948
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,960
I'm glad. I am actually glad.
949
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Nearly 25% of the prisoners of war
died.
950
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Now, if you were to compare that
with prisoners of war in Europe,
951
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,480
they were closer to 4%.
952
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,000
So, the death rates were much higher
in Japanese prisoner of war camps.
953
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,360
It feels like this was a dirty
secret.
954
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,040
And all the lies and...
955
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,480
These prison camps, they're not
known as well as they should be,
956
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,760
and that generation that knew about
them is passing away very quickly.
957
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Oh, God bless him.
958
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,720
God...
959
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,720
Today was going to be a tough day,
not knowing where I was coming,
960
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,000
but knowing that there'd be more
to discover.
961
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,080
It did get me to thinking about
my nonna.
962
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,480
She was a hard character,
but she was unhappy. Yeah.
963
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,320
And I would be,
if this had happened to my dad.
964
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:43,520
And I didn't have, like, the closest
relationship with her, because...
965
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,320
..because I was probably
an annoyingly happy kid.
966
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,160
Erm...
967
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,640
And maybe this is why.
968
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,840
You know, she always had this,
969
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,880
the photo of his grave nearby.
970
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,760
So, there was obviously
a heavy burden on her.
971
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,400
You know, I think it'll only be
when I get home to my loving family
972
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,880
and a warm home, that...
973
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,400
..it will probably hit me
quite a lot, I think.
974
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,040
Close to the mine is a war memorial,
975
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,600
on the site of the former camp
where Harry
976
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,040
and the other prisoners were held.
977
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,480
Walking through the tunnel...
978
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,920
..standing in that mine...
979
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,840
..that was a very sort of,
quite an overwhelming feeling
980
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,760
of connection, for sure.
I know that he's there.
981
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,880
I know he's been there.
982
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,840
And I know that's where he died.
983
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,840
I'm really, really proud of Harry.
984
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,880
I'm extremely proud to be
his great-granddaughter.
985
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,480
The whole thing has just been
the most incredible,
986
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,640
disturbing and life-changing
experience.
987
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,440
And there's been a lot of it
I've not found easy.
988
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,320
You know, I hoped I'd sort of
have that strength,
989
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,520
that Millership strength, erm...
990
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,560
Yeah, I do, somewhere.
991
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:42,160
{\an8}Maybe that's cos I've got Harry
with me and, erm...
992
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,080
{\an8}..his mates.