1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:02:35,447 --> 00:02:39,951 In 1935 Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 4 00:02:40,118 --> 00:02:41,577 When World War II broke out. . . 5 00:02:41,745 --> 00:02:44,914 . . . it was his voice that brought the Battle of Britain home to us. . . 6 00:02:45,082 --> 00:02:47,792 . . .through his "This is London" radio series. 7 00:02:48,043 --> 00:02:50,586 He started with us all, many of us here tonight. . . 8 00:02:50,754 --> 00:02:53,256 . . .when television was in its infancy. . . 9 00:02:53,423 --> 00:02:55,633 . . .with the news documentary show, See It Now. 10 00:02:55,801 --> 00:02:58,427 He threw stones at giants. 11 00:02:58,637 --> 00:03:01,889 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers. . . 12 00:03:02,057 --> 00:03:05,184 . . .apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover. . . 13 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:10,273 . . . not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 14 00:03:10,482 --> 00:03:14,527 He is the host of our enormously popular show Person to Person. . . 15 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:19,574 . . .and tonight he is here with his son, Casey, wife, Janet. . . 16 00:03:19,741 --> 00:03:22,827 . . .and all of you who he's worked with, inspired. . . 17 00:03:22,995 --> 00:03:25,496 . . . lectured and taught. 18 00:03:25,831 --> 00:03:27,123 Ladies and gentlemen. . . 19 00:03:27,291 --> 00:03:30,710 . . .the Radio-Television News Directors Association and Foundation. . . 20 00:03:30,878 --> 00:03:34,922 . . .welcomes Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 21 00:03:54,359 --> 00:03:57,236 This might just do nobody any good. 22 00:03:57,529 --> 00:04:00,740 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter. . . 23 00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:03,910 . . .of fouling his own comfortable nest. . . 24 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:07,496 . . .and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality. . . 25 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:10,750 . . .to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 26 00:04:10,918 --> 00:04:15,254 But the elaborate structure of networks, advertising agencies and sponsors. . . 27 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:18,007 . . .will not be shaken or altered. 28 00:04:18,175 --> 00:04:22,136 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen with some candor. . . 29 00:04:22,304 --> 00:04:25,056 . . .about what is happening to radio and television. 30 00:04:25,223 --> 00:04:27,350 And if what I say is responsible. . . 31 00:04:27,517 --> 00:04:30,853 . . . I alone am responsible for the saying of it. 32 00:04:31,355 --> 00:04:33,230 Our history will be what we make of it. 33 00:04:34,358 --> 00:04:38,027 And if there are any historians about 50 or 1 00 years from now. . . 34 00:04:38,195 --> 00:04:40,488 . . .and there should be preserved the kinescopes. . . 35 00:04:40,656 --> 00:04:42,907 . . .of one week of all three networks. . . 36 00:04:43,075 --> 00:04:47,078 . . .they will there find, recorded in black and white and in color. . . 37 00:04:47,245 --> 00:04:50,039 . . .evidence of decadence, escapism and insulation. . . 38 00:04:50,207 --> 00:04:53,250 . . .from the realities of the world in which we live. 39 00:04:53,543 --> 00:04:57,755 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable and complacent. 40 00:04:58,215 --> 00:05:01,968 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 41 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:05,137 Our mass media reflect this. 42 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:10,226 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main. . . 43 00:05:10,394 --> 00:05:15,106 . . . is being used to distract, delude, amuse and insulate us. . . 44 00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:17,608 . . .then television and those who finance it. . . 45 00:05:17,776 --> 00:05:20,403 . . .those who look at it and those who work at it. . . 46 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:23,990 . . . may see a totally different picture too late. 47 00:06:09,411 --> 00:06:10,453 Until a year ago. . . . 48 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:14,415 Millie. Millie, just the person I wanted to see. Come here. 49 00:06:22,799 --> 00:06:25,426 This needs to go to the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 50 00:06:25,594 --> 00:06:27,094 Give me about a half an hour. 51 00:06:27,262 --> 00:06:30,306 -No, I need it quicker than that. -Can I get a cup of coffee first? 52 00:06:30,474 --> 00:06:32,516 Oh, get me a cup. . . . 53 00:06:33,894 --> 00:06:35,227 Morning, Johnny. 54 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:38,189 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 55 00:06:38,356 --> 00:06:40,900 -Fred's not in for about an hour. -I understand. 56 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:43,778 Can you just make sure that he doesn't look at the film. . . 57 00:06:43,945 --> 00:06:47,031 . . . until he reads the notes? Thank you. 58 00:06:47,324 --> 00:06:49,450 Hey, Joe. Shirley. 59 00:06:49,618 --> 00:06:51,035 -John. -What's going on in here? 60 00:06:51,203 --> 00:06:52,453 What do you mean? 61 00:06:52,621 --> 00:06:54,663 Two attractive people alone in the copy room. 62 00:06:54,831 --> 00:06:58,000 -Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. -He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 63 00:06:58,168 --> 00:07:01,003 -Rules are made to be broken. -You can afford to say that. 64 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:06,884 Let me see this. 65 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:12,515 -It's simply a loyalty oath. -To CBS? 66 00:07:12,682 --> 00:07:13,933 And to America. 67 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:17,603 -You promise to be a loyal American? -All of the reporters have signed this. 68 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:20,898 -Are you promising this to CBS? Paley? -Murrow. Murrow signed it. 69 00:07:21,066 --> 00:07:23,442 -Murrow signed it? -Yeah. 70 00:07:24,194 --> 00:07:25,861 "Are you now or have you ever been". . . 71 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:28,989 I thought it was a joke at first, but there's a lot of pressure. 72 00:07:29,157 --> 00:07:31,700 -. . ."on the list of subversive groups?" -I don't know. 73 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:33,828 All right, what is it really saying? 74 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:36,789 Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 75 00:07:36,957 --> 00:07:40,209 -I'm telling CBS that I'm not a Communist. -Murrow signed this? 76 00:07:40,377 --> 00:07:43,504 -Yeah. And Fred and Stanton. -Maybe you should talk to Murrow. 77 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:45,381 Maybe I should sign it. 78 00:07:46,216 --> 00:07:49,802 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 79 00:07:51,221 --> 00:07:53,597 If I don't sign it, they'll fire me. 80 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:00,813 Sign it. 81 00:08:00,981 --> 00:08:04,066 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 82 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:08,154 lf I could express it in what's in my heart right now... 83 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:13,075 . . . I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said: 84 00:08:13,243 --> 00:08:17,538 Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you 85 00:08:17,706 --> 00:08:22,084 Yes, 'tis but a violet, glistening with dew 86 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:27,673 But still in its heart There lies beauties concealed 87 00:08:27,841 --> 00:08:30,551 So in our heart 88 00:08:30,927 --> 00:08:33,429 Our love for you 89 00:08:33,597 --> 00:08:36,599 Lies unrevealed. 90 00:08:38,602 --> 00:08:40,769 You know, I used to... 91 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:49,945 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... 92 00:08:50,238 --> 00:08:51,739 ...tough. 93 00:08:52,657 --> 00:08:54,325 Especially... 94 00:08:54,492 --> 00:08:56,452 ...over the past... 95 00:08:56,828 --> 00:08:59,371 . . . 1 8 or 1 9 months when we've been. . . 96 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:03,626 . . .kicked around and bullwhipped and damned. 97 00:09:03,835 --> 00:09:05,836 I didn't think that. . . 98 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:10,382 ...I could be touched very deeply. 99 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:13,385 Okay. That's enough. That's enough, Leo. 100 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:16,597 -How long is the piece? -Four minutes, but we can cut it down. 101 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:20,059 It can't stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 102 00:09:20,227 --> 00:09:22,311 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer? 103 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:25,356 Got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning. . . 104 00:09:25,523 --> 00:09:28,609 . . . interested in setting up a debate, possibly with Senator Kerr. . . 105 00:09:28,777 --> 00:09:31,153 . . .over Bentsen's comments on last night's show. 106 00:09:31,321 --> 00:09:34,531 Secretary of agriculture. Good idea. Can they do it by this week? 107 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:39,370 No, it would be two weeks at the earliest depending on Morse's schedule. 108 00:09:39,537 --> 00:09:42,164 -Still think it's a great idea. -Let's follow up on that. 109 00:09:42,332 --> 00:09:44,458 The Hoover-speaks-on-Benjamin-Franklin piece. 110 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:47,086 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Franklin. . . 111 00:09:47,254 --> 00:09:48,754 . . .than we are with Mr. Hoover. 112 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:52,967 It may progress better as a Person to Person. "At home with Ben Franklin." 113 00:09:53,134 --> 00:09:55,469 We've got the footage, we just need to contact him. 114 00:09:55,637 --> 00:09:59,515 See if you can get in touch with him. He wants to do the story. Joe? 115 00:09:59,683 --> 00:10:02,101 -Delbert Clark's no longer with us. -New York Times? 116 00:10:02,269 --> 00:10:04,812 -Right, our friend at the Times. -When did that happen? 117 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:06,855 Yesterday morning. They're saying. . . . 118 00:10:07,023 --> 00:10:10,734 -How old was he? -53. Illness, sudden illness. 119 00:10:10,902 --> 00:10:13,404 -Home of a friend. -No, it's not an obit piece. 120 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:16,365 Natalie, send some flowers over there from CBS News. 121 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:18,867 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court. . . 122 00:10:19,035 --> 00:10:22,788 . . . involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act. 123 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:25,165 Provides for the deportation of any alien. . . 124 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:28,127 . . . if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 125 00:10:28,295 --> 00:10:29,837 No takers? 126 00:10:30,005 --> 00:10:31,922 McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip. . . 127 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:35,134 . . .to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration-- 128 00:10:35,302 --> 00:10:37,052 Natalie, send some flowers. 129 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:38,929 -Poor Mrs. McCarthy. -May I finish? 130 00:10:39,097 --> 00:10:41,140 -It's national security. -A real ladies' man. 131 00:10:41,308 --> 00:10:43,517 Well, they're in love. They're in love. 132 00:10:43,685 --> 00:10:48,981 We have no show for Tuesday, fellas. So get out there and make some news. 133 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:53,444 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 134 00:10:53,611 --> 00:10:55,654 -See the Secretary Stevens footage? -We will. 135 00:10:55,822 --> 00:10:57,656 Watch it to the end. It's worth it. 136 00:11:00,035 --> 00:11:01,577 Thank you, John. 137 00:11:02,078 --> 00:11:03,412 There's not much there. 138 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:07,291 I can tie it to the Eisenhower-in-the-back-of-the-train piece. 139 00:11:07,459 --> 00:11:09,710 You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? 140 00:11:09,878 --> 00:11:11,920 Not recently. 141 00:11:12,088 --> 00:11:16,050 There's a story here in the Detroit News. Dexter, Michigan. 142 00:11:16,217 --> 00:11:19,595 Kid named Milo Radulovich. 143 00:11:19,846 --> 00:11:21,263 -Italian? -Irish. 144 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:26,060 Air Force kicked him out because his dad read some Serbian newspaper. 145 00:11:26,227 --> 00:11:27,978 -His dad a Communist? -I don't know. 146 00:11:28,271 --> 00:11:31,023 -Who brought the charges? -Air Force. 147 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:32,858 Charges were in a sealed envelope. 148 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:35,110 -Nobody saw them. -Not even at the hearing? 149 00:11:35,278 --> 00:11:38,572 He was declared guilty without a trial and told that to keep his job. . . 150 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:42,117 . . . he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 151 00:11:42,285 --> 00:11:45,454 -His sister? -Yeah. He told them to take a hike. 152 00:11:46,581 --> 00:11:49,958 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 153 00:11:50,126 --> 00:11:52,211 Is he being brought before the Committee? 154 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:54,463 No. 155 00:11:55,382 --> 00:11:57,383 Then it's not McCarthy. 156 00:11:58,385 --> 00:12:00,010 Isn't it? 157 00:12:05,517 --> 00:12:07,976 Milo Radulovich. 158 00:12:11,856 --> 00:12:13,148 What happens to your children? 159 00:12:15,527 --> 00:12:19,822 Yes, if I am being judged on my relatives... 160 00:12:19,989 --> 00:12:24,535 ...if a-- Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 161 00:12:24,702 --> 00:12:29,581 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 162 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:31,834 Are they going to... 163 00:12:32,001 --> 00:12:34,920 ...have to explain to their friends, et cetera... 164 00:12:35,088 --> 00:12:38,006 ...why their father is a security risk? 165 00:12:38,174 --> 00:12:41,343 If-- If-- If the thing is let stand as it-- 166 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:45,180 As the first recommendation was sent out by the board... 167 00:12:45,348 --> 00:12:49,309 . . . I see a chain reaction that has no end to anybody... 168 00:12:49,477 --> 00:12:51,520 ...for anybody. 169 00:12:57,026 --> 00:12:58,944 Well, that's new. 170 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:01,363 You can't call this a neutral piece. 171 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:04,199 The other side's been represented for the last few years. 172 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:06,243 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 173 00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:09,329 You'd forego the standards you've stuck to for 1 5 years? 174 00:13:09,497 --> 00:13:11,915 -Both sides, no commentary. -We all editorialize. 175 00:13:12,083 --> 00:13:14,084 I'm just identifying what you're both doing. 176 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:16,879 We gave them the information, and asked them to comment. 177 00:13:17,046 --> 00:13:18,881 Fred. Hold on, Fred. 178 00:13:19,048 --> 00:13:20,716 I've searched my conscience. 179 00:13:20,884 --> 00:13:24,136 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 180 00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:26,722 And I cannot accept that there are, on every story. . . 181 00:13:26,890 --> 00:13:29,016 . . .two equal and logical sides to an argument. 182 00:13:29,184 --> 00:13:30,976 Call it editorializing if you'd like. 183 00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:33,562 -It is editorializing, Ed. -They'll have equal time. 184 00:13:33,730 --> 00:13:36,064 Do you know the position you're putting us in? 185 00:13:36,232 --> 00:13:38,692 We are all in this together, if the Senate-- 186 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:41,069 Do me this favor, Fred, avoid any big speeches. . . 187 00:13:41,237 --> 00:13:43,655 . . .about how we're all in a big boat together, okay? 188 00:13:43,823 --> 00:13:45,407 Please don't insult me. 189 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:47,201 I have to go back to Mr. Paley. . . 190 00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:49,995 . . .and Alcoa who sponsors your show. . . 191 00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:52,623 . . .and also happens to have some military contracts. . . 192 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:55,626 . . .and tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind. . . 193 00:13:55,793 --> 00:13:57,920 . . . because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 194 00:13:58,087 --> 00:14:01,256 -We're not going at McCarthy. -You're starting the goddamn fire. 195 00:14:01,424 --> 00:14:04,760 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you. 196 00:14:04,928 --> 00:14:06,720 -Colonel? -Yeah, he's in your office. 197 00:14:06,888 --> 00:14:09,014 -All right. -There's two of them. 198 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:13,435 Maybe they liked the transcript, and wanna compliment us on it. 199 00:14:13,603 --> 00:14:15,395 Excuse me. 200 00:14:23,238 --> 00:14:26,198 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 201 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:29,117 I've got a great story about Hoover. 202 00:14:32,455 --> 00:14:35,749 You know how many Person to Persons you have to do to make up for this? 203 00:14:35,917 --> 00:14:41,129 -Judy and her daughter Liza next week. -No. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin. 204 00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:47,636 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 205 00:14:49,472 --> 00:14:51,181 Alcoa won't pay for the ads. 206 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:54,601 And we probably won't either. 207 00:14:54,769 --> 00:14:58,146 -But nobody will stop you. -How much are the ads? 208 00:14:59,524 --> 00:15:01,275 Three thousand. 209 00:15:01,442 --> 00:15:03,652 I'll split it with Fred. 210 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:07,781 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 211 00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:12,244 -He's a Jew. -Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 212 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:24,339 -You did speak with the lawyers? -Yes, we did. And we read the transcript. 213 00:15:24,507 --> 00:15:26,508 We've not been allowed to see the footage. 214 00:15:26,676 --> 00:15:30,846 Charlie Mack is on a plane right now with the rest of the interviews. 215 00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:34,016 -We'll be going right down to the wire. -Your show airs tomorrow. 216 00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:38,020 How can we possibly approve and check the story that you are running. . . 217 00:15:38,187 --> 00:15:40,522 . . . in the limited amount of time you have given us? 218 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:46,028 With due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece, not to approve it. 219 00:15:46,195 --> 00:15:49,156 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force. . . 220 00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:51,950 . . .tried Milo Radulovich without one shred of evidence. . . 221 00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:54,870 . . .and found him guilty of being a security risk without-- 222 00:15:55,038 --> 00:15:57,664 And you who also have not seen the evidence. . . 223 00:15:57,832 --> 00:16:00,334 . . .are claiming he's not a security risk. 224 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:01,710 Wouldn't you guess. . . 225 00:16:01,878 --> 00:16:04,963 . . .that the people who have seen the contents of that envelope. . . 226 00:16:05,131 --> 00:16:06,798 -Who? -. . . might have a better idea. . . 227 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,217 . . .of what makes someone a danger to his country? 228 00:16:09,385 --> 00:16:11,803 -Or should you decide? -Who, sir? 229 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,764 Who are the people? Are they elected? 230 00:16:13,931 --> 00:16:16,266 Are they appointed? Do they have an ax to grind? 231 00:16:16,434 --> 00:16:19,311 Is it you, sir? Or you, Colonel Jenkins? 232 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:23,357 Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 233 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,651 Mr. Friendly, we have been a friend and ally. . . 234 00:16:25,818 --> 00:16:29,154 . . .of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 235 00:16:29,322 --> 00:16:32,783 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 236 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,453 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone. . . 237 00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:39,915 . . . I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 238 00:16:40,083 --> 00:16:44,002 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 239 00:16:49,592 --> 00:16:51,551 As a matter of fact, we had no hearing. 240 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:55,722 We have had no day in court. 241 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:59,935 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 242 00:17:00,103 --> 00:17:04,773 . . . I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 243 00:17:04,941 --> 00:17:06,983 ...as this thing has developed. 244 00:17:07,902 --> 00:17:09,778 Eddie, take the first reel. 245 00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:13,615 -Tell John I left five seconds extra leader. -Five seconds. I got it. 246 00:17:13,783 --> 00:17:16,493 -Palmer. Where's Joe? -He's on his way to the control room. 247 00:17:16,661 --> 00:17:18,495 We have to do the voice-over live. 248 00:17:18,663 --> 00:17:21,540 -Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. -It's already set. 249 00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:23,917 We didn't have time to sync it up. 250 00:17:24,085 --> 00:17:25,460 That's not what I asked for. 251 00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:29,381 It's front-loaded about five seconds. Voice-over's missing on the last piece. 252 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:31,550 Don, there's a commercial in the booth. 253 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:33,552 Two minutes to air, fellas. 254 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:35,971 Get the commercial out of the booth. 255 00:17:36,639 --> 00:17:39,266 You can't have a mic set up here. Do it in the booth. 256 00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:43,186 -Two and a half minutes on the Ed piece. -We've got three minutes on the bottom. 257 00:17:43,354 --> 00:17:45,731 Fellas, keep it down. It's a little loud. 258 00:17:45,898 --> 00:17:47,774 Two minutes to air, fellas. 259 00:17:50,361 --> 00:17:52,821 Charlie, let me borrow your lighter. 260 00:17:54,198 --> 00:17:55,991 -Thanks. -I swapped those two pieces. . . 261 00:17:56,159 --> 00:17:58,618 -. . .of parents on the end-- -As long as he talks fast. 262 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,328 He will talk fast. 263 00:18:05,209 --> 00:18:07,043 We got the film. 264 00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:11,047 -Will it be ready? -You bet. 265 00:18:16,345 --> 00:18:18,013 Funny thing, Freddy. 266 00:18:18,181 --> 00:18:21,975 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 267 00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:39,785 You know, it occurs to me we might not get away with this one. 268 00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:50,587 -Ten seconds. -You fellas ready? Okay. 269 00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,214 Ready on camera one. 270 00:18:58,679 --> 00:18:59,930 Five. . . 271 00:19:00,097 --> 00:19:04,351 . . .four, three, two. . . . 272 00:19:06,062 --> 00:19:08,104 Pan camera one. 273 00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:10,565 Good evening. 274 00:19:10,733 --> 00:19:14,069 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspaper. . . 275 00:19:14,237 --> 00:19:18,740 . . .about a Lieutenant Milo Radulovich, a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 276 00:19:18,908 --> 00:19:23,411 And also something about Air Force regulation 35-dash-62. 277 00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:27,332 That is a regulation which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk. . . 278 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,752 . . . if he has close and continuing association with Communists. . . 279 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,630 . . .or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 280 00:19:34,257 --> 00:19:37,759 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 281 00:19:37,927 --> 00:19:40,095 A board was called and heard his case. 282 00:19:40,263 --> 00:19:43,557 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 283 00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:47,352 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 284 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,104 ...as to the lieutenant's loyalty. 285 00:19:49,272 --> 00:19:54,067 We propose to examine insofar as we can the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 286 00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:57,779 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 287 00:19:57,947 --> 00:20:01,283 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population: 1 500. 288 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,660 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor street.... 289 00:20:04,871 --> 00:20:06,746 What did the general tell you yesterday? 290 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:08,957 It was a colonel, and there were two of them. 291 00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:12,586 -That makes a general. -They weren't too pleased. 292 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:14,671 You're gonna get audited this year. 293 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:16,256 Not me. You. 294 00:20:16,424 --> 00:20:18,800 I told them I didn't wanna do the story. 295 00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:22,888 -You always were yellow. -Better than red. 296 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:30,979 In 1 0 seconds. 297 00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:37,569 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 298 00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:40,864 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 299 00:20:41,032 --> 00:20:45,368 I feel that my activities.... Well, be they what they may... 300 00:20:45,536 --> 00:20:48,955 ...or my political beliefs, are my own private affair. 301 00:20:50,291 --> 00:20:54,336 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 302 00:20:54,503 --> 00:20:59,090 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 303 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:03,678 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, et cetera... 304 00:21:03,846 --> 00:21:06,556 ...why their father is a security risk? 305 00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:12,354 I see absolutely that this is a chain reaction. 306 00:21:12,521 --> 00:21:15,690 If the thing is let stand as it-- 307 00:21:15,858 --> 00:21:19,444 The first recommendation was sent out by the board... 308 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:25,033 . . . I see a chain reaction that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 309 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:28,870 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences just at the end. . . 310 00:21:29,038 --> 00:21:32,290 . . . because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 311 00:21:32,458 --> 00:21:36,044 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities for any comment. . . 312 00:21:36,212 --> 00:21:41,549 . . .or corrections it may wish to make in regard to the case of Milo Radulovich. 313 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:45,387 We are unable to judge the charges against the lieutenant's father or sister. . . 314 00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:49,724 . . . because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers, nor the lieutenant. . . 315 00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:53,269 . . . know precisely what was contained in that manila envelope. 316 00:21:53,437 --> 00:21:56,982 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander. . . 317 00:21:57,149 --> 00:22:01,069 . . .or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 318 00:22:01,237 --> 00:22:03,113 We do not know. 319 00:22:03,406 --> 00:22:06,533 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 320 00:22:06,701 --> 00:22:10,328 Even though that iniquity be proved, and in this case it was not. 321 00:22:11,414 --> 00:22:12,622 But we believe too. . . 322 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:15,625 . . .that this case illustrates the need for the Armed Forces. . . 323 00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:18,461 . . .to communicate more fully than they have so far done. . . 324 00:22:18,629 --> 00:22:21,006 . . .the procedures and regulations to be followed. . . 325 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:23,591 . . . in attempting to protect the national security. . . 326 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:27,053 . . .and the rights of the individual at the same time. 327 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:29,264 Whatever happens in this whole area. . . 328 00:22:29,432 --> 00:22:32,434 . . .of the relationship between the individual and the state. . . 329 00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:34,477 . . .we will do it ourselves. 330 00:22:34,645 --> 00:22:39,607 It cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-tung or even our allies. 331 00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:43,570 And it seems to us, that is Fred Friendly and myself. . . 332 00:22:43,738 --> 00:22:47,949 . . .that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 333 00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:51,494 Good night, and good luck. 334 00:22:57,585 --> 00:22:59,419 And we're out. 335 00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:36,641 May I tell you something about yourself... 336 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:38,977 ...as a member of the Person to Person audience? 337 00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:41,771 Based on audience research studies... 338 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:45,984 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 339 00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:49,070 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science. . . 340 00:24:49,238 --> 00:24:51,489 ...to sports and show business. 341 00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:54,701 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 342 00:24:54,869 --> 00:24:59,581 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 343 00:24:59,748 --> 00:25:02,625 Now, the makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 344 00:25:02,793 --> 00:25:06,296 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow's program to tell you about Kent. 345 00:25:06,463 --> 00:25:11,342 Of all leading filter cigarettes Kent filters best. 346 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,970 Now, if you'll try Kent with that in mind... 347 00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:18,433 ...I think you'll agree with many other thinking people who have changed to Kent. 348 00:25:18,601 --> 00:25:21,728 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent. . . 349 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:24,522 ...and good smoking too. 350 00:25:24,899 --> 00:25:26,816 Did you get the change on that? 351 00:25:28,736 --> 00:25:29,736 No. 352 00:25:29,904 --> 00:25:32,655 -You there? Okay. -We got it. 353 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:37,452 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced. . . 354 00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:41,164 . . . has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 355 00:25:41,916 --> 00:25:45,501 Each day oblivious to time, weather and the state of the world. . . 356 00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:49,964 . . .sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 357 00:25:50,132 --> 00:25:53,092 For there at the end of the tourist line is Sherman Oaks. . . 358 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,304 . . .and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 359 00:25:57,264 --> 00:26:01,267 This is the front, and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 360 00:26:01,435 --> 00:26:05,563 This is the back of the house, and that's Liberace's bedroom. 361 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:07,982 -Good evening, Lee. -Good evening, Ed. 362 00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:10,360 -What are you doing? -Well, I'm just dictating... 363 00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:12,904 ...my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 364 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,573 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here... 365 00:26:15,741 --> 00:26:19,452 ...I also am dictating a book. 366 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:21,204 It's an inspirational book. 367 00:26:21,372 --> 00:26:23,623 Have you given much thought to getting married. . . 368 00:26:23,791 --> 00:26:25,250 . . .and eventually settling down? 369 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:27,835 Actually I've given a lot of thought to marriage... 370 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:31,089 ...but I don't believe in getting married for the sake of it. 371 00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:35,009 I want to some day find the perfect mate... 372 00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:40,139 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed by faith... 373 00:26:40,307 --> 00:26:42,016 ...and will be a lasting union. 374 00:26:42,184 --> 00:26:47,563 In fact I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 375 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:53,653 ...and she's looking for her dream man too, and I hope she finds him some day. 376 00:26:55,364 --> 00:26:59,075 Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. It's been very pleasant. 377 00:26:59,243 --> 00:27:01,661 And say good night to the rest of your family for us. 378 00:27:01,829 --> 00:27:03,371 -I certainly would. -Thanks a lot. 379 00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:05,665 -Good night, Ed. -Good night, Lee. 380 00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:09,544 Next week we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California. . . 381 00:27:09,712 --> 00:27:12,255 . . .to the house of Mickey Rooney and his new bride. 382 00:27:12,423 --> 00:27:16,175 Until then, good night, and good luck. 383 00:27:21,223 --> 00:27:23,558 Good show, Mr. Murrow. 384 00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:48,249 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. When you have a moment. . . 385 00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:50,668 . . .can you take a look at this and sign it for me? 386 00:27:50,836 --> 00:27:53,254 And Dr. Stanton wanted you to have a drink with him. 387 00:27:53,422 --> 00:27:55,465 -When? -Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 388 00:27:55,632 --> 00:27:57,759 I can't. What the hell's he doing there? 389 00:27:57,926 --> 00:28:01,137 -I believe he's waiting for you. -Well, just call him, Natalie. 390 00:28:01,305 --> 00:28:04,474 -Oppenheimer next week. -It's a good show, Ed. 391 00:28:05,392 --> 00:28:07,560 -Hey, Don. -Ed. 392 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:11,272 You're getting good at this. They're gonna think you like it. 393 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,817 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 394 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,070 It's. . . 395 00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,530 . . .day-to-day. 396 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:23,117 Well, if she saw how good you looked right now she'd be back. 397 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,038 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 398 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,335 -I read the O'Brian piece. -Yeah, it's tough. 399 00:28:32,503 --> 00:28:35,630 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 400 00:28:35,798 --> 00:28:38,841 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 401 00:28:39,009 --> 00:28:42,220 -Nobody worth their salt reads him. -You read him. 402 00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:44,055 Well, see, I rest my case. 403 00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:47,725 Does Paley read him? 404 00:28:48,143 --> 00:28:50,978 Bill Paley's not gonna do anything, Don. 405 00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:55,066 Thanks, Ed. 406 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,153 Oh, I just came by to tell you how great the lieutenant piece was. 407 00:28:59,321 --> 00:29:02,115 -How's the fallout? -Mostly good, surprisingly. 408 00:29:02,282 --> 00:29:06,411 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 409 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:10,790 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 410 00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:14,627 -You let me know if I can help. -But you're a pinko, Don. 411 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:19,090 I'll see you, Ed. 412 00:29:34,356 --> 00:29:36,899 Joe, what's all this "Radwich" junk you're putting out? 413 00:29:37,067 --> 00:29:39,986 Don, I can't talk right now. I gotta get this film to New York. 414 00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:45,032 What would you say if I told you Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1 935? 415 00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:49,454 -Charlie, you wanna. . .? -Sure. I'll set up outside. 416 00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:56,210 -McCarthy going to the Eisenhower dinner? -I have no idea. I don't keep his calendar. 417 00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:04,677 Don, ever seen any spy films? You don't just hand me a classified folder. 418 00:30:04,845 --> 00:30:07,096 You're supposed to slip it in my briefcase. 419 00:30:07,264 --> 00:30:10,183 I didn't know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 420 00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:13,561 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 421 00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:16,606 Well, no pun elocuted. 422 00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:21,027 -What do you got? -In short? 423 00:30:21,403 --> 00:30:24,238 Murrow's been a Communist sympathizer since the 1 930s. 424 00:30:24,406 --> 00:30:27,533 Member of the International Workers, sponsored trips to Moscow. . . 425 00:30:27,701 --> 00:30:30,244 . . .and on the Soviet payroll in 1 935. It's all there. 426 00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:34,248 You wanna know why that's not possible? Why you'll lose this one, Donald? 427 00:30:34,416 --> 00:30:38,127 Because everyone in this country knows Ed Murrow is a loyal American. 428 00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:40,087 He's a patriot. 429 00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:44,425 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 430 00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:47,512 -Can I give this to him? -I'd love it. I have copies. 431 00:30:50,474 --> 00:30:52,350 I think you guys go too far. 432 00:30:52,518 --> 00:30:55,353 If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck. . . . 433 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,736 Yes, Mr. Paley. 434 00:31:04,029 --> 00:31:06,656 Right away. Yes, sir. 435 00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:09,283 No, he hasn't called. 436 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:15,122 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I--? 437 00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:18,292 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 438 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,423 Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley will see you now. 439 00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:29,512 Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. 440 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,639 Thank you, Miss Mary. 441 00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:33,349 -Hello, Ed. -Bill. 442 00:31:33,517 --> 00:31:35,309 Sit over here, will you. 443 00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:39,146 -How's Janet? Your son? -All well, thanks. How's Babe? 444 00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:43,276 She's fine. She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so. . . . 445 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:46,654 -That's why I never plan on anything. -Really? 446 00:31:47,364 --> 00:31:48,823 You'd never know. 447 00:31:52,661 --> 00:31:56,872 -Reading fiction? -I hope so. You tell me. 448 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,002 -Now we know how they'll come at us. -That's just their first shot. 449 00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:02,670 Somebody's going to go down. 450 00:32:02,838 --> 00:32:06,173 Have you checked your facts? Are you sure you're on safe ground? 451 00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:12,888 -Bill, it's time. Show our cards. -My cards. You lose, what happens? 452 00:32:13,307 --> 00:32:15,558 Five guys find themselves out of work. 453 00:32:15,726 --> 00:32:20,479 I'm responsible for a hell of a lot more than five goddamn reporters. Let it go. 454 00:32:21,732 --> 00:32:23,858 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 455 00:32:24,026 --> 00:32:27,528 Bill, you said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial and the News-- 456 00:32:27,696 --> 00:32:29,780 We don't make the news, we report the news. 457 00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:32,742 99 percent of the time he's wrong about the people he's-- 458 00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:36,537 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him and we will report on that. 459 00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:39,373 He's wrong all the time when he oversteps civil liberties. 460 00:32:39,541 --> 00:32:42,835 You're trying him in the press. Does he get the right to face his accuser? 461 00:32:43,003 --> 00:32:45,963 You've just decided on this and now you're presenting it as fact. 462 00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:47,381 I write your check. 463 00:32:47,549 --> 00:32:51,802 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school. 464 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:55,264 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road. 465 00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:09,070 Every one of your boys needs to be clean. 466 00:33:09,237 --> 00:33:10,863 Do you understand? No ties. 467 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:15,785 If Aaron's mother so much as went to a group fundraiser in 1 932, he's out. 468 00:33:15,952 --> 00:33:19,705 Hewitt too. Anyone in that room, you make no mistake. . . 469 00:33:19,873 --> 00:33:21,540 . . . I will cut them loose. 470 00:33:21,708 --> 00:33:27,088 Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. But Editorial will not jeopardize the employees. . . 471 00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:31,425 . . .of the Columbia Broadcasting System. Do I make myself clear? 472 00:33:31,593 --> 00:33:33,386 Yes? 473 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:42,603 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 474 00:33:42,771 --> 00:33:44,480 And we're gonna go right at him. 475 00:33:45,273 --> 00:33:48,109 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 476 00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:51,028 If we do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 477 00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:53,239 We need to know for the good of the piece. . . 478 00:33:53,407 --> 00:33:55,282 . . . if you have any connection at all. . . 479 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:59,120 . . . if you subscribed to a newsletter, if you attended a party, anything. 480 00:33:59,287 --> 00:34:03,082 Anything that could compromise this, anything at all. . . 481 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,460 . . . because now would be the time to tell us. 482 00:34:10,924 --> 00:34:13,592 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 483 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,345 Palmer, you kidding? 484 00:34:16,513 --> 00:34:20,808 My ex was a-- I wouldn't say she was a Communist, but she attended meetings. 485 00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:25,438 It was before we were married. I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 486 00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:28,816 But it was different then. We were all on the same side-- 487 00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:35,489 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is, somebody will find out. 488 00:34:36,366 --> 00:34:38,617 They'll hurt us with it. 489 00:34:39,411 --> 00:34:42,705 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 490 00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:44,206 Fred. 491 00:34:47,294 --> 00:34:49,628 Oh, if none of us had ever read a dangerous book. . . 492 00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:52,548 . . .or had a friend who was different. . . 493 00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:55,426 . . .or never joined an organization that advocated change. . . 494 00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:58,721 . . .we'd all be just the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants. 495 00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:04,685 We're gonna go with the story because the terror is right here in this room. 496 00:35:07,731 --> 00:35:09,732 John, Jesse, go through the HUAC hearings. 497 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:14,695 Eddie, Palmer, look at the interviews and any speeches. 498 00:35:14,863 --> 00:35:16,906 Okay, fellas, here we go. 499 00:35:17,073 --> 00:35:19,200 His own words, that's what we need. 500 00:35:19,367 --> 00:35:22,036 --said he wouldn't remove that general from the Army... 501 00:35:22,204 --> 00:35:24,705 . . .who cleared a Communist major. I said, "Then... 502 00:35:24,873 --> 00:35:27,583 ...general, you should be removed from any command. 503 00:35:27,751 --> 00:35:29,418 Any man who says: 504 00:35:29,586 --> 00:35:33,047 'I will protect another general who protects Communists'... 505 00:35:33,215 --> 00:35:36,050 ...is not fit to wear that uniform, general." 506 00:35:36,218 --> 00:35:38,093 All right, hold on. Ethically, we're fine. 507 00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:41,931 But legally if we air this are we leaking closed-hearing testimony? 508 00:35:42,098 --> 00:35:44,308 -He chose to read it. -We're not misquoting him. 509 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,560 There are other reporters. We're safe. 510 00:35:46,728 --> 00:35:49,480 -If it's a legal issue, it's his. -I'll check with Legal. 511 00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:51,899 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 512 00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,568 ...scream and cry about our methods... 513 00:35:55,403 --> 00:35:58,823 ...of trying to drag the truth... 514 00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:01,784 ...from those who know or should know... 515 00:36:01,952 --> 00:36:05,663 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist major. 516 00:36:05,831 --> 00:36:07,581 But they say: 517 00:36:08,124 --> 00:36:12,920 "Oh, it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 518 00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:16,590 Did the Civil-- Civil Liberties Union... 519 00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:19,260 ...provide you with an attorney at that time? 520 00:36:19,803 --> 00:36:21,637 I had many offers of attorneys... 521 00:36:21,805 --> 00:36:24,598 . . .one of those was from the American Civil Liberties Union. 522 00:36:24,766 --> 00:36:28,269 The questions is, did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 523 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:31,105 -They did supply an attorney. -The answer is yes? 524 00:36:31,273 --> 00:36:32,606 The answer is yes. 525 00:36:32,774 --> 00:36:35,776 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed. . . 526 00:36:35,944 --> 00:36:38,529 . . .as a front, doing the work of the Communist Party? 527 00:36:38,697 --> 00:36:41,949 Mr. Chairman, this was 1 932. 528 00:36:42,117 --> 00:36:45,744 Yeah, I know it was in 1 932. Do you know that they since have been listed... 529 00:36:45,912 --> 00:36:48,289 ...as a front, doing the work of the Communist Party? 530 00:36:48,456 --> 00:36:50,416 I do not know that they have been listed. 531 00:36:50,584 --> 00:36:52,918 -You don't know? -I've heard that mentioned-- 532 00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:54,295 All right. Turn it off. 533 00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:57,172 I need those three cans of Stevenson's tacked onto the end. 534 00:36:57,340 --> 00:37:00,676 Anybody read this book yet? It would be nice if this guy isn't a commie. 535 00:37:00,844 --> 00:37:03,220 -Did Millie give it to you? -I wanna read the book. 536 00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:04,638 -Nobody else. -I hear you. 537 00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:07,016 -That's it. -I'll put it on a kinescope. 538 00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:08,684 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 539 00:37:08,852 --> 00:37:11,812 I prefer it one on each end. I think it would be more powerful. 540 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:13,439 Cut Kennedy? Shorten the piece. 541 00:37:13,607 --> 00:37:16,066 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 542 00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:20,821 -Are we gonna make it, Fred? -We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 543 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:25,993 Did you finish your closing piece? 544 00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:28,329 It's Shakespeare. 545 00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:31,498 Write your closing. 546 00:37:59,069 --> 00:38:03,864 My argument was, if you show the images of McCarthy it doesn't make any difference. 547 00:38:04,032 --> 00:38:07,242 If you agree with him, you'll hate the piece. If you don't, you'll love it. 548 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:09,453 They should wait till they get more footage. 549 00:38:09,621 --> 00:38:11,372 I don't think we can take that chance. 550 00:38:11,539 --> 00:38:15,459 We've gotta hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 551 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:18,879 The blue one. Well, they haven't gone after the Alsops or Herb Block. 552 00:38:19,047 --> 00:38:22,549 Well, honey, the Alsops and Herb Block. . . 553 00:38:22,717 --> 00:38:27,012 . . .didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1 934. 554 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,181 Then I guess it's time. 555 00:38:36,064 --> 00:38:37,982 You worried? 556 00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:41,485 I didn't think I was. 557 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:44,530 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 558 00:38:44,698 --> 00:38:47,533 I answered the phone, and it was Howard calling from London. 559 00:38:47,701 --> 00:38:50,160 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 560 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:52,997 And before I answered him. . . 561 00:38:53,164 --> 00:38:57,167 . . . I turned and looked over my shoulder to see who was listening. 562 00:38:58,003 --> 00:39:00,170 And who was listening? 563 00:39:00,714 --> 00:39:02,881 Chairman Mao. 564 00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:10,431 See you at the office. 565 00:39:10,598 --> 00:39:12,975 Hey, your ring. 566 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:17,730 Name me another wife. . . 567 00:39:17,897 --> 00:39:21,984 . . .who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring before he goes to the office. 568 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:24,862 Ava Gardner. 569 00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:32,703 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow. 570 00:39:33,121 --> 00:39:35,789 Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 571 00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:39,293 Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. 572 00:39:39,461 --> 00:39:41,587 -You'd like that. -I would like that. 573 00:39:41,755 --> 00:39:44,631 -This is Ed. -There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. 574 00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:46,300 I've got front-row seats. 575 00:39:46,468 --> 00:39:48,385 Are you interested? 576 00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:51,847 I'm a little busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 577 00:39:52,015 --> 00:39:53,515 Is that tonight? 578 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,518 We're covered, Bill. 579 00:39:56,686 --> 00:39:58,729 All right. 580 00:39:59,814 --> 00:40:03,650 I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. 581 00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:05,736 Thanks, Bill. 582 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:23,170 -Ten seconds to promo. -Do you know the timing on that first piece? 583 00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:25,964 Can we hold all the calls, please? 584 00:40:26,132 --> 00:40:28,050 All calls till after the show, thank you. 585 00:40:28,885 --> 00:40:31,136 -You fellas awake down there? -Okay. 586 00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:32,679 What are we, 20? 587 00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:35,390 Thirty seconds, Ed. 588 00:40:50,031 --> 00:40:52,199 Ten seconds. 589 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:57,913 Five, four. . . 590 00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:00,707 . . .three, two. . . . 591 00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:04,253 And pan camera one. 592 00:41:06,214 --> 00:41:10,300 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial. . . 593 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:12,719 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 594 00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:15,430 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 595 00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:18,892 . . .whatever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 596 00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:22,604 If the senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures. . . 597 00:41:22,772 --> 00:41:25,065 . . .and desires, so to speak, to answer himself. . . 598 00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:28,402 . . .an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 599 00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:31,905 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 600 00:41:32,073 --> 00:41:34,449 "If this fight against Communism has made a fight. . . 601 00:41:34,617 --> 00:41:36,743 . . . between America's two political parties. . . 602 00:41:36,911 --> 00:41:40,164 . . .the American people know one of these parties will be destroyed. . . 603 00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:43,750 . . .and the republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 604 00:41:44,544 --> 00:41:48,422 We applaud that statement and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 605 00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:51,884 He said it 1 7 months ago in Milwaukee. 606 00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:55,387 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 607 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:57,723 ...between America's two political parties. 608 00:41:58,391 --> 00:42:00,726 If this fight against Communism is made a fight... 609 00:42:00,894 --> 00:42:02,978 . . .between America's two political parties... 610 00:42:03,146 --> 00:42:05,939 ...the people know one of those parties will be destroyed... 611 00:42:06,608 --> 00:42:10,986 ...and the republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 612 00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:14,364 On one thing the senator has been consistent. 613 00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:16,450 Often operating as a one-man committee. . . 614 00:42:16,618 --> 00:42:20,454 . . . he has traveled far, interviewed many, terrorized some. . . 615 00:42:20,622 --> 00:42:23,749 . . .accused civilian and military leaders of the past administration. . . 616 00:42:23,917 --> 00:42:26,793 . . .of a great conspiracy to turn over the country to Communism. 617 00:42:26,961 --> 00:42:30,297 Well, may I say that I was extremely shocked when I heard that. . . 618 00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:36,803 ...Secretary Stevens told two Army officers that they had to take part in the cover-up... 619 00:42:36,971 --> 00:42:39,473 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 620 00:42:39,641 --> 00:42:45,437 As I read his statement I thought of that quotation: 621 00:42:45,605 --> 00:42:49,816 "On what meat doth this our Caesar feed?" 622 00:42:49,984 --> 00:42:53,487 The question is, did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 623 00:42:53,655 --> 00:42:54,988 They did supply an attorney. 624 00:42:55,156 --> 00:42:57,366 -The answer is yes? -The answer is yes. 625 00:42:57,533 --> 00:43:03,330 Do you think this book did considerable harm, its publication... 626 00:43:03,498 --> 00:43:05,874 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 627 00:43:06,042 --> 00:43:11,755 The sale of that book was so abysmally small, it was so unsuccessful... 628 00:43:11,923 --> 00:43:14,758 ...that a question of its influence-- 629 00:43:14,926 --> 00:43:16,301 You can go to the publisher... 630 00:43:16,469 --> 00:43:20,097 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 631 00:43:20,265 --> 00:43:22,683 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 632 00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:26,186 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 633 00:43:26,354 --> 00:43:27,562 I'll say that. 634 00:43:28,982 --> 00:43:32,359 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the senator's techniques. 635 00:43:32,527 --> 00:43:34,069 Twice he said: 636 00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:38,115 "The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 637 00:43:38,283 --> 00:43:42,661 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed the ACLU as subversive. . . 638 00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:46,498 . . . nor does the FBI, or any other federal government agency. 639 00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,793 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files. . . 640 00:43:49,961 --> 00:43:52,421 . . . letters of commendation from President Truman. . . 641 00:43:52,588 --> 00:43:56,091 . . . President Eisenhower and General MacArthur. 642 00:43:56,259 --> 00:43:58,051 Earlier, the senator asked: 643 00:43:58,219 --> 00:44:00,887 "Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed?" 644 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,807 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's Caesar. . . 645 00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:07,185 . . . he would've found this line which is not altogether inappropriate. 646 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:12,482 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 647 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,985 No one familiar with the history of this country. . . 648 00:44:15,153 --> 00:44:17,571 . . .can deny that congressional committees are useful. 649 00:44:17,739 --> 00:44:20,574 It is necessary to investigate before legislating. . . 650 00:44:20,742 --> 00:44:24,036 . . . but the line between investigating and persecuting is a fine one. . . 651 00:44:24,203 --> 00:44:28,081 . . .and the junior senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 652 00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:31,335 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 653 00:44:31,502 --> 00:44:34,629 We must remember always that accusation is not proof. . . 654 00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:39,384 . . .and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 655 00:44:39,552 --> 00:44:41,928 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 656 00:44:42,096 --> 00:44:44,639 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason. . . 657 00:44:44,807 --> 00:44:47,601 . . . if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine. . . 658 00:44:47,769 --> 00:44:50,937 . . .and remember that we are not descended from fearful men. . . 659 00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:54,775 . . . not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak. . . 660 00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:58,945 . . .and to defend the causes that were, for the moment, unpopular. 661 00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:03,116 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent. . . 662 00:45:03,284 --> 00:45:05,452 . . .or for those who approve. 663 00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:07,996 We can deny our heritage and our history. . . 664 00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:10,707 . . . but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 665 00:45:11,626 --> 00:45:13,627 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are. . . 666 00:45:14,045 --> 00:45:17,798 . . .the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world. 667 00:45:17,965 --> 00:45:22,177 But we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 668 00:45:22,345 --> 00:45:26,306 The actions of the junior senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay. . . 669 00:45:26,474 --> 00:45:30,685 . . .amongst our allies abroad and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 670 00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:32,687 And whose fault is that? 671 00:45:32,855 --> 00:45:34,272 Not really his. 672 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:40,946 He didn't create this situation of fear, he merely exploited it and rather successfully. 673 00:45:41,489 --> 00:45:47,994 Cassius was right, "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 674 00:45:48,663 --> 00:45:52,165 Good night, and good luck. 675 00:45:58,297 --> 00:46:00,215 And we're out. 676 00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:14,896 Nothing? 677 00:46:17,316 --> 00:46:19,985 Well, maybe nobody watched. 678 00:46:23,865 --> 00:46:26,575 -We got nothing. -Nothing. 679 00:46:26,951 --> 00:46:28,910 Should I turn the phones back on? 680 00:46:31,038 --> 00:46:33,915 Yes, I think now would be a good time for that. 681 00:46:34,333 --> 00:46:37,711 -Turn the phones on. -Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 682 00:46:38,129 --> 00:46:40,505 It's the junior senator calling collect. 683 00:46:40,673 --> 00:46:44,426 It's Reed Harris thanking us for putting him on the best-seller list. 684 00:46:44,594 --> 00:46:46,636 I don't know if you have seen what I saw. 685 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,639 But I want to associate myself and this program... 686 00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:51,475 . . .with what Ed Murrow has just said. 687 00:46:51,642 --> 00:46:55,729 And say I've never been prouder of CBS. 688 00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:10,785 Mr. Stevenson had charged that the senator made demagoguery and deceit. . . . 689 00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:17,501 -Congratulations. -Great show. 690 00:47:18,753 --> 00:47:20,504 Feel like a Scotch? 691 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:22,923 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 692 00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:17,185 -It's 3:30, early editions are out. -Not worried. 693 00:48:17,353 --> 00:48:19,396 No, of course not. Shirley, honey. . . 694 00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:22,148 . . .would you go and get the early editions? 695 00:48:22,316 --> 00:48:24,985 -All of them? -Just get O'Brian. 696 00:48:26,862 --> 00:48:29,823 -Hey, watch my drink. -Yep. 697 00:49:01,314 --> 00:49:03,648 -Okay, here we go. -Here they are. 698 00:49:03,816 --> 00:49:06,359 -At last. -The Times. 699 00:49:07,153 --> 00:49:10,905 -Good. Who wrote it? -Jack Gould. 700 00:49:12,825 --> 00:49:16,244 "Edward R. Murrow's television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. . . 701 00:49:16,412 --> 00:49:20,123 . . .was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 702 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:23,835 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 703 00:49:24,003 --> 00:49:26,838 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation. . . 704 00:49:27,006 --> 00:49:30,800 . . .the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 705 00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:34,929 The program--" Hold on. "The program was no less an indictment of those who wish. . . 706 00:49:35,097 --> 00:49:39,225 . . .the problems posed by the senator's tactics would just go and leave them alone. 707 00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:44,481 That was Mr. Murrow's and television's triumph and a very great one." 708 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,069 -Yes. -Hear, hear. 709 00:49:49,236 --> 00:49:52,113 -He hated it. -Yeah, what's his beef? 710 00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:53,907 Send the Times a bottle of Scotch. 711 00:49:54,075 --> 00:49:55,992 I did. How do you think we go that review? 712 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,745 -How's the Post? -It's pretty good. 713 00:49:58,913 --> 00:50:01,456 -What about O'Brian? -The same. 714 00:50:02,416 --> 00:50:04,668 Go on, go on. Read O'Brian. 715 00:50:04,835 --> 00:50:06,211 -I don't have it. -Got it. 716 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:07,712 Here. 717 00:50:09,590 --> 00:50:11,716 -Here we go. -Shirley, that-- 718 00:50:14,762 --> 00:50:16,346 "We can't say we were surprised. . . 719 00:50:16,514 --> 00:50:19,099 . . .at Murrow's hate-McCarthy telecast last evening. . . 720 00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:21,434 . . .when his explosively one-sided propaganda. . . 721 00:50:21,602 --> 00:50:23,728 . . .edited with deviously clever selectivity. . . 722 00:50:23,896 --> 00:50:27,273 . . .from McCarthy's march against Communism was finished last evening. 723 00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:30,985 By equally Machiavellian coincidence, the following telecast. . . 724 00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:34,447 . . .featured Murrow's PM protégé Hollenbeck. 725 00:50:34,615 --> 00:50:37,075 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck. . . 726 00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:42,122 . . . hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph from and for the left." 727 00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:44,916 And so on. Yeah, so on, so on, so on. 728 00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:47,419 -It's okay. Go ahead, finish it. -No, that's it. 729 00:50:47,586 --> 00:50:51,172 -That's it, that's-- -Shirley, please. Finish it. 730 00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:55,844 "The Columbia Broadcasting System has been in a lengthy. . . 731 00:50:56,011 --> 00:50:57,804 . . .clean-house-of-lefties mood. 732 00:50:57,972 --> 00:51:01,558 The worst offenders on lesser levels have been pushed out of the company. 733 00:51:01,726 --> 00:51:05,729 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko-publication PM. . . 734 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:09,607 . . .attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 735 00:51:09,775 --> 00:51:13,319 He then proceeded through an equally. . . 736 00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:16,740 . . .tilted review of the day's events with McCarthy. . . 737 00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:20,034 . . .dominating his words, actions, attitudes. . . ." 738 00:51:20,202 --> 00:51:22,454 So on and so on. 739 00:51:23,789 --> 00:51:26,833 -It's O'Brian. -Yeah, he didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 740 00:51:27,334 --> 00:51:31,171 -Is that grammatically correct? -I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 741 00:51:31,797 --> 00:51:33,673 Thanks, Shirley. 742 00:51:34,341 --> 00:51:38,762 Thank you. Joe. Shirley. 743 00:51:39,305 --> 00:51:40,555 For the legwork. 744 00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:44,392 It doesn't matter. 745 00:51:48,856 --> 00:51:50,857 To Jack Gould. 746 00:51:51,025 --> 00:51:53,067 To Jack, to Jack, to Jack Gould. 747 00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:55,195 -To Jack Gould. -I love Jack Gould. 748 00:51:55,362 --> 00:51:57,197 -A scholar and gentleman. -A real writer. 749 00:51:57,364 --> 00:51:59,115 -May he rest in peace. -What? 750 00:52:00,701 --> 00:52:02,744 -Hello, Jimmy. -Fred, congratulations. 751 00:52:02,912 --> 00:52:04,204 Thank you. 752 00:52:04,371 --> 00:52:08,666 -I got a hangover you wouldn't believe. -All the ad guys on the third floor watched. 753 00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:11,085 -Good review in the Times. -Switchboard lit up. 754 00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:14,547 We're putting out a release that said calls came in 1 5-to-1 in favor. 755 00:52:14,715 --> 00:52:17,884 -Really? Fifteen-to-1 ? -We got calls from everywhere. 756 00:52:18,052 --> 00:52:21,679 -East Coast or the West Coast? -Yeah, Kansas City, Cincinnati. . . . 757 00:52:22,473 --> 00:52:24,474 Mr. Paley. 758 00:52:24,642 --> 00:52:27,811 -Morning, Fred. -Morning, Mr. Paley. 759 00:52:31,732 --> 00:52:35,401 -How's your wife? -She's fine. Getting ready to move. 760 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:37,153 -Really? Where to? -Riverdale. 761 00:52:37,321 --> 00:52:40,448 -We found a nice house there. -It's nice there. 762 00:52:40,616 --> 00:52:42,575 Yes, sir. 763 00:52:48,791 --> 00:52:50,792 -Excuse me. -Fred. 764 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,921 McCarthy wants William Buckley to do his rebuttal. 765 00:52:55,089 --> 00:52:57,173 I said no. 766 00:52:57,925 --> 00:52:59,759 Yes, sir. 767 00:53:05,266 --> 00:53:07,851 Hey. Johnny. Radulovich has been reinstated. 768 00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:09,769 -What? -Radulovich. . . . 769 00:53:09,937 --> 00:53:12,605 -Radulovich has been reinstated. -Where did you hear this? 770 00:53:12,773 --> 00:53:14,941 -Where's Ed? -He's in the bullpen, why? 771 00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:18,444 Got some good news, got some very good news. 772 00:53:18,612 --> 00:53:24,367 Special announcement from the secretary of the Air Force. Fellas. Listen up. Everyone. 773 00:53:24,535 --> 00:53:28,538 "I have decided that it is consistent with the interests of the national security. . . 774 00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:33,042 . . .to retain Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 775 00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:37,797 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Full stop." 776 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:43,261 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, secretary for the Air Force. 777 00:53:43,929 --> 00:53:46,139 -Make a copy of that for me? -I will do, Fred. 778 00:53:46,307 --> 00:53:48,141 -Let's get back to work. -Good job, Don. 779 00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:50,935 -This means something. -Good news, huh? 780 00:53:51,103 --> 00:53:56,482 -This absolutely means something. -Absolutely. I mean, this is the start of. . . . 781 00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:04,365 Palmer? 782 00:54:06,535 --> 00:54:09,662 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 783 00:54:12,458 --> 00:54:14,667 -When? -Tomorrow. 784 00:54:16,003 --> 00:54:19,047 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 785 00:54:19,214 --> 00:54:21,341 Any ideas? 786 00:54:22,176 --> 00:54:23,509 Just tell them what you know. 787 00:54:23,677 --> 00:54:26,262 -Now, is that testimony true? -No, sir, it is not. 788 00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:29,682 Not at any time have I been a member of a Communist party... 789 00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:32,352 . . .and I have never seen a Communist card. 790 00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:34,187 -You've never seen a card? -Right. 791 00:54:34,355 --> 00:54:35,980 Have you ever attended any meetings? 792 00:54:36,565 --> 00:54:38,191 No, sir, I've never attended any meetings. 793 00:54:38,359 --> 00:54:40,443 Have you ever subscribed to the Daily Worker? 794 00:54:40,611 --> 00:54:44,614 No, I didn't subscribe to the Daily Worker, and I wouldn't pay for it. 795 00:54:46,659 --> 00:54:51,079 Well, Mrs. Markward who was working for the FBI... 796 00:54:51,246 --> 00:54:54,540 ...who joined the Communist party under orders from the FBI... 797 00:54:54,708 --> 00:54:58,169 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 798 00:54:58,337 --> 00:55:01,214 ...at a Communist meeting, that your name was on the list... 799 00:55:01,382 --> 00:55:04,258 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 800 00:55:05,636 --> 00:55:07,553 Can you shed any light upon that? 801 00:55:07,721 --> 00:55:12,308 No, sir, I don't even know what the dues are, or where they were paid. 802 00:55:12,476 --> 00:55:15,144 Do I understand you have never paid any money... 803 00:55:15,312 --> 00:55:17,772 ...to the Communist party? 804 00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:19,774 -Is that correct? -That's right. 805 00:55:19,942 --> 00:55:24,320 -You've never paid any dues to anyone-- -Thank you, Leo. Thank you very much. 806 00:55:24,488 --> 00:55:26,906 Good work, Joe. Charlie. 807 00:55:27,074 --> 00:55:31,577 Now, what is the show? Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 808 00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:33,496 Or is it her constitutional rights? 809 00:55:33,664 --> 00:55:36,207 We're better sticking up for the constitutional issues. 810 00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:37,917 The woman is not a Communist spy. 811 00:55:38,085 --> 00:55:40,795 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon. . . 812 00:55:40,963 --> 00:55:44,465 . . .that spy has gotten into the code room, and that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 813 00:55:44,633 --> 00:55:47,969 New York Times reports, "McCarthy asserts he has new Red-link to Army." 814 00:55:48,137 --> 00:55:51,472 Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today that the Army employs a woman. . . 815 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,268 . . . in its code room who was and still may be an active Communist." Unquote. 816 00:55:55,436 --> 00:55:56,936 Front page of the New York Times. 817 00:55:57,104 --> 00:55:59,939 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members. . . 818 00:56:00,107 --> 00:56:02,650 . . .for wanting to push into the afternoon, then what? 819 00:56:02,818 --> 00:56:05,778 Seven questions in, he ducks out, leaves his hatchet man. 820 00:56:05,946 --> 00:56:08,072 -He leaves. -It's all over the headlines. 821 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:11,868 Eddie, get me copies from any newspaper that printed anything about that. 822 00:56:12,036 --> 00:56:13,828 -Absolutely. -The Cincinnati Inquirer. 823 00:56:13,996 --> 00:56:16,831 -Chicago. All across the country. -Get a stack for the show. 824 00:56:16,999 --> 00:56:21,377 Couple other pieces we should include. There's three Annie Lee Mosses in the book. 825 00:56:21,545 --> 00:56:24,881 There are two Robert Halls. One's colored, one's white. 826 00:56:25,049 --> 00:56:28,301 Charlie said we have some footage of the empty chair. That says it all. 827 00:56:28,469 --> 00:56:30,511 That's a great shot. 828 00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:33,097 Start with McCarthy leaving after seven questions. . . 829 00:56:33,265 --> 00:56:36,017 . . .and then we'll cut to the shot of the chair. 830 00:56:36,185 --> 00:56:38,936 -All right, so to that end-- -Excuse me. Fellas. 831 00:56:39,104 --> 00:56:43,191 Mr. Murrow, McCarthy wants April sixth. 832 00:56:45,652 --> 00:56:48,071 Thank you, Natalie. 833 00:56:51,658 --> 00:56:54,494 If Charlie shoots it we see it first. We should ask. Offer. 834 00:56:54,661 --> 00:56:57,455 -It's a long shot. -What the hell can McCarthy possibly do? 835 00:56:57,623 --> 00:56:59,791 Is he gonna debate himself? We used his words. 836 00:56:59,958 --> 00:57:03,086 How can he? We used the original transcripts. 837 00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:05,379 Johnny. Johnny, we know what it's going to be. 838 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:08,382 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 839 00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:11,969 He's gonna bet that a senator trumps a newsman. 840 00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:16,057 -He'll lose. -Not if we're playing bridge. 841 00:57:17,017 --> 00:57:19,519 -I'm sorry, guys. Didn't mean to interrupt. -Hey, Don. 842 00:57:19,686 --> 00:57:22,313 -It's getting fun now. -Ed, you have a minute? 843 00:57:22,481 --> 00:57:24,857 -Yes, Don. I'll be right there. -All right, boys. 844 00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:27,819 -Playtime's over. -We have four days. . . 845 00:57:27,986 --> 00:57:29,654 . . .to do a 28-minute show. 846 00:57:30,072 --> 00:57:31,906 -Sorry. -Oh, that's all right, Ed. 847 00:57:32,074 --> 00:57:33,866 -Hi, Mary. -Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow. 848 00:57:34,034 --> 00:57:36,285 -Could you give us a moment, please? -Certainly. 849 00:57:37,913 --> 00:57:40,623 Thank you, dear. Thank you. 850 00:57:40,874 --> 00:57:43,459 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 851 00:57:43,627 --> 00:57:45,545 -O'Brian doesn't matter. -He's killing me. 852 00:57:45,712 --> 00:57:47,880 -It doesn't amount to a lot. -It's not just him. 853 00:57:48,048 --> 00:57:50,591 -Let that guy have it. -We're not going after O'Brian. 854 00:57:50,759 --> 00:57:54,428 I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. I can't defeat them both. 855 00:57:54,638 --> 00:57:56,347 Just don't read the papers. 856 00:57:56,515 --> 00:57:59,392 Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 857 00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:04,730 Okay. 858 00:58:04,898 --> 00:58:06,607 I guess not. 859 00:58:06,775 --> 00:58:08,025 I'm sorry, Don. 860 00:58:22,624 --> 00:58:25,418 -Although Miss Moss offered to testify-- -Senator Mundt, South Dakota. 861 00:58:25,586 --> 00:58:28,504 Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. She agreed-- 862 00:58:28,672 --> 00:58:31,966 Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection very much with-- 863 00:58:32,134 --> 00:58:36,512 Do you swear to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God? 864 00:58:39,641 --> 00:58:42,602 May we get your full name for the record, please? 865 00:58:42,769 --> 00:58:44,979 Annie Lee Moss. 866 00:58:45,147 --> 00:58:47,064 -M-O-S-S? -That's right. 867 00:58:47,232 --> 00:58:49,609 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record... 868 00:58:49,776 --> 00:58:53,029 ...and for your information and for the information of your counsel... 869 00:58:53,197 --> 00:58:58,868 ...that you are not here because you are considered important... 870 00:58:59,036 --> 00:59:01,537 ...in the Communist apparatus. 871 00:59:01,705 --> 00:59:06,209 We have the testimony that you are a-- Have been a Communist. 872 00:59:06,376 --> 00:59:08,628 We are rather curious, however, to know that-- 873 00:59:08,795 --> 00:59:12,965 How you suddenly were shifted from... 874 00:59:14,384 --> 00:59:17,553 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 875 00:59:17,721 --> 00:59:21,974 In other words I am today much more interested. . . 876 00:59:22,142 --> 00:59:26,103 ...in the handling of your case... 877 00:59:26,271 --> 00:59:29,649 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 878 00:59:29,816 --> 00:59:34,111 However, the council will question you about your own activities also. 879 00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:37,865 -Mr. Chairman? -We will not hear from counsel. 880 00:59:38,033 --> 00:59:40,159 You've been told what the rule is. 881 00:59:40,327 --> 00:59:43,663 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 882 00:59:48,377 --> 00:59:53,047 Did you begin work at the General Accounting office in 1 945? 883 00:59:53,215 --> 00:59:54,590 Yes, sir. 884 00:59:54,758 --> 00:59:59,262 And prior to that time had you been a cafeteria worker? 885 00:59:59,429 --> 01:00:01,389 -Yes, I had. -I see. 886 01:00:02,015 --> 01:00:05,184 While in the Pentagon since 1 950... 887 01:00:05,352 --> 01:00:07,770 ...have you had any connection with coded messages? 888 01:00:07,938 --> 01:00:11,065 Have you ever handled coded messages? 889 01:00:11,233 --> 01:00:14,026 -No more than to transmit them. -Pardon me? 890 01:00:14,194 --> 01:00:16,237 No more than to transmit the message. 891 01:00:16,405 --> 01:00:18,531 Then to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 892 01:00:18,699 --> 01:00:21,242 Receive or to transmit messages was all I had to do. 893 01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:24,620 And in the courtroom, I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 894 01:00:24,788 --> 01:00:29,083 Do you know the type of classification? 895 01:00:29,251 --> 01:00:33,170 Do you know if they were secret, top-secret, confidential? 896 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:35,589 -No, sir. -In other words, you wouldn't know the-- 897 01:00:35,757 --> 01:00:37,758 -The degree of classification? -No, sir. 898 01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:39,885 I see. 899 01:00:40,387 --> 01:00:43,639 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself. I've got... 900 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:48,853 ...a rather important appointment tonight which I've got to work on right now... 901 01:00:49,021 --> 01:00:54,233 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would take over as chairman. 902 01:00:57,988 --> 01:00:59,447 -Mr. Chairman? -Mr. Cohn? 903 01:00:59,614 --> 01:01:02,366 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 904 01:01:02,534 --> 01:01:04,910 I can say, we have the testimony of Mrs. Markward. . . 905 01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:07,204 ...the undercover agent for the FBI... 906 01:01:07,372 --> 01:01:09,457 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member. . . 907 01:01:09,624 --> 01:01:13,419 ...a dues-paying member of the Communist party. 908 01:01:13,587 --> 01:01:15,504 The Northeast Club of the Communist party. 909 01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:20,468 We have corroboration of that testimony by another witness who was called... 910 01:01:20,635 --> 01:01:26,098 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect that she also knew Mrs. Moss... 911 01:01:26,266 --> 01:01:28,768 ...as a member of the Communist party. 912 01:01:28,935 --> 01:01:33,689 She's already lost her job, she's been suspended because of this action. 913 01:01:33,857 --> 01:01:37,610 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 914 01:01:37,778 --> 01:01:41,697 But to make these statements as, "We've got corroborating evidence... 915 01:01:41,865 --> 01:01:43,324 ...that she is a Communist." 916 01:01:43,492 --> 01:01:46,118 Under these circumstances I think she's entitled. . . 917 01:01:46,286 --> 01:01:48,788 ...to have it produced here in her presence... 918 01:01:48,955 --> 01:01:53,084 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 919 01:01:55,629 --> 01:01:59,840 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 920 01:02:00,008 --> 01:02:03,511 I like to get the witnesses here and try them... 921 01:02:04,721 --> 01:02:06,806 ...by testimony under oath. 922 01:02:06,973 --> 01:02:12,103 The chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn be stricken from the record. 923 01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:14,814 I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that, Mr. Chairman. 924 01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:17,483 Whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 925 01:02:17,651 --> 01:02:20,820 . . .because the FBI may have her undercover. We don't want to-- 926 01:02:20,987 --> 01:02:24,198 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here... 927 01:02:24,366 --> 01:02:27,159 ...as to evidence that we are having and withholding. 928 01:02:27,327 --> 01:02:29,578 You cannot strike that from the press... 929 01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:32,581 . . .nor from the public mind once it's planted there. 930 01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:38,587 That's the-- That is the evil of it. 931 01:02:38,755 --> 01:02:41,507 Well, I don't think it's fair to a witness... 932 01:02:41,675 --> 01:02:44,260 ...to a citizen of this country, to bring them up here... 933 01:02:44,428 --> 01:02:46,971 ...cross-examine them and when they get through, say: 934 01:02:47,139 --> 01:02:50,015 "We've got something, the FBI's got something that condemns you." 935 01:02:50,183 --> 01:02:52,601 -The chair agrees-- -It is not sworn testimony... 936 01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:57,022 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 937 01:02:58,483 --> 01:03:01,694 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington. . . 938 01:03:01,862 --> 01:03:06,824 . . . nor this reporter, know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 939 01:03:06,992 --> 01:03:11,537 Their claim was simply that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 940 01:03:26,344 --> 01:03:30,556 One month ago tonight, we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 941 01:03:30,724 --> 01:03:32,975 We labeled it as controversial. 942 01:03:33,143 --> 01:03:37,146 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the senator. 943 01:03:37,314 --> 01:03:39,148 At that time we said. . . 944 01:03:39,316 --> 01:03:42,902 ...if the senator believes we have done violence to his words or pictures... 945 01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:45,779 ...if he desires to speak, to answer himself... 946 01:03:45,947 --> 01:03:48,991 ...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program. 947 01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,745 The senator sought the opportunity, asked for a delay of three weeks... 948 01:03:52,913 --> 01:03:57,458 . . . because he said he was very busy, and he wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 949 01:03:57,626 --> 01:03:59,084 We agreed. 950 01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:03,631 We placed no restrictions on the manner or method of the presentation of his reply. 951 01:04:03,798 --> 01:04:08,719 And we suggested that we would not take time to comment on this particular program. 952 01:04:08,887 --> 01:04:14,266 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior senator from Wisconsin. 953 01:04:14,434 --> 01:04:17,228 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 954 01:04:17,395 --> 01:04:21,357 ...educational director of the Columbia Broadcasting System... 955 01:04:21,525 --> 01:04:23,859 ...devoted his program to an attack... 956 01:04:24,027 --> 01:04:27,446 ...on the work of the United States Senate investigating committee... 957 01:04:27,614 --> 01:04:30,449 ...and on me personally as its chairman. 958 01:04:30,617 --> 01:04:33,452 Now, over the past four years he has made repeated attacks... 959 01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:37,581 ...upon me and those fighting Communists. 960 01:04:37,999 --> 01:04:41,710 And, of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow. . . 961 01:04:41,878 --> 01:04:45,673 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 962 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,176 We are only important in our relation to the great struggle... 963 01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:51,554 ...to preserve our American liberties. 964 01:04:52,305 --> 01:04:55,349 Now, ordinarily-- Ordinarily I would not take time out... 965 01:04:55,517 --> 01:04:59,228 ...from the important work at hand to answer Murrow. 966 01:04:59,396 --> 01:05:05,484 However, in this case I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 967 01:05:05,652 --> 01:05:09,905 . . .the leader and the cleverest of the jackal pack... 968 01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,449 ...which is always found at the throat... 969 01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:16,829 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 970 01:05:17,706 --> 01:05:19,790 And I am compelled by the fact... 971 01:05:19,958 --> 01:05:22,668 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow. . . 972 01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:26,380 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 973 01:05:26,548 --> 01:05:30,843 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 974 01:05:31,011 --> 01:05:34,013 For example, the Institute of International Education... 975 01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:37,057 ...of which he was the acting director... 976 01:05:37,225 --> 01:05:43,147 ...was chosen to act as a representative by a Soviet agency... 977 01:05:43,315 --> 01:05:49,403 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian Secret Police. 978 01:05:49,571 --> 01:05:53,032 Now, Mr. Murrow by his own admission was a member of the IWW. . . 979 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,743 . . .that's the Industrial Workers of the World. . . 980 01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:59,246 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive. . . 981 01:05:59,414 --> 01:06:01,749 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 982 01:06:01,916 --> 01:06:05,836 Now, Mr. Murrow said on this program, and I quote: 983 01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:09,923 "The actions of the junior senator from Wisconsin. . . 984 01:06:11,384 --> 01:06:15,846 . . . have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 985 01:06:16,014 --> 01:06:20,392 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 986 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,146 If I am giving comfort to our enemies. . . 987 01:06:24,314 --> 01:06:26,065 . . . I ought not to be in the Senate. 988 01:06:26,232 --> 01:06:28,442 If on the other hand Mr. Murrow. . . 989 01:06:28,610 --> 01:06:30,736 . . . is giving comfort to our enemies. . . 990 01:06:30,904 --> 01:06:33,447 . . . he ought not to be brought into the homes. . . 991 01:06:33,615 --> 01:06:37,493 . . .of millions of Americans by the Columbia Broadcasting System. 992 01:06:37,661 --> 01:06:39,745 And I want to assure you. . . 993 01:06:40,038 --> 01:06:43,582 . . .that I will not be deterred. . . 994 01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:46,293 . . . by the attacks of the Murrows. . . 995 01:06:46,461 --> 01:06:50,297 . . .the Lattimores, the Fosters. . . 996 01:06:50,465 --> 01:06:54,802 . . .the Daily Worker or the Communist party itself. 997 01:06:56,429 --> 01:06:59,765 And I make no claim to leadership. 998 01:07:01,810 --> 01:07:04,603 In complete humility... 999 01:07:05,271 --> 01:07:07,940 ...I do ask you and every American... 1000 01:07:08,108 --> 01:07:09,942 ...who loves this country... 1001 01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:12,528 ...to join with me. 1002 01:07:39,806 --> 01:07:41,849 Everyone talks about the weather. 1003 01:07:42,809 --> 01:07:45,686 Wherever you look on America's modern farms. . . 1004 01:07:45,854 --> 01:07:47,646 ...aluminum is on the job... 1005 01:07:47,814 --> 01:07:50,983 ...helping the farmer do something about the weather. 1006 01:07:51,151 --> 01:07:56,029 Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa, since 1 888... 1007 01:07:56,197 --> 01:08:00,492 ...has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal. 1008 01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:05,372 New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming. 1009 01:08:05,540 --> 01:08:09,460 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer: 1010 01:08:09,627 --> 01:08:13,547 Alcoa. Aluminum Company of America. 1011 01:08:13,715 --> 01:08:16,300 Last week Senator McCarthy appeared on this program. . . 1012 01:08:16,468 --> 01:08:20,387 . . .to correct any errors he may have thought we made in our report of March ninth. 1013 01:08:20,555 --> 01:08:23,849 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made. . . 1014 01:08:24,017 --> 01:08:27,478 . . .we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 1015 01:08:27,645 --> 01:08:30,230 He proved again that anyone who exposes him. . . 1016 01:08:30,398 --> 01:08:34,860 . . .anyone who does not share his hysterical disregard for decency and human dignity. . . 1017 01:08:35,028 --> 01:08:37,362 . . .and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. . . 1018 01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:40,699 . . . must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 1019 01:08:40,867 --> 01:08:43,368 I fully expected this treatment. 1020 01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:47,623 The senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals and institutions. . . 1021 01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:50,667 . . . he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 1022 01:08:50,835 --> 01:08:53,045 His proposition is very simple: 1023 01:08:53,213 --> 01:08:56,590 Anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods. . . 1024 01:08:56,758 --> 01:08:58,634 . . . must be a Communist. 1025 01:08:58,802 --> 01:09:02,888 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in this country. 1026 01:09:03,223 --> 01:09:06,850 For the record let's consider briefly some of the senator's charges. 1027 01:09:07,018 --> 01:09:09,186 He claimed but offered no proof. . . 1028 01:09:09,354 --> 01:09:12,523 . . .that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 1029 01:09:12,690 --> 01:09:14,107 That is false. 1030 01:09:14,275 --> 01:09:18,862 I was never a member of the IWW, never applied for membership. 1031 01:09:19,531 --> 01:09:21,782 The senator charged that Professor Harold Laski. . . 1032 01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:24,910 . . .a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 1033 01:09:25,078 --> 01:09:26,328 That's true. 1034 01:09:26,496 --> 01:09:27,746 He is dead. 1035 01:09:27,914 --> 01:09:30,707 He was a socialist, I am not. 1036 01:09:30,875 --> 01:09:32,918 He was one of those civilized individuals. . . 1037 01:09:33,086 --> 01:09:36,255 . . .who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles. . . 1038 01:09:36,422 --> 01:09:39,049 . . .as a precondition for conversation or friendship. 1039 01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:42,386 I do not agree with his political ideas. 1040 01:09:42,554 --> 01:09:44,972 Laski, as he makes clear in the introduction. . . 1041 01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:48,600 . . .dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement. . . 1042 01:09:48,768 --> 01:09:52,729 . . . but because he held my wartime broadcasts from London in high regard. 1043 01:09:52,897 --> 01:09:55,399 And the dedication so reads. 1044 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:59,027 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today. . . 1045 01:09:59,195 --> 01:10:02,656 . . .that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy. . . 1046 01:10:02,824 --> 01:10:04,074 . . .the clash of ideas. . . 1047 01:10:04,242 --> 01:10:06,243 . . .with Communists anywhere in the world. . . 1048 01:10:06,411 --> 01:10:09,288 . . .without becoming contaminated or converted. 1049 01:10:09,455 --> 01:10:12,291 I believe that our faith, our conviction. . . 1050 01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:15,002 . . .our determination are stronger than theirs. . . 1051 01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:17,296 . . .and that we can compete, and successfully. . . 1052 01:10:17,463 --> 01:10:19,965 . . . not only in the area of bombs. . . 1053 01:10:20,133 --> 01:10:23,093 . . . but in the area of ideas. 1054 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:27,472 I have worked with CBS for more than 1 9 years. 1055 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,851 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility. . . 1056 01:10:31,019 --> 01:10:34,271 . . .as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1057 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,858 I require no lectures from the junior senator from Wisconsin. . . 1058 01:10:38,026 --> 01:10:40,611 . . .as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 1059 01:10:41,821 --> 01:10:43,989 Having searched my conscience and my files. . . 1060 01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:47,367 . . . I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise. . . 1061 01:10:47,535 --> 01:10:51,622 . . . but I have attempted to pursue the truth with some diligence and to report it. . . 1062 01:10:51,789 --> 01:10:54,708 . . .even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance. . . 1063 01:10:54,876 --> 01:10:58,837 . . .that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1064 01:10:59,339 --> 01:11:04,176 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest to the country next week. 1065 01:11:04,344 --> 01:11:07,054 Good night, and good luck. 1066 01:11:13,686 --> 01:11:17,272 "In the last analysis the senator was perched on the television high-dive. . . 1067 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,691 . . .and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1068 01:11:19,859 --> 01:11:23,695 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first where he was going to land. 1069 01:11:23,863 --> 01:11:26,365 It must have been a shock to find that Mr. Murrow. . . 1070 01:11:26,532 --> 01:11:29,534 . . . had drained the water out of the pool." 1071 01:11:29,744 --> 01:11:32,287 -Is that the Times? Gould? -Yeah, it's Jack Gould at the Times. 1072 01:11:32,455 --> 01:11:33,664 He's a hell of a writer. 1073 01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:35,874 You should hire him away from the Times. 1074 01:11:36,042 --> 01:11:37,751 If we can afford him. 1075 01:11:37,919 --> 01:11:40,337 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1076 01:11:40,964 --> 01:11:42,214 What? 1077 01:11:42,382 --> 01:11:45,550 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure. . . 1078 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,386 . . .to get preferential treatment for Schine. 1079 01:11:47,553 --> 01:11:49,012 I saw Crichton down at the Sun. 1080 01:11:49,180 --> 01:11:50,430 -He's unimpeachable. -Second source? 1081 01:11:50,598 --> 01:11:52,975 No, but it's coming out on the wire in two hours. 1082 01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:54,726 Who's heading up the investigation? 1083 01:11:54,894 --> 01:11:57,521 -It's not gonna be McCarthy. -Are you--? Really? 1084 01:11:57,689 --> 01:12:01,942 -What happened? What's going on? -Call the Post for a second source. 1085 01:12:02,819 --> 01:12:05,153 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1086 01:12:05,488 --> 01:12:07,572 There is an added bit of comedy to this story. 1087 01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:09,783 The committee can't convene for several days. . . 1088 01:12:09,951 --> 01:12:12,369 . . . because Senator McCarthy has a case of laryngitis. 1089 01:12:12,537 --> 01:12:17,082 And he must recover in the desert air of Arizona. 1090 01:12:18,543 --> 01:12:19,751 Oh, how mysterious. 1091 01:12:19,919 --> 01:12:21,461 But Stevens is going after him. . . 1092 01:12:21,629 --> 01:12:23,505 -. . .and it looks like Joe Welch. -Yeah. 1093 01:12:23,673 --> 01:12:26,717 -They'll allow each side to call witnesses-- -Great, I'm on that. 1094 01:12:26,884 --> 01:12:28,218 --and be privy to testimony. 1095 01:12:28,386 --> 01:12:30,721 Hey, Fred, we still have a meeting when I get back. 1096 01:12:30,888 --> 01:12:32,764 We're gonna go talk to Thompson. 1097 01:12:34,475 --> 01:12:36,601 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1098 01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:40,689 Well, Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with Howdy Doody, huh. 1099 01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:42,983 Can I have an outside line, please? 1100 01:12:45,111 --> 01:12:48,280 -Outside line, please. -Yes, 74, 76. . . . 1101 01:13:12,138 --> 01:13:14,973 "The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday. . . 1102 01:13:15,141 --> 01:13:17,517 . . .does not remove from the record. . . 1103 01:13:17,685 --> 01:13:21,271 . . .that peculiar history of the leftist slanting of the news. . . 1104 01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,817 . . . indulged consistently by the Columbia Broadcasting System. 1105 01:13:26,069 --> 01:13:28,695 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's. . . 1106 01:13:28,863 --> 01:13:31,156 . . .strange and questionable new methods. . . 1107 01:13:31,324 --> 01:13:35,535 . . .considered typical of its newscasters. 1108 01:13:35,703 --> 01:13:38,163 By Jack O'Brian." 1109 01:15:11,924 --> 01:15:14,759 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1110 01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:20,182 One of the best programs I ever heard was called CBS Views the Press. 1111 01:15:20,975 --> 01:15:23,643 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 1112 01:15:23,811 --> 01:15:26,313 ...but no one ever called it anything but honest. 1113 01:15:26,898 --> 01:15:29,608 It was the work of an honest reporter. 1114 01:15:29,775 --> 01:15:31,443 Don Hollenbeck. 1115 01:15:31,652 --> 01:15:34,237 He also worked occasionally on See it Now. 1116 01:15:34,655 --> 01:15:37,449 He did the 11 p.m. news over some of these stations. 1117 01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:41,036 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 1118 01:15:41,537 --> 01:15:44,623 The police said it was suicide. Gas. 1119 01:15:45,958 --> 01:15:47,334 Not much of an obit. 1120 01:15:47,501 --> 01:15:51,087 But at least we got our facts straight. And it was brief. 1121 01:15:51,797 --> 01:15:54,466 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1122 01:15:55,301 --> 01:15:57,552 Good night, and good luck. 1123 01:16:02,683 --> 01:16:04,809 Gotta be in Philadelphia this morning. 1124 01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:07,562 What time is your train? 1125 01:16:08,481 --> 01:16:09,731 Eight. 1126 01:16:11,025 --> 01:16:13,151 Charlie going with you? 1127 01:16:22,828 --> 01:16:24,496 Here's a thought. 1128 01:16:25,665 --> 01:16:27,540 What if we're wrong? 1129 01:16:29,752 --> 01:16:31,336 We're not wrong. 1130 01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:35,048 We're not gonna look back and. . . 1131 01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:39,052 . . .say we protected the wrong side? 1132 01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:42,889 Protected them from what? 1133 01:16:43,057 --> 01:16:46,476 In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 1134 01:16:47,436 --> 01:16:51,815 An argument could be made for the greater good. 1135 01:16:53,025 --> 01:16:56,695 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 1136 01:16:57,780 --> 01:16:59,447 It's just a thought. 1137 01:17:05,705 --> 01:17:07,539 -May we not drop this? -Let me finish. 1138 01:17:09,125 --> 01:17:13,044 We know he was in the Lawyers Guild. And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1139 01:17:13,212 --> 01:17:17,007 I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. 1140 01:17:17,174 --> 01:17:19,759 -I meant to do you no personal injury. -No. 1141 01:17:19,927 --> 01:17:23,388 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1142 01:17:23,556 --> 01:17:27,475 Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. 1143 01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:29,144 You've done enough. 1144 01:17:29,353 --> 01:17:32,772 Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1145 01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:38,361 At long last have you left no sense of decency? 1146 01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:40,322 This, I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. 1147 01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:43,575 -Senator, I think it hurts you too, sir. -I'd like to finish this. 1148 01:17:43,743 --> 01:17:46,411 Have you some private reservation... 1149 01:17:46,579 --> 01:17:50,332 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 1150 01:17:50,499 --> 01:17:53,626 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 1151 01:17:53,794 --> 01:17:57,297 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 1152 01:17:57,465 --> 01:17:58,757 Thank you, sir. 1153 01:17:58,924 --> 01:18:00,175 Then tell us... 1154 01:18:00,343 --> 01:18:02,010 -. . .who delivered. . . -I don't mean. . . 1155 01:18:02,178 --> 01:18:04,471 -...the documents to you? -...this new fashion... 1156 01:18:04,638 --> 01:18:05,889 . . .is not chic. 1157 01:18:06,057 --> 01:18:08,933 I think it's just not good for me. 1158 01:18:09,101 --> 01:18:10,310 Not for you. 1159 01:18:10,478 --> 01:18:12,645 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 1160 01:18:12,813 --> 01:18:14,314 I think, no comment. 1161 01:18:18,027 --> 01:18:21,237 -It's gotta be there. -If you can't find it, I can't write about it. 1162 01:18:21,405 --> 01:18:23,615 -Check again. -Charlie said he dropped it off. 1163 01:18:23,783 --> 01:18:27,118 -Charlie said he dropped it-- -Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1164 01:18:27,286 --> 01:18:28,912 -I gotta call you back. -Joe. 1165 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,622 You too. 1166 01:18:40,341 --> 01:18:42,133 Close the door. Come in. 1167 01:18:44,804 --> 01:18:46,388 Have a seat. 1168 01:18:49,225 --> 01:18:50,475 How are you? 1169 01:18:50,643 --> 01:18:52,811 -I'm fine, thank you. -Swell. Yeah. 1170 01:18:53,521 --> 01:18:56,064 You both are aware that there's a policy here at CBS. . . 1171 01:18:56,232 --> 01:18:58,983 . . .that no two employees can be married. 1172 01:19:01,404 --> 01:19:04,614 I wanna ask you both a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 1173 01:19:04,782 --> 01:19:06,908 I want you to just consider it. 1174 01:19:07,701 --> 01:19:09,828 I know you two are married. 1175 01:19:11,497 --> 01:19:13,206 Everyone knows. 1176 01:19:13,874 --> 01:19:15,417 That's not my question. 1177 01:19:15,584 --> 01:19:18,336 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 1178 01:19:18,504 --> 01:19:21,631 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 1179 01:19:22,716 --> 01:19:28,680 I wanted you to know that because you could save someone else being fired. 1180 01:19:29,682 --> 01:19:34,018 I'm asking you to consider making this decision a little easier. 1181 01:19:35,855 --> 01:19:38,148 I don't need an answer now. 1182 01:19:39,066 --> 01:19:40,400 Just. . . 1183 01:19:40,568 --> 01:19:41,860 . . .think about it. 1184 01:19:42,695 --> 01:19:43,903 Okay. 1185 01:19:55,708 --> 01:19:57,375 -Well, Joe. -Well? 1186 01:19:57,543 --> 01:20:01,045 -We're sure gonna miss you around here. -Yeah, I'll pack my things. 1187 01:20:03,841 --> 01:20:07,218 -I think it's for the best. -Well, we'll find out. 1188 01:20:09,221 --> 01:20:11,055 Mrs. Wershba. 1189 01:20:13,184 --> 01:20:15,393 Everybody knew. 1190 01:20:23,694 --> 01:20:26,237 -Natalie, did he say what it was about? -No, Mr. Murrow. 1191 01:20:26,405 --> 01:20:28,781 Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 1192 01:20:48,761 --> 01:20:52,514 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 1193 01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:55,391 -With Alcoa See It Now still loses money. -Mr. Paley. . . 1194 01:20:55,559 --> 01:20:58,937 . . .the fee is $50,000, last week's episode we did for less than $50,000-- 1195 01:20:59,104 --> 01:21:00,897 You're speaking beyond your competence. 1196 01:21:01,065 --> 01:21:03,816 We'll find another sponsor. We can find someone who wants-- 1197 01:21:03,984 --> 01:21:07,362 Sixty-Four Thousand Dollar Question brings in over 80,000 in sponsors. . . 1198 01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:09,697 . . .and it costs one third of what you do. 1199 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:12,784 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 1200 01:21:12,952 --> 01:21:16,287 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 1201 01:21:16,455 --> 01:21:19,123 -What do you want? -I don't want a constant stomachache. . . 1202 01:21:19,291 --> 01:21:21,876 . . .every time you take on a controversial subject. 1203 01:21:23,754 --> 01:21:27,215 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1204 01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:31,010 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1205 01:21:31,178 --> 01:21:33,638 The content of what we're doing is more important. . . 1206 01:21:33,806 --> 01:21:36,808 -. . .than what some guy in Cincinnati-- -What you're doing, not me. 1207 01:21:36,976 --> 01:21:38,518 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1208 01:21:38,686 --> 01:21:42,772 CBS News, See It Now, all belong to you, Bill. 1209 01:21:42,940 --> 01:21:44,482 You wouldn't know it. 1210 01:21:45,651 --> 01:21:47,610 What is it you want? Credit? 1211 01:21:47,778 --> 01:21:51,281 I never censored a single program. 1212 01:21:51,448 --> 01:21:55,994 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 1213 01:21:56,161 --> 01:21:58,454 I fight to keep the license. . . 1214 01:21:58,622 --> 01:22:01,791 . . .with the very same politicians that you were bringing down. . . 1215 01:22:01,959 --> 01:22:03,918 . . .and I never. . . 1216 01:22:04,086 --> 01:22:07,130 . . . never said no to you. Never. 1217 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,342 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 1218 01:22:12,553 --> 01:22:15,346 I would argue that this network. . . 1219 01:22:15,514 --> 01:22:18,349 . . . is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 1220 01:22:18,517 --> 01:22:22,186 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 1221 01:22:22,354 --> 01:22:24,522 Really? You should teach journalism. 1222 01:22:24,690 --> 01:22:26,608 You and Mr. Friendly. 1223 01:22:32,156 --> 01:22:34,198 Let me ask you this. 1224 01:22:35,367 --> 01:22:37,076 Why didn't you correct McCarthy. . . 1225 01:22:37,244 --> 01:22:40,163 . . .when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 1226 01:22:40,331 --> 01:22:42,373 He was only convicted of perjury. 1227 01:22:42,541 --> 01:22:44,709 You corrected everything else. 1228 01:22:44,877 --> 01:22:47,879 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 1229 01:22:48,047 --> 01:22:51,716 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 1230 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,763 What do you want to do, Bill? 1231 01:23:00,434 --> 01:23:03,061 I'm taking your program from a half an hour to an hour. 1232 01:23:03,228 --> 01:23:07,106 And it won't be a weekly program, and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1233 01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:09,108 When would it be? 1234 01:23:09,276 --> 01:23:11,027 Sunday afternoons. 1235 01:23:13,572 --> 01:23:14,822 How many episodes? 1236 01:23:15,366 --> 01:23:16,658 Five. 1237 01:23:18,619 --> 01:23:20,870 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1238 01:23:21,038 --> 01:23:23,748 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 1239 01:23:27,544 --> 01:23:29,587 You owe me five shows. 1240 01:23:38,972 --> 01:23:41,432 -You won't like the subject matter. -Probably not. 1241 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,435 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1242 01:23:58,617 --> 01:24:01,369 -Thank you, Mary. -Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1243 01:24:07,084 --> 01:24:09,252 He wants me to lay a few people off. 1244 01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:10,628 I'm sure he does. 1245 01:24:10,796 --> 01:24:14,549 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 1246 01:24:16,969 --> 01:24:19,220 Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. 1247 01:24:19,388 --> 01:24:21,514 -Probably. -And then what happens? 1248 01:24:21,682 --> 01:24:23,725 -He sits in the back row. -Right. 1249 01:24:23,892 --> 01:24:26,602 They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. 1250 01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:28,813 No, he stays. 1251 01:24:38,657 --> 01:24:41,325 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 1252 01:24:45,122 --> 01:24:47,915 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 1253 01:24:48,083 --> 01:24:51,002 -See? You should have worn a dress. -They're more sophisticated. 1254 01:24:51,712 --> 01:24:54,338 -How does a Scotch sound? -Scotch sounds good. 1255 01:24:54,631 --> 01:24:57,216 -Why are we proud? -You know Joe and Shirley are married? 1256 01:24:57,384 --> 01:24:58,926 -Sure. -Did everyone know? 1257 01:24:59,094 --> 01:25:00,428 -Pretty much. -We are proud... 1258 01:25:00,596 --> 01:25:03,181 ...because from the beginning of this nation... 1259 01:25:03,348 --> 01:25:05,391 ...man can walk upright. 1260 01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:10,438 No matter who he is or who she is. 1261 01:25:10,606 --> 01:25:15,151 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 1262 01:25:15,319 --> 01:25:19,322 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 1263 01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:22,366 ...may be a position in great power... 1264 01:25:22,534 --> 01:25:24,994 ...that he... 1265 01:25:25,162 --> 01:25:28,331 ...can be suddenly thrown in jail... 1266 01:25:28,749 --> 01:25:33,044 ...to rot there without charges and with no recourse to justice. 1267 01:25:34,588 --> 01:25:37,840 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 1268 01:25:38,383 --> 01:25:41,844 I began by saying that our history will be what we make it. 1269 01:25:42,304 --> 01:25:44,138 If we go on as we are. . . 1270 01:25:44,306 --> 01:25:45,890 . . . history will take its revenge. . . 1271 01:25:46,058 --> 01:25:49,685 . . .and retribution will not limp in catching up with us. 1272 01:25:50,854 --> 01:25:54,774 Just once in a while let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1273 01:25:56,235 --> 01:25:59,445 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night. . . 1274 01:25:59,613 --> 01:26:01,823 . . .a time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan. . . 1275 01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:05,576 . . . is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 1276 01:26:05,744 --> 01:26:07,411 And a week or two later. . . 1277 01:26:07,579 --> 01:26:09,539 . . .a time normally used by Steve Allen. . . 1278 01:26:09,706 --> 01:26:14,085 . . . is devoted to a thoroughgoing study of American policy in the Middle East. 1279 01:26:14,878 --> 01:26:18,381 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1280 01:26:18,549 --> 01:26:22,343 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1281 01:26:22,594 --> 01:26:25,346 Would anything happen other than a few million people. . . 1282 01:26:25,514 --> 01:26:28,057 . . .would have received some illumination on subjects. . . 1283 01:26:28,225 --> 01:26:30,768 . . .that may well determine the future of this country. . . 1284 01:26:30,936 --> 01:26:33,354 . . .and therefore the future of the corporations? 1285 01:26:34,273 --> 01:26:37,233 To those who say, "People won't look, they won't be interested. . . 1286 01:26:37,401 --> 01:26:40,444 . . .they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated". . . 1287 01:26:40,612 --> 01:26:42,613 . . . I can only reply. . . 1288 01:26:42,781 --> 01:26:45,032 . . .there is in one reporter's opinion. . . 1289 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,452 . . .considerable evidence against that contention. 1290 01:26:48,829 --> 01:26:51,831 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 1291 01:26:51,999 --> 01:26:53,791 Because if they are right. . . 1292 01:26:53,959 --> 01:26:58,963 . . .and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate. . . 1293 01:26:59,131 --> 01:27:00,882 . . .then the tube is flickering now. . . 1294 01:27:01,049 --> 01:27:04,594 . . .and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1295 01:27:05,095 --> 01:27:06,971 This instrument can teach. 1296 01:27:07,139 --> 01:27:10,308 It can illuminate, and, yes, it can even inspire. 1297 01:27:10,475 --> 01:27:12,435 But it can do so only to the extent. . . 1298 01:27:12,603 --> 01:27:15,980 . . .that humans are determined to use it towards those ends. 1299 01:27:17,316 --> 01:27:21,986 Otherwise it is merely wires and lights in a box. 1300 01:27:24,907 --> 01:27:26,407 Good night. . . 1301 01:27:26,575 --> 01:27:28,284 . . .and good luck.