1 00:00:22,815 --> 00:00:24,192 - Laurel. - Jerry! 2 00:00:25,735 --> 00:00:26,652 Jerry. 3 00:00:26,652 --> 00:00:28,029 - No, no. - Oh my God. 4 00:00:29,072 --> 00:00:31,282 You need to come back home right now. 5 00:00:31,282 --> 00:00:33,910 - What? What are you talking about? - No, right now. 6 00:00:33,910 --> 00:00:35,244 What the fuck? 7 00:00:41,042 --> 00:00:43,586 - How many square feet is the kitchen? - 380 square feet. 8 00:00:43,586 --> 00:00:44,754 Uh-huh. 9 00:00:45,922 --> 00:00:47,924 - Parking in the back? - Four spaces. 10 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,429 That's fucking great. I mean... 11 00:00:54,347 --> 00:00:57,642 - Heart of Westwood, close to UCLA. - It's perfect, dude. 12 00:00:58,309 --> 00:01:00,686 It's a fucking gold mine. 13 00:01:03,231 --> 00:01:04,065 Hello. 14 00:01:05,483 --> 00:01:07,443 Gus, what's happening, my man? 15 00:01:08,986 --> 00:01:10,488 How's the restaurant? 16 00:01:11,405 --> 00:01:12,448 Huh? 17 00:01:15,326 --> 00:01:16,160 What? 18 00:01:17,036 --> 00:01:18,121 Jerry! 19 00:01:19,247 --> 00:01:22,125 - What in the fuck is going on here? - Jerry! 20 00:01:23,584 --> 00:01:26,003 Dr. Oziel, as I explained to your wife, 21 00:01:26,003 --> 00:01:28,798 we've been granted a lawful court order to search your home. 22 00:01:28,798 --> 00:01:30,007 On what fucking grounds? 23 00:01:30,007 --> 00:01:33,553 Well, we have come to believe there are relevant tape recordings 24 00:01:33,553 --> 00:01:36,472 related to the murder of Jose and Kitty Menendez. 25 00:01:37,265 --> 00:01:38,391 Who told you that? 26 00:01:38,391 --> 00:01:40,184 He recorded their sessions. 27 00:01:40,726 --> 00:01:43,396 He got their confessions all on tape. 28 00:01:43,396 --> 00:01:46,107 We're talking hours and hours of them talking 29 00:01:46,107 --> 00:01:50,278 about how they planned it, why they did it, if they felt any remorse. 30 00:01:50,278 --> 00:01:52,071 Let's just say a credible source. 31 00:01:52,071 --> 00:01:53,865 - It was her, Jer. - Not now, Laurel. 32 00:01:53,865 --> 00:01:56,284 - You know it was that crazy bitch. - I said, not now. 33 00:01:56,284 --> 00:01:58,077 Would you like to go get dressed? 34 00:01:58,077 --> 00:02:00,037 For the record, I'd like to make it clear 35 00:02:00,037 --> 00:02:03,749 that I in no way violated the confidentiality of my patients, 36 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:06,878 nor was I aware this search was going to take place, 37 00:02:06,878 --> 00:02:10,882 as is evidenced by the state of undress of my wife, and the fact that I was-- 38 00:02:10,882 --> 00:02:12,592 We understand that, doctor. 39 00:02:13,092 --> 00:02:15,261 Now, where are the tapes? 40 00:02:19,974 --> 00:02:21,142 What... 41 00:02:21,726 --> 00:02:22,602 Whoa. 42 00:02:23,186 --> 00:02:24,896 - What is this? - Just fucking take it, okay. 43 00:02:24,896 --> 00:02:28,399 If the cops are gonna arrest me, then I'm gonna need you to bail me out, 44 00:02:28,399 --> 00:02:30,359 then call my attorney, Gerry Chaleff. 45 00:02:30,359 --> 00:02:33,446 - Lyle, you're being paranoid. - I'm not being fucking paranoid, Glenn. 46 00:02:33,446 --> 00:02:36,032 Those cops still think that Erik and I killed our parents. 47 00:02:36,032 --> 00:02:38,326 I don't know who the fuck else they've been talking to. 48 00:02:39,327 --> 00:02:41,370 They probably talked to my therapist, Oziel. 49 00:02:41,370 --> 00:02:44,081 Of course, he can't tell them shit 'cause of patient confidentiality. 50 00:02:44,081 --> 00:02:47,043 Fuck those cops. It's not your fault they can't find the killer. 51 00:02:47,043 --> 00:02:51,547 Hayden, if the police are able to somehow get around the confidentiality thing, 52 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:55,092 and then they get their hands on those fucking tapes, I am fucked! 53 00:02:55,092 --> 00:02:56,886 I am fucked! 54 00:02:56,886 --> 00:02:58,304 I'm fucked! 55 00:03:02,808 --> 00:03:07,772 Do you think your mother deserved to die? 56 00:03:07,772 --> 00:03:10,107 I don't think we ever thought about it like that. 57 00:03:10,107 --> 00:03:11,150 It was more like, 58 00:03:11,150 --> 00:03:17,073 "Well, if we're gonna kill our dad, we should probably just kill our mom too." 59 00:03:18,282 --> 00:03:22,036 Did one of you feel differently about killing your mom? 60 00:03:22,036 --> 00:03:23,663 No, absolutely not. 61 00:03:24,997 --> 00:03:28,084 There's no way that I was gonna make a decision to kill my mother 62 00:03:28,084 --> 00:03:29,961 without Erik's consent. 63 00:03:29,961 --> 00:03:32,546 I didn't even want to influence him on the issue. 64 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:35,216 I just let him sleep on it for a few nights. 65 00:03:36,801 --> 00:03:37,969 Okay. Erik? 66 00:03:38,594 --> 00:03:39,470 Yeah. 67 00:03:40,513 --> 00:03:41,555 We had to kill her. 68 00:04:23,014 --> 00:04:25,516 Okay, who's up for some lunch? Come on. Come on. 69 00:04:25,516 --> 00:04:27,893 - Yeah. - Let's go. Ready? I'm fucking starving. 70 00:04:28,394 --> 00:04:30,229 Sick ride, man. Did you get a good deal? 71 00:04:30,229 --> 00:04:31,397 - Hey, Glenn? - Yeah? 72 00:04:31,397 --> 00:04:32,481 Shut the fuck up. 73 00:04:32,481 --> 00:04:34,817 Dude, when are you getting your Porsche out of the shop? 74 00:04:34,817 --> 00:04:37,862 Tomorrow, but till then I've got to drive Erik's piece of shit Wrangler. 75 00:04:46,912 --> 00:04:49,206 Whoa! 76 00:04:49,206 --> 00:04:51,959 Douchebag, what the fuck are you doing? God... 77 00:04:55,129 --> 00:04:57,131 Go, go, go! Let's move! 78 00:04:58,049 --> 00:05:00,634 Hands up where I can see them or I'll blow your fucking head off. 79 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:02,845 - Get out! - Let me see your hands! 80 00:05:02,845 --> 00:05:05,473 Get out of the car. Get out of the car! Come over here. 81 00:05:05,473 --> 00:05:08,392 Get on your knees. On your knees. Down on your stomach. 82 00:05:08,392 --> 00:05:11,187 Put your hands behind your back. Don't move! 83 00:05:16,108 --> 00:05:19,320 Joseph Lyle Menendez, you have the right to remain silent. 84 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,990 Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have-- 85 00:05:28,746 --> 00:05:30,706 How can this be happening, Gerry? 86 00:05:30,706 --> 00:05:33,834 You said they couldn't arrest us. You said they couldn't touch us. 87 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:36,462 You said that the police didn't have a case. 88 00:05:36,462 --> 00:05:39,423 Well, it seems they do now, and apparently, the DA agrees. 89 00:05:42,176 --> 00:05:43,344 Fuck! 90 00:05:45,805 --> 00:05:48,432 Okay. Well then, what am I supposed to do, Gerry? Tell me. 91 00:05:48,432 --> 00:05:50,726 Listen, I'm going to call my buddy, 92 00:05:50,726 --> 00:05:53,312 Robert Shapiro, top criminal attorney. 93 00:05:53,312 --> 00:05:55,022 He can help us handle this. 94 00:05:55,731 --> 00:05:57,191 Okay? In the meantime, 95 00:05:57,191 --> 00:06:00,653 drop out of your tennis tournament and get the hell out of Israel. 96 00:06:00,653 --> 00:06:03,280 Last thing you want is to be arrested by Interpol, 97 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,074 thrown into some Middle Eastern jail 98 00:06:05,074 --> 00:06:08,202 where your constitutional protections don't apply. 99 00:06:16,293 --> 00:06:18,504 Come here. Let me take a look at you. 100 00:06:19,463 --> 00:06:21,966 Hey, there's that Menendez boy. 101 00:06:22,883 --> 00:06:24,885 Ooh, Menendez. 102 00:06:25,678 --> 00:06:27,304 Holy crap, baby girl. 103 00:06:28,514 --> 00:06:30,641 I heard you killed your parents. 104 00:06:31,475 --> 00:06:32,768 El bandito! 105 00:06:34,645 --> 00:06:37,523 Jesus Christ. I can't live in that. 106 00:06:38,357 --> 00:06:39,650 Well, you's about to. 107 00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:41,193 Now get in. 108 00:07:02,506 --> 00:07:04,133 Welcome to Los Angeles. 109 00:07:05,634 --> 00:07:07,887 Thank you for flying with us. Welcome. 110 00:07:12,224 --> 00:07:14,727 - It's okay. You don't have to handcuff me. - Sorry. 111 00:07:16,228 --> 00:07:17,062 It's regulation. 112 00:07:18,022 --> 00:07:19,857 You have the right to remain silent. 113 00:07:19,857 --> 00:07:23,068 Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. 114 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:24,487 You have the right to an attorney. 115 00:07:24,487 --> 00:07:27,281 If you cannot afford one, one will be provided for you. 116 00:08:28,634 --> 00:08:29,510 Erik? 117 00:08:31,470 --> 00:08:32,388 Erik? 118 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:34,265 Lyle? 119 00:08:35,224 --> 00:08:36,058 Hey! 120 00:08:36,058 --> 00:08:38,143 Lyle? Is that you? 121 00:08:38,644 --> 00:08:39,478 Yeah. 122 00:08:44,024 --> 00:08:45,859 When did you get back to LA? 123 00:08:47,111 --> 00:08:50,030 A... A couple of hours ago. The cops picked me up at LAX. 124 00:08:50,531 --> 00:08:53,325 I was so worried, E. I thought that maybe you might 125 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:59,248 try to flee and... I don't know, I thought that I might never see you again. 126 00:08:59,748 --> 00:09:01,709 Of course, I was coming back. 127 00:09:03,711 --> 00:09:04,795 You're my brother. 128 00:09:09,049 --> 00:09:10,467 What are we gonna do? 129 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:14,555 - Lyle, what are we gonna tell people? - Hey... 130 00:09:15,514 --> 00:09:17,099 It's just us now, E. 131 00:09:18,892 --> 00:09:20,060 We're on our own. 132 00:09:24,398 --> 00:09:27,651 So that's Pert Plus, and that's shampoo and conditioner. 133 00:09:27,651 --> 00:09:30,404 I sent you some hairspray. You said Aqua Net? 134 00:09:30,404 --> 00:09:34,575 No, I said, not Aqua Net because they... confiscate that shit in here. 135 00:09:34,575 --> 00:09:36,493 You can make it into a torch, evidently. 136 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:37,536 I need mousse anyway, 137 00:09:37,536 --> 00:09:39,830 so please just tell Jamie. Jamie knows what to get. 138 00:09:39,830 --> 00:09:42,583 - Insert 10 cents for five more minutes. - Fuck! 139 00:09:45,127 --> 00:09:47,671 Okay. Make it fast because these phones, Robert, 140 00:09:47,671 --> 00:09:49,965 it's impossible to get any dimes in here. 141 00:09:49,965 --> 00:09:53,052 Lyle, focus. We just have to tell them a more compelling story 142 00:09:53,052 --> 00:09:54,720 than the prosecution, okay? 143 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,890 "It was the Five Families." That's a very vague story. 144 00:09:57,890 --> 00:10:01,935 Okay, well, then, uh... focus on one of the families. 145 00:10:01,935 --> 00:10:05,856 Like, what's the one... The Bambinos, focus on them. 146 00:10:05,856 --> 00:10:08,817 - Insert 10 cents for five more minutes. - Fuck! 147 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:12,696 Robert, what I need is fucking dimes, so can you... can you get on that? 148 00:10:12,696 --> 00:10:13,614 Please. 149 00:10:14,490 --> 00:10:15,949 Yo. Can I borrow a dime? 150 00:10:16,575 --> 00:10:19,036 Yeah, if you suck my dick. 151 00:10:19,662 --> 00:10:20,996 Candy-ass. 152 00:10:28,921 --> 00:10:30,673 Erik, you gotta eat. 153 00:10:31,507 --> 00:10:32,383 I can't. 154 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:35,135 Can I have your milk? 155 00:10:37,721 --> 00:10:39,473 You can't just drink milk, though. 156 00:10:45,896 --> 00:10:48,565 That dude over there won't stop staring at me. 157 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:49,608 Don't look. 158 00:10:49,608 --> 00:10:51,485 I'm gonna get killed in here. 159 00:10:52,111 --> 00:10:53,070 I gotta go. 160 00:10:57,741 --> 00:10:59,743 ♪ I've no excuse ♪ 161 00:10:59,743 --> 00:11:02,037 Come on, man! What the fuck? Fuck! 162 00:11:02,996 --> 00:11:06,083 I feel like if we can get through this, we can get through anything. 163 00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:08,877 Yeah. So listen, hey, the mousse, right? 164 00:11:08,877 --> 00:11:10,295 And then the wig tape. 165 00:11:10,295 --> 00:11:12,589 And seriously, fucking dimes. 166 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:15,050 Grandma sent like five dimes. We need rolls and rolls of them. 167 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:16,635 Hey, Erik, you wanna talk to Jamie? 168 00:11:17,553 --> 00:11:18,929 ♪ Dirty cash, I want you ♪ 169 00:11:18,929 --> 00:11:21,682 I need wig tape, okay? It's called Topstick. 170 00:11:21,682 --> 00:11:23,726 The wig, it attaches to hooks. 171 00:11:23,726 --> 00:11:26,603 But it's the tape that keeps the edges down. 172 00:11:27,396 --> 00:11:29,273 That's how it stays on in the front. 173 00:11:29,273 --> 00:11:30,607 ♪ Money talks ♪ 174 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:34,695 ♪ Dirty cash, I want you Dirty cash I need you, oh ♪ 175 00:11:34,695 --> 00:11:35,946 E... 176 00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:40,075 - Why is there milk in the toilet? - That's where I keep it cold. 177 00:11:41,243 --> 00:11:42,286 Hey. 178 00:11:43,495 --> 00:11:45,664 You can't just drink milk, okay? 179 00:11:45,664 --> 00:11:49,042 The food makes me wanna puke, Lyle. What am I supposed to do? 180 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:51,754 - Moist towelettes? - Yeah. 181 00:11:51,754 --> 00:11:55,841 As many of those as you can get because, uh, he's starting to stink. 182 00:11:55,841 --> 00:11:58,427 Wait. He's gonna, like, clean his body with them? 183 00:11:58,427 --> 00:11:59,595 I mean, hopefully? 184 00:12:00,137 --> 00:12:02,181 I think he's scared of the showers. 185 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,811 ♪ I wasn't right, now that's all behind ♪ 186 00:12:08,729 --> 00:12:11,106 ♪ I want to get rich quick ♪ 187 00:12:11,106 --> 00:12:13,150 It just gets so fucking gummy with the tape. 188 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:15,402 Can't clean it right in here. 189 00:12:16,236 --> 00:12:17,905 Lyle, is that my toothbrush? 190 00:12:18,906 --> 00:12:19,782 Menendez. 191 00:12:19,782 --> 00:12:22,743 ♪ Money talks, umm-hmm Money talks ♪ 192 00:12:22,743 --> 00:12:24,036 ♪ Dirty cash I want... ♪ 193 00:12:24,036 --> 00:12:28,123 Here's 50 dollars. This will get you all the dimes you need. 194 00:12:28,123 --> 00:12:29,041 Fuck! 195 00:12:29,583 --> 00:12:33,462 Grandma, you fucking moron! I don't need money. I need dimes! 196 00:12:33,462 --> 00:12:37,007 Dimes, dimes, dimes! Motherfucking dimes! 197 00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:40,719 We're fucking millionaires, and we can't get a roll of fucking dimes. 198 00:12:40,719 --> 00:12:42,805 ♪ Dirty cash I need you, oh ♪ 199 00:12:44,056 --> 00:12:47,893 Uncle Carlos, we had absolutely nothing to do with the murders. 200 00:12:47,893 --> 00:12:52,439 Listen to me. I'm not giving you 100 fucking dollars for nine dimes. 201 00:13:03,367 --> 00:13:08,455 Now this mousse is 9.99, and I will give it to you for two dimes. Two! 202 00:13:10,332 --> 00:13:12,626 ♪ I'm dirty cash The one that you asked for ♪ 203 00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:14,419 ♪ I'm wanted by the rich and the poor ♪ 204 00:13:14,419 --> 00:13:16,255 ♪ More and more You just can't reject it ♪ 205 00:13:16,255 --> 00:13:18,423 ♪ You're the junkie and I inject it ♪ 206 00:13:18,423 --> 00:13:20,759 ♪ nto your blood stream It's like a bad dream ♪ 207 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:21,844 Fuck! 208 00:13:22,594 --> 00:13:25,347 Showers here used to scare me, but they don't anymore. 209 00:13:25,347 --> 00:13:28,517 I wait 20 minutes so everybody else is done, then I go in. 210 00:13:28,517 --> 00:13:30,227 Get the showers all to myself. 211 00:13:30,727 --> 00:13:31,687 See you around. 212 00:13:31,687 --> 00:13:34,982 ♪ People are lying, woman or man anyone Who'll give them a hand, cash money ♪ 213 00:13:34,982 --> 00:13:36,191 Hey. 214 00:13:36,191 --> 00:13:37,484 Yeah, I'm not great. 215 00:13:38,735 --> 00:13:39,987 Hey, Uncle Carlos. 216 00:13:42,948 --> 00:13:46,785 We need fucking rolls and rolls. 217 00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:49,079 ♪ Money talks, money talks ♪ 218 00:13:49,079 --> 00:13:51,915 You've gotta find a way to sneak it in here 'cause these guys hate wigs. 219 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:54,626 ♪ Dirty cash, I want you Dirty cash, I need you, oh ♪ 220 00:15:34,893 --> 00:15:37,396 - See you around. - Yeah, see ya. 221 00:15:45,988 --> 00:15:49,074 With two pieces a day, I can kinda make it look okay, 222 00:15:49,074 --> 00:15:51,118 but I really need more like four. 223 00:15:51,118 --> 00:15:53,036 Uh, the brand is called Topstick. 224 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:56,832 Uh, and then I also need something... This one's really important. 225 00:15:56,832 --> 00:15:58,166 Bain de Soleil. 226 00:15:58,750 --> 00:16:01,128 Bain de Soleil. As much of that as you can get. 227 00:16:01,712 --> 00:16:03,714 Bain de Soleil. What is that? 228 00:16:03,714 --> 00:16:05,257 - It's self-tanner. - Mmm. 229 00:16:08,093 --> 00:16:08,927 Look at him. 230 00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:11,972 He looks like a fucking ghost. We both do. 231 00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:15,225 It's the lights in here. They leech the vitamin D out of your bones. 232 00:16:15,225 --> 00:16:18,061 Hey, where are we with Castro? Is there any movement on that? 233 00:16:18,061 --> 00:16:22,065 Because everything with my father, it all fucking comes back to Cuba. 234 00:16:22,065 --> 00:16:24,693 You... you were just saying this the other day, were you not? 235 00:16:24,693 --> 00:16:26,570 - Yeah, I just think that-- - Guys... 236 00:16:26,570 --> 00:16:28,196 We got to get real here. 237 00:16:28,196 --> 00:16:31,450 I... I don't think you get what's going on here. 238 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:36,038 We have to talk about your case, not about self-tanner and toupees. 239 00:16:36,038 --> 00:16:39,291 This makes me think you don't understand what's going on here, Mr. Shapiro, 240 00:16:39,291 --> 00:16:40,792 because this is 1990. 241 00:16:40,792 --> 00:16:43,462 It's a new era, and this case is gonna be on television, 242 00:16:43,462 --> 00:16:45,922 which means, the number one thing that I'm concerned about 243 00:16:45,922 --> 00:16:47,340 is how we look on camera. 244 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,593 Because if we look the right way, right? 245 00:16:49,593 --> 00:16:52,679 Smart, clean-cut, whole lives ahead of us, 246 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:57,017 then there isn't a fucking jury on this planet that's gonna believe we did this. 247 00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,061 - Because we didn't. - Because we didn't. 248 00:16:59,061 --> 00:17:00,062 Um. Okay. 249 00:17:00,062 --> 00:17:03,398 Well, let me tell you the number one thing I'm concerned about. 250 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:12,532 Is that... Is that a sauna? 251 00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:14,451 No, Erik. 252 00:17:15,452 --> 00:17:16,912 It's a gas chamber. 253 00:17:17,788 --> 00:17:19,873 It's built for two, which is convenient. 254 00:17:22,209 --> 00:17:25,003 I... I hate to break it to you two, 255 00:17:25,003 --> 00:17:26,963 but you're not sympathetic people. 256 00:17:27,506 --> 00:17:28,715 You're rich and spoiled, 257 00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,676 and that's the type of person folks love to hate. 258 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:35,722 I mean, your arraignment was a... a disaster. 259 00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:41,978 I mean, you looked like psychopaths. 260 00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:46,691 I told you to smile. 261 00:17:47,442 --> 00:17:48,401 Be respectful. 262 00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:53,657 - Yes, Your Honor. No, Your Honor. But no. - The lights were bugging out my eyes. 263 00:17:53,657 --> 00:17:56,451 - The judge's voice was ridiculous-- - I'd barely slept for days. 264 00:17:56,451 --> 00:17:57,369 Guys! 265 00:17:57,994 --> 00:17:59,496 We gotta get serious, okay? 266 00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:01,790 Because this image thing that you're trying to portray, 267 00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,792 that train has left the station. 268 00:18:05,043 --> 00:18:08,296 Folks have a very strong opinion of you two. 269 00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:11,216 We did not kill our parents. 270 00:18:11,216 --> 00:18:14,094 Yes, yes, but John Q. Public thinks you did. 271 00:18:15,137 --> 00:18:18,014 So if you want to avoid this. This! 272 00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:20,058 Then I suggest we try a different strategy 273 00:18:20,058 --> 00:18:23,311 other than fake tanner and blaming Fidel Castro. 274 00:18:35,157 --> 00:18:36,658 I mean, we could always... 275 00:18:43,415 --> 00:18:44,416 No, I just... 276 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,170 We haven't talked to you about what really happened. 277 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,464 - What the fuck are you talking about? - I'm not talking about that night. 278 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:56,052 We don't... we don't know what happened that night. We were at the movies. 279 00:18:57,137 --> 00:19:01,099 I'm just talking about the stuff that went on before that. 280 00:19:10,025 --> 00:19:12,777 I'm sorry, would you please give my brother and I 281 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:15,822 just a brief moment with one another? 282 00:19:17,073 --> 00:19:17,991 Alone? 283 00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:21,745 Thank you. 284 00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:31,796 We aren't gonna talk about that. 285 00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:35,425 I just think it could kind of help the jury understand. 286 00:19:35,425 --> 00:19:38,595 It's... it's like you said, it does have to do with Mom and Dad. 287 00:19:38,595 --> 00:19:40,889 That stuff just happens sometimes, Erik. 288 00:19:41,973 --> 00:19:43,225 It's just being boys. 289 00:19:47,312 --> 00:19:48,855 We're not gonna talk about it. 290 00:19:53,151 --> 00:19:56,655 So, I'm fired. That's... that's what you're saying? 291 00:19:56,655 --> 00:20:00,033 That is exactly what we're saying. You're not even defending them. 292 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:02,994 Because they are impossible to defend. 293 00:20:03,912 --> 00:20:05,789 And you fire me. Fine! 294 00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:08,291 Here's some free advice. 295 00:20:08,291 --> 00:20:12,796 The reason they were arrested is because there are audio tapes. 296 00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:17,759 And the police, now maybe they shouldn't have, but they have listened to them. 297 00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:20,470 So you need to open your eyes to the fact 298 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:24,182 that Lyle and Erik's story is full of holes, and they might be guilty. 299 00:20:24,182 --> 00:20:25,809 No, no, no, no! 300 00:20:25,809 --> 00:20:28,436 Not this. Then why did we get a lawyer? 301 00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:31,022 - Shut your mouth! - Look. look, look! 302 00:20:31,022 --> 00:20:32,232 - Shh. - Come on. 303 00:20:32,232 --> 00:20:35,235 Look, I'm the guy you hired to cut a deal. Okay? 304 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:37,279 That's... that's what I thought I was here to do. 305 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:40,615 So if you want to try to get them off, I'm not your guy. 306 00:20:40,615 --> 00:20:43,868 Because I don't believe them, and the jury won't believe them. 307 00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:48,373 So you need to find somebody else. And... you need to find a much better story. 308 00:20:48,373 --> 00:20:52,043 Or those boys of yours, you're so convinced are innocent, 309 00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:56,756 the State of California is going to put them to death. 310 00:20:59,134 --> 00:21:00,343 Best of luck to you. 311 00:21:09,019 --> 00:21:11,438 That shit was almost a misdemeanor. 312 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:15,692 Five years ago, it would have been. 313 00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:20,322 But the new law, five rocks, that's a felony. 314 00:21:20,905 --> 00:21:25,535 Then 'cause I got a gun on me, suddenly it's aggravated. 315 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:30,290 And I'm in here with, you know, murderers. 316 00:21:33,251 --> 00:21:35,211 And here's you and me in here with 'em. 317 00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:40,383 Yeah, it's... innocent people. 318 00:21:41,885 --> 00:21:43,887 Guess that's just the way the system is. 319 00:21:44,387 --> 00:21:45,472 I'm confused... 320 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:47,974 ...about you. 321 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:51,728 - What do you mean? - Well, what you like? 322 00:21:52,562 --> 00:21:53,897 You like dudes, right? 323 00:21:54,606 --> 00:21:55,565 You gay, right? 324 00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:58,109 What? No. 325 00:21:59,736 --> 00:22:00,612 No. 326 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:04,407 - I don't even like that word. - Okay. Yeah, fine, me neither. 327 00:22:04,407 --> 00:22:08,244 You ain't gay. But I'm saying, you like being with dudes, right? 328 00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:14,542 I don't know 'cause, um... 329 00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:18,004 What I went through at home. 330 00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:20,048 But, uh... 331 00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:23,510 I like being around you. 332 00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:26,638 Yeah, okay. 333 00:22:30,183 --> 00:22:32,560 I know who I am. I don't give a fuck. 334 00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:35,772 And neither should you is all I'm saying. 335 00:22:37,524 --> 00:22:39,067 It's okay to be who you are. 336 00:22:40,652 --> 00:22:42,862 Yeah. Not in my family. 337 00:22:43,488 --> 00:22:45,865 What did I do? I don't have anything. 338 00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:56,167 What's this? 339 00:22:56,835 --> 00:22:58,962 What? I... I don't know. 340 00:23:06,803 --> 00:23:08,930 Erik, read this once, then throw it away. 341 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:10,640 These are things I've been thinking about. 342 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,977 I think Mark should drive the Porsche into the prison loading dock. 343 00:23:13,977 --> 00:23:15,687 ♪ I've got the power ♪ 344 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,358 Then hop out, but leave the engine running. 345 00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:23,611 ♪ I've got the power ♪ 346 00:23:23,611 --> 00:23:26,197 We'll jump into the car and head to the 110. 347 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:33,663 See drawing below. 348 00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:35,999 Next, our appearances. 349 00:23:35,999 --> 00:23:37,417 ♪ I've got the power ♪ 350 00:23:38,543 --> 00:23:40,336 I think we should get plastic surgery. 351 00:23:40,336 --> 00:23:44,966 We need facelifts, chin implants maybe, and of course we change our hair. 352 00:23:49,888 --> 00:23:51,055 We'll need passports, 353 00:23:52,682 --> 00:23:53,641 visas... 354 00:23:54,726 --> 00:23:56,352 Then we figure out where we're going. 355 00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:01,399 I think we head to Mark H's granddad's camp in Canada, 356 00:24:02,025 --> 00:24:03,651 just until the heat's off. 357 00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:08,531 I think Toronto, London, Belgium, Lebanon, 358 00:24:08,531 --> 00:24:10,700 and then we settle in Colombia. 359 00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:13,453 They like chicken wings there. 360 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:17,165 - What? - Get up. Gotta search your cell. 361 00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:18,958 What's this? 362 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,710 I... I don't know. 363 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:22,962 Lyle Menendez, please step out to the red line. 364 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:24,005 What's going on? 365 00:24:24,005 --> 00:24:26,633 - Step out to the red line! - You need to tell me why. 366 00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:27,592 What's going on? 367 00:24:27,592 --> 00:24:29,677 - Step to the red line. - Tell me why. 368 00:24:29,677 --> 00:24:31,971 - Hey, what the fuck?! - Hey! Lyle! 369 00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:34,057 - Where are you taking me? - Lyle! 370 00:24:34,057 --> 00:24:36,559 - Where are you taking him? - What is going on? 371 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,520 They moved your brother to a different cell block. 372 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,813 I don't understand. Why? 373 00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:45,068 Lyle says that he wrote you some kind of a letter. 374 00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:47,195 We pass each other letters all the time. 375 00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:50,949 Right, but this letter, this one was an escape plan. 376 00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:53,826 Erik. 377 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:55,828 Not good. 378 00:24:56,454 --> 00:24:59,457 - When is he coming back? - They moved him there for good. 379 00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:01,501 Is there anybody in there? 380 00:25:02,627 --> 00:25:05,129 Maybe someone on your cell block that you... 381 00:25:06,381 --> 00:25:07,799 that you think you could trust. 382 00:25:13,304 --> 00:25:14,264 Yeah. 383 00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:54,137 So, why exactly are you looking to adopt? 384 00:25:54,137 --> 00:25:58,057 We've been talking about it for a while. Starting our own family, I mean. 385 00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,893 My wife has a grown daughter from a previous marriage, 386 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,771 and we didn't end up getting married until we were both in-- 387 00:26:03,771 --> 00:26:07,817 Tim, this woman doesn't need our entire life story. 388 00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:10,153 On second thought, maybe she does. 389 00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:13,948 I guess that's how you guys determine who's fit to be good parents, right? 390 00:26:13,948 --> 00:26:17,118 If I'm being honest, I think all couples should have to prove 391 00:26:17,118 --> 00:26:19,037 they're fit to be good parents. 392 00:26:19,037 --> 00:26:22,248 It is way too easy to have a kid. 393 00:26:22,832 --> 00:26:25,126 Some couples, they have a baby, 394 00:26:25,126 --> 00:26:27,837 neglect them, abuse them, treat them like scum, 395 00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:30,798 and then 20 years later, I end up having to defend them. 396 00:26:31,382 --> 00:26:34,427 By the looks of your profile, Miss Abramson, 397 00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:36,763 you're a very successful attorney. 398 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:40,975 And as your husband mentioned, you already have a grown daughter. 399 00:26:40,975 --> 00:26:44,145 So I certainly don't need to tell you how hard it is being a mother. 400 00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:48,941 Is there a reason why, at this point in your life, 401 00:26:49,484 --> 00:26:51,277 you're ready to do that all over again? 402 00:26:52,487 --> 00:26:54,947 Okay, here's an embarrassing confession. 403 00:26:57,492 --> 00:26:59,410 I don't actually remember being a mother. 404 00:26:59,410 --> 00:27:03,873 I mean, yes, of course, I remember it. But it's all pretty hazy. 405 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,876 I had Laine right before I started law school. 406 00:27:06,876 --> 00:27:08,336 I had just gotten divorced. 407 00:27:08,336 --> 00:27:12,215 And it was all I could manage just to keep my head above water. 408 00:27:12,215 --> 00:27:15,218 Not that I was a bad mother. I was not a bad mother. 409 00:27:15,218 --> 00:27:16,719 Imperfect? Yes. 410 00:27:17,595 --> 00:27:20,348 Workaholic? Guilty as charged. 411 00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:27,647 But I feel that I'm at a point in my life now 412 00:27:29,065 --> 00:27:33,361 where I could actually enjoy being a mother. 413 00:27:34,696 --> 00:27:37,198 Where it wouldn't all feel like such a struggle. 414 00:27:38,199 --> 00:27:40,868 And, because of my line of work, 415 00:27:41,869 --> 00:27:45,915 I see what happens when kids don't get the nurturing they need. 416 00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:51,504 So if I can raise a child and give them the love they need 417 00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:56,008 so that they never have to come across a criminal defense attorney like me, 418 00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,260 then sign me up. 419 00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:02,974 Even if it means having to... change diapers for a couple of years. 420 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,729 Dominick, you are exaggerating. 421 00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:11,899 Sharon, you should know me well enough by now to know 422 00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:14,110 that I never exaggerate. 423 00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:16,738 Okay. But evil? 424 00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:19,323 You truly believe those Menendez boys are evil? 425 00:28:19,323 --> 00:28:20,241 Yes. 426 00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:24,036 When you've stared evil in the face, as I have, 427 00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:25,747 it's something you never forget. 428 00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:27,248 So you think they did it? 429 00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:29,167 Of course they did it. 430 00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:32,670 They're classic sociopaths. 431 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:35,173 Especially the older brother. 432 00:28:35,715 --> 00:28:38,801 His eyes are even more vacant than Claus von Bülow's. 433 00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:43,514 How can a child even think of doing something like that to a parent? 434 00:28:44,098 --> 00:28:46,184 Nothing much shocks me anymore, Joyce. 435 00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:49,061 What people are capable of. 436 00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:53,691 The only thing that shocks me, disgusts me, 437 00:28:53,691 --> 00:28:55,943 is that we have a justice system 438 00:28:55,943 --> 00:28:58,988 that puts the rights of killers and rapists 439 00:28:58,988 --> 00:29:00,823 over and above their victims. 440 00:29:00,823 --> 00:29:04,869 The justice system is blatantly biased against defendants, 441 00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:07,830 especially if those defendants are Black and brown 442 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:09,624 and lack access to adequate counsel. 443 00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:11,959 Fair enough, but in several of your biggest cases, 444 00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:15,004 doubt as to your client's guilt isn't in dispute. 445 00:29:15,004 --> 00:29:18,341 So you're saying only innocent people deserve a proper defense? 446 00:29:18,341 --> 00:29:23,054 No, I'm asking if everyone is entitled to a Leslie Abramson defense, 447 00:29:23,054 --> 00:29:26,265 especially if they're being accused of capital murder. 448 00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:29,894 Capital punishment is an absolute moral travesty. 449 00:29:29,894 --> 00:29:32,855 Not only is it immoral, it is also barbaric. 450 00:29:33,356 --> 00:29:35,525 It is unfathomable. 451 00:29:35,525 --> 00:29:39,278 - Well, if it isn't the dragon lady. - Who? 452 00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:41,239 Leslie Abramson. 453 00:29:41,864 --> 00:29:45,910 Defense attorney to society's most reprehensible. 454 00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:50,122 When you're trying a murder case, you can't just take it at face value. 455 00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,710 You have to determine the state of mind the person was in 456 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:56,587 when they committed the crime. 457 00:29:56,587 --> 00:29:58,548 That woman there, 458 00:29:58,548 --> 00:30:03,469 she's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the legal system. 459 00:30:03,469 --> 00:30:06,973 Were they mentally competent when they committed the crime? 460 00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:09,141 Were they cognitively impaired? 461 00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:12,895 Did they have reason to believe, rightly or wrongly, 462 00:30:12,895 --> 00:30:14,814 that their lives were in danger? 463 00:30:14,814 --> 00:30:18,234 Do you know she tried to help make a plea deal 464 00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:21,904 for the man who murdered my daughter? 465 00:30:22,488 --> 00:30:25,825 She has a pathological affection for guilty clients, 466 00:30:26,868 --> 00:30:29,704 in particular, guilty young men. 467 00:30:29,704 --> 00:30:34,917 And if there's one thing the prosecution doesn't like, it's nuance. 468 00:30:34,917 --> 00:30:38,337 To them, every defendant is a nail 469 00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:41,632 that deserves to be hammered by the system. 470 00:30:42,592 --> 00:30:46,429 It's easy to talk about justice when you don't know all the facts. 471 00:30:46,429 --> 00:30:50,057 So I guess you could say "outrage" is your middle name. 472 00:30:52,643 --> 00:30:55,479 Actually, believe it or not, 473 00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:57,607 it's Hope. 474 00:31:09,327 --> 00:31:10,328 Dominick. 475 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,873 Oh. Hello, Leslie. 476 00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:16,000 Odd seeing you here. 477 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,878 It's true, it's not my usual scene. 478 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:21,839 The ladies who lunch crowd, that's much more your thing. 479 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,637 I read your client Rick Sanders' appeal motion got denied again. 480 00:31:27,637 --> 00:31:31,182 Looks like he's not getting off death row anytime soon. 481 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:37,855 I'm sure Dominick has been entertaining you ladies. 482 00:31:37,855 --> 00:31:40,399 You know, apart from being a failed movie producer, 483 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,401 he's quite the raconteur. 484 00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:47,073 Just don't believe everything he says. He's prone to exaggeration. 485 00:31:48,866 --> 00:31:52,119 Well, don't let us keep you, Leslie. 486 00:31:52,662 --> 00:31:55,873 I'm sure somewhere there's a murderer in need of your assistance. 487 00:32:01,879 --> 00:32:03,422 This is Leslie. 488 00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:04,840 Hey, Gerry. 489 00:32:05,383 --> 00:32:07,885 Yeah, I just finished giving an interview. 490 00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:11,347 Yes. To a reporter. 491 00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:14,809 Oh, I don't hate all the press. 492 00:32:14,809 --> 00:32:17,603 Come on, just the numbskulls. 493 00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:20,982 Need I remind you, I'm married to a reporter. 494 00:32:21,565 --> 00:32:22,608 Now, what's up? 495 00:32:23,901 --> 00:32:25,861 Of course I've heard of the case. Who hasn't? 496 00:32:25,861 --> 00:32:27,697 - They inquired about you. - Wait, what? 497 00:32:27,697 --> 00:32:30,282 They called and checked your availability. 498 00:32:31,492 --> 00:32:33,119 Are you fucking kidding me? 499 00:32:33,703 --> 00:32:36,455 Miss Abramson, thank... thank you for making the time 500 00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:38,165 to come and... and meet all of us. 501 00:32:38,165 --> 00:32:42,044 Gerry Chaleff says you're the best female criminal defense attorney in all of LA. 502 00:32:42,044 --> 00:32:43,838 I'm sure he didn't say that. 503 00:32:43,838 --> 00:32:47,258 Gerry wouldn't have said, "The best female criminal defense attorney." 504 00:32:47,258 --> 00:32:50,094 He simply would have said I'm the best. 505 00:32:50,094 --> 00:32:53,848 Well, as you know, we just fired Robert Shapiro. 506 00:32:53,848 --> 00:32:57,685 We didn't feel that he was good enough for... for our boys. 507 00:32:57,685 --> 00:32:58,602 I know Bob. 508 00:32:58,602 --> 00:33:02,189 He's a fine lawyer, but he's not who you want for a case like this. 509 00:33:02,189 --> 00:33:05,818 For him, it's all about spinning the media narrative 510 00:33:05,818 --> 00:33:08,654 and hopefully cutting the best deal for his clients. 511 00:33:08,654 --> 00:33:10,406 I don't like cutting deals. 512 00:33:11,365 --> 00:33:12,950 I prefer to fight. 513 00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:16,620 Because if you don't fight, you don't win. 514 00:33:17,955 --> 00:33:20,499 So you've worked on cases like this before? 515 00:33:21,125 --> 00:33:24,462 Cases where the defendants are accused of killing 516 00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:26,839 and you still manage to win? 517 00:33:27,423 --> 00:33:31,719 I recently defended a young man by the name of Arnel Salvatierra, 518 00:33:31,719 --> 00:33:33,512 who admitted to killing his father. 519 00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:35,681 He was up for first-degree murder. 520 00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:39,018 Arnel and his siblings suffered years 521 00:33:39,018 --> 00:33:43,647 of physical and psychological abuse at the hands of their father. 522 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,524 He tortured them. 523 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,363 Now, the prosecution wanted you to believe that Arnel was a monster. 524 00:33:52,198 --> 00:33:55,409 That he carefully planned his father's murder for weeks 525 00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:58,037 and then shot him in his sleep in cold blood. 526 00:33:58,037 --> 00:34:01,040 Well, that is not what I believe happened. 527 00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:06,378 I believe Arnel shot his father out of self-defense. 528 00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:09,423 Should Arnel have waited until his father, 529 00:34:09,423 --> 00:34:12,968 in one of his rages, finally ended up murdering him? 530 00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:15,513 Or his mother? 531 00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:18,557 Or one of his siblings? 532 00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:21,435 Like what happened to little Lisa Steinberg 533 00:34:21,435 --> 00:34:25,022 when her abusive father finally ended up murdering her? 534 00:34:25,022 --> 00:34:27,108 I wanted the jury to see 535 00:34:27,983 --> 00:34:30,111 that Arnel was not the monster. 536 00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:34,365 On the contrary, he was the victim. 537 00:34:35,324 --> 00:34:39,078 If you convict Arnel of first-degree murder, 538 00:34:39,078 --> 00:34:45,543 it will be as if his father's hand will rise up from the grave 539 00:34:45,543 --> 00:34:51,048 and his final act of terrorism will be with you as his accomplices. 540 00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:54,635 Arnel was acquitted of first-degree murder. 541 00:34:56,762 --> 00:34:59,223 He was sentenced to three years probation. 542 00:34:59,723 --> 00:35:02,226 And you could do that for Lyle and Erik? 543 00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:04,520 To be clear, I'd only be defending Erik. 544 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,189 Lyle still needs to retain his own separate counsel, 545 00:35:07,189 --> 00:35:09,859 but based on the documents I've read so far, 546 00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:13,696 these boys do not deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison, 547 00:35:13,696 --> 00:35:16,198 let alone face the death penalty. 548 00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:20,494 Now, I can't guarantee you an outcome, 549 00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:22,746 but I promise you, 550 00:35:23,664 --> 00:35:26,500 I will put up one hell of a fight. 551 00:35:35,134 --> 00:35:36,385 When can you start? 552 00:35:37,261 --> 00:35:39,972 Perhaps we should discuss my fee first. 553 00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:50,733 I imagine these last few weeks have been hard for you. 554 00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:54,361 All alone in jail, separated from your brother. 555 00:35:55,112 --> 00:35:59,533 Yes, it's... it's been... a lot. 556 00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:11,378 I'm sure you've heard what they've been saying about you and Lyle. 557 00:36:11,962 --> 00:36:14,131 That you're a couple of spoiled rich kids 558 00:36:14,131 --> 00:36:17,051 who murdered your parents for financial gain. 559 00:36:18,302 --> 00:36:19,428 And it's true. 560 00:36:20,262 --> 00:36:24,642 You boys sure did partake in quite a bit of conspicuous consumption 561 00:36:24,642 --> 00:36:25,976 after the murders. 562 00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,939 The cars, the designer clothes, 563 00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:32,816 the Rolexes, the luxury condos, 564 00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:36,320 a little excessive for retail therapy, wouldn't you say? 565 00:36:37,363 --> 00:36:38,948 The spending spree, 566 00:36:38,948 --> 00:36:41,450 that was you and your brother's first mistake. 567 00:36:42,034 --> 00:36:46,830 Then, you had the poor judgment of trusting that scumbag, Dr. Oziel, 568 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:48,582 and confessed to him. 569 00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:52,795 Then, you let him record your sessions. 570 00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:57,508 - Then, you threatened to kill him. - We were never gonna kill Dr. Oziel. 571 00:36:57,508 --> 00:37:01,220 Which is why it's now possible for those tapes to be entered into evidence 572 00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:03,013 and used against you at trial. 573 00:37:03,013 --> 00:37:05,891 We didn't know. We thought that they were gonna stay confidential. 574 00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:10,854 Then, you and Lyle start telling people different versions of what happened. 575 00:37:10,854 --> 00:37:15,651 What? Were you boys that confident you were never gonna be arrested? 576 00:37:16,485 --> 00:37:20,906 Then, when you boys finally are arrested and you show up in court, 577 00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:26,412 you look absolutely soulless and devoid of remorse. 578 00:37:26,412 --> 00:37:28,038 Another big mistake. 579 00:37:32,793 --> 00:37:35,045 Although, I guess your biggest mistake 580 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,590 was killing your parents in the first place. 581 00:37:39,550 --> 00:37:42,303 We... We... We didn't-- 582 00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:44,722 I read the letter Lyle wrote you. 583 00:37:44,722 --> 00:37:47,599 That crazy, insane escape plan. 584 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:49,226 But... 585 00:37:50,853 --> 00:37:54,815 there was something else he wrote in there that caught my attention. 586 00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:04,074 "We alone know the truth." 587 00:38:05,576 --> 00:38:11,332 "We alone know the secrets of our family's past." 588 00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,177 What does he mean by that? 589 00:38:36,231 --> 00:38:38,067 I've hired Dr. William Vicary. 590 00:38:38,067 --> 00:38:39,902 He's a forensic psychiatrist. 591 00:38:39,902 --> 00:38:43,280 I want you to start meeting with him to talk about what happened and why. 592 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,865 - No, no, no. No more shrinks. - Erik-- 593 00:38:44,865 --> 00:38:45,866 I can't. 594 00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:49,620 You said it yourself. It was a mistake talking to Dr. Oziel. I will not. 595 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:52,998 Well, that's because he's a prick who violated professional ethics 596 00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:54,666 and manipulated your trust. 597 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:58,128 I assure you, Dr. Vicary is nothing like him. 598 00:39:02,925 --> 00:39:03,842 Erik... 599 00:39:05,803 --> 00:39:07,554 Now that I am your lawyer, 600 00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:10,849 I am not gonna let you make any more mistakes. 601 00:39:13,435 --> 00:39:17,731 But I need you to be totally honest with me 602 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,109 and to trust me. 603 00:39:22,236 --> 00:39:24,863 It's the only way we are gonna win. 604 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,909 I just can't stand the food. 605 00:39:28,909 --> 00:39:31,703 I've spent most of my life building my body up. 606 00:39:32,830 --> 00:39:38,168 Trying to eat right, low-fat, carbo-loading, and now this stuff. 607 00:39:38,168 --> 00:39:41,338 Erik, you're just wasting your money here. Okay? 608 00:39:42,339 --> 00:39:44,883 My job is to help you get to the bottom of all this. 609 00:39:45,509 --> 00:39:47,010 But trust me when I say 610 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:51,348 I cannot do that unless you start being honest with me. 611 00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:53,600 Like, really honest. 612 00:39:58,272 --> 00:39:59,148 Yeah. 613 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:02,609 It's just... 614 00:40:07,698 --> 00:40:08,532 It's hard. 615 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,076 Try. 616 00:40:14,872 --> 00:40:15,747 Okay. 617 00:40:25,966 --> 00:40:26,967 Well... 618 00:40:33,682 --> 00:40:35,517 We... did do it. 619 00:40:37,394 --> 00:40:39,271 Lyle and I. We did. 620 00:40:43,025 --> 00:40:44,568 But... 621 00:40:50,157 --> 00:40:51,241 There was... 622 00:40:57,331 --> 00:40:59,458 There was... a reason. 623 00:41:11,678 --> 00:41:14,848 Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. 624 00:41:16,725 --> 00:41:19,978 Those are notes from my last two sessions with Erik. 625 00:41:32,407 --> 00:41:33,825 You gotta be kidding me. 626 00:41:39,915 --> 00:41:41,625 I talked to Dr. Vicary. 627 00:41:42,125 --> 00:41:43,210 I hope that's okay. 628 00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:06,316 I want to thank you for telling the truth. 629 00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:13,407 And I'm just gonna say that truth out loud now. 630 00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:23,417 You were sexually molested by your brother Lyle. 631 00:42:32,301 --> 00:42:34,052 And this started when? 632 00:42:35,971 --> 00:42:37,264 I... I was little. 633 00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:41,643 I think I was, like, five or six. 634 00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:46,189 And I thought that I kind of... 635 00:42:47,649 --> 00:42:48,483 liked it. 636 00:42:48,483 --> 00:42:50,068 Maybe. At first. 637 00:42:50,068 --> 00:42:51,403 Then I didn't. 638 00:42:52,988 --> 00:42:57,159 And when you didn't like it, or maybe even when you thought you did, 639 00:42:58,201 --> 00:43:01,413 how did it make you feel, Erik? 640 00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:06,835 Well, I... I never blamed him. 641 00:43:07,794 --> 00:43:09,338 - No? - No. 642 00:43:10,172 --> 00:43:11,131 Because... 643 00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:19,431 Because what, Erik? 644 00:43:21,558 --> 00:43:24,186 Because my dad did it to him. 645 00:43:27,731 --> 00:43:31,318 Your father sexually molested your brother, Lyle? 646 00:43:31,318 --> 00:43:33,528 Yes. He told him it was... 647 00:43:33,528 --> 00:43:37,115 Like, this is what the Spartans did. It made you tough. 648 00:43:37,908 --> 00:43:40,452 I don't know how long he did it with Lyle. 649 00:43:40,952 --> 00:43:45,332 But I know that at some point, Lyle told him to stop, and he did. 650 00:43:47,918 --> 00:43:52,047 And that time when it stopped, I remember when that happened. 651 00:43:52,631 --> 00:43:54,424 I remember that time very vividly. 652 00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:58,470 And why was that? 653 00:44:00,222 --> 00:44:03,475 Because that's when my dad started doing it to me. 654 00:44:09,022 --> 00:44:10,315 Oh, Erik. 655 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:15,028 Oh, sweetheart. 656 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,365 It's okay. 657 00:44:18,865 --> 00:44:20,992 Thank you for telling me that. 658 00:44:22,285 --> 00:44:23,286 Thank you. 659 00:44:24,871 --> 00:44:28,542 How could you even survive that? Tell me. 660 00:44:29,084 --> 00:44:31,044 You just... you just do it. 661 00:44:31,545 --> 00:44:32,963 You just do what you have to. 662 00:44:32,963 --> 00:44:35,424 You avoid him, and you, um... 663 00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:39,594 You try to play along, just so that it'll go faster. 664 00:44:39,594 --> 00:44:41,304 You get it over with. 665 00:44:41,304 --> 00:44:45,600 You sprinkle cinnamon onto his coffee, or put it on his food, or... 666 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,686 Wait. Why... Why cinnamon? 667 00:44:48,228 --> 00:44:49,813 It just made the, um... 668 00:44:51,857 --> 00:44:53,650 It made the cum taste better. 669 00:44:56,653 --> 00:44:58,488 It didn't really work because... 670 00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:02,701 he started getting annoyed that there was cinnamon on everything. 671 00:45:03,201 --> 00:45:07,706 And suddenly, he started putting lemon juice on all of my food, 672 00:45:07,706 --> 00:45:10,250 just so that it would numb my taste buds... 673 00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:11,543 Did that work? 674 00:45:11,543 --> 00:45:12,961 Not... Not really. 675 00:45:13,545 --> 00:45:17,090 But I had to keep trying. 676 00:45:18,133 --> 00:45:22,763 Just to change the lives that we were living. 677 00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:26,433 And... I knew at some point 678 00:45:26,433 --> 00:45:29,770 that I was going to be willing to do anything, 679 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,106 just to make it all stop.