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[mysterious music playing]
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[cell phone ringing]
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[cell phone continues ringing]
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- Laurel.
- [Laurel] Jerry!
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Jerry.
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- No, no.
- Oh my God.
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You need to come back home right now.
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- What? What are you talking about?
- No, right now.
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- [dial tone]
- What the fuck?
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[phone clicks]
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- How many square feet is the kitchen?
- 380 square feet.
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Uh-huh.
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- Parking in the back?
- Four spaces.
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That's fucking great. I mean...
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[hands clap]
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- Heart of Westwood, close to UCLA.
- It's perfect, dude.
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- [cell phone ringing]
- It's a fucking gold mine.
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Hello.
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Gus, what's happening, my man?
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[sniffs] How's the restaurant?
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Huh?
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What?
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[Laurel] Jerry!
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- What in the fuck is going on here?
- Jerry!
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Dr. Oziel, as I explained to your wife,
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we've been granted
a lawful court order to search your home.
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On what fucking grounds?
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Well, we have come to believe
there are relevant tape recordings
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related to the murder
of Jose and Kitty Menendez.
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Who told you that?
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He recorded their sessions.
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He got their confessions all on tape.
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We're talking
hours and hours of them talking
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about how they planned it,
why they did it, if they felt any remorse.
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[Zoeller] Let's just say
a credible source.
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- It was her, Jer.
- Not now, Laurel.
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- You know it was that crazy bitch.
- I said, not now.
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[Zoeller] Would you like
to go get dressed?
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For the record, I'd like to make it clear
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that I in no way violated
the confidentiality of my patients,
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nor was I aware
this search was going to take place,
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as is evidenced by the state of undress
of my wife, and the fact that I was--
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We understand that, doctor.
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Now, where are the tapes?
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[Glenn] What...
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Whoa.
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- What is this?
- Just fucking take it, okay.
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If the cops are gonna arrest me,
then I'm gonna need you to bail me out,
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then call my attorney, Gerry Chaleff.
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- Lyle, you're being paranoid.
- I'm not being fucking paranoid, Glenn.
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Those cops still think that
Erik and I killed our parents.
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I don't know who the fuck else
they've been talking to.
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They probably talked
to my therapist, Oziel.
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Of course, he can't tell them shit
'cause of patient confidentiality.
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Fuck those cops. It's not your fault
they can't find the killer.
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Hayden, if the police are able to somehow
get around the confidentiality thing,
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and then they get their hands
on those fucking tapes, I am fucked!
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I am fucked!
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I'm fucked!
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[button clicks]
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[Dr. Oziel] Do you think your mother
deserved to die?
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[Erik] I don't think we ever
thought about it like that.
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[Lyle] It was more like,
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"Well, if we're gonna kill our dad,
we should probably just kill our mom too."
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[Dr. Oziel] Did one of you feel
differently about killing your mom?
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[Lyle] No, absolutely not.
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There's no way that I was gonna
make a decision to kill my mother
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without Erik's consent.
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I didn't even want
to influence him on the issue.
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I just let him sleep on it
for a few nights.
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[Dr. Oziel] Okay. Erik?
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[Erik] Yeah.
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We had to kill her.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[water sloshing]
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[inhales and exhales deeply]
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[exhales]
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[music fades]
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Okay, who's up for some lunch?
Come on. Come on.
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- [Glenn] Yeah.
- Let's go. Ready? I'm fucking starving.
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[Glenn] Sick ride, man.
Did you get a good deal?
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- Hey, Glenn?
- Yeah?
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Shut the fuck up.
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Dude, when are you getting
your Porsche out of the shop?
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Tomorrow, but till then I've got to drive
Erik's piece of shit Wrangler.
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[car engine starts]
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- Whoa!
- [tires screeching]
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Douchebag, what the fuck
are you doing? God...
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[tires screeching]
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- Go, go, go! Let's move!
- [intense music playing]
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Hands up where I can see them
or I'll blow your fucking head off.
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- [police 1] Get out!
- [police 2] Let me see your hands!
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Get out of the car. Get out of the car!
Come over here.
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Get on your knees. On your knees.
Down on your stomach.
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Put your hands
behind your back. Don't move!
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[handcuffs clicking]
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[grunts]
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Joseph Lyle Menendez,
you have the right to remain silent.
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Anything you say can and will be used
against you in a court of law. You have--
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[camera flashes]
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[music fades]
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How can this be happening, Gerry?
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You said they couldn't arrest us.
You said they couldn't touch us.
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You said that the police
didn't have a case.
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Well, it seems they do now,
and apparently, the DA agrees.
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[Erik] Fuck!
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Okay. Well then, what am I supposed
to do, Gerry? Tell me.
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[Gerry] Listen, I'm going
to call my buddy,
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Robert Shapiro, top criminal attorney.
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He can help us handle this.
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Okay? In the meantime,
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drop out of your tennis tournament
and get the hell out of Israel.
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Last thing you want
is to be arrested by Interpol,
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thrown into some Middle Eastern jail
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where your constitutional protections
don't apply.
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[buzzer blaring]
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[door clanking]
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[inmate] Come here.
Let me take a look at you.
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[inmate 2] Hey, there's that Menendez boy.
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[inmate 3] Ooh, Menendez.
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Holy crap, baby girl.
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[inmate 4] I heard
you killed your parents.
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[inmate 5] El bandito!
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Jesus Christ. I can't live in that.
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Well, you's about to.
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Now get in.
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[buzzer blares]
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[metal door clanks]
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[woman] Welcome to Los Angeles.
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Thank you for flying with us. Welcome.
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- It's okay. You don't have to handcuff me.
- Sorry.
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It's regulation.
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You have the right to remain silent.
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Anything you say can and will be used
against you in a court of law.
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You have the right to an attorney.
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If you cannot afford one,
one will be provided for you.
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[female vocalizing]
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[buzzer blaring]
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[metal door clanks]
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[female vocalizing]
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[buzzer blaring]
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[metal door clanks]
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[gagging]
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[Erik coughing]
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[Lyle] Erik?
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Erik?
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[Erik] Lyle?
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Hey!
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Lyle? Is that you?
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Yeah.
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[Erik exhales deeply]
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When did you get back to LA?
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A... A couple of hours ago.
The cops picked me up at LAX.
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I was so worried, E.
I thought that maybe you might
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try to flee and... I don't know, I thought
that I might never see you again.
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[Erik] Of course, I was coming back.
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You're my brother.
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What are we gonna do?
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- Lyle, what are we gonna tell people?
- Hey...
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It's just us now, E.
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We're on our own.
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[Lyle sniffs]
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[Lyle] So that's Pert Plus,
and that's shampoo and conditioner.
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[Grandmother] I sent you some hairspray.
You said Aqua Net?
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No, I said, not Aqua Net because they...
confiscate that shit in here.
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You can make it into a torch, evidently.
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I need mousse anyway,
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so please just tell Jamie.
Jamie knows what to get.
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- Insert 10 cents for five more minutes.
- [Lyle] Fuck!
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[coins clanking]
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Okay. Make it fast
because these phones, Robert,
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it's impossible to get any dimes in here.
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[Robert] Lyle, focus. We just have
to tell them a more compelling story
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than the prosecution, okay?
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"It was the Five Families."
That's a very vague story.
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Okay, well, then, uh...
focus on one of the families.
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Like, what's the one...
The Bambinos, focus on them.
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- Insert 10 cents for five more minutes.
- Fuck!
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Robert, what I need is fucking dimes,
so can you... can you get on that?
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Please.
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Yo. Can I borrow a dime?
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Yeah, if you suck my dick.
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Candy-ass.
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["Dirty Cash (Money Talks)" by
The Adventures of Stevie V playing]
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Erik, you gotta eat.
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I can't.
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Can I have your milk?
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You can't just drink milk, though.
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[Erik sighs]
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[Erik] That dude over there
won't stop staring at me.
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Don't look.
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I'm gonna get killed in here.
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I gotta go.
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♪ I've no excuse ♪
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Come on, man! What the fuck? Fuck!
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[all laughing]
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[Jamie] I feel like if we can get through
this, we can get through anything.
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Yeah. So listen, hey, the mousse, right?
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And then the wig tape.
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And seriously, fucking dimes.
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Grandma sent like five dimes.
We need rolls and rolls of them.
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Hey, Erik, you wanna talk to Jamie?
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♪ Dirty cash, I want you ♪
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I need wig tape, okay?
It's called Topstick.
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The wig, it attaches to hooks.
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But it's the tape
that keeps the edges down.
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That's how it stays on in the front.
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♪ Money talks ♪
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♪ Dirty cash, I want you
Dirty cash I need you, oh ♪
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E...
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- Why is there milk in the toilet?
- That's where I keep it cold.
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Hey.
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You can't just drink milk, okay?
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The food makes me wanna puke, Lyle.
What am I supposed to do?
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- [Jamie] Moist towelettes?
- [Lyle] Yeah.
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As many of those as you can get
because, uh, he's starting to stink.
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Wait. He's gonna, like,
clean his body with them?
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I mean, hopefully?
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[Lyle] I think he's scared of the showers.
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♪ I wasn't right, now that's all behind ♪
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♪ I want to get rich quick ♪
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It just gets so fucking gummy
with the tape.
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Can't clean it right in here.
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Lyle, is that my toothbrush?
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[guard] Menendez.
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♪ Money talks, umm-hmm
Money talks ♪
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♪ Dirty cash I want... ♪
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[grandma] Here's 50 dollars.
This will get you all the dimes you need.
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Fuck!
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Grandma, you fucking moron!
I don't need money. I need dimes!
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Dimes, dimes, dimes! Motherfucking dimes!
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We're fucking millionaires,
and we can't get a roll of fucking dimes.
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♪ Dirty cash I need you, oh ♪
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[coin clangs]
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Uncle Carlos, we had absolutely nothing
to do with the murders.
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Listen to me. I'm not giving you
100 fucking dollars for nine dimes.
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[coins clang]
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Now this mousse is 9.99, and I will
give it to you for two dimes. Two!
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♪ I'm dirty cash
The one that you asked for ♪
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♪ I'm wanted by the rich and the poor ♪
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♪ More and more
You just can't reject it ♪
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♪ You're the junkie and I inject it ♪
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♪ nto your blood stream
It's like a bad dream ♪
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Fuck!
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Showers here used to scare me,
but they don't anymore.
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00:13:25,347 --> 00:13:28,517
I wait 20 minutes
so everybody else is done, then I go in.
247
00:13:28,517 --> 00:13:30,227
Get the showers all to myself.
248
00:13:30,727 --> 00:13:31,687
See you around.
249
00:13:31,687 --> 00:13:34,982
♪ People are lying, woman or man anyone
Who'll give them a hand, cash money ♪
250
00:13:34,982 --> 00:13:36,191
Hey.
251
00:13:36,191 --> 00:13:37,484
Yeah, I'm not great.
252
00:13:38,735 --> 00:13:39,987
Hey, Uncle Carlos.
253
00:13:40,654 --> 00:13:41,822
[coin clanging]
254
00:13:42,948 --> 00:13:46,785
We need fucking rolls and rolls.
255
00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:49,079
♪ Money talks, money talks ♪
256
00:13:49,079 --> 00:13:51,915
You've gotta find a way to sneak it
in here 'cause these guys hate wigs.
257
00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:54,626
♪ Dirty cash, I want you
Dirty cash, I need you, oh ♪
258
00:13:58,046 --> 00:13:59,464
["Money Talks" ends]
259
00:14:00,716 --> 00:14:02,676
[showers running]
260
00:14:02,676 --> 00:14:04,761
[indistinct chatter]
261
00:14:13,979 --> 00:14:16,315
[mellow music playing]
262
00:14:18,984 --> 00:14:20,402
[Lyle moaning]
263
00:14:21,278 --> 00:14:23,280
[indistinct chatter]
264
00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:28,785
[sobbing]
265
00:14:41,757 --> 00:14:42,883
[door closes]
266
00:15:34,893 --> 00:15:37,396
- See you around.
- Yeah, see ya.
267
00:15:45,988 --> 00:15:49,074
With two pieces a day,
I can kinda make it look okay,
268
00:15:49,074 --> 00:15:51,118
but I really need more like four.
269
00:15:51,118 --> 00:15:53,036
Uh, the brand is called Topstick.
270
00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:56,832
Uh, and then I also need something...
This one's really important.
271
00:15:56,832 --> 00:15:58,166
Bain de Soleil.
272
00:15:58,750 --> 00:16:01,128
Bain de Soleil.
As much of that as you can get.
273
00:16:01,712 --> 00:16:03,714
Bain de Soleil. What is that?
274
00:16:03,714 --> 00:16:05,257
- It's self-tanner.
- [Robert] Mmm.
275
00:16:08,093 --> 00:16:08,927
Look at him.
276
00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:11,972
He looks like a fucking ghost. We both do.
277
00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:15,225
It's the lights in here. They leech
the vitamin D out of your bones.
278
00:16:15,225 --> 00:16:18,061
Hey, where are we with Castro?
Is there any movement on that?
279
00:16:18,061 --> 00:16:22,065
Because everything with my father,
it all fucking comes back to Cuba.
280
00:16:22,065 --> 00:16:24,693
You... you were just saying this
the other day, were you not?
281
00:16:24,693 --> 00:16:26,570
- Yeah, I just think that--
- [man] Guys...
282
00:16:26,570 --> 00:16:28,196
We got to get real here.
283
00:16:28,196 --> 00:16:31,450
I... I don't think you get
what's going on here.
284
00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:36,038
We have to talk about your case,
not about self-tanner and toupees.
285
00:16:36,038 --> 00:16:39,291
This makes me think you don't understand
what's going on here, Mr. Shapiro,
286
00:16:39,291 --> 00:16:40,792
because this is 1990.
287
00:16:40,792 --> 00:16:43,462
It's a new era, and this case
is gonna be on television,
288
00:16:43,462 --> 00:16:45,922
which means, the number one thing
that I'm concerned about
289
00:16:45,922 --> 00:16:47,340
is how we look on camera.
290
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,593
Because if we look the right way, right?
291
00:16:49,593 --> 00:16:52,679
Smart, clean-cut, whole lives ahead of us,
292
00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:57,017
then there isn't a fucking jury on this
planet that's gonna believe we did this.
293
00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,061
- Because we didn't.
- Because we didn't.
294
00:16:59,061 --> 00:17:00,062
Um. Okay.
295
00:17:00,062 --> 00:17:03,398
Well, let me tell you the number one thing
I'm concerned about.
296
00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:12,532
Is that... Is that a sauna?
297
00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:14,451
No, Erik.
298
00:17:15,452 --> 00:17:16,912
It's a gas chamber.
299
00:17:17,788 --> 00:17:19,873
It's built for two, which is convenient.
300
00:17:22,209 --> 00:17:25,003
[exhales] I... I hate to break it
to you two,
301
00:17:25,003 --> 00:17:26,963
but you're not sympathetic people.
302
00:17:27,506 --> 00:17:28,715
You're rich and spoiled,
303
00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,676
and that's the type of person
folks love to hate.
304
00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:35,722
I mean, your arraignment was a...
a disaster.
305
00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:38,725
- [inaudible]
- [tense music playing]
306
00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:41,978
[Robert] I mean,
you looked like psychopaths.
307
00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:46,691
I told you to smile.
308
00:17:47,442 --> 00:17:48,401
Be respectful.
309
00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:53,657
- Yes, Your Honor. No, Your Honor. But no.
- The lights were bugging out my eyes.
310
00:17:53,657 --> 00:17:56,451
- The judge's voice was ridiculous--
- I'd barely slept for days.
311
00:17:56,451 --> 00:17:57,369
Guys!
312
00:17:57,994 --> 00:17:59,496
We gotta get serious, okay?
313
00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:01,790
Because this image thing
that you're trying to portray,
314
00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,792
that train has left the station.
315
00:18:05,043 --> 00:18:08,296
Folks have a very strong opinion
of you two.
316
00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:11,216
We did not kill our parents.
317
00:18:11,216 --> 00:18:14,094
Yes, yes, but John Q. Public
thinks you did.
318
00:18:15,137 --> 00:18:18,014
So if you want to avoid this. This!
319
00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:20,058
Then I suggest we try a different strategy
320
00:18:20,058 --> 00:18:23,311
other than fake tanner
and blaming Fidel Castro.
321
00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:26,940
[dramatic music playing]
322
00:18:35,157 --> 00:18:36,658
I mean, we could always...
323
00:18:43,415 --> 00:18:44,416
No, I just...
324
00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,170
We haven't talked to you
about what really happened.
325
00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,464
- What the fuck are you talking about?
- I'm not talking about that night.
326
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:56,052
We don't... we don't know what happened
that night. We were at the movies.
327
00:18:57,137 --> 00:19:01,099
I'm just talking about
the stuff that went on before that.
328
00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:06,062
[Lyle chuckling]
329
00:19:10,025 --> 00:19:12,777
I'm sorry, would you
please give my brother and I
330
00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:15,822
just a brief moment with one another?
331
00:19:17,073 --> 00:19:17,991
Alone?
332
00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:21,745
Thank you.
333
00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:31,796
[Lyle] We aren't gonna talk about that.
334
00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:35,425
I just think it could
kind of help the jury understand.
335
00:19:35,425 --> 00:19:38,595
It's... it's like you said,
it does have to do with Mom and Dad.
336
00:19:38,595 --> 00:19:40,889
That stuff just happens sometimes, Erik.
337
00:19:41,973 --> 00:19:43,225
It's just being boys.
338
00:19:47,312 --> 00:19:48,855
We're not gonna talk about it.
339
00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:50,941
[metal door clanging]
340
00:19:53,151 --> 00:19:56,655
So, I'm fired.
That's... that's what you're saying?
341
00:19:56,655 --> 00:20:00,033
That is exactly what we're saying.
You're not even defending them.
342
00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:02,994
Because they are impossible to defend.
343
00:20:02,994 --> 00:20:03,912
[speaking Spanish]
344
00:20:03,912 --> 00:20:05,789
And you fire me. Fine! [chuckling]
345
00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:08,291
Here's some free advice.
346
00:20:08,291 --> 00:20:12,796
The reason they were arrested
is because there are audio tapes.
347
00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:17,759
And the police, now maybe they shouldn't
have, but they have listened to them.
348
00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:20,470
So you need to open your eyes to the fact
349
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:24,182
that Lyle and Erik's story is full
of holes, and they might be guilty.
350
00:20:24,182 --> 00:20:25,809
No, no, no, no!
351
00:20:25,809 --> 00:20:28,436
[in Spanish] Not this.
Then why did we get a lawyer?
352
00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:31,022
- Shut your mouth!
- Look. look, look!
353
00:20:31,022 --> 00:20:32,232
- Shh.
- [man] Come on.
354
00:20:32,232 --> 00:20:35,235
Look, I'm the guy you hired
to cut a deal. Okay?
355
00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:37,279
That's... that's what I thought
I was here to do.
356
00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:40,615
So if you want to try
to get them off, I'm not your guy.
357
00:20:40,615 --> 00:20:43,868
Because I don't believe them,
and the jury won't believe them.
358
00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:48,373
So you need to find somebody else.
And... you need to find a much better story.
359
00:20:48,373 --> 00:20:52,043
Or those boys of yours,
you're so convinced are innocent,
360
00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:56,756
the State of California
is going to put them to death.
361
00:20:59,134 --> 00:21:00,343
Best of luck to you.
362
00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:03,680
[Robert sighing heavily]
363
00:21:09,019 --> 00:21:11,438
[Tony] That shit was almost a misdemeanor.
364
00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:15,692
Five years ago, it would have been.
[grunts]
365
00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:20,322
But the new law,
five rocks, that's a felony.
366
00:21:20,905 --> 00:21:25,535
[breathing heavy] Then 'cause I got
a gun on me, suddenly it's aggravated.
367
00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:30,290
And I'm in here with, you know, murderers.
368
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:32,625
[metal clanking]
369
00:21:33,251 --> 00:21:35,211
[Tony] And here's you and me
in here with 'em.
370
00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:40,383
Yeah, it's... innocent people.
371
00:21:41,885 --> 00:21:43,887
Guess that's just the way the system is.
372
00:21:44,387 --> 00:21:45,472
I'm confused...
373
00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:46,890
[buzzer blaring]
374
00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:47,974
...about you.
375
00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:51,728
- What do you mean?
- Well, what you like?
376
00:21:52,562 --> 00:21:53,897
You like dudes, right?
377
00:21:54,606 --> 00:21:55,565
You gay, right?
378
00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:58,109
What? No.
379
00:21:59,736 --> 00:22:00,612
No.
380
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:04,407
- I don't even like that word.
- Okay. Yeah, fine, me neither.
381
00:22:04,407 --> 00:22:08,244
You ain't gay. But I'm saying,
you like being with dudes, right?
382
00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,330
[contemplative music playing]
383
00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:14,542
I don't know 'cause, um...
384
00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:18,004
What I went through at home.
385
00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:20,048
But, uh...
386
00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:23,510
I like being around you.
387
00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:26,638
[clicks tongue] Yeah, okay.
388
00:22:30,183 --> 00:22:32,560
I know who I am. I don't give a fuck.
389
00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:35,772
And neither should you is all I'm saying.
390
00:22:37,524 --> 00:22:39,067
It's okay to be who you are.
391
00:22:40,652 --> 00:22:42,862
Yeah. Not in my family.
392
00:22:43,488 --> 00:22:45,865
What did I do? I don't have anything.
393
00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:56,167
[guard] What's this?
394
00:22:56,835 --> 00:22:58,962
What? I... I don't know.
395
00:22:58,962 --> 00:23:01,047
["The Power" by Snap! playing]
396
00:23:06,803 --> 00:23:08,930
[Lyle] Erik, read this once,
then throw it away.
397
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:10,640
These are things I've been thinking about.
398
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,977
I think Mark should drive the Porsche
into the prison loading dock.
399
00:23:13,977 --> 00:23:15,687
♪ I've got the power ♪
400
00:23:15,687 --> 00:23:17,021
[tire screeching]
401
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,358
[Lyle] Then hop out,
but leave the engine running.
402
00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:23,611
♪ I've got the power ♪
403
00:23:23,611 --> 00:23:26,197
[Lyle] We'll jump into the car
and head to the 110.
404
00:23:29,617 --> 00:23:30,952
[engine revving]
405
00:23:30,952 --> 00:23:32,328
[tires screeching]
406
00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:33,663
[Lyle] See drawing below.
407
00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:35,999
Next, our appearances.
408
00:23:35,999 --> 00:23:37,417
♪ I've got the power ♪
409
00:23:38,543 --> 00:23:40,336
[Lyle] I think we should
get plastic surgery.
410
00:23:40,336 --> 00:23:44,966
We need facelifts, chin implants maybe,
and of course we change our hair.
411
00:23:49,888 --> 00:23:51,055
We'll need passports,
412
00:23:52,682 --> 00:23:53,641
visas...
413
00:23:54,726 --> 00:23:56,352
Then we figure out where we're going.
414
00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:01,399
I think we head
to Mark H's granddad's camp in Canada,
415
00:24:02,025 --> 00:24:03,651
just until the heat's off.
416
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:08,531
I think Toronto, London, Belgium, Lebanon,
417
00:24:08,531 --> 00:24:10,700
and then we settle in Colombia.
418
00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:13,453
They like chicken wings there.
419
00:24:13,453 --> 00:24:15,079
[knocking on door]
420
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:17,165
- What?
- [guard] Get up. Gotta search your cell.
421
00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:18,958
What's this?
422
00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,710
I... I don't know.
423
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:22,962
Lyle Menendez,
please step out to the red line.
424
00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:24,005
[Lyle] What's going on?
425
00:24:24,005 --> 00:24:26,633
- Step out to the red line!
- [Lyle] You need to tell me why.
426
00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:27,592
What's going on?
427
00:24:27,592 --> 00:24:29,677
- [guard] Step to the red line.
- [Lyle] Tell me why.
428
00:24:29,677 --> 00:24:31,971
- Hey, what the fuck?!
- [Erik] Hey! Lyle!
429
00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:34,057
- [Lyle] Where are you taking me?
- Lyle!
430
00:24:34,057 --> 00:24:36,559
- Where are you taking him?
- [Lyle] What is going on?
431
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,520
[Carlos] They moved your brother
to a different cell block.
432
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,813
I don't understand. Why?
433
00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:45,068
Lyle says that he wrote you
some kind of a letter.
434
00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:47,195
We pass each other letters all the time.
435
00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:50,949
Right, but this letter,
this one was an escape plan.
436
00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:53,826
Erik.
437
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:55,828
Not good.
438
00:24:56,454 --> 00:24:59,457
- When is he coming back?
- [Carlos] They moved him there for good.
439
00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:01,501
Is there anybody in there?
440
00:25:02,627 --> 00:25:05,129
Maybe someone on your cell block that you...
441
00:25:06,381 --> 00:25:07,799
that you think you could trust.
442
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:09,884
[female vocalizing]
443
00:25:13,304 --> 00:25:14,264
Yeah.
444
00:25:15,723 --> 00:25:17,642
[female vocalizing]
445
00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:19,727
[indistinct chatter]
446
00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:54,137
So, why exactly are you looking to adopt?
447
00:25:54,137 --> 00:25:58,057
We've been talking about it for a while.
Starting our own family, I mean.
448
00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,893
My wife has a grown daughter
from a previous marriage,
449
00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,771
and we didn't end up getting married
until we were both in--
450
00:26:03,771 --> 00:26:07,817
Tim, this woman
doesn't need our entire life story.
451
00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:10,153
On second thought, maybe she does.
452
00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:13,948
I guess that's how you guys determine
who's fit to be good parents, right?
453
00:26:13,948 --> 00:26:17,118
If I'm being honest,
I think all couples should have to prove
454
00:26:17,118 --> 00:26:19,037
they're fit to be good parents.
455
00:26:19,037 --> 00:26:22,248
It is way too easy to have a kid.
456
00:26:22,832 --> 00:26:25,126
Some couples, they have a baby,
457
00:26:25,126 --> 00:26:27,837
neglect them, abuse them,
treat them like scum,
458
00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:30,798
and then 20 years later,
I end up having to defend them.
459
00:26:31,382 --> 00:26:34,427
By the looks of your profile,
Miss Abramson,
460
00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:36,763
you're a very successful attorney.
461
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:40,975
And as your husband mentioned,
you already have a grown daughter.
462
00:26:40,975 --> 00:26:44,145
So I certainly don't need to tell you
how hard it is being a mother.
463
00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:48,941
Is there a reason why,
at this point in your life,
464
00:26:49,484 --> 00:26:51,277
you're ready to do that all over again?
465
00:26:52,487 --> 00:26:54,947
Okay, here's an embarrassing confession.
466
00:26:57,492 --> 00:26:59,410
I don't actually remember being a mother.
467
00:26:59,410 --> 00:27:03,873
I mean, yes, of course, I remember it.
But it's all pretty hazy.
468
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,876
I had Laine
right before I started law school.
469
00:27:06,876 --> 00:27:08,336
I had just gotten divorced.
470
00:27:08,336 --> 00:27:12,215
And it was all I could manage
just to keep my head above water.
471
00:27:12,215 --> 00:27:15,218
Not that I was a bad mother.
I was not a bad mother.
472
00:27:15,218 --> 00:27:16,719
Imperfect? Yes.
473
00:27:17,595 --> 00:27:20,348
Workaholic? Guilty as charged.
474
00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:27,647
But I feel that
I'm at a point in my life now
475
00:27:29,065 --> 00:27:33,361
where I could actually
enjoy being a mother.
476
00:27:34,696 --> 00:27:37,198
Where it wouldn't all feel
like such a struggle.
477
00:27:38,199 --> 00:27:40,868
And, because of my line of work,
478
00:27:41,869 --> 00:27:45,915
I see what happens when kids
don't get the nurturing they need.
479
00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:51,504
So if I can raise a child
and give them the love they need
480
00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:56,008
so that they never have to come across
a criminal defense attorney like me,
481
00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,260
then sign me up.
482
00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:02,974
Even if it means having to...
change diapers for a couple of years.
483
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:05,560
[women laughing]
484
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,729
Dominick, you are exaggerating.
485
00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:11,899
Sharon, you should know me
well enough by now to know
486
00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:14,110
that I never exaggerate.
487
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:16,738
Okay. But evil?
488
00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:19,323
You truly believe
those Menendez boys are evil?
489
00:28:19,323 --> 00:28:20,241
Yes.
490
00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:24,036
When you've stared evil in the face,
as I have,
491
00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:25,747
it's something you never forget.
492
00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:27,248
So you think they did it?
493
00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:29,167
Of course they did it.
494
00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:32,670
They're classic sociopaths.
495
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:35,173
Especially the older brother.
496
00:28:35,715 --> 00:28:38,801
His eyes are even more vacant
than Claus von Bülow's.
497
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:43,514
How can a child even think of doing
something like that to a parent?
498
00:28:44,098 --> 00:28:46,184
Nothing much shocks me anymore, Joyce.
499
00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:49,061
What people are capable of.
500
00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:53,691
The only thing
that shocks me, disgusts me,
501
00:28:53,691 --> 00:28:55,943
is that we have a justice system
502
00:28:55,943 --> 00:28:58,988
that puts the rights
of killers and rapists
503
00:28:58,988 --> 00:29:00,823
over and above their victims.
504
00:29:00,823 --> 00:29:04,869
The justice system
is blatantly biased against defendants,
505
00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:07,830
especially if those defendants
are Black and brown
506
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:09,624
and lack access to adequate counsel.
507
00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:11,959
Fair enough, but in several
of your biggest cases,
508
00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:15,004
doubt as to your client's guilt
isn't in dispute.
509
00:29:15,004 --> 00:29:18,341
So you're saying only innocent people
deserve a proper defense?
510
00:29:18,341 --> 00:29:23,054
No, I'm asking if everyone is entitled
to a Leslie Abramson defense,
511
00:29:23,054 --> 00:29:26,265
especially if they're being accused
of capital murder.
512
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:29,894
Capital punishment
is an absolute moral travesty.
513
00:29:29,894 --> 00:29:32,855
Not only is it immoral,
it is also barbaric.
514
00:29:33,356 --> 00:29:35,525
It is unfathomable.
515
00:29:35,525 --> 00:29:39,278
- Well, if it isn't the dragon lady.
- Who?
516
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:41,239
Leslie Abramson.
517
00:29:41,864 --> 00:29:45,910
Defense attorney
to society's most reprehensible.
518
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:50,122
When you're trying a murder case,
you can't just take it at face value.
519
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,710
You have to determine
the state of mind the person was in
520
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:56,587
when they committed the crime.
521
00:29:56,587 --> 00:29:58,548
That woman there,
522
00:29:58,548 --> 00:30:03,469
she's the epitome of everything
that's wrong with the legal system.
523
00:30:03,469 --> 00:30:06,973
Were they mentally competent
when they committed the crime?
524
00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:09,141
Were they cognitively impaired?
525
00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:12,895
Did they have reason to believe,
rightly or wrongly,
526
00:30:12,895 --> 00:30:14,814
that their lives were in danger?
527
00:30:14,814 --> 00:30:18,234
Do you know she tried
to help make a plea deal
528
00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:21,904
for the man who murdered my daughter?
529
00:30:22,488 --> 00:30:25,825
She has a pathological affection
for guilty clients,
530
00:30:26,868 --> 00:30:29,704
in particular, guilty young men.
531
00:30:29,704 --> 00:30:34,917
And if there's one thing
the prosecution doesn't like, it's nuance.
532
00:30:34,917 --> 00:30:38,337
To them, every defendant is a nail
533
00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:41,632
that deserves to be hammered
by the system.
534
00:30:42,592 --> 00:30:46,429
It's easy to talk about justice
when you don't know all the facts.
535
00:30:46,429 --> 00:30:50,057
So I guess you could say
"outrage" is your middle name.
536
00:30:52,643 --> 00:30:55,479
Actually, believe it or not,
537
00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:57,607
it's Hope.
538
00:31:09,327 --> 00:31:10,328
Dominick.
539
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,873
Oh. Hello, Leslie.
540
00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:16,000
Odd seeing you here.
541
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,878
It's true, it's not my usual scene.
542
00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:21,839
The ladies who lunch crowd,
that's much more your thing.
543
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,637
I read your client Rick Sanders'
appeal motion got denied again.
544
00:31:27,637 --> 00:31:31,182
Looks like he's not getting off
death row anytime soon.
545
00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:37,855
I'm sure Dominick has been
entertaining you ladies.
546
00:31:37,855 --> 00:31:40,399
You know, apart from being
a failed movie producer,
547
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,401
he's quite the raconteur.
548
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:47,073
Just don't believe everything he says.
He's prone to exaggeration.
549
00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:48,866
[chuckles]
550
00:31:48,866 --> 00:31:52,119
[inhales] Well, don't let us
keep you, Leslie.
551
00:31:52,662 --> 00:31:55,873
I'm sure somewhere there's a murderer
in need of your assistance.
552
00:31:57,166 --> 00:31:59,168
[dramatic music playing]
553
00:32:01,045 --> 00:32:01,879
[phone ringing]
554
00:32:01,879 --> 00:32:03,422
This is Leslie.
555
00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:04,840
Hey, Gerry.
556
00:32:05,383 --> 00:32:07,885
Yeah, I just finished giving an interview.
557
00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:11,347
Yes. To a reporter.
558
00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:14,809
Oh, I don't hate all the press.
559
00:32:14,809 --> 00:32:17,603
Come on, just the numbskulls.
560
00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:20,982
Need I remind you,
I'm married to a reporter.
561
00:32:21,565 --> 00:32:22,608
Now, what's up?
562
00:32:23,901 --> 00:32:25,861
Of course I've heard
of the case. Who hasn't?
563
00:32:25,861 --> 00:32:27,697
- [Gerry] They inquired about you.
- Wait, what?
564
00:32:27,697 --> 00:32:30,282
[Gerry] They called and checked
your availability.
565
00:32:31,492 --> 00:32:33,119
Are you fucking kidding me?
566
00:32:33,703 --> 00:32:36,455
Miss Abramson, thank...
thank you for making the time
567
00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:38,165
to come and... and meet all of us.
568
00:32:38,165 --> 00:32:42,044
Gerry Chaleff says you're the best female
criminal defense attorney in all of LA.
569
00:32:42,044 --> 00:32:43,838
I'm sure he didn't say that.
570
00:32:43,838 --> 00:32:47,258
Gerry wouldn't have said, "The best
female criminal defense attorney."
571
00:32:47,258 --> 00:32:50,094
He simply would have said I'm the best.
572
00:32:50,094 --> 00:32:53,848
Well, as you know,
we just fired Robert Shapiro.
573
00:32:53,848 --> 00:32:57,685
We didn't feel that
he was good enough for... for our boys.
574
00:32:57,685 --> 00:32:58,602
I know Bob.
575
00:32:58,602 --> 00:33:02,189
He's a fine lawyer, but he's not
who you want for a case like this.
576
00:33:02,189 --> 00:33:05,818
For him, it's all about
spinning the media narrative
577
00:33:05,818 --> 00:33:08,654
and hopefully cutting the best deal
for his clients.
578
00:33:08,654 --> 00:33:10,406
I don't like cutting deals.
579
00:33:11,365 --> 00:33:12,950
I prefer to fight.
580
00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:16,620
Because if you don't fight, you don't win.
581
00:33:17,955 --> 00:33:20,499
So you've worked
on cases like this before?
582
00:33:21,125 --> 00:33:24,462
Cases where the defendants
are accused of killing
583
00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:26,839
and you still manage to win?
584
00:33:27,423 --> 00:33:31,719
I recently defended a young man
by the name of Arnel Salvatierra,
585
00:33:31,719 --> 00:33:33,512
who admitted to killing his father.
586
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:35,681
He was up for first-degree murder.
587
00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:39,018
Arnel and his siblings suffered years
588
00:33:39,018 --> 00:33:43,647
of physical and psychological abuse
at the hands of their father.
589
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,524
He tortured them.
590
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,363
Now, the prosecution wanted you
to believe that Arnel was a monster.
591
00:33:52,198 --> 00:33:55,409
That he carefully planned
his father's murder for weeks
592
00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:58,037
and then shot him in his sleep
in cold blood.
593
00:33:58,037 --> 00:34:01,040
Well, that is not what I believe happened.
594
00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:06,378
I believe Arnel shot his father
out of self-defense.
595
00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:09,423
Should Arnel have waited until his father,
596
00:34:09,423 --> 00:34:12,968
in one of his rages,
finally ended up murdering him?
597
00:34:12,968 --> 00:34:14,261
[tense music playing]
598
00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:15,513
Or his mother?
599
00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:18,557
Or one of his siblings?
600
00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:21,435
Like what happened
to little Lisa Steinberg
601
00:34:21,435 --> 00:34:25,022
when her abusive father
finally ended up murdering her?
602
00:34:25,022 --> 00:34:27,108
I wanted the jury to see
603
00:34:27,983 --> 00:34:30,111
that Arnel was not the monster.
604
00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:34,365
On the contrary, he was the victim.
605
00:34:35,324 --> 00:34:39,078
If you convict Arnel
of first-degree murder,
606
00:34:39,078 --> 00:34:45,543
it will be as if his father's hand
will rise up from the grave
607
00:34:45,543 --> 00:34:51,048
and his final act of terrorism
will be with you as his accomplices.
608
00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:54,635
Arnel was acquitted
of first-degree murder.
609
00:34:56,762 --> 00:34:59,223
He was sentenced to three years probation.
610
00:34:59,723 --> 00:35:02,226
And you could do that for Lyle and Erik?
611
00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:04,520
To be clear, I'd only be defending Erik.
612
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,189
Lyle still needs to retain
his own separate counsel,
613
00:35:07,189 --> 00:35:09,859
but based on the documents
I've read so far,
614
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:13,696
these boys do not deserve to spend
the rest of their lives in prison,
615
00:35:13,696 --> 00:35:16,198
let alone face the death penalty.
616
00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:20,494
Now, I can't guarantee you an outcome,
617
00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:22,746
but I promise you,
618
00:35:23,664 --> 00:35:26,500
I will put up one hell of a fight.
619
00:35:35,134 --> 00:35:36,385
When can you start?
620
00:35:37,261 --> 00:35:39,972
Perhaps we should discuss my fee first.
621
00:35:39,972 --> 00:35:40,973
[Carlos chuckling]
622
00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:44,602
[Leslie sighs]
623
00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:50,733
I imagine these last few weeks
have been hard for you.
624
00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:54,361
All alone in jail,
separated from your brother.
625
00:35:55,112 --> 00:35:59,533
Yes, it's... it's been... a lot. [sniffs]
626
00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:11,378
[exhales] I'm sure you've heard what
they've been saying about you and Lyle.
627
00:36:11,962 --> 00:36:14,131
That you're a couple of spoiled rich kids
628
00:36:14,131 --> 00:36:17,051
who murdered your parents
for financial gain.
629
00:36:18,302 --> 00:36:19,428
And it's true.
630
00:36:20,262 --> 00:36:24,642
You boys sure did partake
in quite a bit of conspicuous consumption
631
00:36:24,642 --> 00:36:25,976
after the murders.
632
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,939
The cars, the designer clothes,
633
00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:32,816
the Rolexes, the luxury condos,
634
00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:36,320
a little excessive for retail therapy,
wouldn't you say?
635
00:36:37,363 --> 00:36:38,948
The spending spree,
636
00:36:38,948 --> 00:36:41,450
that was you and your brother's
first mistake.
637
00:36:42,034 --> 00:36:46,830
Then, you had the poor judgment
of trusting that scumbag, Dr. Oziel,
638
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:48,582
and confessed to him.
639
00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:52,795
Then, you let him record your sessions.
640
00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:57,508
- Then, you threatened to kill him.
- We were never gonna kill Dr. Oziel.
641
00:36:57,508 --> 00:37:01,220
Which is why it's now possible for
those tapes to be entered into evidence
642
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:03,013
and used against you at trial.
643
00:37:03,013 --> 00:37:05,891
We didn't know. We thought
that they were gonna stay confidential.
644
00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:10,854
Then, you and Lyle start telling people
different versions of what happened.
645
00:37:10,854 --> 00:37:15,651
What? Were you boys that confident
you were never gonna be arrested?
646
00:37:16,485 --> 00:37:20,906
Then, when you boys finally are arrested
and you show up in court,
647
00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:26,412
you look absolutely soulless
and devoid of remorse.
648
00:37:26,412 --> 00:37:28,038
Another big mistake.
649
00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:32,042
[sighs]
650
00:37:32,793 --> 00:37:35,045
Although, I guess your biggest mistake
651
00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,590
was killing your parents
in the first place.
652
00:37:39,550 --> 00:37:42,303
We... We... We didn't--
653
00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:44,722
I read the letter Lyle wrote you.
654
00:37:44,722 --> 00:37:47,599
That crazy, insane escape plan.
655
00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:49,226
But...
656
00:37:50,853 --> 00:37:54,815
there was something else he wrote
in there that caught my attention.
657
00:37:57,443 --> 00:37:58,652
[exhales deeply]
658
00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:04,074
"We alone know the truth."
659
00:38:05,576 --> 00:38:11,332
"We alone know the secrets
of our family's past."
660
00:38:11,332 --> 00:38:13,417
[dark music playing]
661
00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,177
What does he mean by that?
662
00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:34,938
[clicks tongue]
663
00:38:36,231 --> 00:38:38,067
I've hired Dr. William Vicary.
664
00:38:38,067 --> 00:38:39,902
He's a forensic psychiatrist.
665
00:38:39,902 --> 00:38:43,280
I want you to start meeting with him
to talk about what happened and why.
666
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,865
- No, no, no. No more shrinks.
- Erik--
667
00:38:44,865 --> 00:38:45,866
I can't.
668
00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:49,620
You said it yourself. It was a mistake
talking to Dr. Oziel. I will not.
669
00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:52,998
Well, that's because he's a prick
who violated professional ethics
670
00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:54,666
and manipulated your trust.
671
00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:58,128
I assure you,
Dr. Vicary is nothing like him.
672
00:39:02,925 --> 00:39:03,842
Erik...
673
00:39:05,803 --> 00:39:07,554
Now that I am your lawyer,
674
00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:10,849
I am not gonna let you
make any more mistakes.
675
00:39:13,435 --> 00:39:17,731
But I need you
to be totally honest with me
676
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,109
and to trust me.
677
00:39:22,236 --> 00:39:24,863
It's the only way we are gonna win.
678
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,909
I just can't stand the food.
679
00:39:28,909 --> 00:39:31,703
I've spent most of my life
building my body up.
680
00:39:32,830 --> 00:39:38,168
Trying to eat right, low-fat,
carbo-loading, and now this stuff.
681
00:39:38,168 --> 00:39:41,338
Erik, you're just wasting
your money here. Okay?
682
00:39:42,339 --> 00:39:44,883
My job is to help you
get to the bottom of all this.
683
00:39:45,509 --> 00:39:47,010
But trust me when I say
684
00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:51,348
I cannot do that
unless you start being honest with me.
685
00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:53,600
Like, really honest.
686
00:39:58,272 --> 00:39:59,148
Yeah.
687
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:02,609
It's just...
688
00:40:04,403 --> 00:40:05,446
[sighs]
689
00:40:07,698 --> 00:40:08,532
It's hard.
690
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,076
Try.
691
00:40:14,872 --> 00:40:15,747
Okay.
692
00:40:25,966 --> 00:40:26,967
Well...
693
00:40:31,889 --> 00:40:32,806
[sniffs]
694
00:40:33,682 --> 00:40:35,517
We... did do it.
695
00:40:37,394 --> 00:40:39,271
Lyle and I. We did.
696
00:40:43,025 --> 00:40:44,568
[inhales] But...
697
00:40:49,031 --> 00:40:50,157
[inhales deeply]
698
00:40:50,157 --> 00:40:51,241
There was...
699
00:40:57,331 --> 00:40:59,458
There was... a reason.
700
00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:01,084
[dramatic music playing]
701
00:41:07,466 --> 00:41:09,468
[siren blaring in distance]
702
00:41:10,677 --> 00:41:11,678
[coin rattling]
703
00:41:11,678 --> 00:41:14,848
Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on.
704
00:41:14,848 --> 00:41:16,725
[coin clangs]
705
00:41:16,725 --> 00:41:19,978
Those are notes
from my last two sessions with Erik.
706
00:41:29,154 --> 00:41:30,239
[sighs]
707
00:41:32,407 --> 00:41:33,825
You gotta be kidding me.
708
00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:39,915
[dramatic music ends]
709
00:41:39,915 --> 00:41:41,625
[Leslie] I talked to Dr. Vicary.
710
00:41:42,125 --> 00:41:43,210
I hope that's okay.
711
00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:06,316
I want to thank you for telling the truth.
712
00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:13,407
And I'm just gonna say
that truth out loud now.
713
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:23,417
You were sexually molested
by your brother Lyle.
714
00:42:29,756 --> 00:42:30,882
[exhales deeply]
715
00:42:32,301 --> 00:42:34,052
[Leslie] And this started when?
716
00:42:34,052 --> 00:42:35,220
[sniffs]
717
00:42:35,971 --> 00:42:37,264
I... I was little.
718
00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:41,643
[sniffs] I think I was, like, five or six.
719
00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:43,270
[inhales deeply]
720
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:46,189
And I thought that I kind of...
721
00:42:47,649 --> 00:42:48,483
liked it.
722
00:42:48,483 --> 00:42:50,068
Maybe. At first.
723
00:42:50,068 --> 00:42:51,403
Then I didn't.
724
00:42:52,988 --> 00:42:57,159
And when you didn't like it,
or maybe even when you thought you did,
725
00:42:58,201 --> 00:43:01,413
how did it make you feel, Erik?
726
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:06,835
Well, I... I never blamed him.
727
00:43:07,794 --> 00:43:09,338
- No?
- No.
728
00:43:10,172 --> 00:43:11,131
Because...
729
00:43:14,843 --> 00:43:16,094
[exhales]
730
00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:19,431
Because what, Erik?
731
00:43:21,558 --> 00:43:24,186
Because my dad did it to him.
732
00:43:27,731 --> 00:43:31,318
Your father sexually molested
your brother, Lyle?
733
00:43:31,318 --> 00:43:33,528
[Erik] Yes. He told him it was...
734
00:43:33,528 --> 00:43:37,115
Like, this is what the Spartans did.
It made you tough.
735
00:43:37,908 --> 00:43:40,452
I don't know how long he did it with Lyle.
736
00:43:40,952 --> 00:43:45,332
But I know that at some point,
Lyle told him to stop, and he did.
737
00:43:47,918 --> 00:43:52,047
And that time when it stopped,
I remember when that happened.
738
00:43:52,631 --> 00:43:54,424
I remember that time very vividly.
739
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:58,470
And why was that?
740
00:44:00,222 --> 00:44:03,475
Because that's when
my dad started doing it to me.
741
00:44:09,022 --> 00:44:10,315
[Leslie] Oh, Erik.
742
00:44:10,315 --> 00:44:12,401
[somber music playing]
743
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:15,028
[Leslie] Oh, sweetheart.
744
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,365
- [sniffles]
- It's okay.
745
00:44:18,865 --> 00:44:20,992
Thank you for telling me that.
746
00:44:22,285 --> 00:44:23,286
Thank you.
747
00:44:23,286 --> 00:44:24,871
[mysterious music playing]
748
00:44:24,871 --> 00:44:28,542
How could you even survive that? Tell me.
749
00:44:29,084 --> 00:44:31,044
[Erik] You just... you just do it.
750
00:44:31,545 --> 00:44:32,963
You just do what you have to.
751
00:44:32,963 --> 00:44:35,424
You avoid him, and you, um...
752
00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:39,594
You try to play along,
just so that it'll go faster.
753
00:44:39,594 --> 00:44:41,304
You get it over with.
754
00:44:41,304 --> 00:44:45,600
You sprinkle cinnamon onto his coffee,
or put it on his food, or...
755
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,686
Wait. Why... Why cinnamon?
756
00:44:48,228 --> 00:44:49,813
It just made the, um...
757
00:44:51,857 --> 00:44:53,650
It made the cum taste better.
758
00:44:56,653 --> 00:44:58,488
It didn't really work because...
759
00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:02,701
he started getting annoyed that
there was cinnamon on everything.
760
00:45:03,201 --> 00:45:07,706
And suddenly, he started putting
lemon juice on all of my food,
761
00:45:07,706 --> 00:45:10,250
just so that it would numb my taste buds...
762
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:11,543
Did that work?
763
00:45:11,543 --> 00:45:12,961
[Erik] Not... Not really.
764
00:45:13,545 --> 00:45:17,090
[sniffs] But I had to keep trying.
765
00:45:18,133 --> 00:45:22,763
Just to change the lives
that we were living.
766
00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:26,433
And... I knew at some point
767
00:45:26,433 --> 00:45:29,770
that I was going to be willing
to do anything,
768
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,106
just to make it all stop.
769
00:45:33,982 --> 00:45:35,984
[sad music playing]
770
00:45:36,693 --> 00:45:37,986
[sighs]
771
00:47:34,227 --> 00:47:35,478
[sad music ends]