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[woman] In the matter of the People
of the State of California
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v. Orenthal James Simpson,
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case number BA097211,
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we, the jury,
in the above entitled action,
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find the defendant,
Orenthal James Simpson,
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not guilty of the crime of murder
in violation of penal code section 187A,
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a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson,
a human being,
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as charged in count one
of the information.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[buzzer blares]
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[dramatic music ends]
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So what are you saying?
That we're fucked now?
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Because I gotta level with you,
I just don't see it that way.
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OJ is, like, the biggest fucking killer
of all time, right?
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And he got away with it.
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And the best part, Leslie,
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is that the guy didn't even have
to take the fucking stand--
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Lyle, they are out for blood.
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Garcetti cares about one thing, one thing
only, and that is his re-election.
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That is why they're trying to gut our case
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because they need a win
and they need it now.
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Fine, I understand that.
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Then you need to file a motion.
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Wow.
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This is even more of a reason
that we're not gonna bring on
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some shitty fucking public defender,
Leslie.
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Charles Gessler is the best in LA.
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[mocking] Oh, is he?
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Lyle, it's nice to finally meet.
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[mellow music playing]
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Come on in.
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[door opens]
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[Lyle] It's not happening.
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It's just a no.
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So I don't know what we need to do
to get this figured out.
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My preference would be
to have Jill back or call Cochran.
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I can't just call Cochran,
and you don't have any money.
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[chuckling] Leslie, do you know
how much money I was able to raise
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just this past week?
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Well, you know,
I'm glad you bring that up because...
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That's a great letterhead, by the way.
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"In helping me,
you're also voicing your support
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for so many other abused people."
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"We're all survivors together."
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"If you can help by pledging an amount
on the 15th of each month,
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a monthly pledge card
to the Lyle Menendez Defense Fund?!"
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How many times have I told you
to stop writing letters?
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Because they will be used against you,
and it is a terrible look!
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Says the woman making $4,000 a day
on Dateline blabbing about OJ,
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and attacking the same people
who are trying--
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- It's called a job, okay?
- Okay.
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While we're talking about money,
may I just mention
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that I am still here fighting
for your life pro bono.
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Did you order a new wig
and have it sent to the jail,
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and it cost $2,500?
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This is from the same guy
who did OJ's hair treatment.
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- So yes, I did.
- Lyle!
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I think we can all take a page
out of the fucking guy's book, okay?
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Because the guy
clearly had something fucking figured out!
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You know what he had figured out?
He had a fucking catchphrase!
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And I think that we would all benefit
from a catchphrase.
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And I think our catchphrase can be,
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"If you've been abused,
you cannot be accused."
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[Erik chuckles]
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- What? What the fuck is so funny, Erik?
- You are unbelievable.
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Okay, well, I'm sorry. That's my bad.
It's just my life is on the line.
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Yeah. Well, you sound like an idiot.
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Erik, do I need to remind you
why we're here in the first place?
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Because of you.
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You're the fucking idiot.
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And all you had to do
was keep your stupid, little mouth shut.
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- [whispering] Really?
- Mm-hmm.
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"Lyle Menendez, in his own words."
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- Fuck that crazy bitch.
- No.
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No. You don't get to do that anymore.
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Because you fucked us.
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We are fucked.
They have hours of you on tape!
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- I did not know she was recording me!
- And you sound insane!
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You sound insane. Do you realize
how fucking stupid that was?
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Then you go and write
all those crazy fucking letters
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asking everyone to lie for us?
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Who are you?!
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All I ever wanted growing up
was to be like you.
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But do you know
what people say about you now?
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They say that you look dead in the eyes.
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They say your eyes are black.
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They call you a psychopath.
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We were so close.
Lyle, we were almost free.
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Yeah, because of me.
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It was because of you
that we almost got out of here.
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But we didn't.
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And now we're fucked,
and it's all your fault!
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All we had to do was hang one more jury.
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We had to convince one more person
and we'd be out of here.
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But that's never going to happen now
because no one believes us.
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Lyle, everyone hates us.
Everyone wants us dead!
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And I'm really scared
because I don't want to die.
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And I don't want you to die.
And I hate what we did.
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I wish it never happened.
I wish I could take it back, but I can't.
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And now I'm stuck here in this hellhole.
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I'm thinking about it every day while you
run around like a fucking crazy person!
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The only thing I can do is try and
save us! Because it's all up to me now!
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And I don't know if I can get back up
there and do it again. I don't know.
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You better figure it the fuck out
'cause I'm not dying in here
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just 'cause you're a pathetic,
weak little bitch.
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[Leslie] Erik! Hey! Enough!
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Fuck! You fucked it up!
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- I should've fucking killed you too!
- There he is.
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- There's my brother. The killer.
- You f...
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Take this into the courtroom, please,
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because I'm ready
to get the fuck out of here.
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You f... [panting]
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[buzzer blares]
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Nice to see this again.
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- Take him out.
- Do your job.
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[seething] You...
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You...
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[man] So that is their strategy,
to put the parents on trial
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because the defense fails
logically, psychologically, and legally.
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It's a phony story that never took place.
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- Objection.
- [judge] Overruled.
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You won't be hearing
from Lyle Menendez during this trial
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because he wrote a book that is
more or less a glossary of all his lies.
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Objection.
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[judge] Overruled.
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So it will all come down to the testimony
of Erik Menendez, the killer,
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and whether you're going to believe him.
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Objection.
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Ms. Abramson, we're not doing this.
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- Ugh.
- Overruled. Let him speak.
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Thank you.
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[inhales]
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Ladies and gentlemen,
judge people by what they do.
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Erik Menendez can say
anything in the world,
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but remember
what Lyle and Erik Menendez did.
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[uneasy music playing]
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You sold Jose Menendez the Alfa Romeo
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that he purchased
for his son Lyle, correct?
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That's correct.
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Happy graduation, my son.
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[Lyle chuckles]
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- [Lyle] Really?
- [Jose] Yes.
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[whispering] Dad, this car
is a piece of shit.
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And what was the sticker price for this,
quote, "piece of shit"?
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- $32,000.
- Objection.
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What are you objecting to?
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That the price matters.
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Sit down, please.
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- Your Honor, may I approach?
- No, you may not.
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Lyle was really mad about the Alfa.
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I was like, "It's a really nice car."
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I can lean over
and touch the fucking passenger seat.
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This feels like a fucking clown car.
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- I feel like a fucking clown!
- Okay, okay, okay.
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I'm sorry. We'll get you a different one.
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We thought, your mother and I,
that this was the car for you.
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Well, you thought wrong! For fuck's sake.
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Let's wrap this up.
Sign the fucking papers.
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Thank you for buying me a piece of shit.
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[David] Craig, you're one of the
co-authors of Friends, aren't you?
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Not the hit TV show on NBC, by the way.
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This is an unproduced screenplay
you and Erik wrote.
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Correct.
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And to the best of your knowledge,
is the NBC show
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starring Jennifer Aniston and others
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about people who viciously murder
their parents in cold blood?
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Objection.
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He can answer.
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Uh... No, it's not.
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No. Because the screenplay Friends
that you and Erik wrote
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is about a character
named Hamilton Cromwell
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who murders his parents.
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Objection. Relevance.
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If I may. You can't object
to everything he says, Counsel.
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Craig...
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Erik confessed to you. Did he not?
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He did.
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But it's not the story
that they told Dr. Oziel.
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No.
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[David] Nor is it the same story they told
in this courtroom.
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No.
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What did Erik tell you?
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That they uh... they'd gone to the movies
and Erik went inside to get his fake ID.
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He didn't go in through the front door.
He went in through the living room window.
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[David] And did he say why?
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[Craig] Yeah, because those doors
were quieter,
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and he didn't want to wake them up.
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[uneasy music continues]
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[indistinct dialogue from TV]
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So they were asleep.
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Yeah. That's what he told me.
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Fuck.
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[Craig] And he also told me
that when he got back to the car,
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Lyle was holding the guns.
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[Lyle] You want to do it? Right now.
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Let's do it.
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Uh-huh.
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That was when they murdered
their sleeping parents.
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- Yes.
- [horn honking]
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Yes!
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Fuck!
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Lyle... We gotta change our fucking clothes.
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Look, there's blood!
How did I not fucking see that?
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[dog barking in distance]
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And do you believe
the murders were premeditated?
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- Objection. Strike that from the record.
- You're shouting, Counsel.
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Well, I'm sorry I'm shouting.
I'm angry, so my voice is loud.
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I don't care if you're angry.
You will control yourself in my courtroom.
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Mr. Cignarelli, are you familiar with
a film called The Billionaire Boys Club?
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Yeah. It's basically
what Lyle and Erik did,
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rich kids who killed their parents
for money.
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Objection.
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The court is going to hold you
in contempt.
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Well, I'm gonna hold the court
in contempt pretty soon
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because I am finding
your rulings astonishingly biased.
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Erik didn't just happen to see
that movie on TV, though, did he?
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No. No.
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Yeah, he knew about the story
way before it was a movie.
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I mean, we both did,
because our friend Brian...
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Well, it was like about his parents.
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So 14 months before he killed his parents,
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Erik heard the story of how your parents
were murdered, murdered for money.
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Well... yes. Correct.
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Brian, did Lyle Menendez
write you a letter from jail?
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Yeah. He... he wanted me to watch this movie
called At Close Range.
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[man coughs]
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[Lyle] "I need you to say that
you and me watched it with my dad,
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and that he said the movie was unrealistic
because the father would've killed the son
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as soon as the trouble started
and not waited,
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and that you were shocked
when he said that."
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"Then you say you always felt
my dad was a powerful person
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and that you never felt welcome."
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[judge] Please state your name.
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Erik Galen Menendez, M-E-N-E-N-D-E-Z.
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- Hi, Erik.
- [Leslie] Objection.
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I literally just said "hi."
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- Intimidation, Your Honor.
- Overruled.
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Erik, is it true you contemplated
using a crossbow to kill your parents,
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hunt them like animals?
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Well, we just, that was...
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00:12:34,671 --> 00:12:36,590
We could do it with a crossbow.
242
00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:38,842
[Lyle laughs]
243
00:12:39,968 --> 00:12:44,139
I mean, with your license suspended
and all of your fucking speeding tickets...
244
00:12:44,139 --> 00:12:46,934
That wouldn't be an issue
because we don't have to use an ID.
245
00:12:48,602 --> 00:12:52,105
When we were at the gun store and we
thought we wouldn't be able to get a gun,
246
00:12:52,105 --> 00:12:55,901
I just noticed that
there were the crossbows in the...
247
00:12:55,901 --> 00:13:00,155
And it was just a thought. It went out
of my mind, like, a second later.
248
00:13:00,155 --> 00:13:01,532
Reloading, though.
249
00:13:03,784 --> 00:13:05,369
Yeah, you'd have one shot.
250
00:13:05,369 --> 00:13:10,374
When you thought you couldn't get a gun
or when you'd already tried to get a gun?
251
00:13:11,041 --> 00:13:12,543
I... I don't remember.
252
00:13:12,543 --> 00:13:16,630
Well, because if you saw crossbows
at the place you were trying to get a gun,
253
00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:19,174
it means you weren't just thinking
about getting a gun,
254
00:13:19,174 --> 00:13:20,676
you'd already tried to get one.
255
00:13:20,676 --> 00:13:23,887
- I'll have to object to that relevance.
- Overruled.
256
00:13:24,972 --> 00:13:26,473
[David sighs]
257
00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:29,226
Were there any other weapons
you considered?
258
00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:31,311
What if we just use a knife?
259
00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:32,855
Objection. Relevance. Your Honor--
260
00:13:32,855 --> 00:13:35,065
[David] I'm trying
to establish premeditation.
261
00:13:35,065 --> 00:13:39,486
Your Honor, Lyle and Erik Menendez
ideated on, conspired about,
262
00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:41,780
meticulously planned
the murder of their parents.
263
00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:44,658
How, why, and when they planned it,
it's more than relevant.
264
00:13:44,658 --> 00:13:47,661
It is central to the State's interest
in this case.
265
00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:49,454
Correct. I'll allow it.
266
00:13:49,454 --> 00:13:51,081
- Mistrial.
- [David] Oh, mistrial.
267
00:13:51,081 --> 00:13:53,375
Leslie, Counsel, just stop.
268
00:13:53,375 --> 00:13:55,669
Your Honor, she wants to derail
this line of questioning
269
00:13:55,669 --> 00:13:57,963
because it proves special circumstances,
270
00:13:57,963 --> 00:14:00,591
making her clients eligible
for the death penalty.
271
00:14:00,591 --> 00:14:03,886
No. I would just like to be heard.
272
00:14:03,886 --> 00:14:05,846
- Ms. Abramson, stop it.
- Your Honor--
273
00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:08,724
[whispering] This is...
274
00:14:11,435 --> 00:14:14,229
Erik, when you purchased guns,
275
00:14:15,272 --> 00:14:18,901
is it true you initially bought birdshot
as ammunition?
276
00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:25,282
[inhales deeply] I don't think so.
I... I think--
277
00:14:25,282 --> 00:14:29,202
Quote... Your words. "We initially
bought birdshot as ammunition."
278
00:14:30,287 --> 00:14:32,331
Okay. Yes, I remember that.
279
00:14:32,331 --> 00:14:35,125
[David] And did you judge that
not to be strong enough?
280
00:14:36,084 --> 00:14:37,002
Strong enough?
281
00:14:37,002 --> 00:14:41,965
Did you go back and purchase buckshot
because buckshot is more lethal?
282
00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:44,843
- Yes.
- [David] Okay.
283
00:14:44,843 --> 00:14:51,308
And after you had fired
approximately 12 rounds of buckshot
284
00:14:51,308 --> 00:14:54,645
into the bodies and into the faces
of your mother and father--
285
00:14:54,645 --> 00:14:56,271
Objection. We dispute that number.
286
00:14:56,271 --> 00:14:58,649
- [David] I said "approximately."
- He said "approximately."
287
00:14:58,649 --> 00:15:02,653
- No love. No love in this courtroom.
- No, Counsel. No. No.
288
00:15:02,653 --> 00:15:06,657
If there's no love in this courtroom,
it is there and there.
289
00:15:06,657 --> 00:15:08,700
If there's no love in this courtroom,
290
00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:12,245
it's the two heartless murderers
who had no love for their parents.
291
00:15:12,245 --> 00:15:14,331
Because if you love your parents...
292
00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:18,335
you don't do this.
293
00:15:19,336 --> 00:15:21,338
[dramatic music playing]
294
00:15:22,047 --> 00:15:24,758
If it's a lack of love
you're feeling, Counsel,
295
00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:27,761
I think it's on that side of the table.
296
00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:32,724
Erik... [clears throat]
297
00:15:32,724 --> 00:15:36,520
...after you'd emptied two shotguns
into your mother and father,
298
00:15:37,229 --> 00:15:39,898
and Lyle came outside to reload,
299
00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:45,570
is it true you told Dr. Vicary that
you handed him the last shotgun round?
300
00:15:46,405 --> 00:15:48,657
- I don't know.
- [David] Okay. You don't know?
301
00:15:48,657 --> 00:15:50,242
I will quote you again.
302
00:15:50,242 --> 00:15:54,955
Quote, "Lyle came out, and the ammo was
rolling around in the trunk everywhere,
303
00:15:54,955 --> 00:15:57,290
so I handed the round to him."
304
00:15:57,833 --> 00:15:58,834
Did you say that?
305
00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:02,587
Yes.
306
00:16:02,587 --> 00:16:07,175
Erik, when you and Lyle were lying
to your family, to the press,
307
00:16:07,175 --> 00:16:11,513
saying you believed it was the Mafia
who killed your parents,
308
00:16:11,513 --> 00:16:13,432
you said something interesting.
309
00:16:13,432 --> 00:16:18,353
You said that you believed that the Mafia
had used shotguns to, quote...
310
00:16:20,731 --> 00:16:24,276
"make a mess,"
and quote, "send a message."
311
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:26,361
- Okay.
- [David] Okay.
312
00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:28,113
And by make a mess, you meant?
313
00:16:29,823 --> 00:16:30,782
Uh...
314
00:16:31,575 --> 00:16:33,160
Just that, uh...
315
00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,536
[clears throat]
316
00:16:35,662 --> 00:16:37,539
You know, the Mafia, they...
317
00:16:39,124 --> 00:16:40,959
shoot out people's kneecaps,
318
00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:43,253
and, uh, just all in all,
319
00:16:43,253 --> 00:16:44,838
they... [clears throat]
320
00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:48,425
...they, uh,
just make a mess of their victims.
321
00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:50,218
[David] But you did that.
322
00:16:50,886 --> 00:16:54,056
I mean, you and Lyle did that.
323
00:16:54,056 --> 00:16:59,728
You and Lyle shot out
your mother's kneecap.
324
00:17:00,228 --> 00:17:01,063
There it is.
325
00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,483
I mean, she was shot so many times, Erik.
326
00:17:05,317 --> 00:17:07,277
So many times that her skeleton,
327
00:17:07,277 --> 00:17:10,322
quote, "effectively lost
all structural integrity."
328
00:17:10,322 --> 00:17:12,157
- [Leslie] Objection.
- [judge] Overruled.
329
00:17:13,075 --> 00:17:14,743
- Okay.
- [David] Okay?
330
00:17:15,911 --> 00:17:19,664
- [laughs] Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you did that.
- I've already testified to that.
331
00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:23,960
Yeah, but what I'm saying is
you planned to do it like that. Right?
332
00:17:24,586 --> 00:17:28,090
You planned to make it look
like the Mafia did it.
333
00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:29,966
You bought shotguns, you bought buckshot.
334
00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:35,222
You shot her through the knee.
You shot them multiple, multiple times.
335
00:17:35,222 --> 00:17:37,557
You planned to make it look
like the Mafia did it.
336
00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:41,311
You didn't just come up with that
in the heat of the moment.
337
00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:43,438
You planned it.
338
00:17:45,023 --> 00:17:48,276
In legal terms,
that's called "lying in wait."
339
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:55,117
I understand what you're, uh,
getting at here, Mr. Conn,
340
00:17:55,117 --> 00:17:57,994
but, uh, we... we didn't plan anything.
341
00:17:59,204 --> 00:18:02,457
We really didn't. We were just trying
to be prepared to defend ourselves
342
00:18:02,457 --> 00:18:05,127
because when I was growing up... [inhales]
343
00:18:05,127 --> 00:18:06,711
...my dad always told me
344
00:18:06,711 --> 00:18:10,090
that if I ever told anybody
what was going on between us,
345
00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:11,299
that he would kill me.
346
00:18:11,883 --> 00:18:13,260
And then I told Lyle.
347
00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:16,012
And when Lyle confronted my dad about it,
I believed him.
348
00:18:16,012 --> 00:18:19,307
I thought he was gonna...
I thought he was gonna kill us. I didn't--
349
00:18:19,307 --> 00:18:21,852
That preparation you describe...
350
00:18:23,186 --> 00:18:24,729
that's premeditation, Erik.
351
00:18:25,313 --> 00:18:29,943
The way you did it proves
that it was a premeditated double murder.
352
00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:32,362
Have you ever been raped
by your father, Mr. Conn?
353
00:18:32,362 --> 00:18:34,114
- Irrelevant.
- [Leslie] Objection!
354
00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:37,534
We'll get to the lie that you were
sexually abused by your parents.
355
00:18:37,534 --> 00:18:39,911
- Objection! [exhales]
- [judge] Overruled.
356
00:18:39,911 --> 00:18:42,622
Or we can get to it now, Your Honor.
357
00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:44,499
Should we talk pool repairman?
358
00:18:44,499 --> 00:18:47,127
There are two days in my life
I'll never forget.
359
00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:48,962
The day JFK was shot,
360
00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:52,841
and the day I saw Erik and Lyle Menendez
talking that way to their parents.
361
00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:55,093
Why're you acting like that?
I don't understand.
362
00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:57,512
Because you're a fucking faggot, Dad!
363
00:18:57,512 --> 00:18:58,847
- [Erik] Exactly.
- [Kitty] Lyle!
364
00:18:58,847 --> 00:19:01,141
- [Erik] Don't defend him, Mom.
- I told you to shut up.
365
00:19:01,141 --> 00:19:03,393
[David] And just to reiterate,
what day was this?
366
00:19:03,393 --> 00:19:04,561
Saturday.
367
00:19:04,561 --> 00:19:06,938
Saturday, the day before the murders.
368
00:19:06,938 --> 00:19:09,816
Did Lyle and Erik seem scared
of their parents?
369
00:19:10,567 --> 00:19:13,778
No. Their parents were scared of them.
370
00:19:16,031 --> 00:19:20,535
That day on the boat, did Lyle and Erik
seem scared of their parents?
371
00:19:20,535 --> 00:19:21,494
[man] Not at all.
372
00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:25,540
They found out the boat was
used in the movie Tequila Sunrise,
373
00:19:25,540 --> 00:19:27,125
and they really liked that.
374
00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:30,712
Dude, I fucking love that movie.
I got to third base watching that movie.
375
00:19:30,712 --> 00:19:32,923
- Yeah, it's Michelle Pfeiffer.
- Yeah.
376
00:19:32,923 --> 00:19:35,300
- She's so fucking elegant.
- Smoke show.
377
00:19:36,051 --> 00:19:40,680
When you heard Jose and Kitty Menendez
had been shot to death in their house,
378
00:19:41,181 --> 00:19:43,808
can you tell the court
what your first thought was?
379
00:19:44,643 --> 00:19:46,978
Oh yeah. It was that the boys did it.
380
00:19:49,231 --> 00:19:50,440
Thank you.
381
00:19:52,234 --> 00:19:55,654
And you lived in the Menendez home
five days a week, correct?
382
00:19:55,654 --> 00:19:57,447
- Monday through Friday?
- Yes.
383
00:19:57,447 --> 00:19:59,699
- And you lived in the house?
- [Flor] Yes.
384
00:19:59,699 --> 00:20:02,911
My bedroom was in the main house
by the kitchen.
385
00:20:02,911 --> 00:20:07,249
Erik has testified it was a violent home,
that they were always fighting.
386
00:20:07,249 --> 00:20:10,335
That the parents hit them
and screamed at them. Yes?
387
00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:13,880
No. I never heard any shouting.
388
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,385
But what about fighting? Erik said that
Jose and Kitty were always fighting.
389
00:20:18,969 --> 00:20:22,347
No. I never heard fighting, no shouting.
390
00:20:24,015 --> 00:20:25,558
They were just very messy.
391
00:20:27,852 --> 00:20:31,189
You worked for Jose Menendez
for many years. Um...
392
00:20:31,189 --> 00:20:33,400
You'd have seen him interact
with his boys.
393
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,193
Yes, since they were young.
394
00:20:35,193 --> 00:20:39,447
And did you ever see him hit them
or threaten them or shout at them?
395
00:20:39,447 --> 00:20:41,491
Never. Not once.
396
00:20:41,491 --> 00:20:45,453
Jose was not an angry man.
I never saw him angry.
397
00:20:48,415 --> 00:20:52,210
She loved those boys.
She would do anything for them.
398
00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:56,089
She gave up everything for them.
399
00:20:57,299 --> 00:21:02,804
And for them to accuse her of the things
that they're saying that she did...
400
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,518
You're going to burn in hell for that,
boys. You're going to burn in hell.
401
00:21:08,518 --> 00:21:10,312
- Objection.
- [judge] Overruled.
402
00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:13,106
This...
403
00:21:14,816 --> 00:21:19,029
This is their only piece of evidence
that abuse took place.
404
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:20,822
This is a doctor's report
405
00:21:20,822 --> 00:21:25,035
that one time Erik Menendez got a bruise
in the back of his throat.
406
00:21:25,035 --> 00:21:26,661
- Objection.
- [judge] Overruled.
407
00:21:26,661 --> 00:21:31,249
A bruise that their own witness admitted
is commonly seen in children.
408
00:21:35,253 --> 00:21:36,671
[squeaking, thud]
409
00:21:36,671 --> 00:21:37,797
Objection.
410
00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:38,882
Overruled.
411
00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:42,218
Do you remember... Do you remember
this book, ladies and gentlemen?
412
00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:47,015
{\an8}What if this is where
their story came from?
413
00:21:48,308 --> 00:21:49,976
It's not a huge leap to take
414
00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:56,358
because the author of this book
advised the defense in the previous trial.
415
00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:59,944
Your Honor, none of that is true.
416
00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:05,700
There is not a shred of evidence
that any of that ever happened.
417
00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:07,869
I demand a mistrial.
418
00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:10,080
No. Sit down.
419
00:22:10,663 --> 00:22:11,956
[breathing shakily]
420
00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:12,999
Your Honor.
421
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:16,294
Ms. Abramson, sit down. Now.
422
00:22:17,629 --> 00:22:18,505
Counsel.
423
00:22:19,881 --> 00:22:21,007
Thank you, Your Honor.
424
00:22:24,427 --> 00:22:26,429
It's all in here, ladies and gentlemen.
425
00:22:26,429 --> 00:22:30,141
Down to how you should wear
a yellow sweater on the stand
426
00:22:30,141 --> 00:22:31,309
to seem innocent.
427
00:22:31,893 --> 00:22:35,814
Eight instances of alleged abuse
are exactly the same as in this book.
428
00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:39,401
How many hours did they spend
confessing to Dr. Oziel?
429
00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:43,780
They mentioned every other excuse.
Why didn't they mention sexual abuse then?
430
00:22:44,739 --> 00:22:46,783
When Erik confessed
to his best friend Craig
431
00:22:46,783 --> 00:22:49,702
that they were the ones
who killed their parents,
432
00:22:49,702 --> 00:22:52,038
why didn't he mention the reason
they killed them,
433
00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:54,999
this alleged sexual abuse
that stretched back years and years?
434
00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:57,377
Why did they never mention it?
435
00:22:58,545 --> 00:23:00,338
Because it never happened.
436
00:23:01,923 --> 00:23:06,428
Because it didn't even occur to them
to say it
437
00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:09,681
until they met
that woman right over there.
438
00:23:09,681 --> 00:23:11,433
- Objection.
- [judge] Overruled.
439
00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:15,854
That woman whose last high-profile
murderer client got off.
440
00:23:15,854 --> 00:23:18,231
How? The abuse excuse.
441
00:23:18,857 --> 00:23:21,443
She basically pioneered it,
ladies and gentlemen.
442
00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:24,696
So why not try to give it a shot here?
Here's how it works.
443
00:23:24,696 --> 00:23:26,865
You take a few facts, okay?
444
00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:31,453
Jose Menendez hit Lyle in the arm once.
There's this popsicle injury.
445
00:23:31,453 --> 00:23:35,874
And you weave that
into a story so horrific
446
00:23:35,874 --> 00:23:37,709
it's almost impossible to believe.
447
00:23:38,209 --> 00:23:40,378
Don't feel badly if you don't believe it.
448
00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:44,090
Ladies and gentlemen,
it is literally impossible to believe.
449
00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:46,509
And isn't it convenient
450
00:23:46,509 --> 00:23:50,513
that the only two people who could
corroborate Leslie Abramson's story
451
00:23:50,513 --> 00:23:51,848
are dead in the ground?
452
00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,101
Oh, and they're paying her.
453
00:23:56,561 --> 00:23:57,937
Isn't that incredible?
454
00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:03,359
Dead Jose and dead Kitty Menendez
have paid Leslie Abramson
455
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,694
close to a million dollars.
456
00:24:04,694 --> 00:24:06,196
A million dollars
457
00:24:06,196 --> 00:24:09,908
to write the most ridiculous story
ever heard in a courtroom.
458
00:24:09,908 --> 00:24:11,993
But it's not going to work this time.
459
00:24:12,744 --> 00:24:16,831
It's not going to work this time
because even if their story was true,
460
00:24:16,831 --> 00:24:20,251
they are still guilty
of first-degree murder.
461
00:24:20,877 --> 00:24:23,338
They conspired. They were lying in wait.
462
00:24:23,338 --> 00:24:27,342
They committed
a premeditated multiple murder.
463
00:24:27,842 --> 00:24:32,805
The law, ladies and gentlemen, the law
demands that you find them guilty.
464
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,391
And the law demands
that they be put to death.
465
00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:39,062
Ladies and gentlemen,
some of you may have been abused.
466
00:24:40,104 --> 00:24:43,983
By a friend, a family member, a parent,
sexually or otherwise.
467
00:24:44,734 --> 00:24:48,112
Unfortunately, it happens
to millions of people all over the world.
468
00:24:50,198 --> 00:24:55,411
What is not common
is murdering people with shotguns.
469
00:24:58,748 --> 00:25:05,004
What is not common is placing a shotgun
on the crown of your father's head
470
00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,090
and pulling the trigger.
471
00:25:08,841 --> 00:25:14,138
What is not common is placing a shotgun
to the cheek of your mother,
472
00:25:14,806 --> 00:25:16,641
whose knee you shot out,
473
00:25:16,641 --> 00:25:20,144
whose fingers you've blown off
and pulling the trigger.
474
00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:22,230
Your Honor,
would the court ask Ms. Abramson
475
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:24,983
to stop playing hangman with her client?
476
00:25:27,235 --> 00:25:30,613
Counsel, will you please stop playing
hangman with your client?
477
00:25:30,613 --> 00:25:32,740
[uneasy music playing]
478
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:55,763
I would like to note
that it is not my job to prove motive.
479
00:25:56,931 --> 00:25:57,890
But...
480
00:25:59,976 --> 00:26:02,145
it's pretty clear what the motive is here.
481
00:26:04,105 --> 00:26:05,106
It's money.
482
00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:13,406
Lyle stated that his biggest goal in life
was to have a Rolex.
483
00:26:13,406 --> 00:26:15,158
[Lyle] And this one.
484
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:17,619
[David] Erik's never had a job.
485
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,537
Lyle's had two jobs.
486
00:26:19,537 --> 00:26:21,331
He delivered pizza for one day,
487
00:26:21,331 --> 00:26:25,084
and he did an internship
at his dad's company.
488
00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:29,672
Their father told them
that he was taking them out of the will.
489
00:26:29,672 --> 00:26:32,592
So good luck, kids. You are on your own.
490
00:26:33,885 --> 00:26:35,970
They had to kill him before that happened.
491
00:26:36,679 --> 00:26:38,514
- [Leslie] Objection.
- Overruled.
492
00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:42,226
Lyle and Erik drove around Beverly Hills
with a safe.
493
00:26:42,226 --> 00:26:45,229
Erik slept with a safe. Who does that?
494
00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:50,401
I guess people who love money.
495
00:26:50,401 --> 00:26:53,655
Lyle opened that safe
when he was all alone.
496
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:55,823
Was the new will in there?
497
00:26:55,823 --> 00:26:58,576
The one that cut him and Erik
out of the will?
498
00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:02,413
We know that Erik told Craig Cignarelli
499
00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:07,418
that his father had 75 to 90 million
dollars in a Swiss bank account.
500
00:27:07,418 --> 00:27:10,588
75 to 90 million dollars.
501
00:27:10,588 --> 00:27:14,175
In the weeks and months
after they murdered their parents,
502
00:27:14,175 --> 00:27:17,845
they spent, in a hurry, $700,000.
503
00:27:17,845 --> 00:27:21,808
The Jeep, the Porsche, the gambling.
They lived at the Hotel Bel-Air.
504
00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:28,231
And all they had to do to get that money
was for their father to be gone.
505
00:27:28,231 --> 00:27:30,650
All they had to do was one little murder
506
00:27:32,193 --> 00:27:34,362
and they could have
all the money in the world.
507
00:27:37,699 --> 00:27:40,910
Except if... if Mom is still alive,
they got nothing.
508
00:27:41,828 --> 00:27:42,662
So...
509
00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:45,206
Mom had to go.
510
00:27:45,873 --> 00:27:47,041
Mom had to go too.
511
00:27:49,794 --> 00:27:51,546
[uneasy music ends]
512
00:27:52,046 --> 00:27:57,802
Ladies and gentlemen, the defendants
and their legal team are guilty.
513
00:27:57,802 --> 00:28:00,722
Not just of the crime
of which they are accused,
514
00:28:00,722 --> 00:28:03,391
but of something even more sinister.
515
00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:09,355
They're guilty of exploiting the trauma
of real sexual abuse victims everywhere
516
00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:12,483
and trying to use it
to get away with murder.
517
00:28:13,443 --> 00:28:19,282
They're guilty of taking the memories of
the good, decent, loving mother and father
518
00:28:19,282 --> 00:28:22,160
whom they killed
and dragging those memories
519
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,289
through a putrid cesspool
of the ghastliest lies ever concocted.
520
00:28:26,289 --> 00:28:30,626
If there is a crime as heinous
as the murders they committed,
521
00:28:30,626 --> 00:28:31,919
it just may be that.
522
00:28:33,004 --> 00:28:35,256
Jose and Kitty Menendez were sleeping.
523
00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:36,632
[dramatic music playing]
524
00:28:36,632 --> 00:28:37,884
They were sleeping.
525
00:28:38,676 --> 00:28:42,764
So they couldn't defend themselves
against the sons who executed them.
526
00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:45,725
They can't defend themselves now
527
00:28:45,725 --> 00:28:48,770
against the lies those sons dreamed up
528
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:51,606
to try to escape the consequences
of their actions.
529
00:28:52,607 --> 00:28:57,361
But make no mistake,
Jose and Kitty are calling to you
530
00:28:57,361 --> 00:29:00,114
from beyond the grave to defend them now.
531
00:29:00,948 --> 00:29:04,035
You, ladies and gentlemen,
have that power.
532
00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:09,457
You have the power to defend them now.
You have the power to avenge them!
533
00:29:14,462 --> 00:29:15,546
Avenge them.
534
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:19,258
[dramatic music ends]
535
00:29:19,842 --> 00:29:22,261
[Joyce] Do you still keep in touch
with the Goldman family?
536
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,515
I do. Kim, especially.
537
00:29:26,182 --> 00:29:30,353
Needless to say, they're still devastated.
538
00:29:30,353 --> 00:29:34,190
To think that O.J. Simpson is a free man
539
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:37,860
despite the overwhelming evidence
against him.
540
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:40,822
But that's justice in America for you.
541
00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:44,116
Whether it's the race card
or the abuse excuse,
542
00:29:44,116 --> 00:29:48,287
if you've got a defense team
that knows how to game the system,
543
00:29:48,287 --> 00:29:50,206
you can get away with anything.
544
00:29:50,206 --> 00:29:52,667
So, no plans to write about it?
545
00:29:52,667 --> 00:29:57,171
None. I'm actually leaving for Connecticut
next week to finish my book.
546
00:29:57,171 --> 00:29:59,549
Crown's been breathing down my neck.
547
00:29:59,549 --> 00:30:01,884
Come on, Nick. You can't leave LA now.
548
00:30:01,884 --> 00:30:03,135
[chuckles]
549
00:30:05,054 --> 00:30:10,643
If I'm being honest,
I'm a little over the Menendez boys.
550
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:14,021
And I think so is the rest of the country.
551
00:30:14,021 --> 00:30:19,151
In the pantheon of celebrity
murder trials, they're has-beens.
552
00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:20,820
The culture's moved on.
553
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:24,907
And not to be catty,
but have you seen them lately?
554
00:30:24,907 --> 00:30:29,245
They've lost their luster,
not to mention most of their groupies.
555
00:30:29,245 --> 00:30:35,543
However, I did hear that Lyle's in
a rather serious, committed relationship.
556
00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:37,628
[mysterious music playing]
557
00:30:38,379 --> 00:30:40,715
[Dominick] Her name's Anna Eriksson.
558
00:30:40,715 --> 00:30:43,968
- [mouthing] I love you.
- [Dominick] It started off as pen pals,
559
00:30:43,968 --> 00:30:50,016
but now it seems Prince Lyle and
his sweet Rapunzel are very much in love.
560
00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:55,021
And, rumor has it, wedding bells
could be in their near future.
561
00:30:55,021 --> 00:30:58,232
And what about Erik? Any news on him?
562
00:30:58,232 --> 00:30:59,609
Ah!
563
00:30:59,609 --> 00:31:01,235
The Hurt Man.
564
00:31:01,235 --> 00:31:04,906
Sounds like Erik's been having
a rough time of late.
565
00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:06,866
[indistinct chatter]
566
00:31:07,366 --> 00:31:09,911
Hey, give me back my book, please.
567
00:31:09,911 --> 00:31:12,914
- [chuckles] I didn't take your book.
- Yeah, you did.
568
00:31:12,914 --> 00:31:15,291
I saw you take it. Give it back to me.
569
00:31:15,791 --> 00:31:18,169
I said, I didn't take your fucking book!
570
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:20,254
[tense music playing]
571
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,679
I said, give me back my book!
572
00:31:28,679 --> 00:31:29,680
[door slams closed]
573
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,768
[Dominick] He's been thrown in the hole
for several breaches of conduct,
574
00:31:33,768 --> 00:31:39,106
fights with inmates, angry outbursts,
another alleged escape plan.
575
00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:44,487
It's obvious he's feeling more on edge
during this second trial than the first.
576
00:31:44,487 --> 00:31:46,489
Does he still have the same girlfriend?
577
00:31:47,073 --> 00:31:49,283
Last I heard, yes. Tammi.
578
00:31:49,283 --> 00:31:50,952
She still lives in Minnesota,
579
00:31:50,952 --> 00:31:53,996
and apparently,
they write each other all the time.
580
00:31:53,996 --> 00:31:57,083
[Erik] "To my dearest Tammi,
wishing you 300 days of love."
581
00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:59,585
"We may be separated
by thousands of miles,
582
00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:01,587
but I feel you near to my heart."
583
00:32:01,587 --> 00:32:04,674
So, do you think he and Lyle
will be found guilty this time?
584
00:32:06,092 --> 00:32:07,218
Who's to say?
585
00:32:08,719 --> 00:32:13,307
But after Rodney King, the riots, OJ,
586
00:32:14,308 --> 00:32:19,689
I don't think this town could survive
another gross injustice.
587
00:32:19,689 --> 00:32:24,151
Which may mean that
after nearly seven years, two trials,
588
00:32:24,151 --> 00:32:26,696
and countless legal maneuverings,
589
00:32:26,696 --> 00:32:29,824
this could be the end of the road
for Erik and Lyle,
590
00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:34,245
and they'll finally face
the reckoning they deserve.
591
00:32:34,745 --> 00:32:38,416
So then, maybe,
at least in the Menendez case,
592
00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:41,419
we'll hopefully
see some justice after all.
593
00:32:41,419 --> 00:32:42,753
[exhales]
594
00:32:45,172 --> 00:32:49,093
If I still believed in hope,
595
00:32:50,469 --> 00:32:52,096
I'd certainly hope so.
596
00:32:52,596 --> 00:32:56,058
The jury has reached a verdict.
Defendants, please rise.
597
00:33:01,188 --> 00:33:04,692
We, the jury, find the defendant,
Joseph Lyle Menendez,
598
00:33:04,692 --> 00:33:06,736
guilty of murder in the first degree
599
00:33:06,736 --> 00:33:09,947
for the murders of Jose Menendez
and Mary Louise Menendez.
600
00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:13,284
We further find
the special circumstance allegation
601
00:33:13,284 --> 00:33:15,786
that the defendant, Eric Galen Menendez,
602
00:33:15,786 --> 00:33:19,582
intentionally killed the victims
while lying in wait to be true.
603
00:33:20,082 --> 00:33:21,876
[tense music continues]
604
00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:25,921
[judge] Members of the jury,
is this your verdict?
605
00:33:25,921 --> 00:33:27,840
Say you one, say you all?
606
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,883
[all] Yes.
607
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,718
[smacks lips]
608
00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:34,555
At this time, court will recess
till Monday morning at 8:30
609
00:33:34,555 --> 00:33:36,932
when we will begin the penalty phase.
610
00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:41,520
And since both defendants have
been found guilty of first-degree murder
611
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,857
with special circumstances,
under California law,
612
00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:48,152
the jury is only allowed to consider
two sentencing options.
613
00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:51,113
Life without parole or death.
614
00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:54,158
Court is adjourned.
615
00:33:54,158 --> 00:33:55,951
[gavel bangs and echoes]
616
00:33:55,951 --> 00:34:00,039
Oh, don't give me that crap. Those shits
deserve to die and you know it.
617
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,333
Leigh, we understand how you feel.
618
00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:06,337
And trust me, I don't disagree with you,
but you have to let her speak.
619
00:34:06,337 --> 00:34:09,548
Well, I'm getting sick of it.
But fine, Mary, go ahead.
620
00:34:11,008 --> 00:34:14,011
I think these boys were abused
their entire lives.
621
00:34:14,011 --> 00:34:16,138
- Horseshit.
- How can you say that?
622
00:34:16,138 --> 00:34:18,182
Because it never happened.
623
00:34:18,182 --> 00:34:20,351
But maybe it did.
624
00:34:21,060 --> 00:34:23,187
Did you hear their family? Their cousins?
625
00:34:23,187 --> 00:34:26,482
Oh, come on.
They paid them to say what they said.
626
00:34:26,482 --> 00:34:30,820
You can't prove that. That poor boy,
Andy, how can you say that about him?
627
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:32,905
Because he's a liar.
628
00:34:32,905 --> 00:34:35,699
If Andy cared so much
about his poor little cousin,
629
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,494
why didn't he say something
about it years ago?
630
00:34:39,411 --> 00:34:42,373
He was a child, and he was scared.
631
00:34:42,373 --> 00:34:46,252
And what about those horrible
pornographic photos of the boys?
632
00:34:46,252 --> 00:34:49,505
Oh, please.
They took those photos themselves.
633
00:34:49,505 --> 00:34:51,090
How can you be so stupid?
634
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:54,426
You saw the whole rest of the roll.
They were all taken by kids.
635
00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:56,345
But you don't know that Jose--
636
00:34:56,345 --> 00:35:01,642
If Jose was such a pedophile,
why were there only two photos, huh?
637
00:35:01,642 --> 00:35:03,102
Where were the rest of them?
638
00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:05,312
And while we're on the photos, Andrew,
639
00:35:05,312 --> 00:35:08,232
let me see the one
of the boys sitting on Jose's lap.
640
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:11,902
You really think this is sexual abuse?
641
00:35:11,902 --> 00:35:14,864
Because where I come from,
we call it a Christmas card.
642
00:35:14,864 --> 00:35:17,032
- Okay, we're gonna have to move--
- No. No!
643
00:35:17,032 --> 00:35:21,203
Do you really want me to believe
that Erik, the star athlete,
644
00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:25,583
let his father rape him all the way
up till a week before the murder?
645
00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:30,379
And then all that junk about attacking him
with some Rambo knife?
646
00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:31,505
It's a load of shit.
647
00:35:31,505 --> 00:35:35,634
And if it was the truth, then he should've
just run away or told the cops.
648
00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:39,346
Leigh, he could have been too scared
to get the police involved.
649
00:35:39,346 --> 00:35:43,184
Ugh! You know what? It's like you were
born under a rock or something.
650
00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:44,810
You saw Erik on the stand.
651
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:47,855
Nothing he said made any sense.
None of it!
652
00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:51,108
All he did was lie. It was all lies.
653
00:35:51,108 --> 00:35:53,611
The pins and the toothbrushes.
654
00:35:53,611 --> 00:35:56,906
And don't even get me started
on that creep in the wig.
655
00:35:56,906 --> 00:35:59,867
God only knows why he didn't testify.
656
00:36:00,451 --> 00:36:02,119
Did you hear him on the tape
657
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:05,414
talking about missing his parents
that he murdered?
658
00:36:05,414 --> 00:36:07,708
Like missing his dog?
659
00:36:07,708 --> 00:36:09,084
His dog?!
660
00:36:09,752 --> 00:36:14,006
Jesus Christ! I think it's the coldest
thing I've ever heard anyone say.
661
00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:15,633
Fucking psycho!
662
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,303
You expect me to have sympathy?
And what about that poor mother?
663
00:36:19,887 --> 00:36:20,971
It makes me sick.
664
00:36:20,971 --> 00:36:23,307
Then they keep talking
about how scared they were.
665
00:36:23,307 --> 00:36:26,268
If they were so scared,
why didn't they run away?
666
00:36:26,268 --> 00:36:28,520
That's what you do when you're scared.
667
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,856
But that's not what they did.
They ran towards it.
668
00:36:30,856 --> 00:36:35,110
They ran towards the very thing
that they say they were so scared of.
669
00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:38,030
It is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
670
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:41,158
Then they come in here
with some insane story
671
00:36:41,158 --> 00:36:44,370
about Greek warriors and stuffed animals
672
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:48,540
and penis blisters
and shitting in plastic Tupperware.
673
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:50,876
And you expect me to believe a word of it?
674
00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:53,671
Well, I don't! And I never will.
675
00:36:53,671 --> 00:36:57,299
Because they're evil little monsters
and they deserve to die.
676
00:36:57,299 --> 00:37:00,761
And I will not stop until you all
get your heads out of your asses
677
00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:02,429
and put them to death.
678
00:37:04,807 --> 00:37:06,392
You okay, Leigh? Oh my God.
679
00:37:06,392 --> 00:37:08,018
- [Andrew] Leigh!
- [Lesley] Oh my God.
680
00:37:08,811 --> 00:37:09,812
Someone get some help.
681
00:37:10,521 --> 00:37:13,065
Oh my God!
Somebody get some help right now!
682
00:37:13,065 --> 00:37:16,360
Oh my God! Everyone back up!
Somebody help us, please!
683
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,070
[tense music ends]
684
00:37:18,070 --> 00:37:22,283
Um... I gotta admit,
I'm pretty nervous about being here.
685
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:26,078
It's crazy how some things work out.
[chuckles]
686
00:37:26,078 --> 00:37:29,373
I know we haven't spoken much
since I was just an alternate,
687
00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:35,004
but I've spent the last few weeks
trying to figure out
688
00:37:35,004 --> 00:37:38,549
what I would do if I had to decide
between life and death.
689
00:37:38,549 --> 00:37:41,176
And, um... now here I am.
690
00:37:42,386 --> 00:37:47,349
We never heard anyone say they were
violent or they got in any fights.
691
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:49,977
All I heard about was how good they were.
692
00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:53,355
All those coaches and teachers.
693
00:37:53,355 --> 00:37:56,275
I... I couldn't believe
how much they all cared about them.
694
00:37:57,693 --> 00:38:00,779
And I kept thinking about their relatives.
695
00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:03,115
Talking about how much they loved them.
696
00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:05,034
Fighting for their lives.
697
00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:08,329
That's gotta mean something.
698
00:38:09,496 --> 00:38:11,081
[somber music playing]
699
00:38:11,081 --> 00:38:13,751
[Bruce] Look, I honestly don't know
what to believe.
700
00:38:14,251 --> 00:38:18,297
But I know if I were in their position
701
00:38:18,297 --> 00:38:21,216
and lived through
what they said they lived through...
702
00:38:21,216 --> 00:38:22,926
[handcuffs clanking]
703
00:38:22,926 --> 00:38:25,179
...I probably would've done the same thing.
704
00:38:25,721 --> 00:38:27,723
I've definitely snapped before.
705
00:38:27,723 --> 00:38:30,976
I never killed anyone,
but I've definitely snapped.
706
00:38:30,976 --> 00:38:34,063
And I know we're never gonna know
what really happened in that family,
707
00:38:34,063 --> 00:38:39,610
but if there's even the slightest chance
that what they said is true...
708
00:38:42,696 --> 00:38:44,114
I'll tell you right now,
709
00:38:44,948 --> 00:38:47,576
I'm not gonna be the one responsible
for taking their lives
710
00:38:47,576 --> 00:38:49,912
because I think
that would be a huge mistake.
711
00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:54,917
And when the time comes and we vote...
712
00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:59,588
I hope we all think about that.
713
00:39:00,464 --> 00:39:03,133
And I hope we make a decision
we can live with
714
00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:05,302
just like they did that night.
715
00:39:06,887 --> 00:39:09,890
Because we're gonna have to live with it
for the rest of our lives.
716
00:39:10,391 --> 00:39:12,393
[somber music continues]
717
00:39:17,523 --> 00:39:18,482
[Lyle] Hey.
718
00:39:21,527 --> 00:39:22,444
What?
719
00:39:22,444 --> 00:39:23,779
[door opening]
720
00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:25,989
[guard] They're ready for you.
721
00:39:44,758 --> 00:39:45,843
[kisses]
722
00:39:47,177 --> 00:39:48,387
Ready?
723
00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:03,485
{\an8}Earlier, a jury recommended
that Lyle and Eric Menendez
724
00:40:03,485 --> 00:40:06,488
{\an8}be sentenced to two consecutive life terms
725
00:40:06,488 --> 00:40:10,617
{\an8}for the brutal slaying of their parents,
Jose and Kitty Menendez.
726
00:40:10,617 --> 00:40:13,328
{\an8}The jury could have recommended
the death penalty,
727
00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:15,664
{\an8}but after three days of deliberation,
728
00:40:15,664 --> 00:40:19,001
{\an8}they opted to send the brothers to prison
for the rest of their lives
729
00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:21,295
with no chance of parole.
730
00:40:21,295 --> 00:40:24,339
Mr. Conn, are you disappointed the jury
didn't recommend the death penalty?
731
00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:26,216
I think the jury did an excellent job.
732
00:40:26,216 --> 00:40:27,885
We can all rest easier tonight knowing
733
00:40:27,885 --> 00:40:30,262
that Lyle and Erik Menendez
will never be free men
734
00:40:30,262 --> 00:40:32,264
and that they'll both die in prison.
735
00:40:32,264 --> 00:40:36,268
Honestly, I feel a sense
of enormous relief.
736
00:40:36,268 --> 00:40:37,352
[man] Is it a win?
737
00:40:38,854 --> 00:40:40,314
Man, what's a win?
738
00:40:40,314 --> 00:40:43,108
You know, they're gonna spend
the rest of their lives in prison,
739
00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:44,318
which is an awful place.
740
00:40:44,318 --> 00:40:48,489
It's better than watching them be strapped
into a gurney at San Quentin
741
00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:51,700
as the State executes them
by lethal injection.
742
00:40:52,868 --> 00:40:56,205
They are two tremendous human beings,
743
00:40:56,205 --> 00:41:00,250
and I feel confident
that they will find a way
744
00:41:00,250 --> 00:41:03,337
to positively contribute to society
from prison.
745
00:41:03,337 --> 00:41:06,590
And if they do have to spend
their lives in prison,
746
00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:08,550
at least they won't be alone.
747
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:10,135
They will have each other.
748
00:41:10,677 --> 00:41:12,679
[indistinct chatter]
749
00:41:15,057 --> 00:41:19,102
Les, I know what you're up to,
trying to separate the boys.
750
00:41:19,102 --> 00:41:21,730
It's cruel. It's punitive.
751
00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:24,149
Family members stay together.
752
00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:27,903
Family members who conspired to get out
of the murders they committed together?
753
00:41:27,903 --> 00:41:28,862
Ugh! Please.
754
00:41:28,862 --> 00:41:31,740
God knows what they'd cook up
if they lived in the same prison
755
00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:33,116
for the rest of their lives.
756
00:41:33,116 --> 00:41:35,702
You know who I was thinking about
the other day?
757
00:41:35,702 --> 00:41:42,584
Every client I have ever had for 26 years.
758
00:41:42,584 --> 00:41:47,839
Everyone I have acquitted
who is walking around Los Angeles.
759
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:49,758
And you wanna know what I realized?
760
00:41:49,758 --> 00:41:51,635
Is that Erik and Lyle Menendez
761
00:41:51,635 --> 00:41:55,013
are probably the least dangerous
of all of them.
762
00:41:55,597 --> 00:41:58,141
Leslie, they're liars.
763
00:41:58,141 --> 00:41:59,101
[sighs]
764
00:41:59,101 --> 00:42:02,604
They shot their parents
while they were sleeping on a couch.
765
00:42:08,777 --> 00:42:10,612
[Erik] It's actually not impossible.
766
00:42:10,612 --> 00:42:14,658
People could wake up in a few years
and be like,
767
00:42:15,325 --> 00:42:18,620
"We gotta change the system,
where two kids..."
768
00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:22,374
And yes, I know, what we did
was very wrong, and I get that.
769
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,670
But, like, to spend the rest of our lives
in prison? Like, that's just...
770
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:28,005
[sighing]
771
00:42:28,005 --> 00:42:30,716
- What purpose does that even serve?
- Erik, Erik, Erik.
772
00:42:32,926 --> 00:42:34,428
I want to say something.
773
00:42:35,262 --> 00:42:36,138
Maybe sit.
774
00:42:42,394 --> 00:42:46,648
The appeals process, it's good
that you're going through that.
775
00:42:46,648 --> 00:42:47,649
Absolutely.
776
00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:53,739
But I don't want getting out of prison
to be the only thing you hope for.
777
00:42:55,198 --> 00:42:56,450
Does that make sense?
778
00:42:58,327 --> 00:42:59,578
[chuckling] No.
779
00:42:59,578 --> 00:43:01,705
Erik, your life is in here now.
780
00:43:03,332 --> 00:43:07,252
You've got to find meaning
and purpose in your life in here.
781
00:43:08,837 --> 00:43:12,591
And that is possible, Erik,
to... to find a meaningful life in here.
782
00:43:13,175 --> 00:43:18,055
I've seen it happen, and I have
complete faith that you will find that.
783
00:43:21,975 --> 00:43:22,934
[door clangs]
784
00:43:23,852 --> 00:43:25,270
[indistinct chatter]
785
00:43:26,938 --> 00:43:28,940
[buzzer blares]
786
00:43:29,608 --> 00:43:30,525
[door clangs]
787
00:43:36,698 --> 00:43:37,949
[door clangs]
788
00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:50,754
["Girl I'm Gonna Miss You"
by Milli Vanilli playing]
789
00:43:52,214 --> 00:43:53,507
[buzzer blares]
790
00:43:54,091 --> 00:43:55,175
Wake up, Menendez.
791
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:57,427
[door clangs]
792
00:43:57,928 --> 00:43:59,012
What's going on?
793
00:43:59,012 --> 00:44:01,014
You and your brother
are being transferred.
794
00:44:01,848 --> 00:44:02,766
Okay.
795
00:44:04,434 --> 00:44:05,560
[guard] Come on. Let's go.
796
00:44:06,812 --> 00:44:09,773
♪ I knew it from the start
You would break my heart ♪
797
00:44:10,273 --> 00:44:12,734
♪ But, still I had to play
This painful part ♪
798
00:44:13,443 --> 00:44:16,738
♪ You wrapped me 'round
Your little bitty finger ♪
799
00:44:16,738 --> 00:44:18,323
♪ With your magic smile ♪
800
00:44:18,323 --> 00:44:22,494
♪ You kept me hangin'
On a lover's cross awhile ♪
801
00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:24,579
♪ You put your spell on me ♪
802
00:44:25,163 --> 00:44:26,581
♪ Took my breath away ♪
803
00:44:26,581 --> 00:44:30,961
♪ But there was nothin' I could do
To make you stay ♪
804
00:44:30,961 --> 00:44:32,337
♪ I'm gonna miss you ♪
805
00:44:32,337 --> 00:44:34,881
♪ All the love I feel for you ♪
806
00:44:35,757 --> 00:44:39,219
♪ Nothing could make me
Change my point of view ♪
807
00:44:39,886 --> 00:44:44,182
♪ Oh girl, girl, I'm gonna miss you baby ♪
808
00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:47,602
♪ Giving all the love I feel for you ♪
809
00:44:48,103 --> 00:44:50,939
♪ Couldn't make you change
Your point of view ♪
810
00:44:50,939 --> 00:44:54,234
♪ You're leavin' ♪
811
00:44:57,571 --> 00:45:00,657
♪ Now I'm sittin' here, wastin' my time ♪
812
00:45:01,241 --> 00:45:02,451
♪ I just don't know... ♪
813
00:45:02,451 --> 00:45:03,744
[guard] Erik Menendez.
814
00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:05,746
- Yeah?
- [guard] Hop in.
815
00:45:05,746 --> 00:45:06,788
Where are we going?
816
00:45:06,788 --> 00:45:09,958
Folsom Prison.
Get comfy. It's a long drive.
817
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:18,675
♪ It's a tragedy for me to see
The dream is over ♪
818
00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:21,845
- Is--
- [guard] I said hop in.
819
00:45:23,054 --> 00:45:26,600
♪ Girl, I'm gonna miss you ♪
820
00:45:36,651 --> 00:45:37,736
[seatbelt clicks]
821
00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:41,156
[engine starts]
822
00:45:41,156 --> 00:45:43,575
♪ Like a honey bee
You took the best of me ♪
823
00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:46,828
♪ Now I can't erase those memories ♪
824
00:45:46,828 --> 00:45:49,873
♪ Like a fairy tale you were so unreal ♪
825
00:45:50,415 --> 00:45:53,126
♪ You left a scar that's so hard to heal ♪
826
00:45:53,627 --> 00:45:56,463
♪ When you had a taste of paradise ♪
827
00:45:56,463 --> 00:45:59,341
♪ Back on earth can feel as cold as ice ♪
828
00:45:59,341 --> 00:46:00,967
♪ I'm gonna miss you ♪
829
00:46:02,177 --> 00:46:04,554
♪ I'm gonna miss you
I'm gonna miss you ♪
830
00:46:04,554 --> 00:46:05,931
♪ I miss you ♪
831
00:46:05,931 --> 00:46:08,099
♪ Giving all the love I feel for you ♪
832
00:46:08,975 --> 00:46:11,812
♪ Couldn't make you
Change your point of view ♪
833
00:46:11,812 --> 00:46:15,106
♪ You're leavin' ♪
834
00:46:18,485 --> 00:46:21,822
♪ Now I'm sittin' here, wastin' my time ♪
835
00:46:22,322 --> 00:46:27,118
♪ I just don't know what I should do ♪
836
00:46:32,916 --> 00:46:39,881
♪ It's a tragedy for me to see
The dream is over ♪
837
00:46:39,881 --> 00:46:43,969
♪ And I never will forget the day we met ♪
838
00:46:43,969 --> 00:46:47,097
♪ Girl, I'm gonna miss you ♪
839
00:46:47,097 --> 00:46:49,349
♪ It's a tragedy for me... ♪
840
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:51,393
Wait, why isn't
the other van following us?
841
00:46:51,393 --> 00:46:54,145
Where... I thought we were going to Folsom.
842
00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:57,732
[guard] You're going to Folsom.
Your brother's going someplace else.
843
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,234
Where?
844
00:46:59,234 --> 00:47:01,903
♪ ... miss you ♪
845
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:13,331
["Girl I'm Gonna Miss You"
by Milli Vanilli ends]
846
00:47:13,957 --> 00:47:16,334
It is beautiful.
847
00:47:16,334 --> 00:47:19,754
You know that there is a shipwreck
right underneath us, 200 feet down?
848
00:47:19,754 --> 00:47:21,423
That's where the sharks are?
849
00:47:21,923 --> 00:47:24,551
- Out here.
- Wait, are we fishing for sharks?
850
00:47:24,551 --> 00:47:26,553
Yeah. Didn't I tell you?
851
00:47:26,553 --> 00:47:30,473
No, no, no. You said we were fishing.
You did not say shark fishing.
852
00:47:30,473 --> 00:47:32,767
[laughing]
853
00:47:32,767 --> 00:47:36,646
I told you about the guy from Arista
that I met with in New York.
854
00:47:36,646 --> 00:47:38,440
I was trying to close a deal with him
855
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,484
and he said that
he loves the shark fishing shit.
856
00:47:41,484 --> 00:47:44,154
And I lied to him.
And I said, "Yeah, me too!"
857
00:47:44,154 --> 00:47:47,324
"Let's do a shark fishing trip
next time you're in town!"
858
00:47:47,324 --> 00:47:49,743
So I got to know what I'm talking about.
859
00:47:50,785 --> 00:47:54,956
- What kind of sharks are we fishing?
- I don't know. Um...
860
00:47:55,957 --> 00:47:56,875
No idea.
861
00:47:56,875 --> 00:47:59,127
Uh, Captain. Captain.
862
00:47:59,628 --> 00:48:00,462
Yes, sir.
863
00:48:00,462 --> 00:48:02,631
What kind of sharks are we getting today?
864
00:48:02,631 --> 00:48:07,302
Uh, we're looking at blue sharks,
mako, maybe a great white.
865
00:48:07,302 --> 00:48:08,929
But they'll be juveniles mostly.
866
00:48:08,929 --> 00:48:10,931
- Okay. Juveniles!
- Oh great!
867
00:48:10,931 --> 00:48:13,350
Jaws is going to bite my arm off.
868
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:15,602
[both laughing]
869
00:48:15,602 --> 00:48:16,728
[Kitty exhales]
870
00:48:16,728 --> 00:48:18,438
I hated it when you went on trips.
871
00:48:19,522 --> 00:48:23,068
Stuck me with those boys all by myself
while you were off with her.
872
00:48:23,068 --> 00:48:27,364
Kitty cat, look at me.
Look at me, Kitty cat. No, no, no.
873
00:48:27,364 --> 00:48:28,490
That is over.
874
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:32,619
I chased the wrong things.
I chased shit for a long time.
875
00:48:33,161 --> 00:48:37,165
The thing that I needed the most,
I had it with me.
876
00:48:37,165 --> 00:48:38,375
I had you.
877
00:48:38,875 --> 00:48:40,627
[melancholy music playing]
878
00:48:41,711 --> 00:48:42,796
And I love you.
879
00:48:44,673 --> 00:48:45,507
[blows kiss]
880
00:48:46,466 --> 00:48:50,387
It wasn't easy, but we fucking did it.
We made it.
881
00:48:53,723 --> 00:48:56,559
And you know what,
you should go back to journalism, Kitty.
882
00:48:57,602 --> 00:48:59,688
Wait, what? No.
883
00:48:59,688 --> 00:49:01,773
Yes, I mean it. I'll tell you why.
884
00:49:02,524 --> 00:49:06,403
Because if I am running for Senate,
you could be writing about me.
885
00:49:06,403 --> 00:49:07,612
[Kitty laughs]
886
00:49:07,612 --> 00:49:12,158
Oh yeah! Report on
how wonderful a husband I am.
887
00:49:12,158 --> 00:49:15,745
Oh yeah? You better not be joking
because I just might.
888
00:49:17,205 --> 00:49:20,125
[captain] Okay, guys!
It's time to chum up the water.
889
00:49:21,292 --> 00:49:22,252
Here we go.
890
00:49:23,044 --> 00:49:25,380
You wanna kinda dribble it in here.
891
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:26,339
[Jose] Oh dear God.
892
00:49:26,339 --> 00:49:27,549
I can't!
893
00:49:28,091 --> 00:49:30,135
[Kitty laughs]
894
00:49:30,135 --> 00:49:32,137
Boys, come back here!
895
00:49:34,347 --> 00:49:36,558
- What is going on with them?
- I don't know.
896
00:49:36,558 --> 00:49:38,643
Who the fuck knows? Just let them be.
897
00:49:38,643 --> 00:49:39,644
[Kitty sighs deeply]
898
00:49:43,231 --> 00:49:44,941
[seagulls warbling]
899
00:49:52,157 --> 00:49:53,950
You're not chickening out, are you?
900
00:49:55,076 --> 00:49:56,244
We bought the guns.
901
00:50:01,958 --> 00:50:02,959
No.
902
00:50:05,462 --> 00:50:07,380
[Lyle exhales deeply]
903
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:08,673
Let's fucking do it.
904
00:50:13,887 --> 00:50:14,888
Yeah.
905
00:50:19,184 --> 00:50:20,769
Let's fucking do it.
906
00:50:21,394 --> 00:50:22,479
[sniffs]
907
00:50:29,527 --> 00:50:31,529
- [water sloshing]
- [seagulls warbling]
908
00:51:05,313 --> 00:51:07,315
[uneasy music playing]
909
00:52:43,161 --> 00:52:45,038
[uneasy music ends]