1 00:00:02,333 --> 00:00:03,750 NARRATOR: This program contains subject 2 00:00:03,875 --> 00:00:04,958 matter and language that may be disturbing to some viewers. 3 00:00:05,042 --> 00:00:06,375 Viewer discretion is advised. 4 00:00:09,333 --> 00:00:11,458 Being in a relationship is difficult enough. 5 00:00:11,542 --> 00:00:14,667 Add to it addiction, and you have a perfect recipe 6 00:00:14,750 --> 00:00:17,375 for tornado to come that you're not going to be able to stop. 7 00:00:19,917 --> 00:00:20,875 There's that old. 8 00:00:20,875 --> 00:00:22,250 Saying misery loves company. 9 00:00:25,208 --> 00:00:28,333 I can't see it being anything other than a nightmare. 10 00:00:28,375 --> 00:00:31,667 The worst hell you have ever had in your entire life. 11 00:00:38,250 --> 00:00:41,458 Couples in their addiction just tear each other apart. 12 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:42,917 You were done with that. 13 00:00:43,042 --> 00:00:45,500 We were done with that, and you brought it back. 14 00:00:45,542 --> 00:00:46,542 The dishonesty. 15 00:00:46,667 --> 00:00:47,417 Fuck you. 16 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:48,333 I'm going. 17 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:49,000 I'm done. 18 00:00:49,042 --> 00:00:49,833 The manipulation. 19 00:00:49,875 --> 00:00:50,667 The fighting. 20 00:00:50,708 --> 00:00:51,708 My god. 21 00:00:51,833 --> 00:00:52,708 This is absolutely your fault. 22 00:00:52,833 --> 00:00:56,167 And the codependency is deep. 23 00:00:56,167 --> 00:00:58,042 The only thing harder than fighting an addiction 24 00:00:58,125 --> 00:01:00,167 is fighting codependency at the same time. 25 00:01:03,250 --> 00:01:05,167 They're playing that dance of death, 26 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:07,042 and they're killing each other. 27 00:01:12,042 --> 00:01:14,667 The first time Tim and I used together, he 28 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:16,917 offered me one, joking around. 29 00:01:17,042 --> 00:01:20,125 Tim has been in a relationship with Jessica for three years. 30 00:01:20,208 --> 00:01:21,500 Give me a nice hug and a kiss. 31 00:01:21,583 --> 00:01:26,667 My cardinal rule was never date a drug addict. 32 00:01:26,708 --> 00:01:30,167 I've been hooked on fentanyl for about two years. 33 00:01:30,250 --> 00:01:32,750 Tim's been doing this for 28 years. 34 00:01:32,875 --> 00:01:34,333 All they care about is drugs. 35 00:01:34,375 --> 00:01:36,167 Those are little $5 pieces of crap. 36 00:01:36,292 --> 00:01:37,667 How many do you want? 37 00:01:37,750 --> 00:01:39,708 Tim and Jessica are very toxic for each other. 38 00:01:39,792 --> 00:01:41,292 Let's move forward. 39 00:01:41,375 --> 00:01:43,875 I'm upset now, and you want people to come over. 40 00:01:43,958 --> 00:01:45,333 I'm so mad at you right now. 41 00:01:45,417 --> 00:01:48,250 They're in a sick Romeo and Juliet type situation. 42 00:01:51,208 --> 00:01:54,833 They're asking if you're going to get help today. 43 00:01:54,875 --> 00:01:56,833 Tim, you have to try. 44 00:01:56,875 --> 00:01:58,292 You're not going to control this. 45 00:01:58,375 --> 00:02:00,417 I'm controlling it. 46 00:02:00,417 --> 00:02:02,375 The addiction will only get worse. 47 00:02:02,458 --> 00:02:05,167 They both need help, or they're going to die. 48 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:28,708 Tim. 49 00:02:28,792 --> 00:02:31,750 Hey, I'm coming up right now with your brekky. 50 00:02:31,833 --> 00:02:32,917 Oh, good. Perfect. 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:33,875 Thank you. 52 00:02:33,958 --> 00:02:35,000 French toast and eggs. 53 00:02:35,083 --> 00:02:37,667 Did you want more coffee or-- 54 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:38,708 OK. 55 00:02:38,708 --> 00:02:39,542 Thank you, honey. 56 00:02:39,667 --> 00:02:40,333 Bye. 57 00:02:40,417 --> 00:02:41,625 Bye. 58 00:02:41,708 --> 00:02:43,250 I'll go first. 59 00:02:43,333 --> 00:02:45,833 My name is Timothy Mark. 60 00:02:45,917 --> 00:02:47,500 My name is Jessica, and Tim 61 00:02:47,542 --> 00:02:51,417 and I have been together for the past three years. 62 00:02:51,542 --> 00:02:55,125 I met Jess originally in fifth grade. 63 00:02:55,208 --> 00:02:56,458 - Sixth grade. - Huh? 64 00:02:56,542 --> 00:02:57,250 Sixth grade. 65 00:02:57,333 --> 00:02:59,000 Sixth grade actually. 66 00:02:59,083 --> 00:03:01,042 Perfect timing. 67 00:03:01,042 --> 00:03:01,917 Sweet. 68 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,042 I hope it's not cold. 69 00:03:05,125 --> 00:03:06,667 Perfect. 70 00:03:06,708 --> 00:03:13,750 My favorite thing about Jess is that she's so caring, 71 00:03:13,875 --> 00:03:16,583 and she's a lot like my mother. 72 00:03:16,583 --> 00:03:20,583 I'm a mama's boy, like probably to a fault. 73 00:03:20,667 --> 00:03:24,500 And Jess is very attentive to all my needs. 74 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:36,250 I don't have any Xanax left, right? 75 00:03:36,333 --> 00:03:37,417 You took them back from me. 76 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,833 I'm pretty sure you ate them. 77 00:03:39,875 --> 00:03:42,958 Do you need me to get the shower ready before I go down? 78 00:03:43,042 --> 00:03:44,292 TIM: Yeah. 79 00:03:44,375 --> 00:03:47,458 1 gram of fentanyl could make someone OD. 80 00:03:47,542 --> 00:03:50,250 I hate those (Bleep) commercials. 81 00:03:50,333 --> 00:03:54,167 I use it all just because it makes everything easier. 82 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:57,667 It could erase bad memories. 83 00:03:57,708 --> 00:04:01,458 It can make a bad relationship good. 84 00:04:01,542 --> 00:04:02,667 You got bags and (Bleep). 85 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:03,583 Are you good? 86 00:04:03,583 --> 00:04:04,875 Yeah. 87 00:04:04,958 --> 00:04:06,667 I have everything I need. 88 00:04:06,708 --> 00:04:12,875 I also use fentanyl because I can't cope with his substance 89 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,333 abuse and my stress. 90 00:04:24,708 --> 00:04:28,917 Originally, I used marijuana, alcohol for a long time. 91 00:04:28,917 --> 00:04:33,083 But I've been hooked on fentanyl for about two years now. 92 00:04:33,167 --> 00:04:37,542 Tim was the one who introduced her to stronger stuff he. 93 00:04:37,625 --> 00:04:39,667 He got my daughter hooked on fentanyl. 94 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:42,083 Very bad move. 95 00:04:42,167 --> 00:04:46,292 For the most part, my use is strictly so I can function, 96 00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:47,458 so I can be OK. 97 00:04:54,875 --> 00:05:00,500 I am using about three to five bags a day. 98 00:05:00,542 --> 00:05:06,667 A bag, it's probably the amount of a crushed up Tylenol. 99 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:11,250 Becoming an addict, letting that happen, choosing that, 100 00:05:11,375 --> 00:05:13,542 it was a choice. 101 00:05:13,625 --> 00:05:15,833 And now, my health is declining. 102 00:05:15,875 --> 00:05:19,375 And you don't feel a need to take care of yourself 103 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:24,875 as much when you're using because you don't feel worthy. 104 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,250 She's lost a lot of weight. 105 00:05:26,333 --> 00:05:27,667 She's so gaunt, thin 106 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:30,375 She has no control over herself now. 107 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,292 I'm nervous that that might not be enough. 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:39,667 Yeah. 109 00:05:39,833 --> 00:05:41,458 JESSICA: OK. 110 00:05:41,542 --> 00:05:44,667 Also, Tim is enabling Jessica with the connections he has 111 00:05:44,792 --> 00:05:46,750 and the stuff that he brings over to the house. 112 00:05:46,833 --> 00:05:48,167 Here. Just two. 113 00:05:48,250 --> 00:05:50,500 I think Tim and Jessica are very toxic for each other. 114 00:05:50,542 --> 00:05:52,167 I don't think they're good for each other. 115 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:55,000 So that's what I just bought, right there. 116 00:05:55,083 --> 00:05:57,167 That's $100 worth of fentanyl. 117 00:05:57,250 --> 00:06:01,333 If you empty out a bag, there's probably like 0.1 grams, 118 00:06:01,417 --> 00:06:02,542 and that's $2. 119 00:06:11,208 --> 00:06:12,792 Whatever is better. 120 00:06:12,875 --> 00:06:17,500 I would drink 10 of these and 80 bags of fentanyl a day 121 00:06:17,625 --> 00:06:20,125 and just get completely obliterated. 122 00:06:20,208 --> 00:06:22,917 I was so terrified of him dying, 123 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,042 I would literally stay up all night and watch him sleep. 124 00:06:27,125 --> 00:06:30,208 Tim is addicted to fentanyl. 125 00:06:30,292 --> 00:06:32,000 Oh, here's a crack pipe right here. 126 00:06:32,083 --> 00:06:34,292 JESSICA: Crack. 127 00:06:34,417 --> 00:06:36,708 Alcohol. 128 00:06:36,792 --> 00:06:37,833 Xanax. 129 00:06:37,833 --> 00:06:39,583 He's addicted to whatever will take 130 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:42,625 his mind off of responsibility. 131 00:06:42,708 --> 00:06:45,833 Tim has suffered for decades. 132 00:06:45,917 --> 00:06:49,792 He's been doing this for 28 years. 133 00:06:49,875 --> 00:06:52,042 I can't imagine what's happening inside his body 134 00:06:52,125 --> 00:06:55,000 with all the different drugs that he's taken. 135 00:06:55,042 --> 00:06:56,625 It has to have taken a toll. 136 00:06:56,708 --> 00:07:00,000 And I'm afraid someday he's going to be in renal failure. 137 00:07:00,042 --> 00:07:02,458 Right now, all they care about is drugs. 138 00:07:02,542 --> 00:07:03,958 It's all consuming. 139 00:07:04,042 --> 00:07:06,833 I definitely need a little small pick me up. 140 00:07:06,875 --> 00:07:11,958 If Tim doesn't stop, I'm going to lose my brother. 141 00:07:12,042 --> 00:07:14,917 They both need help, or they're going to die. 142 00:07:32,708 --> 00:07:33,417 Yeah. 143 00:07:33,542 --> 00:07:36,333 Can you give me a list? 144 00:07:36,375 --> 00:07:37,833 Yeah. 145 00:07:37,958 --> 00:07:41,250 I have three children from a past relationship. 146 00:07:41,333 --> 00:07:43,750 Ricky, Mandy, and Shane. 147 00:07:43,875 --> 00:07:47,958 They are the most amazing things in this world. 148 00:07:51,750 --> 00:07:54,833 Because I'm living now in another town, Jessica, 149 00:07:54,958 --> 00:07:58,000 she moved into my home with her kids a couple of years ago. 150 00:07:58,083 --> 00:07:59,583 She's not working. 151 00:07:59,708 --> 00:08:01,042 I don't know how hard she's trying to find a job. 152 00:08:01,167 --> 00:08:03,625 I just know she hasn't paid rent in over a year. 153 00:08:03,708 --> 00:08:05,042 What else did you need? 154 00:08:05,125 --> 00:08:06,583 Stuff like carrots. 155 00:08:06,708 --> 00:08:08,167 Stuff that I could like take to work or something. 156 00:08:08,292 --> 00:08:09,792 Like salad stuff? 157 00:08:09,875 --> 00:08:11,500 Tim will be happy about that. 158 00:08:11,583 --> 00:08:14,292 Tim's usually been staying at Jessica's or over in 159 00:08:14,375 --> 00:08:16,500 the apartment over our garage. 160 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:17,750 I'll go check in on him. 161 00:08:17,833 --> 00:08:19,417 If you think of anything else, let me know. 162 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:21,333 He was living with Jessica. 163 00:08:21,417 --> 00:08:25,042 But then if they had a fight, which they often do fight, 164 00:08:25,125 --> 00:08:28,292 he would go to his apartment at our house for a night. 165 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:29,875 And then they'd make up the next day. 166 00:08:29,958 --> 00:08:30,833 Then he'd go back. 167 00:08:30,917 --> 00:08:32,500 I'm not going to do anything crazy. 168 00:08:32,583 --> 00:08:34,500 I'm just going to go take care of some things. 169 00:08:34,542 --> 00:08:35,875 We don't need anything. 170 00:08:35,958 --> 00:08:37,500 So you were going to go to Hartford, 171 00:08:37,583 --> 00:08:39,583 but we don't even really need anything, do we? 172 00:08:39,667 --> 00:08:42,833 Like you have a lot of stuff. 173 00:08:42,917 --> 00:08:44,500 - All right, babe. - You don't know what you-- 174 00:08:44,542 --> 00:08:46,125 OK. You do what you're going to do. 175 00:08:46,208 --> 00:08:47,000 Yeah. 176 00:08:47,083 --> 00:08:48,917 Give me a kiss. 177 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,625 All right. 178 00:08:49,625 --> 00:08:50,542 Have a good day. 179 00:08:50,625 --> 00:08:51,417 Love you. 180 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:53,000 JESSICA: Love you. 181 00:08:53,167 --> 00:08:57,250 I love Jess, and she's had a lot of life stuff going on. 182 00:08:57,333 --> 00:09:00,750 So I try to make sure that we're taking care of. 183 00:09:03,958 --> 00:09:06,167 I'm going to bring you to the hood hood. 184 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:10,000 There's no city in the United States like Hartford. 185 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:12,583 Every one of these streets has drugs on it. 186 00:09:12,667 --> 00:09:15,958 Like all these people outside are selling drugs. 187 00:09:16,042 --> 00:09:16,708 Everyone. 188 00:09:16,792 --> 00:09:18,625 I don't go get the drugs. 189 00:09:18,708 --> 00:09:20,958 Tim, that's his responsibility. 190 00:09:21,042 --> 00:09:24,958 But it causes me a great deal of anxiety when he's buying. 191 00:09:25,042 --> 00:09:28,667 I am very afraid of what can happen to him. 192 00:09:28,792 --> 00:09:35,667 My cardinal rule up until now was never date a drug addict 193 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:40,375 because two dead batteries doesn't start a car, bro. 194 00:09:40,458 --> 00:09:42,833 I was on Facebook during COVID, 195 00:09:42,958 --> 00:09:46,000 and I saw Tim through a mutual friend. 196 00:09:46,083 --> 00:09:48,792 And I remembered him from sixth grade. 197 00:09:48,875 --> 00:09:51,667 He was the fat and funny kid. 198 00:09:51,792 --> 00:09:54,042 I actually had a crush on him. 199 00:09:54,167 --> 00:09:56,958 And he asked if he could FaceTime with me. 200 00:09:57,042 --> 00:09:59,333 And he's like, why don't you come see me? 201 00:09:59,417 --> 00:10:02,083 And I'm like, OK. 202 00:10:02,167 --> 00:10:03,833 Why not? 203 00:10:03,917 --> 00:10:06,833 When I met Jess, she was really cool. 204 00:10:06,875 --> 00:10:09,125 Not just the average girl. 205 00:10:09,208 --> 00:10:11,833 Like she was mad cool. 206 00:10:11,917 --> 00:10:14,208 And I liked her right off the rip. 207 00:10:14,292 --> 00:10:16,917 Tim has been in a relationship with Jessica for a few years 208 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000 now. 209 00:10:18,125 --> 00:10:20,208 But the relationship was a rocky one. 210 00:10:20,333 --> 00:10:23,167 In the beginning, I thought it was just like a lot 211 00:10:23,292 --> 00:10:25,458 of the guys I was meeting. 212 00:10:25,542 --> 00:10:27,625 Functioning addicts. 213 00:10:27,708 --> 00:10:29,833 And I was drinking. 214 00:10:29,917 --> 00:10:31,542 So I didn't think much of it. 215 00:10:31,625 --> 00:10:34,125 But hindsight, you know. 216 00:10:34,125 --> 00:10:36,833 The first time Tim and I used together, 217 00:10:36,875 --> 00:10:40,083 it was probably about a year into the relationship. 218 00:10:40,208 --> 00:10:43,000 He offered me one, joking around because he 219 00:10:43,083 --> 00:10:46,083 would always say, if you ever use this, I'll kill you. 220 00:10:46,167 --> 00:10:48,458 And I said, well, that's funny because I already have. 221 00:10:48,542 --> 00:10:52,708 I took from you a few times, that I didn't use a whole bag, 222 00:10:52,833 --> 00:10:54,208 that I just did a little bit. 223 00:10:54,375 --> 00:10:55,875 And I showed him how I did it. 224 00:10:55,958 --> 00:10:59,833 And after that, we used together. 225 00:10:59,875 --> 00:11:02,708 She wasn't a drug addict before I met her. 226 00:11:02,833 --> 00:11:04,417 So it was straight. 227 00:11:04,542 --> 00:11:09,792 And now that she's become a drug addict, it's like (Bleep). 228 00:11:09,875 --> 00:11:12,333 Tim and Jessica take care of each other. 229 00:11:12,375 --> 00:11:14,292 They rely on each other. 230 00:11:14,292 --> 00:11:15,833 They love each other. 231 00:11:15,875 --> 00:11:20,917 But they enable each other to continue to be addicts. 232 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,208 So now, we're entering like a really, really, 233 00:11:25,292 --> 00:11:27,333 really, really bad section. 234 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:29,958 Like real dangerous. 235 00:11:30,042 --> 00:11:32,917 So I'm about to go buy a piece of crack right now. 236 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,625 We'll go up in this house right here. 237 00:11:36,708 --> 00:11:37,875 You guys stay right here. 238 00:11:41,458 --> 00:11:42,417 You know what? 239 00:11:42,542 --> 00:11:45,542 This is kind of not good. 240 00:11:45,625 --> 00:11:46,333 Yeah. 241 00:11:50,708 --> 00:11:52,583 Shut that door real quick. 242 00:11:52,667 --> 00:11:54,125 It's bad. 243 00:12:00,042 --> 00:12:02,000 I just thought it would be good, but it's not. 244 00:12:02,083 --> 00:12:08,000 When stuff goes south out here, it goes south immediately. 245 00:12:08,083 --> 00:12:10,708 But I still wanted to get some crack. 246 00:12:10,792 --> 00:12:16,292 I have ties to this community that go back you years, 247 00:12:16,375 --> 00:12:19,417 doing drugs with certain people and buying 248 00:12:19,542 --> 00:12:22,458 drugs for me and Jess. 249 00:12:22,542 --> 00:12:23,458 Don't worry about nothing. 250 00:12:29,042 --> 00:12:29,500 What up? 251 00:12:29,625 --> 00:12:30,375 What up? 252 00:12:37,417 --> 00:12:38,833 He does have a good heart. 253 00:12:38,917 --> 00:12:41,417 Unfortunately, his addiction makes 254 00:12:41,542 --> 00:12:43,500 it easier to make poor choices. 255 00:12:43,625 --> 00:12:46,833 And I'm constantly wondering if he's 256 00:12:46,917 --> 00:12:49,292 going to be on time, if I'm going to get sick, 257 00:12:49,375 --> 00:12:53,500 and I'm not going to be able to get what I need for the night 258 00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:55,458 because he's passed out. 259 00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:57,583 This is what I bought. 260 00:12:57,667 --> 00:13:00,583 Those are little $5 pieces of crack. 261 00:13:00,667 --> 00:13:01,792 Good crack too. 262 00:13:01,875 --> 00:13:03,500 Well, that's what he said. 263 00:13:03,542 --> 00:13:06,833 Our life has become unmanageable. 264 00:13:06,875 --> 00:13:08,208 Alcohol and drugs. 265 00:13:08,333 --> 00:13:10,833 It's the biggest (Bleep) nightmare of my life. 266 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,958 Where was I with the seasoning? 267 00:13:18,042 --> 00:13:24,708 Salt. Mandy, Tim, and I will enjoy it all. 268 00:13:24,792 --> 00:13:26,167 Jessica dotes on Tim. 269 00:13:26,250 --> 00:13:27,417 She waits on him. 270 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:28,542 She loves him. 271 00:13:28,625 --> 00:13:29,500 She really, really loves him. 272 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:30,333 Hey. 273 00:13:30,375 --> 00:13:33,000 What's up, babe? 274 00:13:33,083 --> 00:13:34,458 I got some more (Bleep) out there. 275 00:13:38,917 --> 00:13:40,417 I got dinner going. 276 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:42,792 How many did you have? 277 00:13:42,792 --> 00:13:44,500 Just like what there was the second one. 278 00:13:44,583 --> 00:13:46,333 OK. 279 00:13:46,417 --> 00:13:49,167 NARRATOR: I like a traditional relationship, where the woman 280 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:52,167 takes care of her man with like needs 281 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:54,125 and food and stuff like that, and the man 282 00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:56,875 takes care of the woman financially and stuff. 283 00:13:56,958 --> 00:14:01,375 And I haven't like lived up to my part of the deal, 284 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:02,833 and I'll admit it. 285 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:06,792 I haven't been like the best provider yet. 286 00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,458 I've tried quite a bit though. 287 00:14:09,542 --> 00:14:11,042 It's very hard. 288 00:14:11,167 --> 00:14:16,958 Does his best at trying to be what he's promised to me 289 00:14:17,042 --> 00:14:18,833 and who he wants to be. 290 00:14:22,458 --> 00:14:28,042 This is crack, which I got to get a little bit more of. 291 00:14:28,125 --> 00:14:33,083 Money is always on my mind because we're broke as (Bleep). 292 00:14:34,417 --> 00:14:37,125 But I can honestly say that at least we're 293 00:14:37,208 --> 00:14:39,375 taken care of, drugs-wise. 294 00:14:46,042 --> 00:14:47,708 How was your day today, babe? 295 00:14:47,792 --> 00:14:49,167 Busy. 296 00:14:49,208 --> 00:14:50,208 But it was good. TIM: You have a good day? 297 00:14:50,292 --> 00:14:50,958 Yeah. 298 00:14:51,042 --> 00:14:52,125 I'm glad, baby. 299 00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:52,792 I love you. 300 00:14:52,875 --> 00:14:54,000 I love you. 301 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,167 Give me a nice hug and a kiss. 302 00:14:59,958 --> 00:15:02,333 Their relationship doesn't seem normal to me. 303 00:15:02,375 --> 00:15:06,750 He's very dependent on her to take care of him. 304 00:15:06,750 --> 00:15:08,542 But she's also dependent on him. 305 00:15:08,625 --> 00:15:11,750 I think she thrives on taking care of people. 306 00:15:11,833 --> 00:15:13,167 Can I have another beer? 307 00:15:13,250 --> 00:15:14,167 Not cold. 308 00:15:14,292 --> 00:15:16,583 But there is one more beer, right? 309 00:15:16,708 --> 00:15:17,417 Yeah. 310 00:15:20,875 --> 00:15:23,000 I only had one beer today. 311 00:15:23,042 --> 00:15:24,458 I thought it was three. 312 00:15:24,542 --> 00:15:25,333 No. 313 00:15:25,375 --> 00:15:26,333 That'll be the-- 314 00:15:26,375 --> 00:15:28,125 The third, right? 315 00:15:28,208 --> 00:15:30,125 That's what you said earlier. 316 00:15:30,208 --> 00:15:32,167 Yeah. 317 00:15:32,292 --> 00:15:35,042 We will be happy eventually. 318 00:15:35,125 --> 00:15:39,083 I'll make sure that this is a happy family. 319 00:15:39,167 --> 00:15:40,125 I'll be right back. 320 00:15:49,792 --> 00:15:51,000 My name is Darren Hobbs. 321 00:15:51,125 --> 00:15:52,792 I've been an interventionist for 11 years. 322 00:15:52,875 --> 00:15:54,542 Zach and I just landed. 323 00:15:54,625 --> 00:15:57,250 We've got two interventions this week for Tim and Jessica. 324 00:15:57,333 --> 00:16:00,250 They're in a really sick Romeo and Juliet type 325 00:16:00,333 --> 00:16:03,042 situation, where they get sicker and sicker by the day. 326 00:16:03,125 --> 00:16:04,708 Time is of the essence. 327 00:16:04,833 --> 00:16:07,083 So we've got a lot of family info to wrap our arms around, 328 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:09,375 and we're going to get straight to it. 329 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:10,083 All right, man. 330 00:16:10,167 --> 00:16:11,458 Let's go through this. 331 00:16:11,542 --> 00:16:13,083 Jessica lives in a house owned by her dad 332 00:16:13,167 --> 00:16:14,417 with her three children. 333 00:16:14,542 --> 00:16:17,000 17-year-old boy, 22-year-old boy, and then we 334 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,708 got a 24-year-old girl. 335 00:16:18,792 --> 00:16:20,542 And they're playing with fentanyl 336 00:16:20,625 --> 00:16:21,333 Right. 337 00:16:21,417 --> 00:16:22,458 You're playing Russian roulette. 338 00:16:22,542 --> 00:16:24,167 Tim is there most nights, except when 339 00:16:24,250 --> 00:16:27,458 living over his parents' owned garage about 10 minutes away. 340 00:16:27,542 --> 00:16:30,667 Tim and Jessica, sounds like they've been dating exclusively 341 00:16:30,792 --> 00:16:32,500 for about pandemic plus. 342 00:16:32,583 --> 00:16:34,667 The beginning of COVID, and nobody was moving. 343 00:16:34,750 --> 00:16:36,375 So if you started a relationship, 344 00:16:36,458 --> 00:16:39,500 you were full blown day three, right? 345 00:16:39,583 --> 00:16:42,417 So we're fighting fentanyl, crack, and some sick family 346 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:44,667 dynamics, and probably codependency between them 347 00:16:44,708 --> 00:16:46,000 too, right? 348 00:16:46,083 --> 00:16:47,833 Because misery together is way better 349 00:16:47,917 --> 00:16:49,667 than misery of being alone. 350 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:52,167 The only thing harder than fighting against addiction 351 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:54,917 is fighting against addiction and codependency 352 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,167 at the same time. 353 00:16:56,208 --> 00:16:58,083 With Tim and Jessica, we've definitely 354 00:16:58,167 --> 00:16:59,625 got our work cut out for us. 355 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:14,667 My anxiety is pretty high because my mom's on her way 356 00:17:14,792 --> 00:17:15,917 here. 357 00:17:16,042 --> 00:17:19,292 I talked to my family very seldom 358 00:17:19,375 --> 00:17:21,833 because I'm hiding from them. 359 00:17:21,917 --> 00:17:24,208 I don't want anyone to see me like this. 360 00:17:28,833 --> 00:17:30,000 Honey. 361 00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:33,875 My baby girl. 362 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000 I love Jessie. 363 00:17:35,083 --> 00:17:37,333 She has a lot of joy or did. 364 00:17:37,375 --> 00:17:41,167 But the co-dependency with Tim is strong. 365 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:44,042 She believes that she can come out of this, 366 00:17:44,125 --> 00:17:45,750 and I believe she can. 367 00:17:45,833 --> 00:17:47,625 I've always believed in her. 368 00:17:47,708 --> 00:17:48,417 Where's the Mandy? 369 00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:49,458 Working. 370 00:17:49,542 --> 00:17:51,167 She's working. 371 00:17:51,250 --> 00:17:52,750 Doing her waitressing tonight. 372 00:17:52,833 --> 00:17:53,625 How are you? 373 00:17:53,708 --> 00:17:55,083 Good. 374 00:17:55,167 --> 00:17:56,542 The other day, I was going through my pictures 375 00:17:56,625 --> 00:17:58,000 from your baby book. 376 00:17:58,125 --> 00:18:00,458 I was reading things about you and your sisters. 377 00:18:00,542 --> 00:18:03,000 It was so sweet. 378 00:18:03,083 --> 00:18:06,167 When Jessie was born, she was sparkling. 379 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:08,875 She was charismatic. 380 00:18:08,958 --> 00:18:10,875 People loved her. 381 00:18:10,958 --> 00:18:13,208 And I loved being a mom. 382 00:18:13,208 --> 00:18:15,375 I had some struggles, sure. 383 00:18:15,458 --> 00:18:18,125 But my struggles were with my husband. 384 00:18:24,875 --> 00:18:28,167 After Jessie and I's father split up, 385 00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:29,875 I thought I would do great. 386 00:18:29,958 --> 00:18:34,792 I thought I would be supermom and rise to the occasion, 387 00:18:34,875 --> 00:18:35,667 but I didn't. 388 00:18:35,708 --> 00:18:37,250 I felt alone. 389 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:42,333 And I made some really bad decisions. 390 00:18:42,375 --> 00:18:45,792 When I was 7 or 8, my mom was our friend. 391 00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:47,125 She was not our mom. 392 00:18:47,208 --> 00:18:49,292 There was a lot of drinking in my home. 393 00:18:49,375 --> 00:18:51,958 There was always a party going on. 394 00:18:52,042 --> 00:18:54,000 It became a free for all. 395 00:18:54,083 --> 00:18:58,083 And I let my children run wild. 396 00:18:58,167 --> 00:19:02,500 We were the party house, for sure. 397 00:19:02,625 --> 00:19:06,500 At that time, I tried some dilaudid. 398 00:19:06,583 --> 00:19:10,083 But you can't always get dilaudid. 399 00:19:10,167 --> 00:19:15,833 And so along comes the heroin. 400 00:19:15,917 --> 00:19:19,375 I was caught in my addiction for a year and a half. 401 00:19:19,458 --> 00:19:25,333 And that was a really hard year and a half on my children. 402 00:19:25,417 --> 00:19:27,208 We didn't eat right. 403 00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:29,625 We didn't have furniture. 404 00:19:29,708 --> 00:19:32,875 My father I think provided a little bit more of that 405 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,875 than my mother did at times. 406 00:19:34,958 --> 00:19:36,792 But her addiction was severe. 407 00:19:36,875 --> 00:19:42,792 And she subjected us to a lot of scary situations. 408 00:19:42,875 --> 00:19:47,417 Bad neighborhoods, scary truck stops buying drugs. 409 00:19:59,375 --> 00:20:03,125 It wasn't a healthy home, but I love you. 410 00:20:03,208 --> 00:20:05,833 And we've got to stop the cycle. 411 00:20:05,875 --> 00:20:06,833 Yeah. 412 00:20:06,917 --> 00:20:09,333 There's no doubt in my mind. 413 00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:12,833 It's been very emotionally trying. 414 00:20:12,875 --> 00:20:19,292 But I definitely feel more and more like myself every day. 415 00:20:19,292 --> 00:20:24,417 You're telling me that you don't take the fentanyl now? 416 00:20:24,542 --> 00:20:25,375 No, I do. 417 00:20:25,458 --> 00:20:26,167 I do. 418 00:20:29,708 --> 00:20:31,208 So. 419 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:34,833 Thank you for being honest. 420 00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:36,125 Jessie. 421 00:20:36,208 --> 00:20:37,417 Jessie. 422 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:39,000 It's all right, mom. 423 00:20:39,042 --> 00:20:40,458 I'll be all right. 424 00:20:40,542 --> 00:20:42,750 Jess. 425 00:20:42,875 --> 00:20:44,333 JESSICA: I'm sorry. 426 00:20:44,458 --> 00:20:46,750 Now that I found out she's using again, 427 00:20:46,833 --> 00:20:49,333 I wonder, will she make it through another day? 428 00:20:49,375 --> 00:20:56,417 And her children, what will they do without their mom? 429 00:20:56,500 --> 00:21:02,917 So I got fentanyl because of my panic attacks, my issues 430 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,333 with him. 431 00:21:04,417 --> 00:21:06,583 Do you think you can get better with him? 432 00:21:11,208 --> 00:21:15,667 I was inspired by Tim, and I saw a new prospect 433 00:21:15,792 --> 00:21:17,333 for me and the kids. 434 00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:19,583 So we're trying. 435 00:21:19,708 --> 00:21:21,000 We're trying. 436 00:21:21,167 --> 00:21:24,583 I don't know if the love is strong enough to endure this. 437 00:21:24,583 --> 00:21:28,083 But right now, they're not good for each other. 438 00:21:28,167 --> 00:21:30,750 I'm working through it, OK? 439 00:21:44,583 --> 00:21:48,667 JESSICA: Maybe the flannel is at your mom's? 440 00:21:51,708 --> 00:21:55,875 Trying to help Tim get ready for the day. 441 00:21:55,875 --> 00:21:59,500 When I met him, I wasn't looking for a relationship. 442 00:21:59,583 --> 00:22:04,958 He was supposed to just be my (Bleep)boy. 443 00:22:05,042 --> 00:22:07,292 But he wanted more. 444 00:22:07,375 --> 00:22:09,833 I think that's the best he's going to get. 445 00:22:09,875 --> 00:22:14,458 Belt. It feels really good to be wanted that much 446 00:22:14,542 --> 00:22:18,833 and to be needed that much, but that wasn't supposed to happen. 447 00:22:18,917 --> 00:22:19,667 I should have left. 448 00:22:23,875 --> 00:22:28,458 You do have these two pair of pants that are clean. 449 00:22:28,542 --> 00:22:31,250 I did find this, right? 450 00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:32,417 You're good. 451 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:34,583 You got what you need. 452 00:22:34,667 --> 00:22:38,000 Well, I can get to go and see my dad. 453 00:22:38,083 --> 00:22:39,833 I love my dad. 454 00:22:39,917 --> 00:22:45,208 But I personally severed my relationship with my father 455 00:22:45,292 --> 00:22:47,958 temporarily because I didn't want 456 00:22:48,042 --> 00:22:53,167 to see him hurt over what I was doing to him and the addiction 457 00:22:53,208 --> 00:22:53,875 that I have. 458 00:22:59,917 --> 00:23:01,292 I'm like way behind. 459 00:23:01,375 --> 00:23:02,542 Oh, my gosh. 460 00:23:02,625 --> 00:23:04,250 This is not good. 461 00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:07,458 But my father was recently diagnosed with Parkinson's. 462 00:23:07,542 --> 00:23:10,417 So I want to see my dad. 463 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:14,042 I just wish this was under different circumstances. 464 00:23:14,125 --> 00:23:18,083 So I'm going to talk to my dad about the stuff I said 465 00:23:18,167 --> 00:23:19,833 I wanted to talk to him about. 466 00:23:19,917 --> 00:23:21,208 TIM: Oh, good. 467 00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:23,083 About your business, and about the bears, 468 00:23:23,167 --> 00:23:27,583 and why the tools are in use and missing and such. 469 00:23:27,667 --> 00:23:30,375 So hopefully, that goes well. 470 00:23:35,333 --> 00:23:36,708 JESSICA: I know. 471 00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:38,375 I'm starting to have a panic attack. 472 00:23:52,833 --> 00:23:53,542 OK. 473 00:24:01,042 --> 00:24:07,833 He came to my house three months ago to get a lot of his stuff, 474 00:24:07,917 --> 00:24:14,958 and I hid like a coward because I couldn't face him. 475 00:24:15,042 --> 00:24:18,583 So I hid in my room. 476 00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:21,625 I tried to protect his things, and I didn't. 477 00:24:21,708 --> 00:24:22,833 OK. 478 00:24:22,917 --> 00:24:25,500 And I (Bleep) up in that regard because I 479 00:24:25,583 --> 00:24:28,125 didn't protect his things. 480 00:24:28,208 --> 00:24:29,458 I love you too. 481 00:24:29,542 --> 00:24:32,542 Wish me luck. 482 00:24:32,625 --> 00:24:34,167 You stole them, right? 483 00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:37,042 I'm the only one who stole the tools. 484 00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:38,000 I turned a blind eye. 485 00:24:38,083 --> 00:24:39,292 I didn't-- 486 00:24:39,375 --> 00:24:40,917 Oh, you never said, go ahead, take that? 487 00:24:40,917 --> 00:24:44,792 I gave you some of them, and I admitted that. 488 00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:45,667 OK. 489 00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:46,458 Yeah. 490 00:24:49,375 --> 00:24:51,667 It is exciting to see my dad. 491 00:24:51,792 --> 00:24:57,042 But I'm starting to think about what I have to say. 492 00:24:57,167 --> 00:25:02,208 And it's going to cause him pain that I don't 493 00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:04,667 want him to have to deal with. 494 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:06,958 He's already in enough pain. 495 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,958 This unfortunately will help me face the moment. 496 00:25:25,708 --> 00:25:29,500 When I was younger, mom and dad were no longer together. 497 00:25:29,583 --> 00:25:31,667 Mom was using. 498 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:33,167 Dad was drinking. 499 00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:37,000 I just want to be OK. 500 00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:41,542 It's been tough for Jessica for a lot of years. 501 00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:44,000 After me and her mother split up, 502 00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:46,042 I'd go to work, get home, drink, and go 503 00:25:46,125 --> 00:25:47,208 to sleep, and go to work. 504 00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:49,417 That was my lifestyle. 505 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,500 JESSICA: As a teenager, my Kodak moments 506 00:25:51,583 --> 00:25:56,208 were getting drunk and blowing shotguns of weed 507 00:25:56,208 --> 00:25:57,875 with my father. 508 00:25:57,958 --> 00:26:01,333 I feel that she thought she could get away with drinking 509 00:26:01,375 --> 00:26:04,417 heavy because I used to. 510 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,167 And then she lost her brother, and it 511 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:08,625 got completely out of control. 512 00:26:13,792 --> 00:26:15,958 We were very close growing up. 513 00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:22,500 So when my brother Donnie took his life, it took a part of me 514 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:23,500 with him. 515 00:26:23,542 --> 00:26:26,500 It was horrible. 516 00:26:26,583 --> 00:26:29,125 It was unbelievable. 517 00:26:29,208 --> 00:26:32,458 And after that, she met her boyfriend, Rick. 518 00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:35,333 He was a little rough around the edges. 519 00:26:35,458 --> 00:26:38,542 But then again, my family was too. 520 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:53,833 My kid's father, Rick, and Tim are 521 00:26:53,917 --> 00:26:58,167 so much alike in so many ways, in their manliness, 522 00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:00,542 in their affection. 523 00:27:00,667 --> 00:27:01,583 I loved him. 524 00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:03,167 He was my best friend. 525 00:27:03,208 --> 00:27:06,000 But we were not healthy for one another. 526 00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:08,292 I was using alcohol at that point. 527 00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:09,583 It was just alcohol. 528 00:27:09,667 --> 00:27:14,042 And Rick was a binge user, the fentanyl. 529 00:27:14,167 --> 00:27:16,375 It was so bad. 530 00:27:22,708 --> 00:27:25,042 Rick's death tore everybody up. 531 00:27:25,125 --> 00:27:31,167 And I don't think Jessie got past it, even to this day. 532 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:32,167 JESSICA: Hi, papa. 533 00:27:32,208 --> 00:27:33,583 DON: Hi. 534 00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:37,000 I apologize that it's taken so long. 535 00:27:37,042 --> 00:27:38,500 But-- 536 00:27:38,542 --> 00:27:40,083 You've been taking your time with that for a long time. 537 00:27:40,167 --> 00:27:41,042 Yes. 538 00:27:41,167 --> 00:27:42,667 I have, too long. 539 00:27:42,667 --> 00:27:46,333 And this is where I'm trying to start 540 00:27:46,417 --> 00:27:47,500 being honest with everyone. 541 00:27:47,583 --> 00:27:49,292 DON: OK. 542 00:27:49,375 --> 00:27:52,500 So who's allowed to go to the basement and take my tools? 543 00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:54,375 I had a whole bunch of woodworking planes. 544 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:56,917 I had a bucket of wrenches down there. 545 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,583 I don't know what happened to them. 546 00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:00,167 OK. 547 00:28:00,250 --> 00:28:04,833 So that happened when I was at my worst on fentanyl. 548 00:28:04,958 --> 00:28:10,125 And it was me turning a blind eye because I 549 00:28:10,208 --> 00:28:11,917 wasn't up for fighting. 550 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,958 I did let him take some of your tools for his woodworking, 551 00:28:17,042 --> 00:28:19,750 and he did make some poor choices with them. 552 00:28:19,833 --> 00:28:20,708 What do you mean? 553 00:28:20,708 --> 00:28:22,458 He sold them? 554 00:28:22,542 --> 00:28:25,667 I don't know which ones, to be honest. 555 00:28:29,042 --> 00:28:34,167 And he doesn't even remember because of his addictions 556 00:28:34,208 --> 00:28:37,375 are so severe. 557 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:39,500 Wow. 558 00:28:39,542 --> 00:28:43,375 For him to be allowed into the house and take my stuff away, 559 00:28:43,458 --> 00:28:45,292 it's very disconcerting. 560 00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:48,000 He's got to come to grips with a lot of areas. 561 00:28:48,125 --> 00:28:50,167 The consequences of what she's doing 562 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:52,542 hasn't been favorable for anybody, 563 00:28:52,625 --> 00:28:54,250 especially my property. 564 00:28:54,375 --> 00:28:57,500 We're not pleased at all with any of it. 565 00:28:57,625 --> 00:28:59,542 So what now? 566 00:28:59,625 --> 00:29:02,375 So I do love him very much. 567 00:29:02,458 --> 00:29:04,000 He has a lot of potential. 568 00:29:04,083 --> 00:29:06,750 He has so much talent, and he has changed a lot for me. 569 00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:09,250 He is very sweet and kind. 570 00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:10,708 DON: I don't know if being with him 571 00:29:10,833 --> 00:29:12,833 is going to do you any good. 572 00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:16,542 I'm aware of that, and I am working on it. 573 00:29:16,625 --> 00:29:18,542 Everything he's doing, he's going 574 00:29:18,625 --> 00:29:19,833 to wind up like Ricky did. 575 00:29:22,375 --> 00:29:27,167 Using for so many years, it's just incredibly bad. 576 00:29:27,208 --> 00:29:29,125 It's something his body will just give out. 577 00:29:33,917 --> 00:29:35,500 And what he's really worried about 578 00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:37,000 is that it's going to be you, Jess. 579 00:29:39,625 --> 00:29:44,583 I never want to hurt people, and I never want my problems 580 00:29:44,708 --> 00:29:46,750 to be someone else's. 581 00:29:46,833 --> 00:29:49,500 I feel completely ashamed of myself, 582 00:29:49,583 --> 00:29:54,042 that I picked fentanyl over my family and my children. 583 00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,750 It seems like you got to make a decision for your life. 584 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,625 RHONDA: So you're going to cut dad's hair? 585 00:30:14,708 --> 00:30:16,042 Yeah. 586 00:30:16,125 --> 00:30:17,500 RHONDA: And I'm going to make you some coffee? 587 00:30:17,583 --> 00:30:21,500 You got to make it, all right, like light and sweet. 588 00:30:21,583 --> 00:30:23,125 Light and sweet. 589 00:30:23,208 --> 00:30:25,792 We have a very, very close relationship, always have. 590 00:30:25,792 --> 00:30:27,208 He says he's a straight up mama's boy, 591 00:30:27,375 --> 00:30:28,333 and he's proud of it. 592 00:30:28,417 --> 00:30:30,542 But I just want so much more for him. 593 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:34,667 Tim is very artistic. 594 00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:35,667 He cuts hair. 595 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:37,375 He cuts trees. 596 00:30:37,458 --> 00:30:38,875 He makes sculptures. 597 00:30:39,042 --> 00:30:41,875 He's really all around good at anything he does. 598 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,167 But he just can't seem to stick to one of them. 599 00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:49,167 You know, the drugs just get in the way. 600 00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:50,958 So honey, do you think you're going 601 00:30:51,042 --> 00:30:53,750 to ever cut trees down again, or are you 602 00:30:53,833 --> 00:30:56,000 going to stick to sculpting? 603 00:30:56,083 --> 00:30:59,208 Oh, I'm going to do both. 604 00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:01,000 I'm going to build my credit back up, 605 00:31:01,125 --> 00:31:03,042 and I'm going to buy all the stuff I need. 606 00:31:03,125 --> 00:31:05,750 But the most important part of that recipe for success 607 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:08,042 is going to recovery. 608 00:31:08,125 --> 00:31:08,958 Yeah. 609 00:31:09,042 --> 00:31:10,375 But hasn't worked in the past. 610 00:31:13,125 --> 00:31:15,375 Tim was just a happy little boy. 611 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:17,167 He had good friends. 612 00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:22,167 But he was a chubby kid, and he was picked on a lot for that. 613 00:31:22,208 --> 00:31:25,167 At 10, I was locked in a bathroom. 614 00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:29,958 And the kid sprayed oven cleaner and a bunch of (Bleep) 615 00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:32,000 like that under the door. 616 00:31:32,083 --> 00:31:36,333 His father end up coming home and stopping him. 617 00:31:36,417 --> 00:31:39,292 Being bullied, it was very hard on him. 618 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:42,542 And because of this, he had no self-esteem. 619 00:31:45,375 --> 00:31:50,125 When Tim was 11, he started being disruptive in class. 620 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:55,708 They wanted to put him on medication, 621 00:31:55,708 --> 00:31:58,042 and we didn't want him on medication. 622 00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:00,750 We had heard too many things about Adderall 623 00:32:00,833 --> 00:32:02,958 and those medications. 624 00:32:03,042 --> 00:32:08,167 So I regret that I will regret that till the day I die. 625 00:32:08,208 --> 00:32:11,292 TIFFANY: Tim started drinking heavily at a very young age, 626 00:32:11,375 --> 00:32:13,583 like 12, 13. 627 00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:18,292 He self-medicated in an effort to make himself feel normal. 628 00:32:21,125 --> 00:32:25,708 I used alcohol and drugs to turn into something different. 629 00:32:25,792 --> 00:32:28,500 He started using drugs, getting 630 00:32:28,542 --> 00:32:29,792 in with the wrong people. 631 00:32:29,792 --> 00:32:32,500 People that did dope and heroin. 632 00:32:32,625 --> 00:32:36,167 And he just started acting out. 633 00:32:36,250 --> 00:32:38,917 He would put himself in situations 634 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,583 where he would get arrested. 635 00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:43,208 All of his crimes have been really, really petty stupid. 636 00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:45,250 Things like stealing some liquor out 637 00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:49,542 of a store, violation of probation due to dirty urine. 638 00:32:49,667 --> 00:32:51,167 So it extends the probation. 639 00:33:01,125 --> 00:33:03,083 TIFFANY: After he got out of prison, he was sober. 640 00:33:03,167 --> 00:33:05,917 And Tim came to live with me. 641 00:33:05,917 --> 00:33:07,458 At first, it was wonderful. 642 00:33:07,542 --> 00:33:10,417 We developed the best relationship we've ever had. 643 00:33:10,542 --> 00:33:13,042 Everything was an adventure because Tim, when 644 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:16,917 he's doing well, is the most fun, coolest person 645 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,458 you will ever meet. 646 00:33:18,542 --> 00:33:22,167 But after a couple of months, it all went south. 647 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,958 Tim started using heroin. 648 00:33:24,042 --> 00:33:25,583 He started using cocaine. 649 00:33:25,667 --> 00:33:29,458 He was drinking heavily again. 650 00:33:29,542 --> 00:33:33,208 I wanted to be clean and not have to worry about anything, 651 00:33:33,208 --> 00:33:38,250 but a lot of violence happened to me in jail. 652 00:33:38,333 --> 00:33:42,333 And I was forced to do things that I didn't want to do. 653 00:33:42,458 --> 00:33:46,250 I can't really get into specifics because I don't 654 00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:49,875 know if I could get arrested still 655 00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:52,000 or the statute of limitations. 656 00:33:52,083 --> 00:33:53,125 I don't know. 657 00:33:58,292 --> 00:34:01,167 Now things are worse than ever. 658 00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:04,667 He's doing fentanyl every day. 659 00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:06,167 TIM: It's so bad. 660 00:34:06,208 --> 00:34:09,583 Like I'm so deep into this drug addiction. 661 00:34:09,708 --> 00:34:10,667 I'm so deep. 662 00:34:14,042 --> 00:34:16,125 Speaking of, I'm starting to get a little sick. 663 00:34:21,375 --> 00:34:24,917 Tim has absolutely no control over his life. 664 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,458 That's pretty much it. 665 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:28,875 Thank you making me look good, Tim. 666 00:34:28,958 --> 00:34:31,542 Without my parents taking care of him, 667 00:34:31,625 --> 00:34:35,417 he would be on the streets, homeless, or in jail, or dead. 668 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:42,708 Well. 669 00:34:45,542 --> 00:34:46,625 Nothing crazy. 670 00:34:46,708 --> 00:34:48,333 How much are you asking? 671 00:34:48,417 --> 00:34:49,792 Just $20. 672 00:34:49,875 --> 00:34:50,667 Yeah. 673 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:52,042 Yeah, I guess so. 674 00:34:52,125 --> 00:34:57,958 I've been enabling him by giving him money. 675 00:34:58,042 --> 00:35:01,042 And it's wrong. 676 00:35:01,125 --> 00:35:04,500 I'm not giving him money for drugs. 677 00:35:04,542 --> 00:35:07,208 I was giving him money for living expenses. 678 00:35:07,292 --> 00:35:10,208 But that's kind of this sorry excuse. 679 00:35:13,167 --> 00:35:13,958 Thank you. 680 00:35:14,042 --> 00:35:15,042 I love you, guys. 681 00:35:15,125 --> 00:35:16,083 Love you too, baby. 682 00:35:31,042 --> 00:35:32,375 Probably shouldn't have done that. 683 00:35:47,167 --> 00:35:50,250 I want to get this done, so I can get paid. 684 00:35:53,208 --> 00:35:53,958 Right now, it is. 685 00:35:54,042 --> 00:35:55,083 Yeah. 686 00:35:55,208 --> 00:35:56,875 I got 10 orders after-- 687 00:35:56,958 --> 00:35:58,000 not 10. 688 00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:00,042 Like maybe four to six definite. 689 00:36:00,125 --> 00:36:01,000 They're little ones. 690 00:36:01,125 --> 00:36:02,500 They're like 3 to 4 feet. 691 00:36:02,583 --> 00:36:08,458 And I could bang one out a day at $300 to $500. 692 00:36:08,542 --> 00:36:12,000 I won't get out of bed for less than $300. 693 00:36:12,125 --> 00:36:15,000 I mean, I owned a tree removal business. 694 00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:16,375 I used to make-- 695 00:36:16,375 --> 00:36:18,542 I made $17,000 in three days before. 696 00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:24,083 It's been difficult for him to get a job. 697 00:36:24,167 --> 00:36:26,000 In his defense, he has a record. 698 00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:29,167 Anybody does background checks. 699 00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:31,167 And so that's why he started his own business, 700 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:32,292 his tree business. 701 00:36:32,375 --> 00:36:34,292 He had people working for him. 702 00:36:34,375 --> 00:36:36,167 He really had a lot of success. 703 00:36:36,292 --> 00:36:37,792 But there was an accident. 704 00:36:42,625 --> 00:36:44,917 Generally, before the accident, he 705 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,833 would not drink during the job. 706 00:36:46,917 --> 00:36:50,750 So whether his intoxication had anything to do with it, 707 00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:51,750 I don't I don't know. 708 00:36:51,875 --> 00:36:53,292 But he stopped cutting trees. 709 00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:03,875 Tim says when he's dope sick, every fiber in your being 710 00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:05,958 is just, it's firing. 711 00:37:06,042 --> 00:37:07,750 And it terrifies him. 712 00:37:07,833 --> 00:37:10,958 And so the first thing he does is buy drugs. 713 00:37:11,042 --> 00:37:13,875 [phone ringing] 714 00:37:13,958 --> 00:37:15,042 What up, brother? 715 00:37:15,167 --> 00:37:18,000 I need a half a stick. 716 00:37:18,083 --> 00:37:18,917 All right. 717 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,667 I'll be right there. 718 00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:25,708 I've been sick and got off (Bleep) only because I was forced to 719 00:37:25,792 --> 00:37:27,333 by going to jail. 720 00:37:27,417 --> 00:37:30,708 It was the worst nightmare. 721 00:37:30,792 --> 00:37:31,708 Trust me. 722 00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:41,167 What's up, dawg? 723 00:37:41,208 --> 00:37:44,125 Tim told me that one time when he had gone to jail, withdrawal 724 00:37:44,208 --> 00:37:45,833 was so painful that he would actually 725 00:37:45,875 --> 00:37:49,208 throw himself up against the cement wall 726 00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:52,125 to knock himself out. 727 00:37:52,208 --> 00:37:53,875 That was his way of dealing with the pain. 728 00:37:57,917 --> 00:38:01,500 So I got two dimes of crack and five bundles of fentanyl. 729 00:38:07,708 --> 00:38:09,833 I'm so worried all the time about him. 730 00:38:09,958 --> 00:38:15,167 There was one time in his 20s, he overdosed. 731 00:38:15,292 --> 00:38:18,958 I heard this loud thud downstairs. 732 00:38:19,042 --> 00:38:23,375 And as I turned the corner, I saw Tim's legs horizontally 733 00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,083 sticking out of the bathroom. 734 00:38:25,167 --> 00:38:26,000 He was blue. 735 00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:27,292 He had passed out. 736 00:38:27,375 --> 00:38:30,875 Having worked in the hospital in the morgue, 737 00:38:30,958 --> 00:38:33,000 it was the same look ahead seen in the morgue. 738 00:38:33,125 --> 00:38:33,917 It was the look of death. 739 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:42,875 The medics showed up and administered Narcan, 740 00:38:42,875 --> 00:38:44,708 and he came to. 741 00:38:44,708 --> 00:38:47,792 They took him to the hospital. 742 00:38:47,792 --> 00:38:49,250 It was terrible. 743 00:38:49,375 --> 00:38:51,792 He would have died if Mark hadn't have been home. 744 00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:02,375 I am. 745 00:39:02,458 --> 00:39:05,333 I'm not worried about OD'ing at all. 746 00:39:05,417 --> 00:39:07,667 That scares me, seeing as my kid's 747 00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:10,083 father died of an overdose. 748 00:39:10,167 --> 00:39:11,583 That's what I do. 749 00:39:11,708 --> 00:39:15,417 I just straight (Bleep) dedicate myself all day. 750 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,792 DARREN: Thank you for being willing to talk with me. 751 00:39:28,875 --> 00:39:30,000 I appreciate you coming. 752 00:39:30,042 --> 00:39:31,417 Absolutely. 753 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,625 The most important thing here is that we 754 00:39:32,708 --> 00:39:34,458 get Tim in a position to make some better 755 00:39:34,542 --> 00:39:35,917 decisions with his life. 756 00:39:36,042 --> 00:39:36,750 Yeah. 757 00:39:44,792 --> 00:39:45,333 OK. 758 00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:46,625 So tell me. 759 00:39:46,708 --> 00:39:48,208 Does Tim ever come to you for cash? 760 00:39:48,292 --> 00:39:50,042 Not anymore. 761 00:39:50,167 --> 00:39:51,500 He used to. 762 00:39:51,542 --> 00:39:54,833 I bought him clothes, food. 763 00:39:54,875 --> 00:39:58,042 I bought him shoes, boots, a car stereo. 764 00:39:58,125 --> 00:39:59,500 I bailed him out of jail. 765 00:39:59,625 --> 00:40:01,083 How were you able to stop? 766 00:40:01,167 --> 00:40:02,792 I put my foot down. 767 00:40:02,875 --> 00:40:07,000 I have my own life I have my own financial responsibilities, 768 00:40:07,083 --> 00:40:09,125 and I can't take care of him. 769 00:40:09,208 --> 00:40:10,917 Right. 770 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,542 What do you think his addiction has cost the family all in, 771 00:40:13,625 --> 00:40:14,917 guess at dollar amount? 772 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,167 Well, I think it's thousands of dollars. 773 00:40:17,208 --> 00:40:18,833 Yeah. 774 00:40:18,875 --> 00:40:21,000 We've all contributed to his addiction 775 00:40:21,042 --> 00:40:27,625 in that we didn't kick him out sooner, didn't set boundaries. 776 00:40:27,708 --> 00:40:30,833 We've given him money when he's had to have it. 777 00:40:30,917 --> 00:40:36,833 We probably have contributed today, very sorry to say. 778 00:40:36,917 --> 00:40:39,750 So Tim has gone through life very comfortable 779 00:40:39,833 --> 00:40:41,708 with the arrangement he's got with mom and dad. 780 00:40:41,792 --> 00:40:44,750 Out of what they feel to be love and concern, 781 00:40:44,833 --> 00:40:47,125 they have tried to help him manage his addiction 782 00:40:47,208 --> 00:40:49,000 by mitigating the consequences. 783 00:40:49,083 --> 00:40:50,708 Yeah. 784 00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:52,875 The fear has always been that we're going to lose him. 785 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,542 In my book, to not be complicit in Tim harming 786 00:40:56,625 --> 00:40:58,583 himself is where we got to be. 787 00:40:58,667 --> 00:41:02,000 And today, your mom and dad are sitting in the MVP chair. 788 00:41:02,083 --> 00:41:04,208 They're the most important people here because they've 789 00:41:04,292 --> 00:41:05,792 been his biggest enablers. 790 00:41:05,875 --> 00:41:07,458 Yeah. 791 00:41:07,542 --> 00:41:09,333 His mom, she's a lot like me. 792 00:41:09,375 --> 00:41:14,250 A mother that feels so much guilt that she 793 00:41:14,333 --> 00:41:16,333 gives him whatever he wants. 794 00:41:16,417 --> 00:41:19,750 Other people may say, how could you do that? 795 00:41:19,833 --> 00:41:23,875 But these choices that we've made, it's been out of just 796 00:41:23,958 --> 00:41:25,500 desperation. 797 00:41:25,625 --> 00:41:31,125 How much does Tim transfer the need for mom to his need 798 00:41:31,208 --> 00:41:32,375 to Jessica? 799 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:35,458 They are interchangeable pretty much. 800 00:41:35,542 --> 00:41:38,542 He can't survive on his own in any way. 801 00:41:38,625 --> 00:41:40,917 He can't take care of himself. 802 00:41:41,042 --> 00:41:43,667 Tim's mom and his dad taught him to be helpless. 803 00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:45,625 And right now, it pays off for him 804 00:41:45,708 --> 00:41:47,667 to do just enough to keep mom and dad happy, 805 00:41:47,708 --> 00:41:49,833 just enough to keep Jessica happy. 806 00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:53,833 And what we need to do for Tim is take the enabling away 807 00:41:53,875 --> 00:41:57,792 and allow him to feel that life's consequences are 808 00:41:57,875 --> 00:41:59,125 coming for him. 809 00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:00,500 He's only hanging on to the bottom of the barrel 810 00:42:00,583 --> 00:42:02,750 because he's got Jessica on one side, 811 00:42:02,833 --> 00:42:04,708 and he's got mom and dad on the other. 812 00:42:04,792 --> 00:42:05,833 Yeah. 813 00:42:05,917 --> 00:42:08,042 Are you willing to push your mom and dad 814 00:42:08,125 --> 00:42:09,333 should they get cold feet? 815 00:42:09,417 --> 00:42:10,208 Yes. 816 00:42:10,333 --> 00:42:12,417 Cut off the resources. 817 00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:15,625 Cut off the resources because Tim won't consider changing 818 00:42:15,708 --> 00:42:16,875 until the family changes. 819 00:42:22,333 --> 00:42:24,833 I've been hooked on punching all for about two years. 820 00:42:24,958 --> 00:42:28,667 Tim is addicted to fentanyl, crack, alcohol. 821 00:42:28,750 --> 00:42:30,625 Tim has been in a relationship with Jessica 822 00:42:30,708 --> 00:42:31,625 for a couple of years. 823 00:42:31,708 --> 00:42:33,417 I hope it's not cold. 824 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:34,833 Jessica dotes on Tim. 825 00:42:34,958 --> 00:42:37,500 Jessica's mom and dad have substance history. 826 00:42:37,583 --> 00:42:39,667 Her brother committing suicide and HER husband 827 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:41,125 that passed away of fentanyl. 828 00:42:41,208 --> 00:42:42,500 It's untreated trauma. 829 00:42:42,583 --> 00:42:44,917 He was a chubby kid, and he was picked on. 830 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000 At 10, I was locked in a bathroom, 831 00:42:48,125 --> 00:42:52,042 and A kid sprayed oven cleaner under the door. 832 00:42:52,167 --> 00:42:54,500 Your mom and dad, they've been his biggest enablers. 833 00:42:54,583 --> 00:42:55,833 How much are you asking for? 834 00:42:55,917 --> 00:42:57,083 Just $20. 835 00:42:57,167 --> 00:42:58,125 Thank you. 836 00:42:58,208 --> 00:42:59,458 Time is of the essence. 837 00:42:59,542 --> 00:43:00,917 They get sicker and sicker by the day. 838 00:43:01,042 --> 00:43:02,958 We've definitely got our work cut out for us. 839 00:43:14,708 --> 00:43:15,667 ZACH: You must be Louise. 840 00:43:15,792 --> 00:43:16,542 LOUISE: Yes, I am. 841 00:43:16,625 --> 00:43:17,833 Come on in. 842 00:43:17,917 --> 00:43:19,667 Appreciate you having me over. 843 00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:22,083 We appreciate you taking the time to come and talk to us. 844 00:43:22,167 --> 00:43:23,083 Of course. 845 00:43:23,167 --> 00:43:24,667 So what I want to do today is just 846 00:43:24,792 --> 00:43:26,375 grab as much info as possible. 847 00:43:26,458 --> 00:43:29,250 We just want to get the best picture that we possibly can, 848 00:43:29,333 --> 00:43:30,458 so we can plan accordingly. 849 00:43:30,542 --> 00:43:32,042 That way, we can make this a success. 850 00:43:32,125 --> 00:43:35,583 So Don, can you talk to me about anything that you could 851 00:43:35,667 --> 00:43:37,875 perceive as potential trauma? 852 00:43:37,958 --> 00:43:39,500 When it comes to addiction, that's 853 00:43:39,542 --> 00:43:41,417 usually set off with like a catalyst, 854 00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,125 a trauma, an incident. 855 00:43:43,208 --> 00:43:47,167 I know she had a hard time when Ricky was alive. 856 00:43:47,208 --> 00:43:49,833 Their relationship always scared the hell out of me. 857 00:43:49,958 --> 00:43:51,583 Can you talk to me about that? 858 00:43:51,708 --> 00:43:53,417 Can you walk me through like what that looked like? 859 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:54,333 They fight a lot. 860 00:43:54,417 --> 00:43:55,167 Was it verbal? 861 00:43:55,208 --> 00:43:56,333 Was it physical? 862 00:43:56,417 --> 00:43:57,875 Both. 863 00:43:57,958 --> 00:43:59,417 I used to give Jessie my old cars, fixed them up 864 00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:00,833 and give them to her. 865 00:44:00,917 --> 00:44:02,625 In case she needed an escape route, 866 00:44:02,708 --> 00:44:05,250 she could just go turn the key and leave. 867 00:44:05,333 --> 00:44:06,792 She never did. 868 00:44:06,875 --> 00:44:10,458 I was learning a lot about what abuse was. 869 00:44:10,542 --> 00:44:15,375 But he needed me so much, I stayed. 870 00:44:15,542 --> 00:44:19,000 I was fighting for me and my children, 871 00:44:19,083 --> 00:44:21,875 and he was getting sicker and sicker. 872 00:44:21,875 --> 00:44:27,917 And I prayed every night that God would help him and give us 873 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,458 a better chance at a real life. 874 00:44:31,542 --> 00:44:35,333 When her husband passed away, how did you see her respond? 875 00:44:35,417 --> 00:44:36,917 I really can't tell you because I 876 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,583 didn't see much of her. ZACH: How come? 877 00:44:38,667 --> 00:44:40,375 I guess she just stayed away because she 878 00:44:40,458 --> 00:44:41,875 had three kids to raise. 879 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,167 So we weren't really close after Ricky passed away. 880 00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:47,833 With Jessica, it'd be easy to make the connection 881 00:44:47,917 --> 00:44:52,500 of her having a sense of my first relationship 882 00:44:52,542 --> 00:44:54,375 failed via death. 883 00:44:54,542 --> 00:44:56,125 Therefore, I failed. 884 00:44:56,208 --> 00:44:58,792 Jessica needs somebody to fix, to, quote unquote, 885 00:44:58,875 --> 00:45:02,333 redeem herself from the husband that passed away fentanyl. 886 00:45:02,417 --> 00:45:04,125 That's the real drug of choice. 887 00:45:04,208 --> 00:45:07,125 In what ways so far have you guys tried to help Jessica? 888 00:45:07,208 --> 00:45:08,875 Well, I've been just paying the mortgage 889 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,625 because it's my house, and my stuff was in there. 890 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:11,750 OK. 891 00:45:11,833 --> 00:45:13,208 And for the last year and a half, 892 00:45:13,292 --> 00:45:14,667 hasn't paid any utilities. 893 00:45:14,792 --> 00:45:16,667 So we're footing the bill. 894 00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:19,125 And with her dealing with Tim and everything, 895 00:45:19,208 --> 00:45:21,167 a lot of my stuff just wound up missing. 896 00:45:21,208 --> 00:45:25,042 Things got really bad once Tim came into the picture. 897 00:45:25,125 --> 00:45:27,708 Jessica's dad paying her bills, 898 00:45:27,833 --> 00:45:30,083 putting a roof over her head is going 899 00:45:30,083 --> 00:45:32,125 to be a hurdle because she has the kids, 900 00:45:32,208 --> 00:45:34,375 and she can hide behind that guise of I 901 00:45:34,542 --> 00:45:36,208 need this to feed them. 902 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:40,292 Effective immediately, we have to curve any enabling 903 00:45:40,375 --> 00:45:41,750 that we provide to her. 904 00:45:41,833 --> 00:45:43,250 Which is very difficult. 905 00:45:43,375 --> 00:45:44,750 It is. 906 00:45:44,833 --> 00:45:47,417 But our enablement of Jessica allows Jessica 907 00:45:47,542 --> 00:45:50,917 to do what Jessica does and also adds fuel to the fire for her 908 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,083 to be able to enable 10 more. 909 00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:54,958 It really is like a perfect storm here. 910 00:45:55,042 --> 00:45:56,125 Yeah. 911 00:45:56,208 --> 00:45:57,958 Tim and Jessica being in a relationship 912 00:45:58,042 --> 00:46:00,375 complicates their ability to get sober. 913 00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:03,208 Especially with Jessica, it's going to be like having 914 00:46:03,292 --> 00:46:04,625 two withdrawals at once. 915 00:46:04,708 --> 00:46:07,167 One from fentanyl, the other one from Tim. 916 00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:10,125 I want to be real clear, like this is life and death for her. 917 00:46:21,167 --> 00:46:21,875 Hello. 918 00:46:21,958 --> 00:46:23,125 Hey. JAY: What's going on? 919 00:46:23,208 --> 00:46:24,125 What's up? JAY: How are you? 920 00:46:24,208 --> 00:46:24,833 Good. 921 00:46:24,875 --> 00:46:25,750 How have you been? 922 00:46:28,375 --> 00:46:29,125 Hey. 923 00:46:29,208 --> 00:46:30,333 Hey, honey. 924 00:46:30,417 --> 00:46:31,500 How you doing? 925 00:46:31,625 --> 00:46:33,250 Is that your coloring book? 926 00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:35,167 You haven't seen Uncle Timmy for a while, huh? 927 00:46:35,250 --> 00:46:36,208 Wow. 928 00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:37,667 That's awesome. 929 00:46:37,708 --> 00:46:39,542 I got to use the bathroom real quick. 930 00:46:39,542 --> 00:46:40,625 I'm just going to take a leak. 931 00:46:40,708 --> 00:46:42,292 I'll be right back. 932 00:46:42,375 --> 00:46:44,500 What do you think he's doing in the bathroom? 933 00:46:44,583 --> 00:46:45,333 I don't know. 934 00:46:45,458 --> 00:46:47,750 You tell me. 935 00:46:47,833 --> 00:46:49,708 I see Tim very rarely. 936 00:46:49,875 --> 00:46:53,458 The addiction has made it impossible to have a 937 00:46:53,542 --> 00:46:56,292 true, meaningful relationship. 938 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,750 When I first had my six-year-old daughter Lilly, 939 00:47:01,875 --> 00:47:05,958 I was hopeful that Tim was going to be in her life. 940 00:47:06,042 --> 00:47:09,083 But Lilly and Tim have never developed 941 00:47:09,208 --> 00:47:11,875 a relationship because doing drugs 942 00:47:11,958 --> 00:47:17,917 is like breathing for Tim. 943 00:47:18,042 --> 00:47:21,667 I think it's more important to him than anything. 944 00:47:21,792 --> 00:47:23,833 So how's the bear going? 945 00:47:23,875 --> 00:47:25,833 The big bear? 946 00:47:25,875 --> 00:47:27,667 It's all right. 947 00:47:27,708 --> 00:47:29,083 What do you mean? 948 00:47:29,167 --> 00:47:31,042 Did you sneeze and cut off an air or something? 949 00:47:34,208 --> 00:47:37,375 I'm not 100% happy, but they're happy. 950 00:47:37,458 --> 00:47:38,375 They're real happy. 951 00:47:38,458 --> 00:47:40,458 I just, I'm not as happy. 952 00:47:40,542 --> 00:47:41,958 JAY: That's the part. 953 00:47:42,042 --> 00:47:44,375 You have the opportunity, and you have the skill. 954 00:47:44,458 --> 00:47:47,333 But you need to actually be able to maintain. 955 00:47:47,417 --> 00:47:50,833 It's hard to maintain when you wake up sick. 956 00:47:50,917 --> 00:47:52,625 Like my blood pressure is high. 957 00:47:52,625 --> 00:47:56,167 Sometimes, I could feel my heart beating through my eyeballs. 958 00:47:56,292 --> 00:47:58,625 Do you have any idea how bad that is for you? 959 00:47:58,708 --> 00:47:59,833 Is it really? 960 00:47:59,875 --> 00:48:02,000 Do you know what can happen to you? 961 00:48:02,042 --> 00:48:03,500 Yeah, like a stroke or something? 962 00:48:03,542 --> 00:48:05,458 Kidney failure? 963 00:48:05,542 --> 00:48:08,750 I'm a dialysis nurse, and I've confronted him about 964 00:48:08,833 --> 00:48:11,000 his addiction many, many times. 965 00:48:11,083 --> 00:48:14,000 I've had so many talks with him. 966 00:48:14,042 --> 00:48:16,958 I don't believe I really ever have gotten through to him. 967 00:48:17,042 --> 00:48:20,083 My habit is bad. 968 00:48:20,167 --> 00:48:24,500 I don't even know how I'm still alive honestly. 969 00:48:24,583 --> 00:48:29,333 I don't know how exactly what's going to happen. 970 00:48:29,417 --> 00:48:30,833 I love you guys. 971 00:48:30,917 --> 00:48:33,458 I love all three of you guys very much. 972 00:48:33,542 --> 00:48:38,125 And I want to be there for you guys, especially her, 973 00:48:38,208 --> 00:48:39,417 and I know I haven't been. 974 00:48:58,917 --> 00:49:01,375 I'm the only one at all our family 975 00:49:01,458 --> 00:49:04,042 and extended family that's (Bleep) up. 976 00:49:11,292 --> 00:49:14,500 I just want to be a part of a good family structure 977 00:49:14,583 --> 00:49:17,333 that we have. 978 00:49:17,375 --> 00:49:18,750 And I'm not. 979 00:49:18,833 --> 00:49:20,125 We love you. 980 00:49:20,208 --> 00:49:24,000 I love you guys too. 981 00:49:24,083 --> 00:49:28,167 I'm so sorry, Tiff, that I haven't been there for you. 982 00:49:28,208 --> 00:49:29,583 This can't go on forever. 983 00:49:44,167 --> 00:49:46,000 Stop talking about her. 984 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,333 I don't give a (Bleep) about her. 985 00:49:51,875 --> 00:49:53,500 How does she not know that? 986 00:49:53,583 --> 00:49:58,333 I haven't talked to her or seen her in person in years. 987 00:50:07,458 --> 00:50:09,667 What the (Bleep) are you talking about? 988 00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:13,000 Lisa is Tim's ex-girlfriend. 989 00:50:13,083 --> 00:50:17,167 They dated for quite a few years many years ago. 990 00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:20,750 Their relationship ended because of Tim's addiction. 991 00:50:20,833 --> 00:50:22,667 She wouldn't let me do drugs. 992 00:50:22,708 --> 00:50:27,333 She was like, you're not coming in the house if you do drugs. 993 00:50:32,875 --> 00:50:34,875 Lisa was total opposite of Jessica. 994 00:50:34,958 --> 00:50:36,833 I still love Lisa, but they're not 995 00:50:36,917 --> 00:50:39,250 together now, even though Jessica 996 00:50:39,333 --> 00:50:41,208 keeps thinking that they are. 997 00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:46,083 He pulls her back in whenever he's either afraid 998 00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:48,750 that I'm going to leave him or talking to someone else, 999 00:50:48,833 --> 00:50:50,292 talking to other men. 1000 00:50:50,375 --> 00:50:54,000 He'll reach out to her to get me jealous. 1001 00:50:56,542 --> 00:50:57,375 And it works. 1002 00:51:04,292 --> 00:51:07,292 If you would forget about Lisa, this would not exist. 1003 00:51:08,875 --> 00:51:09,875 Lisa who? 1004 00:51:09,958 --> 00:51:11,542 I already forgot about her. 1005 00:51:12,708 --> 00:51:13,875 Come over. 1006 00:51:13,958 --> 00:51:16,375 Let's call her together, even though that 1007 00:51:16,458 --> 00:51:18,417 would just reignite (Bleep). 1008 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,542 Oh, my phone just died. 1009 00:51:24,625 --> 00:51:25,917 (Bleep). 1010 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,625 I honestly love the (Bleep) out of Jess. 1011 00:51:28,708 --> 00:51:31,792 But Jess is the one that looks her up, 1012 00:51:31,875 --> 00:51:34,375 and it's a (Bleep) up situation. 1013 00:51:41,792 --> 00:51:42,542 Hey. 1014 00:51:45,375 --> 00:51:47,042 You still want to argue with me? 1015 00:51:54,958 --> 00:51:57,792 What can I say that makes you mad? 1016 00:51:57,875 --> 00:51:58,917 No. 1017 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,417 I'm not going to argue with you. 1018 00:52:01,542 --> 00:52:03,875 It's hard to tell if Tim and Jessica are in love because 1019 00:52:03,958 --> 00:52:06,500 of the drugs that they're using and the enmeshment that they 1020 00:52:06,625 --> 00:52:07,292 have. 1021 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:10,167 That could appear a lot like love between a man and a woman 1022 00:52:10,208 --> 00:52:13,667 when they're both whacked out on fentanyl. 1023 00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:18,375 I only had like what equates to two bags today. 1024 00:52:18,458 --> 00:52:20,667 I'm tired, and I don't feel good. 1025 00:52:20,708 --> 00:52:21,792 Say you're sorry. 1026 00:52:21,875 --> 00:52:22,667 No. 1027 00:52:22,833 --> 00:52:23,500 I'm not sorry. 1028 00:52:23,583 --> 00:52:24,583 Say you're sorry. 1029 00:52:24,667 --> 00:52:26,333 So I don't want nothing from you then, 1030 00:52:26,417 --> 00:52:27,500 no, because I'm not sorry. - I'm just (Bleep) with you. 1031 00:52:27,542 --> 00:52:29,000 Relax. 1032 00:52:29,042 --> 00:52:30,833 Well, I don't like when you play around when it's serious. 1033 00:52:30,875 --> 00:52:31,833 Like I'm serious. 1034 00:52:31,917 --> 00:52:32,792 Here. 1035 00:52:32,875 --> 00:52:33,625 I got you. 1036 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,125 Here. 1037 00:52:39,208 --> 00:52:40,792 How many do you want? 1038 00:52:40,792 --> 00:52:42,125 One for right now. 1039 00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:43,625 I'll give you more than one. 1040 00:52:43,708 --> 00:52:48,542 That's the one, two. 1041 00:52:48,625 --> 00:52:49,625 That's good. 1042 00:52:49,708 --> 00:52:52,042 Are you sure? 1043 00:52:52,125 --> 00:52:55,167 You don't want three? 1044 00:52:55,208 --> 00:52:56,417 Jessica's getting more and more 1045 00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:58,792 sucked into drugs being with Tim because I 1046 00:52:58,875 --> 00:53:00,500 don't see any way out of it. 1047 00:53:00,583 --> 00:53:02,667 I see an early grave for her. 1048 00:53:02,833 --> 00:53:05,000 Baby, don't be so upset. 1049 00:53:05,125 --> 00:53:06,125 Baby, I am upset. 1050 00:53:06,208 --> 00:53:07,583 Try to be in a good mood. 1051 00:53:07,667 --> 00:53:08,250 JESSICA: No. 1052 00:53:08,375 --> 00:53:09,250 I'm not in a good mood. 1053 00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:10,375 TIM: Just relax, yo. 1054 00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:12,833 Just sit down and relax. 1055 00:53:12,917 --> 00:53:16,000 Let's watch TV and relax. 1056 00:53:16,042 --> 00:53:18,625 [phone ringing] 1057 00:53:18,708 --> 00:53:19,500 Yo. 1058 00:53:19,583 --> 00:53:20,792 What up, bro? 1059 00:53:20,875 --> 00:53:23,417 We're just chilling at the crib right now, bro. 1060 00:53:23,542 --> 00:53:25,875 If you want to come through, you can come through. 1061 00:53:25,958 --> 00:53:28,667 Like tonight is a good time. 1062 00:53:28,708 --> 00:53:29,750 Yeah. 1063 00:53:29,833 --> 00:53:31,167 Come over, bro, if you want. 1064 00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:33,167 I'm so (Bleep) mad at you right now. 1065 00:53:35,875 --> 00:53:37,167 Oh, my god. 1066 00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:42,750 It's not that big of a deal, yo. 1067 00:53:42,833 --> 00:53:45,500 I was mad because you were telling me 1068 00:53:45,542 --> 00:53:50,125 you wanted to leave me over me doing something 1069 00:53:50,125 --> 00:53:52,208 that I (Bleep) didn't fully do. 1070 00:53:52,292 --> 00:53:53,875 JESSICA: That's not what happened. 1071 00:53:53,958 --> 00:53:55,083 What happened then? 1072 00:53:55,167 --> 00:53:56,958 I'm upset now, and you want people 1073 00:53:56,958 --> 00:53:58,167 to come over when I'm upset. 1074 00:53:58,292 --> 00:54:00,708 We haven't even like made up. 1075 00:54:00,792 --> 00:54:02,167 We haven't even-- 1076 00:54:02,292 --> 00:54:04,208 I hugged you when you came in, and we said, OK. 1077 00:54:04,292 --> 00:54:05,667 I'm sorry. 1078 00:54:05,708 --> 00:54:07,875 You don't have to hold grudges for everything. 1079 00:54:07,958 --> 00:54:10,000 Let's move forward. 1080 00:54:10,083 --> 00:54:13,208 Like it changed-- 1081 00:54:13,292 --> 00:54:15,542 like I don't even know what's happening right now. 1082 00:54:15,542 --> 00:54:18,625 This is what I'm talking about when she can't let (Bleep) go. 1083 00:54:18,708 --> 00:54:22,125 This will go on for (Bleep) a week. 1084 00:54:22,208 --> 00:54:22,875 JESSICA: Liar. 1085 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:23,917 You liar. 1086 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:24,750 You liar. 1087 00:54:28,083 --> 00:54:28,875 It hurts. 1088 00:54:39,875 --> 00:54:41,500 Oh, my god. 1089 00:54:41,583 --> 00:54:45,375 When he's intoxicated, he turns into another person. 1090 00:54:45,458 --> 00:54:47,083 Tim Dog takes over. 1091 00:54:47,208 --> 00:54:50,625 He's very disrespectful and argumentative. 1092 00:54:50,625 --> 00:54:55,000 You can't put it all on me because it's not all on me. 1093 00:54:55,083 --> 00:54:59,542 When we were on the phone, we said we were going to talk. 1094 00:55:03,167 --> 00:55:04,542 I apologize. 1095 00:55:04,625 --> 00:55:07,375 I got a little bit pissed off because I read-- 1096 00:55:07,458 --> 00:55:10,500 I read the text that you sent me. 1097 00:55:10,542 --> 00:55:12,208 You're on something like I could leave 1098 00:55:12,292 --> 00:55:14,875 you in the drop of a dime. 1099 00:55:14,958 --> 00:55:20,000 That (Bleep) makes me feel like our relationship has no stability, 1100 00:55:20,125 --> 00:55:23,000 as if I just met you last week. 1101 00:55:23,083 --> 00:55:26,000 I am getting tired. 1102 00:55:26,042 --> 00:55:28,500 I have been tired. 1103 00:55:28,583 --> 00:55:31,667 I have been telling you for a long time 1104 00:55:31,708 --> 00:55:35,667 that I can't take much more. 1105 00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:38,542 [ring tone] 1106 00:55:38,542 --> 00:55:39,417 Wagner. 1107 00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:41,292 Oh, good lord. 1108 00:55:41,375 --> 00:55:42,292 Wagner. 1109 00:55:42,375 --> 00:55:43,958 I don't want him here. 1110 00:55:46,667 --> 00:55:49,125 Yo, Swagner is going to stop by. 1111 00:55:49,208 --> 00:55:50,333 Hey, don't. 1112 00:55:50,458 --> 00:55:51,667 Yo, please don't give me a hard time. 1113 00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:53,875 He's only going to be here for a second. 1114 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,875 Sometimes, I want to leave him, and he's aware. 1115 00:55:56,958 --> 00:56:02,417 But I have a very hard time with letting go of people. 1116 00:56:09,208 --> 00:56:11,042 What up, bro? 1117 00:56:11,125 --> 00:56:12,708 I've been drinking too. 1118 00:56:12,833 --> 00:56:17,667 With Tim and Jess, it's like this constant roller coaster. 1119 00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:18,667 What up, y'all? 1120 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:19,958 What's going on. 1121 00:56:20,042 --> 00:56:21,375 I didn't know you had all this going on. 1122 00:56:21,458 --> 00:56:23,250 They're not the same in any way, shape, 1123 00:56:23,333 --> 00:56:25,625 or form, except for the drugs. 1124 00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:33,958 Can we get a lighter? 1125 00:56:42,167 --> 00:56:43,833 It's just a scary thing. 1126 00:56:43,958 --> 00:56:45,083 And they both need help. 1127 00:56:45,208 --> 00:56:46,500 They need to separate. 1128 00:56:46,583 --> 00:56:49,500 They need to work on themselves. 1129 00:56:49,625 --> 00:56:51,042 I'm like really angry. 1130 00:56:54,125 --> 00:56:57,000 This is not living. 1131 00:56:57,083 --> 00:57:00,250 But I am very addicted to Tim. 1132 00:57:00,333 --> 00:57:03,500 Even if I were to leave Tim, I would 1133 00:57:03,542 --> 00:57:06,875 call him back for the drugs. 1134 00:57:18,833 --> 00:57:21,000 Thank you guys for all being willing to be here today. 1135 00:57:21,083 --> 00:57:23,667 I know this is going to be tough for everybody involved. 1136 00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:25,833 But we're all going to be moving in the same direction. 1137 00:57:25,875 --> 00:57:27,833 We know we're battling not just addiction, 1138 00:57:27,833 --> 00:57:29,833 but we're battling codependency. 1139 00:57:29,917 --> 00:57:32,917 We're also fighting a very sick and toxic relationship. 1140 00:57:38,292 --> 00:57:41,208 Both Tim and Jessica are symptomatic of sick families. 1141 00:57:41,292 --> 00:57:44,500 The fact that both of these guys are now in their mid 40s 1142 00:57:44,542 --> 00:57:46,708 and have been enabled to get this sick 1143 00:57:46,792 --> 00:57:49,333 by each of their families means that they have been failed. 1144 00:57:49,375 --> 00:57:52,375 So we're going to have action plans that include everyone, 1145 00:57:52,375 --> 00:57:53,958 and we're all going to move forward. 1146 00:57:54,042 --> 00:57:56,500 We're going to lead you all in writing some letters. 1147 00:57:56,542 --> 00:57:58,833 But first, I want to talk about bottom lines. 1148 00:57:58,875 --> 00:58:03,208 For both Jessica and for Tim, bottom lines are consequences. 1149 00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:08,125 For Tim, going back almost 30 years now, in Tim's mind, 1150 00:58:08,208 --> 00:58:12,333 he's got his number one advocate, this safety net. 1151 00:58:12,417 --> 00:58:13,750 A mom. 1152 00:58:13,875 --> 00:58:15,333 You know, he's been through some rough times. 1153 00:58:15,458 --> 00:58:16,958 And I just feel bad for him. 1154 00:58:17,042 --> 00:58:20,333 And so I just always want to make things better for him. 1155 00:58:20,417 --> 00:58:22,542 But your kindness isn't generosity, 1156 00:58:22,667 --> 00:58:24,792 and fears have kept him housed in safe. 1157 00:58:24,875 --> 00:58:28,083 And for us to move forward with Tim, 1158 00:58:28,167 --> 00:58:30,583 you have to say, hey, we love you so much that we're going 1159 00:58:30,667 --> 00:58:32,500 to let you be uncomfortable. 1160 00:58:32,583 --> 00:58:34,250 We can no longer house you here. 1161 00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:37,167 We can no longer support you financially, right? 1162 00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:41,083 If Tim declines tomorrow, will Tim be financially supported? 1163 00:58:41,167 --> 00:58:42,583 No. 1164 00:58:42,667 --> 00:58:44,750 DARREN: Are you going to allow him in your home? 1165 00:58:44,833 --> 00:58:46,458 No. 1166 00:58:46,542 --> 00:58:48,917 ZACK: Effective when? 1167 00:58:49,042 --> 00:58:49,708 Immediately. 1168 00:58:49,792 --> 00:58:50,917 Good. 1169 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,833 And for you with communication, 1170 00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:55,042 it's not that I'm turning my back on you. 1171 00:58:55,125 --> 00:58:57,500 It's I will only talk to you if you're 1172 00:58:57,583 --> 00:58:58,958 ready to talk about treatment. 1173 00:58:59,042 --> 00:59:00,250 OK. 1174 00:59:00,375 --> 00:59:02,167 Do you think that you're up for it? 1175 00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:03,375 I have to be. 1176 00:59:03,458 --> 00:59:05,708 I will. 1177 00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:12,042 It's going to be hard because he does rely on me a lot. 1178 00:59:12,125 --> 00:59:13,583 It's a little scary. 1179 00:59:13,708 --> 00:59:15,917 But I'm going to have to be tougher than I've ever been. 1180 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,208 But yeah. 1181 00:59:17,333 --> 00:59:18,958 I'm afraid. 1182 00:59:19,042 --> 00:59:20,708 I'm worried that he's going to have to go through a lot 1183 00:59:20,792 --> 00:59:24,042 of pain, suffering. 1184 00:59:24,125 --> 00:59:25,042 I love him. 1185 00:59:25,125 --> 00:59:27,750 Now if we pivoted over and related 1186 00:59:27,875 --> 00:59:29,833 the same kind of things going on with Jessica, 1187 00:59:29,917 --> 00:59:31,375 like we can see it there too. 1188 00:59:31,458 --> 00:59:32,917 Absolutely. 1189 00:59:33,042 --> 00:59:37,542 I told Don that I want him to shut down the house. 1190 00:59:37,667 --> 00:59:38,833 Shut it down. 1191 00:59:38,875 --> 00:59:40,667 And Don is willing to do that, correct? 1192 00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:42,833 Well, we've been wanting to do it. 1193 00:59:42,833 --> 00:59:43,750 Good. 1194 00:59:43,875 --> 00:59:45,458 We need to get that on the market 1195 00:59:45,542 --> 00:59:48,333 and sold because that whole situation has 1196 00:59:48,375 --> 00:59:52,542 just enabled Jess, and somewhat Tim, 1197 00:59:52,667 --> 00:59:54,458 to continue their addiction. 1198 00:59:54,542 --> 00:59:56,000 Right. 1199 00:59:56,042 --> 00:59:58,000 Are you guys paying the utilities at the home? 1200 00:59:58,042 --> 00:59:59,000 Shut them off. 1201 00:59:59,083 --> 01:00:00,042 Shut them off. 1202 01:00:00,125 --> 01:00:00,958 Right. 1203 01:00:01,042 --> 01:00:01,667 Yep. 1204 01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:03,167 KATHY: We can do it. 1205 01:00:03,167 --> 01:00:07,292 So let's talk about Jess's possible objections 1206 01:00:07,375 --> 01:00:08,333 to going to treatment. 1207 01:00:08,375 --> 01:00:09,583 Well, it's going to be Tim. 1208 01:00:09,667 --> 01:00:10,875 It's going to be Mandy. 1209 01:00:10,958 --> 01:00:12,333 And it's going to be Ricky and Shane. 1210 01:00:12,417 --> 01:00:14,208 We have a situation for the boys. 1211 01:00:14,292 --> 01:00:15,958 So the boys will be OK. 1212 01:00:16,042 --> 01:00:17,542 Where will the boys be going? 1213 01:00:17,625 --> 01:00:18,833 With my other daughter. 1214 01:00:18,958 --> 01:00:19,917 Awesome. 1215 01:00:20,042 --> 01:00:21,750 Mandy is an adult. She has a job. 1216 01:00:21,833 --> 01:00:26,208 She should technically be able to go out on her own. 1217 01:00:26,292 --> 01:00:27,625 Good. 1218 01:00:27,625 --> 01:00:29,458 I want to emphasize and just reemphasize 1219 01:00:29,542 --> 01:00:30,708 and smash home for everybody. 1220 01:00:30,792 --> 01:00:32,750 These are not punitive. 1221 01:00:32,875 --> 01:00:34,917 This is literally I love you so much, 1222 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,583 I'm not looking the other way anymore. 1223 01:00:37,667 --> 01:00:39,708 Moving forward, the enabling that's 1224 01:00:39,792 --> 01:00:42,500 gotten us this far I have no doubt 1225 01:00:42,583 --> 01:00:44,625 has come from a place of love from you guys. 1226 01:00:44,708 --> 01:00:47,667 But refusing to feed this deadly disease 1227 01:00:47,708 --> 01:00:49,458 is not what love and support looks like. 1228 01:00:49,542 --> 01:00:50,875 OK. 1229 01:00:50,958 --> 01:00:52,667 My hope for tomorrow is that these families 1230 01:00:52,750 --> 01:00:54,833 stand in their truth and deliver the message that they're 1231 01:00:54,917 --> 01:00:58,000 no longer willing to sit idly by and watch their loved ones die. 1232 01:00:58,083 --> 01:00:59,833 Tomorrow, the cycle is broken. 1233 01:00:59,875 --> 01:01:01,875 We're going to dismantle it all the way tomorrow. 1234 01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:13,167 Thank you all for joining us this morning. 1235 01:01:13,208 --> 01:01:16,125 A few of you guys have mentioned that this process 1236 01:01:16,208 --> 01:01:17,792 is an answered prayer. 1237 01:01:17,875 --> 01:01:19,500 If it wouldn't offend anybody, I'd like to have one more 1238 01:01:19,542 --> 01:01:21,500 prayer, all of us together. 1239 01:01:21,583 --> 01:01:24,458 I wanted to do Tim and Jessica's intervention separately 1240 01:01:24,542 --> 01:01:26,208 because I thought securing Jessica's 1241 01:01:26,208 --> 01:01:28,292 agreement would likely influence Tim to be 1242 01:01:28,292 --> 01:01:29,500 able to make a good decision. 1243 01:01:29,583 --> 01:01:31,042 Father, we thank You for this opportunity. 1244 01:01:31,125 --> 01:01:33,792 If Jessica agrees to go, I believe 1245 01:01:33,875 --> 01:01:36,042 Jessica is going to be the leverage to get a yes from Tim. 1246 01:01:45,583 --> 01:01:48,083 We thank You for the strength that this family has shown. 1247 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,542 The courage they've come with, to use words of love, 1248 01:01:55,625 --> 01:01:58,750 and kindness, and compassion. 1249 01:01:58,875 --> 01:02:01,375 We ask You to guide every word we choose today. 1250 01:02:01,458 --> 01:02:02,542 We know You're with us. 1251 01:02:02,625 --> 01:02:03,917 We thank You for this opportunity. 1252 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,375 We love You. We thank You. 1253 01:02:05,375 --> 01:02:06,167 Amen. 1254 01:02:06,250 --> 01:02:07,292 Amen. 1255 01:02:07,292 --> 01:02:08,083 All right. 1256 01:02:11,792 --> 01:02:12,542 So one of the push. 1257 01:02:12,625 --> 01:02:15,083 Yeah. 1258 01:02:15,167 --> 01:02:18,000 As Jessica enters, we're going to get up. 1259 01:02:18,083 --> 01:02:20,208 You guys are all going to give her big hugs. 1260 01:02:23,417 --> 01:02:24,250 She'll be here soon. 1261 01:02:27,167 --> 01:02:27,750 All right, guys. 1262 01:02:27,833 --> 01:02:29,000 Let's stand up. 1263 01:02:29,042 --> 01:02:30,625 Let's embrace her like you already 1264 01:02:30,625 --> 01:02:32,708 know this is the thing that's going to change her life. 1265 01:02:42,542 --> 01:02:43,875 Jess. 1266 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,333 Hey. 1267 01:02:45,417 --> 01:02:46,458 Hi. 1268 01:02:46,542 --> 01:02:50,167 Hello, everybody. 1269 01:02:50,250 --> 01:02:53,208 Hi, girl. 1270 01:02:53,292 --> 01:02:54,500 ZACK: Please join us. 1271 01:02:54,583 --> 01:02:56,625 Looks like an intervention I think. 1272 01:02:56,708 --> 01:02:57,750 Well, Jessica. 1273 01:02:57,833 --> 01:02:59,333 This gentlemen is Darren Hobbs. 1274 01:02:59,375 --> 01:03:00,333 Nice to meet you. 1275 01:03:00,417 --> 01:03:01,333 My name is Zach Livingston. 1276 01:03:01,458 --> 01:03:03,042 And this is an intervention. 1277 01:03:03,125 --> 01:03:06,333 This is an opportunity where we get to break some cycles. 1278 01:03:06,458 --> 01:03:09,083 I've asked your family to write some letters. 1279 01:03:09,167 --> 01:03:11,750 Are you open to hearing these letters? 1280 01:03:11,833 --> 01:03:13,000 Sure. DARREN: OK, Don. 1281 01:03:13,167 --> 01:03:14,500 Would you like to read your letter? 1282 01:03:18,708 --> 01:03:20,208 Dear, Jess. 1283 01:03:20,292 --> 01:03:23,667 I love you with all my heart, and I always will. 1284 01:03:23,792 --> 01:03:26,667 You've always been just the best to me. 1285 01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:28,375 And it's very difficult to watch you, 1286 01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:34,208 what you've been dealing with, what you're going through. 1287 01:03:34,292 --> 01:03:39,000 Over the last three years, you seem to be slowly wasting away. 1288 01:03:39,042 --> 01:03:42,333 It pains me that you don't call when you say you will 1289 01:03:42,417 --> 01:03:47,000 and that we hardly get together anymore. 1290 01:03:47,083 --> 01:03:49,542 You promised to look after my house and my belongings, 1291 01:03:49,625 --> 01:03:52,833 but the house and the lawn are falling into disrepair, 1292 01:03:52,917 --> 01:03:55,750 and many of the belongings are gone. 1293 01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:57,833 I hope you will please get the help you need. 1294 01:03:57,917 --> 01:04:01,292 I hope you decide to today. 1295 01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:02,083 Love you. 1296 01:04:04,667 --> 01:04:05,417 DARREN: Kathy? 1297 01:04:11,208 --> 01:04:13,125 Jessie. 1298 01:04:13,208 --> 01:04:16,125 You sure did shine as you helped in church 1299 01:04:16,208 --> 01:04:24,042 and with family and friends, and your happiness was contagious. 1300 01:04:24,167 --> 01:04:28,417 Somewhere, 2 and 1/2 years ago, your calls to me 1301 01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:34,500 became sullen, and desperate, and unhappy. 1302 01:04:34,583 --> 01:04:38,958 You spoke of nightmares and feelings of inadequacy. 1303 01:04:39,042 --> 01:04:43,333 You lost your shine and your happiness. 1304 01:04:43,375 --> 01:04:45,875 Your sparkle was gone. 1305 01:04:45,958 --> 01:04:50,167 And I'm so worried about you. 1306 01:04:50,208 --> 01:04:50,958 We love you. 1307 01:04:56,167 --> 01:04:58,167 Please, please, please. 1308 01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:59,000 DARREN: Mandy. 1309 01:05:04,417 --> 01:05:07,167 I said, mom, I love you, and I want 1310 01:05:07,292 --> 01:05:08,833 you to get the help you need to be 1311 01:05:08,917 --> 01:05:11,458 able to enjoy your life freely. 1312 01:05:11,542 --> 01:05:13,083 I don't want to live my life constantly 1313 01:05:13,167 --> 01:05:14,875 worried about you and the boys. 1314 01:05:14,958 --> 01:05:18,000 And I've been scared for your guys' futures. 1315 01:05:18,083 --> 01:05:21,292 I'm scared you'll die, go through more losses, 1316 01:05:21,375 --> 01:05:25,500 and that me and the boys will be left without both parents. 1317 01:05:25,583 --> 01:05:26,458 I need you back. 1318 01:05:26,542 --> 01:05:27,500 I need you healthy. 1319 01:05:27,542 --> 01:05:28,875 I need my mother again. 1320 01:05:28,958 --> 01:05:31,125 Will you please accept help with us today? 1321 01:05:34,417 --> 01:05:37,583 Mom, I cannot lose you. 1322 01:05:37,667 --> 01:05:40,708 Even just that thought kills me. 1323 01:05:40,792 --> 01:05:42,167 I've already dealt with that with dad. 1324 01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:45,708 Like I cannot-- and you're everything to me. 1325 01:05:45,792 --> 01:05:46,833 Like you're my best friend. 1326 01:05:46,917 --> 01:05:47,958 You're everything. 1327 01:05:47,958 --> 01:05:49,500 I talk to you about everything. 1328 01:05:49,583 --> 01:05:50,917 Like I need you. 1329 01:05:50,917 --> 01:05:54,000 I really need you. 1330 01:05:54,042 --> 01:05:56,167 I'm so sorry that you've been through all this. 1331 01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:59,667 Like I wish I could take that away from you. 1332 01:05:59,708 --> 01:06:01,458 So like you'd just be happy. 1333 01:06:01,542 --> 01:06:02,333 I love you. 1334 01:06:02,417 --> 01:06:03,167 I'm so sorry. 1335 01:06:07,042 --> 01:06:08,833 ZACK: Jessica, I know you're hearing everyone 1336 01:06:08,875 --> 01:06:10,375 at the end of their letter asking if you're 1337 01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:11,500 going to get help today. 1338 01:06:11,583 --> 01:06:13,333 And before you even answer the question, 1339 01:06:13,375 --> 01:06:17,042 I just want to make it clear exactly what that help is. 1340 01:06:17,125 --> 01:06:18,792 There's a treatment center. 1341 01:06:18,875 --> 01:06:20,917 It's called Casa Capri Recovery. 1342 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,917 And it's in Newport Beach, California. 1343 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,333 It's all-female. 1344 01:06:24,417 --> 01:06:29,250 24/7 care with nothing but women who 1345 01:06:29,375 --> 01:06:34,375 have had the same exact issues and struggles that you've had. 1346 01:06:34,458 --> 01:06:40,125 Who's going to be there for my boys and my daughter? 1347 01:06:40,250 --> 01:06:43,208 You don't have to worry about anything. 1348 01:06:43,292 --> 01:06:45,333 Who's going to be with my babies? 1349 01:06:45,375 --> 01:06:46,500 Please. 1350 01:06:46,542 --> 01:06:48,333 DARREN: We've got that taken care of too. 1351 01:06:48,458 --> 01:06:50,042 ZACK: We've checked every box that you can possibly have, 1352 01:06:50,125 --> 01:06:51,375 so you could get healthy. 1353 01:06:51,458 --> 01:06:54,958 I need my kids to be OK, or else, I won't be. 1354 01:06:56,875 --> 01:06:58,542 OK. 1355 01:06:58,625 --> 01:07:01,917 And we'll be there as like a secondary to help out, get them 1356 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,750 jobs, work towards getting their licenses. 1357 01:07:04,833 --> 01:07:05,833 Where's Mandy? 1358 01:07:05,958 --> 01:07:07,042 I'm going to be fine, mom. 1359 01:07:07,042 --> 01:07:08,792 Don't worry about anything. 1360 01:07:08,875 --> 01:07:12,625 Please accept help. 1361 01:07:12,708 --> 01:07:13,375 Please. 1362 01:07:19,542 --> 01:07:24,208 Please accept help. 1363 01:07:24,292 --> 01:07:26,250 Please. 1364 01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:27,625 ZACK: Look at the hope in her eyes 1365 01:07:27,708 --> 01:07:29,875 when we talk about the resources that we have, 1366 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,292 so you can get healthy. 1367 01:07:31,375 --> 01:07:33,125 This is all of our prayers being answered. 1368 01:07:36,042 --> 01:07:37,583 When do I go? 1369 01:07:37,708 --> 01:07:38,542 Today. 1370 01:07:38,625 --> 01:07:41,833 I want you to shine again. 1371 01:07:41,917 --> 01:07:43,833 Let's go. 1372 01:07:43,917 --> 01:07:46,250 I'm so proud of you. 1373 01:07:46,333 --> 01:07:48,000 I'm so happy with you, mom. 1374 01:07:48,083 --> 01:07:48,833 Thank you. 1375 01:07:48,958 --> 01:07:49,750 Great. 1376 01:07:49,875 --> 01:07:50,542 That's great. 1377 01:07:53,208 --> 01:07:54,500 I think it went really well. 1378 01:07:54,625 --> 01:07:55,833 I'm glad she accepted. 1379 01:07:55,917 --> 01:07:57,708 I hope she comes back just a happy-- 1380 01:07:57,792 --> 01:07:59,375 Jess that I used to remember. 1381 01:07:59,458 --> 01:08:00,667 I love you. 1382 01:08:00,792 --> 01:08:02,792 I don't even know how to explain my excitement. 1383 01:08:02,875 --> 01:08:06,625 I feel like everything that I've been hoping for is 1384 01:08:06,708 --> 01:08:09,000 finally like coming true. 1385 01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:12,250 You've been so tired for so long, Jessie. 1386 01:08:12,333 --> 01:08:15,250 This place is going to take care of you. 1387 01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:19,333 I'm so proud of Jessica, that she did the right thing, 1388 01:08:19,417 --> 01:08:21,167 and she's accepted treatment. 1389 01:08:21,250 --> 01:08:22,833 And she could be Jessie again. 1390 01:08:22,958 --> 01:08:25,167 The next couple of hours are going to be bang, bang. 1391 01:08:25,250 --> 01:08:26,750 We're going to get you something to eat. 1392 01:08:26,833 --> 01:08:28,000 We've got your clothes. 1393 01:08:28,042 --> 01:08:29,167 We've got supplies and toiletries. 1394 01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:30,250 There's a van outside. 1395 01:08:30,333 --> 01:08:31,958 We've got a nurse. 1396 01:08:32,042 --> 01:08:34,292 We're going to make sure that you're stable, you're safe. 1397 01:08:34,375 --> 01:08:37,292 We also want you to be able to say goodbye to Tim. 1398 01:08:37,375 --> 01:08:39,333 Tim's going to have a meeting very much 1399 01:08:39,458 --> 01:08:41,583 like this one in a short time. 1400 01:08:41,667 --> 01:08:43,625 And you're going to go to your process 1401 01:08:43,708 --> 01:08:45,667 and become the healthiest version of you. 1402 01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:48,292 Tim's hopefully going to agree to go get help. 1403 01:08:48,375 --> 01:08:51,375 And it's going to put both you guys in a good spot. 1404 01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:54,750 I'm glad Tim's getting an opportunity. 1405 01:08:54,875 --> 01:08:57,083 I really hope he takes it. 1406 01:08:57,167 --> 01:09:00,292 But I am concerned about him leaving. 1407 01:09:00,375 --> 01:09:02,000 Jessica just accepted treatment. 1408 01:09:02,042 --> 01:09:03,542 But I don't want to put her on a plane 1409 01:09:03,625 --> 01:09:05,583 just yet because we still have to do Tim's intervention. 1410 01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:09,125 So if Tim has a bunch of no's to accepting treatment, 1411 01:09:09,208 --> 01:09:13,083 I want to arrive at Tim's intervention with Jessica, 1412 01:09:13,208 --> 01:09:16,042 so I can have Jessica make an ask to Tim. 1413 01:09:16,125 --> 01:09:19,000 She's the one who has the firepower to move 1414 01:09:19,042 --> 01:09:22,875 him towards the common goal. 1415 01:09:22,958 --> 01:09:24,417 Every bit of worry and concern you 1416 01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:26,625 guys have had to this point for Tim, 1417 01:09:26,708 --> 01:09:30,375 we get to put that to rest today by taking definite action. 1418 01:09:30,458 --> 01:09:32,042 My schedule is crazy. 1419 01:09:32,125 --> 01:09:33,875 I never know when something's going to happen, 1420 01:09:33,958 --> 01:09:35,458 if I don't have enough (Bleep). 1421 01:09:35,542 --> 01:09:40,333 I can't start to go into withdrawal, 1422 01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:42,458 or else, it'll be ugly. 1423 01:09:42,542 --> 01:09:44,167 Today is cycle break day. 1424 01:09:44,167 --> 01:09:45,625 We're done. 1425 01:09:45,708 --> 01:09:46,417 Sounds good. 1426 01:09:50,125 --> 01:09:51,125 OK, guys. 1427 01:10:02,625 --> 01:10:03,333 Hey, Tim. 1428 01:10:03,417 --> 01:10:05,042 Hey. 1429 01:10:05,167 --> 01:10:06,125 What's going on? 1430 01:10:06,208 --> 01:10:07,500 I haven't had a hug for so long. 1431 01:10:10,792 --> 01:10:13,292 I love you so much. 1432 01:10:13,375 --> 01:10:16,292 Love you, Tim. 1433 01:10:16,375 --> 01:10:17,167 Tim, I'm Darren. 1434 01:10:17,292 --> 01:10:18,167 Hey, what's up, buddy? 1435 01:10:18,292 --> 01:10:19,083 Good to see you, man. 1436 01:10:19,167 --> 01:10:20,250 You too. 1437 01:10:20,375 --> 01:10:21,667 You want to have a seat with us? 1438 01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:22,458 Yeah. 1439 01:10:24,667 --> 01:10:26,500 Right here, sweetie. 1440 01:10:26,583 --> 01:10:28,417 So Tim, your family and I have been 1441 01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:30,625 in contact lately about what's been going on with you. 1442 01:10:30,708 --> 01:10:31,792 Yeah. 1443 01:10:31,875 --> 01:10:33,208 I don't know you very well, but I know 1444 01:10:33,292 --> 01:10:35,125 these guys love you to pieces. 1445 01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:38,583 And what I've heard over these last few days 1446 01:10:38,667 --> 01:10:41,333 is how precious you are to them and how 1447 01:10:41,375 --> 01:10:43,292 concerned they are for you. 1448 01:10:43,375 --> 01:10:44,875 I've asked your mom and dad and Tiffany 1449 01:10:44,958 --> 01:10:46,375 to write you some letters. 1450 01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:50,167 Would you allow them to read them? 1451 01:10:50,292 --> 01:10:51,208 Yeah, absolutely. 1452 01:10:51,333 --> 01:10:52,667 Tiffany, would you go first? 1453 01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:54,292 Sure. 1454 01:10:54,375 --> 01:10:59,500 Timmy, I love how big your heart is. 1455 01:10:59,625 --> 01:11:02,083 I love how generous you are and how 1456 01:11:02,208 --> 01:11:04,833 willing you are to help others. 1457 01:11:04,958 --> 01:11:07,542 I love how funny you are. 1458 01:11:07,667 --> 01:11:09,333 I've watched your addiction get steadily 1459 01:11:09,417 --> 01:11:11,750 worse over the last 30 years. 1460 01:11:11,833 --> 01:11:14,667 Recovery has never really happened for you. 1461 01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:16,833 I know you're addicted to fentanyl. 1462 01:11:16,958 --> 01:11:18,458 I know this is a death sentence. 1463 01:11:18,542 --> 01:11:21,375 I'm afraid every day that we're going to lose you. 1464 01:11:21,458 --> 01:11:23,375 When I watched you hold Lilly for the first time, 1465 01:11:23,458 --> 01:11:24,542 you said this is it. 1466 01:11:24,667 --> 01:11:27,833 This is the reason I will stay sober. 1467 01:11:27,917 --> 01:11:29,333 For my niece. 1468 01:11:29,375 --> 01:11:32,250 My heart was so full. 1469 01:11:32,333 --> 01:11:34,333 But it wasn't true. 1470 01:11:34,375 --> 01:11:36,250 And it hurts not to have you be a part 1471 01:11:36,333 --> 01:11:41,167 of Lilly's life and my life. 1472 01:11:41,208 --> 01:11:42,500 DARREN: Thank you, Tiffany. 1473 01:11:42,542 --> 01:11:43,250 Mark. 1474 01:11:46,042 --> 01:11:49,458 Tim, I wish I had thought to tell you how proud I was 1475 01:11:49,542 --> 01:11:51,875 all the times you reached out to help friends 1476 01:11:51,958 --> 01:11:53,792 and strangers who needed help. 1477 01:11:53,875 --> 01:11:57,083 But your addiction started turning for the worst. 1478 01:11:57,167 --> 01:11:59,167 One of the worst days of my life, 1479 01:11:59,208 --> 01:12:02,542 when I found you on the floor, cyanotic, 1480 01:12:02,667 --> 01:12:06,167 purple-faced, and not breathing. 1481 01:12:06,250 --> 01:12:08,250 Having actually worked in a morgue, 1482 01:12:08,375 --> 01:12:10,625 I knew what death looked like. 1483 01:12:10,708 --> 01:12:13,375 You did not look any different than the corpses 1484 01:12:13,458 --> 01:12:15,167 I'd seen at work. 1485 01:12:15,208 --> 01:12:19,750 Thankfully, the medics arrived and managed to bring you back. 1486 01:12:19,833 --> 01:12:22,167 Tim, the effects of your addiction on your family 1487 01:12:22,292 --> 01:12:23,833 has taken a heavy toll. 1488 01:12:23,875 --> 01:12:27,500 For 28 years now, the emotional, psychological, and financial 1489 01:12:27,625 --> 01:12:30,958 impact of your addiction has been devastating. 1490 01:12:31,042 --> 01:12:35,125 We made mistakes of enabling, and we are embarking 1491 01:12:35,208 --> 01:12:38,667 on a new path of correcting those mistakes by changing how 1492 01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:42,208 we respond to our addiction as enablers 1493 01:12:42,292 --> 01:12:45,292 and to your addiction of substance abuse. 1494 01:12:45,375 --> 01:12:48,750 With all my love, dad. 1495 01:12:48,833 --> 01:12:51,167 Thanks, dad. 1496 01:12:51,333 --> 01:12:52,042 DARREN: Miss Rhonda? 1497 01:12:52,167 --> 01:12:53,625 Tim. 1498 01:12:53,708 --> 01:12:57,292 The things I love most about you are your huge hugs 1499 01:12:57,375 --> 01:13:01,042 and how much you make me feel loved and special. 1500 01:13:01,125 --> 01:13:04,417 Always making me feel good about myself and telling me 1501 01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:07,708 I look beautiful. 1502 01:13:07,792 --> 01:13:12,250 It broke my heart when you were 16 or 17 and had a court date. 1503 01:13:12,333 --> 01:13:14,208 They called your name. 1504 01:13:14,292 --> 01:13:16,333 And you went up before the judge. 1505 01:13:16,417 --> 01:13:18,750 Two officers came up on each side of you, 1506 01:13:18,833 --> 01:13:22,000 handcuffed you, and forcefully took you 1507 01:13:22,083 --> 01:13:24,500 to the door of the holding pen. 1508 01:13:24,583 --> 01:13:27,583 In a pleading voice, you said, wait. 1509 01:13:27,667 --> 01:13:28,958 I can't even hug my mom. 1510 01:13:31,875 --> 01:13:34,375 You have the potential to be successful in so 1511 01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:35,833 many ways, Tim. 1512 01:13:35,875 --> 01:13:36,917 You can cut hair. 1513 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,250 You can cut down trees. 1514 01:13:38,333 --> 01:13:41,250 You can make wood sculptures. 1515 01:13:41,333 --> 01:13:44,542 You're funny, smart, forgiving. 1516 01:13:44,542 --> 01:13:46,500 Tim, will you please accept treatment today? 1517 01:13:52,542 --> 01:13:53,958 What do you mean by that? 1518 01:13:54,042 --> 01:13:54,958 What kind of treatment? 1519 01:13:55,042 --> 01:13:56,833 It's 90 days residential. 1520 01:13:56,917 --> 01:14:00,833 It's the Last Resort Recovery in Smithfield, Texas. 1521 01:14:00,917 --> 01:14:06,833 And it is designed for treatment resistant young men, 1522 01:14:06,958 --> 01:14:08,167 just like yourself. 1523 01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:09,750 OK. 1524 01:14:09,875 --> 01:14:11,167 Well, let me explain something to you real quick. 1525 01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:12,833 Sure. 1526 01:14:12,917 --> 01:14:17,875 My fentanyl habit is like 50 to 80 bags for six years. 1527 01:14:17,958 --> 01:14:19,958 The amount you've been doing probably 1528 01:14:20,042 --> 01:14:22,417 mandates that you're on a longer term taper than somebody 1529 01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:24,125 who's been doing half that. 1530 01:14:24,208 --> 01:14:25,625 Oh, (Bleep). 1531 01:14:25,625 --> 01:14:27,375 I understand that you believe you're unique. 1532 01:14:27,458 --> 01:14:30,125 I am unique with the amount that I do. 1533 01:14:30,208 --> 01:14:30,875 Trust me. 1534 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,667 I'm very unique. 1535 01:14:32,708 --> 01:14:36,833 I haven't met anybody that does what I do and for the length 1536 01:14:36,917 --> 01:14:38,125 that I do. 1537 01:14:38,208 --> 01:14:40,167 Most people have died by now. 1538 01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:45,833 And I do so much fentanyl that I would be so sick that I 1539 01:14:45,917 --> 01:14:48,708 would probably leave the detox and get 1540 01:14:48,833 --> 01:14:51,667 arrested because I don't know. 1541 01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:54,667 I really don't know, man. 1542 01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:57,250 I wish this didn't happen right now. 1543 01:14:57,375 --> 01:14:58,500 Well, you have to go, Tim. 1544 01:14:58,583 --> 01:15:00,333 You have to try. 1545 01:15:00,375 --> 01:15:02,167 I don't have to do (Bleep). 1546 01:15:02,292 --> 01:15:03,542 There's nothing left for you here. 1547 01:15:03,625 --> 01:15:04,625 Guess what? 1548 01:15:04,708 --> 01:15:07,000 I'm probably not going to go. 1549 01:15:07,042 --> 01:15:08,208 Wrong timing, man. 1550 01:15:08,333 --> 01:15:09,500 Wrong timing. 1551 01:15:09,583 --> 01:15:10,917 Tim, the timing is never going to be right. 1552 01:15:11,042 --> 01:15:11,958 But the timing-- 1553 01:15:12,042 --> 01:15:13,167 I don't care. 1554 01:15:13,208 --> 01:15:15,208 Wrong timing. 1555 01:15:15,292 --> 01:15:17,333 You're not going to control this. 1556 01:15:17,417 --> 01:15:19,250 I'm controlling it. 1557 01:15:19,333 --> 01:15:20,333 It sucks. 1558 01:15:20,417 --> 01:15:21,208 You shouldn't have done that. 1559 01:15:29,958 --> 01:15:31,000 We'll keep trying. 1560 01:15:31,042 --> 01:15:32,167 We're not giving up yet. 1561 01:15:32,250 --> 01:15:34,083 Hey, bro. 1562 01:15:34,167 --> 01:15:36,458 He's not going to do it. 1563 01:15:36,542 --> 01:15:38,375 Just (Bleep) bull(bleep). 1564 01:15:38,458 --> 01:15:40,750 Dude. 1565 01:15:40,833 --> 01:15:43,000 It's the drugs talking too. 1566 01:15:43,083 --> 01:15:45,000 I don't want to seem like an (Bleep), bro. 1567 01:15:45,083 --> 01:15:47,167 Like I don't want to seem like an [bleep] 1568 01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:48,458 because I'm not an [bleep]. 1569 01:15:48,542 --> 01:15:49,958 DARREN: I don't read you as an [bleep]. 1570 01:15:50,042 --> 01:15:55,000 But you really don't understand how sick I would be. 1571 01:15:55,083 --> 01:15:57,000 You've lived through this much fentanyl, 1572 01:15:57,042 --> 01:15:59,292 kicking it ain't going to be the one (Bleep) thing to kill you. 1573 01:15:59,375 --> 01:16:00,375 I'm not scared of dying. 1574 01:16:00,500 --> 01:16:01,708 I'm scared of-- 1575 01:16:01,875 --> 01:16:03,750 DARREN: Well, that's the (Bleep) problem. 1576 01:16:03,833 --> 01:16:05,000 You're not scared of dying. 1577 01:16:05,083 --> 01:16:06,500 Because these people are a hell of a lot 1578 01:16:06,542 --> 01:16:08,958 more scared of you dying. 1579 01:16:09,042 --> 01:16:11,333 If he doesn't go, it's just going to be worse. 1580 01:16:11,375 --> 01:16:13,708 It's going to be worse than ever. 1581 01:16:13,792 --> 01:16:15,583 Where's my girl at? 1582 01:16:15,667 --> 01:16:16,917 She's close by. 1583 01:16:16,917 --> 01:16:18,458 She's not going into a place, is she? 1584 01:16:18,542 --> 01:16:19,250 Yeah. 1585 01:16:19,375 --> 01:16:20,583 She said yes? 1586 01:16:20,667 --> 01:16:21,875 Oh, my god. 1587 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,250 I'm still standing by the consequences. 1588 01:16:25,375 --> 01:16:26,250 We have to. 1589 01:16:26,375 --> 01:16:27,333 Tim, this is our nurse. 1590 01:16:27,375 --> 01:16:28,292 Hi, how are you? 1591 01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:29,333 Nice to meet you. 1592 01:16:29,417 --> 01:16:30,500 So I'm a nurse practitioner. 1593 01:16:30,583 --> 01:16:32,833 And I'll be traveling with you. 1594 01:16:32,917 --> 01:16:35,375 They said that you're concerned about not 1595 01:16:35,458 --> 01:16:36,500 feeling well during the trip? 1596 01:16:36,583 --> 01:16:38,167 Well, no. 1597 01:16:38,250 --> 01:16:41,583 My detox is going to be outrageous, like exorcist bad. 1598 01:16:41,667 --> 01:16:42,833 I understand. 1599 01:16:42,917 --> 01:16:45,667 The facility is really, very good. 1600 01:16:45,708 --> 01:16:48,167 They'll know your height, your weight, your usage 1601 01:16:48,292 --> 01:16:49,125 and they'll manage you. 1602 01:16:49,208 --> 01:16:50,167 300 pounds. 1603 01:16:50,250 --> 01:16:52,625 Yeah. 1604 01:16:52,708 --> 01:16:55,708 50 bags, eight a day to 80 bags a day. 1605 01:16:55,792 --> 01:16:57,333 They'll be able to manage you. 1606 01:16:57,417 --> 01:16:59,542 I'm not going to take you anywhere that's not going to-- 1607 01:16:59,625 --> 01:17:00,958 (Bleep) it. Let's do it. 1608 01:17:00,958 --> 01:17:01,500 Let's go. 1609 01:17:01,625 --> 01:17:03,000 OK, good. 1610 01:17:03,083 --> 01:17:05,667 Tim's been in and out of detoxes and rehabs, 1611 01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:07,667 but they've all been state-run, and most 1612 01:17:07,792 --> 01:17:10,667 of his actual withdrawals have happened in jail cells. 1613 01:17:10,792 --> 01:17:13,708 So he's never received adequate comfort meds 1614 01:17:13,833 --> 01:17:17,542 to know that there is a pain-free, withdrawal-free way 1615 01:17:17,625 --> 01:17:18,583 to do this. 1616 01:17:18,708 --> 01:17:19,708 And that's when he bought in. 1617 01:17:22,750 --> 01:17:27,667 I guess I'm going to give it a shot. 1618 01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:28,708 Fantastic. 1619 01:17:35,042 --> 01:17:38,833 Hopefully, Tim is going to have success this time, 1620 01:17:38,917 --> 01:17:40,708 and we can just be a family. 1621 01:17:40,792 --> 01:17:42,458 A big, happy family. 1622 01:17:42,542 --> 01:17:43,958 I feel so relieved. 1623 01:17:44,042 --> 01:17:45,625 You're making a good choice, Tim. 1624 01:17:50,625 --> 01:17:51,625 JESSICA: Hi. 1625 01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:52,625 How are you doing? 1626 01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:17,333 I wish Jess the very best. 1627 01:18:17,458 --> 01:18:18,208 I love her. 1628 01:18:18,292 --> 01:18:19,375 She loves my son. 1629 01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:21,125 He loves her. 1630 01:18:21,208 --> 01:18:23,542 I hope that she becomes clean and sober, just as I hope 1631 01:18:23,625 --> 01:18:27,583 that Tim does, and that they can get back together and maybe 1632 01:18:27,708 --> 01:18:28,958 have a nice life together. 1633 01:18:29,042 --> 01:18:31,875 He says couples make it if they put in the work. 1634 01:18:31,958 --> 01:18:33,708 So we have a real chance. 1635 01:18:33,792 --> 01:18:35,667 I don't know if Tim and Jessica love each other 1636 01:18:35,792 --> 01:18:37,458 or if they just love using together. 1637 01:18:37,542 --> 01:18:40,375 The only way to find out is going to be over time. 1638 01:18:40,458 --> 01:18:43,167 And to do that, they're going to have to be separate. 1639 01:18:43,292 --> 01:18:45,667 Know that's why we have Tim going to Texas and Jessica 1640 01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:47,000 going to California. 1641 01:18:47,083 --> 01:18:47,792 Proud of you. 1642 01:18:47,875 --> 01:18:50,625 It's time for us to go. 1643 01:18:50,708 --> 01:18:53,792 Take it easy, baby. 1644 01:18:53,875 --> 01:18:55,833 We're going to say goodbye, Tim. 1645 01:18:55,958 --> 01:18:57,167 I know you can do this. 1646 01:18:57,208 --> 01:18:58,667 I know you're making the right decision. 1647 01:18:58,750 --> 01:18:59,833 I'm so proud of you. 1648 01:19:17,625 --> 01:19:20,083 I hate that I can't be there for him, 1649 01:19:20,208 --> 01:19:26,833 but this is the best thing for him, for both of us. 1650 01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:55,333 Hey! Hi Tim. 1651 01:19:55,417 --> 01:19:56,792 How's it going guys 1652 01:19:56,875 --> 01:19:58,875 I'm Matt. 1653 01:19:58,958 --> 01:20:01,333 Welcome to the Last Resort, man. 1654 01:20:01,375 --> 01:20:03,958 I'm feeling still very nervous about the detox, 1655 01:20:04,083 --> 01:20:07,000 but I'm excited too though for the future. 1656 01:20:07,042 --> 01:20:10,500 If you're ready to do the work, man, like 100%, 1657 01:20:10,583 --> 01:20:13,292 you will get what you need to recover if you're willing. 1658 01:20:19,875 --> 01:20:21,750 Hi, Jessica. 1659 01:20:21,833 --> 01:20:22,750 Come on in. 1660 01:20:22,833 --> 01:20:24,042 I'll take your bag. 1661 01:20:24,125 --> 01:20:26,333 Casa Capri is a great fit for Jessica 1662 01:20:26,417 --> 01:20:30,458 because we'll be able to provide her with individualized care, 1663 01:20:30,542 --> 01:20:33,792 focus on her trauma, and really figure out healthier ways 1664 01:20:33,875 --> 01:20:35,875 that she can cope and move forward. 1665 01:20:35,958 --> 01:20:38,000 My head is like pounding. 1666 01:20:38,083 --> 01:20:39,917 I've just been so stressed. 1667 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:40,875 It makes sense. 1668 01:20:41,042 --> 01:20:42,333 I'm glad you're here. 1669 01:20:42,417 --> 01:20:43,208 Thank you. 1670 01:20:57,458 --> 01:21:00,542 I have been 85 days sober today. 1671 01:21:00,667 --> 01:21:02,167 It feels amazing. 1672 01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:03,500 I feel lively. 1673 01:21:03,583 --> 01:21:05,250 I feel energetic. 1674 01:21:05,333 --> 01:21:07,083 I feel happy. 1675 01:21:07,167 --> 01:21:12,375 It's been very nice to have myself back. 1676 01:21:12,458 --> 01:21:14,417 - How are you feeling today? - Pretty good. 1677 01:21:14,542 --> 01:21:15,333 - Yeah? - Excited. 1678 01:21:15,375 --> 01:21:16,417 Yeah. 1679 01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:18,958 I will be leaving Wednesday. 1680 01:21:19,042 --> 01:21:20,667 You've done amazing work. 1681 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:22,292 Thank you. 1682 01:21:22,375 --> 01:21:24,000 Keep going. 1683 01:21:24,042 --> 01:21:26,833 Jessica is a whole different Jessica today than the Jessica 1684 01:21:26,917 --> 01:21:28,167 who walked in. 1685 01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:30,708 She's done a really great job working 1686 01:21:30,792 --> 01:21:34,833 on boundaries and codependency. 1687 01:21:34,917 --> 01:21:37,833 In terms of my life goals, is to rejoin 1688 01:21:37,958 --> 01:21:39,875 my children after this journey. 1689 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,500 These opportunities, they have helped 1690 01:21:43,583 --> 01:21:45,917 save my life in many ways. 1691 01:21:46,042 --> 01:21:50,000 So I'm excited to continue to do the hard work. 1692 01:21:50,083 --> 01:21:54,333 As far as Tim and I, I can't wait to see him sober, 1693 01:21:54,417 --> 01:21:57,875 and I do want to be able to share that with him. 1694 01:22:04,458 --> 01:22:06,000 Hey, Dakota. 1695 01:22:06,042 --> 01:22:07,625 How you doing? 1696 01:22:07,708 --> 01:22:10,333 I'm not going to lie to you, the detox was horrendous. 1697 01:22:10,417 --> 01:22:14,792 But I've been sober 90 days tomorrow. 1698 01:22:14,917 --> 01:22:17,042 And it's been truly humbling. 1699 01:22:19,708 --> 01:22:21,000 Find a spot where you can really 1700 01:22:21,042 --> 01:22:22,500 feel rooted and grounded. 1701 01:22:22,583 --> 01:22:24,583 Let her explore. 1702 01:22:24,708 --> 01:22:26,542 Physically, I feel great. 1703 01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:29,208 Emotionally, I'm happy. 1704 01:22:29,292 --> 01:22:30,917 THERAPIST: The confidence that you're 1705 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,875 walking with is giving her a secure place 1706 01:22:33,958 --> 01:22:35,625 to attach to and connect to. 1707 01:22:35,708 --> 01:22:39,750 Tim definitely has a tendency towards codependency, 1708 01:22:39,875 --> 01:22:40,917 and he's worked through that. 1709 01:22:41,042 --> 01:22:42,833 He's grown a lot in that area. 1710 01:22:42,833 --> 01:22:44,500 And the sky is the limit for him. 1711 01:22:44,542 --> 01:22:46,375 THERAPIST: It's a beautiful work with her. 1712 01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:50,792 I enjoyed it thoroughly. 1713 01:22:50,875 --> 01:22:52,458 Did you enjoy that? 1714 01:22:52,542 --> 01:22:56,417 My relationship with Jess is we're both at a different point 1715 01:22:56,500 --> 01:22:58,167 in our life. 1716 01:22:58,208 --> 01:22:59,667 And I still love her. 1717 01:22:59,750 --> 01:23:04,208 And hopefully, things will work out. 1718 01:23:04,292 --> 01:23:06,375 We'll just take her back to her pen over here. 1719 01:23:06,458 --> 01:23:08,208 What motivates me to stay clean 1720 01:23:08,292 --> 01:23:12,833 is just living life and experiencing life 1721 01:23:12,875 --> 01:23:15,417 with a clear head, clean and sober, 1722 01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:19,417 which is something I've really never did it as an adult. 1723 01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:23,958 So it's going to be a new experience for sure.