1 00:00:07,708 --> 00:00:09,833 [ominous music] 2 00:00:09,917 --> 00:00:12,000 Being in a relationship is difficult enough. 3 00:00:12,042 --> 00:00:15,042 Add to it addiction, and you have a perfect recipe 4 00:00:15,125 --> 00:00:16,708 for a tornado to come, and you're 5 00:00:16,833 --> 00:00:20,250 not going to be able to stop. 6 00:00:20,333 --> 00:00:22,667 There's that old saying, misery loves company. 7 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:28,458 I can't see it being anything other than a nightmare. 8 00:00:28,542 --> 00:00:32,208 The worst hell you have ever had in your entire life. 9 00:00:38,375 --> 00:00:41,833 Couples in their addiction just tear each other apart. 10 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:43,292 You were done with that. 11 00:00:43,375 --> 00:00:45,833 We were done with that, and you brought it back! 12 00:00:45,875 --> 00:00:46,958 The dishonesty. 13 00:00:47,042 --> 00:00:47,833 [bleep] you. 14 00:00:47,917 --> 00:00:49,167 I'm going, I'm done. 15 00:00:49,250 --> 00:00:50,333 The manipulation. 16 00:00:50,417 --> 00:00:51,042 The fighting. 17 00:00:51,125 --> 00:00:53,083 [shouting] 18 00:00:53,167 --> 00:00:56,333 And the codependency is deep. 19 00:00:56,375 --> 00:00:58,333 The only thing harder than fighting an addiction 20 00:00:58,458 --> 00:01:00,542 is fighting codependency at the same time. 21 00:01:03,625 --> 00:01:05,750 They're playing that dance of death, 22 00:01:05,833 --> 00:01:07,417 and they're killing each other. 23 00:01:11,292 --> 00:01:14,458 Cody was always so energetic, so loving. 24 00:01:14,542 --> 00:01:16,333 Carlee was always the fun, bubbly one. 25 00:01:16,417 --> 00:01:17,625 [giggles] 26 00:01:17,708 --> 00:01:21,167 But Cody and Carlee are addicted to crack cocaine. 27 00:01:21,250 --> 00:01:22,792 It's just something that we do. 28 00:01:22,875 --> 00:01:25,667 Just like if you play Parcheesi. 29 00:01:25,792 --> 00:01:30,375 They're living life to the fullest so they think. 30 00:01:30,458 --> 00:01:33,708 Cody and Carlee have a very toxic relationship. 31 00:01:34,875 --> 00:01:36,042 They got to steal for a living. 32 00:01:36,125 --> 00:01:37,750 Carlee's just been arrested. 33 00:01:37,875 --> 00:01:39,333 Hey. 34 00:01:39,417 --> 00:01:42,792 Cody's father is the biggest enabler in their lives. 35 00:01:42,875 --> 00:01:44,833 You're [bleep] killing my sister! 36 00:01:44,875 --> 00:01:46,167 And you're killing your son! 37 00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:52,958 Interventions very rarely go as planned. 38 00:01:53,042 --> 00:01:54,833 With these guys, we really have no idea 39 00:01:54,917 --> 00:01:56,583 how they're going to respond. 40 00:01:56,667 --> 00:01:59,500 Cody was extremely agitated that the film crew was there. 41 00:01:59,583 --> 00:02:01,083 This is going to be a straight-up. 42 00:02:01,208 --> 00:02:02,667 We're worried about you. 43 00:02:02,750 --> 00:02:04,792 And we want to make you an offer to change your life. 44 00:02:04,875 --> 00:02:06,500 [tires screech] 45 00:02:10,708 --> 00:02:14,208 [theme music] 46 00:02:24,708 --> 00:02:28,167 [somber music] 47 00:02:34,750 --> 00:02:36,000 CARLEE: Oh, my god. 48 00:02:36,083 --> 00:02:39,000 [giggling] 49 00:02:39,042 --> 00:02:41,333 Do we have the phone, baby? 50 00:02:41,375 --> 00:02:42,250 Yep. 51 00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:44,708 Ow, put your little claws up. 52 00:02:44,833 --> 00:02:45,833 My name is Carlee. 53 00:02:45,875 --> 00:02:47,458 I'm 26 years old. 54 00:02:47,542 --> 00:02:49,000 Quit trying to bite me so much. 55 00:02:49,083 --> 00:02:49,833 My name is Cody. 56 00:02:49,917 --> 00:02:51,125 I'm 28. 57 00:02:51,208 --> 00:02:53,250 We've been together for 15 years 58 00:02:53,333 --> 00:02:55,292 if you think about, like, friends 59 00:02:55,375 --> 00:02:57,458 from knowing each other to now. 60 00:02:57,542 --> 00:03:00,708 But together, maybe, like, four years. 61 00:03:00,792 --> 00:03:02,083 Are we doing this right now? 62 00:03:02,167 --> 00:03:03,000 Oh, yeah. 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,667 So-- 64 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:07,792 I would describe Carlee as obnoxious and outgoing, 65 00:03:07,875 --> 00:03:08,833 but very loving. 66 00:03:08,917 --> 00:03:09,750 You know what? 67 00:03:09,875 --> 00:03:11,083 I'm going to be nice. 68 00:03:11,167 --> 00:03:12,750 I would describe Cody as my best friend. 69 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:15,542 There would have to be, like, some catastrophic something. 70 00:03:19,958 --> 00:03:20,833 What's today? 71 00:03:20,875 --> 00:03:22,667 Tuesday? 72 00:03:22,708 --> 00:03:23,625 Sunday. 73 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:24,417 Oh, [bleep]. 74 00:03:24,417 --> 00:03:25,833 Way off. Way off. 75 00:03:25,917 --> 00:03:26,792 [giggles] 76 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:34,125 They seem to love each other, but they both 77 00:03:34,208 --> 00:03:35,625 are addicted to crack cocaine. 78 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:49,208 It's just something that we do just 79 00:03:49,333 --> 00:03:52,292 like if you play Parcheesi. 80 00:03:52,375 --> 00:03:53,542 Like we're watching TV. 81 00:03:53,625 --> 00:03:55,708 It just intensifies our love, I guess. 82 00:04:04,208 --> 00:04:05,333 They're not willing to work. 83 00:04:05,417 --> 00:04:07,333 They've got to steal for a living. 84 00:04:07,375 --> 00:04:10,750 Carlee and Cody ended up stealing lots and lots of money 85 00:04:10,875 --> 00:04:12,500 from family. 86 00:04:12,583 --> 00:04:18,500 And she steals from anywhere she can to help support her habit. 87 00:04:18,542 --> 00:04:20,875 I have confronted Cody and Carlee 88 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:27,500 both about their drug use many times, but they don't care. 89 00:04:27,542 --> 00:04:29,083 [chuckles] Yeah, god. 90 00:04:29,208 --> 00:04:30,625 They're enjoying this. 91 00:04:30,708 --> 00:04:34,500 They're living life to the fullest so they think. 92 00:04:34,542 --> 00:04:38,333 Cody has done coke off and on since 16, 17, 93 00:04:38,458 --> 00:04:41,500 but he wasn't like he is now. 94 00:04:41,583 --> 00:04:43,500 Cody's problem with crack cocaine 95 00:04:43,583 --> 00:04:48,792 is at a deadly, deadly level. 96 00:04:48,875 --> 00:04:51,125 He's so skinny now. 97 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:54,833 His body is just shutting down. 98 00:04:54,875 --> 00:04:56,875 He has become violent. 99 00:05:02,708 --> 00:05:04,250 Holes in my walls. 100 00:05:04,333 --> 00:05:06,000 Windshields busted out. 101 00:05:09,583 --> 00:05:11,500 He will yell at anybody. 102 00:05:11,542 --> 00:05:13,917 He will threaten anybody. 103 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,125 He has no control. 104 00:05:17,208 --> 00:05:19,542 Cody, what's the matter? 105 00:05:19,625 --> 00:05:22,000 I don't feel like I can save my son. 106 00:05:22,042 --> 00:05:24,833 I'm watching my son die. 107 00:05:24,917 --> 00:05:26,375 Hey, do you have anything? 108 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:27,292 Yeah, a little bit. 109 00:05:27,375 --> 00:05:28,667 All right. 110 00:05:28,750 --> 00:05:30,417 Carlee's relationship with Cody I think 111 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:33,333 is what started a lot of this addiction. 112 00:05:33,417 --> 00:05:37,375 CARMEN: She was on painkillers from a very young age. 113 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:41,083 And then one day, she bumped into Cody. 114 00:05:41,083 --> 00:05:44,500 In the last three years, her drug abuse has escalated. 115 00:05:44,583 --> 00:05:47,958 And she's now having seizures, and she 116 00:05:48,042 --> 00:05:49,917 is 75 pounds soaking wet. 117 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,583 She has lost a majority of her teeth and what teeth are 118 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:56,500 there are just falling apart. 119 00:05:56,583 --> 00:05:59,875 She's been in jail several times now for shoplifting. 120 00:05:59,958 --> 00:06:05,375 She's going further down closer to death. 121 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:06,958 CARMEN: I am preparing to grieve Carlee. 122 00:06:07,083 --> 00:06:11,250 I've been grieving her for the past three years now. 123 00:06:11,375 --> 00:06:13,542 I've cried more times than I can count 124 00:06:13,625 --> 00:06:16,875 about how much I miss her. 125 00:06:16,958 --> 00:06:20,167 I miss her so much. 126 00:06:20,250 --> 00:06:21,542 CHUCK: The thought of losing Cody 127 00:06:21,625 --> 00:06:23,500 and Carlee is hard to take. 128 00:06:23,583 --> 00:06:27,333 I don't want nothing to happen to either one of them. 129 00:06:27,417 --> 00:06:28,708 Hoo-hoo! 130 00:06:28,792 --> 00:06:29,625 [chuckles] 131 00:06:29,708 --> 00:06:31,042 You're fun. 132 00:06:31,042 --> 00:06:32,958 Hoo-hoo-hoo! 133 00:06:33,042 --> 00:06:36,667 Oh, my god, Carlee, you're making it worse, quit. 134 00:06:36,708 --> 00:06:42,042 If they don't get help now, I'm just afraid they're 135 00:06:42,125 --> 00:06:43,458 both going to end up dead. 136 00:06:47,375 --> 00:06:50,750 [somber music] 137 00:06:58,417 --> 00:07:01,000 Babe, you look like you need that. 138 00:07:01,083 --> 00:07:01,958 Oh! 139 00:07:02,042 --> 00:07:04,750 [giggles] 140 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:07,083 You got it in your mouth? 141 00:07:07,208 --> 00:07:08,042 No. 142 00:07:08,125 --> 00:07:09,125 CARLEE: OK. - Almost. 143 00:07:09,208 --> 00:07:10,083 I felt a breeze. 144 00:07:10,167 --> 00:07:11,375 You felt a breeze? 145 00:07:15,042 --> 00:07:18,167 AMY: They have a weird attraction to each other. 146 00:07:18,292 --> 00:07:21,042 They are almost obsessed with the other. 147 00:07:21,125 --> 00:07:23,125 I've had a crush on her since the day I met her. 148 00:07:28,958 --> 00:07:31,333 [serene music] 149 00:07:31,417 --> 00:07:35,667 Carlee first met Cody when she was about 13. 150 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:37,750 I moved in her neighborhood, and that's 151 00:07:37,875 --> 00:07:40,250 when I got introduced to her. 152 00:07:40,375 --> 00:07:41,042 No. 153 00:07:41,125 --> 00:07:42,417 Never. 154 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:44,292 I was hoping to god, we would, but no, I 155 00:07:44,375 --> 00:07:45,708 didn't get that fortunate. 156 00:07:54,042 --> 00:07:57,333 What actually brought us back in touch with each other again 157 00:07:57,375 --> 00:07:58,958 was when I ran into her mom. 158 00:07:59,042 --> 00:08:01,250 She gave me Carlee's number and told me to just call her, 159 00:08:01,333 --> 00:08:02,458 so I did. 160 00:08:02,542 --> 00:08:03,958 And we decided to hang out again. 161 00:08:04,042 --> 00:08:05,792 CARLEE: That was four or five years ago. 162 00:08:05,875 --> 00:08:06,583 CODY: Yeah. 163 00:08:15,833 --> 00:08:17,750 I would just stop talking to Cody for three days 164 00:08:17,833 --> 00:08:20,500 because I didn't know what crack was. 165 00:08:20,625 --> 00:08:22,333 And he told me that he was doing it. 166 00:08:22,417 --> 00:08:24,083 Then I googled it. 167 00:08:24,167 --> 00:08:25,833 And realized that it was coke. 168 00:08:25,875 --> 00:08:28,333 And so, I told Cody if it was good enough for him, 169 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:29,458 it was good enough for me. 170 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,667 Anytime that I would try to call her or talk to her, 171 00:08:40,750 --> 00:08:43,583 if I did get her, it would be on speakerphone, 172 00:08:43,667 --> 00:08:46,000 and he would be in the background talking over her. 173 00:08:46,083 --> 00:08:49,250 He was someone who was already struggling with addiction. 174 00:08:49,333 --> 00:08:53,667 And I think she was willing to do whatever to be able to latch 175 00:08:53,708 --> 00:08:55,542 on for someone to love her. 176 00:08:55,667 --> 00:08:59,833 And slowly she just disappeared. 177 00:08:59,917 --> 00:09:03,500 I lost all contact with her until one random morning, 178 00:09:03,583 --> 00:09:04,833 I get a call. 179 00:09:04,917 --> 00:09:08,625 And all she says is, you're an aunt. 180 00:09:08,708 --> 00:09:12,042 AMY: About two years ago, Charlee was born. 181 00:09:12,125 --> 00:09:15,667 And Cody and Carlee agreed it would be best 182 00:09:15,708 --> 00:09:17,667 for me to legally adopt her. 183 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:19,667 She's been with me since the day she 184 00:09:19,708 --> 00:09:21,292 came home from the hospital. 185 00:09:21,375 --> 00:09:26,833 And then a year later, Carter was born two months early. 186 00:09:26,875 --> 00:09:30,250 And we got some wonderful months with him. 187 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:36,750 And then one day, he just went to sleep and he never woke up. 188 00:09:36,833 --> 00:09:40,208 And he definitely took a piece of everybody's heart with him. 189 00:09:51,792 --> 00:09:57,667 I did call Cody, and I told him that Carter was gone. 190 00:09:57,708 --> 00:10:03,125 And he broke down. 191 00:10:03,208 --> 00:10:06,917 He completely broke down. 192 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:07,750 Since then-- 193 00:10:13,917 --> 00:10:15,167 I feel like they're in denial. 194 00:10:15,292 --> 00:10:19,125 And I think they use the drugs to numb the pain. 195 00:10:26,542 --> 00:10:30,083 It's just spiraling even more out of control. 196 00:11:12,375 --> 00:11:13,833 Uh-oh. 197 00:11:15,208 --> 00:11:16,792 Here. 198 00:11:16,875 --> 00:11:18,875 The danger that they're putting both of themselves into 199 00:11:18,958 --> 00:11:21,000 has just gotten so out of control. 200 00:11:21,042 --> 00:11:24,333 They're both stuck in a Peter Pan world. 201 00:11:24,417 --> 00:11:28,500 And whether it's right or wrong, they accept each other for who 202 00:11:28,542 --> 00:11:30,417 they are and what they do. 203 00:11:30,833 --> 00:11:32,000 Cody, I don't know. 204 00:11:32,083 --> 00:11:33,917 That's what I'm saying. You need to know. 205 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:34,958 I don't know what the vehicles look like. 206 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:35,792 I don't know. - You have to. 207 00:11:35,875 --> 00:11:37,208 All I see is headlights. 208 00:11:37,292 --> 00:11:39,208 Oh, my god, you get on my [bleep] nerves. 209 00:11:42,125 --> 00:11:44,000 How am I supposed to know, my telepathy? 210 00:11:44,083 --> 00:11:45,375 [arguing] 211 00:11:45,458 --> 00:11:46,417 You're still not listening. 212 00:11:50,375 --> 00:11:51,083 Yes, hello. 213 00:11:54,292 --> 00:11:54,958 Are you not behind us? 214 00:11:58,542 --> 00:12:01,167 LOGAN: If Cody and Carlee don't get help, 215 00:12:01,167 --> 00:12:06,125 they're either going to get hurt by messing with other people 216 00:12:06,208 --> 00:12:07,667 or overdose. 217 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:09,500 It's going to end their lives. 218 00:12:09,542 --> 00:12:10,625 It's a fact. 219 00:12:10,708 --> 00:12:11,708 [chuckles] 220 00:12:19,375 --> 00:12:22,917 c] 221 00:12:44,625 --> 00:12:45,375 CODY: All right, bye. 222 00:12:54,083 --> 00:12:56,625 I'd give anything if they would just realize their life 223 00:12:56,708 --> 00:12:59,667 and get a job. 224 00:12:59,750 --> 00:13:00,875 Get back to living a normal life. 225 00:13:04,708 --> 00:13:05,542 Hey. 226 00:13:05,625 --> 00:13:06,625 CHUCK: Hey. 227 00:13:06,708 --> 00:13:07,667 Nice little van. 228 00:13:07,708 --> 00:13:08,583 Huh? 229 00:13:08,667 --> 00:13:09,500 Nice what? 230 00:13:09,583 --> 00:13:11,500 The van up there. 231 00:13:11,583 --> 00:13:12,417 Yeah. 232 00:13:15,208 --> 00:13:16,292 [chuckles] 233 00:13:16,375 --> 00:13:17,458 Yeah, I'm going to go in here real quick. 234 00:13:17,542 --> 00:13:18,542 You got it? You good? 235 00:13:18,625 --> 00:13:19,875 Staying out there? 236 00:13:19,958 --> 00:13:23,333 But I wish I would come and stay more. 237 00:13:23,375 --> 00:13:25,458 They have no time to talk, no time to sit, 238 00:13:25,542 --> 00:13:27,833 always in a rush, rush, rush. 239 00:13:27,917 --> 00:13:29,500 And I hate that. 240 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:31,250 But I love my son. 241 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:34,167 Me and Cody have always had a wonderful relationship. 242 00:13:34,208 --> 00:13:36,083 [serene music] 243 00:13:36,167 --> 00:13:40,958 When Cody was a child, he wanted to be by me all the time. 244 00:13:41,042 --> 00:13:46,000 AMY: Cody was always a very fun child to be around. 245 00:13:46,125 --> 00:13:48,542 So energetic, so loving. 246 00:13:48,542 --> 00:13:52,500 Smiles for days. 247 00:13:52,583 --> 00:13:55,542 CHUCK: Amy and I shared a lot of the responsibility 248 00:13:55,667 --> 00:13:59,250 in taking care of Cody, but we just-- 249 00:13:59,333 --> 00:14:01,208 I don't know, couldn't be together, I guess, 250 00:14:01,333 --> 00:14:02,250 couldn't get along. 251 00:14:02,333 --> 00:14:05,458 [somber music] 252 00:14:07,542 --> 00:14:09,958 AMY: We did joint custody. 253 00:14:14,625 --> 00:14:18,250 Cody's father and I did not have a healthy relationship. 254 00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:24,333 And that has remained true even up to this day. 255 00:14:24,417 --> 00:14:27,417 But for the sake of Cody, we did try 256 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,375 to be civil with each other. 257 00:14:35,917 --> 00:14:37,917 Cody was around quite a bit of fighting with my wife 258 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:38,833 at the time. 259 00:15:13,958 --> 00:15:19,292 When Cody moved to Brighton, he was isolated. 260 00:15:19,375 --> 00:15:23,833 At that point, Cody seemed emotionally just beaten 261 00:15:23,917 --> 00:15:27,000 and began using drugs to self-medicate. 262 00:15:34,042 --> 00:15:36,292 I thought it's just a phase, you know, because, I mean, 263 00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:39,042 who didn't try a little crap when he was young, you know. 264 00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:41,292 But his was different and worse. 265 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,833 I had heard rumors that Cody was using, 266 00:15:47,958 --> 00:15:50,500 but I never actually caught him in the act, 267 00:15:50,542 --> 00:15:54,167 so I guess I didn't want to believe that. 268 00:15:54,208 --> 00:15:59,583 And then he was not coming home, avoiding my calls, 269 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:01,333 avoiding my texts. 270 00:16:01,375 --> 00:16:05,375 I finally had a talk with Cody when he was about 17 years old. 271 00:16:05,458 --> 00:16:09,792 And he admitted that it was cocaine he was using 272 00:16:09,875 --> 00:16:11,792 and that it was over. 273 00:16:11,875 --> 00:16:15,083 He wasn't going to do it anymore, 274 00:16:15,208 --> 00:16:18,917 but that obviously was not very true. 275 00:16:26,375 --> 00:16:29,833 He dropped out of high school his senior year. 276 00:16:29,875 --> 00:16:31,625 He couldn't hold down a job. 277 00:16:31,708 --> 00:16:36,833 Any job he had lasted maybe a couple of weeks to a month. 278 00:16:36,917 --> 00:16:39,250 Long enough for him to get a good paycheck. 279 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:44,958 And once he got the paycheck, he would go buy drugs. 280 00:16:45,042 --> 00:16:48,500 And then the cycle started completely over again. 281 00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:53,208 I've done it so long that it's become my personality. 282 00:16:53,292 --> 00:16:57,500 It has gotten very serious. 283 00:17:00,208 --> 00:17:01,833 CODY: I know that, Dad. CARLEE: We're leaving. 284 00:17:01,958 --> 00:17:03,333 All right, yeah, we're going. 285 00:17:03,417 --> 00:17:04,583 All right. 286 00:17:04,667 --> 00:17:10,292 Chuck and my mom have most definitely ignored 287 00:17:10,375 --> 00:17:13,000 and enabled Cody's behavior. 288 00:17:13,083 --> 00:17:14,667 I love you, Dad. 289 00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:16,292 I'll come back by in a little while or something when we 290 00:17:16,375 --> 00:17:17,500 get done doing all this stuff. - Yeah, later on. 291 00:17:17,542 --> 00:17:19,042 Yeah. 292 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:22,167 My mom has developed a very strong backbone when 293 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:24,667 it comes to telling Cody no. 294 00:17:24,750 --> 00:17:28,708 Because of that, Cody's options for who he can go to, 295 00:17:28,792 --> 00:17:32,542 to get what he wants have narrowed down to one person, 296 00:17:32,625 --> 00:17:34,292 and that's Chuck. 297 00:17:34,375 --> 00:17:34,958 I love you. 298 00:17:35,042 --> 00:17:36,417 I love you. 299 00:17:36,542 --> 00:17:38,417 CODY: See you later. 300 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:42,167 As far as Cody's addiction, I blame myself. 301 00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:44,292 It's always hard for me to be hard on him. 302 00:17:44,375 --> 00:17:46,917 Even now, probably still just giving them 303 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,375 money and everything they want. 304 00:17:49,458 --> 00:17:52,083 Cars and money and the house where he ain't really 305 00:17:52,208 --> 00:17:54,000 got to pay nothing or do nothing. 306 00:17:54,083 --> 00:17:59,042 So I guess, it's all my fault. 307 00:18:05,042 --> 00:18:06,458 [giggles] 308 00:18:07,542 --> 00:18:10,708 [somber music] 309 00:18:14,708 --> 00:18:17,625 We are headed to Carlee's and Cody's house. 310 00:18:17,708 --> 00:18:19,333 I brought Carlee's a bunch of groceries 311 00:18:19,417 --> 00:18:22,833 because Carlee's is so small and so skinny. 312 00:18:22,875 --> 00:18:25,000 And I just wanted to help somehow. 313 00:18:25,125 --> 00:18:27,583 I'm lucky if I see her once every six months. 314 00:18:27,667 --> 00:18:29,542 We used to be attached at the hip. 315 00:18:29,625 --> 00:18:33,000 We used to spend all day and all night together. 316 00:18:33,042 --> 00:18:35,500 But we don't really just hang out anymore. 317 00:18:35,542 --> 00:18:38,917 Carlee and Carmen grew up very, very close 318 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:39,667 with each other. 319 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:41,417 [serene music] 320 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:43,792 Their family always had all the things. 321 00:18:43,875 --> 00:18:46,375 And everything they did always seemed so much fun because they 322 00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:48,667 weren't really on a schedule. 323 00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:51,667 They just kind of walked to a beat of their own drum. 324 00:18:51,708 --> 00:18:52,667 We were very wealthy. 325 00:18:52,792 --> 00:18:54,292 We were very well off. 326 00:18:54,292 --> 00:18:57,000 Carlee's parents, they had their own vacuum cleaner 327 00:18:57,083 --> 00:18:58,333 business where they sold these really 328 00:18:58,375 --> 00:19:00,125 high-end vacuum cleaners. 329 00:19:00,125 --> 00:19:01,958 They were living the dream. 330 00:19:02,042 --> 00:19:04,792 When Carlee was growing up, she was fine. 331 00:19:04,875 --> 00:19:06,500 She was in gymnastics. 332 00:19:06,542 --> 00:19:09,083 CARMEN: Carlee did cheer and gymnastics. 333 00:19:09,208 --> 00:19:10,667 She was so good at it. 334 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:14,583 She would fly and do all these kinds of crazy flips. 335 00:19:14,667 --> 00:19:18,625 And she could have probably gone places with that. 336 00:19:18,708 --> 00:19:21,708 But when she was 12 years old, Carlee started having 337 00:19:21,833 --> 00:19:23,458 a plethora of health issues. 338 00:19:23,542 --> 00:19:26,500 [ominous music] 339 00:19:27,917 --> 00:19:30,125 The surgery was botched. 340 00:19:30,208 --> 00:19:32,708 It did not go according to plan. 341 00:19:32,792 --> 00:19:36,458 And the doctor that actually did that has left the States. 342 00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:38,417 And we haven't been able to find anybody that 343 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:41,667 would be willing to touch it. 344 00:19:41,792 --> 00:19:47,542 Carlee was a really good gymnast until she got twisted 345 00:19:47,667 --> 00:19:50,333 and she had to stop. 346 00:19:50,458 --> 00:19:52,542 Because of the bar, she couldn't bend, 347 00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:55,000 so she couldn't do all of her pretty twirls 348 00:19:55,125 --> 00:19:56,458 and flips anymore. 349 00:19:56,542 --> 00:20:00,167 And she was given lots of pain medication. 350 00:20:00,208 --> 00:20:02,417 HOPE: It was life-changing for her. 351 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:06,708 She was removed from school and it was, I'm sure, 352 00:20:06,833 --> 00:20:11,000 a big strain on her mom and dad financially or just 353 00:20:11,125 --> 00:20:13,833 the stress of it all as well. 354 00:20:13,917 --> 00:20:16,125 CARMEN: Right around the same time as Carlee's surgery, 355 00:20:16,208 --> 00:20:17,708 my parents lost their business. 356 00:20:17,875 --> 00:20:19,458 And I remember being so poor. 357 00:20:19,542 --> 00:20:22,417 We just started bouncing from house to house to house. 358 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:24,333 Neither one of them could work at that point. 359 00:20:24,417 --> 00:20:26,583 They hadn't worked any other job but that. 360 00:20:26,667 --> 00:20:28,833 And it just went downhill from there. 361 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,292 CARMEN: Things got really bad. 362 00:20:37,417 --> 00:20:39,333 We didn't know if my mom was going to be doing 363 00:20:39,417 --> 00:20:41,125 heroin in the kitchen or what. 364 00:20:41,208 --> 00:20:44,417 Carlee was exposed to all kinds of drugs. 365 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:49,833 And she was so used to having to lock down her medicine 366 00:20:49,875 --> 00:20:52,625 because if Carlee had pain management drugs, 367 00:20:52,708 --> 00:20:55,667 her mother is going to go and use them. 368 00:20:55,708 --> 00:20:57,333 CARMEN: Our household was pretty volatile. 369 00:20:57,458 --> 00:20:59,375 Our bedroom was our safe space. 370 00:20:59,375 --> 00:21:01,792 So we had, like, food hoards and stuff 371 00:21:01,875 --> 00:21:03,792 like that so that we would make sure that we 372 00:21:03,875 --> 00:21:05,208 wouldn't have to go out. 373 00:21:05,292 --> 00:21:06,875 My family went really bad south and everything. 374 00:21:06,958 --> 00:21:11,208 Carmen, she's probably the only reason that I was even sane. 375 00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:14,125 It was me and Carmen against everything. 376 00:21:14,208 --> 00:21:18,000 HOPE: Carlee kind of became the mother hen of who she is 377 00:21:18,083 --> 00:21:20,083 in helping take care of Carmen. 378 00:21:20,167 --> 00:21:22,000 They became incredibly close. 379 00:21:22,083 --> 00:21:25,708 And they were just trying to make it out and figure out 380 00:21:25,792 --> 00:21:29,000 what to do to eat or where they were staying and just kind 381 00:21:29,083 --> 00:21:30,250 of keeping up with the chaos. 382 00:21:36,042 --> 00:21:37,375 [serene music] 383 00:21:37,458 --> 00:21:40,625 Aunt Shannon helped to kind of rehab 384 00:21:40,708 --> 00:21:43,708 her up from all the things the doctors had her prescribed. 385 00:21:43,792 --> 00:21:45,750 Got her completely off all the pain medicine 386 00:21:45,833 --> 00:21:49,500 and had her on nothing but Tylenol and ibuprofen. 387 00:21:49,583 --> 00:21:53,583 She was working at a store in downtown Memphis. 388 00:21:53,667 --> 00:21:55,833 And she was on her way to, like, management. 389 00:21:55,875 --> 00:21:58,792 She did not want to take the same path 390 00:21:58,875 --> 00:22:02,000 as other family members did, particularly her mother. 391 00:22:02,083 --> 00:22:05,417 [ominous music] 392 00:22:06,958 --> 00:22:10,417 Our mom was going down that road for a very long time, 393 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,167 so it was almost like we had already mourned her. 394 00:22:13,208 --> 00:22:16,042 We had mourned her for years because she 395 00:22:16,125 --> 00:22:18,042 hadn't been our mom in years. 396 00:22:18,125 --> 00:22:20,167 I think we were both pretty-- 397 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:21,917 pretty disconnected. 398 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,750 I think she was not, you know, depressed over her mom's loss 399 00:22:26,833 --> 00:22:31,000 because she had everything going for her for the first time. 400 00:22:31,083 --> 00:22:34,167 We started making plans about buying a house together 401 00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:36,083 or at least renting a house together. 402 00:22:36,083 --> 00:22:38,500 And then she bumped into Cody. 403 00:22:38,542 --> 00:22:42,958 And I don't know who she is anymore. 404 00:22:43,042 --> 00:22:47,167 I miss my sister even though I know that she's not going to be 405 00:22:47,208 --> 00:22:50,792 what I remember her to be. 406 00:22:50,875 --> 00:22:51,833 OK. 407 00:22:51,917 --> 00:22:54,542 And it does not look like they are 408 00:22:54,625 --> 00:22:59,042 here, which is not a shocker because they're never here. 409 00:22:59,125 --> 00:23:00,333 They're never anywhere. 410 00:23:08,708 --> 00:23:11,250 [sighs] 411 00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:14,125 Addiction has ruined my life in a similar way 412 00:23:14,208 --> 00:23:17,458 that it's ruined Carlee's life. 413 00:23:17,542 --> 00:23:18,875 We didn't get a childhood. 414 00:23:18,958 --> 00:23:20,375 We didn't get stability. 415 00:23:25,917 --> 00:23:27,667 We lost our mom and dad. 416 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:31,833 And now Carlee's addiction and relationship with Cody 417 00:23:31,917 --> 00:23:36,083 have left me orphaned in a new way. 418 00:23:36,167 --> 00:23:40,000 I long for that closeness that I used to have 419 00:23:40,042 --> 00:23:45,208 and that she used to have and that we used to have. 420 00:23:45,292 --> 00:23:46,042 And I'm just alone. 421 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,667 I'm sorry. 422 00:23:55,875 --> 00:23:59,500 I don't know, I was kind of hoping that she would be there. 423 00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:01,167 It just sucks. 424 00:24:01,208 --> 00:24:02,167 Addiction sucks. 425 00:24:19,833 --> 00:24:21,000 [thud] 426 00:24:21,042 --> 00:24:26,083 Oh, my god, [sighs] [bleep] potholes, man. 427 00:24:26,167 --> 00:24:28,000 I am, [bleep] 428 00:24:28,125 --> 00:24:29,500 [bleep] you mean? 429 00:24:29,625 --> 00:24:31,667 I love him, but he can also be the biggest asshole 430 00:24:31,708 --> 00:24:32,958 I've ever known in my life. 431 00:24:33,042 --> 00:24:34,958 [chuckling] 432 00:24:40,208 --> 00:24:42,167 Just push it up. 433 00:24:42,250 --> 00:24:44,292 [groans] All right, thank you. 434 00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:47,000 We're good. 435 00:24:47,042 --> 00:24:48,500 - Drive you home? - No, you're good. 436 00:24:48,542 --> 00:24:49,333 We're good. 437 00:24:49,417 --> 00:24:50,292 Bitch, go. 438 00:24:50,375 --> 00:24:52,333 You're good! 439 00:24:52,417 --> 00:24:55,833 [ominous music] 440 00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:10,875 [sighs] 441 00:25:13,875 --> 00:25:16,208 Cody and Carlee's relationship's toxic. 442 00:25:16,292 --> 00:25:17,875 I know how he talks to her. 443 00:25:17,958 --> 00:25:19,667 And I know that she kind of bows down 444 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:21,125 and lets him walk over her. 445 00:25:24,625 --> 00:25:25,917 Everything could also be better. 446 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,125 I mean, everything could be improved. 447 00:25:29,208 --> 00:25:30,208 100%. 448 00:25:30,292 --> 00:25:32,000 1,000%. 449 00:25:32,125 --> 00:25:34,708 Oh, yeah, I called you a bitch on the way up there by the way. 450 00:25:34,833 --> 00:25:37,750 And I want you to know that I did not mean it that way. 451 00:25:37,833 --> 00:25:40,667 He always be the one to punch someone in the face 452 00:25:40,750 --> 00:25:42,833 first if they're mean to me. - Quit, quit, quit, quit. 453 00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:43,750 What? 454 00:25:47,292 --> 00:25:48,625 OK, never mind, guys. 455 00:25:56,542 --> 00:26:00,000 [pensive music] 456 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,667 AMANDA MARINO: So we have Cody, 27, and Carlee, who's 26. 457 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:08,833 They are using crack cocaine. 458 00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:10,708 They never leave each other's side. 459 00:26:10,792 --> 00:26:13,042 They share everything 50/50 down the middle. 460 00:26:13,125 --> 00:26:14,958 Almost $300 a day habit. 461 00:26:15,042 --> 00:26:16,667 OK. 462 00:26:16,708 --> 00:26:18,583 The home that they live in was given to them for free. 463 00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:21,000 So two-- you know, a couple in active addiction 464 00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:25,167 with a free house is definitely a scary situation. 465 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:28,333 Carlee is feisty, while Cody is more aggressive. 466 00:26:28,417 --> 00:26:29,875 They met in middle school. 467 00:26:29,958 --> 00:26:30,792 Right. 468 00:26:30,875 --> 00:26:32,208 So they bond as children. 469 00:26:32,208 --> 00:26:34,000 So when they reconnect, they reconnect as, hey, 470 00:26:34,042 --> 00:26:35,417 this was my best friend. AMANDA MARINO: Yeah. 471 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:36,458 Hey, I know this person. 472 00:26:36,542 --> 00:26:37,500 I know their family. 473 00:26:37,583 --> 00:26:39,125 He introduced her to crack. 474 00:26:39,125 --> 00:26:41,333 And the following year, they had their first child. 475 00:26:41,375 --> 00:26:43,000 So it's a crack child. 476 00:26:43,042 --> 00:26:45,250 And then October of 2022, the couple 477 00:26:45,333 --> 00:26:47,708 had their second child, a son. 478 00:26:47,792 --> 00:26:51,500 At six months old, their son Carter passed away. 479 00:26:51,583 --> 00:26:54,375 Wow, that's a lot of trauma. 480 00:26:54,458 --> 00:26:56,083 It's a whole lot. 481 00:26:56,167 --> 00:26:59,542 So not only are they sick on drugs, they've lost a child, 482 00:26:59,667 --> 00:27:01,917 they're in a long-term sick relationship. 483 00:27:02,042 --> 00:27:03,708 These guys have a trauma bond. 484 00:27:03,792 --> 00:27:04,750 AMANDA MARINO: It's unique. 485 00:27:04,833 --> 00:27:06,167 It's entirely unique. 486 00:27:06,208 --> 00:27:07,583 That kind of trauma bond is hard to break. 487 00:27:07,708 --> 00:27:09,167 The stakes are extremely high. 488 00:27:09,208 --> 00:27:11,708 They're both in a life-or-death situation. 489 00:27:11,833 --> 00:27:14,250 And I'm extremely concerned for them, their families, 490 00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:15,375 and their children. 491 00:27:15,375 --> 00:27:16,583 DARREN HOBBS: It's a whole lot. 492 00:27:19,667 --> 00:27:22,333 [pensive music] 493 00:27:22,417 --> 00:27:24,250 [radio chatter] 494 00:27:30,542 --> 00:27:32,000 CHARLEE (ON PHONE): [babbling] 495 00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:33,500 She's playing. 496 00:27:33,542 --> 00:27:34,708 Are you being a silly butt? 497 00:27:37,458 --> 00:27:38,667 I love you, baby. 498 00:27:38,708 --> 00:27:40,125 CHARLEE (ON PHONE): Love you, mommy. 499 00:27:40,208 --> 00:27:41,542 Now you're mommy's girl. 500 00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:42,750 I never in a thousand years thought I would 501 00:27:42,833 --> 00:27:44,333 ever be able to have a kid. 502 00:27:44,375 --> 00:27:47,167 CARMEN: We were told that she couldn't have babies 503 00:27:47,250 --> 00:27:49,875 and shouldn't have babies because of her back issues. 504 00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:56,333 I never gained weight, ever. 505 00:27:56,417 --> 00:27:57,167 At all. 506 00:28:01,292 --> 00:28:02,500 [chuckles] 507 00:28:02,667 --> 00:28:04,000 CHARLEE (ON PHONE): [babbling] 508 00:28:04,042 --> 00:28:04,708 She's so cute. 509 00:28:04,792 --> 00:28:05,708 I love her. 510 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,667 And she's the only person I could ever imagine doing that. 511 00:28:11,708 --> 00:28:13,667 That was my only choice. 512 00:28:13,708 --> 00:28:16,583 All right, Mama, I love you. 513 00:28:16,667 --> 00:28:17,750 Love you, Charlee. 514 00:28:17,833 --> 00:28:18,667 We love you, too. 515 00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:20,625 AMY (ON PHONE): Bye 516 00:28:20,708 --> 00:28:22,000 It's so hard hanging up on her. 517 00:28:22,083 --> 00:28:23,500 I know. 518 00:28:23,583 --> 00:28:24,667 Charlee makes my heart flutter. 519 00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:25,708 She's my world. 520 00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:37,292 So I don't believe in anybody doing drugs around children. 521 00:28:44,208 --> 00:28:46,333 AMY: When both of his children were born, 522 00:28:46,375 --> 00:28:49,667 it was the one thing I thought for sure would change them. 523 00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:54,750 But Cody and Carlee gave up their parental rights. 524 00:28:54,833 --> 00:28:58,292 And it hasn't changed or slowed them down one bit. 525 00:28:58,375 --> 00:29:01,792 Um, at times, I even wonder if they care. 526 00:29:05,917 --> 00:29:08,208 Um, I'm not nearly as crazy as I was. 527 00:29:12,708 --> 00:29:14,875 But, legitimately, right after my seizure, 528 00:29:14,958 --> 00:29:17,417 I have a big gash right here. 529 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,208 And then there's little ones. 530 00:29:19,292 --> 00:29:21,083 I hit several things coming down there. 531 00:29:21,208 --> 00:29:22,833 [chuckles] 532 00:29:22,917 --> 00:29:24,167 I must have hit, like, one of those shopping baskets or-- 533 00:29:24,208 --> 00:29:24,958 I think she maybe hit a basket or something. 534 00:29:25,042 --> 00:29:26,292 Yeah. 535 00:29:26,375 --> 00:29:27,917 A basket where they have all this stuff to return in. 536 00:29:28,042 --> 00:29:29,583 CARMEN: Since Carlee has started using, 537 00:29:29,667 --> 00:29:30,958 she started having seizures. 538 00:29:31,042 --> 00:29:33,500 And these seizures just keep happening 539 00:29:33,583 --> 00:29:35,000 closer and closer together. 540 00:29:35,042 --> 00:29:36,708 Did I go in the ambulance? 541 00:29:36,833 --> 00:29:38,208 No, you rode to me literally in the parking lot. 542 00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:39,958 [chuckles] 543 00:29:40,042 --> 00:29:40,958 Y'all did a big circle in the parking lot, and then 544 00:29:41,042 --> 00:29:42,250 you got dropped off in my car. 545 00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:43,833 I do believe that she actually does 546 00:29:43,917 --> 00:29:45,542 have drug-induced seizures. 547 00:29:45,625 --> 00:29:48,250 And I think that if she was clean, she wouldn't have any. 548 00:29:48,333 --> 00:29:51,083 So she needs help because they could kill her. 549 00:29:51,167 --> 00:29:52,583 They came up to my car and was, 550 00:29:52,667 --> 00:29:53,958 like, hey, you know Carlee? 551 00:29:54,042 --> 00:29:55,417 I was, like, yeah. I was like, what the [bleep]? 552 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:56,875 Yeah, they opened up the door to the ambulance. 553 00:29:56,958 --> 00:29:58,833 And your whole [bleep] shirt was literally, 554 00:29:58,917 --> 00:30:00,000 like, dripping with blood. 555 00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:02,625 I was like, what the hell happened? 556 00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:03,917 This is his worst-- 557 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,042 especially here recently, it's been 558 00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:06,375 the worst thing that-- he's always 559 00:30:06,458 --> 00:30:07,417 talking about his worst fear. 560 00:30:10,917 --> 00:30:14,833 Her seizures, that would be my concern. 561 00:30:14,958 --> 00:30:16,833 We definitely got to get that addressed, so-- 562 00:30:27,917 --> 00:30:29,583 Too scary to think about. 563 00:30:29,708 --> 00:30:32,458 We just try not to think about things like that yet. 564 00:30:32,458 --> 00:30:34,667 We're just living life one day at a time. 565 00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:38,167 [ominous music] 566 00:30:41,208 --> 00:30:44,333 c] 567 00:30:49,208 --> 00:30:50,583 DARREN HOBBS: Hey, guys. CHUCK: Hello, Darren. 568 00:30:50,667 --> 00:30:51,667 I'm Chuck. - Nice to meet you. 569 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:52,792 - I'm Cody's father. - I'm Amy. 570 00:30:52,875 --> 00:30:54,208 Hi, Amy. Very nice to meet you. 571 00:30:54,292 --> 00:30:57,000 Addiction is a family disease, and the solution 572 00:30:57,083 --> 00:30:58,833 is also centered in family. 573 00:30:58,958 --> 00:31:00,917 That makes it even more important 574 00:31:00,917 --> 00:31:02,833 that we build trust with the families 575 00:31:02,917 --> 00:31:06,000 so we can get knowledge of what's been going on. 576 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,000 The purpose of today is really be 577 00:31:08,042 --> 00:31:10,750 able to get in front of you guys and see your faces 578 00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:13,833 and introduce myself and to offer hope. 579 00:31:13,917 --> 00:31:15,667 And that's all I've got because he 580 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:19,333 has OD'd already, recently. 581 00:31:19,375 --> 00:31:20,292 And-- 582 00:31:20,375 --> 00:31:21,292 What did he overdose on? 583 00:31:21,292 --> 00:31:24,083 Well, it was crack cocaine, but it 584 00:31:24,167 --> 00:31:26,000 was contaminated with fentanyl. 585 00:31:26,083 --> 00:31:27,417 OK. 586 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,417 About a month ago, I had received a phone call from Cody 587 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,250 and he said, well, I just OD'd for the first time. 588 00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:35,833 He quit breathing. 589 00:31:35,875 --> 00:31:37,292 He turned blue. 590 00:31:37,375 --> 00:31:38,667 He was gone. 591 00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:44,083 And, luckily, his roommate had Narcan 592 00:31:44,167 --> 00:31:46,583 and was able to bring him back before the paramedics got 593 00:31:46,708 --> 00:31:47,417 there. 594 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:52,583 And it just-- it-- 595 00:31:52,708 --> 00:31:54,000 it scares me. 596 00:31:54,125 --> 00:31:56,250 It scares me to death. 597 00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:58,500 Do you guys know how they're making their money? 598 00:31:58,542 --> 00:31:59,667 - Stealing. - Stealing. 599 00:31:59,750 --> 00:32:01,083 Given to him. 600 00:32:01,167 --> 00:32:03,125 He's never had to provide for himself. 601 00:32:03,208 --> 00:32:05,375 Mom and Dad's checkbooks. 602 00:32:05,458 --> 00:32:06,333 Not mine. 603 00:32:06,417 --> 00:32:07,625 OK. 604 00:32:07,708 --> 00:32:08,708 When was the last time you-- they 605 00:32:08,792 --> 00:32:10,292 hit you up for money, Chuck? 606 00:32:10,375 --> 00:32:11,250 Last night. 607 00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:12,958 [chuckles] 608 00:32:13,042 --> 00:32:14,167 How much did you give them? 609 00:32:14,292 --> 00:32:15,417 $100. 610 00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:17,917 He asked for 50, but at first, I told them no. 611 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,750 But I had a $100 bill. 612 00:32:19,833 --> 00:32:22,125 I was saving for something, so I just gave it to him. 613 00:32:22,208 --> 00:32:24,167 He said he'd make it last a couple of days. 614 00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:26,333 I told him, well, you better, so-- 615 00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:28,667 I do not give him money anymore, 616 00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:35,375 but Cody's father is the biggest enabler in Cody's life. 617 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:37,000 I feel guilty. 618 00:32:37,083 --> 00:32:40,708 I wish I had been a better father, paid more attention 619 00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:43,458 to Cody when he was young, but had 620 00:32:43,458 --> 00:32:45,708 a hard time with the drinking and the fighting. 621 00:32:49,792 --> 00:32:53,042 Oh, Chuck's enabling-- 622 00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:55,000 it makes me so angry. 623 00:32:55,083 --> 00:33:00,042 His enabling is what is keeping Cody from wanting help 624 00:33:00,125 --> 00:33:02,833 or even realizing he needs help, which in turn 625 00:33:02,917 --> 00:33:05,792 is making Carlee not get help. 626 00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:08,833 It's a vicious cycle. 627 00:33:08,875 --> 00:33:11,000 I've asked Chuck to stop so many times. 628 00:33:11,083 --> 00:33:17,000 I've cried, I've begged, I feel completely powerless. 629 00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,667 Logan, what's it been like for you 630 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:20,042 watching your brother struggle? 631 00:33:20,125 --> 00:33:21,667 Frustrating, aggravating. 632 00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:25,208 He has never felt the necessity to go and take a risk 633 00:33:25,292 --> 00:33:27,333 for anything that he wants. 634 00:33:27,417 --> 00:33:30,708 Everything's given to him, so why risk feeling uncomfortable? 635 00:33:30,833 --> 00:33:32,833 That sound right to you, Chuck? 636 00:33:32,958 --> 00:33:35,000 You disagree-- disagree with any of it? 637 00:33:35,042 --> 00:33:37,917 No, that's Cody. 638 00:33:38,042 --> 00:33:40,167 When Cody was a kid, he was just 639 00:33:40,208 --> 00:33:42,792 putting it on cruise control and letting someone 640 00:33:42,875 --> 00:33:44,833 else take care of everything. 641 00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:46,625 And that's still his life. 642 00:33:46,708 --> 00:33:48,000 He's just having fun. 643 00:33:48,083 --> 00:33:50,167 He's not having to worry about responsibilities, 644 00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:51,917 any pressures, or anything like that. 645 00:33:52,042 --> 00:33:53,125 Everything's given to him. 646 00:33:53,208 --> 00:33:57,375 And he's just a passenger. 647 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,000 Is there any history of mental health or addiction 648 00:34:00,042 --> 00:34:01,750 on your side of the family? 649 00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:04,750 [sighs] I don't have a lot of answers because I was adopted. 650 00:34:04,833 --> 00:34:05,708 OK. 651 00:34:05,792 --> 00:34:07,625 Chuck, what about you? 652 00:34:07,708 --> 00:34:08,417 OK. 653 00:34:12,208 --> 00:34:15,875 [somber music] 654 00:34:15,958 --> 00:34:16,917 Sorry. 655 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,875 It's OK. 656 00:34:17,958 --> 00:34:19,000 How long ago was that? 657 00:34:19,042 --> 00:34:22,125 Around like 1987. 658 00:34:22,208 --> 00:34:25,250 Is it possible the pain you felt losing your mom 659 00:34:25,333 --> 00:34:28,167 has influenced how hard you've tried to keep Cody alive? 660 00:34:30,958 --> 00:34:32,375 I don't know. 661 00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:35,333 I think Chuck's enabling is due directly 662 00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:37,333 to Chuck's loss of his own mother 663 00:34:37,458 --> 00:34:39,833 to suicide when he was a young man. 664 00:34:39,917 --> 00:34:43,333 And I think he thinks if he can keep Cody safe enough 665 00:34:43,375 --> 00:34:45,917 long enough that logic and reason 666 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,167 will push Cody into treatment. 667 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:50,250 Tell me about Cody and Carlee's relationship. 668 00:34:50,333 --> 00:34:53,667 To me, it's not a relationship. 669 00:34:53,708 --> 00:34:58,833 Cody, he always likes to have somebody there. 670 00:34:58,875 --> 00:35:01,667 Cody, he's too scared to be alone. 671 00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:03,000 Yeah. 672 00:35:03,042 --> 00:35:04,042 So Carlee filled a role in his life. 673 00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:05,333 Absolutely. 674 00:35:05,417 --> 00:35:07,333 They have some weird codependency. 675 00:35:07,375 --> 00:35:08,667 Right. 676 00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:12,750 His is more emotional and just being comfortable, 677 00:35:12,833 --> 00:35:14,125 like, I need somebody there. 678 00:35:14,208 --> 00:35:16,500 Hers is, he can get the money for the drugs, 679 00:35:16,542 --> 00:35:18,708 so I have to have him here because he's 680 00:35:18,792 --> 00:35:20,583 the way I can get drugs. 681 00:35:20,708 --> 00:35:22,542 We want to save both of these guys' lives. 682 00:35:22,625 --> 00:35:25,292 And I think that with the relationship being 683 00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:27,708 as sick as it is, I think their answers 684 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:30,667 are going to be locked, right? 685 00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:31,583 - Together. - Together. 686 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:32,458 Yip. 687 00:35:32,542 --> 00:35:33,833 Right? 688 00:35:33,917 --> 00:35:37,042 Cody and Carlee have a list of complicating factors 689 00:35:37,125 --> 00:35:40,250 that make this intervention a tough one for Amanda and me. 690 00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:43,500 The biggest problems I see are Chuck's enabling 691 00:35:43,583 --> 00:35:46,000 and Cody and Carlee's attachment and codependency 692 00:35:46,042 --> 00:35:47,250 to one another. 693 00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:49,333 Misery loves company, but these guys, 694 00:35:49,417 --> 00:35:51,208 especially, Cody and Carlee, are just going 695 00:35:51,292 --> 00:35:52,750 to be tough to tangle with. 696 00:35:52,833 --> 00:35:56,083 And Amanda and I have to be mindful of all of that 697 00:35:56,167 --> 00:35:57,625 as we approach this. 698 00:35:57,708 --> 00:36:00,333 The good news about addiction is it's treatable. 699 00:36:00,417 --> 00:36:03,208 Addiction can't live where it's not tolerated. 700 00:36:03,292 --> 00:36:05,250 If we can stop the enabling, we can 701 00:36:05,375 --> 00:36:07,167 eventually stop the addiction. 702 00:36:07,292 --> 00:36:08,542 So I'm going to be asking you guys 703 00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:11,458 to really dig in and make this attempt 704 00:36:11,542 --> 00:36:16,167 the best attempt with Cody. 705 00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:19,667 [pensive music] 706 00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:21,583 AMY: Want to call Daddy? 707 00:36:21,708 --> 00:36:24,500 [phone dialing] 708 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:27,500 Hi, Daddy. 709 00:36:27,583 --> 00:36:28,250 Say-- 710 00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:30,500 Say hi to baby girl. 711 00:36:30,542 --> 00:36:31,833 Huh. 712 00:36:31,917 --> 00:36:33,417 CODY (ON PHONE): Carlee's just been arrested. 713 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:35,875 Do what? 714 00:36:35,875 --> 00:36:36,875 [dramatic music] 715 00:36:36,958 --> 00:36:38,250 Carlee's just been arrested? 716 00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:41,708 [sighs] 717 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,833 Carlee's just been arrested? 718 00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:53,125 For what? 719 00:36:53,208 --> 00:36:54,667 I thought y'all were coming here. 720 00:36:58,833 --> 00:37:02,333 [sighs] OK. 721 00:37:02,417 --> 00:37:04,958 CODY (ON PHONE): Mom, they're bringing her out now. 722 00:37:05,042 --> 00:37:06,333 In handcuffs? 723 00:37:08,917 --> 00:37:11,500 Call me back and let me know what's going on, please? 724 00:37:11,583 --> 00:37:13,625 Mommy. 725 00:37:13,708 --> 00:37:15,417 I love you. 726 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:16,000 Bye. 727 00:37:16,125 --> 00:37:17,458 Goodbye. 728 00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:18,625 Daddy. 729 00:37:18,708 --> 00:37:20,958 [sighs] 730 00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:24,542 [somber music] 731 00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:28,667 Hey. 732 00:37:28,708 --> 00:37:29,667 How are y'all? 733 00:37:29,708 --> 00:37:30,833 Been doing good. 734 00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:32,000 How are you guys? - Hi. 735 00:37:32,042 --> 00:37:33,000 Good. 736 00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:34,125 Thanks for coming, y'all. 737 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:34,958 Of course. 738 00:37:39,875 --> 00:37:41,250 I did hear from Cody. 739 00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:43,208 Carlee has been arrested. 740 00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:44,083 ERICA: For what? 741 00:37:44,208 --> 00:37:45,708 AMY: Stealing. 742 00:37:45,792 --> 00:37:47,917 So, I mean, this isn't the first time. 743 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,167 This is how they do it. 744 00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:49,833 ERICA: It's how they make their money. 745 00:37:49,917 --> 00:37:51,167 Yeah. 746 00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:52,208 And she'll be out tomorrow morning. 747 00:37:52,292 --> 00:37:53,583 Who's bonding her out? 748 00:37:53,667 --> 00:37:55,625 AMY: You would have to ask Chuck that. 749 00:37:55,708 --> 00:37:56,167 Oh, my. 750 00:37:56,292 --> 00:37:57,167 Oh, no. 751 00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:58,500 Oh, yeah. 752 00:37:58,583 --> 00:37:59,667 That's how she got out the last time. 753 00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:03,500 He put his house up as collateral. 754 00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:06,500 Before we knew that addiction had really taken a hold, 755 00:38:06,583 --> 00:38:10,000 my cousins and aunt had all tried to support Carlee. 756 00:38:10,042 --> 00:38:14,542 It became enabling, so we had to stop doing that. 757 00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:18,708 But now Chuck is definitely part of the problem. 758 00:38:18,875 --> 00:38:20,833 I think without Chuck, they probably 759 00:38:20,917 --> 00:38:24,750 wouldn't be able to get away with as much as they have. 760 00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:26,292 Try Cody. 761 00:38:26,375 --> 00:38:28,917 [phone dialling] 762 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,750 AMY: Come here. 763 00:38:32,708 --> 00:38:34,042 Hello. 764 00:38:34,042 --> 00:38:35,500 Cody. 765 00:38:35,583 --> 00:38:36,750 CARLEE (ON PHONE): Say what? 766 00:38:40,042 --> 00:38:43,750 So you didn't get arrested? 767 00:38:43,833 --> 00:38:48,458 He said they were bringing you out in handcuffs. 768 00:38:48,542 --> 00:38:51,333 [sighs] Y'all are just living on the edge. 769 00:38:51,375 --> 00:38:54,667 Listen, are y'all going to still come by here? 770 00:38:54,708 --> 00:38:56,333 To see Charlee. 771 00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:59,292 Your Aunt Shannon's here and Hope and Erica. 772 00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:03,875 Love you. 773 00:39:03,958 --> 00:39:05,292 Love you. 774 00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:07,375 Hmm, they brought her out in handcuffs, 775 00:39:07,458 --> 00:39:08,833 but she didn't go to jail. 776 00:39:08,875 --> 00:39:10,125 Right. 777 00:39:10,208 --> 00:39:11,958 It's just typical of the merry-go-round 778 00:39:12,042 --> 00:39:15,833 that we all have to be on because they choose it. 779 00:39:15,917 --> 00:39:17,500 - And not be able to get off. - Yeah. 780 00:39:17,583 --> 00:39:19,208 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. 781 00:39:19,292 --> 00:39:23,667 At this point, this is normal, but I would have never ever, 782 00:39:23,708 --> 00:39:26,167 ever, ever thought in a million years this is how she 783 00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:27,708 would choose to live her life. 784 00:39:38,708 --> 00:39:41,458 HOPE: I am very worried about Carlee and her safety. 785 00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:44,000 Stealing is going to put her in jail again. 786 00:39:44,083 --> 00:39:46,583 Or heaven forbid, stealing from a property, 787 00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:49,708 these owners come back and try to take 788 00:39:49,792 --> 00:39:51,333 things into their own hands. 789 00:39:51,417 --> 00:39:53,417 A week or so ago, they were at a store 790 00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:55,750 that they had apparently stolen from in the past. 791 00:39:55,833 --> 00:39:58,750 And the employee recognized them, 792 00:39:58,875 --> 00:40:03,625 so started shooting at them as they were leaving the store. 793 00:40:03,708 --> 00:40:08,833 I'm afraid if the drugs don't kill them, someone will. 794 00:40:08,917 --> 00:40:12,417 [ominous music] 795 00:40:13,875 --> 00:40:17,375 [pensive music] 796 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:25,500 Hey, Carlee. 797 00:40:25,583 --> 00:40:27,583 How're you doing, little girl? 798 00:40:27,667 --> 00:40:28,250 Hey. 799 00:40:28,375 --> 00:40:29,250 Did you really? 800 00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:30,500 What is going on? 801 00:40:30,542 --> 00:40:31,917 Why won't he come in? 802 00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:40,542 What the heck happened? 803 00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:45,792 They threw water on me supposedly 804 00:40:45,875 --> 00:40:48,208 when I was having my seizure because they didn't believe it. 805 00:40:48,292 --> 00:40:49,958 And when I didn't, like-- 806 00:40:50,042 --> 00:40:51,208 React to it. 807 00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:52,250 --I was supposed to do, I guess, 808 00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:54,417 they were like holy [bleep]! 809 00:40:54,542 --> 00:40:58,458 We're going to be arrested ourselves. 810 00:40:58,542 --> 00:41:00,167 CARMEN: Since Carlee has started using, 811 00:41:00,292 --> 00:41:02,250 she started having seizures. 812 00:41:02,333 --> 00:41:04,542 And these seizures just keep happening 813 00:41:04,667 --> 00:41:06,167 closer and closer together. 814 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:08,250 You know they make medication for that, right, baby? 815 00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:09,625 Yes, they do. 816 00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:11,083 They take forever to give it to you, though. 817 00:41:11,167 --> 00:41:13,292 Have you even been to the doctor for it, though? 818 00:41:13,375 --> 00:41:15,083 I've been to the hospital. 819 00:41:15,167 --> 00:41:17,333 I don't think Carlee's medicated for her seizures 820 00:41:17,417 --> 00:41:20,167 because that would mean that she'd 821 00:41:20,208 --> 00:41:22,042 actually have to go to the doctor 822 00:41:22,042 --> 00:41:23,792 and take care of herself. 823 00:41:23,875 --> 00:41:27,458 But she's too busy running the streets 824 00:41:27,542 --> 00:41:31,667 to find drugs to actually show up at a doctor. 825 00:41:31,792 --> 00:41:33,917 Luckily, the police officer lady that was there, 826 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,167 her sister has seizures, so she kind of knew what to do. 827 00:41:37,208 --> 00:41:40,833 I think Carlee is needing help ASAP at this point, 828 00:41:40,917 --> 00:41:42,875 but unfortunately, the thing that 829 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,083 would keep Carlee from going to treatment would be. 830 00:41:46,167 --> 00:41:47,167 Cody 831 00:41:47,208 --> 00:41:48,625 What's wrong? 832 00:41:48,708 --> 00:41:49,708 The whole family's here. 833 00:41:49,833 --> 00:41:51,208 They just want a quick visit. 834 00:41:56,417 --> 00:41:59,333 Don't you want to see Charlee? 835 00:41:59,417 --> 00:42:00,458 [sighs] 836 00:42:00,542 --> 00:42:06,292 AMY: Charlee, you go say hello? 837 00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:07,250 Come here. 838 00:42:11,875 --> 00:42:14,125 Huh? 839 00:42:14,208 --> 00:42:15,958 Charlee, psst. 840 00:42:16,042 --> 00:42:19,083 CARMEN: Charlee doesn't really know Carlee all that much. 841 00:42:19,167 --> 00:42:20,875 Huh? 842 00:42:20,958 --> 00:42:23,333 A lot of times, she doesn't really want to be held by her 843 00:42:23,417 --> 00:42:25,833 and kind of is a little shy with her. 844 00:42:25,917 --> 00:42:31,000 I really want to see Cody and Carlee get clean and sober 845 00:42:31,042 --> 00:42:37,375 and be a family that I know they could be for Charlee. 846 00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:39,208 But I don't see that-- 847 00:42:39,292 --> 00:42:41,458 I don't see that happening. 848 00:42:41,542 --> 00:42:43,250 [babbling] 849 00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:44,833 Go that way? 850 00:42:44,917 --> 00:42:45,500 Yeah. 851 00:42:45,542 --> 00:42:47,000 [chuckling] 852 00:42:47,083 --> 00:42:50,000 Mommy's not going to do that one. 853 00:42:50,042 --> 00:42:52,000 I don't feel good. 854 00:42:52,083 --> 00:42:53,542 HOPE: Oh, I think you're being paged. 855 00:42:53,625 --> 00:42:54,875 CARLEE: OK. 856 00:42:54,958 --> 00:42:56,500 Yeah, I am. 857 00:42:56,542 --> 00:42:59,167 Cody and Carlee have a very toxic relationship. 858 00:43:03,917 --> 00:43:05,917 HOPE: She's definitely become dependent on Cody 859 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,667 even though he is very aggressive and dominating. 860 00:43:11,792 --> 00:43:14,083 She is controlled by him. 861 00:43:14,167 --> 00:43:17,500 He's able to say, act, go, whatever. 862 00:43:17,583 --> 00:43:21,167 And she just goes with it because she has 863 00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:24,625 a relationship with somebody. 864 00:43:24,708 --> 00:43:26,292 They think that he's stolen me, 865 00:43:26,375 --> 00:43:29,250 he's the reason that this has happened, he's this and that. 866 00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:30,583 They're not around. 867 00:43:30,667 --> 00:43:31,625 - They're not around. - Love you. 868 00:43:31,708 --> 00:43:33,000 Love you. 869 00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:34,292 CARMEN: I do think that my sister molds herself 870 00:43:34,417 --> 00:43:35,708 to anybody that she dates. 871 00:43:35,792 --> 00:43:37,917 She's in such a state of delusion. 872 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,500 And I'm scared that we've completely lost her. 873 00:43:40,625 --> 00:43:41,375 [hoots] 874 00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:42,417 [banging] 875 00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:43,292 She's coming. 876 00:44:05,625 --> 00:44:09,667 Cody gets so angry over the smallest thing 877 00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:13,875 if things do not go his way when he wants it. 878 00:44:15,792 --> 00:44:17,958 Cody, what's the matter? 879 00:44:18,042 --> 00:44:20,125 Why? 880 00:44:20,208 --> 00:44:21,000 What happened? 881 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:34,792 I love you. 882 00:44:34,875 --> 00:44:37,000 Carlee will continue tolerating 883 00:44:37,083 --> 00:44:38,875 this kind of behavior from Cody as long 884 00:44:38,958 --> 00:44:41,083 as he feeds this addiction. 885 00:44:41,167 --> 00:44:43,833 And I am really afraid of what that's going to escalate to. 886 00:44:47,458 --> 00:44:50,833 [pensive music] 887 00:44:55,917 --> 00:44:58,042 AMANDA MARINO: Thank you so much for being here today. 888 00:44:58,125 --> 00:45:01,000 In this situation of Carlee, tell me a little bit about, 889 00:45:01,083 --> 00:45:02,833 from your perspective, what's going on. 890 00:45:02,917 --> 00:45:05,250 She is very addicted to drugs. 891 00:45:05,333 --> 00:45:09,667 And it's just progressed very heavily when her son 892 00:45:09,792 --> 00:45:11,583 died a couple of weeks ago. 893 00:45:11,583 --> 00:45:12,833 It was a couple of weeks ago? 894 00:45:12,917 --> 00:45:14,458 Yes. 895 00:45:14,542 --> 00:45:17,458 And she had to call to break the news to me that someone passed. 896 00:45:17,542 --> 00:45:21,125 In my mind, I immediately went to, well, Carlee's dead. 897 00:45:21,208 --> 00:45:23,417 I'm just waiting on that call at this point. 898 00:45:23,542 --> 00:45:26,625 And so, what's-- from your perspective, what's going on? 899 00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:29,750 I have been pretty much no contact with her 900 00:45:29,833 --> 00:45:31,292 for about three years, which is when 901 00:45:31,375 --> 00:45:32,875 it started getting really bad. 902 00:45:32,958 --> 00:45:35,792 Um, but she's starting to have seizures. 903 00:45:35,875 --> 00:45:39,167 And it's becoming more and more life-threatening. 904 00:45:39,292 --> 00:45:42,083 What brought you to the moment of the no contact? 905 00:45:42,167 --> 00:45:46,250 My mother was an addict and pretty much my entire family. 906 00:45:46,333 --> 00:45:49,292 When Carlee became addicted, I'd been through it 907 00:45:49,375 --> 00:45:53,000 so many different times, I couldn't allow myself to fall 908 00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:56,250 back into those same routines of no stability, always 909 00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:59,375 wondering where she is, and always trying to help 910 00:45:59,375 --> 00:46:00,708 but not being able to. 911 00:46:00,792 --> 00:46:03,042 We have also had no contact with her at all. 912 00:46:03,125 --> 00:46:05,333 And what propelled you to get to that place? 913 00:46:05,458 --> 00:46:07,083 We had to protect ourselves. 914 00:46:07,083 --> 00:46:10,000 Carlee's family, they've been through so much. 915 00:46:10,083 --> 00:46:12,042 But with the choices that they've made 916 00:46:12,042 --> 00:46:13,958 and boundaries that they've created, 917 00:46:14,042 --> 00:46:16,500 they're willing to show up in this kind of way, which 918 00:46:16,542 --> 00:46:19,000 is the best kind of way you can even with everything 919 00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:20,500 that they've been through. 920 00:46:20,625 --> 00:46:23,458 And that says a lot about their ability to get Cody 921 00:46:23,542 --> 00:46:24,833 and Carlee to accept the help. 922 00:46:24,917 --> 00:46:27,000 What do you think of Cody? 923 00:46:27,083 --> 00:46:33,000 So she was two years off of anything more than a Tylenol 924 00:46:33,083 --> 00:46:35,542 or ibuprofen when she met Cody. 925 00:46:35,667 --> 00:46:37,167 He gave her that attention and that love 926 00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:39,542 and affection that she didn't get from Mom and Dad. 927 00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:41,250 Absolutely. 928 00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:44,458 The only time that we see him, it's when he's completely 929 00:46:44,542 --> 00:46:46,333 just belligerently angry. 930 00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:48,833 Breaking windows and yelling at his mother-- 931 00:46:48,875 --> 00:46:50,125 - So you've seen these. - --or my sister. 932 00:46:50,125 --> 00:46:51,042 AMANDA MARINO: You've witnessed these. 933 00:46:51,042 --> 00:46:51,833 - Yes - Oh, yes. 934 00:46:51,917 --> 00:46:53,167 Wow, that's scary. 935 00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:56,500 I'm not convinced he's not abusive towards her 936 00:46:56,583 --> 00:46:57,583 in this point, too. 937 00:46:57,708 --> 00:46:59,000 And, I mean, we've-- 938 00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,333 We know she would hide it. 939 00:47:00,417 --> 00:47:01,333 AMANDA MARINO: Of course. 940 00:47:01,375 --> 00:47:03,083 Because she has before. 941 00:47:03,208 --> 00:47:05,583 Carlee has been in an abusive relationship before from about 942 00:47:05,667 --> 00:47:09,000 11 until probably about 18. 943 00:47:09,083 --> 00:47:12,792 And she hid this from us, like, all of the physical abuse. 944 00:47:12,875 --> 00:47:15,667 Until one day, she was probably about 18, 945 00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:18,292 he hit her in the face. 946 00:47:18,375 --> 00:47:21,458 And I believe that Cody has learned how to weaponize 947 00:47:21,542 --> 00:47:23,083 his anger in a similar way. 948 00:47:23,167 --> 00:47:26,083 And that absolutely terrifies me. 949 00:47:28,708 --> 00:47:31,000 Anything you remember about her 950 00:47:31,042 --> 00:47:34,667 when she was at her best that, like, could still be in there? 951 00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:36,958 She called me from a blocked number 952 00:47:37,042 --> 00:47:40,167 last year on her birthday to make 953 00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:43,000 sure that I didn't forget that it was her sister's birthday. 954 00:47:43,042 --> 00:47:44,917 And to please call her so that she would feel 955 00:47:45,042 --> 00:47:46,667 loved by the rest of the family. 956 00:47:46,750 --> 00:47:49,375 And to me, that made me think, OK, well, something in her 957 00:47:49,458 --> 00:47:50,542 still cares. 958 00:47:50,625 --> 00:47:52,375 That is good information for me. 959 00:47:52,458 --> 00:47:54,917 Tonight, I learned that there is some leverage 960 00:47:55,042 --> 00:47:57,875 and some positive motivation with Carlee with her family. 961 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,792 There's still that connection there. 962 00:47:59,875 --> 00:48:02,000 And that could help me and help our team with, 963 00:48:02,125 --> 00:48:04,000 you know, getting Carlee to seek help. 964 00:48:04,042 --> 00:48:06,917 I want to, you know, not just see Carlee get help. 965 00:48:07,042 --> 00:48:09,125 I want to see her have a lasting change. 966 00:48:09,208 --> 00:48:11,167 Have healing in the generational trauma. 967 00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:13,125 So we definitely need you. 968 00:48:13,208 --> 00:48:14,833 And you're both willing to be involved? 969 00:48:14,917 --> 00:48:15,708 - Absolutely. - Yeah. 970 00:48:15,792 --> 00:48:17,000 OK. All the way? 971 00:48:17,042 --> 00:48:18,042 - All the way. - All the way. 972 00:48:24,208 --> 00:48:26,833 They both are addicted to crack cocaine. 973 00:48:26,917 --> 00:48:28,667 It's just something that we do just 974 00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:30,667 like if you play Parcheesi. 975 00:48:30,792 --> 00:48:31,792 Yeah, OK, I'll hide. 976 00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:33,000 [chuckles] 977 00:48:33,042 --> 00:48:34,000 They got to steal for a living. 978 00:48:34,083 --> 00:48:35,250 Carlee's just been arrested? 979 00:48:37,875 --> 00:48:39,625 Her seizure's too scary to think about. 980 00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:41,917 We just try not to think about things like that yet. 981 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,292 I'm not convinced he's not abusive towards her. 982 00:48:46,375 --> 00:48:48,500 AMY: Cody, what's the matter? 983 00:48:48,583 --> 00:48:51,750 It's just spiraling even more out of control. 984 00:48:51,875 --> 00:48:52,667 It's a lot of trauma. 985 00:48:52,792 --> 00:48:54,167 It's a whole lot. 986 00:48:54,250 --> 00:48:57,333 I think they used the drugs to numb the pain. 987 00:48:57,458 --> 00:48:59,375 They never have to see rock bottom 988 00:48:59,458 --> 00:49:01,708 because everything's handed to them on a silver platter. 989 00:49:01,792 --> 00:49:03,500 When was the last time they hit you up for money, Chuck? 990 00:49:03,542 --> 00:49:05,000 Last night. 991 00:49:05,042 --> 00:49:08,500 [chuckles] I just fear for him being without. 992 00:49:08,583 --> 00:49:09,292 It's horrible. 993 00:49:11,917 --> 00:49:12,875 [giggles] 994 00:49:12,958 --> 00:49:14,417 AMY: They're enjoying this. 995 00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,875 If Cody and Carlee don't get help, 996 00:49:16,958 --> 00:49:18,417 it's going to end their lives. 997 00:49:24,042 --> 00:49:27,458 [pensive music] 998 00:49:31,458 --> 00:49:33,583 - Amanda, that's Eric Kraft. - Eric, so nice to meet you. 999 00:49:33,708 --> 00:49:35,333 - Good to meet you. - Thanks for being here. 1000 00:49:35,417 --> 00:49:38,083 Eric is working with me doing security and more hostile, 1001 00:49:38,167 --> 00:49:40,042 young men stuff, so he's a really 1002 00:49:40,125 --> 00:49:41,542 good fit for this intervention. 1003 00:49:41,667 --> 00:49:45,042 [ominous music] 1004 00:49:51,875 --> 00:49:53,250 Can you run us through everything 1005 00:49:53,375 --> 00:49:54,833 that kind of speaks to the volatility 1006 00:49:54,875 --> 00:49:56,125 and unpredictability? 1007 00:49:56,208 --> 00:49:58,792 Yeah, unpredictability is the biggest word. 1008 00:49:58,792 --> 00:50:01,000 At first, the worst behavior was just 1009 00:50:01,083 --> 00:50:03,167 extremely high-speed driving. 1010 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:06,750 He eventually led to make threats to the crew. 1011 00:50:06,833 --> 00:50:09,000 DARREN HOBBS: And what kind of threats were they making? 1012 00:50:09,083 --> 00:50:10,667 Cody and Carlee came home. 1013 00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:14,958 And Cody was extremely agitated that the film crew was there. 1014 00:50:15,042 --> 00:50:17,167 He went straight to his vehicle and said 1015 00:50:17,208 --> 00:50:19,458 he is going to drive the vehicle straight 1016 00:50:19,542 --> 00:50:21,708 through the garage, the exact spot 1017 00:50:21,792 --> 00:50:23,167 that the entire crew was at. 1018 00:50:23,208 --> 00:50:24,667 Wow. 1019 00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:26,250 Whether it's an empty threat or it's a legit threat, 1020 00:50:26,375 --> 00:50:28,125 we have to take all of those things very seriously, 1021 00:50:28,208 --> 00:50:29,708 you know. They're on crack cocaine. 1022 00:50:29,792 --> 00:50:31,250 They're very unpredictable. - Yes. 1023 00:50:31,333 --> 00:50:33,458 When we were first digging into this case, 1024 00:50:33,542 --> 00:50:35,708 it didn't present that Cody was dangerous. 1025 00:50:35,792 --> 00:50:39,000 But we're seeing erratic, aggressive behaviors 1026 00:50:39,042 --> 00:50:41,500 that can put us in jeopardy. 1027 00:50:41,542 --> 00:50:43,583 ERIC: I think we have ways that we can really do this. 1028 00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:45,833 The first one being Johnson model intervention, 1029 00:50:45,917 --> 00:50:49,750 where the guests of honor are invited into a surprise 1030 00:50:49,833 --> 00:50:50,958 to talk about their addiction. 1031 00:50:51,042 --> 00:50:52,542 That is how this typically works. 1032 00:50:52,625 --> 00:50:54,500 Which I'm completely not comfortable with, 1033 00:50:54,583 --> 00:50:56,333 with the parameters of what we've learned. 1034 00:50:56,375 --> 00:50:58,458 His behavior is just way too unpredictable. 1035 00:50:58,542 --> 00:50:59,875 Right. 1036 00:50:59,958 --> 00:51:01,667 Scenario two, you know, an Invitational model, 1037 00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:04,625 where we offer them a conversation about recovery. 1038 00:51:04,708 --> 00:51:07,125 That's, like, the best way to disarm someone who's 1039 00:51:07,208 --> 00:51:09,333 a threat or unpredictable. 1040 00:51:09,375 --> 00:51:11,542 If I'm working with someone who's hostile, 1041 00:51:11,625 --> 00:51:13,875 surprising them with an intervention 1042 00:51:13,958 --> 00:51:16,083 can be extremely dangerous. 1043 00:51:16,167 --> 00:51:18,292 Sometimes inviting them to the process, 1044 00:51:18,417 --> 00:51:21,167 letting them know what's happening, can lessen the blow. 1045 00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:23,375 I would feel comfortable right now saying, option two, 1046 00:51:23,458 --> 00:51:24,708 I'd feel pretty good about. 1047 00:51:24,792 --> 00:51:26,167 At this moment, I do, too. 1048 00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:28,500 There's no guarantees in any intervention. 1049 00:51:28,542 --> 00:51:32,667 And given the unpredictability of high-frequency crack usage, 1050 00:51:32,708 --> 00:51:35,167 it's ultimately really important for Amanda and I 1051 00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:37,958 to stay in best practice while being able to pivot 1052 00:51:38,042 --> 00:51:40,042 given the need. 1053 00:51:40,125 --> 00:51:41,750 Circumstances can change on a dime. 1054 00:51:41,833 --> 00:51:45,042 And we need to be able to think just as quickly 1055 00:51:45,125 --> 00:51:46,667 and move everybody in a safe space. 1056 00:51:46,708 --> 00:51:48,542 It's about getting Cody and Carlee the help 1057 00:51:48,667 --> 00:51:51,000 that they need, the family the help that they need, 1058 00:51:51,042 --> 00:51:52,667 and keeping all of us safe in the process. 1059 00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:53,708 Right. 1060 00:51:53,833 --> 00:51:56,000 Yeah, OK. 1061 00:51:56,042 --> 00:51:59,458 [somber music] 1062 00:52:03,917 --> 00:52:06,333 AMANDA MARINO: Thank you all for being here with us today. 1063 00:52:06,375 --> 00:52:07,583 My name is Amanda Marino. 1064 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:09,083 I know I met a couple of you last night. 1065 00:52:09,208 --> 00:52:10,833 And I'm Darren Hobbs. 1066 00:52:10,875 --> 00:52:13,333 I got the pleasure of working with Cody's family yesterday. 1067 00:52:13,375 --> 00:52:15,292 We got two lives to save. 1068 00:52:15,375 --> 00:52:19,375 We've also got a grandbaby, so we've got a lot of work to do. 1069 00:52:19,458 --> 00:52:22,333 Family unity throughout an intervention process 1070 00:52:22,458 --> 00:52:26,833 is key to success, not only for the addict and treatment 1071 00:52:26,875 --> 00:52:30,292 but for the system that he or she is going to come home to. 1072 00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:33,542 If we can get everybody in the right lane at home, 1073 00:52:33,625 --> 00:52:35,667 we've got a great chance to get everyone healthy. 1074 00:52:35,708 --> 00:52:41,167 What we want to accomplish today is outline enabling behaviors. 1075 00:52:41,292 --> 00:52:42,917 Let's agree to stop them. 1076 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,583 And let's put a practical plan in place to make that happen. 1077 00:52:45,708 --> 00:52:48,833 Because we do need an immediate yes to a "go to treatment" 1078 00:52:48,917 --> 00:52:50,750 out of these guys because I think their lives 1079 00:52:50,833 --> 00:52:52,167 are in danger. 1080 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:53,375 They're literally in danger every day. 1081 00:52:53,458 --> 00:52:54,833 - Every day. - It gets worse every day. 1082 00:52:54,875 --> 00:52:56,083 AMANDA MARINO: Absolutely. 1083 00:52:56,208 --> 00:52:57,875 So let's talk about boundaries. 1084 00:52:57,958 --> 00:53:00,542 Let's talk about consequences, right? 1085 00:53:00,625 --> 00:53:03,625 Amy, what's the toughest set of boundaries and consequences 1086 00:53:03,708 --> 00:53:05,333 you could come up with? 1087 00:53:05,417 --> 00:53:10,125 If I have to keep him out of my life and Charlee's life 1088 00:53:10,208 --> 00:53:14,083 after all of this, I'm prepared to do that. 1089 00:53:14,167 --> 00:53:15,958 I'll do anything. 1090 00:53:16,042 --> 00:53:16,833 Anything. 1091 00:53:16,917 --> 00:53:17,708 AMANDA MARINO: OK. 1092 00:53:17,792 --> 00:53:19,167 My heart hears you. 1093 00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:21,500 And I want that to rub off on the man next to you. 1094 00:53:21,583 --> 00:53:23,208 You've got to. 1095 00:53:23,292 --> 00:53:25,083 DARREN HOBBS: I need you in the same spot, man. 1096 00:53:25,167 --> 00:53:26,750 Yeah, I know. 1097 00:53:26,833 --> 00:53:29,167 In the past month, how much cash have they hit you for? 1098 00:53:29,208 --> 00:53:30,333 Oh, I don't know. 1099 00:53:30,417 --> 00:53:32,750 Probably at least 1,000, I'm sure. 1100 00:53:32,833 --> 00:53:33,750 Maybe more. 1101 00:53:33,833 --> 00:53:34,708 AMY: The car was 4,000. 1102 00:53:34,792 --> 00:53:36,333 The car was enough, yeah. 1103 00:53:36,458 --> 00:53:39,250 Plus, they live in your property? 1104 00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:41,417 Chuck, are you today willing to stop 1105 00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,333 immediately doing those things? 1106 00:53:44,417 --> 00:53:46,083 I'm not going to put them on the street. 1107 00:53:46,167 --> 00:53:47,417 AMANDA MARINO: Well, it's not putting them on the street, 1108 00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:48,833 it's offering them treatment. 1109 00:53:48,917 --> 00:53:51,167 See now, Carlee doesn't have them to lean on, 1110 00:53:51,167 --> 00:53:53,417 so now you hold the cards for Carlee. 1111 00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,333 It's actually really hard to sit here and not blame you 1112 00:53:56,417 --> 00:53:58,667 for my sister's destruction right now 1113 00:53:58,708 --> 00:54:01,500 because we did everything to make sure that she 1114 00:54:01,583 --> 00:54:03,333 wanted to come back home. 1115 00:54:03,458 --> 00:54:07,583 And you offer her everything that she could possibly want. 1116 00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:10,458 And so, here we are losing our sister, 1117 00:54:10,542 --> 00:54:11,667 our niece, and our cousin. 1118 00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:13,458 Right. 1119 00:54:13,542 --> 00:54:15,625 Now their boundaries don't even work without you on board. 1120 00:54:15,708 --> 00:54:18,167 ERICA: You have to let them hit their rock bottom. 1121 00:54:18,208 --> 00:54:21,500 I mean, their kids weren't their rock bottom. 1122 00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:23,750 DARREN HOBBS: Chuck, everything I need from you, the house 1123 00:54:23,875 --> 00:54:25,292 goes away immediately. 1124 00:54:25,375 --> 00:54:27,167 The car, if there's any remaining balance on it, 1125 00:54:27,292 --> 00:54:28,958 you stop paying it. 1126 00:54:29,042 --> 00:54:32,000 Financial assistance of every kind dries up immediately. 1127 00:54:32,125 --> 00:54:33,417 If they refuse to leave the home, 1128 00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,000 we get law enforcement involved immediately. 1129 00:54:36,042 --> 00:54:38,208 And again, we're not throwing them on the street. 1130 00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:39,667 We're offering both of them-- 1131 00:54:39,792 --> 00:54:41,208 AMANDA MARINO: --very nice treatment. 1132 00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:42,667 --very nice treatment centers. 1133 00:54:42,792 --> 00:54:44,792 I would love to have my son back. 1134 00:54:44,875 --> 00:54:48,125 Are you willing to do every single thing that we just named 1135 00:54:48,208 --> 00:54:50,750 to help save Cody and Carlee? 1136 00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:51,792 You have to, please? 1137 00:54:51,875 --> 00:54:54,000 I'll do my-- 1138 00:54:54,083 --> 00:54:55,167 I'll do my best. 1139 00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:56,833 No, that's not good enough. 1140 00:54:56,917 --> 00:54:58,125 No, no, no, no. 1141 00:54:58,208 --> 00:54:59,750 DARREN HOBBS: I need 100%, Chuck. 1142 00:54:59,833 --> 00:55:00,583 We all do. 1143 00:55:00,708 --> 00:55:01,292 These guys do. 1144 00:55:01,375 --> 00:55:02,458 We're begging you. 1145 00:55:02,542 --> 00:55:03,542 AMANDA MARINO: They're begging you. 1146 00:55:03,625 --> 00:55:05,458 I know. AMY: We're begging you. 1147 00:55:05,458 --> 00:55:08,042 CARMEN: This is two families that lives are being destroyed. 1148 00:55:08,125 --> 00:55:09,167 We need-- 1149 00:55:09,250 --> 00:55:10,542 Everybody has to be on board. 1150 00:55:14,125 --> 00:55:15,125 AMANDA MARINO: OK. 1151 00:55:15,208 --> 00:55:16,875 I think you're up for it. 1152 00:55:16,958 --> 00:55:19,292 And from that point, I think that we can talk about how 1153 00:55:19,375 --> 00:55:21,042 we want to get in touch with these guys 1154 00:55:21,042 --> 00:55:22,500 and possibly invite them. 1155 00:55:22,583 --> 00:55:24,375 And see if we can get in front of them. 1156 00:55:24,458 --> 00:55:26,042 We both agree that the traditional, 1157 00:55:26,125 --> 00:55:28,458 you come in, it's a surprise, this 1158 00:55:28,542 --> 00:55:31,000 is not safe for anybody in the room considering that Cody 1159 00:55:31,167 --> 00:55:35,000 offered to drive his truck through the garage full of crew 1160 00:55:35,042 --> 00:55:36,500 members. 1161 00:55:36,542 --> 00:55:38,333 Crack use, typically, will help someone become 1162 00:55:38,417 --> 00:55:40,000 more violent more quickly. 1163 00:55:40,083 --> 00:55:43,667 It will help someone lose their impulse control. 1164 00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:47,458 And Cody seems to have all of that going on right now. 1165 00:55:47,542 --> 00:55:50,333 We're going to initiate a phone call to Cody and Carlee. 1166 00:55:50,417 --> 00:55:52,125 And we're going to invite them to a family 1167 00:55:52,125 --> 00:55:55,083 meeting that's scheduled for tomorrow mid-morning. 1168 00:55:55,208 --> 00:55:57,042 All intervention models are effective. 1169 00:55:57,125 --> 00:55:59,167 In Cody and Carlee's case, there is 1170 00:55:59,292 --> 00:56:01,500 a lot of violence and threats. 1171 00:56:01,625 --> 00:56:03,458 So giving them a heads up or inviting 1172 00:56:03,583 --> 00:56:06,708 them to the family meeting is the safest for everyone. 1173 00:56:06,833 --> 00:56:10,958 I would just worry that they would get that and then-- 1174 00:56:11,042 --> 00:56:12,417 --vamp. 1175 00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:13,583 But it's better than ambushing and having 1176 00:56:13,667 --> 00:56:14,750 to put people in danger. - And having-- 1177 00:56:14,875 --> 00:56:15,833 We can't have that. 1178 00:56:15,917 --> 00:56:17,500 We just can't have a surprise with 1179 00:56:17,583 --> 00:56:18,958 their unpredictable behavior. 1180 00:56:19,042 --> 00:56:20,583 OK. 1181 00:56:20,583 --> 00:56:22,667 The risks with the Invitational model for Cody 1182 00:56:22,750 --> 00:56:25,667 and Carlee are they could just tell us to, you know, 1183 00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:28,667 F-off or they could not show up or we 1184 00:56:28,792 --> 00:56:30,625 could lose them completely. 1185 00:56:30,708 --> 00:56:33,583 But with so many people's lives at risk, 1186 00:56:33,667 --> 00:56:35,667 this is the only option we have. 1187 00:56:35,708 --> 00:56:37,708 So let's game this phone call out, OK? 1188 00:56:37,792 --> 00:56:39,667 Chuck's going to be using Amy's phone. 1189 00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:41,917 And say, hey, I want to invite you to a family meeting 1190 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,625 tomorrow. 1191 00:56:43,708 --> 00:56:45,125 Tell them there'll be a car there to pick them up 10:30. 1192 00:56:45,208 --> 00:56:46,042 Are you ready? 1193 00:56:46,125 --> 00:56:46,958 We're ready. 1194 00:56:47,042 --> 00:56:47,958 OK, you go over there. 1195 00:56:48,042 --> 00:56:49,542 Yeah. 1196 00:56:49,625 --> 00:56:50,917 AMANDA MARINO: Say a little prayer inside your head. 1197 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:51,875 Let me know when. 1198 00:56:51,958 --> 00:56:52,792 Fire away. 1199 00:56:52,875 --> 00:56:56,000 [phone dialing] 1200 00:56:59,167 --> 00:57:01,125 Hey. 1201 00:57:01,208 --> 00:57:02,417 Your dad, fool. 1202 00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,667 [chuckles] 1203 00:57:04,792 --> 00:57:05,917 I know. 1204 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,542 [chuckles] We're talking about some things. 1205 00:57:07,625 --> 00:57:09,500 We're going to have a family meeting tomorrow. 1206 00:57:09,542 --> 00:57:11,667 And I'm going to pick you up at 10:30 tomorrow. 1207 00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:15,375 And, um, we're going to sit down and just talk. 1208 00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:18,042 We're going to have Logan and-- 1209 00:57:18,125 --> 00:57:19,042 We're going to have a-- 1210 00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:27,792 mily. 1211 00:57:27,875 --> 00:57:29,333 And I'm going to pick you up. 1212 00:57:29,417 --> 00:57:31,958 And, uh, we're going to sit down and just talk. 1213 00:57:35,125 --> 00:57:37,333 I love you, baby. 1214 00:57:37,375 --> 00:57:38,708 OK. 1215 00:57:38,792 --> 00:57:39,958 Hey. CODY (ON PHONE): Hey. 1216 00:57:40,042 --> 00:57:41,917 We're going to pick you and Carlee up. 1217 00:57:44,708 --> 00:57:48,167 Cody, it's to talk about our family. 1218 00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:49,042 --and Charlee. 1219 00:57:49,125 --> 00:57:50,375 (WHISPERS) Butcher shop. 1220 00:57:50,375 --> 00:57:52,167 Butcher shop. 1221 00:57:52,208 --> 00:57:54,708 OK, we'll meet you at the butcher shop at 10:30. 1222 00:57:59,125 --> 00:58:00,667 OK, just don't listen. 1223 00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:02,792 OK, we're just wanting to talk to you, 1224 00:58:02,875 --> 00:58:07,083 so can we pick you up at 10:30 tomorrow? 1225 00:58:07,167 --> 00:58:10,583 We got to-- we got to go, but I'll see you at 10:30. 1226 00:58:13,042 --> 00:58:14,708 OK. 1227 00:58:14,792 --> 00:58:15,917 DARREN HOBBS: Good work. Good work. 1228 00:58:16,042 --> 00:58:17,500 Good job, guys. CARMEN: You did so good. 1229 00:58:17,542 --> 00:58:19,333 All right, guys. 1230 00:58:19,417 --> 00:58:21,833 Listen, that was amazing on both your part. 1231 00:58:21,917 --> 00:58:23,458 They're freaking out that now. 1232 00:58:23,542 --> 00:58:25,333 That's-- that's OK. 1233 00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:26,958 He just went into bully mode. 1234 00:58:27,042 --> 00:58:28,208 It took him four seconds 1235 00:58:28,292 --> 00:58:29,500 AMY: Yip. 1236 00:58:29,542 --> 00:58:30,833 DARREN HOBBS: I'm not doing this. 1237 00:58:30,958 --> 00:58:32,458 I'm not doing that. I'm going to punch somebody. 1238 00:58:32,542 --> 00:58:34,375 And that's a small bite of what's coming tomorrow. 1239 00:58:34,458 --> 00:58:36,042 He's going to be full of heat. 1240 00:58:36,167 --> 00:58:37,292 CHUCK: Yeah. 1241 00:58:37,375 --> 00:58:38,458 But we've got an agreement out of them 1242 00:58:38,542 --> 00:58:39,875 right now for 10:30 tomorrow. 1243 00:58:39,958 --> 00:58:42,000 If or when we don't hear from them, 1244 00:58:42,125 --> 00:58:46,042 we say we don't mind bringing this family meeting to you. 1245 00:58:46,042 --> 00:58:47,000 OK. 1246 00:58:47,042 --> 00:58:48,458 And we're on the way. 1247 00:58:48,542 --> 00:58:50,708 What about when they start blowing them up tonight? 1248 00:58:50,792 --> 00:58:52,083 My phone's going off. 1249 00:58:52,167 --> 00:58:53,958 OK, they could show up tonight at your house? 1250 00:58:54,042 --> 00:58:55,625 - True. - OK, what happens if they do? 1251 00:58:55,708 --> 00:58:57,167 Could you go to a hotel? 1252 00:58:57,250 --> 00:58:58,708 No, I'll be fine at home. 1253 00:58:58,792 --> 00:59:00,333 AMANDA MARINO: But I'm just concerned for safety 1254 00:59:00,417 --> 00:59:01,625 of both of you being home tonight 1255 00:59:01,708 --> 00:59:03,792 with them knowing something's up. 1256 00:59:03,875 --> 00:59:05,125 No. 1257 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:06,875 I wouldn't know. 1258 00:59:06,958 --> 00:59:08,750 AMANDA MARINO: OK, can you not contact Cody and Carlee tonight 1259 00:59:08,833 --> 00:59:10,250 and not respond to anything? 1260 00:59:10,333 --> 00:59:11,833 Can you give us all that word? 1261 00:59:11,917 --> 00:59:12,833 Yeah. 1262 00:59:12,917 --> 00:59:13,833 Yeah, I won't. DARREN HOBBS: OK. 1263 00:59:13,958 --> 00:59:14,542 I won't. 1264 00:59:14,625 --> 00:59:16,292 AMANDA MARINO: OK. 1265 00:59:16,292 --> 00:59:21,500 There are so many hurdles in the case of Carlee and Cody. 1266 00:59:21,583 --> 00:59:23,167 However, I think what we did with Chuck, 1267 00:59:23,292 --> 00:59:26,500 you know, we got him to commit and hold these boundaries 1268 00:59:26,625 --> 00:59:27,875 and these bottom lines. 1269 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,833 So we definitely put a huge dent in what 1270 00:59:30,875 --> 00:59:33,250 you can do in a few hours with this family system. 1271 00:59:33,375 --> 00:59:36,833 For tomorrow, me, you, and Logan will be in my truck 1272 00:59:36,917 --> 00:59:38,875 and drive over to the butcher shop parking lot 1273 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,042 to pick them up. 1274 00:59:40,125 --> 00:59:41,125 Amanda would be here. 1275 00:59:41,208 --> 00:59:42,583 Back here with family. 1276 00:59:42,667 --> 00:59:44,333 And we're going to do a family meeting here. 1277 00:59:44,417 --> 00:59:47,792 [pensive music] 1278 00:59:51,250 --> 00:59:54,292 Tomorrow, we're going to need this exact energy. 1279 00:59:54,375 --> 00:59:55,542 And we're going to need open hearts 1280 00:59:55,625 --> 00:59:59,250 and open ears on their part. 1281 00:59:59,333 --> 01:00:00,333 All right. 1282 01:00:00,375 --> 01:00:02,250 You can do this, Chuck, OK? 1283 01:00:02,333 --> 01:00:03,250 You can do this. 1284 01:00:03,250 --> 01:00:05,250 I'm serious. 1285 01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:08,708 [ominous music] 1286 01:00:11,625 --> 01:00:12,750 Logan, what's up, dude? 1287 01:00:12,833 --> 01:00:14,000 I've got you on speaker with Amanda. 1288 01:00:14,083 --> 01:00:15,125 Hey. 1289 01:00:15,208 --> 01:00:15,958 LOGAN (ON PHONE): Hey. 1290 01:00:20,625 --> 01:00:21,583 Damn it. 1291 01:00:34,417 --> 01:00:35,167 Oh, my god. 1292 01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:36,000 I knew it. 1293 01:00:39,042 --> 01:00:40,625 No, that's absolute-- you were here. 1294 01:00:40,708 --> 01:00:41,833 - No. - You heard that. 1295 01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:43,125 - Thank you. - Thank you, Logan. 1296 01:00:43,208 --> 01:00:44,167 Good work. 1297 01:00:44,208 --> 01:00:44,625 AMANDA MARINO: Thank you. 1298 01:00:44,708 --> 01:00:46,833 You're amazing. 1299 01:00:46,958 --> 01:00:47,958 All right. 1300 01:00:48,042 --> 01:00:49,583 Unbelievable, not even an hour. 1301 01:00:49,708 --> 01:00:51,708 Now I don't even know if tomorrow he's going to hold. 1302 01:00:51,833 --> 01:00:53,250 I don't know if he'll hold any of the boundaries. 1303 01:00:53,375 --> 01:00:56,000 Now I think he just told a whole room of people a bunch of BS 1304 01:00:56,042 --> 01:00:57,625 so we would just leave him alone. 1305 01:00:57,708 --> 01:00:58,875 Right. Should we call him? 1306 01:00:58,958 --> 01:00:59,875 AMANDA MARINO: Yeah. - Let's go. 1307 01:01:04,625 --> 01:01:06,667 Hey, Chuck. 1308 01:01:06,792 --> 01:01:09,167 Hey, man, I just wanted to check on you. 1309 01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:12,083 Make sure you're holding to the boundaries we agreed to. 1310 01:01:12,167 --> 01:01:20,667 Yeah 1311 01:01:20,708 --> 01:01:22,333 What concerns me is that we made 1312 01:01:22,417 --> 01:01:23,667 an agreement that there was going 1313 01:01:23,833 --> 01:01:25,500 to be no conversation tonight. - At all. 1314 01:01:25,583 --> 01:01:26,458 At all. 1315 01:01:26,542 --> 01:01:27,792 And if we've already-- 1316 01:01:27,875 --> 01:01:29,333 if we're already breaking our word, 1317 01:01:29,417 --> 01:01:32,917 then that gives me concern for the outcome tomorrow already. 1318 01:01:36,958 --> 01:01:38,458 AMANDA MARINO: We need you to please 1319 01:01:38,542 --> 01:01:41,458 not have any more contact until tomorrow no matter what. 1320 01:01:41,542 --> 01:01:42,917 Please. 1321 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,042 It's, like, life or death that you stick to this. 1322 01:01:45,125 --> 01:01:48,333 Chuck, can we have your word again? 1323 01:01:48,417 --> 01:01:50,625 Will you keep it this time? 1324 01:01:50,708 --> 01:01:54,708 CHUCK (ON PHONE) [sighs] 1325 01:01:54,792 --> 01:01:57,292 Listen, don't give him a shoulder to cry on. 1326 01:01:57,375 --> 01:01:58,750 Don't give him an ear to listen. 1327 01:01:58,833 --> 01:02:02,333 Don't give him a dollar to go buy crack. 1328 01:02:02,417 --> 01:02:03,208 All right. 1329 01:02:03,292 --> 01:02:04,250 All right, Chuck. 1330 01:02:04,333 --> 01:02:05,375 We're counting on you, dude. 1331 01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:07,417 We need you. 1332 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:08,292 OK, bye. 1333 01:02:08,375 --> 01:02:10,708 All right. 1334 01:02:10,792 --> 01:02:13,208 I've given Chuck the keys to success on how 1335 01:02:13,292 --> 01:02:14,708 to stop enabling his son. 1336 01:02:14,792 --> 01:02:16,875 And he's yet to agree to use them. 1337 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,333 My biggest fear is if we can't get Chuck stopped 1338 01:02:20,458 --> 01:02:23,500 from enabling, Cody and Carlee will never have a chance 1339 01:02:23,583 --> 01:02:25,708 to agree to go to treatment. - This is to another level. 1340 01:02:25,792 --> 01:02:27,333 He couldn't even do it 20 minutes. 1341 01:02:27,375 --> 01:02:31,333 He's as dangerous to Cody and Carlee as crack cocaine. 1342 01:02:31,417 --> 01:02:32,333 AMANDA MARINO: Oh, he is. 1343 01:02:32,417 --> 01:02:33,125 He is. 1344 01:02:38,542 --> 01:02:40,250 c music] 1345 01:02:40,375 --> 01:02:42,250 DARREN HOBBS: Chuck, I need you to be strong today, dude. 1346 01:02:42,333 --> 01:02:45,125 A lot of pressure, I know, but I think you can pull it off. 1347 01:02:45,208 --> 01:02:49,833 So did they attempt to contact you any further last night? 1348 01:02:49,917 --> 01:02:51,417 The plan as of right now, I'm going 1349 01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:54,833 to take Chuck and Logan and Eric, he's security on my team. 1350 01:02:54,958 --> 01:02:58,292 Due to Cody's unpredictability and impulsivity and kind 1351 01:02:58,375 --> 01:03:00,708 of pensions for violence, I wanted Eric around to make 1352 01:03:00,792 --> 01:03:02,417 sure we all stayed safe. 1353 01:03:02,542 --> 01:03:04,917 Amanda's back at the house with the ladies of Carlee's family 1354 01:03:05,042 --> 01:03:06,833 and also Amy, Cody's mom. 1355 01:03:06,875 --> 01:03:10,375 [pensive music] 1356 01:03:17,292 --> 01:03:21,125 Have you heard from either Cody or Carlee today? 1357 01:03:21,208 --> 01:03:23,500 I have not heard from them since yesterday 1358 01:03:23,542 --> 01:03:25,000 when we were here. 1359 01:03:25,042 --> 01:03:26,250 - OK, not a text, not a call? - Not a text. 1360 01:03:26,375 --> 01:03:27,375 - Nothing. - Nothing. 1361 01:03:27,375 --> 01:03:28,833 OK. 1362 01:03:28,875 --> 01:03:30,917 I did text Chuck last night when I found out. 1363 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,000 And I told him I could not believe 1364 01:03:33,083 --> 01:03:36,333 that he went against everything he had promised all of us. 1365 01:03:36,375 --> 01:03:41,042 And he could ruin everything that we've worked so hard for. 1366 01:03:41,125 --> 01:03:42,875 I feel so helpless right now. 1367 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,083 We were relying on a weak man. 1368 01:03:47,167 --> 01:03:50,542 And he did exactly what we thought he was going to do. 1369 01:03:50,625 --> 01:03:52,000 He failed. 1370 01:03:52,125 --> 01:03:55,792 I don't want us to argue with Cody and Carlee. 1371 01:03:55,792 --> 01:03:57,500 This is going to be a straight-up, hey, 1372 01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:58,833 man, look, we're worried about you, 1373 01:03:58,875 --> 01:04:00,375 we're worried for your life. 1374 01:04:00,458 --> 01:04:03,292 And we want to make you an offer to change your life. 1375 01:04:03,375 --> 01:04:06,667 He thinks he's saving Cody and Carlee. 1376 01:04:06,708 --> 01:04:07,542 He's killing them. 1377 01:04:07,667 --> 01:04:09,417 But he doesn't get it. 1378 01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:10,333 But he doesn't see it. 1379 01:04:14,417 --> 01:04:19,083 Fear of pain of running out of drugs and the word no 1380 01:04:19,167 --> 01:04:20,917 is what's going to save your son's life. 1381 01:04:21,042 --> 01:04:22,667 That's what's going to save Carlee's life. 1382 01:04:22,708 --> 01:04:24,000 Today is the day. 1383 01:04:24,042 --> 01:04:26,000 But their being able to make a good decision 1384 01:04:26,083 --> 01:04:28,667 is going to be dependent on you being able to deliver 1385 01:04:28,750 --> 01:04:29,833 these consequences. 1386 01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:34,208 CHUCK: No. 1387 01:04:34,292 --> 01:04:34,958 LOGAN: No. 1388 01:04:38,667 --> 01:04:40,292 11:00. 1389 01:04:40,375 --> 01:04:44,375 Um, so we'll give them another few minutes. 1390 01:04:51,958 --> 01:04:55,042 I don't know if he's actually going to show up. 1391 01:04:55,125 --> 01:04:57,125 If they're awake, they're probably smoking crack. 1392 01:04:57,208 --> 01:04:59,167 If they were up till 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, 1393 01:04:59,250 --> 01:05:01,958 they might not even be awake right now. 1394 01:05:02,042 --> 01:05:04,083 We'll go over there and try to do this in person. 1395 01:05:04,167 --> 01:05:05,125 Are you down for that? 1396 01:05:08,708 --> 01:05:09,875 Let's try it out. 1397 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:10,958 We'll head over there. 1398 01:05:15,875 --> 01:05:17,000 Which house is it? 1399 01:05:17,083 --> 01:05:19,000 This one right here on the left. 1400 01:05:19,083 --> 01:05:21,375 DARREN HOBBS: There is no car in the rear of this house. 1401 01:05:21,458 --> 01:05:22,792 Typical addict behavior. 1402 01:05:22,875 --> 01:05:24,333 Sure. 1403 01:05:24,375 --> 01:05:25,958 DARREN HOBBS: Cody and Carlee are runners. 1404 01:05:26,042 --> 01:05:28,333 I think that they believe that they're gone too far 1405 01:05:28,417 --> 01:05:31,333 and staying high is much more comfortable than doing 1406 01:05:31,458 --> 01:05:32,625 the work to get healthy. 1407 01:05:32,708 --> 01:05:34,375 Logan, you got a number for him? 1408 01:05:34,458 --> 01:05:35,958 LOGAN: Sure. 1409 01:05:36,042 --> 01:05:37,042 DARREN HOBBS: Let's see where I can get with him. 1410 01:05:37,125 --> 01:05:38,708 And if or when they hang up on me, 1411 01:05:38,792 --> 01:05:42,000 I'm going to text them explain exactly what's on the table 1412 01:05:42,083 --> 01:05:43,708 for them as far as an offer of treatment 1413 01:05:43,792 --> 01:05:45,042 and see if they're interested. 1414 01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:47,250 And we'll take the conversation from there. 1415 01:05:47,333 --> 01:05:49,167 AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Sorry, mailbox is full. 1416 01:05:51,875 --> 01:05:54,500 Let's see, Cody. 1417 01:05:54,625 --> 01:05:56,333 Darren just sent a screenshot. 1418 01:05:56,375 --> 01:05:59,333 He wrote to Cody and Carlee's cell phone. 1419 01:05:59,375 --> 01:06:01,500 "Hi, Cody and Carlee, my name is Darren, 1420 01:06:01,583 --> 01:06:03,792 I'd like to offer you a life-changing experience 1421 01:06:03,875 --> 01:06:05,333 of treatment. 1422 01:06:05,375 --> 01:06:07,000 Would you be interested in a fresh start in life? 1423 01:06:07,083 --> 01:06:09,125 Can meet anywhere you feel safe. 1424 01:06:09,208 --> 01:06:11,417 Dad and Logan would love to meet and talk." 1425 01:06:11,542 --> 01:06:14,708 He wrote back, "Hi, Darren, bye Darren. 1426 01:06:14,833 --> 01:06:15,833 Life's a bitch. 1427 01:06:15,875 --> 01:06:17,042 Be a bitch back. 1428 01:06:17,125 --> 01:06:18,500 [bleep] off and have a nice day. 1429 01:06:18,583 --> 01:06:19,458 Stop calling me." 1430 01:06:19,542 --> 01:06:20,583 [somber music] 1431 01:06:20,667 --> 01:06:22,000 I'm very disappointed. 1432 01:06:22,083 --> 01:06:23,208 AMANDA MARINO: OK. 1433 01:06:23,292 --> 01:06:25,167 We're all here trying to help them, 1434 01:06:25,208 --> 01:06:31,625 and to be treated that way about it is infuriating. 1435 01:06:31,708 --> 01:06:33,208 ERICA: So emotional. 1436 01:06:33,333 --> 01:06:36,042 My cousin's heart is broken, my aunt's heart is broken, 1437 01:06:36,125 --> 01:06:37,958 and that makes me furious. 1438 01:06:40,917 --> 01:06:43,083 DARREN HOBBS: Everyone is distraught, you know. 1439 01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:45,833 These guys are beaten. 1440 01:06:45,875 --> 01:06:48,333 Aside from Chuck, we've had a 100% buy-in 1441 01:06:48,417 --> 01:06:51,542 from everyone else who's participated in prepping 1442 01:06:51,667 --> 01:06:53,000 for this intervention. 1443 01:06:53,042 --> 01:06:55,000 And there's a lot of hurt feelings right now. 1444 01:06:55,125 --> 01:06:58,083 I just had Amy and Carmen call. 1445 01:06:58,208 --> 01:06:59,208 Did they get through? 1446 01:06:59,292 --> 01:07:01,000 No, but I did recommend that you 1447 01:07:01,042 --> 01:07:02,542 and I come up with a unified text 1448 01:07:02,625 --> 01:07:04,417 message offer of treatment. 1449 01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:05,792 Offer of treatment. 1450 01:07:05,875 --> 01:07:07,417 Talk about programs up in a good way. 1451 01:07:07,542 --> 01:07:09,875 Tell them the truth about what they're right now turning down 1452 01:07:09,875 --> 01:07:11,583 but can accept. 1453 01:07:11,667 --> 01:07:13,333 And what their individual boundaries are and whatever 1454 01:07:13,375 --> 01:07:16,000 they want to personally say, but have it via a unified message. 1455 01:07:16,042 --> 01:07:17,333 And then just go from there. 1456 01:07:17,417 --> 01:07:18,125 Yeah. 1457 01:07:27,708 --> 01:07:29,000 Let's do it. 1458 01:07:29,125 --> 01:07:30,625 Cody and Carlee have been obstinate. 1459 01:07:30,708 --> 01:07:33,167 They've been defiant about this entire process. 1460 01:07:33,208 --> 01:07:36,625 But the truth is I've seen abstinence and defiance 1461 01:07:36,708 --> 01:07:38,542 melt over just a text. 1462 01:07:38,667 --> 01:07:41,500 And Cody and Carlee will be able to read that they are loved 1463 01:07:41,542 --> 01:07:44,042 and that they are precious to their families, 1464 01:07:44,125 --> 01:07:46,292 but that their addiction no longer runs the show. 1465 01:07:52,042 --> 01:07:54,375 CARMEN: How dare you! 1466 01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:55,667 You called them! 1467 01:07:55,708 --> 01:07:58,917 I looked you in the eyes and I chose kindness! 1468 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,500 You don't deserve the kindness that I gave you last night! 1469 01:08:03,583 --> 01:08:05,833 You're [bleep] killing my sister, 1470 01:08:05,875 --> 01:08:08,792 and you're killing your son, and you killed your grandson! 1471 01:08:14,042 --> 01:08:17,167 , 1472 01:08:17,292 --> 01:08:19,333 and you killed your grandson! 1473 01:08:19,375 --> 01:08:21,167 If they didn't have those [bleep] drugs, 1474 01:08:21,292 --> 01:08:23,833 he'd probably still be alive. 1475 01:08:23,875 --> 01:08:24,792 I don't have to. 1476 01:08:24,875 --> 01:08:26,167 You gave them a house! 1477 01:08:26,250 --> 01:08:27,833 You gave them a car! 1478 01:08:27,917 --> 01:08:29,292 You give them money! 1479 01:08:29,375 --> 01:08:32,000 Gave them money yesterday after you looked at me! 1480 01:08:32,083 --> 01:08:34,750 You looked at all of us and promised! 1481 01:08:34,875 --> 01:08:39,375 You promised to set boundaries and you did [bleep] all! 1482 01:08:39,458 --> 01:08:41,000 [shouting] 1483 01:08:41,042 --> 01:08:42,792 No, no, no, no. 1484 01:08:42,875 --> 01:08:45,167 No, [bleep] you! 1485 01:08:45,250 --> 01:08:47,958 Yeah, you're [bleep] killing your own son 1486 01:08:48,042 --> 01:08:49,667 and you're OK with it! 1487 01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:51,500 My mom's dead because of it! 1488 01:08:51,583 --> 01:08:53,333 I'm going to have to bury another [bleep] 1489 01:08:53,417 --> 01:08:55,083 family member because of it-- 1490 01:08:55,208 --> 01:08:56,458 because of you! 1491 01:08:56,542 --> 01:08:57,542 Yeah. 1492 01:08:57,625 --> 01:09:00,792 You are the sole provider of this issue. 1493 01:09:00,875 --> 01:09:02,167 It is you! 1494 01:09:02,208 --> 01:09:04,333 If you didn't give them anything, 1495 01:09:04,375 --> 01:09:06,667 if they continued to do it, it'd be of their own volition, 1496 01:09:06,833 --> 01:09:08,167 but you're allowing it. 1497 01:09:08,292 --> 01:09:11,083 And I have begged you, Chuck, for years to stop. 1498 01:09:11,167 --> 01:09:12,750 Stop giving them money. 1499 01:09:12,833 --> 01:09:15,333 And you tell me all the time, I know, I've got to stop. 1500 01:09:15,417 --> 01:09:17,958 You've got to stop being the "good guy" for them 1501 01:09:18,042 --> 01:09:19,542 and give them hard luck. 1502 01:09:19,625 --> 01:09:21,167 LOGAN: We're all on the same side. 1503 01:09:21,250 --> 01:09:23,000 And you gave us your word. 1504 01:09:23,083 --> 01:09:25,542 And you're mad that we bring it up to you, 1505 01:09:25,625 --> 01:09:28,375 and we were all hoping that you would just keep your word 1506 01:09:28,458 --> 01:09:29,792 until the meeting today. 1507 01:09:29,875 --> 01:09:32,250 I believe because of the boundary being gone back 1508 01:09:32,333 --> 01:09:33,833 on last night is a big part of the reason 1509 01:09:33,875 --> 01:09:35,833 they're not here today. I think they might be here. 1510 01:09:35,875 --> 01:09:36,667 - Yes. - No. 1511 01:09:36,708 --> 01:09:38,167 It is. 1512 01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:39,542 And this is-- if you commit to something fully, 1513 01:09:39,625 --> 01:09:41,542 it doesn't mean you can twist and bob 1514 01:09:41,625 --> 01:09:44,000 and weave it to your version of making it OK. 1515 01:09:44,042 --> 01:09:46,167 So if you can't be ready, how can we expect 1516 01:09:46,208 --> 01:09:47,625 Cody and Carlee to be ready? 1517 01:09:47,708 --> 01:09:50,208 There's no way that they can be ready until you are. 1518 01:09:50,333 --> 01:09:53,333 They know they can get through and get whatever they want 1519 01:09:53,417 --> 01:09:55,000 because you have a weak spot for them 1520 01:09:55,083 --> 01:09:56,333 and they're exploiting that. 1521 01:09:56,375 --> 01:09:58,625 You're being played by a bunch of addicts. 1522 01:09:58,708 --> 01:10:01,208 When every single person in your life, including all 1523 01:10:01,292 --> 01:10:03,458 the professionals are telling you a message, 1524 01:10:03,542 --> 01:10:05,875 this is real, regardless of what your brain tells you. 1525 01:10:05,875 --> 01:10:07,958 This is the way it has to be or they're going to die. 1526 01:10:08,042 --> 01:10:09,417 Mm, yeah. 1527 01:10:09,542 --> 01:10:10,875 AMANDA MARINO: So we need to move on today. 1528 01:10:10,958 --> 01:10:13,333 And we need to send them a message-- unified message. 1529 01:10:13,375 --> 01:10:15,833 And we need to take some action steps today. 1530 01:10:15,917 --> 01:10:18,375 We've got the messaging lined out if everybody wants 1531 01:10:18,458 --> 01:10:20,333 to join us in the big room. 1532 01:10:20,417 --> 01:10:24,167 And let's prepare ourselves to send a lasting message of hope 1533 01:10:24,292 --> 01:10:25,958 to these guys, OK? 1534 01:10:26,042 --> 01:10:27,417 Darren and I came and prepared. 1535 01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:29,708 We had backup plan for backup plan for backup plan. 1536 01:10:29,792 --> 01:10:31,625 But also, there's nothing that anyone 1537 01:10:31,708 --> 01:10:34,958 can do if Chuck isn't willing to do the steps he needs to take. 1538 01:10:35,042 --> 01:10:37,458 There's no way Cody and Carlee on their own cognizant 1539 01:10:37,542 --> 01:10:40,625 are going to go seek help unless they have some consequences. 1540 01:10:40,708 --> 01:10:42,333 If these boundaries aren't held, it could 1541 01:10:42,417 --> 01:10:44,292 propel them to get even worse. 1542 01:10:44,375 --> 01:10:45,667 So these have to be held. 1543 01:10:45,792 --> 01:10:47,792 And you can put, like, at the end your own-- 1544 01:10:47,875 --> 01:10:50,667 I miss you, whatever is your own personal. 1545 01:10:50,792 --> 01:10:52,625 But that's the standard unified message. 1546 01:10:52,708 --> 01:10:54,583 Chuck, are you really going to do this [bleep]? 1547 01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:56,333 I need to know. 1548 01:10:56,375 --> 01:10:57,542 I'll do my best. 1549 01:10:57,542 --> 01:10:58,583 The commitment of doing your best 1550 01:10:58,667 --> 01:11:00,417 is not going to help anything. 1551 01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:02,417 Cody and Carlee cannot be helped until you're helped, 1552 01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:03,792 until you're 100%. 1553 01:11:03,875 --> 01:11:05,125 Look, guys, I understand. 1554 01:11:05,208 --> 01:11:06,250 It's a lot of pressure all at once. 1555 01:11:06,333 --> 01:11:07,500 Just please, god. 1556 01:11:07,542 --> 01:11:08,750 - It's life or death. - I know. 1557 01:11:08,833 --> 01:11:10,000 And there's already been a baby dead. 1558 01:11:10,042 --> 01:11:11,500 This is life or death. 1559 01:11:11,583 --> 01:11:12,833 So, like, you're not taking this [bleep] seriously. 1560 01:11:12,917 --> 01:11:14,375 You're not hearing cries. You're not hearing-- 1561 01:11:14,458 --> 01:11:15,625 You're stupid with this [bleep], man. 1562 01:11:15,708 --> 01:11:16,833 Chuck. 1563 01:11:16,875 --> 01:11:18,042 It's just too stupid with the [bleep], man. 1564 01:11:18,167 --> 01:11:19,333 It's not stupid, it's the truth. 1565 01:11:19,375 --> 01:11:21,125 We'll learn how to deal with [bleep] better. 1566 01:11:21,208 --> 01:11:22,208 Help me better. 1567 01:11:22,292 --> 01:11:23,542 Not talk like [bleep] idiots. 1568 01:11:23,625 --> 01:11:24,458 They tried talk to you nice yesterday. 1569 01:11:24,542 --> 01:11:25,250 I'm out of here. I'm off. 1570 01:11:25,375 --> 01:11:26,083 [bleep] y'all. 1571 01:11:26,208 --> 01:11:27,833 No one's an idiot here. 1572 01:11:27,875 --> 01:11:28,917 I don't want this [bleep]. 1573 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,500 Somebody better get it, man. 1574 01:11:31,583 --> 01:11:33,667 DARREN HOBBS: Let's just remember he's a sick man. 1575 01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:36,167 He's just as sick as Cody and Carlee, if not sicker. 1576 01:11:36,208 --> 01:11:37,375 Yeah. 1577 01:11:37,458 --> 01:11:39,042 There is something in his history 1578 01:11:39,125 --> 01:11:41,583 that makes this sound like the scariest thing in the world. 1579 01:11:41,667 --> 01:11:44,917 Because he thinks if he gives Cody all of these ultimatums, 1580 01:11:45,042 --> 01:11:45,958 Cody will kill himself. 1581 01:11:46,042 --> 01:11:47,125 He's going to do it anyway. 1582 01:11:47,208 --> 01:11:48,583 That's what he fears. 1583 01:11:48,667 --> 01:11:51,083 But it's either he points the gun at Cody or Cody 1584 01:11:51,167 --> 01:11:52,542 does it himself. AMY: Right. 1585 01:11:52,667 --> 01:11:54,375 And right now, he's just pointed a gun at his kid. 1586 01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:57,250 This is avoidance, this is fear. 1587 01:11:57,375 --> 01:11:59,167 You heard me ask him, was losing your mom 1588 01:11:59,208 --> 01:12:02,625 to suicide part of the reason why you protect Cody so much? 1589 01:12:02,708 --> 01:12:04,000 And he couldn't put it together. 1590 01:12:04,042 --> 01:12:06,000 So we came here to help these two families out. 1591 01:12:06,042 --> 01:12:09,417 The biggest challenge that faces both team Cody and team Carlee 1592 01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,917 is Chuck and all the cards that he holds. 1593 01:12:12,042 --> 01:12:14,542 Without his continued enabling, their addiction 1594 01:12:14,667 --> 01:12:16,833 won't have any wind behind it. 1595 01:12:16,917 --> 01:12:18,792 And ultimately, we can get them some help. 1596 01:12:18,875 --> 01:12:22,250 But right now, Chuck is scared to do that. 1597 01:12:22,333 --> 01:12:23,500 This is not done. 1598 01:12:23,583 --> 01:12:24,917 We want to know if you hear anything. 1599 01:12:25,042 --> 01:12:27,625 We want to know if anything unfortunate happens. 1600 01:12:27,708 --> 01:12:29,542 And I want to know how I can support in any way. 1601 01:12:29,625 --> 01:12:31,208 And I know that Darren, the same. 1602 01:12:31,292 --> 01:12:32,167 Like, we're here. 1603 01:12:32,292 --> 01:12:33,625 We're not going anywhere. 1604 01:12:33,708 --> 01:12:36,333 Intervention is a process, not just an event. 1605 01:12:36,375 --> 01:12:38,792 It's not just a conversation for one day. 1606 01:12:38,875 --> 01:12:41,208 So what we hope to do moving forward with these guys 1607 01:12:41,292 --> 01:12:44,333 is continue to help them get strong and stay in their lanes. 1608 01:12:44,417 --> 01:12:46,333 And if we can get the boundaries in place, 1609 01:12:46,375 --> 01:12:47,708 we can then move Cody and Carlee. 1610 01:12:47,792 --> 01:12:49,333 And ultimately, get them some help. 1611 01:12:59,292 --> 01:13:02,750 [pensive music] 1612 01:13:04,458 --> 01:13:06,083 DARREN HOBBS: I'm back in Memphis for Cody and Carlee 1613 01:13:06,208 --> 01:13:08,333 to make another offer of treatment. 1614 01:13:08,417 --> 01:13:10,708 Get in front of these guys and, um, give them 1615 01:13:10,792 --> 01:13:12,542 a chance to change their lives. 1616 01:13:12,667 --> 01:13:14,500 What I'm hearing from both of their families 1617 01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:16,125 is that things are getting worse. 1618 01:13:27,458 --> 01:13:29,958 So right now I'm driving to see Cody's mother, Amy 1619 01:13:30,042 --> 01:13:32,875 because before I get face time with Cody and Carlee, 1620 01:13:32,958 --> 01:13:36,125 I want to get some background info on the last six weeks. 1621 01:13:36,208 --> 01:13:41,167 And see if it informs my approach for our intervention. 1622 01:13:41,292 --> 01:13:42,333 Thank you for having me over. 1623 01:13:42,375 --> 01:13:43,417 AMY: Thanks for coming. 1624 01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:44,500 So catch me up. 1625 01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:45,500 How are you? 1626 01:13:45,625 --> 01:13:47,125 How's things with Cody? 1627 01:13:47,208 --> 01:13:50,083 I've only seen him one time since you guys left. 1628 01:13:50,167 --> 01:13:54,250 He visited for about 15 minutes and then had to go. 1629 01:13:54,333 --> 01:13:55,917 Since six weeks ago. 1630 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,500 Has there been any incidents that you're aware of? 1631 01:13:58,542 --> 01:14:00,583 I just found out this morning that there 1632 01:14:00,708 --> 01:14:04,708 was apparently a scene at their house last night. 1633 01:14:04,833 --> 01:14:05,625 OK. 1634 01:14:05,708 --> 01:14:07,208 Cody and Carlee were fighting. 1635 01:14:07,333 --> 01:14:12,583 Then Chuck got involved, so Cody ended up pushing Chuck down. 1636 01:14:12,708 --> 01:14:13,875 OK. 1637 01:14:13,875 --> 01:14:15,542 And Chuck told them to get the F out, so-- 1638 01:14:15,667 --> 01:14:16,875 - That's his home. - Right. 1639 01:14:16,958 --> 01:14:17,833 Right. 1640 01:14:17,917 --> 01:14:19,042 So they both left. 1641 01:14:19,125 --> 01:14:20,875 I'm hoping that this is enough to wake Chuck up. 1642 01:14:20,958 --> 01:14:23,167 And this can be the thing that we use 1643 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:24,750 to get Cody and Carlee healthy. 1644 01:14:24,875 --> 01:14:26,875 But he begged them to come home. 1645 01:14:26,958 --> 01:14:27,792 He did. 1646 01:14:27,875 --> 01:14:29,083 Mm-hmm. 1647 01:14:29,208 --> 01:14:30,958 He said he texted them all morning, called 1648 01:14:31,042 --> 01:14:33,042 them all morning asking them to come home, 1649 01:14:33,125 --> 01:14:34,750 and they finally did. 1650 01:14:34,833 --> 01:14:36,375 Wow. 1651 01:14:36,375 --> 01:14:37,833 Addiction is a family disease. 1652 01:14:37,917 --> 01:14:40,958 And Chuck's continued enabling has 1653 01:14:41,042 --> 01:14:44,125 shot this intervention in our preparation in the foot time 1654 01:14:44,208 --> 01:14:45,250 after time. 1655 01:14:45,333 --> 01:14:47,667 A few hours ago, Carlee responded 1656 01:14:47,792 --> 01:14:50,667 to me because I was checking to see if she was all right. 1657 01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:51,667 Uh-huh. 1658 01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:53,667 And she said, yes, she was fine. 1659 01:14:53,708 --> 01:14:56,417 That Cody was upset because she didn't 1660 01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:58,042 hear him ask her something. 1661 01:14:58,125 --> 01:15:01,917 And Chuck escalated it by interfering. 1662 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:02,833 OK. 1663 01:15:02,917 --> 01:15:05,000 And things got out of control. 1664 01:15:05,042 --> 01:15:06,125 It's just-- 1665 01:15:06,208 --> 01:15:07,750 It sounds like more of the same. 1666 01:15:07,875 --> 01:15:08,458 Right. 1667 01:15:08,458 --> 01:15:10,125 She's minimizing. 1668 01:15:10,208 --> 01:15:11,333 Right. 1669 01:15:11,375 --> 01:15:12,375 They're antagonizing each other. 1670 01:15:12,458 --> 01:15:14,458 And Chuck's scared to lose Cody. 1671 01:15:14,542 --> 01:15:16,125 Yeah. 1672 01:15:16,208 --> 01:15:18,583 Regardless, I want to put a great offer on the table 1673 01:15:18,667 --> 01:15:20,167 for Cody and Carlee. 1674 01:15:20,250 --> 01:15:22,333 Getting their attention and getting in front of them 1675 01:15:22,375 --> 01:15:24,458 tomorrow is just, like, the crucial thing. 1676 01:15:24,542 --> 01:15:26,167 Can we do it? 1677 01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:29,583 I'm going to try to be as strong as I can be tomorrow. 1678 01:15:29,708 --> 01:15:33,250 We've just got to go into this believing that it can happen 1679 01:15:33,333 --> 01:15:35,083 and that it will happen. 1680 01:15:35,167 --> 01:15:38,667 And give it everything we've got to see it through. 1681 01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:41,000 This intervention is probably going to be ugly. 1682 01:15:41,042 --> 01:15:43,500 We're going to have to kind of pick the messaging up where 1683 01:15:43,542 --> 01:15:45,000 we left off six weeks ago. 1684 01:15:45,083 --> 01:15:47,958 With Cody and Carlee, things are escalating. 1685 01:15:48,042 --> 01:15:49,375 This is a perfect storm. 1686 01:15:49,458 --> 01:15:51,708 All of our chips pushed on the table tomorrow. 1687 01:15:51,792 --> 01:15:52,833 Yeah. 1688 01:15:52,875 --> 01:15:54,875 I mean, I look at it, like, life or death. 1689 01:16:03,292 --> 01:16:04,625 DARREN HOBBS: Welcome, everybody. 1690 01:16:04,708 --> 01:16:07,667 This is our team for Cody and Carlee part two. 1691 01:16:07,708 --> 01:16:09,208 I appreciate your patience today. 1692 01:16:09,208 --> 01:16:10,542 I know it's been a long burn. 1693 01:16:10,625 --> 01:16:13,667 Six weeks deep, but I think today is the day. 1694 01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:14,667 I pray you're right. 1695 01:16:25,667 --> 01:16:28,125 And, J, you weren't able to join us the first time. 1696 01:16:28,208 --> 01:16:29,667 Where's your energy today? 1697 01:16:29,708 --> 01:16:32,333 My energy is I'm ready to get this party started. 1698 01:16:32,375 --> 01:16:33,958 So plan today. 1699 01:16:34,083 --> 01:16:36,417 What we're hearing is that they've returned to the house. 1700 01:16:36,542 --> 01:16:38,125 So small group first. 1701 01:16:38,208 --> 01:16:40,125 Eric and I, we're going to make an approach. 1702 01:16:40,208 --> 01:16:42,917 We're going to talk to Cody and Carlee outside the house. 1703 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,333 I'm going to have you guys posted up a few blocks away. 1704 01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:47,167 We're opting for the surprise Johnson 1705 01:16:47,292 --> 01:16:50,292 model here because of the Invitational style didn't work. 1706 01:16:50,375 --> 01:16:53,625 So if our first conversation doesn't get an instant yes, 1707 01:16:53,708 --> 01:16:55,458 we're bringing you guys in as wave two. 1708 01:16:55,542 --> 01:16:58,208 I want to be able to look both Cody and Carlee in the eye 1709 01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:01,625 and make sure that they know what they're choosing today. 1710 01:17:01,708 --> 01:17:04,333 You're choosing to continue to use versus working 1711 01:17:04,375 --> 01:17:05,750 your way into health. 1712 01:17:05,875 --> 01:17:08,292 That's what's at stake today in their own lives. 1713 01:17:08,375 --> 01:17:09,083 All right? 1714 01:17:09,167 --> 01:17:11,333 Let's go. 1715 01:17:11,417 --> 01:17:12,917 [phone rings] 1716 01:17:13,042 --> 01:17:14,583 He's calling me. 1717 01:17:14,667 --> 01:17:16,333 Cody is calling me. 1718 01:17:16,417 --> 01:17:18,667 Put him on speaker, let's hear it. 1719 01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:19,708 Hey, did you call? 1720 01:17:24,125 --> 01:17:24,875 Do what? 1721 01:17:29,167 --> 01:17:31,417 I don't-- 1722 01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:33,083 I don't know, son. 1723 01:17:33,167 --> 01:17:36,625 I'm at the store right now getting some stuff for Charlee. 1724 01:17:36,708 --> 01:17:37,625 Where are you at? 1725 01:17:42,792 --> 01:17:45,875 OK, well, let me finish checking out. 1726 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,500 And then I'll get back to you. 1727 01:17:49,583 --> 01:17:51,167 Love you, bye. 1728 01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:54,000 So they're not home. 1729 01:17:54,167 --> 01:17:56,833 DARREN HOBBS: Interventions very rarely go as planned. 1730 01:17:56,917 --> 01:17:59,375 Cody and Carlee are on the move 24/7. 1731 01:17:59,458 --> 01:18:01,500 You know, just getting face time with these guys 1732 01:18:01,583 --> 01:18:02,917 is going to be a real issue. 1733 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,000 Given the phone call that we just got, 1734 01:18:05,042 --> 01:18:06,875 if they're truly getting a tire fixed, 1735 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,167 we're going to move this entire operation to another spot. 1736 01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:13,833 Eric and I go try to get in touch with these guys. 1737 01:18:13,958 --> 01:18:15,708 Have guys posted up a few blocks away. 1738 01:18:15,792 --> 01:18:16,500 All right, let's go. 1739 01:18:16,583 --> 01:18:17,500 [dramatic music] 1740 01:18:17,583 --> 01:18:18,333 Go team. 1741 01:18:18,417 --> 01:18:19,167 All right. 1742 01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:25,500 Right now, we know Cody and Carlee 1743 01:18:25,542 --> 01:18:27,875 are stuck at a tire shop. 1744 01:18:27,958 --> 01:18:29,958 Broke down in North Memphis. 1745 01:18:30,042 --> 01:18:34,458 They're hoping and waiting for a Cash App from Amy, Cody's mom, 1746 01:18:34,542 --> 01:18:35,667 to come through. 1747 01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:37,167 So with that information, Eric and I 1748 01:18:37,208 --> 01:18:39,292 are headed over there right now to see if we can 1749 01:18:39,375 --> 01:18:40,667 have a conversation with them. 1750 01:18:40,708 --> 01:18:42,833 Because we know these guys are runners, 1751 01:18:42,917 --> 01:18:45,333 this is the only shot that I think 1752 01:18:45,458 --> 01:18:49,500 we're going to get, to get in front of Cody and Carlee. 1753 01:18:49,583 --> 01:18:52,458 Every minute counts. 1754 01:18:52,542 --> 01:18:53,833 The tire shop's right over here. 1755 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,375 I don't see a blue hatchback there. 1756 01:19:04,750 --> 01:19:06,000 What's that? 1757 01:19:06,042 --> 01:19:07,417 What's on the other side of that white car? 1758 01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:08,833 Oh, that's not a hatchback. 1759 01:19:13,792 --> 01:19:16,667 Anxiety, [nervous chuckles] a lot of anxiety. 1760 01:19:16,708 --> 01:19:19,417 I just have a little more hope this time 1761 01:19:19,542 --> 01:19:25,750 than I did last time that they will stop running and listen. 1762 01:19:25,833 --> 01:19:29,292 I'm just afraid if he doesn't get help now, 1763 01:19:29,375 --> 01:19:31,667 he's going to end up dead. 1764 01:19:31,792 --> 01:19:32,875 This is it. 1765 01:19:36,583 --> 01:19:39,000 Make a left here. 1766 01:19:39,083 --> 01:19:41,250 Yeah, there's their car right there. 1767 01:19:41,333 --> 01:19:44,625 It's that blue Saturn backed up right against the-- 1768 01:19:44,708 --> 01:19:46,333 Oh, somebody popped out of it. Let's go. 1769 01:19:46,417 --> 01:19:47,792 LOGAN: That's Cody. 1770 01:19:47,875 --> 01:19:48,875 That's him right there in the white shirt. 1771 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,167 DARREN HOBBS: Ha, ha. 1772 01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:51,625 LOGAN: Getting in the driver's seat. 1773 01:19:51,708 --> 01:19:53,000 DARREN HOBBS: Yep, let's hope he didn't 1774 01:19:53,125 --> 01:19:55,750 find 15 bucks somewhere else. 1775 01:19:55,833 --> 01:19:58,750 AMY: This is what we've been waiting for. 1776 01:19:58,833 --> 01:20:00,292 We're-- we're doing it. 1777 01:20:06,708 --> 01:20:08,458 LOGAN: There he is. 1778 01:20:08,542 --> 01:20:11,333 DARREN HOBBS: There's Cody getting in right there. 1779 01:20:11,458 --> 01:20:12,417 There, can you see? 1780 01:20:16,875 --> 01:20:18,042 Notice the blue car there? 1781 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,083 Is the blue car there? 1782 01:20:24,208 --> 01:20:24,750 That's them. 1783 01:20:24,875 --> 01:20:25,583 LOGAN: Yeah. 1784 01:20:25,708 --> 01:20:28,208 No [bleep]. 1785 01:20:28,292 --> 01:20:30,083 DARREN HOBBS: They've seen this truck. 1786 01:20:30,167 --> 01:20:35,125 They are backed in on the side of O'Reilly. 1787 01:20:35,208 --> 01:20:36,375 [phone rings] 1788 01:20:36,458 --> 01:20:37,042 AMY: Hello? 1789 01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:42,958 What, Cody? 1790 01:20:43,042 --> 01:20:45,542 Why? 1791 01:20:45,667 --> 01:20:50,042 Cody, I will be more than happy to give you that money, 1792 01:20:50,167 --> 01:20:52,250 if you will just talk to Darren. 1793 01:20:52,375 --> 01:20:53,458 That's it, no cameras. 1794 01:20:53,542 --> 01:20:55,500 No cameras. 1795 01:20:55,625 --> 01:20:58,375 No cameras. 1796 01:20:58,500 --> 01:20:59,583 He told me to keep the money. 1797 01:21:04,875 --> 01:21:05,917 Look there, they're moving. 1798 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:06,833 They're moving. 1799 01:21:06,875 --> 01:21:08,958 Let's see where they go. 1800 01:21:09,042 --> 01:21:11,667 Coming back this way. 1801 01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:13,333 He's driving, right? 1802 01:21:13,417 --> 01:21:14,250 Yes. 1803 01:21:14,375 --> 01:21:15,250 [tires screech] 1804 01:21:15,333 --> 01:21:18,458 [car accelerates] 1805 01:21:19,583 --> 01:21:23,292 He might just come visit us. 1806 01:21:23,375 --> 01:21:24,542 [tires screech] 1807 01:21:24,667 --> 01:21:26,333 Let's do it. 1808 01:21:26,375 --> 01:21:29,833 [dramatic music] 1809 01:21:41,542 --> 01:21:42,792 A lot of [bleep] talk. 1810 01:21:42,875 --> 01:21:44,000 Yeah. 1811 01:21:44,083 --> 01:21:45,208 How much of that did you see, Logan? 1812 01:21:45,208 --> 01:21:46,167 All of it. 1813 01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:48,083 Cody opened his door just long enough 1814 01:21:48,167 --> 01:21:51,750 to look me in the eye and what I saw was end-stage addiction. 1815 01:21:51,833 --> 01:21:53,708 I saw a dead man looking back at me. 1816 01:21:53,833 --> 01:21:55,875 My fear for Cody and Carlee is that they 1817 01:21:55,958 --> 01:21:57,375 don't live much longer. 1818 01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:59,917 We're not going to continue to chase these guys. 1819 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,667 As far as I'm concerned, she's a hostage. 1820 01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:03,333 - Absolutely. - Yes, she's a hostage. 1821 01:22:03,375 --> 01:22:06,292 I want you to flood that phone with how much you love Carlee. 1822 01:22:06,375 --> 01:22:08,167 And how much you're never going to stop 1823 01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:09,958 hoping that today is the day. 1824 01:22:10,083 --> 01:22:14,458 You start calling victim's hotlines in Shelby and Memphis. 1825 01:22:14,542 --> 01:22:18,083 Amy, Logan, I'm asking you to go deep and hard here. 1826 01:22:18,208 --> 01:22:20,208 You send her a message and say, hey, I love you. 1827 01:22:20,292 --> 01:22:22,500 And until you and Carlee get clean, 1828 01:22:22,542 --> 01:22:24,708 you have no more contact with Charlee. 1829 01:22:24,792 --> 01:22:26,417 That's it. 1830 01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:29,875 No more phone calls, no more tax messages until you're clean. 1831 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,458 It becomes your house. 1832 01:22:31,542 --> 01:22:32,917 I want you to call me, and I'm going to lead you 1833 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,583 to get an order of protection. 1834 01:22:34,667 --> 01:22:37,500 They both feel like they're invincible and untouchable. 1835 01:22:37,542 --> 01:22:40,500 And this lifestyle will catch up with them. 1836 01:22:40,625 --> 01:22:42,500 I mean, it's already started to. 1837 01:22:42,583 --> 01:22:44,625 I'm sorry we couldn't have done it different. 1838 01:22:44,708 --> 01:22:46,792 I really-- I really am, dude. 1839 01:22:46,875 --> 01:22:48,583 I'm really sorry. 1840 01:22:48,583 --> 01:22:49,583 I hate it. 1841 01:22:49,583 --> 01:22:51,417 We're going to give her. 1842 01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:53,125 I know that you will. 1843 01:22:53,208 --> 01:22:55,083 I hope that we look back and say that was 1844 01:22:55,167 --> 01:22:57,417 the day things changed. 1845 01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:58,333 I hope so. 1846 01:22:58,375 --> 01:22:59,583 She knew you guys were here. 1847 01:22:59,667 --> 01:23:01,042 She did. 1848 01:23:01,125 --> 01:23:02,167 She knew it. 1849 01:23:02,208 --> 01:23:03,375 Yeah. 1850 01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:05,167 I am pissed. 1851 01:23:05,208 --> 01:23:09,208 We are trying to save her life, and he just-- 1852 01:23:09,333 --> 01:23:10,083 he won't-- 1853 01:23:23,542 --> 01:23:26,333 D Man, I feel like we got beat by addiction today, man. 1854 01:23:26,375 --> 01:23:27,333 Addiction won. 1855 01:23:27,417 --> 01:23:28,542 I hate it. 1856 01:23:28,625 --> 01:23:30,708 It just amazes me that Cody and Carlee can't 1857 01:23:30,792 --> 01:23:34,375 see that their families are so deeply affected by what 1858 01:23:34,375 --> 01:23:37,292 they continue to do, right? 1859 01:23:37,292 --> 01:23:40,167 For Cody, I feel like this is an end. 1860 01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:42,125 I don't think it's likely he's ever 1861 01:23:42,208 --> 01:23:43,708 going to agree to go to treatment 1862 01:23:43,792 --> 01:23:47,208 until Carlee is away from him. 1863 01:23:47,292 --> 01:23:51,167 And the best chance we have to get Carlee away from him 1864 01:23:51,208 --> 01:23:55,000 is for those ladies to get Carlee out of that house. 1865 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,625 I truly believe that they will. 1866 01:23:56,708 --> 01:24:00,000 [somber music]