[ominous music]
Being in a relationship is difficult enough.
Add to it addiction, and you have a perfect recipe
for a tornado to come, and you're
not going to be able to stop.
There's that old saying, misery loves company.
I can't see it being anything other than a nightmare.
The worst hell you have ever had in your entire life.
Couples in their addiction just tear each other apart.
You were done with that.
We were done with that, and you brought it back!
The dishonesty.
[bleep] you.
I'm going, I'm done.
The manipulation.
The fighting.
[shouting]
And the codependency is deep.
The only thing harder than fighting an addiction
is fighting codependency at the same time.
They're playing that dance of death,
and they're killing each other.
Cody was always so energetic, so loving.
Carlee was always the fun, bubbly one.
[giggles]
But Cody and Carlee are addicted to crack cocaine.
It's just something that we do.
Just like if you play Parcheesi.
They're living life to the fullest so they think.
Cody and Carlee have a very toxic relationship.
They got to steal for a living.
Carlee's just been arrested.
Hey.
Cody's father is the biggest enabler in their lives.
You're [bleep] killing my sister!
And you're killing your son!
Interventions very rarely go as planned.
With these guys, we really have no idea
how they're going to respond.
Cody was extremely agitated that the film crew was there.
This is going to be a straight-up.
We're worried about you.
And we want to make you an offer to change your life.
[tires screech]
[theme music]
[somber music]
CARLEE: Oh, my god.
[giggling]
Do we have the phone, baby?
Yep.
Ow, put your little claws up.
My name is Carlee.
I'm 26 years old.
Quit trying to bite me so much.
My name is Cody.
I'm 28.
We've been together for 15 years
if you think about, like, friends
from knowing each other to now.
But together, maybe, like, four years.
Are we doing this right now?
Oh, yeah.
So--
I would describe Carlee as obnoxious and outgoing,
but very loving.
You know what?
I'm going to be nice.
I would describe Cody as my best friend.
There would have to be, like, some catastrophic something.
What's today?
Tuesday?
Sunday.
Oh, [bleep].
Way off. Way off.
[giggles]
They seem to love each other, but they both
are addicted to crack cocaine.
It's just something that we do just
like if you play Parcheesi.
Like we're watching TV.
It just intensifies our love, I guess.
They're not willing to work.
They've got to steal for a living.
Carlee and Cody ended up stealing lots and lots of money
from family.
And she steals from anywhere she can to help support her habit.
I have confronted Cody and Carlee
both about their drug use many times, but they don't care.
[chuckles] Yeah, god.
They're enjoying this.
They're living life to the fullest so they think.
Cody has done coke off and on since 16, 17,
but he wasn't like he is now.
Cody's problem with crack cocaine
is at a deadly, deadly level.
He's so skinny now.
His body is just shutting down.
He has become violent.
Holes in my walls.
Windshields busted out.
He will yell at anybody.
He will threaten anybody.
He has no control.
Cody, what's the matter?
I don't feel like I can save my son.
I'm watching my son die.
Hey, do you have anything?
Yeah, a little bit.
All right.
Carlee's relationship with Cody I think
is what started a lot of this addiction.
CARMEN: She was on painkillers from a very young age.
And then one day, she bumped into Cody.
In the last three years, her drug abuse has escalated.
And she's now having seizures, and she
is 75 pounds soaking wet.
She has lost a majority of her teeth and what teeth are
there are just falling apart.
She's been in jail several times now for shoplifting.
She's going further down closer to death.
CARMEN: I am preparing to grieve Carlee.
I've been grieving her for the past three years now.
I've cried more times than I can count
about how much I miss her.
I miss her so much.
CHUCK: The thought of losing Cody
and Carlee is hard to take.
I don't want nothing to happen to either one of them.
Hoo-hoo!
[chuckles]
You're fun.
Hoo-hoo-hoo!
Oh, my god, Carlee, you're making it worse, quit.
If they don't get help now, I'm just afraid they're
both going to end up dead.
[somber music]
Babe, you look like you need that.
Oh!
[giggles]
You got it in your mouth?
No.
CARLEE: OK. - Almost.
I felt a breeze.
You felt a breeze?
AMY: They have a weird attraction to each other.
They are almost obsessed with the other.
I've had a crush on her since the day I met her.
[serene music]
Carlee first met Cody when she was about 13.
I moved in her neighborhood, and that's
when I got introduced to her.
No.
Never.
I was hoping to god, we would, but no, I
didn't get that fortunate.
What actually brought us back in touch with each other again
was when I ran into her mom.
She gave me Carlee's number and told me to just call her,
so I did.
And we decided to hang out again.
CARLEE: That was four or five years ago.
CODY: Yeah.
I would just stop talking to Cody for three days
because I didn't know what crack was.
And he told me that he was doing it.
Then I googled it.
And realized that it was coke.
And so, I told Cody if it was good enough for him,
it was good enough for me.
Anytime that I would try to call her or talk to her,
if I did get her, it would be on speakerphone,
and he would be in the background talking over her.
He was someone who was already struggling with addiction.
And I think she was willing to do whatever to be able to latch
on for someone to love her.
And slowly she just disappeared.
I lost all contact with her until one random morning,
I get a call.
And all she says is, you're an aunt.
AMY: About two years ago, Charlee was born.
And Cody and Carlee agreed it would be best
for me to legally adopt her.
She's been with me since the day she
came home from the hospital.
And then a year later, Carter was born two months early.
And we got some wonderful months with him.
And then one day, he just went to sleep and he never woke up.
And he definitely took a piece of everybody's heart with him.
I did call Cody, and I told him that Carter was gone.
And he broke down.
He completely broke down.
Since then--
I feel like they're in denial.
And I think they use the drugs to numb the pain.
It's just spiraling even more out of control.
Uh-oh.
Here.
The danger that they're putting both of themselves into
has just gotten so out of control.
They're both stuck in a Peter Pan world.
And whether it's right or wrong, they accept each other for who
they are and what they do.
Cody, I don't know.
That's what I'm saying. You need to know.
I don't know what the vehicles look like.
I don't know. - You have to.
All I see is headlights.
Oh, my god, you get on my [bleep] nerves.
How am I supposed to know, my telepathy?
[arguing]
You're still not listening.
Yes, hello.
Are you not behind us?
LOGAN: If Cody and Carlee don't get help,
they're either going to get hurt by messing with other people
or overdose.
It's going to end their lives.
It's a fact.
[chuckles]
c]
CODY: All right, bye.
I'd give anything if they would just realize their life
and get a job.
Get back to living a normal life.
Hey.
CHUCK: Hey.
Nice little van.
Huh?
Nice what?
The van up there.
Yeah.
[chuckles]
Yeah, I'm going to go in here real quick.
You got it? You good?
Staying out there?
But I wish I would come and stay more.
They have no time to talk, no time to sit,
always in a rush, rush, rush.
And I hate that.
But I love my son.
Me and Cody have always had a wonderful relationship.
[serene music]
When Cody was a child, he wanted to be by me all the time.
AMY: Cody was always a very fun child to be around.
So energetic, so loving.
Smiles for days.
CHUCK: Amy and I shared a lot of the responsibility
in taking care of Cody, but we just--
I don't know, couldn't be together, I guess,
couldn't get along.
[somber music]
AMY: We did joint custody.
Cody's father and I did not have a healthy relationship.
And that has remained true even up to this day.
But for the sake of Cody, we did try
to be civil with each other.
Cody was around quite a bit of fighting with my wife
at the time.
When Cody moved to Brighton, he was isolated.
At that point, Cody seemed emotionally just beaten
and began using drugs to self-medicate.
I thought it's just a phase, you know, because, I mean,
who didn't try a little crap when he was young, you know.
But his was different and worse.
I had heard rumors that Cody was using,
but I never actually caught him in the act,
so I guess I didn't want to believe that.
And then he was not coming home, avoiding my calls,
avoiding my texts.
I finally had a talk with Cody when he was about 17 years old.
And he admitted that it was cocaine he was using
and that it was over.
He wasn't going to do it anymore,
but that obviously was not very true.
He dropped out of high school his senior year.
He couldn't hold down a job.
Any job he had lasted maybe a couple of weeks to a month.
Long enough for him to get a good paycheck.
And once he got the paycheck, he would go buy drugs.
And then the cycle started completely over again.
I've done it so long that it's become my personality.
It has gotten very serious.
CODY: I know that, Dad. CARLEE: We're leaving.
All right, yeah, we're going.
All right.
Chuck and my mom have most definitely ignored
and enabled Cody's behavior.
I love you, Dad.
I'll come back by in a little while or something when we
get done doing all this stuff. - Yeah, later on.
Yeah.
My mom has developed a very strong backbone when
it comes to telling Cody no.
Because of that, Cody's options for who he can go to,
to get what he wants have narrowed down to one person,
and that's Chuck.
I love you.
CODY: See you later.
As far as Cody's addiction, I blame myself.
It's always hard for me to be hard on him.
Even now, probably still just giving them
money and everything they want.
Cars and money and the house where he ain't really
got to pay nothing or do nothing.
So I guess, it's all my fault.
[giggles]
[somber music]
We are headed to Carlee's and Cody's house.
I brought Carlee's a bunch of groceries
because Carlee's is so small and so skinny.
And I just wanted to help somehow.
I'm lucky if I see her once every six months.
We used to be attached at the hip.
We used to spend all day and all night together.
But we don't really just hang out anymore.
Carlee and Carmen grew up very, very close
with each other.
[serene music]
Their family always had all the things.
And everything they did always seemed so much fun because they
weren't really on a schedule.
They just kind of walked to a beat of their own drum.
We were very wealthy.
We were very well off.
Carlee's parents, they had their own vacuum cleaner
business where they sold these really
high-end vacuum cleaners.
They were living the dream.
When Carlee was growing up, she was fine.
She was in gymnastics.
CARMEN: Carlee did cheer and gymnastics.
She was so good at it.
She would fly and do all these kinds of crazy flips.
And she could have probably gone places with that.
But when she was 12 years old, Carlee started having
a plethora of health issues.
[ominous music]
The surgery was botched.
It did not go according to plan.
And the doctor that actually did that has left the States.
And we haven't been able to find anybody that
would be willing to touch it.
Carlee was a really good gymnast until she got twisted
and she had to stop.
Because of the bar, she couldn't bend,
so she couldn't do all of her pretty twirls
and flips anymore.
And she was given lots of pain medication.
HOPE: It was life-changing for her.
She was removed from school and it was, I'm sure,
a big strain on her mom and dad financially or just
the stress of it all as well.
CARMEN: Right around the same time as Carlee's surgery,
my parents lost their business.
And I remember being so poor.
We just started bouncing from house to house to house.
Neither one of them could work at that point.
They hadn't worked any other job but that.
And it just went downhill from there.
CARMEN: Things got really bad.
We didn't know if my mom was going to be doing
heroin in the kitchen or what.
Carlee was exposed to all kinds of drugs.
And she was so used to having to lock down her medicine
because if Carlee had pain management drugs,
her mother is going to go and use them.
CARMEN: Our household was pretty volatile.
Our bedroom was our safe space.
So we had, like, food hoards and stuff
like that so that we would make sure that we
wouldn't have to go out.
My family went really bad south and everything.
Carmen, she's probably the only reason that I was even sane.
It was me and Carmen against everything.
HOPE: Carlee kind of became the mother hen of who she is
in helping take care of Carmen.
They became incredibly close.
And they were just trying to make it out and figure out
what to do to eat or where they were staying and just kind
of keeping up with the chaos.
[serene music]
Aunt Shannon helped to kind of rehab
her up from all the things the doctors had her prescribed.
Got her completely off all the pain medicine
and had her on nothing but Tylenol and ibuprofen.
She was working at a store in downtown Memphis.
And she was on her way to, like, management.
She did not want to take the same path
as other family members did, particularly her mother.
[ominous music]
Our mom was going down that road for a very long time,
so it was almost like we had already mourned her.
We had mourned her for years because she
hadn't been our mom in years.
I think we were both pretty--
pretty disconnected.
I think she was not, you know, depressed over her mom's loss
because she had everything going for her for the first time.
We started making plans about buying a house together
or at least renting a house together.
And then she bumped into Cody.
And I don't know who she is anymore.
I miss my sister even though I know that she's not going to be
what I remember her to be.
OK.
And it does not look like they are
here, which is not a shocker because they're never here.
They're never anywhere.
[sighs]
Addiction has ruined my life in a similar way
that it's ruined Carlee's life.
We didn't get a childhood.
We didn't get stability.
We lost our mom and dad.
And now Carlee's addiction and relationship with Cody
have left me orphaned in a new way.
I long for that closeness that I used to have
and that she used to have and that we used to have.
And I'm just alone.
I'm sorry.
I don't know, I was kind of hoping that she would be there.
It just sucks.
Addiction sucks.
[thud]
Oh, my god, [sighs] [bleep] potholes, man.
I am, [bleep]
[bleep] you mean?
I love him, but he can also be the biggest asshole
I've ever known in my life.
[chuckling]
Just push it up.
[groans] All right, thank you.
We're good.
- Drive you home? - No, you're good.
We're good.
Bitch, go.
You're good!
[ominous music]
[sighs]
Cody and Carlee's relationship's toxic.
I know how he talks to her.
And I know that she kind of bows down
and lets him walk over her.
Everything could also be better.
I mean, everything could be improved.
100%.
1,000%.
Oh, yeah, I called you a bitch on the way up there by the way.
And I want you to know that I did not mean it that way.
He always be the one to punch someone in the face
first if they're mean to me. - Quit, quit, quit, quit.
What?
OK, never mind, guys.
[pensive music]
AMANDA MARINO: So we have Cody, 27, and Carlee, who's 26.
They are using crack cocaine.
They never leave each other's side.
They share everything 50/50 down the middle.
Almost $300 a day habit.
OK.
The home that they live in was given to them for free.
So two-- you know, a couple in active addiction
with a free house is definitely a scary situation.
Carlee is feisty, while Cody is more aggressive.
They met in middle school.
Right.
So they bond as children.
So when they reconnect, they reconnect as, hey,
this was my best friend. AMANDA MARINO: Yeah.
Hey, I know this person.
I know their family.
He introduced her to crack.
And the following year, they had their first child.
So it's a crack child.
And then October of 2022, the couple
had their second child, a son.
At six months old, their son Carter passed away.
Wow, that's a lot of trauma.
It's a whole lot.
So not only are they sick on drugs, they've lost a child,
they're in a long-term sick relationship.
These guys have a trauma bond.
AMANDA MARINO: It's unique.
It's entirely unique.
That kind of trauma bond is hard to break.
The stakes are extremely high.
They're both in a life-or-death situation.
And I'm extremely concerned for them, their families,
and their children.
DARREN HOBBS: It's a whole lot.
[pensive music]
[radio chatter]
CHARLEE (ON PHONE): [babbling]
She's playing.
Are you being a silly butt?
I love you, baby.
CHARLEE (ON PHONE): Love you, mommy.
Now you're mommy's girl.
I never in a thousand years thought I would
ever be able to have a kid.
CARMEN: We were told that she couldn't have babies
and shouldn't have babies because of her back issues.
I never gained weight, ever.
At all.
[chuckles]
CHARLEE (ON PHONE): [babbling]
She's so cute.
I love her.
And she's the only person I could ever imagine doing that.
That was my only choice.
All right, Mama, I love you.
Love you, Charlee.
We love you, too.
AMY (ON PHONE): Bye
It's so hard hanging up on her.
I know.
Charlee makes my heart flutter.
She's my world.
So I don't believe in anybody doing drugs around children.
AMY: When both of his children were born,
it was the one thing I thought for sure would change them.
But Cody and Carlee gave up their parental rights.
And it hasn't changed or slowed them down one bit.
Um, at times, I even wonder if they care.
Um, I'm not nearly as crazy as I was.
But, legitimately, right after my seizure,
I have a big gash right here.
And then there's little ones.
I hit several things coming down there.
[chuckles]
I must have hit, like, one of those shopping baskets or--
I think she maybe hit a basket or something.
Yeah.
A basket where they have all this stuff to return in.
CARMEN: Since Carlee has started using,
she started having seizures.
And these seizures just keep happening
closer and closer together.
Did I go in the ambulance?
No, you rode to me literally in the parking lot.
[chuckles]
Y'all did a big circle in the parking lot, and then
you got dropped off in my car.
I do believe that she actually does
have drug-induced seizures.
And I think that if she was clean, she wouldn't have any.
So she needs help because they could kill her.
They came up to my car and was,
like, hey, you know Carlee?
I was, like, yeah. I was like, what the [bleep]?
Yeah, they opened up the door to the ambulance.
And your whole [bleep] shirt was literally,
like, dripping with blood.
I was like, what the hell happened?
This is his worst--
especially here recently, it's been
the worst thing that-- he's always
talking about his worst fear.
Her seizures, that would be my concern.
We definitely got to get that addressed, so--
Too scary to think about.
We just try not to think about things like that yet.
We're just living life one day at a time.
[ominous music]
c]
DARREN HOBBS: Hey, guys. CHUCK: Hello, Darren.
I'm Chuck. - Nice to meet you.
- I'm Cody's father. - I'm Amy.
Hi, Amy. Very nice to meet you.
Addiction is a family disease, and the solution
is also centered in family.
That makes it even more important
that we build trust with the families
so we can get knowledge of what's been going on.
The purpose of today is really be
able to get in front of you guys and see your faces
and introduce myself and to offer hope.
And that's all I've got because he
has OD'd already, recently.
And--
What did he overdose on?
Well, it was crack cocaine, but it
was contaminated with fentanyl.
OK.
About a month ago, I had received a phone call from Cody
and he said, well, I just OD'd for the first time.
He quit breathing.
He turned blue.
He was gone.
And, luckily, his roommate had Narcan
and was able to bring him back before the paramedics got
there.
And it just-- it--
it scares me.
It scares me to death.
Do you guys know how they're making their money?
- Stealing. - Stealing.
Given to him.
He's never had to provide for himself.
Mom and Dad's checkbooks.
Not mine.
OK.
When was the last time you-- they
hit you up for money, Chuck?
Last night.
[chuckles]
How much did you give them?
$100.
He asked for 50, but at first, I told them no.
But I had a $100 bill.
I was saving for something, so I just gave it to him.
He said he'd make it last a couple of days.
I told him, well, you better, so--
I do not give him money anymore,
but Cody's father is the biggest enabler in Cody's life.
I feel guilty.
I wish I had been a better father, paid more attention
to Cody when he was young, but had
a hard time with the drinking and the fighting.
Oh, Chuck's enabling--
it makes me so angry.
His enabling is what is keeping Cody from wanting help
or even realizing he needs help, which in turn
is making Carlee not get help.
It's a vicious cycle.
I've asked Chuck to stop so many times.
I've cried, I've begged, I feel completely powerless.
Logan, what's it been like for you
watching your brother struggle?
Frustrating, aggravating.
He has never felt the necessity to go and take a risk
for anything that he wants.
Everything's given to him, so why risk feeling uncomfortable?
That sound right to you, Chuck?
You disagree-- disagree with any of it?
No, that's Cody.
When Cody was a kid, he was just
putting it on cruise control and letting someone
else take care of everything.
And that's still his life.
He's just having fun.
He's not having to worry about responsibilities,
any pressures, or anything like that.
Everything's given to him.
And he's just a passenger.
Is there any history of mental health or addiction
on your side of the family?
[sighs] I don't have a lot of answers because I was adopted.
OK.
Chuck, what about you?
OK.
[somber music]
Sorry.
It's OK.
How long ago was that?
Around like 1987.
Is it possible the pain you felt losing your mom
has influenced how hard you've tried to keep Cody alive?
I don't know.
I think Chuck's enabling is due directly
to Chuck's loss of his own mother
to suicide when he was a young man.
And I think he thinks if he can keep Cody safe enough
long enough that logic and reason
will push Cody into treatment.
Tell me about Cody and Carlee's relationship.
To me, it's not a relationship.
Cody, he always likes to have somebody there.
Cody, he's too scared to be alone.
Yeah.
So Carlee filled a role in his life.
Absolutely.
They have some weird codependency.
Right.
His is more emotional and just being comfortable,
like, I need somebody there.
Hers is, he can get the money for the drugs,
so I have to have him here because he's
the way I can get drugs.
We want to save both of these guys' lives.
And I think that with the relationship being
as sick as it is, I think their answers
are going to be locked, right?
- Together. - Together.
Yip.
Right?
Cody and Carlee have a list of complicating factors
that make this intervention a tough one for Amanda and me.
The biggest problems I see are Chuck's enabling
and Cody and Carlee's attachment and codependency
to one another.
Misery loves company, but these guys,
especially, Cody and Carlee, are just going
to be tough to tangle with.
And Amanda and I have to be mindful of all of that
as we approach this.
The good news about addiction is it's treatable.
Addiction can't live where it's not tolerated.
If we can stop the enabling, we can
eventually stop the addiction.
So I'm going to be asking you guys
to really dig in and make this attempt
the best attempt with Cody.
[pensive music]
AMY: Want to call Daddy?
[phone dialing]
Hi, Daddy.
Say--
Say hi to baby girl.
Huh.
CODY (ON PHONE): Carlee's just been arrested.
Do what?
[dramatic music]
Carlee's just been arrested?
[sighs]
Carlee's just been arrested?
For what?
I thought y'all were coming here.
[sighs] OK.
CODY (ON PHONE): Mom, they're bringing her out now.
In handcuffs?
Call me back and let me know what's going on, please?
Mommy.
I love you.
Bye.
Goodbye.
Daddy.
[sighs]
[somber music]
Hey.
How are y'all?
Been doing good.
How are you guys? - Hi.
Good.
Thanks for coming, y'all.
Of course.
I did hear from Cody.
Carlee has been arrested.
ERICA: For what?
AMY: Stealing.
So, I mean, this isn't the first time.
This is how they do it.
ERICA: It's how they make their money.
Yeah.
And she'll be out tomorrow morning.
Who's bonding her out?
AMY: You would have to ask Chuck that.
Oh, my.
Oh, no.
Oh, yeah.
That's how she got out the last time.
He put his house up as collateral.
Before we knew that addiction had really taken a hold,
my cousins and aunt had all tried to support Carlee.
It became enabling, so we had to stop doing that.
But now Chuck is definitely part of the problem.
I think without Chuck, they probably
wouldn't be able to get away with as much as they have.
Try Cody.
[phone dialling]
AMY: Come here.
Hello.
Cody.
CARLEE (ON PHONE): Say what?
So you didn't get arrested?
He said they were bringing you out in handcuffs.
[sighs] Y'all are just living on the edge.
Listen, are y'all going to still come by here?
To see Charlee.
Your Aunt Shannon's here and Hope and Erica.
Love you.
Hmm, they brought her out in handcuffs,
but she didn't go to jail.
Right.
It's just typical of the merry-go-round
that we all have to be on because they choose it.
- And not be able to get off. - Yeah.
- Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
At this point, this is normal, but I would have never ever,
ever, ever thought in a million years this is how she
would choose to live her life.
HOPE: I am very worried about Carlee and her safety.
Stealing is going to put her in jail again.
Or heaven forbid, stealing from a property,
these owners come back and try to take
things into their own hands.
A week or so ago, they were at a store
that they had apparently stolen from in the past.
And the employee recognized them,
so started shooting at them as they were leaving the store.
I'm afraid if the drugs don't kill them, someone will.
[ominous music]
[pensive music]
Hey, Carlee.
How're you doing, little girl?
Hey.
Did you really?
What is going on?
Why won't he come in?
What the heck happened?
They threw water on me supposedly
when I was having my seizure because they didn't believe it.
And when I didn't, like--
React to it.
--I was supposed to do, I guess,
they were like holy [bleep]!
We're going to be arrested ourselves.
CARMEN: Since Carlee has started using,
she started having seizures.
And these seizures just keep happening
closer and closer together.
You know they make medication for that, right, baby?
Yes, they do.
They take forever to give it to you, though.
Have you even been to the doctor for it, though?
I've been to the hospital.
I don't think Carlee's medicated for her seizures
because that would mean that she'd
actually have to go to the doctor
and take care of herself.
But she's too busy running the streets
to find drugs to actually show up at a doctor.
Luckily, the police officer lady that was there,
her sister has seizures, so she kind of knew what to do.
I think Carlee is needing help ASAP at this point,
but unfortunately, the thing that
would keep Carlee from going to treatment would be.
Cody
What's wrong?
The whole family's here.
They just want a quick visit.
Don't you want to see Charlee?
[sighs]
AMY: Charlee, you go say hello?
Come here.
Huh?
Charlee, psst.
CARMEN: Charlee doesn't really know Carlee all that much.
Huh?
A lot of times, she doesn't really want to be held by her
and kind of is a little shy with her.
I really want to see Cody and Carlee get clean and sober
and be a family that I know they could be for Charlee.
But I don't see that--
I don't see that happening.
[babbling]
Go that way?
Yeah.
[chuckling]
Mommy's not going to do that one.
I don't feel good.
HOPE: Oh, I think you're being paged.
CARLEE: OK.
Yeah, I am.
Cody and Carlee have a very toxic relationship.
HOPE: She's definitely become dependent on Cody
even though he is very aggressive and dominating.
She is controlled by him.
He's able to say, act, go, whatever.
And she just goes with it because she has
a relationship with somebody.
They think that he's stolen me,
he's the reason that this has happened, he's this and that.
They're not around.
- They're not around. - Love you.
Love you.
CARMEN: I do think that my sister molds herself
to anybody that she dates.
She's in such a state of delusion.
And I'm scared that we've completely lost her.
[hoots]
[banging]
She's coming.
Cody gets so angry over the smallest thing
if things do not go his way when he wants it.
Cody, what's the matter?
Why?
What happened?
I love you.
Carlee will continue tolerating
this kind of behavior from Cody as long
as he feeds this addiction.
And I am really afraid of what that's going to escalate to.
[pensive music]
AMANDA MARINO: Thank you so much for being here today.
In this situation of Carlee, tell me a little bit about,
from your perspective, what's going on.
She is very addicted to drugs.
And it's just progressed very heavily when her son
died a couple of weeks ago.
It was a couple of weeks ago?
Yes.
And she had to call to break the news to me that someone passed.
In my mind, I immediately went to, well, Carlee's dead.
I'm just waiting on that call at this point.
And so, what's-- from your perspective, what's going on?
I have been pretty much no contact with her
for about three years, which is when
it started getting really bad.
Um, but she's starting to have seizures.
And it's becoming more and more life-threatening.
What brought you to the moment of the no contact?
My mother was an addict and pretty much my entire family.
When Carlee became addicted, I'd been through it
so many different times, I couldn't allow myself to fall
back into those same routines of no stability, always
wondering where she is, and always trying to help
but not being able to.
We have also had no contact with her at all.
And what propelled you to get to that place?
We had to protect ourselves.
Carlee's family, they've been through so much.
But with the choices that they've made
and boundaries that they've created,
they're willing to show up in this kind of way, which
is the best kind of way you can even with everything
that they've been through.
And that says a lot about their ability to get Cody
and Carlee to accept the help.
What do you think of Cody?
So she was two years off of anything more than a Tylenol
or ibuprofen when she met Cody.
He gave her that attention and that love
and affection that she didn't get from Mom and Dad.
Absolutely.
The only time that we see him, it's when he's completely
just belligerently angry.
Breaking windows and yelling at his mother--
- So you've seen these. - --or my sister.
AMANDA MARINO: You've witnessed these.
- Yes - Oh, yes.
Wow, that's scary.
I'm not convinced he's not abusive towards her
in this point, too.
And, I mean, we've--
We know she would hide it.
AMANDA MARINO: Of course.
Because she has before.
Carlee has been in an abusive relationship before from about
11 until probably about 18.
And she hid this from us, like, all of the physical abuse.
Until one day, she was probably about 18,
he hit her in the face.
And I believe that Cody has learned how to weaponize
his anger in a similar way.
And that absolutely terrifies me.
Anything you remember about her
when she was at her best that, like, could still be in there?
She called me from a blocked number
last year on her birthday to make
sure that I didn't forget that it was her sister's birthday.
And to please call her so that she would feel
loved by the rest of the family.
And to me, that made me think, OK, well, something in her
still cares.
That is good information for me.
Tonight, I learned that there is some leverage
and some positive motivation with Carlee with her family.
There's still that connection there.
And that could help me and help our team with,
you know, getting Carlee to seek help.
I want to, you know, not just see Carlee get help.
I want to see her have a lasting change.
Have healing in the generational trauma.
So we definitely need you.
And you're both willing to be involved?
- Absolutely. - Yeah.
OK. All the way?
- All the way. - All the way.
They both are addicted to crack cocaine.
It's just something that we do just
like if you play Parcheesi.
Yeah, OK, I'll hide.
[chuckles]
They got to steal for a living.
Carlee's just been arrested?
Her seizure's too scary to think about.
We just try not to think about things like that yet.
I'm not convinced he's not abusive towards her.
AMY: Cody, what's the matter?
It's just spiraling even more out of control.
It's a lot of trauma.
It's a whole lot.
I think they used the drugs to numb the pain.
They never have to see rock bottom
because everything's handed to them on a silver platter.
When was the last time they hit you up for money, Chuck?
Last night.
[chuckles] I just fear for him being without.
It's horrible.
[giggles]
AMY: They're enjoying this.
If Cody and Carlee don't get help,
it's going to end their lives.
[pensive music]
- Amanda, that's Eric Kraft. - Eric, so nice to meet you.
- Good to meet you. - Thanks for being here.
Eric is working with me doing security and more hostile,
young men stuff, so he's a really
good fit for this intervention.
[ominous music]
Can you run us through everything
that kind of speaks to the volatility
and unpredictability?
Yeah, unpredictability is the biggest word.
At first, the worst behavior was just
extremely high-speed driving.
He eventually led to make threats to the crew.
DARREN HOBBS: And what kind of threats were they making?
Cody and Carlee came home.
And Cody was extremely agitated that the film crew was there.
He went straight to his vehicle and said
he is going to drive the vehicle straight
through the garage, the exact spot
that the entire crew was at.
Wow.
Whether it's an empty threat or it's a legit threat,
we have to take all of those things very seriously,
you know. They're on crack cocaine.
They're very unpredictable. - Yes.
When we were first digging into this case,
it didn't present that Cody was dangerous.
But we're seeing erratic, aggressive behaviors
that can put us in jeopardy.
ERIC: I think we have ways that we can really do this.
The first one being Johnson model intervention,
where the guests of honor are invited into a surprise
to talk about their addiction.
That is how this typically works.
Which I'm completely not comfortable with,
with the parameters of what we've learned.
His behavior is just way too unpredictable.
Right.
Scenario two, you know, an Invitational model,
where we offer them a conversation about recovery.
That's, like, the best way to disarm someone who's
a threat or unpredictable.
If I'm working with someone who's hostile,
surprising them with an intervention
can be extremely dangerous.
Sometimes inviting them to the process,
letting them know what's happening, can lessen the blow.
I would feel comfortable right now saying, option two,
I'd feel pretty good about.
At this moment, I do, too.
There's no guarantees in any intervention.
And given the unpredictability of high-frequency crack usage,
it's ultimately really important for Amanda and I
to stay in best practice while being able to pivot
given the need.
Circumstances can change on a dime.
And we need to be able to think just as quickly
and move everybody in a safe space.
It's about getting Cody and Carlee the help
that they need, the family the help that they need,
and keeping all of us safe in the process.
Right.
Yeah, OK.
[somber music]
AMANDA MARINO: Thank you all for being here with us today.
My name is Amanda Marino.
I know I met a couple of you last night.
And I'm Darren Hobbs.
I got the pleasure of working with Cody's family yesterday.
We got two lives to save.
We've also got a grandbaby, so we've got a lot of work to do.
Family unity throughout an intervention process
is key to success, not only for the addict and treatment
but for the system that he or she is going to come home to.
If we can get everybody in the right lane at home,
we've got a great chance to get everyone healthy.
What we want to accomplish today is outline enabling behaviors.
Let's agree to stop them.
And let's put a practical plan in place to make that happen.
Because we do need an immediate yes to a "go to treatment"
out of these guys because I think their lives
are in danger.
They're literally in danger every day.
- Every day. - It gets worse every day.
AMANDA MARINO: Absolutely.
So let's talk about boundaries.
Let's talk about consequences, right?
Amy, what's the toughest set of boundaries and consequences
you could come up with?
If I have to keep him out of my life and Charlee's life
after all of this, I'm prepared to do that.
I'll do anything.
Anything.
AMANDA MARINO: OK.
My heart hears you.
And I want that to rub off on the man next to you.
You've got to.
DARREN HOBBS: I need you in the same spot, man.
Yeah, I know.
In the past month, how much cash have they hit you for?
Oh, I don't know.
Probably at least 1,000, I'm sure.
Maybe more.
AMY: The car was 4,000.
The car was enough, yeah.
Plus, they live in your property?
Chuck, are you today willing to stop
immediately doing those things?
I'm not going to put them on the street.
AMANDA MARINO: Well, it's not putting them on the street,
it's offering them treatment.
See now, Carlee doesn't have them to lean on,
so now you hold the cards for Carlee.
It's actually really hard to sit here and not blame you
for my sister's destruction right now
because we did everything to make sure that she
wanted to come back home.
And you offer her everything that she could possibly want.
And so, here we are losing our sister,
our niece, and our cousin.
Right.
Now their boundaries don't even work without you on board.
ERICA: You have to let them hit their rock bottom.
I mean, their kids weren't their rock bottom.
DARREN HOBBS: Chuck, everything I need from you, the house
goes away immediately.
The car, if there's any remaining balance on it,
you stop paying it.
Financial assistance of every kind dries up immediately.
If they refuse to leave the home,
we get law enforcement involved immediately.
And again, we're not throwing them on the street.
We're offering both of them--
AMANDA MARINO: --very nice treatment.
--very nice treatment centers.
I would love to have my son back.
Are you willing to do every single thing that we just named
to help save Cody and Carlee?
You have to, please?
I'll do my--
I'll do my best.
No, that's not good enough.
No, no, no, no.
DARREN HOBBS: I need 100%, Chuck.
We all do.
These guys do.
We're begging you.
AMANDA MARINO: They're begging you.
I know. AMY: We're begging you.
CARMEN: This is two families that lives are being destroyed.
We need--
Everybody has to be on board.
AMANDA MARINO: OK.
I think you're up for it.
And from that point, I think that we can talk about how
we want to get in touch with these guys
and possibly invite them.
And see if we can get in front of them.
We both agree that the traditional,
you come in, it's a surprise, this
is not safe for anybody in the room considering that Cody
offered to drive his truck through the garage full of crew
members.
Crack use, typically, will help someone become
more violent more quickly.
It will help someone lose their impulse control.
And Cody seems to have all of that going on right now.
We're going to initiate a phone call to Cody and Carlee.
And we're going to invite them to a family
meeting that's scheduled for tomorrow mid-morning.
All intervention models are effective.
In Cody and Carlee's case, there is
a lot of violence and threats.
So giving them a heads up or inviting
them to the family meeting is the safest for everyone.
I would just worry that they would get that and then--
--vamp.
But it's better than ambushing and having
to put people in danger. - And having--
We can't have that.
We just can't have a surprise with
their unpredictable behavior.
OK.
The risks with the Invitational model for Cody
and Carlee are they could just tell us to, you know,
F-off or they could not show up or we
could lose them completely.
But with so many people's lives at risk,
this is the only option we have.
So let's game this phone call out, OK?
Chuck's going to be using Amy's phone.
And say, hey, I want to invite you to a family meeting
tomorrow.
Tell them there'll be a car there to pick them up 10:30.
Are you ready?
We're ready.
OK, you go over there.
Yeah.
AMANDA MARINO: Say a little prayer inside your head.
Let me know when.
Fire away.
[phone dialing]
Hey.
Your dad, fool.
[chuckles]
I know.
[chuckles] We're talking about some things.
We're going to have a family meeting tomorrow.
And I'm going to pick you up at 10:30 tomorrow.
And, um, we're going to sit down and just talk.
We're going to have Logan and--
We're going to have a--
mily.
And I'm going to pick you up.
And, uh, we're going to sit down and just talk.
I love you, baby.
OK.
Hey. CODY (ON PHONE): Hey.
We're going to pick you and Carlee up.
Cody, it's to talk about our family.
--and Charlee.
(WHISPERS) Butcher shop.
Butcher shop.
OK, we'll meet you at the butcher shop at 10:30.
OK, just don't listen.
OK, we're just wanting to talk to you,
so can we pick you up at 10:30 tomorrow?
We got to-- we got to go, but I'll see you at 10:30.
OK.
DARREN HOBBS: Good work. Good work.
Good job, guys. CARMEN: You did so good.
All right, guys.
Listen, that was amazing on both your part.
They're freaking out that now.
That's-- that's OK.
He just went into bully mode.
It took him four seconds
AMY: Yip.
DARREN HOBBS: I'm not doing this.
I'm not doing that. I'm going to punch somebody.
And that's a small bite of what's coming tomorrow.
He's going to be full of heat.
CHUCK: Yeah.
But we've got an agreement out of them
right now for 10:30 tomorrow.
If or when we don't hear from them,
we say we don't mind bringing this family meeting to you.
OK.
And we're on the way.
What about when they start blowing them up tonight?
My phone's going off.
OK, they could show up tonight at your house?
- True. - OK, what happens if they do?
Could you go to a hotel?
No, I'll be fine at home.
AMANDA MARINO: But I'm just concerned for safety
of both of you being home tonight
with them knowing something's up.
No.
I wouldn't know.
AMANDA MARINO: OK, can you not contact Cody and Carlee tonight
and not respond to anything?
Can you give us all that word?
Yeah.
Yeah, I won't. DARREN HOBBS: OK.
I won't.
AMANDA MARINO: OK.
There are so many hurdles in the case of Carlee and Cody.
However, I think what we did with Chuck,
you know, we got him to commit and hold these boundaries
and these bottom lines.
So we definitely put a huge dent in what
you can do in a few hours with this family system.
For tomorrow, me, you, and Logan will be in my truck
and drive over to the butcher shop parking lot
to pick them up.
Amanda would be here.
Back here with family.
And we're going to do a family meeting here.
[pensive music]
Tomorrow, we're going to need this exact energy.
And we're going to need open hearts
and open ears on their part.
All right.
You can do this, Chuck, OK?
You can do this.
I'm serious.
[ominous music]
Logan, what's up, dude?
I've got you on speaker with Amanda.
Hey.
LOGAN (ON PHONE): Hey.
Damn it.
Oh, my god.
I knew it.
No, that's absolute-- you were here.
- No. - You heard that.
- Thank you. - Thank you, Logan.
Good work.
AMANDA MARINO: Thank you.
You're amazing.
All right.
Unbelievable, not even an hour.
Now I don't even know if tomorrow he's going to hold.
I don't know if he'll hold any of the boundaries.
Now I think he just told a whole room of people a bunch of BS
so we would just leave him alone.
Right. Should we call him?
AMANDA MARINO: Yeah. - Let's go.
Hey, Chuck.
Hey, man, I just wanted to check on you.
Make sure you're holding to the boundaries we agreed to.
Yeah
What concerns me is that we made
an agreement that there was going
to be no conversation tonight. - At all.
At all.
And if we've already--
if we're already breaking our word,
then that gives me concern for the outcome tomorrow already.
AMANDA MARINO: We need you to please
not have any more contact until tomorrow no matter what.
Please.
It's, like, life or death that you stick to this.
Chuck, can we have your word again?
Will you keep it this time?
CHUCK (ON PHONE) [sighs]
Listen, don't give him a shoulder to cry on.
Don't give him an ear to listen.
Don't give him a dollar to go buy crack.
All right.
All right, Chuck.
We're counting on you, dude.
We need you.
OK, bye.
All right.
I've given Chuck the keys to success on how
to stop enabling his son.
And he's yet to agree to use them.
My biggest fear is if we can't get Chuck stopped
from enabling, Cody and Carlee will never have a chance
to agree to go to treatment. - This is to another level.
He couldn't even do it 20 minutes.
He's as dangerous to Cody and Carlee as crack cocaine.
AMANDA MARINO: Oh, he is.
He is.
c music]
DARREN HOBBS: Chuck, I need you to be strong today, dude.
A lot of pressure, I know, but I think you can pull it off.
So did they attempt to contact you any further last night?
The plan as of right now, I'm going
to take Chuck and Logan and Eric, he's security on my team.
Due to Cody's unpredictability and impulsivity and kind
of pensions for violence, I wanted Eric around to make
sure we all stayed safe.
Amanda's back at the house with the ladies of Carlee's family
and also Amy, Cody's mom.
[pensive music]
Have you heard from either Cody or Carlee today?
I have not heard from them since yesterday
when we were here.
- OK, not a text, not a call? - Not a text.
- Nothing. - Nothing.
OK.
I did text Chuck last night when I found out.
And I told him I could not believe
that he went against everything he had promised all of us.
And he could ruin everything that we've worked so hard for.
I feel so helpless right now.
We were relying on a weak man.
And he did exactly what we thought he was going to do.
He failed.
I don't want us to argue with Cody and Carlee.
This is going to be a straight-up, hey,
man, look, we're worried about you,
we're worried for your life.
And we want to make you an offer to change your life.
He thinks he's saving Cody and Carlee.
He's killing them.
But he doesn't get it.
But he doesn't see it.
Fear of pain of running out of drugs and the word no
is what's going to save your son's life.
That's what's going to save Carlee's life.
Today is the day.
But their being able to make a good decision
is going to be dependent on you being able to deliver
these consequences.
CHUCK: No.
LOGAN: No.
11:00.
Um, so we'll give them another few minutes.
I don't know if he's actually going to show up.
If they're awake, they're probably smoking crack.
If they were up till 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning,
they might not even be awake right now.
We'll go over there and try to do this in person.
Are you down for that?
Let's try it out.
We'll head over there.
Which house is it?
This one right here on the left.
DARREN HOBBS: There is no car in the rear of this house.
Typical addict behavior.
Sure.
DARREN HOBBS: Cody and Carlee are runners.
I think that they believe that they're gone too far
and staying high is much more comfortable than doing
the work to get healthy.
Logan, you got a number for him?
LOGAN: Sure.
DARREN HOBBS: Let's see where I can get with him.
And if or when they hang up on me,
I'm going to text them explain exactly what's on the table
for them as far as an offer of treatment
and see if they're interested.
And we'll take the conversation from there.
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Sorry, mailbox is full.
Let's see, Cody.
Darren just sent a screenshot.
He wrote to Cody and Carlee's cell phone.
"Hi, Cody and Carlee, my name is Darren,
I'd like to offer you a life-changing experience
of treatment.
Would you be interested in a fresh start in life?
Can meet anywhere you feel safe.
Dad and Logan would love to meet and talk."
He wrote back, "Hi, Darren, bye Darren.
Life's a bitch.
Be a bitch back.
[bleep] off and have a nice day.
Stop calling me."
[somber music]
I'm very disappointed.
AMANDA MARINO: OK.
We're all here trying to help them,
and to be treated that way about it is infuriating.
ERICA: So emotional.
My cousin's heart is broken, my aunt's heart is broken,
and that makes me furious.
DARREN HOBBS: Everyone is distraught, you know.
These guys are beaten.
Aside from Chuck, we've had a 100% buy-in
from everyone else who's participated in prepping
for this intervention.
And there's a lot of hurt feelings right now.
I just had Amy and Carmen call.
Did they get through?
No, but I did recommend that you
and I come up with a unified text
message offer of treatment.
Offer of treatment.
Talk about programs up in a good way.
Tell them the truth about what they're right now turning down
but can accept.
And what their individual boundaries are and whatever
they want to personally say, but have it via a unified message.
And then just go from there.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
Cody and Carlee have been obstinate.
They've been defiant about this entire process.
But the truth is I've seen abstinence and defiance
melt over just a text.
And Cody and Carlee will be able to read that they are loved
and that they are precious to their families,
but that their addiction no longer runs the show.
CARMEN: How dare you!
You called them!
I looked you in the eyes and I chose kindness!
You don't deserve the kindness that I gave you last night!
You're [bleep] killing my sister,
and you're killing your son, and you killed your grandson!
,
and you killed your grandson!
If they didn't have those [bleep] drugs,
he'd probably still be alive.
I don't have to.
You gave them a house!
You gave them a car!
You give them money!
Gave them money yesterday after you looked at me!
You looked at all of us and promised!
You promised to set boundaries and you did [bleep] all!
[shouting]
No, no, no, no.
No, [bleep] you!
Yeah, you're [bleep] killing your own son
and you're OK with it!
My mom's dead because of it!
I'm going to have to bury another [bleep]
family member because of it--
because of you!
Yeah.
You are the sole provider of this issue.
It is you!
If you didn't give them anything,
if they continued to do it, it'd be of their own volition,
but you're allowing it.
And I have begged you, Chuck, for years to stop.
Stop giving them money.
And you tell me all the time, I know, I've got to stop.
You've got to stop being the "good guy" for them
and give them hard luck.
LOGAN: We're all on the same side.
And you gave us your word.
And you're mad that we bring it up to you,
and we were all hoping that you would just keep your word
until the meeting today.
I believe because of the boundary being gone back
on last night is a big part of the reason
they're not here today. I think they might be here.
- Yes. - No.
It is.
And this is-- if you commit to something fully,
it doesn't mean you can twist and bob
and weave it to your version of making it OK.
So if you can't be ready, how can we expect
Cody and Carlee to be ready?
There's no way that they can be ready until you are.
They know they can get through and get whatever they want
because you have a weak spot for them
and they're exploiting that.
You're being played by a bunch of addicts.
When every single person in your life, including all
the professionals are telling you a message,
this is real, regardless of what your brain tells you.
This is the way it has to be or they're going to die.
Mm, yeah.
AMANDA MARINO: So we need to move on today.
And we need to send them a message-- unified message.
And we need to take some action steps today.
We've got the messaging lined out if everybody wants
to join us in the big room.
And let's prepare ourselves to send a lasting message of hope
to these guys, OK?
Darren and I came and prepared.
We had backup plan for backup plan for backup plan.
But also, there's nothing that anyone
can do if Chuck isn't willing to do the steps he needs to take.
There's no way Cody and Carlee on their own cognizant
are going to go seek help unless they have some consequences.
If these boundaries aren't held, it could
propel them to get even worse.
So these have to be held.
And you can put, like, at the end your own--
I miss you, whatever is your own personal.
But that's the standard unified message.
Chuck, are you really going to do this [bleep]?
I need to know.
I'll do my best.
The commitment of doing your best
is not going to help anything.
Cody and Carlee cannot be helped until you're helped,
until you're 100%.
Look, guys, I understand.
It's a lot of pressure all at once.
Just please, god.
- It's life or death. - I know.
And there's already been a baby dead.
This is life or death.
So, like, you're not taking this [bleep] seriously.
You're not hearing cries. You're not hearing--
You're stupid with this [bleep], man.
Chuck.
It's just too stupid with the [bleep], man.
It's not stupid, it's the truth.
We'll learn how to deal with [bleep] better.
Help me better.
Not talk like [bleep] idiots.
They tried talk to you nice yesterday.
I'm out of here. I'm off.
[bleep] y'all.
No one's an idiot here.
I don't want this [bleep].
Somebody better get it, man.
DARREN HOBBS: Let's just remember he's a sick man.
He's just as sick as Cody and Carlee, if not sicker.
Yeah.
There is something in his history
that makes this sound like the scariest thing in the world.
Because he thinks if he gives Cody all of these ultimatums,
Cody will kill himself.
He's going to do it anyway.
That's what he fears.
But it's either he points the gun at Cody or Cody
does it himself. AMY: Right.
And right now, he's just pointed a gun at his kid.
This is avoidance, this is fear.
You heard me ask him, was losing your mom
to suicide part of the reason why you protect Cody so much?
And he couldn't put it together.
So we came here to help these two families out.
The biggest challenge that faces both team Cody and team Carlee
is Chuck and all the cards that he holds.
Without his continued enabling, their addiction
won't have any wind behind it.
And ultimately, we can get them some help.
But right now, Chuck is scared to do that.
This is not done.
We want to know if you hear anything.
We want to know if anything unfortunate happens.
And I want to know how I can support in any way.
And I know that Darren, the same.
Like, we're here.
We're not going anywhere.
Intervention is a process, not just an event.
It's not just a conversation for one day.
So what we hope to do moving forward with these guys
is continue to help them get strong and stay in their lanes.
And if we can get the boundaries in place,
we can then move Cody and Carlee.
And ultimately, get them some help.
[pensive music]
DARREN HOBBS: I'm back in Memphis for Cody and Carlee
to make another offer of treatment.
Get in front of these guys and, um, give them
a chance to change their lives.
What I'm hearing from both of their families
is that things are getting worse.
So right now I'm driving to see Cody's mother, Amy
because before I get face time with Cody and Carlee,
I want to get some background info on the last six weeks.
And see if it informs my approach for our intervention.
Thank you for having me over.
AMY: Thanks for coming.
So catch me up.
How are you?
How's things with Cody?
I've only seen him one time since you guys left.
He visited for about 15 minutes and then had to go.
Since six weeks ago.
Has there been any incidents that you're aware of?
I just found out this morning that there
was apparently a scene at their house last night.
OK.
Cody and Carlee were fighting.
Then Chuck got involved, so Cody ended up pushing Chuck down.
OK.
And Chuck told them to get the F out, so--
- That's his home. - Right.
Right.
So they both left.
I'm hoping that this is enough to wake Chuck up.
And this can be the thing that we use
to get Cody and Carlee healthy.
But he begged them to come home.
He did.
Mm-hmm.
He said he texted them all morning, called
them all morning asking them to come home,
and they finally did.
Wow.
Addiction is a family disease.
And Chuck's continued enabling has
shot this intervention in our preparation in the foot time
after time.
A few hours ago, Carlee responded
to me because I was checking to see if she was all right.
Uh-huh.
And she said, yes, she was fine.
That Cody was upset because she didn't
hear him ask her something.
And Chuck escalated it by interfering.
OK.
And things got out of control.
It's just--
It sounds like more of the same.
Right.
She's minimizing.
Right.
They're antagonizing each other.
And Chuck's scared to lose Cody.
Yeah.
Regardless, I want to put a great offer on the table
for Cody and Carlee.
Getting their attention and getting in front of them
tomorrow is just, like, the crucial thing.
Can we do it?
I'm going to try to be as strong as I can be tomorrow.
We've just got to go into this believing that it can happen
and that it will happen.
And give it everything we've got to see it through.
This intervention is probably going to be ugly.
We're going to have to kind of pick the messaging up where
we left off six weeks ago.
With Cody and Carlee, things are escalating.
This is a perfect storm.
All of our chips pushed on the table tomorrow.
Yeah.
I mean, I look at it, like, life or death.
DARREN HOBBS: Welcome, everybody.
This is our team for Cody and Carlee part two.
I appreciate your patience today.
I know it's been a long burn.
Six weeks deep, but I think today is the day.
I pray you're right.
And, J, you weren't able to join us the first time.
Where's your energy today?
My energy is I'm ready to get this party started.
So plan today.
What we're hearing is that they've returned to the house.
So small group first.
Eric and I, we're going to make an approach.
We're going to talk to Cody and Carlee outside the house.
I'm going to have you guys posted up a few blocks away.
We're opting for the surprise Johnson
model here because of the Invitational style didn't work.
So if our first conversation doesn't get an instant yes,
we're bringing you guys in as wave two.
I want to be able to look both Cody and Carlee in the eye
and make sure that they know what they're choosing today.
You're choosing to continue to use versus working
your way into health.
That's what's at stake today in their own lives.
All right?
Let's go.
[phone rings]
He's calling me.
Cody is calling me.
Put him on speaker, let's hear it.
Hey, did you call?
Do what?
I don't--
I don't know, son.
I'm at the store right now getting some stuff for Charlee.
Where are you at?
OK, well, let me finish checking out.
And then I'll get back to you.
Love you, bye.
So they're not home.
DARREN HOBBS: Interventions very rarely go as planned.
Cody and Carlee are on the move 24/7.
You know, just getting face time with these guys
is going to be a real issue.
Given the phone call that we just got,
if they're truly getting a tire fixed,
we're going to move this entire operation to another spot.
Eric and I go try to get in touch with these guys.
Have guys posted up a few blocks away.
All right, let's go.
[dramatic music]
Go team.
All right.
Right now, we know Cody and Carlee
are stuck at a tire shop.
Broke down in North Memphis.
They're hoping and waiting for a Cash App from Amy, Cody's mom,
to come through.
So with that information, Eric and I
are headed over there right now to see if we can
have a conversation with them.
Because we know these guys are runners,
this is the only shot that I think
we're going to get, to get in front of Cody and Carlee.
Every minute counts.
The tire shop's right over here.
I don't see a blue hatchback there.
What's that?
What's on the other side of that white car?
Oh, that's not a hatchback.
Anxiety, [nervous chuckles] a lot of anxiety.
I just have a little more hope this time
than I did last time that they will stop running and listen.
I'm just afraid if he doesn't get help now,
he's going to end up dead.
This is it.
Make a left here.
Yeah, there's their car right there.
It's that blue Saturn backed up right against the--
Oh, somebody popped out of it. Let's go.
LOGAN: That's Cody.
That's him right there in the white shirt.
DARREN HOBBS: Ha, ha.
LOGAN: Getting in the driver's seat.
DARREN HOBBS: Yep, let's hope he didn't
find 15 bucks somewhere else.
AMY: This is what we've been waiting for.
We're-- we're doing it.
LOGAN: There he is.
DARREN HOBBS: There's Cody getting in right there.
There, can you see?
Notice the blue car there?
Is the blue car there?
That's them.
LOGAN: Yeah.
No [bleep].
DARREN HOBBS: They've seen this truck.
They are backed in on the side of O'Reilly.
[phone rings]
AMY: Hello?
What, Cody?
Why?
Cody, I will be more than happy to give you that money,
if you will just talk to Darren.
That's it, no cameras.
No cameras.
He told me to keep the money.
Look there, they're moving.
They're moving.
Let's see where they go.
Coming back this way.
He's driving, right?
Yes.
[tires screech]
[car accelerates]
He might just come visit us.
[tires screech]
Let's do it.
[dramatic music]
A lot of [bleep] talk.
Yeah.
How much of that did you see, Logan?
All of it.
Cody opened his door just long enough
to look me in the eye and what I saw was end-stage addiction.
I saw a dead man looking back at me.
My fear for Cody and Carlee is that they
don't live much longer.
We're not going to continue to chase these guys.
As far as I'm concerned, she's a hostage.
- Absolutely. - Yes, she's a hostage.
I want you to flood that phone with how much you love Carlee.
And how much you're never going to stop
hoping that today is the day.
You start calling victim's hotlines in Shelby and Memphis.
Amy, Logan, I'm asking you to go deep and hard here.
You send her a message and say, hey, I love you.
And until you and Carlee get clean,
you have no more contact with Charlee.
That's it.
No more phone calls, no more tax messages until you're clean.
It becomes your house.
I want you to call me, and I'm going to lead you
to get an order of protection.
They both feel like they're invincible and untouchable.
And this lifestyle will catch up with them.
I mean, it's already started to.
I'm sorry we couldn't have done it different.
I really-- I really am, dude.
I'm really sorry.
I hate it.
We're going to give her.
I know that you will.
I hope that we look back and say that was
the day things changed.
I hope so.
She knew you guys were here.
She did.
She knew it.
Yeah.
I am pissed.
We are trying to save her life, and he just--
he won't--
D Man, I feel like we got beat by addiction today, man.
Addiction won.
I hate it.
It just amazes me that Cody and Carlee can't
see that their families are so deeply affected by what
they continue to do, right?
For Cody, I feel like this is an end.
I don't think it's likely he's ever
going to agree to go to treatment
until Carlee is away from him.
And the best chance we have to get Carlee away from him
is for those ladies to get Carlee out of that house.
I truly believe that they will.
[somber music]