1 00:00:02,333 --> 00:00:03,875 NARRATOR: This program contains subject 2 00:00:03,958 --> 00:00:05,917 matter and language that may be disturbing to some viewers. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,750 Viewer discretion is advised. 4 00:00:07,833 --> 00:00:09,333 [ominous music] 5 00:00:09,417 --> 00:00:11,625 Being in a relationship is difficult enough. 6 00:00:11,708 --> 00:00:14,250 Add to it addiction, and you have a perfect recipe 7 00:00:14,375 --> 00:00:16,000 for a tornado to come that you're 8 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:17,500 not going to be able to stop. 9 00:00:17,625 --> 00:00:19,875 [lighter flicks, hisses] 10 00:00:19,958 --> 00:00:22,375 There's that old saying, misery loves company. 11 00:00:25,083 --> 00:00:28,042 I can't see it being anything other than a nightmare. 12 00:00:28,125 --> 00:00:31,708 The worst hell you have ever had in your entire life. 13 00:00:31,833 --> 00:00:35,833 [tense music] 14 00:00:35,917 --> 00:00:37,000 [inhales] 15 00:00:38,625 --> 00:00:41,583 Couples in their addiction just tear each other apart. 16 00:00:41,667 --> 00:00:42,917 You were done with that. 17 00:00:43,042 --> 00:00:45,500 We were done with that, and you brought it back. 18 00:00:45,542 --> 00:00:46,667 The dishonesty-- 19 00:00:46,708 --> 00:00:47,500 (bleep) 20 00:00:47,583 --> 00:00:48,042 I'm going. 21 00:00:48,125 --> 00:00:49,417 I'm done. 22 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:50,458 - The manipulation. - The fighting. 23 00:00:51,042 --> 00:00:52,833 It's your fault! 24 00:00:52,917 --> 00:00:55,958 --and the codependency is deep. 25 00:00:56,042 --> 00:00:58,083 The only thing harder than fighting an addiction 26 00:00:58,083 --> 00:01:00,125 is fighting codependency at the same time. 27 00:01:03,167 --> 00:01:05,333 They're playing that dance of death, 28 00:01:05,417 --> 00:01:07,042 and they're killing each other. 29 00:01:10,667 --> 00:01:13,125 JOEY: Corinne and I first met when she came over to my house. 30 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:17,042 I don't know what happened, but we just started talking. 31 00:01:17,167 --> 00:01:18,625 Like, and it just was really clicking. 32 00:01:18,708 --> 00:01:20,625 JOEY: She doesn't just care with her heart. 33 00:01:20,708 --> 00:01:21,917 She cares with her soul. 34 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,958 We are using methamphetamine. 35 00:01:24,042 --> 00:01:26,167 CORINNE: I've had eight ODs. 36 00:01:26,250 --> 00:01:28,167 Corinne's relationship with Joey 37 00:01:28,208 --> 00:01:31,792 is the main thing that's making her stay addicted. 38 00:01:31,875 --> 00:01:33,083 I mean, it's only a matter of time 39 00:01:33,167 --> 00:01:36,500 before I end up in jail or dead. 40 00:01:36,583 --> 00:01:38,542 Meth brings us together, and it rips us apart. 41 00:01:44,750 --> 00:01:48,208 It's really hard to see her just lose everything. 42 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,833 We have to be very, very clear, 43 00:01:53,917 --> 00:01:55,417 and all on the same exact page. 44 00:01:55,542 --> 00:01:56,958 You have to accept this program. 45 00:01:57,042 --> 00:01:59,583 Life [bleep] sucks when you're addicted. 46 00:01:59,708 --> 00:02:02,083 I remember you as a happy, bright child. 47 00:02:02,167 --> 00:02:04,333 I miss Joey, what he was, you know? 48 00:02:04,375 --> 00:02:07,333 What we have, essentially, is like, this perfect storm. 49 00:02:07,417 --> 00:02:09,750 And everybody has to sacrifice. 50 00:02:09,875 --> 00:02:10,625 Hey, Dad. 51 00:02:10,708 --> 00:02:11,667 Whoa. 52 00:02:11,708 --> 00:02:14,083 Meth will steal your soul. 53 00:02:14,208 --> 00:02:17,750 [somber music] 54 00:02:28,708 --> 00:02:31,875 [water rushing] 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,833 CORINNE: It's so nice out here. 56 00:02:37,875 --> 00:02:38,875 Like, it's so pretty. 57 00:02:38,958 --> 00:02:42,167 Look at how cool the trees look. 58 00:02:42,208 --> 00:02:43,542 My name is Joey. 59 00:02:43,625 --> 00:02:45,250 I'm from Weaverville, California. 60 00:02:45,333 --> 00:02:46,542 My name is Corinne. 61 00:02:46,625 --> 00:02:48,000 I'm from Weaverville, California. 62 00:02:48,083 --> 00:02:52,000 And we've been together about three years now. 63 00:02:52,125 --> 00:02:53,292 JOEY: I love Weaverville. 64 00:02:53,292 --> 00:02:55,583 It's a small, tight-knit community. 65 00:02:55,667 --> 00:02:58,375 I think it's one of the most beautiful places in the world. 66 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:01,000 I feel like I can breathe here. 67 00:03:01,083 --> 00:03:02,542 People would pay a lot of money just 68 00:03:02,625 --> 00:03:04,125 to see these sights for a minute. 69 00:03:04,208 --> 00:03:05,958 But it is hard to leave, and that could 70 00:03:06,042 --> 00:03:07,250 be a good thing or a bad thing. 71 00:03:10,125 --> 00:03:11,833 Look at. 72 00:03:11,917 --> 00:03:14,542 JOEY: Corinne and I first met when she came over to my house. 73 00:03:16,042 --> 00:03:16,833 He comes in. 74 00:03:16,917 --> 00:03:18,000 He's like, oh, hey. 75 00:03:18,083 --> 00:03:19,708 And I was like, oh, hi, you know? 76 00:03:19,792 --> 00:03:21,542 And I don't know what happened, but we just started talking. 77 00:03:21,542 --> 00:03:23,000 Like, and it just was really clicking. 78 00:03:23,125 --> 00:03:24,000 Oh my god, that's so (bleep) cool-looking. 79 00:03:24,042 --> 00:03:25,333 JOEY: [laughs] 80 00:03:25,375 --> 00:03:26,458 CORINNE: It's like it came out of nowhere. 81 00:03:26,542 --> 00:03:28,167 JOEY: It did. CORINNE: It did. 82 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:30,042 The first time I met her, honestly, I thought, she's 83 00:03:30,125 --> 00:03:31,917 beautiful, and she's so sweet. 84 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,167 She doesn't just care with her heart. 85 00:03:33,292 --> 00:03:35,083 She cares with her soul. 86 00:03:35,167 --> 00:03:36,292 Ooh, that's a shock. 87 00:03:36,375 --> 00:03:37,708 People like that, they wake you up. 88 00:03:37,792 --> 00:03:39,583 They make you realize, like, exactly 89 00:03:39,667 --> 00:03:42,167 where you're standing at, and like, what you're standing in. 90 00:03:42,208 --> 00:03:43,042 CORINNE: Mm. 91 00:03:43,167 --> 00:03:43,958 JOEY: I love you. 92 00:03:44,042 --> 00:03:44,875 CORINNE: I love you. 93 00:03:44,958 --> 00:03:46,250 This is so pretty. 94 00:03:46,333 --> 00:03:49,625 Corinne is really intelligent and very giving. 95 00:03:49,708 --> 00:03:53,083 But she needs to feel valued and accepted, 96 00:03:53,167 --> 00:03:55,083 because she's emotionally fragile. 97 00:03:55,167 --> 00:03:56,708 CORINNE: Don't tell me how to do it. 98 00:03:56,708 --> 00:03:57,792 I'm going to try to remember what you told me. 99 00:03:57,875 --> 00:03:58,625 JOEY: OK. CORINNE: OK. 100 00:03:58,708 --> 00:04:00,000 JOEY: Nice. 101 00:04:00,125 --> 00:04:03,875 Joey has the wisest soul, and the most childlike heart. 102 00:04:03,958 --> 00:04:05,292 It's the perfect balance. 103 00:04:05,375 --> 00:04:06,708 JOEY: You want to keep it as flat on the water 104 00:04:06,833 --> 00:04:08,167 as you possibly can. CORINNE: All right. 105 00:04:08,208 --> 00:04:09,458 I'll try, I'll try, I'll try, I'll try. 106 00:04:09,458 --> 00:04:11,292 He encourages me, and it's amazing. 107 00:04:11,292 --> 00:04:12,167 Ah, I did two! 108 00:04:12,208 --> 00:04:13,667 There was two! 109 00:04:13,708 --> 00:04:14,250 Two happened, though. JOEY: That was good. 110 00:04:14,333 --> 00:04:15,667 That was awesome. 111 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:17,250 There's so much good coming from this 112 00:04:17,333 --> 00:04:19,208 that we believe it's a forever thing. 113 00:04:23,083 --> 00:04:23,917 JOEY: I love you. 114 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,208 CORINNE: Love you. 115 00:04:25,333 --> 00:04:26,750 But a lot of people don't believe in us. 116 00:04:29,625 --> 00:04:31,000 I can't support the relationship 117 00:04:31,125 --> 00:04:34,667 between Joey and Corinne because it is a dual addiction. 118 00:04:34,708 --> 00:04:38,083 He addicts to the person, and then if they're using, 119 00:04:38,167 --> 00:04:40,500 he addicts to the substance. 120 00:04:40,625 --> 00:04:41,833 We are using methamphetamine. 121 00:04:41,917 --> 00:04:43,167 Yeah. 122 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:46,750 [ominous music] 123 00:04:51,125 --> 00:04:56,333 Joey and I use about $200 a day, and we'll smoke all day. 124 00:04:56,417 --> 00:04:59,667 I use meth because it distracts me. 125 00:04:59,750 --> 00:05:01,625 It makes me not feel and think. 126 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:04,750 That first hit, there's a weight lifted off my shoulders. 127 00:05:04,833 --> 00:05:06,000 It's a mental shutdown. 128 00:05:06,042 --> 00:05:06,833 You lose yourself. 129 00:05:06,875 --> 00:05:09,000 [dramatic music] 130 00:05:09,083 --> 00:05:12,292 Normally I get meth by either trade, something I have, 131 00:05:12,375 --> 00:05:14,750 tools, or helping out around the house. 132 00:05:14,750 --> 00:05:17,167 CORINNE: I make money from internet modeling. 133 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:19,167 So I just took showers and recorded it, 134 00:05:19,208 --> 00:05:21,000 and people paid 50 bucks every time. 135 00:05:21,083 --> 00:05:23,333 It's not something that I ever really wanted to do. 136 00:05:23,417 --> 00:05:26,208 It feels degrading, but it's easy cash. 137 00:05:26,292 --> 00:05:28,208 I make about $900 a week. 138 00:05:28,292 --> 00:05:30,000 I asked Joey if it was OK. 139 00:05:30,042 --> 00:05:32,292 He said, absolutely, as long as I don't sleep with anybody. 140 00:05:32,375 --> 00:05:34,000 Anything to get the drugs. 141 00:05:34,125 --> 00:05:35,333 JOEY: I don't like that stuff. 142 00:05:35,375 --> 00:05:36,917 It just-- it makes me feel rotten. 143 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,417 But I can't stop, because I fear the outcome. 144 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:42,167 How much am I going to like myself? 145 00:05:42,208 --> 00:05:43,750 How much regret am I going to hold? 146 00:05:43,833 --> 00:05:45,167 How much of this [bleep] am I actually 147 00:05:45,250 --> 00:05:47,958 going to be able to deal with? 148 00:05:48,042 --> 00:05:49,375 Because of Corinne's addiction, 149 00:05:49,458 --> 00:05:51,833 she neglects her herself, her personal health. 150 00:05:51,875 --> 00:05:52,250 Come down here. 151 00:05:52,333 --> 00:05:54,000 Try this. 152 00:05:54,083 --> 00:05:57,042 I get down to about 97 pounds, when I get real bad on drugs. 153 00:05:57,125 --> 00:06:03,042 When she's on meth, she definitely looks tweaker-ish. 154 00:06:03,125 --> 00:06:04,417 I'm just going to [bleep]-- 155 00:06:04,542 --> 00:06:06,167 I'm just going to smoke it like this, if that's OK. 156 00:06:06,208 --> 00:06:10,167 I have scars all over my face from all the picking I did. 157 00:06:10,250 --> 00:06:12,708 I get infections in my mouth. 158 00:06:12,792 --> 00:06:15,167 I have lost one, two, three-- 159 00:06:15,292 --> 00:06:16,708 I've lost six teeth, I think. 160 00:06:16,833 --> 00:06:19,125 Two of them, I had to pull myself. 161 00:06:19,208 --> 00:06:20,458 It wears down your bones. 162 00:06:20,542 --> 00:06:22,667 It takes a toll on your body. 163 00:06:22,792 --> 00:06:25,750 I feel like a 70-year-old man when I wake up. 164 00:06:25,833 --> 00:06:27,958 You never know when you're going to get something 165 00:06:28,042 --> 00:06:29,417 laced in, like fentanyl. 166 00:06:29,542 --> 00:06:31,958 There's a lot of overdoses here, especially with fentanyl. 167 00:06:32,042 --> 00:06:37,375 I've had eight ODs, and that's because of the fentanyl. 168 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:41,083 Corinne ODed in a park bathroom, white 169 00:06:41,208 --> 00:06:43,208 as a sheet, blue lips. 170 00:06:43,292 --> 00:06:46,292 Took four Narcans to bring her back. 171 00:06:46,375 --> 00:06:48,542 I almost feel like I've been expecting her 172 00:06:48,625 --> 00:06:51,125 to die already, if I'm honest. 173 00:06:51,208 --> 00:06:53,333 There's always a good chance it could be laced. 174 00:06:53,375 --> 00:06:55,958 But we decided we didn't care, because it's 175 00:06:56,042 --> 00:07:00,167 so hard to find now that we're going to do it anyway. 176 00:07:00,208 --> 00:07:01,917 And it'll only get worse from there. 177 00:07:04,542 --> 00:07:06,958 JENNIFER: I believe Corinne's relationship with Joey 178 00:07:07,042 --> 00:07:11,917 is the main thing that's making her stay addicted. 179 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,375 The addiction and-- 180 00:07:17,292 --> 00:07:19,500 When we're using, we're toxic. 181 00:07:19,542 --> 00:07:21,667 Meth brings us together, and it rips us apart. 182 00:07:21,708 --> 00:07:24,750 When we get high, sometimes the fights are ridiculous. 183 00:07:31,917 --> 00:07:34,667 JAMIE: It's just a terrible, vicious downward cycle that 184 00:07:34,792 --> 00:07:36,083 they're trapped in right now. 185 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:42,333 And I've told both of them that meth will steal your soul. 186 00:07:42,375 --> 00:07:45,958 [ominous music] 187 00:07:50,292 --> 00:07:53,917 [tense music] 188 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:57,167 In. There you go. 189 00:07:57,208 --> 00:07:58,042 CORINNE: OK. 190 00:08:00,917 --> 00:08:02,833 JOEY: This is, uh, my daughter's room. 191 00:08:02,875 --> 00:08:05,667 This is all my family's things, you know, my kids. 192 00:08:05,708 --> 00:08:08,167 And this is what it [bleep] gets [bleep] turned into. 193 00:08:13,958 --> 00:08:15,583 Joey and Corinne had been living there, 194 00:08:15,667 --> 00:08:17,500 and Joey had a friend get in trouble, 195 00:08:17,625 --> 00:08:19,833 and he allowed the friend to come stay. 196 00:08:19,917 --> 00:08:21,542 At that point, Joey left to visit 197 00:08:21,625 --> 00:08:23,125 his kids in another state. 198 00:08:27,125 --> 00:08:30,167 During that time, the friend became a squatter. 199 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:31,500 He wouldn't leave. 200 00:08:31,583 --> 00:08:34,417 Law enforcement wouldn't help because squatter 201 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:36,500 has a lot of rights. 202 00:08:36,583 --> 00:08:39,250 Ultimately, it was Joey that left the home 203 00:08:39,375 --> 00:08:41,417 and came to live with me. 204 00:08:41,542 --> 00:08:43,708 Corinne's been staying with relatives of hers 205 00:08:43,792 --> 00:08:46,333 while the squatter was evicted about a month ago. 206 00:08:46,375 --> 00:08:49,625 [clattering] 207 00:08:51,042 --> 00:08:53,167 These are people that I thought were friends. 208 00:08:53,250 --> 00:08:54,583 Bad judgment. 209 00:08:54,708 --> 00:08:57,042 And I get to pay for that for a long time. 210 00:08:57,125 --> 00:08:58,708 There's so much work to do in here. 211 00:08:58,792 --> 00:09:00,667 I'm looking at, like, another two months, probably three 212 00:09:00,750 --> 00:09:02,125 months before I can actually, like, 213 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:03,167 be safe to have my kids here. 214 00:09:07,375 --> 00:09:08,250 When my kids are home. 215 00:09:16,333 --> 00:09:19,000 CORINNE: He needs to get his kids, and I need to get mine. 216 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,958 And then once we get our kids, then we can integrate, 217 00:09:22,042 --> 00:09:24,500 and then we can all just have a happy life 218 00:09:24,625 --> 00:09:27,500 and be sober doing it. 219 00:09:27,583 --> 00:09:28,500 So that's my dream. 220 00:09:28,542 --> 00:09:30,375 And I know it's his, too. 221 00:09:30,458 --> 00:09:31,833 If I wasn't doing drugs, this-- none 222 00:09:31,917 --> 00:09:33,125 of this would have happened. 223 00:09:33,208 --> 00:09:34,875 None of this would have [bleep] happened. 224 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,750 I absolutely love my brother, and I want him to do good. 225 00:09:37,833 --> 00:09:40,292 But it's hard for me to wrap my head around where 226 00:09:40,375 --> 00:09:41,500 he is in life right now. 227 00:09:41,542 --> 00:09:44,542 [somber music] 228 00:09:44,625 --> 00:09:47,167 I'm the fourth-born of five kids. 229 00:09:47,208 --> 00:09:50,000 I've got three older brothers, one little sister. 230 00:09:50,042 --> 00:09:52,000 We grew up here in Weaverville. 231 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:53,417 Growing up, we didn't have a lot. 232 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:55,875 It was kind of payday-to-payday thing. 233 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,500 You know, the cabinets were empty. 234 00:09:57,542 --> 00:09:59,375 The water would be shut off, or the electricity 235 00:09:59,458 --> 00:10:00,500 would be shut off. 236 00:10:00,542 --> 00:10:01,292 It was hard. 237 00:10:07,875 --> 00:10:10,417 My dad was always working, logging out in the woods 238 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:11,750 or working at sawmills. 239 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:14,583 And when he was home, he was drinking or-- 240 00:10:21,125 --> 00:10:23,792 My mom was amazing, but her and my dad would fight a lot. 241 00:10:23,875 --> 00:10:27,167 And uh, she took a lot of hits for us, that's for damn sure. 242 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:29,167 My dad was always a brawler. 243 00:10:29,208 --> 00:10:31,000 Pretty aggressive. 244 00:10:31,125 --> 00:10:32,167 My dad wasn't evil. 245 00:10:32,208 --> 00:10:34,167 He was just, uh, high. 246 00:10:34,208 --> 00:10:37,000 You just kind of stayed clear of Dad when he got that way. 247 00:10:42,708 --> 00:10:44,458 Mom took care of us when we were growing up, 248 00:10:44,542 --> 00:10:45,833 working long hours. 249 00:10:45,875 --> 00:10:48,000 I always wanted to be a teacher or a counselor. 250 00:10:48,083 --> 00:10:51,000 But when I was 15 years old, I dropped out of high school 251 00:10:51,083 --> 00:10:53,542 and started logging to help pay for bills and stuff 252 00:10:53,625 --> 00:10:54,708 to keep our place. 253 00:10:54,792 --> 00:10:56,292 On the crew I was logging with, I 254 00:10:56,375 --> 00:10:57,667 think I was the only sober one. 255 00:10:57,833 --> 00:11:00,292 But everybody else was using, uh, meth pretty heavily. 256 00:11:00,375 --> 00:11:03,042 I worked there for seven years. 257 00:11:03,167 --> 00:11:05,500 When I was 23, I had gotten married. 258 00:11:05,583 --> 00:11:06,708 I'd known her for a long time. 259 00:11:06,792 --> 00:11:08,625 She was awesome, really awesome. 260 00:11:08,708 --> 00:11:10,500 We were married for, uh, two years, 261 00:11:10,542 --> 00:11:13,583 and come to find out she'd been cheating on me for a long time. 262 00:11:13,667 --> 00:11:15,500 And uh, I had no idea. 263 00:11:15,583 --> 00:11:17,167 We got divorced after that. 264 00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:18,333 It was a surprise. 265 00:11:18,375 --> 00:11:20,667 Nobody was expecting it. 266 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:23,000 I'm sure it wasn't easy on him. 267 00:11:23,042 --> 00:11:26,167 A little while after that, 2012, me and my girlfriend 268 00:11:26,208 --> 00:11:27,625 got together. 269 00:11:27,708 --> 00:11:28,792 We'd known each other since we were really young. 270 00:11:28,875 --> 00:11:30,500 We'd been together a year and one day, 271 00:11:30,583 --> 00:11:32,667 and then, uh, our son was born. 272 00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:36,333 [gentle music] 273 00:11:39,833 --> 00:11:42,417 They ended up taking off and going to Oregon, 274 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:43,833 I think, to try to do better. 275 00:11:43,875 --> 00:11:45,667 I was working at the mining claim up there, 276 00:11:45,708 --> 00:11:47,625 and uh, it was hard work. 277 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:49,500 She worked night shift. 278 00:11:49,583 --> 00:11:50,833 We were fighting at the time. 279 00:11:50,917 --> 00:11:53,250 I was working long hours, and uh, there were 280 00:11:53,375 --> 00:11:54,667 days where I could barely move. 281 00:11:54,750 --> 00:11:56,333 You don't have time to be tired. 282 00:11:56,333 --> 00:11:57,375 You don't have time to be weak. 283 00:11:57,458 --> 00:11:59,333 You have to just get your job done. 284 00:12:02,375 --> 00:12:04,500 Everybody else was using, uh, meth pretty heavily. 285 00:12:04,542 --> 00:12:07,333 In my mind, it felt like this was going to fix things for me. 286 00:12:07,417 --> 00:12:09,250 Um, I'd have more energy. 287 00:12:09,333 --> 00:12:11,167 That was the first time I tried meth. 288 00:12:11,250 --> 00:12:12,833 [ominous music] 289 00:12:12,875 --> 00:12:14,625 It was the grossest feeling I've ever felt in my life. 290 00:12:14,708 --> 00:12:17,333 It's just a gritty, ugly, nasty feeling. 291 00:12:17,458 --> 00:12:21,417 I was so ashamed of myself, but I continued to use because I 292 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:22,583 was working my ass off. 293 00:12:22,708 --> 00:12:23,792 I was burnt out. 294 00:12:23,875 --> 00:12:26,125 I felt like it would help me at work. 295 00:12:26,208 --> 00:12:29,500 But things got bad really fast, then the more excuses I made, 296 00:12:29,583 --> 00:12:31,417 the worse it got. 297 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:32,833 I got fired from my job. 298 00:12:32,917 --> 00:12:34,667 We were evicted from our house. 299 00:12:34,708 --> 00:12:36,708 There was nothing left in Oregon for us. 300 00:12:36,792 --> 00:12:38,667 She took the kids and went to Texas, 301 00:12:38,792 --> 00:12:40,875 and one day we just got a call from Joey. 302 00:12:40,958 --> 00:12:42,208 And he said, I'm coming back. 303 00:12:45,375 --> 00:12:46,708 He didn't look good. 304 00:12:46,792 --> 00:12:50,500 I was like, 140 pounds, and no money. 305 00:12:50,583 --> 00:12:52,167 I said, something's going on. 306 00:12:52,208 --> 00:12:54,500 But he kind of just pushed it off. 307 00:12:54,583 --> 00:12:56,792 I was so lost without my kids. 308 00:12:56,875 --> 00:12:58,750 Then, like, a month after that, my dad died. 309 00:13:05,917 --> 00:13:08,750 Joey and Mom were always really close. 310 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:10,750 So he took it real hard. 311 00:13:10,833 --> 00:13:13,292 Joey was devastated by his mom passing. 312 00:13:13,375 --> 00:13:17,458 He was depressed and laying in his bed for days at a time. 313 00:13:17,542 --> 00:13:22,917 Since then, he's been trapped in this dark, terrible, sad place. 314 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,333 And now with the relationship with Corinne, 315 00:13:25,417 --> 00:13:27,667 sharing addictions, and then putting themselves 316 00:13:27,708 --> 00:13:31,167 in dangerous situations, he could end up in jail or prison 317 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:34,750 or dead from just the whole paradigm 318 00:13:34,875 --> 00:13:36,458 that he's existing in right now. 319 00:13:36,542 --> 00:13:38,917 [clattering] 320 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,375 I know he wants to do good and do better 321 00:13:41,458 --> 00:13:43,250 and get his kids back, but-- 322 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:47,000 JOEY: OK. 323 00:13:47,083 --> 00:13:48,667 --nothing really ever changes with Joey, it seems like. 324 00:13:48,750 --> 00:13:51,542 [ominous music] 325 00:13:52,708 --> 00:13:54,375 He's stuck in where he's at. 326 00:13:54,458 --> 00:13:57,500 It's always the same story with getting his place cleaned 327 00:13:57,542 --> 00:13:58,833 up and ready for the kids. 328 00:13:58,917 --> 00:14:02,333 And he just keeps using, and nothing gets fixed. 329 00:14:04,875 --> 00:14:06,750 You can put on as many masks as you want to, 330 00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:08,583 but underneath it, it's still all the same truth. 331 00:14:08,708 --> 00:14:10,292 We're not helping each other get sober. 332 00:14:10,375 --> 00:14:12,542 We're sitting here spinning our wheels, and we can't stop. 333 00:14:12,625 --> 00:14:14,833 So for us, everything is at stake. 334 00:14:14,875 --> 00:14:18,500 [dramatic music] 335 00:14:24,875 --> 00:14:28,000 [gentle music] 336 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,458 [phone ringing] 337 00:14:32,708 --> 00:14:33,833 JOEY: (ON VOICEMAIL) This is Joey. 338 00:14:33,958 --> 00:14:35,458 Sorry I missed your call. 339 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:36,917 Leave a message, and I will get back to you. 340 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,167 CORINNE: Hey, Joey. 341 00:14:38,250 --> 00:14:40,083 I hope you get this and listen to it. 342 00:14:40,167 --> 00:14:44,000 I locked myself out. But that's okay, I have all my stuff. 343 00:14:44,042 --> 00:14:45,500 Let me know what's going on. 344 00:14:45,542 --> 00:14:46,667 Because yeah. 345 00:14:46,792 --> 00:14:48,375 I love you. 346 00:14:48,458 --> 00:14:50,875 My ex was calling me, and he's just been really 347 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,125 raunchy, perverted with me. 348 00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:54,417 And he said, I bought something for you. 349 00:14:54,542 --> 00:14:57,833 Well, it's for us, and we can use it if you ever come over. 350 00:14:57,875 --> 00:14:58,958 I said, I have a boyfriend. 351 00:14:59,042 --> 00:15:00,625 It makes me uncomfortable when you 352 00:15:00,708 --> 00:15:02,875 talk to me like that, especially when I'm on Bluetooth. 353 00:15:02,875 --> 00:15:05,083 And then Joey goes, why don't you just 354 00:15:05,167 --> 00:15:07,125 use whatever gift he got you? 355 00:15:07,208 --> 00:15:08,750 And then he walked off and left me, 356 00:15:08,833 --> 00:15:10,000 and he didn't even look at me. 357 00:15:13,083 --> 00:15:14,667 Can't believe he left? 358 00:15:14,708 --> 00:15:17,292 [phone rings] 359 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:20,833 When he gets to up to here, that's what happens every time. 360 00:15:20,958 --> 00:15:22,542 He gets jealous and insecure, and he 361 00:15:22,625 --> 00:15:24,833 thinks that something's going on between me and any guy, 362 00:15:24,917 --> 00:15:25,875 you know? 363 00:15:31,958 --> 00:15:35,417 [gentle music] 364 00:15:40,375 --> 00:15:41,833 JOEY: Yes, please. 365 00:15:41,958 --> 00:15:44,167 My godfather Jaime is way smarter than I am, 366 00:15:44,208 --> 00:15:46,125 and he makes way better choices than I do. 367 00:15:46,208 --> 00:15:48,833 But I'm a stubborn guy, and if I'm having a problem, 368 00:15:48,875 --> 00:15:52,042 I'd rather just hide out and-- and be alone, and he's there. 369 00:15:52,125 --> 00:15:54,667 And uh-- and I think at those times 370 00:15:54,708 --> 00:15:56,833 is when I need it the most. 371 00:15:56,917 --> 00:15:58,708 I've been a therapist for over 30 years now, 372 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:01,583 and I try really hard to step out of the therapist's role, 373 00:16:01,708 --> 00:16:05,958 but I can't help but have that as a part of me now. 374 00:16:06,042 --> 00:16:09,417 So when you picked me up, right, 375 00:16:09,542 --> 00:16:11,958 basically I was listening in to her conversation, 376 00:16:12,042 --> 00:16:14,083 and I heard her ex saying that, uh, 377 00:16:14,167 --> 00:16:16,625 he had a present that he was going to use on her, 378 00:16:16,708 --> 00:16:19,667 and um, it was like, sexually-type thing, you know? 379 00:16:19,708 --> 00:16:21,708 And uh, I just opened up the door and looked at her, 380 00:16:21,833 --> 00:16:25,250 and I turned around and grabbed my stuff and walked away. 381 00:16:25,333 --> 00:16:29,125 I know that you both really care about each other. 382 00:16:29,208 --> 00:16:30,875 But at the same time, you have to see 383 00:16:30,958 --> 00:16:34,167 that in the last few months, you guys have sort of repeatedly 384 00:16:34,292 --> 00:16:35,917 pulled each other down at different times, 385 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,667 you know, back into a cycle. 386 00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:39,292 I understand what you're saying. 387 00:16:39,375 --> 00:16:41,667 But at the same time, it's like, what if I'm healing with her? 388 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:44,250 Maybe we're not quite there yet. 389 00:16:44,333 --> 00:16:46,542 But I mean, like, I feel better when she's around. 390 00:16:46,625 --> 00:16:49,083 You love each other, and you guys have these great times, 391 00:16:49,167 --> 00:16:51,917 but then you have these horrific painful moments. 392 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,542 I mean, you were really broken last night 393 00:16:53,667 --> 00:16:55,292 from everything that happened. 394 00:16:55,375 --> 00:16:58,167 And this is part of where this relationship is so convoluted. 395 00:16:58,208 --> 00:17:00,292 You guys can be really good for each other, 396 00:17:00,375 --> 00:17:03,333 and then you can be really toxic for each other. 397 00:17:03,417 --> 00:17:04,292 True? 398 00:17:04,375 --> 00:17:05,292 Yeah. 399 00:17:05,375 --> 00:17:06,833 JAMIE: OK. 400 00:17:06,917 --> 00:17:11,875 They love each other, but can be each other's downfall. 401 00:17:11,958 --> 00:17:14,125 And so because of everything that's gone on, 402 00:17:14,208 --> 00:17:15,333 they need to be apart. 403 00:17:15,375 --> 00:17:17,167 Joey and Corinne need to be apart. 404 00:17:17,292 --> 00:17:18,875 It's probably painful to hear, but I'm 405 00:17:18,958 --> 00:17:22,625 hoping that you both spend some time focusing on yourselves. 406 00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,417 Because at the end of the day, no matter 407 00:17:24,417 --> 00:17:26,750 how much you guys care about each other, 408 00:17:26,833 --> 00:17:30,667 the drug screws everything up. 409 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:34,000 [gentle music] 410 00:17:34,083 --> 00:17:37,000 [birds chirping] 411 00:17:38,917 --> 00:17:41,333 I got this from my storage today, so we can organize-- 412 00:17:41,417 --> 00:17:42,333 OK. 413 00:17:42,417 --> 00:17:43,292 --some of it. 414 00:17:43,375 --> 00:17:45,667 So buy that one from Cabela's. 415 00:17:45,708 --> 00:17:48,792 When Joey and I fight, I stay with my uncle. 416 00:17:48,875 --> 00:17:50,000 I can feel the deep nerves. 417 00:17:50,083 --> 00:17:51,542 If you dug the thing in, you'd probably-- 418 00:17:51,625 --> 00:17:52,958 I'd probably feel it. - Deep nerves. 419 00:17:53,042 --> 00:17:54,292 So what level of the skin is that, Uncle? 420 00:17:54,375 --> 00:17:55,833 It's under all the subcutaneous. 421 00:17:55,875 --> 00:17:57,000 Mm-hmm. That's right. 422 00:17:57,083 --> 00:17:58,000 Good job. 423 00:17:58,167 --> 00:18:00,292 You win that one, Jeopardy. 424 00:18:00,375 --> 00:18:03,583 Corinne helps me with changing my bandage on my foot, uh, 425 00:18:03,708 --> 00:18:04,958 twice a day. 426 00:18:05,083 --> 00:18:07,208 It was a hunting accident, and without her, 427 00:18:07,292 --> 00:18:08,292 I would be struggling. 428 00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:13,292 Start with the fight thing, because we might as well 429 00:18:13,375 --> 00:18:14,833 just get that out of the way. 430 00:18:14,917 --> 00:18:16,167 You guys got in a fight last night? 431 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:17,583 About last night, yep. And think it's just because-- 432 00:18:19,042 --> 00:18:20,167 I called him two times, though. 433 00:18:20,208 --> 00:18:22,000 Three times. 434 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,292 He's probably ignoring me on purpose, because he wrote me 435 00:18:24,375 --> 00:18:26,167 messages that were about his feelings and stuff, 436 00:18:26,292 --> 00:18:28,000 and I ignored them. 437 00:18:28,042 --> 00:18:29,750 And I can't talk to him about it, because he won't answer. 438 00:18:34,458 --> 00:18:36,667 All these relationships, have you just, 439 00:18:36,667 --> 00:18:39,042 like, sat with your mom and one-on-one and talked to her? 440 00:18:39,125 --> 00:18:40,958 Because she's been through some bad ones, too. 441 00:18:41,042 --> 00:18:42,250 CORINNE: Right. 442 00:18:42,333 --> 00:18:43,583 I mean, and she could probably relate. 443 00:18:43,708 --> 00:18:45,125 Those-- like, if she said, I can relate, 444 00:18:45,208 --> 00:18:46,833 or like, I understand, you know, those are 445 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:48,083 good words I'd like to hear. 446 00:18:48,208 --> 00:18:49,750 Because I know you do. 447 00:18:49,833 --> 00:18:51,292 I-- I am relating right now. 448 00:18:51,292 --> 00:18:53,250 I know, but I need you-- 449 00:18:53,250 --> 00:18:54,917 never mind. 450 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,125 JENNIFER: She's starving for approval. 451 00:18:58,208 --> 00:19:00,750 Her self-esteem has been run into the dust 452 00:19:00,833 --> 00:19:01,833 because of the drugs. 453 00:19:01,958 --> 00:19:03,875 Corinne has so much potential. 454 00:19:03,958 --> 00:19:06,333 It's really hard to see her just lose 455 00:19:06,458 --> 00:19:09,667 everything because of the decisions that she's making. 456 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:12,333 Corinne was born in Weaverville, California. 457 00:19:12,375 --> 00:19:14,333 [children yelling] 458 00:19:14,417 --> 00:19:17,333 She was always bright, and she was always happy. 459 00:19:17,458 --> 00:19:20,208 My brother Cairo was born three years later. 460 00:19:20,292 --> 00:19:21,917 We would go to the swimming hole. 461 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,250 We would, you know, play board games. 462 00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:26,000 I was really close with her. 463 00:19:26,125 --> 00:19:28,417 After her brother came, when I was 24, 464 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,083 I left Corinne's father because he was 465 00:19:31,167 --> 00:19:32,417 cheating on me with a [bleep]. 466 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:36,000 My brother was five and I was eight. 467 00:19:36,083 --> 00:19:38,958 It was so hard on me and my brother. 468 00:19:39,042 --> 00:19:41,125 I was going to college, and then I 469 00:19:41,208 --> 00:19:43,167 worked at the elementary school in the morning. 470 00:19:43,208 --> 00:19:45,292 But because of the stress of everything, 471 00:19:45,375 --> 00:19:47,167 I had started drinking a lot. 472 00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:48,958 It was just hard. 473 00:19:49,042 --> 00:19:51,250 We had to sit there and watch my mom struggle with addiction. 474 00:19:51,333 --> 00:19:53,917 I would hold her hair because she was throwing up. 475 00:19:53,917 --> 00:19:55,333 I tried to be a good mother. 476 00:19:55,375 --> 00:19:57,208 But addiction is tough, you know? 477 00:19:57,292 --> 00:19:59,167 So they got themselves up. 478 00:19:59,292 --> 00:20:01,750 She did her own schoolwork. 479 00:20:01,833 --> 00:20:03,958 I loved school, because everyone at school 480 00:20:04,042 --> 00:20:05,167 was different. Teachers were different. 481 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:06,375 It was a different environment. 482 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:09,542 Corinne was very involved in everything. 483 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,083 She was also a mentor at the teen center. 484 00:20:12,167 --> 00:20:14,500 She was very interested in what you had to say. 485 00:20:14,542 --> 00:20:16,042 In fact, she would always put more 486 00:20:16,167 --> 00:20:17,417 interest in the person she's talking 487 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:19,083 to than ever in herself. 488 00:20:19,208 --> 00:20:20,167 Everything was going good. 489 00:20:20,208 --> 00:20:21,750 Corinne was doing great. 490 00:20:21,833 --> 00:20:24,792 But Weaverville is kind of a center of meth use. 491 00:20:24,875 --> 00:20:27,250 My friends mom was one of the biggest meth dealers 492 00:20:27,375 --> 00:20:29,167 in Weaverville, so my first time trying 493 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:30,292 it was with my best friend. 494 00:20:30,375 --> 00:20:31,333 And I was like, 14. 495 00:20:31,458 --> 00:20:32,833 And I said, you know what? 496 00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:33,875 I want to know what the fuss is about. 497 00:20:33,958 --> 00:20:34,875 And then I did it. 498 00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:35,917 It hurt. 499 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,958 And then I felt it. 500 00:20:37,042 --> 00:20:40,375 And I was like, oh, I get it. 501 00:20:40,458 --> 00:20:42,958 And then I think about maybe 24 hours later, 502 00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:47,333 I felt the worst feelings I've ever felt in my life. 503 00:20:47,458 --> 00:20:48,500 And I said, is this normal? 504 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,333 And she's like, yeah. 505 00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:51,500 That's how it is every time. 506 00:20:51,542 --> 00:20:53,125 I was like, how do you make it go away? 507 00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:54,417 She's like, you do more. 508 00:20:54,417 --> 00:20:56,458 But I did not get addicted that day. 509 00:20:56,542 --> 00:20:58,500 When Corinne was a teenager, she 510 00:20:58,583 --> 00:21:01,083 had been dating a boy her age. 511 00:21:01,167 --> 00:21:03,167 But then she got talking to his older 512 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:04,375 brother, who was in the Navy. 513 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:07,458 And when he came back to California, 514 00:21:07,542 --> 00:21:09,292 he started dating Corinne. 515 00:21:09,375 --> 00:21:11,125 I called the police a couple of times, 516 00:21:11,208 --> 00:21:13,917 but she was sneaking out to go see him, and-- 517 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,542 I was 14 and dumb. 518 00:21:15,625 --> 00:21:18,833 Didn't even really know him, but I thought I loved this guy. 519 00:21:18,917 --> 00:21:22,292 Her boyfriend went to Utah to get another job 520 00:21:22,375 --> 00:21:23,875 and got in a car accident. 521 00:21:23,958 --> 00:21:27,375 He was driving and hit a coyote, and went off the road 522 00:21:27,458 --> 00:21:30,958 and he broke his neck and, um, died. 523 00:21:31,042 --> 00:21:32,417 And it was devastating. 524 00:21:32,417 --> 00:21:35,083 It was devastating. 525 00:21:35,208 --> 00:21:38,000 Her boyfriend passed away before we even 526 00:21:38,083 --> 00:21:39,333 knew that Corinne was pregnant. 527 00:21:39,417 --> 00:21:41,167 She had a big choice at a very early 528 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:43,958 age to decide to have that child or not, 529 00:21:44,042 --> 00:21:45,292 which she decided to do. 530 00:21:45,375 --> 00:21:47,333 I was the only pregnant person in that school, 531 00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:50,000 and the bigger I got, the more embarrassed I got. 532 00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:54,625 I felt like a slut, and people were calling me a slut. 533 00:21:54,708 --> 00:21:58,042 What got me the most was my-- one of my favorite teachers 534 00:21:58,125 --> 00:21:59,417 said, put him up for adoption. 535 00:21:59,542 --> 00:22:01,375 You won't be able to take care of him. 536 00:22:01,458 --> 00:22:03,000 You won't go to college. 537 00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:06,000 And I just said, watch me. 538 00:22:06,083 --> 00:22:10,958 I was 16 when I had my son, so I worked really hard. 539 00:22:11,042 --> 00:22:15,500 I graduated two years early with honors, with scholarships. 540 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,375 I got accepted to Berkeley, San Luis Obispo. 541 00:22:18,375 --> 00:22:20,208 But I chose Humboldt State University, 542 00:22:20,292 --> 00:22:21,500 because I wanted to be closer to home 543 00:22:21,583 --> 00:22:23,833 and because I just liked the vibe of the place. 544 00:22:23,917 --> 00:22:27,417 I had just turned 17 when I went to college. 545 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,167 My mom watched my son because I was 546 00:22:29,208 --> 00:22:30,958 very busy at the health center, because I 547 00:22:31,042 --> 00:22:32,458 wanted to do healthcare. 548 00:22:32,542 --> 00:22:35,375 I got the medical assistant position at the healthcare 549 00:22:35,458 --> 00:22:36,583 center on campus. 550 00:22:36,708 --> 00:22:38,292 And I also had another full-time job, 551 00:22:38,375 --> 00:22:39,500 which was working at an animal foundation 552 00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:41,208 across the street from my apartment. 553 00:22:41,292 --> 00:22:43,167 And I was a full-time student as well. 554 00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:45,083 I wanted to be a nurse. 555 00:22:45,167 --> 00:22:48,917 I wanted to help people, so I got into the healthcare field. 556 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,583 I loved it. 557 00:22:50,667 --> 00:22:53,083 What happened after that was the most unfortunate thing. 558 00:22:57,667 --> 00:23:00,208 They were cutting the nursing program because of budget cuts. 559 00:23:00,292 --> 00:23:02,292 They announced that 1,000 students 560 00:23:02,375 --> 00:23:03,458 were going to be randomly selected 561 00:23:03,542 --> 00:23:05,333 to lose their work study. 562 00:23:05,417 --> 00:23:08,542 I opened my mailbox one day, and I had a red little-- 563 00:23:08,625 --> 00:23:10,208 and it said, we're sorry to inform you, 564 00:23:10,333 --> 00:23:11,333 but you have been selected. 565 00:23:11,417 --> 00:23:13,083 And from that day forward, I lost 566 00:23:13,167 --> 00:23:17,500 my job at the animal foundation, at the healthcare center. 567 00:23:17,542 --> 00:23:19,333 I couldn't pay my rent. 568 00:23:19,417 --> 00:23:22,125 I couldn't afford my books. 569 00:23:22,208 --> 00:23:24,375 And I gave up immediately. 570 00:23:24,458 --> 00:23:26,208 I didn't even drop out properly. 571 00:23:26,333 --> 00:23:28,375 I'm on academic probation still. 572 00:23:28,458 --> 00:23:32,000 She was so confident with school and college, 573 00:23:32,083 --> 00:23:35,583 and then what happened was pretty devastating for her. 574 00:23:35,667 --> 00:23:39,167 After that, she lost her self-esteem and her self-worth. 575 00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:40,417 I was in shock, you know? 576 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:43,458 And I started partying. 577 00:23:43,542 --> 00:23:45,417 Corinne fell in with the lesser crowds 578 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:49,333 around her, you know, and just started using 579 00:23:49,417 --> 00:23:51,333 and acting out of control. 580 00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:54,208 My drug of choice was methamphetamines. 581 00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:58,000 It really helps you forget and not feel. 582 00:23:58,125 --> 00:23:59,875 It sounds crazy, but I hate meth. 583 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,125 Meth took every relationship, every good one. 584 00:24:03,208 --> 00:24:05,417 And then it took my son. 585 00:24:08,167 --> 00:24:11,542 [sighs] 586 00:24:11,625 --> 00:24:13,792 Corinne's son, he got tired of everything, 587 00:24:13,875 --> 00:24:18,292 and a few years ago, he ended up calling CPS for himself. 588 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:19,542 That's how bad it got. 589 00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,417 He just couldn't take it anymore. 590 00:24:26,375 --> 00:24:28,542 My son is in Florida with my brother. 591 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:31,083 My brother is a great influence. 592 00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:33,625 I used to always think that she was someone that didn't get 593 00:24:33,708 --> 00:24:35,625 knocked down, you know, kept trying no matter 594 00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:37,500 how much was thrown at her. 595 00:24:37,542 --> 00:24:40,667 But I guess eventually something gave. 596 00:24:40,708 --> 00:24:44,917 I worked so hard, and you can lose everything so fast. 597 00:24:45,042 --> 00:24:47,083 And then you wake up after it's over, and you go, 598 00:24:47,167 --> 00:24:49,500 what the hell happened? 599 00:24:49,542 --> 00:24:50,750 That wasn't me. 600 00:24:50,875 --> 00:24:51,583 But it was. 601 00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:57,667 I think she tries very, very hard to be a good mother, 602 00:24:57,750 --> 00:25:00,708 but I really don't understand how Corinne 603 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:02,333 could have let it get this bad. 604 00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:05,083 [ominous music] 605 00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:12,917 I do normal people things, but-- 606 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,458 [dramatic music] 607 00:25:17,125 --> 00:25:19,750 [hissing] 608 00:25:36,208 --> 00:25:41,500 I use meth because I feel like I deserve to do meth. 609 00:25:46,292 --> 00:25:49,167 Like, there's lawyers and stuff, and then there's me, 610 00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:50,500 and me does meth. 611 00:25:50,583 --> 00:25:53,625 I just feel like it's just what I deserve. 612 00:25:55,583 --> 00:25:56,917 [exhales] 613 00:26:02,042 --> 00:26:05,625 [somber music] 614 00:26:08,375 --> 00:26:13,833 Trying to get a hi. 615 00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:16,583 Honestly, I feel like I got kicked in the face, right? 616 00:26:16,708 --> 00:26:18,500 Corinne's ex saying this type of stuff 617 00:26:18,583 --> 00:26:20,125 to her, that's pretty serious, you know? 618 00:26:20,208 --> 00:26:21,792 And like, I have to sit in it for a minute, 619 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:24,542 because my initial reaction, my initial instinct, is like, 620 00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,375 she just wants this to be over with. 621 00:26:26,375 --> 00:26:28,292 And when you're coming down, that's when your emotions 622 00:26:28,375 --> 00:26:29,750 are really [bleep] up. 623 00:26:29,875 --> 00:26:31,625 The only real solid ground you have is when you're using. 624 00:26:31,708 --> 00:26:33,583 I'm looking through these contacts in my phone 625 00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:35,375 and there's all these, like, wannabe dealers, 626 00:26:35,458 --> 00:26:37,417 but nobody is answering. 627 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:38,667 Lately it's been really dry. 628 00:26:38,792 --> 00:26:40,292 It's been actually pretty hard. 629 00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:41,792 Like, my go-to is gone. 630 00:26:41,875 --> 00:26:44,208 It just makes you waste your time hunting it down. 631 00:26:44,292 --> 00:26:47,208 And there's a lot of overdoses here, especially with fentanyl. 632 00:26:47,292 --> 00:26:49,583 I have a tester to see if there's fentanyl in it, 633 00:26:49,667 --> 00:26:51,667 and damn near every time there's fentanyl in it. 634 00:26:51,708 --> 00:26:53,708 [trills lips] 635 00:26:56,417 --> 00:26:58,167 Yeah. 636 00:26:58,208 --> 00:27:00,500 Yeah, it's-- it's not that easy just to turn it away, you know? 637 00:27:00,542 --> 00:27:01,417 And it's stupid. 638 00:27:01,542 --> 00:27:02,750 It's so [bleep] dumb. 639 00:27:02,833 --> 00:27:05,500 And yet you still smoke it, or you still do it. 640 00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:06,375 Joey? 641 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:07,708 [knocks] 642 00:27:09,708 --> 00:27:11,417 Because lately he's been a little bit, 643 00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:13,500 like, unsure if, like, I love him. 644 00:27:13,542 --> 00:27:14,333 Joey. 645 00:27:14,417 --> 00:27:15,167 JOEY: Hey. 646 00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:16,167 Hey. 647 00:27:16,292 --> 00:27:17,375 I come bearing gifts. 648 00:27:17,458 --> 00:27:18,917 - You want to sit down? - Yeah. 649 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,125 When it comes to, like, how I respond to something, 650 00:27:21,208 --> 00:27:22,833 I take things wrong a lot because using 651 00:27:22,917 --> 00:27:24,333 drugs messes up your intuition. 652 00:27:24,417 --> 00:27:25,875 It messes up all that stuff. 653 00:27:25,958 --> 00:27:27,625 But if I was sober and she was sober, 654 00:27:27,708 --> 00:27:29,625 it would have been resolved within minutes, instead 655 00:27:29,708 --> 00:27:31,125 of me just walking away. 656 00:27:32,375 --> 00:27:33,208 I do? 657 00:27:33,292 --> 00:27:34,542 Yeah. 658 00:27:34,625 --> 00:27:35,750 I thought it was going to be sunny today. 659 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:36,583 It's wonton soup. 660 00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:38,208 Thank you. 661 00:27:38,292 --> 00:27:38,875 CORINNE: How are you? 662 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,708 What's up? 663 00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:41,333 JOEY: I'm doing all right. 664 00:27:41,417 --> 00:27:42,292 You're lying. 665 00:27:42,375 --> 00:27:44,250 No, I'm-- I'm good. 666 00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:47,500 My trust issues with Joey is I just feel like he's always 667 00:27:47,542 --> 00:27:49,333 hiding a problem from me, and he's 668 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:54,125 never completely honest about how he feels about us. 669 00:27:54,208 --> 00:27:56,917 I'm better today than I was yesterday. 670 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,208 Oh, yeah? 671 00:27:58,292 --> 00:27:59,708 It wasn't fair of me to just walk out like that. 672 00:27:59,792 --> 00:28:01,667 I should have talked to you. 673 00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:04,917 I should have just heard you out, you know? 674 00:28:05,042 --> 00:28:07,250 You want somebody that's going to fight for you, right? 675 00:28:07,333 --> 00:28:08,250 Yes. 676 00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:09,375 Yeah, I'm-- I'm there. 677 00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:10,958 Because ultimately, it's up to you. 678 00:28:11,042 --> 00:28:13,167 Either you want to be with me or you don't, right? 679 00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:15,583 And if you do, then you're going to shut that [bleep] down. 680 00:28:15,667 --> 00:28:16,667 OK. 681 00:28:16,708 --> 00:28:18,292 I already know what I want. 682 00:28:18,417 --> 00:28:19,542 And I've already shut it down. 683 00:28:19,625 --> 00:28:20,458 Yeah. 684 00:28:20,542 --> 00:28:21,333 Yeah. 685 00:28:21,417 --> 00:28:22,500 I believe you. 686 00:28:22,542 --> 00:28:23,333 I love you. 687 00:28:23,417 --> 00:28:25,500 Come here. 688 00:28:25,625 --> 00:28:26,667 I love you. 689 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,667 But he realizes things and he apologizes about every time 690 00:28:32,792 --> 00:28:34,458 he needs to, you know? 691 00:28:34,458 --> 00:28:36,917 So it felt good for him to say that. 692 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,333 Uh, what are we going to do? 693 00:28:41,042 --> 00:28:45,208 So the plan is to go meet somebody at the gas station. 694 00:28:45,292 --> 00:28:48,750 I'm going to pay for her gas, get something. 695 00:28:48,833 --> 00:28:50,500 JOEY: One problem down, another one to go. 696 00:28:50,583 --> 00:28:53,958 [ominous music] 697 00:29:01,833 --> 00:29:03,958 If you're doing meth and other people are doing meth, 698 00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:06,375 then you just kind of find out where the meth is 699 00:29:06,458 --> 00:29:07,792 and you go there. 700 00:29:09,875 --> 00:29:12,000 Weaverville is kind of a center of meth use. 701 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:15,583 And now we're having the fentanyl problems trickling in. 702 00:29:15,667 --> 00:29:17,292 I don't think that Weaverville itself 703 00:29:17,375 --> 00:29:19,542 is a bad place, because I know that everywhere 704 00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:20,500 has drug dealers. 705 00:29:24,458 --> 00:29:26,833 There's been times where when I went out to get meth, 706 00:29:26,875 --> 00:29:29,583 it got really serious, and it got really bad. 707 00:29:29,708 --> 00:29:30,708 I was shot at. 708 00:29:30,792 --> 00:29:31,958 I've been shot before. 709 00:29:32,042 --> 00:29:34,000 I've had to shoot at other people before. 710 00:29:34,083 --> 00:29:36,000 You're used to things going a certain way. 711 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,833 But that one time gets a little sideways, and uh, next thing 712 00:29:39,875 --> 00:29:41,750 you know, you're either ruining somebody's life 713 00:29:41,833 --> 00:29:42,792 or your life is being ruined. 714 00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:44,500 [dramatic music] 715 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:50,458 CASHIER: OK. 716 00:29:50,542 --> 00:29:51,417 [beeps] 717 00:29:54,583 --> 00:29:58,667 In the chase of the drug, Joey and Corinne put themselves 718 00:29:58,750 --> 00:30:00,417 in such dangerous situations. 719 00:30:00,417 --> 00:30:01,042 JOEY: What the [bleep]? 720 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:03,250 JOEY: Damn it. 721 00:30:05,375 --> 00:30:09,000 And I fear losing Joey either to the addiction, 722 00:30:09,042 --> 00:30:11,875 or the craziness that can ensue with the lifestyle 723 00:30:11,958 --> 00:30:12,875 that they're living. 724 00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:13,917 JOEY: Thanks, dude. 725 00:30:15,542 --> 00:30:16,292 JOEY: Be careful. 726 00:30:17,583 --> 00:30:18,958 My life is complicated. 727 00:30:19,042 --> 00:30:20,875 I look like my life is OK. 728 00:30:20,958 --> 00:30:22,917 My Facebook looks OK, you know? 729 00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:32,417 And all that time could have been spent working 730 00:30:32,542 --> 00:30:33,417 towards getting him back. 731 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:34,708 [gentle music] 732 00:30:34,792 --> 00:30:38,333 [clattering] 733 00:30:40,708 --> 00:30:41,583 Yeah. 734 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:46,417 JOEY: Set up the tent? CORINNE: We probably should. 735 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:47,542 All right. Good idea. 736 00:30:47,667 --> 00:30:51,333 Corinne lives at Joey's house on and off. 737 00:30:51,375 --> 00:30:54,333 I think that they see a safe person in each other. 738 00:30:54,417 --> 00:31:00,000 Joey is really poetic and sincere, and Corinne is too. 739 00:31:00,083 --> 00:31:00,792 Oh. 740 00:31:00,875 --> 00:31:01,792 OK, ready? 741 00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:02,792 CORINNE: I think so. 742 00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:04,500 Do you want me to tie it, or no? 743 00:31:04,542 --> 00:31:05,417 JOEY: Uh, yeah, please. 744 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:06,875 OK. 745 00:31:06,958 --> 00:31:08,958 You get the blankets, I'll get the pillows, OK? 746 00:31:09,042 --> 00:31:11,625 It's like a [bleep] game. 747 00:31:11,708 --> 00:31:12,833 I already won. - No, you didn't. 748 00:31:12,875 --> 00:31:14,000 [grunts] [bleep] 749 00:31:14,042 --> 00:31:15,833 (LAUGHING) You're gonna break it. 750 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:17,917 Corinne and I do a lot of good for one another. 751 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,583 We pick each other up when we're down, 752 00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:20,958 and we're there for each other. 753 00:31:21,042 --> 00:31:21,792 Always there. 754 00:31:21,875 --> 00:31:23,375 [gentle music] 755 00:31:25,125 --> 00:31:27,875 I looked him in the eyes and I said, I love you so much. 756 00:31:27,958 --> 00:31:29,875 I think there's something special about you, 757 00:31:29,958 --> 00:31:31,292 and it's golden, and it's good. 758 00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:33,625 And I don't care if nobody else can see you. 759 00:31:33,708 --> 00:31:35,458 I don't care, you know? 760 00:31:35,542 --> 00:31:36,500 Because I see it. 761 00:31:36,583 --> 00:31:37,875 [both laughing] 762 00:31:38,958 --> 00:31:39,833 - Do it again. - One more time. 763 00:31:39,917 --> 00:31:41,375 - OK. - [sniffs] 764 00:31:41,458 --> 00:31:42,375 No, no, no. You didn't do it right. 765 00:31:46,125 --> 00:31:47,792 But I wasn't checking him out, you know? 766 00:31:47,875 --> 00:31:48,792 It just-- something was-- 767 00:31:48,875 --> 00:31:49,667 Yeah, she was. 768 00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:50,500 No. 769 00:31:50,583 --> 00:31:51,875 [laughs] 770 00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:53,167 JENNIFER: When Corinne started to see Joey, 771 00:31:53,208 --> 00:31:56,167 I had no idea what she was doing. 772 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,583 I knew that he was using meth, because it's 773 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:00,917 a small town and people talk. 774 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,042 But she hid their relationship pretty well. 775 00:32:04,167 --> 00:32:06,000 I moved back in with my mom. 776 00:32:06,083 --> 00:32:09,000 I texted him and I said, hey, are you able to come over? 777 00:32:09,042 --> 00:32:10,458 And he's like, yeah, sure. 778 00:32:10,542 --> 00:32:11,792 And I said, OK. 779 00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:12,917 Do you want to hop through the window? 780 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,875 Because it was really late at night. 781 00:32:13,958 --> 00:32:15,125 And he's like, yes. 782 00:32:15,125 --> 00:32:16,333 So he jumped in through the window. 783 00:32:16,417 --> 00:32:17,917 And that's when I knew I liked him. 784 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,167 Close the door, turn the fan on. 785 00:32:20,917 --> 00:32:23,167 And uh, um, then we started talking. 786 00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:27,042 And he's got this childlike heart, but an old soul, 787 00:32:27,167 --> 00:32:29,167 and I love that mixture. 788 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:31,667 And then he hopped out the window and left. 789 00:32:31,708 --> 00:32:33,750 It was our second official date 790 00:32:33,833 --> 00:32:35,417 that we first used together. 791 00:32:35,542 --> 00:32:37,083 I've struggled a lot with the relationship 792 00:32:37,208 --> 00:32:38,958 between Joey and Corinne. 793 00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:40,833 Corinne stayed at our house for weeks, 794 00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:44,333 and I just saw both of them sort of freezing and hibernating 795 00:32:44,417 --> 00:32:46,167 and really toxic. 796 00:32:46,208 --> 00:32:49,750 So I did make a decision that it wasn't OK for Corinne 797 00:32:49,875 --> 00:32:51,167 to stay at the house anymore. 798 00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:53,125 BRENDAN: I've seen Joey go off on Corinne. 799 00:32:53,208 --> 00:32:55,208 My personal opinion of their relationship 800 00:32:55,208 --> 00:32:57,833 is that she is under his thumb, and-- and he has 801 00:32:57,917 --> 00:32:59,167 that feeling of losing control. 802 00:32:59,250 --> 00:33:01,458 So he gets confrontational. 803 00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:07,833 And it complicates things because there's 804 00:33:07,875 --> 00:33:12,042 trust issues between the both of us, and Joey is vulnerable. 805 00:33:12,167 --> 00:33:14,667 And so I'm worried that he's going to say, 806 00:33:14,708 --> 00:33:16,792 this sucks, and bounce. 807 00:33:16,875 --> 00:33:19,667 Because he's a runner. 808 00:33:19,708 --> 00:33:22,667 They use each other as a distraction from their pain. 809 00:33:22,708 --> 00:33:25,708 And I think without the meth use, they-- they don't 810 00:33:25,792 --> 00:33:27,958 have something to hold on to. 811 00:33:29,333 --> 00:33:30,000 Yes. 812 00:33:30,083 --> 00:33:33,667 Yeah, absolutely. 813 00:33:33,833 --> 00:33:36,625 I like Joey and their relationship. 814 00:33:36,708 --> 00:33:39,083 But honestly, I don't know if Corinne would be using 815 00:33:39,167 --> 00:33:41,458 as much if it wasn't for Joey. 816 00:33:41,542 --> 00:33:44,125 She doesn't have any income, so Corinne 817 00:33:44,208 --> 00:33:45,875 wouldn't be able to afford it. 818 00:33:45,958 --> 00:33:47,958 And I don't know how Joey gets it, because he 819 00:33:48,042 --> 00:33:50,125 doesn't have a job either. 820 00:33:50,208 --> 00:33:52,750 I don't think it's good for them to be together. 821 00:33:52,833 --> 00:33:56,167 They both have so much going on, trying to get their kids 822 00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:59,833 and get their lives together and kick a habit, which 823 00:33:59,875 --> 00:34:01,583 I hope they both want to do. 824 00:34:01,708 --> 00:34:04,250 I'm looking for help, because I've tried everything already. 825 00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:06,500 I have utilized every single resource 826 00:34:06,583 --> 00:34:08,000 in this town and outside of this town 827 00:34:08,125 --> 00:34:09,375 that my insurance will cover. 828 00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:11,333 But that's actually a big fear of mine. 829 00:34:11,417 --> 00:34:15,042 I am very scared that one of us is going to get sober 830 00:34:15,125 --> 00:34:16,792 and the other is not. 831 00:34:16,875 --> 00:34:20,958 If I'm that sober one and he's not, I can't be around him. 832 00:34:20,958 --> 00:34:22,625 I can't. 833 00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:24,000 We can't do that to each other. 834 00:34:24,083 --> 00:34:25,875 We wouldn't do that to each other. 835 00:34:25,958 --> 00:34:28,167 [lighter flicks, hisses] 836 00:34:28,208 --> 00:34:31,750 CORINNE: [coughs] Your turn. 837 00:34:31,875 --> 00:34:32,667 How bad do you want it? 838 00:34:32,708 --> 00:34:33,667 Nice. 839 00:34:33,708 --> 00:34:34,750 How bad do you want it? 840 00:34:34,833 --> 00:34:35,875 Don't you burn me with that. 841 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,917 Thank you so much. 842 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,583 [hissing] 843 00:34:39,583 --> 00:34:41,958 CORINNE: My living hell is I know I'm hurting people. 844 00:34:42,042 --> 00:34:43,792 I know what to do to fix it. 845 00:34:43,875 --> 00:34:46,500 I just don't know how to start, because I feel hopeless 846 00:34:46,625 --> 00:34:49,042 and I have no control over myself. 847 00:34:49,125 --> 00:34:50,833 And that's his problem too. 848 00:34:50,917 --> 00:34:53,042 JOEY: Before, I literally had this attitude where I was 849 00:34:53,167 --> 00:34:55,250 just like, I just need my kids. 850 00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:56,875 I do believe I can get clean. 851 00:34:56,958 --> 00:34:59,208 But I had my kids before, and I'm still in this situation, 852 00:34:59,208 --> 00:35:01,583 so there's something more to it. 853 00:35:05,792 --> 00:35:07,333 [hissing] 854 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 [tense music] 855 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:18,333 ZACH: So what have we got going on here with Joey and Corinne? 856 00:35:18,458 --> 00:35:19,292 Let's see. 857 00:35:19,375 --> 00:35:21,375 Joey is 36 and Corinne is 30. 858 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:23,333 They've been dating for three years. 859 00:35:23,417 --> 00:35:27,792 Joey met Corinne while she was babysitting his kids. 860 00:35:27,875 --> 00:35:29,167 OK. 861 00:35:29,208 --> 00:35:31,250 Both use meth, an 8-ball every two days. 862 00:35:31,375 --> 00:35:32,333 OK. 863 00:35:32,375 --> 00:35:33,458 And we're talking combined between both? 864 00:35:33,542 --> 00:35:35,000 AMANDA: Combined, yes. - Gotcha. 865 00:35:35,083 --> 00:35:37,000 Joey's brothers don't speak to him. 866 00:35:37,083 --> 00:35:39,125 Corinne has an estranged relationship 867 00:35:39,208 --> 00:35:42,083 with her 26-year-old brother Cairo, who currently has 868 00:35:42,167 --> 00:35:44,208 her 15-year-old son in Florida. 869 00:35:44,292 --> 00:35:45,833 They get shame from both families, 870 00:35:45,917 --> 00:35:48,500 and we know that shame and guilt perpetuates addiction. 871 00:35:48,542 --> 00:35:49,917 ZACH: Exactly. 872 00:35:50,042 --> 00:35:51,167 You know, rather than face their demons, 873 00:35:51,208 --> 00:35:53,167 they're going to use more and more and more. 874 00:35:53,208 --> 00:35:54,917 Exactly. 875 00:35:55,042 --> 00:35:57,167 To me, it's kind of a no-brainer why they clicked up 876 00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:58,958 the way that they did, because they both had 877 00:35:59,042 --> 00:36:00,500 this upward trajectory. 878 00:36:00,542 --> 00:36:02,375 Like, they both were making a really honest effort. 879 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:04,500 They both wanted to do something different than what 880 00:36:04,542 --> 00:36:07,167 they grew up in, and ultimately landed right back in it. 881 00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:08,375 AMANDA: Yeah. 882 00:36:08,458 --> 00:36:10,500 I mean, it was the perfect pairing. 883 00:36:10,542 --> 00:36:13,292 But ultimately, it's killing them, and taking them away 884 00:36:13,375 --> 00:36:16,333 from their goals in life, which is reuniting 885 00:36:16,417 --> 00:36:17,417 their family and their kids. 886 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:19,333 That'll never happen on meth. 887 00:36:19,417 --> 00:36:22,208 Our biggest challenge with Joey and Corinne 888 00:36:22,292 --> 00:36:24,875 is they believe that they're on this trajectory 889 00:36:24,958 --> 00:36:27,875 to bring their children and unite them back as a family. 890 00:36:27,958 --> 00:36:29,125 They have it backwards. 891 00:36:29,208 --> 00:36:31,375 First you need to become sober and stable. 892 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,125 And then you can work towards getting 893 00:36:33,208 --> 00:36:34,250 things back in your life. 894 00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:35,417 The white picket fence dream. 895 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:36,500 Once I get this-- - Exactly. 896 00:36:36,542 --> 00:36:38,000 --then I'll stop using the drugs, 897 00:36:38,083 --> 00:36:39,542 and it doesn't work like that. - Man. 898 00:36:39,667 --> 00:36:41,750 That just makes me want to help even more and more and more. 899 00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:44,708 Being in a relationship with a partner who's using, 900 00:36:44,708 --> 00:36:47,375 and now you have two people using in one relationship-- 901 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,292 I mean, it's a lot like starting a fire 902 00:36:49,375 --> 00:36:51,167 and just throwing a can of diesel on it. 903 00:36:51,208 --> 00:36:52,958 It can be deadly. 904 00:36:53,083 --> 00:36:54,167 This is going to be a good case. 905 00:36:54,208 --> 00:36:55,375 There's hope here. 906 00:36:55,375 --> 00:36:56,542 AMANDA: Yeah, there's a lot of hope. 907 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,875 JAMIE: Hi. ZACH: Hi. 908 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:02,583 How are you? AMANDA: Oh, hi. 909 00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:03,375 How are you? - Good. 910 00:37:03,458 --> 00:37:04,167 I'm Jaime. - Hi, Jaime. 911 00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:05,167 Amanda Marino. 912 00:37:05,208 --> 00:37:06,333 A-- Amanda? 913 00:37:06,417 --> 00:37:07,625 - Amanda Marino. - Nice to meet you. 914 00:37:07,708 --> 00:37:09,042 - Nice to meet you. - Zach Livingston. 915 00:37:09,125 --> 00:37:10,125 - Nice to meet you. - Pleasure. 916 00:37:10,208 --> 00:37:11,417 Come on in. 917 00:37:11,542 --> 00:37:13,375 It's important to meet with loved ones, 918 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:15,792 because right now we only have so many pieces of the puzzle. 919 00:37:15,875 --> 00:37:18,042 So I need all the information I can get, 920 00:37:18,125 --> 00:37:19,625 and we're going to start with Jaime. 921 00:37:19,708 --> 00:37:21,250 Thank you for being willing to meet with us. 922 00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:23,125 JAMIE: Oh, my pleasure. - We really appreciate it. 923 00:37:23,208 --> 00:37:25,375 You know, right now with Joey, like, we-- 924 00:37:25,458 --> 00:37:28,083 we have all these pieces, but we have gaps. 925 00:37:28,167 --> 00:37:30,667 So I'm hoping that you can help us with that as best you can. 926 00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:32,417 Right. 927 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,458 I feel like Joey has been pretty honest with me about him, 928 00:37:34,542 --> 00:37:38,000 but he's very protective about Corinne. 929 00:37:38,083 --> 00:37:39,208 How often do you see Joey? 930 00:37:39,292 --> 00:37:40,500 Joey lives with me at this point. 931 00:37:40,542 --> 00:37:42,000 Oh, he lives with you right now? 932 00:37:42,042 --> 00:37:43,375 Joey moved in here a few months ago. 933 00:37:43,458 --> 00:37:46,167 He had a very close male friend that was in trouble, 934 00:37:46,292 --> 00:37:49,167 and he let him move into his home for what 935 00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:50,333 was supposed to be a few days. 936 00:37:50,417 --> 00:37:51,667 And this is your property, correct? 937 00:37:51,792 --> 00:37:52,500 JAMIE: Yes. - OK. 938 00:37:52,542 --> 00:37:53,958 Yes. 939 00:37:53,958 --> 00:37:55,208 And so Joey's been here while we went through 940 00:37:55,292 --> 00:37:57,125 this horrific eviction process. 941 00:37:57,208 --> 00:37:59,292 And so did you know when Joey was living 942 00:37:59,417 --> 00:38:01,500 there that he was using meth? 943 00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:03,833 Like, did you know, giving him this space to live in, 944 00:38:03,875 --> 00:38:05,583 that he was going to be using drugs there? 945 00:38:05,667 --> 00:38:07,167 No. 946 00:38:07,208 --> 00:38:09,375 I-- I haven't said, you have to be clean. 947 00:38:09,458 --> 00:38:11,083 Because in the original lease, that 948 00:38:11,167 --> 00:38:12,542 wasn't a piece of any of it. 949 00:38:12,542 --> 00:38:14,500 But what I have said is, you have to be functional. 950 00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:16,375 To me, it sounds real clear, like, 951 00:38:16,458 --> 00:38:18,542 what the exact parameters are going to be in the future, 952 00:38:18,625 --> 00:38:21,458 as it pertains to leasing him a property and things like that. 953 00:38:21,542 --> 00:38:24,083 But if he's living here now, what 954 00:38:24,167 --> 00:38:25,625 are the current parameters? 955 00:38:25,708 --> 00:38:29,958 The parameters here are, he's not under the influence here. 956 00:38:30,042 --> 00:38:32,042 If he uses here or brings it on the property, 957 00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:33,167 he's not staying here anymore. 958 00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:34,917 But he is using daily, though. 959 00:38:35,042 --> 00:38:37,667 The two of them are using close to an 8-ball a day of meth. 960 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:41,083 And he's able to appear clean, so-- 961 00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:42,125 OK. 962 00:38:42,208 --> 00:38:43,167 Where's the line, though? 963 00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:44,625 We know he's using regularly-- 964 00:38:44,708 --> 00:38:45,375 JAMIE: Right. 965 00:38:45,458 --> 00:38:46,583 --throughout the week. 966 00:38:46,667 --> 00:38:49,000 So we know him coming here, he may 967 00:38:49,042 --> 00:38:52,083 not be high while he's here, but he was high shortly before. 968 00:38:52,208 --> 00:38:54,667 I wonder if Joey's just really crafty and really manipulative. 969 00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:56,417 It sounds like Joey's really crafty. 970 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,417 Because I can't-- it's hard for me to believe that 971 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,417 he's been here this long, and that 972 00:39:00,417 --> 00:39:02,208 him and Corinne weren't using. 973 00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:03,625 Like, that's hard for me to believe. 974 00:39:03,708 --> 00:39:05,958 It's also very hard for me to understand and believe 975 00:39:06,042 --> 00:39:08,750 how he would be using the frequency and the quantities 976 00:39:08,833 --> 00:39:11,167 that he is currently, and still coming here. 977 00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:15,167 I'm not happy about him using elsewhere and still coming 978 00:39:15,208 --> 00:39:16,667 back here, on some levels. 979 00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:20,583 But if he can come in and appear clean to me, a trained-- 980 00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:22,167 I mean, I am a trained professional-- 981 00:39:22,208 --> 00:39:23,500 AMANDA: Right. 982 00:39:23,542 --> 00:39:26,333 --then I'm going to sort of tolerate that. 983 00:39:26,417 --> 00:39:28,333 ZACH: Any and all enabling behavior 984 00:39:28,458 --> 00:39:29,667 provides a soft landing. 985 00:39:29,708 --> 00:39:32,167 All that does is allow the addict to have 986 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:33,333 a deeper and deeper bottom. 987 00:39:33,458 --> 00:39:35,125 A lot of this on the intervention 988 00:39:35,208 --> 00:39:38,250 is a lot of education so that there are no open doors 989 00:39:38,375 --> 00:39:40,417 to go through, so that they can demand a change, 990 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,000 and demand change now. 991 00:39:42,083 --> 00:39:44,958 AMANDA: I can tell you have a heart of gold, 992 00:39:45,042 --> 00:39:47,667 but I question if some of the things that you're doing 993 00:39:47,708 --> 00:39:49,833 are actually keeping him able to do all the things. 994 00:39:49,875 --> 00:39:51,375 JAMIE: Agreed. 995 00:39:51,458 --> 00:39:52,625 Because right now, why would he need to stop? 996 00:39:52,708 --> 00:39:54,083 He has the emotional support. 997 00:39:54,208 --> 00:39:55,667 He's fed, he's loved. 998 00:39:55,708 --> 00:39:57,958 He has this beautiful place to stay. 999 00:39:58,042 --> 00:40:01,083 So he doesn't have a reason right now to stop. 1000 00:40:01,167 --> 00:40:04,792 I think the intervention is effective for certain folk, 1001 00:40:04,875 --> 00:40:07,083 and I think it's not effective for other folk. 1002 00:40:07,167 --> 00:40:10,208 So I don't know that we're going to agree on everything 1003 00:40:10,333 --> 00:40:11,708 at the end of the day. 1004 00:40:11,833 --> 00:40:14,500 For Joey to get better, I'm going to need Jamie to stop 1005 00:40:14,542 --> 00:40:16,292 providing soft landings. 1006 00:40:16,375 --> 00:40:19,667 It's time to let Joey be a man and handle any consequences 1007 00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:21,792 that come from his decision. 1008 00:40:21,875 --> 00:40:26,125 That house has to go if we want him to do something different. 1009 00:40:26,208 --> 00:40:28,375 [lighter flicks, hisses] 1010 00:40:28,375 --> 00:40:30,000 Because right now, that's his safe haven. 1011 00:40:33,375 --> 00:40:36,792 [somber music] 1012 00:40:41,458 --> 00:40:43,000 CORINNE: I do say that a lot out loud. 1013 00:40:43,042 --> 00:40:44,333 I'm like, home sweet home. 1014 00:40:44,458 --> 00:40:45,167 JOEY: Yeah, I know. 1015 00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:45,917 It's sad. 1016 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,083 [creaking, rattling] 1017 00:40:54,542 --> 00:40:56,833 The storage unit is, uh-- 1018 00:40:56,875 --> 00:40:59,167 it's more than just a place that I used. 1019 00:40:59,292 --> 00:41:00,375 I lived in there, sometimes. 1020 00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:02,458 I shot up in there. 1021 00:41:02,542 --> 00:41:04,500 I've brought those scary drug dealers 1022 00:41:04,625 --> 00:41:10,333 in there to help me shoot up when I couldn't find a vein. 1023 00:41:10,375 --> 00:41:12,750 Everything I own is in that storage unit. 1024 00:41:12,833 --> 00:41:14,458 In a perfect world, I would love to put 1025 00:41:14,542 --> 00:41:16,667 it out of here and into a home. 1026 00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:18,500 I mean, obviously I don't have furniture 1027 00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:20,375 because I got rid of it all, because it didn't 1028 00:41:20,458 --> 00:41:22,042 make sense to have it anymore. 1029 00:41:22,125 --> 00:41:24,042 JOEY: It makes me feel sad every time I'm here because it's 1030 00:41:24,125 --> 00:41:25,667 a constant reminder, you know, that she 1031 00:41:25,708 --> 00:41:27,167 had to go through something like this on her own. 1032 00:41:27,208 --> 00:41:29,458 And every time she comes here, she acts different. 1033 00:41:29,542 --> 00:41:31,583 Like, you can tell this is deep to her, you know? 1034 00:41:31,667 --> 00:41:33,458 But I hope to change it. 1035 00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:37,792 [groans] There are lots of memories in there that I 1036 00:41:37,875 --> 00:41:39,333 choose not to look at, really. 1037 00:41:39,458 --> 00:41:40,792 Hey, my laundry detergent's in here. 1038 00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:42,333 That's cool. 1039 00:41:42,417 --> 00:41:43,500 I was wondering why you put that in there. 1040 00:41:43,542 --> 00:41:44,667 How come you put your stuff in here? 1041 00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:46,167 I actually wanted to ask you that. 1042 00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:47,458 Because I trust you. 1043 00:41:47,458 --> 00:41:49,958 I know it's going to stay safe in here. 1044 00:41:50,042 --> 00:41:50,708 Aw. 1045 00:41:50,833 --> 00:41:51,667 Seriously, thank you. 1046 00:41:51,792 --> 00:41:53,167 That's your mom's stuff. 1047 00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:55,333 She's even got some of my mom's stuff in there, 1048 00:41:55,417 --> 00:41:57,625 and that she's held for me. 1049 00:41:57,708 --> 00:41:58,875 CORINNE: That's your mom, huh? 1050 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,333 Yeah, that's my mom. 1051 00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:01,333 Aw. 1052 00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:03,333 JOEY: She's so awesome. 1053 00:42:03,375 --> 00:42:05,333 Me and my mom were really, really close. 1054 00:42:05,417 --> 00:42:07,208 I spent a lot of time with my mom, 1055 00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:08,750 and uh, she never judged me. 1056 00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:13,083 She would just hug me, and I would know-- 1057 00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:14,750 I would know things were going to be OK. 1058 00:42:18,542 --> 00:42:19,750 My mom died two months ago. 1059 00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:27,542 Um, I go back through my phone and I read the texts from her, 1060 00:42:27,625 --> 00:42:30,667 you know, just asking me to come over for dinner. 1061 00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:33,375 All that time wasted on getting high, 1062 00:42:33,458 --> 00:42:34,625 I could've spent it with her. 1063 00:42:37,417 --> 00:42:39,292 Yeah. 1064 00:42:39,375 --> 00:42:42,042 Miss her. 1065 00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:42,833 CORINNE: Are you OK? 1066 00:42:42,917 --> 00:42:44,500 Yeah, I'm good. 1067 00:42:44,583 --> 00:42:47,792 About living with Joey, I don't care where we live. 1068 00:42:47,875 --> 00:42:50,625 I just hope that we're together and living together someday 1069 00:42:50,708 --> 00:42:56,667 soon, healthy, sober, and in the whatever future, 1070 00:42:56,792 --> 00:42:59,500 with our children in our lives. 1071 00:42:59,542 --> 00:43:01,625 That's literally my goal. 1072 00:43:01,708 --> 00:43:06,417 And it's a reasonably good goal. 1073 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,792 [creaking, rattling] 1074 00:43:11,875 --> 00:43:13,792 [inhaling] 1075 00:43:31,417 --> 00:43:32,208 JOEY: I love you. 1076 00:43:32,208 --> 00:43:32,667 CORINNE: I love you. 1077 00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:33,458 This is so pretty. 1078 00:43:33,667 --> 00:43:35,833 Joey is 36 and Corinne is 30. 1079 00:43:35,917 --> 00:43:38,833 They've been using about an 8-ball of meth a day. 1080 00:43:38,917 --> 00:43:40,333 They believe that they're functional. 1081 00:43:40,417 --> 00:43:41,708 [groans] 1082 00:43:41,792 --> 00:43:43,708 They're also delusional that they're 1083 00:43:43,792 --> 00:43:45,667 on this trajectory to bring their children 1084 00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:48,208 and unite them back as a family. 1085 00:43:48,292 --> 00:43:51,375 Being in a relationship with a partner who's also using, 1086 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,000 it's a lot like starting a fire and just 1087 00:43:53,083 --> 00:43:55,417 throwing a can of diesel on it. 1088 00:43:55,417 --> 00:43:56,250 It can be deadly. 1089 00:44:00,667 --> 00:44:04,000 [tense music] 1090 00:44:05,875 --> 00:44:07,167 Thank you so much for taking the time to meet with me today, 1091 00:44:07,292 --> 00:44:08,958 and for participating in this. 1092 00:44:08,958 --> 00:44:10,792 I'm meeting with Corinne's mother 1093 00:44:10,875 --> 00:44:13,500 Jennifer today to understand what she's been through, 1094 00:44:13,583 --> 00:44:15,000 what her relationship is like today, 1095 00:44:15,042 --> 00:44:16,750 and how it's been over the past few years 1096 00:44:16,875 --> 00:44:18,750 with Corinne, as the one that gets all 1097 00:44:18,833 --> 00:44:20,708 the blame from her daughter. 1098 00:44:20,833 --> 00:44:21,833 How are you doing? 1099 00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:23,833 JENNIFER: Um, I'm doing OK. 1100 00:44:23,875 --> 00:44:24,875 OK. 1101 00:44:24,958 --> 00:44:26,958 So oftentimes, a lot of these things, 1102 00:44:27,042 --> 00:44:29,333 you know, addiction, mental health, trauma, 1103 00:44:29,375 --> 00:44:30,833 they're generational, right? 1104 00:44:30,917 --> 00:44:32,000 Mm-hmm. 1105 00:44:32,083 --> 00:44:33,875 Um, were you ever addicted to substances? 1106 00:44:33,958 --> 00:44:37,500 I was never really addicted to anything until I was 26. 1107 00:44:37,583 --> 00:44:39,000 I started drinking. 1108 00:44:39,083 --> 00:44:41,750 So do you drink today, or are you sober today? 1109 00:44:41,875 --> 00:44:43,208 Um, no, I don't drink. 1110 00:44:43,333 --> 00:44:44,458 OK. 1111 00:44:44,542 --> 00:44:47,167 Has Corinne ever blamed you for being 1112 00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:48,542 on the path that she's on? 1113 00:44:48,625 --> 00:44:51,042 She has blamed me for pretty much everything. 1114 00:44:51,125 --> 00:44:53,792 What does she specifically blame you for? 1115 00:44:53,875 --> 00:44:55,917 Her being fatherless. 1116 00:44:55,917 --> 00:44:58,958 Um, a string of bad boyfriends, and the abuse 1117 00:44:59,042 --> 00:45:01,833 that she suffered from them. 1118 00:45:01,917 --> 00:45:04,042 My mom had a boyfriend of five years in her-- 1119 00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:08,500 at her apartment, and uh, he would babysit us while she was 1120 00:45:08,583 --> 00:45:10,167 off at college or something. 1121 00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:13,000 And he would lock us in the closet all day. 1122 00:45:13,083 --> 00:45:17,250 And he never hurt me, but he-- he 1123 00:45:17,375 --> 00:45:19,292 beat my five-year-old brother. 1124 00:45:19,375 --> 00:45:21,000 Beat him. 1125 00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:23,000 One time he made him lay on the ground, 1126 00:45:23,042 --> 00:45:24,917 and he threw a dictionary on his back. 1127 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,333 I-- I remember that day very-- he made me watch. 1128 00:45:27,375 --> 00:45:31,958 He said, stand here, and he threw it on my brother's back. 1129 00:45:32,042 --> 00:45:33,333 And I thought he killed my brother, 1130 00:45:33,375 --> 00:45:35,208 because my brother went-- because he was in shock, 1131 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:36,250 you know? 1132 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:37,458 And I started to cry. 1133 00:45:37,542 --> 00:45:39,875 And he said, don't be a [bleep] like your brother. 1134 00:45:39,958 --> 00:45:43,167 JENNIFER: I am pretty naive, and I miss a lot of things. 1135 00:45:43,333 --> 00:45:46,792 Like, I always try and think of everybody as good, 1136 00:45:46,875 --> 00:45:51,208 and so I really don't see a lot of bad. 1137 00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:53,500 I realized that he was abusing my mom, too. 1138 00:45:53,542 --> 00:45:56,458 He used to throw her in our room and lock her in there with us, 1139 00:45:56,542 --> 00:45:58,167 say, be with your [bleep] kids. 1140 00:45:58,292 --> 00:46:01,417 It's kind of hard for me to think 1141 00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:03,000 of the world as a bad place. 1142 00:46:03,083 --> 00:46:06,875 It's not good for my, um, mental health 1143 00:46:06,958 --> 00:46:09,417 to look for the bad in people. 1144 00:46:09,542 --> 00:46:12,042 CORINNE: I know she knew about the abuse that was happening, 1145 00:46:12,125 --> 00:46:13,417 but she didn't do anything about it 1146 00:46:13,542 --> 00:46:16,500 to protect us, because she knew that that was not OK. 1147 00:46:16,625 --> 00:46:18,500 And that's when I realized my mom 1148 00:46:18,583 --> 00:46:20,583 was selfish and absent, physically 1149 00:46:20,667 --> 00:46:22,042 and emotionally and mentally. 1150 00:46:22,125 --> 00:46:24,500 She definitely has been through quite a bit. 1151 00:46:24,542 --> 00:46:25,917 However, it does come a point where 1152 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,292 you have to take some ownership and say, OK, I 1153 00:46:28,375 --> 00:46:30,000 don't want to do this to myself anymore 1154 00:46:30,083 --> 00:46:31,292 because of what happened to me. 1155 00:46:31,375 --> 00:46:33,167 But a big part, I know, for individuals 1156 00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:35,833 with trauma is-- is having, like, people 1157 00:46:35,917 --> 00:46:37,208 acknowledge what's happened to us. 1158 00:46:37,292 --> 00:46:38,458 Just-- 1159 00:46:38,542 --> 00:46:40,083 I'm OK with being accountable for my actions. 1160 00:46:40,167 --> 00:46:41,417 OK. 1161 00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:43,125 And that's not saying that everything's your fault 1162 00:46:43,208 --> 00:46:45,000 or anything along those lines. 1163 00:46:45,042 --> 00:46:47,417 But if in her mind she can get some ownership from you, 1164 00:46:47,542 --> 00:46:49,958 like, I acknowledge that and I'm sorry for that, like, 1165 00:46:50,042 --> 00:46:51,375 that can go a really long way for someone 1166 00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:53,167 who's stuck in a vicious cycle. 1167 00:46:53,167 --> 00:46:55,125 I think that that could help her to seek the help she needs. 1168 00:46:55,208 --> 00:46:57,250 And then she can unravel everything 1169 00:46:57,333 --> 00:47:00,500 and realize, OK, well, my mom went through trauma, too. 1170 00:47:00,625 --> 00:47:02,167 My mom is a survivor. 1171 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:05,083 You know, and can see you as a beacon of hope, you know? 1172 00:47:05,167 --> 00:47:07,500 Um, what do you think about Corinne 1173 00:47:07,542 --> 00:47:09,500 and Joey's relationship? 1174 00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:12,292 Um, I do like Joey. 1175 00:47:12,375 --> 00:47:16,375 And I think that if he got clean and they both got jobs, 1176 00:47:16,458 --> 00:47:18,208 they would be good together. 1177 00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:20,458 That's, like, all backwards, right? 1178 00:47:20,542 --> 00:47:23,542 You hate meth, but you know that your daughter does meth 1179 00:47:23,625 --> 00:47:25,625 with Joey, but you still like him. 1180 00:47:25,708 --> 00:47:28,958 He's caring for her, and he-- 1181 00:47:29,042 --> 00:47:31,667 he alerts me when she's doing real bad. 1182 00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:33,375 And um, yeah. 1183 00:47:33,458 --> 00:47:38,208 I don't have to approve of the meth to like somebody. 1184 00:47:38,292 --> 00:47:40,042 They're showing care for each other, 1185 00:47:40,042 --> 00:47:41,625 but yet they're continually, you know, 1186 00:47:41,708 --> 00:47:43,000 engaging in each other's addiction, 1187 00:47:43,083 --> 00:47:44,583 which is actually harming one another 1188 00:47:44,667 --> 00:47:46,167 and killing one another. 1189 00:47:46,208 --> 00:47:48,167 Doesn't mean that either one of them are bad people. 1190 00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:49,417 Mm-hmm. 1191 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:52,083 So I really appreciate you being open and being 1192 00:47:52,167 --> 00:47:55,167 willing to take some ownership, and for the healing 1193 00:47:55,208 --> 00:47:56,958 that you've done on yourself, because this 1194 00:47:57,042 --> 00:47:58,542 doesn't sound like it's been an easy journey 1195 00:47:58,667 --> 00:47:59,583 for you or for Corinne. 1196 00:47:59,667 --> 00:48:01,000 No. 1197 00:48:01,042 --> 00:48:02,458 I learned from Jennifer that she 1198 00:48:02,542 --> 00:48:04,583 has been through her own version of hell, 1199 00:48:04,667 --> 00:48:06,583 but she was willing to take some accountability. 1200 00:48:06,667 --> 00:48:09,042 But she's still willing to step up for her daughter 1201 00:48:09,125 --> 00:48:11,208 to get the help that she needs and take some ownership 1202 00:48:11,208 --> 00:48:13,458 for her part, which I think is extremely important, 1203 00:48:13,542 --> 00:48:15,500 because Corinne will continue to blame her mother 1204 00:48:15,583 --> 00:48:19,000 and continue to have that as a great valid excuse on why not 1205 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,250 to get better or accept help. 1206 00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,125 It's time for her to take care of herself. 1207 00:48:22,208 --> 00:48:24,333 Yeah. 1208 00:48:24,417 --> 00:48:27,542 [gentle music] 1209 00:48:28,708 --> 00:48:32,125 [gravel crunching] 1210 00:48:41,458 --> 00:48:44,000 Hardly anybody knows that I come up here. 1211 00:48:44,125 --> 00:48:47,208 This is freedom up here. 1212 00:48:47,333 --> 00:48:48,667 I'm closer to the heavens, you know? 1213 00:48:48,708 --> 00:48:51,042 I'm closer to my mom. 1214 00:48:51,125 --> 00:48:53,208 When I'm up here, I can feel her all the time. 1215 00:48:53,292 --> 00:48:54,708 For a long time, I didn't want to share this place. 1216 00:48:54,792 --> 00:48:56,250 Like, I kept it a secret. 1217 00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,708 And sharing it with Corinne, that means a lot. 1218 00:48:58,792 --> 00:48:59,667 Want to sit down? 1219 00:48:59,708 --> 00:49:01,458 Yeah. 1220 00:49:01,542 --> 00:49:02,833 It's OK if I get dirty. 1221 00:49:02,875 --> 00:49:04,333 - It's OK if I-- - Criss-cross applesauce. 1222 00:49:04,417 --> 00:49:06,583 Oh, you've got your little leg hanging out, don't you? 1223 00:49:06,667 --> 00:49:10,042 [lighter flicks, hisses] 1224 00:49:13,167 --> 00:49:14,500 You have to hit it so many damn times. 1225 00:49:14,583 --> 00:49:15,500 I'm sorry, Joey. 1226 00:49:15,625 --> 00:49:16,500 JOEY: No, you're good. 1227 00:49:16,542 --> 00:49:19,333 [lighter flicks, hisses] 1228 00:49:20,708 --> 00:49:22,208 [somber music] 1229 00:49:22,292 --> 00:49:24,333 My addiction is pretty intense, especially 1230 00:49:24,417 --> 00:49:27,667 when I have to think about other things like my mom or my kids. 1231 00:49:27,708 --> 00:49:31,417 The question is, is how much do I feel like a failure? 1232 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:34,042 Because that's pretty much how intense my drug addiction is. 1233 00:49:34,125 --> 00:49:38,833 And um, I feel like a failure all the time, so I 1234 00:49:38,917 --> 00:49:40,333 want to be high all the time. 1235 00:49:40,417 --> 00:49:42,833 And I know that Corinne feels the same way. 1236 00:49:42,917 --> 00:49:44,208 Do you like anything about it? 1237 00:49:44,292 --> 00:49:46,500 It helps distract, I guess. 1238 00:49:46,542 --> 00:49:50,083 Like, um-- when you're, like, really sad 1239 00:49:50,167 --> 00:49:51,667 or, like, when you're hurting, you know? 1240 00:49:51,708 --> 00:49:53,333 CORINNE: Yeah. 1241 00:49:53,417 --> 00:49:55,375 Inaction is my biggest fault. Knowing what I need to do, 1242 00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:57,292 but not doing it. 1243 00:49:57,375 --> 00:49:59,167 [hissing] 1244 00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:02,500 And I haven't put my kids first, and that's hard to deal with. 1245 00:50:02,583 --> 00:50:04,708 So when it gets too real, then you do what 1246 00:50:04,792 --> 00:50:06,583 you got to do to numb yourself. 1247 00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:08,125 [hissing] 1248 00:50:08,208 --> 00:50:09,583 You know, I asked that question to you, 1249 00:50:09,667 --> 00:50:12,833 and I'm trying to think if I like anything about it, but-- 1250 00:50:12,917 --> 00:50:14,208 because I don't like hiding. 1251 00:50:14,208 --> 00:50:16,167 I don't like lying about it. 1252 00:50:16,208 --> 00:50:18,208 I feel so bad about myself that I 1253 00:50:18,208 --> 00:50:20,833 feel like I deserve this, especially when I 1254 00:50:20,875 --> 00:50:22,750 feel like nobody wants me. 1255 00:50:22,833 --> 00:50:23,958 But you know people want you. 1256 00:50:24,042 --> 00:50:25,208 Really? 1257 00:50:25,292 --> 00:50:26,500 Really. 1258 00:50:26,583 --> 00:50:27,833 I know it seems like it doesn't make sense. 1259 00:50:27,875 --> 00:50:30,167 [sighs] Because the things that we do, 1260 00:50:30,292 --> 00:50:31,875 they're toxic and not good for us. 1261 00:50:31,875 --> 00:50:34,167 But he helps me a lot. 1262 00:50:34,292 --> 00:50:36,625 But he did cheat on me once. 1263 00:50:36,708 --> 00:50:39,667 [dramatic music] 1264 00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:42,542 It hurts really bad. 1265 00:50:42,542 --> 00:50:44,333 I kind of feel a little low about myself. 1266 00:50:44,417 --> 00:50:47,167 But I don't think that just because someone is hurting 1267 00:50:47,250 --> 00:50:48,542 and they cheat on someone, doesn't 1268 00:50:48,625 --> 00:50:49,625 mean they don't love them. 1269 00:50:49,708 --> 00:50:52,250 But he won't admit it. 1270 00:50:52,333 --> 00:50:54,583 I ask myself, do I want to confront him right now, 1271 00:50:54,708 --> 00:50:56,333 or do I want to wait? 1272 00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:57,583 Because I really want him to get better more than 1273 00:50:57,708 --> 00:50:59,333 I want to be mad at him. 1274 00:50:59,417 --> 00:51:02,208 He needs this sobriety so bad, and I love him so much. 1275 00:51:02,292 --> 00:51:02,667 But-- 1276 00:51:19,042 --> 00:51:22,375 [gentle music] 1277 00:51:22,375 --> 00:51:23,417 AMANDA: Today we're here for the pre-intervention for Corinne 1278 00:51:23,708 --> 00:51:26,000 and Joey, and we're bringing both families together 1279 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,417 to create a united front. 1280 00:51:28,542 --> 00:51:31,333 Ultimately, what we want to do is just get everybody in line 1281 00:51:31,417 --> 00:51:33,167 so we can all carry the same messaging. 1282 00:51:33,292 --> 00:51:35,708 Tomorrow is not a bad day. 1283 00:51:35,875 --> 00:51:38,333 Like, even when they come in, like, it should be all smiles. 1284 00:51:38,375 --> 00:51:40,042 Like, this is a good thing. 1285 00:51:40,125 --> 00:51:41,500 Like, this is a day of hope. 1286 00:51:41,583 --> 00:51:43,167 AMANDA: The greatest act of love is to show up 1287 00:51:43,292 --> 00:51:45,500 for your loved one in this way. 1288 00:51:45,542 --> 00:51:46,792 It's a lot. 1289 00:51:46,875 --> 00:51:48,458 I mean, this is, like-- it's nerve-racking, kind of, 1290 00:51:48,542 --> 00:51:49,500 you know? 1291 00:51:49,583 --> 00:51:51,583 All this going on, and we all hope 1292 00:51:51,667 --> 00:51:54,667 for it to pan out and Joey to finally clean up, 1293 00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:56,000 and Corinne too. 1294 00:51:56,083 --> 00:51:57,917 But we want the best for both of them, 1295 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,917 and we really hope this works. 1296 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,458 I miss Joey. I mean, we all do. 1297 00:52:01,542 --> 00:52:02,333 Yeah. 1298 00:52:02,458 --> 00:52:03,833 What-- what he was, you know? 1299 00:52:03,917 --> 00:52:05,333 Mm-hmm. 1300 00:52:05,375 --> 00:52:08,333 He-- he was a great guy. 1301 00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:10,792 Who knew that-- that living a life of such chaos 1302 00:52:10,875 --> 00:52:12,500 is your comfort zone, you know? 1303 00:52:12,542 --> 00:52:14,000 Like, all of this, what we have, 1304 00:52:14,083 --> 00:52:15,708 essentially, is like this perfect storm. 1305 00:52:15,792 --> 00:52:18,833 Even within the relationship that they have with each other. 1306 00:52:18,917 --> 00:52:20,667 They have very similar backstories. 1307 00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:22,458 Yeah. 1308 00:52:22,542 --> 00:52:24,667 When we learned about, um, both Corinne and Joey, it was, 1309 00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:27,333 you know-- it touched my heart to see that both of them 1310 00:52:27,458 --> 00:52:29,875 had been through, you know, such severe trauma. 1311 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,000 And both set out to have different lives for themselves, 1312 00:52:33,042 --> 00:52:35,750 and then both had certain situations that took them away 1313 00:52:35,833 --> 00:52:37,833 from that, and they ended up in the exact spot 1314 00:52:37,875 --> 00:52:39,708 they said they'd never be. 1315 00:52:39,792 --> 00:52:41,375 How are you doing, Jennifer? 1316 00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:44,000 I'm really grateful that you guys are willing to help her. 1317 00:52:44,083 --> 00:52:46,417 Corinne needs to stop hating herself, 1318 00:52:46,542 --> 00:52:50,625 and get over and accept and take accountability for the things 1319 00:52:50,708 --> 00:52:53,500 that she's done that make her hate herself. 1320 00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:55,083 Do you think that starts with tomorrow, 1321 00:52:55,167 --> 00:52:57,625 by her accepting treatment? 1322 00:52:57,708 --> 00:52:59,042 Yes. 1323 00:52:59,167 --> 00:53:01,458 And I think she's already tried to start 1324 00:53:01,542 --> 00:53:05,208 to heal from the trauma that I caused, but-- 1325 00:53:05,292 --> 00:53:06,667 You know, you didn't do the trauma. 1326 00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:09,500 But-- well, the drinking was what I meant. 1327 00:53:09,583 --> 00:53:10,667 Yeah. 1328 00:53:10,708 --> 00:53:11,833 Apologizing for that, I think, is going 1329 00:53:11,917 --> 00:53:13,625 to go a long way with her. 1330 00:53:13,708 --> 00:53:15,667 ZACH: Jamie, we got to talk about the house stuff, man. 1331 00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:17,417 Where's your-- where's your head at right 1332 00:53:17,542 --> 00:53:19,500 now, as far as Joey's living? 1333 00:53:19,583 --> 00:53:24,542 Joey knows that he-- he still has a chance to gain the house, 1334 00:53:24,625 --> 00:53:28,000 but he doesn't even get the opportunity to regain the house 1335 00:53:28,042 --> 00:53:29,833 until he's employed and-- 1336 00:53:29,917 --> 00:53:33,542 and able to pay the utilities and-- and the bills. 1337 00:53:33,667 --> 00:53:36,333 We got landlord hat and we got dad hat. 1338 00:53:36,458 --> 00:53:38,375 I want you to take the landlord hat 1339 00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,250 and throw it away for, like, six months. 1340 00:53:41,333 --> 00:53:42,833 AMANDA: To a year. 1341 00:53:42,875 --> 00:53:45,792 Zach and I are hoping to establish some more clear 1342 00:53:45,875 --> 00:53:48,000 boundaries that help Joey get the help that he 1343 00:53:48,083 --> 00:53:49,708 needs, to have the ultimate goal of having 1344 00:53:49,792 --> 00:53:51,042 his kids back in his life. 1345 00:53:51,125 --> 00:53:53,083 Besides just saying, well, if you hold a job, 1346 00:53:53,083 --> 00:53:54,750 you can have the house. 1347 00:53:54,833 --> 00:53:59,167 What I would love to see you do is commit to requiring him 1348 00:53:59,208 --> 00:54:03,083 to not only complete a 90-day program tomorrow, 1349 00:54:03,167 --> 00:54:06,875 but also to adhere to every aftercare recommendation that 1350 00:54:06,958 --> 00:54:08,042 that treatment center gives. 1351 00:54:08,167 --> 00:54:09,958 Are we in agreement with that? 1352 00:54:10,042 --> 00:54:13,167 This is where we probably waffle a bit, because I 1353 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:15,250 feel like I want Joey to accept what 1354 00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:16,833 he thinks is going to help him. 1355 00:54:16,875 --> 00:54:21,375 I probably would refuse to be more directive and say, 1356 00:54:21,458 --> 00:54:22,833 you have to accept this program. 1357 00:54:22,917 --> 00:54:24,542 Um-- 1358 00:54:24,625 --> 00:54:25,917 What other-- what other program do you think he has? 1359 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,208 AMANDA: We need you to be exactly on board with what 1360 00:54:29,292 --> 00:54:30,833 our messaging is and support that, 1361 00:54:30,875 --> 00:54:33,042 or we're not going to be able to be successful. 1362 00:54:33,167 --> 00:54:34,875 These are the two programs that have been 1363 00:54:34,958 --> 00:54:35,958 chosen for them specifically-- 1364 00:54:36,042 --> 00:54:37,167 JAMIE: Right. 1365 00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:38,417 --in different places in the country. 1366 00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:39,417 I don't know that. 1367 00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:40,083 You guys know that. 1368 00:54:40,208 --> 00:54:41,958 I don't know that. 1369 00:54:42,042 --> 00:54:45,125 What I would suggest is because it terrifies him, 1370 00:54:45,208 --> 00:54:47,750 if we present multiple options, he's 1371 00:54:47,833 --> 00:54:50,000 going to take the one that's the least fearful. 1372 00:54:50,042 --> 00:54:52,000 If he's not scared and he's not 1373 00:54:52,083 --> 00:54:55,000 going to have to suffer a little bit, then what's the purpose? 1374 00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:57,000 I mean, everybody has to sacrifice. 1375 00:54:57,042 --> 00:54:59,833 I think I'm very used to working as a therapist, 1376 00:54:59,917 --> 00:55:03,250 and I'm trained to lead people to answers, 1377 00:55:03,333 --> 00:55:05,292 not direct them to answers. 1378 00:55:05,375 --> 00:55:08,000 And that approach has been really successful with me 1379 00:55:08,083 --> 00:55:11,167 in a lot of different areas with Joey, not necessarily this one. 1380 00:55:11,208 --> 00:55:12,125 Boom. 1381 00:55:12,208 --> 00:55:13,667 You said it right there. 1382 00:55:13,708 --> 00:55:17,750 A lot of different areas, but not this one. 1383 00:55:17,875 --> 00:55:19,667 AMANDA: I'm going to ask tonight, 1384 00:55:19,708 --> 00:55:23,083 Jamie, that you do not have any talk about treatment, recovery. 1385 00:55:23,167 --> 00:55:24,792 All that stuff could scare him. 1386 00:55:24,875 --> 00:55:27,042 If he just says yes with an open mind and an open heart, 1387 00:55:27,125 --> 00:55:30,542 then the rest of the stuff will all figure itself out. 1388 00:55:30,667 --> 00:55:32,125 I think it went really well. 1389 00:55:32,208 --> 00:55:33,708 I like what we saw in there. 1390 00:55:33,792 --> 00:55:36,833 The only outlier, though, is Jamie. 1391 00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:38,667 I feel like he still wants to play ball, 1392 00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:42,042 but I think he wants to play ball his way. 1393 00:55:42,167 --> 00:55:45,583 [tense music] 1394 00:56:35,875 --> 00:56:38,875 [somber music] 1395 00:57:35,042 --> 00:57:36,917 CORINNE: I don't understand that behavior. 1396 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,500 I really don't. 1397 00:57:38,583 --> 00:57:39,417 It really could have went so differently, because I-- 1398 00:57:39,542 --> 00:57:41,000 I said it right ahead of time. 1399 00:57:41,042 --> 00:57:43,333 I said, I'm not upset. 1400 00:57:43,417 --> 00:57:45,458 Just right ahead of time, I'm not upset. 1401 00:57:45,458 --> 00:57:48,917 I just want to understand, you know? 1402 00:57:49,042 --> 00:57:52,292 And it didn't go well, so I hate this [bleep]. 1403 00:57:52,375 --> 00:57:53,750 He stays mad for a minute. 1404 00:57:53,875 --> 00:57:55,083 It's going to be, like, a minute. 1405 00:57:58,083 --> 00:58:00,000 He's up-- I think he's upset-- 1406 00:58:00,042 --> 00:58:02,542 oh, god. 1407 00:58:02,667 --> 00:58:07,250 He's mad because I caught him in such a big moral lie 1408 00:58:07,375 --> 00:58:12,042 that he's constantly trying to give-- show everybody, which is 1409 00:58:12,125 --> 00:58:16,167 be honest, don't cheat, you know, um, tell the truth 1410 00:58:16,208 --> 00:58:17,875 to your family always. 1411 00:58:17,958 --> 00:58:20,042 And I basically brought up all those things 1412 00:58:20,167 --> 00:58:25,000 and, um, threatened his values, and he got really mad. 1413 00:58:25,125 --> 00:58:31,083 But I-- I have, like, finite, like, absolute proof of it, 1414 00:58:31,208 --> 00:58:33,458 and he was mad. 1415 00:58:33,542 --> 00:58:35,125 Anybody would be, I guess. 1416 00:58:35,208 --> 00:58:36,208 [door slams] 1417 00:58:36,292 --> 00:58:38,083 We have trust issues. 1418 00:58:38,208 --> 00:58:40,333 We can work on them, OK? 1419 00:58:40,417 --> 00:58:42,250 We have very healthy conversations. 1420 00:58:42,333 --> 00:58:46,500 But when we get high, sometimes the fights are ridiculous. 1421 00:58:46,583 --> 00:58:47,500 [scoffs] 1422 00:58:47,583 --> 00:58:49,125 [knocks] 1423 00:58:58,042 --> 00:59:01,250 [tense music] 1424 00:59:02,708 --> 00:59:04,667 So we get a call around 3:00 AM this morning. 1425 00:59:04,667 --> 00:59:07,458 Joey and Corinne, they got in a huge blow-up fight. 1426 00:59:07,542 --> 00:59:09,000 I guess it was all over cheating. 1427 00:59:09,083 --> 00:59:10,583 Corinne went through Joey's phone. 1428 00:59:10,583 --> 00:59:11,958 She found a bunch of texts, a bunch of messages 1429 00:59:12,042 --> 00:59:13,458 that she obviously didn't approve of. 1430 00:59:13,542 --> 00:59:16,500 So this came to a head and it exploded. 1431 00:59:16,542 --> 00:59:18,375 What I'm going to suggest we do right now 1432 00:59:18,458 --> 00:59:19,958 is, let's get Johnny on the phone. 1433 00:59:20,042 --> 00:59:20,917 OK. 1434 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,292 School him up to what's going on. 1435 00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:24,500 Because if we get up to the intervention location, 1436 00:59:24,583 --> 00:59:28,167 and we got to break off and go get Joey, 1437 00:59:28,208 --> 00:59:30,333 I think Johnny's going to be an asset for us on that. 1438 00:59:30,375 --> 00:59:31,375 Oh, yeah. We need him. 1439 00:59:31,458 --> 00:59:33,000 ZACH: So-- - He's-- he's strong. 1440 00:59:33,083 --> 00:59:34,625 He has that emotional connection. 1441 00:59:34,708 --> 00:59:36,500 I think that he's ready to show up for his brother, 1442 00:59:36,542 --> 00:59:38,000 and misses him. 1443 00:59:38,083 --> 00:59:40,208 [phone rings] 1444 00:59:41,667 --> 00:59:42,958 JOHNNY: (ON PHONE) Hello? - Hey, Johnny. 1445 00:59:43,042 --> 00:59:44,667 It's Zach. How are you doing this morning? 1446 00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:46,333 JOHNNY: Good. How are you doing? 1447 00:59:46,458 --> 00:59:48,333 So hey, we got a-- we got a call in the middle of the night 1448 00:59:48,417 --> 00:59:50,000 last night around 3:00 AM. 1449 00:59:50,083 --> 00:59:53,292 Um, Joey and Corinne got in a fight last night, 1450 00:59:53,375 --> 00:59:55,833 and right now Corinne is, uh-- 1451 00:59:55,958 --> 00:59:58,000 well, she's over at Brendan's RV. 1452 00:59:58,083 --> 01:00:02,000 Um, Joey though, right now, lack of a better 1453 01:00:02,125 --> 01:00:03,250 word, he's kind of MIA. 1454 01:00:03,375 --> 01:00:04,458 JOHNNY: OK. 1455 01:00:04,542 --> 01:00:05,917 Here's-- this is what I want to do. 1456 01:00:06,042 --> 01:00:07,083 I want us to proceed completely as normal. 1457 01:00:07,167 --> 01:00:09,333 So I still want, um, you and your wife 1458 01:00:09,375 --> 01:00:12,000 to head over to the location for the intervention, 1459 01:00:12,083 --> 01:00:14,667 just same time as normal, as planned. 1460 01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:16,625 And then what me and you might need to do 1461 01:00:16,708 --> 01:00:19,500 is, uh, rally while we're over there, 1462 01:00:19,542 --> 01:00:21,083 and then we might need to break off. 1463 01:00:21,167 --> 01:00:22,500 JOHNNY: OK 1464 01:00:22,542 --> 01:00:24,250 And you know, go see if we can herd Joey in. 1465 01:00:24,333 --> 01:00:25,542 So let's do that. 1466 01:00:25,667 --> 01:00:28,000 Um, we'll-- we'll see you up there in-- 1467 01:00:28,125 --> 01:00:30,167 well, hell, just a little bit at this point. 1468 01:00:30,292 --> 01:00:31,167 JOHNNY: Yeah, OK. 1469 01:00:31,208 --> 01:00:32,333 We'll see you over there. 1470 01:00:32,417 --> 01:00:34,417 It's kind of turned into a triage. 1471 01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:36,333 Let's triage the situation. 1472 01:00:36,375 --> 01:00:38,500 Which-- which one has the highest probability 1473 01:00:38,542 --> 01:00:40,250 of being saved first? 1474 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:42,292 Let's knock that out of the way, and then double back 1475 01:00:42,375 --> 01:00:45,250 and try to go get Joey. 1476 01:00:45,333 --> 01:00:48,375 [birds chirping] 1477 01:00:50,417 --> 01:00:51,667 Good morning, everyone. 1478 01:00:51,708 --> 01:00:54,542 Thank you all for being here today, again. 1479 01:00:54,667 --> 01:00:56,667 We had a lot of things transpire last night. 1480 01:00:56,792 --> 01:00:58,167 We've had to shift the plan a bit. 1481 01:00:58,250 --> 01:00:59,917 There's some things that went on that I'd 1482 01:01:00,042 --> 01:01:01,667 love for Zach to get into. 1483 01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:03,750 Here's the nuts and bolts of what happened last night. 1484 01:01:03,833 --> 01:01:05,833 You know, we know Joey and Corinne were together. 1485 01:01:05,875 --> 01:01:10,083 But what we didn't expect was they had a bit of a blowout. 1486 01:01:10,167 --> 01:01:14,000 Corinne retreated back to the RV and Joey took off on foot. 1487 01:01:14,083 --> 01:01:16,000 I called Johnny this morning thinking, 1488 01:01:16,083 --> 01:01:17,500 like, hey, we might have to try to track 1489 01:01:17,625 --> 01:01:19,292 him down and bring him in. 1490 01:01:19,375 --> 01:01:21,833 But he contacted, you know, one of the members of our team, 1491 01:01:21,958 --> 01:01:25,500 and uh, right now, it's-- we're expecting him to show up. 1492 01:01:25,583 --> 01:01:27,667 But that does also change how we've 1493 01:01:27,792 --> 01:01:29,208 got to approach these interventions, 1494 01:01:29,292 --> 01:01:32,375 because we originally wanted to run Corinne and Joey 1495 01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:34,625 together in one intervention. 1496 01:01:34,708 --> 01:01:37,667 But with that big blowout, the best thing to do now 1497 01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:39,250 is going to be to split them up. 1498 01:01:39,375 --> 01:01:41,542 So we're going to do Corinne's intervention, 1499 01:01:41,625 --> 01:01:42,875 then we'll come back and we'll get 1500 01:01:42,875 --> 01:01:44,458 Joey's done as a standalone. 1501 01:01:44,542 --> 01:01:49,583 But we want both families involved in both interventions. 1502 01:01:49,708 --> 01:01:51,375 And just having both families together, 1503 01:01:51,458 --> 01:01:54,667 just the demonstration of that-- that unity between the two 1504 01:01:54,708 --> 01:01:57,917 is going to have a powerful impact. 1505 01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,792 [crying] 1506 01:02:04,458 --> 01:02:05,667 They're about 10 minutes out. 1507 01:02:30,750 --> 01:02:32,458 So does everyone feel ready? 1508 01:02:32,542 --> 01:02:33,542 Yes. 1509 01:02:33,625 --> 01:02:34,458 AMANDA: All right. 1510 01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:37,792 [tense music] 1511 01:02:44,542 --> 01:02:45,542 Oh, no, no, no. 1512 01:02:45,667 --> 01:02:46,708 [groans] 1513 01:02:50,792 --> 01:02:53,875 [tense music] 1514 01:03:00,667 --> 01:03:01,667 Oh, no, no, no. 1515 01:03:01,708 --> 01:03:02,542 [groans] 1516 01:03:02,667 --> 01:03:04,792 AMANDA: Hi. 1517 01:03:04,875 --> 01:03:06,708 CORINNE: Hi. 1518 01:03:06,792 --> 01:03:08,708 Hey, boo. 1519 01:03:08,792 --> 01:03:09,708 [chuckles] 1520 01:03:09,708 --> 01:03:12,375 Hey, Corinne. 1521 01:03:12,458 --> 01:03:13,583 Hi, Steve. 1522 01:03:13,667 --> 01:03:14,750 AMANDA: I'm Amanda. 1523 01:03:14,833 --> 01:03:16,500 I've heard awesome things about you. 1524 01:03:16,542 --> 01:03:18,875 If you want to, if you could sit right here, that'd be awesome. 1525 01:03:18,958 --> 01:03:20,542 If you want to introduce yourself. 1526 01:03:20,542 --> 01:03:21,458 ZACH: Corinne, I'm Zach, by the way. 1527 01:03:21,542 --> 01:03:22,500 Hi. 1528 01:03:22,625 --> 01:03:23,958 ZACH: It's nice to meet you. 1529 01:03:24,042 --> 01:03:26,000 Thank you for being here today. 1530 01:03:26,042 --> 01:03:28,958 I've learned a lot about from your loved ones. 1531 01:03:29,042 --> 01:03:31,000 And how are you feeling from, you know, 1532 01:03:31,083 --> 01:03:32,917 like, what went on last night? 1533 01:03:46,167 --> 01:03:47,917 Because this is a safe space of love. 1534 01:03:52,917 --> 01:03:54,417 AMANDA: Well, it happened. 1535 01:03:54,542 --> 01:03:56,500 It's-- it's another thing that's the past, right? 1536 01:03:56,542 --> 01:03:57,917 So don't beat yourself up. 1537 01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,667 You've definitely been doing that for far too long. 1538 01:03:59,708 --> 01:04:01,208 A little bit of grace. 1539 01:04:01,333 --> 01:04:02,875 OK. 1540 01:04:02,958 --> 01:04:06,542 We want to start by letting your uncle read something 1541 01:04:06,667 --> 01:04:09,875 that he wrote for you. 1542 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,667 I'm here today to let you know I love and care 1543 01:04:12,750 --> 01:04:14,875 for you, first and foremost. 1544 01:04:14,958 --> 01:04:18,833 I know that I have not been the best role model as far 1545 01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:21,542 as alcohol and drug use is concerned, 1546 01:04:21,625 --> 01:04:25,667 but it is my hope that you see what being sober, 1547 01:04:25,792 --> 01:04:27,500 how it has benefited me. 1548 01:04:27,583 --> 01:04:30,833 I have every confidence that you can overcome anything 1549 01:04:30,875 --> 01:04:33,667 you set your mind to and come out shining 1550 01:04:33,708 --> 01:04:34,958 when all is said and done. 1551 01:04:35,042 --> 01:04:37,583 I'm anxious to see some of the old Corinne, who 1552 01:04:37,667 --> 01:04:41,417 took the time to make sure her poor old drunk uncle was 1553 01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:42,542 OK and fed. 1554 01:04:42,625 --> 01:04:45,750 [laughs, sniffles] Thank you. 1555 01:04:45,833 --> 01:04:47,500 You're very welcome. 1556 01:04:47,583 --> 01:04:50,417 Your uncle, he's here today to show you and his children 1557 01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:52,500 that people can change, and we do get better. 1558 01:04:52,583 --> 01:04:53,292 He's a miracle. 1559 01:04:53,375 --> 01:04:54,458 [sniffles] 1560 01:04:54,542 --> 01:04:55,667 AMANDA: OK, Jennifer. 1561 01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:58,208 Corinne, I love you, and I'm here 1562 01:04:58,292 --> 01:05:02,042 today to apologize and take responsibility for what trauma 1563 01:05:02,042 --> 01:05:04,917 I've caused in the past with my drinking, 1564 01:05:04,917 --> 01:05:07,083 and not realizing what was happening 1565 01:05:07,167 --> 01:05:11,458 to you with the people I allowed into your life. 1566 01:05:11,542 --> 01:05:14,750 We all have work to do to repair our relationship. 1567 01:05:14,833 --> 01:05:17,042 We are all here today to help save 1568 01:05:17,125 --> 01:05:20,000 your life from your addiction. 1569 01:05:20,125 --> 01:05:23,708 I love you so very much. 1570 01:05:23,792 --> 01:05:25,167 [sniffles] 1571 01:05:26,708 --> 01:05:31,167 I've been struggling with this resentment for my mom 1572 01:05:31,208 --> 01:05:34,000 for many years, and I just-- 1573 01:05:34,083 --> 01:05:38,125 it felt good to hear it all in one letter. 1574 01:05:38,208 --> 01:05:41,083 [sniffs] Thank you, Mom. 1575 01:05:41,167 --> 01:05:42,667 I love you so much. 1576 01:05:42,708 --> 01:05:43,875 CORINNE: I love you too. 1577 01:05:43,958 --> 01:05:45,917 I never fathomed how much I hurt you. 1578 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:46,833 Can I give you a hug? 1579 01:05:46,875 --> 01:05:47,750 Mm-hmm. 1580 01:05:47,875 --> 01:05:50,750 [gentle music] 1581 01:05:50,875 --> 01:05:52,750 I love you. 1582 01:05:52,833 --> 01:05:55,042 AMANDA: I'm going to come over and sit with you to share 1583 01:05:55,125 --> 01:05:58,167 with you your sweet brother. 1584 01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:59,958 CAIRO: Um, hey, big sister. 1585 01:06:00,042 --> 01:06:02,167 I wish I could have been there for you more. 1586 01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:04,833 I wish I could have learned how to communicate with you better. 1587 01:06:04,917 --> 01:06:07,042 And I just want you to know that we are 1588 01:06:07,125 --> 01:06:09,167 in this together as a family. 1589 01:06:09,292 --> 01:06:13,500 Hopefully, together, we can get you the help that you need, 1590 01:06:13,583 --> 01:06:17,583 so you can live the life you so dearly want to. 1591 01:06:17,708 --> 01:06:20,875 Today, I ask that you go through with the treatment. 1592 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,750 If you want to feel like you belong in this family, 1593 01:06:23,833 --> 01:06:25,083 you have to do this. 1594 01:06:25,167 --> 01:06:27,625 Not for us, but for yourself. 1595 01:06:27,708 --> 01:06:28,917 I love you. 1596 01:06:29,042 --> 01:06:31,958 Whew. 1597 01:06:32,042 --> 01:06:34,792 So you know, because we have Joey's family here, 1598 01:06:34,875 --> 01:06:36,333 I do want to give just-- 1599 01:06:36,417 --> 01:06:38,917 them just a moment of a piece of support 1600 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,500 to give as well, because they're here 1601 01:06:40,583 --> 01:06:42,875 and I know that they care for you too, 1602 01:06:42,958 --> 01:06:44,667 and want you to get the help as well. 1603 01:06:44,750 --> 01:06:45,792 Hi. 1604 01:06:45,875 --> 01:06:46,708 Hi. 1605 01:06:46,792 --> 01:06:48,125 So go ahead. 1606 01:06:48,208 --> 01:06:49,458 We'll just kind of go down the line, and-- 1607 01:06:49,542 --> 01:06:51,292 So Corinne, we want you to get clean too, 1608 01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:54,125 and get better and make your family happy, 1609 01:06:54,208 --> 01:06:56,833 and we don't want to see nobody in the situation you're in. 1610 01:06:56,875 --> 01:06:58,750 We want you to get better. 1611 01:06:58,833 --> 01:06:59,625 Thank you. 1612 01:06:59,708 --> 01:07:00,542 That's really sweet. 1613 01:07:00,667 --> 01:07:01,208 That's really kind. 1614 01:07:01,292 --> 01:07:02,792 [sniffs] 1615 01:07:02,875 --> 01:07:04,250 You and I have gotten to know each other 1616 01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:05,958 a lot better in the last few weeks, 1617 01:07:06,042 --> 01:07:07,042 amid all this drama and chaos. 1618 01:07:07,125 --> 01:07:08,333 [chuckles] 1619 01:07:08,375 --> 01:07:10,917 And as a dad for Joey, I do appreciate 1620 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,125 and I do recognize the value that you 1621 01:07:14,208 --> 01:07:15,833 brought to Joey's life. 1622 01:07:15,917 --> 01:07:16,958 And I know you're a really good person. 1623 01:07:17,042 --> 01:07:18,000 [sobs] 1624 01:07:22,042 --> 01:07:23,333 So I-- 1625 01:07:23,458 --> 01:07:26,583 I do hope you go, accept treatment and go. 1626 01:07:29,292 --> 01:07:30,583 [laughter] AMANDA: Yeah? 1627 01:07:30,708 --> 01:07:31,375 OK. 1628 01:07:31,375 --> 01:07:32,667 Yeah, you're going to go? 1629 01:07:32,708 --> 01:07:33,458 Yeah. 1630 01:07:33,542 --> 01:07:34,917 OK, that's awesome. 1631 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,875 ZACH: All right. 1632 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,125 I feel great. 1633 01:07:38,208 --> 01:07:40,208 I'm super proud of her. 1634 01:07:40,208 --> 01:07:41,708 She really did great. 1635 01:07:41,833 --> 01:07:43,292 [laughs] 1636 01:07:45,042 --> 01:07:49,083 The intervention with Corinne was so beautiful, so healing. 1637 01:07:49,167 --> 01:07:50,833 And now she finally has an opportunity 1638 01:07:50,958 --> 01:07:53,250 to have all the things that she wants in life by starting 1639 01:07:53,333 --> 01:07:56,750 with taking care of herself first, which was the first step 1640 01:07:56,875 --> 01:07:57,958 of accepting treatment. 1641 01:07:58,042 --> 01:07:58,875 Oh. 1642 01:07:58,958 --> 01:07:59,708 CORINNE: I love you. 1643 01:07:59,833 --> 01:08:01,000 [both grunt] 1644 01:08:01,083 --> 01:08:02,792 Oh, I'm so excited for you. 1645 01:08:02,875 --> 01:08:05,167 I think she took the first step into a brighter world 1646 01:08:05,208 --> 01:08:06,792 for herself, yeah. 1647 01:08:06,875 --> 01:08:10,333 And uh-- and uh, I'm envious of the journey, you know? 1648 01:08:10,458 --> 01:08:12,000 [laughs] 1649 01:08:12,083 --> 01:08:14,250 Are you guys going to give a good attempt 1650 01:08:14,375 --> 01:08:15,917 at getting Joey to go? - Yeah. 1651 01:08:16,042 --> 01:08:17,250 We're going to do everything we can 1652 01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:19,167 to just deliver that same loving message 1653 01:08:19,208 --> 01:08:21,000 to him like we did to you. 1654 01:08:21,042 --> 01:08:22,708 And if all goes according to plan, like, 1655 01:08:22,792 --> 01:08:25,333 we have a great place for him to also go today. 1656 01:08:25,375 --> 01:08:26,625 Awesome. 1657 01:08:26,708 --> 01:08:29,000 I wish I could leave a letter for him, too. 1658 01:08:29,042 --> 01:08:32,500 You could leave a little-- a few words, like a little note. 1659 01:08:32,625 --> 01:08:33,417 I'm OK with that. 1660 01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:34,125 Absolutely. 1661 01:08:34,208 --> 01:08:35,250 I'd welcome it. 1662 01:08:35,375 --> 01:08:36,292 OK. 1663 01:08:36,375 --> 01:08:37,625 Bye. 1664 01:08:37,708 --> 01:08:38,917 JENNIFER: Love you, babe. - I love you. 1665 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:39,958 Bye. Thank you, guys. 1666 01:08:40,042 --> 01:08:41,708 Love you, sweetheart. 1667 01:08:41,708 --> 01:08:43,042 Bye, Corinne. 1668 01:08:43,125 --> 01:08:44,958 You guys are amazing, all of you. 1669 01:08:45,042 --> 01:08:46,708 You've got this, girl. 1670 01:08:46,792 --> 01:08:47,500 Yeah. 1671 01:08:47,542 --> 01:08:49,417 [sniffs] Oh. 1672 01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:50,333 OK. 1673 01:09:05,958 --> 01:09:07,125 AMANDA: All right. 1674 01:09:07,208 --> 01:09:09,083 You have a lot of people rooting for you. 1675 01:09:09,167 --> 01:09:10,000 All right, girl. 1676 01:09:10,083 --> 01:09:11,875 We believe in you. 1677 01:09:11,958 --> 01:09:13,167 Thank you so much, seriously. 1678 01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:16,625 [gentle music] 1679 01:09:20,667 --> 01:09:23,333 [birds chirping] 1680 01:09:23,375 --> 01:09:26,375 When he shows up here, uh, Jamie, I want 1681 01:09:26,458 --> 01:09:28,167 you and me to go greet him. 1682 01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:29,583 I'll be right behind you. 1683 01:09:29,708 --> 01:09:31,792 Once we actually walk in through the front door, 1684 01:09:31,875 --> 01:09:34,917 I want the rest of you guys to just swarm him with bear hugs. 1685 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,958 Corinne's gone, and that can help in Joey's decision making. 1686 01:09:38,042 --> 01:09:42,333 But we still have Jamie, and I'm not so sure about him. 1687 01:09:42,333 --> 01:09:43,958 I still question whether he's going 1688 01:09:44,042 --> 01:09:47,833 to come out of left field with something that just derails it. 1689 01:09:47,958 --> 01:09:49,375 I'm not mad at her. 1690 01:09:49,458 --> 01:09:51,875 Like, I am, I'm upset with her, but I'm mad at myself. 1691 01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:53,125 I could have handled that way better. 1692 01:09:53,208 --> 01:09:54,833 I know that. 1693 01:09:54,917 --> 01:09:56,125 An addiction, absolutely. 1694 01:09:56,208 --> 01:09:58,083 Drugs, yeah, I react. 1695 01:09:58,167 --> 01:09:59,792 And that's my biggest problem with this. 1696 01:09:59,875 --> 01:10:01,875 Just because I'm using doesn't mean I don't have a heart. 1697 01:10:01,958 --> 01:10:04,750 If I see her again, then I'm going to wish her luck. 1698 01:10:04,750 --> 01:10:07,042 I'm really going to hope that she gets better. 1699 01:10:07,125 --> 01:10:08,750 I'm really going to hope that I get better. 1700 01:10:13,542 --> 01:10:14,833 [knocks] 1701 01:10:15,875 --> 01:10:16,708 Whoa. 1702 01:10:23,208 --> 01:10:26,292 [birds chirping] 1703 01:10:27,375 --> 01:10:30,167 ZACH: When he shows up here, uh, Jamie, I want 1704 01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:32,000 you and me to go greet him. 1705 01:10:32,083 --> 01:10:33,375 I'll be right behind you. 1706 01:10:33,458 --> 01:10:35,500 Once we actually walk in through the front door, 1707 01:10:35,583 --> 01:10:38,542 I want the rest of you guys to just swarm him with bear hugs. 1708 01:10:40,208 --> 01:10:41,833 ZACH: OK. 1709 01:10:41,875 --> 01:10:44,333 Corinne's gone, and that can help in Joey's decision making. 1710 01:10:44,417 --> 01:10:48,500 But we still have Jamie, and I'm not so sure about him. 1711 01:10:48,542 --> 01:10:50,417 I still question whether he's going 1712 01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:52,583 to come out of left field with something that just derails it. 1713 01:10:52,667 --> 01:10:55,167 If he can play his part and play his part right, 1714 01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:56,583 that would give me a lot of hope. 1715 01:10:56,667 --> 01:10:57,708 [knocks] 1716 01:10:57,833 --> 01:11:00,083 All right. 1717 01:11:00,167 --> 01:11:00,792 Hey. 1718 01:11:00,875 --> 01:11:01,542 Hey, Dad. 1719 01:11:01,625 --> 01:11:02,667 Whoa. 1720 01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:04,250 Hi. 1721 01:11:04,333 --> 01:11:05,417 - My name is Zach. - Good to meet you. 1722 01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:06,292 - It's good to meet you, dude. - You too. 1723 01:11:06,375 --> 01:11:07,042 Come on in, man. Join us. 1724 01:11:07,167 --> 01:11:08,208 Take a seat. 1725 01:11:08,292 --> 01:11:09,000 We got a special spot just for you. 1726 01:11:10,292 --> 01:11:11,583 What's up, dude? 1727 01:11:11,667 --> 01:11:12,333 How you doing? 1728 01:11:12,375 --> 01:11:13,083 How are you, man? 1729 01:11:13,167 --> 01:11:14,000 Doing good. 1730 01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:15,625 Yeah. 1731 01:11:15,708 --> 01:11:16,625 Welcome to it. 1732 01:11:16,708 --> 01:11:17,583 Hi, sis. 1733 01:11:17,667 --> 01:11:18,292 Hey. 1734 01:11:18,375 --> 01:11:19,833 What's going on? 1735 01:11:19,875 --> 01:11:22,250 Oh. 1736 01:11:22,333 --> 01:11:23,292 Hey, sis. 1737 01:11:23,375 --> 01:11:24,458 - Hi. - How are you? 1738 01:11:24,542 --> 01:11:25,167 Good. 1739 01:11:25,208 --> 01:11:26,667 Good. 1740 01:11:26,708 --> 01:11:29,167 AMANDA: Just to introduce myself, I'm Amanda Marino. 1741 01:11:29,250 --> 01:11:30,167 Nice to meet you. 1742 01:11:30,250 --> 01:11:31,792 Nice to meet you. 1743 01:11:31,875 --> 01:11:33,833 ZACH: The reason we're all here, dude, is everyone in this room 1744 01:11:33,875 --> 01:11:35,833 right now-- I mean, just look around, man. 1745 01:11:35,875 --> 01:11:36,792 Like, look at their faces. 1746 01:11:36,875 --> 01:11:37,917 Like, it's all love. 1747 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,375 It's all support. 1748 01:11:39,458 --> 01:11:40,750 And today, like, what we really want to do 1749 01:11:40,833 --> 01:11:42,583 is just have a simple conversation 1750 01:11:42,667 --> 01:11:44,625 about some of the stuff that's been going on with you. 1751 01:11:44,708 --> 01:11:46,208 Johnny, let's start with you, man. 1752 01:11:46,292 --> 01:11:47,542 [clears throat] All right. 1753 01:11:47,625 --> 01:11:49,375 So Joey, growing up, it was always just us 1754 01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:51,208 kids doing everything together. 1755 01:11:51,292 --> 01:11:54,000 I remember the big tree fort we built in the backyard, how you 1756 01:11:54,042 --> 01:11:55,375 were always so good with building 1757 01:11:55,458 --> 01:11:57,792 and determined to get the job done. 1758 01:11:57,875 --> 01:12:00,542 I always thought you would end up building houses 1759 01:12:00,625 --> 01:12:02,542 or being a contractor someday. 1760 01:12:02,625 --> 01:12:05,542 Then the drugs got ahold of you, and you lost 1761 01:12:05,625 --> 01:12:07,500 your drive to finish anything. 1762 01:12:07,542 --> 01:12:10,458 You stopped showing up to work and providing for your family. 1763 01:12:10,542 --> 01:12:13,500 That was really hard to see. 1764 01:12:13,542 --> 01:12:16,375 It broke my heart to think how bad things had gotten for you, 1765 01:12:16,458 --> 01:12:19,500 and to be losing custody. 1766 01:12:19,542 --> 01:12:22,375 Since then, things haven't gotten any better. 1767 01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:24,583 This is your chance to get your life back on track. 1768 01:12:24,667 --> 01:12:26,625 All of us want you to do good. 1769 01:12:26,708 --> 01:12:28,750 Please don't miss out on this opportunity. 1770 01:12:28,833 --> 01:12:29,500 I love you, bro. 1771 01:12:29,583 --> 01:12:30,583 I love you too, man. 1772 01:12:34,917 --> 01:12:36,083 [sniffles] 1773 01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:43,333 OK. 1774 01:12:43,417 --> 01:12:45,292 First and foremost, I love you. 1775 01:12:45,375 --> 01:12:48,333 You are an amazing man, and I am blessed to have you in my life. 1776 01:12:48,417 --> 01:12:50,833 Your focus and capacity and health 1777 01:12:50,917 --> 01:12:52,792 is fading in the last three years, 1778 01:12:52,875 --> 01:12:58,292 and I can't bear the thought of losing you. 1779 01:12:58,375 --> 01:13:00,875 At the same time, I could not allow you to live in our home 1780 01:13:00,958 --> 01:13:02,500 if you are using. 1781 01:13:02,583 --> 01:13:05,625 I also know that in the deepest depths of your heart, 1782 01:13:05,708 --> 01:13:08,292 all you want is your children with you in a safe and healthy 1783 01:13:08,375 --> 01:13:09,917 home to raise them in. 1784 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,417 But we both know that you have to be sober and healthy to have 1785 01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:14,625 any chance of achieving it. 1786 01:13:14,708 --> 01:13:16,458 You have to choose whether you're ready, 1787 01:13:16,542 --> 01:13:18,333 and what is the right treatment for you. 1788 01:13:18,417 --> 01:13:21,333 I will always be emotionally supportive and loving, 1789 01:13:21,375 --> 01:13:22,667 and I will never give up. 1790 01:13:22,708 --> 01:13:24,667 You are so amazing, and so strong, 1791 01:13:24,750 --> 01:13:28,833 and have the heart of a warrior, a father, and a son. 1792 01:13:28,875 --> 01:13:31,583 I love you. 1793 01:13:31,667 --> 01:13:34,292 We've heard what everyone over here has to say. 1794 01:13:34,417 --> 01:13:36,500 But a lot of people from Corinne's side 1795 01:13:36,542 --> 01:13:38,458 came as well to support you. 1796 01:13:38,542 --> 01:13:41,542 What do you guys want for Joey? 1797 01:13:41,625 --> 01:13:44,500 Joey, I love you. 1798 01:13:44,583 --> 01:13:48,375 You are just so caring and kind, and you always 1799 01:13:48,458 --> 01:13:50,417 have her back, no matter what. 1800 01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:54,333 And that is-- means so much to me. 1801 01:13:54,417 --> 01:13:56,708 Can I have a hug? 1802 01:13:56,833 --> 01:14:00,042 [gentle music] 1803 01:14:02,583 --> 01:14:04,500 This is a day of hope, a day of love. 1804 01:14:04,583 --> 01:14:06,417 Everyone in here loves you. 1805 01:14:06,542 --> 01:14:08,375 And I know this is an overwhelming seat to be in. 1806 01:14:08,458 --> 01:14:09,917 I've been in it myself. 1807 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,792 But let me ask you, do you want to go to treatment today? 1808 01:14:15,875 --> 01:14:16,792 Today? 1809 01:14:16,875 --> 01:14:17,458 Today. 1810 01:14:17,542 --> 01:14:20,667 [tense music] 1811 01:14:23,708 --> 01:14:24,833 This is what you need, Joey. 1812 01:14:44,208 --> 01:14:47,042 [tense music] 1813 01:14:47,042 --> 01:14:48,708 And I know this is an overwhelming seat to be in. 1814 01:14:48,792 --> 01:14:51,917 I've been in it myself. 1815 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,667 But let me ask you, do you want to go to treatment today? 1816 01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:58,833 Today? 1817 01:14:58,875 --> 01:14:59,667 Today. 1818 01:15:05,625 --> 01:15:06,708 This is what you need, Joey. 1819 01:15:26,042 --> 01:15:28,500 Like, I got, like, Beast and [bleep], dude. 1820 01:15:28,625 --> 01:15:29,625 Like, I got court. 1821 01:15:29,708 --> 01:15:31,333 We're going to take him. 1822 01:15:31,375 --> 01:15:33,833 We'll take care of Beast, and court will get handled, too. 1823 01:15:33,917 --> 01:15:34,625 Yeah. 1824 01:15:34,708 --> 01:15:35,750 It's not a big deal. 1825 01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,000 Johnny is willing to take Beast, 1826 01:15:41,083 --> 01:15:44,083 and Jamie is willing to help any way he can too. 1827 01:15:44,208 --> 01:15:46,500 So I want to hand this to you. 1828 01:15:46,583 --> 01:15:47,500 Ocean Recovery. 1829 01:15:47,542 --> 01:15:48,833 It's in Newport Beach. 1830 01:15:48,917 --> 01:15:51,583 I would be willing to put anyone in my family 1831 01:15:51,708 --> 01:15:54,667 in that specific treatment center if they were struggling. 1832 01:15:54,750 --> 01:15:56,833 I want you to be in a position to do this right once, 1833 01:15:56,875 --> 01:15:58,833 so that we can get back, and get back to the kids 1834 01:15:58,917 --> 01:16:00,542 and get back to the family, and get back to everything 1835 01:16:00,625 --> 01:16:01,792 that you want to have happen. 1836 01:16:04,542 --> 01:16:08,250 I think without this, the odds of the kids coming 1837 01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:09,708 in front of you are slim. 1838 01:16:09,792 --> 01:16:12,542 I think with this, the odds are extremely high. 1839 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,875 Let's go. 1840 01:16:18,958 --> 01:16:20,542 Yeah. 1841 01:16:20,625 --> 01:16:22,083 AMANDA: Awesome. ZACH: All right, awesome. 1842 01:16:22,167 --> 01:16:23,083 AMANDA: Woo! 1843 01:16:23,167 --> 01:16:24,500 ZACH: I'm gonna give you a hug, too. 1844 01:16:24,583 --> 01:16:25,208 AMANDA: You deserve this. 1845 01:16:25,333 --> 01:16:27,000 ZACH: Come on. 1846 01:16:27,042 --> 01:16:28,583 Now, this-- this is the first step on an incredible journey, 1847 01:16:28,667 --> 01:16:29,708 my friend. 1848 01:16:29,792 --> 01:16:31,583 We just got a W on both sides. 1849 01:16:31,583 --> 01:16:33,542 Like, this couldn't have gone better, really. 1850 01:16:33,625 --> 01:16:35,667 This was a feel-good one, for me. 1851 01:16:35,708 --> 01:16:38,708 I love you, bro. 1852 01:16:38,792 --> 01:16:41,583 When Joey walked in the door and seen all of us there, 1853 01:16:41,667 --> 01:16:43,000 I think he was-- 1854 01:16:43,083 --> 01:16:45,000 there was a part of him where he was ready to-- 1855 01:16:45,083 --> 01:16:47,667 to come to grips with it, and fix the problem 1856 01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:50,792 he has, and come out of it. 1857 01:16:50,875 --> 01:16:52,167 I want him to get his life back. 1858 01:16:52,208 --> 01:16:53,750 I want him in recovery. 1859 01:16:53,833 --> 01:16:55,750 I want him in a home with his kids. 1860 01:16:55,875 --> 01:16:58,500 And I want us all to be one big family. 1861 01:16:58,583 --> 01:16:59,375 - I got your back. - Right on. 1862 01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:00,917 Thank you. 1863 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:01,667 Apparently I've got a lot of people that got my back. 1864 01:17:01,708 --> 01:17:03,125 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1865 01:17:03,208 --> 01:17:05,542 [laughter, chatter] 1866 01:17:05,625 --> 01:17:06,625 You're going to do good, Joey. 1867 01:17:06,708 --> 01:17:09,583 [chatter] 1868 01:17:09,708 --> 01:17:10,750 ZACH: This is the Beast, huh? 1869 01:17:10,875 --> 01:17:11,958 JOEY: Yeah, that's my dog. 1870 01:17:12,042 --> 01:17:13,833 Hopefully we can get our brother back, 1871 01:17:13,875 --> 01:17:16,292 our-- you know, get Joey back, the one 1872 01:17:16,375 --> 01:17:17,708 that we all know and love. 1873 01:17:17,833 --> 01:17:19,875 And he hasn't been around in a long time. 1874 01:17:19,958 --> 01:17:23,125 All Mom ever wanted was Joey sober, and uh, 1875 01:17:23,208 --> 01:17:25,833 us all coming together, being close. 1876 01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:28,458 Ain't going to be easy, Joe, but stick it out, dude. 1877 01:17:28,542 --> 01:17:29,208 It's worth it. 1878 01:17:29,208 --> 01:17:30,292 It's gonna be. 1879 01:17:30,375 --> 01:17:32,083 It definitely will be. 1880 01:17:32,167 --> 01:17:34,000 He's one of those rare people, he could be anything he wants. 1881 01:17:34,083 --> 01:17:36,208 He has all the potential in the world. 1882 01:17:36,292 --> 01:17:39,083 He just needs to want it, focus it, and be able to be 1883 01:17:39,208 --> 01:17:40,792 healthy enough to do it. 1884 01:17:40,875 --> 01:17:42,083 JOHNNY: We love you, bro. - Love you too, man. 1885 01:17:42,208 --> 01:17:43,583 Thank you. JOHNNY: You got this. 1886 01:17:43,667 --> 01:17:44,292 All right. 1887 01:17:44,375 --> 01:17:45,792 Love you, bro. 1888 01:17:45,875 --> 01:17:47,500 ZACH: We'll see him off. 1889 01:17:47,542 --> 01:17:48,167 Hey. 1890 01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:49,042 Good work, bro. 1891 01:17:49,167 --> 01:17:52,167 Thanks, man. 1892 01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:53,083 I love you, man. 1893 01:17:53,208 --> 01:17:53,958 JOEY: Bye, bro. 1894 01:17:54,042 --> 01:17:54,750 Bye, Beast. 1895 01:17:57,708 --> 01:17:59,042 JOHNNY: [sighs] 1896 01:18:00,708 --> 01:18:03,000 [groans] It's good to see him on his way. 1897 01:18:03,083 --> 01:18:04,833 ZACH: It's hard, but it's a happy ending. 1898 01:18:04,917 --> 01:18:06,042 JOHNNY: Absolutely, yeah. 1899 01:18:06,125 --> 01:18:09,167 No, that's the biggest relief right there. 1900 01:18:09,208 --> 01:18:10,792 [sighs] 1901 01:18:12,250 --> 01:18:14,083 Dude, I'm so done. 1902 01:18:14,167 --> 01:18:17,000 I've always really wanted to just, you know, not-- 1903 01:18:17,083 --> 01:18:19,875 not be doing this, not feel this way anymore, not be addicted. 1904 01:18:19,958 --> 01:18:23,208 From the first day I used, I hated it. 1905 01:18:23,292 --> 01:18:24,292 I hated it. 1906 01:18:24,375 --> 01:18:25,833 I still hate it. 1907 01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:27,583 It's cost me everything. 1908 01:18:27,667 --> 01:18:28,667 Oh. 1909 01:18:38,875 --> 01:18:40,167 CORINNE: He could be great at rehab. 1910 01:18:40,250 --> 01:18:42,083 He could freaking just, like-- it'll click 1911 01:18:42,167 --> 01:18:44,042 and he'll be like, I'm done, yeah, you know? 1912 01:18:44,125 --> 01:18:46,083 And maybe I'm the one who's just never going to get it, 1913 01:18:46,167 --> 01:18:47,167 you know? 1914 01:18:47,208 --> 01:18:49,083 But I feel like he's going to struggle, 1915 01:18:49,167 --> 01:18:52,083 and I'm worried that he's going to say, this sucks, and bounce. 1916 01:18:55,917 --> 01:18:57,333 That's what I hope for. 1917 01:18:57,417 --> 01:18:58,833 One thing at a time, you know. 1918 01:18:58,917 --> 01:19:02,083 [airplane whooshing] 1919 01:19:04,542 --> 01:19:06,083 Oh my gosh, this is crazy. 1920 01:19:06,167 --> 01:19:07,417 [chuckles] 1921 01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:10,958 [gentle music] 1922 01:19:16,708 --> 01:19:17,625 I'm excited. 1923 01:19:17,708 --> 01:19:18,458 Mm-hmm. 1924 01:19:21,292 --> 01:19:22,292 Welcome to Texas. 1925 01:19:22,375 --> 01:19:23,167 CORINNE: Yeah. 1926 01:19:23,208 --> 01:19:24,833 Never been. 1927 01:19:24,958 --> 01:19:28,250 Corinne comes to us with some significant trauma history. 1928 01:19:28,333 --> 01:19:31,375 We like to focus primarily on mental health 1929 01:19:31,375 --> 01:19:32,958 here at Amend Wellness. 1930 01:19:33,042 --> 01:19:35,333 Basically you just initial all of these. 1931 01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:39,000 We hope that she will engage with the treatment 1932 01:19:39,083 --> 01:19:40,917 staff and the treatment plan. 1933 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,333 How was the flight? 1934 01:19:42,417 --> 01:19:43,250 It was flighty. 1935 01:19:43,333 --> 01:19:44,125 Flighty. 1936 01:19:44,208 --> 01:19:45,792 Mm-hmm. 1937 01:19:45,875 --> 01:19:47,833 She will meet with a therapist, a master's level 1938 01:19:47,875 --> 01:19:50,917 clinician, and we will communicate with her family 1939 01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,208 and ensure that they are part of the healing process. 1940 01:19:54,292 --> 01:19:56,167 I can read every book in the world about how 1941 01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,333 to get better and go anywhere to get better, 1942 01:19:58,458 --> 01:20:00,875 but I can't seem to get better. 1943 01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,833 So my greatest fear is that this isn't going to work, 1944 01:20:03,917 --> 01:20:04,875 and that scares me. 1945 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,167 But I'm going to try my best. 1946 01:20:09,542 --> 01:20:11,208 JOEY: I'm excited about it. 1947 01:20:11,333 --> 01:20:14,167 Nervous a little bit, but all in all, it's needed to happen. 1948 01:20:14,250 --> 01:20:17,292 [gentle music] 1949 01:20:20,792 --> 01:20:21,875 - Hey. - Hi, Joey. 1950 01:20:21,958 --> 01:20:23,417 How you doing? How are you doing? 1951 01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:24,375 Joey. - I'm Joey. 1952 01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:25,208 Good to meet you. Nice! 1953 01:20:25,333 --> 01:20:26,125 Right on. Sweet. 1954 01:20:26,208 --> 01:20:27,250 [laughs] It's good to meet you. 1955 01:20:27,375 --> 01:20:29,000 We're so glad to have you here. 1956 01:20:29,042 --> 01:20:30,208 - Oh, it's good to be here. - Good to meet you. 1957 01:20:30,375 --> 01:20:31,708 - Yeah, thank you. - Want me to take your bag? 1958 01:20:31,792 --> 01:20:33,083 Uh, yeah, please. Thank you. 1959 01:20:33,167 --> 01:20:34,292 Appreciate it. - Yeah, no problem. 1960 01:20:34,375 --> 01:20:35,917 I'm happy that you're here, man. - Wow. 1961 01:20:42,875 --> 01:20:46,292 [gentle music] 1962 01:20:49,875 --> 01:20:53,458 I've been sober 71 days, and I'm so excited. 1963 01:20:53,542 --> 01:20:54,542 I feel healthy. 1964 01:20:54,625 --> 01:20:56,292 It's like you can see better. 1965 01:20:56,375 --> 01:20:57,375 You can think better. 1966 01:20:57,458 --> 01:21:01,042 My mind is clear. 1967 01:21:01,167 --> 01:21:04,083 Corinne has made incredible progress since being 1968 01:21:04,208 --> 01:21:06,875 with us here at Amend Wellness. 1969 01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,375 I believe that her outlook on life 1970 01:21:09,458 --> 01:21:11,958 is very different than when she first arrived. 1971 01:21:12,042 --> 01:21:14,792 She's also really dug in to her trauma 1972 01:21:14,875 --> 01:21:17,833 and worked very closely with our therapeutic team 1973 01:21:17,917 --> 01:21:20,417 to have that internal transformation 1974 01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:24,417 that's so necessary for her betterment to continue. 1975 01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:27,833 I didn't understand the concept of self-love. 1976 01:21:27,917 --> 01:21:30,500 In order to be sober for the rest of my life, 1977 01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:32,333 I have to love myself. 1978 01:21:32,417 --> 01:21:35,208 Joey is and forever will be my best friend. 1979 01:21:35,292 --> 01:21:37,083 I will always have a place in my heart for him. 1980 01:21:37,167 --> 01:21:38,917 I love him unconditionally. 1981 01:21:39,042 --> 01:21:42,083 Right now, I hope to just concentrate on myself so that I 1982 01:21:42,167 --> 01:21:45,042 can get better, and my only hope is that he's feeling 1983 01:21:45,042 --> 01:21:48,000 the same way about himself. 1984 01:21:48,083 --> 01:21:50,333 I didn't realize how much was lost to drugs. 1985 01:21:50,375 --> 01:21:54,250 Like, I feel more for others, for myself. 1986 01:21:54,375 --> 01:21:56,583 It's like all the love and compassion that 1987 01:21:56,667 --> 01:21:58,000 was once in me is back again. 1988 01:22:00,875 --> 01:22:04,125 [gentle music] 1989 01:22:06,625 --> 01:22:08,583 I've been sober now for 69 days. 1990 01:22:08,667 --> 01:22:10,917 And uh, I feel really good. 1991 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,583 I haven't felt this good, I think, ever, honestly. 1992 01:22:13,667 --> 01:22:15,250 The first time I've got clarity. 1993 01:22:15,333 --> 01:22:17,333 When I first got here, I didn't want to be here. 1994 01:22:17,375 --> 01:22:19,292 I was convinced I was doing this for somebody else, 1995 01:22:19,375 --> 01:22:21,167 that I didn't need this that bad. 1996 01:22:21,250 --> 01:22:24,125 I honestly was looking for any excuse to take off. 1997 01:22:24,208 --> 01:22:26,083 And uh-- and I did. 1998 01:22:26,208 --> 01:22:28,125 I actually-- I did leave. 1999 01:22:28,208 --> 01:22:32,458 Joey was here about a week when he first arrived, and left 2000 01:22:32,542 --> 01:22:33,875 against medical advice. 2001 01:22:33,875 --> 01:22:36,500 I got a call from my ex, saying 2002 01:22:36,583 --> 01:22:38,333 that my son was acting out. 2003 01:22:38,417 --> 01:22:40,917 So I left here and went to Texas, stayed with my kids 2004 01:22:41,042 --> 01:22:42,625 for three weeks, helped correct things, 2005 01:22:42,708 --> 01:22:44,667 and uh, I didn't use once. 2006 01:22:44,708 --> 01:22:47,083 I made my mind up before I left here that I was going 2007 01:22:47,167 --> 01:22:48,417 to follow this thing through. 2008 01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:49,958 And I did that. 2009 01:22:50,042 --> 01:22:52,083 We were happy to-- to bring him back. 2010 01:22:52,167 --> 01:22:55,000 Since he's made it back, his anxiety is way down. 2011 01:22:55,125 --> 01:22:58,000 Um, he's working on a lot of his codependency, 2012 01:22:58,083 --> 01:23:00,333 and he's learning how to focus on what's in his control. 2013 01:23:00,458 --> 01:23:02,292 And that's the only way he's really 2014 01:23:02,375 --> 01:23:04,333 going to be able to be there for his family or his kids, 2015 01:23:04,458 --> 01:23:06,417 is by taking care of himself first. 2016 01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:11,042 And that was a pretty foreign concept to him when he arrived. 2017 01:23:11,125 --> 01:23:12,375 My biggest challenge in treatment 2018 01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:14,958 is not feeling like I've been there for my kids. 2019 01:23:15,042 --> 01:23:17,125 I call my kids almost every day, now. 2020 01:23:17,208 --> 01:23:21,000 It's a relationship that-- that never really happened before. 2021 01:23:21,042 --> 01:23:23,208 Me and Corinne are, uh, no longer together. 2022 01:23:23,292 --> 01:23:25,417 Um, we have to work on ourselves, 2023 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,333 fix ourselves, before we can be good for anybody. 2024 01:23:28,417 --> 01:23:31,333 Two broken boards don't build a sturdy bench, 2025 01:23:31,458 --> 01:23:35,375 and so we're going to focus on ourselves and our family. 2026 01:23:35,458 --> 01:23:37,000 I want to look back on my life-- 2027 01:23:37,083 --> 01:23:38,208 I want my kids to look back and be 2028 01:23:38,333 --> 01:23:39,958 like, man, my dad was awesome. 2029 01:23:40,042 --> 01:23:41,208 He was there for people. 2030 01:23:41,292 --> 01:23:42,500 He was there for us. 2031 01:23:42,583 --> 01:23:44,958 He was there for himself. 2032 01:23:45,042 --> 01:23:47,208 [waves lapping] 2033 01:23:48,458 --> 01:23:51,500 [gentle music]