1 00:00:02,244 --> 00:00:03,818 Narrator: This program contains subject 2 00:00:03,838 --> 00:00:05,078 Matter and language that may be disturbing to some viewers. 3 00:00:05,172 --> 00:00:06,672 Viewer discretion is advised. 4 00:00:06,899 --> 00:00:09,491 [suspenseful music] 5 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,010 Christine: I am the mom here. 6 00:00:11,237 --> 00:00:12,736 I don't mean to be pushy, but responsibility-- 7 00:00:12,755 --> 00:00:14,662 That's got to come first. 8 00:00:14,757 --> 00:00:18,075 Joe: Christine, her boyfriend, chantal, and my other two boys, 9 00:00:18,168 --> 00:00:20,502 Jordan and joey, all live together 10 00:00:20,596 --> 00:00:22,855 In a small studio apartment. 11 00:00:23,006 --> 00:00:24,748 Jordan: My family is pretty tight knit, 12 00:00:24,841 --> 00:00:26,600 But everybody who lives in the apartment 13 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:28,193 Is addicted to fentanyl. 14 00:00:28,420 --> 00:00:30,437 [suspenseful music] 15 00:00:30,531 --> 00:00:33,940 Chantal: I shoot up five or six times a day. 16 00:00:34,093 --> 00:00:35,016 Oh. 17 00:00:35,036 --> 00:00:36,201 Let me see your torch. 18 00:00:36,353 --> 00:00:38,762 I was using meth probably 20 years 19 00:00:38,855 --> 00:00:40,522 Before I ever tried fentanyl. 20 00:00:40,616 --> 00:00:42,616 I hope my dad doesn't see that. 21 00:00:42,768 --> 00:00:45,026 Joe: The day a parent uses drugs with their child 22 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,604 Is kind of shocking. 23 00:00:47,623 --> 00:00:49,214 What's your name. 24 00:00:49,441 --> 00:00:52,442 Last time joey od'ed, took two narcan. 25 00:00:52,461 --> 00:00:55,554 My role is to make sure they keep living. 26 00:00:59,134 --> 00:01:01,468 Christine: Overdoses started happening more and more 27 00:01:01,620 --> 00:01:04,563 In the last year, and I know it's because she's 28 00:01:04,714 --> 00:01:06,047 Away from her son. 29 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:09,050 I've chosen drugs over my son. 30 00:01:09,144 --> 00:01:10,460 Joe: Jordan. - Yeah. 31 00:01:10,554 --> 00:01:11,795 You want to come outside and help me? 32 00:01:11,888 --> 00:01:13,739 Wait, 'cause I'm going to take a hit. 33 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:16,391 My dad's worried about all of us, but he's kind of just 34 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:20,320 Grown to accept the fact that he can't change what we do. 35 00:01:20,472 --> 00:01:22,155 Joe: What I do now for them is virtually nothing. 36 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:24,416 You 100% enabled them. 37 00:01:24,643 --> 00:01:26,401 Sylvia parsons: I am working this intervention 38 00:01:26,495 --> 00:01:29,588 With ken seeley because this is a really tough one. 39 00:01:29,815 --> 00:01:32,574 Do you think joe has addiction issues? 40 00:01:32,593 --> 00:01:33,817 How can you not? 41 00:01:33,836 --> 00:01:37,721 [music playing] 42 00:01:50,927 --> 00:01:52,686 So I have to ask you, because you're 43 00:01:52,838 --> 00:01:54,262 Around a lot of drug use. 44 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:55,572 Are you using drugs now? 45 00:01:58,177 --> 00:01:58,859 No. 46 00:01:58,953 --> 00:02:00,677 I don't use the drugs. 47 00:02:00,770 --> 00:02:02,437 I don't use-- they do nothing to me. 48 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:05,457 I'll go through the motions, but I don't use drugs. 49 00:02:05,684 --> 00:02:07,200 It's not making sense to me because you 50 00:02:07,294 --> 00:02:09,536 Said you don't do drugs, but-- 51 00:02:09,688 --> 00:02:11,279 --But I'll pick up the pipe. 52 00:02:11,373 --> 00:02:13,114 I don't do anything. 53 00:02:13,208 --> 00:02:15,025 Look in my eyes do I look like I'm a methamphetamine? 54 00:02:15,118 --> 00:02:16,969 Ken seeley: It's a yes or no question. 55 00:02:17,196 --> 00:02:19,621 Are you doing drugs and drinking right now? 56 00:02:19,715 --> 00:02:21,456 To me that's a tough answer. 57 00:02:21,550 --> 00:02:23,717 It's a yes or no question. 58 00:02:23,811 --> 00:02:25,035 Are you-- - ok. 59 00:02:25,053 --> 00:02:26,645 --Drinking and doing drugs right now? 60 00:02:26,796 --> 00:02:27,962 I will take a drink of alcohol, 61 00:02:27,982 --> 00:02:31,208 And I will take a hit of meth. 62 00:02:31,301 --> 00:02:32,634 Ken seeley: And how often? 63 00:02:32,653 --> 00:02:35,228 Today I took two hits of meth. 64 00:02:35,381 --> 00:02:38,157 Yesterday I took a few hits of meth, too. 65 00:02:38,384 --> 00:02:40,492 Ken seeley: With five people using fentanyl, 66 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:43,645 And dad using meth, this is one of the biggest 67 00:02:43,739 --> 00:02:45,831 Interventions in my career. 68 00:02:46,058 --> 00:02:49,668 I am surprised that they haven't lost one or more 69 00:02:49,819 --> 00:02:52,504 Of their family members from their addiction. 70 00:02:52,731 --> 00:02:55,248 And we got to move quickly on this, because I don't 71 00:02:55,401 --> 00:02:56,583 Think they have much longer. 72 00:02:56,735 --> 00:03:01,847 [suspenseful music] 73 00:03:01,998 --> 00:03:05,759 The problem is is that joe dabbling into meth, 74 00:03:05,911 --> 00:03:07,335 And drinking on and off-- 75 00:03:07,429 --> 00:03:09,913 When you talk about denial. 76 00:03:09,932 --> 00:03:13,007 He thinks he's the savior in the family, 77 00:03:13,027 --> 00:03:15,268 And he can't connect the dots. 78 00:03:15,362 --> 00:03:18,346 It sounds like he's doing a lot of enabling, 79 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,943 But he's using that enabling concept to feel like he's 80 00:03:23,037 --> 00:03:26,521 Helping the family, but really it's feeding his addiction. 81 00:03:26,615 --> 00:03:28,189 And that is an addiction. 82 00:03:28,209 --> 00:03:30,617 He's addicted to taking care of them, 83 00:03:30,769 --> 00:03:34,621 But taking care of that family is really killing that family. 84 00:03:34,715 --> 00:03:37,624 Sylvia parsons: I think it's very important that we address 85 00:03:37,776 --> 00:03:40,944 Joe's addiction and get him into treatment, 86 00:03:40,963 --> 00:03:44,281 Because they all need to go. 87 00:03:44,299 --> 00:03:48,727 And if they don't all go, then the family will not get well. 88 00:03:48,878 --> 00:03:49,728 They will not get healthy. 89 00:03:53,141 --> 00:03:56,526 [music playing] 90 00:04:02,651 --> 00:04:05,077 Chantal: My family moved into the apartment 91 00:04:05,228 --> 00:04:08,580 That we're in right now about three years ago. 92 00:04:08,807 --> 00:04:10,249 Every one around here is such pigs. 93 00:04:10,476 --> 00:04:11,917 It's crazy. 94 00:04:12,144 --> 00:04:14,586 We live in such small quarters that everyone 95 00:04:14,813 --> 00:04:16,162 Needs to be cleaning up for themselves 96 00:04:16,257 --> 00:04:19,499 At all [bleep] times. 97 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:23,987 I love my family members, but the apartment-- it's just 98 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,507 So small, and there's no room. 99 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,826 Joey: Joey, you got the lighter? 100 00:04:29,919 --> 00:04:32,662 Thank you. 101 00:04:32,756 --> 00:04:35,256 I spend a lot of time with my family. 102 00:04:35,276 --> 00:04:39,352 On average, I'm here about four nights a week 103 00:04:39,505 --> 00:04:44,174 I'm trying to have another life, but my family is priority. 104 00:04:44,267 --> 00:04:46,359 Christine: Even though joe and I are divorced, 105 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:49,604 We have three beautiful children together. 106 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:51,272 Joe: There was a time when we were 107 00:04:51,292 --> 00:04:54,626 A normal family, did everything you're supposed to do. 108 00:04:54,778 --> 00:05:00,206 Barbecues, friends, soccer games on saturdays. 109 00:05:00,359 --> 00:05:02,968 Those days are over. 110 00:05:03,119 --> 00:05:05,378 Chantal: Everyone who lives in the apartment is 111 00:05:05,472 --> 00:05:07,455 Addicted to fentanyl and meth. 112 00:05:07,549 --> 00:05:10,717 [suspenseful music] 113 00:05:10,869 --> 00:05:11,476 Jordan: Mom? 114 00:05:11,628 --> 00:05:12,627 Christine: Yeah? 115 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:13,870 Jordan: Do you have a lighter? 116 00:05:13,889 --> 00:05:15,296 Christine: Yes. 117 00:05:15,390 --> 00:05:18,708 I have something to smoke out of. 118 00:05:18,802 --> 00:05:20,802 I never in a million years thought 119 00:05:20,896 --> 00:05:22,154 That I would be-- 120 00:05:29,479 --> 00:05:31,145 Thank you. 121 00:05:31,165 --> 00:05:33,481 Chantal: --But it's become just natural to us now. 122 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:35,909 It's just us kind of bonding. 123 00:05:36,061 --> 00:05:37,652 Here you go. 124 00:05:37,671 --> 00:05:39,921 Fentanyl has just absolutely destroyed our family. 125 00:05:43,177 --> 00:05:46,069 My daughter and her children-- 126 00:05:46,088 --> 00:05:50,331 Their drug use has become normalized, 127 00:05:50,425 --> 00:05:53,910 And it has brought them all together. 128 00:05:54,003 --> 00:05:57,004 It's just absolutely heartbreaking. 129 00:05:57,099 --> 00:05:57,856 Joe: Hey, jordan. 130 00:05:58,083 --> 00:05:58,765 Jordan. 131 00:05:58,859 --> 00:05:59,916 What? 132 00:06:00,009 --> 00:06:01,101 Joe: You want to come help me? 133 00:06:01,253 --> 00:06:02,769 Oh, not right this second. Joe: Ok. 134 00:06:02,863 --> 00:06:04,254 Joey, you want to help? - I'll help you in a minute. 135 00:06:04,347 --> 00:06:05,755 Joe: Christine, do you want to help? 136 00:06:05,849 --> 00:06:07,366 Dad, I'll help you. I will help you. 137 00:06:07,517 --> 00:06:08,683 Joe: All right. I'm just asking. 138 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:09,926 Ok. Joe: I'm just asking. 139 00:06:10,019 --> 00:06:12,429 Christine: Fentanyl has made my family 140 00:06:12,447 --> 00:06:14,021 Incapable of doing anything. 141 00:06:14,116 --> 00:06:18,602 It's-- it's debilitating. 142 00:06:18,620 --> 00:06:20,620 Joe: They have no life anymore. 143 00:06:20,714 --> 00:06:23,531 They can't do anything without thinking about their drugs. 144 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:25,884 They're always there, always ready to take a hit. 145 00:06:28,705 --> 00:06:31,798 I'm thinking this is about done. 146 00:06:31,892 --> 00:06:33,617 Christine, you want to come eat? Jordan: Oh. 147 00:06:33,635 --> 00:06:35,042 Yeah, yeah. We're coming right now. 148 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:36,043 Coming to eat. 149 00:06:36,063 --> 00:06:36,803 What is this? 150 00:06:36,955 --> 00:06:37,729 Are those hot dogs? 151 00:06:37,956 --> 00:06:38,638 Look. 152 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:39,564 He overcooks everything. 153 00:06:39,716 --> 00:06:40,715 Look at that. 154 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:42,308 Almost burned. 155 00:06:42,461 --> 00:06:43,960 When my dad comes around, it's a little different 156 00:06:44,053 --> 00:06:45,570 Than it is with my mother. 157 00:06:45,722 --> 00:06:47,797 Our relationship is, like, we use drugs together, me 158 00:06:47,891 --> 00:06:49,891 And my mom, but me and my dad had never 159 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:51,893 Really had that relationship. 160 00:06:51,912 --> 00:06:54,137 But he's got a drug addiction like the rest of us, 161 00:06:54,156 --> 00:06:56,473 And he just doesn't like to admit it. 162 00:06:56,491 --> 00:06:59,142 I don't know why. 163 00:06:59,235 --> 00:07:01,645 Joe: I wanted them to come out, but I knew that they wouldn't 164 00:07:01,663 --> 00:07:03,163 Because they'd have to leave their drugs 165 00:07:03,315 --> 00:07:04,906 For a whole 10 minutes. 166 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:05,665 Thank you, joe. 167 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,985 Yeah, you're welcome. 168 00:07:09,004 --> 00:07:12,155 Christine: Did you just take my foil? 169 00:07:12,248 --> 00:07:14,007 It just shows you that the drugs 170 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:16,768 Have taken over every aspect of everything in their lives. 171 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,252 Thank you. 172 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:19,496 Yeah. Joey, are you going to eat? 173 00:07:19,589 --> 00:07:20,605 Joey, you want to eat a burger with us? 174 00:07:20,832 --> 00:07:21,440 Joey: No. 175 00:07:28,690 --> 00:07:30,949 [suspenseful music] 176 00:07:31,176 --> 00:07:32,025 Hamburgers are good. 177 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:32,951 Why won't you eat? 178 00:07:38,107 --> 00:07:40,274 Celeste: For the last few years, joey 179 00:07:40,294 --> 00:07:45,855 Has had episodes of drug-induced schizophrenia, where he's 180 00:07:45,949 --> 00:07:48,708 Really mental and incoherent. 181 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:52,045 It's very scary. 182 00:07:52,197 --> 00:07:56,290 I love my brother, but I worry about him. 183 00:07:56,384 --> 00:07:59,978 He's always stealing drugs from every one of my family members. 184 00:08:00,205 --> 00:08:00,962 Beep, beep. 185 00:08:01,056 --> 00:08:01,721 Coming through. 186 00:08:01,873 --> 00:08:03,965 What are you doing? 187 00:08:03,984 --> 00:08:05,558 Nothing. 188 00:08:05,711 --> 00:08:09,379 Why do you have my cottons in your hand? 189 00:08:09,472 --> 00:08:11,490 I came out of the bathroom and joey 190 00:08:11,717 --> 00:08:15,902 Had my cottons in his hand and my personal spoon 191 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:17,403 That I use for my shots. 192 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:20,390 Put it all down. 193 00:08:20,408 --> 00:08:22,834 No. 194 00:08:22,986 --> 00:08:27,580 It worries me that joey is going to do this to the wrong person, 195 00:08:27,733 --> 00:08:30,675 And end up dead somewhere and in a ditch. 196 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,420 What did he just-- 197 00:08:34,515 --> 00:08:37,349 You're not taking your sister's bong, you're smoking it. 198 00:08:37,576 --> 00:08:38,925 You have no business to do speed at all. 199 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:40,577 None. 200 00:08:40,595 --> 00:08:41,335 You're (bleep). 201 00:08:41,429 --> 00:08:43,688 Get out of my room. 202 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,858 I don't like who you are when you are smoking speed. 203 00:08:47,085 --> 00:08:48,175 You're mean. 204 00:08:48,270 --> 00:08:50,028 You're miserable. 205 00:08:50,179 --> 00:08:53,514 You make up conspiracy theories in your head that aren't true. 206 00:08:53,608 --> 00:08:56,109 Jordan: Joey, he's so paranoid all the time for some reason. 207 00:08:56,203 --> 00:08:59,429 It's just hard for us to be in a studio apartment with him. 208 00:08:59,522 --> 00:09:00,705 You're my [bleep] brother. 209 00:09:00,932 --> 00:09:03,208 Don't make me scared to be around you. 210 00:09:03,435 --> 00:09:07,045 Ileen: Intervention is so important because they're 211 00:09:07,272 --> 00:09:08,046 All out of control. 212 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:13,126 [door kicked] 213 00:09:13,278 --> 00:09:16,555 If I lost any of them, I would die. 214 00:09:16,782 --> 00:09:18,205 I would die. 215 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:19,724 Fentanyl and speed-- 216 00:09:19,951 --> 00:09:21,301 I'm in love with it. 217 00:09:21,395 --> 00:09:23,228 Dylann: Drugs normally tear families apart, 218 00:09:23,455 --> 00:09:25,897 But with my family it's brought in them together. 219 00:09:26,124 --> 00:09:27,882 They are all enabling each other, 220 00:09:27,901 --> 00:09:30,476 And making each other more sick. 221 00:09:30,571 --> 00:09:31,978 Here. 222 00:09:32,130 --> 00:09:35,056 If any one of them die, the rest of them 223 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:37,300 Will have no reason to live. 224 00:09:37,319 --> 00:09:39,986 No doubt in my mind at all, whatsoever. 225 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,996 We will lose them all. 226 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:49,570 Christine: Chantal, you're going to find out in life there's not 227 00:09:49,664 --> 00:09:50,905 Too many people you can trust, and you have to be careful 228 00:09:50,999 --> 00:09:52,148 Who you let in your life. 229 00:09:52,167 --> 00:09:53,149 I'm co-dependent. 230 00:09:53,168 --> 00:09:54,500 I need someone. 231 00:09:54,653 --> 00:09:55,260 You got me. 232 00:09:55,411 --> 00:09:56,243 I'll be here. 233 00:09:56,263 --> 00:09:57,654 I need a man. 234 00:09:57,747 --> 00:09:58,838 Christine: No, you don't need a man. 235 00:09:58,990 --> 00:10:00,599 That's the worst thing you can say. 236 00:10:00,750 --> 00:10:04,010 You know, what you're missing in your life is your son. 237 00:10:04,162 --> 00:10:05,437 My grandson is eight now. 238 00:10:05,664 --> 00:10:09,090 I know that he wants to know where his mother is. 239 00:10:09,184 --> 00:10:14,095 He loves her, and he needs her. 240 00:10:14,189 --> 00:10:18,007 Chantal: It's been about four years since I've seen my son. 241 00:10:18,026 --> 00:10:20,744 The time that we had together was so-- 242 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:26,583 Just-- sorry. 243 00:10:30,856 --> 00:10:33,465 So blessing, but so unfair. 244 00:10:33,692 --> 00:10:38,119 Like we were best friends, and like just abruptly 245 00:10:38,213 --> 00:10:40,805 One day we're-- we're-- 246 00:10:41,032 --> 00:10:43,549 Like just split up. 247 00:10:43,702 --> 00:10:45,810 Four years raising him, four years without him. 248 00:10:46,037 --> 00:10:46,719 Yeah. 249 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:47,646 I understand, chantal. 250 00:10:47,873 --> 00:10:49,296 I do, but-- 251 00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:50,874 You don't, though, because you had your kids 252 00:10:50,892 --> 00:10:51,983 When you were on drugs. 253 00:10:52,135 --> 00:10:52,817 Christine: I did have my kids, but-- 254 00:10:53,044 --> 00:10:54,060 I know. 255 00:10:54,212 --> 00:10:55,378 Christine: I probably should have 256 00:10:55,397 --> 00:10:56,303 Let someone else raise them, and maybe 257 00:10:56,398 --> 00:10:57,155 They wouldn't be on drugs. 258 00:10:57,306 --> 00:11:00,158 Chantal: Exactly my point. 259 00:11:00,309 --> 00:11:02,661 I just hope that one day I can sit 260 00:11:02,812 --> 00:11:06,814 Down and explain everything to him, and that he'll understand. 261 00:11:06,833 --> 00:11:09,909 And I hope that he will because I did with my mom, 262 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:13,487 And I gave her a chance, and now she's my best friend. 263 00:11:13,507 --> 00:11:15,173 Ow, that that burnt for some reason. 264 00:11:21,998 --> 00:11:23,423 Sylvia parsons: It's good to see you. 265 00:11:23,575 --> 00:11:24,683 Ileen: It's good to see you. 266 00:11:24,910 --> 00:11:26,242 Sylvia parsons: This is the largest 267 00:11:26,261 --> 00:11:28,186 Intervention I've ever done. 268 00:11:28,337 --> 00:11:31,581 In all of my experience in the field of addiction, 269 00:11:31,599 --> 00:11:36,436 I've never seen a family as sick and broken as this family. 270 00:11:36,588 --> 00:11:39,439 So I'd like to start it off with opening it up 271 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:43,092 Where you guys tell us what has been going on. 272 00:11:43,111 --> 00:11:45,704 I've worried about them since I was nine years old, 273 00:11:45,931 --> 00:11:48,206 And first became aware of what they were doing. 274 00:11:48,433 --> 00:11:50,524 Ken seeley: How long has it been since you've seen them? 275 00:11:50,618 --> 00:11:51,935 I saw joey a few years ago. 276 00:11:51,953 --> 00:11:53,603 When was the last time you talked to him? 277 00:11:53,696 --> 00:11:55,547 Less than a month ago we talked on the phone. 278 00:11:55,698 --> 00:12:00,293 I'm really close to joey and we keep in contact. 279 00:12:00,445 --> 00:12:02,612 Joey could have done anything he ever wanted to, 280 00:12:02,705 --> 00:12:05,706 But I don't think joey ever had a chance 281 00:12:05,726 --> 00:12:08,301 Growing up in this situation. 282 00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:10,636 I had a nephew that just passed away a couple of weeks 283 00:12:10,731 --> 00:12:13,456 Ago from overdose of fentanyl. 284 00:12:13,475 --> 00:12:16,960 In california it's so big because we have los angeles, 285 00:12:17,053 --> 00:12:19,128 San francisco, and mexico. 286 00:12:19,147 --> 00:12:21,314 Those are the three big ports that it's 287 00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:24,317 Coming in from, so you're right in the mecca of it all. 288 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:26,060 It's a miracle that they're all still here 289 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:28,079 For us to be able to do this. 290 00:12:28,306 --> 00:12:30,564 Where do they get the money for these drugs? 291 00:12:30,658 --> 00:12:33,734 It began with me supporting them, 292 00:12:33,754 --> 00:12:36,403 Giving them what they asked for. 293 00:12:36,423 --> 00:12:39,090 If I wanted them to eat or get out of bed, 294 00:12:39,317 --> 00:12:41,167 They had to have it, and then I'd go get it. 295 00:12:41,261 --> 00:12:44,262 And so I had to do it. 296 00:12:44,489 --> 00:12:47,915 Ken seeley: That type of enabling is called nursing 297 00:12:48,009 --> 00:12:49,342 Your loved ones to death. 298 00:12:49,494 --> 00:12:52,086 Joe: I recognize that it's killing them. 299 00:12:52,105 --> 00:12:54,013 That's why I got to pull back. 300 00:12:54,165 --> 00:12:55,607 Sylvia parsons: Ok. 301 00:12:55,758 --> 00:12:58,276 You need to put your foot down and keep it down. 302 00:12:58,503 --> 00:13:01,262 None of the sober family members know 303 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:04,857 That joe is addicted to meth. 304 00:13:04,951 --> 00:13:07,026 He has a lot of denial issues. 305 00:13:07,178 --> 00:13:10,196 He enables his children by using with them. 306 00:13:10,348 --> 00:13:13,032 He doesn't know we're going to intervene on him tomorrow 307 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:15,276 As well, but that's something we'll have to discuss 308 00:13:15,295 --> 00:13:17,962 With everyone after he leaves. 309 00:13:18,189 --> 00:13:21,207 So tomorrow, the way this is going to work 310 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:24,969 Is we're going to stagger the interventions. 311 00:13:25,121 --> 00:13:28,807 We want mom to come in first and her boyfriend tim 312 00:13:28,958 --> 00:13:31,551 Because we think christine's going to want some help. 313 00:13:31,645 --> 00:13:35,221 So now she's going to say at chantal's intervention, 314 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:37,373 I'm going to get help. 315 00:13:37,466 --> 00:13:39,133 I really want you to go get help. 316 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:41,394 And then we'll do the boys last. 317 00:13:41,546 --> 00:13:42,654 We'll do them together. 318 00:13:42,881 --> 00:13:44,213 And the reason we're doing it this way 319 00:13:44,307 --> 00:13:46,049 Because I really think that the boys are 320 00:13:46,142 --> 00:13:47,975 Going to be the hardest ones. 321 00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:50,662 Jordan and joey got addicted so early 322 00:13:50,889 --> 00:13:54,833 In life they have never experienced seeing what 323 00:13:54,984 --> 00:13:58,394 A normal upbringing would be, and getting sober 324 00:13:58,487 --> 00:14:01,414 Could be a really scary concept to them. 325 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:05,918 So we'll break it down to the three interventions, 326 00:14:06,012 --> 00:14:06,919 Instead of just the one. 327 00:14:07,013 --> 00:14:07,679 That's perfect. 328 00:14:13,169 --> 00:14:14,269 You guys probably did it all. 329 00:14:18,174 --> 00:14:20,441 It's about six grams of fentanyl. 330 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:25,088 I don't know. 331 00:14:25,106 --> 00:14:28,032 However much I feel like putting it in. 332 00:14:28,259 --> 00:14:35,540 Definitely things like losing my son. 333 00:14:39,862 --> 00:14:41,528 Ken seeley: How are we going to change 334 00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:45,199 The cycle of this family system so it doesn't 335 00:14:45,293 --> 00:14:48,202 Go on to other generations? 336 00:14:48,296 --> 00:14:49,779 Have any of you did drugs? 337 00:14:49,872 --> 00:14:51,372 Have you did drugs with your siblings, 338 00:14:51,466 --> 00:14:54,208 Or-- so you're the only one? 339 00:14:54,302 --> 00:14:56,285 You want to explain it to them? 340 00:14:56,304 --> 00:14:58,121 It's too complex to explain. 341 00:14:58,214 --> 00:15:00,047 People understand my words, but they 342 00:15:00,141 --> 00:15:02,291 Don't understand the situation. 343 00:15:02,385 --> 00:15:04,143 Yesterday they're passing the pipe around. 344 00:15:04,295 --> 00:15:06,312 I took a hit or two. 345 00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:08,648 It wasn't enough to do anything to me and I don't even-- 346 00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:12,802 I didn't even fully inhale or take a hit like they do. 347 00:15:12,895 --> 00:15:14,728 It was just that I'm one of them still. 348 00:15:14,822 --> 00:15:18,157 And they can accept me and allow me to be in their world 349 00:15:18,309 --> 00:15:19,584 And I can understand them better. 350 00:15:19,811 --> 00:15:21,494 It doesn't mean that you smoke with them. 351 00:15:21,646 --> 00:15:23,570 No, that doesn't mean you are taking it? 352 00:15:23,665 --> 00:15:25,998 What do you hear your dad saying? 353 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,668 I hear excuses. 354 00:15:28,762 --> 00:15:34,415 He doesn't like to be confronted that he has addiction issues 355 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:36,676 And he won't admit it. 356 00:15:36,828 --> 00:15:38,494 Makes it continue to be ok. 357 00:15:38,587 --> 00:15:41,422 But that's not what it is. 358 00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:44,167 If it were, I would admit it. 359 00:15:44,185 --> 00:15:45,851 Dylann: It was devastating when I found out 360 00:15:46,004 --> 00:15:47,928 That my dad was using drugs. 361 00:15:47,948 --> 00:15:50,431 I think he's in denial about his addiction 362 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,933 Because it's so normal to him. 363 00:15:53,027 --> 00:15:55,936 If they got better I wouldn't have a problem because I 364 00:15:56,030 --> 00:15:57,288 Wouldn't know what to do. 365 00:15:57,515 --> 00:15:59,865 You're addicted and taking care of them 366 00:16:00,018 --> 00:16:06,130 And, that is just as powerful as shooting fentanyl in your arm. 367 00:16:06,282 --> 00:16:09,192 Sylvia and I could see that joe is struggling, 368 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:12,286 So once he's gone we're going to regroup the family 369 00:16:12,305 --> 00:16:15,364 And let them know that we're going to offer joe help, too. 370 00:16:15,458 --> 00:16:18,701 But the reality is is he's really sick, 371 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,870 And they're not going to get better 372 00:16:20,888 --> 00:16:22,388 If he doesn't get better. 373 00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:25,057 So we're going to offer him treatment tomorrow, too, 374 00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:28,135 And we need to ask you tonight when you're writing letters 375 00:16:28,229 --> 00:16:29,879 To also write him a letter. 376 00:16:29,972 --> 00:16:32,548 And this way, everybody goes. 377 00:16:32,641 --> 00:16:34,975 So tomorrow we're going to have you guys 378 00:16:35,069 --> 00:16:37,495 Start with your letters to him. 379 00:16:37,646 --> 00:16:40,406 This is going to be the largest intervention I have ever done 380 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:42,816 In my career of over 20 years. 381 00:16:42,910 --> 00:16:45,561 All it will take is one to say no 382 00:16:45,654 --> 00:16:48,080 And it's going to have a domino effect. 383 00:16:48,174 --> 00:16:49,674 So it's do or die. 384 00:16:49,901 --> 00:16:52,251 They don't really have any other options. 385 00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:54,828 They're all going to treatment or they're all going 386 00:16:54,922 --> 00:16:56,472 To end up overdosing and dying. 387 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:05,523 Jordan: Chantal. 388 00:17:05,674 --> 00:17:07,007 Hey, chan. 389 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:09,694 Chantal? 390 00:17:09,845 --> 00:17:12,772 Chantal has overdosed on fentanyl quite a few times, 391 00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:17,035 So I always try to keep narcan with me or around me 392 00:17:17,262 --> 00:17:19,353 Or put it on the wall so you can't miss it. 393 00:17:19,447 --> 00:17:22,206 I've saved chantal's life about close to five times myself. 394 00:17:22,433 --> 00:17:23,599 It's scary. 395 00:17:23,618 --> 00:17:24,834 Is she breathing? 396 00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:34,886 Sylvia parsons: We've talked about a lot of things 397 00:17:35,113 --> 00:17:37,780 The last couple of days, and I know a lot of things 398 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:40,283 Have been on your mind. 399 00:17:40,301 --> 00:17:45,621 So joe, we want to talk to you for a few minutes, ok? 400 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,068 Joe has no idea we're starting today's intervention with him, 401 00:17:50,219 --> 00:17:53,479 But it's really important for us to get him the help 402 00:17:53,631 --> 00:17:57,057 That he needs because if they all go to treatment 403 00:17:57,077 --> 00:18:01,228 And he's left behind, he will fall deeper 404 00:18:01,247 --> 00:18:03,322 Into his disease of addiction. 405 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:07,810 This family loves you and today they want to honor you. 406 00:18:07,829 --> 00:18:08,920 Ok. 407 00:18:09,147 --> 00:18:10,830 Dylann. 408 00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:15,818 Dear dad, I'm writing to you today because I love you. 409 00:18:15,911 --> 00:18:18,838 It's so heartbreaking the way this life 410 00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:21,340 Has become normal to you. 411 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:24,327 I want to have a closer relationship with you. 412 00:18:24,420 --> 00:18:27,179 I want to be proud to call you my dad. 413 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:29,348 Do this for my siblings. 414 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,109 They need you. 415 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:36,072 I need you. Will you please, please get help today? 416 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:42,436 So what they've offered is a treatment center for 90 days, 417 00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:44,680 Just like your kids. 418 00:18:44,773 --> 00:18:46,866 New dawn treatment center in fair oaks, 419 00:18:47,018 --> 00:18:49,368 California for 90 days. 420 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,036 Sylvia parsons: If you go, joe, your children 421 00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:52,421 Will also follow you. 422 00:18:57,804 --> 00:18:59,195 [sighs]. 423 00:18:59,288 --> 00:19:00,787 I'll take care of everything, joe. 424 00:19:00,882 --> 00:19:02,531 Don't worry about anything. 425 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:04,049 Just take care of you. - There's a lot to take care of. 426 00:19:04,202 --> 00:19:05,201 I know. 427 00:19:05,219 --> 00:19:05,977 I've been preparing for it. 428 00:19:06,204 --> 00:19:06,811 I'm ok. 429 00:19:07,038 --> 00:19:08,371 It'll be ok. 430 00:19:08,464 --> 00:19:11,983 So joe, it's a yes or no question. 431 00:19:12,210 --> 00:19:14,226 I stay for this the rest of this, right? 432 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,969 Ken seeley: Of course. 433 00:19:16,063 --> 00:19:17,638 You're going to lead by example, and you're going to tell 434 00:19:17,732 --> 00:19:18,823 Your kids you're going, too. 435 00:19:21,569 --> 00:19:23,235 I'd like to go. 436 00:19:23,388 --> 00:19:24,069 Sylvia parsons: Yes. 437 00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:25,237 I think that's a yes. 438 00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:27,481 Ileen: Oh, my sweet joe. 439 00:19:27,575 --> 00:19:30,409 Oh, my sweet joe. 440 00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:34,672 Joe: I'm not prepared to go, but I realize I've got to. 441 00:19:34,899 --> 00:19:36,990 I can't expect these guys to go, and not 442 00:19:37,084 --> 00:19:38,234 Be willing to do the same. 443 00:19:38,327 --> 00:19:39,677 Ken seeley: Now you're going to be 444 00:19:39,828 --> 00:19:41,904 Able to read your letters to your kids and say, 445 00:19:41,923 --> 00:19:43,739 I'm going to treatment. 446 00:19:43,758 --> 00:19:45,850 I'm leaving when everyone else leaves. 447 00:19:46,001 --> 00:19:50,095 Dylann: I think my dad said yes because he knows that it will 448 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:54,508 Help my other siblings get help, and I think that's really 449 00:19:54,602 --> 00:19:55,776 All he's ever cared about. 450 00:19:59,014 --> 00:20:01,348 Thank you. 451 00:20:01,367 --> 00:20:02,608 Christine: Are you ready, tim? 452 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,276 We'll be back in a couple of hours. 453 00:20:04,429 --> 00:20:05,261 Tim: A couple of hours? 454 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:08,372 [music playing] 455 00:20:13,287 --> 00:20:14,861 So how is everybody feeling? 456 00:20:14,956 --> 00:20:15,862 Dylann: A little anxious. 457 00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:16,956 Nervous. 458 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:20,459 I just want to get them in here. 459 00:20:20,611 --> 00:20:21,293 Joe. 460 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:23,112 Don't give her an out. 461 00:20:23,205 --> 00:20:24,538 Joe: I'm not going to give her an out. 462 00:20:24,632 --> 00:20:27,391 [music playing] 463 00:20:33,458 --> 00:20:34,214 Oh. 464 00:20:34,308 --> 00:20:36,308 Christine: Hey, ma. 465 00:20:36,461 --> 00:20:37,309 Joe: Hello, people. 466 00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:38,811 My name's ken. 467 00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:40,646 And I'm sylvia. 468 00:20:40,798 --> 00:20:42,389 We've been working with your family for a couple of days 469 00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:43,890 Now, ok? 470 00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:46,652 And they've written letters to you 471 00:20:46,804 --> 00:20:51,323 And we would like for you to listen, ok? 472 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:54,994 Ileen, would you like to read something to your daughter? 473 00:20:55,146 --> 00:21:01,150 Dear christine, I am more than concerned about you. 474 00:21:01,168 --> 00:21:02,743 I am terrified. 475 00:21:02,837 --> 00:21:05,763 I cannot lose you to addiction. 476 00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:10,083 I cannot lose my grandchildren to addiction. 477 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:16,399 The help is here now, and was sent by our heavenly father. 478 00:21:21,447 --> 00:21:25,190 Sylvia parsons: Christine, we'd like to get you some help. 479 00:21:25,343 --> 00:21:27,176 Ok. 480 00:21:27,269 --> 00:21:28,769 Would you like to go get better? 481 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:30,270 Would you like decent treatment? 482 00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:31,104 Sure. 483 00:21:31,198 --> 00:21:32,790 Sylvia parsons: Yes. 484 00:21:33,017 --> 00:21:34,700 Oh, thank goodness. 485 00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:36,035 [clapping] 486 00:21:36,187 --> 00:21:36,869 Ileen: I can do it. 487 00:21:37,021 --> 00:21:38,187 I know. 488 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,372 She's been waiting for this day 489 00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:43,042 For a long time for treatment. 490 00:21:43,194 --> 00:21:44,193 Joe: I'm going, too. 491 00:21:44,211 --> 00:21:45,970 Ileen: I figured. 492 00:21:46,197 --> 00:21:50,624 I'm just absolutely delighted, and belated, and grateful. 493 00:21:50,718 --> 00:21:52,125 Ken seeley: And tim, what about you? 494 00:21:52,219 --> 00:21:54,312 Do you think you need help? 495 00:21:54,539 --> 00:21:55,387 Sure. 496 00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:56,647 Ken seeley: Ok. 497 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,040 Because we also have a place lined up 498 00:21:58,133 --> 00:22:00,376 For you if you're interested. 499 00:22:00,469 --> 00:22:01,110 Tim: Sure. 500 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:07,716 [clapping] 501 00:22:07,735 --> 00:22:09,493 Ken seeley: So the place in san diego 502 00:22:09,645 --> 00:22:13,722 Is health, life, recovery, and they're outside waiting for you 503 00:22:13,741 --> 00:22:15,649 To take you to treatment. 504 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:20,487 Our christine is going to stay because we need her support 505 00:22:20,581 --> 00:22:23,415 In the next few things that are getting ready to happen, 506 00:22:23,568 --> 00:22:26,919 But christine, you can go outside and say goodbye to him. 507 00:22:27,071 --> 00:22:31,182 Ileen: When tim said yes, I was so happy 508 00:22:31,409 --> 00:22:35,761 Because I know how much that means to christine's 509 00:22:35,855 --> 00:22:36,812 Treatment and success. 510 00:22:41,085 --> 00:22:43,677 Am I going to go back to the house? 511 00:22:43,771 --> 00:22:45,196 If there's anything you need, we'll 512 00:22:45,347 --> 00:22:47,180 Have it sent to you after. 513 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,699 One of the family members is going to go through the house 514 00:22:48,926 --> 00:22:50,451 And put together everybody's personal things. 515 00:22:53,431 --> 00:22:54,187 I can't go. 516 00:22:54,207 --> 00:22:56,615 I'm not going to go now. 517 00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:57,691 I'm not going now. 518 00:22:57,785 --> 00:22:58,542 I'm not going to san diego. 519 00:23:06,034 --> 00:23:08,702 Ken seeley: If tim doesn't go, then christine may not go, 520 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:10,112 And then if christine doesn't go, 521 00:23:10,205 --> 00:23:12,390 Her boys are definitely not going to go. 522 00:23:12,541 --> 00:23:14,558 And it's going to be a domino effect 523 00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:18,229 Sabotaging everybody's chances of getting into recovery. 524 00:23:18,380 --> 00:23:19,713 I'm not going to go. 525 00:23:19,732 --> 00:23:21,290 What do you mean you're not going to go? 526 00:23:21,308 --> 00:23:22,975 I got other things I got to take care of first 527 00:23:23,127 --> 00:23:24,977 Before I can just bounce. 528 00:23:25,129 --> 00:23:26,795 She can't be around you if you're a loader. 529 00:23:26,814 --> 00:23:28,297 I know. That's fine. 530 00:23:28,315 --> 00:23:31,133 So you're breaking up with her right now? 531 00:23:31,152 --> 00:23:34,728 Tim, I've invested 10 years with you. 532 00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:36,488 Ken seeley: So she's sitting here right now 533 00:23:36,641 --> 00:23:37,823 Waiting for you to go to detox. 534 00:23:37,975 --> 00:23:39,417 Yeah. 535 00:23:39,644 --> 00:23:41,493 It's about getting sober, so she'll have somebody 536 00:23:41,646 --> 00:23:43,328 To come home that's sober, too. 537 00:23:43,423 --> 00:23:45,423 Christine: Tim. 538 00:23:45,574 --> 00:23:46,257 I'm going to go. 539 00:23:51,822 --> 00:23:55,174 Sylvia parsons: This family has some serious co-dependency. 540 00:23:55,326 --> 00:23:59,103 Just like christine as a unit with her family, her children, 541 00:23:59,330 --> 00:24:02,014 She's also a unit with tim, her boyfriend. 542 00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:04,424 And it is very important that tim 543 00:24:04,444 --> 00:24:08,779 Go to treatment, so christine will go to treatment. 544 00:24:08,931 --> 00:24:09,613 Ken seeley: Bye, guys. 545 00:24:09,765 --> 00:24:10,931 Thank you. 546 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:11,690 I love you, tim. 547 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:12,599 Thank you. 548 00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:14,026 We can do this. 549 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,936 Thank you. 550 00:24:15,955 --> 00:24:17,121 I don't know if he would have got in there without you. 551 00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:26,964 [music playing] 552 00:24:27,115 --> 00:24:28,448 I'm going to take off. 553 00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:29,692 I'll see you guys in a couple of hours. 554 00:24:29,710 --> 00:24:32,803 [music playing] 555 00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:47,059 Today I brought my bong. 556 00:24:47,211 --> 00:24:48,319 This should help keep me awake. 557 00:24:53,734 --> 00:24:54,550 All right. 558 00:24:54,568 --> 00:24:55,976 My legs are weak. 559 00:24:55,995 --> 00:25:03,742 [music playing] 560 00:25:03,894 --> 00:25:04,627 Oh, my god. 561 00:25:07,732 --> 00:25:08,672 Oh, my god. 562 00:25:12,236 --> 00:25:13,493 Oh, my god. 563 00:25:13,587 --> 00:25:15,012 You're so beautiful. 564 00:25:18,333 --> 00:25:20,576 Let's you right in there 565 00:25:20,594 --> 00:25:22,594 In between your mom and dad? 566 00:25:22,747 --> 00:25:24,004 Ken seeley: And my name's ken. 567 00:25:24,098 --> 00:25:25,581 Sylvia parsons: And I'm sylvia. 568 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,507 Ken seeley: And we were called in by your family 569 00:25:27,601 --> 00:25:31,436 To see if we could help you guys and see if there's anything we 570 00:25:31,589 --> 00:25:33,422 Could do, because it sounds like there's a lot 571 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,774 Of suffering in this family. 572 00:25:35,926 --> 00:25:38,869 Dylann, did you have something you wanted to say? 573 00:25:39,021 --> 00:25:42,447 Dear chantal, I'm here today because 574 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,452 Of the unconditional love that I have for you. 575 00:25:47,547 --> 00:25:49,938 I remember when I first got to meet your son, 576 00:25:50,032 --> 00:25:53,792 My nephew, he was only a few weeks old. 577 00:25:53,886 --> 00:25:56,628 I saw the light in your eyes when you looked at him, 578 00:25:56,781 --> 00:25:59,448 And you were an amazing mother. 579 00:25:59,466 --> 00:26:01,725 You were so joyful and proud to have made 580 00:26:01,877 --> 00:26:04,711 That amazing little boy, and I can't 581 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:09,625 Imagine the hurt you feel that he's no longer in your life. 582 00:26:09,643 --> 00:26:14,479 My beautiful sister, drugs have taken you from me for so long. 583 00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:17,741 Chantal, I love you, my beautiful, shining sister. 584 00:26:20,321 --> 00:26:23,063 I love you too. 585 00:26:23,157 --> 00:26:26,325 Dad, do you want to go? 586 00:26:26,477 --> 00:26:31,663 Dear chantal, where is my little trooper? 587 00:26:31,757 --> 00:26:34,925 You've been on the brink of death too many times. 588 00:26:35,077 --> 00:26:39,671 I'm sorry this disease has gotten the best of both of us. 589 00:26:39,824 --> 00:26:43,992 I'm sorry I couldn't continue to be your rock. 590 00:26:44,011 --> 00:26:47,253 Please take this gift and run with it, 591 00:26:47,273 --> 00:26:49,331 All the way back to your son who's waiting 592 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:51,667 For you at the finish line. 593 00:26:51,685 --> 00:26:54,594 I'm going, too. 594 00:26:54,688 --> 00:26:55,779 Will you please go today? 595 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:01,101 A fresh new start. 596 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,195 Ken seeley: Even though I know it's really hard that you 597 00:27:03,347 --> 00:27:05,789 Walked away from your son for all these years, 598 00:27:05,941 --> 00:27:07,607 You did the right thing. 599 00:27:07,627 --> 00:27:10,294 But now it's time to come back and come back healthy. 600 00:27:10,445 --> 00:27:12,187 Sylvia parsons: Everybody in this room 601 00:27:12,206 --> 00:27:16,208 Knows how desperately you need help, but you need to say yes. 602 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,378 You need to say you will go. 603 00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:20,804 I'll go. 604 00:27:20,956 --> 00:27:23,456 You'll go? 605 00:27:23,476 --> 00:27:27,052 Dylann: When I heard chantal say yes, I felt a lot of relief, 606 00:27:27,204 --> 00:27:30,981 And I was just really excited. 607 00:27:31,133 --> 00:27:31,982 Chantal: I'm sorry. 608 00:27:32,134 --> 00:27:35,135 I never meant to hurt you. 609 00:27:35,229 --> 00:27:38,656 Sylvia parsons: We have been in a marathon of interventions-- 610 00:27:38,807 --> 00:27:40,974 Eight straight hours. 611 00:27:41,068 --> 00:27:46,479 So far, we've gotten four people to say yes to treatment, 612 00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:49,725 But there are a number of things that could 613 00:27:49,743 --> 00:27:52,244 Go wrong with this next one. 614 00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:55,005 So what we'd like to do now is do the intervention 615 00:27:55,232 --> 00:27:56,732 On your brothers, and we realize they're 616 00:27:56,825 --> 00:27:58,324 Going to be the harder ones. 617 00:27:58,344 --> 00:27:59,918 Yeah. 618 00:28:00,070 --> 00:28:04,164 With you participating in their intervention 619 00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:07,167 It's going to make all the difference. 620 00:28:07,186 --> 00:28:10,170 Oh, I knew my daughter chantal was ready to go to rehab, 621 00:28:10,264 --> 00:28:15,008 And now that her brothers will have something to look up to, 622 00:28:15,027 --> 00:28:17,027 I'm hoping jordan and joey will make the right choice. 623 00:28:28,115 --> 00:28:28,831 Sylvia parsons: Hey. 624 00:28:34,121 --> 00:28:38,048 And both chantal and her mom have said if the boys don't go, 625 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,550 They're not going to go, and we're 626 00:28:39,701 --> 00:28:40,943 A little afraid that they're going 627 00:28:41,036 --> 00:28:42,219 To backtrack on their illness. 628 00:28:42,446 --> 00:28:43,870 Oh, my god. 629 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:45,113 We've got to get him out of here right now. 630 00:28:45,132 --> 00:28:46,798 Ok. Let's get the van. 631 00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:50,227 Sylvia and I wanted to get joe, chantal, and christine out 632 00:28:50,454 --> 00:28:52,804 Of the house because if those boys 633 00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:56,291 Say no, they would change their mind and they wouldn't go. 634 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:57,717 [music playing] 635 00:28:57,737 --> 00:28:59,570 Ken seeley: So everybody has flights 636 00:28:59,797 --> 00:29:01,146 That are already booked, and these are 637 00:29:01,298 --> 00:29:02,573 The last flights of the day. 638 00:29:02,724 --> 00:29:03,890 As long as we can get joey going, 639 00:29:03,984 --> 00:29:04,967 That's the most important. 640 00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:06,635 Sylvia parsons: We'll do it. 641 00:29:06,653 --> 00:29:08,394 Y'all are going to have to go get on your flight. 642 00:29:08,489 --> 00:29:09,988 Like right now, so-- 643 00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:12,657 I'm not going to leave without seeing my son, 644 00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:15,068 Because he doesn't trust anybody. 645 00:29:15,087 --> 00:29:17,145 But we've got to get you to treatment, 646 00:29:17,239 --> 00:29:18,589 Otherwise you'll miss your flight. 647 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:19,739 Sylvia parsons: You know, then it's going to be 648 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:20,924 The same old thing over again. 649 00:29:21,151 --> 00:29:22,818 You're going to go back to the house. 650 00:29:22,836 --> 00:29:24,261 They won't. 651 00:29:24,488 --> 00:29:26,096 Celeste: He'll trust us christine because he'll 652 00:29:26,248 --> 00:29:27,839 Know you're gone and doing it. - They're going to be here. 653 00:29:27,992 --> 00:29:28,824 She's going to be here. 654 00:29:28,842 --> 00:29:31,009 She's going to be here. 655 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,752 And we I promise. 656 00:29:32,846 --> 00:29:34,513 I'm not going to fight. I'm not going to fight with you. 657 00:29:34,665 --> 00:29:36,089 Sylvia parsons: Don't fight it. - I'm not going to fight it. 658 00:29:36,108 --> 00:29:37,441 Sylvia parsons: No, don't fight it. 659 00:29:37,592 --> 00:29:38,609 Dad, you got to go, too. 660 00:29:38,836 --> 00:29:39,851 Come on. 661 00:29:40,004 --> 00:29:41,094 Ken seeley: Give them to somebody 662 00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:42,762 And they'll read the letters for you. 663 00:29:42,782 --> 00:29:46,008 Celeste: Ken and sylvia decided to get joe, christine, 664 00:29:46,101 --> 00:29:48,343 And chantal out of here pretty quickly 665 00:29:48,362 --> 00:29:51,013 Before joey and jordan got here at the last minute, 666 00:29:51,031 --> 00:29:53,957 And I think that was exactly what needed to be done. 667 00:29:54,109 --> 00:29:55,867 Ileen: I'm so proud of you, chan. 668 00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:58,036 You're going to be alive and well to see your son. 669 00:29:58,188 --> 00:29:59,187 That's so important. - Yes. 670 00:29:59,206 --> 00:30:00,613 Yes. 671 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:02,858 You don't have to worry about that now. 672 00:30:02,876 --> 00:30:06,303 Ken seeley: Having so many family members addicted, 673 00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:09,306 And not only addicted, but co-dependent-- 674 00:30:09,457 --> 00:30:11,308 Christine: As long as my boys go. 675 00:30:11,459 --> 00:30:13,035 We're going to take care of them. 676 00:30:13,053 --> 00:30:14,978 I won't jump ship as long as I know, they're there. 677 00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:16,629 Ken seeley: Every one of them is so 678 00:30:16,649 --> 00:30:22,377 Enmeshed in each other's life that without them being 679 00:30:22,396 --> 00:30:25,380 Separated, there's no chance that they're ever 680 00:30:25,473 --> 00:30:26,657 Going to get into recovery. 681 00:30:30,237 --> 00:30:31,219 Jordan: What's wrong, bro? 682 00:30:31,238 --> 00:30:32,329 Let's get this over with. 683 00:30:32,556 --> 00:30:33,221 Come on. 684 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,499 [music playing] 685 00:30:39,487 --> 00:30:41,563 Jordan: There you go. 686 00:30:41,582 --> 00:30:43,748 My concern is I think joey's not going to really 687 00:30:43,901 --> 00:30:45,901 Understand what's happening. 688 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:49,087 In psychosis, they don't really connect the dots. 689 00:30:49,239 --> 00:30:51,014 I will do whatever it takes. 690 00:30:51,241 --> 00:30:53,166 We'll have to just keep pushing them. 691 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:56,669 I need to figure out what I'm going to do for more dope. 692 00:30:56,763 --> 00:31:01,358 No money to get dope, and I honestly don't know what to do. 693 00:31:04,421 --> 00:31:05,195 Sylvia parsons: Dylann. 694 00:31:05,347 --> 00:31:07,180 You want to go, babe? 695 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:11,535 [music playing] 696 00:31:21,288 --> 00:31:22,104 Oh, hello. 697 00:31:22,122 --> 00:31:23,605 Oh. My gosh. 698 00:31:23,624 --> 00:31:24,697 Jordan, hi. 699 00:31:24,791 --> 00:31:25,698 Hey, how are you doing? 700 00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:26,458 Good. 701 00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:27,384 So good. 702 00:31:30,114 --> 00:31:33,115 Hi. 703 00:31:33,133 --> 00:31:35,634 Sylvia parsons: Come right over here, and sit beside dylann. 704 00:31:35,728 --> 00:31:37,802 Ken seeley: So they've been trying to think of a way 705 00:31:37,897 --> 00:31:40,063 To help you guys because they realize everybody's been 706 00:31:40,215 --> 00:31:43,125 Suffering a little bit, and a lot of stress in your lives, 707 00:31:43,218 --> 00:31:45,551 And they just want to help. 708 00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,053 So they each wrote a little something 709 00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:48,888 Down, if you don't mind, if-- 710 00:31:48,982 --> 00:31:50,799 Jordan: Let's do it. 711 00:31:50,817 --> 00:31:54,894 This is to both of you from your dad. 712 00:31:54,914 --> 00:31:59,732 Dear joey and jordan, I am sorry I let you both down. 713 00:31:59,826 --> 00:32:03,754 I'm sorry I gave up on being a strong role model for you 714 00:32:03,905 --> 00:32:06,164 When you needed to look up to me. 715 00:32:06,316 --> 00:32:09,501 I'm sorry I lacked the ability and knowledge 716 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:13,655 To save my precious little boys from the world, 717 00:32:13,674 --> 00:32:16,433 And all of its temptations. 718 00:32:16,584 --> 00:32:19,327 That's from your dad. 719 00:32:19,421 --> 00:32:20,771 I'd like to hear dylann read next. 720 00:32:25,352 --> 00:32:29,354 Dear joey, I'm here today because I love 721 00:32:29,506 --> 00:32:32,282 You more than you'll ever know. 722 00:32:32,434 --> 00:32:34,451 You are the closest sibling to me. 723 00:32:34,678 --> 00:32:36,695 I am angry at the way that drugs have 724 00:32:36,847 --> 00:32:38,863 Stolen so much time from us. 725 00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:41,850 Every time dad updates me on how you're doing, 726 00:32:41,868 --> 00:32:43,702 It's always worse and worse. 727 00:32:43,854 --> 00:32:47,965 I don't want to have to bury my brother having so few memories. 728 00:32:48,192 --> 00:32:49,949 I can't wait to see the beautiful person 729 00:32:49,969 --> 00:32:52,711 You blossom into with sobriety-- 730 00:32:52,863 --> 00:32:55,697 The person you were always meant to be. 731 00:32:55,716 --> 00:32:56,640 I love you, joey. 732 00:32:56,791 --> 00:32:57,933 My sweet guardian angel. 733 00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:06,041 Sylvia parsons: So after you've listened to your family, 734 00:33:06,134 --> 00:33:07,300 Do you want to go get some help? 735 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,136 Where's chantal? 736 00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:13,565 Chantal's already on her way to treatment. 737 00:33:13,717 --> 00:33:14,566 She is? 738 00:33:14,718 --> 00:33:15,567 Sylvia parsons: Yes. 739 00:33:15,719 --> 00:33:16,885 Ken seeley: She said yes. 740 00:33:16,978 --> 00:33:19,070 She's flying there with a nurse. 741 00:33:19,223 --> 00:33:22,557 Your mom is going to a beautiful place in utah. 742 00:33:22,576 --> 00:33:26,061 Your father has already left and gone to treatment. 743 00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:29,322 Even tim went to treatment today. 744 00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,008 So everybody's going to a different place? 745 00:33:31,235 --> 00:33:32,843 Everybody goes to a different place. 746 00:33:32,994 --> 00:33:36,571 When you come back after 90 days and you all are healthy. 747 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:37,330 All right. 748 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:38,406 I'll go. 749 00:33:38,425 --> 00:33:39,165 [clapping] 750 00:33:39,259 --> 00:33:40,242 Sylvia parsons: Yay! 751 00:33:40,335 --> 00:33:42,168 Ileen: Of course you'll go. 752 00:33:42,262 --> 00:33:45,171 Of course you'll go. 753 00:33:45,265 --> 00:33:47,599 Cathleen: It's overwhelming to see jordan get emotional. 754 00:33:47,693 --> 00:33:50,676 It's like he's been carrying a lot of baggage, 755 00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:54,347 And to see that just lift-- it was amazing. 756 00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:57,942 Do you want to go get some help? 757 00:33:58,037 --> 00:34:00,262 I don't know. 758 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,524 Your mother, your sister chantal, and your father 759 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:05,876 Have already gone. 760 00:34:06,103 --> 00:34:09,454 And they are not going to stay where they 761 00:34:09,606 --> 00:34:14,776 Are, joey, unless you also go. 762 00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:17,629 Because they're all worried about you. 763 00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:19,281 You can do this. 764 00:34:19,374 --> 00:34:22,726 I just can't make a decision right now. 765 00:34:22,877 --> 00:34:24,519 I can't make a decision right now. 766 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:31,551 Do you want to go outside and smoke a cigarette? 767 00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:32,385 Yeah. 768 00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,905 Yeah. 769 00:34:35,056 --> 00:34:37,649 Celeste: Jordan said yes, and I was hoping that that would 770 00:34:37,743 --> 00:34:42,061 Influence joey, but I am concerned that joey is going 771 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:44,322 To turn down the help right now, and that 772 00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,975 If we don't get him in a van tonight, that he may never go. 773 00:34:46,993 --> 00:34:48,734 Did you hear the letters? 774 00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:50,495 No one's going to be able to go to treatment knowing that 775 00:34:50,647 --> 00:34:51,980 You're out here on the streets. 776 00:34:51,998 --> 00:34:54,165 We've never had an opportunity like this. 777 00:34:54,259 --> 00:34:56,318 What do you want to smoke one more time or something? 778 00:34:56,336 --> 00:34:58,320 You want to get high again? 779 00:34:58,338 --> 00:35:01,339 Ken seeley: Jordan has said yes, and the only one we have left 780 00:35:01,491 --> 00:35:03,174 Is joey. 781 00:35:03,268 --> 00:35:06,419 And that's going to be the tough one because he seems very 782 00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:09,255 Paranoid, and I'm afraid that he's not 783 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:11,683 Going to understand what is happening, 784 00:35:11,835 --> 00:35:14,260 And he's going to refuse to go to treatment. 785 00:35:14,279 --> 00:35:15,687 So jordan you got to get on the flight. 786 00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:17,355 Ok. 787 00:35:17,507 --> 00:35:19,116 So we've got to get you on the road right away. 788 00:35:19,343 --> 00:35:20,508 Ok. 789 00:35:20,527 --> 00:35:21,118 Bye, dylann. 790 00:35:21,345 --> 00:35:22,119 I love you. 791 00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:23,027 I love you, too. 792 00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:24,121 I'm so proud of you. 793 00:35:24,272 --> 00:35:24,955 Are you really going? 794 00:35:34,708 --> 00:35:36,207 I love you, jordan. 795 00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:37,859 I love you, too. 796 00:35:37,878 --> 00:35:39,694 We'll let you know where he is and that he's ok. 797 00:35:39,787 --> 00:35:41,029 Sylvia parsons: Bye, jordan. Bye 798 00:35:41,047 --> 00:35:42,046 Bye. [interposing voices] 799 00:35:42,141 --> 00:35:42,881 I love you, too. 800 00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:45,308 [somber music] 801 00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:48,294 Joey? 802 00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:51,039 Yeah. 803 00:35:51,057 --> 00:35:52,223 You want to go? 804 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:55,134 They're all gone. 805 00:35:55,154 --> 00:35:57,988 Yeah, I mean, I'll go, I guess, but-- 806 00:35:58,139 --> 00:35:58,880 Sylvia parsons: Yay. 807 00:35:58,899 --> 00:36:00,231 Ok. 808 00:36:00,384 --> 00:36:01,232 Woo! 809 00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:04,719 [clapping] 810 00:36:04,738 --> 00:36:05,478 I love you. 811 00:36:05,572 --> 00:36:07,330 Grandma loves you. 812 00:36:07,482 --> 00:36:10,241 Sylvia parsons: Joey was difficult as we anticipated, 813 00:36:10,394 --> 00:36:13,152 But his sister, dylann, said she would ride 814 00:36:13,172 --> 00:36:15,747 With him to treatment, and that was what 815 00:36:15,899 --> 00:36:17,582 Finally got him in the car. 816 00:36:17,734 --> 00:36:18,508 I love you, grandma. 817 00:36:18,735 --> 00:36:19,417 Bye. 818 00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:21,252 I love you guys. 819 00:36:21,405 --> 00:36:23,013 Sylvia parsons: You did good. - Get better. 820 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:24,514 Ken seeley: Good job, joey. Ileen: Bye. 821 00:36:24,666 --> 00:36:26,016 Love you! So proud of you. 822 00:36:26,167 --> 00:36:26,850 Ken seeley: Good job. 823 00:36:30,338 --> 00:36:34,840 Getting six addicts to say yes to treatment today is huge, 824 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:38,603 But getting this family into detox is only the first step, 825 00:36:38,755 --> 00:36:41,089 And I really hope that they could stick with it 826 00:36:41,107 --> 00:36:44,592 And start a whole new chapter of their lives. 827 00:36:44,686 --> 00:36:46,594 Dylann: You know I love you. 828 00:36:46,688 --> 00:36:47,704 Joey: Yeah, I love you, too. 829 00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:54,878 [somber music] 830 00:36:59,109 --> 00:37:02,777 Jordan, I'm so proud of you. 831 00:37:02,796 --> 00:37:03,511 How are you? 832 00:37:06,708 --> 00:37:09,542 He's on his way to palm springs and dylann's with him 833 00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:11,135 To keep calm. 834 00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:11,895 All right. 835 00:37:12,122 --> 00:37:12,896 I love you. 836 00:37:13,047 --> 00:37:15,690 [somber music] 837 00:37:18,737 --> 00:37:23,147 I feel like right now is the perfect opportunity for there 838 00:37:23,242 --> 00:37:25,149 To actually be light at the end of the tunnel 839 00:37:25,302 --> 00:37:28,561 For not just me, but for my family. 840 00:37:28,655 --> 00:37:32,064 To know that they're doing what I'm doing is encouraging. 841 00:37:32,084 --> 00:37:35,827 It gives me peace of mind, but it's not going 842 00:37:35,979 --> 00:37:37,420 To change how much I miss them. 843 00:37:37,647 --> 00:37:38,313 Hello. 844 00:37:38,331 --> 00:37:41,165 Hi. 845 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:44,243 Any time you deal with multiple family members 846 00:37:44,263 --> 00:37:46,504 That struggle with substance use disorder, 847 00:37:46,656 --> 00:37:49,099 It's really difficult for those individuals 848 00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:52,936 To separate their recovery from their family members recovery, 849 00:37:53,087 --> 00:37:57,107 And it's going to be really important for chantal to learn 850 00:37:57,258 --> 00:38:01,444 To set boundaries, so that she can maintain recovery 851 00:38:01,596 --> 00:38:03,280 Whether any of her family does or not. 852 00:38:03,431 --> 00:38:06,950 [somber music] 853 00:38:10,514 --> 00:38:11,846 Christine: I'm ecstatic for joey. 854 00:38:11,865 --> 00:38:14,607 I'm so happy he accepted treatment. 855 00:38:14,626 --> 00:38:17,460 And my other two, jordan and chantal, 856 00:38:17,612 --> 00:38:20,964 I'm very proud of the choice they made today. 857 00:38:21,115 --> 00:38:23,207 Christine, welcome to recovery ways. 858 00:38:23,302 --> 00:38:24,301 Thank you. 859 00:38:24,452 --> 00:38:25,785 Christine, this is farrah. 860 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:28,379 She's going to do your admission with you. 861 00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:29,213 Thank you. 862 00:38:29,308 --> 00:38:30,865 Congratulations. 863 00:38:30,884 --> 00:38:32,792 Christine has to learn to clear her mind of all 864 00:38:32,886 --> 00:38:35,720 The other stuff, so that she can be helpful to herself, 865 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:37,480 And then the challenge of being able to help 866 00:38:37,632 --> 00:38:38,982 Those around her, too. 867 00:38:39,209 --> 00:38:40,817 Christine: I think I'll be able to sleep 868 00:38:40,968 --> 00:38:43,653 Very well tonight knowing my children are all in treatment. 869 00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:52,162 [upbeat guitar music] 870 00:38:56,317 --> 00:38:57,392 Joey: Oh, that was nice. 871 00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:58,818 Now that I'm in treatment. 872 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,170 I feel healthier. 873 00:39:00,321 --> 00:39:01,338 I feel more joy. 874 00:39:01,489 --> 00:39:03,322 I feel more coherent. 875 00:39:03,342 --> 00:39:04,824 I feel like I have better focus. 876 00:39:04,843 --> 00:39:05,658 Nice. 877 00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:06,751 In there, right? 878 00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:08,419 Right in there. 879 00:39:08,572 --> 00:39:11,089 Joey's mental state has really, really improved 880 00:39:11,241 --> 00:39:12,907 In the last two months. 881 00:39:12,926 --> 00:39:17,929 When joey arrived, he was in psychosis, and thank god, 882 00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:22,007 When he was detoxed, those symptoms dissipated, 883 00:39:22,102 --> 00:39:25,362 And joey hasn't had any of those symptoms since he's been here. 884 00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:27,197 Well, I have some really good news for you. 885 00:39:27,424 --> 00:39:29,591 You're going to get ready to transition 886 00:39:29,609 --> 00:39:30,925 Over to our outpatient program. 887 00:39:31,018 --> 00:39:32,427 You've met all of the expectations 888 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,928 From a clinical perspective. 889 00:39:33,947 --> 00:39:35,930 Yeah, I'm so stoked on that. 890 00:39:35,949 --> 00:39:37,432 That's what's up. 891 00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:39,100 Ken seeley: Even though joey is doing great, 892 00:39:39,193 --> 00:39:41,119 The rest of the family is not. 893 00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:44,288 With the exception of christine's boyfriend, tim, 894 00:39:44,383 --> 00:39:47,366 They all left treatment within a few weeks. 895 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:49,719 What has it been like knowing that you made the decision 896 00:39:49,871 --> 00:39:52,555 To stay in treatment even though your other family 897 00:39:52,782 --> 00:39:54,206 Members are not still in treatment 898 00:39:54,226 --> 00:39:55,875 At the current moment? 899 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:57,468 It was messing with me a little bit, 900 00:39:57,562 --> 00:40:02,807 Because I was like, I wanted to go do the same thing, 901 00:40:02,959 --> 00:40:05,476 But I'm not going to do that. 902 00:40:05,629 --> 00:40:08,312 I think joey's biggest challenge moving forward 903 00:40:08,407 --> 00:40:12,483 Is going to be staying away from his family members 904 00:40:12,636 --> 00:40:14,411 That decide to stay out using. 905 00:40:17,641 --> 00:40:20,583 Joe: I was at kemah palms for about 19 days 906 00:40:20,735 --> 00:40:23,995 And it was amazing, but I thought 907 00:40:24,147 --> 00:40:26,256 That I was willing and ready. 908 00:40:26,407 --> 00:40:29,592 But getting off of fentanyl-- it was really hard for me, 909 00:40:29,819 --> 00:40:32,503 And since returning back to california, 910 00:40:32,656 --> 00:40:36,433 I've also returned back to using. 911 00:40:36,584 --> 00:40:41,438 I'm still way more open minded to recovery in the future, 912 00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:44,666 But the fact of the matter is I don't have my son in my life, 913 00:40:44,684 --> 00:40:47,092 And that is my reason for life. 914 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:50,596 So I'm not giving up. 915 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,190 Jordan: I went to oregon trail recovery, 916 00:40:52,342 --> 00:40:54,859 And I stayed for about 24 days, but 917 00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:57,528 Knowing that my sister left, and I found out my mom 918 00:40:57,622 --> 00:40:58,788 Had left, too. 919 00:40:59,015 --> 00:41:00,848 So everyone was leaving one by one. 920 00:41:00,867 --> 00:41:03,776 I mean, the whole point of it was to all get sober together 921 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:06,612 And that just wasn't going to be a reality anymore so I just 922 00:41:06,706 --> 00:41:08,298 Didn't see a point to be there. 923 00:41:12,378 --> 00:41:16,214 The future I want for myself is just to be off drugs one day, 924 00:41:16,366 --> 00:41:19,291 To be able to support myself. 925 00:41:19,311 --> 00:41:21,052 Ken seeley: The reality is fentanyl 926 00:41:21,204 --> 00:41:23,888 Is the most potent drug there is, 927 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,391 And that means it's one of the most difficult addictions 928 00:41:27,544 --> 00:41:28,985 To kick. 929 00:41:29,212 --> 00:41:32,304 So even though jordan and chantal left treatment, 930 00:41:32,398 --> 00:41:36,308 I'm hoping that they tap into that experience that they had, 931 00:41:36,402 --> 00:41:39,053 And they go back and they continue to work on themselves. 932 00:41:39,072 --> 00:41:42,665 [music playing]