1 00:00:10,244 --> 00:00:13,314 [INDISTINCT MUTED CHATTER] 2 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:34,602 GOOD MORNING. 3 00:00:34,635 --> 00:00:35,603 OH. HEY. MORNING. 4 00:00:35,636 --> 00:00:38,239 EVERYONE'S GATHERED. WE'RE ALL READY IF YOU ARE. 5 00:00:38,272 --> 00:00:39,673 YEAH, LET'S DO IT. 6 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:40,708 YOU NEED THAT? 7 00:00:40,741 --> 00:00:41,809 OH. HEY, UH, 8 00:00:41,842 --> 00:00:43,444 LISTEN, AARON... 9 00:00:43,477 --> 00:00:45,146 THANKS FOR LETTING ME SET THIS UP. 10 00:00:45,179 --> 00:00:47,381 BUT THE WHOLE TEAM REALLY DIDN'T NEED TO BE HERE. 11 00:00:47,415 --> 00:00:49,517 I'M THE ONE THAT OWED THE FAVOR. 12 00:00:49,550 --> 00:00:51,652 EVERYONE INSISTED. 13 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:55,589 HOW YOU DOING? 14 00:00:56,290 --> 00:00:58,392 SORRY--WHAT? 15 00:00:58,426 --> 00:00:59,093 YOU OK? 16 00:00:59,127 --> 00:01:00,594 OH, YEAH, YEAH. NO, I'M GREAT. 17 00:01:00,628 --> 00:01:02,163 I'M GOOD. UH... 18 00:01:02,196 --> 00:01:05,666 I'LL MEET YOU OVER THERE IN A MINUTE, OK? 19 00:01:34,862 --> 00:01:38,399 Woman: IT'S RARE THAT AN UNDERGRADUATE CRIMINOLOGY CLASS 20 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:40,701 GETS GUEST SPEAKERS OF THIS CALIBER. 21 00:01:40,734 --> 00:01:43,604 BUT TODAY WE'RE SPECIALLY FORTUNATE. 22 00:01:43,637 --> 00:01:45,539 I'D LIKE TO WELCOME AN OLD FRIEND, 23 00:01:45,573 --> 00:01:47,775 ESTEEMED AUTHOR AND FBI AGENT DAVID ROSSI, 24 00:01:47,808 --> 00:01:50,778 AND HIS TEAM, THE BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS UNIT. 25 00:01:50,811 --> 00:01:54,148 NOW, THEY'VE AGREED TO SPEND AN HOUR OF THEIR VALUABLE TIME 26 00:01:54,182 --> 00:01:56,784 TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT. 27 00:01:56,817 --> 00:01:59,320 SO LET'S MAKE THEM FEEL WELCOME. 28 00:01:59,353 --> 00:02:02,756 [APPLAUSE] 29 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:10,798 THANK YOU, DR. GRANT. 30 00:02:10,831 --> 00:02:12,866 NOW, WHEN SHE SAID I WAS AN OLD FRIEND, 31 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:13,901 SHE WAS JUST REFERRING TO THE FACT 32 00:02:13,934 --> 00:02:17,538 THAT WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 33 00:02:17,571 --> 00:02:18,539 [LAUGHTER] 34 00:02:18,572 --> 00:02:20,208 NOW, AS THE GOOD PROFESSOR SAID, 35 00:02:20,241 --> 00:02:24,178 I AM SUPERVISORY SPECIAL AGENT ROSSI. 36 00:02:24,212 --> 00:02:27,215 THESE ARE SSAs JAREAU, 37 00:02:27,248 --> 00:02:28,316 PRENTISS, 38 00:02:28,349 --> 00:02:30,751 HOTCHNER, AND MORGAN. 39 00:02:30,784 --> 00:02:31,852 THIS IS DR. SPENCER REID. 40 00:02:31,885 --> 00:02:35,723 AND ON KEYBOARDS TODAY WE HAVE OUR TECHNICAL ANALYST 41 00:02:35,756 --> 00:02:37,791 MS. PENELOPE GARCIA. 42 00:02:37,825 --> 00:02:38,959 HI. 43 00:02:38,992 --> 00:02:40,661 NOW, IN SIMPLE TERMS, 44 00:02:40,694 --> 00:02:43,764 AT THE BAU WE USE BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE, 45 00:02:43,797 --> 00:02:47,501 RESEARCH, CASEWORK, AND TRAINING 46 00:02:47,535 --> 00:02:49,803 TO HUNT DOWN MONSTERS. 47 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:52,673 RAPISTS, TERRORISTS, 48 00:02:52,706 --> 00:02:53,907 PEDOPHILES, 49 00:02:53,941 --> 00:02:55,343 AND OUR SPECIALTY, 50 00:02:55,376 --> 00:02:56,977 SERIAL KILLERS. 51 00:02:57,010 --> 00:03:01,515 DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT A SERIAL KILLER IS? 52 00:03:01,549 --> 00:03:04,385 SOMEONE WHO'S COMMITTED MORE THAN ONE MURDER. 53 00:03:04,418 --> 00:03:05,152 THAT'S VERY GOOD. 54 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:06,954 BY STATUTE, 3 IS THE MAGIC NUMBER. 55 00:03:06,987 --> 00:03:09,590 AND IT'S ACTUALLY MORE QUALITATIVE THAN QUANTITATIVE FOR US. 56 00:03:09,623 --> 00:03:15,329 AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW SOME SERIAL KILLERS GET MADE. 57 00:03:15,363 --> 00:03:16,864 BECAUSE IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, 58 00:03:16,897 --> 00:03:19,633 THEN YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CATCH THEM. 59 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:20,901 GARCIA. 60 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:23,237 MY LIEGE. 61 00:03:26,006 --> 00:03:27,541 OK, THIS IS RACHEL MOORE, 62 00:03:27,575 --> 00:03:30,311 A 17-YEAR-OLD RUNAWAY FROM SPOKANE, WASHINGTON. 63 00:03:30,344 --> 00:03:32,946 NOW, SHE GREW UP POOR AND IN A BROKEN HOME. 64 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:37,685 HER MOM LEFT HER DAD BECAUSE HE LIKED TO DRINK AND BEAT ON HER. 65 00:03:37,718 --> 00:03:39,653 AND THIS IS TINA DYSON, 66 00:03:39,687 --> 00:03:42,556 A 19-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE STUDENT FROM SEATTLE. 67 00:03:42,590 --> 00:03:44,458 Rossi: NOW, SHE WAS A TRUST FUND KID, 68 00:03:44,492 --> 00:03:47,261 AND SHE GOT STRAIGHT As AND CAME FROM A LOVING FAMILY. 69 00:03:47,295 --> 00:03:49,563 NOW, THESE TWO GIRLS COULDN'T BE ANY MORE DIFFERENT. 70 00:03:49,597 --> 00:03:52,466 BUT THE ONE THING THAT THEY HAD IN COMMON 71 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:58,406 IS THEY BOTH CROSSED PATHS WITH THE MOST PROLIFIC SERIAL KILLER 72 00:03:58,439 --> 00:03:59,773 THE BAU HAS EVER SEEN. 73 00:03:59,807 --> 00:04:02,710 ONE THING YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND IS THAT NO TWO KILLERS ARE THE SAME. 74 00:04:02,743 --> 00:04:05,813 THEY EACH OCCUPY THEIR OWN POINT ON THE BEHAVIORAL SPECTRUM. 75 00:04:05,846 --> 00:04:09,517 GENETICS, BRAIN CHEMISTRY, PSYCHOLOGY, AND ENVIRONMENT 76 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:10,418 ARE ALL FACTORS. 77 00:04:10,451 --> 00:04:12,453 BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR KILLER 78 00:04:12,486 --> 00:04:14,655 GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT SO ADVERSE 79 00:04:14,688 --> 00:04:16,590 THAT HE NEVER HAD A CHANCE. 80 00:04:16,624 --> 00:04:17,858 BASTARD! 81 00:04:17,891 --> 00:04:20,761 Prentiss: HE ENDURED YEARS OF CRUEL AND ABJECT PHYSICAL ABUSE. 82 00:04:20,794 --> 00:04:25,666 Hotch: AS WELL AS HORRIBLY PROFOUND PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE. 83 00:04:25,699 --> 00:04:26,900 NO. NO! 84 00:04:26,934 --> 00:04:30,771 Morgan: WHEN HE WASN'T BEING IGNORED, HE WAS BEING HUMILIATED. 85 00:04:30,804 --> 00:04:31,705 LET ME IN! 86 00:04:31,739 --> 00:04:35,809 LET ME IN! LET ME IN! PLEASE! 87 00:04:35,843 --> 00:04:37,044 NOW LET ME BE CLEAR. 88 00:04:37,077 --> 00:04:40,348 MOST ABUSED KIDS DO NOT TURN INTO KILLERS. 89 00:04:40,381 --> 00:04:44,318 NOT EVEN ALL PSYCHOPATHS BECOME KILLERS. 90 00:04:44,352 --> 00:04:47,488 BUT THIS PARTICULAR UNKNOWN SUBJECT, 91 00:04:47,521 --> 00:04:49,056 OR UNSUB, 92 00:04:49,089 --> 00:04:51,091 SUFFERED EXTREME ABUSE, 93 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:56,364 AND IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHY HE DOES WHAT HE DOES. 94 00:04:56,397 --> 00:04:59,767 NOW, THESE ARE SOME OF HIS VICTIMS. 95 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,471 HE KIDNAPPED THEM, HE RESTRAINED THEM, 96 00:05:03,504 --> 00:05:04,705 AND HE STARVED THEM FOR DAYS. 97 00:05:04,738 --> 00:05:07,575 THEN HE KILLED THEM BY MUTILATING THEIR REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. 98 00:05:07,608 --> 00:05:11,545 RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST 40 OF THEM. 99 00:05:11,579 --> 00:05:15,015 BUT WE BELIEVE THAT HE MAY EVENTUALLY CLAIM OVER 100 VICTIMS. 100 00:05:15,048 --> 00:05:16,417 NOW, WE CHOSE THIS CASE FOR TODAY 101 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:17,985 BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DISCOVERING BODIES 102 00:05:18,018 --> 00:05:22,590 UP AND DOWN THE WEST COAST SINCE 1992. 103 00:05:22,623 --> 00:05:25,025 FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, 104 00:05:25,058 --> 00:05:26,960 IT'S A CLASSIC. 105 00:05:26,994 --> 00:05:29,763 THIS UNSUB'S ENTIRE CHILDHOOD 106 00:05:29,797 --> 00:05:31,131 WAS A CRUCIBLE, 107 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:34,568 AND IN IT, A PSYCHOTIC KILLER WAS FORGED. 108 00:06:08,969 --> 00:06:09,903 Rossi: THE PHILOSOPHER VOLTAIRE WROTE, 109 00:06:09,937 --> 00:06:12,640 "TO THE LIVING WE OWE RESPECT, BUT TO THE DEAD 110 00:06:12,673 --> 00:06:16,143 WE OWE ONLY THE TRUTH." 111 00:06:16,176 --> 00:06:20,448 THE DEAD ARE THE CORNERSTONE OF EVERY HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION. 112 00:06:20,481 --> 00:06:24,585 VICTIMS GIVE US A LOOK INTO THE KILLER'S MIND. 113 00:06:24,618 --> 00:06:27,120 IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT A HUNTER, 114 00:06:27,154 --> 00:06:28,622 STUDY HIS PREY. 115 00:06:28,656 --> 00:06:30,658 OK, SO THE UNSUB'S FIRST VICTIMS 116 00:06:30,691 --> 00:06:32,760 WERE DISCOVERED TWO WEEKS APART 117 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:34,462 IN 1992 IN SEATTLE. 118 00:06:34,495 --> 00:06:38,065 THE FIRST VICTIM THAT WAS FOUND WAS RACHEL MOORE. 119 00:06:38,098 --> 00:06:39,132 SHE WAS THE RUNAWAY. 120 00:06:39,166 --> 00:06:42,770 HER BODY HAD BEEN THROWN INTO A DUMPSTER IN AN ALLEY. 121 00:06:42,803 --> 00:06:46,039 THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAID THAT SHE WAS VERY MALNOURISHED 122 00:06:46,073 --> 00:06:47,775 AND REALLY DEHYDRATED. 123 00:06:47,808 --> 00:06:49,677 JJ: THE LIGATURE MARKS ON HER WRISTS AND ANKLES 124 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:53,013 MADE IT APPARENT THAT SHE'D BEEN RESTRAINED FOR DAYS. 125 00:06:53,046 --> 00:06:56,784 HE HELD HER, BUT HE DIDN'T FEED HER. 126 00:06:56,817 --> 00:06:57,585 SO SHE'S WEAK. 127 00:06:57,618 --> 00:07:00,721 IT'S HIS SADISTIC WAY TO SUBDUE HER. 128 00:07:00,754 --> 00:07:03,957 SEVERAL DEFENSIVE WOUNDS ON HER HANDS AND FOREARMS. 129 00:07:03,991 --> 00:07:06,560 SHE PUT UP A HELL OF A FIGHT. 130 00:07:06,594 --> 00:07:07,595 THAT A GIRL. 131 00:07:07,628 --> 00:07:10,163 53 STAB WOUNDS TO THE LOWER ABDOMEN AND GENITALS. 132 00:07:10,197 --> 00:07:12,533 THE DAMAGE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE 133 00:07:12,566 --> 00:07:13,701 IF THERE WAS ANY SEXUAL ASSAULT. 134 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:16,904 THAT MIGHT BE A FORENSIC COUNTERMEASURE. 135 00:07:16,937 --> 00:07:18,639 HERE'S MY REPORT. 136 00:07:18,672 --> 00:07:20,774 STAY AS LONG AS YOU NEED. 137 00:07:20,808 --> 00:07:24,512 HER MOTHER SHOULD BE HERE IN AN HOUR. 138 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:29,583 A HELL OF A WAY TO SEE HER AFTER 2 YEARS. 139 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:33,821 Prentiss: 53 STAB WOUNDS. THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. 140 00:07:33,854 --> 00:07:36,624 DOES ANYONE WANT TO TELL ME WHAT THEY THINK THAT MEANS? 141 00:07:36,657 --> 00:07:37,591 HATRED? 142 00:07:37,625 --> 00:07:38,592 FRUSTRATION. 143 00:07:38,626 --> 00:07:39,493 HE'S ANGRY. 144 00:07:39,527 --> 00:07:41,228 YOU'RE ALL CORRECT. IT'S CALLED OVERKILL. 145 00:07:41,261 --> 00:07:45,132 TYPICALLY IT MEANS THE MURDER WAS PERSONAL SOMEHOW. 146 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:47,234 THAT, OR THE UNSUB IS PSYCHOTIC 147 00:07:47,267 --> 00:07:49,670 AND/OR PRONE TO VIOLENT OUTBURSTS. 148 00:07:49,703 --> 00:07:50,604 [CELL PHONE RINGS] 149 00:07:50,638 --> 00:07:52,940 THE OVERKILL MAY ALSO SHOW HIS INEXPERIENCE. 150 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:54,775 THIS WAS PROBABLY HIS FIRST KILL, 151 00:07:54,808 --> 00:07:57,210 AND HE WAS FEELING HIS WAY THROUGH IT, WORKING OUT HIS M.O. 152 00:07:57,244 --> 00:08:02,082 BUT THERE'S A LOT ABOUT RACHEL THAT TELLS US ABOUT THE UNSUB. 153 00:08:02,115 --> 00:08:05,018 SHE WAS YOUNG, SO MOST LIKELY HE WAS, TOO. 154 00:08:05,052 --> 00:08:05,986 Male student: WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT? 155 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:09,256 SHE LIVED IN A SHELTER AND HAD A PART-TIME JOB, 156 00:08:09,289 --> 00:08:10,658 SO SHE WAS A STREET KID, 157 00:08:10,691 --> 00:08:12,292 BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE RECKLESS TYPE. 158 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:14,962 SHE WOULDN'T JUST GO OFF WITH ANYONE. 159 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:17,665 YEAH, WARDEN, IT'S ROSSI. 160 00:08:17,698 --> 00:08:18,966 WHAT? 161 00:08:18,999 --> 00:08:20,067 RIOT? 162 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:20,968 W-W-W-WAIT. 163 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:24,004 LOOK, HE'S NOT GONNA GIVE ME A RAIN CHECK. 164 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:24,872 I HAVE TO SEE HIM TODAY. 165 00:08:24,905 --> 00:08:27,541 SO THE UNSUB MAYBE LURED HER WITH A RUSE 166 00:08:27,575 --> 00:08:29,877 OR HE BLITZ ATTACKED HER, HE TOOK HER BY SURPRISE. 167 00:08:29,910 --> 00:08:32,813 NOW, EITHER ONE OF THESE WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU WERE YOUNG. 168 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:34,081 YOU CAN TELL ALL THAT FROM JUST ONE VICTIM? 169 00:08:34,114 --> 00:08:37,084 I'D SAY IT WAS TWO WEEKS LATER WHEN WE FOUND THE SECOND VICTIM 170 00:08:37,117 --> 00:08:38,251 THAT WE STARTED TO PIECE THAT TOGETHER. 171 00:08:38,285 --> 00:08:40,654 TINA DYSON WAS HOME FOR THE SUMMER WHEN SHE DISAPPEARED. 172 00:08:40,688 --> 00:08:44,291 HER BODY WAS FOUND IN A SHALLOW GRAVE JUST OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE. 173 00:08:44,324 --> 00:08:45,993 BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY HER ABDUCTION SITE 174 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:48,996 THAT GAVE US THE ANSWERS WE NEEDED. 175 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:50,030 [LAUGHING] 176 00:08:50,063 --> 00:08:51,865 Morgan: TINA AND TWO OF HER FRIENDS HAD FAKE I.D.s 177 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:55,936 AND THEY DECIDED TO GO TO A LOCAL GRUNGE BAR. 178 00:08:58,171 --> 00:09:00,874 Prentiss: BUT THEY DRANK TOO MUCH AND TINA GOT SICK, 179 00:09:00,908 --> 00:09:03,143 SO WHILE ONE FRIEND WAS INSIDE DANCING, 180 00:09:03,176 --> 00:09:06,614 THE OTHER WENT OUT TO HOLD TINA'S HAIR. 181 00:09:06,647 --> 00:09:09,249 IT'S ALL RIGHT. COME ON. 182 00:09:09,282 --> 00:09:11,018 [RETCHING] 183 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:13,687 I'M GONNA GO GET JANICE, OK? WE'RE GOING HOME. 184 00:09:13,721 --> 00:09:16,023 OHH...GOOD, YEAH. 185 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:19,559 [MOANING] 186 00:09:20,828 --> 00:09:23,731 OHH...OHH... 187 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:31,204 Man: YOU OK? 188 00:09:31,238 --> 00:09:35,075 YEAH. JEEZ, WHAT ARE YOU, A NINJA? 189 00:09:35,108 --> 00:09:37,577 WHERE'D YOU COME FROM? 190 00:09:38,145 --> 00:09:41,348 SO HIS ANGER IS OBVIOUSLY DIRECTED AT WOMEN. 191 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:43,016 YES, BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY, 192 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:45,719 AND THE WHY IS WHAT ALWAYS LEADS US TO THE WHO. 193 00:09:45,753 --> 00:09:46,920 I NEED TO TALK TO YOU. 194 00:09:46,954 --> 00:09:49,222 JJ: HE WAS ATTACKING THEIR GENITALS AND REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. 195 00:09:49,256 --> 00:09:50,290 WHY? 196 00:09:50,323 --> 00:09:51,158 WAS HE IMPOTENT 197 00:09:51,191 --> 00:09:53,126 AND HATES THE THING THAT HE CAN'T HAVE? 198 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,163 DID HIS WIFE OR GIRLFRIEND ABORT A CHILD? 199 00:09:56,196 --> 00:09:59,900 IT'S A FEDERAL PRISON, DAVE. WE CAN'T JUST CALL THEM UP AND TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. 200 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:03,837 YOU HAVE TO KNOW SOMEONE IN JUSTICE WHO CAN PULL SOME STRINGS. 201 00:10:03,871 --> 00:10:07,407 I'VE GOT TO SEE HIM TODAY, AARON. YOU KNOW THAT. 202 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,508 THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS. 203 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:11,378 AND THE UNSUB WAS FIGURING IT ALL OUT FOR HIMSELF, TOO. 204 00:10:11,411 --> 00:10:12,646 WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE HE WAS EVOLVING. 205 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:16,717 HE STARTED WITH A RUNAWAY, A VICTIM WITH A HIGH-RISK LIFESTYLE. 206 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:19,352 HE PROBABLY KNEW THAT HER ABDUCTION WOULD GO UNREPORTED. 207 00:10:19,386 --> 00:10:22,656 JJ: THEN HE UPPED HIS GAME AND GRABBED A COLLEGE GIRL, 208 00:10:22,690 --> 00:10:24,324 WHICH MEANT MORE RISK FOR HIMSELF. 209 00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:27,094 Reid: HE DUMPED HIS FIRST VICTIM RACHEL IN AN ALLEY, 210 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:28,028 BUT HE TOOK THE TIME TO BURY TINA, 211 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:31,198 WHICH SUGGESTS HE FELT MORE CONNECTED TO HER 212 00:10:31,231 --> 00:10:33,100 AND PERHAPS HE EVEN FELT REMORSE. 213 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:34,334 DID YOU EVER CATCH THIS GUY? 214 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:36,770 UH, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, YOUNG MAN? 215 00:10:36,804 --> 00:10:37,938 DAVID ZIMMERMAN. 216 00:10:37,971 --> 00:10:39,673 DON'T INTERRUPT, ZIMMERMAN. 217 00:10:39,707 --> 00:10:41,241 [LAUGHTER] 218 00:10:41,274 --> 00:10:44,211 NOW, WE, UH, WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO WARN THE PUBLIC, 219 00:10:44,244 --> 00:10:47,948 SO WE CONTACTED THE MEDIA, PAPERS, LOCAL NEWS. 220 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:51,318 THAT WAS BACK BEFORE THE INTERNET EXPLODED. 221 00:10:51,351 --> 00:10:54,755 AND THEN, AS WILL HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME, 222 00:10:54,788 --> 00:10:56,757 THE CASE WENT COMPLETELY COLD. 223 00:10:56,790 --> 00:11:01,428 WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM HIM AGAIN UNTIL 1997. 224 00:11:01,461 --> 00:11:07,434 TWO BODIES WERE FOUND IN GOLDEN GATE PARK, IN SAN FRANCISCO. 225 00:11:07,467 --> 00:11:08,802 SAME M.O. 226 00:11:08,836 --> 00:11:11,772 EVIDENTLY OUR GUY. 227 00:11:16,443 --> 00:11:18,311 EXCUSE ME, I'M LOOKING FOR THE CASE AGENT. 228 00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:21,214 THAT WOULD BE ME. AGENT ROSSI, I'M AGENT HOTCHNER, 229 00:11:21,248 --> 00:11:22,682 SEATTLE DIVISION. WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE. 230 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:26,286 UH, I INHERITED THE CASE FROM AGENT BIDWELL. THANKS FOR COMING SO QUICKLY. 231 00:11:26,319 --> 00:11:28,355 YEAH, I HOPPED THE FIRST FLIGHT FROM DULLES. 232 00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:29,923 CAME STRAIGHT FROM THE AIRPORT. 233 00:11:29,957 --> 00:11:31,925 WITH BAD FOOD. THAT'S A LONG TRIP. 234 00:11:31,959 --> 00:11:33,060 LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT WE FOUND. 235 00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:35,462 A JOGGER DISCOVERED THE FIRST BODY DUMPED IN THE BUSHES 236 00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:37,430 ABOUT 30 YARDS OVER THE ROAD HERE. 237 00:11:37,464 --> 00:11:39,900 THE M.E. SAID THAT SHE'D BEEN THERE ALMOST A MONTH. 238 00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:41,134 ANY CRITTERS GET TO HER? 239 00:11:41,168 --> 00:11:43,403 WE HAD TO USE DENTAL RECORDS TO IDENTIFY HER. WATCH YOUR STEP. 240 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:44,571 SO WE DID A SEARCH OF THE AREA 241 00:11:44,604 --> 00:11:47,440 AND WE DISCOVERED THE SECOND BODY IN THIS SHALLOW GRAVE. 242 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:49,042 SHE'D BEEN HERE LESS THAN A WEEK. 243 00:11:49,076 --> 00:11:52,345 SO, HE DUMPED THE FIRST ONE AND BURIED THE SECOND. 244 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:54,347 JUST LIKE HE DID IN '92. 245 00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:56,083 THE FIRST VICTIM-- WAS SHE A RUNAWAY? 246 00:11:56,116 --> 00:11:58,418 25-YEAR-OLD PROSTITUTE AND CRACK ADDICT. 247 00:11:58,451 --> 00:11:59,753 THE SECOND? 248 00:11:59,787 --> 00:12:01,054 A 27-YEAR-OLD MOTHER OF TWO. 249 00:12:01,088 --> 00:12:04,457 BOTH WOMEN HAD HAD THEIR REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS COMPLETELY REMOVED. 250 00:12:04,491 --> 00:12:06,493 NOT JUST MANGLED. HE'S EVOLVING. 251 00:12:06,526 --> 00:12:08,829 SOUNDS LIKE HE'S MOVING MORE TOWARD RITUAL. 252 00:12:08,862 --> 00:12:10,798 AND APPARENTLY HE'S NOT LOCKED INTO AN AGE PREFERENCE. 253 00:12:10,831 --> 00:12:13,934 THE VICTIMS SEEM TO BE AGING ALONG WITH HIM. 254 00:12:13,967 --> 00:12:15,035 WHAT ABOUT STOMACH CONTENTS? 255 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:17,470 THE VICTIMS WERE DEHYDRATED AND HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS. 256 00:12:17,504 --> 00:12:20,507 MY GUESS IS HE HASN'T BEEN BACK IN SEATTLE IN A WHILE. 257 00:12:20,540 --> 00:12:21,842 WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT? 258 00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:24,377 HE NEEDS SOMEPLACE PRIVATE TO HOLD THEM. 259 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:25,245 HE MIGHT LIVE CLOSE. 260 00:12:25,278 --> 00:12:27,414 DUMPING A BODY IN A PUBLIC PARK IS RISKY. 261 00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:30,517 IT TELLS ME THAT HE'S COMFORTABLE, SETTLED IN. 262 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:35,522 HE MIGHT EVEN HAVE CHOSEN THIS SPOT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND RELIVE THE KILLS. 263 00:12:35,555 --> 00:12:37,490 YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK, AGENT. 264 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:40,293 5 YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO BE DORMANT. 265 00:12:40,327 --> 00:12:41,561 HE WASN'T DORMANT. 266 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:46,066 A KILLER THAT VICIOUS IS LIKE A DRUG ADDICT THAT NEEDS A FIX. 267 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:48,568 Hotch: WE WERE FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT HE HAD KEPT ON KILLING. 268 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:50,437 WE JUST HADN'T FOUND THE BODIES YET. 269 00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:52,973 Rossi: NOW, WE KNEW THAT BACK IN '92 270 00:12:53,006 --> 00:12:55,375 WHEN THE MEDIA WENT WIDE WITH THE STORY, 271 00:12:55,408 --> 00:13:01,014 OUR UNSUB GOT SPOOKED AND HE DISAPPEARED. 272 00:13:02,049 --> 00:13:04,551 SO WE TRIED TO GET IN FRONT OF IT, 273 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:07,487 MEANING THAT IF WE COULD CONTROL THE SPREAD OF INFORMATION, 274 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,457 WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KEEP THE UNSUB FROM FLEEING AGAIN. 275 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,292 BUT BACK THEN THE BAU WAS STILL YOUNG. 276 00:13:12,325 --> 00:13:15,462 WE DIDN'T HAVE PRESS LIAISONS OR TECHNICAL ANALYSTS. 277 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:21,134 Hotch: AND BY THE TIME WE CONTACTED THE MEDIA, THE STORY HAD ALREADY BROKEN. 278 00:13:25,605 --> 00:13:27,841 TV narrator: A SYMBOL OF THE AMERICAN WEST-- 279 00:13:27,875 --> 00:13:29,109 A LONE COYOTE HUNTS FOR PREY. 280 00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:32,545 AGENT ROSSI, ARE YOU MAKING ANY PROGRESS IN THE INVESTIGATION? 281 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:33,246 QUITE A BIT, YES. 282 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,883 SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SOLID LEADS? 283 00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:36,716 SEVERAL. 284 00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:38,118 AGENT ROSSI, CAN YOU CONFIRM THE RUMORS 285 00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:41,088 THAT THE WOMB RAIDER DISEMBOWELS HIS VICTIMS? 286 00:13:41,121 --> 00:13:41,989 EXCUSE ME? 287 00:13:42,022 --> 00:13:43,523 CAN YOU CONFIRMS THE RUMORS THAT THE WOMB-- 288 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:45,425 OH, I'LL CONFIRM SOMETHING FOR YOU. 289 00:13:45,458 --> 00:13:48,028 WOMB RAIDER IS A NAME THAT YOU GAVE HIM. 290 00:13:48,061 --> 00:13:50,297 I WON'T GLORIFY HIM. I CALL HIM A MURDERER. 291 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,465 THEN EXACTLY HOW IS HE KILLING THEM? 292 00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:54,434 MY ONLY CONCERN IS CAPTURING HIM 293 00:13:54,467 --> 00:13:57,637 AND BRINGING CLOSURE TO THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS. 294 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,907 NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 295 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:03,543 [CHUCKLING] 296 00:14:09,416 --> 00:14:10,250 "WOMB RAIDER." 297 00:14:10,283 --> 00:14:13,887 I HOPED THE NICKNAME WOULD EMBOLDEN HIM. 298 00:14:13,921 --> 00:14:18,425 THOUGHT MAYBE HE WOULD ESCALATE AND TRIP ON HIS OWN HUBRIS. 299 00:14:18,458 --> 00:14:20,460 BUT, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 300 00:14:20,493 --> 00:14:23,396 UNFORTUNATELY, HE VANISHED JUST LIKE HE'D DONE BEFORE 301 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:24,932 AND THE TRAIL WENT COLD AGAIN. 302 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:25,933 WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD. 303 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:29,036 WE HAD EVERY DIVISION UP AND DOWN THE WEST COAST 304 00:14:29,069 --> 00:14:31,204 SCOURING MISSING PERSON REPORTS. 305 00:14:31,238 --> 00:14:35,075 A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES, BUT NO CLEAR HITS. 306 00:14:35,108 --> 00:14:37,945 IN THE MEANTIME, AGENT ROSSI RETIRED, 307 00:14:37,978 --> 00:14:39,612 BUT THE BAU GREW. 308 00:14:39,646 --> 00:14:41,614 WE TRAINED MORE PROFILERS, 309 00:14:41,648 --> 00:14:44,317 HIRED TECH ANALYSTS, PRESS LIAISONS, 310 00:14:44,351 --> 00:14:46,353 AND WE EVEN GOT OUR OWN RESIDENT GENIUS. 311 00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:48,488 THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 312 00:14:48,521 --> 00:14:50,490 [LAUGHTER] 313 00:14:50,523 --> 00:14:53,160 AGENT ROSSI, WHY DID YOU RETIRE? 314 00:14:53,593 --> 00:14:55,428 THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 315 00:14:55,462 --> 00:14:58,565 WELL, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS I NEEDED A CHANGE. 316 00:14:58,598 --> 00:15:01,468 I WAS WORKING ON MY THIRD DIVORCE, AND... 317 00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:02,102 THIRD? 318 00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:04,571 YES, ZIMMERMAN, MY THIRD. 319 00:15:04,604 --> 00:15:05,605 [LAUGHTER] 320 00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:07,640 SO I NEEDED A BREAK, AND I FIGURED WRITING BOOKS 321 00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:10,410 MIGHT HELP GIVE ME SOME PEACE OF MIND. 322 00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:13,513 DID IT? GIVE YOU PEACE OF MIND? 323 00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:14,881 FOR A TIME, YES. 324 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:18,651 IN 2005, WE GOT ANOTHER HIT ON THE UNSUB, THIS TIME IN LOS ANGELES. 325 00:15:18,685 --> 00:15:21,621 WE KNEW IT WAS HIM BECAUSE OF HIS SIGNATURE. 326 00:15:21,654 --> 00:15:22,522 SORRY, WHAT'S A SIGNATURE? 327 00:15:22,555 --> 00:15:24,624 IT'S A RARE COMBINATION OF M.O. AND RITUAL 328 00:15:24,657 --> 00:15:27,694 THAT ALLOWS US TO LINK CASES OVER TIME AND GEOGRAPHIC DISTANCES. 329 00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:30,663 HER NAME WAS LANA COOPER. SHE WAS A 33-YEAR-OLD PROSTITUTE. 330 00:15:30,697 --> 00:15:35,068 HER BODY WAS FOUND BY A BOY WALKING HIS DOG IN GRIFFITH PARK. 331 00:15:35,102 --> 00:15:39,139 LIGATURE MARKS ON HER WRISTS AND ANKLES. SHE WAS RESTRAINED. 332 00:15:39,172 --> 00:15:40,573 AND HE GAVE HER A COMPLETE HYSTERECTOMY. 333 00:15:40,607 --> 00:15:44,544 THE UTERUS, OVARIES, FALLOPIAN TUBES, ALL REMOVED. 334 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:47,580 A LITTLE CRUDE, BUT HE CUT ALL THE RIGHT LIGAMENTS. 335 00:15:47,614 --> 00:15:49,349 HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING. 336 00:15:49,382 --> 00:15:50,450 WHAT ABOUT HER THROAT? 337 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:53,420 THAT WAS DONE POSTMORTEM. HE CUT OUT HER VOCAL CORDS. 338 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,688 MIGHT BE A SYMBOLIC WAY OF KEEPING HER SILENT. 339 00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:58,992 SO SHE WAS ALIVE WHEN HE PERFORMED THE HYSTERECTOMY. 340 00:15:59,026 --> 00:16:00,593 ANYTHING IN HER STOMACH? 341 00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:03,230 DRY AS A BONE. SHE HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS. 342 00:16:03,263 --> 00:16:04,597 SO HE STARVED HER, TOO. 343 00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:05,432 THAT'S A PRETTY SPECIFIC M.O. 344 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:06,733 THIS PROBABLY ISN'T HIS FIRST VICTIM. 345 00:16:06,766 --> 00:16:09,736 I WONDER IF WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT DOCTORS AND MEDICAL STUDENTS. 346 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:11,204 IT'S DEFINITELY NOT HIS FIRST VICTIM. 347 00:16:11,238 --> 00:16:14,307 I DON'T THINK HE'S A DOCTOR OR A MEDICAL STUDENT. 348 00:16:14,341 --> 00:16:15,575 NO. CALLING GIDEON? 349 00:16:15,608 --> 00:16:18,578 [CELL PHONE RINGING] THE FIRST CALL I MADE WAS TO AGENT ROSSI. 350 00:16:18,611 --> 00:16:19,746 I KNEW HE WAS WRITING HIS BOOK, 351 00:16:19,779 --> 00:16:24,717 BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO START TO BUILD A PROFILE WITHOUT HIM. 352 00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:27,687 A PROFILE IS PERSONALITY AND IDENTIFYING CHARACTERISTICS 353 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,692 OF THE UNSUB WHICH HELPS THE INVESTIGATOR NARROW DOWN THE SUSPECT POOL. 354 00:16:32,725 --> 00:16:34,194 BASICALLY IT'S A BEHAVIORAL DESCRIPTION 355 00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:37,597 OF THE TYPE OF PERSON WE THINK THE UNSUB MIGHT BE. 356 00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:38,698 IT GOES A LITTLE LIKE THIS-- 357 00:16:38,731 --> 00:16:40,667 WE WERE LOOKING FOR A WHITE MALE 358 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:41,834 IN HIS EARLY TO MID-30s. 359 00:16:41,868 --> 00:16:46,039 Hotch: WE THINK HE WAS ANTISOCIAL AND HAD LOW SELF-ESTEEM, 360 00:16:46,073 --> 00:16:47,607 SO HE PROBABLY KEPT TO HIMSELF. 361 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:48,941 Prentiss: BUT HE NEEDED MONEY, 362 00:16:48,975 --> 00:16:53,113 SO HE WAS MOST LIKELY A DAY LABORER, A JANITOR, MAYBE A HANDYMAN. 363 00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:54,347 ANYTHING MENIAL AND TEMPORARY. 364 00:16:54,381 --> 00:16:57,250 Morgan: HE WAS PERSONABLE ENOUGH TO GET A JOB WHEREVER HE WENT, 365 00:16:57,284 --> 00:17:00,087 BUT UNASSUMING ENOUGH NOT TO STICK OUT. 366 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,155 HE HELD AND RESTRAINED HIS VICTIMS FOR DAYS, 367 00:17:02,189 --> 00:17:04,491 SO HE WOULD NEED A CONTAINED SPACE TO DO THAT. 368 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:07,660 BUT HE WAS ALSO MOBILE. THAT MEANT HE HAD HIS OWN TRANSPORT. 369 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,562 MOST LIKELY A TRUCK OR A VAN. 370 00:17:09,596 --> 00:17:12,799 JJ: AND WHEN HE WAS ON THE MOVE AND NOT SETTLED, 371 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:13,766 HE PROBABLY LIVED OUT OF THAT VEHICLE. 372 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,668 Hotch: WE KNEW HE ALWAYS STARTED WITH A VICTIM 373 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:17,537 WHO LIVED A HIGH-RISK LIFESTYLE, 374 00:17:17,570 --> 00:17:19,439 LIKE A PROSTITUTE OR A RUNAWAY. 375 00:17:19,472 --> 00:17:22,542 AND THEN HE MOVED ON TO A VICTIM WITH A LOW-RISK LIFESTYLE. 376 00:17:22,575 --> 00:17:28,481 JJ: SO WE KNEW HIS NEXT KILL WOULD BE SOMETHING OF A SOCCER MOM IN HER 30s. 377 00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:32,819 I'M SORRY, BUT WHAT EXACTLY WAS HE DOING WITH THE ORGANS HE WAS REMOVING? 378 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:35,622 WE DIDN'T KNOW. IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOME SORT OF FETISH. 379 00:17:35,655 --> 00:17:36,589 RUSSIAN SERIAL KILLER ANDREI CHIKATILO 380 00:17:36,623 --> 00:17:39,359 ACTUALLY ATE THE UTERUS OF ONE OF HIS VICTIMS. 381 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:40,460 OH, MY GOD, EEW. 382 00:17:40,493 --> 00:17:41,661 THIS FOCUS ON REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS 383 00:17:41,694 --> 00:17:45,698 COULD ALSO INDICATE A DEEP-SEATED SENSE OF SELF-LOATHING. 384 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:48,301 HE MIGHT HAVE HATED THE FACT THAT HE WAS BORN. 385 00:17:48,335 --> 00:17:50,803 OR HE HAD SOME SORT OF TRAUMATIC LIFE-CHANGING EVENT 386 00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:51,671 ASSOCIATED WITH BIRTH. 387 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:54,574 AND HE COULD HAVE HATED HIS OWN MOTHER. 388 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:58,811 THE STRAINED MOTHER-CHILD RELATIONSHIP IS A HALLMARK FOR MANY KILLERS. 389 00:17:58,845 --> 00:18:00,213 THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 390 00:18:00,247 --> 00:18:01,848 I HATE MYSELF OR I HATE MY MOTHER, 391 00:18:01,881 --> 00:18:05,652 SO I KILL WOMEN BY RIPPING OUT THEIR WOMBS? 392 00:18:05,685 --> 00:18:07,787 IT ONLY NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE TO HIM. 393 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:10,590 ONE MAN'S LOGIC IS ANOTHER MAN'S CRAZY. 394 00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:12,725 WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE VOCAL CORDS? 395 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:13,893 THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW. 396 00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:16,263 WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SYMBOLIC OF HIS OWN SILENCE. 397 00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:18,465 HE WAS RAISED TO BELIEVE HE WAS WORTHLESS AND UNWANTED, 398 00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:20,433 SO ESSENTIALLY HE NEVER HAD HIS OWN VOICE. 399 00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:22,735 HIS VICTIMS BECAME SURROGATES FOR HIS RAGE 400 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:27,507 AND A MEANS BY WHICH TO EXACT HIS REVENGE. 401 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:31,711 [WOMAN WHIMPERING] 402 00:18:37,317 --> 00:18:40,853 WE STAYED IN L.A. FOR 6 WEEKS AND WORKED THE CASE. 403 00:18:40,887 --> 00:18:42,789 AND THEN IT WENT COLD, AGAIN. 404 00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:44,857 NO LOW-RISK SOCCER MOM TURNED UP, 405 00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:46,426 NO SOCCER MOMS WENT MISSING. 406 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:47,760 THEN OUR RESOURCES WERE EXHAUSTED, 407 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:50,497 WE HAD OTHER CASES, SO WE WERE FORCED TO LEAVE. 408 00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:53,333 BUT I RENTED A HOUSE IN THE HOLLYWOOD HILLS 409 00:18:53,366 --> 00:18:55,335 AND DECIDED TO FINISH MY BOOK OUT THERE. 410 00:18:55,368 --> 00:19:01,241 I FIGURED IF I WAS CLOSE I COULD LEND A HAND IF SOMETHING HAPPENED. 411 00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:05,278 3 MONTHS I STAYED AND NOTHING. 412 00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:09,682 NOW, IN THE PAST HE PACKED UP AND MOVED 413 00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:12,285 WHEN THE STORY BROKE AND WE GOT TOO CLOSE. 414 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:14,454 BUT THIS TIME THE MEDIA WAS QUIET. 415 00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:18,658 THE VICTIM WAS A HOOKER NOBODY CARED ABOUT. 416 00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:20,393 SO, WHAT DROVE HIM UNDER? 417 00:19:20,427 --> 00:19:23,863 IT WOULD BE 4 YEARS BEFORE WE GOT ANOTHER BREAK. 418 00:19:23,896 --> 00:19:29,536 NOT TOO LONG AFTER, I CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT. 419 00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:33,573 WHAT? 420 00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:35,742 ROCHELLE JENKINS, A 40-YEAR-OLD PROSTITUTE 421 00:19:35,775 --> 00:19:37,310 WAS FOUND DUMPED IN AN ALLEY IN SEATTLE. 422 00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:39,346 SHE WAS GIVEN A COMPLETE HYSTERECTOMY. 423 00:19:39,379 --> 00:19:42,382 HER VOCAL CORDS WERE CUT OUT, TOO. 424 00:19:42,415 --> 00:19:44,417 HE'S BACK WHERE HE GOT STARTED. 425 00:19:44,451 --> 00:19:47,820 HE'LL BE ON THE HUNT FOR A LOW-RISK VICTIM IN HER 40s NEXT. 426 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:50,890 [SIGHS] I WONDER WHAT BROUGHT HIM HOME. 427 00:19:50,923 --> 00:19:53,293 IT'S A LONG TRIP. WE SHOULD GET GOING. 428 00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:56,363 Rossi: BUT THIS TIME WE WERE READY FOR HIM. 429 00:19:56,396 --> 00:19:58,298 WE WANTED TO USE THE PRESS TO OUR ADVANTAGE. 430 00:19:58,331 --> 00:20:02,302 SO WE CAME UP WITH WHAT'S CALLED A TARGETED MEDIA STRATEGY. 431 00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:04,671 Reporter: AGENT, IS IT TRUE YOU HAVE A SUSPECT IN CUSTODY? 432 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:05,838 YES, HE'S BEING QUESTIONED AS WE SPEAK. 433 00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:08,841 Second reporter: CAN YOU TELL US HOW YOU APPREHENDED HIM? 434 00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:12,479 WITH GOOD POLICE WORK, ESPECIALLY FROM THE SEATTLE P.D. 435 00:20:12,512 --> 00:20:13,913 AND THE WASHINGTON STATE PATROL. 436 00:20:13,946 --> 00:20:16,916 IS IT TRUE THAT THE KILLER'S BEEN ON THE LOOSE SINCE THE EARLY NINETIES? 437 00:20:16,949 --> 00:20:19,819 THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN, BUT WE DO BELIEVE 438 00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:21,020 WE CAN LINK HIM TO SEVERAL MURDERS. 439 00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:23,656 THANK YOU. NOW, IF YOU'LL EXCUSE US, WE'VE GOT WORK TO DO. 440 00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:24,791 SO YOU DID CATCH HIM. 441 00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:29,762 NO. BUT WE WANTED HIM TO THINK WE CAUGHT THE WRONG GUY. 442 00:20:29,796 --> 00:20:30,597 WHY? 443 00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:31,964 TO GIVE HIM A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY. 444 00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:35,935 IF HE THINKS WE MESSED UP, THEN MAYBE HE RELAXES AND MAKES A MISTAKE. 445 00:20:35,968 --> 00:20:38,938 THAT, OR HE GETS ANGRY BECAUSE HE THINKS SOMEONE ELSE 446 00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:40,373 IS STEALING HIS THUNDER. 447 00:20:40,407 --> 00:20:41,974 EITHER WAY, THE AIM OF THE STRATEGY 448 00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:43,576 IS THE THROW THE KILLER OFF COURSE. 449 00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:45,678 OTHERWISE, ALL WE'RE DOING IS REACTING TO HIM, 450 00:20:45,712 --> 00:20:48,047 AND WE NEEDED HIM TO REACT TO US. 451 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,717 LORD KNOWS I LOVE HIM, BUT HERE'S TO A NIGHT WITHOUT HIM. 452 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:52,819 HUSBANDS, TOO. TO THE KIDS. 453 00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:54,287 OK, FINE, HAVE IT YOUR WAY. 454 00:20:54,321 --> 00:20:56,489 WE'RE TOO OLD FOR THIS. 455 00:20:56,523 --> 00:20:57,490 SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. 456 00:20:57,524 --> 00:21:02,495 OK, LADIES, BOTTOMS UP, LICK, DRINK, SUCK. YEAH? 457 00:21:03,996 --> 00:21:05,298 MM! 458 00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:06,633 WHOO-HOO! HA HA! 459 00:21:06,666 --> 00:21:09,969 SHE'S WHOO-HOOING, YOU KNOW WE'RE IN FOR A LONG NIGHT. 460 00:21:10,002 --> 00:21:10,937 [LAUGHING] 461 00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:11,971 WE NEED SOME MORE WATER. 462 00:21:12,004 --> 00:21:14,807 WE SHOULD GET ANOTHER ROUND. 463 00:21:14,841 --> 00:21:16,042 [LAUGHING] 464 00:21:16,075 --> 00:21:17,677 YOU'RE INSANE. 465 00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:19,912 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 466 00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:22,048 [LAUGHING] 467 00:21:22,081 --> 00:21:25,318 PLAY DATE TOMORROW? MEET ME AT THE PARK? 468 00:21:25,352 --> 00:21:27,854 CAN'T. SOCCER GAME AND BIRTHDAY PARTY. SUNDAY? 469 00:21:27,887 --> 00:21:28,688 OK. SURE. 470 00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:29,989 YOU ALL RIGHT TO DRIVE? 471 00:21:30,022 --> 00:21:31,057 THAT DRINK WAS WHAT, 472 00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:32,792 TWO HOURS AND A BIG DINNER AGO. 473 00:21:32,825 --> 00:21:35,428 I'M FINE. GO. ARE YOU SURE? 474 00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:36,463 BYE, SWEETIE. 475 00:21:36,496 --> 00:21:37,063 BYE, GIRLS. 476 00:21:37,096 --> 00:21:38,565 I'LL TALK TO YOU SOON, OK? 477 00:21:38,598 --> 00:21:39,732 OK. YES. 478 00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:42,001 GOOD NIGHT. 479 00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:45,672 HEY, HONEY. I'M ON THE WAY HOME. 480 00:21:45,705 --> 00:21:47,006 HOW ARE THE BOYS? 481 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:47,840 [CHUCKLES] 482 00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:51,077 OH, IT WAS FUN. EVERYONE SAYS HI. OK. 483 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:53,446 LOVE YOU, TOO. 484 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,749 BYE. 485 00:21:57,116 --> 00:21:58,918 [CAR ALARM BEEPS] 486 00:22:00,387 --> 00:22:02,655 [MUFFLED SCREAM] 487 00:22:12,732 --> 00:22:15,001 HE'S BEEN MOVING SOUTH THIS WHOLE TIME. 488 00:22:15,034 --> 00:22:18,571 HE COULD HAVE GONE EAST OR BOUNCED BACK UP NORTH, 489 00:22:18,605 --> 00:22:19,906 BUT NO, ALWAYS SOUTH. 490 00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:21,374 ALMOST LIKE HE'S RUNNING FROM SOMETHING. 491 00:22:21,408 --> 00:22:22,375 WELL, HE'S RUNNING FROM US. 492 00:22:22,409 --> 00:22:24,977 BUT WHY GO BACK HOME NOW, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS? 493 00:22:25,011 --> 00:22:26,646 SOMETHING BROUGHT HIM BACK. 494 00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:28,548 ROCHELLE JENKINS WAS IN HER 40s, 495 00:22:28,581 --> 00:22:29,449 SO WE CAN ASSUME HE IS, TOO. 496 00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:32,452 OK, SO WHY DO PEOPLE COME HOME AT THAT AGE? 497 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:35,588 FAMILY, SPECIAL OCCASIONS, FUNERAL. 498 00:22:35,622 --> 00:22:36,556 WAIT A MINUTE. 499 00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:38,425 YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN JET? 500 00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:41,861 YES, ZIMMERMAN, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE DO. 501 00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:42,729 [MURMURING] 502 00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:43,896 SHOW THEM, PENELOPE. 503 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:45,665 ONE SECOND... 504 00:22:45,698 --> 00:22:47,033 OK. THERE YOU GO. 505 00:22:47,066 --> 00:22:49,035 Students: OOH... PRETTY SWEET, HUH? 506 00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:49,969 YEAH. 507 00:22:50,002 --> 00:22:50,970 [LAUGHTER] 508 00:22:51,003 --> 00:22:54,140 HEY, GUYS, A MISSING PERSONS REPORT JUST CAME IN. 509 00:22:54,173 --> 00:22:55,975 42 YEARS OLD, GRACE POWELL, MOTHER OF TWO, 510 00:22:56,008 --> 00:22:57,877 WENT OUT FOR GIRLS NIGHT, NEVER CAME HOME. 511 00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:59,412 THAT'S GOTTA BE HIM. 512 00:22:59,446 --> 00:23:02,114 GARCIA, WHERE DID HE TAKE HER FROM? 513 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:02,882 UM... 514 00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:05,618 I RECOGNIZED THE PLACE IMMEDIATELY. 515 00:23:05,652 --> 00:23:08,688 IT WAS HARD TO FORGET. 516 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:12,925 THIS IS WHERE HE TOOK TINA DYSON FROM IN '92. 517 00:23:12,959 --> 00:23:14,961 THIS RESTAURANT WAS A DIVE BAR. 518 00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:17,096 A DIVE BAR? IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? 519 00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:18,631 THINGS WERE DIFFERENT THEN. 520 00:23:18,665 --> 00:23:19,899 HE DIDN'T JUST COME BACK HOME. 521 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:21,768 HE RETURNED TO THE EXACT SAME SPOT. 522 00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:24,737 BUT WHY HERE? WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS PLACE? 523 00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:27,640 IT'S WHERE HE GRABBED ONE OF HIS FIRST KILLS. 524 00:23:27,674 --> 00:23:29,642 THE FIRST ONES ARE ALWAYS SIGNIFICANT. 525 00:23:29,676 --> 00:23:31,744 AND THIS IS WHERE MY PARTICULAR SKILL SET COMES IN HANDY. 526 00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:36,683 SEE, I AM LIKE ONE OF THOSE WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN PRISON MOVIES 527 00:23:36,716 --> 00:23:37,717 THAT CAN GET YOU ANYTHING YOU NEED. 528 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,052 AND WE NEEDED TO KNOW EVERYTHING THERE WAS TO KNOW 529 00:23:40,086 --> 00:23:42,121 ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY. 530 00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:43,490 SO I WENT HONEY BADGER. 531 00:23:43,523 --> 00:23:46,459 I DUG UP POLICE REPORTS, NEWS ARTICLES, 532 00:23:46,493 --> 00:23:47,627 PARKING TICKETS, EVEN. 533 00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:50,663 IF ANYTHING WENT DOWN IN THAT AREA IN THE LAST 40 YEARS, 534 00:23:50,697 --> 00:23:51,864 I KNEW ABOUT IT. 535 00:23:51,898 --> 00:23:52,999 AND I FOUND ZIP. 536 00:23:53,032 --> 00:23:54,601 ZERO. STINGY WITH DINERO. 537 00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:56,736 COUPLE OF FENDER-BENDERS. A BAR FIGHT. 538 00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:59,506 THERE WAS A HOMELESS GUY WHO WAS INTO MOONING PEOPLE, 539 00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:01,173 BUT NO LIFE-CHANGERS. 540 00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:04,544 SO I EXTENDED MY SEARCH ANOTHER 10 YEARS 541 00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:06,579 AND I FOUND THIS. 542 00:24:06,913 --> 00:24:10,750 THIS IS A POLICE REPORT FROM 1966, 543 00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:13,219 WHERE A 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL WAS FOUND RAPED 544 00:24:13,252 --> 00:24:15,688 IN A PARKED CAR ON THAT STREET. 545 00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:16,556 BUT SHE WAS A MINOR, 546 00:24:16,589 --> 00:24:17,690 SO HER NAME WASN'T LISTED ON THE REPORT. 547 00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:20,593 WELL, WHAT'S THIS GIRL GOT TO DO WITH A SERIAL KILLER? 548 00:24:20,627 --> 00:24:23,563 PUMP YOUR BRAKES, SWEETCAKES, 'CAUSE I'M BRINGING IT HOME. 549 00:24:23,596 --> 00:24:25,832 IT TURNS OUT THAT JANE DOE, INSTEAD OF GIVEN A NAME, 550 00:24:25,865 --> 00:24:27,800 SHE WAS GIVEN A PATIENT NUMBER. 551 00:24:27,834 --> 00:24:28,868 SO I TRACKED THAT NUMBER, 552 00:24:28,901 --> 00:24:31,704 AND IT TURNED OUT THAT SHE WENT BACK TO THAT HOSPITAL 553 00:24:31,738 --> 00:24:34,574 SEVERAL TIMES AFTER... 554 00:24:34,607 --> 00:24:35,875 FOR PRENATAL CARE. 555 00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:38,745 AND SHE EVENTUALLY BROUGHT THAT BABY TO TERM. 556 00:24:38,778 --> 00:24:44,183 [SCREAMING] 557 00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:48,788 AAH! 558 00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:51,190 Rossi: SHE HEMORRHAGED BADLY DURING CHILDBIRTH, 559 00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:54,193 AND DURING HER EMERGENCY HYSTERECTOMY 560 00:24:54,226 --> 00:24:56,696 SHE DIED. 561 00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:58,898 IT WAS AT THAT POINT THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND 562 00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:00,967 THE CORRESPONDING DEATH CERTIFICATE 563 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,769 AND GET HER NAME. 564 00:25:02,802 --> 00:25:04,236 GEORGINA YATES. 565 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:06,105 HER SON THOMAS YATES SURVIVED. 566 00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:08,641 HE WAS PUT INTO THE CUSTODY OF HIS GRANDPARENTS 567 00:25:08,675 --> 00:25:11,277 TRUDY AND ROY YATES, GEORGINA'S PARENTS. 568 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:16,115 WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THOMAS... 569 00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:17,183 WE KNEW. 570 00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:19,051 Garcia: GROWING UP, HE GOT KICKED OUT OF TWO SCHOOLS, 571 00:25:19,085 --> 00:25:21,287 BOTH TIMES FOR STARTING FIRES. 572 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,022 FIRE-STARTING IS THE FIRST PART 573 00:25:23,055 --> 00:25:25,291 OF WHAT WE USED TO CALL THE HOMICIDAL TRIAD. 574 00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:28,795 THE OTHER TWO PARTS ARE BEDWETTING AND CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. 575 00:25:28,828 --> 00:25:31,263 HE WAS ALSO IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM A LOT AS A KID. 576 00:25:31,297 --> 00:25:34,300 HE HAD A BROKEN ARM, BURNS, HE BROKE A RIB ONCE. 577 00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:37,904 SO HE WAS EITHER VERY CLUMSY OR HE WAS BEING BEATEN. 578 00:25:37,937 --> 00:25:40,907 THEN WHEN HE WAS 15, HE COMMITTED HIS FIRST MURDER. 579 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:45,978 HE WAS A SKINNY KID WHO SNAPPED AND STABBED A BULLY AT SCHOOL. 580 00:25:46,012 --> 00:25:49,682 [GRUNTING] 581 00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:54,186 HE WAS CONVICTED, SERVED 3 YEARS IN JUVEY, 582 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:57,890 ANOTHER 7 IN PRISON, AND THEN HE WAS RELEASED ON PAROLE. 583 00:25:57,924 --> 00:25:59,325 BUT WHEN HE WAS ON THE INSIDE, 584 00:25:59,358 --> 00:26:01,193 HE SPILLED HIS GUTS TO THE PRISON SHRINK. 585 00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:04,096 HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HIS GRANDMOTHER WOULD STARVE HIM 586 00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:05,798 AND MAKE HIM SLEEP IN THE DOG HOUSE. 587 00:26:05,832 --> 00:26:07,834 HOW SHE WOULD BEAT HIM SENSELESS... 588 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:08,701 I WISH YOU WERE NEVER BORN! 589 00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:10,837 AND SIT ON HIM UNTIL HE COULDN'T BREATHE. 590 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:11,871 YOU'RE A CURSE! 591 00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:13,105 I HATE YOU! 592 00:26:13,139 --> 00:26:14,941 AND YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVED THIS GUY? 593 00:26:14,974 --> 00:26:17,243 THE PRISON PSYCHIATRIST CONCLUDED THAT THOMAS 594 00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:19,278 [CELL PHONE VIBRATES] WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. 595 00:26:19,311 --> 00:26:20,813 HIS CHILDHOOD MEDICAL RECORDS 596 00:26:20,847 --> 00:26:22,949 ALSO CORROBORATED THIS STORY. 597 00:26:22,982 --> 00:26:24,817 AND AT THAT POINT WE REALIZED IT WASN'T THE MOTHER 598 00:26:24,851 --> 00:26:26,919 BUT THE GRANDMOTHER WHO WAS THE OBJECT OF HIS RAGE. 599 00:26:26,953 --> 00:26:29,121 Woman: I HAVE SENATOR HENDRICKS ON THE LINE. 600 00:26:29,155 --> 00:26:31,190 THEN I FIND OUT HIS GRANDFATHER HAD JUST DIED, 601 00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:32,959 AND HIS GRANDMOTHER HAD LUNG CANCER 602 00:26:32,992 --> 00:26:36,796 AND SHE HAD JUST BEEN ADMITTED INTO HOSPICE CARE. 603 00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:42,702 AND THAT IS WHAT BROUGHT THOMAS HOME. 604 00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:54,246 EXCUSE ME, UH, MRS. TRUDY YATES? 605 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,514 WHO ARE YOU? 606 00:26:55,547 --> 00:26:57,984 I'M AGENT PRENTISS. THIS IS AGENT JAREAU. WE'RE WITH THE FBI. 607 00:26:58,017 --> 00:27:00,419 FBI? YOU GOT THE RIGHT TRUDY YATES? 608 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:03,055 YES, I'M PRETTY SURE WE DO, MA'AM. 609 00:27:03,089 --> 00:27:05,091 YOU'RE THOMAS' GRANDMOTHER, RIGHT? 610 00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:06,025 WHAT ABOUT IT? 611 00:27:06,058 --> 00:27:07,293 WE'RE LOOKING FOR HIM. 612 00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:10,096 TOMMY? HE IN TROUBLE? 613 00:27:10,129 --> 00:27:12,331 WHAT'D HE DO THIS TIME? 614 00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:14,033 DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE IS? 615 00:27:14,066 --> 00:27:14,801 NO IDEA. 616 00:27:14,834 --> 00:27:17,103 WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW HIM? 617 00:27:17,136 --> 00:27:19,972 THE DAY HE PUT ME IN THIS DAMN PLACE. 618 00:27:20,006 --> 00:27:22,875 MY DAUGHTER'S WOMB WAS CURSED. 619 00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:25,945 THAT BOY WAS A BASTARD BORN IN SIN. 620 00:27:25,978 --> 00:27:29,415 NOTHING GOOD COMES OUT OF SIN. 621 00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,452 THIS IS ALL WE HAVE. 622 00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:36,222 THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE GIVE US A CALL IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE. 623 00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:37,356 WILL DO. 624 00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:39,258 THANK YOU. 625 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:44,931 [RING] 626 00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:46,165 BABY, WHAT CAN I DO YOU FOR? 627 00:27:46,198 --> 00:27:48,467 HEY, MAMA, I NEED YOU TO RUN A NUMBER. 628 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,003 206-555-0112. 629 00:27:51,037 --> 00:27:54,807 OKEY-DOKEY. IT IS A PREPAID CELL PHONE, HASN'T BEEN USED IN DAYS. 630 00:27:54,841 --> 00:27:56,075 AND WHAT ABOUT THIS ADDRESS? 631 00:27:56,108 --> 00:27:58,945 2334 DAWSON STREET, UNIT K. 632 00:27:58,978 --> 00:28:02,148 HOLD YOURSELF, PLEASE. 633 00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:09,722 UNIT K? HE NEEDS TO BE MORE ISOLATED THAN AN APARTMENT. 634 00:28:09,756 --> 00:28:11,157 IT WAS A STORAGE CONTAINER. 635 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:15,795 THE SAME STORAGE CONTAINER WHERE HIS GRANDMOTHER'S STUFF WAS BEING HELD. 636 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,815 YOU SMELL THAT? 637 00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:38,951 IT'S COFFEE. 638 00:28:39,986 --> 00:28:42,454 FBI! 639 00:28:42,488 --> 00:28:44,456 DROP IT. 640 00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:50,096 THOMAS YATES, YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. 641 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,002 SHE'S STILL GOT A PULSE. 642 00:28:56,035 --> 00:28:58,771 CALLING AN AMBULANCE. 643 00:28:58,805 --> 00:28:59,906 AGENT ROSSI. 644 00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:04,811 NICE TO MEET YOU AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. 645 00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:10,917 WE GOT GRACE POWELL TO THE HOSPITAL IN TIME 646 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:11,984 AND THEY SAVED HER LIFE. 647 00:29:12,018 --> 00:29:12,852 THOUGH I'M NOT SURE 648 00:29:12,885 --> 00:29:15,521 HER PSYCHOLOGICAL WOUNDS WILL EVER HEAL. 649 00:29:15,554 --> 00:29:17,824 HOW COME I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS GUY? 650 00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,860 HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF EFREN SALDIVAR? 651 00:29:20,893 --> 00:29:21,828 NO. 652 00:29:21,861 --> 00:29:23,395 DAVID PARKER RAY. 653 00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:25,832 HOW ABOUT JOHN EDWARD ROBINSON? 654 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:30,036 SEE, AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE HAVE AT LEAST 25 OPEN CASES. 655 00:29:30,069 --> 00:29:32,571 EVERY YEAR WE'RE ABLE TO CLOSE AROUND 15, 656 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,874 YET NEW ONES STILL SEEM TO POP UP. 657 00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:38,544 THERE ARE MORE SERIAL KILLERS OUT THERE THAN YOU MAY THINK. 658 00:29:38,577 --> 00:29:41,047 BUT WE FINALLY HAD YATES IN CUSTODY, 659 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,583 AND WE QUESTIONED HIM FOR TWO WEEKS STRAIGHT. 660 00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:46,886 WE ALL TOOK TURNS. 661 00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:48,554 HE DIDN'T SAY A WORD. 662 00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:50,322 NEVER ASKED FOR A BATHROOM BREAK, 663 00:29:50,356 --> 00:29:51,958 GLASS OF WATER, NOTHING. 664 00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:54,193 I THOUGHT GIVEN HIS M.O., BEING FEMALE, 665 00:29:54,226 --> 00:29:57,596 I MIGHT BE ABLE TO STRIKE A NERVE, GET HIM TO OPEN UP, 666 00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,599 BUT HE JUST SAT THERE, FOR HOURS. 667 00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:03,069 STAYING ABSOLUTELY SILENT UNDER THAT KIND OF PRESSURE 668 00:30:03,102 --> 00:30:05,938 WAS A SKILL HE UNDOUBTEDLY LEARNED AS A CHILD. 669 00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:07,439 HE WAS RENDERED SILENT FOR SO LONG, 670 00:30:07,473 --> 00:30:09,275 IT BECAME A CONDITIONED RESPONSE. 671 00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:11,510 BUT WE HAD HIM SAFELY IN CUSTODY. 672 00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:12,744 AND WE HAD OTHER CASES TO SOLVE. 673 00:30:12,778 --> 00:30:16,615 EVENTUALLY YATES WAS TRIED AND HE RECEIVED THE DEATH PENALTY. 674 00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,584 AND LIFE WENT ON. 675 00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:22,521 THEN TWO YEARS AGO TODAY... 676 00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:23,923 I GOT A CALL. 677 00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:27,626 [CELL PHONE RINGS] 678 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:28,527 ROSSI. 679 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,063 Recording: YOU HAVE A CALL FROM AN INMATE 680 00:30:31,097 --> 00:30:32,531 IN A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY. 681 00:30:32,564 --> 00:30:34,633 INMATE, STATE YOUR NAME. 682 00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:36,302 IT'S TOMMY YATES. 683 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:38,604 THIS CALL MAY BE MONITORED AND RECORDED. 684 00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:40,639 PRESS 2 IF YOU ACCEPT THE CHARGES. 685 00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:41,707 IF NOT, HANG UP. 686 00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:44,543 HE CALLED YOU PERSONALLY? HOW'D HE GET YOUR NUMBER? 687 00:30:44,576 --> 00:30:46,278 PROBABLY FROM HIS ATTORNEY. 688 00:30:46,312 --> 00:30:47,413 WHAT DID HE WANT? 689 00:30:47,446 --> 00:30:48,614 HE WANTED TO MAKE A DEAL, 690 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:52,418 AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE HE WOULD MAKE IT WITH. 691 00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:10,202 CAN WE BE ALONE, PLEASE? 692 00:31:19,011 --> 00:31:21,113 [DOOR CLOSES] 693 00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:24,116 WHAT DO YOU WANT? 694 00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:25,617 NICE TO SEE YOU, TOO. 695 00:31:25,651 --> 00:31:27,954 WHY AM I HERE, YATES? 696 00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,188 I TOLD YOU. 697 00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:31,991 I WANT TO MAKE A DEAL. 698 00:31:32,959 --> 00:31:34,393 YOU'RE ON DEATH ROW, 699 00:31:34,426 --> 00:31:39,898 NOT EXACTLY A STRONG NEGOTIATING POSITION. 700 00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:44,236 I'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU. 701 00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:46,438 IT'S A PRESENT. 702 00:31:46,472 --> 00:31:48,140 OPEN IT. 703 00:31:48,174 --> 00:31:49,341 WHAT IS IT? 704 00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:52,111 OPEN IT AND SEE. 705 00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:57,984 YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE. 706 00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:03,355 SURPRISE. 707 00:32:03,389 --> 00:32:06,425 THOSE ARE SOME OF THE GIRLS I TOOK. 708 00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:10,229 THE ONES YOU DIDN'T FIND. 709 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:13,499 THERE'S 40 THERE. 710 00:32:17,103 --> 00:32:18,437 WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE YOU? 711 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:20,606 I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ASK THAT. 712 00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:22,741 IT'S ALL PART OF THE DEAL. 713 00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:24,743 LOOK, LET'S GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT. 714 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,245 THERE IS NO DEAL. 715 00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:27,213 NOT YET. 716 00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:28,547 NOT EVER. 717 00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:32,051 THERE'S ACTUALLY 101 NAMES. 718 00:32:32,084 --> 00:32:34,486 AND I REMEMBER ALL OF THEM. 719 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,090 AND I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I PUT THEM. 720 00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:40,426 HERE'S WHAT I WANT. 721 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:43,029 ONE--NO DEATH PENALTY. 722 00:32:43,062 --> 00:32:45,231 I DON'T CARE IF I ROT IN HERE. 723 00:32:45,264 --> 00:32:47,733 BUT NO CHAIR AND NO INJECTIONS. 724 00:32:47,766 --> 00:32:51,237 2--I WANT A TRANSFER TO THE EAST COAST. 725 00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:54,306 GRANDMA'S DEAD. NOTHING HOLDING ME HERE. 726 00:32:54,340 --> 00:33:00,112 PLUS, I LIKE THE IDEA OF SNOW IN THE WINTER. 727 00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:01,547 NEVER REALLY HAD THAT GROWING UP. 728 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:06,318 I DIDN'T COME ALL THIS WAY TO GET SMOKE BLOWN UP MY ASS. 729 00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:09,055 AFTER I GET MY SENTENCE COMMUTED 730 00:33:09,088 --> 00:33:10,256 AND MY TRANSFER, 731 00:33:10,289 --> 00:33:12,191 I'LL GIVE YOU MORE NAMES. 732 00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:14,326 BUT ONLY ONE EACH YEAR. 733 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,163 TO KEEP YOU HONEST. 734 00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,465 YOU UNDERSTAND. 735 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,201 ANYTHING ELSE? 736 00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:23,502 YES. 737 00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:27,106 I GET TO DECIDE WHEN YOU GET THE NAME. 738 00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:30,542 IT'LL BE ON A SPECIAL DAY OF MY CHOOSING. 739 00:33:30,576 --> 00:33:36,382 AND YOU HAVE TO COME AND GET IT FROM ME PERSONALLY. 740 00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:39,218 WHAT DO YOU SAY, AGENT? 741 00:33:39,251 --> 00:33:42,288 HMM? 742 00:33:42,321 --> 00:33:44,556 DEAL? 743 00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:49,061 WE CHECKED THE LIST HE GAVE US, 744 00:33:49,095 --> 00:33:50,529 AND THEN WE WENT OUT TO THE LOCATIONS 745 00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:52,798 WHERE HE SAID HE'D DUMPED THE BODIES, 746 00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:54,566 AND WE FOUND ALL 40. 747 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,270 DID YOU ACTUALLY MAKE A DEAL WITH THAT MANIAC? 748 00:33:58,304 --> 00:33:59,805 WE DID. 749 00:33:59,838 --> 00:34:00,872 NOT TO BEND TO HIS WILL, 750 00:34:00,906 --> 00:34:04,510 BUT TO BRING THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS SOME PEACE. 751 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:07,146 I'D BEEN ON THE CASE SO LONG, I FELT OBLIGATED 752 00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:10,416 TO CONTACT EACH OF THE FAMILIES PERSONALLY. 753 00:34:10,449 --> 00:34:12,418 MRS. RUTH THOMAS? 754 00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:17,656 I'M AGENT DAVID ROSSI FROM THE FBI. 755 00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:22,128 I HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER SARAH. 756 00:34:22,161 --> 00:34:27,166 I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT BAD NEWS ABOUT JESSICA... 757 00:34:30,402 --> 00:34:35,107 WE FOUND CHLOE TWO DAYS AGO IN GRIFFITH PARK. 758 00:34:35,141 --> 00:34:36,808 [SOBS] 759 00:34:36,842 --> 00:34:42,114 I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW SORRY I AM FOR YOUR LOSS. 760 00:34:47,353 --> 00:34:51,890 IF I CAN DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL, 761 00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:55,594 PLEASE DON'T HESITATE. 762 00:35:21,253 --> 00:35:26,792 DOES IT EVER GET HARD DEALING WITH ALL THAT TRAGEDY? 763 00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:30,196 YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY. 764 00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:33,299 SOME CASES, THEY END WELL, SO YOU CAN FORGET THEM. 765 00:35:33,332 --> 00:35:35,734 AND SOME, LIKE THIS ONE... 766 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:38,404 THEY BECOME A PART OF YOU. 767 00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:40,439 DEAD KIDS. 768 00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:42,208 MUTILATED BODIES. 769 00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:43,775 IT'S ALL SO HORRIBLE. 770 00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:46,144 HOW DO YOU DO IT? 771 00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:52,351 IRISH STATESMAN AND AUTHOR EDMUND BURKE ONCE WROTE, 772 00:35:52,384 --> 00:35:55,821 "THE ONLY THING NECESSARY FOR THE TRIUMPH OF EVIL 773 00:35:55,854 --> 00:35:59,591 IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING." 774 00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:03,295 THIS JOB ISN'T JUST WHAT I DO, 775 00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:04,963 IT'S WHO I AM. 776 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,865 IS IT WORTH IT? 777 00:36:06,898 --> 00:36:09,835 FOR EVERY LIFE WE SAVE? 778 00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:11,503 DAMN RIGHT IT IS. 779 00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:12,871 ABSOLUTELY IT'S WORTH IT. 780 00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,608 I CAN'T IMAGINE DOING ANYTHING ELSE. 781 00:36:19,278 --> 00:36:20,178 YES, MR. ZIMMERMAN. 782 00:36:20,212 --> 00:36:24,550 SO, YOU HAVE TO GO VISIT THIS GUY EVERY YEAR 783 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:27,219 TO GET THE NAME OF ANOTHER VICTIM. 784 00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:28,387 THAT'S RIGHT. 785 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:31,590 SO WHAT WAS THE SPECIAL DAY OF HIS CHOOSING? 786 00:36:35,427 --> 00:36:37,829 YOU REALLY DON'T WANT US TO GO WITH YOU? 787 00:36:37,863 --> 00:36:38,964 IT'S NO TROUBLE AT ALL. 788 00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:39,665 NO, IT'S OK. 789 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:40,932 ROSSI, IT'S LIKE 2 HOURS AWAY. 790 00:36:40,966 --> 00:36:44,436 COME ON, I CAN DRIVE. I'LL GET US THERE IN LESS THAN AN HOUR. 791 00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:45,304 I'M GOOD, REALLY. 792 00:36:45,337 --> 00:36:47,639 WE COULD STOP FOR DINNER ON THE WAY HOME. 793 00:36:47,673 --> 00:36:48,274 STOP. 794 00:36:48,307 --> 00:36:50,509 ALL OF YOU. I'LL BE FINE. 795 00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:53,512 WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. 796 00:36:53,545 --> 00:36:55,847 YOU BET. 797 00:36:58,284 --> 00:37:00,452 OHH, IS HE GONNA BE OK? 798 00:37:00,486 --> 00:37:02,354 OF COURSE HE IS. 799 00:37:02,388 --> 00:37:05,257 IT'S ROSSI. 800 00:37:48,033 --> 00:37:49,435 AGENT ROSSI. 801 00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:53,305 I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN A YEAR ALREADY. 802 00:37:53,339 --> 00:37:56,408 TIME FLIES. 803 00:37:57,409 --> 00:37:59,978 MAN, YOU MUST HAVE SOME SERIOUS JUICE. 804 00:38:00,011 --> 00:38:03,515 THOUGHT FOR SURE WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO CANCEL. 805 00:38:03,549 --> 00:38:06,485 RIOT IN THE YARD, TIGHT-ASS WARDEN. 806 00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:11,390 WHOLE PLACE IS LOCKED DOWN. 807 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:15,794 ANY PLANS FOR THE BIG DAY? 808 00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:22,534 COME ON. YOU SHOULD GET OUT AND DO SOMETHING. 809 00:38:22,568 --> 00:38:25,504 NEVER KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE YOU GOT LEFT. 810 00:38:25,537 --> 00:38:26,638 WHAT'S HER NAME? 811 00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:30,576 I USED TO HATE BIRTHDAYS WHEN I WAS A KID. 812 00:38:30,609 --> 00:38:33,612 THAT'S WHY I LIKE CELEBRATING YOURS. 813 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,882 HER NAME. 814 00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:47,025 TOOK HER IN EUREKA. 815 00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:51,463 DROVE HER OUT TO THE HEADWATERS FOREST PRESERVE 816 00:38:51,497 --> 00:38:54,466 UP ON ELK RIVER ROAD. 817 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,469 100 YARDS SOUTH OF THE TRAILHEAD, 818 00:38:57,503 --> 00:39:01,407 PUT HER UNDER A BIG OLD SEQUOIA. 819 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:15,887 [KNOCKING] 820 00:39:15,921 --> 00:39:19,357 OPEN GATE 241. 821 00:39:20,492 --> 00:39:25,931 [YATES HUMMING "HAPPY BIRTHDAY"] 822 00:39:25,964 --> 00:39:30,569 * HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU 823 00:39:30,602 --> 00:39:31,770 [DOOR CLOSES AND LOCKS] 824 00:39:31,803 --> 00:39:37,175 * HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU 825 00:39:37,208 --> 00:39:44,483 * HAPPY BIRTHDAY, AGENT ROSSI 826 00:39:44,516 --> 00:39:50,789 * HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU 827 00:39:52,123 --> 00:39:55,694 AND MANY MORE. 828 00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:21,119 CAPTIONED BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE --www.ncicap.org--