1 00:00:05,506 --> 00:00:07,924 Previously on Criminal Minds: Evolution... 2 00:00:07,925 --> 00:00:11,177 I used your birth name and you didn't even notice. 3 00:00:11,178 --> 00:00:16,599 This is where Lee Duval died and where Elias Voit was born. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,646 Do you feel in your heart of hearts that you're a good person? 5 00:00:21,146 --> 00:00:24,233 I feel like I can be. 6 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:28,653 I wouldn't trouble you were it not of the utmost importance. 7 00:00:28,654 --> 00:00:30,446 What is it you think you have? 8 00:00:30,447 --> 00:00:32,406 Dare I say a manifesto. 9 00:00:32,407 --> 00:00:36,328 "Some may call me a fan, but He must call me God." 10 00:00:37,496 --> 00:00:39,789 {\an8}- Hello, Brian. - Whoa. Special guest appearance? 11 00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:42,667 Do not say one word about him being here. 12 00:00:42,668 --> 00:00:44,669 Hi, you're live on the air. 13 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:46,546 With whom do we have the pleasure of speaking? 14 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:47,798 Call me God. 15 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:53,010 "Are you trying to profile me?" 16 00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:55,097 I'm not speaking to you. 17 00:00:55,597 --> 00:01:00,476 I'm speaking to Lance Kingston, the man you're holding captive. 18 00:01:00,477 --> 00:01:01,852 Penelope, talk to me. 19 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:03,312 Okay, I got him. I got him. 20 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:06,774 He's at the Stash-All Storage Facility in Richmond, Virginia. 21 00:01:06,775 --> 00:01:09,235 It's a garage unit being rented by Lance Kingston. 22 00:01:09,236 --> 00:01:11,654 - Is he there? - Is who here? 23 00:01:11,655 --> 00:01:13,447 - Voit. - No. 24 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:17,618 Stop! He's gonna kill me. 25 00:01:17,619 --> 00:01:19,620 - Yes, he's here. - No! 26 00:01:19,621 --> 00:01:21,205 Voit is here! Elias Voit is here. 27 00:01:21,206 --> 00:01:22,207 You can talk to him. 28 00:01:24,042 --> 00:01:25,419 What just happened? 29 00:01:26,461 --> 00:01:28,046 You just caused a man's death. 30 00:01:43,854 --> 00:01:46,355 We've got roadblocks up in a five and ten mile radius. 31 00:01:46,356 --> 00:01:48,733 We might have a victim inside, and he might still be alive. 32 00:01:48,734 --> 00:01:50,277 FBI, open up! 33 00:02:03,165 --> 00:02:04,582 Oh, Jesus. 34 00:02:04,583 --> 00:02:06,292 Is that... 35 00:02:06,293 --> 00:02:07,502 It's flesh. 36 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:09,713 Burnt flesh. 37 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:27,146 {\an8}He's been branded. 38 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:34,195 {\an8}The residual smoke from the burn would only last five to ten minutes. 39 00:02:34,196 --> 00:02:36,364 Well, then the Fan couldn't have gotten far. 40 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:37,783 Let's go. 41 00:02:42,245 --> 00:02:44,081 - You find a pulse? - It's there. 42 00:02:45,207 --> 00:02:47,166 It's weak and thready, but it's there. 43 00:03:01,973 --> 00:03:05,267 Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. 44 00:03:05,268 --> 00:03:07,061 Seek what they sought. 45 00:03:07,062 --> 00:03:08,562 Matsuo Bashō. 46 00:03:16,405 --> 00:03:19,907 {\an8}Lance Kingston is alive. 47 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:20,909 {\an8}Oh! 48 00:03:21,618 --> 00:03:22,786 {\an8}Thank God! 49 00:03:23,704 --> 00:03:24,870 {\an8}Oh! 50 00:03:24,871 --> 00:03:27,874 {\an8}Oh... ...Oh! 51 00:03:28,542 --> 00:03:30,459 {\an8}Sheila said this. 52 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:32,962 {\an8}She said this... ...right before she left me. 53 00:03:32,963 --> 00:03:35,339 {\an8}She said, "You're going to get somebody hurt." 54 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:37,091 {\an8}And then it came true. She was right. 55 00:03:37,092 --> 00:03:41,387 {\an8}I don't know how it happened, but she was right. Ah! 56 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:42,889 {\an8}Pfft. 57 00:03:50,647 --> 00:03:52,274 {\an8}I am done. 58 00:03:53,358 --> 00:03:56,819 {\an8}No more Sicarius Files. No more conspiracies. 59 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:58,988 {\an8}I am out for real. 60 00:03:58,989 --> 00:04:01,282 {\an8}- For real? - Absolutely! 61 00:04:01,283 --> 00:04:04,535 {\an8}What happened to Lance is gonna weigh on my heart for the rest of my life. 62 00:04:04,536 --> 00:04:07,747 {\an8}Oh, I'm sorry to say this, but I'm very happy to hear that. 63 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:12,126 {\an8}I'm kinda over-leveraged right now because of the success of the podcast. 64 00:04:12,127 --> 00:04:15,171 {\an8}I was okay before the money or the perks, 65 00:04:15,172 --> 00:04:18,007 {\an8}I mean, I'll... ...find a way to be fine again. 66 00:04:18,008 --> 00:04:19,091 {\an8}Yeah. 67 00:04:28,602 --> 00:04:29,603 {\an8}Wait, 68 00:04:30,896 --> 00:04:32,605 {\an8}did you throw up in here? 69 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:35,524 {\an8}I was literally sick with worry. 70 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:38,986 {\an8}Emily, I'm so sorry. 71 00:04:38,987 --> 00:04:40,322 {\an8}Bill me for a new one, 72 00:04:41,156 --> 00:04:42,657 {\an8}like a fancy one. 73 00:04:43,617 --> 00:04:44,742 {\an8}Ugh. 74 00:04:44,743 --> 00:04:48,329 {\an8}Is Brian Garrity moonlighting as a janitor for the FBI? 75 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:49,622 {\an8}No. 76 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:52,625 {\an8}He is not moonlighting as anything anymore. 77 00:04:52,626 --> 00:04:54,503 {\an8}Good, because we just got this. 78 00:04:56,546 --> 00:04:57,756 {\an8}Mm-hmm. 79 00:05:08,183 --> 00:05:09,391 {\an8}Look at this. 80 00:05:09,392 --> 00:05:10,684 {\an8}What's this? 81 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:13,772 {\an8}Crime scene report from the storage locker where we found Lance. 82 00:05:15,065 --> 00:05:18,275 {\an8}Well, it's pristine. Is this post-forensics? 83 00:05:18,276 --> 00:05:20,069 {\an8}This is the forensics. 84 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:23,155 {\an8}No fibers, no hair, no nothing. 85 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:26,742 {\an8}And based on the Fan's OCD, I doubt he left any trace. 86 00:05:26,743 --> 00:05:29,036 {\an8}Which means you probably struck out too, didn't you? 87 00:05:29,037 --> 00:05:30,914 {\an8}Yeah, I did. 88 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:35,417 {\an8}The Fan paid for the storage unit in cash under Lance's name, 89 00:05:35,418 --> 00:05:40,548 {\an8}and the rental agreement was typed up on the same typewriter we know so well. 90 00:05:40,549 --> 00:05:44,678 {\an8}Which he also used when he escalated to this. 91 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:47,721 There are eight letters in the word pathetic, 92 00:05:47,722 --> 00:05:51,475 so the Fan put eight brands on each of Lance's arms. 93 00:05:51,476 --> 00:05:52,852 Oh. 94 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:53,937 What? 95 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:58,942 This is the most detailed MO we've seen from the Fan. 96 00:05:59,985 --> 00:06:05,698 Does he still strike you as a "hasn't killed yet" type unsub? 97 00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:07,867 No, he doesn't. 98 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:09,369 So why didn't he kill Lance? 99 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:23,842 There you go. 100 00:06:24,676 --> 00:06:26,052 Doesn't hurt. 101 00:06:26,803 --> 00:06:28,346 Why doesn't it hurt? 102 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:35,895 Third degree burns destroy the nerves in your skin, including your pain receptors. 103 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:39,231 Lance, anything you can remember about what happened from the moment 104 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:42,485 you were abducted will help us catch the person who did this to you. 105 00:06:45,488 --> 00:06:46,573 I woke up. 106 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:49,618 I was facing a monitor. 107 00:06:51,161 --> 00:06:52,911 He told me to read off it. 108 00:06:52,912 --> 00:06:54,497 That's all he said. 109 00:06:57,626 --> 00:06:59,169 Is this because of Laura? 110 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:01,962 What do you mean? 111 00:07:01,963 --> 00:07:05,300 First time you questioned me was because... 112 00:07:06,926 --> 00:07:11,473 because I was being an asshole to Laura after she dumped me. 113 00:07:13,725 --> 00:07:16,143 Is this all revenge for that? 114 00:07:16,144 --> 00:07:18,520 - It's complicated. - Mmm. 115 00:07:18,521 --> 00:07:20,648 We think that he may have targeted you 116 00:07:20,649 --> 00:07:25,362 so that we were distracted investigating you instead of him. 117 00:07:25,987 --> 00:07:27,781 Maybe I was pathetic. 118 00:07:31,201 --> 00:07:32,827 Maybe I still am. 119 00:07:38,083 --> 00:07:40,251 But I don't deserve this. 120 00:07:40,919 --> 00:07:42,253 No, you don't. 121 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,632 So, anything you can remember... 122 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:49,094 you contact me. 123 00:07:49,678 --> 00:07:52,806 And you can show him how not pathetic you are on the witness stand. 124 00:07:55,225 --> 00:07:56,226 All right? 125 00:07:58,603 --> 00:08:00,145 We got another case. 126 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:02,022 It doesn't stop. 127 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:04,024 Of course we do. Where's this one? 128 00:08:04,025 --> 00:08:07,277 Right in our backyard, uh, two women who made their living 129 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:11,198 {\an8}showing their wares on the internet as camgirls have been murdered. 130 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,158 {\an8}Regina Madsen and Lexie Clery. 131 00:08:13,159 --> 00:08:14,868 Both were super popular streamers. 132 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:16,578 Did they stream on the same site? 133 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:17,663 No, different platforms. 134 00:08:17,664 --> 00:08:20,416 Camgirls stream from all over the world. 135 00:08:20,417 --> 00:08:23,627 How did the unsub find two in the same geographical area? 136 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:27,297 Well, if either girl made a video that showed outfacing windows or mentioned 137 00:08:27,298 --> 00:08:30,300 their location even vaguely, a good tracker would be able to find them. 138 00:08:30,301 --> 00:08:33,637 Uh, like how we found Laura Boyd using that tree in the background. 139 00:08:33,638 --> 00:08:35,556 - Mmm. - Is it possible this is the Fan? 140 00:08:35,557 --> 00:08:37,850 He uses Lance to give us the message he's not pathetic, 141 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:40,811 and then leaves the dead bodies of two camgirls to prove it? 142 00:08:40,812 --> 00:08:43,522 Well, don't jump to conclusions yet. We don't know if it's connected. 143 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,149 - Garcia, continue. - Correctamundo. 144 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:50,112 What we do know is that last week Regina went live 145 00:08:50,113 --> 00:08:53,949 to show her dead body, and then last night, same deal with Lexie. 146 00:08:53,950 --> 00:08:56,326 Wait, so now i-is this real money? 147 00:08:56,327 --> 00:08:58,579 Mm-hmm. Green American dollars. 148 00:08:58,580 --> 00:09:00,164 They both asphyxiated on it. 149 00:09:00,165 --> 00:09:01,874 That's a hell of a murder weapon. 150 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,084 Based on the width of the marks on their bodies, 151 00:09:04,085 --> 00:09:07,880 looks like both women were restrained with leather belts around their torsos. 152 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:10,049 Easier for the unsub to force-feed them. 153 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:11,467 Can we source the leather? 154 00:09:11,468 --> 00:09:13,844 We could try if the unsub hadn't taken the belts with him. 155 00:09:13,845 --> 00:09:17,014 Wait a minute, Lance Kingston said he was restrained by leather belts 156 00:09:17,015 --> 00:09:18,891 and that the Fan took them with him as well. 157 00:09:18,892 --> 00:09:21,560 And Lexie was murdered the same night Lance was branded, 158 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:23,521 less than ten miles away from where we found him. 159 00:09:25,732 --> 00:09:27,983 Now let's jump to conclusions. 160 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:31,153 There's a shared MO of binding the victims with belts. 161 00:09:31,154 --> 00:09:33,405 You might see that, but definitely not three times in one week. 162 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:38,035 Displaying the bodies of the camgirls on a live stream speaks to a desire 163 00:09:38,036 --> 00:09:41,831 to get out a message, but it... it's also a type of exhibitionism. 164 00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:48,128 It is similar to the Fan using Garrity's live podcast to exhibit his power. 165 00:09:48,129 --> 00:09:49,713 Okay, what's the opposing argument? 166 00:09:49,714 --> 00:09:52,549 Well, if both cases are the Fan, 167 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:54,718 then his MO is all over the place. 168 00:09:54,719 --> 00:09:57,429 And what, the money stuffed down the throats 169 00:09:57,430 --> 00:10:01,850 could be him making a statement about the camgirls perceiving greed. 170 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:04,686 That's very different from branding "pathetic." 171 00:10:04,687 --> 00:10:08,065 Exactly. So, we have two murders and one maiming. 172 00:10:08,066 --> 00:10:10,400 Some of the details overlap, some don't. 173 00:10:10,401 --> 00:10:13,278 So, we are going to go where the evidence takes us. 174 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,281 These are two different perpetrators. 175 00:10:16,282 --> 00:10:17,908 Dave, you and I will work on the Fan. 176 00:10:17,909 --> 00:10:19,576 The rest of you investigate the camgirls, 177 00:10:19,577 --> 00:10:21,870 no matter what happens, the clock is ticking. 178 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:23,247 So, we need to move fast. 179 00:10:23,248 --> 00:10:25,834 - Penelope, can you come with me please? - Yeah. 180 00:10:28,795 --> 00:10:31,713 I know I'm asking the impossible, but I need you on both cases. 181 00:10:31,714 --> 00:10:33,549 - Can you do that? - Absolutely. 182 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:37,094 That means prioritization, triage, and when necessary, 183 00:10:37,095 --> 00:10:39,096 you call an audible and ask for help. 184 00:10:39,097 --> 00:10:42,099 Uh, hi. I'm Penelope Garcia. This is what I live for. 185 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:44,143 I mean, I know that the gaggle of you 186 00:10:44,144 --> 00:10:47,187 is the John, Paul and George of crime fighting, but I am the Ringo. 187 00:10:47,188 --> 00:10:48,605 You know, his birthday is July 7th. 188 00:10:48,606 --> 00:10:50,649 That means he's a Cancer and I'm a Cancer rising, 189 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:54,154 so we're the same person, and I've got this. 190 00:10:55,697 --> 00:10:58,824 All right, I have the footage of Lexie and her boyfriend Rocco. 191 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:00,242 Let's run down the timeline. 192 00:11:00,243 --> 00:11:02,703 Lexie and Rocco had just finished a performance. 193 00:11:02,704 --> 00:11:05,706 And the show was, "Hell if the devil was a dominatrix." 194 00:11:05,707 --> 00:11:06,790 Yes. 195 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:11,795 So, uh, looking at this, they did the entire stream from right here. 196 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:12,881 Bad boy. 197 00:11:28,563 --> 00:11:30,231 Lexie gives Rocco a final shock. 198 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:35,736 - Ah. Red. Red. - Uh. 199 00:11:35,737 --> 00:11:38,615 Rocco yells out the safe word and they stop the performance. 200 00:11:39,282 --> 00:11:40,657 - Oh. - Here. 201 00:11:42,202 --> 00:11:45,079 - Better? - Oh. I'm good now. 202 00:11:46,581 --> 00:11:48,040 Lexie and Rocco always made it a point 203 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:49,833 to show their audience their aftercare routine. 204 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:52,211 Our next show starts in an hour. 205 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:56,256 Get in the room early and you might just get a special shout-out from me. 206 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,802 And everything's fine. 207 00:12:00,845 --> 00:12:04,015 Uh, then Rocco leaves the apartment at ten o'clock to get them both some food. 208 00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:06,934 - See you later. - I'll see you in a bit, beautiful. 209 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:11,314 GPS on his phone has him back here by 10:42. 210 00:12:12,148 --> 00:12:13,441 All right, let's go. 211 00:12:19,530 --> 00:12:20,614 All right. 212 00:12:20,615 --> 00:12:23,659 This unsub must have been stalking Lexie online and off. 213 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:26,995 He knew when her next show was, but he also knew to wait until she was alone. 214 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:30,582 Right, so the unsub watches Rocco leave, sneaks in here. 215 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,627 Lexie must have thought it was Rocco. 216 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:37,840 Forget your wallet again? 217 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:39,925 What? 218 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:42,345 Get off of me! 219 00:12:49,727 --> 00:12:50,937 He restrains her. 220 00:12:58,361 --> 00:13:00,112 What are you doing? 221 00:13:00,113 --> 00:13:02,489 What do you want? No! 222 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:04,658 And then he forces the cash down her throat. 223 00:13:04,659 --> 00:13:08,287 That would've required an incredible amount of effort and rage. 224 00:13:10,164 --> 00:13:12,834 She would have been choking on the money, vomiting into it, 225 00:13:14,002 --> 00:13:16,254 but he didn't stop even after she had died. 226 00:13:17,714 --> 00:13:20,340 When he finally finishes, he removes the belt, 227 00:13:20,341 --> 00:13:22,510 turns on the camera, and he leaves. 228 00:13:25,305 --> 00:13:26,889 How much money was it? 229 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:31,226 It's $1,976. 230 00:13:31,227 --> 00:13:35,522 Is there any specific order, one that maybe speaks to an unsub with OCD? 231 00:13:35,523 --> 00:13:37,232 Oh, it doesn't get more OCD than this. 232 00:13:37,233 --> 00:13:39,319 Same denominations for each victim. 233 00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:43,698 Nineteen 100s, three 20s, one ten, one five, one one. 234 00:13:44,574 --> 00:13:46,575 - They're all in sequential order. - Mm-hmm. 235 00:13:46,576 --> 00:13:48,953 And Lexie's numbers pick up where Regina's left off. 236 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:51,788 Which is totally something you guys can track, right? 237 00:13:51,789 --> 00:13:54,958 Well, if this were a money laundering case, yeah, 238 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:58,170 but it's not a crime to ask a teller about sequential bills. 239 00:13:58,171 --> 00:13:59,254 Mmm. 240 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:02,799 No, but it does speak to his OCD and his level of means. 241 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,553 I mean, he dropped nearly $4,000 on two women. 242 00:14:06,095 --> 00:14:08,847 Okay, so whether or not this is the Fan, 243 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:12,017 we need to figure out what 1976 means to him. 244 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:14,771 The Fan, is that Mr. Pathetic? 245 00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:18,149 Thank you, doc. We'll be in touch. 246 00:14:19,150 --> 00:14:20,610 That's not a no. 247 00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:25,864 Okay, forensics is still working on matching the restraint marks 248 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,700 on Lance's arms with that of our poor camgirls... 249 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:32,037 cam women, uh, but the width is the same, 1.5 inches. 250 00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:33,371 That's most men's belts. 251 00:14:33,372 --> 00:14:37,334 Ergo, I have pivoted and I'm using my focusing muscles 252 00:14:37,335 --> 00:14:40,003 to search for the typewriting font on Lance's brands. 253 00:14:40,004 --> 00:14:41,505 Comparing typewriter serifs is 254 00:14:41,506 --> 00:14:43,465 how we helped build the case against the Unabomber. 255 00:14:43,466 --> 00:14:49,179 The serif on Lance's brand is bigger than the letters he wrote to Voit and Garrity. 256 00:14:49,180 --> 00:14:51,598 - Could he have made it himself? - Oh, that's doubtful. 257 00:14:51,599 --> 00:14:53,683 The typewriter bars, the things that make that 258 00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:55,268 click-clacky on the paper, you know-- 259 00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:57,479 We know what typewriter bars are. 260 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,022 There's a lack of variation to them, 261 00:14:59,023 --> 00:15:03,652 but these letters are... are in perfect proportion, you know, apart. 262 00:15:03,653 --> 00:15:05,612 Which means he took the typewriter bars out 263 00:15:05,613 --> 00:15:08,116 of the typewriter to make his own "pathetic" brand. 264 00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:11,618 Which when you step that out, it does make sense with the OCD of it all 265 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:16,081 because the typewriter he's using to write the letters to Voit and Garrity 266 00:15:16,082 --> 00:15:17,249 that's his old faithful, 267 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:20,836 but the one he's using to make the brands, he's just scavenging for parts. 268 00:15:20,837 --> 00:15:27,509 So, all we'd like you to do is track down the brand of the brand, no pun intended. 269 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:30,345 Yes, no, I understand. And ding-ding, uh, good news, um... 270 00:15:30,346 --> 00:15:32,347 The brands, the company kind, not the... 271 00:15:32,348 --> 00:15:35,767 You know what I'm saying, they're available regionally. 272 00:15:35,768 --> 00:15:40,981 Typewriting is a dying art, and large typewriter faces are rare and expensive. 273 00:15:40,982 --> 00:15:44,442 So-So he could have traded with another collector. 274 00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:48,281 That means if we can figure out where he bought it, we can use that to find him. 275 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,282 Good work, Penelope. 276 00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:53,994 Uh, where are we with the streaming sites? 277 00:15:53,995 --> 00:15:56,997 The... the streaming sites that our two dead camgirls used. 278 00:15:56,998 --> 00:15:58,957 Is there any overlap with subscribers? 279 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:02,294 Uh, yes. Uh. Yes, I have a request in for that. 280 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:03,920 You didn't forget, did you? 281 00:16:03,921 --> 00:16:05,422 No, of course not. They're playing hardball. 282 00:16:05,423 --> 00:16:07,757 They don't want to admit that they're hiding a serial killer, 283 00:16:07,758 --> 00:16:10,886 but I play a game I like to call harder ball, 284 00:16:10,887 --> 00:16:14,473 which I'm going to play right now in my office, running in my heels. 285 00:16:19,228 --> 00:16:20,478 Where are we? 286 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:22,314 We're building a pro and con list. 287 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,900 {\an8}Pro, the Fan killed the camgirls and maimed Lance. 288 00:16:24,901 --> 00:16:27,777 {\an8}Con, Regina and Lexie were killed by a separate unsub. 289 00:16:27,778 --> 00:16:29,487 Walk us through both arguments. 290 00:16:29,488 --> 00:16:33,533 On the pro side, the Fan's OCD led to him using sequential bills, 291 00:16:33,534 --> 00:16:37,704 the leather belt restraints, and the live stream spectacle of it all. 292 00:16:37,705 --> 00:16:38,788 And the con? 293 00:16:38,789 --> 00:16:40,707 The agendas are completely different. 294 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:42,542 The Fan's agenda, it's about ego, right? 295 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:43,627 It's a message to Voit. 296 00:16:43,628 --> 00:16:46,046 With the camgirls, it's about femicide. 297 00:16:46,047 --> 00:16:47,797 It's a message to their audiences. 298 00:16:47,798 --> 00:16:50,300 It profiles like the live stream murders in Mexico last year. 299 00:16:50,301 --> 00:16:51,885 And there's also this. 300 00:16:51,886 --> 00:16:53,762 There was nothing left on Lance, 301 00:16:53,763 --> 00:16:58,475 but there was trace evidence of leather on both the camgirls' bodies. 302 00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:01,728 The Fan's OCD won't vary with his victims. 303 00:17:01,729 --> 00:17:04,189 Agreed. So, we separate investigations. 304 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:07,067 Priority will be on the unsub killing camgirls. 305 00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:09,027 Why? They're both urgent. 306 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:13,323 They are, but... ...the Fan knows how to practice discipline. 307 00:17:13,324 --> 00:17:14,950 He won't surface again until he's ready. 308 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:17,953 Whoever is killing these camgirls isn't so patient. 309 00:17:17,954 --> 00:17:19,622 He's going to kill again as soon as he can. 310 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:35,345 What's another word for tremble? 311 00:17:35,346 --> 00:17:38,014 Dude, are you paying attention? We're about to start playing. 312 00:17:38,015 --> 00:17:40,559 I know, but I have to finish this right now or I won't get paid. 313 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:41,643 This guy's intense. 314 00:17:41,644 --> 00:17:45,397 Hey, Trixie, can we have one session uninterrupted by your sex work? 315 00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:49,234 Excuse me, but didn't you beg me to play this game with you because you suck at it? 316 00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:52,070 Whatever, bro. Can it just wait until after this fight? 317 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,030 This is the only time I have to play. 318 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:55,865 Until you can literally fight your own battles, 319 00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:58,285 I'll do my sex work whenever the fuck I want. 320 00:17:58,286 --> 00:18:00,413 Ugh. Just take a break. 321 00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:04,666 Fine. Let me just send a couple more sexy messages, and I'll be ready to fight. 322 00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:06,586 Good. Make it quick. 323 00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:09,754 The word is quiver, by the way. 324 00:18:09,755 --> 00:18:11,798 Quiver. That's perfect. Thank you. 325 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:16,761 You are making me quiver, thinking of your hand on my throat. 326 00:18:16,762 --> 00:18:18,680 - That's good. That's good. - Ugh. 327 00:18:18,681 --> 00:18:19,806 Are you done yet, Trixie? 328 00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:21,851 Almost there. Chill, dude. 329 00:18:23,561 --> 00:18:25,353 I don't judge you with your job. 330 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:27,981 I don't sext with other dudes. 331 00:18:27,982 --> 00:18:29,190 This is good. 332 00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:33,821 Yeah, call me princess, and I'll do whatever you say, Zaddy with a Z. 333 00:18:36,157 --> 00:18:37,575 Uh. Excuse me, what do you-- 334 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:40,411 Percy. 335 00:18:41,495 --> 00:18:44,623 - Percy. Hey, are you-- - No. 336 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:46,876 Ah, bro, what... what are you doing? 337 00:18:47,585 --> 00:18:49,377 Get it... Okay, man, let's... 338 00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:51,921 Wait, wait, wait, let's talk about this. Wait, wait. 339 00:18:51,922 --> 00:18:54,257 You want money or something? What do you want? 340 00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:55,884 Why? No, no. 341 00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:58,429 Please... No. 342 00:19:12,610 --> 00:19:14,903 All right. We're good then. Thanks, officer. 343 00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:16,196 You got it. 344 00:19:16,197 --> 00:19:17,323 Hey. 345 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:21,242 Seems our unsub's type has expanded. 346 00:19:21,243 --> 00:19:24,913 Not quite. Percy Stuben had an online persona called Trixie. 347 00:19:24,914 --> 00:19:27,248 Apparently he was catfishing men. 348 00:19:27,249 --> 00:19:30,585 According to the online pic, Trixie is very similar to Lexie and Regina. 349 00:19:30,586 --> 00:19:31,670 Similar how? 350 00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:34,589 Feathered hair, bell bottom jeans, the kind of wet t-shirt look 351 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:36,801 favored by Jacqueline Bisset in The Deep. 352 00:19:38,427 --> 00:19:40,095 That's a 70s movie? 353 00:19:40,096 --> 00:19:42,055 I will kill you, and no one will ever find your body. 354 00:19:42,056 --> 00:19:43,139 My point is, 355 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,975 - we know 1976 is important to this unsub. - Mm-hmm. 356 00:19:45,976 --> 00:19:50,397 Our two camgirls and our one catfisher all have this throwback 70s vibe. 357 00:19:50,398 --> 00:19:52,107 - But they're all millennials. - Mm-hmm. 358 00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:53,817 In Percy's case, a man. 359 00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:55,944 Yeah. Percy was very, very careful. 360 00:19:55,945 --> 00:19:58,405 He never cammed. He only did text exchanges. 361 00:19:58,406 --> 00:20:00,240 Ah. Makes sense. He didn't want them to see his face. 362 00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:03,493 Most catfishers do everything they can to stay in the shadows. 363 00:20:03,494 --> 00:20:04,703 Right. 364 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:09,708 So how did a dude posing as a throwback 70s chick get on this unsub's radar? 365 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,793 If I had to guess, 366 00:20:11,794 --> 00:20:14,254 the unsub found out he wasn't actually hot redhead Trixie 367 00:20:14,255 --> 00:20:15,338 and made him pay. 368 00:20:15,339 --> 00:20:18,383 That would mean he was as close to Trixie as the other two camgirls. 369 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:20,885 I mean, finding out he was being catfished would likely to have sent him 370 00:20:20,886 --> 00:20:22,387 into an even bigger rage. 371 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:25,766 I mean, ugh, Percy's blood is on this chair. 372 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:27,685 Check this out. 373 00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:31,104 The unsub left the belt behind on the body this time, 374 00:20:31,105 --> 00:20:34,734 and it's cowhide, which is pretty much the most common leather you can find. 375 00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:38,237 He might have been in a hurry. 376 00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:40,321 According to Garcia, 377 00:20:40,322 --> 00:20:43,825 Percy was in the middle of a live gaming chat when he was murdered. 378 00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:46,828 And he was also chatting to a "DOG DAD 47." 379 00:20:46,829 --> 00:20:49,914 You think either of the people he was talking to is our unsub? 380 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:51,792 It depends on who he was gaming with. 381 00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:57,255 Percy and I weren't on video at the time, 382 00:20:57,256 --> 00:21:00,676 so I didn't see anything, but it sounded rough. 383 00:21:01,427 --> 00:21:03,178 How much did you hear? 384 00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:04,305 All of it. 385 00:21:04,889 --> 00:21:08,642 Then Percy's camera turned on, and I saw... 386 00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:14,105 Kenny, I know this is tough, 387 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:17,025 but how much did you know about what Percy did for a living? 388 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,486 Too much. 389 00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,863 I mean, he was always bragging 390 00:21:21,864 --> 00:21:24,449 about how much he was scamming off these lonely guys. 391 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:27,661 Did Percy receive any threats from the men that he was catfishing? 392 00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:32,540 - Catfishing? - We went through Percy's logs. 393 00:21:32,541 --> 00:21:36,127 He was pretending to be a different hot woman in each one. 394 00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:37,962 Ah. Nah, you've got it wrong. 395 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:40,298 - Percy was a chatter. - What's a chatter? 396 00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:45,261 When these girls get too many followers wanting one-on-ones, it's overwhelming. 397 00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:47,931 So, they outsource the texts to people like Percy. 398 00:21:47,932 --> 00:21:49,766 He worked for a bunch of them. 399 00:21:49,767 --> 00:21:53,228 Okay. So, Percy was there to keep customers feeling special, 400 00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:54,854 connected to the camgirls? 401 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:55,939 Yeah. 402 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:58,733 They'd send more money to the girls, and Percy would get a cut. 403 00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:01,027 Did he work on a specific platform? 404 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:03,864 Yeah, there's a chatter app for all the platforms. 405 00:22:04,365 --> 00:22:08,035 He used to do freelance chatting here and there, but he got headhunted. 406 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:14,959 I can't believe someone murdered him for it. 407 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,962 Yo, bro, am I, like, free to go? 408 00:22:18,963 --> 00:22:21,965 I need to get, like, celestially high to stop thinking about this. 409 00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:24,759 Yeah. Yeah, thanks. 410 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:33,142 You want me to hack a chatter app? 411 00:22:33,143 --> 00:22:35,520 - Yeah, is that a problem? - Ew, ew. No. 412 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:37,272 Why would it be? 413 00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:40,483 Stop grilling me with your eyes. Okay, okay. 414 00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:43,278 I hit some speed bumps with the cam sites. 415 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,948 It turns out when your profit motive is linked to internet security, 416 00:22:46,949 --> 00:22:49,534 i-it can be tricky for a mermaid like me to trip you up. 417 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:52,495 But that is not an issue, that is an "iss-me." 418 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:57,041 And yes, of course, I-I will, I will... I will look into your chatter app. 419 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,586 Just give me just... ...a second. 420 00:22:59,587 --> 00:23:01,296 Is this coffee? 421 00:23:01,297 --> 00:23:03,631 Did you switch from tea to coffee? 422 00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:06,593 No, I switched from coffee to triple espresso. 423 00:23:06,594 --> 00:23:08,636 Penelope, when is the last time you slept? 424 00:23:08,637 --> 00:23:10,638 When was the last time you slept? 425 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:14,642 Don't answer that 'cause I know... clearly it was b-before I did, 426 00:23:14,643 --> 00:23:16,352 but you know what they say about sleep? 427 00:23:16,353 --> 00:23:17,770 - That it's, um... - Necessary? 428 00:23:17,771 --> 00:23:20,231 ...overrated, it is overrated for me right now. 429 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:22,233 And look, I mean this, it's going to sound mean, 430 00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:25,946 but with all love in my heart, get out of my face right now, please. 431 00:23:28,324 --> 00:23:32,035 Okay. Geez. 432 00:23:32,036 --> 00:23:33,912 Well, there... there it is again. 433 00:23:33,913 --> 00:23:35,038 Geography. 434 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,998 It's been bugging me since we got this case. 435 00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:41,337 So, you can be a camgirl, a chatter from anywhere in the US, the world even. 436 00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:44,589 So how has this unsub found three victims 437 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:47,051 all within a 150-mile radius of each other? 438 00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:49,011 It can't be an accident. 439 00:23:49,595 --> 00:23:51,512 Being local must be important to him. 440 00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:54,307 - Look! - What? You got something for us? 441 00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:57,393 Yes. I have got something, but not for you. 442 00:23:57,394 --> 00:23:58,478 Not for you. 443 00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:02,942 But I'm not gonna forget the cam sites and the chatter app, but, uh, but first... 444 00:24:04,193 --> 00:24:05,401 What was I saying? 445 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:08,863 - You got something, but not for us. - Yes, yes, and I gotta go. 446 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,491 I gotta go do that. Excuse me. Let's go. 447 00:24:11,492 --> 00:24:13,535 Thank you. 448 00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:16,204 Have I got an update for you. 449 00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:18,915 - Do you see that, that right there? - The exclamation point. 450 00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:24,003 That is not supposed to exist because typewriters made before 1960s 451 00:24:24,004 --> 00:24:25,673 didn't have a one key. 452 00:24:26,757 --> 00:24:28,758 - Wait. - No, she's right. 453 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:32,095 I remember you would use the lowercase L. 454 00:24:32,096 --> 00:24:36,766 So, if there's no one, there's no exclamation point either. 455 00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:41,229 Well, did the Fan get a special plate for just one punctuation mark? 456 00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:44,941 I don't think so. I think he used a period and an apostrophe 457 00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:48,069 and made his own exclamation plate. 458 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,530 Which means he didn't use any modern typewriter. 459 00:24:50,531 --> 00:24:53,992 And older typewriters have very limited, you know, variety of typefaces 460 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,744 which narrows down where he's getting his building materials from. 461 00:24:56,745 --> 00:25:00,081 Not to mention the larger font, that should make it easier to find as well. 462 00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:03,668 Mm-hmm. And even if he had a large font typewriter, 463 00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:07,380 he'd still need to get another striker because pathetic has two T's. 464 00:25:07,381 --> 00:25:09,674 What's the point of all that? 465 00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:11,343 Just to call us pathetic? 466 00:25:11,969 --> 00:25:13,554 Might not be for us. 467 00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:16,724 Right. 468 00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:21,103 Right. Let's go see him. 469 00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:26,274 - Is he... - Don't worry about him. 470 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:27,775 What about you... 471 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:30,403 Is that the same outfit you wore yesterday? 472 00:25:30,404 --> 00:25:32,280 Did you go to bed last night? 473 00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:33,990 Yeah, I som... 474 00:25:33,991 --> 00:25:37,244 I don't... I'm fine. Why do I have to change every day? 475 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:40,247 Inmates, clear the tier. 476 00:25:41,206 --> 00:25:43,082 Well, he's not Mark David Chapman. 477 00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:44,500 No, he's not. 478 00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:45,752 What is he then? 479 00:25:45,753 --> 00:25:47,421 A copycat of you. 480 00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:49,714 I never branded anyone. 481 00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:52,259 Ever restrained anyone with a leather belt? 482 00:25:54,762 --> 00:25:56,596 There are three kinds of copycats. 483 00:25:56,597 --> 00:26:01,184 One who wants to learn everything he can about the killer he's emulating. 484 00:26:01,185 --> 00:26:03,895 One who wants everyone to think that his crimes 485 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,647 are being committed by the killer he's emulating. 486 00:26:06,648 --> 00:26:07,857 And then there's the third, 487 00:26:07,858 --> 00:26:10,943 the one who wants to be better than his predecessor. 488 00:26:10,944 --> 00:26:12,446 Like Derek Brown. You remember him? 489 00:26:13,781 --> 00:26:15,823 Yeah. He copied Jack the Ripper, 490 00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:17,825 but they never found the bodies of his two victims, 491 00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:20,162 so he was almost better until they caught him. 492 00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,625 Studied that case after you wrote a book about it. 493 00:26:25,626 --> 00:26:26,710 Exactly. 494 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:31,631 Ah. I see what you're saying. 495 00:26:31,632 --> 00:26:34,384 It's almost like I'm a copycat of you, right, Dave? 496 00:26:38,472 --> 00:26:43,893 We think the Fan is like Brown, or the school shooter model 497 00:26:43,894 --> 00:26:47,897 inspired by the Columbine shooters, only he's trying to surpass you. 498 00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:50,274 So, he's doing everything I did before I started killing, 499 00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:54,404 but now he feels advanced enough to do his own thing, 500 00:26:55,572 --> 00:26:57,615 which means it's probably isn't his first. 501 00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:59,159 That's what we thought. 502 00:26:59,743 --> 00:27:00,953 Who do you think it is? 503 00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:05,207 I don't know. 504 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:08,544 You know. 505 00:27:10,963 --> 00:27:12,840 - No, I don't know-- - You know. 506 00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:18,011 And you've already done something, haven't you? 507 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:20,472 Dave, 508 00:27:21,723 --> 00:27:23,391 you said yourself, I've grown a conscience. 509 00:27:23,392 --> 00:27:25,561 I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize your trust. 510 00:27:28,689 --> 00:27:29,731 Yeah. 511 00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:33,986 You've studied me and I've studied you. 512 00:27:36,697 --> 00:27:41,618 So, whatever you did, I will figure it out. 513 00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:58,468 No. 514 00:27:59,177 --> 00:28:01,638 Yeah, all the information was in the ad. 515 00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:05,933 No, I'm not gonna drop the price on the podcast notes. 516 00:28:05,934 --> 00:28:08,686 Do you have any idea what's in there? Do you understand? 517 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,314 They should be in the Smithsonian. 518 00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:14,609 The price is non-negotiable. 519 00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:18,237 No, I'm not gonna throw in the podcast sign. 520 00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:20,741 Because someone's on the way right now to buy it. 521 00:28:21,742 --> 00:28:24,577 Okay, you listen to me, you little shit. 522 00:28:24,578 --> 00:28:27,247 Oh. All right, here's what I can do for you. 523 00:28:34,296 --> 00:28:35,547 Hey, Brian. 524 00:28:36,465 --> 00:28:37,548 Sheila. 525 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,050 Can I come in? 526 00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:42,011 Oh... ...yeah, sure. 527 00:28:42,012 --> 00:28:44,764 I wasn't expecting you. 528 00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:47,183 - You look fantastic. - Aw. 529 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:49,226 - I didn't mean... - No, no. It's okay. 530 00:28:49,227 --> 00:28:52,813 Listen, after the divorce, I could finally sleep more than four hours. 531 00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:56,610 I got a gym membership and a nutritionist. 532 00:28:57,444 --> 00:28:58,986 - What? - No, it's-- 533 00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:00,614 No, it's okay. You can say it. 534 00:29:02,157 --> 00:29:06,035 I guess I'm realizing that you taking care of me 535 00:29:06,036 --> 00:29:08,497 probably got in the way of you taking care of yourself. 536 00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:13,626 It's funny. Bob says the same thing. 537 00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:15,920 Bob from work? 538 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:18,756 You talking about me a lot with your IRS colleagues? 539 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:22,094 No, only the ones who make me breakfast. 540 00:29:23,595 --> 00:29:25,555 Ah. Right. 541 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:28,474 Can I, uh, can I see that? 542 00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:30,601 Oh, this is... ...nothing. I'm selling it. 543 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:32,229 I-I know, I'm the one who's buying it. 544 00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:35,898 You listen to The Sicarius Files? 545 00:29:35,899 --> 00:29:39,444 Just the last episode and you know, I was impressed. 546 00:29:41,363 --> 00:29:44,240 And then I realized that you met an actual serial killer 547 00:29:44,241 --> 00:29:46,325 and then I was kind of worried about you. 548 00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:49,997 So, I think I'm just trying to make sure you're okay. 549 00:29:53,083 --> 00:29:54,417 Well, I don't know what to say. 550 00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:56,127 Say you'll give me a discount. 551 00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:58,170 Turns out my niece is a huge fan, 552 00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:01,216 so I'm trying to get some... some cool auntie points. 553 00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:03,300 Come on. 554 00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:05,136 Look. Merino wool. 555 00:30:05,137 --> 00:30:07,097 Oh, thanks. 556 00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:10,809 Thank you. 557 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:13,437 Wait, wait, wait, wait. 558 00:30:15,439 --> 00:30:20,359 Okay, so after the divorce, you wanted nothing more to do with me. 559 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,487 You went no contact. 560 00:30:23,697 --> 00:30:25,907 How did you even find out about the podcast? 561 00:30:26,491 --> 00:30:29,077 There was someone who called me and said that I should listen. 562 00:30:29,661 --> 00:30:31,537 Who called you? 563 00:30:31,538 --> 00:30:33,874 I don't know, it was Lee something. 564 00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:37,502 - Lee Duval? - Yeah, that's it. Do you know him? 565 00:30:38,587 --> 00:30:41,005 Yes, I do. 566 00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:43,300 Okay. Well, thanks. 567 00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:53,310 Open up. 568 00:30:57,355 --> 00:30:59,774 Brian, thank you for coming to see me. 569 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:01,234 Where did you get the phone? 570 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,361 What? 571 00:31:03,904 --> 00:31:06,197 Where did you get the phone you used to call my wife? 572 00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:07,407 Oh. Ex-wife. 573 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:11,243 Seriously, you're gonna narc on me? 574 00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:13,829 - Excuse me, I need to tell you something. - Jesus Christ. Okay. 575 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:16,708 Okay, look, I had to get you a message so that you would come and see me. 576 00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:23,840 I just wanted to say thank you for your service. 577 00:31:28,845 --> 00:31:31,013 Well, wives are off-limits. 578 00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:34,475 Wives, children, exes, estranged or otherwise, 579 00:31:34,476 --> 00:31:36,727 don't act like you don't know how this works all of a sudden. 580 00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:38,438 Do you wanna hear my message? 581 00:31:40,107 --> 00:31:41,357 Okay. 582 00:31:41,358 --> 00:31:44,610 I too know what it's like to lose the person whose respect 583 00:31:44,611 --> 00:31:46,529 you want more than anything in the world. 584 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:50,659 I too know what it's like to want to do anything to look better in their eyes. 585 00:31:51,201 --> 00:31:53,161 And I know how you can do that. 586 00:31:54,412 --> 00:31:55,704 What are you talking about? 587 00:31:55,705 --> 00:31:57,707 She got hooked on the podcast, didn't she? 588 00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:01,627 I wouldn't say hooked. She was impressed, but anyway, 589 00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:03,838 it doesn't matter because the podcast is over. 590 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:05,089 Well, what if it's not? 591 00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:07,175 I have another message for the Fan. 592 00:32:07,843 --> 00:32:11,346 On an SD card recorded on the same phone I used to call your ex-wife. 593 00:32:12,514 --> 00:32:14,056 Give it to the BAU. 594 00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:16,016 Yeah, they have a tendency to screw shit up. 595 00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:19,478 You screwed shit up when you insulted the Fan. 596 00:32:19,479 --> 00:32:21,397 You're right, I did. 597 00:32:21,398 --> 00:32:23,023 I tried to control the story. 598 00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:24,775 I tried to control what people thought of me, 599 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,821 but I only made things worse because it's not my story anymore. 600 00:32:28,864 --> 00:32:29,865 It's yours. 601 00:32:32,993 --> 00:32:34,161 Can I tell you what I think? 602 00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:36,329 Please. 603 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:42,668 I think you see me as an easily manipulatable patsy, 604 00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:46,922 someone you can get to do your bidding with a little ego boost 605 00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:48,841 or if that doesn't work, you throw in a little, 606 00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:52,846 "Oh, Brian, we're not so different, you and I." Am I close? 607 00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,102 Well, let me tell you something. 608 00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:02,689 And this is coming from a very real place. 609 00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:10,363 You and I are very different. 610 00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:13,283 Mmm. 611 00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,787 Well, do you even know what that difference is? 612 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,751 There is a burgeoning serial killer out there 613 00:33:23,752 --> 00:33:25,753 who I'm pretty sure has already killed once 614 00:33:25,754 --> 00:33:27,922 but is in a bit of a cooling off period. 615 00:33:27,923 --> 00:33:29,299 And why do you think that is? 616 00:33:30,592 --> 00:33:33,929 What has happened to distract him to stop him from escalating? 617 00:33:35,388 --> 00:33:36,639 My show. 618 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,351 And that is the difference between you and me. 619 00:33:40,602 --> 00:33:42,394 I can't stop him from in here. 620 00:33:42,395 --> 00:33:45,106 The BAU can't stop him from anywhere but... 621 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,944 you can. 622 00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:57,327 Thank you for coming to see me. 623 00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:26,605 Wow. What's all this? 624 00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:30,026 Uh, Garcia got all the online chats Percy had with paying customers. 625 00:34:32,362 --> 00:34:34,781 "Until the room stinks." 626 00:34:37,325 --> 00:34:40,077 I don't know why I'm reading it out loud. I'm sorry. 627 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:45,124 Yes, uh... ...so way more than half of these are much older gentlemen. 628 00:34:45,125 --> 00:34:48,627 Yeah, it looks like Percy was real popular with the AARP army. 629 00:34:48,628 --> 00:34:50,963 Okay, so could our unsub be an older man? 630 00:34:50,964 --> 00:34:54,133 That would explain why 1976 means so much to him. 631 00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:56,218 That could be when his lovemap was formed. 632 00:34:56,219 --> 00:34:57,386 Well, that tracks. 633 00:34:57,387 --> 00:34:59,806 All of our victims made videos in a '70s persona. 634 00:35:00,432 --> 00:35:02,725 These chats all mentioned food. 635 00:35:02,726 --> 00:35:06,145 So, I looked through some of Regina's older videos from the time of the chats. 636 00:35:06,146 --> 00:35:09,815 She did a series of mukbangs with some very regional foods. 637 00:35:09,816 --> 00:35:11,400 What's a mukbang? 638 00:35:11,401 --> 00:35:15,821 Oh. It is when someone eats an insane amount of food on camera. 639 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:17,906 I cannot tell you why, but they are incredibly popular. 640 00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:20,659 So popular that Lexie did one as well. 641 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:22,328 Regina had a ton of blue crabs. 642 00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:25,664 Lexie finished hers with a big box of Berger cookies. 643 00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:27,834 Yeah, we're talking incredibly regional. 644 00:35:28,585 --> 00:35:31,920 Without saying where they lived, these women still ended up exposing themselves. 645 00:35:31,921 --> 00:35:33,464 - Yeah. - Mmm. 646 00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:35,424 Solves your geo-profile problem. 647 00:35:35,425 --> 00:35:38,427 Yeah, it's part of his parasocial delusion. 648 00:35:38,428 --> 00:35:40,971 He wants to believe these women were his peers. 649 00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:43,849 They grew up in the old neighborhood. Remember how good it was. 650 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:46,353 And then when the relationship soured, he killed them. 651 00:35:47,771 --> 00:35:50,648 We need to comb all of our victims' communications. 652 00:35:50,649 --> 00:35:53,275 I mean, any mention of regional food could be our unsub. 653 00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:56,528 Okay, we are gonna have to come back and help you read through these. 654 00:35:56,529 --> 00:35:59,324 We gotta get to the ME. They finished Percy's autopsy. 655 00:36:00,075 --> 00:36:01,660 - Sorry. - Mmm. 656 00:36:02,702 --> 00:36:04,037 Oh, come on. 657 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,707 He put coins inside Percy? 658 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:12,419 Not only did he use coins this time, his total was changed. 659 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:14,672 I took all the cash from Percy's mouth and stomach, 660 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,299 and then I found two dimes deep in his bowels, 661 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,637 bringing the grand total to $395.20. 662 00:36:21,471 --> 00:36:27,768 Wait, that's... that's exactly 20% of Lexie and Regina's amounts. 663 00:36:27,769 --> 00:36:29,895 What? 664 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:33,315 I got good at mental math from playing darts. 665 00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:36,026 I needed a calculator... ...but you're right. 666 00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:38,904 I looked for more coins and bills in case I was missing something, 667 00:36:38,905 --> 00:36:40,365 but that's all I found. 668 00:36:40,949 --> 00:36:43,283 I called you in so fast because I was worried there might be 669 00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,911 four other victims making up the rest of the money somewhere. 670 00:36:45,912 --> 00:36:47,831 I-I don't think it's that. 671 00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:51,750 We thought 1976 was about a date, 672 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:54,628 but if he's willing to make a 20% cut 673 00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:57,631 for the guy who took 20% of the camgirls' earnings, 674 00:36:57,632 --> 00:36:59,591 he's saying something else. 675 00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:00,718 Like what? 676 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,010 Not sure. 677 00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:06,349 Sometimes a cigar is a cigar, maybe the money is just about the money. 678 00:37:11,813 --> 00:37:13,313 I spoke with forensics. 679 00:37:13,314 --> 00:37:17,025 The brands on Lance Kingston's body are all the same depth, 680 00:37:17,026 --> 00:37:20,487 meaning all the letters are the same brand of typewriter. 681 00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:22,615 Penelope, you said you had something on that. 682 00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:28,705 Penelope, hey. 683 00:37:29,748 --> 00:37:31,915 - Hey. - Huh? Huh? 684 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:35,252 Hey. You called typewriter shops about letter strikers? 685 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,255 Yeah, I sure did. I-I called... 686 00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:41,800 I called, uh, almost every typewriter, collector, 687 00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:44,928 supplier, and repair shop in the eastern seaboard 688 00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:50,392 looking for the rare six CPI set of strikers, and I found two. 689 00:37:50,393 --> 00:37:51,852 Great. Where are they? 690 00:37:51,853 --> 00:37:54,062 Oh, one was at a vintage warehouse in New York. 691 00:37:54,063 --> 00:37:55,773 Uh. That one was stolen a few months ago. 692 00:37:55,774 --> 00:38:00,611 And the other one was a gift to a Philadelphia university 693 00:38:00,612 --> 00:38:01,779 and that one was also stolen. 694 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:03,739 That's where the Fan's letters were postmarked from. 695 00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:05,449 There was something else I wondered... 696 00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:07,201 Oh, I-I... Okay. 697 00:38:07,202 --> 00:38:10,329 So, the lab hit a dead end when it came to the restraints 698 00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:12,664 that the Fan was using on Lance, so I went a different route. 699 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:14,458 "Root?" I went a different direction, 700 00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:18,171 and the indentations on Lance's wrist matches stingray skin. 701 00:38:19,172 --> 00:38:20,631 Stingray skin? 702 00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:23,634 Yeah, that's what those weird bumps on Lance's arms were. 703 00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:26,512 Stingray leather retains the same bumps as Stingray's skin. 704 00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:28,764 Well, stingray leather should be easier to track. 705 00:38:28,765 --> 00:38:30,599 Oh, yeah, which is why I'm one step ahead of you. 706 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,683 There's this. 707 00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:36,313 Um, so, a few months ago, a-a Pennsylvania college student, 708 00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:38,942 female, she was strangled with a belt. 709 00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:41,528 Her name was Victoria Everman. 710 00:38:50,912 --> 00:38:52,746 And based on the patterns on her neck, 711 00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:55,499 they were able to determine that it was stingray leather. 712 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,126 Cameras on campus weren't able to track the assailant. 713 00:38:58,127 --> 00:38:59,211 Of course not. 714 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:03,966 His OCD forces him to make sure he knew when he was being watched. 715 00:39:03,967 --> 00:39:05,592 There is one silver lining, though. 716 00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:07,553 For all the Fan's attempts to throw us off, 717 00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:10,431 he has inadvertently revealed something about himself. 718 00:39:10,932 --> 00:39:14,018 Stingray leather, that's his signature. 719 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:25,070 Russell. Russell. 720 00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:29,284 Favorite movie, any western, probably from the '70s. 721 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:34,454 Ah, right. Ah... 722 00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:39,711 Misses the old menu at Bronze Pint Tavern in downtown Baltimore. 723 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,213 Obsessed with Charlie's Angels. 724 00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:46,008 Used to play pinball with his son. 725 00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:48,595 Misses when his wife would laugh at his jokes. 726 00:39:52,682 --> 00:39:57,603 So, what does 1976 mean in terms of how these victims are charging their clients? 727 00:39:57,604 --> 00:39:59,396 I don't think it's about money. 728 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:02,482 Lexie's boyfriend said they were charging $30 an hour. 729 00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:05,277 For this guy to have blown upwards of 1,900 bucks, 730 00:40:05,278 --> 00:40:08,614 she'd have had to have been on with him for over 60 hours. 731 00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:15,037 Okay, so maybe 1976 is a symbolic amount of money, not just the total spent, 732 00:40:15,038 --> 00:40:19,834 but that number is part of the message he's sending out. 733 00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:21,669 Like Social Security. 734 00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:23,754 Wow, how did you get there? 735 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:26,716 My grandma gets one of those checks every month. 736 00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:28,467 Here it is. 737 00:40:28,468 --> 00:40:32,763 The average Social Security benefit is just under $2000. 738 00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:34,306 That would tie it all together. 739 00:40:34,307 --> 00:40:37,601 It would say something not just about his preferences with these camgirls, 740 00:40:37,602 --> 00:40:41,063 but he would have been spending his entire monthly income on them. 741 00:40:41,064 --> 00:40:44,441 I just searched Percy's logs for any mention of a Social Security check, 742 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:48,070 and I found one series of chats with a Russell Kirkland. 743 00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:49,237 Could it be our unsub? 744 00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:51,823 Well, according to his profile, he's in his 70s, 745 00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:53,158 born and raised in Maryland. 746 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,534 He checks all the boxes. 747 00:40:54,535 --> 00:40:58,205 {\an8}Uncheck those boxes because Russell Kirkland is dead, 748 00:40:58,206 --> 00:40:59,707 {\an8}committed suicide about a month ago. 749 00:41:00,208 --> 00:41:02,251 If this guy isn't our unsub, who is? 750 00:41:05,171 --> 00:41:06,839 Okay. 751 00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:13,972 Okay. Pinball, laugh, westerns. 752 00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:16,224 Okay. 753 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:19,602 Right. 754 00:41:24,399 --> 00:41:27,860 Well, hello there, Russell. It's been a long time. 755 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:31,947 {\an8}Oh. That's a bummer. 756 00:41:31,948 --> 00:41:33,699 I'm glad you're back. 757 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:34,784 {\an8}How are you today? 758 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,622 {\an8}Russell. 759 00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:42,332 {\an8}You did say I was your favorite, 760 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,252 {\an8}ruined you for all the other ladies, is it? 761 00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,882 {\an8}Okay, chill, man, or I'm gonna turn off the stream. 762 00:41:50,466 --> 00:41:56,763 {\an8}Man, I got a sweet power nap in, and Tyler and I are here to crush this. 763 00:41:56,764 --> 00:41:58,557 After finding Russell's death certificate, 764 00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:01,184 I thought maybe the real unsub could be killing camgirls 765 00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:02,978 as revenge for Russell's suicide. 766 00:42:02,979 --> 00:42:05,063 Enter Russell's son Jace. 767 00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:09,192 Now, based on bank records, Jace's had to send his father money for the last year. 768 00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:11,778 Allons-y with alacrity for the 411 on Jace. 769 00:42:11,779 --> 00:42:13,864 Okay, so what are these documents? 770 00:42:13,865 --> 00:42:16,825 Those are emails from Russell to his lawyer, trying to get 771 00:42:16,826 --> 00:42:18,910 his money back from the women who worked as camgirls. 772 00:42:18,911 --> 00:42:21,079 He tried every angle, financial abuse, elder abuse, 773 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,331 scams, fraud, you name it, to no avail. 774 00:42:23,332 --> 00:42:26,293 Regina, Trixie, and Lexie are all mentioned in those emails. 775 00:42:26,294 --> 00:42:29,171 Okay, but looks like his lawyer dismissed all the claims 776 00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:31,298 because the transactions were all above board. 777 00:42:31,299 --> 00:42:34,009 Yeah, that's what happens when you hit "agree to the terms and conditions" 778 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:35,802 without reading the terms and conditions, people. 779 00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:38,513 So, his son took the law into his own hands 780 00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:41,058 where he feels the system failed him? Where is Jace now? 781 00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:43,478 I sent you his work and home address. 782 00:42:44,062 --> 00:42:46,730 Did Kirkland mention any of the other women in his emails? 783 00:42:46,731 --> 00:42:49,107 No, unfortunately, Jace got to them all. 784 00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:51,777 Except for one, Cora Sault. 785 00:42:51,778 --> 00:42:53,613 All right, we need to divide and conquer. 786 00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:57,115 All right, uh, you take Jace's work. I'll take his home. 787 00:42:57,116 --> 00:42:59,118 - Yeah. - We'll take Cora. Let's hit it. 788 00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:21,557 Okay, what the fuck are you talking about? 789 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:27,313 Okay. 790 00:43:27,897 --> 00:43:29,148 Jesus. 791 00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:34,112 Whoa! Whoa! Hey! 792 00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:42,245 It's time to put on a show. 793 00:43:56,759 --> 00:43:58,928 What... what the fuck? 794 00:43:59,929 --> 00:44:01,388 What the fuck? 795 00:44:01,389 --> 00:44:02,973 What's going on? 796 00:44:02,974 --> 00:44:04,267 What is going on? 797 00:44:04,976 --> 00:44:06,310 You know who I am? 798 00:44:08,938 --> 00:44:10,815 You're Russell's son, aren't you? 799 00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:14,569 My dad told you about me? 800 00:44:15,153 --> 00:44:16,195 Yeah. 801 00:44:17,196 --> 00:44:19,573 Yeah, he was very proud of you. 802 00:44:19,574 --> 00:44:23,660 You charged him $70 an hour so he could tell you how proud he was of me? 803 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,704 - Bullshit! - No, it's not. It's not. 804 00:44:25,705 --> 00:44:27,789 Do you wanna know why I talked to your father? 805 00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:29,499 I know why! 806 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,627 Mom died, so you pretended to like a grieving man. 807 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:38,216 No, that's not true. 808 00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:40,385 I-I talked to him because you didn't. 809 00:44:40,386 --> 00:44:42,095 He just wanted company. 810 00:44:42,096 --> 00:44:44,307 I-I talked to him because you were too busy. 811 00:44:51,647 --> 00:44:54,442 Oh, my God. Please, no, no, no, no. 812 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:57,611 FBI! No. Drop the knife, Jace. 813 00:44:57,612 --> 00:44:59,988 No, no, they all need to pay for what they did to my father. 814 00:44:59,989 --> 00:45:01,198 - Jace! - Stay back! 815 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:02,450 Don't do this, Jace. 816 00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:07,204 I know you think something precious was taken from you, and you blame these women, 817 00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:09,956 but it was your father who chose to give them all his money. 818 00:45:09,957 --> 00:45:14,252 No, no. He needed that money and these whores manipulated him. 819 00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:16,797 - They... they made him... - Pathetic? 820 00:45:19,258 --> 00:45:23,679 Your father wasn't pathetic, Jace, and neither are you. 821 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,601 Listen to me, Jace. 822 00:45:29,518 --> 00:45:33,314 If you don't drop that knife, my partner's gonna have to shoot you. 823 00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:36,149 And you know what they're gonna say about you 824 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:37,777 when they wheel you out of here in a body bag? 825 00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:40,363 That you were pathetic. 826 00:45:42,156 --> 00:45:44,032 No, they won't. 827 00:45:44,033 --> 00:45:46,326 Yes, they will. 828 00:45:46,327 --> 00:45:48,079 Isn't that what you thought about your father 829 00:45:48,746 --> 00:45:50,873 when you found out how much he spent on camgirls? 830 00:45:52,291 --> 00:45:56,295 You have one chance to change how your story is told, Jace. 831 00:45:57,672 --> 00:45:59,507 And it starts with dropping that knife. 832 00:46:12,728 --> 00:46:13,729 Hands behind your back. 833 00:46:16,691 --> 00:46:18,609 - Okay. - All right, you're all right? 834 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:21,320 - Yeah. Okay. - Okay. 835 00:46:23,197 --> 00:46:24,657 - I got you. - Thank you. 836 00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:29,286 Jace Russell, you have the right to remain silent. 837 00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:32,707 Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. 838 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,168 That was a risky move. 839 00:46:37,169 --> 00:46:38,753 How'd you know it would work? 840 00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:40,881 I didn't, honestly. 841 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,134 I just had a feeling. 842 00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:45,593 I mean, the Fan is not Jace, 843 00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:47,305 and Jace is not the Fan, but... 844 00:46:48,723 --> 00:46:50,391 they fit the same profile. 845 00:46:57,565 --> 00:47:00,275 - Emily. - Brian, what are you doing back here? 846 00:47:00,276 --> 00:47:01,484 Gather the team. 847 00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:03,153 There's something you're gonna wanna see. 848 00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:06,448 You don't get to... Ugh. 849 00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:08,950 We really should be doing this in the roundtable room. 850 00:47:08,951 --> 00:47:12,704 That is for this team, not your random visits to Quantico. 851 00:47:12,705 --> 00:47:16,374 - What's going on? - I went to see Voit today. 852 00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:19,502 You did what? What happened to swearing off Sicarius? 853 00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:22,380 I did, but then he got my ex-wife involved. 854 00:47:22,381 --> 00:47:24,133 So, I went down there to... 855 00:47:24,967 --> 00:47:29,597 I don't know what I was gonna do. But while I was there, he gave me this. 856 00:47:30,348 --> 00:47:32,599 It's a recording of himself for the Fan. 857 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,768 He wants me to play it on my next podcast. 858 00:47:34,769 --> 00:47:35,895 But you quit the podcast. 859 00:47:38,105 --> 00:47:40,982 - Brian, you quit the podcast, right? - Yeah. 860 00:47:40,983 --> 00:47:45,862 Yes, yes. But I realized I could manipulate Voit 861 00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:50,575 if he thinks I'm manipulatable, which would give this team an advantage. 862 00:47:50,576 --> 00:47:52,119 Let me get this straight. 863 00:47:52,745 --> 00:47:54,830 You played Voit? 864 00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:56,749 I did. 865 00:48:00,211 --> 00:48:01,379 This is Elias Voit. 866 00:48:02,171 --> 00:48:03,923 And I have a message for my Fan. 867 00:48:05,758 --> 00:48:07,009 You're changing. 868 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,302 You're evolving. 869 00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:12,263 You wanna know more about yourself, and that's why you're reaching out to me. 870 00:48:12,264 --> 00:48:13,808 Well, I'm evolving too. 871 00:48:14,433 --> 00:48:19,230 And I've learned that you don't have to give in to your urges. 872 00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:21,273 I've been where you are. 873 00:48:22,274 --> 00:48:24,818 Talk to me. I can help you keep the monsters at bay. 874 00:48:24,819 --> 00:48:27,112 I'm... 875 00:48:27,113 --> 00:48:31,533 I'm trying... ...to make right with some of the people I've hurt. 876 00:48:31,534 --> 00:48:37,248 And I think by stopping you from becoming me, is how I can do that. 877 00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:44,546 Here is the Voit that we know and love. 878 00:48:44,547 --> 00:48:47,507 This asshole thinks he can do our jobs better than we can. 879 00:48:47,508 --> 00:48:49,217 He's trying to get the Fan to come to him. 880 00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:51,678 Well, yes, but that raises the larger question. 881 00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:53,680 I mean, it was the whole basis of my show. 882 00:48:53,681 --> 00:48:56,391 Did Elias Voit actually develop empathy? 883 00:48:56,392 --> 00:48:58,268 - Or was it all a sham? - Exactly. 884 00:48:58,269 --> 00:49:01,939 And if it is a sham, how does it affect the team member who helped him? 885 00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:07,944 The character testimony at Voit's sentencing was an FBI agent. 886 00:49:07,945 --> 00:49:09,404 What are you talking about? 887 00:49:09,405 --> 00:49:13,032 There was a closed-door testimony from an FBI agent supporting 888 00:49:13,033 --> 00:49:17,245 the theory that Voit had reformed because of his brain trauma. 889 00:49:17,246 --> 00:49:18,329 Who was it? 890 00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:20,999 Well, the ID was blacked out, but it led to Voit getting 891 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,377 life in prison instead of a needle in his arm. 892 00:49:25,129 --> 00:49:27,672 Is this news to you all? 893 00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:30,049 Brian, give us a moment. 894 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:32,178 We need to discuss this privately. 895 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,221 My office, please. 896 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:40,895 Okay. 897 00:49:42,271 --> 00:49:43,481 Who was it? 898 00:49:45,107 --> 00:49:46,316 Brain trauma? 899 00:49:46,317 --> 00:49:48,486 No, no. Absolutely not. 900 00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:53,656 Yes, I am a forensic psychologist, but I would never testify to that. 901 00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:56,534 Someone not on the team, maybe someone who-- 902 00:49:56,535 --> 00:49:57,745 It was me. 903 00:50:08,672 --> 00:50:09,924 I'm sorry. 904 00:50:10,925 --> 00:50:12,968 I was terrified to say anything. 905 00:50:14,136 --> 00:50:15,678 That's why it was closed-door. 906 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,014 That's why I've been so restless. 907 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:19,432 I knew it was gonna come out. 908 00:50:19,433 --> 00:50:22,520 And... ...I-I knew how you'd feel about it. 909 00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:27,191 I wanted to tell you at the right... 910 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:31,153 But I'm too tired to keep it a secret anymore. 911 00:50:35,449 --> 00:50:36,991 It was me.