OK, we have one minute until close.
Reunion day.
Oh, this is so cool!
Is your dress, Gina, short or long?
- Full hoo-ha. - Full hoo-ha!
Here we go.
30 seconds.
Shannon, what exactly is a bony vagina?
I want to feel the bone.
Are you ready?
- I go with peace and love. - Yeah, I like that.
You said she was an asshole.
She is an asshole!
I'm Jason.
- I'm scared of you. - You should be scared of me.
I have to have my new look to go with my new attitude.
You told me, you.
That is bullsh--.
Don't mess with Shannon Beador.
I don't like you.
I will be----ing boring and appropriate
from now on, at all HG events.
I know.
You're a piece of sh-- of a friend.
off!
We're getting ready to bring in our cast.
You're going to drop a bomb about CPS?
You don't even know my kids' names.
Well, I--and now I'm, like, blanking.
Walking in now.
Poor Heather, poor Heather, poor Heather.
That's just----ing rude.
Stop protecting this piece of sh--.
That's----ed up!
Positions, everyone.
Never talk about my children again.
My children! - Keep screaming, Gina.
My children!
I want to take you guys somewhere, OK?
OK.
What do you say we hit the beach?
- Yeah. - OK.
- Oh, wow. - Oh, my God.
That is cool!
- That is really cool. - Wow.
That's pretty amazing.
Oh, this is really-- this is where we live!
Oh, my gosh!
Welcome to "The Real Housewives
of Orange County" season 17 reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen, and this is a first.
For tonight's reunion, we're basking in the serene glow
of a virtual beach.
I've always wanted to host a reunion from the beach.
And here we are.
I feel very immersed in Orange County right now.
It's amazing. I'm a little distracted.
There's so much to look at.
There's birds that are flying by.
Yeah, there's birds flying by.
Tamra, welcome back to your first reunion in three years.
Thank you, three years.
How did it feel being un-paused?
It felt great.
I was a little bit nervous coming back.
That's why I drank so much.
OK. Hey, Emily.
Hi.
- Great to see you. - You, too.
- You look beautiful. - Thank you.
- You looked beautiful before. - I know.
You always add that in. You're like Shane.
And you look beautiful now. How much weight did you lose?
It's 40 pounds.
- Wow. - Wow.
Hey, Heather! - Hi.
Wearing black tonight, I see.
Is it apropos?
At the beach, possibly.
Hello, Gina.
You are officially a real estate agent.
- I am. - Congratulations.
Thank you.
Have you sold your first house yet?
Well, actually, I have two homes in escrow right now.
That's great!
Jenn, welcome to your first reunion.
Thank you, Andy.
How many hours of meditation did
you do to get ready for today?
Not enough, probably not enough.
Very good.
Last but certainly not least, Shannon Storms Beador.
Shannon, how many pounds of hair
would you say are on top of your head?
Not as much as Teresa's hair for her wedding.
But it's quite a bit. - OK, well, that's--
- They're pretty close. - Pretty close.
Well, this season we saw the iconic return of one
of the great Housewives, Tamra Judge,
who came in hot, literally burning rubber
on a motorcycle.
But when it came to her friendships,
she wasn't afraid to burn a few bridges, too.
Let's watch.
Tamra talks a lot of sh-- about her friends.
And that makes her a little dangerous.
you! I need a Xanax.
Goodbye, bitch!
I'm back with a different perspective.
Oh, great.
I don't have to call everybody out.
She can a duck.
Because of the economy, I just decided
to close my doors.
Cut Fitness was Eddie's baby.
- This is sad, babe. - I know.
I don't know what's going to fill that void.
The last time I was around Tamra, the two of you
were super, super close.
She was my best friend for six years.
Right, so then what happened?
She got fired.
Simon got cancer.
I was literally crying.
And she would not respond to my texts.
She's a self-centered person that only
gives a about herself.
You're a liar!
You're a liar, you're a liar, you're a liar, you're a liar!
I want to----ing throw my wine at you!
You're becoming unhinged.
So I made things worse.
Just extend an olive branch.
I just don't want to go backwards.
I know. I don't either.
And I apologize for saying anything.
And I'm sorry for my part.
I never thought this day would be here.
I really didn't.
Your friendship with Shannon came very far this season.
Where are you two now?
Great.
I mean, it's-- kind of feel like we're back.
We have our ups and downs.
We're definitely like sisters.
And we speak our mind to each other.
But--
Is she still as self-centered as you thought she was before?
No, she actually will text me now and say,
can you call me, please?
And can you talk right now?
And she's been very kind to me.
Boy, it must have been really hard closing
the gym after ten years.
- Yeah. - How's Eddie doing?
He's doing good, you know? It took him a while.
But he's moved on.
He has started a new supplement company
that's going to launch pretty soon.
Good.
Hannah from Lafayette, Louisiana, said, Emily,
why would you want to have a relationship with Tamra?
She was so nasty to you in the press,
calling you a very angry girl.
I mean, my main goal is that we're friends.
And she never really knew who I was.
So I thought it was important that we really
just have a clean slate.
In my defense, it was very difficult to watch
the show, not being on it anymore,
and hear all the talk about me.
It was a huge transition.
I understood it.
That was a big thing, for the rug to be
pulled out from under you.
Yeah, it's hard.
Jarris in California said, Heather,
how does it feel knowing you fell right
back into a friendship with Tamra,
and then she purposefully tried to turn the girls against you?
Coming into today, I think there
would be a case to walk in feeling a little
vindicated, right?
I don't feel that way at all.
I feel incredibly sad.
Well, I feel sad as well.
And I never came into this group
to turn everybody against you.
But literally, there wasn't one
episode where you didn't say something
unkind about me, not one.
I felt like--
Well, I did come into this season
not knowing where I stood with you.
Because on your podcast, it was either you
or your co-host said, there's no place for Tamra
on the show anymore.
It was not me that said that.
And then you made a comment somewhere, saying that I had
called Andy to tell him this.
But I just want to assure you, like, I am such a tiny cog
in the Andy Cohen machine.
If I have five minutes on the phone with him--
I love you.
I'm not talking about you.
I got my own sh-- to talk about.
I will say, she never brought that up to me.
OK, it just hurt my feelings.
I understand. I'm sorry about that.
New housewife Jenn came to us with five kids,
a successful yoga studio, an ex-husband,
a controversial boyfriend, and a good friend named Tamra.
But that friendship got so messy,
even a flying napkin couldn't clean it up.
Watch.
Evie!
I have five kids with Will, my ex-husband.
Dominic, we adopted him three years ago.
And I'm never going to stop loving you.
- Ryan has quite a reputation. - A past.
- Is he a cheater? - Yes.
Heather Amin said that he sent her a dick pic.
You play this dumb role.
But I'm in-- I'm not playing a dumb role!
When Ryan walked into my gym, he looked at me and said,
I'm going to her.
What?
I'd watch it, Tamra.
What, you want to----ing tell me to watch it?
There was a spot that we had kind of said,
you need to take some time.
So while you were on the break,
he may have had a little dalliance.
- Yes. - With someone I know.
He was sleeping with her while you guys were dating.
Babe, if there's anything I----ing need to know,
it better come from your mouth.
It doesn't feel like friendship to me.
You've ruined your whole family.
I didn't ruin my family.
How----ing dare you!
Be----ing smart!
All right, a lot to unpack there.
Yes.
I just want to say, I think it's so admirable
that you fostered kids.
- Oh, thank you. - What does that give to you?
It was just something that fulfilled me.
Will was very busy. He worked nonstop.
And so I felt very alone in my marriage.
Do you feel like you did it because you were lacking
the love in your relationship?
100%. And I just loved the love.
I just want to say one thing.
Jenn did not destroy her family.
No, and I should have never said that.
And I'm saying that because I had
the same situation in my life.
And it is OK to shift the family dynamic.
Thank you for saying that.
We invited Ryan to tell his side of the story.
He declined. - He did.
Why didn't he want to be here?
He has history with Tamra and Eddie.
And he said, if I sit here with Tamra and if she goes at him
and he goes back, he just looks like an asshole
for talking to a woman that way.
So he just said, it's a no win for me.
Do you think a proposal from him is in the near future?
Were you shocked when you saw him ring shopping?
You know what, it's funny.
I feel like he proposed already.
We talk about it all the time.
- Did he buy her it? - He bought a ring.
Do you feel like he was ring shopping though for the show?
No way.
Did you think I would settle down?
I never thought it.
I was kind of surprised.
Being an Armenian gigolo.
You know, we've talked about marriage a lot.
And he's ready. He's just waiting on me.
Well, the good news is, he loves married women.
- Yeah, I heard that. - I'm just kidding.
- Yes, supposedly. - That's terrible.
I know my timeline doesn't make sense.
And I know you guys all think I was having sex in cars
and doing all kinds of things.
I wasn't.
I never said anything about sex in a car.
Who here thinks it was a physical affair
and not an emotional affair?
Why do you think she was having a physical affair?
Well, we went to Cabo with Ryan.
And he sat us down and told me Jenn was not there,
told me that he was having an affair with Jenn.
And me and Eddie both were-- because we know Will.
So we felt dirty.
But are you Will's friend or were you Jenn's friend?
Jenn's friend, and when did the takedown--like,
when did it shift for you?
When I found out he cheated on you.
That Ryan had cheated on Jenn.
- Yes, yes. - Did Ryan cheat on you?
- You know what? - Or was he on a break?
- We were literally on a break. - When?
He said it was, like, a two-week break
break when we had dinner.
Yeah, it was.
Doesn't it worry you that he slept
with someone else, like, that quickly?
It was a year into your relationship.
Well, I didn't love it. Who would?
But I mean, that, to me, that would--
But why is she being attacked for all of this?
That's what I've not understood.
That's a good question.
Because I feel like she's defending him.
And that's what's frustrating.
And I just want better for you.
- It is none of your business. - You're correct.
And it is none of your business to bring me
on as your friend--
I did not bring you on!
We were barely speaking when you got cast.
So what is it?
We were close, we weren't close?
We were close!
We were friends, we weren't friends.
Yeah.
Just tell me what it was for you.
Well, why don't you just tell me because you know!
I was your----ing friend!
I was your friend. - Until the affair.
You're a piece of sh-- of a friend.
Until the affair. off!
You're the piece of sh--, you cheater.
Coming up...
You crossed a line, to the point
where I don't even know if I can honestly
even continue to do this.
It was none of your business
to bring me on as your friend.
I did not bring you on!
I was your----ing friend.
- Yes! - I was your friend.
Until the affair.
You're a piece of sh-- of a friend.
Until the affair. off!
You're the piece of sh--, you cheater.
You're a----ing cheater, too.
Oh, am I?
So welcome to your own----ing club, Tamra.
I've been together with my husband for 13 years.
So where am I cheating, bitch?
When you met Eddie, you were with Simon.
I left my husband!
I don't care that you cheated.
I don't give a sh--.
Well, then, quit telling me I'm a----ing cheater.
Well, then, stop calling me names!
I said you're a sh--ty friend, and you are!
Well, you're a sh--ty person!
The perception is that she came on the show
and that you went for her.
First of all, Emily and Gina were the ones
that talked to her about it first.
I went up to her and said, Jenn, my advice to you
is, just be honest.
I don't care if you left your husband.
The problem is, is as your friend at the time,
I didn't know it was sh--ty.
I thought it was great.
So fast forward, I see the text messages
a year into your relationship that he's been cheating.
And you guys were at a----ing concert in San Diego.
And he's texting her, get in my bed and get naked.
And have you seen those messages?
I've seen all of them.
And you've seen the messages.
And you don't believe them to be true.
No, I've seen them.
I communicated with the girl.
I got a few.
So this is from August.
2021.
August 2021.
A year into their relationship.
And you were at a concert with him
in San Diego in August, at a country concert?
This is apparently what I--
Well, do you remember going to a country concert?
- We go to a ton. - She goes to a lot.
We bumped into each other at concerts.
So I mean, he's flirting with this person.
Obviously, I've seen all of these.
And he says, if I wasn't driving home from San Diego,
I'd make you meet me at my house naked.
- Wait, he said that? - Yes.
He said that.
- And you were with him? - Yes.
So was he messing around with her when you were on a break,
or you were together?
No, you were together. - No, we were not together.
But it was only--he only slept with her that one time.
He only--
But they were texting when you were back together?
For three months together.
There's three months of texts going back and forth.
He even says, at one point, are you, like,
in a committed relationship?
And he says, no.
Then there was a conversation between the two of them
because you had found a picture.
You were in the Bahamas with him.
And she sent him a risqué picture.
I did see the picture of her.
And he was like, I'll get her on the phone.
I don't know why the she sent me this.
I said, I don't want anything to do with this.
I want this to be done.
I want nothing to do with this girl.
She loves to show back up.
I'm curious, Shannon, your POV
on your bestie Tamra's interactions with Jenn
all season relating to Ryan.
In Cancun, I was sitting right next
to her, going, stop.
Like, this is too much because, you know,
it's hard enough to hear and have it be gossip
at a brunch table that your boyfriend--
But is this after you're at the pool party, saying,
can we dig up more?
- I know, that's the part-- - I wasn't saying dig up more.
- You did say that, Shannon! - I said there's a--
I was standing right there. And I heard you.
You keep acting like you're the hero.
I am not acting--
And you're the only person up here who cares about Jenn.
And that's bullsh--. You wanted to dig.
You were like, it's so juicy. We got to talk about it.
We got to get it on camera. We got to get it all.
- I didn't say that. - Yes, you did!
- I didn't say that. - OK, we're not gonna--
- Did she say that? - 100%.
- Yes, she did say that. - Yes, you did.
We're not going to solve it.
Tamra--
Again, Jenn, you can believe what you want.
I have only shown you that I've supported you.
Yeah, and given her track record, you just go
ahead and make your decision.
- I don't have a track record-- - Oh, yes, you do.
Of trying to screw people, Gina.
That's you.
No, you don't--oh, yes, OK.
Can I ask the dick pic story?
Because you gave two-- - 100%, why does she have it?
I was with Heather when she got it, when she got it!
And did you screen-grab it? How did you get that?
- Yeah, it was screen-grabbed. - That's----ed up!
If her husband accidentally sent me that,
she's the first call I get.
It's off my phone. - OK, OK!
That says so much about who you are.
- I keep asking-- - How am I?
I didn't send the----ing dick pic!
Stop protecting this piece of sh--!
When she opened it at the restaurant,
we were like, holy !
It's a limp dick, saying, my limp dick misses you.
Hi, me and my limp D miss you.
We were going on a date that night.
Ryan was getting in the shower.
Wait, I thought you were on a plane.
We were sitting on an airplane leaving for Vegas.
All of a sudden, a thing comes through.
And I look up at him, like, you're funny.
And then Ryan's like-- - Oh, no!
Holy sh--.
It was a completely different story
than when you got on Instagram and retold the dick pic story.
She said, we were on a plane.
I was on a plane!
But then on Instagram, you said you were at home in bed
and not feeling well.
And he sent it to you to be funny...
- I was feeling insecure. - And to make you feel better.
And he did it to make me feel better.
I was talking about why he sent the picture
to me of his limp dick.
It was a personal moment that--
it's none of anybody's business.
Who the sends dick pics on Snapchat
at 47 years old?
That's not fair. Who cares?
They're an adult couple. - What do you care?
- Listen-- - You do.
- Excuse me. - You totally do.
- Excuse me, Tamra! - Yeah.
All right, there's no part of you
that is concerned right now.
Andy, she's concerned.
But she's choosing to be in this relationship.
No, I'm not going to sit in this relationship concerned.
You chose to forgive him for that.
And you're moving on. And you're giving it a go.
OK, do you believe that he has a thing for married women?
No.
Do you like his denim jackets?
- I love him. - OK.
I love him. And he rocks it.
And he owns it.
I am more loved than I've ever been loved.
I am more prioritized.
And I'm so happy with him.
I personally feel like you're the bigger person.
And I feel like she's the scapegoat in her own story.
It's a testament to who she is that she doesn't just
chuck anybody under the bus.
She's trying to preserve and protect that.
And I apologize, Jenn.
Well, that's what I want to get to.
Where do you two go with each other?
Because--
I'm sorry, but it just made me so upset
that you knew all this stuff.
And you tried to protect him.
And you're trying to make me look like I'm a liar.
And that's what made me so upset.
And I'm sorry.
We're going to have to just do the,
like, I agree to disagree.
All right, so you two are just
going to agree to disagree.
And we'll see where this goes.
And I hope that he's changed.
And I hope that you are so happy because you
deserve happiness.
You're an amazing person.
Thank you.
All right, well, I think this is
a good spot to take a break.
Thanks for your openness.
We're going to be right back.
Coming up...
You told me, you.
Right before that, you called me anti-female.
That is bullsh--.
Taylor's going to be on your lap or your lap, I don't know.
Oh, well, she'll probably lick my boobs or something.
It's all good.
I want to know who's on the beach over there.
Oh, it's a live feed? It's not a video?
Is this live, or is it a loop?
No, it's a video.
OK.
Test, going through Taylor.
OK, cool.
Hi, Taylor.
Wow, you look beautiful.
- You look like beach Barbie. - You look so great.
She looks beautiful.
Hi, sweetie.
It's like a real ocean back there.
I know, we were trying to figure
out if it was live, or--
- All right. - In 5, 4, 3...
Welcome back to "The Real Housewives
of Orange County" reunion.
We're joined by former Beverly Hills Housewife, who's now
fighting hard from a different zip code
in the OC, Taylor Armstrong.
Hey, Taylor. - Hey.
How does it feel being the first Housewife to cross over?
Orange County's been my home for many, many years.
My parents moved there when I was quite young.
And so it feels like home to me.
And now, I'm finding real friendships
and developing my life in Orange County even more
with these ladies.
A recent video came out of you leaving a restaurant,
promoting the hell out of this reunion.
Yeah, and I've known some of those paparazzi 13 years.
So I was kind of being playful with them,
at least I thought I was until I saw it the next day.
But listen, girls, this better be a dirty reunion.
Well, with kids off to college,
Heather Dubrow finally had more time to love
and nurture her IMDb page.
And along the way, she learned that the perfect cure
for empty nest syndrome is to trade in the nest
for a cool $55 million.
Take a look.
Can you believe we're losing 50% of our kids?
50% more to go.
Now that two of them are gone, I feel like,
is my time looming?
And is it too late, my personal hopes
and dreams and acting goals?
No, certainly not too late.
I got cast in a movie.
There is another role available.
You told me that.
Oh, my gosh, you're so cute!
It felt very dismissive.
My feelings are hurt.
It's my first movie role.
And now, she's acting like, eh, poo, poo.
You want to sell your house?
$55 million isn't you money.
It's everybody you've ever known money.
If I tell some of my friends something positive,
I'm bragging.
You didn't tell us anything.
That's a big move!
I wasn't really sure how to discuss it.
You can't trust us!
How do you share something when
you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't?
OK, I want to start with Terry.
He had a stroke.
Yeah, so we were at the Ivy, me and Terry and Nicky.
And he had a stroke in front of me
and then didn't realize it happened.
You had a huge fight because you wanted
him to go to the hospital.
Huge fight.
He was crazy belligerent afterwards and not himself.
And I chased him around Beverly Hills for an hour,
literally chased him.
So he's in an Uber.
He wouldn't let me get in with him.
I'm in my own Uber, Life360, watching him on the app,
chasing him down the 405, and finally
got him to go to the hospital.
And the doctor comes in.
And they wheeled in the monitor.
And he read it. And he turns around.
And he goes, I had a----ing stroke.
I go, I know. I was there.
Wow.
I think I'm still in shock.
And I haven't processed it yet. I will.
I have scheduled my breakdown for this weekend
while we're away.
Wow.
I'm glad he's OK.
Yeah, me too.
Taylor, any update on your movie masterpiece?
Yes, we filmed part of it.
And, of course, with the writer's strike,
we're not going to be able to finish it.
But the role that Heather was going to play
ended up getting cast to a really big actor.
- Who got cast in her part? - I can't say.
But Eric Roberts did the first film.
And this guy is a bigger actor too, so...
- Oh. - Wow.
Taylor, Camilla in Lincoln, Nebraska
said, I totally agree with you that it was condescending
when Heather said, you're so cute.
Why do you think Heather is unaware of how
she speaks to people?
I've noticed that's just kind of how she talks.
But it felt dismissive.
And then I sent her pictures of the set.
I wanted her to see that it was a legitimate film so she
would take it seriously.
And then I told her, it's going to be filmed in Oklahoma.
And then she said, where's Oklahoma?
She doesn't even know where San Diego is.
I am not Magellan.
I'm very bad-- I'm very bad with directions.
But that's not a--but me saying something like that
is not like, where's Oklahoma?
It's like, where's Oklahoma?
I mean, why does everything have
to be twisted to negative?
But I want to say something to you.
If I offended you, I apologize.
I felt terrible that that's how you felt from me.
I certainly was not trying to be condescending to you.
I used the word cute.
I wanted to make that whole acting thing about you.
Tamra, you were the one that said that Heather has
not worked since the 1900s.
She did a lot of stuff in the late--
- '90s. - 1900s.
Why didn't you fess up when you were confronted?
OK, first of all, we talked about how great
her career was.
And then I went, 199--1900.
And we laughed because I said 1900s, not that we were
making fun of you, at all.
We were talking about the fact that I said 1900.
It's an actor's resume.
Tamra, can you imagine if I said to you,
wow, only nine years of the gym.
I mean, it's no Equinox!
How much money did you lose in there?
Well, you know what?
I'm secure in myself that I'd be like, whatever.
No, that's not the point.
It would be a sh--ty thing to say.
Yeah.
Dina, while shoveling sh-- with Heather,
you tried to warn her that Tamra was two-faced.
The only thing that I heard, that I heard, was Tamra
take a shot.
Look, it wasn't my attempt to be vicious to Tamra.
It was just like, look, we were all in the room.
I heard the comment.
Heather and I stood at the bar.
And we're moving past all of what we had been
going through with the acting.
And then you dragged her into the bathroom
and stirred the - ing pot by bringing
up the whole IMDb thing again.
Why did you go in the bathroom with her
instead of having a conversation that you and I
had together in front of her?
Because I was checking on her.
I just feel like if you were going
to talk about a conversation you and I had,
it should have been in front of me, not behind my back.
Well, we had the conversation sitting down.
And then Heather got upset and walked away.
So I went after her.
And in the bathroom, we continued the conversation.
Right, but--
I mean, I didn't know I had to invite you.
When she left to go to the bathroom, she wasn't furious.
And then when she came back, she was furious.
No, she was furious in the bathroom.
She was upset. She wasn't furious.
She was upset.
You told me, you.
Right before that, you called me anti-female.
And I want to clear that up right now.
For you to denigrate my career
is not only anti-female, but just not nice.
you.
I work tirelessly for women and children
of domestic abuse.
I know you do.
I've raised millions of dollars
for domestic violence shelters all over this country.
Don't you ever call me anti-female
because that is bullsh--.
Coming up...
You said, oh, my God, I just ran into a producer
I used to work with.
I looked at her and said, get me off this----ing show.
I work tirelessly
for women and children of domestic abuse.
I know you do.
I've raised millions of dollars
for domestic violence shelters...
- Which is great. - All over this country.
Don't you ever call me anti-female.
That's bullsh--. - Well, then, you know what?
Don't put down another woman's career, and be supportive.
I would say, more than anything,
I was supporting your acting career by suggesting that you
take a role that's a lead in a film
that I'm going to be like an underling in.
That is supporting your career.
In Montana, in the airport, you said,
oh, my God, I just ran into a producer
I used to work with.
I looked at her and said, get me off this----ing show.
Right.
Like, how is that supposed to make
us feel, like you're better than us,
like the show's not good enough for you?
No.
That you don't want to be here?
Do you think she thinks she's better than you?
Well, you know, when there's constantly comments
like that, you kind of wonder.
- Shannon, do you? - There's no constant comments.
I mean, I was there when she did say.
I mean--
Do you think she thinks she's better than you?
I don't know. I think sometimes.
But can I respond to what Tamra said?
Because I did say that.
So I ran into Diane Ruggiero, who was the executive producer
of my last series regular.
- Which was what show? - "That's Life" on CBS.
You can check my IMDb.
- I watched it. - So--thanks.
So what happened was, this had already been stirred up.
And you can understand how upsetting this whole thing is.
And we're in Montana in the airport.
Out of the bathroom is Diane.
And I looked at her like, oh, my God, is this a sign?
And then I'm looking around.
I'm like, oh, my God, they're trashing me, my career.
So that's your response to why you
want off this----ing show?
I'm telling you why I said that, and it hurts me.
I didn't mean, I want to be off the show.
I didn't mean it as a put-down, like, you're on the show.
I am super grateful for this platform.
I mean, I came back because of it.
Can I ask a question?
You just said, don't put down a woman's career.
Yeah.
So when Tamra was talking sh--
about me being an attorney in Montana,
did you take up for me?
No, I probably should have.
But the thing is, is it's a conversation
that I had with Heather that she tried to twist.
When I met Emily, she reached out to me as a party planner.
You said in the van, she's a party planner.
She's not a real lawyer.
I did not say that!
That is a----ing lie!
She's not a practicing attorney.
But wasn't she before?
What I can tell you is, is when I met Emily,
she told me she was a party planner.
I said she wasn't a practicing attorney.
No, that's not what you said.
I'm really tired of the, she's not a real attorney.
It hurts. - It's not right.
Or she's not a real actress.
Or I'm not a real actress!
No, I understand that because I feel the same.
But I just wish that when that was brought up,
that either you told me at the time or that you defended me.
Sandra from Sacramento said, Heather,
you claimed you didn't want to tell anyone
about the sale of your home because you were afraid it
would get out in the press.
But then you said you didn't feel like you
could share the news because it sounded
like you were bragging.
- Both. - It's both.
Both.
Is there someone sitting here that you don't think
was happy for you?
I really didn't think about it in terms of that.
But honestly, when we did talk about it,
it was just all negative.
It was like, yeah, OK, congratulations, I guess.
I think the hard thing for us is
that we read it in the press.
That's exactly what I didn't want to happen.
I thought it wouldn't be out in the press yet.
And we'd go to Mexico.
And I wanted to be like, I got to tell
you guys the craziest story.
I'm sorry I couldn't tell you.
That was my plan. I had no idea--
You know we would be happy for you.
And we were all happy for you.
I don't know that that's true.
Well, Jasmine from Dallas said,
it seems like everyone is straight up jealous
of you and your life.
Do you think that's the reason that you are picked on?
I don't subscribe to that word.
You know, to be honest, like, I have asked myself a lot what
happened this season because I think I am
a very self-actualized person.
And I really do want to always be a better
person, a better human, a better mom,
wife, friend, all the things.
Excuse me? - No, I'm sorry.
I have to go to the bathroom for a long time.
And I'm dying right now.
Listen, I think the answer is, I just--
I don't know.
And I can't cry because my breakdown is not for two days.
But I'm just sad.
Do you think that maybe the reason you feel isolated is
because you're offended all the time about everything everyone
does and says?
You have to have thick skin to be on the show.
I'm not offended by everything
everyone does and says.
I feel like you--
I feel like that's a lot of the problem.
And maybe if you lightened up a little
and you were able to laugh at yourself a little bit more,
it wouldn't be so harsh in your life.
Who here thinks that Heather has a sense of humor?
I do. I really do.
She has a sense of humor.
I'm not going to completely take that away from her.
OK.
But can I say one more thing about the isolation
thing, Heather?
Whenever we were in Tulum that we were shopping that day,
I was hoping that you and I had moved past things.
And I asked you to sit and talk with me.
And we had a nice conversation.
We did.
But I wanted you to know in that moment,
I am here for you.
I appreciated you sitting me down.
I thought we had a nice conversation.
But, Taylor, everything you said was very punitive.
And you continue to do that in your social media.
I would appreciate it, as a coworker
and someone who is a fellow actor,
to maybe please stop doing that.
I would like for you and I to review what those things
are that have been said on social media, separate
from this conversation.
Because I don't know what you're talking about.
- There are archives. - And I'd like to.
All right, well, guess what?
This is sadly where we are going
to say goodbye to you, Taylor.
Great to see you.
Thanks for hanging out with us.
It was so fun seeing your happy ending this season.
Thank you.
My happy ending.
OK, we're going to take a break.
And we will be back with more after this.
Coming up...
I don't like you.
You can make up things about my children!
Oh, keep screaming, Gina!
I will, Shannon!
We're so relaxed because of this setting.
The beach. - We're at the beach.
We usually have champagne at lunch.
Is that the thing?
You should have been in my trailer.
I wasn't invited, per ushe.
- Oh, God! - That was funny actually.
OK.
5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
I'm Andy Cohen.
We are back with "The Real Housewives
of Orange County" reunion.
With a solid relationship and a budding real estate career,
Gina's life was on the upswing this season.
But some of her friendships in this group
might still be in need of some major renovation.
Watch this.
I decided that I'm going to get my real estate license.
How much is this house?
I did not actually get the price.
You don't have the price of the house?
- Bye, bye, Dada. - I'll see you later.
See ya.
Thankfully, I'm in a really good spot with my ex.
I heard that you had an affair.
- I did! - I am not pro cheating.
I was part of one, you know?
And I see how that happened.
We had been sleeping in separate rooms for two years.
It's hard for me to be around you, trying
to justify the infidelity.
It's not my job to make you feel good about it.
I'm going to tell you, Shannon's trying
to dig into your relationship.
I tried to be kind to her.
I helped her with her DUI.
She's always going to remind me
what a----ing saint she is.
She was about to get arrested at 8:00 a.m.
in the morning with her kids.
They would have gone to Child Protective Services.
Holy cow, you don't talk about a mom
and her kids and CPS.
I'd be pissed!
That is really mean.
Stop stirring sh-- up, Jenn, Jesus Christ!
It is not true!
I would never say that!
If you can say things that are that----ing hurtful
and not even remember you said it,
you need to go----ing check yourself into rehab.
And then when you do, and you get to the----ing I'm sorry
step, I'll be waiting for that apology.
OK, there's a lot to unpack there.
Jenn, Gina clearly had a reaction to your infidelity.
What did you think of that? Were you surprised?
I was shocked.
I thought, well, how am I this trigger for her?
But what I--
But everybody was talking about it a lot.
I know, yeah.
Do you think the not drinking allowed you
to go through those emotions that you probably
didn't go through previously because you
were numb all the time?
- Yeah, I had no choice. - It was raw.
And it was like, she couldn't hide from it.
- I had to feel it. - Yeah.
You said that the infidelity stuck with you more
than the domestic violence.
Why is that?
I think it's not just like, oh,
you find out about an affair.
And then it's done.
It's like, that's only when it starts.
And it's like, pure hell for a very long time.
And it's every day you wake up.
And it destroys your family.
It destroys your mental health.
And it's just--it's so hard.
So you're saying.
Even the domestic violence, that's an isolated event
one time that maybe--
Because to me, that, what happened that night,
was not Matt.
Right.
And I don't look at him like that person.
And I feel like he lost his way.
And it's very hard for me.
And I do have guilt. And now it's all exposed.
And I feel guilty about that.
And I know you deal with that, too.
It's just, it's very complicated.
Devin in Columbia, Missouri wants to know, Heather,
why did you have such a problem with Gina sharing
her issues with Travis?
You shouldn't be talking to Travis about this.
Travis is your boyfriend.
First of all, I haven't had a boyfriend in almost 30 years.
So let me just preface it with that.
But like, in my day, you didn't talk about your ex
to your current, right?
Because then they would think--
Right, that's what I tell my kids.
- Right? - But it wasn't--
but it wasn't negative against Travis.
It's different, though, when you have blended families
because we talk about--
I mean, I talk about Shane's ex all the time.
Yeah, and I don't know from that.
And I knew you meant well.
My relationship with Matt, Britt, my whole family,
that's a new birth.
That's a new relationship.
But I still have to process out something
that happened to me, that changed
the course of my entire life.
Right.
So, Shannon, at last year's reunion,
you point blank said to Gina, I will never
bring up the DUI ever again.
Right.
So why bring it back up this season?
Because that's what I said, I didn't remember that I did it.
And I feel awful about it.
She was drunk and angry at me.
My question is, why did you get so mad at Jenn
for saying it to Gina when it was said on camera?
She alludes to, when you went through your DUI, your kids
would have gone to CPS if she didn't step in, and I--
OK, well, that is----ing absurd.
I felt like, as soon as you sat down there,
you're like, OK, I'm going to do my job.
And I'm going to start stirring the pot.
I'm not a pot-stirrer!
Do you think I'm a pot-stirrer, Shannon?
- I do think that you were-- - Do you?
Getting back to this, Gina, did you
ever get that apology from Shannon that you asked for?
I have not.
I said it at the table, at the pumpkin patch.
But you also didn't even acknowledge that you even
said it at the pumpkin patch.
Because, Gina, I do not remember saying it.
But I do want to be very, very clear here.
When I made that statement, I wasn't saying
that your kids would be put in the system
and taken away from you.
It was, had you been arrested and an adult wouldn't have
been present, they wouldn't have
left your children there until you got your legal things
taken care of.
That being said, I was told by Heather that you were
discussing my relationship.
I was fricking pissed off at you.
I have--I don't like you.
We don't get along because you don't know anything about me.
I haven't had an intimate--
And I haven't said anything about you!
Well, I was told otherwise.
What are my children's names?
- Sienna. - Uh-huh.
And now, I'm, like, blanking.
Never talk about my children again, Shannon.
I've known you for six years.
You don't even know my kids' names.
Of course I do.
And you're going to drop a bomb about CPS?
It is completely inaccurate.
It is so inappropriate.
If you had--
You are so out of bounds right here, Shannon.
You were so wrong.
And for you to have anything right now other than an,
I'm sorry for my behavior, you are--
Was it an unkind thing that I said about CPS?
Yes, it was.
You should have never said it.
OK.
You're worried about everybody talking
about the things that you're talking about,
about your own relationship.
I am not making up sh-- about your relationship.
You can make up things about circumstances
from the past regarding my children, my children!
- Oh, keep screaming, Gina! - I will, Shannon!
I will scream as much as I want.
This is not right, what you are doing here.
And I knew you were going to do this
because this is who you are.
You're worried about everybody talking
about your own relationship.
I am not making up sh-- about your relationship.
But you can make up things about my children,
my children!
- Oh, keep screaming, Gina! - I will, Shannon!
I will scream as much as I want because this is who you are.
You are the woman who gets proven
that you did a sh--ty thing.
And you don't just lay down and say you're sorry.
It is not OK.
What was your reaction to seeing the flashback?
Oh, I was horrified by it.
- You were? - Absolutely.
So reach out to me!
But you can see from my reaction that, I mean,
I immediately was like--
So why didn't you text me?
Gina, I spoke to you at the table
when it had been established.
Yeah, but you had never even believed that you said that.
She's talking about afterwards, when you
actually knew that you did say it.
That was the opportunity for you to take that opportunity--
It was established at the table--
To say, you know what, I was wrong.
OK, Emily--
I'm just trying to say-- I'm just trying to say--
I get what you're saying.
But it was established at the table that day at Tanaka Farms
that I had made this statement.
This was an opportunity for you to be a kind person.
I have--do you want me to go through the list of the kind
things I've done for you?
Shannon, you gave a phone number
to me 4 1/2 years ago.
And then you have used it as a weapon ever since.
Do you think that you have beaten
to death the kind thing that you did to her four years ago?
- No, I have a-- - She's weaponized it.
She has weaponized it!
I have a laundry list of other kind things that I did.
What are the other things?
She says she makes lists of super-duper kind things,
so that she can highlight, look, I'm a good person.
You know what, when you were alone, and Matt was gone,
and before you met Travis, who was the one
calling you and inviting you out all
the time with my friends that you say don't exist?
That was me.
Right, and now, and this is what you do, though.
Now, you're like, oh, look, I was good to you that day--
- No, because you keep saying-- - That day we went out.
Because you keep painting me out
to be this horrible person.
I'm not painting you. You are who you are, Shannon.
I'm going to defend myself.
Can I ask you a question?
You were upset that others were talking
about you and John Jannsen.
And then you spoke about she and Travis, right?
Let's talk about Travis and his this big penis.
Three years ago, someone had told me a story.
And when I was told that Gina was talking
about my relationship, I brought up something
I had heard three years ago.
Got it.
Then why did you bring it up now if it was three years ago?
Because I was told that she was talking and saying
horrible things about me.
Right, and instead of coming to me and saying,
are you saying these things, and having
a conversation with me, you just chucked
my boyfriend under the bus.
You chucked me as a parent under the bus.
And you were only worried about yourself.
It crosses a line, like, a serious line.
I did apologize about the Travis comment.
Can I just say something about the CPS comment?
I just want to say this.
As a mother, there isn't anything more harmful
or detrimental to you than to say that someone's kids--
no, let me finish, let me finish.
That is the lowest thing that you can say to another woman
who has children.
And I understand that now you understand that.
But I feel like right now,
you're being so defensive instead of just saying,
you know what, Gina?
I completely----ed up.
I was completely wrong.
Just--I crossed a line. I am sorry.
I'm going to take it down.
I don't care about, like, whatever.
Like, three years ago, yeah, we went out.
We had a little bit of fun.
My kids are this close to being on social media.
You put clickbait out there--
Gina, mom, CPS, children almost taken away.
My children, for them to see that and get hurt by that,
and you don't even know their names!
This is a wound that has stayed with me.
And it will stay with me.
You have crossed a line, to the point
where I don't even know if I can honestly
even continue to do this.
Next week, the reunion concludes.
Who was the first to notice K-Dog's ball was coming out?
We had balls. We had plenty of balls.
Did they sign a release?
You really believe that I was this Machiavellian,
behind the scenes--
- I do, Heather. - Wow.
You have no sense of humor and no ability
to laugh at yourself.
That's just----ing rude.
Well, calling someone a mammoth is rude.
You were friends with me only because you were afraid of me.
Why I've never gone against you
is because I'm scared of you.
You should be as scared of me.
She goes, what do you expect?
I'm working with a bunch of----ing losers.
I didn't call anyone a loser.
Bullsh--!
I'm so manipulative.
Poor Heather, poor Heather, poor Heather--
- I'm not saying-- - The whole----ing time.
- By the way, it was stupid-- - Oh, my God!