1 00:00:03,090 --> 00:00:05,266 Previously, on The Real Housewives of Orange County. 2 00:00:05,266 --> 00:00:07,094 Welcome to Big Bear, girls! 3 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:09,531 [screaming] 4 00:00:09,531 --> 00:00:10,619 Oh, my God! 5 00:00:10,619 --> 00:00:11,794 I thought it would be fun 6 00:00:11,794 --> 00:00:13,013 if we go out to La Quinta. 7 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:15,015 - Hi! - Hi. 8 00:00:15,015 --> 00:00:16,799 Gina, welcome to your house. 9 00:00:16,799 --> 00:00:18,627 - Sh--. - [shouting] 10 00:00:19,193 --> 00:00:21,630 Are you----ing kidding me? 11 00:00:21,630 --> 00:00:23,719 - I have to ask you. - What is it? 12 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:25,155 The paparazzi of it all. 13 00:00:25,155 --> 00:00:26,722 Gina knew it would not be funny. You got set up. 14 00:00:26,722 --> 00:00:28,289 She told you girls, apparently, that 15 00:00:28,289 --> 00:00:29,812 she called me ten minutes later 16 00:00:29,812 --> 00:00:31,379 and said, don't say it, that's not what happened. 17 00:00:31,379 --> 00:00:32,858 You're gonna believe that girl over me? 18 00:00:32,858 --> 00:00:34,338 You believed her over me. 19 00:00:34,338 --> 00:00:36,166 I'm going to try and move past this. 20 00:00:36,862 --> 00:00:42,390 Gina said that you were so far up Tamra's ass. 21 00:00:42,390 --> 00:00:44,087 What the [bleep] is up with Emily? 22 00:00:44,087 --> 00:00:45,610 She's lodged up Tamra's ass. 23 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:48,309 You said that I'm mean, that I've changed. 24 00:00:48,309 --> 00:00:50,267 If we're supposed to be best friends, 25 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:51,486 why are you telling everyone else? 26 00:00:51,486 --> 00:00:53,705 I got a letter from a lawyer 27 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:57,405 representing John Jansen, and that I owe him $75,000. 28 00:00:57,405 --> 00:00:58,797 You know, I'll bring the receipts. 29 00:00:58,797 --> 00:01:00,190 Why does Shannon owe money? 30 00:01:00,190 --> 00:01:01,844 A facelift and a loan. 31 00:01:01,844 --> 00:01:03,672 I don't want to go to battle. 32 00:01:03,672 --> 00:01:05,239 You paid for everything. 33 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:07,284 There are a lot of lies that have been spoken about John, 34 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:08,459 and they're gonna be cleared up. 35 00:01:08,459 --> 00:01:09,852 Johnny's ready to talk. 36 00:01:09,852 --> 00:01:12,724 He has videos of her at the night of her DUI. 37 00:01:14,204 --> 00:01:18,556 ♪ 38 00:01:18,556 --> 00:01:20,863 Just because I drink from a flute, 39 00:01:20,863 --> 00:01:22,778 doesn't mean you can play me. 40 00:01:24,127 --> 00:01:26,216 Even in the harshest of times, 41 00:01:26,216 --> 00:01:28,827 this Storms will always weather it. 42 00:01:30,307 --> 00:01:32,744 I used to question people for a living, 43 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:35,095 now I just do it for fun. 44 00:01:37,575 --> 00:01:41,231 Like the properties I represent, I know my worth. 45 00:01:42,537 --> 00:01:44,452 When you live your life on the green, 46 00:01:44,452 --> 00:01:47,107 envy is just par for the course. 47 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:50,153 People bend over backwards to get me, 48 00:01:50,153 --> 00:01:53,113 and their form is terrible. 49 00:01:54,505 --> 00:01:57,856 The only thing stuck up about me is my middle finger. 50 00:02:04,385 --> 00:02:07,823 [upbeat music] 51 00:02:17,659 --> 00:02:19,878 I'm just gonna put that out there. 52 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:23,578 Oh, my God. 53 00:02:23,578 --> 00:02:26,146 [music cuts out] 54 00:02:26,972 --> 00:02:28,713 Okay... 55 00:02:30,237 --> 00:02:33,631 ♪ 56 00:02:42,292 --> 00:02:45,165 [coffee machine whirring] 57 00:02:45,991 --> 00:02:47,558 Chatty Catty's over here. 58 00:02:47,558 --> 00:02:49,560 - Oh, sorry. - Good morning. 59 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,910 I know. We couldn't sleep. 60 00:02:53,651 --> 00:02:56,915 We laughed, we cried, we talked sh--. 61 00:02:56,915 --> 00:02:58,178 So there was just... 62 00:02:58,178 --> 00:02:59,614 - a lot going down. - All of it. 63 00:02:59,614 --> 00:03:01,093 But we laughed, is the most important thing. 64 00:03:01,093 --> 00:03:02,182 We laughed. 65 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:04,184 Oh, my God! 66 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:05,359 Oh god! 67 00:03:05,359 --> 00:03:06,708 Don't be a prude. 68 00:03:06,708 --> 00:03:08,753 You're banging four times a day over there. 69 00:03:08,753 --> 00:03:09,754 [laughing] 70 00:03:09,754 --> 00:03:11,278 Your vag needed a break tonight. 71 00:03:11,278 --> 00:03:12,366 It's good you're here. 72 00:03:12,366 --> 00:03:13,802 I really like Katie. 73 00:03:13,802 --> 00:03:15,804 - I like Katie too. - I really like her. 74 00:03:15,804 --> 00:03:17,109 She's a good girl. 75 00:03:17,109 --> 00:03:18,415 How are we gonna convince Heather to like her? 76 00:03:18,415 --> 00:03:19,634 Heather's a hardhead. 77 00:03:19,634 --> 00:03:21,853 - Is she? - Yes, she's a hardhead. 78 00:03:24,073 --> 00:03:25,727 Love a good hatchet, right? 79 00:03:25,727 --> 00:03:27,424 I lost my coffee. 80 00:03:27,424 --> 00:03:29,731 No, over there. That's yours over there. 81 00:03:29,731 --> 00:03:34,823 There's something unresolved and brewing between Emily and I. 82 00:03:34,823 --> 00:03:38,392 And it's honestly like the most uncomfortable feeling for me. 83 00:03:38,392 --> 00:03:39,480 Like I hate it. 84 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,264 I know how reactionary I am. 85 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:42,613 And if I say something immediately, 86 00:03:42,613 --> 00:03:44,485 it'll just be mean and aggressive, 87 00:03:44,485 --> 00:03:46,138 which is what she's accused me of being. 88 00:03:46,138 --> 00:03:49,403 So I'm trying to, like, think about it before I speak. 89 00:03:49,403 --> 00:03:51,231 Do not touch this. 90 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,929 I have taken my hand and not thought 91 00:03:53,929 --> 00:03:56,671 and went like this and burned the entire hand. 92 00:03:56,671 --> 00:03:58,020 Oh, yeah. 93 00:03:58,020 --> 00:03:59,282 Are you allowed to put that on the countertop? 94 00:03:59,282 --> 00:04:00,457 Sure, why not? 95 00:04:00,457 --> 00:04:01,850 I don't know. 96 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,069 - Shannon! - I just did it. 97 00:04:04,069 --> 00:04:06,202 That was so bozozo. 98 00:04:06,202 --> 00:04:08,160 - Guys. - Yeah? 99 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,684 This smells good. 100 00:04:09,684 --> 00:04:12,339 In the morning, are you a Red Bull over coffee? 101 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:14,210 You know, I don't know what's going on. 102 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:15,690 I might even be premenopausal. 103 00:04:15,690 --> 00:04:17,822 I'm on my period a lot, and I'm off, 104 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:19,520 and I don't have a period for two months. 105 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,304 Some of it might be stress from my mom. 106 00:04:21,304 --> 00:04:22,479 I don't know. 107 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:24,002 The question was, you're a Red Bull 108 00:04:24,002 --> 00:04:25,308 instead of coffee, and then it went into menopause. 109 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:26,918 Oh, no, that's what I'm saying. 110 00:04:26,918 --> 00:04:29,530 It's like I used to love coffee for the past two months. 111 00:04:29,530 --> 00:04:30,879 I don't. Sorry. 112 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:32,141 What the [bleep] is happening, Alexis? 113 00:04:32,141 --> 00:04:34,186 Do you drink Red Bull or coffee? 114 00:04:34,186 --> 00:04:36,058 What's happening with your period? 115 00:04:36,058 --> 00:04:37,581 Okay. Okay. Yeah. 116 00:04:37,581 --> 00:04:40,628 You know the best thing about being with Alexis 117 00:04:40,628 --> 00:04:42,934 is that you don't ever have to have 118 00:04:42,934 --> 00:04:46,024 any kind of thought about your conversation. 119 00:04:46,416 --> 00:04:49,550 She just has something to say all the time. 120 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:51,508 Don't ask her any more questions! 121 00:04:51,508 --> 00:04:52,727 Cheers, everyone. 122 00:04:52,727 --> 00:04:54,685 - Cheers. - Look at all this. 123 00:04:54,685 --> 00:04:57,035 Look at how beautiful it is out today. 124 00:04:57,035 --> 00:04:58,254 I know. 125 00:04:58,254 --> 00:04:59,951 This has been really fun, you guys. 126 00:04:59,951 --> 00:05:01,605 I mean, I thought we were gonna have fun at the golf event, 127 00:05:01,605 --> 00:05:03,346 but I didn't have that much fun, and then... 128 00:05:03,346 --> 00:05:04,782 that last dinner sort of went south. 129 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:07,742 I had zero intention to bring our friend group 130 00:05:07,742 --> 00:05:10,266 into the fact that John Jansen 131 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:13,443 is threatening to sue me, saying that I owe him money. 132 00:05:13,443 --> 00:05:15,750 I will tell you, just from the beginning, though, 133 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:17,708 from an optic standpoint... 134 00:05:17,708 --> 00:05:20,232 - Didn't look good for you. - It didn't look good for you. 135 00:05:20,232 --> 00:05:21,451 And that's upsetting to me, too. 136 00:05:21,451 --> 00:05:22,931 And it honestly, let me just finish, 137 00:05:22,931 --> 00:05:25,542 it made you look like you had been dishonest 138 00:05:25,542 --> 00:05:26,891 about the relationship. 139 00:05:26,891 --> 00:05:30,504 Do I have stacks of my credit cards 140 00:05:30,504 --> 00:05:32,506 and canceled checks that prove 141 00:05:32,506 --> 00:05:34,595 and show that I paid for stuff? 142 00:05:34,595 --> 00:05:36,336 - We believe you. - It's insane, you guys. 143 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:40,340 Shannon's always said she paid for every single thing. 144 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:42,254 He never paid for a plane ticket. 145 00:05:42,254 --> 00:05:43,517 He never paid for a meal. 146 00:05:43,517 --> 00:05:44,996 Here's the problem. 147 00:05:44,996 --> 00:05:47,956 The whole basis of why Shannon's been upset 148 00:05:47,956 --> 00:05:51,655 all these years is, was he really committed to her 149 00:05:51,655 --> 00:05:53,831 if he couldn't even pick up a meal? 150 00:05:53,831 --> 00:05:55,920 We know that you were paying for a bunch of stuff 151 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,792 at the beginning, but we didn't know that 152 00:05:57,792 --> 00:06:00,272 that was his attempt to reimburse you, right? 153 00:06:00,272 --> 00:06:02,623 - Now, he's been... - That was my understanding. 154 00:06:02,623 --> 00:06:05,408 Right, I understand that. But nobody knew that. 155 00:06:05,408 --> 00:06:07,105 None of us knew that. 156 00:06:07,105 --> 00:06:10,500 This is why you always have to wait to hear the defense, 157 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:13,460 because the prosecution tells a very good story. 158 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:15,157 Shannon is the prosecution. 159 00:06:15,157 --> 00:06:17,072 I just want to give you an example. 160 00:06:17,072 --> 00:06:19,030 It was his oldest daughter's birthday, 161 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:23,165 and I thought, let's go on our family vacation. 162 00:06:23,165 --> 00:06:25,167 We went up to Los Angeles. 163 00:06:25,167 --> 00:06:26,429 I paid for four rooms 164 00:06:26,429 --> 00:06:27,865 at the London Hotel for the weekend. 165 00:06:27,865 --> 00:06:30,215 That trip's close to 10 grand. 166 00:06:30,215 --> 00:06:31,956 That's how generous I was, 167 00:06:31,956 --> 00:06:34,959 and he's telling me that I owe him money? 168 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:37,179 Were you trying to buy the relationship? 169 00:06:37,179 --> 00:06:38,615 Were you trying to buy his love? 170 00:06:38,615 --> 00:06:41,139 She just was in love. She was in love. 171 00:06:41,139 --> 00:06:43,490 - And I enjoyed doing that. - And she wanted the family. 172 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:45,100 She wanted it all. 173 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:47,145 You know when you're in a relationship with someone, 174 00:06:47,145 --> 00:06:49,060 it feels like it's all in the same pot. 175 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:52,020 Yeah. And, you know, men's egos are attached to their wives, 176 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:54,283 so I wasn't going to confront him, you know? 177 00:06:54,283 --> 00:06:56,938 I just thought, I'm good. I'll just pay for it. 178 00:06:56,938 --> 00:06:59,070 Can't you force, like, mediation or something? 179 00:06:59,070 --> 00:07:02,422 I am already paying my attorney to deal with this. 180 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,032 Maybe you just cut out the attorney 181 00:07:04,032 --> 00:07:06,208 and just send him an offer and say, I'll give you 30 grand. 182 00:07:06,208 --> 00:07:07,905 I don't want to! 183 00:07:08,776 --> 00:07:11,909 I'm telling you, like, out of principle, 184 00:07:11,909 --> 00:07:13,128 I don't want-- 185 00:07:13,128 --> 00:07:15,043 like, I don't want to give him a dollar. 186 00:07:15,043 --> 00:07:16,436 I feel bad. 187 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:20,831 It's just such a freaking slap in the face to me. 188 00:07:24,705 --> 00:07:26,489 I'm really sorry that you're going through this. 189 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:29,579 Oh, Shannon, I feel so bad for you. 190 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:36,412 We support you, and you will figure it out. 191 00:07:36,412 --> 00:07:39,415 And whatever you need, we will be there for you, Shannon. 192 00:07:39,415 --> 00:07:43,027 And your mental health is worth more. 193 00:07:43,027 --> 00:07:44,594 - More than anything. - Yes. 194 00:07:44,594 --> 00:07:46,291 You don't understand how overwhelmed I am 195 00:07:46,291 --> 00:07:48,903 with love right now. Like, you guys are so kind. 196 00:07:48,903 --> 00:07:51,209 And that's why I feel like I don't deserve it. 197 00:07:51,209 --> 00:07:53,560 - I'm so grateful. - No, you do. We all do. 198 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,736 I'm so grateful. I really am. 199 00:07:55,736 --> 00:07:58,303 Don't cry, don't cry. 200 00:07:59,043 --> 00:08:02,220 - Don't cry. - Don't cry, don't... 201 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:03,961 Don't cry. 202 00:08:03,961 --> 00:08:05,006 Sorry, you guys. 203 00:08:05,006 --> 00:08:06,834 Don't cry. It's gonna be okay. 204 00:08:06,834 --> 00:08:09,750 I have been going through so much in my head 205 00:08:09,750 --> 00:08:12,230 and living by myself, and I would have, 206 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:15,103 in the past, confided in Tamra for most of it. 207 00:08:15,103 --> 00:08:18,236 So the outpouring of support and kindness 208 00:08:18,236 --> 00:08:21,501 that I'm getting right now, I didn't expect this. 209 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:23,067 I just want her to do whatever it takes 210 00:08:23,067 --> 00:08:24,765 to get him the [bleep] out of her life. 211 00:08:24,765 --> 00:08:26,593 - I know. - I'll write a check to him. 212 00:08:26,593 --> 00:08:28,725 This is what I have. I want you to sign it. 213 00:08:28,725 --> 00:08:31,815 Shannon, go----ing choke on this Beador. 214 00:08:32,729 --> 00:08:34,252 Coming up. 215 00:08:34,252 --> 00:08:35,602 That's fine. 216 00:08:35,602 --> 00:08:37,038 - No, everybody, [bleep]-- - No, it's true. 217 00:08:37,038 --> 00:08:38,474 No, because you're mad at me. She's mad at me, 218 00:08:38,474 --> 00:08:39,562 she's mad at me, she's mad, 219 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:40,824 Travis is mad at me. 220 00:08:40,824 --> 00:08:42,739 Everybody's----ing mad at me. 221 00:08:46,047 --> 00:08:48,223 [laidback instrumental] 222 00:08:49,572 --> 00:08:50,834 I want to play pickleball. 223 00:08:50,834 --> 00:08:52,270 Let's go-- let's go change. 224 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:53,533 Come on. 225 00:08:56,448 --> 00:08:57,537 Heather. Heather. 226 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:58,929 Heather doesn't take her plate. 227 00:08:58,929 --> 00:09:01,192 - Of course she doesn't. - Of course she doesn't. 228 00:09:05,719 --> 00:09:07,547 - Last night was fun. - It was so fun. 229 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,287 You guys, yesterday all day was fun. 230 00:09:09,287 --> 00:09:10,375 Even the car ride. 231 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:12,595 We formed a Bible study 232 00:09:12,595 --> 00:09:14,858 and established an OnlyFans page. 233 00:09:14,858 --> 00:09:16,991 Now take the shoulders off and show the boobies. 234 00:09:16,991 --> 00:09:19,210 I'm trying to make you - ing money! 235 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:20,472 I am your manager. 236 00:09:20,472 --> 00:09:22,170 Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's good. 237 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:23,519 Shake that tail. Shake that tail. 238 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:25,216 Furries are gonna love this. 239 00:09:25,216 --> 00:09:26,870 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 240 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:30,221 I'll be her first customer, but I want 15%. 241 00:09:30,221 --> 00:09:33,050 Jen, did you ever get any resolve about Will? 242 00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:35,226 This is Will's day with the kids. 243 00:09:35,226 --> 00:09:37,359 He has to pick up from school. He's always late. 244 00:09:37,359 --> 00:09:39,448 But he got Gray to volleyball last night 245 00:09:39,448 --> 00:09:40,884 and took the kids to dinner. 246 00:09:40,884 --> 00:09:42,582 Everything gets worked out. 247 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:45,106 It's just that I wish Will and I and Laura could sit down and go, 248 00:09:45,106 --> 00:09:48,326 Hey, we got these nine kids between us. 249 00:09:48,326 --> 00:09:49,893 Laura, text me. 250 00:09:49,893 --> 00:09:51,547 Will and Laura have been together now 251 00:09:51,547 --> 00:09:53,418 for three years, I think. 252 00:09:53,418 --> 00:09:54,985 Laura was a friend of mine, 253 00:09:54,985 --> 00:09:58,206 and she was my interior designer when we were married. 254 00:09:58,206 --> 00:10:01,601 When I found out that my husband was dating one of my friends, 255 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:02,819 I lost my mind. 256 00:10:02,819 --> 00:10:04,299 I was taking Grayson to school, 257 00:10:04,299 --> 00:10:06,736 and I saw Laura that morning sitting in her car. 258 00:10:06,736 --> 00:10:08,042 I rolled the window down, 259 00:10:08,042 --> 00:10:10,087 and I was like, da-da-da-da-da-da. 260 00:10:10,087 --> 00:10:13,438 And then after I got my cool, I was thinking, 261 00:10:13,438 --> 00:10:15,179 It's Laura, and you love her. 262 00:10:15,179 --> 00:10:16,833 Why can't we just communicate 263 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:19,227 so it doesn't have to be like hellfire? 264 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:20,489 Yes. 265 00:10:20,489 --> 00:10:22,883 I wish we could all let pain and hurt go, 266 00:10:22,883 --> 00:10:25,233 because at the very least, we could co-parent 267 00:10:25,233 --> 00:10:27,714 all these kids way better than we're doing. 268 00:10:27,714 --> 00:10:29,759 Where is Will living, with Laura? 269 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:31,456 So he has an apartment. 270 00:10:31,456 --> 00:10:33,328 But, like, the kids had family dinner 271 00:10:33,328 --> 00:10:36,505 over at Laura's the other night, and they played games, and... 272 00:10:36,505 --> 00:10:37,724 Did you see it? 273 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:39,377 On his Instagram. 274 00:10:39,377 --> 00:10:40,770 Well, I'm blocked on Instagram. I don't see anything. 275 00:10:40,770 --> 00:10:43,207 I'm not. I will be now. 276 00:10:45,993 --> 00:10:48,996 [children chattering] 277 00:10:48,996 --> 00:10:50,214 Wow. 278 00:10:50,998 --> 00:10:52,913 You're getting emotional, though, right now. 279 00:10:52,913 --> 00:10:54,479 - I know. - What are you feeling? 280 00:10:54,479 --> 00:10:56,525 I know, but what are you feeling right now, babe? 281 00:10:56,917 --> 00:10:59,354 It's just been so long and so much, 282 00:10:59,354 --> 00:11:01,748 and it's just, you know, it's like you're supposed 283 00:11:01,748 --> 00:11:03,053 to get divorced and hate this person, 284 00:11:03,053 --> 00:11:04,489 but I don't hate him. 285 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:07,014 I did love my husband a lot, 286 00:11:07,014 --> 00:11:09,712 and it's so sad to me, 287 00:11:09,712 --> 00:11:13,194 because in this video, Will's, like, big and full of life, 288 00:11:13,194 --> 00:11:16,458 and that's not how he was with me. 289 00:11:16,458 --> 00:11:19,940 And that's a hard pill to swallow. 290 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:21,332 If you found someone, 291 00:11:21,332 --> 00:11:23,247 and she's everything I never was, 292 00:11:23,247 --> 00:11:25,510 why can't you let me in a little bit 293 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:28,818 and just be a co-parent to you with these kids? 294 00:11:28,818 --> 00:11:30,341 I feel the exact same way. 295 00:11:30,341 --> 00:11:32,866 Like, I've been in your shoes at this point. 296 00:11:32,866 --> 00:11:35,129 I said to Jim, we are going to be at 297 00:11:35,129 --> 00:11:37,697 every big monumental moment in the life. 298 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:40,003 Like, at some point, you have to have a conversation with him. 299 00:11:40,003 --> 00:11:41,309 When you see... 300 00:11:42,789 --> 00:11:44,529 like, him and the kids, 301 00:11:44,529 --> 00:11:46,793 and it's just them, and you're not in that picture, 302 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:48,533 like, does that hurt you? 303 00:11:48,533 --> 00:11:50,361 Like, you've just been erased, like, that was your family, 304 00:11:50,361 --> 00:11:52,189 and all of a sudden, like, you've been cut off. 305 00:11:52,189 --> 00:11:53,713 Yeah, I think that's the hard part. 306 00:11:54,061 --> 00:11:57,020 After my divorce, I lost my daughter. 307 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:58,543 I don't understand, God, 308 00:11:58,543 --> 00:12:01,372 because why would you take my child away from me? 309 00:12:01,372 --> 00:12:03,287 I'm gonna be your strength right now. 310 00:12:03,287 --> 00:12:05,202 God, please, just lift Tamra up right now 311 00:12:05,202 --> 00:12:08,902 and just fill her with all of your love and your peace. 312 00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:10,730 The last time I saw Sydney was at 313 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,383 Sophia's graduation last year. 314 00:12:12,383 --> 00:12:15,038 It was so nice to just talk to her. 315 00:12:15,038 --> 00:12:16,910 And then I thought, oh, my God, here we are, 316 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:18,215 we're on the up and up. 317 00:12:18,215 --> 00:12:20,652 And... no. 318 00:12:20,652 --> 00:12:22,611 I-- I would text her afterwards, 319 00:12:22,611 --> 00:12:25,570 and she just wouldn't return my text messages. 320 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,224 Well, thank you for sharing. 321 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:29,009 Oh... 322 00:12:30,837 --> 00:12:33,665 Here we go again. I'm sorry, eat your----ing sausage. 323 00:12:33,665 --> 00:12:37,234 [upbeat instrumental] 324 00:12:42,283 --> 00:12:44,067 Are we playing pickleball? 325 00:12:44,067 --> 00:12:45,939 I don't know if I've ever played pickleball. 326 00:12:45,939 --> 00:12:47,984 Oh, my God, it's so fun. I love it. 327 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:49,899 I'm more of a tennis kind of girl, but. 328 00:12:49,899 --> 00:12:51,596 Where are you supposed to just be in this? 329 00:12:51,596 --> 00:12:53,294 It's the little court. The little court. 330 00:12:53,294 --> 00:12:54,425 The little court? 331 00:12:54,425 --> 00:12:55,992 - Yeah. - And then what, you just... 332 00:12:55,992 --> 00:12:57,602 You know what, there's a lot of rules, 333 00:12:57,602 --> 00:13:00,127 but I've only done it-- I only do it with a trainer. 334 00:13:01,650 --> 00:13:03,130 - Oh. - [laughing] 335 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:05,828 [groaning] 336 00:13:05,828 --> 00:13:07,699 Oh, I gotta run a lot. 337 00:13:08,048 --> 00:13:09,614 [shouting] 338 00:13:09,614 --> 00:13:11,399 I guess all the hours that Emily spends at the gym 339 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:15,098 doesn't quite translate into athleticism. 340 00:13:16,665 --> 00:13:19,450 - Let's go play pickleball. - Your eyelashes look good. 341 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:22,932 Okay, I couldn't even see in the mirror to do them. 342 00:13:22,932 --> 00:13:25,805 - Let me see. - Well, full disclosure... 343 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:27,284 I can't see. 344 00:13:27,284 --> 00:13:29,547 That is why I like hanging out with older people. 345 00:13:29,547 --> 00:13:30,940 Because we can't see. 346 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:33,290 I want to talk to you. 347 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:34,204 No. 348 00:13:34,204 --> 00:13:35,684 - Yes. - [bleep] off. 349 00:13:35,684 --> 00:13:37,381 I know, but I do. 350 00:13:37,381 --> 00:13:40,384 I just want to talk to you because I don't want anything-- 351 00:13:40,384 --> 00:13:42,560 I don't want us to have any problems ever. 352 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:44,867 And last night you were clearly upset with me. 353 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:47,000 - Yeah. - And I don't like it. 354 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,220 Well, I don't like things that I've heard. 355 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:53,397 Jen said to me that you were saying, 356 00:13:53,397 --> 00:13:55,225 Heather says, how high does she jump? 357 00:13:55,225 --> 00:13:57,358 - I didn't say that. - And I jump that high, right? 358 00:13:57,358 --> 00:13:59,012 But I said something to that extent. 359 00:13:59,012 --> 00:14:00,709 That's fine, but then you said that, 360 00:14:00,709 --> 00:14:02,319 and then that pissed me off, and I did, was reactionary. 361 00:14:02,319 --> 00:14:05,366 Well, how was I-- What was I supposed to think 362 00:14:05,366 --> 00:14:07,324 when one minute you're like, 363 00:14:07,324 --> 00:14:08,978 I love Katie. I love Katie. Katie's great. 364 00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:10,414 Everybody meet Katie. I love Katie. 365 00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:12,025 And then the minute you have a sit down 366 00:14:12,025 --> 00:14:13,896 with Heather Dubrow, 367 00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:15,593 right after that, you----ing hate Katie 368 00:14:15,593 --> 00:14:16,986 and she's dead to you. 369 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:18,901 This----ing girl that I thought was my friend 370 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:21,948 that I've known for 10 minutes now attacking my other friend 371 00:14:21,948 --> 00:14:23,514 that I've known for years. 372 00:14:23,514 --> 00:14:25,777 If that's the way it is, then----ing goodbye, Katie. 373 00:14:25,777 --> 00:14:29,085 Okay, I was not present when Gina and Heather 374 00:14:29,085 --> 00:14:31,958 had a conversation, but I can imagine it. 375 00:14:31,958 --> 00:14:33,960 Heather is the Godfather. 376 00:14:35,222 --> 00:14:36,876 And she has her rings out. 377 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:39,400 And everyone must kiss them when they enter the room. 378 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,317 And then Gina falls to her knees and lays on the sword. 379 00:14:43,317 --> 00:14:45,232 I raised my voice in your home. 380 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:46,842 I am really sorry. 381 00:14:46,842 --> 00:14:50,890 And then Heather still does not accept her apology. 382 00:14:51,586 --> 00:14:54,806 You let her manipulate you. You worry about what she thinks. 383 00:14:54,806 --> 00:14:56,765 - Listen to me. - You're so far up her ass. 384 00:14:56,765 --> 00:14:58,898 I do worry about what she thinks. No I'm not. 385 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:00,203 Yes, you are. 386 00:15:00,203 --> 00:15:01,683 You're up Tamra's ass, first of all. 387 00:15:01,683 --> 00:15:03,119 How? Tamra doesn't tell me what to do, ever. 388 00:15:03,119 --> 00:15:04,947 I just think, in all honesty, Emily, 389 00:15:04,947 --> 00:15:06,557 this is really just about, 390 00:15:06,557 --> 00:15:08,908 and I know you're working on it, right? 391 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:10,387 And I get that. 392 00:15:10,387 --> 00:15:14,391 I don't want to see you be the grand bitch. 393 00:15:14,391 --> 00:15:16,785 I'm not selling my watch. I love my watch. 394 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:18,526 You're so----ing stupid. 395 00:15:19,353 --> 00:15:21,485 You've been aggressive since the day you met me. 396 00:15:21,485 --> 00:15:23,226 I think that we need to work on that. 397 00:15:23,226 --> 00:15:25,228 - That's all I'm saying. - And I'm 48 years old. 398 00:15:25,228 --> 00:15:26,751 What do you want me to----ing do? 399 00:15:26,751 --> 00:15:28,275 You and Tamra do this thing where you're like, 400 00:15:28,275 --> 00:15:29,929 I'm an asshole, no, I'm a bigger asshole. 401 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:31,669 High five. Like, that's not cool. 402 00:15:31,669 --> 00:15:33,933 Okay, well Heather's like, "Get on your knees," 403 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:35,369 and you're like, "Okay, Heather." 404 00:15:35,369 --> 00:15:37,197 - That's not true, though. - It is true. 405 00:15:37,197 --> 00:15:39,547 Fine, that's fine. If you want to say I'm a pussy 406 00:15:39,547 --> 00:15:41,201 and I have a problem with Heather, that's fine. 407 00:15:41,201 --> 00:15:42,637 I don't think you're a pussy though. 408 00:15:42,637 --> 00:15:44,204 That's the difference. I don't think that. 409 00:15:44,204 --> 00:15:46,075 I think with her you act like that. 410 00:15:46,075 --> 00:15:48,077 Why are you getting so aggressive at me? 411 00:15:48,077 --> 00:15:49,949 I'm not being aggressive. I have a weapon. 412 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:51,820 I have not even used it. 413 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:54,257 I don't know. Everybody----ing hates me. 414 00:15:54,257 --> 00:15:55,606 That's fine. No, everybody [bleep]-- 415 00:15:55,606 --> 00:15:57,173 - I'm not saying that. - No, it's true. 416 00:15:57,173 --> 00:15:58,305 No, because you're mad at me. 417 00:15:58,305 --> 00:15:59,610 She's mad at me, she's mad at me. 418 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:01,438 She's mad at me, Travis is mad at me. 419 00:16:01,438 --> 00:16:02,874 Everybody's----ing mad at me. 420 00:16:02,874 --> 00:16:05,399 The----ing sprinklers are on. 421 00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:08,489 Like seriously, I'm over it. 422 00:16:15,713 --> 00:16:17,193 [upbeat instrumental] 423 00:16:17,193 --> 00:16:19,152 Everybody's----ing mad at me. 424 00:16:19,152 --> 00:16:21,241 The----ing sprinklers are on. 425 00:16:21,241 --> 00:16:23,547 Like seriously, I'm over it. 426 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:27,987 I can't even get in the house. 427 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,859 [bleep]. Too many ways in and out. 428 00:16:30,859 --> 00:16:33,296 Ooh! Ah! 429 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:35,168 Are you coming back? 430 00:16:35,168 --> 00:16:37,518 I can't-- I have to. 431 00:16:38,171 --> 00:16:39,781 - Wait, why-- - I can't get in! 432 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,523 - Listen. - And I'm wet. 433 00:16:42,523 --> 00:16:44,307 - I don't want to go. - No, listen, listen. 434 00:16:44,307 --> 00:16:46,527 - I don't want to deal with it. - Okay. Calm down. 435 00:16:46,527 --> 00:16:48,877 - I'm going to hug you. - [sighs] 436 00:16:48,877 --> 00:16:51,967 It hurts my feelings to hear that you say things like that. 437 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:53,969 I'm----ing sorry. 438 00:16:53,969 --> 00:16:57,190 Or that you think less of me. 439 00:16:57,190 --> 00:16:59,366 I don't think less of you, Emily. 440 00:16:59,366 --> 00:17:01,107 I think the most of you. 441 00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:03,239 Shannon, come here. 442 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:06,112 [indistinct arguing] 443 00:17:06,112 --> 00:17:07,635 - What? What's going on? - I don't know. 444 00:17:07,635 --> 00:17:09,376 I don't want to go out there, though. 445 00:17:09,376 --> 00:17:11,378 You want me to come to you and talk to you, 446 00:17:11,378 --> 00:17:12,553 and now look at what's happening. 447 00:17:12,553 --> 00:17:14,076 This is what I'm talking about. 448 00:17:14,076 --> 00:17:16,122 I just feel like I can't even approach you, you know? 449 00:17:16,122 --> 00:17:17,601 You can always approach me. 450 00:17:17,601 --> 00:17:19,560 I don't want to feel like I'm tiptoeing around you. 451 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,344 I don't want to feel like I'm walking on eggshells around you 452 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:22,867 because I don't-- I can't-- 453 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:25,740 Because I just need you in my life right now. 454 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:28,569 I know you're going through a lot, and I'm sorry about that. 455 00:17:28,569 --> 00:17:30,571 And I ask you all the time. 456 00:17:30,571 --> 00:17:32,747 And everybody's - ing fighting. 457 00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:35,228 Who always asks you about you and Travis? 458 00:17:35,228 --> 00:17:36,403 I know. 459 00:17:36,403 --> 00:17:38,231 - I know you do. - Because I care. 460 00:17:38,231 --> 00:17:40,755 My relationship is so fragile right now. 461 00:17:40,755 --> 00:17:42,539 It's hard with the stuff with Trav. 462 00:17:42,539 --> 00:17:44,672 Because he's basically breaking up with me. 463 00:17:44,672 --> 00:17:47,066 I was like, let's just let it settle. 464 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:50,547 You could break up with me in three months from now. 465 00:17:50,982 --> 00:17:53,637 And it makes me fearful that 466 00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:55,596 the same thing could happen to me and Emily. 467 00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:57,424 Like, there's only so much I can take. 468 00:17:57,424 --> 00:17:58,773 Girl, we're fine. 469 00:17:58,773 --> 00:18:00,209 I think that we just needed to do that. 470 00:18:00,209 --> 00:18:01,819 Things had built up. 471 00:18:01,819 --> 00:18:03,430 On the friendship totem pole, you're at the top. 472 00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:05,214 I see what happens between 473 00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:07,129 Shannon and Tamra and I just get-- 474 00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:08,478 That's not us. 475 00:18:08,478 --> 00:18:10,567 Those are two dysfunctional nutjobs. 476 00:18:10,567 --> 00:18:12,221 - They're so----ed up. - They are. 477 00:18:12,656 --> 00:18:14,528 - We're not like that. - No. 478 00:18:14,528 --> 00:18:16,791 We're totally normal. 479 00:18:16,791 --> 00:18:18,793 ♪ 480 00:18:18,793 --> 00:18:20,447 - I got you a Diet Coke. - [gasps] 481 00:18:20,447 --> 00:18:21,883 You did? Language of love. 482 00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:23,841 - I know, right? - Oh, I love it. You ready? 483 00:18:23,841 --> 00:18:25,495 I'm ready. I just have to go through 484 00:18:25,495 --> 00:18:27,845 and make one final sweep after everybody packs up. 485 00:18:27,845 --> 00:18:29,412 Are you almost packed? 486 00:18:29,412 --> 00:18:30,979 I, yeah, pretty much am. Oh my god, did you even make-- 487 00:18:30,979 --> 00:18:32,894 Did you do this or did Tamra come do this? 488 00:18:32,894 --> 00:18:34,635 - I did it. - Okay, well, I'm gonna 489 00:18:34,635 --> 00:18:36,767 - ruin it and lay on it. - Okay, lay on it. 490 00:18:36,767 --> 00:18:38,247 Can I have a chit-chat real quick? 491 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:39,553 - Yes. - I'm a little bit stressed 492 00:18:39,553 --> 00:18:40,815 about the Heather thing because 493 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:42,469 - she's my dear friend. - Yeah. 494 00:18:42,469 --> 00:18:43,644 I know she's hard-headed. 495 00:18:43,644 --> 00:18:46,212 I really, really like you. 496 00:18:46,212 --> 00:18:49,084 I don't think laughing was the right... 497 00:18:49,084 --> 00:18:50,738 I know. I couldn't help it. 498 00:18:50,738 --> 00:18:52,740 She doesn't have the sense of humor that you and I have. 499 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:53,958 I know. 500 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:55,351 So now what? This has been a lovely day. 501 00:18:55,351 --> 00:18:57,048 - [laughing] - Enjoy the Dom. 502 00:18:57,788 --> 00:19:01,314 She takes things way too serious sometimes. 503 00:19:01,314 --> 00:19:02,880 If Heather and I can move forward 504 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,534 and she can get past all of this, 505 00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:07,581 because I'm the freaking innocent one, 506 00:19:07,581 --> 00:19:08,886 then we'll do that. 507 00:19:08,886 --> 00:19:10,497 I totally will apologize for laughing. 508 00:19:10,497 --> 00:19:12,194 Mean it in your eyes, though. 509 00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:13,326 She'll be able to read you. 510 00:19:13,326 --> 00:19:14,849 Yeah. Well, I do mean it. 511 00:19:14,849 --> 00:19:16,329 I don't want to have this angst with Heather 512 00:19:16,329 --> 00:19:17,808 when we're in the same friend group. 513 00:19:17,808 --> 00:19:19,027 Kumbaya's been the whole thing of our trip. 514 00:19:19,027 --> 00:19:20,289 I know. 515 00:19:20,289 --> 00:19:21,595 Maybe Tamra and I can have a kumbaya 516 00:19:21,595 --> 00:19:24,250 and bring everybody back together. 517 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:26,513 - Did you have fun? - Mm... 518 00:19:26,513 --> 00:19:27,688 I'm so happy. 519 00:19:27,688 --> 00:19:30,560 - Oh, good. - I am so happy 520 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,083 where you and I are. 521 00:19:32,083 --> 00:19:34,912 I want us to always shoot each other straight, 522 00:19:34,912 --> 00:19:36,958 and I want you to know, because I love you, 523 00:19:36,958 --> 00:19:39,221 I see what you're doing with Shannon. 524 00:19:39,221 --> 00:19:40,353 What do you mean? 525 00:19:40,353 --> 00:19:42,572 When you attack, you... 526 00:19:42,572 --> 00:19:44,748 But I don't feel like I've attacked her. 527 00:19:44,748 --> 00:19:47,838 She needs to be in a rehab program. 528 00:19:47,838 --> 00:19:50,189 Yes, she does. She's a----ing alcoholic. 529 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,886 I want to help her. 530 00:19:51,886 --> 00:19:53,931 I don't know how to help her, so I'm just frustrated with her. 531 00:19:53,931 --> 00:19:56,673 If this is family and this is someone you love, 532 00:19:56,673 --> 00:20:01,069 then maybe you owe her that hard conversation lovingly. 533 00:20:01,069 --> 00:20:02,375 Yeah, I would love that, 534 00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,246 but I don't have high expectations 535 00:20:04,246 --> 00:20:06,814 and I'm protecting myself right now. 536 00:20:06,814 --> 00:20:08,859 I know she's not where you think she needs to be, 537 00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:12,820 but I do think that she is doing better than she was, Tamra. 538 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:14,343 And that's all I can hope for. 539 00:20:14,343 --> 00:20:16,345 - That's fair. - Let's hit the road now. 540 00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:19,348 I love you. 541 00:20:19,957 --> 00:20:22,003 - What's going on? - What the [bleep]? 542 00:20:22,003 --> 00:20:23,265 Nothing. 543 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:24,788 - You okay? - Yeah, we're fine. 544 00:20:24,788 --> 00:20:27,095 We're fine. I think that we just needed to do that. 545 00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:29,924 Things have built up and sometimes you need to... 546 00:20:29,924 --> 00:20:32,143 - Okay. - I don't understand Gina. 547 00:20:32,143 --> 00:20:34,058 She's coming after me. 548 00:20:34,058 --> 00:20:35,669 She's fighting with Emily. 549 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:37,584 - What, push each other? - No. 550 00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:39,194 No, we did-- We had rackets. 551 00:20:39,194 --> 00:20:41,631 If I was going to get aggressive, I would've... 552 00:20:41,631 --> 00:20:44,286 I would've beat her with a pickleball racket already. 553 00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:45,592 I don't know this Gina. 554 00:20:45,592 --> 00:20:47,289 This isn't a person that I recognize. 555 00:20:47,289 --> 00:20:48,856 She has changed. 556 00:20:48,856 --> 00:20:52,076 Maybe things at home are worse than she's letting on. 557 00:20:52,860 --> 00:20:53,774 Oh! 558 00:20:53,774 --> 00:20:56,385 - See that? - [laughing] 559 00:20:56,385 --> 00:20:58,779 I wasn't prepared! 560 00:20:58,779 --> 00:21:01,477 - You were prepared! - Yeah, I know! 561 00:21:01,477 --> 00:21:03,131 Come on, let's go inside. They can play. 562 00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:04,306 Where are you going? 563 00:21:04,306 --> 00:21:06,308 - Are you coming back? - Yes. 564 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:07,527 We'll be right back. 565 00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:08,658 I don't believe you. 566 00:21:08,658 --> 00:21:10,312 We'll be right back. 567 00:21:10,312 --> 00:21:12,009 I'm not going back. 568 00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:16,797 That's too far to run. 569 00:21:16,797 --> 00:21:17,972 Yeah. Okay. 570 00:21:21,236 --> 00:21:22,759 [phone ringing] 571 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:24,413 Hey babe. 572 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:27,155 We're literally loading up the car right now and headed out, 573 00:21:27,155 --> 00:21:30,593 so I'll be back home in OC in like about two hours. 574 00:21:30,593 --> 00:21:31,725 - Okay. - John? 575 00:21:31,725 --> 00:21:33,161 Yes, thank you so much. 576 00:21:33,161 --> 00:21:34,989 Katie's here to help. Johnny's on the phone. 577 00:21:34,989 --> 00:21:36,077 Hi. 578 00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:42,823 It has to do with what I think it has to do with? 579 00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:47,001 I am literally going to lose it right now. 580 00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:48,350 Gloves are off. 581 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:50,352 Sh--. 582 00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:51,788 Sh-- 583 00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:58,665 Let's just get in the car. 584 00:21:58,665 --> 00:22:01,276 Let's get the hell out of Dodge. 585 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:04,671 Can we start staying places where there's people 586 00:22:04,671 --> 00:22:07,369 to take our sh-- in and out of rooms? 587 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:11,068 Did you ever find your-- Oh! 588 00:22:11,068 --> 00:22:12,287 What? 589 00:22:12,287 --> 00:22:14,071 Get out of the house. Get out. 590 00:22:14,071 --> 00:22:15,421 It's water. 591 00:22:15,421 --> 00:22:16,987 - Get out of the house. - It's water. 592 00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:19,207 - Get out of the house. - Get out of the house. 593 00:22:19,207 --> 00:22:20,556 Get out of the house. 594 00:22:21,775 --> 00:22:26,693 What Shannon is doing now is being so like, 595 00:22:26,693 --> 00:22:28,956 I'm going to freaking lose it. 596 00:22:28,956 --> 00:22:31,088 - I want to-- - Is it this legal stuff? 597 00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:32,960 He could only tell me a minute of it, 598 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,962 and I could hear it in Johnny's voice. 599 00:22:34,962 --> 00:22:39,140 It came to the point where John has had enough. 600 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:41,098 I think she gets so blacked out drunk, 601 00:22:41,098 --> 00:22:43,927 she doesn't even remember what she's done or said. 602 00:22:47,888 --> 00:22:51,979 I'm not at liberty to discuss what happened 603 00:22:51,979 --> 00:22:56,200 that pushed John to the limit. 604 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,769 That is a question everyone would have to ask him. 605 00:22:59,769 --> 00:23:01,902 But we have the footage. 606 00:23:01,902 --> 00:23:04,339 We have the----ing footage, okay? 607 00:23:04,339 --> 00:23:06,733 And like, we've held it this whole time. We've held it. 608 00:23:06,733 --> 00:23:08,082 I know. I know. 609 00:23:08,082 --> 00:23:09,605 There's a lot that I know 610 00:23:09,605 --> 00:23:13,304 that Shannon probably wouldn't want anyone else to know. 611 00:23:13,304 --> 00:23:15,132 Katie, it'll ruin her life. 612 00:23:15,655 --> 00:23:18,440 What video thing? What video thing? 613 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,224 Is this bad? 614 00:23:20,224 --> 00:23:24,098 She's lied and all I know is truth prevails. 615 00:23:24,098 --> 00:23:25,447 He's a monster. 616 00:23:26,274 --> 00:23:28,407 She's such a piece of sh--. 617 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,452 I think I'm going to throw up. 618 00:23:35,283 --> 00:23:38,678 ♪ 619 00:23:38,678 --> 00:23:41,202 - So, how was Big Bear? - It was fun. 620 00:23:41,202 --> 00:23:42,595 Who did this? 621 00:23:42,595 --> 00:23:45,989 - Oh, another poo. - No. Who did it? 622 00:23:45,989 --> 00:23:48,688 Oh, why did I sign up for this? 623 00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,124 That's disgusting. 624 00:23:50,124 --> 00:23:52,256 That's our deal. I don't deal with the poop. 625 00:23:52,256 --> 00:23:53,388 I totally forgot. 626 00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:54,520 Did you step in it? 627 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,651 - Yep. - No way. 628 00:23:55,651 --> 00:23:57,392 Yep, I stepped on it. 629 00:23:57,392 --> 00:23:59,873 Oh, mother of God. 630 00:24:07,358 --> 00:24:09,317 I don't know where I thought I was-- 631 00:24:09,317 --> 00:24:11,275 How many bikinis I needed for this trip. 632 00:24:12,276 --> 00:24:13,713 [doorbell rings] 633 00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:15,410 - Hi. - Hi. 634 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:16,716 It's so cold out there. 635 00:24:16,716 --> 00:24:18,282 I know. I know. 636 00:24:18,282 --> 00:24:20,023 What the hell's going on? You're having construction? 637 00:24:20,023 --> 00:24:21,329 Yeah. 638 00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:23,113 I feel like I haven't seen you in forever. 639 00:24:23,113 --> 00:24:24,985 No, I haven't been in your house for so long. 640 00:24:24,985 --> 00:24:26,247 So what are you doing? 641 00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:27,640 Well, I'll show you. You want to see? 642 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,902 - Yeah. - All right. 643 00:24:28,902 --> 00:24:30,425 - I'll show you. - I love this sh--. 644 00:24:30,425 --> 00:24:31,992 It looks like it might need a little painting. 645 00:24:31,992 --> 00:24:33,472 It needs a little paint, Tamra. 646 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,212 And the kids think it's fun to paint on-- 647 00:24:35,212 --> 00:24:36,953 To draw on the walls because they're getting painted. 648 00:24:36,953 --> 00:24:38,085 Oh, so you're doing built-in bunkbeds. 649 00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:39,652 - Yes. - Prior to this, 650 00:24:39,652 --> 00:24:40,914 you had three beds in here? 651 00:24:40,914 --> 00:24:42,437 Yeah, a bunk bed, 652 00:24:42,437 --> 00:24:43,743 and then Sienna had another popcorn bed here. 653 00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:45,962 When Travis moved out, 654 00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:47,442 I chose to do the construction 655 00:24:47,442 --> 00:24:50,967 because I was just focused on fresh start. 656 00:24:50,967 --> 00:24:52,534 So, what's the room situation now? 657 00:24:52,534 --> 00:24:55,798 Now that-- So now, Nick really wanted his own room. 658 00:24:55,798 --> 00:24:57,539 - Yeah, he's older. - And Sienna didn't. 659 00:24:57,539 --> 00:24:59,454 But for Travis, 660 00:24:59,454 --> 00:25:05,808 it feels like I am erasing everything that once was. 661 00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:07,418 Wait, where are they sleeping right now? 662 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:10,552 They're literally all three of them in my bedroom. 663 00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:12,336 This is the sh-- that I didn't think about. 664 00:25:12,336 --> 00:25:14,948 But I can't even fit in there, so now I'm on the couch. 665 00:25:14,948 --> 00:25:17,341 ♪ G-G-G-Go 666 00:25:17,777 --> 00:25:20,562 ♪ Go ♪ Never ever let me go 667 00:25:20,562 --> 00:25:21,694 ♪ G-G-G-Go 668 00:25:21,694 --> 00:25:23,217 Oh, you want to go this way? 669 00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:25,872 Mine, mine, mine, mine, mine. 670 00:25:25,872 --> 00:25:27,047 This is Luke. 671 00:25:27,047 --> 00:25:28,614 - Can you say hi? - Hi. 672 00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:30,703 - How old are you? - I'm nine. 673 00:25:30,703 --> 00:25:32,574 - There's another one somewhere. - I'm six. 674 00:25:32,574 --> 00:25:33,662 Seriously. 675 00:25:33,662 --> 00:25:35,969 I am really excited 676 00:25:35,969 --> 00:25:38,493 that Bandon gets to meet Emily's boys. 677 00:25:38,493 --> 00:25:40,321 Do you want this or not, sir? 678 00:25:40,321 --> 00:25:41,714 That's a long snake. 679 00:25:41,714 --> 00:25:43,542 I love moving to Orange County 680 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:45,979 because I feel like the people are much nicer. 681 00:25:45,979 --> 00:25:47,676 They're more open. 682 00:25:47,676 --> 00:25:48,808 We have better restaurants. 683 00:25:48,808 --> 00:25:50,461 So satisfying. 684 00:25:50,461 --> 00:25:52,725 It's not LA. It's not San Diego. 685 00:25:52,725 --> 00:25:53,987 It's like a perfect, happy medium. 686 00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:55,336 I don't want to leave. 687 00:25:55,336 --> 00:25:57,381 I want to, like, just live here forever. 688 00:25:57,773 --> 00:25:59,166 So, how was your trip? 689 00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:00,341 So good. 690 00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:01,734 My stomach was hurting from laughing. 691 00:26:01,734 --> 00:26:02,996 I mean, we had so much fun. 692 00:26:02,996 --> 00:26:05,694 ♪ Kumbaya, my lord 693 00:26:05,694 --> 00:26:07,566 ♪ Kumbaya 694 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,306 - That's awesome. Good. - Yes. How was yours? 695 00:26:09,306 --> 00:26:11,265 It was good. We had a lot of fun, too. 696 00:26:11,265 --> 00:26:13,528 But then there was like, some dramatic moments. 697 00:26:13,528 --> 00:26:14,660 Tell me what happened. 698 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,096 Well, first, Gina and Heather 699 00:26:16,096 --> 00:26:18,315 had not really resolved things. 700 00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:21,623 - Oh, okay. - So, they ended up talking. 701 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:23,538 - Right. - Gina apologized a lot. 702 00:26:23,538 --> 00:26:25,192 But then, I also think Gina 703 00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:27,020 finally got to the point of irritation where she was like, 704 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:29,196 - what else do you want from me? - Get over it. 705 00:26:29,196 --> 00:26:30,676 I am starting to figure out, like, 706 00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:32,591 I thought Gina was like a girl's girl for me. 707 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:33,983 And now I'm like, well, 708 00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:35,419 I think she's a girl's girl for Heather. 709 00:26:35,419 --> 00:26:38,292 Yeah. I'm not going to trust that anymore. 710 00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:40,033 So, how was Big Bear? 711 00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:41,469 Alexis is a lot, man. 712 00:26:41,469 --> 00:26:44,603 Like, shut the [bleep] up. Man, shut up. 713 00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:47,170 I didn't even know what you are could exist. 714 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:49,042 I'm on my period a lot, then I'm off, 715 00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:50,565 and I don't have a period for too much. 716 00:26:50,565 --> 00:26:52,480 A lot of lies that have been spoken about John 717 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,700 that are not true, and they're going to be cleared up. 718 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:56,919 Ah! Jesus, take the wheel! 719 00:26:56,919 --> 00:26:58,834 Alexis is very Shannon-focused 720 00:26:58,834 --> 00:27:00,314 when she's in the room with Shannon. 721 00:27:00,314 --> 00:27:02,185 - She's very defensive. - Is she still like that 722 00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:03,273 when Shannon isn't there? 723 00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:04,971 For the most part, she was not. 724 00:27:04,971 --> 00:27:07,756 I know this is a very sensitive topic for you. 725 00:27:07,756 --> 00:27:10,019 - Yeah. - But when we went away 726 00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:11,760 to LA Quinta, Shannon, she was able 727 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,850 to be vulnerable there because we put our walls down 728 00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:16,852 and we're not, like, angry at her. 729 00:27:16,852 --> 00:27:18,549 - She drank. - She did. 730 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:20,508 Because she likes to drink. 731 00:27:20,508 --> 00:27:22,423 - I know. - And she's just like, for me, 732 00:27:22,423 --> 00:27:24,860 even for you, you didn't have a drinking problem. 733 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:26,732 You were not an alcoholic, as far as I know. 734 00:27:26,732 --> 00:27:28,168 No, I had a drinking problem. 735 00:27:28,168 --> 00:27:29,735 - Oh, you did? - I had a drinking problem. 736 00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:32,476 And then it got more control of me than I did of it. 737 00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:33,913 But I'm not an alcoholic. 738 00:27:33,913 --> 00:27:35,828 I did not stop drinking after I got my DUI 739 00:27:35,828 --> 00:27:37,438 because I felt like a loser. 740 00:27:37,438 --> 00:27:40,484 I was ready to take responsibility for the mistake 741 00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:42,486 that I made, but I wasn't ready to admit 742 00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:44,488 that I had a problem with alcohol. 743 00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:45,881 Here's the thing. 744 00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:47,666 There's people that have severe drinking problems 745 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,580 and people that just act like assholes. 746 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:53,454 It was only, like, later on I started to become aware of it. 747 00:27:53,454 --> 00:27:56,457 But you can't force somebody into that. 748 00:27:56,457 --> 00:27:58,285 They have to get there themselves. 749 00:27:58,285 --> 00:28:01,288 It's the manipulation. It's the lying. 750 00:28:01,288 --> 00:28:04,552 But that's a woman, a broken woman in pain. 751 00:28:04,552 --> 00:28:07,207 She really needs, like, her real friends, and, like, 752 00:28:07,207 --> 00:28:08,948 you're her best----ing friend. 753 00:28:08,948 --> 00:28:10,514 I want to have a conversation with her, 754 00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:14,214 but I feel like tough love is the best thing for her 755 00:28:14,214 --> 00:28:17,739 because now she feels like, "Okay, I got Gina on my side. 756 00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:19,306 "Oh, I got Heather on my side." 757 00:28:19,306 --> 00:28:21,874 And then she's going to go right back to her ways. 758 00:28:21,874 --> 00:28:24,659 So Alexis the whole time was like, "If she doesn't shut up, 759 00:28:24,659 --> 00:28:26,748 "you know, we're going to release some things." 760 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:28,489 I'm like, "Well, what do you have to release?" 761 00:28:28,489 --> 00:28:30,143 - Right. - Well, John ended up 762 00:28:30,143 --> 00:28:31,492 calling her right before we left, 763 00:28:31,492 --> 00:28:34,147 and apparently Shannon did something, 764 00:28:34,147 --> 00:28:36,149 and he said all gloves are off, 765 00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:38,064 and they're going to release these videos of Shannon. 766 00:28:38,064 --> 00:28:40,370 Wait, what is it that Shannon did? 767 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:42,851 There's, like, Ring footage cameras of her 768 00:28:42,851 --> 00:28:44,984 almost running over his daughter. 769 00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:47,116 Oh, my god. Are you serious? 770 00:28:47,116 --> 00:28:50,337 She kept saying, if we release this, she's done. 771 00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:52,252 Her reputation is completely done. 772 00:28:52,252 --> 00:28:54,167 I just don't understand it. 773 00:28:54,167 --> 00:28:56,256 If John and Alexis are so happy together, 774 00:28:56,256 --> 00:28:58,345 just ride off into the sunset. 775 00:28:58,345 --> 00:29:02,871 Like, why drag Shannon's lifeless body along behind you? 776 00:29:02,871 --> 00:29:06,875 I'm afraid it's gonna push her to the point of no return. 777 00:29:07,571 --> 00:29:08,659 Coming up... 778 00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:11,880 I've seen you in compromising situations. 779 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,404 Have I drove my car into a house? 780 00:29:17,712 --> 00:29:20,106 ♪ 781 00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:24,327 Ready? 782 00:29:24,327 --> 00:29:26,112 Of course, I'm ready. Anywhere with you. 783 00:29:26,112 --> 00:29:27,940 I know. I love that you do this with me. 784 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:29,463 Hi, welcome to Glo Nail Bar. 785 00:29:29,463 --> 00:29:32,422 We have a reservation for the two of us under Ryan. 786 00:29:32,422 --> 00:29:34,120 - Okay, perfect. - Please. 787 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,686 Awesome, I can take you guys this way. 788 00:29:35,686 --> 00:29:36,949 Thanks so much. 789 00:29:36,949 --> 00:29:39,125 Ryan definitely enjoys a spa day. 790 00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:41,127 He will do pedis with me. 791 00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:42,955 But you know what? I've never had that. 792 00:29:42,955 --> 00:29:46,132 Like, my marriage for 23 years was opposite that. 793 00:29:46,132 --> 00:29:48,830 Like, trying to get Will to spend time with me 794 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:50,049 was really hard. 795 00:29:50,049 --> 00:29:51,267 Would you like anything to drink? 796 00:29:51,267 --> 00:29:52,834 - A Diet Coke. - Okay. 797 00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,488 I'm going to do a Diet Coke as well. 798 00:29:54,488 --> 00:29:55,968 - Okay. - So, now I have 799 00:29:55,968 --> 00:29:57,360 this relationship with Ryan. 800 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,667 He is truly my best friend. He loves it. 801 00:29:59,667 --> 00:30:01,582 Smells good. His toes look good. 802 00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:03,323 His fingernails, he's shaven. 803 00:30:03,323 --> 00:30:06,500 It just kind of goes with who Ryan is. 804 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,459 I'll have a double shot of Malibu rum with this. 805 00:30:09,459 --> 00:30:11,461 - He's actually dead serious. - Oh, that's okay. 806 00:30:11,461 --> 00:30:12,898 - Cheers, baby. - Cheers, honey. 807 00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:14,377 How cute are these? 808 00:30:15,988 --> 00:30:18,164 My, how our dates changed. 809 00:30:18,164 --> 00:30:19,556 I feel like I'm all over the place. 810 00:30:19,556 --> 00:30:21,036 So much happened in 24 hours. 811 00:30:21,036 --> 00:30:23,169 - Yes. - The night in Big Bear. 812 00:30:23,169 --> 00:30:24,561 Went out to a bar. 813 00:30:24,561 --> 00:30:26,476 - My friend, Jen. - Yes. 814 00:30:26,476 --> 00:30:28,522 Is going to go on OnlyFans 815 00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:30,567 and show her boobies and her butthole. 816 00:30:30,567 --> 00:30:32,221 - Would you subscribe? - I don't subscribe, 817 00:30:32,221 --> 00:30:33,832 but you'll make some money. 818 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:36,399 They start in on this OnlyFans conversation at me. 819 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:37,879 Wait, start on what conversation? 820 00:30:37,879 --> 00:30:39,402 That I should do OnlyFans. 821 00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:41,013 This is not happening. I love you. 822 00:30:41,013 --> 00:30:42,405 Are you going to put your foot down? 823 00:30:42,405 --> 00:30:44,059 - A million percent. - Okay. 824 00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:47,410 I mean, my feet subscription is making a killing, but... 825 00:30:48,107 --> 00:30:49,804 Sorry. 826 00:30:49,804 --> 00:30:52,589 I should probably check and see if he has one. 827 00:30:52,589 --> 00:30:54,287 I want to paint each of my big toes. 828 00:30:54,287 --> 00:30:55,723 - Yeah, thank you. - He's actually serious. 829 00:30:55,723 --> 00:30:57,203 - Okay. - I am 100% serious. 830 00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:58,291 I know you are, honey. 831 00:30:58,291 --> 00:30:59,640 Everybody else is concerned 832 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,207 about how Ryan makes his money, so... 833 00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:03,383 I mean, how does he make his money, right? 834 00:31:04,471 --> 00:31:05,907 Those are some of the best moments, 835 00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:07,343 when the group was together and cocktailed 836 00:31:07,343 --> 00:31:08,562 and just the fun that comes with it. 837 00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:10,085 - It was. - You guys needed that. 838 00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:11,347 We did need that. 839 00:31:11,347 --> 00:31:13,567 Tamra pulled up Will's Instagram. 840 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:14,698 - Oh, no. - [phone ringing] 841 00:31:14,698 --> 00:31:15,917 I don't like seeing that stuff, 842 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:17,092 I'll be honest. 843 00:31:17,092 --> 00:31:18,833 Hold on. Hi, sweetheart. 844 00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:22,228 Honey, wait. 845 00:31:22,228 --> 00:31:24,099 You can't toilet paper in the daylight. 846 00:31:25,187 --> 00:31:26,493 No way. 847 00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:27,668 Hold on. 848 00:31:30,497 --> 00:31:32,716 I cannot give you an answer about the TP. 849 00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:35,197 Okay, I love you. 850 00:31:35,197 --> 00:31:38,200 You know you don't always have to say yes to all five kids 851 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,941 on everything they ask for. 852 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:42,465 You will say to the kids, what do you guys want for breakfast? 853 00:31:42,465 --> 00:31:44,946 And they all five say something different, and you do it. 854 00:31:44,946 --> 00:31:48,210 I know, Ryan. I've said this to you a hundred times. 855 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:49,908 I was always just home with them. 856 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:51,648 I love you. You are Mother Teresa, 857 00:31:51,648 --> 00:31:53,824 but I think you could make it a little bit easier 858 00:31:53,824 --> 00:31:55,565 - on yourself. - I'm working on that. 859 00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:57,437 The way I am with my kids, 860 00:31:57,437 --> 00:31:58,612 I coddle too much. 861 00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:00,875 And going through my divorce, 862 00:32:00,875 --> 00:32:04,096 it just got worse because I have so much guilt 863 00:32:04,096 --> 00:32:05,967 for changing their lives. 864 00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:08,665 But now I look at it like I taught them nothing. 865 00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:10,232 The moment we moved into Ryan's, 866 00:32:10,232 --> 00:32:12,191 it's like all of a sudden, I have a curfew. 867 00:32:12,191 --> 00:32:14,497 Be home at like 9:30. 868 00:32:14,497 --> 00:32:15,803 We do need some stuff in place. 869 00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,674 Make your bed, pick up your trash. 870 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:19,459 One day you're going to be a married man, 871 00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:21,461 and your wife is going to be like, "What the hell?" 872 00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:23,942 Did your mom wipe your ass for you until you were 40? 873 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,596 - And I do that. - I will be fine by then. 874 00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:29,556 I do think I need to draw a line with Dawson, 875 00:32:29,556 --> 00:32:32,341 but it's really hard to start doing that at 17, 876 00:32:32,341 --> 00:32:34,517 so I am just going to try to love him through it. 877 00:32:34,517 --> 00:32:36,041 That's all I can do. 878 00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:37,303 My toes look good. 879 00:32:37,303 --> 00:32:38,869 What'd you do? 880 00:32:38,869 --> 00:32:40,784 We got a little something something over here, babe. 881 00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:43,222 Wait, you have a bedazzled heart? 882 00:32:43,222 --> 00:32:44,832 I have a bedazzled heart. 883 00:32:44,832 --> 00:32:46,573 I think it looks amazing. Thank you. 884 00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:48,705 - Yeah, thank you. - Thank you. 885 00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:50,316 You are special. 886 00:32:51,447 --> 00:32:54,233 ♪ 887 00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:09,030 [phone ringing] 888 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:10,423 Hi. 889 00:33:10,423 --> 00:33:12,512 Hi, whatcha doing? 890 00:33:12,512 --> 00:33:17,212 I'm just hanging out in my living room. 891 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,042 Oh, my God. 892 00:33:21,042 --> 00:33:23,349 - I am headed-- - What are you doing? 893 00:33:23,349 --> 00:33:26,395 Well, I took your advice, and I'm headed to go meet Shannon. 894 00:33:27,353 --> 00:33:29,311 - You are? - Yes. 895 00:33:29,311 --> 00:33:30,530 This is your-- 896 00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:32,053 - Okay. - This is your doing, 897 00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:33,707 just so you know. 898 00:33:33,707 --> 00:33:35,796 All the girls are telling me that Shannon is doing better, 899 00:33:35,796 --> 00:33:38,581 she's getting help, and that's all I've ever wanted for her. 900 00:33:38,581 --> 00:33:40,931 And if that's truly what's going on with her, 901 00:33:40,931 --> 00:33:42,542 I would like to sit down with her. 902 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,500 I would like to talk to her. 903 00:33:46,111 --> 00:33:51,072 Well, I mean, I still have a little animosity 904 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:54,249 because she should be reaching out to me. 905 00:33:55,598 --> 00:33:57,078 [phone ringing] 906 00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:58,601 - Hello. - Hi. 907 00:33:59,428 --> 00:34:02,214 I'm on the way to meet Tamra. 908 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:04,781 Yeah. 909 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:06,740 Aw, thank you. 910 00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:09,743 Having tension with Tamra and Shannon is a disaster. 911 00:34:09,743 --> 00:34:13,007 It's difficult in our group to be friends with everyone 912 00:34:13,007 --> 00:34:15,096 and figure out how to support each other. 913 00:34:15,096 --> 00:34:16,750 And it's exhausting because I feel like 914 00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:18,099 we've done this before. 915 00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:20,232 How many times do we have to do this? 916 00:34:20,232 --> 00:34:22,712 You know, I'm gonna go in. I'm not gonna yell. 917 00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:27,282 I'm gonna lead with my butthole. What am I leading with? 918 00:34:27,282 --> 00:34:29,589 My heart. My heart, that's it. 919 00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:31,591 I hate it when you lead with your butthole. 920 00:34:31,591 --> 00:34:33,114 Heart. Not asshole. 921 00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:34,594 Heart, heart. Okay. 922 00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:36,378 I won't lead with my asshole this time. 923 00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:45,953 Thank you. I'll see you in a little bit. 924 00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:49,783 Ma'am, get you going here. 925 00:34:49,783 --> 00:34:52,916 - Here. For you. - Thank you so much. 926 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:02,665 - Hey. - Hey. 927 00:35:03,492 --> 00:35:05,407 Would you like to start with any water? 928 00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:06,800 Any still or sparkling? 929 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,367 Just like a Pellegrino. 930 00:35:08,367 --> 00:35:09,759 - Pellegrino. - Or any sparkling. 931 00:35:09,759 --> 00:35:11,631 You got it. I'll be right back, okay? 932 00:35:11,631 --> 00:35:13,502 - Hi. - Thank you. Hey. 933 00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:15,200 - Hey, how are you? - You look great. 934 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,505 Thank you. So do you. 935 00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:21,206 Um, I know this is probably difficult for you, 936 00:35:21,684 --> 00:35:24,470 and I just want to, like, just start off, 937 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:26,036 like, just get it out there. 938 00:35:26,036 --> 00:35:27,995 I was really, really hoping that you'd be the one 939 00:35:27,995 --> 00:35:30,911 to reach out to me, to meet me. 940 00:35:30,911 --> 00:35:32,217 Oh, okay. 941 00:35:32,217 --> 00:35:34,784 After the way you spoke to me at the dinner? 942 00:35:34,784 --> 00:35:37,831 I've had two conversations with you on the telephone. 943 00:35:37,831 --> 00:35:39,398 And you were drunk every time! 944 00:35:39,398 --> 00:35:42,531 You've been doing nothing but defaming me. 945 00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:43,924 Defaming you? I don't say things 946 00:35:43,924 --> 00:35:45,621 - that are not true. - Oh, you did. 947 00:35:45,621 --> 00:35:47,014 - No, I didn't. - You did, actually. 948 00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:48,972 - No, I didn't. - You give people a-- 949 00:35:48,972 --> 00:35:50,322 I didn't. 950 00:35:50,322 --> 00:35:52,193 Okay, and so should I tell you to calm down now? 951 00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:53,586 No, I'm just mimicking you, 952 00:35:53,586 --> 00:35:55,109 so just so you know what you look like. 953 00:35:55,762 --> 00:35:58,068 I'm here to try to make things better. 954 00:35:58,068 --> 00:36:01,071 Tamra, you have been defaming me for eight weeks. 955 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:02,508 Defaming you how? 956 00:36:02,508 --> 00:36:04,684 You keep saying you're drunk, 957 00:36:04,684 --> 00:36:06,338 you need to be sober. 958 00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:07,948 You know nothing about me. 959 00:36:07,948 --> 00:36:10,255 Well, it was very-- I know everything about you. 960 00:36:10,255 --> 00:36:12,474 I know how you move. I know what makes you tick. 961 00:36:12,474 --> 00:36:13,693 I know everything. 962 00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:15,173 I am focusing on being healthy. 963 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,826 - I'm not coping. - So, you don't drink anymore? 964 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:19,786 I will have pretty much two drinks. 965 00:36:19,786 --> 00:36:21,222 I don't think I've gone over two. 966 00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:23,311 So, you do not have a drinking problem? 967 00:36:23,311 --> 00:36:26,358 Well, so far, first of all, I'm very aware of it 968 00:36:26,358 --> 00:36:28,534 - and I'm still continuing-- - You're aware of what? 969 00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:31,537 That I used alcohol and I used it excessively 970 00:36:31,537 --> 00:36:34,366 in certain darker periods of my life. 971 00:36:34,366 --> 00:36:37,717 If I get to a point where alcohol is an issue with me, 972 00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:39,675 then I absolutely will look at it. 973 00:36:39,675 --> 00:36:41,590 - But so far-- - But don't you feel 974 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:42,983 like sneaking alcohol is an issue? 975 00:36:42,983 --> 00:36:44,898 - I did one night. - We went to dinner 976 00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:46,682 and my photographer was there 977 00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:49,903 and she was whispering to him to order her a drink 978 00:36:49,903 --> 00:36:52,645 and then slip it in her Diet Coke. 979 00:36:52,645 --> 00:36:54,777 - What? - So that is something that 980 00:36:54,777 --> 00:36:56,823 somebody with a drinking problem does. 981 00:36:56,823 --> 00:36:59,086 I've seen you in compromising situations, 982 00:36:59,086 --> 00:37:01,262 - so that's just like-- - Oh, God, Shannon. 983 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:02,742 Don't focus on me. 984 00:37:02,742 --> 00:37:05,614 Have I drove my car into a house? 985 00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:18,714 Oh, my God. 986 00:37:20,368 --> 00:37:21,978 Can you get my purse, please? 987 00:37:21,978 --> 00:37:24,503 Can someone get my purse? I need my purse. 988 00:37:24,503 --> 00:37:26,679 Is she coming back or not? 989 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,343 I've seen you in compromising situations, 990 00:37:38,343 --> 00:37:40,432 - so that's just like-- - Oh, God, Shannon. 991 00:37:40,432 --> 00:37:41,824 Don't focus on me. 992 00:37:41,824 --> 00:37:44,784 Have I drove my car into a house? 993 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,266 Sorry. 994 00:37:49,919 --> 00:37:51,791 Is she coming back or not? 995 00:37:54,097 --> 00:38:00,539 She has done nothing but hurt me and spread lies about me 996 00:38:00,539 --> 00:38:02,410 that are----ing character damaging. 997 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,020 Where is she? 998 00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:08,895 Is she taking-- Getting a drink? 999 00:38:08,895 --> 00:38:10,679 I know what I did 1000 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:12,942 and I don't need - ing Tamra Judge 1001 00:38:12,942 --> 00:38:15,510 to be the person that decides my punishment. 1002 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:16,946 Like, [bleep] off. 1003 00:38:16,946 --> 00:38:18,774 This is a true example 1004 00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:20,385 of kicking someone when they're down. 1005 00:38:20,385 --> 00:38:21,951 It's just the low blows. 1006 00:38:21,951 --> 00:38:23,344 You go for the jugular. 1007 00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:24,998 That's what you do, Tamra Judge. 1008 00:38:24,998 --> 00:38:26,782 And you're lucky that I don't. 1009 00:38:26,782 --> 00:38:29,002 You're lucky that I'm not stooping to your level 1010 00:38:29,002 --> 00:38:31,047 because I could go there. 1011 00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:33,963 I'm strong, and I know that, clearly. 1012 00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:42,929 I apologize for getting up, but that's what I'm learning. 1013 00:38:42,929 --> 00:38:45,366 If I'm upset, I just gotta go take a breath. 1014 00:38:45,366 --> 00:38:46,802 Okay. 1015 00:38:46,802 --> 00:38:48,369 It's like I'm digging myself out of a hole, 1016 00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:50,458 and I feel like you are the one of the people 1017 00:38:50,458 --> 00:38:52,765 that's just trying to push me back in there. 1018 00:38:52,765 --> 00:38:55,115 Let me tell you, what I'm doing right now 1019 00:38:55,115 --> 00:38:58,118 - is I'm focusing on myself. - You should. 1020 00:38:58,118 --> 00:39:00,642 I have kept a very small circle of people around me 1021 00:39:00,642 --> 00:39:05,430 and I have received so much overwhelming support. 1022 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:08,346 I've never had this much support in my life. 1023 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:10,739 Oh, so the ten years that I was there for you as a friend 1024 00:39:10,739 --> 00:39:13,307 and talked to you all the time about every issue you've had, 1025 00:39:13,307 --> 00:39:14,874 - I wasn't there for you? - Yeah. 1026 00:39:14,874 --> 00:39:16,310 That's pretty hurtful. 1027 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,181 - You know what? - I came here to try 1028 00:39:18,181 --> 00:39:19,966 to make things better and all you've done 1029 00:39:19,966 --> 00:39:21,968 is been defensive and yelling at me the entire time. 1030 00:39:21,968 --> 00:39:23,839 - I'm not yelling at you. - I've been screaming. 1031 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,406 I've been screaming at me. Okay. 1032 00:39:25,406 --> 00:39:27,843 For once, Tamra Judge, just calm. 1033 00:39:27,843 --> 00:39:29,323 For once, you're calm. 1034 00:39:29,323 --> 00:39:31,151 Do you know how off the rails you were 1035 00:39:31,151 --> 00:39:32,892 the other night at Gina's dinner? 1036 00:39:32,892 --> 00:39:35,155 And then you, like, start backing up Alexis Bellino, 1037 00:39:35,155 --> 00:39:37,157 making allegations towards me. 1038 00:39:37,157 --> 00:39:40,378 It's like, stick in your lane, Tamra. 1039 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:41,727 Backing up Alexis? 1040 00:39:41,727 --> 00:39:43,816 Oh, about the money that you owe John? 1041 00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,426 I don't owe him money. 1042 00:39:45,426 --> 00:39:47,689 I never signed a promissory note that I owe him money. 1043 00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:50,518 I paid for everything the first two years of our relationship. 1044 00:39:50,518 --> 00:39:53,347 So, now what I have to do and spend my time doing 1045 00:39:53,347 --> 00:39:57,830 is going through and reliving how stupid I was to stay. 1046 00:39:57,830 --> 00:39:59,397 Is he suing you? 1047 00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:01,442 Yeah, he is. 1048 00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:02,922 He's suing you? 1049 00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:07,927 And my lawyer made a settlement offer today. 1050 00:40:07,927 --> 00:40:10,756 I don't owe him anything. 1051 00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:12,410 And he-- 1052 00:40:13,019 --> 00:40:15,151 Sorry. It's just been a bad day. 1053 00:40:15,151 --> 00:40:16,718 - And he-- - I'm sorry. 1054 00:40:16,718 --> 00:40:19,373 - I'm sorry. - He said 1055 00:40:19,373 --> 00:40:23,333 he won't accept one penny under $75,000. 1056 00:40:23,725 --> 00:40:28,556 He said that if you don't come up with a payment plan 1057 00:40:29,252 --> 00:40:33,256 to pay him $75,000, they're filing on Friday. 1058 00:40:33,256 --> 00:40:37,739 So, I am not making monthly payments to John Janssen. 1059 00:40:37,739 --> 00:40:39,741 It's not gonna happen. 1060 00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:45,094 I'm not gonna go through three years of hell again. 1061 00:40:45,094 --> 00:40:46,139 No. 1062 00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:47,401 And I don't blame you. 1063 00:40:47,401 --> 00:40:50,883 I'm not gonna pay $75,000 to him. 1064 00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:52,450 How dare he? 1065 00:40:55,278 --> 00:40:58,456 [sighs] It's a mess. It's a mess. 1066 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:03,417 In 2018, Jim Bellino sued Shannon and I for defamation. 1067 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:04,810 It was emotional hell. 1068 00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:06,899 Me and Shannon trauma bonded 1069 00:41:06,899 --> 00:41:08,596 over not knowing, 1070 00:41:08,596 --> 00:41:11,860 are we gonna have no money in the bank after this is done? 1071 00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:13,296 You know, my heart does break, 1072 00:41:13,296 --> 00:41:15,560 and I don't want to make things worse. 1073 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,257 And yes, Alexis is my friend, 1074 00:41:17,257 --> 00:41:18,998 but I personally couldn't imagine 1075 00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:20,434 going through this again. 1076 00:41:20,434 --> 00:41:22,392 I mean, I really feel for Shannon. 1077 00:41:22,392 --> 00:41:24,830 Listen, I'm having a party on Wednesday. 1078 00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:27,267 I would like for you and Vicki to come. 1079 00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:29,965 - Really? - Yeah. 1080 00:41:29,965 --> 00:41:32,054 Okay, now I want to give you a hug. 1081 00:41:34,056 --> 00:41:35,449 Thank you. 1082 00:41:38,234 --> 00:41:40,323 Thank you. I love you too. 1083 00:41:44,066 --> 00:41:45,590 I know you're going through so much 1084 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:47,287 and I know you're heartbroken as well. 1085 00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:48,897 But I don't want to make things worse. 1086 00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:50,246 Okay, let's not make it worse. 1087 00:41:50,246 --> 00:41:51,770 And I do apologize for yelling at you 1088 00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:53,902 - at Gina's dinner. - I apologize for hurting you. 1089 00:41:53,902 --> 00:41:55,600 I never want to hurt anybody, Tamra. I don't. 1090 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,604 Next time, let's put the boxing gloves on and go hee-ho. 1091 00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:01,823 Two hot-headed blondes. 1092 00:42:05,348 --> 00:42:08,221 Next time on The Real Housewives of Orange County... 1093 00:42:08,221 --> 00:42:09,962 Turn around, gotta get your bald spot so it matches your face. 1094 00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:11,746 - It's gonna be a hum and a blow. 1095 00:42:11,746 --> 00:42:13,139 [breathalyzer beeping] 1096 00:42:13,139 --> 00:42:14,619 - You did it wrong. - Are you kidding? 1097 00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:16,838 - Would I have been violated? - Violations, yes. 1098 00:42:17,230 --> 00:42:19,928 Welcome, Housewives and Vicki. 1099 00:42:20,712 --> 00:42:21,843 She's a----ing bitch. 1100 00:42:21,843 --> 00:42:23,236 Let the game begin. 1101 00:42:23,236 --> 00:42:24,629 I feel like, okay, I'm just less than Emil. 1102 00:42:24,629 --> 00:42:26,805 Like, you value bank accounts. That's bullsh--. 1103 00:42:26,805 --> 00:42:30,809 So, they're saying we'll drop the lawsuit if you say this. 1104 00:42:30,809 --> 00:42:34,029 I'm not going to----ing lie. That's----ing blackmail.