[chime]
Tonight, the reunion concludes.
Heather, like seeing you wake and bake mushrooms, I mean.
Who are you?
Does anyone still have their painted dick from Amsterdam?
I just have a broken dick,
that's all. [laughs]
Katie, we have a conversation we need to have.
Because when I was in the trailer, I got a call.
- Oh, my God. - I felt badly
- for Gina. As her friend-- - Why do you have
to be an asshole all the time?
You're an asshole all the time.
You want to talk about an asshole
all the time? That's you.
But the post came from somewhere.
A lot of accounts, these posts were tied to Tamra.
I'm gonna show you an interaction
after cameras went down.
That's insane.
I didn't do this!
I fucked up!
This is life destroying.
- I didn't do this. - Okay.
We are not... playing a game of survivor.
And this is bullshit and this is an ambush.
This has got to stop.
This is not what this show's about.
[upbeat music]
Welcome back to
The Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion.
From exotic locales such as Amsterdam to New Orleans,
to Heather Dubrow's penthouse...
- Hmm. - ...the Orange County women
were elite in the art of tripping, so to speak.
Especially when space cakes and mushrooms were on the menu.
I love this. Watch.
Girls' trip, number one priority.
- Ah! - Cheers!
Show me your tits!
Is to have fun.
[creepy music playing]
- I baptize you in the name of- - Emily.
I'm not vibin' with the voodoo.
- Aye-ee bah-bo! - I like to be spanked.
- Good evening. - Oh, put your dick away.
Do we need to say it in front of the waiter?
- Bottoms up. - Chew it up. Shoot 'er back.
I think I do feel these mushrooms.
- A gummy is five milligrams. - Just take a bite.
[psychedelic music]
[voice echoing]: Come in here.
This is a little creepy for me.
Wait, that was her face!
[screaming]
This is a house of horrors!
[loud band music]
Sometimes moms need a night out and it's not a night
to remember. Maybe it's just a night to forget.
[laughs]
Am I gonna be looking at your vagina all night?
That's the point. I'm just kidding.
[laughs]
This is exhausting. Is it time to go home now?
I'm ready to go home now.
Aw, that was cute.
It was fun seeing you all have fun.
And I have to say, Shannon, when you were sitting there
and you thought you heard the theme song
for the show. - It was!
Was it, guys?
[singing theme song] I don't think it was.
I couldn't hear it. She kept singing it.
- No. - But it didn't.
It was, you guys!
- Ask production. - Sure.
That was the Real Housewives music, wasn't it?
Am I tripping?
Just tell me it was the music, right?
Yes.
Come on, you're screwing with me.
She thought she asked production,
she asked the plant in the corner.
[laughter]
Shannon, have you ever eaten that much
- space cake before? - I've never had
- a space cake before. - Oh, really?
- No. - It's so good for her though.
Was it fun?
I, well then they said like--
We feel like she'd eat them a lot.
Tamra said... no!
Tamra said when you eat it, like in a muffin,
it stays with your body, and I felt like it stayed...
a while.
I love that Shannon's... when she's on pot.
What is this? What is this noise?
What person?
What is she talking about, someone special?
Did you eat it?
[laughs]
She needs to eat space cakes daily.
It's so funny seeing all of your evolution over the years.
And I mean, I'm looking at you, Shannon.
And Heather, like seeing you wake and bake mushrooms,
you're like, oh yeah, oh we're going to the tulip fields?
Here we go. I mean, I just loved it.
- When did that happen? - You know, my kids are...
older and you know, - Gone, yeah.
gotta have a little fun. Why not?
- Right. Anna in Fort Wayne, IN said Shannon, Gretchen,
and Tamra seemed like the only thing any of you agreed on
this year was not wanting to have any part in voodoo.
Are we sure this isn't the first sign of the apocalypse?
When we heard stories later on that
Heather had all these things happen.
- She ripped it apart--- - What?
...and threw 'em out in different trashcans.
- Oh yeah. - As soon as I heard
you have to feed it, I'm like okay,
I'm gonna screw it up the first night.
- I had bad things happen.
And she told us that if you want to get rid of it,
you can't just throw it away.
I broke that thing up. I put it in separate trashcans.
- No way! - Because I was thinking about
those movies where all the pieces come back together.
Part went down the trash chute.
- Oh, my gosh. - Part went over here,
- part went over there. Gone. - Wow.
Jenn was very into it. And she was feeding it
and talking to it. - I still feed her.
Tonight I made us sleepy time tea
because we're gonna sleep very good tonight.
We're gonna wake up tomorrow and you are going to do your job
and bring us a lot of financial opportunities.
That is for you.
And then let's go night night.
Don't break your twig arm.
Honest to God.
You still have your voodoo doll?
What do you mean, feed her?
Like, if I'm having my coffee in the morning
and I think about it, I spit coffee in her.
Hawk-tuah. Spit it right in the top of it.
Can you do a picture and put it on your social media, please?
- We need to see that. - Yes. Yes.
Katie, Philip in Cleveland
said you didn't know England was an island.
I didn't.
You didn't know where the Mississippi River is.
Can you name the two oceans the United States are flanked by?
The Pacific and the Atlantic. But let me just say...
- That would be bad. - ...that when we were on
the boat. And I was looking for the river, it doesn't
name it. And I actually went back, it doesn't say.
I kept being like, what river are we on?
- I had no clue. - Yeah, I had no clue either.
Does anyone still have their painted dick from Amsterdam?
- No. - I think that was left behind.
- I think I left mine behind. - It was.
I just have a broken dick, that's all.
- Good one, Gretchen. - Thanks.
I just want to say one last thing which is,
I thought it was very moving seeing you reconcile
your past with your dad.
- I was in tears. - And the ashes.
[somber music]
Bye, Dad.
And I just thought that was a beautiful moment.
- So beautiful. - To be able to do that,
and where you did it. And that must have been
a little closure for you.
It so was. You know, it started off being like, yeah,
I should do this thing. Okay, I should do this.
And it... it was just so crazy.
And obviously you didn't see the whole thing
but I told my dad like, how my mom is doing.
- Oh. - And my kids.
Everyone's good. Ace is going into high school. He's happy.
He's good, he's got friends.
And you probably, I don't even know
what you remember her like.
Cooking in her little kitchen. She's going to Yale.
Max is studying in Paris and she has a cat named Vincent,
who weirdly has your eyes.
Nicky is doing great. Got his real estate license.
He's going to work in hospitality this summer.
They're all really good. You'd be really...
You know, he doesn't, he didn't know, especially Ace and--
He knows.
I don't know if you know this, but my mother recently
- moved to Los Angeles. - No!
- She did. - Oh, yes.
- I know. - Season 20. Anyway.
Yes, I had to explain to him
- what's going on with her. - She is.
And everything. So, it was cathartic. It felt so good.
And I have to say thank you again to Emily.
We had the best conversation right before about our parents,
our upbringing, our parenting styles, our children.
- And we had so many... - Mm-hmm.
...similarities. And then, to be able to just sit there
- and do that, it was amazing. - I wish we could've
- all been there. - That's great. It was great.
This season ended on a dark and dramatic note, to say the least.
I want to start with the emotional final dinner
in Amsterdam, where you all confronted Gretchen
about her alleged social media activity.
You are intentionally liking hate rhetoric.
I don't know that I was doing that
- so that's why I'm asking. - You did that.
Gretchen, your immediate excuse about liking these posts
was to say, if I liked something, I probably
didn't know what it was about and that you weren't
paying attention to what you were liking.
What did you mean by that?
Um... well, listen,
I just want to make it clear that there's absolutely
no excuse for liking anything that has any sort of offensive,
you know, sentiment to it.
And I also want to make it very clear
to every single one of you here,
that I completely denounce anything that it seems
homophobic, or transphobic, or anything like that.
I was very confused.
I was in shock by what was being brought forward to me.
Did you recognize any of the posts that you saw?
- No. No. - You didn't.
Which posts are we talking about?
The pedophilia one.
But you followed that account.
I know, you said that I followed that account.
But at the end of the day, you know, I think we've all been
guilty of scrolling, you know, mindlessly at night.
And I might have seen something and I liked it,
not really looking at the content of the post or whatnot.
I get that, but when you have a good friend
that's sitting across the table from you, who's so emotional
and so invested in this,
and really does not want this to be true...
- Yes. - I get it that you were shocked
and all this, but that was surprising to me.
That the girls had to say, "Go after Heather."
I legitimately was like wait,
are they serious? Like, they're actually saying this?
Because I knew fundamentally,
that is not what I believed or who I was.
There was just-- Or who I've ever been
in my life.
So, you didn't know you were following all these
- hate accounts? - There was just so many.
- No, no, no. - It wasn't one.
One, I would've rolled my eyes.
The way that it was presented to me...
- Right, it's 200. - No, I followed a lot.
There were 200 on that feed?
She followed, she unfollowed over 200 accounts
when she got back from Amsterdam.
But how do you know they're all--
And you know they were all hate accounts?
- Yes. - I mean, listen,
I gravely apologize if I liked something
that was offensive or something like that.
But I will say, that one post that was brought forward,
it was very... upsetting and very suspect to me.
It doesn't align with who I am.
Then why would you follow a guy like that?
Because that's all he does is post stuff like that.
Right. And so, I took steps to go and look at
who I was following. Because I had over 4,500
accounts or something I was following.
- Okay. - And you know what?
Maybe that's my mistake, that I had been following
a lot of accounts that I really didn't know exactly everything
that they were posting.
I followed a lot of left wing accounts.
I follow a lot of right wing accounts.
Back in 2020 when the election was going on,
that's why I followed a lot of those accounts.
So, I don't feel like I should be--
It's a free country, by the way.
You can follow the right wing accounts...
True, but I will say it was a good lesson for me to learn.
And so, I went and rectified, and I went and looked
at a lot of the accounts that I was following. I was like,
I do not stand for this. And I am not going to follow
accounts that have this type of rhetoric.
I don't know initially why I followed it. Maybe they had
a post about God. Maybe they had a post about something.
I don't, I can't tell you because it's a lot of accounts.
The reason why I followed something
and didn't follow something.
By the way, if you're following 4,500 accounts,
it stands to reason that you are not seeing
what most of these accounts are posting.
- No, I'm not. No, I'm not. - On a daily basis.
- Right. - Can I say something to you?
- Yes. - I've known you
- a very long time. - Yes.
- I think 14 years. - Yes.
You have never been anything but kind to me and my family.
Thank you. Yeah.
And I never believed that you were that person.
But I have people that I've had in my life for a long time,
that I thought were that way, and found out some
- very disturbing things... - I know that.
- ...that go against my family. - I understand that.
My children specifically.
And everything I believe in. And it has shattered me.
I will tell you that I have heard over the years,
rumblings of this kind of rhetoric from you
in different communities, that I have always chosen to ignore.
But when I saw all these posts and saw that you liked them,
this is what worries me.
When you follow a multitude of hatemongers,
what you are going to see in your for you page is hate.
She's saying like,
- our is dogs, right? - Ours is dogs.
- I'm saying yours is animals. - Mine's fitness and dogs.
It shows you what you follow.
Mine's guys, housewives, and like, Diana Ross.
Yeah, like I have cake decorating and folding.
But Heather, you've got to understand, that was
a small percentage of all the accounts I follow.
The last few days, have you been unliking
- problematic posts? - No, I told you guys that I--
How do you know when she unlikes things, though?
Well, because I printed out two days ago posts
that she still had likes on.
And all but this one, making fun of Dylan about
being on the Bud Light can,
this is the only that's still liked by you, Gretchen.
Shouldn't she have unliked them?
I mean, wasn't that the right thing to do?
- Isn't that the goal? - Yes, I did.
That's the goal. [talking over each other]
Okay, but so then?
Yeah, but just be honest about it.
- Well, she-- - I accidentally did it?
No, no, she said, she just went through
- and she unfollowed a bunch. - As she should.
Okay, well then- but you were saying it was--
I appreciate the accountability.
It was a good lesson for me.
I don't subscribe to this, I don't align with this.
But the post came from somewhere.
So, if you're telling us--
If it wasn't you, where did it come from?
You mean, the original post?
Yeah, where does the, so then where did it come from?
Well, that is the question.
So, when I went home,
I hired a cyber analysis company.
And you said to me, Heather,
"I need you to prove to me it's not true."
So I did. [shocking music]
When I went home, I hired a cyber analysis company.
And you said to me, Heather,
"I need you to prove to me it's not true." So I did.
I spent thousands of dollars getting a cyber analysis done
on these posts.
And you can see it's a 25-page report.
The most egregious post is a fabricated, fake post.
It's important to note that
at the time of our initial investigation,
the most egregious and offensive post did not exist
anywhere online. Our system detected it may be a combination
of AI and some other image editing software.
Did we have AI three years ago?
Leading to us to the conclusion that it's a manufactured post
and could not be authenticated.
I think with the word pedophilia in there,
it's probably a post that Instagram removed.
This third-party cyber analysis company
continued to do a lot of research on,
on a lot of accounts that, unfortunately,
were tied to Tamra.
- Oh, my God! - What does that mean?
- I will sue your fucking ass. - What does that mean?
Okay, then sue my ass. I mean, what--
I have nothing to do with this.
- Okay. - How did you find that post?
How did you find it?
It's been, it's been cycling around social media
- for a long time. - No, it has not.
You said it came on Two T's in a--
Exactly, let me finish.
No, it was on one Twitter feed.
And so, two years ago, it came through to Teddi.
It was, it was tweeted
- or X or whatever. - You said a year ago.
Now it's two years ago?
I don't know, I can look it up on my phone
if you really want to know the date.
No, you said on the thing it was one year ago
and now you're saying two years ago.
I'm not quite sure. I know the post was from like, 2022.
You were the only person that knew anything about this.
You knew about that Twitter feed.
- No, I wasn't the only person! - Yes, you were.
- You were the only person. - Oh, my God!
And Gina, I really like you
but it really was frustrating to me...
- Oh, my God. - ...because I had somebody
call me and said that you and her were plotting
- and planning it together. - Yeah, I know.
But you saw what you saw, Gretchen.
And the reality is she brought up to me.
Let me ask you this,
why after you had made up with her several times...
- Yes. - Did you bring it up
- at the end? Like, why-- - When did I bring it up, Andy?
- In Amsterdam. - No, I didn't.
You talked to her--
I brought it up the night after she,
her and Slade went after me.
I'm saying, you had resolved everything with her.
- Yes! - And then you two talked
about bringing it up.
So, why didn't you tell Gina to squash it?
Because anytime I bring anything up, it's like,
Oh, my God, here Tamra goes! Here Tamra goes!
But you did bring it up. I understand, but I'm saying,
what doesn't make sense to me is that you've had this
for a long time. Heather: Why now?
It's not like I was sitting on it!
Yes, you were! You just said for two years!
You said you knew about it for two years.
I found out about it two fucking years ago.
So, you've been sitting on it for two years.
And I never even thought about it again until recently...
- No, that's such bullshit. - ...when you came on the show.
Yeah, and you wanted to figure out
how to weaponize it against me
and harm me and hurt me. That's what you did.
Then why didn't I bring it up the first day?
I don't know, Tamra.
Why is this changing into you're a homophobic bitch!
- I'm not, and you know that. - Yes you are!
- No! - Bullshit.
You are so gross.
But when you say tied to Tamra,
- what does that mean though? - Like she made it up?
- Yeah, I made this up? - That's not what I said.
There is a Twitter feed
that Tamra happened to have on her phone that night.
- Yeah. - She was like, look at this.
- Yeah. - Here's this.
That Twitter feed,
that was the only feed that it was on.
It had not been anywhere else but on that Twitter.
Gretchen, it's all over Reddit.
- Now it is. - Because you started putting
- it out everywhere. - No, no, no.
Tamra, do you know how many--
That is a lie! You're a fucking liar.
- Do you know how many DMs-- - You spit.
...how many people have sent me that you are the one
that is out, putting that out into the press
- with everybody? - Oh, my God.
Do you know how many people are saying that?
Who? Show me the proof.
Can I say one more thing to Gretchen?
'Cause I want to say this directly to you.
In hindsight, was this something that I felt
I needed to bring up? Yeah, because it was something
that was brought to me and it was a little disturbing to me.
I wish that I had brought it up to you not...
- Thank you for saying that. - ...at the dinner table.
And I am very sorry for doing it there.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Because I did think that you and I had a good enough
relationship that if something was bothering you that much.
- Yeah. - And especially knowing
that you knew about it for what, I understood, a couple weeks.
- Yeah. - Maybe a month before.
- I did, yeah. - I wish that
- you had brought it to me. - I do, too.
Because I do, I felt very...
- Blindsided? - Blindsided and ambushed.
Yeah, and I am sorry for that.
Tamra, what were your intentions of bringing this
to Gina in the first place?
And I'm curious, did you think about bringing it to Heather,
who it kind of most personally affected?
Me and Heather have had conversations in the past
about her beliefs.
You, yourself, said three years ago that you had to distance
- yourself from Gretchen. - I did not say that to you.
We were sitting after Jenn's yoga thing in Newport.
- Tamra had-- - It wasn't about the post,
- it was about other stuff. - No, you sent me the post.
- Yeah, well after. - No, you sent it to me
while we were in the middle of filming, you sent it
to me, and I texted you back, I don't want any part of this.
Oh, that's right. You're right.
And then you brought it up again at the,
in front of everyone, at the cake party.
You sat down with me and said, I don't
- want to talk about her. - I didn't--
Because of her political stance and her stance
- on gay, lesbian-- - Do not, do not do that,
- Tamra. Do not do that. - But that's what Tamra does!
I felt like you were trying to give it to me,
to drop it in my lap to do something with it,
and I really didn't want any part of that.
But why did you tell Gina? 'Cause I feel like
you put her in an awkward position.
Because that's who I filmed with after--
But if this was something that you were going to bring up
about Gretchen, why not just bring it up yourself?
Why am I getting blamed for her
- liking homophobic stuff? - You're not.
- It's getting gross. - You're not--
And it's like, I'm questioning
- all of you. - I'm trying to understand
- the lead up to it. - Like, this is crazy.
I'm trying to understand.
I'm filming a reality show, Emily.
- I understand that. - And okay, then let me explain.
Don't talk to me condescending.
Well then don't talk to me condescending.
I'm not being condescending at all.
Yeah, you are. Why did you do this?
That's not condescending. I'm asking you a question.
I felt badly for Gina. As her friend, I felt badly.
I felt like she was in a very bad spot.
- Tamra-- - Why do you have to be
- an asshole all the time?
- I'm not an asshole. You're an asshole all the time.
You wanna talk about an asshole all the time, that's you.
That's you! You're always poking at me and all I've ever done
- is been supportive of you. - I know, here we go again.
Oh, really, are we going back?
Oh yeah, but also what, she's got a podcast on my network.
- I'm not on your network anymore!
- She separated. - Stop bringing that up!
By the way, sweetheart, yes you are.
- Don't call me sweetheart. - Wow.
We had to put you back on because when you
got off, your, it tanked.
This is the problem, Tamra.
- That's the problem. - That's not cool.
Let's talk about who's an asshole right now.
I just got the text message
that they had to put you back on.
- Okay, but that's not nice. - That is not true.
But then don't call me fucking shit like that.
What? Call you shit like what? What are you talking about?
You just started. You called her an asshole.
- You said it first! - All I've ever been
- is nice to you! - Oh, you have not!
You treated me like shit for years then
- I forgave you recently. - You treated me
- like shit for years, too. - Okay.
[tense music playing]
When you got off, it tanked.
Let's talk about who's an asshole right now.
- I just got the text message... - Jesus.
...that they had to put you back on.
- Okay, but that's not nice. - That is not true!
But then don't call me fucking shit like that!
What, call you shit like what? What are you talking about?
You just started. You called her an asshole.
- Okay, all right. - You said it first!
All I've ever been is
- nice to you! - Oh, you have not!
You treated me like shit for years and then
- I forgave you recently. - Oh, you treated me
- like shit for years, too. - Okay.
I treated you like shit?
- Yes, you did. - Okay. Right.
Well, you guys have seen all of the episodes
from this season, but we didn't send you the aftermath
of the Amsterdam dinner. We wanted you
to watch this together today as a group
- Oh, wow. - ...for the first time.
And then get your reactions on the other side.
So, the day after that dinner, we captured a car ride
to the airport with Jenn, Emily, Gina, Tamra, and Heather,
and we're going to take a look at it.
[tense music playing]
Gina: I felt awful.
Like, that way, that dinner went.
It didn't sleep 'til almost 3:45.
I don't like it.
But I went to the actual pages of the people
and she does follow these accounts,
but then went to the posts that she's supposedly liked
and I can't find anyone that she actually liked.
Well, did she know when I liked these accounts?
Well, I don't know, that's the question.
You can't just sit across from someone and accuse them
of doing something without knowing for sure.
This is going back to the root of the problem.
You and Gretchen go tit for tat all the time,
and I feel this is all stemming from that.
And to be honest, like at this point...
I want to remove myself from that.
All you guys do is bring up shit that you see
on the internet to hurt each other.
It's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And it's like you're gonna both destroy both of your lives.
How much shit can I take from this girl?
All these things she can say about me and I just sit back?
No, I'm not doing that. Checkmate, bitch.
So, Gretchen, how does it feel seeing that there was remorse
from Emily, Gina, and Heather?
Does that make you feel any better?
- [teary] Yeah. - Yeah?
I didn't even--
I mean, we all went to our room that night
and stayed up looking at stuff.
Thanks.
And you know, you wake up the next day
and you go, how did this happen?
Has anyone, since Amsterdam, seen any article
or credible sources talking about the posts that Gretchen
- has claimed to have liked? - No, I searched for it.
'Cause I was trying to find something legitimate.
And I couldn't find anything.
And to me, a screenshot is not clear and convincing evidence.
Like, I want to see the actual post.
I do remember seeing that night that there were
live posts still up there
- that you had liked. - Mm-hmm,
they were as of two days ago.
Whether intentionally or not, they were there.
I'm curious, Katie, you weren't there.
- No. - You're seeing all this
for the first time. What's your reaction to all this?
- It's a little heartbreaking
because I don't stand on that side of things.
I'm very much pro-LGBTQIA.
And I'm very outward about that and I don't follow
the accounts that would be the opposite. I just don't.
You know, Heather, much of your story this season
- was about... - Allyship, yeah.
...supporting your children through Allyship.
So, where does this leave the two of you?
I mean, I... I guess the only thing I could say to you,
like I said to you that night was I gravely apologize
if I had inadvertently liked a post that I didn't realize
was, you know, hurtful towards you or your family,
or anybody in the community,
because it's just not who I am, or what I align with,
or what I subscribe to.
So, I think you know who I am as a person and I hope you believe
who I am as a person, and that I'm extremely sorry.
Well, like I said at the beginning of this,
you've always been supportive and kind to me
and my family, and I think that's why it was so shocking.
That's hurtful to everyone in your life
that identifies like that.
Gretchen, you're crying because?
[sobbing] Because like I said that night, it's not who I am,
it's not what I align with.
And I just felt like it was such a personal attack on me.
[sniffles]
And you know, Tamra and I had made up the day before
and I really thought that we were like,
maybe having a chance to move forward.
Okay, just stop right there.
Gina, when did I show you that post?
When we were in Orange County.
Which you're not understanding is that from my point of view,
it felt like it was being plotted and planned
and brought back memories of even
naked wasted to be honest. [scoffs]
Of when I saw you on camera going,
we're gonna get her naked wasted.
We're gonna make her do something stupid.
And you know what, Tamra?
That's fucking hard to sit there and think that somebody's
plotting and planning something and you have no fucking idea
that somebody's doing.
That's fucked up! It's fucked up!
Oh, bring on the tears, Gretchen.
No, you know what, Andy? This is life-changing.
- This is life-destroying. - It can be.
- And you brought that up-- - Yeah, so is drugging somebody
- is life-destroying, too. - I've gotten so many
- death threats. - I have businesses.
I've gotten so much shit because of the stuff that
you are out disseminating and telling people.
I am not disseminating anything.
You are out disseminating this to so many people.
There is a whole thread out there that's been out there
- for two years. - Oh, my God, Tamra.
[shouting over each other]
She's not talking about the Twitter feed.
They're posting them currently because they got them recently.
Tamra is out... yes!
I didn't say that but you can make
- whatever connection you want. - Oh, show me. Show me.
I get these messages on the daily!
You are so full of shit! You are so full of shit!
I get these messages on the daily!
You are so full of shit! You are so full of shit!
Every single one of those accounts...
- Oh, my God. - ...you are attached to.
There are accounts out there that are very pro-Tamra
- and those are the accounts... - Yeah, there are.
...that are posting screenshots.
There's accounts that are pro everybody.
- There's accounts that hate me. - I'm just saying...
- This digital thing. - ...it very suspect that--
- Well, thank you, Emily. - Well, just so you know...
I'm saying it's suspect, Tamra.
Yeah, okay, thanks Emily.
You should flip through this because they,
they are linking accounts that they say
you are somehow involved with.
There's all these little accounts.
- For spreading this around. - Tamra's the only one that's
- following those accounts. - I am not spreading anything.
I have nothing to do with this.
- This is Slade's bullshit - It's your little
criminal network that you're reaching out to everybody.
I don't have a criminal network.
- Okay, Tamra. - Oh, my goodness.
Gretchen, I have a job.
Sure. Do you ever not talk to bloggers?
Do you never leak any information about the show?
No, what are you talking about?
- You've never done that? Okay. - Never in my life.
Okay, Tamra.
Well, about a week after the Amsterdam trip ended
we picked cameras back up to see how everyone
- was processing. - Oh, wow.
So, I'm going to show you now an interaction that happened
between Jenn, Gina, and Shannon,
at Jenn's house, after cameras went down.
Keep in mind, this was shot on May 9th, 2025,
before any trailers or episodes had aired.
Watch this.
Oh, my God, the account is back
- and it has a different name? - Wait, how did you get it?
Emily just sent me a screenshot. They said,
I know you don't know who I am,
I'm just someone who wants to expose the truth.
Tamra has been leaking details about the entire season
- throughout filming... - What?
...to bloggers and fan pages. If you want to test knowledge,
feel free, I can prove everything I'm saying.
What?!
- Can you give us a couple of things that you know?
Yeah.
This might be, like, the last time anyone sees me
with this group of women.
- Katie Ginella. - Hi.
Fancy meeting you here.
There are so many things that are coming up
that haven't even aired.
Gretchen lied and said
she went to a hospital. - Wait, what?
- Wow. - Yeah.
Tamra is getting away with leaking info
yet holding Katie accountable for doing
- the exact same thing. - Oh, my God.
- Hi. - No.
That's insane.
She's clearly trying to make this like, a my fault
thing when I have nothing to do with this.
Like, it's, that's insane.
You know what, Tamra?
I'm not here to do your dirty work.
I'm not your fuckin' henchman, I'm not your minion.
And now you've pissed me off.
This is everything.
- This is insane. - You guys, let's--
This is insane.
Wow. Who's this guy?
- The voice. I don't know. - Who is he? Who is he?
This is someone that
- contacted who? - All of us.
When you all agree to do the show, you all agree to keep
- everything that you shoot... - Absolutely.
- ...confidential. - Yep. Stories got leaked.
So, how do you explain how this person knows this?
It is not me, Andy. This is bullshit and this is an ambush.
- Like you did to me? - So, you don't talk to anybody?
You don't talk to bloggers. You don't tell information?
I don't give away storyline. No, I don't.
But do you talk to bloggers?
We all talk to bloggers.
- I don't. - But there's a difference
between saying hi, bye, thank you, yes, great.
Well, that's not what I'm talking about.
Good luck at the reunion.
That's different than giving away storyline.
- Very true. - I've been on this show
for 15 years. We've never had this problem
until you came back.
Oh, okay, sure.
People are finally coming out and talking about it.
What am I doing?
This guy said you've been doing it for years.
Well, show your face, buddy! Show the proof!
And then when people come after you,
they go out on social media and support you
and they do it because you supply them
with storyline ahead of time.
- You keep them in the know. - This is bullshit.
And that's how that they help you.
- This is bullshit - That's what he said.
This guy. Uh-huh. Slade's friend.
It's not Slade's friend.
But they weren't scenes that she was in.
Yes, there was scenes that I wasn't in, Tamra.
Show me the proof. Show me my writing.
On that call he said something that happened
in Amsterdam was you were upset that you didn't
get asked to go to the upfront.
But we all knew that.
That was the clincher. How is this guy...
I had just gotten back from Paris the day before.
How's this guy gonna know that?
Did every single person from our cast
get invited to the upfronts but me?
No.
I did call up Bravo today and I said,
I just want to know is there a reason
- that was I wasn't asked to-- - Wait, you really did that?
Yeah, I really did. And they said,
No, absolutely not. We love you.
- I didn't do this! - But this is the problem.
- This is where now lie. - Oh, my God.
Like, we don't know. Do you do this?
- She does! - I don't!
Why did you guys find this person
to be credible on the call?
Because he knew things.
Do you think I'm the only person on this cast?
- Well, it's someone here. - Not me.
Right, well, you exonerated yourself on this one, lady.
Guess what, Katie? You're clean on this one.
It's very suspect to me that he knew about
a specific setup between... - Absolutely!
- ...these two people about Gretchen and the screenshots.
The only people that knew about that are the people
- sitting in this room. - It wasn't me. Wasn't even me.
- And I know it wasn't her.
Hearing the person say, and Gina's plotting
against Gretchen, it made me feel like you're doing this
and you're trying to now pass
- the buck to me? - Why would I say that?
That same person had texted me and said Tamra has been
plotting and planning this thing against you...
I want to see the guy's messages.
But she didn't know you were coming back to the show.
This is such-- - No, no, he said
that it would be in the last two weeks.
- He said he knew-- - It was from you.
- No, it wasn't from me, Tamra. - Yes, it was.
Yes, Slade is working overtime.
Oh, my God, you're such a fucking liar.
You're just mad 'cause you got caught. That's why.
- No, I'm not mad I got caught. - Yeah, you're mad that
- you got caught. - I'm mad because it is a lie!
[shouting over each other]
Okay, I want to hear from Shannon.
Gina and Jenn, you were on the call.
- Yes. - Do you also remember
that he said when those crank calls were
happening where it says Kelly Dodd...
You said it happened.
- What was the prank call? - I got prank called
and I didn't tell one person about it.
You thought it would be funny
and you gave Heather's number
- and my number. - What?
And I remember getting the prank call.
- Oh, I did get that call. - And they recorded it.
I have never given, on my children's life,
I have never done this!
This is fucked up.
On my children's life, I have never done this!
- Heather, what's your... - This is insane and gross!
...what's your take about this?
- This I find concerning. - Yeah.
- It's, it's, you know. - Yeah, is it concerning
that they never come out until Gretchen's on and Slade's here?
- Oh, my God. - And all the shit
- that he's done? - Gina, you clearly
believed this, based on the conversation.
Well, I got pissed off
because my name got thrown around in there.
I do believe it. I don't play this game.
This whole inter, under works.
You say you felt like you were set up by Tamra.
Or whatever. That's what I'm saying. I did, I believed this
because the only people who knew that we knew
about the posts about Gretchen are you and I.
So, what's your response to her?
- No, that is bullshit. - No, I mean with regards...
- It's all over social media. - ...I mean with regards
- to our season. - Oh.
With regards to our season.
So, she's saying that she feels like set up by you.
What's your response to her?
She should be felt set up by Slade.
No one knew that this whole thing about accusing Gretchen
was between the two of you.
I know, and that's why I got hurt--
If it's not Gina's the one who's telling him,
then it has to be you.
Right, and that's bullshit. That's not fair.
Fifteen fucking years I've been on this show
and never had this problem.
And this cunt comes back and guess what?
- Okay. The words. - Guess what?
Now all of a sudden, Slade's pulling his magic.
I know, but Slade but wouldn't have known
that information because she didn't know it.
I didn't even know. I was ambushed with that.
- This is bullshit. Bullshit. - Don't yell at me.
On the finale night, we went out to dinner afterwards.
You had a very smug look on your face.
In fact I said you looked orgasmic.
It was like, I got it. I won. And it made,
and all of us commented on it.
We did. We felt uncomfortable.
Because the thing, this is what I keep going back to
between the two of you guys, though.
On my children's life. This is not true.
- To a group of bloggers. - No, I didn't!
Well, isn't it interesting
- that they got them? - No, I didn't!
Production knows! He said these are her taglines!
- Yes, they called me about it. - Before they came out
- and you did them. - I shared my alternative
- taglines... - You literally have been
- showing so much information. - ...with my guy that ran
my fan page for 15 years.
But a group of people got all your taglines.
They didn't get mine. They didn't get Jenn's.
Well, no, I just want to say the tagline thing--
...something totally different.
Well, hold on, I do want to say about the tagline thing,
I think it is different because I know housewives who like,
- run their taglines by people. - Yes.
I think that the thing that I would like to know from Tamra
before I end this is, to me,
- you and Gina are good buddies. - Mm-hmm.
And so, I actually think this
kinda comes down to between the two of you.
Because I know that things have been troubled with Jenn,
and we know where you've been with Shannon.
So, how do you two move on from this?
Because she's saying she felt set up by you in this situation.
I feel set up by this whole situation.
- Okay. - So, I don't...
Gina, I didn't do that.
On my children's life, I did not do that.
But what I'm saying is, did they, did this person
show you any proof that
- this stuff came from Tamra? - Right, where's the proof?
They just, they gave us a storyline.
Yes. [talking over each other]
Why don't we get this person out here
and ask him where this is coming from?
I would love for him to come out.
- I would too. - Even this situation,
this doesn't even have to do with Gretchen, right?
This has to do, like for between you and I,
like if you are telling anybody about anything
that's happening here, it's getting fucking out.
And it's becoming a problem, you know?
- It is. - And so that's what
- I'm saying is-- - Yeah, but you're making it
sound like I'm reaching out to bloggers.
- That's what they're saying. - That is what they're saying.
[talking over each other] I am telling you I am not.
Well this is what you all were accusing Katie of.
Yeah, and I gave Katie shit for it a lot, too, you know.
I mean, this is what we're saying is,
if this is happening, it's not okay.
No, it's not okay.
And the same accountability that happens to Katie
should be taken across the board.
Do you still feel set up by Tamra?
I don't know. I mean, I have a hard time with that because
ultimately I like to take responsibility for the things
that I choose to do when we're here, okay?
And I understand how this works. And I understand that
sometimes when things are told to you, there's an expectation
that then you're gonna go and tell your other friends.
So, I have a really hard time putting it all on her
when I chose to bring it up to you,
at the end of the day. Okay?
And I apologize for the way I brought that up to you.
I'm, and I clearly had a lot of then remorse
- for bringing it up to you. - Yeah.
And I don't know if I believe all this. And I don't know
if I believe all this. But I know it's all a problem.
- Mm-hmm. - Yeah.
- It is. - And I'm over a lot of it.
- And I wish, I wish that there had been you maybe going
and verifying if that post was even true.
Yeah, or verifying this stuff until you guys--
Do you think someone close to you is betraying you?
I don't know. I don't know.
But I'm telling you, Andy, I'm not reaching out to bloggers.
I've been on this show for 15 years.
I don't fucking do that.
But it's just a coincidence that now he's on the show
and that they've been attacking me for so long.
- He wouldn't have, known that. - You know what you just
said to Andy at Watch What Happens Live?
You're like, "This is how I keep my job!"
That's not what I said,
- shut up. - Something like that.
But listen, this is a moment for everyone to say,
it is enough. I... you know what?
I joined this show when my youngest kid
was nine months old. He's turning 15.
You've been on this show longer than me.
You started before me.
Things have changed. It has got to stop.
- Yeah. - No careers, no kids,
- no bloggers. - But I think we all agree...
- None of this. - And then it doesn't change.
This is about our friendship.
This is about conflict and resolution between us,
and that's all it's ever been and all it ever should be.
And anyone that arrives in this group and thinks
they're playing a game of survivor, is sadly mistaken.
And I think everyone needs to agree, once and for all,
- this has go to stop. - Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree.
It's hard enough, it's hard enough to be in this group.
It really is.
And to be in this dynamic and to navigate all of this.
And share your lives and your families.
And to be authentic and to talk. I mean, it's hard
for me to share about Luke. It's hard for me to talk
about marriage. I mean, it's hard for all of us.
We're sharing authentic things about our lives.
But it is so much harder
when we have to navigate outside people.
And the outside people aren't our friends.
- No. - So, we have to not deal with
those outside people. It's hard enough to deal with
this as it is, without bringing more people into this group.
All right, very well said. I want to leave it there
and I want to come back and we're gonna wrap things up.
We are back with final thoughts
from the Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19 Reunion.
Ladies, Christina from the UK said,
If you could take back one thing you've said this season,
what would it be? Gretchen, starting with you.
That I brought up the thing about Tamra
and that whole situation.
Shannon?
My reaction to you was too extreme.
You are nothing like Alexis Bellino.
Thank you, Shannon.
Katie?
I think I said something about Jenn in a confessional
about just having a strong distaste for her,
and I regret that.
Heather?
Um... It's not something I regret saying,
but I wish I had been more vocal about the photo.
Thank you.
Emily?
I can't think of anything.
Other than I'll just go back to Katie, to last year.
And I wish I would have formed the question better,
as opposed to making it about your children,
because that wasn't my intent. I wouldn't want to do that.
So, I wish I had said it in a better, more articulate way.
Thank you, Emily.
Gina?
It wasn't this season, but obviously I regret
having asked you what you were wearing that day,
the bicycle, I do.
This season, I obviously deeply regret
saying that I thought you weren't funny.
- Thank you. - And I do think you're funny.
Thank you, Gina.
- And I love you. - Love you, too.
- Tamra? - Sharing the picture of Jenn.
Jenn?
Two for me. That I gave Shannon the feeling
that I didn't appreciate the bridal party.
Oh, sweetie, that's nothing. - And then the video
that was hurtful for Katie.
Thank you, Jenn.
You know, Katie and Jenn, do you see a path forward?
I hope so.
We have a conversation
- we need to have. - Yeah.
Because when I was in the trailer, I got a call
that you were with Nicole just yesterday.
- Yeah. - And Nicole's my friend.
- Yeah. - Not that she can't be yours.
But you went right up to her and Nicole's like, you said,
I'm going to ask you something and tell me the truth,
was Ryan involved with Matt's booking?
- I, no, no, I didn't say-- - And Nicole said, Jenn,
- she was phishing. - I said, Was he involved?
And to know she went there to pump Nicole for information
so she and Tamra can go sit out there like some united front?
She can go fuck herself.
My friend Leli hosted an event, and she was a guest.
And I was invited by my friend Leli, who owns the event space.
But you went out phishing again for me.
And this is where, Katie, I had nothing but love,
100 percent love for you.
You can't do this stuff in real friendships.
You can't go to my friends and say--
I haven't heard from you, Jenn.
But you're sitting here today saying, I hope there's a path.
I'm in my trailer eating lunch.
Nicole says, I'm driving Matt to prison today.
- She told me... - You came right up.
... that she doesn't talk to you anymore.
Because you've been hurtful to her.
Matt is the bookie that Ryan worked with?
She said she hasn't talked to you for weeks and you said
you submitted her for casting.
No, she said you told her that they want her on the show
and that you will submit her for casting.
She said you sent her a message and said I submitted
- you for casting. - Not true. She said you did.
I just met her for the second time last night.
I'm sorry, it's the phone call I just got.
You can have a call with Leli and you can
hear the real story and it's exactly what I'm saying.
But I don't need it. I trust Nicole.
Okay.
Okay. All right, for our final toast this year,
we are doing hurricanes from New Orleans.
Gina, we made you a mocktail.
- Thank you. - I want to get this right.
Heather, why don't you lead us in a toast?
- Oh, I... oh, dear. - Did you ChatGPT it?
- Here, Gretchen. - I didn't prep.
I think we said it all best.
I think in order to move forward,
the path has to be clear.
- Cheers to that. - Cheers.
Cheers to Season 19.
Woo! In the books, baby.
- Incredible. In the books.
Thank you all for being here. Thanks for your openness.
- Oh, that's got a lot of sugar. - Lot of sugar. Wow.
For more, go to BravoTV.com. Cheers.
Tamra?
Gretchen.
Heather: You okay?
- No, this is not okay.
It's a fucking lie, it's a set up, and it's not fucking true.
Where do you think it is coming from?
I don't know!
Thank you, you guys.
Can I get one too? I never take a photo with Andy.
What's the name of the account
that reached out to you about this?
They deleted the DM that they originally sent me
so and I honestly do not remember the name.
- You're trying to be taller? - Yes?
But to say that I called bloggers when there's
absolutely no fucking information on it?
Like, it's bullshit and what's more bullshit
is I can't find my fucking phone.
Good job tonight. You did really good.
- Thank you. - Pull my Spanx down.
I only have one on today. Newsflash.
What are you looking for, Tamra?
- My phone. - Did you find it?
- Yep. - Oh, okay. It's gonna be okay.
No, it's not okay.
Okay, can I be in the group?
- Yeah, of course. - Can I take a group shot?
Oh, my God. Just wait, here, I'll go in here.
[camera shutter snaps]
- I didn't do this. - Okay.
This is such a good dress.
Oh man, I can't wait to burn it. [laughs]
Thank you, everybody, for a wonderful day.
Thank you everybody! Woo!
Geez Louise, that was a lot.
Heather: My feet are in pain. They're like sausages.
- Then say you do. - Then say you do.
It's obvious. Jenn, you were on the call.
I was on the call.
It was too much circumstantial evidence.
- This is my leg tape. - I see that.
You know what it does? It lifts!
- I know, I was... you were very, very... I know,
she came at you at the end. Like, why?
I didn't do it.
I know you didn't.
I value my job and I've never done that.
Well, you just know going forward,
who's in your corner and who's not, you know what I mean?
I mean, at the end of the day, Katie and Tamra,
no wonder they're friends. They're the same person.
They can't trust me? Why can't you trust me?
This is not what this show's about.
- I know. - It's retaliation.
- Of course it is. - Gretchen and Slade
- are so fucking dangerous. - Yeah, they're very dangerous.
There were some things on there that only her
and I would have known.
So, if it's not you, then it doesn't take a fucking
rocket scientist to figure out
- who the guilty party is. - I know.