- Hi. - These are 100% candy.
They're not edibles.
- You're not gonna believe this.
I don't have an outfit. - What happened?
- The dress didn't work.
It didn't--it didn't work.
- Oh, my gosh, my first reunion.
Do you hear that?
Popping that cherry, girl.
- You're very offended by the word "pornography."
- It's not pornography. - Really?
I think Merriam-Webster would beg to differ.
- Rachel? - Yes?
- I don't have any shoes.
I don't know what to do.
- I don't know if you called the wrong Rachel.
- Oh, I'm sorry.
The two of you always talk over.
And it's--can I have water?
'Cause I have, like, cotton mouth right now.
- I mean, you sound ridiculous.
- The water wasn't hydrating my mouth.
- I'm not a narcissist.
Is your studio--do you have pictures of yourself?
- Yes, but I'm also a narcissist.
- Oh, my God, this is so gay.
- It has built-in underwear.
- This is the kind of bullsh-- that always happens to me.
My nose starts bleeding.
- I mean, what's the worst that can happen?
- That's not even true.
It's like talking to a child that just makes stuff up.
- I'll just head back there. - Yeah.
- And maybe one of these dresses will work in person.
- I'm gonna be bringing the cast in.
- Standing by. - Can I take a Ferrari home?
- Thank you, Jen. - Thank you.
If you just treat me like the dog, we'll be good.
- Wow.
- Treat me like the dog, that's the standard.
- Wow. Very pretty.
- They just found a dress for me, like, 20 minutes ago.
- That dress looks perfect.
- It's a small town, and I had heard things.
- That is so inappropriate.
- You pulled the pin out of the grenade,
and you handed it to Gina and me.
- You did too many ding-dong things this year,
and now you're coming to pay the piper.
- Quiet as possible, please. Here we come.
- I could have blown up your family.
I knew David was having an affair.
By the way, you knew David was having an affair.
- Un-----ing-believable.
- I am Andy Cohen, and welcome
to "The Real Housewives of Orange County"
season 16 reunion.
Joining me are the dynamic women of the OC,
who prove again and again that the show that started it all
is still worth the squeeze.
Hey, ladies. - Hi, Andy.
- Hi.
- Great to see you all.
Heather, it's amazing to have you back
after all these years.
Can you believe it's been five seasons
since we sat together at a reunion?
You still have your frozen embryos, right?
- I have two frozen embryos.
They're immortalized in the etched glass in the house.
- Excuse me?
- All right, Shannon, you may remember
me talking about this.
This is the etched window.
So there's four birds, one for each kid.
- Oh, cute. - So here's one.
And there's two eggs for my frozen embryos
that I still have.
- Okay.
- Do you know it's actually the ten-year anniversary
of when I first started the show?
- Well, you look the same, by the way.
- Oh, thank you.
- Hey, Gina. - Hi, Andy.
- You look fantastic, especially the hair.
- Thank you.
- We always have to keep giving props to your hair.
- Yes, thank you.
I'll keep taking them.
- Hello, Emily. - Hi, Andy.
- Congratulations, you just celebrated
your 13th wedding anniversary.
- That's correct.
- What does lucky number 13 have in store for you?
- I think it's gonna be great.
Shane and I have had our bumps along the way,
but we're just in such a great place now.
- Shannon, great to see you.
- Hi, Andy. - You look amazing as ever.
- Thank you.
- I know reunion day can be kind of stressful.
Did Heather, your dealer,
give you a little microdose before--
- No.
- I may have something in my pocket
for you a little bit later.
Hey, Dr. Jen. - Hey.
- Great to see you. - You too.
- I know everyone was really surprised
to see that you recently put your house on the market.
Where are you moving?
- I'm trying to move back to Laguna Beach, where I grew up.
- Okay, and it's fair to assume
that Ryne will be moving with you?
- I mean, time will tell.
- But you're joking, of course.
- We'll see.
- Okay. - Not joking.
- You know, it doesn't feel like a joke.
- Yeah, it doesn't feel like a joke.
- And last but certainly not least, hey, Noella.
- Hi, Andy. - Great to see you.
- You as well.
- How are you feeling about your very first reunion?
- Excited, overwhelmed, and underprepared,
but I think that's a good place.
- Overwhelmed and underprepared.
- Yeah. - I like that.
I hope you brought a stack of receipts
and not a stack of vaginas.
- I'll take the latter. - Okay.
You know, our set is a little different this year.
We are surrounded by icons of Orange County.
We've got the Huntington Beach Pier.
We've got the original gates
from the show open for 16 years.
Fun fact, that's where Tammy Knickerbocker
and Lou Knickerbocker lived,
when they lived in Coto de Caza.
- This is where we used to live.
You know what? You go up.
You go down in life. What's up?
Who cares? You just got to be happy.
I don't think I miss the big house.
I think I miss my life, you know,
'cause I was married, happy, two kids.
Bye.
- Well, after a long hiatus from the show
in which she may or may not
have simply been lost inside her own house,
Heather Dubrow made her triumphant return
to "The Real Housewives of Orange County."
Watch this.
- Hello, guys?
I'm back.
Gosh, what has been going on in the last five years?
We finished building this dream house.
- Did you have a view like this?
- No. - Oh, my God.
This house is legit.
- They're turning 18.
- Legal.
Thank you.
- Our children are getting older,
which is crazy.
I don't know how this is happening.
- I have the rainbow flag in my bio.
- Right.
- And I got a comment that said,
"14 and already gay."
- Your friends know you're gay.
What do you care what one person says?
- I don't know.
- You know who you are,
and it's so amazing to watch.
So thank you for teaching me so much.
- Thank you for being there for me.
- You're so sweet.
You're not supposed to make me cry right at the top.
- Oh, that gets you.
- Yeah, of course. - Yeah.
- You know, it's, like, the best hardest job ever.
- Heather, Kelly from Cocoa Beach, Florida, said,
"I must say, I always thought you were a total ice queen.
"But seeing you with your daughters this season
"warmed my heart.
"What was it like when not one but two of your children
came out?" - I was honestly--
I was surprised that Katarina
was so comfortable talking about it.
I was so proud how open and honest she was.
- Yeah, I thought that--
that was valuable for parents to see
who maybe have kids who are coming out.
I remember when I came out, my mom felt that--
it was a different time.
She didn't think I would ever be able to have kids,
and I didn't either. - Right, right.
- And she felt like she was grieving the loss of the life
that she wanted for me.
- Mm-hmm.
- And did you go through anything like that,
where you had to recalibrate what your expectations
for your children were? - No.
Straight people don't have children either.
- Right. - I mean, you just don't know.
- And don't get married and... - Yeah.
Noella, as a bisexual woman,
what did you think when you saw that motherly side
of Heather with her daughters? - I loved it.
I absolutely loved our first lunch ever together.
I wasn't sure I wanted to say it in the moment,
but it was important.
I'm like, "I am bisexual,
and so I don't want that to be misconstrued."
And you just reached across the table, grabbed my hand,
and said that "I've got that in my family
as well with my children."
I like to see boys and girls.
I'm bisexual. Hi. Anyway, yeah.
- I have kids that are bisexual.
When you come walk around our house,
you'll see a lot of flags.
- Yay!
I was like, "That's amazing," so...
- Another thing that was great to see
is, I mean, you and Terry, who, you know,
you've been through it and you've had issues,
you seem really, really good.
How did you get to that place?
- You know, I think we've worked on our marriage a lot,
as you have to.
We've been together over 25 years.
And you have good days and bad days.
You have good years and bad years.
Our worst year ever was captured on this show.
So we're gonna have to work on your schedule,
because I'm gonna need help, obviously,
taking the kids to school.
- Kill me.
- You are a jerk. - Honey, come on.
- I'm done.
- I used the D word, "divorce."
- Don't say that.
We have just worked on it,
and we've been able to sort of navigate through the years
and avoid the reality show curse.
- All right, well, new housewife Noella
made a splash with her provocative couture
and shocking marital sexcapades.
But before she could even say, "Sweet James,"
everything she knew about her marriage turned sour.
Let's watch.
- So your husband's an attorney?
- Yes. - So why sweet? Is he sweet?
- He's the most sweetest, most authentic man.
Like, it's not a brand. It is actually him.
- I saw that article.
- I think, like, he is my best friend.
Like, I want to, like, get it through to him.
Like, I'm not fighting against you.
Let's just come up with a plan together.
It's--like, it's--right now, we're not in a good space.
Somebody came to serve papers...
- Wait, what?
- He served you divorce papers with flowers?
We don't want to keep these around.
- Aah! - Throw it hard.
- Bye, James. - Bye, James.
- Bye, James, bye.
- So how did you and James meet?
- Online. - You met online.
- Yeah, well, it's a dating website,
but it's, like, a naughty one.
It's called SeekingArrangement.
- Oh, you met on SeekingArrangement?
- Yes, sir.
- But SeekingArrangement is typically, I thought--
forgive me... - Sugar daddy, right?
- For kind of--yeah...
- It says that on the website. - Like, more of a sugar daddy.
- Yeah.
- I mean, there are attractive girls,
and wealthy men is the standard, so...
- Got it.
How long were you together before you were married?
- We were five years and then one legal year of marriage.
He was separated when I met him.
- Okay.
- And so once we realized that we could have children
and I could start IVF, it was important for me
to do the gathering of our family
and do the picture of me in the white dress.
And so we had a wedding ceremony,
knowing that it wasn't fully legal.
- 'Cause he was still married, right?
- I didn't care about the actual
piece of paper for a divorce.
Anybody who's out there said I cared about money
or, you know, gold-digging kind of thing.
- You must have cared about money.
You met him on a website that's about attractive women...
- I mean, you weren't on, like...
- Meeting wealthy guys. - Poordudes.com.
- Does that exist?
- It's an arrangement.
- No, I know, but you just said
you didn't care about money, so...
- Okay, well, that wasn't in my mind
when I wanted to build a family and love this man.
- Noella, you told Gina at cryotherapy
that you were not considering divorce,
only to be served divorce papers a few days later.
- Same day. - Same day.
- How crazy is that? - Were you being 100% honest?
Because I know that your ex maintains
that you were going to file for a separation
before he filed--
- And they--and they claim that they received notice
from your attorney representing you
that you were gonna file for separation.
And that's why he filed in Puerto Rico,
so he could get jurisdiction in Puerto Rico.
- And that's a lie. - It was a race...
- And that's a lie.
- To see where jurisdiction could be established,
California or Puerto Rico. - And you say that's not true.
- It's a lie. I mean, like, that just--
- I'm sure it's in the file. - It's a lie.
- What happened that made James file for divorce?
- There was a lien put on the property
that my name is associated with,
and he legally should have told me that.
Once the cameras were around and all these tax things
and all these--it just was like, why would he be here
having different conversations?
- What was his reaction to you joining the show?
- He was ecstatic.
- He was? - He wanted it.
- Because he maintained on social media
that part of the problem, in his eyes,
was that you went all in on the show.
- If he ever took me to the side and said,
"Listen, babe, I can't do this.
It could damage our family."
- You would have-- you would have chose...
- In a heartbeat. - Staying with him.
I love my husband.
I like my child having a father.
- I don't know if I believe that.
- I don't believe that at all. - I don't believe that at all.
- If he ever took me to the side and said,
"Listen, babe, I can't do this.
It could damage our family."
- You would have-- you would have chose...
- In a heartbeat. - Staying with him.
I love my husband.
I like my father having-- my child having a father.
- I don't know if I believe that.
- I don't believe that at all. - I don't believe that at all.
- By the way, we had been speaking to you
in seasons past about coming on the show.
- And my husband was chartering the chopper
and wanting to make sure that I had the best chance possible...
- And I think he was... - To have this opportunity.
- On board with it until the tax stuff came out.
No, I know. I am speculating.
But I really feel like when the tax stuff came out,
I think it was embarrassing for him.
It's embarrassing for his business.
I think he didn't want to have anything to do with the show.
I think he pulled back.
And I think you said, "Screw you.
I'm gonna be famous. I want to be on this show."
And you went and lived in your house in Orange County.
And you filed--you were gonna file for separation.
And you wanted to separate yourself from him
because you wanted to be on the show.
- You're really stretching to get to that point.
- That's what I think.
And I don't think it's a stretch.
- We slept together the day before he left.
If there really was--
- It's hard for me to sit here,
because for multiple people now to be
telling her what she was thinking,
what her intention was-- - Who?
- Thank you.
- I never said what she was thinking.
I said--I prefaced it by saying--
- And it's creepy. - It's what?
- It's creepy. - You know what?
It is not creepy for me, as an attorney...
- So okay. You're right.
- To look at your case from a legal standpoint.
- I chose this show.
Like, I'm just--listen.
I would really like to be believed when I'm telling you
authentically and wholeheartedly here,
I was very committed to that man
and very much committed to that marriage.
- When's the last time you saw him face-to-face?
- Two days after coming back from New York,
right after "Watch What Happens Live."
His attorneys reached out to mine.
He said that he'd be in Orange County
and he wanted to see his son.
- So he saw your son last week?
- He saw our son.
- I want to talk about your house in Puerto Rico.
How did the two of you end up buying a place there?
- It was just all the closures going on in California.
- Wait, can I ask a question, though?
'Cause his attorney released a statement
that said that you moved to Puerto Rico as a family
and that you became citizens of Puerto Rico.
I mean, you can say whatever you want about attorneys...
- But no.
- But they're not gonna put things
that aren't true in writing
and disseminate it publicly.
- I don't see, if you have two homes,
why it's so outrageous if you would move your family--
- Especially during COVID and with a two-year-old.
- I'm not saying it's outrageous.
My point is, I'm trying to establish
that they were residents of Puerto Rico.
They lived in Puerto Rico.
They moved to Puerto Rico.
You did an Instagram post about moving to Puerto Rico.
So then I understood why he filed in Puerto Rico,
'cause that would be where jurisdiction is.
- He's licensed in California. - So then it wasn't--
- We live in California. We're married in California.
Our voter registration, our driver's license--
- You don't own a house in California.
You own a house in Puerto Rico. I'm just saying.
- If you buy a house--
- Okay, so if you buy a vacation home,
then that's where you live?
- So were you guys flying every ten days for vacation?
- Yeah.
- Noella, what's the status
of your marriage now?
You are officially divorced?
- We are officially divorced.
California is gonna be deciding custody.
The cool thing is, I can get married.
- We've all heard rumors that you've been dating someone new.
- Yes.
- Can you tell us anything about him?
- His name's Bobby.
He's 33.
- Wow.
I heard he bought you a company.
How'd you hear that?
- That's what I heard.
- Okay, fine.
Yes, yes, he bought me
an adult toy marketplace company.
We just got it trademarked.
It's called Playland, and I'm very excited about it.
It was my Christmas present.
- You had been dating a few weeks
and he bought you it for Christmas?
- What can I say? I'm good.
- She has a good stack, apparently.
- But what does a stack of vaginas mean?
Like, to me--
Oh, yeah, it is a--
- Wait, can I see? - It's a stack.
It's really a stack of vaginas.
It's a stack.
Now we know. It's vertical.
- You know the crazy thing, though, is?
He considers anything with anybody cheating,
so I think my stack days are retired.
- Wow.
- Wait, can I ask a question, though?
- It all matched up.
- So was the stack of vaginas, was it just a photograph,
or did he have sex with all three women?
- No, he did not-- again, it was for me
to have sex with these two other women.
He was more the voyeur.
I believe there was, like, a blow job in there, but--
- So the reason to stack them up was...
- Photo op. - For the photo.
- And then you are the symbol. - I wanted that photo.
- Okay, and then you unassembled the stack.
- And then I would have the other two women satisfy...
That's why it was like, it's a birthday gift
kind of concept, because it was something that I had
to plan for, like, a month in advance,
but stack of vaginas.
- Okay, all right, have any of you met Noella's new fella?
- No.
- He's picking me up tonight, so you could see him.
- Congratulations. - Thank you.
- Well, this season, Heather and Shannon's
attempt to start fresh was quickly spoiled
by some old rumors.
And much like a table of untouched sushi,
it seemed that their friendship was quickly going rank.
Watch this.
- So tell me about Heather. - She is funny.
She was walking with a friend who says that she knows me.
- Do you know Shannon Beador?
- Yes, we know each other.
I don't know if she'll remember me.
- I go, "Oh, my God, Nicole Weiss."
And she goes, "No, it's Nicole James."
I don't want this to be the person
that Heather's talking about.
- My girlfriend Nicole--
by the way, that is her maiden name.
You have the right person.
- Shannon told Emily and I
that Nicole sued Terry Dubrow.
- You gonna tell her? - Stop it.
Like, I'm serious right now.
I made a pact.
We keep our mouths closed.
- You sued me.
Why didn't you tell me?
- I was in my 20s. I was pushed by attorneys.
- I really, honestly thought that you and I
had a chance to be friends.
- I'm a very loyal and trustworthy person.
- You're not.
If you ever come after me
or my family ever again,
you are going to lose a lot more
than just my friendship.
This will cost a lot.
And I'm not saying this as a threat.
I'm saying it as a promise.
- Okay, lots to get into there.
Where did the $30,000 of sushi go that night?
Who ate it?
- So a couple of people stayed late.
Noella stayed, and Jen was there.
And then we had them all take it home
to eat themselves, you know. - Okay, got it. Okay, good.
Shannon, Valerie from Aurora, Colorado,
says, "At the beginning of the season,
"you seemed really hopeful about the future
"of your friendship with Heather.
"So why mention the lawsuit with Nicole to Gina and Emily
just as she was coming back into your life?"
- Okay, I didn't know that it was the same girl.
I want to show you, this is the girl that I knew.
Oh, see, I took pictures of myself.
This is the--
- Don't show me anything you don't want me to see.
- No, this is the girl. - Yes.
- So when I heard that Nicole James was on the show,
I'm like, "Oh, I don't know her."
I didn't understand it.
And I thought there's no way
that you guys would be friends.
It just didn't make sense to me.
- So now you found out it is that girl?
- I was hoping there was no lawsuit, because I--
- But who cared? It was 20 years ago...
- But why does it affect you? - And it was dropped.
Who cares?
- Gina brought it up
when you were in the bathroom at Javier's,
going, "Are you gonna tell her?"
And it's like, "Whoa."
- No, I think she said-- - Let's let Gina respond.
- Okay, then Gina respond.
- It's best that you not respond for Gina.
- I was encouraging you to do the right thing.
- And what was the right thing?
- To tell Heather.
It seemed like something that you were trying
to plant or save for later that was gonna be a big deal.
- I'm not gonna bring it up on camera.
- And we would all move on.
- I assume they've worked it out.
- You know what, though, Shannon?
- They've been friends for eight years.
- That's not a fair statement to say
you weren't gonna bring it up on camera.
- Look, look, I get it. I get it.
You think I'm planting stuff
and I'm trying to stir up stuff.
No. I was-- - Yes!
- You think that because you are.
- I'm not done! - Yes!
- Stop interrupting me.
I'm not gonna start yelling this time.
- Okay. - You're yelling right now.
- I'm not. No, because you guys--
the two of you always talk over.
And it's--can I have water?
'Cause I have, like, cotton mouth right now.
- I need a water too. - Okay, well.
- And water's in, guys.
- The water wasn't hydrating my mouth in the trailer.
- All right.
Isn't telling two people who are on the show...
- Who are on the show. - Planting the seed?
- You know how this show works.
You told two people on a show about two
other people on a show at the very beginning of a season.
Did you honestly think that that was never gonna come up?
- I--
- That's bullsh-- to think that.
You know what you did?
You pulled the pin out of the grenade,
and you handed it to Gina and me.
- That's what you did.
- I had no idea it was the same girl.
- Coming up...
- Eight years ago, I knew David was having an affair.
By the way, you knew David was having affair.
The world knew.
- Un-----ing-believable.
- You know what you did?
You pulled the pin out of the grenade,
and you handed it to Gina and me.
That's what you did.
- I had no idea it was the same girl.
- But it doesn't matter. You just talk to the source.
- Okay, but can we take it down to the core of why I was upset?
Because I've gotten a lot of comments,
"You should be blaming Emily and Gina
and not Shannon." - Okay.
- And this is where the bullsh-- comes in.
You could have talked to me. I met with you so many times.
- Yeah, I'm excited to see Nicole again.
I looked on her social media,
and she does not look-- she had, like,
platinum blonde hair when I knew her.
- I know, you were saying that.
But I only know her looking like this, 'cause--
- Oh, really? - Yeah.
- Okay, yeah.
- You had ample opportunity to talk to me and say to me,
"Hey, Heather, you must know that this is"--
and maybe I would have said, "Oh, yeah.
"That was years ago.
It was dropped, no big deal." - I know you, Heather.
- Let me finish. - If I would have said that,
you would have blown up either way.
No, I'm not bringing it up to you.
- You broke the code, Shannon.
No careers, no kids.
This isn't a little side hustle.
I'm not making trucker hats.
This is our bread and butter.
You want to bring up some lawsuit
that could have been potentially damaging
to my husband's career?
Are you out of your mind?
- I told two people, 'cause it didn't make sense.
- I felt so betrayed, because you were the one person--
we left on good terms.
I've texted you over the years,
when you were getting divorced and when I heard things about--
- And why not feel betrayed by Gina and Emily,
who brought it up at the dinner?
- They actually never said anything.
- Can I say something about that?
- Well, hold on. I want to know from--
I want to know from Heather. - So I was angry.
- Okay.
- But they immediately reached out to me and said,
"Can we sit down with you?
Can we talk to you?" And I said yes.
I didn't hear from Shannon for, like, over a week.
- Okay, but first of all, I apologized to you
50 million times and tried to have a conversation,
and you basically left me in your hallway.
So I did try and apologize.
- The reason why I was super pissed that night
and I said it to you, that eight years ago,
I protected your family.
I knew David was having an affair.
By the way, you knew David was having an affair.
The world knew. And it was a--
- Wait a minute. You're telling me that I knew?
- Yes, you guys sat at the reunion,
the perfect couple, "We're so fine.
Everything's fine."
- Look, in the end, Andy, it's all good.
I mean, our marriage is better than ever.
We actually just got back from Hawaii two days ago,
and he said to me, "I am closer to you today
than I was the day after we got married."
- I love Shannon,
and I certainly love my kids, and I love my family.
- And then it was months later when we started
filming again... - How dare you?
- That you went back and said--
- How-- - I'm talking now.
- I found after filming. How dare you?
- That is not true.
You knew at the reunion.
- Un-----ing-believable.
- You knew at the reunion, Shannon.
- I did, because we had been to relationship boot camp
and we were working on our marriage.
- But you pretended like it was all fine.
And I'm saying I could have blown up your family.
I would never do that. - Oh, okay.
- And you-- - Thank you so much, Heather.
- Yes, you're welcome. - Yeah.
- What she's saying is, she knew info about David.
She didn't blow up your life.
She feels that you did blow up her life.
- I didn't know if it was her or not.
And when I realized I made the mistake
of mentioning the possibility,
because I was speculating, because--
- So you started a rumor.
- Just for the record, everybody, let's make it clear.
It's 100% my fault that I had too much to drink one night
and told two girls. - That's your fault.
- That is 100% your fault. - It is my fault.
100% my fault that your dinner party was ruined.
It's 100% my fault that this is out there in the public.
- Nobody's saying that, though, Shannon.
I've already accepted responsibility
for how I missed that.
- Sarah from Nashville said, "Heather,
"Shannon repeatedly apologized to you,
"so where do you come off threatening her
"like some sort of Mob boss?
"I know you said it was a promise, not a threat,
but it still kind of felt like a threat."
- Yeah, all right, so I was very, very upset.
I felt betrayed.
When it comes to my family, I get insane,
because this is my life's blood,
and you don't mess with them.
And so I'm sorry if I came off sounding like a Mafia boss.
- But you threatened my family.
- If you ever come after me
or my family ever again,
you are going to lose a lot more
than just my friendship.
This will cost a lot.
And I'm not saying this as a threat.
I'm saying it as a promise.
- I thought that she would, you know, sue me.
You talk about you get teary-eyed?
That's one thing on this show that gets me teary-eyed,
my kids.
And I have them 100% of the time.
And I have to take care of them.
So I've worked my ass off for five years
to get to where I am now.
And for her to say that to me, that's like,
are you kidding me?
I'm a single mom.
- I know.
But I'll tell you something just for the record,
I would never sue you.
And whatever my words were, 'cause I
was upset and felt very, very betrayed by you,
and that's why I spoke like that.
So I apologize for saying those things
and making you feel that way.
But that would never--
I would never do anything like that.
- Okay.
- All right, well, we're gonna leave it there
and take a break.
We'll be right back.
Coming up...
- I'm here with the Real Housewives of Orange County.
- Hi, sweetie. - Oh, my God.
- Bye, Ben.
- Have a good night, okay?
- Oh!
- Well, this season, as Shane finally passed the bar,
Emily celebrated at all the bars.
Let's take a look as Emily straddled the line
between letting loose and being a loose cannon.
- I read the trial briefs,
and I read the appellate briefs.
- Those are the little things that matter.
- The California Innocence Project
is a group of attorneys who dedicate their time
representing people in prison who are wrongfully convicted.
- The thing that you are doing is so huge for us.
- The world isn't perfect,
and there's a lot of people that need help.
You believe wholeheartedly that when you die,
there's some type of afterlife.
I want my kids to have a good life.
I want them to be happy.
I want them to kind of follow in your footsteps.
Did Daddy tell you Annabelle is gonna get baptized?
- What do I have to do?
- She just has to have a good heart.
- Thank you for being such a good dad.
- Kids mean a lot. - I know.
I don't do anything in moderación.
I'm not a moderación kind of girl.
Three to four tequila shots, I'm good.
- I'm Tequila Emily.
Five to six, I'm gonna some sh-- up.
that little... - I-I--
- Tiny mini little bitch that looks just like me,
except I'm the better version of that.
I had so many shots.
- Come with me. Come with me.
- Does that mean butt sex is possible?
- Okay, I'll let you do that.
- Oh, my gosh.
Louise from Elmont said,
"Emily was so much fun this season.
"I was cracking up when she drunkenly agreed
"to let Shane put it in her butt.
"Gina, what other wild things does Tequila Emily do
that we have no idea about?"
- I mean, I think you've seen a lot of it.
- What else is there?
- Emily, why has it been so important for you
to be the truth teller this year?
- If you feel a certain way about someone,
then you should say it to them.
And so I kind of was the bridge.
And I know that sometimes it doesn't look the best.
But I really don't do it with a malicious intent.
- But if you're gonna do it,
you need to make sure that your translation
isn't misconstrued, exaggerated,
or basically a telephone game.
If you hurt someone's feelings
when you have had too much to drink,
then just say, "I'm sorry.
I don't--I didn't mean to do that."
- I did. We talked about that in Aspen.
You came to me and said-- you said that you were hurt,
and I said, "You know what, Shannon?
That was not my intent,"
and I apologized.
- Dayu from Paterson, New Jersey, said, "Emily,
"as a nonreligious mother of religious children,
"I totally related to your support of Annabelle's baptism.
"But do you worry she'll listen to Mormon teachings
more than she listens to you?"
- No, I--you know, I feel like there are so many great things
about the religion that you can pull from it
and it can enhance your life.
And the other things that I disagree with,
I'm their mother, and I'm strong and I'm opinionated,
and so they get the best of both worlds.
They get some religion from their father,
and then I feel like I kind of balance that out
with another perspective.
- Emily, Bryce from Baltimore wants to know,
"What's up next for you with the Innocence Project?
"It's really cool that you're putting your degree
to such amazing use." - Yeah--
- I agree, what a great project.
- Thank you.
I have some fundraisers coming up.
And then, you know, I do case review
when I can find the time.
It's really about me-- it's about bringing
awareness and raising money.
- And, Emily, I said I'd be an expert witness
for if you need any medical... - I will give them--
I will tell them, yeah. - Expertise on that, so...
- Emily, you said that you have a better relationship
with your dad these days.
What does that look like?
- Well, it's not a lot.
I was very driven growing up, 'cause my dad wasn't around.
I went to law school.
I just needed to prove that I was worthy.
And that came from feeling abandoned, 100%.
It's very minimal, but--
I'm sorry.
- So sorry. - I'm sorry, Emily.
- As I get older--
and I don't see my dad very much
or talk to him very much, but when I do,
it almost makes me more sad... - Yeah.
- Because he's a really cool guy.
Like, he plays guitar,
and, like, he has a ponytail.
- He's cool. - I mean, he's cool.
He's a cool guy.
And that's almost worse.
It's like, sometimes I wish he was, like, a jerk,
'cause then I could be like,
"Oh, I'm so glad he's not in my life."
- Could you get to know him better?
Is he open to that?
- It's just hard because there wasn't a foundation.
You know, as a child, I didn't see him much.
- Do you think he watches the show?
- I know he watches the show,
so it makes me sad sometimes when I--
- Almost like you were robbed of that, too, essentially.
- 'Cause I don't want to hurt anyone,
but I also want to be truthful about the way I feel.
- And it hurts her a lot.
- She was my first text message when I found out
about my father's passing.
And it's because we had a lot of conversations about fathers
and wanting to integrate them into our lives
for their grandchildren.
And I was like, "Just please learn from my mistake
and just reach out if you can." - Mm-hmm.
- 'Cause if you have someone that's willing
to do that in your life--
- I know that you're mourning the loss of what you had
with him as a child, but maybe you were
meant to come together now.
And I think the fact that he watches the show right now...
- He does.
- Is actually really touching to me, because he's...
- It's adorable. - He never misses it.
- Actually getting a window into your life
that he never would have.
And maybe that really says something,
that he watches the show.
- I mean, I would love to have more of a relationship with him
and get to know him more.
It's hard for me. I think I'm very stubborn.
And I'm kind of stuck in a "you weren't there" mode.
And it's hard for me to get out of that.
And I need to get unstuck from that
and just make more of an effort myself.
- Right.
Seems like whatever you do,
you're gonna have to reconcile what you didn't have.
- Yeah.
- Have you ever talked to him about that
and how you feel about it?
- I've never really had a conversation
about anything real.
And so-- - Maybe it's time.
- Maybe, yeah.
- All right, well, we're gonna leave it there.
We're gonna be right back with more
from the Real Housewives of Orange County after this.
Coming up...
- Can we--this is between us.
- That's ridiculous. - That's not true.
- And again, I apologized.
Should I do it three times?
- Why are you talking to me like that?
I just had an opinion, that was it.
I'm not allowed to talk?
- We've got a bit of a delayed cue.
Here we go.
- I'm watching your nipples. - Thank you.
Let me know. - Okay.
We're not paying for any more pixelation.
- Like, that right one's dangerously close there.
- Okay, and quiet as possible, please.
- Which one? This one? - No, the other one.
- Here we come. - Great.
- Live shot in five, four.
Gonna see you in three, two.
- After years of setbacks, this season, Gina
was finally thriving, driving,
and looking all glowed up.
Let's watch.
- You still have a demon? - I don't know.
I just feel weird. - Did you need an exorcism?
- I haven't slept.
- We'll get someone in and we'll fix it.
- Yup, yup.
- Ooh.
- Yeah, it's a little--
it's a little creepy-crawly.
We're gonna be fine.
Go.
- So funny when you put the pillow--
- I know. I was trying not to laugh.
- I want you to say, "This contract is complete."
- This contract is complete.
Honestly, at this point, I don't care
if this sh--'s for real or not.
I feel great.
- Let those arms lengthen out. Elbows here.
- I call this one the vagina ripper.
- One, two, three.
- That looks great, Dr. Jen.
I'm gonna be doing selfies for days.
New face, who dis?
I would never have imagined
a year ago that I would be going
to the orthodontist with Matt.
- They were, like, excited to come to the dentist.
Did something right.
- Yeah, we did that right for sure, yeah.
- Without police intervention. - Without police intervention.
Oh, and then my veil's in here.
- Say goodbye. Give it a kiss.
Wish it well. - Mwah.
You're gonna make some other bride very happy and hot.
The last few years of my life, personally,
have been very, very hard.
Every person in this room means so much to me.
Trav, I just really appreciate you
for always supporting me and loving me
through everything.
I don't think that I would feel this whole about myself
if he wasn't such a supportive, loving partner.
And he's from Orange County.
I never would have thought.
- Aw, what made you seek out that spiritual extraction?
- The night we came home from Cabo,
it was, like, the middle of the night, and I shot up,
and I look over at my door, and I saw something.
I couldn't sleep after that.
And I just knew something was off.
- Did you really feel better after?
- I did.
I had a physical reaction in my body the whole way.
I started sweating. She was, like, working it up.
It was the weirdest thing,
'cause I don't want to believe in this stuff, but I...
- But you do. - Do, yeah.
- Wow. - Yeah.
- All right, let's switch gears.
Brianna from Duluth, Minnesota, said,
"Gina, it was so nice seeing you and Matt
"not only co-parent this season but also laugh with each other.
How are things between the two of you today?"
- You know what? I'm really proud of that.
And I'm really happy about that, because it was--
it sucked, and it was really hard.
And it wasn't flawless, but we both did,
like, what we needed to do for our children
to get on board.
And things are-- they just keep getting better.
- That's amazing. I mean... - Yeah.
- You cannot discount the fact
that you had to make a legal statement against him
for domestic battery. - Mm-hmm.
- So how do you go from making that statement
to where you are now?
- You know what?
It's almost like I was so--
we were stuck before I made the statement.
We were stuck in that time.
- Right.
- And it was the hardest thing I ever had to do.
But it honestly ended up being the best thing,
I think, for both of us.
I think it's something I had to say,
and it's something he had to hear.
And I think, if anything, it kind of just,
like, made Matt even more,
you know, accountable and show up more.
And even though we're not together, you know,
everybody says co-parent, but I feel
like my kids just have their parents,
even though we're not married. - That's great.
Well, it was really brave of you to do.
- Yeah.
- It shows what a strong woman you are.
- Thank you.
- Shannon, you and David really went through it
during your marriage and then during your divorce.
How would you describe your relationship with your ex now?
- It's nonexistent, and nothing has changed,
no communication whatsoever.
- Lee from Sydney said, "Gina, I'm divorced myself,
"and I'm dreading introducing my ex to my new boyfriend.
How do Matt and Travis get along?"
- Great now, but I'm not gonna lie,
it's not like-- it's not fun at first.
That's a step you got to take
and you got to get through it.
And I think--you know what?
Travis helps a lot with that stuff,
because he's all focused, dialed in
on what's good for the kids,
what's good for everybody.
- You put a timeline of one to three years
on when the two of you might get hitched.
Give us the dirt.
When is he gonna get down on one knee?
- I don't know, and honestly, for us,
it's like, we would be married today, you know.
But we have six kids,
and we both went through bad divorces,
and we have to build back up financially.
- Right. - And for me, it's not--
the first wedding, I was a kid, you know.
I'm an adult. We have to pay for this wedding.
We have to pay for six kids to go to college in--
so when we get to that point,
it will happen when it's right,
but we have some rebuilding to do
before we can make that commitment to each other.
- Julia from Oklahoma City said, "Gina,
"I've always loved your relationship with Emily.
"But you and Heather were giving me life this season.
What is it that cemented your bond?"
- I honestly--and I know this is so whatever,
but it's the New Yorker vibe, you know?
- You know, like, you meet someone, it's like,
"Where'd you go to school? Where'd you this?
Where'd you have a hot dog? Where'd you"--
- Yeah.
- "Where'd you go to summer camp?"
You know, it's-- - Right, delis and carbs.
- All right, let's take a break.
We'll be back with more
from the Real Housewives of Orange County reunion
after this.
Coming up...
- I believe that friendship is a two-way street.
And you've been gunning for me, and what's so interesting--
- Gunning for you?
I don't gun for anybody, Shannon.
- It's so cold. - It's like I can't breathe.
- Hey, buddy.
- I'm in California, yes.
- I'm here with the Real Housewives of Orange County.
I'm working.
Do you want to say hi to some Housewives?
- Say hi. - Hi, sweetie. How are you?
- Oh, my gosh.
- Say hi to these ladies.
- Bye, Ben.
Bye, but you're so handsome.
- All right, I love you, buddy.
Have a good night, okay?
- Aw! - Love you.
- I miss those voices.
- I'll see you tomorrow, okay?
Bye.
- And here we go, standing by, three, two.
- We are back with the ladies of the OC.
Well, while one's house was too big
and the other's was too small,
their friendship was just right.
But did Gina and Heather's fairy-tale friendship
make certain Housewives a bit jealous?
- Oh, boy. - Let's watch.
Want to watch this, Shannon? - Yeah. Ready.
- I was telling my mom about you today.
- Really? - Yeah.
- I was like, "I met this girl from New York."
My accent's fully back.
I love that I'm becoming such good friends with Gina.
So I want to help her think of me as her fairy god-Heather.
- Did you bring me clothes?
- A little bit.
- Oh, my God, so cute.
I love that.
- You know what? We're going to New York.
You should come with us.
- I would love to do that.
As Gina would say, I want all the things.
- I want all the things. - Cheers.
- I want all the things.
Cheers, it's the best cheers ever.
- Do you get jealous of Gina's relationship with Heather?
- No.
I hope for you that you can get to my level.
- Let's praise. Let's hope.
Let's hope we can jump up to the bar.
- What the hell? - I'm done.
- Gina, put a pin in your ego. - I will. I'll clean it up.
I'm gonna clean it up. - You're a ----ing asshole.
- I wore lead shoes here
just to make sure I stayed on the ground.
- Unbe-----ing-lievable. - Yeah.
- Shannon, what did it mean to you
to have Gina's parents thank you for your help
with the attorneys?
- Well, it was super sweet.
Your parents were very kind.
I talked to them for a long time.
- I was happy that my parents said thank you to you.
- Right.
- It meant a lot to them, because they were there
and they hadn't seen you, literally,
since that phone call. - Right.
When Gina and I sat down, she said,
"You know, it hurts my feelings that you brought up my DUI."
And I said to you, "I hear you, and I apologize,
and I'm not gonna talk about your DUI again."
Do you remember me saying that? - I know you did.
- I did say that. - She did say--
- Because you say on the show that I don't take
accountability, but it's like, "Jesus,
I can't ----ing talk about it, 'cause Gina's gonna go off."
You know? You-- I feel as though--
- That's ridiculous. - That's not true.
- Can we--this is between us, Emily.
- I just--well, I'm not allowed to have an opinion
about what you said?
It's one thing when her parents thank you
and you're talking about it.
It's another when you're with Heather and then you--
- And again, I-- again, I apologized.
Should I do it three times?
- Why are you talking to me like that?
I just had an opinion, that was it.
I'm not allowed to talk? - Okay, but I--
there are multiple times where I have gone what I
consider to be above and beyond
what I would do for most people.
And I don't expect things to be tit for tat and even.
But at the same time, I believe that friendship
is a two-way street.
And you've been gunning for me, and what's so interesting--
- Gunning for you?
I don't gun for anybody, Shannon.
I mean, you sound ridiculous.
- Your first season, it was--you've not made
an effort to get to know me.
I was going through a ----ing horrible divorce.
- No, Shannon.
- You did--no. You made zero effort.
- This is outrageous.
You went through a divorce two years later,
which consumed you.
- Right, and I was able to still make friendships, though.
I was able to still communicate with people.
- When I have my kids 100% of the time
and I'm getting blasted--
- I did it when I was going through my divorce too.
- I don't have the good fortune that you have.
- Oh, I had really good fortune.
That's right. - Let me finish.
- I had such good fortune. - This is what you do.
You always cut people off.
So in this reunion... - You do the same thing.
- I'll probably lose my voice because I stop,
and I wait until there's a logical break.
- You're gonna lose your voice because you did too many
ding-dong things this year,
and now you're coming to pay the piper.
- Next week, the reunion concludes.
Dr. Jen, you're the expert.
Who here had the best work done?
- Such a loaded question.
- Come on.
- Don't walk on eggshells with me.
I'm tough.
- Well, it sounds like maybe you're not that tough.
- You were there, like, throwing Nicole under the bus,
like, really firing Emily up.
- Was I? I was not at all.
That's not even true.
- Don't make me say it, Heather.
I don't want to say it. My hands are shaking.
My voice is shaking. both: Say what?
- Say what?
- You have the audacity to say,
"Do you even have any friends, Shannon?"
That is mean-spirited.
- You know what's mean-spirited?
Watching John
tell me I could go myself,
how aggressive he was towards me.
- Oh, my gosh.