- Tonight "The Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion" concludes.
- Ooh.
- Did you tell people that Gina had an inflated ego?
- You knock me down, I get right back up is what I mean.
- Okay. Then be ready for the jabs.
- If drama was a drug, you would be a pharmacy.
[laughter]
- Bridget is worried that Ryan loves
Mr. Poppers more than you.
[laughter]
Wow.
- You know, despite our differences
my heart broke for you when your father passed.
I just wanted to, like, hug you and protect you.
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
- Thank you.
- The surgeon called John and said,
"I've never cut more skin out of a neck
in my entire career than I have for Shannon."
- My reunion prep was a colonoscopy.
I thought I was gonna be skinnier.
The sky is blue.
The grass is green. Noella is a liar.
- Don't make me say it, Heather. I don't wanna say it.
My hands are shaking. My voice is shaking.
both: Say what? - Say what?
- You were so controlling of the friend group
that nobody could be nice to me.
- Yeah, it's all me, Noella.
- I was trying to help you have a breakthrough.
- Okay. All right. All right.
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- There are multiple times where I have gone
what I consider to be above
and beyond what I would do for most people.
And you have the audacity to say,
"Do you even have any friends, Shannon?"
That is the most cruel,
egotistical, arrogant thing to say to somebody.
- Why would it upset you if she ask if you have friends?
- Because she was saying,
"Do you even have any friends, Shannon?"
Saying that I wasn't a nice person.
That is mean-spirited.
- That's mean-spirited? You know what's mean-spirited?
Watching John.
Tell me I could go basically (BLEEP) myself.
How aggressive he was towards me...
- At that house. - At your home.
- Okay. (BLEEP) her. (BLEEP) Gina.
That is the most ridiculous comment.
(BLEEP) her. She's not your friend. We're done with her.
- That was horrible.
- It was a buildup of him-- - Of what?
I never did anything to him at all.
- What did you think of his behavior?
- He was defending me.
- He can defend you without saying--
- Listen to me.
I'm concerned for you if that's how he defends you.
- You know what? You know what?
Stop with your ----ing allegations.
- No man I know would ever act like that.
- Wow.
- It is what it is, Shannon. What do you mean wow?
- What could triggering?
- He was so disrespectful, and you should not be
letting him speak about your friends like that.
- She also comes from an abusive relationship.
- I understand that.
- That could be very triggering.
- That is not supporting someone.
- There was a accumulation
of me saying things to him that hurt me.
- Did you tell people that Gina had an inflated ego?
- When I was told that she thought
that I was jealous of her, that's when...
- That's what you said.
- I said, I put a pin to deflate the ego.
- By the way, do you know what putting a pin in it means?
- I thought you put a pin in it and deflate.
- No. You put a pin it to take
a break from discussing something.
- Okay. Well, I learned something today.
- I just want to clarify the friend thing.
I'm gonna clarify the friend thing.
So I was trying to prove a point.
I wasn't trying to be rude.
- You guys were laughing at the finale party.
- [laughs]
- [indistinct].
- But these are friends I never met before.
- I know. I know.
- Maybe they're hired actors. - Oh, that's a core friend?
Why haven't they--why haven't they made out before?
Go back.
- That was just a joke. It's a joke.
- But it's hurtful. - I'll give you this.
Maybe we don't--we joke a lot.
- I've been making fun of her hair for four years.
- By the way, don't walk on eggshells with me. I'm tough.
- Well, it sounds like maybe you're not that tough.
- You knock me down, I get right back up is what I mean.
- Okay. Then be ready for the jabs.
- No. No. - All right.
So where do you and Gina stand now?
- I can be--get along and have fun if she's here.
It's not--it's not gonna cause tension
and ruin everybody's time. - Okay.
It kind of sounds like she's saying she can be
in the same room with Gina and it will be fine.
- We don't have to be besties.
- I didn't mean it that harsh.
'Cause you and I did have fun together this season.
- We do, and I do care about you.
And if I joke on you or whatever,
I do that to everybody.
And if that bothers you, like, I can work on that.
- Well, I appreciate that.
And on behalf of John, I apologize,
because he is not proud of what he said.
But I know where it was coming from is out of his love for me.
- Okay. Shannon, you'll be happy
to know I'm gonna put a pin in it.
- Okay.
[laughter]
- This season when Noella wasn't fighting
for her marriage, she seemed to be fighting
with almost all the women in the group.
Put your dukes up and get ready for Noella versus everybody.
[laughter]
- I just had the worst week of my life so far.
- I just reached out to you to ask if you need--
- And you are a rude little girl.
[bell dings]
I could feel a certain energy
from you that you're a little thirsty.
- Crock pot in a thing.
- Grown women don't whisper in each other's ears.
- I just wouldn't want you to come here
and, like, whisper things to people.
I guess that's what I'm (BLEEP) doing now.
But I'm not whispering. - Okay, listen.
[bell dings]
- You're not gonna raise it. - [humming]
- You're so mad at me. - I feel a betrayal with you.
- But what did I do to betray you?
I don't really know
how to handle my friendship with Noella.
- She's such a dick all the time.
It's like she's such a dick all the time.
[bell dings]
- What is going on? - I'm sorry, Noella.
I'm not allowed to ask questions.
- Clearly I'm not allowed to talk about my divorce.
- It's all you talk about.
I like Noella, but she also can be suffocating.
- We compared notes. - No.
- Sure.
- Now you are a ----ing liar, because that's not true.
[bell dings]
- I found out that I was a pity invite.
- That is not true. I didn't want to invite you,
because you gave my daughter pornography as a gift.
And I felt uncomfortable.
- Wait. What?
I am a bisexual, biracial,
liberal freaking woman who lives in Orange County.
Don't you dare tell me that I'm inappropriate.
- No, no, no. - I'm not saying...
- Don't you no, no, no me. - You were inappropriate.
- She's not saying you're saying inappropriate.
- I'm saying your gift was.
- Wow. - Okay.
- But there was no Shannon in there. So it's not everyone.
- She was the one constant support during this crazy year.
- Well, the bad blood between you and Jen
was practically instantaneous.
Jen, what was your first impression of Noella?
- I don't think we started off very well.
When we went to Heather's party,
you came off very pretentious to me.
So I felt like there was an energy between us
that I wanted to clear up.
Suing somebody and coming to their house,
you need to talk to them at the right time.
- I don't know if that chapter's in "Emily Post."
I know that you're throwing, like, gasoline on this fire
that I'm trying to put out
so Heather's dinner party could be salvaged.
I really wanted all of us to come back together
and sit at the table and eat the freaking Wagyu.
And you were there, like, throwing Nicole under the bus,
like, really firing Emily up.
And that was just, like, "Gosh. I knew she was a--"
- That's not at all. That's not even true.
You literally just make stuff up.
You literally just make sh-- up, Noella.
I cannot freaking--it's like talking to a child
that just makes stuff up.
You just make it up. - You--you--
- Nicole fired me up. It wasn't Jen.
- Yeah, Nicole fired her up.
- Michael from Eureka Spring said, "Noella, I've heard some
"silly reasons to dislike someone.
"But hating Jen for posting a poorly lit picture of herself
and tagging you in it takes the gluten-free cake."
What's the deal with tagging in the picture?
- You was acting as if we were like this close friendship.
- No, I don't think we're close friends.
- And why am I being rude to you?
- I was not acting that way at all.
- Noella told me a lot of times people get offers
to get treatments done by a med spa.
- Okay.
- And then you kind of post for them.
And your explanation to me was, "I work with a med spa,
and then Jen is tagging me."
- Why didn't you just untag yourself?
- And that's fine. But you just untag yourself.
- I did. And I'd never had done that before,
so that was malicious.
- I don't think it was malicious.
- No. She said thank you to all of my clients.
And I've never been to her med spa.
And at that point, I had heard things about her med spa
that really made me feel like I don't necessarily
want to be associated with that.
- Let's not talk about people's medical practices.
- That's, like, really inappropriate.
You've never been to my place.
You've never even been a patient or any family member.
- It's a small town, and I heard things.
- That is so inappropriate.
- Harmony from Saint Cloud, Minnesota,
wants Heather to explain to us,
"What you're problem is with Noella.
I'm not sure I understand why you hate her so much."
- Oh, my gosh. I do not hate Noella.
The problem has been from the get-go when I barely knew you,
and I invited you over to my house,
because I had heard you'd call me a fake bitch.
By the way, I'm not a narcissist.
And my studio is my studio.
Is your studio--do you have pictures of yourself?
- Everywhere.
- Do you have your name everywhere?
- Yes. But I'm also a narcissist.
I mean, I would say everyone here is a narcissist.
- Okay. To a certain level you're probably right.
- Here we are. The cameras are there.
We are here.
- You went out of your way... - No, no.
- To say really nasty things to try
and make me out to be a liar.
- Well, you are a liar. - And that was my issue.
- No, no, no. That's--that's axiomatic.
- And therein lies the rub. - The sky is blue.
The grass is green. Noella is a liar.
- Don't make me say it, Heather.
I don't want to say it. My hands are shaking.
My voice is shaking. both: Say what?
- Say what?
♪ ♪
- No. Don't make me say it, Heather. I don't want to say it. My hands are shaking.
My voice is shaking. both: Say what?
- Say what?
- What the accusations were.
- What? - Let's go through 'em.
- I said the Nicole James lawsuit, and then--
- Hold on. What's the Nicole James Lawsuit?
- Oh, so I was on the other line when you called Nicole.
- I didn't call Nicole.
- She told me she was botched
and it was a really bad experience by her husband
and that she ultimately did follow through with a lawsuit,
and she got "a lot of money" out of it.
That's what she told me.
- Uh-huh. Well, that's-- - Then you called--
- No, no, no, wait. Pause on that.
You cannot hurtle accusations. What you don't understand
is that when you get a settlement from a doctor
it is reported to the California Medical Board.
- That is true.
- There is no hiding a settlement.
- True. - That is not a thing.
- There's NDAs in place.
- No, not with doctors.
- Not with malpractice.
- Again, I was listening to my friend.
- I'm telling you, it is 1,000% not true.
That didn't happen.
- And I have to assume happen if she didn't drop her case
and there was a settlement, I have to assume that you A,
wouldn't be trying to get her on the show, and B,
that Terry would remember her from--
- Would be more aware.
- By the way, I know we're wealthy.
But do you think I wouldn't remember writing a check?
- I do. Yes, I think--yeah, I think so.
- I mean, the fact that you didn't know
that she had sued your husband
to begin with kind of shocked me.
- Because it was a dropped something.
It wasn't a big deal. She filed and dropped it.
- You literally asked me why I had a tainted opinion.
- Listen to me.
- And I was listening to my best friends tell me something.
- No, I understand what you heard from Nicole.
But what you're accusing me of--I understand that.
But what you're accusing me of is trying to bury something.
And I'm going, "Bury what?"
I didn't--you told me I strong-armed her.
Like, strong-armed her into what?
- Into not discussing the lawsuit on the show.
- It was already discussed. The damage was already done.
There was nothing else to talk about.
- We've been talking for 45 minutes now.
- You stopped the conversation.
In the podcast when you stopped the conversation you just said,
"Look the camera's here. We're not discussing this."
- Well, of course, Noella. I don't want a lawsuit
about my husband being continuously brought up.
It's obviously not great.
- I just--I wish you could've said this in the podcast.
I wish that instead of just saying, "I cancel you.
You're dead to me."
- You said, "I saw a different side of you that night
when you were slamming people against walls."
And you saw me I went, "What?
What are you talking about? That didn't happen."
- You never said that. - Yes, I did.
- You didn't say that. - Roll the tape.
- Slamming people against walls?
- I heard it. I was right near the staircase, but there was--
- What are you talking about slamming against walls?
I didn't slam anyone against a wall.
- Okay. I saw you push a cameraman.
I saw you rage.
- You changed your story every five seconds,
and none of it ever happened. Let's start with that.
- You didn't rage? You didn't push a camera?
- No, no. Rage, yes. But that's not what you said.
You said I slammed people against walls,
that I was physically abusive.
- That is--that is what I heard.
- You're accusing her of something that you said first
that you saw with your own eyes.
- Yeah.
- And then you said someone told you that it happened.
- But you heard it. - You didn't see it.
You heard it. - I actually, I saw her
with my own eyes going off on people and going crazy.
- So what?
- Literally we are camera down
or camera that way. You're fine.
- That's been established. That's been established.
- I didn't think that that was that embarrassing.
- Yes. And by the way--and by the way--
- I'm willing to admit that. - That's what I said.
- If the cameras were rolling when she was doing that,
it would've been shown.
- Yes. - I'm sorry to tell you.
- Yes.
- And I'm sorry to tell you that it would've been.
- But you perpetuated it all season long.
- I didn't talk about it with anybody.
- You talked about it with everyone.
- You talked about it with me.
- All of Aspen was this. - Excuse me.
I think you might have brought it up in Aspen.
- She did. Yeah. - It was--but it was
because it was based on what the game was
and what we were talking about...
- I know, but I'm just-- - And I was reacting
to what she said. I called her a liar.
- I know. But I'm just pointing it out to you that you did.
- You don't say things that are hurtful?
- What have I said that's hurtful?
- Oh, I don't know,
that I slam people against the wall.
- Are we going there?
- I want to talk about the card game.
Lucy from Miami said, "Heather, your daughter's 17 years old.
"I'm pretty sure she's heard some bad language before.
So what's the big deal?"
- We actually have the game, but she's opening it up
in front of all of her, you know, school friends.
- Why would open it up if she knew what it was?
- Because it's, like--
- But, Noella, did you know what the card said?
- 100%, no. But you knew what the cards were.
Like, I had no idea. - I wasn't--
- I think that she'd be a good enough parent to be like,
"Don't read this in front
of your Catholic school girlfriend."
- Noella, I wasn't standing over her
when she was standing--when she was opening gifts.
Don't comment on my parenting.
- She plays the game. She plays the game.
- I would walk-- tread very lightly.
- Nobody commented on your parenting.
- 'Cause you just said a good-- - Your just calling me
practically, like, a sexual predator.
So what are you putting it out there to the universe?
- By the way, you're very offended
by the word "pornography." There's nothing--it's just--
- Because it's not pornography. - Really?
I think Merriam-Webster would beg to differ.
- Patrick from Omaha said, "Emily, you've always been
"my favorite, but I think you went too far
"arguing with Noella this season.
"I know she talked about her divorce a lot,
but isn't that what friends are for?"
- You know, I don't think I went too far.
First of all, Jen was trying to talk,
and Noella never let her have a moment.
And I was really trying to connect with Jen, because--
- That's not true. - No, it is true.
Because I had been there, and I kept trying
to have a conversation with her about something meaningful
about marriage and relationships.
And you just kept bringing up things about your divorce,
and it just seemed very inappropriate.
So you're willing to do whatever it takes?
- Yes.
- Therapy, whatever. Let's make it work.
- No.
You're making it seem like she's weeping in a corner.
- So I was trying to-- - I was weeping.
- When you said to her, "It's all you talk about."
You were, like, yelled it and it--
- 'Cause she was at her wits' end.
I was. I was.
- But when you say, "It's all you talk about."
- It is all she talks about.
Well, and Heather assaulting people.
- I'm talking as a woman whose husband just left
to a woman whose husband just left.
What do you have to do with that conversation?
Butt out.
- Shiloh from Sparks, Nevada, said,
"Gina, your friendship with Noella started strong,
"but it took a pretty hard turn for the worse.
"What was it that really tore you apart?
And what would it take to repair things?"
- For me, it just has to be slow and steady.
I feel like, you know what?
I was there the day that she found out everything.
And that was the first time I hung out with her.
And I remember driving home,
and this is--I don't mean this in a negative way.
But I was, like, actually having her over.
I was, like, excited. 'Cause I was like,
"Oh, Noella is so sad. I'm gonna cheer her up.
"I'm gonna do--we're gonna do fun things.
I want to do fun things." So I jumped in two feet.
And so for me it just was a little bit too much.
And I chose to take a step back to guard myself.
- It's a lot. Listen, did I become
extra-needy, paranoid, and with anxiety made me--like,
I looked back, and I cringe.
Like, I'm just like, "Who was that person?"
- Well, it was probably the worst part of your life.
- It was the worst part.
It was the worst part of my life.
And to have to relive it,
just to have your life, like, fall apart
and to be in the situation where you don't know
if you're making the right decision for your family,
for your mental health, for your financial future,
and that you girls were instantly like a sisterhood
for me that I really--like, and I know leaned hard.
And I know that I was a lot.
- That's okay. I can take a lot.
- But I really--there was genuine love there,
and I love--and I always
am gonna appreciate you guys for that.
So I missed you.
- I just turtle-shelled a bit,
because it became too much for me.
- It was a lot. Yeah.
- And I was going into self-preservation mode.
- Noella, if you could start the season all over again...
- Yeah.
- Would you do anything differently?
- I probably wouldn't have done this show if I knew
that this was coming for real.
- Really? - Yeah.
- But do you think you'd still be married?
- I wouldn't have put this all out there.
♪ ♪
- Coming up...
Nina from Spokane says, "Shannon, you've said
"that you're having the best sex of your life
now that you're with John. What's the secret, girl?"
- Oh, my gosh.
- Welcome back to "The Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion."
I'm Andy Cohen. Rosie from Phoenix said,
"Heather, you took Jen and Emily to the sauna
"for a relaxing girls' day
only to have Emily bust out a turkey sandwich."
- Oh, my God. I feel like I'm gonna pass out.
- Are you eating a sandwich?
- Yeah, is that wrong?
- We're detoxing. - It's turkey.
- What part of detoxing does she not understand?
- I mean, it's kind of like eating on the toilet.
- Emily, you got that tampon?
- I do, but I can't find toilet paper.
- You need a sandwich? - I would like a sandwich.
- Oh, my God. - She did. She took a sandwich.
- That's my nightmare. - I was hungry.
- Emily likes a sandwich, and I appreciate that about you.
- Danielle from O'Fallon, Missouri, said,
"Dr. Jen, you're the expert.
Who here had the best work done?"
- Such a loaded question.
- Come on. - I know.
- Shannon, you look great. Actually, you look very lifted.
- I had facelift five weeks ago.
- What?
- Yeah, I could tell. - That looks nice.
- That's a total Vicky move.
- Do you want to see my incisions from my--
- No, I don't.
- No, they're good. Look at how good they are.
They're little dots. - I don't want to see.
I don't want to see. I don't want to see anything.
- I was gutted. - Okay.
- That's why I feel puffy. - Okay.
- And then the surgeon called John and said,
"I ever cut more skin out of a neck
in my entire career than I have for Shannon."
- My reunion prep was a colonoscopy.
I thought I was gonna be skinny.
I'm not even joking. That's right.
- I just worked out.
- Heather, you said you pull your hair into a high pony
so you don't have to get a facelift.
- Yeah. - Any other tricks
you've learned as the wife of a plastic surgeon?
- Well, I do like, you know, some sculptra.
And I like some Botox, and I do those, like,
little maintenance things. Whatever makes you happy
and makes you feel confident that's what you do.
- I've been CoolSculpting like nobody's business.
- Really? - Yes.
- I've done Botox, filler, laser since the show wrapped.
And I would love to do some threads right after.
- Okay. - That's my plan.
- After years of navigating
the rough waters of heartbreak and divorce,
Shannon Storms is redefining what it means
to be smooth sailing. Take a look.
- Life for me continues to be great.
I'm just a lot busier. Oh, my God.
These pants are no bueno. These are not good.
- Shannon.
- I just had to iron myself little.
- What are you doing? You're going to burn yourself.
- No, I'm good.
- Not Mom. - Not Mommy.
Not Mommy. - Not Mommy.
I was in a marriage that wasn't healthy.
And my kids saw that. Why are you angry?
- 'Cause I see how much stress
you're under and how it's a lot.
- Well, I don't want you to stress out.
- Well, it's your problem.
There's nothing I can do to control
any of your problems. And I know that.
- I am driven more than ever. I'll do whatever it takes,
because I'm not going to let my children down again.
You guys are growing up.
Sometimes it's a lot for me to think about.
- You'll be all alone.
- Solo. - Solo.
- I don't want to be alone. I mean, I'm happy with John.
When my kids go to school, we'll be both empty-nesters.
We gotta get a cleat here.
- Throw it onto the bow.
- I have so many good things happening for me right now.
It's, like, it's everything that I've ever wanted.
- Get that bow line under control.
That doesn't look good.
- We've never experienced this level of intimacy
with any other partner.
I didn't know, you know,
some of this stuff was possible.
- Your libido's not low. That's one area you're okay.
- I know, but why is that? - That's because of me.
[laughter]
- Gee, you're right.
You could be right.
- All right.
You know, after everything you've been through,
it seems like you are really embracing life
as a single mom and a businesswoman.
What advice would you give yourself
when you joined this show to-- - Oh, wow.
- Or what would you say to that person?
- You know, that there is life beyond,
and you can succeed on your own.
And you don't need anybody.
I just thought that I was trapped in this life
and that accept it. Put a smile on your face,
and this is as good as it's gonna get.
- Heather, you've known Shannon the longest.
How has she changed?
- Oh, my gosh, so much more confident.
So independent. I'm very proud of you.
- Thank you. - I get emotional.
But I can't imagine what it's like to be
in a relationship like that.
Extract yourself however it happened.
But you gave 100%.
You love your family, and look at you.
You're doing amazing. - Thank you.
- You're doing amazing, sweetie.
- Thank you.
- You and David really went through it during your marriage
and then during your divorce.
How would you describe your relationship with your ex now?
- It's nonexistent, and nothing has changed.
- And do you ever run into either of them?
- No. No. It's weird.
- It's weird for such a small town.
We really--you don't run into people.
- No.
- Scarlet from Hoover, Alabama, said,
"Shannon, Sophie said that her boyfriend gives her
what she never had at home growing up."
- It's everything that I've never
got to experience as a kid.
- And that breaks my heart.
- Sometimes I feel like, "Oh, I don't deserve it."
- You shouldn't think that way.
- What do you think she meant by that,
and how did it make you feel?
- I thought I was doing the right thing,
and I feel so guilty for the lessons
and the relationship
that I emulated for my children to learn from.
Sophie had a tough time in high school,
and she's so happy in Texas.
And she's in a relationship with a great kid.
They're at my house right now.
And he treats her with nothing but kindness and respect.
And she says, "Like, I know how it's supposed to be."
- Wow. - And I just hope
that all my kids can get to that space.
- Leilani from San Diego said, "Shannon,
"you struggled for years to get over your divorce.
"You have seemed to have found a great man in John,
but he's avoiding talking about marriage."
- Shannon and I, we're totally committed to each other.
We're in no hurry to get married.
- How does that feel? - We do talk about it,
but it's not something that we need to rush to do.
We're happy. And I have two kids
that are gonna be home for another year and a half.
So I'm not doing anything right now.
- He knows that. - Do want to get married again?
- Absolutely. Yeah, I do. - You do.
- Mm-hmm.
- Olivia from Lewiston, Maine, said,
"Gina, how did you feel when Travis had a ready answer
to Terry's questions about marriage?"
- The whole nuptial thing,
is that a thing in the near future?
- I would say Gina and I would probably get married
before John and Shannon.
- Oh, I want a date. - Like me you're--
- But John didn't. Is Shannon barking up the wrong tree?
- I was happy Travis had a response,
but I don't think that means a negative thing for Shannon.
I just, you know-- - It doesn't.
- Nina from Spokane says, "Shannon, you've said
"that you're having the best sex of your life
now that you're with John. What's the secret, girl?"
- Oh, my gosh.
I mean, it's just--you know, some of it's in your head.
When you're happy and you're with someone,
you know, everything is better.
It was just kind of a nonexistent act
in my prior life. - Right.
- So it's a little bit different now.
- Maria from Toronto said, "Shannon, I think
"it's really sweet that you and John
"are not interested in a threesome,
but I have to know, who's your celebrity hall pass?"
- I know this may sound crazy, but I've never thought of it.
- I have one.
- I'm a monogamous person. Is that bad?
- Who's yours, Emily?
- Oh, the hot guy from "Sons of Anarchy."
- Jax. - Who's yours, Noella?
- My boyfriend kind of looks like him.
- Oh, well, lucky you.
- Noella, who's yours?
- God, just because she's a classic, Janet Jackson.
- Who's yours?
- I don't--I don't have one. - Who's yours?
- Sean Penn.
- Sean Penn? - Wow.
- Jimmy Fallon. - Really?
- Wait. Who-- - That's so you.
[laughs]
- No, I love it. That's very interesting.
Let's take a break. We'll be right back.
Coming up...
- You were so controlling of the friend group
that nobody could be nice to me.
Nobody could have a human experience with me.
- Yes, it's all me, Noella. We all agree.
- That's not--that's not--
- I was trying to help you have a breakthrough.
- Okay. All right. All right.
- We are back with "The Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion."
I'm Andy Cohen.
While Dr. Jen Armstrong's career is enviable,
the same could not be said for her relationship.
Much like her husband's shirts,
was something in her marriage missing?
Let's watch.
- Hey, good morning. - Good morning.
- I'm an aesthetic medicine physician,
so make people pretty for a living.
- Jen is the full package.
She is educated, she works full-time,
she is a mom, and she's doing it all in stilettos.
I mean, it's impressive.
- Ryne and I do have an unconventional relationship.
He always puts being a father before anything else.
Sometimes before being a husband.
- Do you call him Ryan or Ryne? - I go by his birth name.
- Ryne. - Hi, Brian. How are you?
- Ryne. How are you, sir? - Ryne?
- Ryne.
- Ryne? Ryne.
- Like the river.
- I thought it was Rind with a D.
- It is technically. - Is it Ryne or Ryan?
- Ryan. - Okay.
So we're going with Ryan. - We're going with Ryan.
- Okay. Good deal. Consistency is key, so...
- Where are the kids, and where's Ryne?
- Oh, they apparently went to an end-of-summer dinner.
- Oh, why are you excluded?
- I feel completely alone right now.
- And...
- Can we not talk about this? I'd rather not talk about this.
- What? - All of this.
- Why can't we just-- - Just that's enough.
- Ryne packed his bags and left last night.
- What? - Holy sh--.
- I think we both want it to work,
but we don't know how to make it work.
I will fight for my marriage and my relationship,
because I don't want to fail.
- Can you kiss me on the lips like we're married?
- Yes.
- Where are you going?
- Let's be honest. They're a mess.
[laughter]
- Don't say that.
- All right. - Okay.
- Let's get the most important question out of the way.
Have you learned how to pronounce
your husband's name yet?
- It's Ryne per him, but I call him Ryan, so...
- Okay.
- Just 'cause it's--I just do. Ryan.
- Hailey from New Hampshire said,
"Does he actually make money?
And how does he feel about you being the breadwinner?"
- He does. He has a company, Hawaii Hideaways.
It's become very successful.
So--and he rents to pretty high-end celebrities.
He doesn't tell me anything about it.
'Cause I'm like, "I will tell everybody.
So just don't tell me."
- You know, I'm assuming with your practice
that you are the bigger breadwinner.
- It was like that for many years.
We're becoming more equalized now trying to work
on our relationship and put more balance.
We're too far apart. I mean, obviously you can see
that we're, like, in different worlds.
It was interesting watching the show,
because it was almost therapeutic to be like,
"Holy sh--. We gotta change this.
Like, this is just way too far. And we're both very unhappy."
- There are some couples who have been on the show
who actually credited it for helping them,
because it helped them see things in themselves.
He clearly, though, does not like being on camera.
- He said, "I'm not successful when I try to get deep
"and talk about emotions.
And I don't want to be not successful on camera."
Like, that would--and I-- - He's self-conscious.
- I said, "Actually, that's actually legitimate."
- That makes sense.
- Jen had hooked me up with Ryne
before I met him to talk about a vacation rental.
- Uh-huh.
- So I spoke to him on the phone,
and he was so, like, personable and outgoing and great.
And then when I met him, it was a completely different person.
He's obviously very... - Introvert.
- You know, shy and introverted anyway.
And then to have the cameras around,
I just think that was just a lot for him.
- Right.
- I just think men in general just have a hard time with it.
I mean, it took a while with Shane.
He didn't want to talk about things on camera.
- Not Terry. Point a camera, and that man's happy.
- Bridget from Twin Falls is worried
that Ryne loves Mr. Poppers more than you.
Do you share that concern?
- I think I brought that up on camera.
I'm like, "Can you just treat me like the dog?
We'll be good. We'll be great." - Wow.
- Treat me like the dog. That's the standard.
- Yvonne from West Hollywood said,
"Heather, at Max's book party Jen said
"it was love at first sight for her with Ryne.
"But Ryne said he's still coming around to Jen.
How did that make you feel?"
- Oh, my God. But that's the joke I make about Terry.
I say it was love at first sight for him,
and I'm still weighing my options.
So, like, I--and I keep--
- You got it. - I totally got it.
And I say, "Like, you're married to Terry."
- How did you feel when he said it?
- A little bit hurt, but it's actually kind of true.
I haven't had a super smooth relationship with anyone.
- You revealed that you were engaged
seven times before Ryne.
- Yeah. It's true. It was like every two years.
- Why was he different?
- From the second I saw him, literally,
it was--I mean, it's so cliché, love at first sight.
But at the breakfast buffet it was love at first sight.
- Wow.
- I thought it made sense, though, what you said,
like, to me watching it.
'Cause, you know, you don't know everything,
and watching it I was like, "That really makes sense."
Like, your father had passed away the time
you were in your life. He was fun. He was light.
He was Diet Coke. And, like,
it was what you needed in your life at the time.
- Bigger. - Like your ginger ale?
- It was light and breezy and almost freeing at the time.
- Like your IV? - But then we have, like,
a real life with three kids and two businesses.
And that's heavy. - Yes.
- How do you handle heavy things
when you were light and breezy?
It came to a head like a pimple.
It came to a head, and--
- So satisfying. - Extractions.
- He did; he moved out for a little while.
And it helped. It kind of reset.
There was peace in the house. I was with the kids.
It was actually really helpful. It was very helpful.
- I really have a good feeling that the two of them
are gonna figure it out. I really do.
- I like the positive encouragement.
- And if you're showing up you will.
- And so you feel how as we close this conversation?
- I feel hopeful.
It's actually peace and some laughter where you're like,
"I want to be in this again."
- Okay. Let's lighten things up and talk
about the trip to Aspen.
Shannon, I was sorry to see that your bear prank...
- Epic fail. - Kind of fizzled.
- Epic fail. - It did.
- Oh, my gosh.
[laughs]
Ahh!
I screamed.
- I mean, not even Gina was scared.
- Okay. But I have to tell-- I have to tell you this.
The footage of us getting ready--
- That was the most fun. The house was
20,000 square feet. So why she and I
were in a pantry that was literally, like, 4x4...
- Get your hair in there. - My hair doesn't fit.
- Get it up. Oh, my God. They're gonna see.
- I couldn't see out of the eyes.
- Heather, things got a little tense
between you and Noella
when it came time to choose rooms.
Noella, you claimed you deserve the biggest room
'cause your dad died.
- Two masters, one below us.
- So there's another one that looks just like this?
- Yep. - I mean, my dad did just die.
So it's not like I'm trying to pull rank
or anything like that on it.
- Who says that? - Do you feel like that's fair,
or were you just playing the card?
- Oh, I mean fair and playing the card.
- I was like,
"Let's offer her the room, because her dad just died."
But you don't even give anyone the opportunity to be nice,
because you just right from the--
- Shannon never gets the big room.
- Right from the bat you were just like,
"I'm just taking this room."
- Keep in mind recovering off the heels of, like, a month
where nobody was responding text messages to me.
- The reason why maybe that was happening was
because you were telling these lies,
and it was making everyone feel a certain way. Even after--
- You were the only one
that was obsessed with the lie thing.
I had a genuine connection with Gina...
- No, I wasn't.
- Genuine connection with Emily.
Genuine connection with Shannon.
- That's fine you have a connection,
but they're still hearing you lie about me.
- Like, you were just--like, you were--you were
so controlling of the friend group
that nobody could be nice to me.
Nobody could have a human experience with me.
- Yes, it's all me, Noella. We all agree.
- I was trying to help you have a breakthrough.
- Okay. All right. All right.
♪ ♪
- I was trying to help you have a breakthrough. - Okay. All right. All right.
- Listen. - I am saying something.
After the camera--I apologized. - I am saying something.
- But after the cameras went down--
can I just button this for one second?
After the cameras went down
for the final time in Aspen, Noella came out to me and goes,
"Hey, can we start over?"
- Of course she wants to start over.
- Now? Too late. - Okay. All right. Okay.
Well, I do want to talk about one thing that was said
that Noella was facing her own karma.
- Right.
- Which really kicked her when she was down.
- No, that's not fair. - But didn't she say it first?
- She did. - She said it first.
- I don't appreciate you calling me a liar.
- This is your freaking karma,
and your karma will solve it on its own.
- My life's good.
Your karma's already giving you what it needs.
- This is--man, this is not good.
- You sling something at me. I just slung it back.
It's your karma. No, it's your karma.
- That, no. At that--at that--
- I didn't say it out of the blue.
- It was literally being screamed at,
and I'm ganged up on by all of these women.
- No, you weren't.
- And you were screaming at me that I'm a liar.
You're screaming at me a liar. You're--I mean like everyone--
- Because you're lying, Noella.
- So the karma thing,
you feel you were responding to what she had said?
- 100%. Listen, I've said it a million times tonight.
I will say it again.
I feel horrible for everything you've gone through.
I don't wish it upon anybody.
You said to me, "It's your karma."
I just threw it back at you. It wasn't any big moment.
- Oh, you said it a couple more times.
- But you also said, "My dad died too."
- "My dad died." - That was earlier.
- Why isn't anyone defending me?
- That was earlier. - Why isn't this about me?
And it just turned into, like...
- Yeah, but those things--
- Holy sh--. This is vile sh--.
- I just want to say that, I mean, I understand
where everyone's perspective is coming from.
And on our second night after the bear scare fail there was--
- #BearScareFail.
- Noella pulled me aside, and you broke down.
And I--you know, and I thought about
what she was going through, and it hit me that it had been
less than a week from when her father passed away.
- Four days. Four days.
- And it's like, wow. Like, she is here.
And it's like I felt for Noella, because I've been there
before where you sit down at a table,
and everybody comes at you.
When somebody dies, like, that's not a--
like, sh-- happens. Or I think--
I think you might have said something like, "Sh-- happens."
- It's not great. - Her father died.
- Okay. - Just remember that.
- Sh-- happens to everybody.
- This is a death.
- I mean, Noella, this is really interesting.
I mean, we saw you deal with your dad's passing.
Your dad was a famous weatherman...
- He was a big deal. - In LA.
- Yeah, he was-- - NBC, baby.
- When I saw his picture, I was like, "Wow, I know him."
- He carried an Olympic torch. He won an Emmy.
I mean, it was-- - And were you--you were
pretty much estranged most of your life?
- I was his one and only child,
and it juts--his career took off right when I was born.
And he moved down to Los Angeles.
My mother just passed law school.
She started her practice in Palm Springs,
and it was really a reflection of their relationship I feel.
You know, we'd see each other occasionally,
but it was--it was a very strained relationship.
And, yeah, I really--I hate to seem vain on this one.
But it wasn't until I signed with Elite
when I was 17 and developed my book in Southeast Asia
and I started to mail him.
Like, I would mail him report cards
and things like that during my education,
and they would come back unopened.
And it's--you know, how sometimes dads aren't great
unless you do what they do?
Like, I learned how to play golf primarily
to have a relationship with my father.
- That's very true, because my dad
only came to one thing that I did in high school.
And it was when I played fast-pitch,
because he liked baseball. - Wow.
- So it was--when I was in his industry,
when I was in his wheelhouse, then he really was like,
- He responded. - "Yeah."
And then we would have these great conversations.
And the craziest thing, the very last conversation
that I had with him it was, like, first week of September.
And I was writing him, you know,
just on what this experience was.
And he gave me such amazing advice
about being Black in the industry at NBC.
Like, all these weird parallels were going on
and being the first and how to carry that mantle.
And it just--in many ways, he was so proud of me
being in the show and representing it.
- That's nice. - It was.
- I'll have to say, Noella,
you know, despite our differences,
my heart broke for you when your father passed.
- Yeah. - I relate deeply to that.
'Cause my father was a very big part of my life,
and I'm sorry you had to go through that.
- Thank you. - It really--I just wanted,
like, hug you and protect you.
- You were amazing, the flowers were gorgeous,
and it was really nice to hear at your event--
I didn't know the relationship with your father
and just why it inspired you to be a doctor.
And it's those stories that really--
- That was definitely the most interesting part.
- She took the MCATs the day after he passed away.
- Crazy. - I had to take the MCATs--
- That's just crazy.
- Well, you all came together for that song,
which was actually awesome.
- It was amazing. - So fun.
- That was so fun.
all: ♪ I do whatever I want ♪
♪ Whatever I want ♪
♪ And baby I want you ♪
♪ I want you ♪
- I mean, what did Richard Marx think when he heard the song?
- He loved it.
- Really? - No, he really did.
He and Daisy Fuentes wrote the song,
and I was so excited that they let us use it.
- It's great. It was really sweet.
- I was so embarrassed.
I didn't want, like, anything to do it.
- You were so good.
- And then I leaned into it hard so hard.
I was so about it.
- I thought it was gonna be super cheesy.
And it was so good.
- It was, but I think we owned the cheesiness.
- Yeah, I think so too.
- You looked just like Posh Spice.
- Oh, thank you. - I was really blown away.
- Yeah, you did.
- Now, when they said you were Jimi Hendrix,
I thought you were Prince. - I thought she was Prince too.
- And you looked, by the way, just like--I was like, "Wow."
- I was like, "Just go with Prince."
- Exactly. Exactly. But a great Hendrix also.
- Thank you. - All right.
We're gonna leave it there.
We're gonna be right back to wrap things up after this.
[upbeat music] ♪ ♪
- Before we wrap up the season 16 reunion,
I want to end on a super-positive note.
I would love to go around
and have each of you say one positive thing
about someone else in the group.
Who wants to start? - I could start.
- Okay. - I didn't know Heather at all,
and we'd never even run in the same circles.
It was so positive to be with someone
who really put the effort into getting to know me
and my husband and my children, and I really appreciate that,
because I didn't really have that before.
And it was so nice for someone
to just take such a true interest in my life.
So I appreciate that about you.
- Thank you. - That's nice. Okay.
Heather, why don't you go next?
- I really thank everyone for kind of welcoming me back.
It's been interesting. And the scenes with my kids
were so important to me that I honestly,
even with the bullsh-- stuff that happens,
I would've done it all over again.
And, Noella, if we are to meet again,
I hope that maybe you'll get a chance
to actually not only know me but let me get to know you.
- I would love that. I welcome that.
- All right. Noella, you want to go next?
- Jen, honestly, there were a lot of moments.
It's almost like a sisterhood,
but we were like the sisters that fought the most.
But I genuinely have a lot of respect for you
knowing the chronic pain that you're constantly in,
and just, like, understanding on how strong
you must be to be doing all the things that you do
being the breadwinner for your family.
There is a lot of--a lot of hardships in your life,
and you would never tell.
Because you seem so strong and in control.
And I really do respect that.
- I really appreciate that. Thank you, Noella.
I mean, if drama was a drug, you would be a pharmacy.
And... [laughter]
And while I don't agree with a lot of it,
I could still appreciate your enthusiasm.
- I hope it's done. I'm done with it.
No more drama. Good drama.
- That's nice. - Yes, Shannon.
- I will say something nice about Gina.
I want to say that I am very, very proud of you.
From the girl that I met four years ago
to who you are today to withstand
all that you did with your marriage,
to see you and your lovely boyfriend
literally have such a amazingly clean
and orderly household with six children, it's admirable.
- Thank you. Thank you for that.
- And I'm very, very excited for your new business venture
and wish you nothing but the best.
- I'm gonna send it right back to you.
I think honestly, genuinely the same thing from knowing you.
I think you're an incredibly resilient woman
who has gone through a hell of a lot,
you know, as a grown woman
and had to completely redesign her entire life.
And I also--I swear, I've never met somebody with the ability
to push my buttons so much alive, and it is impressive.
- I'll take that as a plus.
- I adore you, though.
- No one said anything about Emily. May I?
- Yes.
- I think you are an incredible mom.
It's really beautiful to watch. Just amazing.
- A step-mama.
- You're very good at articulating things too.
I think that it's impressive, your articulation.
- Well, we've reached the end of another great season.
And what better way to bid farewell to Orange County's
sweet 16 than with a champagne pineapple toast?
Heather, I think you should send us out on a toast.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think Jen knows one that begins to ladies' underwear.
But I would love.
- I'm not wearing any, but it's okay.
- Wow. These are very lovely.
- Okay. So what an incredible season,
but we're gonna do a pineapple toast.
So that is stand tall, wear a crown, be sweet.
- I love that.
- Cheers. - Cheers.
- Sweet 16.
- 16.
all: Whoo!
- This is a little aggressive.
- The décor is not your doing,
- Oh, I could do this all day. - Yay.
- Thanks, ladies. - Whoo.