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[Amy] Previously on
Little People Big World...
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[Debi] How long
are you guys gonna be gone?
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The 2nd through the 20th.
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We're going on
an 18-day motorcycle trip.
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Our destination
is Skagway, Alaska.
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Anything else going on?
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-You probably heard
the farm's up for sale...
-[Debi] I did hear.
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-[Amy] ...you know.
-[Debi] And how
do the kids feel?
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-You know, I think they're
just ready to move on.
-[Debi] Yeah.
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[Tori] Here comes big sis.
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He's so easy,
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and I really am trying
to just enjoy it this time
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'cause I don't think
we're having any more.
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[Zach] We don't have plans
for Caryn to meet Josiah.
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They still think
they did nothing wrong.
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If two adults don't get along,
and there's kids involved,
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the relationship
with the kid's gonna suffer.
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It's hard.
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I love those kids
like they were blood.
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I'm sure there were things
that Matt said,
or I jumped in.
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So I don't know what to do.
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I definitely made
some mistakes along the way.
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I mean, I think
Zach's very upset, you know.
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But everybody had
different goals
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for their own
individual lives.
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You can't blame 'em for that.
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I think that
they did the right thing
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by creating a piece of
their own world.
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I agree with that.
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Jackson, Mimi and Chris
are coming back
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from their cross-country
motorcycle ride.
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You know
what a motorcycle is?
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You'll find out today.
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You're gonna find out today.
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[Tori] I think they're,
like, 30 minutes away.
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Mom is gonna start
some lunch here for everybody.
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They probably haven't had
a home-cooked meal
in a minute.
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Girlfriend, you had
a home-cooked meal
11 minutes ago.
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-Okay.
-[Zach] Yeah.
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-[baby whining]
-Let's, like, chill.
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[Tori] Amy helped a ton
when Josiah was born.
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I mean, we couldn't have
done it without Amy.
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-Her stepping up
and coming, and, like...
-Yeah.
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...taking care of both kids,
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like, that was a lot.
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And so making lunch for them
as they come through
from their motorcycle trip
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is, like, just something small
that we can do for them.
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[Zach] What a beautiful day.
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I'm tired of my thumb though.
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[Tori] Oh, your thumb.
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Tori, it is gonna be
all about the thumb
for the next couple of days.
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[Tori] It's never ending
about the thumb.
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[Zach] A few days ago,
I dislocated my thumb.
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-We were going
to a birthday party...
-A kid's birthday party.
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and that's where he fell.
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I fell right when
we pulled up to the house.
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-We hadn't even gotten into
the birthday party yet.
-Yeah.
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I turned around
and Zach's with
a dislocated...
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-[Zach] Blood.
-...dysfunctional,
like, disformed hand,
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runs into
a kid's birthday party,
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and is like,
"Is there a doctor?"
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I'm going...
"What's going on?
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Am I about to,
like, lose my hand?"
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So dramatic.
He's so dramatic.
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-[Tori] It was on
this side of the bone.
-[Zach] I know it was.
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We ended up being fine,
no break.
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We thought
my hand was broken.
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I thought
his hand was broken.
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I thought
my whole life was over.
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Here. Lilah, here.
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Put that away.
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[Tori] Is Josiah good
down there?
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I'm gonna go
check on him right now.
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Um, I think
he needs a new onesie.
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[Tori] Josiah
is two months old
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and he's been doing
really well.
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My only complaint
about Josiah,
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he's such an easy baby,
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he just doesn't sleep
at night.
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With Jackson and Lilah,
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they would be,
like, once a week maybe.
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They would go,
like, five or six hours.
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And we don't get that
with Josiah.
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Josiah's like two hours
50 minutes,
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he's up ready to eat.
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So I can't get any sleep.
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It's hard.
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Well, Tori,
he's sleeping so quietly.
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[Tori] Oh, hey, no, no, no.
Don't wake him up.
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My tolerance is so much
different than Tori.
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Tori's tolerance for crying,
anything, is very, very small.
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And then she gets mad at me
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She's like, "Zach,
are you just gonna
let him cry?"
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I'm like, "He's been crying
for, like, two minutes."
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Nowhere near my, like, limit.
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So the whole
night-time routine can be
very challenging.
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[Tori chuckles]
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That's so gross.
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Stop, okay?
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There's times, yeah,
we feel outnumbered.
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There's times,
and, like... yeah.
Jackson has his needs,
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Lilah has hers,
and then Josiah.
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And it's like
we're getting pulled
in different directions.
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But, like, we're super blessed
with three kids, healthy kids,
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very good, well-behaved kids.
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[Zach] Um, I wonder
how far out they are.
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They said 1:30,
so that's 10 minutes.
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Tori, I think
we need to speed this up.
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Do we not?
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Why does everyone just smell?
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[Zach] We cannot
all smell like lavender 24/7.
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[Tori] Why?
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[Tori] Oh, I can hear 'em.
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[Chris] We're on our last da
of the trip, day 18.
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It's been a great journey.
A lot of amazing sights.
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But we're both ready
for it to be over.
You know, we... [laughs]
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[Amy] Well, it'll be good
to see those grandkids.
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18 days is long enough.
We're anxious to get home,
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and actually kinda
get back to our normal life
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and see how everyone's doing.
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[Tori] Mimi's here.
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-[Zach] What's up guys?
-[Chris] Hey, Zach!
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[Amy] It's been so long
since I've seen you.
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[Chris] Aw. Hi, Tori.
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[Amy] Hi!
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[Amy] Did you get...
Oh, look at that!
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That is so cute.
Did you do this for me?
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Listen, can I have a hug
from you too?
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[Amy] When I'm gone
that long, I kinda, like,
feel disconnected.
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So, it's always nice
to come home to seeing famil
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Oh, is this what you made
for Chris and I?
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Yeah, it made me feel great
that they ran up to me
and said, "Mimi!" you know.
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I absolutely miss them.
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Oh my gosh.
It's been so long
since I've seen him.
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[gasps] Look, here.
You wanna get up, too?
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Here.
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Look at him.
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Oh, is he just adorable?
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-[Tori] He's chunked up
a little bit...
-[Amy] Yeah.
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[Amy] ...since you last saw.
It's been what,
three weeks?
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I tell you, this trip,
it was long.
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We didn't see
as much wildlife
as I had expected.
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So we saw a lot of wildlife
as far as, you know...
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[Amy] We don't need to lie.
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[Tori] Wait I love this.
She just said, "I didn't see
any wildlife."
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And then he goes,
"I saw a lot of wildlife."
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No, we didn't see as much
as I had expected.
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We saw a lot of bears,
black bears and grizzly bears.
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We same some.
We saw one grizzly.
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We saw a bear, like,
quickly run across the road
and into the bush.
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Then I'm like, "Well,
can you just hang out
for a moment?"
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I mean, there are
moose crossing signs
everywhere.
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-So apparently...
-[Amy] Oh, yeah.
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But we never saw one, yeah.
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The animals knew that
we were coming.
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Wildlife knew that
we were coming and said,
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"Well, we're not showing up
for the party."
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I blame the whistle.
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I have a deer whistle
on my bike,
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and it doesn't scare them.
It just lets them know
that you're there.
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So hopefully,
they don't step out
in front of you.
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And apparently,
that really worked.
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They didn't even step
close to the bike. [laughs]
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Going over the Rockies
was the best part.
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When we were going over there
we saw a lot Stone sheep
and bighorn sheep.
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Granted everyone thought
we'd see more
than what we did,
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but we still saw more wildlife
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than I have on any trip
that I've made in the States.
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We ran into some wild bison
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And then there was one poin
where there were
couple of young bears
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that were black bears
that were playing
next to the road,
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and I kinda coasted up
next to 'em.
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Uh, so that was kinda fun.
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[Zach] That's way cool
seeing those animals
on a bike.
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Well, especially when they jog
across the road, you know.
And we pulled--
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-Are you talking
about the sheep?
-No, the bears.
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-That's way cool.
-We saw two of those.
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-That is the coolest thing
I've ever heard.
-[Chris] Yeah.
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-Negative Nancy over here.
-No, we passed people
that saw 15 bears.
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[Zach] Okay,
you can't judge.
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-We saw maybe three.
-That's their experience.
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[Zach] Chris says they saw
a lot of wildlife.
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My mom says
they hardly saw any.
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I think they have
two different versions.
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I also think
that's my mom, though.
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My mom's more pessimistic,
she's more...
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She sets
hugely high expectations
every time,
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and then almost
always gets disappointed.
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They didn't see a moose,
so that means they didn't
see anything. It's like, ah.
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Boy, something
sure smells good.
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[Tori] Yeah, whenever
you guys are hungry.
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We got chicken orzo in the pot
and some salad.
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Let's get them some food,
and then we can...
We can talk while they eat.
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[Amy] I think
what made it nice
to, uh, you know,
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show up
at Zach and Tori's.
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I thought it was very specia
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Because, you know,
we weren't, like,
in a restaurant
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with all these
other people around.
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It just felt like...
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"Phew, okay, I think
we're almost home."
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[Tori] Amy,
do you want me
to dish you up?
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[Amy] Oh, yeah.
Just a little bit.
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[Chris] Mmm.
This is good, Tori.
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[Tori] I figured it's hearty,
and will fill you up quickly.
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I don't think we've ever had
more than just an hour or two
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where we can
just sit and relax.
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So we're...
I'm looking forward
to a day or two of that.
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[Tori] Did you guys
have any days where
you stayed in one place?
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-No. One night
and moving on. Yeah.
-One night.
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You know,
it just comes down to math.
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We've got a certain distance
to cover in so many days.
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Now we're on our way back home
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and it's just a wet,
cold, gloomy day.
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On our ride back,
it was foggy, it was cold.
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It was little bit rainy,
windy, and then snow came.
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I was getting nervous because
my face shield was icing up,
it was hard to see.
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There's no cover anywhere.
I mean,
we really couldn't stop.
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And we're out
in the middle of nowhere.
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That was miserable.
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I was just thinking,
"Lord, you know what?
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Just protect us,
keep us safe."
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It was scary. [chuckles]
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But, you know,
British Columbia is gorgeous.
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-It's just
absolutely gorgeous.
-[Chris] Yeah.
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That's way cool. I'm jealous.
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My mom has a tattoo now.
She rides motorcycles.
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When I was a kid,
none of these things
would've ever happened.
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She's definitely like...
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You know,
maybe she wasn't herself
because she had kids,
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and she felt like,
"Because I'm a mom
I have to..."
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She loved being a mom,
but now she's maybe
being more of herself.
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-Well, that's an adventure.
-It was.
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It was good. And I'm glad
Chris and I...
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Look at that,
we're smiling at each other.
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We had little bumps, I think,
like any married couple would.
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I thought it would be a test.
I mean, you know,
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spending, you know, 18 days
every day on a bike--
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-"Vacation time."
-...and this close together.
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[Chris] But, you know,
I think we came back
just as strong as ever.
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-Don't you?
-I do too. You're right.
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We... No, you're right.
We did have a few bumps
here and there,
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-but we managed
to ride through it.
-[Chris] Yeah.
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[Amy] And, um,
still come out on top.
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She wasn't too bow-legged
after the trip.
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[both laugh]
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[Amy straining]
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[Tori] Good job, Lilah.
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Oh, wow.
That looks miserable.
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-No, that looks super comfy.
-You did that?
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-[Tori] Girl, uh-uh.
-18 days.
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[Chris] Yeah,
she's got the best seat
in the house.
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[Zach] Yeah, what are you
complaining about?
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[Amy] Okay.
It's gonna sound really loud.
254
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-[bike engine revs]
-Yeah, cover your ears.
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[bike engine whirring]
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-All right.
-[Tori] Bye.
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[Zach] That was great to see
my mom and Chris
after a long time on the roa
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You know, they were
excited to see the kids,
they looked good.
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We were able
to give them a meal
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for everything
they've done for us
recently with Josiah coming.
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And, um, we're glad
they're home safe.
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[Matt] Coming up...
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I realized
I sometimes am
a little sensitive.
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So what you may think is,
all okay,
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I look at it as critical.
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There are moments where,
you know, it goes back
to my childhood, that...
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Yeah. [sniffles]
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[Matt] And later...
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-[Matt] Hey
-Thank you for inviting us.
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My good friend
Brian and his wife Jerry,
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flew in from Texas
a couple of days ago.
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What did you
guys think of Matt
when you first met him?
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You were a nice guy,
you were nice to me.
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You smiled straight to my face
when you stabbed me
in the back.
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[all laughing]
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[Caryn] You wanna come
and sit at the table,
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-and I'll get you a bagel?
-[Matt] Yeah.
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-[Caryn] Liam!
-[Matt] Liam's so funny.
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You want some breakfast?
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It's Friday, and
I watch my grandson
on Fridays.
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And so today
Matt came over
and joined us for breakfast.
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[Caryn] Okay.
283
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I don't wanna have
to change you five times.
284
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Right?
285
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Maybe Grandpa
will give you a bite.
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-Mmm-hmm.
-[Caryn] What do you think?
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[Matt] I could try.
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[Caryn] You want some yogurt?
289
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[Matt] Bob
and Jodie had just left,
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they spent about five
or six days here.
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And we always have
such a great time
catching up on life.
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Bob and Jodie's visit
was really nice.
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They're good people,
you know,
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and salt of the earth.
295
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-Did Bob give you any
fatherhood advice?
-[Matt] You know,
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I don't know about advice
as much as just
good perspective.
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You know,
he knows I'm in a tough spot.
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I was able to share with him
how disheartening it is
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that my kids
aren't just celebrating
300
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what they... you know,
experiences that they had
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instead of focusing so much
on what they're not gonna have
in the future.
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They're really focused on...
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Especially Zach, you know,
kinda ruining the memories,
uh, the good memories.
304
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Maybe they weren't so good
after all.
305
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[Caryn] This whole
thing has been painful,
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painful for Matt and I,
painful for Zach and Tori.
307
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I don't know
how long it's been
since I've seen Jackson.
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It feels like forever.
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And I haven't
got to see Josiah yet.
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I'm lucky enough to have
my own grandson
be in my space.
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It makes me miss those
grandkids even more
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because Jackson and Lilah
were a huge, huge part
of my life and Matt's.
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And so this rift with us...
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The fact that
it's still going on
is heartbreaking, really.
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And I kinda feel like I'm le
not knowing what to do.
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Do you want a little potato?
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Okay. Good job.
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It's been hard, you know,
having to drag Caryn
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into, you know,
the family drama, I mean,
320
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the Zach and Tori thing
has been
a little bit challenging,
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but we do what we can,
and focus on
those relationships that are,
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um... That are,
you know, working.
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So, Brian, my buddy from Texas
is gonna be out with Jerry,
his wife.
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And, uh, I think
you've never met 'em,
but you're gonna enjoy 'em.
325
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-[Matt] And, uh, so--
-[Caryn] Does...
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-So, would he know Amy
because of the history?
-[Matt] Absolutely. Yep.
327
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[Matt] I met Brian
quite a few years ago
328
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from the
Little People of America
conference.
329
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We have these big conferences
once a year all over
the United States.
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Brian is an LP, but his wife
Jerry, is average-height.
331
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And they had
only been to Oregon years ago,
and they had seen the farm.
332
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They were well
overdue for a visit.
333
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And so
we're gonna hang out here,
334
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and have, as Brian would say,
"A good ol' time."
335
00:14:35,158 --> 00:14:38,960
You know, I was thinking
because Amy knows Brian
and Jerry too,
336
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maybe we should have them over
and have some kind of a...
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-maybe a barbeque...
-[Caryn] Wait a minute,
let me get this straight.
338
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So it will be Brian,
a little person,
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you a little person,
and Amy a little person.
340
00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,472
And then all of your
significant others,
341
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-Chris, myself and Jerry
are all tall.
-[Matt] Yeah.
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It's gonna be interesting
to hear... kinda
everybody's experiences
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on being, you know,
half average height
and half little people.
344
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Makes for some
interesting conversation,
to say the least.
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[Caryn sighs]
Have you heard any word
from the realtor
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on, uh, the farm sale?
347
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There's one, you know,
one potential that...
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The one that... The most...
really, really interesting
to me.
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-The one from Arizona?
-Yeah.
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You know,
they have a lot of kids.
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They just seem like
a really responsible,
mature couple.
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-[Caryn] Oh,
that would be good.
-[Matt] Mmm-hmm.
353
00:15:26,317 --> 00:15:29,552
[Matt] You know,
I'm hoping that the house
and farm goes to a family.
354
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There's one
that I really like,
and kinda hope, pulling for.
355
00:15:33,841 --> 00:15:38,061
But, you know, it's a lot
to think about before they
spend that kind of money.
356
00:15:38,063 --> 00:15:41,731
-Buying the farm
is not an impulse purchase.
-[Matt] No.
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It's a pretty hearty...
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Well, I estimate six months,
so we'll see.
359
00:15:46,071 --> 00:15:51,532
I always predicted it's a
six to twelve months cycle
to sell this farm.
360
00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,284
So we're just at
the very beginning of it.
361
00:15:53,361 --> 00:15:55,870
You know,
it's not a fun process,
362
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but, um, that's the process
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that I'm prepared
to muscle through.
364
00:16:01,586 --> 00:16:04,796
"I'm done. I'm all done."
Yes? Okay.
365
00:16:04,872 --> 00:16:06,447
[Matt] He's full, Cha Cha.
366
00:16:13,515 --> 00:16:15,723
Okay, those are
all the flowers that
I gotta do, babe.
367
00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:17,392
Yeah, I put 'em there.
368
00:16:17,394 --> 00:16:18,935
[Amy] Oh, yeah. That's right.
369
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The trip to Alaska
on the motorcycle
ride was great,
370
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but it's always nice
to come home.
371
00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:26,892
Yeah, I mean,
we have a lot of,
372
00:16:26,969 --> 00:16:29,070
uh, several outdoor projects
that need to be done,
373
00:16:29,147 --> 00:16:31,047
and it's time to get busy.
374
00:16:31,049 --> 00:16:34,200
-This is gonna be
your herb garden area, right?
-Pretty much, yeah.
375
00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:36,143
Might have a tomato plant.
376
00:16:36,145 --> 00:16:40,164
So my idea is
you do a row of pots here
and another row of pots here.
377
00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,542
So you can get to this row
from outside,
378
00:16:42,618 --> 00:16:44,419
-[Chris] you get to
the other row from the inside.
-[Amy] Sure.
379
00:16:44,495 --> 00:16:46,504
What's gonna be
in between these two pots?
380
00:16:46,581 --> 00:16:49,090
The pots are
gonna be together,
just like this.
381
00:16:49,092 --> 00:16:50,883
-Oh.
-Just like you got here.
382
00:16:50,885 --> 00:16:54,137
So that you can
walk back there
and get to this row.
383
00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,764
See, that's why
we're talking about this
and having a visual.
384
00:16:57,934 --> 00:16:59,350
I thought it was clear!
385
00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:02,437
No. See, don't...
You know what?
Don't assume that.
386
00:17:02,472 --> 00:17:05,523
It wasn't clear to me.
We're looking at
this differently,
387
00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:07,984
-and our words
comprehend different.
-[Chris] I know.
388
00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:09,777
We're just apples
and oranges sometimes.
389
00:17:09,779 --> 00:17:14,907
Well, just be patient.
So what if I didn't get it.
390
00:17:14,909 --> 00:17:19,454
In my mind I feel like
I'm explaining it very well,
very logically.
391
00:17:19,456 --> 00:17:22,123
It makes sense,
no argument needed.
392
00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,958
And then sometimes I get
a little frustrated
393
00:17:24,035 --> 00:17:27,086
'cause Amy's not catching on.
She's not seeing the vision.
394
00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:29,005
Okay, hon,
I think we have a plan.
395
00:17:29,007 --> 00:17:30,423
[Amy] Thank goodness.
396
00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,342
See, we can still
work together, babe.
397
00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:35,678
Just have to hammer it
out now.
398
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,307
-See, you can't think
like that.
-[Chris] What?
399
00:17:39,309 --> 00:17:41,350
-Hammering it out.
-[Chris] That's
a business term.
400
00:17:41,352 --> 00:17:43,936
-[Chris] It's an expression.
-Oh, gosh.
401
00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:47,106
-[Amy] Well,
just like the motorcycle ride.
-Don't get so offended.
402
00:17:47,183 --> 00:17:48,357
[Amy] I am sensitive to that.
403
00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,902
You're right,
I recognize that.
404
00:17:50,904 --> 00:17:55,156
I think
it has a lot to do
with trying to be so careful
405
00:17:55,233 --> 00:17:57,075
about my image
and how people look...
406
00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:59,160
...at me
throughout my whole life.
407
00:17:59,162 --> 00:18:01,454
Because all it it takes
is one little thing,
408
00:18:01,456 --> 00:18:05,166
-and then, poof,
you're dismissed.
-[Chris] Hmm.
409
00:18:05,168 --> 00:18:07,794
[Amy] There are moments wher
maybe Chris may say somethin
410
00:18:07,796 --> 00:18:10,129
and it's innocent on his part,
411
00:18:10,131 --> 00:18:14,467
but to me it's like,
"What are you doing?"
Like, what?"
412
00:18:14,469 --> 00:18:17,845
I do have a tendency
to be a little more sensitiv
413
00:18:17,847 --> 00:18:21,891
because I still have that
old adage from growing up,
414
00:18:21,893 --> 00:18:26,437
you know, trying to fit in,
trying to meet
other people's expectations.
415
00:18:26,439 --> 00:18:30,817
Those elements...
I definitely know came
into my marriage with Matt.
416
00:18:30,893 --> 00:18:34,904
There was a lot where
I didn't feel as supported
or encouraged.
417
00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:38,616
And when you have that
a little bit over time,
418
00:18:38,618 --> 00:18:41,744
uh, you know,
it can deflate you.
419
00:18:41,746 --> 00:18:45,957
So you're right,
I sometimes am
a little sensitive.
420
00:18:46,668 --> 00:18:48,960
So what you may think is
all okay,
421
00:18:48,995 --> 00:18:50,253
I look at it as critical.
422
00:18:50,255 --> 00:18:52,046
But is it really critical?
423
00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:55,424
-You know.
-Yeah, it's not.
424
00:18:56,511 --> 00:18:58,886
[Amy] Matt and I
had disagreements and stuff
425
00:18:58,963 --> 00:19:01,681
Uh, it's probably more that
I didn't understand.
426
00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:03,724
And so we would just
walk away.
427
00:19:03,726 --> 00:19:06,352
But I never felt like
thing were ever settled.
428
00:19:06,429 --> 00:19:10,273
But I think with Chris,
being older
and the second time around,
429
00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,942
it's more,
"I wanna understand you."
430
00:19:12,986 --> 00:19:14,527
And he wants to understand me.
431
00:19:14,529 --> 00:19:18,281
So we take the time
to do that.
432
00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:22,702
I've gotta think
that most people,
as they get older,
433
00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:24,912
are more open,
more sharing,
434
00:19:24,989 --> 00:19:27,957
um, more relaxed.
435
00:19:27,959 --> 00:19:30,042
-[Amy] Um, they are.
-Yeah.
436
00:19:30,044 --> 00:19:34,005
But that doesn't equate
that, you know,
you be an ass to each other
437
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,841
during the major part
of, you know, being together.
438
00:19:36,843 --> 00:19:41,762
Yeah. But part of that,
to me, is that...
439
00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:46,309
...it's our responsibility
to try to accept a person,
who they are today---
440
00:19:46,344 --> 00:19:48,269
-[Amy] Yeah.
-...and not who they were,
441
00:19:48,346 --> 00:19:50,479
because we're all changing
and growing.
442
00:19:50,481 --> 00:19:51,805
I realized,
443
00:19:51,807 --> 00:19:54,650
in order to move forward
you can't be stuck--
444
00:19:54,652 --> 00:19:56,360
-[Chris] No, you can't.
-...at the wall.
445
00:19:56,437 --> 00:20:01,073
You gotta figure out
how to get over it
or change it or something.
446
00:20:01,075 --> 00:20:03,201
-I'm glad to help you
over that wall.
-[Amy laughs]
447
00:20:04,162 --> 00:20:05,411
Give you a little push.
448
00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:07,955
Whoops! There she goes.
449
00:20:10,585 --> 00:20:15,379
I think early on that
I had to push Amy sometimes
to talk about stuff.
450
00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:18,299
I think part of me
struggled internally.
451
00:20:18,376 --> 00:20:23,012
I was also afraid that I...
that if I didn't say
something right
452
00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:27,600
or say it in a way that...
"Oh, he'd be walking
out the door."
453
00:20:27,602 --> 00:20:30,228
Um... yeah.
454
00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:33,648
[sniffles] Anyway.
455
00:20:33,724 --> 00:20:36,484
-[Chris] It's all good now.
-Yeah, it is. It really is.
456
00:20:36,486 --> 00:20:38,903
But I think
it's the old adage of...
457
00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:43,491
you know, there are moments
where, you know, it goes back
to my childhood, that...
458
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,745
I'm just glad
he thinks I'm good enough.
459
00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:52,124
-More than good enough.
-So... I don't why I cried.
But, anyway.
460
00:20:52,126 --> 00:20:53,209
[Amy] And I think
the older you get,
461
00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:55,211
thank God
you're a little wiser.
462
00:20:55,213 --> 00:20:59,632
Unfortunately, too bad
we don't have this wisdom
when we're younger.
463
00:20:59,634 --> 00:21:01,150
Hard-knocks.
464
00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:04,262
[Chris] So
are we still doing
a barbeque at Matt's?
465
00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:08,224
[Amy] Yeah.
He invited Brian Templeton
466
00:21:08,226 --> 00:21:10,159
-and his wife.
-Yeah.
467
00:21:10,161 --> 00:21:14,981
Brian and Jerry
are an LP and average-sized
couple, they're married.
468
00:21:14,983 --> 00:21:18,985
So not only
would it be interesting
for Chris to meet,
469
00:21:18,987 --> 00:21:21,570
but having been married
to a little person,
470
00:21:21,572 --> 00:21:25,324
I'm interested in just knowing
their perspective as well.
471
00:21:25,326 --> 00:21:27,952
I'm appreciative that, um...
472
00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:32,331
-Matt opened up
the barbeque to us.
-[Chris] Mmm-hmm.
473
00:21:32,333 --> 00:21:35,293
Because in the past
it would be like,
474
00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:37,628
"Oh, no.
Go figure out
your own barbeque
475
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,881
because, you know,
I did this, and
these are my friends," and...
476
00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:42,282
You know,
all this other stuff.
477
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,094
There are certain moments
and incidents over time,
478
00:21:45,096 --> 00:21:47,471
throughout the years
when I was married
with Matt...
479
00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:49,724
It was separate.
It's like, "Oh, no,
these are my friends.
480
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,475
Those are your friends."
481
00:21:51,477 --> 00:21:54,103
I'm like, "Well, can't they be
all our friends?"
482
00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:57,273
And so, um,
I was very appreciative
483
00:21:57,275 --> 00:21:59,650
for Chris and I
to be included, to be invited.
484
00:21:59,727 --> 00:22:04,989
And looking forward to,
you know, just seeing
how we all get along.
485
00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,074
[Chris] All right, hon,
even though it's Friday night,
486
00:22:07,076 --> 00:22:09,368
I'm happy with doing
some drinks here and...
487
00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:10,995
-Friday night.
-Yeah.
488
00:22:11,072 --> 00:22:14,206
Oh, aren't we
ripping and roaring. [laughs]
489
00:22:14,208 --> 00:22:17,626
-Ah, Friday nights,
old people style.
-[Amy laughs]
490
00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:20,396
[Amy] Coming up.
491
00:22:20,398 --> 00:22:21,922
-Caryn, have you ever
gone to one?
-No.
492
00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:25,134
It'll be interesting to see
if you and I get the daggers.
493
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:28,095
[Amy] I think some of
the nervousness I may have
494
00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:30,139
with bringing Chris
to an LPA conference
495
00:22:30,141 --> 00:22:33,934
is, you know, how
other little people
would perceive him
496
00:22:33,936 --> 00:22:36,687
'cause they've known me
being married to Matt
for so long.
497
00:22:36,764 --> 00:22:39,690
You know, a little person
dating an average-sized
back then...
498
00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:42,860
that was like almost taboo.
It's like, "How dare you."
499
00:22:50,953 --> 00:22:52,078
[Caryn] Hey, hey, hey.
500
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,080
-[Caryn] Hi, guys.
-[Matt] Hey.
501
00:22:54,082 --> 00:22:55,289
[Matt] You guys made it.
502
00:22:55,291 --> 00:22:56,624
[Amy] Thank you
for inviting us.
503
00:22:56,626 --> 00:22:59,293
[Caryn] Oh, that's beautiful!
Thanks, guys.
504
00:22:59,295 --> 00:23:02,254
[Matt] My good friend,
Brian and his wife, Jerry,
505
00:23:02,289 --> 00:23:04,423
flew in from Texas
a couple of days ago.
506
00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:07,718
We've had a great time
hosting them here at the farm.
507
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,202
Hey, Jerry.
508
00:23:09,204 --> 00:23:10,971
-[Jerry] Good to see you.
-[Amy] Good to see you, man.
509
00:23:10,973 --> 00:23:12,890
[Amy] It's been a while,
hasn't it?
510
00:23:12,892 --> 00:23:14,350
-Brian.
-Good to see you.
511
00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:16,602
You too. My goodness.
512
00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:19,980
I've known Brian
probably since 1985.
513
00:23:19,982 --> 00:23:22,775
And when we do get together
514
00:23:22,852 --> 00:23:26,362
you know, you reconnect,
you catch up on life.
515
00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,447
It's like meeting
a very good friend.
516
00:23:28,524 --> 00:23:30,783
-[Caryn] Um, let me
get you guys some drinks.
-Brian Templeton.
517
00:23:30,785 --> 00:23:33,327
-Hi. Nice to meet you.
-Brian, that's Chris.
518
00:23:33,329 --> 00:23:35,538
I didn't know
any little people at all
519
00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:38,082
before I met Amy
and the Roloffs.
520
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:41,585
And Amy had some good stories
to tell about Brian.
521
00:23:41,587 --> 00:23:43,212
He sounds like a great guy.
522
00:23:43,247 --> 00:23:44,538
You know, as it is,
you know, Matt and Caryn
523
00:23:44,615 --> 00:23:47,174
are the only other
mixed couple that I know of.
524
00:23:47,176 --> 00:23:49,718
So looking forward
to hanging out
with he and his wife.
525
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,762
Are are we doing
fist bumps or handshakes?
526
00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:53,931
-I don't know.
-That's a good one.
I like that.
527
00:23:54,008 --> 00:23:56,684
Also, I haven't been
to the farm in a while,
or talked to Matt.
528
00:23:56,686 --> 00:23:59,103
So I'm always curious about
where he's at
529
00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:01,647
with his new house,
and the sale of the old one.
530
00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,400
I haven't inquired from Matt,
how's the listing going.
531
00:24:04,402 --> 00:24:06,259
I'll leave that up to Chris.
532
00:24:06,261 --> 00:24:09,530
It comes better from Chris
being a realtor
and everything, it's...
533
00:24:09,532 --> 00:24:11,907
"Oh, yeah. That's why
Chris is asking me."
534
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:16,162
We wanna know
right off the bat
how Alaska was.
535
00:24:16,164 --> 00:24:18,622
It was really good.
It really was.
536
00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:20,749
Did you guys get saddle sore?
537
00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:22,793
At the end of everyday
you're ready to get off
the bike.
538
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:25,004
You know, for me,
a little person,
539
00:24:25,006 --> 00:24:28,883
it's not like my legs
gracefully go over the seat.
540
00:24:28,885 --> 00:24:30,283
They're like...
[mimics sound effect]
541
00:24:30,361 --> 00:24:32,011
[Matt] First off,
I'm sort of, like, "Wow,
542
00:24:32,087 --> 00:24:34,120
that is quite an undertaking."
543
00:24:34,122 --> 00:24:36,974
Um, you know, especially
for Amy, with her short legs,
siting on the back.
544
00:24:37,051 --> 00:24:39,894
I wouldn't do
the back of a bike
for 18 days.
545
00:24:39,896 --> 00:24:41,520
You wouldn't do it
for 18 minutes.
546
00:24:41,597 --> 00:24:43,939
Maybe 18 minutes.
547
00:24:43,941 --> 00:24:46,650
-Were you ever
a motorcycle rider, Brian?
-[Brian] Yeah, a little bit.
548
00:24:46,652 --> 00:24:48,652
[Brian] Yeah. I used to
go ride with her family
549
00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:50,279
-[Brian] when we dated
the first time.
-[Chris] Oh, okay.
550
00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:51,572
[Brian] We dated as kids.
551
00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,491
[Chris] Oh, really?
552
00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:55,659
Obviously didn't meet
either one of you until
after you already married.
553
00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:57,161
So, uh...
554
00:24:57,163 --> 00:24:59,145
[Jerry] I mean,
we had a great time
with you guys.
555
00:24:59,147 --> 00:25:01,957
Y'all were very friendly.
One of the first couples
that kinda took me in.
556
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:07,671
It was my first convention
with people that knew
him pre-me.
557
00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:10,591
You know, a little person
dating an average-sized
back then,
558
00:25:10,593 --> 00:25:13,719
that was like almost taboo.
It's like, "How dare you."
559
00:25:13,721 --> 00:25:15,054
[Brian] Yeah. Jerry's talked
about that--
560
00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:17,097
Jerry caught
the brunt of that.
561
00:25:17,174 --> 00:25:21,519
I think, Jerry caught...
'cause she took
the most eligible bachelor.
562
00:25:21,521 --> 00:25:23,521
So, Jerry, I'm going to
the one, next month.
563
00:25:23,597 --> 00:25:25,523
-Am I gonna be
getting those...
-No.
564
00:25:25,641 --> 00:25:27,191
-You're already married.
-You're already married.
565
00:25:27,268 --> 00:25:28,600
Oh, okay.
566
00:25:28,677 --> 00:25:30,486
-And things are different.
-And times are different.
567
00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,322
People are much more
receptive to anything.
568
00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:35,157
We're all gonna find out.
You know, we're gonna
be there too.
569
00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:37,034
-You guys aren't going?
-[Jerry] No.
570
00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:38,452
-Caryn, have you ever
gone to one?
-No.
571
00:25:38,454 --> 00:25:39,762
-[Matt] That makes sense.
-Oh, so...
572
00:25:39,764 --> 00:25:41,580
I'm not sure
if I'm looking forward to it.
573
00:25:41,657 --> 00:25:44,833
It'll be interesting to see
if you and I get the daggers.
574
00:25:44,835 --> 00:25:47,294
I'm just gonna
be a wallflower.
575
00:25:48,297 --> 00:25:50,381
[Caryn] Matt has always
referred to these
576
00:25:50,457 --> 00:25:52,383
LPA conferences
over the years.
577
00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:54,552
But they haven't had 'em no
because of COVID.
578
00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:56,595
So finally
I'm getting to go along.
579
00:25:56,597 --> 00:25:58,764
I'm super excited about going.
580
00:25:58,766 --> 00:26:01,934
I know Chris and I
are both greenhorns,
581
00:26:01,936 --> 00:26:05,020
like, this is new for us.
And, uh, we're just...
582
00:26:05,022 --> 00:26:06,230
He's nervous, I think.
583
00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,898
-[Caryn] Is he?
-I think so.
584
00:26:07,975 --> 00:26:10,526
I've heard that, uh,
Zach and Jackson
are definitely going.
585
00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:12,820
I don't know if Tori is going
with Lilah and Josiah,
586
00:26:12,822 --> 00:26:15,322
but I'm hoping they're there.
I'd love to see them all.
587
00:26:15,324 --> 00:26:17,116
And, you know,
we're just...
588
00:26:17,192 --> 00:26:19,201
We're going with
a great attitude,
589
00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:21,829
and we're just
hoping to have a good time.
590
00:26:21,905 --> 00:26:26,917
Jerry, on behalf of Chris,
Caryn, and Tori,
591
00:26:26,994 --> 00:26:29,295
I'd like to congratulate you
on paving the way...
592
00:26:29,297 --> 00:26:30,713
[squealing] There you go.
593
00:26:30,715 --> 00:26:32,089
[Matt] for the...
What did you call...
594
00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:35,301
There was this period of time
in the organization
595
00:26:35,303 --> 00:26:39,972
that few people referred to
our relationship
as interspatial.
596
00:26:40,049 --> 00:26:41,974
-Really?
-I've never heard of that.
597
00:26:41,976 --> 00:26:43,434
[Matt] Mix, mix.
598
00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,269
-Yeah, we called it mixed.
-[Matt] Yeah, mixed.
599
00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:48,647
You know, I'm really
looking forward to going to
the LPA convention.
600
00:26:48,724 --> 00:26:52,818
And it was nice after talking
with Brian and Jerry
to find out that
601
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:55,321
there's possibly not
the same stigma
602
00:26:55,323 --> 00:26:57,364
as there would have been
20 years ago
603
00:26:57,441 --> 00:26:59,283
as far as being
a mixed couple, you know.
604
00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:00,659
I've learned that
we're a mixed couple.
605
00:27:00,736 --> 00:27:03,912
When you come to LPA
and you're now accepted,
606
00:27:03,947 --> 00:27:06,665
people give you
the fancy handshake...
607
00:27:06,742 --> 00:27:09,460
-You'll know
it's thanks to Jerry.
-Yeah, there you go.
608
00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:12,129
I think some of
the nervousness I may have
609
00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:14,965
with bringing Chris
to an LPA conference is,
610
00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:18,052
you know, how
other little people
would perceive him
611
00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:20,679
'cause they've known me
being married to Matt
for so long.
612
00:27:20,756 --> 00:27:24,391
I just hope he would have
a good experience,
613
00:27:24,393 --> 00:27:29,521
and hopefully,
he'll want to, you know, go to
another LPA conference again.
614
00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:31,982
Did I hear that
you introduced
these two, or no?
615
00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:33,150
-No.
-No? Oh.
616
00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:34,735
[Brian] No.
I met Matt in '82.
617
00:27:34,812 --> 00:27:36,195
-'82...
-[Matt] Be careful.
618
00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:38,030
Yeah. I think
it was after the other Amy.
619
00:27:38,107 --> 00:27:39,323
-[Matt] Right.
-[laughs]
620
00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:41,950
Before I met this Amy,
there was another Amy.
621
00:27:41,952 --> 00:27:45,663
The reason I met him is
because he was after
my girlfriend at the time.
622
00:27:57,551 --> 00:27:59,301
Before I met this Amy,
there was another Amy.
623
00:27:59,303 --> 00:28:00,511
Oh, yeah.
624
00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:02,763
Oh, I remember that.
625
00:28:02,765 --> 00:28:04,473
Me and this other guy
were chasing her,
626
00:28:04,475 --> 00:28:06,850
and we found out that
this Amy...
627
00:28:06,927 --> 00:28:08,852
she might be thinking about
marrying Brian
628
00:28:08,854 --> 00:28:10,187
before Brian asked her
to marry her.
629
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:11,580
We needed to go out
and see if we can
630
00:28:11,582 --> 00:28:14,066
make one last ditch effort
to capture her heart.
631
00:28:14,068 --> 00:28:17,194
About a month later,
she calls and says,
"Hey, sorry to tell you,
632
00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:20,781
but Brian... proposed to me."
633
00:28:20,783 --> 00:28:23,534
And then so... Anyway.
634
00:28:23,536 --> 00:28:25,077
-That was the end of that.
-I don't think I knew that.
635
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,245
[all laughing]
636
00:28:26,247 --> 00:28:28,372
Yeah, I wouldn't have
liked that either.
637
00:28:28,449 --> 00:28:32,292
I was single. I was
not engaged or anything,
at that time. So, uh...
638
00:28:32,294 --> 00:28:33,127
So, it was fair game.
639
00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,603
Yeah, fair game, yeah.
640
00:28:34,605 --> 00:28:36,714
And even though I brought her
to the convention...
641
00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:37,606
But we're not gonna talk
about that.
642
00:28:37,608 --> 00:28:39,608
-He won. He won.
-Yeah.
643
00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:42,177
So did you go from that Amy
to this Amy, or how many
was there in between?
644
00:28:42,221 --> 00:28:44,054
-[Matt] It was
a couple of years in between.
-Oh, okay.
645
00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:46,640
-I didn't know
this Amy at the time.
-[Chris] Oh, okay.
646
00:28:46,717 --> 00:28:49,476
Well, what did you guys think
of Matt when
you first met him?
647
00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:51,729
You were a nice guy,
you were nice to me.
648
00:28:51,731 --> 00:28:54,398
I mean, you smiled straight
to my face when you
stabbed me in the back.
649
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,358
[all laughing]
650
00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:59,194
[Brian] I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
651
00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,296
I'm just kidding.
652
00:29:01,298 --> 00:29:03,699
[Caryn] You know, having
Brian and Jerry visit is
so fun because
653
00:29:03,701 --> 00:29:06,201
I wasn't around
back in the day, and so...
654
00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:09,288
I've heard all kinds of
fun stories about Matt.
655
00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:11,081
He was a little bit of
a ladies' man.
656
00:29:11,158 --> 00:29:13,250
I was a gentleman.
That's what I like to think.
657
00:29:13,252 --> 00:29:16,420
Well, a gentlemanly
ladies' man.
658
00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:18,422
He went after everybody.
659
00:29:18,424 --> 00:29:19,757
-[Chris] Moved
a little faster...
-No.
660
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:21,175
-[Chris] on the next one,
didn't you?
-I...
661
00:29:21,251 --> 00:29:22,801
I think
it's completely different,
662
00:29:22,878 --> 00:29:26,597
but I remember the intensity
of going to a conference.
663
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:31,810
Growing up,
I wasn't really involved
in the national level of LPA.
664
00:29:31,887 --> 00:29:34,438
It just wasn't part of
my family life
665
00:29:34,473 --> 00:29:37,024
or part of my life, really.
666
00:29:37,026 --> 00:29:40,110
And it wasn't until college
where, um,
667
00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:43,322
I started going to
the district conferences
on my own.
668
00:29:43,324 --> 00:29:47,576
So I've only been,
as a single woman,
669
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:50,245
little person woman,
to one national.
670
00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:53,332
No, I could not
handle the competition.
671
00:29:53,408 --> 00:29:54,917
I'm not gonna fight you
for some guy,
672
00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:56,919
that's idiotic, man.
673
00:29:56,921 --> 00:29:59,046
There were a lot more
girls that were available
than there were guys.
674
00:29:59,048 --> 00:30:01,356
It was intense.
675
00:30:01,358 --> 00:30:03,884
-So did you get hit on a lot
when you went to the other...
-[Amy] No, because, you know,
676
00:30:03,886 --> 00:30:05,928
it literally petrified me.
677
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:08,680
It was like, there's so many
people that...
678
00:30:08,682 --> 00:30:10,516
they've been doing this
for years.
679
00:30:10,592 --> 00:30:12,601
And I'm showing up at 23.
680
00:30:12,603 --> 00:30:15,562
[Amy] My first national
was very nerve wracking.
681
00:30:15,639 --> 00:30:17,314
I've never seen so many,
you know,
682
00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:21,235
different kinds
of little people, you know,
in my life.
683
00:30:21,311 --> 00:30:25,280
It just made me wish
I would've embraced
the little people world
684
00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:27,699
at an earlier age.
685
00:30:27,776 --> 00:30:30,244
So it gave me
a perspective of myself,
686
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,540
but it also enabled me
to be kinda more comfortable,
687
00:30:34,542 --> 00:30:36,917
uh, about myself as well.
688
00:30:36,919 --> 00:30:38,502
You were well known in five...
689
00:30:38,579 --> 00:30:40,379
[Amy] Oh, yeah,
very well known.
690
00:30:40,455 --> 00:30:42,214
[Matt] ...but not known
in the '86 convention,
which we met at.
691
00:30:42,216 --> 00:30:43,507
That was Dearborn.
692
00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:46,718
Sometimes when you go
to these LPA conferences,
693
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,720
all you're talking about
is little people things.
694
00:30:48,722 --> 00:30:53,433
But what made me
interested in Matt
is he went beyond that.
695
00:30:53,435 --> 00:30:56,478
He didn't really talk
about himself being
a little person.
696
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,438
And he was more focused abou
what he was doing,
697
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,899
and just seeing
and meeting other people.
698
00:31:00,901 --> 00:31:04,570
I don't think
people really knew
what to do with me.
699
00:31:04,605 --> 00:31:07,072
I think you slid in
a little faster than
you realized.
700
00:31:07,149 --> 00:31:09,658
-[Amy] Really?
-I think so.
You became popular.
701
00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,201
I said yes to him
pretty quick.
702
00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:12,828
-[Brian] You became popular
pretty fast.
-[Matt] Yep.
703
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:15,247
[Matt] Amy was new
in the national scene.
704
00:31:15,249 --> 00:31:16,957
She was shy, and, you know,
a little bit sheltered.
705
00:31:17,034 --> 00:31:20,669
But she was a solid person
and very dateable.
706
00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:24,590
My first remembrance of her
was when she was
playing basketball.
707
00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:27,968
And I remember saying,
"Who's the girl
with the hoops," you know.
708
00:31:28,045 --> 00:31:30,762
And, uh,
it kind of went from there.
709
00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:33,348
You guys ready to go
get food and eat?
710
00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:35,117
'Cause I think
we're to that point.
711
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,102
-Yeah. We'll eat
out here, right?
-[Matt] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
712
00:31:37,179 --> 00:31:38,937
[Matt] We'll pull up
around the table.
713
00:31:39,014 --> 00:31:41,356
Actually, Amy ended up goin
714
00:31:41,442 --> 00:31:43,984
to the... At the end
of the week they always
have a banquet,
715
00:31:43,986 --> 00:31:45,777
kinda like a prom thing.
716
00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:49,823
And Amy went
with a different fella.
717
00:31:49,825 --> 00:31:52,826
I do remember Amy
and I spent most of
that banquet night,
718
00:31:52,903 --> 00:31:54,328
not with our dates.
719
00:31:57,458 --> 00:31:59,041
Maybe a little, kinda sorta.
720
00:31:59,043 --> 00:32:01,001
So you guys have been married
for a long time.
721
00:32:01,078 --> 00:32:05,339
What has been
the impact of being married
to an average-sized woman?
722
00:32:05,415 --> 00:32:08,467
-You didn't encounter,
really anything?
-[Jerry] No, not really.
723
00:32:08,469 --> 00:32:11,428
Once we got together,
everybody that met me
accepted me.
724
00:32:11,505 --> 00:32:15,057
Most of the friends that
I know, knew Brian
when we were kids.
725
00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:17,851
They know where
my heart's always been.
726
00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:22,481
It's never really occurred
to me that our size
was a thing.
727
00:32:22,483 --> 00:32:24,483
To me, it's you love
who you love,
728
00:32:24,485 --> 00:32:26,652
and it just doesn't matter.
729
00:32:26,728 --> 00:32:27,694
I would agree with that.
730
00:32:27,696 --> 00:32:30,656
When I got to know Matt,
731
00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:34,409
I just saw a man.
732
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,119
-[Caryn] I didn't see
a little person.
-[Jerry] Right.
733
00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:39,247
Nobody ever questioned me
about me marrying
an average-sized.
734
00:32:39,249 --> 00:32:40,916
Nobody questioned me,
and I'm sure
735
00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:43,001
maybe some may have
questioned her a little bit.
736
00:32:43,003 --> 00:32:47,005
I think people have
a little bit of a hard time
getting their head around
737
00:32:47,007 --> 00:32:52,219
the idea that a tall woman
could be interested
or attracted
738
00:32:52,221 --> 00:32:54,221
to a shorter man.
739
00:32:54,223 --> 00:32:56,056
And that's their problem,
I think.
740
00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:57,623
Yeah, I agree.
741
00:32:57,625 --> 00:33:00,644
And if
the woman is connected,
soul, body and mind,
742
00:33:00,721 --> 00:33:03,355
I mean,
then the stigma,
743
00:33:03,357 --> 00:33:05,065
so to speak,
is everybody else's problem.
744
00:33:05,067 --> 00:33:07,526
You know,
how I was raised
and grew up with...
745
00:33:07,528 --> 00:33:09,528
it's like it didn't matter
whether the person was
746
00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:11,071
a little person
or average height.
747
00:33:11,148 --> 00:33:13,573
It's like, who do you meet,
who you get along with,
748
00:33:13,575 --> 00:33:15,325
and everything, you know.
749
00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,953
You happen to meet
an average-sized person.
750
00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:20,706
Long ago, I told myself
it would be great,
751
00:33:20,708 --> 00:33:23,166
you know, if I met
someone within LPA,
752
00:33:23,168 --> 00:33:25,961
that, you know, we connect.
Obviously, I did. I met Matt.
753
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:32,384
But I wasn't going to just
say I need to, you know,
date a little person.
754
00:33:32,386 --> 00:33:36,388
It's like, "Hey,
if I happen to meet, you know,
an average-sized guy,
755
00:33:36,465 --> 00:33:39,349
I mean, you know,
he loved me, I loved him,
756
00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:41,059
and we had
something in common,
757
00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:43,687
then height shouldn't matter
758
00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:45,605
So, Chris.
What's it like for you,
you know,
759
00:33:45,682 --> 00:33:48,942
with your big old bike,
and your leather chaps,
760
00:33:48,944 --> 00:33:52,320
and you'd get off and say,
"I'd like to introduce you
to my motorcycle mamma...
761
00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:54,573
-[all laughing]
-down here.
762
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:56,608
Yeah.
763
00:33:56,610 --> 00:34:00,078
We... uh, yeah.
We definitely get a few looks
when Amy hops off the bike.
764
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,164
'Cause sitting on the bike,
she looks average sized,
765
00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:04,583
but as soon
as she hops off... yeah.
766
00:34:04,585 --> 00:34:06,451
-Do they, like... "What?"
-[Chris] If they're...
767
00:34:06,453 --> 00:34:08,128
If they're on
the wrong side of the bike,
they can't even see her.
768
00:34:08,205 --> 00:34:09,755
[all laughing]
769
00:34:10,257 --> 00:34:11,940
[Matt] The evening's
going great.
770
00:34:11,942 --> 00:34:14,718
It's just fun to be able
to introduce them to Caryn.
771
00:34:14,795 --> 00:34:17,054
And I'm sure Amy feels
the same way about Chris.
772
00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:18,722
It's fun, all get together
773
00:34:18,799 --> 00:34:20,223
and celebrate
the good old days.
774
00:34:20,225 --> 00:34:21,600
So it's very comfortable.
775
00:34:21,676 --> 00:34:24,269
So, Matt,
I have been dying to find out
776
00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:25,645
what's happening with
the farm.
777
00:34:25,647 --> 00:34:27,814
Well, it's slowly moving.
778
00:34:27,891 --> 00:34:31,610
There's one candidate
that I really, really like.
779
00:34:31,612 --> 00:34:34,362
-But they haven't
made an offer?
-[Matt] No.
780
00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:37,616
-It's a slow... you know,
the interest rates, and...
-[Chris] Oh, yeah.
781
00:34:37,618 --> 00:34:39,785
[Chris] The farm's been
on the market now
for a few weeks.
782
00:34:39,787 --> 00:34:44,247
And traditionally,
if you don't have an offer
within 30 days,
783
00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:46,625
you usually
start thinking about
doing a price reduction.
784
00:34:46,701 --> 00:34:48,919
I thought from
the very beginning
that, you know,
785
00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:50,921
he was at the very high end,
and he did too.
786
00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:55,383
So now it might be time to get
a little more realistic.
787
00:34:55,385 --> 00:34:58,887
I mean, we're probably gonna
start looking for a place
in about three years.
788
00:34:58,889 --> 00:35:01,306
It may take you two
to find something.
789
00:35:01,308 --> 00:35:02,849
I know a great place
over here. It's in...
790
00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:04,643
[all laughing]
791
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,854
-You know, it does check
a lot of the boxes.
-[Matt] Yeah. I...
792
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:12,484
For the record, Chris,
I would love to have had
you as my neighbor.
793
00:35:12,561 --> 00:35:14,402
[Chris] I think
we would've had some fun.
794
00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:15,462
-[laughter]
-Oh, brother.
795
00:35:15,464 --> 00:35:17,188
[Matt] That's what
I'm just afraid of.
796
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:19,007
[Chris] I mean,
putting our heads together
and coming up with projects...
797
00:35:19,009 --> 00:35:23,286
I said, at least
Chris won't be afraid
to do his own damn project.
798
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:25,539
-It'd be fun
to swap ideas and...
-[Matt] Right.
799
00:35:25,541 --> 00:35:27,791
Yeah. I could just
see my phone blowing up.
800
00:35:27,868 --> 00:35:30,627
"It's Amy.
Where's Chris?"
801
00:35:30,704 --> 00:35:31,711
[all laughing]
802
00:35:33,507 --> 00:35:34,714
[Amy] Coming up...
803
00:35:34,791 --> 00:35:37,425
-[Zach straining]
-Oh, faked out Dad.
804
00:35:38,262 --> 00:35:40,387
-[Zach] Aw.
-Yeah, you nutmegged him.
805
00:35:40,389 --> 00:35:42,556
We're getting ready
for the LPA convention.
806
00:35:42,632 --> 00:35:44,599
Jackson's gonna play
in the soccer tournament.
807
00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:46,726
I think Grandpa's gonna be
at your soccer.
808
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,729
[Tori] Caryn tells
other people
809
00:35:49,806 --> 00:35:51,940
that she's waiting
for our olive branch,
810
00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:54,776
and that olive branch...
811
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:56,945
the dove took it
to another island,
I don't know.
812
00:36:12,296 --> 00:36:13,545
Go, J, go. Go.
813
00:36:13,547 --> 00:36:17,215
-[Zach straining]
-[Tori] Oh, faked out Dad.
814
00:36:17,292 --> 00:36:19,885
-[Zach] Aw.
-[Tori] Yeah,
you nutmegged him.
815
00:36:19,887 --> 00:36:21,803
[Zach] What's your favorite
sport to play?
816
00:36:24,725 --> 00:36:27,392
You gotta go around, man.
Go to goal, go to goal.
Go shoot it!
817
00:36:27,686 --> 00:36:29,561
Shoot it! Nice, left foot.
818
00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:33,690
We're getting ready
for the LPA convention
up in Spokane this year.
819
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:37,235
Jackson's gonna play
in the soccer tournament
for DAAA for the first time.
820
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:39,779
Are you gonna play soccer?
821
00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,157
-[Tori] Are you gonna be
a soccer guy now?
-Yeah.
822
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,242
LPA is an organization,
Little People of America,
823
00:36:44,244 --> 00:36:46,870
and they host
an annual convention
every year.
824
00:36:46,947 --> 00:36:49,789
And the DAAA
is the sports organization
for Dwarfs.
825
00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:53,084
DAAA stands for
Dwarf Athletic
Association of America.
826
00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:56,796
I did a lot of DAAA
growing up,
played every year.
827
00:36:56,798 --> 00:37:00,383
And Jackson, he's gonna be
able to participate
with other kids with dwarfis
828
00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:03,595
So yeah, I'm excited to show
my kids that.
829
00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:07,557
[Zach and Tori laughing]
830
00:37:09,019 --> 00:37:10,936
What's your favorite
thing to do in soccer?
831
00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:12,437
[Zach] Shoot it!
832
00:37:13,649 --> 00:37:15,306
[Zach] Yeah.
833
00:37:15,308 --> 00:37:19,027
Um, I'm excited for
their first national meeting
in LPA.
834
00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:20,779
It's not J's first national.
835
00:37:20,855 --> 00:37:23,198
It's Lilah and Josiah's
first national.
836
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,950
It's his first national
and he knows what's going on.
837
00:37:25,026 --> 00:37:27,494
Participating and everything,
yeah.
838
00:37:27,496 --> 00:37:30,538
[Zach] Jackson went to
the Little People Conventio
in San Francisco.
839
00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:31,957
He was like, maybe two.
840
00:37:32,033 --> 00:37:34,376
He was too young to know
what was going on.
841
00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:37,545
I don't know
what he's gonna think
seeing a bunch of other...
842
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,839
you know,
people that look like Dad,
walking around.
843
00:37:39,916 --> 00:37:41,216
I hope he loves it.
844
00:37:41,218 --> 00:37:43,001
I think Tori and me
are on the same page
845
00:37:43,003 --> 00:37:45,387
when it comes to how much
are we gonna get together
with other LP's.
846
00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:47,347
I think we're gonna
give Jackson a chance.
847
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:49,557
We're gonna take him to LPA,
all these things,
848
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,017
create those relationships.
849
00:37:51,019 --> 00:37:53,603
But we're not gonna, like,
force it, or like...
850
00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:55,730
"You have to have
an LP friend."
851
00:37:55,732 --> 00:37:57,691
-[Tori] I've been to...
-Boston.
852
00:37:57,693 --> 00:37:59,526
and San Francisco.
853
00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:02,112
-Whoo!
-Nice, dude.
854
00:38:02,114 --> 00:38:05,573
This will be
my third national
that I've been to.
855
00:38:05,575 --> 00:38:06,674
I love LPA.
856
00:38:06,676 --> 00:38:08,076
It's a whole
week of socializing,
857
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,828
which is like,
my favorite thing to do.
858
00:38:10,414 --> 00:38:11,705
Play some soccer.
859
00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:13,999
Are you gonna be good,
though, Jackson?
860
00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:15,125
Are you gonna ball out?
861
00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:17,335
Okay. Don't embarrass me.
862
00:38:17,337 --> 00:38:19,963
I hope Jackson will enjoy
the conference.
863
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,258
I was super shy all the way
till I was, like, 20.
864
00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:25,427
I don't think
Jackson's like me, though.
865
00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:28,596
He's gonna jump right in,
make friends immediately,
so...
866
00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:30,390
I took all week
to get warmed up,
867
00:38:30,425 --> 00:38:31,891
and then
by the sixth day I'm like,
868
00:38:31,968 --> 00:38:33,768
"Do we have to leave?"
You know.
869
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:36,521
So I think
Jackson's gonna do
a lot better than I did.
870
00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:39,524
-I obsessed over DAAA
growing up.
-[Jackson] Dad, throw.
871
00:38:39,601 --> 00:38:42,319
It was like, what
my whole world
revolved around.
872
00:38:42,395 --> 00:38:43,820
Till you met me, right?
873
00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:47,115
-Even then,
took a couple of years.
-[Tori laughs]
874
00:38:47,117 --> 00:38:49,868
I just enjoyed
being on the field,
being part of a team,
875
00:38:49,944 --> 00:38:51,328
and playing
against other dwarfs.
876
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:53,747
You can potentially be
the fastest,
877
00:38:53,823 --> 00:38:55,790
you can potentially be
the tallest.
878
00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:57,408
You can potentially be,
879
00:38:57,410 --> 00:39:00,253
you know, other things that
maybe you can't be, back home.
880
00:39:03,008 --> 00:39:05,091
Sorry? That was on purpose.
881
00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,348
You're so sweaty.
882
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:14,267
[Zach] LPA is a good resourc
for people with dwarfism.
883
00:39:14,269 --> 00:39:17,354
So we definitely wanna
introduce LPA to our kids.
884
00:39:17,356 --> 00:39:20,190
I don't think
Jackson recognizes that
he's different yet,
885
00:39:20,266 --> 00:39:22,275
but eventually you realize,
886
00:39:22,277 --> 00:39:23,818
you know, that
you have dwarfism,
887
00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:25,362
and you're different
than everyone else.
888
00:39:25,364 --> 00:39:28,365
Playing sports was awesome
for my confidence,
889
00:39:28,441 --> 00:39:31,117
and I think
it'll be the same for Jackso
890
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:32,535
I'm sure
that's gonna be helpful.
891
00:39:32,612 --> 00:39:34,429
My mom, Chris,
892
00:39:34,431 --> 00:39:37,415
my dad, and Caryn
are all gonna be there
for at least a little bit.
893
00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:41,211
But I'm just
focused on Jackson
and my own responsibilities.
894
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:44,547
When we see my dad and Caryn,
it's not... it's whatever.
895
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:46,841
We'll be focused on
other things.
896
00:39:48,303 --> 00:39:49,844
Yes, there you go.
Good cut.
897
00:39:49,846 --> 00:39:52,305
Now turn, go to goal.
Big kick! Big kick!
898
00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:55,116
[straining]
899
00:39:55,118 --> 00:39:57,727
I don't know what the status
of the farm sale is,
it's my dad's issue.
900
00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,480
And, um,
I just don't worry about it.
901
00:40:00,515 --> 00:40:02,399
Tori and me
are just focused on,
you know, the new baby,
902
00:40:02,475 --> 00:40:05,819
raising our kids,
and making our best life
up here in Washington.
903
00:40:05,821 --> 00:40:09,030
I think Grandpa's gonna be
at your soccer, and Mimi.
904
00:40:10,617 --> 00:40:11,574
-Cha Cha and Chris.
-[Lilah] Mimi.
905
00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:15,245
-Mimi?
-[Lilah] Yeah.
906
00:40:15,321 --> 00:40:18,665
Caryn tells other people
that she's waiting
for our olive branch,
907
00:40:18,741 --> 00:40:21,376
and that olive branch...
908
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:24,629
...the dove took it
to another island,
I don't know.
909
00:40:24,631 --> 00:40:26,923
In the end, I think
everything worked out better
910
00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:31,302
I don't know that Matt
and Zach would've worked wel
on the farm anyway, and...
911
00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,972
I mean, we're happy with
where we are now.
912
00:40:33,974 --> 00:40:36,766
And I think like,
at what point
913
00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:39,853
am I going to allow
some sort of like...
914
00:40:39,855 --> 00:40:42,939
tumultuous relationship
like that
915
00:40:43,016 --> 00:40:44,232
to be a part of their lives.
916
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,484
Like, I don't want that.
917
00:40:46,561 --> 00:40:48,445
I don't want that to be...
918
00:40:48,447 --> 00:40:51,030
You know,
explaining to Jackson
every six months
919
00:40:51,107 --> 00:40:52,824
why we're not
going to the farm,
920
00:40:52,826 --> 00:40:54,784
or why, you know,
whatever's not happening.
921
00:40:54,786 --> 00:40:56,844
It's just not healthy.
922
00:40:56,846 --> 00:41:01,541
I mean, I'm not going to
just drop my children off
at their house any more
923
00:41:01,543 --> 00:41:03,543
because we're not good.
924
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:06,671
And like, I'm a huge believer
in, like, reconciliation,
925
00:41:06,673 --> 00:41:10,967
and in the future I hope that
we all figure our issues out,
and, like, we can move on.
926
00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:14,304
But right now, we're doing
our thing in battleground.
927
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:17,765
I'm tired of this.
I'm tired of talking
about this.
928
00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,143
And I just don't have
the energy for it right now.
929
00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:24,439
And so I don't have the energy
for this relationship
at this time.
930
00:41:26,526 --> 00:41:29,277
[Matt] Next on
Little People, Big World...
931
00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:31,738
Have you ever talked to Matt
about how you felt
932
00:41:31,814 --> 00:41:33,907
about this whole farm deal?
933
00:41:33,983 --> 00:41:35,533
We got into a little tiff,
934
00:41:35,535 --> 00:41:37,368
and he thinks
he's owned up
to all his mistakes.
935
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:39,621
-[Amy] I'm like...
-[laughs]
936
00:41:39,623 --> 00:41:42,290
I've noticed a change
with Amy speaking up.
937
00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:46,211
Now with the farm sale,
I think she just finally said,
"Enough.
938
00:41:46,287 --> 00:41:47,912
This is how I feel."
939
00:41:47,914 --> 00:41:51,591
And again with Matt,
you need to own up
to what you've done.
940
00:41:51,668 --> 00:41:52,900
[Zach] Go, Jackson, go!
941
00:41:52,902 --> 00:41:55,069
[Caryn] Getting
to watch Jackson,
942
00:41:55,071 --> 00:41:57,805
you know, in his little
soccer tournament
with not only his age group
943
00:41:57,807 --> 00:42:00,016
but they're all little
like him.
944
00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:01,392
And I don't know that
he's ever experienced that.
945
00:42:01,394 --> 00:42:02,685
Go the other way.
946
00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:04,354
When I went up
and said hi to Lilah,
947
00:42:04,356 --> 00:42:06,064
and I hadn't seen her
in a long time,
948
00:42:06,316 --> 00:42:07,690
my...
949
00:42:07,767 --> 00:42:10,235
She looking at me,
and I said, "Can I sit down?"
950
00:42:10,237 --> 00:42:12,612
I didn't know
if we would ever get there.
951
00:42:12,689 --> 00:42:16,741
[Zach] I feel like he's
getting close to realizing,
like, he's different.
952
00:42:16,818 --> 00:42:20,620
Part of the sad thing
of the transition of, like,
being a dwarf...
953
00:42:20,622 --> 00:42:24,374
That collision of confidence
and self-worth,
954
00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:25,833
and then reality.
955
00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:28,086
Eventually it will
catch onto him.
956
00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:29,295
Do you think about it?