1 00:00:01,393 --> 00:00:02,793 [Amy] Previously on Little People Big World... 2 00:00:02,795 --> 00:00:04,211 [Debi] How long are you guys gonna be gone? 3 00:00:04,213 --> 00:00:05,713 The 2nd through the 20th. 4 00:00:05,715 --> 00:00:08,924 We're going on an 18-day motorcycle trip. 5 00:00:09,001 --> 00:00:12,261 Our destination is Skagway, Alaska. 6 00:00:12,263 --> 00:00:14,013 Anything else going on? 7 00:00:14,015 --> 00:00:16,849 -You probably heard the farm's up for sale... -[Debi] I did hear. 8 00:00:16,851 --> 00:00:18,592 -[Amy] ...you know. -[Debi] And how do the kids feel? 9 00:00:18,594 --> 00:00:21,562 -You know, I think they're just ready to move on. -[Debi] Yeah. 10 00:00:21,638 --> 00:00:22,938 [Tori] Here comes big sis. 11 00:00:23,232 --> 00:00:24,565 He's so easy, 12 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,942 and I really am trying to just enjoy it this time 13 00:00:26,944 --> 00:00:28,902 'cause I don't think we're having any more. 14 00:00:28,904 --> 00:00:31,488 [Zach] We don't have plans for Caryn to meet Josiah. 15 00:00:31,532 --> 00:00:33,532 They still think they did nothing wrong. 16 00:00:33,609 --> 00:00:37,327 If two adults don't get along, and there's kids involved, 17 00:00:37,329 --> 00:00:39,455 the relationship with the kid's gonna suffer. 18 00:00:40,082 --> 00:00:41,206 It's hard. 19 00:00:41,283 --> 00:00:43,459 I love those kids like they were blood. 20 00:00:43,461 --> 00:00:47,171 I'm sure there were things that Matt said, or I jumped in. 21 00:00:47,173 --> 00:00:49,173 So I don't know what to do. 22 00:00:49,175 --> 00:00:53,052 I definitely made some mistakes along the way. 23 00:00:53,054 --> 00:00:55,429 I mean, I think Zach's very upset, you know. 24 00:00:59,518 --> 00:01:01,268 But everybody had different goals 25 00:01:01,270 --> 00:01:02,219 for their own individual lives. 26 00:01:02,221 --> 00:01:03,604 You can't blame 'em for that. 27 00:01:03,606 --> 00:01:05,856 I think that they did the right thing 28 00:01:05,858 --> 00:01:08,067 by creating a piece of their own world. 29 00:01:08,069 --> 00:01:09,651 I agree with that. 30 00:01:21,832 --> 00:01:24,291 Jackson, Mimi and Chris are coming back 31 00:01:24,368 --> 00:01:27,461 from their cross-country motorcycle ride. 32 00:01:27,538 --> 00:01:29,046 You know what a motorcycle is? 33 00:01:30,257 --> 00:01:31,423 You'll find out today. 34 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:32,740 You're gonna find out today. 35 00:01:32,742 --> 00:01:34,384 [Tori] I think they're, like, 30 minutes away. 36 00:01:34,428 --> 00:01:37,429 Mom is gonna start some lunch here for everybody. 37 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:42,476 They probably haven't had a home-cooked meal in a minute. 38 00:01:42,478 --> 00:01:45,270 Girlfriend, you had a home-cooked meal 11 minutes ago. 39 00:01:45,347 --> 00:01:46,480 -Okay. -[Zach] Yeah. 40 00:01:46,482 --> 00:01:48,524 -[baby whining] -Let's, like, chill. 41 00:01:48,526 --> 00:01:51,151 [Tori] Amy helped a ton when Josiah was born. 42 00:01:51,153 --> 00:01:53,779 I mean, we couldn't have done it without Amy. 43 00:01:53,781 --> 00:01:55,989 -Her stepping up and coming, and, like... -Yeah. 44 00:01:55,991 --> 00:01:57,324 ...taking care of both kids, 45 00:01:57,326 --> 00:01:59,284 like, that was a lot. 46 00:01:59,361 --> 00:02:02,871 And so making lunch for them as they come through from their motorcycle trip 47 00:02:02,906 --> 00:02:05,958 is, like, just something small that we can do for them. 48 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,168 [Zach] What a beautiful day. 49 00:02:08,170 --> 00:02:09,753 I'm tired of my thumb though. 50 00:02:09,755 --> 00:02:11,839 [Tori] Oh, your thumb. 51 00:02:11,841 --> 00:02:14,800 Tori, it is gonna be all about the thumb for the next couple of days. 52 00:02:14,802 --> 00:02:16,677 [Tori] It's never ending about the thumb. 53 00:02:16,679 --> 00:02:19,346 [Zach] A few days ago, I dislocated my thumb. 54 00:02:19,423 --> 00:02:22,182 -We were going to a birthday party... -A kid's birthday party. 55 00:02:22,184 --> 00:02:23,475 and that's where he fell. 56 00:02:23,477 --> 00:02:25,602 I fell right when we pulled up to the house. 57 00:02:25,646 --> 00:02:27,437 -We hadn't even gotten into the birthday party yet. -Yeah. 58 00:02:27,472 --> 00:02:30,858 I turned around and Zach's with a dislocated... 59 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:35,070 -[Zach] Blood. -...dysfunctional, like, disformed hand, 60 00:02:35,147 --> 00:02:37,531 runs into a kid's birthday party, 61 00:02:37,533 --> 00:02:39,741 and is like, "Is there a doctor?" 62 00:02:39,743 --> 00:02:41,326 I'm going... "What's going on? 63 00:02:41,328 --> 00:02:42,744 Am I about to, like, lose my hand?" 64 00:02:42,821 --> 00:02:45,122 So dramatic. He's so dramatic. 65 00:02:45,124 --> 00:02:48,250 -[Tori] It was on this side of the bone. -[Zach] I know it was. 66 00:02:49,253 --> 00:02:50,544 We ended up being fine, no break. 67 00:02:50,546 --> 00:02:52,004 We thought my hand was broken. 68 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,130 I thought his hand was broken. 69 00:02:53,132 --> 00:02:54,298 I thought my whole life was over. 70 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:55,591 Here. Lilah, here. 71 00:02:56,343 --> 00:02:57,551 Put that away. 72 00:03:00,556 --> 00:03:02,097 [Tori] Is Josiah good down there? 73 00:03:02,099 --> 00:03:03,932 I'm gonna go check on him right now. 74 00:03:04,977 --> 00:03:07,853 Um, I think he needs a new onesie. 75 00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:09,095 [Tori] Josiah is two months old 76 00:03:09,097 --> 00:03:10,189 and he's been doing really well. 77 00:03:10,191 --> 00:03:12,983 My only complaint about Josiah, 78 00:03:12,985 --> 00:03:14,902 he's such an easy baby, 79 00:03:14,978 --> 00:03:16,612 he just doesn't sleep at night. 80 00:03:16,614 --> 00:03:18,322 With Jackson and Lilah, 81 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:20,741 they would be, like, once a week maybe. 82 00:03:20,817 --> 00:03:23,202 They would go, like, five or six hours. 83 00:03:23,204 --> 00:03:25,078 And we don't get that with Josiah. 84 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,456 Josiah's like two hours 50 minutes, 85 00:03:27,458 --> 00:03:28,999 he's up ready to eat. 86 00:03:29,043 --> 00:03:30,959 So I can't get any sleep. 87 00:03:31,086 --> 00:03:32,461 It's hard. 88 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:35,464 Well, Tori, he's sleeping so quietly. 89 00:03:35,466 --> 00:03:37,174 [Tori] Oh, hey, no, no, no. Don't wake him up. 90 00:03:37,218 --> 00:03:39,718 My tolerance is so much different than Tori. 91 00:03:39,795 --> 00:03:42,763 Tori's tolerance for crying, anything, is very, very small. 92 00:03:42,839 --> 00:03:44,539 And then she gets mad at me 93 00:03:44,541 --> 00:03:46,266 She's like, "Zach, are you just gonna let him cry?" 94 00:03:46,268 --> 00:03:49,019 I'm like, "He's been crying for, like, two minutes." 95 00:03:49,021 --> 00:03:51,855 Nowhere near my, like, limit. 96 00:03:51,857 --> 00:03:54,608 So the whole night-time routine can be very challenging. 97 00:03:54,610 --> 00:03:55,609 [Tori chuckles] 98 00:04:00,366 --> 00:04:01,823 That's so gross. 99 00:04:02,284 --> 00:04:03,909 Stop, okay? 100 00:04:03,911 --> 00:04:05,744 There's times, yeah, we feel outnumbered. 101 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:08,538 There's times, and, like... yeah. Jackson has his needs, 102 00:04:08,540 --> 00:04:10,791 Lilah has hers, and then Josiah. 103 00:04:10,793 --> 00:04:13,001 And it's like we're getting pulled in different directions. 104 00:04:13,078 --> 00:04:15,796 But, like, we're super blessed with three kids, healthy kids, 105 00:04:15,798 --> 00:04:17,923 very good, well-behaved kids. 106 00:04:18,717 --> 00:04:21,093 [Zach] Um, I wonder how far out they are. 107 00:04:21,095 --> 00:04:23,887 They said 1:30, so that's 10 minutes. 108 00:04:23,931 --> 00:04:25,514 Tori, I think we need to speed this up. 109 00:04:26,058 --> 00:04:26,932 Do we not? 110 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:30,310 Why does everyone just smell? 111 00:04:30,312 --> 00:04:33,146 [Zach] We cannot all smell like lavender 24/7. 112 00:04:33,223 --> 00:04:34,147 [Tori] Why? 113 00:04:46,745 --> 00:04:49,037 [Tori] Oh, I can hear 'em. 114 00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:51,832 [Chris] We're on our last da of the trip, day 18. 115 00:04:51,908 --> 00:04:54,793 It's been a great journey. A lot of amazing sights. 116 00:04:54,795 --> 00:04:59,006 But we're both ready for it to be over. You know, we... [laughs] 117 00:04:59,041 --> 00:05:01,216 [Amy] Well, it'll be good to see those grandkids. 118 00:05:01,218 --> 00:05:04,928 18 days is long enough. We're anxious to get home, 119 00:05:04,972 --> 00:05:07,973 and actually kinda get back to our normal life 120 00:05:08,050 --> 00:05:09,141 and see how everyone's doing. 121 00:05:09,217 --> 00:05:10,534 [Tori] Mimi's here. 122 00:05:10,536 --> 00:05:11,718 -[Zach] What's up guys? -[Chris] Hey, Zach! 123 00:05:11,795 --> 00:05:14,354 [Amy] It's been so long since I've seen you. 124 00:05:14,356 --> 00:05:16,023 [Chris] Aw. Hi, Tori. 125 00:05:16,025 --> 00:05:18,191 [Amy] Hi! 126 00:05:18,193 --> 00:05:21,153 [Amy] Did you get... Oh, look at that! 127 00:05:21,229 --> 00:05:24,031 That is so cute. Did you do this for me? 128 00:05:24,033 --> 00:05:27,659 Listen, can I have a hug from you too? 129 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:31,538 [Amy] When I'm gone that long, I kinda, like, feel disconnected. 130 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:35,167 So, it's always nice to come home to seeing famil 131 00:05:35,169 --> 00:05:38,086 Oh, is this what you made for Chris and I? 132 00:05:38,088 --> 00:05:42,424 Yeah, it made me feel great that they ran up to me and said, "Mimi!" you know. 133 00:05:42,426 --> 00:05:44,384 I absolutely miss them. 134 00:05:44,386 --> 00:05:49,639 Oh my gosh. It's been so long since I've seen him. 135 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:52,100 [gasps] Look, here. You wanna get up, too? 136 00:05:52,728 --> 00:05:53,602 Here. 137 00:05:54,188 --> 00:05:55,562 Look at him. 138 00:05:55,564 --> 00:05:58,065 Oh, is he just adorable? 139 00:05:58,141 --> 00:06:00,275 -[Tori] He's chunked up a little bit... -[Amy] Yeah. 140 00:06:00,277 --> 00:06:01,818 [Amy] ...since you last saw. It's been what, three weeks? 141 00:06:01,820 --> 00:06:04,738 I tell you, this trip, it was long. 142 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:08,450 We didn't see as much wildlife as I had expected. 143 00:06:08,452 --> 00:06:11,036 So we saw a lot of wildlife as far as, you know... 144 00:06:11,038 --> 00:06:12,871 [Amy] We don't need to lie. 145 00:06:12,873 --> 00:06:15,248 [Tori] Wait I love this. She just said, "I didn't see any wildlife." 146 00:06:15,325 --> 00:06:16,833 And then he goes, "I saw a lot of wildlife." 147 00:06:16,835 --> 00:06:20,128 No, we didn't see as much as I had expected. 148 00:06:20,205 --> 00:06:22,923 We saw a lot of bears, black bears and grizzly bears. 149 00:06:22,999 --> 00:06:25,092 We same some. We saw one grizzly. 150 00:06:25,094 --> 00:06:29,846 We saw a bear, like, quickly run across the road and into the bush. 151 00:06:29,848 --> 00:06:34,768 Then I'm like, "Well, can you just hang out for a moment?" 152 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:37,521 I mean, there are moose crossing signs everywhere. 153 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:38,605 -So apparently... -[Amy] Oh, yeah. 154 00:06:38,607 --> 00:06:40,899 But we never saw one, yeah. 155 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:42,275 The animals knew that we were coming. 156 00:06:42,277 --> 00:06:44,194 Wildlife knew that we were coming and said, 157 00:06:44,196 --> 00:06:46,113 "Well, we're not showing up for the party." 158 00:06:46,115 --> 00:06:48,115 I blame the whistle. 159 00:06:48,117 --> 00:06:50,033 I have a deer whistle on my bike, 160 00:06:50,035 --> 00:06:53,578 and it doesn't scare them. It just lets them know that you're there. 161 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:55,455 So hopefully, they don't step out in front of you. 162 00:06:55,457 --> 00:06:57,791 And apparently, that really worked. 163 00:06:57,793 --> 00:07:00,794 They didn't even step close to the bike. [laughs] 164 00:07:00,796 --> 00:07:04,089 Going over the Rockies was the best part. 165 00:07:04,091 --> 00:07:07,426 When we were going over there we saw a lot Stone sheep and bighorn sheep. 166 00:07:07,502 --> 00:07:10,679 Granted everyone thought we'd see more than what we did, 167 00:07:10,755 --> 00:07:14,641 but we still saw more wildlife 168 00:07:14,643 --> 00:07:17,436 than I have on any trip that I've made in the States. 169 00:07:17,438 --> 00:07:19,587 We ran into some wild bison 170 00:07:19,589 --> 00:07:23,066 And then there was one poin where there were couple of young bears 171 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:25,569 that were black bears that were playing next to the road, 172 00:07:25,571 --> 00:07:27,320 and I kinda coasted up next to 'em. 173 00:07:27,397 --> 00:07:28,930 Uh, so that was kinda fun. 174 00:07:28,932 --> 00:07:31,116 [Zach] That's way cool seeing those animals on a bike. 175 00:07:31,118 --> 00:07:33,827 Well, especially when they jog across the road, you know. And we pulled-- 176 00:07:33,904 --> 00:07:36,204 -Are you talking about the sheep? -No, the bears. 177 00:07:36,206 --> 00:07:38,748 -That's way cool. -We saw two of those. 178 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:40,500 -That is the coolest thing I've ever heard. -[Chris] Yeah. 179 00:07:40,577 --> 00:07:44,254 -Negative Nancy over here. -No, we passed people that saw 15 bears. 180 00:07:44,256 --> 00:07:45,714 [Zach] Okay, you can't judge. 181 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:48,300 -We saw maybe three. -That's their experience. 182 00:07:48,302 --> 00:07:49,801 [Zach] Chris says they saw a lot of wildlife. 183 00:07:49,803 --> 00:07:52,220 My mom says they hardly saw any. 184 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:53,847 I think they have two different versions. 185 00:07:53,924 --> 00:07:55,140 I also think that's my mom, though. 186 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:57,893 My mom's more pessimistic, she's more... 187 00:07:57,895 --> 00:08:01,313 She sets hugely high expectations every time, 188 00:08:01,315 --> 00:08:03,648 and then almost always gets disappointed. 189 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:07,402 They didn't see a moose, so that means they didn't see anything. It's like, ah. 190 00:08:07,437 --> 00:08:09,362 Boy, something sure smells good. 191 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:11,114 [Tori] Yeah, whenever you guys are hungry. 192 00:08:11,116 --> 00:08:13,074 We got chicken orzo in the pot and some salad. 193 00:08:13,076 --> 00:08:17,078 Let's get them some food, and then we can... We can talk while they eat. 194 00:08:17,155 --> 00:08:19,915 [Amy] I think what made it nice to, uh, you know, 195 00:08:19,991 --> 00:08:21,791 show up at Zach and Tori's. 196 00:08:21,793 --> 00:08:24,127 I thought it was very specia 197 00:08:24,129 --> 00:08:26,755 Because, you know, we weren't, like, in a restaurant 198 00:08:26,831 --> 00:08:28,089 with all these other people around. 199 00:08:28,091 --> 00:08:29,365 It just felt like... 200 00:08:29,367 --> 00:08:32,260 "Phew, okay, I think we're almost home." 201 00:08:32,337 --> 00:08:33,720 [Tori] Amy, do you want me to dish you up? 202 00:08:33,722 --> 00:08:35,388 [Amy] Oh, yeah. Just a little bit. 203 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:37,073 [Chris] Mmm. This is good, Tori. 204 00:08:37,075 --> 00:08:40,519 [Tori] I figured it's hearty, and will fill you up quickly. 205 00:08:40,521 --> 00:08:43,563 I don't think we've ever had more than just an hour or two 206 00:08:43,565 --> 00:08:45,190 where we can just sit and relax. 207 00:08:45,192 --> 00:08:47,859 So we're... I'm looking forward to a day or two of that. 208 00:08:47,936 --> 00:08:50,570 [Tori] Did you guys have any days where you stayed in one place? 209 00:08:50,647 --> 00:08:52,447 -No. One night and moving on. Yeah. -One night. 210 00:08:52,449 --> 00:08:54,366 You know, it just comes down to math. 211 00:08:54,368 --> 00:08:57,702 We've got a certain distance to cover in so many days. 212 00:08:57,704 --> 00:08:59,246 Now we're on our way back home 213 00:08:59,322 --> 00:09:02,624 and it's just a wet, cold, gloomy day. 214 00:09:02,701 --> 00:09:05,710 On our ride back, it was foggy, it was cold. 215 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:11,132 It was little bit rainy, windy, and then snow came. 216 00:09:11,209 --> 00:09:15,554 I was getting nervous because my face shield was icing up, it was hard to see. 217 00:09:15,630 --> 00:09:19,307 There's no cover anywhere. I mean, we really couldn't stop. 218 00:09:19,309 --> 00:09:21,017 And we're out in the middle of nowhere. 219 00:09:21,019 --> 00:09:22,811 That was miserable. 220 00:09:22,813 --> 00:09:24,563 I was just thinking, "Lord, you know what? 221 00:09:24,565 --> 00:09:26,815 Just protect us, keep us safe." 222 00:09:26,817 --> 00:09:28,858 It was scary. [chuckles] 223 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:31,361 But, you know, British Columbia is gorgeous. 224 00:09:31,363 --> 00:09:33,863 -It's just absolutely gorgeous. -[Chris] Yeah. 225 00:09:33,865 --> 00:09:35,949 That's way cool. I'm jealous. 226 00:09:36,026 --> 00:09:39,327 My mom has a tattoo now. She rides motorcycles. 227 00:09:39,404 --> 00:09:41,955 When I was a kid, none of these things would've ever happened. 228 00:09:41,957 --> 00:09:43,823 She's definitely like... 229 00:09:43,825 --> 00:09:46,585 You know, maybe she wasn't herself because she had kids, 230 00:09:46,587 --> 00:09:50,005 and she felt like, "Because I'm a mom I have to..." 231 00:09:50,007 --> 00:09:54,259 She loved being a mom, but now she's maybe being more of herself. 232 00:09:54,336 --> 00:09:56,595 -Well, that's an adventure. -It was. 233 00:09:56,597 --> 00:09:59,014 It was good. And I'm glad Chris and I... 234 00:09:59,016 --> 00:10:02,100 Look at that, we're smiling at each other. 235 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:05,312 We had little bumps, I think, like any married couple would. 236 00:10:05,314 --> 00:10:07,522 I thought it would be a test. I mean, you know, 237 00:10:07,599 --> 00:10:10,984 spending, you know, 18 days every day on a bike-- 238 00:10:10,986 --> 00:10:13,528 -"Vacation time." -...and this close together. 239 00:10:13,605 --> 00:10:16,323 [Chris] But, you know, I think we came back just as strong as ever. 240 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,533 -Don't you? -I do too. You're right. 241 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:21,870 We... No, you're right. We did have a few bumps here and there, 242 00:10:21,872 --> 00:10:24,831 -but we managed to ride through it. -[Chris] Yeah. 243 00:10:24,833 --> 00:10:27,626 [Amy] And, um, still come out on top. 244 00:10:27,628 --> 00:10:29,711 She wasn't too bow-legged after the trip. 245 00:10:29,713 --> 00:10:30,754 [both laugh] 246 00:10:30,756 --> 00:10:32,172 [Amy straining] 247 00:10:32,248 --> 00:10:33,798 [Tori] Good job, Lilah. 248 00:10:34,426 --> 00:10:36,551 Oh, wow. That looks miserable. 249 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:38,136 -No, that looks super comfy. -You did that? 250 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:40,472 -[Tori] Girl, uh-uh. -18 days. 251 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:42,223 [Chris] Yeah, she's got the best seat in the house. 252 00:10:42,225 --> 00:10:43,475 [Zach] Yeah, what are you complaining about? 253 00:10:43,477 --> 00:10:45,935 [Amy] Okay. It's gonna sound really loud. 254 00:10:45,937 --> 00:10:48,271 -[bike engine revs] -Yeah, cover your ears. 255 00:10:48,273 --> 00:10:49,731 [bike engine whirring] 256 00:10:49,733 --> 00:10:52,058 -All right. -[Tori] Bye. 257 00:10:52,060 --> 00:10:55,570 [Zach] That was great to see my mom and Chris after a long time on the roa 258 00:10:55,647 --> 00:10:58,031 You know, they were excited to see the kids, they looked good. 259 00:10:58,033 --> 00:10:59,883 We were able to give them a meal 260 00:10:59,885 --> 00:11:03,536 for everything they've done for us recently with Josiah coming. 261 00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:06,331 And, um, we're glad they're home safe. 262 00:11:09,044 --> 00:11:10,410 [Matt] Coming up... 263 00:11:10,486 --> 00:11:15,090 I realized I sometimes am a little sensitive. 264 00:11:15,092 --> 00:11:16,883 So what you may think is, all okay, 265 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,927 I look at it as critical. 266 00:11:18,929 --> 00:11:22,806 There are moments where, you know, it goes back to my childhood, that... 267 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,267 Yeah. [sniffles] 268 00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:27,686 [Matt] And later... 269 00:11:27,762 --> 00:11:29,979 -[Matt] Hey -Thank you for inviting us. 270 00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:32,607 My good friend Brian and his wife Jerry, 271 00:11:32,609 --> 00:11:35,151 flew in from Texas a couple of days ago. 272 00:11:35,195 --> 00:11:37,779 What did you guys think of Matt when you first met him? 273 00:11:37,781 --> 00:11:39,989 You were a nice guy, you were nice to me. 274 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:42,409 You smiled straight to my face when you stabbed me in the back. 275 00:11:42,411 --> 00:11:43,927 [all laughing] 276 00:11:53,797 --> 00:11:55,797 [Caryn] You wanna come and sit at the table, 277 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:58,258 -and I'll get you a bagel? -[Matt] Yeah. 278 00:11:58,260 --> 00:12:00,969 -[Caryn] Liam! -[Matt] Liam's so funny. 279 00:12:01,045 --> 00:12:02,578 You want some breakfast? 280 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:05,473 It's Friday, and I watch my grandson on Fridays. 281 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:08,309 And so today Matt came over and joined us for breakfast. 282 00:12:08,812 --> 00:12:10,645 [Caryn] Okay. 283 00:12:10,647 --> 00:12:13,231 I don't wanna have to change you five times. 284 00:12:14,025 --> 00:12:15,442 Right? 285 00:12:15,444 --> 00:12:17,610 Maybe Grandpa will give you a bite. 286 00:12:17,612 --> 00:12:18,987 -Mmm-hmm. -[Caryn] What do you think? 287 00:12:19,063 --> 00:12:20,029 [Matt] I could try. 288 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,355 [Caryn] You want some yogurt? 289 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:23,908 [Matt] Bob and Jodie had just left, 290 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:26,161 they spent about five or six days here. 291 00:12:26,237 --> 00:12:29,247 And we always have such a great time catching up on life. 292 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:32,125 Bob and Jodie's visit was really nice. 293 00:12:32,127 --> 00:12:33,585 They're good people, you know, 294 00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:35,236 and salt of the earth. 295 00:12:35,313 --> 00:12:38,715 -Did Bob give you any fatherhood advice? -[Matt] You know, 296 00:12:38,717 --> 00:12:42,010 I don't know about advice as much as just good perspective. 297 00:12:42,086 --> 00:12:44,596 You know, he knows I'm in a tough spot. 298 00:12:44,598 --> 00:12:48,516 I was able to share with him how disheartening it is 299 00:12:48,518 --> 00:12:49,809 that my kids aren't just celebrating 300 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:52,729 what they... you know, experiences that they had 301 00:12:52,773 --> 00:12:56,900 instead of focusing so much on what they're not gonna have in the future. 302 00:12:56,902 --> 00:12:59,235 They're really focused on... 303 00:12:59,237 --> 00:13:04,324 Especially Zach, you know, kinda ruining the memories, uh, the good memories. 304 00:13:05,452 --> 00:13:07,952 Maybe they weren't so good after all. 305 00:13:08,997 --> 00:13:10,580 [Caryn] This whole thing has been painful, 306 00:13:10,582 --> 00:13:13,958 painful for Matt and I, painful for Zach and Tori. 307 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,711 I don't know how long it's been since I've seen Jackson. 308 00:13:16,713 --> 00:13:17,962 It feels like forever. 309 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:20,173 And I haven't got to see Josiah yet. 310 00:13:20,175 --> 00:13:22,884 I'm lucky enough to have my own grandson be in my space. 311 00:13:22,961 --> 00:13:25,804 It makes me miss those grandkids even more 312 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,183 because Jackson and Lilah were a huge, huge part of my life and Matt's. 313 00:13:30,185 --> 00:13:34,103 And so this rift with us... 314 00:13:34,105 --> 00:13:38,441 The fact that it's still going on is heartbreaking, really. 315 00:13:38,443 --> 00:13:41,611 And I kinda feel like I'm le not knowing what to do. 316 00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:43,947 Do you want a little potato? 317 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:45,365 Okay. Good job. 318 00:13:45,441 --> 00:13:47,575 It's been hard, you know, having to drag Caryn 319 00:13:47,577 --> 00:13:49,953 into, you know, the family drama, I mean, 320 00:13:49,955 --> 00:13:52,956 the Zach and Tori thing has been a little bit challenging, 321 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:55,834 but we do what we can, and focus on those relationships that are, 322 00:13:55,836 --> 00:13:58,127 um... That are, you know, working. 323 00:13:58,129 --> 00:14:02,632 So, Brian, my buddy from Texas is gonna be out with Jerry, his wife. 324 00:14:02,676 --> 00:14:06,344 And, uh, I think you've never met 'em, but you're gonna enjoy 'em. 325 00:14:06,421 --> 00:14:08,404 -[Matt] And, uh, so-- -[Caryn] Does... 326 00:14:08,406 --> 00:14:12,308 -So, would he know Amy because of the history? -[Matt] Absolutely. Yep. 327 00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:14,519 [Matt] I met Brian quite a few years ago 328 00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:16,896 from the Little People of America conference. 329 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:20,817 We have these big conferences once a year all over the United States. 330 00:14:20,819 --> 00:14:23,903 Brian is an LP, but his wife Jerry, is average-height. 331 00:14:23,905 --> 00:14:27,282 And they had only been to Oregon years ago, and they had seen the farm. 332 00:14:27,284 --> 00:14:30,159 They were well overdue for a visit. 333 00:14:30,161 --> 00:14:32,328 And so we're gonna hang out here, 334 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:35,081 and have, as Brian would say, "A good ol' time." 335 00:14:35,158 --> 00:14:38,960 You know, I was thinking because Amy knows Brian and Jerry too, 336 00:14:38,962 --> 00:14:42,213 maybe we should have them over and have some kind of a... 337 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,257 -maybe a barbeque... -[Caryn] Wait a minute, let me get this straight. 338 00:14:44,259 --> 00:14:46,593 So it will be Brian, a little person, 339 00:14:46,595 --> 00:14:49,304 you a little person, and Amy a little person. 340 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,472 And then all of your significant others, 341 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:54,100 -Chris, myself and Jerry are all tall. -[Matt] Yeah. 342 00:14:54,177 --> 00:14:57,312 It's gonna be interesting to hear... kinda everybody's experiences 343 00:14:57,314 --> 00:15:01,316 on being, you know, half average height and half little people. 344 00:15:01,318 --> 00:15:05,278 Makes for some interesting conversation, to say the least. 345 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,822 [Caryn sighs] Have you heard any word from the realtor 346 00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:10,491 on, uh, the farm sale? 347 00:15:10,568 --> 00:15:13,536 There's one, you know, one potential that... 348 00:15:13,538 --> 00:15:17,040 The one that... The most... really, really interesting to me. 349 00:15:17,042 --> 00:15:19,500 -The one from Arizona? -Yeah. 350 00:15:19,502 --> 00:15:21,160 You know, they have a lot of kids. 351 00:15:21,162 --> 00:15:24,130 They just seem like a really responsible, mature couple. 352 00:15:24,165 --> 00:15:26,315 -[Caryn] Oh, that would be good. -[Matt] Mmm-hmm. 353 00:15:26,317 --> 00:15:29,552 [Matt] You know, I'm hoping that the house and farm goes to a family. 354 00:15:29,554 --> 00:15:33,765 There's one that I really like, and kinda hope, pulling for. 355 00:15:33,841 --> 00:15:38,061 But, you know, it's a lot to think about before they spend that kind of money. 356 00:15:38,063 --> 00:15:41,731 -Buying the farm is not an impulse purchase. -[Matt] No. 357 00:15:41,775 --> 00:15:43,099 It's a pretty hearty... 358 00:15:43,101 --> 00:15:46,069 Well, I estimate six months, so we'll see. 359 00:15:46,071 --> 00:15:51,532 I always predicted it's a six to twelve months cycle to sell this farm. 360 00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,284 So we're just at the very beginning of it. 361 00:15:53,361 --> 00:15:55,870 You know, it's not a fun process, 362 00:15:55,872 --> 00:15:58,206 but, um, that's the process 363 00:15:58,208 --> 00:16:01,584 that I'm prepared to muscle through. 364 00:16:01,586 --> 00:16:04,796 "I'm done. I'm all done." Yes? Okay. 365 00:16:04,872 --> 00:16:06,447 [Matt] He's full, Cha Cha. 366 00:16:13,515 --> 00:16:15,723 Okay, those are all the flowers that I gotta do, babe. 367 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:17,392 Yeah, I put 'em there. 368 00:16:17,394 --> 00:16:18,935 [Amy] Oh, yeah. That's right. 369 00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:23,106 The trip to Alaska on the motorcycle ride was great, 370 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:25,441 but it's always nice to come home. 371 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:26,892 Yeah, I mean, we have a lot of, 372 00:16:26,969 --> 00:16:29,070 uh, several outdoor projects that need to be done, 373 00:16:29,147 --> 00:16:31,047 and it's time to get busy. 374 00:16:31,049 --> 00:16:34,200 -This is gonna be your herb garden area, right? -Pretty much, yeah. 375 00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:36,143 Might have a tomato plant. 376 00:16:36,145 --> 00:16:40,164 So my idea is you do a row of pots here and another row of pots here. 377 00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,542 So you can get to this row from outside, 378 00:16:42,618 --> 00:16:44,419 -[Chris] you get to the other row from the inside. -[Amy] Sure. 379 00:16:44,495 --> 00:16:46,504 What's gonna be in between these two pots? 380 00:16:46,581 --> 00:16:49,090 The pots are gonna be together, just like this. 381 00:16:49,092 --> 00:16:50,883 -Oh. -Just like you got here. 382 00:16:50,885 --> 00:16:54,137 So that you can walk back there and get to this row. 383 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,764 See, that's why we're talking about this and having a visual. 384 00:16:57,934 --> 00:16:59,350 I thought it was clear! 385 00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:02,437 No. See, don't... You know what? Don't assume that. 386 00:17:02,472 --> 00:17:05,523 It wasn't clear to me. We're looking at this differently, 387 00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:07,984 -and our words comprehend different. -[Chris] I know. 388 00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:09,777 We're just apples and oranges sometimes. 389 00:17:09,779 --> 00:17:14,907 Well, just be patient. So what if I didn't get it. 390 00:17:14,909 --> 00:17:19,454 In my mind I feel like I'm explaining it very well, very logically. 391 00:17:19,456 --> 00:17:22,123 It makes sense, no argument needed. 392 00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,958 And then sometimes I get a little frustrated 393 00:17:24,035 --> 00:17:27,086 'cause Amy's not catching on. She's not seeing the vision. 394 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:29,005 Okay, hon, I think we have a plan. 395 00:17:29,007 --> 00:17:30,423 [Amy] Thank goodness. 396 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,342 See, we can still work together, babe. 397 00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:35,678 Just have to hammer it out now. 398 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,307 -See, you can't think like that. -[Chris] What? 399 00:17:39,309 --> 00:17:41,350 -Hammering it out. -[Chris] That's a business term. 400 00:17:41,352 --> 00:17:43,936 -[Chris] It's an expression. -Oh, gosh. 401 00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:47,106 -[Amy] Well, just like the motorcycle ride. -Don't get so offended. 402 00:17:47,183 --> 00:17:48,357 [Amy] I am sensitive to that. 403 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,902 You're right, I recognize that. 404 00:17:50,904 --> 00:17:55,156 I think it has a lot to do with trying to be so careful 405 00:17:55,233 --> 00:17:57,075 about my image and how people look... 406 00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:59,160 ...at me throughout my whole life. 407 00:17:59,162 --> 00:18:01,454 Because all it it takes is one little thing, 408 00:18:01,456 --> 00:18:05,166 -and then, poof, you're dismissed. -[Chris] Hmm. 409 00:18:05,168 --> 00:18:07,794 [Amy] There are moments wher maybe Chris may say somethin 410 00:18:07,796 --> 00:18:10,129 and it's innocent on his part, 411 00:18:10,131 --> 00:18:14,467 but to me it's like, "What are you doing?" Like, what?" 412 00:18:14,469 --> 00:18:17,845 I do have a tendency to be a little more sensitiv 413 00:18:17,847 --> 00:18:21,891 because I still have that old adage from growing up, 414 00:18:21,893 --> 00:18:26,437 you know, trying to fit in, trying to meet other people's expectations. 415 00:18:26,439 --> 00:18:30,817 Those elements... I definitely know came into my marriage with Matt. 416 00:18:30,893 --> 00:18:34,904 There was a lot where I didn't feel as supported or encouraged. 417 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:38,616 And when you have that a little bit over time, 418 00:18:38,618 --> 00:18:41,744 uh, you know, it can deflate you. 419 00:18:41,746 --> 00:18:45,957 So you're right, I sometimes am a little sensitive. 420 00:18:46,668 --> 00:18:48,960 So what you may think is all okay, 421 00:18:48,995 --> 00:18:50,253 I look at it as critical. 422 00:18:50,255 --> 00:18:52,046 But is it really critical? 423 00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:55,424 -You know. -Yeah, it's not. 424 00:18:56,511 --> 00:18:58,886 [Amy] Matt and I had disagreements and stuff 425 00:18:58,963 --> 00:19:01,681 Uh, it's probably more that I didn't understand. 426 00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:03,724 And so we would just walk away. 427 00:19:03,726 --> 00:19:06,352 But I never felt like thing were ever settled. 428 00:19:06,429 --> 00:19:10,273 But I think with Chris, being older and the second time around, 429 00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,942 it's more, "I wanna understand you." 430 00:19:12,986 --> 00:19:14,527 And he wants to understand me. 431 00:19:14,529 --> 00:19:18,281 So we take the time to do that. 432 00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:22,702 I've gotta think that most people, as they get older, 433 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:24,912 are more open, more sharing, 434 00:19:24,989 --> 00:19:27,957 um, more relaxed. 435 00:19:27,959 --> 00:19:30,042 -[Amy] Um, they are. -Yeah. 436 00:19:30,044 --> 00:19:34,005 But that doesn't equate that, you know, you be an ass to each other 437 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,841 during the major part of, you know, being together. 438 00:19:36,843 --> 00:19:41,762 Yeah. But part of that, to me, is that... 439 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:46,309 ...it's our responsibility to try to accept a person, who they are today--- 440 00:19:46,344 --> 00:19:48,269 -[Amy] Yeah. -...and not who they were, 441 00:19:48,346 --> 00:19:50,479 because we're all changing and growing. 442 00:19:50,481 --> 00:19:51,805 I realized, 443 00:19:51,807 --> 00:19:54,650 in order to move forward you can't be stuck-- 444 00:19:54,652 --> 00:19:56,360 -[Chris] No, you can't. -...at the wall. 445 00:19:56,437 --> 00:20:01,073 You gotta figure out how to get over it or change it or something. 446 00:20:01,075 --> 00:20:03,201 -I'm glad to help you over that wall. -[Amy laughs] 447 00:20:04,162 --> 00:20:05,411 Give you a little push. 448 00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:07,955 Whoops! There she goes. 449 00:20:10,585 --> 00:20:15,379 I think early on that I had to push Amy sometimes to talk about stuff. 450 00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:18,299 I think part of me struggled internally. 451 00:20:18,376 --> 00:20:23,012 I was also afraid that I... that if I didn't say something right 452 00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:27,600 or say it in a way that... "Oh, he'd be walking out the door." 453 00:20:27,602 --> 00:20:30,228 Um... yeah. 454 00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:33,648 [sniffles] Anyway. 455 00:20:33,724 --> 00:20:36,484 -[Chris] It's all good now. -Yeah, it is. It really is. 456 00:20:36,486 --> 00:20:38,903 But I think it's the old adage of... 457 00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:43,491 you know, there are moments where, you know, it goes back to my childhood, that... 458 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,745 I'm just glad he thinks I'm good enough. 459 00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:52,124 -More than good enough. -So... I don't why I cried. But, anyway. 460 00:20:52,126 --> 00:20:53,209 [Amy] And I think the older you get, 461 00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:55,211 thank God you're a little wiser. 462 00:20:55,213 --> 00:20:59,632 Unfortunately, too bad we don't have this wisdom when we're younger. 463 00:20:59,634 --> 00:21:01,150 Hard-knocks. 464 00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:04,262 [Chris] So are we still doing a barbeque at Matt's? 465 00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:08,224 [Amy] Yeah. He invited Brian Templeton 466 00:21:08,226 --> 00:21:10,159 -and his wife. -Yeah. 467 00:21:10,161 --> 00:21:14,981 Brian and Jerry are an LP and average-sized couple, they're married. 468 00:21:14,983 --> 00:21:18,985 So not only would it be interesting for Chris to meet, 469 00:21:18,987 --> 00:21:21,570 but having been married to a little person, 470 00:21:21,572 --> 00:21:25,324 I'm interested in just knowing their perspective as well. 471 00:21:25,326 --> 00:21:27,952 I'm appreciative that, um... 472 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:32,331 -Matt opened up the barbeque to us. -[Chris] Mmm-hmm. 473 00:21:32,333 --> 00:21:35,293 Because in the past it would be like, 474 00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:37,628 "Oh, no. Go figure out your own barbeque 475 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,881 because, you know, I did this, and these are my friends," and... 476 00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:42,282 You know, all this other stuff. 477 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,094 There are certain moments and incidents over time, 478 00:21:45,096 --> 00:21:47,471 throughout the years when I was married with Matt... 479 00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:49,724 It was separate. It's like, "Oh, no, these are my friends. 480 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,475 Those are your friends." 481 00:21:51,477 --> 00:21:54,103 I'm like, "Well, can't they be all our friends?" 482 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:57,273 And so, um, I was very appreciative 483 00:21:57,275 --> 00:21:59,650 for Chris and I to be included, to be invited. 484 00:21:59,727 --> 00:22:04,989 And looking forward to, you know, just seeing how we all get along. 485 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,074 [Chris] All right, hon, even though it's Friday night, 486 00:22:07,076 --> 00:22:09,368 I'm happy with doing some drinks here and... 487 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:10,995 -Friday night. -Yeah. 488 00:22:11,072 --> 00:22:14,206 Oh, aren't we ripping and roaring. [laughs] 489 00:22:14,208 --> 00:22:17,626 -Ah, Friday nights, old people style. -[Amy laughs] 490 00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:20,396 [Amy] Coming up. 491 00:22:20,398 --> 00:22:21,922 -Caryn, have you ever gone to one? -No. 492 00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:25,134 It'll be interesting to see if you and I get the daggers. 493 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:28,095 [Amy] I think some of the nervousness I may have 494 00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:30,139 with bringing Chris to an LPA conference 495 00:22:30,141 --> 00:22:33,934 is, you know, how other little people would perceive him 496 00:22:33,936 --> 00:22:36,687 'cause they've known me being married to Matt for so long. 497 00:22:36,764 --> 00:22:39,690 You know, a little person dating an average-sized back then... 498 00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:42,860 that was like almost taboo. It's like, "How dare you." 499 00:22:50,953 --> 00:22:52,078 [Caryn] Hey, hey, hey. 500 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,080 -[Caryn] Hi, guys. -[Matt] Hey. 501 00:22:54,082 --> 00:22:55,289 [Matt] You guys made it. 502 00:22:55,291 --> 00:22:56,624 [Amy] Thank you for inviting us. 503 00:22:56,626 --> 00:22:59,293 [Caryn] Oh, that's beautiful! Thanks, guys. 504 00:22:59,295 --> 00:23:02,254 [Matt] My good friend, Brian and his wife, Jerry, 505 00:23:02,289 --> 00:23:04,423 flew in from Texas a couple of days ago. 506 00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:07,718 We've had a great time hosting them here at the farm. 507 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,202 Hey, Jerry. 508 00:23:09,204 --> 00:23:10,971 -[Jerry] Good to see you. -[Amy] Good to see you, man. 509 00:23:10,973 --> 00:23:12,890 [Amy] It's been a while, hasn't it? 510 00:23:12,892 --> 00:23:14,350 -Brian. -Good to see you. 511 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:16,602 You too. My goodness. 512 00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:19,980 I've known Brian probably since 1985. 513 00:23:19,982 --> 00:23:22,775 And when we do get together 514 00:23:22,852 --> 00:23:26,362 you know, you reconnect, you catch up on life. 515 00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,447 It's like meeting a very good friend. 516 00:23:28,524 --> 00:23:30,783 -[Caryn] Um, let me get you guys some drinks. -Brian Templeton. 517 00:23:30,785 --> 00:23:33,327 -Hi. Nice to meet you. -Brian, that's Chris. 518 00:23:33,329 --> 00:23:35,538 I didn't know any little people at all 519 00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:38,082 before I met Amy and the Roloffs. 520 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:41,585 And Amy had some good stories to tell about Brian. 521 00:23:41,587 --> 00:23:43,212 He sounds like a great guy. 522 00:23:43,247 --> 00:23:44,538 You know, as it is, you know, Matt and Caryn 523 00:23:44,615 --> 00:23:47,174 are the only other mixed couple that I know of. 524 00:23:47,176 --> 00:23:49,718 So looking forward to hanging out with he and his wife. 525 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,762 Are are we doing fist bumps or handshakes? 526 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:53,931 -I don't know. -That's a good one. I like that. 527 00:23:54,008 --> 00:23:56,684 Also, I haven't been to the farm in a while, or talked to Matt. 528 00:23:56,686 --> 00:23:59,103 So I'm always curious about where he's at 529 00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:01,647 with his new house, and the sale of the old one. 530 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,400 I haven't inquired from Matt, how's the listing going. 531 00:24:04,402 --> 00:24:06,259 I'll leave that up to Chris. 532 00:24:06,261 --> 00:24:09,530 It comes better from Chris being a realtor and everything, it's... 533 00:24:09,532 --> 00:24:11,907 "Oh, yeah. That's why Chris is asking me." 534 00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:16,162 We wanna know right off the bat how Alaska was. 535 00:24:16,164 --> 00:24:18,622 It was really good. It really was. 536 00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:20,749 Did you guys get saddle sore? 537 00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:22,793 At the end of everyday you're ready to get off the bike. 538 00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:25,004 You know, for me, a little person, 539 00:24:25,006 --> 00:24:28,883 it's not like my legs gracefully go over the seat. 540 00:24:28,885 --> 00:24:30,283 They're like... [mimics sound effect] 541 00:24:30,361 --> 00:24:32,011 [Matt] First off, I'm sort of, like, "Wow, 542 00:24:32,087 --> 00:24:34,120 that is quite an undertaking." 543 00:24:34,122 --> 00:24:36,974 Um, you know, especially for Amy, with her short legs, siting on the back. 544 00:24:37,051 --> 00:24:39,894 I wouldn't do the back of a bike for 18 days. 545 00:24:39,896 --> 00:24:41,520 You wouldn't do it for 18 minutes. 546 00:24:41,597 --> 00:24:43,939 Maybe 18 minutes. 547 00:24:43,941 --> 00:24:46,650 -Were you ever a motorcycle rider, Brian? -[Brian] Yeah, a little bit. 548 00:24:46,652 --> 00:24:48,652 [Brian] Yeah. I used to go ride with her family 549 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:50,279 -[Brian] when we dated the first time. -[Chris] Oh, okay. 550 00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:51,572 [Brian] We dated as kids. 551 00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,491 [Chris] Oh, really? 552 00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:55,659 Obviously didn't meet either one of you until after you already married. 553 00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:57,161 So, uh... 554 00:24:57,163 --> 00:24:59,145 [Jerry] I mean, we had a great time with you guys. 555 00:24:59,147 --> 00:25:01,957 Y'all were very friendly. One of the first couples that kinda took me in. 556 00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:07,671 It was my first convention with people that knew him pre-me. 557 00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:10,591 You know, a little person dating an average-sized back then, 558 00:25:10,593 --> 00:25:13,719 that was like almost taboo. It's like, "How dare you." 559 00:25:13,721 --> 00:25:15,054 [Brian] Yeah. Jerry's talked about that-- 560 00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:17,097 Jerry caught the brunt of that. 561 00:25:17,174 --> 00:25:21,519 I think, Jerry caught... 'cause she took the most eligible bachelor. 562 00:25:21,521 --> 00:25:23,521 So, Jerry, I'm going to the one, next month. 563 00:25:23,597 --> 00:25:25,523 -Am I gonna be getting those... -No. 564 00:25:25,641 --> 00:25:27,191 -You're already married. -You're already married. 565 00:25:27,268 --> 00:25:28,600 Oh, okay. 566 00:25:28,677 --> 00:25:30,486 -And things are different. -And times are different. 567 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,322 People are much more receptive to anything. 568 00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:35,157 We're all gonna find out. You know, we're gonna be there too. 569 00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:37,034 -You guys aren't going? -[Jerry] No. 570 00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:38,452 -Caryn, have you ever gone to one? -No. 571 00:25:38,454 --> 00:25:39,762 -[Matt] That makes sense. -Oh, so... 572 00:25:39,764 --> 00:25:41,580 I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to it. 573 00:25:41,657 --> 00:25:44,833 It'll be interesting to see if you and I get the daggers. 574 00:25:44,835 --> 00:25:47,294 I'm just gonna be a wallflower. 575 00:25:48,297 --> 00:25:50,381 [Caryn] Matt has always referred to these 576 00:25:50,457 --> 00:25:52,383 LPA conferences over the years. 577 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:54,552 But they haven't had 'em no because of COVID. 578 00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:56,595 So finally I'm getting to go along. 579 00:25:56,597 --> 00:25:58,764 I'm super excited about going. 580 00:25:58,766 --> 00:26:01,934 I know Chris and I are both greenhorns, 581 00:26:01,936 --> 00:26:05,020 like, this is new for us. And, uh, we're just... 582 00:26:05,022 --> 00:26:06,230 He's nervous, I think. 583 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,898 -[Caryn] Is he? -I think so. 584 00:26:07,975 --> 00:26:10,526 I've heard that, uh, Zach and Jackson are definitely going. 585 00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:12,820 I don't know if Tori is going with Lilah and Josiah, 586 00:26:12,822 --> 00:26:15,322 but I'm hoping they're there. I'd love to see them all. 587 00:26:15,324 --> 00:26:17,116 And, you know, we're just... 588 00:26:17,192 --> 00:26:19,201 We're going with a great attitude, 589 00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:21,829 and we're just hoping to have a good time. 590 00:26:21,905 --> 00:26:26,917 Jerry, on behalf of Chris, Caryn, and Tori, 591 00:26:26,994 --> 00:26:29,295 I'd like to congratulate you on paving the way... 592 00:26:29,297 --> 00:26:30,713 [squealing] There you go. 593 00:26:30,715 --> 00:26:32,089 [Matt] for the... What did you call... 594 00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:35,301 There was this period of time in the organization 595 00:26:35,303 --> 00:26:39,972 that few people referred to our relationship as interspatial. 596 00:26:40,049 --> 00:26:41,974 -Really? -I've never heard of that. 597 00:26:41,976 --> 00:26:43,434 [Matt] Mix, mix. 598 00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,269 -Yeah, we called it mixed. -[Matt] Yeah, mixed. 599 00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:48,647 You know, I'm really looking forward to going to the LPA convention. 600 00:26:48,724 --> 00:26:52,818 And it was nice after talking with Brian and Jerry to find out that 601 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:55,321 there's possibly not the same stigma 602 00:26:55,323 --> 00:26:57,364 as there would have been 20 years ago 603 00:26:57,441 --> 00:26:59,283 as far as being a mixed couple, you know. 604 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:00,659 I've learned that we're a mixed couple. 605 00:27:00,736 --> 00:27:03,912 When you come to LPA and you're now accepted, 606 00:27:03,947 --> 00:27:06,665 people give you the fancy handshake... 607 00:27:06,742 --> 00:27:09,460 -You'll know it's thanks to Jerry. -Yeah, there you go. 608 00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:12,129 I think some of the nervousness I may have 609 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:14,965 with bringing Chris to an LPA conference is, 610 00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:18,052 you know, how other little people would perceive him 611 00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:20,679 'cause they've known me being married to Matt for so long. 612 00:27:20,756 --> 00:27:24,391 I just hope he would have a good experience, 613 00:27:24,393 --> 00:27:29,521 and hopefully, he'll want to, you know, go to another LPA conference again. 614 00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:31,982 Did I hear that you introduced these two, or no? 615 00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:33,150 -No. -No? Oh. 616 00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:34,735 [Brian] No. I met Matt in '82. 617 00:27:34,812 --> 00:27:36,195 -'82... -[Matt] Be careful. 618 00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:38,030 Yeah. I think it was after the other Amy. 619 00:27:38,107 --> 00:27:39,323 -[Matt] Right. -[laughs] 620 00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:41,950 Before I met this Amy, there was another Amy. 621 00:27:41,952 --> 00:27:45,663 The reason I met him is because he was after my girlfriend at the time. 622 00:27:57,551 --> 00:27:59,301 Before I met this Amy, there was another Amy. 623 00:27:59,303 --> 00:28:00,511 Oh, yeah. 624 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:02,763 Oh, I remember that. 625 00:28:02,765 --> 00:28:04,473 Me and this other guy were chasing her, 626 00:28:04,475 --> 00:28:06,850 and we found out that this Amy... 627 00:28:06,927 --> 00:28:08,852 she might be thinking about marrying Brian 628 00:28:08,854 --> 00:28:10,187 before Brian asked her to marry her. 629 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:11,580 We needed to go out and see if we can 630 00:28:11,582 --> 00:28:14,066 make one last ditch effort to capture her heart. 631 00:28:14,068 --> 00:28:17,194 About a month later, she calls and says, "Hey, sorry to tell you, 632 00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:20,781 but Brian... proposed to me." 633 00:28:20,783 --> 00:28:23,534 And then so... Anyway. 634 00:28:23,536 --> 00:28:25,077 -That was the end of that. -I don't think I knew that. 635 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,245 [all laughing] 636 00:28:26,247 --> 00:28:28,372 Yeah, I wouldn't have liked that either. 637 00:28:28,449 --> 00:28:32,292 I was single. I was not engaged or anything, at that time. So, uh... 638 00:28:32,294 --> 00:28:33,127 So, it was fair game. 639 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,603 Yeah, fair game, yeah. 640 00:28:34,605 --> 00:28:36,714 And even though I brought her to the convention... 641 00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:37,606 But we're not gonna talk about that. 642 00:28:37,608 --> 00:28:39,608 -He won. He won. -Yeah. 643 00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:42,177 So did you go from that Amy to this Amy, or how many was there in between? 644 00:28:42,221 --> 00:28:44,054 -[Matt] It was a couple of years in between. -Oh, okay. 645 00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:46,640 -I didn't know this Amy at the time. -[Chris] Oh, okay. 646 00:28:46,717 --> 00:28:49,476 Well, what did you guys think of Matt when you first met him? 647 00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:51,729 You were a nice guy, you were nice to me. 648 00:28:51,731 --> 00:28:54,398 I mean, you smiled straight to my face when you stabbed me in the back. 649 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,358 [all laughing] 650 00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:59,194 [Brian] I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. 651 00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,296 I'm just kidding. 652 00:29:01,298 --> 00:29:03,699 [Caryn] You know, having Brian and Jerry visit is so fun because 653 00:29:03,701 --> 00:29:06,201 I wasn't around back in the day, and so... 654 00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:09,288 I've heard all kinds of fun stories about Matt. 655 00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:11,081 He was a little bit of a ladies' man. 656 00:29:11,158 --> 00:29:13,250 I was a gentleman. That's what I like to think. 657 00:29:13,252 --> 00:29:16,420 Well, a gentlemanly ladies' man. 658 00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:18,422 He went after everybody. 659 00:29:18,424 --> 00:29:19,757 -[Chris] Moved a little faster... -No. 660 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:21,175 -[Chris] on the next one, didn't you? -I... 661 00:29:21,251 --> 00:29:22,801 I think it's completely different, 662 00:29:22,878 --> 00:29:26,597 but I remember the intensity of going to a conference. 663 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:31,810 Growing up, I wasn't really involved in the national level of LPA. 664 00:29:31,887 --> 00:29:34,438 It just wasn't part of my family life 665 00:29:34,473 --> 00:29:37,024 or part of my life, really. 666 00:29:37,026 --> 00:29:40,110 And it wasn't until college where, um, 667 00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:43,322 I started going to the district conferences on my own. 668 00:29:43,324 --> 00:29:47,576 So I've only been, as a single woman, 669 00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:50,245 little person woman, to one national. 670 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:53,332 No, I could not handle the competition. 671 00:29:53,408 --> 00:29:54,917 I'm not gonna fight you for some guy, 672 00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:56,919 that's idiotic, man. 673 00:29:56,921 --> 00:29:59,046 There were a lot more girls that were available than there were guys. 674 00:29:59,048 --> 00:30:01,356 It was intense. 675 00:30:01,358 --> 00:30:03,884 -So did you get hit on a lot when you went to the other... -[Amy] No, because, you know, 676 00:30:03,886 --> 00:30:05,928 it literally petrified me. 677 00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:08,680 It was like, there's so many people that... 678 00:30:08,682 --> 00:30:10,516 they've been doing this for years. 679 00:30:10,592 --> 00:30:12,601 And I'm showing up at 23. 680 00:30:12,603 --> 00:30:15,562 [Amy] My first national was very nerve wracking. 681 00:30:15,639 --> 00:30:17,314 I've never seen so many, you know, 682 00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:21,235 different kinds of little people, you know, in my life. 683 00:30:21,311 --> 00:30:25,280 It just made me wish I would've embraced the little people world 684 00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:27,699 at an earlier age. 685 00:30:27,776 --> 00:30:30,244 So it gave me a perspective of myself, 686 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,540 but it also enabled me to be kinda more comfortable, 687 00:30:34,542 --> 00:30:36,917 uh, about myself as well. 688 00:30:36,919 --> 00:30:38,502 You were well known in five... 689 00:30:38,579 --> 00:30:40,379 [Amy] Oh, yeah, very well known. 690 00:30:40,455 --> 00:30:42,214 [Matt] ...but not known in the '86 convention, which we met at. 691 00:30:42,216 --> 00:30:43,507 That was Dearborn. 692 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:46,718 Sometimes when you go to these LPA conferences, 693 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,720 all you're talking about is little people things. 694 00:30:48,722 --> 00:30:53,433 But what made me interested in Matt is he went beyond that. 695 00:30:53,435 --> 00:30:56,478 He didn't really talk about himself being a little person. 696 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,438 And he was more focused abou what he was doing, 697 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,899 and just seeing and meeting other people. 698 00:31:00,901 --> 00:31:04,570 I don't think people really knew what to do with me. 699 00:31:04,605 --> 00:31:07,072 I think you slid in a little faster than you realized. 700 00:31:07,149 --> 00:31:09,658 -[Amy] Really? -I think so. You became popular. 701 00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,201 I said yes to him pretty quick. 702 00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:12,828 -[Brian] You became popular pretty fast. -[Matt] Yep. 703 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:15,247 [Matt] Amy was new in the national scene. 704 00:31:15,249 --> 00:31:16,957 She was shy, and, you know, a little bit sheltered. 705 00:31:17,034 --> 00:31:20,669 But she was a solid person and very dateable. 706 00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:24,590 My first remembrance of her was when she was playing basketball. 707 00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:27,968 And I remember saying, "Who's the girl with the hoops," you know. 708 00:31:28,045 --> 00:31:30,762 And, uh, it kind of went from there. 709 00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:33,348 You guys ready to go get food and eat? 710 00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:35,117 'Cause I think we're to that point. 711 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,102 -Yeah. We'll eat out here, right? -[Matt] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 712 00:31:37,179 --> 00:31:38,937 [Matt] We'll pull up around the table. 713 00:31:39,014 --> 00:31:41,356 Actually, Amy ended up goin 714 00:31:41,442 --> 00:31:43,984 to the... At the end of the week they always have a banquet, 715 00:31:43,986 --> 00:31:45,777 kinda like a prom thing. 716 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:49,823 And Amy went with a different fella. 717 00:31:49,825 --> 00:31:52,826 I do remember Amy and I spent most of that banquet night, 718 00:31:52,903 --> 00:31:54,328 not with our dates. 719 00:31:57,458 --> 00:31:59,041 Maybe a little, kinda sorta. 720 00:31:59,043 --> 00:32:01,001 So you guys have been married for a long time. 721 00:32:01,078 --> 00:32:05,339 What has been the impact of being married to an average-sized woman? 722 00:32:05,415 --> 00:32:08,467 -You didn't encounter, really anything? -[Jerry] No, not really. 723 00:32:08,469 --> 00:32:11,428 Once we got together, everybody that met me accepted me. 724 00:32:11,505 --> 00:32:15,057 Most of the friends that I know, knew Brian when we were kids. 725 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:17,851 They know where my heart's always been. 726 00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:22,481 It's never really occurred to me that our size was a thing. 727 00:32:22,483 --> 00:32:24,483 To me, it's you love who you love, 728 00:32:24,485 --> 00:32:26,652 and it just doesn't matter. 729 00:32:26,728 --> 00:32:27,694 I would agree with that. 730 00:32:27,696 --> 00:32:30,656 When I got to know Matt, 731 00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:34,409 I just saw a man. 732 00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,119 -[Caryn] I didn't see a little person. -[Jerry] Right. 733 00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:39,247 Nobody ever questioned me about me marrying an average-sized. 734 00:32:39,249 --> 00:32:40,916 Nobody questioned me, and I'm sure 735 00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:43,001 maybe some may have questioned her a little bit. 736 00:32:43,003 --> 00:32:47,005 I think people have a little bit of a hard time getting their head around 737 00:32:47,007 --> 00:32:52,219 the idea that a tall woman could be interested or attracted 738 00:32:52,221 --> 00:32:54,221 to a shorter man. 739 00:32:54,223 --> 00:32:56,056 And that's their problem, I think. 740 00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:57,623 Yeah, I agree. 741 00:32:57,625 --> 00:33:00,644 And if the woman is connected, soul, body and mind, 742 00:33:00,721 --> 00:33:03,355 I mean, then the stigma, 743 00:33:03,357 --> 00:33:05,065 so to speak, is everybody else's problem. 744 00:33:05,067 --> 00:33:07,526 You know, how I was raised and grew up with... 745 00:33:07,528 --> 00:33:09,528 it's like it didn't matter whether the person was 746 00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:11,071 a little person or average height. 747 00:33:11,148 --> 00:33:13,573 It's like, who do you meet, who you get along with, 748 00:33:13,575 --> 00:33:15,325 and everything, you know. 749 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,953 You happen to meet an average-sized person. 750 00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:20,706 Long ago, I told myself it would be great, 751 00:33:20,708 --> 00:33:23,166 you know, if I met someone within LPA, 752 00:33:23,168 --> 00:33:25,961 that, you know, we connect. Obviously, I did. I met Matt. 753 00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:32,384 But I wasn't going to just say I need to, you know, date a little person. 754 00:33:32,386 --> 00:33:36,388 It's like, "Hey, if I happen to meet, you know, an average-sized guy, 755 00:33:36,465 --> 00:33:39,349 I mean, you know, he loved me, I loved him, 756 00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:41,059 and we had something in common, 757 00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:43,687 then height shouldn't matter 758 00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:45,605 So, Chris. What's it like for you, you know, 759 00:33:45,682 --> 00:33:48,942 with your big old bike, and your leather chaps, 760 00:33:48,944 --> 00:33:52,320 and you'd get off and say, "I'd like to introduce you to my motorcycle mamma... 761 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:54,573 -[all laughing] -down here. 762 00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:56,608 Yeah. 763 00:33:56,610 --> 00:34:00,078 We... uh, yeah. We definitely get a few looks when Amy hops off the bike. 764 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,164 'Cause sitting on the bike, she looks average sized, 765 00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:04,583 but as soon as she hops off... yeah. 766 00:34:04,585 --> 00:34:06,451 -Do they, like... "What?" -[Chris] If they're... 767 00:34:06,453 --> 00:34:08,128 If they're on the wrong side of the bike, they can't even see her. 768 00:34:08,205 --> 00:34:09,755 [all laughing] 769 00:34:10,257 --> 00:34:11,940 [Matt] The evening's going great. 770 00:34:11,942 --> 00:34:14,718 It's just fun to be able to introduce them to Caryn. 771 00:34:14,795 --> 00:34:17,054 And I'm sure Amy feels the same way about Chris. 772 00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:18,722 It's fun, all get together 773 00:34:18,799 --> 00:34:20,223 and celebrate the good old days. 774 00:34:20,225 --> 00:34:21,600 So it's very comfortable. 775 00:34:21,676 --> 00:34:24,269 So, Matt, I have been dying to find out 776 00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:25,645 what's happening with the farm. 777 00:34:25,647 --> 00:34:27,814 Well, it's slowly moving. 778 00:34:27,891 --> 00:34:31,610 There's one candidate that I really, really like. 779 00:34:31,612 --> 00:34:34,362 -But they haven't made an offer? -[Matt] No. 780 00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:37,616 -It's a slow... you know, the interest rates, and... -[Chris] Oh, yeah. 781 00:34:37,618 --> 00:34:39,785 [Chris] The farm's been on the market now for a few weeks. 782 00:34:39,787 --> 00:34:44,247 And traditionally, if you don't have an offer within 30 days, 783 00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:46,625 you usually start thinking about doing a price reduction. 784 00:34:46,701 --> 00:34:48,919 I thought from the very beginning that, you know, 785 00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:50,921 he was at the very high end, and he did too. 786 00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:55,383 So now it might be time to get a little more realistic. 787 00:34:55,385 --> 00:34:58,887 I mean, we're probably gonna start looking for a place in about three years. 788 00:34:58,889 --> 00:35:01,306 It may take you two to find something. 789 00:35:01,308 --> 00:35:02,849 I know a great place over here. It's in... 790 00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:04,643 [all laughing] 791 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,854 -You know, it does check a lot of the boxes. -[Matt] Yeah. I... 792 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:12,484 For the record, Chris, I would love to have had you as my neighbor. 793 00:35:12,561 --> 00:35:14,402 [Chris] I think we would've had some fun. 794 00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:15,462 -[laughter] -Oh, brother. 795 00:35:15,464 --> 00:35:17,188 [Matt] That's what I'm just afraid of. 796 00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:19,007 [Chris] I mean, putting our heads together and coming up with projects... 797 00:35:19,009 --> 00:35:23,286 I said, at least Chris won't be afraid to do his own damn project. 798 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:25,539 -It'd be fun to swap ideas and... -[Matt] Right. 799 00:35:25,541 --> 00:35:27,791 Yeah. I could just see my phone blowing up. 800 00:35:27,868 --> 00:35:30,627 "It's Amy. Where's Chris?" 801 00:35:30,704 --> 00:35:31,711 [all laughing] 802 00:35:33,507 --> 00:35:34,714 [Amy] Coming up... 803 00:35:34,791 --> 00:35:37,425 -[Zach straining] -Oh, faked out Dad. 804 00:35:38,262 --> 00:35:40,387 -[Zach] Aw. -Yeah, you nutmegged him. 805 00:35:40,389 --> 00:35:42,556 We're getting ready for the LPA convention. 806 00:35:42,632 --> 00:35:44,599 Jackson's gonna play in the soccer tournament. 807 00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:46,726 I think Grandpa's gonna be at your soccer. 808 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,729 [Tori] Caryn tells other people 809 00:35:49,806 --> 00:35:51,940 that she's waiting for our olive branch, 810 00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:54,776 and that olive branch... 811 00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:56,945 the dove took it to another island, I don't know. 812 00:36:12,296 --> 00:36:13,545 Go, J, go. Go. 813 00:36:13,547 --> 00:36:17,215 -[Zach straining] -[Tori] Oh, faked out Dad. 814 00:36:17,292 --> 00:36:19,885 -[Zach] Aw. -[Tori] Yeah, you nutmegged him. 815 00:36:19,887 --> 00:36:21,803 [Zach] What's your favorite sport to play? 816 00:36:24,725 --> 00:36:27,392 You gotta go around, man. Go to goal, go to goal. Go shoot it! 817 00:36:27,686 --> 00:36:29,561 Shoot it! Nice, left foot. 818 00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:33,690 We're getting ready for the LPA convention up in Spokane this year. 819 00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:37,235 Jackson's gonna play in the soccer tournament for DAAA for the first time. 820 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:39,779 Are you gonna play soccer? 821 00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,157 -[Tori] Are you gonna be a soccer guy now? -Yeah. 822 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,242 LPA is an organization, Little People of America, 823 00:36:44,244 --> 00:36:46,870 and they host an annual convention every year. 824 00:36:46,947 --> 00:36:49,789 And the DAAA is the sports organization for Dwarfs. 825 00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:53,084 DAAA stands for Dwarf Athletic Association of America. 826 00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:56,796 I did a lot of DAAA growing up, played every year. 827 00:36:56,798 --> 00:37:00,383 And Jackson, he's gonna be able to participate with other kids with dwarfis 828 00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:03,595 So yeah, I'm excited to show my kids that. 829 00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:07,557 [Zach and Tori laughing] 830 00:37:09,019 --> 00:37:10,936 What's your favorite thing to do in soccer? 831 00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:12,437 [Zach] Shoot it! 832 00:37:13,649 --> 00:37:15,306 [Zach] Yeah. 833 00:37:15,308 --> 00:37:19,027 Um, I'm excited for their first national meeting in LPA. 834 00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:20,779 It's not J's first national. 835 00:37:20,855 --> 00:37:23,198 It's Lilah and Josiah's first national. 836 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,950 It's his first national and he knows what's going on. 837 00:37:25,026 --> 00:37:27,494 Participating and everything, yeah. 838 00:37:27,496 --> 00:37:30,538 [Zach] Jackson went to the Little People Conventio in San Francisco. 839 00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:31,957 He was like, maybe two. 840 00:37:32,033 --> 00:37:34,376 He was too young to know what was going on. 841 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:37,545 I don't know what he's gonna think seeing a bunch of other... 842 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,839 you know, people that look like Dad, walking around. 843 00:37:39,916 --> 00:37:41,216 I hope he loves it. 844 00:37:41,218 --> 00:37:43,001 I think Tori and me are on the same page 845 00:37:43,003 --> 00:37:45,387 when it comes to how much are we gonna get together with other LP's. 846 00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:47,347 I think we're gonna give Jackson a chance. 847 00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:49,557 We're gonna take him to LPA, all these things, 848 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,017 create those relationships. 849 00:37:51,019 --> 00:37:53,603 But we're not gonna, like, force it, or like... 850 00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:55,730 "You have to have an LP friend." 851 00:37:55,732 --> 00:37:57,691 -[Tori] I've been to... -Boston. 852 00:37:57,693 --> 00:37:59,526 and San Francisco. 853 00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:02,112 -Whoo! -Nice, dude. 854 00:38:02,114 --> 00:38:05,573 This will be my third national that I've been to. 855 00:38:05,575 --> 00:38:06,674 I love LPA. 856 00:38:06,676 --> 00:38:08,076 It's a whole week of socializing, 857 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,828 which is like, my favorite thing to do. 858 00:38:10,414 --> 00:38:11,705 Play some soccer. 859 00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:13,999 Are you gonna be good, though, Jackson? 860 00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:15,125 Are you gonna ball out? 861 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:17,335 Okay. Don't embarrass me. 862 00:38:17,337 --> 00:38:19,963 I hope Jackson will enjoy the conference. 863 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,258 I was super shy all the way till I was, like, 20. 864 00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:25,427 I don't think Jackson's like me, though. 865 00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:28,596 He's gonna jump right in, make friends immediately, so... 866 00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:30,390 I took all week to get warmed up, 867 00:38:30,425 --> 00:38:31,891 and then by the sixth day I'm like, 868 00:38:31,968 --> 00:38:33,768 "Do we have to leave?" You know. 869 00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:36,521 So I think Jackson's gonna do a lot better than I did. 870 00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:39,524 -I obsessed over DAAA growing up. -[Jackson] Dad, throw. 871 00:38:39,601 --> 00:38:42,319 It was like, what my whole world revolved around. 872 00:38:42,395 --> 00:38:43,820 Till you met me, right? 873 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:47,115 -Even then, took a couple of years. -[Tori laughs] 874 00:38:47,117 --> 00:38:49,868 I just enjoyed being on the field, being part of a team, 875 00:38:49,944 --> 00:38:51,328 and playing against other dwarfs. 876 00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:53,747 You can potentially be the fastest, 877 00:38:53,823 --> 00:38:55,790 you can potentially be the tallest. 878 00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:57,408 You can potentially be, 879 00:38:57,410 --> 00:39:00,253 you know, other things that maybe you can't be, back home. 880 00:39:03,008 --> 00:39:05,091 Sorry? That was on purpose. 881 00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,348 You're so sweaty. 882 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:14,267 [Zach] LPA is a good resourc for people with dwarfism. 883 00:39:14,269 --> 00:39:17,354 So we definitely wanna introduce LPA to our kids. 884 00:39:17,356 --> 00:39:20,190 I don't think Jackson recognizes that he's different yet, 885 00:39:20,266 --> 00:39:22,275 but eventually you realize, 886 00:39:22,277 --> 00:39:23,818 you know, that you have dwarfism, 887 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:25,362 and you're different than everyone else. 888 00:39:25,364 --> 00:39:28,365 Playing sports was awesome for my confidence, 889 00:39:28,441 --> 00:39:31,117 and I think it'll be the same for Jackso 890 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:32,535 I'm sure that's gonna be helpful. 891 00:39:32,612 --> 00:39:34,429 My mom, Chris, 892 00:39:34,431 --> 00:39:37,415 my dad, and Caryn are all gonna be there for at least a little bit. 893 00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:41,211 But I'm just focused on Jackson and my own responsibilities. 894 00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:44,547 When we see my dad and Caryn, it's not... it's whatever. 895 00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:46,841 We'll be focused on other things. 896 00:39:48,303 --> 00:39:49,844 Yes, there you go. Good cut. 897 00:39:49,846 --> 00:39:52,305 Now turn, go to goal. Big kick! Big kick! 898 00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:55,116 [straining] 899 00:39:55,118 --> 00:39:57,727 I don't know what the status of the farm sale is, it's my dad's issue. 900 00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,480 And, um, I just don't worry about it. 901 00:40:00,515 --> 00:40:02,399 Tori and me are just focused on, you know, the new baby, 902 00:40:02,475 --> 00:40:05,819 raising our kids, and making our best life up here in Washington. 903 00:40:05,821 --> 00:40:09,030 I think Grandpa's gonna be at your soccer, and Mimi. 904 00:40:10,617 --> 00:40:11,574 -Cha Cha and Chris. -[Lilah] Mimi. 905 00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:15,245 -Mimi? -[Lilah] Yeah. 906 00:40:15,321 --> 00:40:18,665 Caryn tells other people that she's waiting for our olive branch, 907 00:40:18,741 --> 00:40:21,376 and that olive branch... 908 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:24,629 ...the dove took it to another island, I don't know. 909 00:40:24,631 --> 00:40:26,923 In the end, I think everything worked out better 910 00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:31,302 I don't know that Matt and Zach would've worked wel on the farm anyway, and... 911 00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,972 I mean, we're happy with where we are now. 912 00:40:33,974 --> 00:40:36,766 And I think like, at what point 913 00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:39,853 am I going to allow some sort of like... 914 00:40:39,855 --> 00:40:42,939 tumultuous relationship like that 915 00:40:43,016 --> 00:40:44,232 to be a part of their lives. 916 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,484 Like, I don't want that. 917 00:40:46,561 --> 00:40:48,445 I don't want that to be... 918 00:40:48,447 --> 00:40:51,030 You know, explaining to Jackson every six months 919 00:40:51,107 --> 00:40:52,824 why we're not going to the farm, 920 00:40:52,826 --> 00:40:54,784 or why, you know, whatever's not happening. 921 00:40:54,786 --> 00:40:56,844 It's just not healthy. 922 00:40:56,846 --> 00:41:01,541 I mean, I'm not going to just drop my children off at their house any more 923 00:41:01,543 --> 00:41:03,543 because we're not good. 924 00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:06,671 And like, I'm a huge believer in, like, reconciliation, 925 00:41:06,673 --> 00:41:10,967 and in the future I hope that we all figure our issues out, and, like, we can move on. 926 00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:14,304 But right now, we're doing our thing in battleground. 927 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:17,765 I'm tired of this. I'm tired of talking about this. 928 00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,143 And I just don't have the energy for it right now. 929 00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:24,439 And so I don't have the energy for this relationship at this time. 930 00:41:26,526 --> 00:41:29,277 [Matt] Next on Little People, Big World... 931 00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:31,738 Have you ever talked to Matt about how you felt 932 00:41:31,814 --> 00:41:33,907 about this whole farm deal? 933 00:41:33,983 --> 00:41:35,533 We got into a little tiff, 934 00:41:35,535 --> 00:41:37,368 and he thinks he's owned up to all his mistakes. 935 00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:39,621 -[Amy] I'm like... -[laughs] 936 00:41:39,623 --> 00:41:42,290 I've noticed a change with Amy speaking up. 937 00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:46,211 Now with the farm sale, I think she just finally said, "Enough. 938 00:41:46,287 --> 00:41:47,912 This is how I feel." 939 00:41:47,914 --> 00:41:51,591 And again with Matt, you need to own up to what you've done. 940 00:41:51,668 --> 00:41:52,900 [Zach] Go, Jackson, go! 941 00:41:52,902 --> 00:41:55,069 [Caryn] Getting to watch Jackson, 942 00:41:55,071 --> 00:41:57,805 you know, in his little soccer tournament with not only his age group 943 00:41:57,807 --> 00:42:00,016 but they're all little like him. 944 00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:01,392 And I don't know that he's ever experienced that. 945 00:42:01,394 --> 00:42:02,685 Go the other way. 946 00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:04,354 When I went up and said hi to Lilah, 947 00:42:04,356 --> 00:42:06,064 and I hadn't seen her in a long time, 948 00:42:06,316 --> 00:42:07,690 my... 949 00:42:07,767 --> 00:42:10,235 She looking at me, and I said, "Can I sit down?" 950 00:42:10,237 --> 00:42:12,612 I didn't know if we would ever get there. 951 00:42:12,689 --> 00:42:16,741 [Zach] I feel like he's getting close to realizing, like, he's different. 952 00:42:16,818 --> 00:42:20,620 Part of the sad thing of the transition of, like, being a dwarf... 953 00:42:20,622 --> 00:42:24,374 That collision of confidence and self-worth, 954 00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:25,833 and then reality. 955 00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:28,086 Eventually it will catch onto him. 956 00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:29,295 Do you think about it?