1 00:00:00,668 --> 00:00:02,059 [Tori] Jackson, good goal! 2 00:00:02,061 --> 00:00:03,002 Previously on Little People, Big World... 3 00:00:03,004 --> 00:00:04,561 Whoo! 4 00:00:04,563 --> 00:00:07,798 It was a fun, like, first DAAA experience for our family. 5 00:00:07,842 --> 00:00:10,342 [Zach] I saw my dad and Cary at Jackson's soccer. 6 00:00:10,344 --> 00:00:12,886 I got to meet Josiah. He's a little button. 7 00:00:12,888 --> 00:00:14,430 [Matt] But Zach and Tori 8 00:00:15,850 --> 00:00:18,684 So we didn't see a lot of them. 9 00:00:18,686 --> 00:00:21,895 They were busy, you know, taking care of the kids. 10 00:00:23,607 --> 00:00:25,232 [Tori] You want a snack? 11 00:00:25,309 --> 00:00:27,443 Lilah has stuff going on with her ears 12 00:00:27,445 --> 00:00:29,111 which is, like, not good. 13 00:00:29,113 --> 00:00:31,655 So we're going to go see a ear, nose, throat doctor 14 00:00:31,657 --> 00:00:33,657 to see if it's affecting her hearing, 15 00:00:33,701 --> 00:00:35,576 delaying her speech. Know what's going on. 16 00:00:35,578 --> 00:00:37,036 [Lilah cries] 17 00:00:37,112 --> 00:00:40,414 Have you talked to Matt about this whole farm deal? 18 00:00:40,416 --> 00:00:42,583 He thinks he's owned up to all his mistakes. 19 00:00:42,659 --> 00:00:44,251 -I'm like... -[laughs] 20 00:00:44,253 --> 00:00:47,129 I think he better ask all four of us. I don't know. 21 00:00:47,131 --> 00:00:49,131 [Lisa] I know the boys are really hurt. 22 00:00:49,133 --> 00:00:51,592 I've actually had some conversations 23 00:00:51,668 --> 00:00:54,553 and their heart was into it. 24 00:00:54,630 --> 00:00:57,264 But this wasn't a "family deal". 25 00:00:57,382 --> 00:00:59,016 It was a business deal. 26 00:00:59,018 --> 00:01:00,851 [Tori] Are you going to be a soccer player now? 27 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:06,857 [Zach] I feel like he's getting close to realizing, 28 00:01:06,859 --> 00:01:08,108 like, he's different. 29 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:09,726 He's so proud of himself. 30 00:01:09,737 --> 00:01:13,155 I hope that that doesn't break him down, you know. 31 00:01:13,232 --> 00:01:17,034 That collision of confidenc and self-worth 32 00:01:17,078 --> 00:01:18,452 and then reality... 33 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,247 It's coming for him. 34 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:23,749 [Zach speaking] 35 00:01:36,847 --> 00:01:38,013 [Tori] I didn't get the memo 36 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:39,348 that we're all wearing blue today. 37 00:01:40,518 --> 00:01:42,059 Look how cute all of you are. 38 00:01:42,394 --> 00:01:43,435 [Tori] Thank you. 39 00:01:43,437 --> 00:01:44,661 -[hostess] You're welcome. -[Tori] Hi. 40 00:01:45,523 --> 00:01:46,730 [Tori] Or do you want to just sit here? 41 00:01:46,732 --> 00:01:48,649 -[Lilah] Yeah. -[Jackson] Yeah, yeah. 42 00:01:48,651 --> 00:01:50,776 -Are you going to have mac and cheese? -[Lilah] Yeah. 43 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:52,277 Do you want mac and cheese? 44 00:01:52,354 --> 00:01:54,071 -[server] How are you guys doing today? -[Lilah] Milk. 45 00:01:54,073 --> 00:01:55,823 -She would like a milk. -[server] A milk? 46 00:01:58,452 --> 00:01:59,843 [server] A strawberry lemonade? Yeah, of course. 47 00:01:59,845 --> 00:02:01,620 [Tori] And I will also do a strawberry lemonade. 48 00:02:01,622 --> 00:02:02,996 [server] Strawberry lemonade. All right, I'll get started on that. 49 00:02:02,998 --> 00:02:04,206 -Thank you. -[server] Of course. 50 00:02:08,045 --> 00:02:09,378 What did they check? 51 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:10,462 [Jackson speaking] 52 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:12,005 They checked your ears? 53 00:02:12,758 --> 00:02:14,716 -Mm-hmm. -[Zach] Yeah and your mouth? 54 00:02:14,718 --> 00:02:16,510 When he checked your mouth, what did you do? 55 00:02:17,596 --> 00:02:18,846 [Tori laughs] 56 00:02:18,848 --> 00:02:19,972 [Tori] A few weeks ago, 57 00:02:20,048 --> 00:02:22,349 got Lilah's annual well-child check. 58 00:02:22,351 --> 00:02:24,643 They do the ear test 59 00:02:24,645 --> 00:02:27,437 for hearing and she failed it. 60 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,566 So they were worried that she has water behind her ears 61 00:02:30,642 --> 00:02:32,985 and that she maybe couldn't hear us all the way, 62 00:02:32,987 --> 00:02:34,403 like it was muffled. 63 00:02:34,405 --> 00:02:36,238 And it's a possibility that it could be 64 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,907 contributing to her delay in speech. 65 00:02:38,984 --> 00:02:42,744 So today I took her to a hearing specialist 66 00:02:42,746 --> 00:02:44,496 to have more tests ran on he 67 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:46,206 to figure out what's happening. 68 00:02:48,335 --> 00:02:49,960 -[Jackson] Hey, Lilah. -Is she deaf? 69 00:02:49,962 --> 00:02:51,336 -[Jackson speaking] -[Lilah] Huh? 70 00:02:53,132 --> 00:02:54,673 -Yeah. -[Tori laughs] 71 00:02:54,675 --> 00:02:56,133 So is she deaf? 72 00:02:56,135 --> 00:02:57,792 She has perfect hearing. 73 00:02:57,794 --> 00:03:00,429 -She has perfect hearing? -[Tori] She has perfect hearing. 74 00:03:00,505 --> 00:03:01,680 So she's just slow in talking. 75 00:03:01,682 --> 00:03:03,056 She's just slow in talking. 76 00:03:03,058 --> 00:03:05,058 The reason why she failed the pressure test 77 00:03:05,135 --> 00:03:07,186 at the pediatrician's office is because she has 78 00:03:07,188 --> 00:03:09,897 just an irregularly shaped eardrum. 79 00:03:09,899 --> 00:03:12,065 But there's no water. There's no water 80 00:03:12,067 --> 00:03:13,609 -behind her ear. -There's nothing behind her eardrums? 81 00:03:13,611 --> 00:03:14,484 No. 82 00:03:14,486 --> 00:03:16,195 She's just behind 83 00:03:16,271 --> 00:03:18,280 because she had two ear infections in a row. 84 00:03:18,357 --> 00:03:21,491 However, currently her ears look clear. 85 00:03:21,535 --> 00:03:23,202 Fascinating. 86 00:03:23,204 --> 00:03:25,287 [Tori] I think he was relive to hear that. 87 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:26,830 Yeah, she doesn't have a hearing issue. 88 00:03:26,874 --> 00:03:28,665 Huge relief. Huge relief. 89 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:30,375 Doesn't need any sort of surgeries or anything. 90 00:03:30,377 --> 00:03:32,377 Yeah. Lilah does not need tubes, 91 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:34,630 that's not, like, even a question anymore... 92 00:03:34,632 --> 00:03:36,131 -Is a relief. -Yes, it's perfect. 93 00:03:37,134 --> 00:03:38,467 She also said, 94 00:03:38,469 --> 00:03:41,220 we can put her in speech therapy. 95 00:03:41,222 --> 00:03:43,138 [Zach] When Jackson starts full day's kindergarten, 96 00:03:43,215 --> 00:03:45,390 I really think you'll have more time 97 00:03:45,467 --> 00:03:48,060 to work with her and do your teaching thing. 98 00:03:48,062 --> 00:03:49,519 -Right. -Not to put it all on you, 99 00:03:49,563 --> 00:03:51,063 -but I think-- -Totally. 100 00:03:51,065 --> 00:03:53,440 [Tori] I have a background in child development. 101 00:03:53,475 --> 00:03:55,359 Not that I consider myself 102 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:57,569 a speech pathologist, by any means. 103 00:03:57,571 --> 00:04:00,614 -However, like I do have a lot of tools in my back pocket. -You have the basics. 104 00:04:00,616 --> 00:04:02,616 And I think that we can help her a lot at home 105 00:04:02,618 --> 00:04:04,534 before we have to, like, step into 106 00:04:04,536 --> 00:04:06,078 -a specialist's office. -Yes. 107 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,039 -[babbles] -[Tori laughing] 108 00:04:09,041 --> 00:04:11,291 [Zach] I think I did speech therapy growing up. 109 00:04:11,368 --> 00:04:13,502 I think my pronunciation was just... 110 00:04:13,504 --> 00:04:15,295 My pronunciation still sucks. 111 00:04:15,297 --> 00:04:17,130 [Tori] Well, it's pruh-nuhn-ciiation, first of all. 112 00:04:18,509 --> 00:04:21,426 -Pro-noun-ciation. -It's pruh-nuhn-ciation. 113 00:04:23,097 --> 00:04:24,579 That's unbelievable. 114 00:04:24,581 --> 00:04:26,348 -[Tori laughs] -I've never heard that word before. 115 00:04:30,145 --> 00:04:32,437 I did have speech therapy. 116 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:34,523 And if you ask Tori, it did not work. 117 00:04:34,525 --> 00:04:37,734 [laugh] 118 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:41,029 -I have pronunciation issues. -"Pro-noun-ciation" issues... 119 00:04:43,701 --> 00:04:44,741 I love you. 120 00:04:44,743 --> 00:04:46,702 But also though, like, 121 00:04:46,737 --> 00:04:50,789 Amy Roloff, I love you but "Or-gone..." 122 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:53,292 -Oregon? -"Or-gone", "per-mia-sion" cheese? 123 00:04:55,838 --> 00:04:57,421 "Amb-lance". 124 00:04:58,507 --> 00:04:59,631 Again, sorry. 125 00:05:02,094 --> 00:05:04,011 [Zach] Um, so... 126 00:05:04,087 --> 00:05:06,221 This week, we have the Witouses... 127 00:05:06,223 --> 00:05:07,622 -Mm-hmm. -...are coming. 128 00:05:07,699 --> 00:05:10,684 Jess and Mikey and they have a boy named Michael. 129 00:05:10,686 --> 00:05:13,729 And Jackson, he's pretty much your same age. 130 00:05:15,566 --> 00:05:18,525 I've known them for years in LPA. 131 00:05:18,527 --> 00:05:21,528 They are from Indiana, South Bend, Indiana. 132 00:05:21,605 --> 00:05:23,363 Their son is the same age as our son. 133 00:05:23,365 --> 00:05:24,898 He is an LP as well. 134 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:27,159 So it will be kind of fun to get Jackson a friend, 135 00:05:27,235 --> 00:05:30,203 you know, that's an LP and see how he interacts. 136 00:05:30,205 --> 00:05:33,248 [Tori] It's been... What? Five years, six years 137 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:35,792 since you've seen them? That will be fun. 138 00:05:35,794 --> 00:05:37,077 Hopefully we'll all get along. 139 00:05:38,547 --> 00:05:39,755 [Tori] Jackson doesn't really have 140 00:05:39,757 --> 00:05:41,506 a lot of friends with achondroplasia. 141 00:05:41,508 --> 00:05:44,634 I don't think he's made that distinction anyway of, like, 142 00:05:44,636 --> 00:05:46,720 this friend doesn't have achondroplasia 143 00:05:46,722 --> 00:05:48,430 and this friend does, you know. 144 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:51,058 [Zach] So when this Michael guy comes, 145 00:05:51,060 --> 00:05:52,667 what do you want to show him first? 146 00:05:55,147 --> 00:05:58,440 Oh, yeah. He wants to figure out if he's faster or not. 147 00:05:58,517 --> 00:06:00,442 This could easily not go well. 148 00:06:00,444 --> 00:06:02,486 Two alpha dudes going at it 149 00:06:02,488 --> 00:06:04,087 and just right off the bat are going to be like, 150 00:06:04,089 --> 00:06:06,531 "I'm not sharing with you." And then that's going to set 151 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:08,158 the tone for the next four days. 152 00:06:08,202 --> 00:06:10,035 There's definitely a little bit like, 153 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:11,495 "Ah! Is this going to work?" 154 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:15,791 Ball. 155 00:06:19,046 --> 00:06:20,379 Josiah. 156 00:06:20,455 --> 00:06:21,630 [Tori] Very good. 157 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:25,199 Look at you. 158 00:06:32,851 --> 00:06:35,018 [Amy] All right. Okay, are we going to be ready for this? 159 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:37,062 I'm ready to go. 160 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:38,397 Yeah, we're going to kick some booty. 161 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:40,357 -Oh, yeah. Right. Good to see you. -[laughs] 162 00:06:40,401 --> 00:06:41,983 -[Amy] Me too. -Hey, good to see you. 163 00:06:42,060 --> 00:06:43,985 [Amy] Well, I don't know. Chris had an energy drink. 164 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:46,571 -[Lisa laughs] Oh, no! -[Art] We're in trouble now. 165 00:06:46,573 --> 00:06:50,492 [Chris] Art and Lisa Fletche are closest long term friend 166 00:06:50,494 --> 00:06:53,662 -[Chris] Rally time. -[Amy] Bring it on! 167 00:06:53,697 --> 00:06:57,040 The funny thing is, I've got two friends 168 00:06:57,084 --> 00:06:59,084 that are Lisa and Art, Lisa and Art. 169 00:06:59,161 --> 00:07:01,878 I mean, what are the odds of that? 170 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,506 So I have Lisa and Art Dixo 171 00:07:04,583 --> 00:07:07,217 and then I have Lisa and Art Fletcher. 172 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,095 -[Chris] Ooh! -[Amy grunts] 173 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:12,222 -[Art] All right. -[Chris] Nice move. 174 00:07:12,224 --> 00:07:14,599 -They are a perfect couple to play with. It's just... -Yeah. 175 00:07:14,601 --> 00:07:16,768 -They are a lot of fun. -It's just really all about 176 00:07:16,845 --> 00:07:19,187 exercising and enjoying the game. 177 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:20,522 [Lisa] 2-4. 178 00:07:23,152 --> 00:07:25,277 [Chris exhales] All right! 179 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:26,862 [Amy] For me, I always thin it's a challenge 180 00:07:26,938 --> 00:07:28,864 playing with people of average height 181 00:07:28,940 --> 00:07:31,366 because they just have a better leverage than I do 182 00:07:31,368 --> 00:07:32,909 I mean, I'm... 183 00:07:32,911 --> 00:07:34,661 Not only a longer reach 184 00:07:34,663 --> 00:07:37,789 but I'm right even with the net. 185 00:07:37,866 --> 00:07:40,250 So even if I have a great back hand, 186 00:07:40,252 --> 00:07:42,085 my back hand is not over the net. 187 00:07:42,087 --> 00:07:43,920 It's going right into the net. 188 00:07:43,964 --> 00:07:45,338 [Amy and Chris groans] 189 00:07:45,415 --> 00:07:48,842 But if I tilt my paddle up to go over the net, 190 00:07:48,844 --> 00:07:51,094 it has a tendency to pop up. 191 00:07:52,097 --> 00:07:53,972 -[Amy] Oh. -[Lisa] Yes! [laughs] 192 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:56,016 Three, four, one. 193 00:07:58,353 --> 00:08:00,979 -[Amy groans] -[Art] Game? Game point? 194 00:08:01,056 --> 00:08:02,063 [Amy] Ooh! 195 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:10,405 [Chris laughs] 196 00:08:16,872 --> 00:08:18,121 No! 197 00:08:19,583 --> 00:08:21,374 -[Chris groans] -Victory! 198 00:08:21,451 --> 00:08:23,126 -All right. -Woop-woop! 199 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:24,794 I don't know. We can't leave it at one 200 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:27,214 -but let's take a break. -[Chris groans] 201 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:29,156 [Amy] You know, Chris and I look at each other, 202 00:08:29,158 --> 00:08:31,968 -"Oh, okay. They won this one. We're gonna get the next one." -Yeah. 203 00:08:32,003 --> 00:08:33,494 [Amy] I went to the farmer's market, 204 00:08:33,496 --> 00:08:35,347 got all those raspberries and I told you I'll bring it, 205 00:08:35,423 --> 00:08:36,906 you know, at our next game. 206 00:08:36,908 --> 00:08:38,808 I wanted to try something that I've never done before. 207 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:41,353 So I made raspberry sorbet 208 00:08:41,355 --> 00:08:43,188 and I made some homemade granola 209 00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:45,732 and I just thought that was a nice treat 210 00:08:45,809 --> 00:08:47,817 after being hot and sweaty and... 211 00:08:48,362 --> 00:08:49,528 Yeah, good thinking. 212 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:50,904 Do you guys want anything more? 213 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:53,281 [Art] No, I'm good. This is great. 214 00:08:53,283 --> 00:08:54,616 That's plenty for me. 215 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:58,245 Well, you know that crazy farm of mine. 216 00:08:58,789 --> 00:09:00,664 Or not mine anymore. 217 00:09:00,699 --> 00:09:02,290 It's still up for sale, right babe? 218 00:09:02,292 --> 00:09:03,491 It's still up for sale? 219 00:09:05,128 --> 00:09:07,420 [Art] No? Any interested buyers at all? 220 00:09:07,422 --> 00:09:09,506 -I don't know. -You're out of it. 221 00:09:09,508 --> 00:09:11,091 Yeah, yeah. 222 00:09:11,426 --> 00:09:13,385 But I'll tell you. 223 00:09:13,461 --> 00:09:16,012 If I would have known now what I did... 224 00:09:16,014 --> 00:09:18,431 I just had an idea, we kind of generally talked about it 225 00:09:18,508 --> 00:09:21,142 and I thought it would go this certain way, and... 226 00:09:21,177 --> 00:09:23,895 I was too afraid to take that financial risk. 227 00:09:23,972 --> 00:09:25,897 -You're conservative. -Yeah. 228 00:09:26,608 --> 00:09:28,400 [Amy] There's parts of me that wished 229 00:09:28,402 --> 00:09:31,111 that I would have just bought Matt out. 230 00:09:31,113 --> 00:09:33,446 And maybe I could have held on to it for a year or two 231 00:09:33,481 --> 00:09:34,614 and I probably would have just sold it 232 00:09:34,691 --> 00:09:36,366 to, you know, one of the boys. 233 00:09:36,368 --> 00:09:40,829 But obviously, with what Matt has it at now, 234 00:09:40,831 --> 00:09:44,499 I mean, none of those boys are able to afford that. 235 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:47,377 I have all these memories 236 00:09:47,379 --> 00:09:48,920 -of, you know, the Western town. -I know. 237 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:50,146 And... What was it? 238 00:09:50,148 --> 00:09:51,881 The progressive dinner through the farm. 239 00:09:51,883 --> 00:09:54,092 -Oh, yeah, wasn't that fun? -Yeah, that was awesome. 240 00:09:54,169 --> 00:09:55,927 -I loved that progressive dinner. -[Lisa] Like, driving mule. 241 00:09:56,555 --> 00:09:58,096 [Chris] When I first met Amy 242 00:09:58,173 --> 00:10:00,473 it was kind of talked about and assumed 243 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:02,100 that the side that Amy lived on, 244 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:04,144 that side would continue on 245 00:10:04,146 --> 00:10:06,521 with one of the twins, the older boys. 246 00:10:06,598 --> 00:10:09,858 So I was disappointed that neither Zach or Jeremy 247 00:10:09,934 --> 00:10:12,944 was able to work that out with their dad, and... 248 00:10:13,021 --> 00:10:15,280 You know, unfortunately, Zach and Tori, 249 00:10:15,282 --> 00:10:17,616 they headed north to Battle Ground, and... 250 00:10:17,692 --> 00:10:19,242 Um, it's a shame that they are farther away. 251 00:10:19,244 --> 00:10:21,161 We don't see them nearly as often. 252 00:10:22,581 --> 00:10:26,333 Yeah, I definitely think both the boys have moved on 253 00:10:26,335 --> 00:10:29,210 but it doesn't mean whatever feelings 254 00:10:29,212 --> 00:10:33,006 and emotions and history suddenly goes away 255 00:10:33,008 --> 00:10:35,592 and everything's back to hunky-dory. 256 00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:37,218 I think it will take time for them. 257 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:40,430 [Amy speaking] 258 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:42,198 [Zach speaking] 259 00:10:43,185 --> 00:10:46,144 [Zach] I hope that Jackson will get along with Michael 260 00:10:46,221 --> 00:10:48,813 If they don't get along, it could be a long weekend. 261 00:10:51,234 --> 00:10:52,233 [Michael screams] Maa! 262 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:53,652 [Amy speaks] 263 00:10:53,728 --> 00:10:56,905 [Caryn] Oh, I'm sorry. I know this is hard for you. 264 00:10:56,907 --> 00:10:59,449 My dad was getting more and more ill and... 265 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:22,180 No, no, no, no, no. 266 00:11:22,182 --> 00:11:23,682 We'll do this later. 267 00:11:23,758 --> 00:11:25,767 This will take forever to wrap back up. 268 00:11:25,769 --> 00:11:28,853 So my dad let us know that papa's in the hospital 269 00:11:28,855 --> 00:11:30,855 with complications from COVID. 270 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:32,732 The whole family got a group text from my dad 271 00:11:32,767 --> 00:11:34,442 that Papa's not doing well. 272 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:36,695 But he's fighting. 273 00:11:36,697 --> 00:11:38,988 You know, so it's not time to come down yet 274 00:11:38,990 --> 00:11:41,574 and so we're going to enjoy our time with the Witouses. 275 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:43,702 Um, but I'm on standby. 276 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:50,417 I honestly think we need about eight stools. 277 00:11:50,419 --> 00:11:52,043 Tori and Josiah went to go pick up 278 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,545 the Witouses from the airpor 279 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:56,297 And Jackson and Lilah and me waited at home. 280 00:11:56,299 --> 00:11:59,175 The Witouses were not at the Spokane convention 281 00:11:59,177 --> 00:12:01,553 and so we are glad that they are able to come out he 282 00:12:01,629 --> 00:12:03,555 and visit us here in Washington. 283 00:12:03,631 --> 00:12:04,797 Go put these in your room. 284 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:06,391 Quick, run fast as you can. Go, go, go. 285 00:12:07,269 --> 00:12:08,643 'Cause they are coming. Quick! 286 00:12:08,645 --> 00:12:10,061 Five, four, three, two... 287 00:12:10,981 --> 00:12:12,731 I think it should be fun for Jackson to play 288 00:12:12,733 --> 00:12:14,733 with someone else that has achondroplasia 289 00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:17,777 and it's kind of nice being able to talk to parents 290 00:12:17,779 --> 00:12:19,237 that just might go through the same thing 291 00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:21,030 or are going through the same thing. 292 00:12:21,324 --> 00:12:22,890 [Zach] Hey. 293 00:12:22,892 --> 00:12:25,869 -[Jess] Hello. -[Tori] Ooh! You're looking fresh, J. 294 00:12:25,871 --> 00:12:27,537 -[Zach] How are we doing? -[Mikey] Good, how are you? 295 00:12:27,539 --> 00:12:29,372 -[Zach] I'm good, how was it? -It was a good flight. 296 00:12:29,374 --> 00:12:30,498 -[Mikey] Not bad. -[Jess] Yeah. 297 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,125 -Early but good. -[Zach] Yeah? 298 00:12:32,127 --> 00:12:33,710 -Good thing you got... -Yeah, you too. 299 00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:35,920 -Thanks for coming out. -Yeah, thanks for having us. 300 00:12:36,465 --> 00:12:38,256 So we are Mike and Jess Witous. 301 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:41,134 The way to remember it is, "Witous or against us." 302 00:12:41,136 --> 00:12:43,303 It's how I have always said it. 303 00:12:43,305 --> 00:12:44,721 People tend to remember it that way. 304 00:12:45,807 --> 00:12:46,931 Hey, Michael. 305 00:12:47,517 --> 00:12:49,476 [Tori] Are you Michael too? 306 00:12:49,478 --> 00:12:51,186 -Technically, yeah. -[Tori] Technically, okay. 307 00:12:51,262 --> 00:12:52,520 Because my dad's Michael, 308 00:12:52,522 --> 00:12:53,730 so he goes by Mike, I go by Mikey. 309 00:12:53,732 --> 00:12:55,331 [Zach] So it's a whole family thing. 310 00:12:55,333 --> 00:12:56,608 -[Tori] This is like a family thing. -[Jess] Yeah. 311 00:12:56,610 --> 00:12:57,942 -[Tori] I love that. -It's not confusing at all. 312 00:12:57,944 --> 00:12:59,611 -[Mikey] Yeah, yeah. -[Jess] By any means. 313 00:12:59,613 --> 00:13:02,113 [Mikey] I'm one of four kids in my family. 314 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:04,157 Everyone's average height in my family. 315 00:13:05,035 --> 00:13:06,993 I was born into an average height family 316 00:13:07,070 --> 00:13:09,746 and then at three months I was adopted 317 00:13:09,748 --> 00:13:11,331 into another average height... 318 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:13,082 a family of average height parents 319 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:16,836 but they had already adopted two girls, in different times, 320 00:13:16,913 --> 00:13:19,130 but two girls with dwarfism already. 321 00:13:19,249 --> 00:13:22,801 So I have two sisters that are both dwarfs. 322 00:13:22,803 --> 00:13:24,385 [Zach] Oh hey, Lilah, are you part of this too? 323 00:13:24,387 --> 00:13:25,470 Here, we can jump inside. 324 00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:27,305 [Zach] Let's get out of the heat here. 325 00:13:27,307 --> 00:13:28,640 [Zach] Go on, Jackson. 326 00:13:28,716 --> 00:13:29,849 Can you say hi? 327 00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:32,811 This guy is Michael. 328 00:13:32,813 --> 00:13:35,438 Yeah, Mikey and me go back a couple of years. 329 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:37,899 We've played on a couple of dwarf athletic teams together. 330 00:13:37,901 --> 00:13:40,610 Her first convention, we hung out with them 331 00:13:40,612 --> 00:13:42,195 but that was before any of us had kids. 332 00:13:42,197 --> 00:13:43,780 -We got along really well. -Yeah. 333 00:13:43,782 --> 00:13:44,897 [Zach] I think Jackson just knows 334 00:13:44,974 --> 00:13:47,050 that someone's coming to visit. 335 00:13:47,052 --> 00:13:48,326 -So all of the next four days-- - [Tori] He's stoked, yea 336 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:49,719 [Zach] ... is going to be, like, different. 337 00:13:49,721 --> 00:13:51,996 So there's gonna always be someone to play with. 338 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:54,582 I hope that Jackson will get along with Michael 339 00:13:54,584 --> 00:13:58,294 If they don't get along, it could be a long weekend. 340 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:00,171 [Jess] You want to show me your Batman? 341 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:02,215 -I bet Jackson likes Batman. -Is that your Batman? 342 00:14:02,968 --> 00:14:04,634 -Jackson's a Spiderman guy. -[Jess] Yeah. 343 00:14:07,472 --> 00:14:09,597 -[Zach] Yeah. -[Jess] He's the same, right? 344 00:14:09,674 --> 00:14:14,310 And you kind of like the bad guys too, don't you? 345 00:14:15,522 --> 00:14:16,762 [Jess] No? 346 00:14:19,276 --> 00:14:20,900 You like superheroes. That's a good thing. 347 00:14:20,902 --> 00:14:23,903 [Zach] You guys ever been to the Northwest? 348 00:14:23,905 --> 00:14:25,989 -[Jess and Mikey] No. -Were you at the Seattle conference a few years ago? 349 00:14:25,991 --> 00:14:27,866 [Mikey and Jess] No. 350 00:14:27,868 --> 00:14:29,350 And obviously the Spokane Convention, no. 351 00:14:29,427 --> 00:14:31,202 -Yeah, we didn't go to Spokane. -[Zach] Okay. 352 00:14:31,204 --> 00:14:33,830 -[Zach] All of you, come on. We can sit down. -[Tori] Come on in. 353 00:14:33,874 --> 00:14:35,832 -[Zach] See the place. -[Mikey] You want to see his room? 354 00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:38,585 [Tori] Oh, you want wa-wa? 355 00:14:38,587 --> 00:14:41,129 [Zach] We recently took him to Spokane. 356 00:14:41,164 --> 00:14:42,605 -[Mikey] Yeah. -[Zach] And he's like... 357 00:14:42,607 --> 00:14:44,382 He's, like, starting to figure it out a little bit. 358 00:14:44,459 --> 00:14:45,967 -You know, like? -[Mikey] Yeah. 359 00:14:45,969 --> 00:14:48,094 We keep trying to tell him that... 360 00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:49,596 Like, you're not going to be like grandpa, 361 00:14:49,598 --> 00:14:51,114 -or... -Yes. 362 00:14:51,116 --> 00:14:52,515 He's like, "Oh, I'm going to be tall, like..." 363 00:14:52,517 --> 00:14:54,058 -I'm like, "No." -[Zach] Yeah. 364 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:56,811 [Jess] I feel like I grew up and I didn't even know... 365 00:14:56,888 --> 00:14:58,730 I don't remember being told. 366 00:14:58,806 --> 00:15:00,481 -[Zach] Yeah. -You just do it. 367 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:02,150 Yeah or it's like a gradual... 368 00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:04,110 I don't remember having like a doorbell, 369 00:15:04,187 --> 00:15:05,069 -you know. -[Jess] Yeah. 370 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:06,237 It just became what it was. 371 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:07,780 -[Tori] For what? -Like recognizing 372 00:15:07,782 --> 00:15:09,532 -that you're different, you're a dwarf. -Oh, yes. 373 00:15:20,754 --> 00:15:22,503 [Tori] Lilah loved Michael. 374 00:15:23,506 --> 00:15:25,673 Lilah wants to be a part of the boys 375 00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:27,800 -and, like, wants to do what they are doing. -Yes. 376 00:15:30,347 --> 00:15:32,680 -And she got excited about it. -And she was with Jackson all the time 377 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:34,933 -and she's like, "I want to do that." -Yeah. 378 00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:38,394 [Michael screams] Maa! 379 00:15:42,025 --> 00:15:43,316 Can you go to Michael's birthday party? 380 00:15:43,318 --> 00:15:44,500 You want to go to Michael's birthday? 381 00:15:44,502 --> 00:15:45,735 Michael invited you to his birthday? 382 00:15:45,737 --> 00:15:47,403 -Absolutely. -It's a Batman party. 383 00:15:47,405 --> 00:15:49,530 -[Zach laughing] -I didn't even know he's having one. 384 00:15:49,532 --> 00:15:51,199 -...out. -Yeah. 385 00:15:51,275 --> 00:15:52,408 Yeah, absolutely. 386 00:15:53,161 --> 00:15:55,370 [Mikey] You are invited 100%. 387 00:15:55,372 --> 00:15:57,956 [Zach] I was worried but onc they got together 388 00:15:58,032 --> 00:16:00,625 and got along so quickly, I was relieved. 389 00:16:00,702 --> 00:16:02,251 So you want to have a Batman party? 390 00:16:02,253 --> 00:16:04,170 And you invited Jackson? 391 00:16:04,247 --> 00:16:05,755 Okay. 392 00:16:05,757 --> 00:16:07,382 [Zach] They just gel very well. 393 00:16:07,384 --> 00:16:08,508 [screams] 394 00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:11,260 [Jess] Look at them. 395 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:19,018 [Chris speaking] 396 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,355 [Amy] Does it not say in her 397 00:16:22,899 --> 00:16:24,148 Like how big it is? 398 00:16:24,818 --> 00:16:26,693 222 acres. 399 00:16:26,695 --> 00:16:28,194 -That's big. -Yeah, that is kind of big. 400 00:16:28,196 --> 00:16:29,570 -Isn't it? -It is. 401 00:16:29,572 --> 00:16:31,197 Because when you think of the farm, 402 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:34,659 where I lived and the 75 acres where Matt lived, 403 00:16:34,736 --> 00:16:36,202 or he has it all now. 404 00:16:36,663 --> 00:16:38,496 Um, that's a 100. 405 00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:41,708 Well, we kind of need to talk to him about pumpkin season. 406 00:16:41,784 --> 00:16:43,501 Whether you were gonna be a part of it. 407 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:46,921 Yeah. Before I commit to that or figure that out... 408 00:16:48,133 --> 00:16:50,425 Um, I got to get my head around it. 409 00:16:50,501 --> 00:16:52,468 Well, I have been thinking about pumpkin season 410 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:56,014 'cause I know it's coming up here sooner than later 411 00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:59,642 and obviously, the north side part of it is up for sale. 412 00:16:59,644 --> 00:17:01,853 So I don't know, I just have to have 413 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:05,106 a little bit more info as to what does this year look like? 414 00:17:05,108 --> 00:17:06,524 What's changing? 415 00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:09,819 You know, what are the tour... What is his gameplan? 416 00:17:09,821 --> 00:17:12,071 You know, he asked me to do a tour 417 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:13,781 that he had forgotten about and stuff 418 00:17:13,783 --> 00:17:15,658 and I said, "Sure." You know, "I'll go and do it." 419 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:17,368 [Amy] We also heard from Mat 420 00:17:17,445 --> 00:17:19,746 that his dad had to go in the hospital 421 00:17:19,822 --> 00:17:22,290 and he had a tour, a private tour 422 00:17:22,292 --> 00:17:23,666 scheduled on the farm. 423 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,461 So, you know, I definitely said yes right away 424 00:17:26,463 --> 00:17:28,504 because, you know, he's in Arizona 425 00:17:28,506 --> 00:17:30,131 attending a family matter. 426 00:17:30,208 --> 00:17:32,175 And, you know, you just help out, 427 00:17:32,177 --> 00:17:34,343 regardless of what's going on. 428 00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:35,928 It's just what you do. 429 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:38,473 But I tell you, I said "yes" way too quick. 430 00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:40,933 -Hmm. -Because I was like... 431 00:17:40,935 --> 00:17:42,852 -"Okay, what do I talk about now?" -Hmm. 432 00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:46,981 It's been quite some time since I've done a tour. 433 00:17:47,058 --> 00:17:48,983 Ever since I've moved off the farm, 434 00:17:48,985 --> 00:17:51,235 I kind of feel, like, disconnected. 435 00:17:51,237 --> 00:17:53,905 Last year was my first time doing the wagon tour, 436 00:17:53,907 --> 00:17:56,074 -first time I've volunteered. -Ever participated. 437 00:17:56,076 --> 00:17:58,242 Yeah, participated in any part of that. 438 00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:01,037 And definitely be open to doing it again. 439 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,063 Obviously this is our big pumpkin area. 440 00:18:03,065 --> 00:18:06,000 -We've got several varieties of pumpkins to choose from. -[woman] Oh, oh! 441 00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:08,294 Is a pumpkin a fruit or a vegetable? 442 00:18:09,547 --> 00:18:10,671 [woman laughs] 443 00:18:10,673 --> 00:18:12,298 Have you read the script? 444 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:18,387 We just tweaked and critiqued him a little bit but... 445 00:18:18,389 --> 00:18:20,598 -So harsh. -I was not. 446 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,642 He might have had a little rough start 447 00:18:22,644 --> 00:18:25,603 but he did fantastic the rest of the time. 448 00:18:27,107 --> 00:18:30,108 Yeah, if Matt needs help with tours, you know, 449 00:18:30,184 --> 00:18:31,484 depending on what the tourists look like, 450 00:18:31,486 --> 00:18:34,153 I'd be happy to help out but, um... 451 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:36,781 Yeah, I'm not sure... 452 00:18:36,858 --> 00:18:40,493 Pumpkin season's lost it's lure for me now. 453 00:18:40,495 --> 00:18:43,121 Half of it up for sale, it's like... 454 00:18:43,123 --> 00:18:45,748 I... I guess I'm afraid of being asked 455 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:47,125 so many questions. "What do you think?" 456 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:49,836 "Oh, it's so sad that that part of the farm..." 457 00:18:49,912 --> 00:18:51,671 "It's not pumpkin season anymore" 458 00:18:51,747 --> 00:18:53,172 -You know, whatever people... -Mm-hmm. 459 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:55,550 ...may think. 460 00:18:55,626 --> 00:18:57,135 [Amy] I think what makes pumpkin season 461 00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:58,619 a little more unique 462 00:18:58,696 --> 00:19:02,140 is when there's some of the family members involved 463 00:19:02,216 --> 00:19:05,268 but when you have a rift in family, 464 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:07,645 that doesn't always go away right away. 465 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:11,482 And so, when it's just another pumpkin place, 466 00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:14,902 I just wonder how I could fit in in the future. 467 00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:18,531 Regardless, I think you should go and do your costume thing. 468 00:19:18,992 --> 00:19:20,575 Oh dear, oh dear. 469 00:19:20,577 --> 00:19:22,034 I think you're a big part of it. 470 00:19:22,036 --> 00:19:24,453 -Oh dear, oh dear. -I think you should be there. 471 00:19:24,455 --> 00:19:26,747 -I don't know. -You know... 472 00:19:26,824 --> 00:19:29,792 [Chris] Well, if Amy is not for working at pumpkin seaso 473 00:19:29,794 --> 00:19:31,961 I'd feel funny going there without her. 474 00:19:31,963 --> 00:19:34,255 Um, I'm just doing it, one, for the fun of it 475 00:19:34,257 --> 00:19:37,466 and two, something that her and I can do together. 476 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:40,803 But wouldn't be near as much fun if Amy wasn't there. 477 00:19:41,431 --> 00:19:42,889 You being there is a bigger part 478 00:19:42,965 --> 00:19:45,057 of it then me doing tours. 479 00:19:48,897 --> 00:19:50,429 [Amy speaking] 480 00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:53,941 [Zach] Yeah, the Witouses are really positive people 481 00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:55,735 but they also have been through a lot. 482 00:19:55,737 --> 00:19:58,404 Moments that are hard, anniversaries, of course. 483 00:19:58,406 --> 00:20:01,657 -Like birthdays and stuff. -The things you don't think of before it happens. 484 00:20:16,216 --> 00:20:18,424 [Zach] Michael and Jackson are playing great together. 485 00:20:18,501 --> 00:20:21,052 Yeah, I don't know. They just read each other so well. 486 00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:22,845 It's nice when kids... Forget the dwarfism. 487 00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:23,763 It's nice when kids are on the same page. 488 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:25,389 -[Jess] Yeah. -Yeah. 489 00:20:25,391 --> 00:20:27,642 [Zach] Jackson is really hitting it off with Michael 490 00:20:27,644 --> 00:20:30,561 who is Mikey and Jess' only son. 491 00:20:30,638 --> 00:20:34,440 Um, it is awesome when you have two, you know, five, four-year-olds 492 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:36,692 that get together, that get along so well 493 00:20:36,694 --> 00:20:37,693 right off the bat. 494 00:20:41,115 --> 00:20:42,406 How are you guys doing? 495 00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:45,451 Uh, we're good, like... 496 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,455 You know, it's like good for the most part. 497 00:20:49,532 --> 00:20:52,792 We have our resources, our support that have really helped us. 498 00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:55,711 -[Mikey] Losing [stutters] a child, like it's... -[Jessica] Losing ch-- yeah. 499 00:20:55,713 --> 00:21:00,341 There's mental, uh, grief that everyone has to go through. 500 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:04,303 [Zach] Yeah, the Witous' are really positive people. 501 00:21:04,305 --> 00:21:06,764 But they also have been through a lot. 502 00:21:06,841 --> 00:21:10,518 Mikey and Jess had two, um, daughters 503 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,020 that died very, very early. 504 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:16,816 [Jessica] Two years ago, we found out we were pregnant again. 505 00:21:16,818 --> 00:21:19,610 And then, at 18 weeks, we learned that 506 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:23,614 there was a possibility that the baby would have double dominant dwarfism. 507 00:21:24,534 --> 00:21:26,158 We both have achondroplasia 508 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,995 So because we have the same type of dwarfism, 509 00:21:28,997 --> 00:21:32,790 basically, it's kinda like two dominant genes fighting that, 510 00:21:32,867 --> 00:21:36,669 you know, one doesn't win. And so their lungs are under-developed, 511 00:21:36,671 --> 00:21:39,964 and there's some narrowing of the, um, foramen magnum. 512 00:21:40,041 --> 00:21:41,190 Yeah, even more narrowing 513 00:21:41,192 --> 00:21:43,025 -of the spinal columns, like. -Yeah. 514 00:21:43,027 --> 00:21:46,137 Basically, every complication that could happen with achondroplasia 515 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:48,764 -is made... made... -Like magnified, yeah. 516 00:21:48,766 --> 00:21:51,517 [Mikey] Typically, with like, achondroplasia and double dominancy, 517 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:55,521 the children only last, like, seconds to minutes, maybe even hours. 518 00:21:58,109 --> 00:22:00,026 [Zach] I didn't realize, like, 519 00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:07,867 like, the stories are starting to come out. 520 00:22:07,943 --> 00:22:11,454 It is. It's 25% chance that it can happen. 521 00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:14,081 Every time. It's not like, oh, you had it once, 522 00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:16,417 -so you're not gonna have it again. -[Tori] Right. 523 00:22:16,419 --> 00:22:19,086 -It's 25% every time. -[Zach] With any... any couple that's, 524 00:22:19,088 --> 00:22:22,089 -has the same type of dwarfism. -Same type, yeah. 525 00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:25,134 If there's two parents with achondroplasia, 526 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:28,888 there's a 50% chance that your child will have achondroplasia, 527 00:22:28,964 --> 00:22:32,266 there's a 25% chance that your child will be average height, 528 00:22:32,343 --> 00:22:35,603 and there's a 25% chance that your child will be born with double dominance. 529 00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:38,414 [Zach] Can't imagine what they're going through, like 530 00:22:38,416 --> 00:22:41,525 going through the pregnancy, going through all that and then 531 00:22:41,527 --> 00:22:46,405 watching your baby, you know, pass away. Um, can't imagine. 532 00:22:48,576 --> 00:22:51,994 It's more like moments that are hard. Anniversaries, of course, 533 00:22:51,996 --> 00:22:54,789 like birth dates and stuff and um... 534 00:22:54,865 --> 00:22:57,124 -But... Yeah. -Some things you don't think of, like, 535 00:22:57,201 --> 00:22:58,292 before it happens. 536 00:22:59,128 --> 00:23:00,294 [Jessica] This is Margot Ann 537 00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:02,797 and this is Bernadette Suzanne. 538 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,341 Margot was with us for two and a half months. 539 00:23:05,343 --> 00:23:07,443 -Which is very-- -She even came home with us. 540 00:23:07,445 --> 00:23:11,305 She came home with us, so her last three weeks, she was home with us, um... 541 00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:15,810 Bernadette Suzanne is our third and she, um, 542 00:23:16,062 --> 00:23:18,312 she lived four days. 543 00:23:18,314 --> 00:23:20,481 So, but we were able to take her home again. 544 00:23:20,558 --> 00:23:22,817 Everyone thinks of the big moments, but it's like... 545 00:23:22,819 --> 00:23:25,152 -[Jessica] It's a little... -It's the little things. Like, 546 00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:27,738 oh, what would we be doing 547 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,156 -if both girls-- -[Jessica] They were here. 548 00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:31,075 Or one of the girls was here with us. 549 00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:33,202 And, like, I'm sure you guys do the same thing. 550 00:23:33,204 --> 00:23:34,970 -Wh... Where would you be? -[Jessica] Yeah. 551 00:23:34,972 --> 00:23:36,330 -[Mikey] Like, or what would you be doing? -[Jessica] Yeah. 552 00:23:37,166 --> 00:23:38,791 I mean, I don't know. [sighs] 553 00:23:38,793 --> 00:23:42,002 Credit God and the hospital staff for working with us 554 00:23:42,004 --> 00:23:44,588 and getting our girls to come home. 555 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:47,258 That's a miracle in itself, you know. 556 00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,677 [Mikey] It was great to have that moment. 557 00:23:49,753 --> 00:23:53,722 Um, and happy that Michael got to meet his sisters. 558 00:23:53,724 --> 00:23:56,851 Nothing gives a reason or makes it better but, um, 559 00:23:57,687 --> 00:23:59,937 we like to think we have two saints in heaven 560 00:24:00,014 --> 00:24:01,730 that are watching out for us. 561 00:24:06,487 --> 00:24:09,280 [Tori] How's he been with everything? 562 00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:10,865 -[Jessica] Pretty good, and-- -[Mikey] Yeah, he's... 563 00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:12,950 he's been good, he has... he has his days where, 564 00:24:13,027 --> 00:24:15,911 like, he'll... he'll say something that just, like, 565 00:24:15,913 --> 00:24:19,081 tugs at our heart strings, like, "Oh, I wish Bernie was here" 566 00:24:19,125 --> 00:24:20,541 or "I wish Margo was here", but like, 567 00:24:20,618 --> 00:24:22,034 then like... 568 00:24:22,110 --> 00:24:23,919 -the next subject is like... -He changes the subject. 569 00:24:23,954 --> 00:24:26,881 "Can we watch, like, uh, TV? Can we turn on the TV?" 570 00:24:26,883 --> 00:24:31,010 -Are you guys... You'll... You'll try again? -[baby crying] 571 00:24:31,012 --> 00:24:33,345 -[Mikey] Yeah, we're-- -[Jessica] I mean, that's the plan. I gotta... 572 00:24:33,347 --> 00:24:35,473 I still need to do some healing, some recovery. 573 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:36,865 Yeah. 574 00:24:36,867 --> 00:24:39,977 Physically and emotionally and mentally. But um, 575 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:41,461 yeah, I mean, that's our plan 576 00:24:41,539 --> 00:24:45,399 is to grow our family. So... we'll figure out a way. 577 00:24:45,476 --> 00:24:47,568 -[Zach] I think it's super brave of them to... -[Tori] Yeah. 578 00:24:47,645 --> 00:24:52,448 [Zach] ...even try to have kids after maybe at the first loss. 579 00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:56,619 People say, like [exhales] you know, "Why do you bring people into the world?" 580 00:24:56,704 --> 00:25:00,331 Like, they think it's not good that we procreated 581 00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:05,211 and brought more dwarfs into the world to suffer, you know. 582 00:25:05,213 --> 00:25:07,296 But I totally disagree with that. 583 00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:10,299 I think people with disabilities 584 00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:13,427 have a right to procreate and have family. 585 00:25:13,429 --> 00:25:15,513 You know, so. 586 00:25:15,589 --> 00:25:17,473 -[Jessica] How about you guys, I mean? -[Mikey] Yeah. 587 00:25:17,475 --> 00:25:20,518 -[baby crying] -You know. 588 00:25:20,594 --> 00:25:22,394 -[Tori] Just as what happened with us last year? -[Jessica] Yeah. 589 00:25:22,396 --> 00:25:24,063 -[Mikey] Yeah. -I mean, like, 590 00:25:24,139 --> 00:25:25,356 it's hard to, like, sit and, like, 591 00:25:25,391 --> 00:25:26,506 talk to someone, like, you know, 592 00:25:26,584 --> 00:25:28,359 you guys have been through so much. 593 00:25:28,361 --> 00:25:31,111 -And it was like... It was like a traumatic experience... -[Jessica] Yeah. 594 00:25:31,113 --> 00:25:32,821 ...for sure, but I think that, like, 595 00:25:34,242 --> 00:25:36,425 I don't know. 596 00:25:36,427 --> 00:25:38,118 -[Jessica] Well, that's the thing. Like, don't ever... -[Mikey] We won't downplay 597 00:25:38,195 --> 00:25:39,261 -your feelings. -[Tori] Right. 598 00:25:39,263 --> 00:25:41,038 -Compare because-- -A loss is a loss. 599 00:25:41,115 --> 00:25:43,023 -[Tori] Totally. -[Jessica] Yeah, your loss is your loss. 600 00:25:43,025 --> 00:25:45,834 -And it's big and it's major. -[Tori] I think that like, for... for me, 601 00:25:45,836 --> 00:25:47,920 what I think about everything that happened was just 602 00:25:47,997 --> 00:25:49,380 -the way that it happened. -[baby cooing] 603 00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:51,006 -[Jessica] Hmm. -And like, 604 00:25:52,093 --> 00:25:55,719 you know, like, it was just-- it was really hard. 605 00:25:55,721 --> 00:26:00,724 But I mean, we were so blessed to get Josiah. 606 00:26:00,726 --> 00:26:03,686 -I mean, like, pretty quickly after. -[Jessica] Yeah. 607 00:26:03,729 --> 00:26:05,980 Like it didn't take very long for him to come along 608 00:26:06,056 --> 00:26:09,733 and so, I think that that helped our healing a lot. 609 00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:14,113 It was hard for me to compare 610 00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:17,032 -with Jess, like, 'cause I... this... -Yeah... 611 00:26:17,034 --> 00:26:20,035 What they went through was so significant 612 00:26:20,037 --> 00:26:22,705 and like, it doesn't discount what we went through. 613 00:26:22,707 --> 00:26:26,166 However, it was hard for me to connect on that level. 614 00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:28,544 Because it was like, what do I have to complain about 615 00:26:28,546 --> 00:26:31,880 when we're sitting there with three healthy babies that... 616 00:26:31,882 --> 00:26:35,009 they should be sitting there with three healthy babies. 617 00:26:35,085 --> 00:26:37,845 The fact that you guys have been so strong in your faith 618 00:26:37,921 --> 00:26:41,223 and the fact that you've been able to, like, go through this twice, 619 00:26:41,225 --> 00:26:43,100 -like, not just once. -[Jessica] Yeah. 620 00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:47,313 But twice. The courage that you guys have is unbelievable. 621 00:26:48,232 --> 00:26:50,107 You... You become grateful for the things you do have 622 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,151 rather than focusing on the things you don't have. 623 00:26:52,153 --> 00:26:54,528 Makes you be that much more appreciative 624 00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:59,658 of the fact that we have Michael and that he's, uh, fully healthy. 625 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:01,827 -It's not an easy subject to talk, like, you go over it. -[Tori] It's not. 626 00:27:01,904 --> 00:27:03,329 But it happens to so many. 627 00:27:03,331 --> 00:27:04,830 [Tori] So many, yeah. 628 00:27:04,832 --> 00:27:07,291 And like, people who haven't gone through it 629 00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:10,419 are afraid to talk to people who have, like, about it. 630 00:27:10,421 --> 00:27:12,630 'Cause like, they think that they're gonna make people sad, but it's like, 631 00:27:12,632 --> 00:27:16,842 no, like, it's... it's a form of therapy for parents when they talk about it. 632 00:27:16,844 --> 00:27:20,054 It's been taboo for so long to not talk about miscarriage 633 00:27:20,056 --> 00:27:22,431 and to not talk about losing children. 634 00:27:22,433 --> 00:27:24,391 So I think that when Mikey and Jess 635 00:27:24,393 --> 00:27:29,980 talk about losses, it makes other people feel less alone. 636 00:27:29,982 --> 00:27:36,070 It could be a healing and an encouraging thing fo 637 00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:38,405 them to see other couples talking about it. 638 00:27:40,534 --> 00:27:41,825 Papa! 639 00:27:47,041 --> 00:27:48,123 [Tori] Coming up... 640 00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:48,874 [Zach] Are you ready? 641 00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:51,085 Set. Go. 642 00:27:51,161 --> 00:27:54,129 -[Mikey] Come on, bud, run. -[all cheering] 643 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:02,304 -[Tori] Okay. -[Zach] All right, let's go check it out. 644 00:28:02,306 --> 00:28:03,639 [baby cooing] 645 00:28:03,683 --> 00:28:05,099 [woman cheers] 646 00:28:05,101 --> 00:28:06,767 [Zach] Come on, onward. 647 00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:09,812 [kid talking] 648 00:28:09,814 --> 00:28:13,899 The Witous' have never been to Oregon or the Northwest, really. 649 00:28:13,901 --> 00:28:17,486 Um, so it's exciting to bring them to, you know, the Oregon beach. 650 00:28:17,488 --> 00:28:19,238 And yeah, show them a little bit 651 00:28:19,314 --> 00:28:21,031 of our neck of the woods. 652 00:28:21,951 --> 00:28:23,200 Look what Jackson's doing. 653 00:28:25,371 --> 00:28:27,121 -[Mikey laughs] -Oh, my God. 654 00:28:30,793 --> 00:28:32,626 -Yay! -[Tori exclaiming] 655 00:28:34,088 --> 00:28:35,629 [Zach] Whoa, good job, bud. 656 00:28:35,706 --> 00:28:37,881 -Wa-wa. -[gasps] 657 00:28:37,916 --> 00:28:39,967 Was that your favorite thing at the beach? 658 00:28:39,969 --> 00:28:42,344 -Wa-wa. -It was the wa-wa? 659 00:28:42,346 --> 00:28:43,554 What is your favorite? 660 00:28:46,767 --> 00:28:48,225 [cheering] 661 00:28:49,979 --> 00:28:52,855 [Zach] This age, this is like the last years our kids 662 00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:54,898 before they become aware of who they are. 663 00:28:55,526 --> 00:28:57,109 There's like an ignorance. 664 00:28:57,186 --> 00:29:00,571 -Not an ignorance, there's a child-- -[both] Innocence. 665 00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:04,199 It is just a thought I had when I watched them playing, and like, 666 00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:06,076 the older they get, they're gonna start 667 00:29:06,153 --> 00:29:08,203 realizing that the world maybe looks at them differently 668 00:29:08,247 --> 00:29:09,496 or that they are different. 669 00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:11,790 He's unaware of who he is. 670 00:29:11,792 --> 00:29:14,626 And next summer could be different. 671 00:29:14,754 --> 00:29:17,254 And I think it's our job to protect their innocence 672 00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:19,840 -as long as we possibly can. -Yeah. 673 00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:24,011 I was telling Mikey how it's their last years, like, 674 00:29:24,013 --> 00:29:26,889 they can run down the beach and not think about, like, 675 00:29:26,891 --> 00:29:28,807 -who's looking at me, who's staring, who's... -Yeah. 676 00:29:28,884 --> 00:29:31,059 ...making fun of my waddle feet, you know. 677 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,995 I know. 678 00:29:33,939 --> 00:29:36,565 And you want to, like... You want them to, like, keep that forever. 679 00:29:36,901 --> 00:29:39,735 Yeah, okay. 680 00:29:39,737 --> 00:29:41,987 The confidence to just, like, do whatever... 681 00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:43,405 -[Zach] Yes. -Again, like, you know, 682 00:29:43,407 --> 00:29:44,740 "I can do this too." 683 00:29:44,742 --> 00:29:47,367 There's "What do you mean I can't do this?" 684 00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:48,994 [Zach] They're both the tallest, the fastest, the smartest, 685 00:29:48,996 --> 00:29:50,621 the coolest kids in the room. 686 00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:52,347 -And they know it, you know what I'm saying? -[Jessica] Yeah. 687 00:29:52,349 --> 00:29:55,417 But then it's gonna like, that, like, when that hits them... 688 00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:57,536 Yeah, you go from the fastest to the slowest. 689 00:29:57,538 --> 00:30:01,048 [Zach] Well, and there's another additional challenge that they're gonna face. 690 00:30:01,592 --> 00:30:03,258 I think it hit me earlier. 691 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:04,876 I don't think I had the confidence. 692 00:30:04,878 --> 00:30:07,971 I think already had, like, a depreciatingness about myself. 693 00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:11,600 Jackson, I just think he has stronger confidence in himself 694 00:30:11,644 --> 00:30:14,853 that, uh, might just burst his bubble even more. Or... 695 00:30:14,855 --> 00:30:17,064 I've also seen dwarves that never lose it. 696 00:30:17,066 --> 00:30:19,691 Like, they're still, "I'm the fastest one in the room." 697 00:30:19,693 --> 00:30:21,735 I hope he doesn't lose it. 698 00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:24,029 But yeah, like, do you remember 699 00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:25,805 -noticing the difference? -[Zach] Oh, yeah. 700 00:30:25,807 --> 00:30:28,116 -It's during the PE classes-- -It was... I was just gonna say 701 00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:30,202 I noticed it when I was playing soccer 702 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,163 that the kids were bigger. And I was like, like I knew I was a little person 703 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:34,647 but like... 704 00:30:34,649 --> 00:30:36,667 I liked playing goalie, and then, like, eventually, 705 00:30:36,669 --> 00:30:38,252 the goals were just the cones 706 00:30:38,254 --> 00:30:40,170 -and then once we went to, like, goals... -Yeah. 707 00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:42,798 -[Zach] Like, I was just ushered out, you know. -[Jessica] Yeah. 708 00:30:42,842 --> 00:30:45,008 -If we were, like, winning... -Yeah. 709 00:30:45,085 --> 00:30:47,636 ...they'd, like, let me score the goal and I was like, "Thanks for the--" 710 00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:49,513 -Oh, I hated that. I hated that. -Thank you. 711 00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:50,681 -[Mikey] Thanks for the handout. -Whatever... 712 00:30:50,683 --> 00:30:53,225 Yeah, like, thanks for the handout, but... 713 00:30:53,686 --> 00:30:55,577 That's what I always try to, like, push, like, 714 00:30:55,579 --> 00:30:58,146 I've tried parents who're, like, asking, "Oh, what... what can they do?" 715 00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,065 -Anything. Just let them do anything. -[Zach] Yeah. 716 00:31:01,235 --> 00:31:03,443 So the base thing I always, like, try to 717 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,655 tell every child parents that have a child with dwarfism is, like, 718 00:31:06,657 --> 00:31:09,491 find a way to give them the experience of doing the things 719 00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:11,785 that they want and that they seek enjoyment in. 720 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:14,413 Uh, don't shelter them from society. 721 00:31:14,489 --> 00:31:17,332 Let them be in society, let them know what society is like 722 00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:19,209 and how it will treat them, 723 00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:21,962 so that they're ready for it when they become an adult on their own. 724 00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:25,299 But until then, 725 00:31:25,301 --> 00:31:27,342 let's give them a good life and... 726 00:31:27,344 --> 00:31:29,428 we don't want them to grow up too fast. 727 00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:35,517 I don't think there's one way to prepare your kids to, 728 00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:39,313 you know, take on the world that thinks they're different. 729 00:31:39,315 --> 00:31:42,733 Just instilling confidence and resilience in them, 730 00:31:42,735 --> 00:31:46,612 when challenges come up, will definitely address them you know. 731 00:31:49,199 --> 00:31:51,742 -[Tori] Who's more fast? -[boy] Me. 732 00:31:51,818 --> 00:31:53,243 Do you guys wanna race? 733 00:31:53,245 --> 00:31:54,494 -[Zach] Jackson, Michael. -[boy] Yeah. 734 00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:55,537 Let's do it. 735 00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:57,497 [boys exclaiming] 736 00:31:57,499 --> 00:31:59,750 -Here, grab like the other... -I'm gonna grab the hoe. 737 00:31:59,752 --> 00:32:01,585 -[Zach] Jackson wants to rac -[Tori] He's like, I wanna race! 738 00:32:01,587 --> 00:32:03,069 -[Zach] Jackson-- -[Tori] He has testosterone 739 00:32:03,071 --> 00:32:04,671 -just raging through his bod -[Zach] Yeah. 740 00:32:04,673 --> 00:32:06,498 But that's not just with Michael. 741 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:08,091 -That's with anyone who comes in. -No, that's with all the boys. 742 00:32:08,093 --> 00:32:10,928 That's like, any boy who comes in, he thinks he's faster. 743 00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:13,805 Jackson, Michael, come here. 744 00:32:15,768 --> 00:32:17,659 [woman giggles softly] 745 00:32:17,661 --> 00:32:19,227 -[Mikey] You guys-- You guys are gonna have fun. -[Zach] Okay... 746 00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:20,228 Michael, you ready? 747 00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:21,813 Set! 748 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:23,815 Hey... Ready? 749 00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:25,317 Set! Go! 750 00:32:25,394 --> 00:32:26,443 -Go! -Go! 751 00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:28,654 [dramatic music playing] 752 00:32:38,999 --> 00:32:40,999 [music intensifies and stops] 753 00:32:44,505 --> 00:32:45,837 [Zach chuckling] That was pretty even. 754 00:32:45,914 --> 00:32:46,797 [Mikey] Yeah. 755 00:32:47,549 --> 00:32:48,715 [Zach] Who was faster? 756 00:32:50,928 --> 00:32:52,511 Are you sure you were faster? 757 00:32:55,015 --> 00:32:56,056 Give him high-five. 758 00:32:56,558 --> 00:32:58,684 Now Zach and Mikey! 759 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,268 [Zach] When Tori said, Mikey and Zach race, 760 00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:01,627 I was like, "Oh, heck yeah. 761 00:33:01,629 --> 00:33:03,730 No, I was totally into it. I'm super competitive. 762 00:33:04,108 --> 00:33:04,982 Let's go. 763 00:33:05,058 --> 00:33:07,025 [upbeat music playing] 764 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:14,574 -[women cheering] -[men chuckling] 765 00:33:14,576 --> 00:33:16,618 [Mikey] I could've knocked you down. 766 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:17,911 Did you pull anything? 767 00:33:17,988 --> 00:33:19,705 Yeah, but what was that? Who won? 768 00:33:19,707 --> 00:33:21,707 -I don't know. -[all chuckle] 769 00:33:23,085 --> 00:33:24,126 Who do you think won? 770 00:33:25,838 --> 00:33:27,004 Argh! 771 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,380 -Probably was. -That's a good answer. 772 00:33:28,457 --> 00:33:29,381 I'll take a tie! [chuckles] 773 00:33:29,383 --> 00:33:30,882 You're both winners. 774 00:33:30,959 --> 00:33:32,718 [Tori] You're both winners in our hearts. 775 00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:35,929 [Zach] Best part about the Witous' visit was 776 00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:37,764 -the beach day was a lot of fun. -Mm-hmm. 777 00:33:37,766 --> 00:33:40,517 Catchin' up with Mikey and Jess was a lot of fun too. 778 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:43,228 -[Tori] The kids rallying. -[Zach] The most was just watching Michael and Jackso 779 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:45,480 -rally and... -And he did an awesome job. 780 00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:47,774 -I think that he was a great friend to Michael. -Yeah. 781 00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:50,318 Lilah, smile! Say cheese! 782 00:33:53,741 --> 00:33:54,740 [narrator] Coming up... 783 00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:57,159 [whistles] 784 00:33:57,161 --> 00:33:59,077 Well, you know, one of the things my dad said was, 785 00:33:59,154 --> 00:34:01,872 "I just want everybody in the family to get along." 786 00:34:01,874 --> 00:34:06,001 Those were powerful words, so I got a lot of work to do. 787 00:34:06,003 --> 00:34:07,753 Zach and Tori said they needed space, 788 00:34:07,829 --> 00:34:10,297 but I'm gonna try to work constantly on 789 00:34:10,299 --> 00:34:12,424 making sure that the family gets along. 790 00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:17,445 [serene instrumental music playing] 791 00:34:40,162 --> 00:34:41,561 [whistles] 792 00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:47,793 [Matt] Caryn and I were down in Arizona, 793 00:34:47,795 --> 00:34:50,253 um, 'cause my dad was getting more and more ill. 794 00:34:50,255 --> 00:34:56,218 And, um, after puttin' up a very big fight, for several weeks, 795 00:34:56,220 --> 00:35:00,305 uh, he finally succumbed to his lung issues. 796 00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:04,559 Um... And he passed away peacefully. 797 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:06,103 [sniffles] 798 00:35:10,317 --> 00:35:12,692 I'm just glad we got down there when we did. 799 00:35:12,694 --> 00:35:14,820 I thought he was gonna [chuckles] walk out of it. 800 00:35:15,739 --> 00:35:18,698 And then there was a point, when, like, "Uh-oh!" 801 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:21,785 Yeah, it's... a chance he might not. 802 00:35:21,862 --> 00:35:25,163 And then... And then the next day it would be like... 803 00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:28,458 [stutters] You know, going good. 804 00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:30,794 Yeah, the roller-coaster of it. 805 00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:33,004 [sighs softly] 806 00:35:35,551 --> 00:35:37,509 Very nice, that all of you were... 807 00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:41,972 Kids... flew there to say their goodbyes. 808 00:35:42,048 --> 00:35:43,473 That meant a lot to me, 809 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:45,142 and I'm sure it meant a lot to him. 810 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:52,232 Towards the end when we kne things looked more dire. I.. 811 00:35:52,309 --> 00:35:55,193 uh... notified everybody. All the kids. 812 00:35:56,488 --> 00:36:00,532 And, um... they... um... 813 00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:04,828 Yeah, they all came in. 814 00:36:06,165 --> 00:36:07,330 They... 815 00:36:08,417 --> 00:36:10,792 simply all dropped everything. 816 00:36:11,503 --> 00:36:13,920 When it mattered most, we can all 817 00:36:13,922 --> 00:36:16,089 not get along for this, that, or the other thing, 818 00:36:16,091 --> 00:36:17,299 But when the... when the 819 00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:19,926 crap hit the fan, 820 00:36:19,928 --> 00:36:24,306 within hours, they were... in my dad's... by my dad's side. 821 00:36:25,642 --> 00:36:27,559 A... And all of them were able to be there. 822 00:36:27,636 --> 00:36:29,352 [gulping] 823 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:33,064 And then, you know, Jeremy, Zachary, Molly, Jacob, and then... 824 00:36:33,141 --> 00:36:36,735 You know, 'course my mom-- mother was there and um... 825 00:36:36,737 --> 00:36:39,446 So, um, it was... 826 00:36:39,448 --> 00:36:41,865 You know, we were there by his side. 827 00:36:44,203 --> 00:36:46,411 [choking up] 828 00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:51,917 [sniffles softly] 829 00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:58,298 Oh, I'm sorry. I know this is hard for you. 830 00:37:01,303 --> 00:37:03,470 I just figured that they were gonna... 831 00:37:03,472 --> 00:37:05,847 You know, we were gonna get more time with them down there... I mean, 832 00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:09,851 they just barely got settled in Arizona. 833 00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:13,605 My parents decided to seek warmer ground 834 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,139 so they moved down to Arizona, 835 00:37:15,216 --> 00:37:18,526 and they happened to land about a mile and a half-- 836 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,321 two miles maybe, from Caryn's parents. 837 00:37:21,323 --> 00:37:23,823 Caryn's parents helped them acclimate to the-- to the ar 838 00:37:23,825 --> 00:37:25,992 and get to know people. 839 00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:29,204 I was lookin' forward to, you know, all the time we were gonna be able 840 00:37:29,248 --> 00:37:30,538 to spend with them down there. 841 00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:33,208 And, um... it just kind of... 842 00:37:34,086 --> 00:37:35,585 You know, you feel a little bit, 843 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,046 you feel a little bit robbed. 844 00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:39,831 Yeah, we took 'em to the movies, remember? 845 00:37:39,833 --> 00:37:42,467 -[Matt] Yeah, we took 'em to the movies. Yeah. -[Caryn chuckles] 846 00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:45,637 -[Matt] That was good. Yeah. -That was adorable, watchin' them holdin' hands. 847 00:37:46,473 --> 00:37:49,057 [melancholy music playing] 848 00:37:49,101 --> 00:37:50,684 Boy, he sure loved my mother. 849 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,560 [Caryn] Mm-hmm. 850 00:37:52,562 --> 00:37:56,064 You know that... She's strong, but you know, she's... 851 00:37:56,066 --> 00:37:58,942 Definitely havin' to re-figure out what she can do 852 00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:00,694 and what she can't do and... 853 00:38:01,697 --> 00:38:03,113 -[sighing] Yeah. -Um... 854 00:38:03,865 --> 00:38:05,824 My mother is doing good, 855 00:38:05,826 --> 00:38:07,784 but she also doesn't have him there 856 00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:09,119 as a safety net. 857 00:38:09,913 --> 00:38:11,830 He doted on my mom, and one of his... 858 00:38:11,906 --> 00:38:15,667 one of his last words to me was, 859 00:38:15,669 --> 00:38:18,295 "You know, I really spoiled your mom. 860 00:38:18,297 --> 00:38:20,672 And so, now, I really need to look... 861 00:38:20,674 --> 00:38:21,873 look to you to... 862 00:38:21,875 --> 00:38:24,634 look to me to help take care of her 863 00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:28,722 and make sure she, you know, lives a comfortable, happy life." So um... 864 00:38:28,798 --> 00:38:31,308 And I told him I had... would have that under control. 865 00:38:32,477 --> 00:38:34,227 [Caryn] I loved your dad. He was a great guy. 866 00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:38,273 He was very... positive and... 867 00:38:38,317 --> 00:38:39,899 [Matt] Mm-hmm. 868 00:38:39,976 --> 00:38:42,944 Um... He's gonna be missed, for sure. 869 00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:44,321 -[sniffles] -[Matt] Mm-hmm. 870 00:38:44,397 --> 00:38:47,991 He lived life large, you know, no doubt about that. 871 00:38:47,993 --> 00:38:51,494 My dad was sort of a... larger than life character, 872 00:38:51,496 --> 00:38:55,040 and, um, my dad had a pretty good sense of humor, 873 00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,417 and, you know, he gave me a hard time sometimes. 874 00:38:57,419 --> 00:39:00,295 My dad had no fear to say what was on his mind, 875 00:39:00,297 --> 00:39:01,796 and... he'd tell it like it is. 876 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,925 You're... You're buildin' a house for whom? 877 00:39:05,927 --> 00:39:07,969 -For these grandbabies that we're talkin' about. -You guys gonna get married? 878 00:39:07,971 --> 00:39:09,596 -What's the deal here? -[chuckling] 879 00:39:09,598 --> 00:39:13,141 -How can you have a home without a wife? -[chuckles] 880 00:39:13,143 --> 00:39:16,269 He had a big person... "I love people." 881 00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:18,980 He never met a person that he didn't, you know, 882 00:39:18,982 --> 00:39:21,775 wanna visit with and learn about. 883 00:39:21,777 --> 00:39:24,819 -Great to see you, Papa. Thanks for drivin' up. -[laughing with joy] 884 00:39:24,821 --> 00:39:26,696 -Wanna say, "Hi!"? -Lilah, good to see... 885 00:39:26,698 --> 00:39:27,864 -[softly] Hey! Hey! -[Tori] Is he... 886 00:39:27,941 --> 00:39:28,940 [woman] Lilah Ray! 887 00:39:28,942 --> 00:39:31,159 Hey! Not too many guys to say I... 888 00:39:31,161 --> 00:39:33,912 I've snuggled with my great grandpa. 889 00:39:33,914 --> 00:39:35,997 Okay! Here we come! Oh! 890 00:39:36,958 --> 00:39:39,542 [all laughing] 891 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:42,170 He led a really good life. 892 00:39:42,214 --> 00:39:44,381 And... Uh, he made a big impact 893 00:39:44,383 --> 00:39:46,591 on a lot of people, so it was um... 894 00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:48,676 But it's never easy. 895 00:39:48,678 --> 00:39:51,346 It's always kinda hard to say goodbye to somebody, 896 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:54,224 here on Earth, but, um, I think, 897 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,685 you know, we can... rest assured that he's 898 00:39:57,687 --> 00:39:59,521 um... in a better place. 899 00:39:59,523 --> 00:40:01,648 So I'm comforted by that. 900 00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:05,235 I don't know if I told you this, but... 901 00:40:05,237 --> 00:40:07,695 couple of days before he passed, he made some 902 00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:10,798 private comments to me. 903 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,619 He wanted everybody to... everybody to love each other. 904 00:40:15,831 --> 00:40:19,666 One of the things my dad said in his final hours or days, 905 00:40:19,742 --> 00:40:22,168 was, "I just want everybody in the family to get along." 906 00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:24,462 You know, and I want the same thing. 907 00:40:24,464 --> 00:40:27,215 And it's not just me and them. It's everybody. 908 00:40:27,259 --> 00:40:29,926 So, all you can do is make sure that 909 00:40:29,928 --> 00:40:33,721 you don't bring any additional negativity to the table. 910 00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,809 Sometimes things just take time, you know, and... 911 00:40:37,811 --> 00:40:39,519 I'm being respectful of the fact that 912 00:40:39,521 --> 00:40:41,521 Zach and Tori said they needed space, 913 00:40:41,523 --> 00:40:43,690 but I'm gonna try to work constantly 914 00:40:43,692 --> 00:40:46,025 on making sure that the family gets along. 915 00:40:48,321 --> 00:40:50,321 He always wanted everybody to get along. 916 00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:54,701 Those were powerful words that I have embedded in my head. 917 00:40:54,703 --> 00:40:57,036 So, I got a lot of work to do. 918 00:40:57,706 --> 00:41:01,291 [somber instrumental music playing] 919 00:41:08,008 --> 00:41:10,008 -[upbeat music playing] -[narrator] Next on Little People, Big World... 920 00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:11,676 [Chris] We are turning the big six-o. 921 00:41:11,753 --> 00:41:13,252 I know, the big 6-0. 922 00:41:13,329 --> 00:41:16,473 So, are we on agreement of doing a... little celebration. 923 00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:18,433 Yeah, I think we said we were gonna do that. 924 00:41:18,435 --> 00:41:20,384 -Yeah. -Oh, okay. 925 00:41:20,386 --> 00:41:23,021 I've told Chris that, "Yeah, sure. We can have a joint birthday party." 926 00:41:23,023 --> 00:41:25,273 What Chris doesn't know is that I'm working on 927 00:41:25,275 --> 00:41:28,485 a surprise birthday party that's just for him. 928 00:41:28,487 --> 00:41:29,652 It's nerve-wracking, 929 00:41:29,729 --> 00:41:31,821 I find anxiety and just... 930 00:41:31,823 --> 00:41:32,864 casually find out... 931 00:41:32,866 --> 00:41:34,215 Does have a clue? 932 00:41:34,217 --> 00:41:36,075 So, I' really gonna have to work hard 933 00:41:36,077 --> 00:41:37,911 to be able to pull this off. 934 00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:42,832 Jackson! You got your very own bridge? 935 00:41:42,909 --> 00:41:46,628 Feeling reflective on my dad passing away. 936 00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:48,129 And with all the kids, 937 00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:49,964 I'm re-doubling my efforts 938 00:41:49,966 --> 00:41:52,842 to check in on 'em all as often as possible. 939 00:41:52,919 --> 00:41:55,178 Look at that little Josiah. 940 00:41:55,255 --> 00:41:57,805 We want him to be... Have a relationship with his grandkids and all that, 941 00:41:57,807 --> 00:42:00,433 but we wish things didn't go the way they did. 942 00:42:00,510 --> 00:42:03,645 I'm so glad I got to come up and see your farm. 943 00:42:03,647 --> 00:42:04,979 [Zach] Sometimes, things can be awkward 944 00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:06,439 but that's what's to be expected 945 00:42:06,516 --> 00:42:07,899 with where our relationship's at. 946 00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:16,032 -[indistinct chatter] -Hey, guys! They're here! 947 00:42:16,109 --> 00:42:17,825 -[woman] They're pulling in... -They're here, you guys! 948 00:42:17,827 --> 00:42:19,661 -Quiet! [shushes] -[indistinct chatter] 949 00:42:19,704 --> 00:42:21,246 Walkin' up to the venue, 950 00:42:21,322 --> 00:42:23,665 I... I mean, I really got, like, nervous. 951 00:42:23,708 --> 00:42:26,167 [chuckling] I have not pulled this off yet, 952 00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:28,086 until I see the look on his face 953 00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:30,296 and is he actually surprised?