[narrator] Previously on Little People, Big World:
I, like, literally can't remember a time in my life
I've been that emotionally, physically drained.
Josiah doesn't sleep at night. Which is like, it's killing everyone.
Okay, so, yeah, you're upstairs, Lilah's with me,
Jackson's in his room, and Josiah's in Lilah's room.
Musical beds.
[Caryn Chandler] It makes a big difference.
[Matt Roloff] The North side of the farm's been on the market
for just a little over three months.
Before we put the house on the market, we had it staged.
-[Caryn] It definitely helps. -[Matt] Yeah.
But I don't know if having it staged is like, the selling factor.
Yeah.
Well, the year drags on, and it, um, hasn't sold yet, you know,
I'm probably gonna have to get creative about how to move forward.
Are you, uh, doing anything with pumpkin season this year?
No.
I will not regret if this is the last year of pumpkin season,
and we did not, like, participate.
The farm is not a place of joy for me anymore.
[Tori Roloff] Hey, Zach.
Murphy left you a little surprise over here.
Uh-oh.
[Tori] Remember you had that steak that was in there last night? It is gone now.
Okay, any guesses on how this goes?
[sighs in frustration]
[Zach Roloff] Last night was rough.
Last night was R,U,F,F, rough.
It's not a fun time. Like I'm literally dying on the inside.
[Josiah whining]
[Zach] Josiah is four and a half months,
and we've been trying to sleep train him for a while.
-For a while. -And it's, uh, it's been tough.
[Tori] The last, like, three nights, it's been, like, every hour, he's crying.
Like, he doesn't sleep.
-We never have really had to deal with any sleep issues. -Yeah.
Because our previous two kids were like, oh, I can sleep 11 hours? I'm gonna do that.
But it's not even like at night, though, too. It's during the day.
He naps for 20 to 30 minutes, and that's not normal.
I think there's a bit of a challenge having three kids to have such a set schedule.
'Cause life just flows differently.
-[baby exclaiming] -This house.
We did not think about the three bedroom situation.
Sucks.
[Zach] Currently, Josiah and Lilah are sharing a room,
because Jackson's at school, and just,
we wanna make sure that he's not interrupted.
But also, Lilah's tough.
If she gets woken up in the middle of the night,
she can be tough to get back down to sleep.
So that's causing the issue, because then we have to go in...
That's part of it, too. Tori can't go in.
Once he sees Tori, he's like, oh, feeding time.
Okay, let's hope I did this right.
[Tori] Because of this, we've been having to have Zach
sleep upstairs with Lilah, and have Josiah be alone in Lilah's room.
It's a whole cluster.
It's hard, like, right now, 'cause there's days that, like, I love where we're at.
[baby toys blipping, chirping]
-And I'm trying really hard to enjoy this stage. -Yeah.
But then there's other days where I'm like, I straight up am miserable.
I'm very sleep deprived.
And then I have days like today where it just all, like, boils,
and I just can't even, like, do anything.
Like, it's just frustrating.
Babe, do you realize how easy you have it, though?
What do you mean?
"What do you mean?"
You have it so easy. You literally, you can leave whenever you want.
You could just leave the house.
You know I don't like that comparison, though.
Oh, because it's true? And it's...
No. You're, you're a mom. You have a special gift.
-Oh. -Yeah.
-Is that what it is? Okay. -So, like, enjoy that. Appreciate that.
[Tori] Zach does not understand.
I'm constantly, like, needed.
By someone in the family.
Not that he is not, but he is needed in a different way.
Like, I have, like, a role that I cannot escape from.
Like, I literally physically cannot escape from my role as mom,
like, with breastfeeding, and I am a stay at home mom. That's my job.
And so, I understand my role.
It just would be nice to be appreciated for that role.
A little bit more often.
I just, I haven't slept since I gave birth to him.
[Josiah exclaiming]
Still chaotic at the moment. It's just a little...
It's a season of life. That's what I keep telling myself.
-Yeah. -One day, I'm going to miss this.
[Josiah exclaiming]
I'm gonna miss this. I know I am.
[Tori] Anyway. Date night?
-I could use one. -Yeah.
-[laughing] -Is it a date night,
or is it a time to get closer to one another
-as a married couple... -Oh.
...or is it a time to get away from the kids?
-It's a time to get away from the kids at this point. -Yeah.
[Zach] I appreciate Tori and everything she does for the family.
This moment in time is harder for her.
She takes a lot more on emotionally.
So I, I wanna get her out of the house. We need to go on a date.
She just needs to know that the whole family loves her,
and yeah, she's doing a good job.
[Tori] Lilah.
Lilah, what are you making?
[Tori] What are you making us?
-Mine. -How about, can I have, uh, a milkshake too with it?
I still say that Lilah's one of the funniest kids I've ever met.
Like, I love her personality. You know?
She's got the right dosage of clueless, spunky and funny.
[laughing] The right dosage of clueless.
-[both] Lilah. -[Tori] Lilah.
[both laughing]
[Zach] Lilah's definitely a daddy's girl.
And she won't let Tori and me
show any form of affection in the house [laughing] whatsoever.
Lilah. [laughing]
[Lilah crying]
[both laughing]
Okay, Tori. You're upsetting her.
I don't know if it's a jealousy thing with Lilah, or is it like a...
She doesn't like when Jackson and me wrestle.
-Yeah. -For example.
I think she just wants things just to be calm.
Oh, is that your man?
Lilah, that's my man.
-No. -My man.
-Yeah! -No.
Daddy's mine. Not your...
-She's like, you get Josiah. -[both laughing]
This is why we need a date night. I need to be alone with my man.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
[Matt] Lemme show you what we're doing, here.
I don't know if you remember, Caryn, years ago,
when we were getting ready for a Thanksgiving dinner
and I tore the floor up in the house.
This reminds me of that.
That pipe there, that's the main line to our new house.
Today, I have the place, you know, so tore up,
because I'm doing a big infrastructure project that goes to my new house
that we don't know when it's gonna be built.
That's gonna go East.
The permits for my new house are tied up in a sort of a logjam of bureaucracy,
so the house project is sort of on hold for the moment.
So, you gotta get this covered up before it gets
-all rainy and muddy and... -Yeah, this is like...
-This is Grand Central Station. -Oh, my...
With the pumpkin patch.
[Caryn] Pumpkin season opens in 21 days.
[Matt] There's only a small window in Oregon when it's not rainy and muddy.
Well, with my dad passing away in July,
that kinda took August out of the picture.
So now, here we are at the beginning of September,
having to dig up a bunch of trenches.
Well, September isn't the time to be digging up things. [laughing]
Man, September's the time to be making everything pretty and nice.
[Caryn] All of this construction right in the middle of pumpkin season,
that's a problem in itself. So we gotta get this cleaned up.
You know, it's funny how like, all this was super important to me,
and then when my dad passed, and now taking care of my mother,
it's funny how priorities change in life, you know?
-[laughing] Yes, it does. -Right?
There's not a day that doesn't go by where I don't think about something
that makes me happy about my father.
And I'm doing okay. I think just staying busy and pro-- productive
is my go-to place.
Um, I'm very self-contained in that way.
I never got a chance to really appreciate
everything you did for my mom during those final weeks,
-and the week after my dad passed. -[whispering] Yeah.
The final days of my dad's life,
you know, I spent a lot of time at the hospital with him,
and Caryn was really back home
helping my mother get established without Ron.
Then, after my dad passed,
Caryn jumped right in and started helping with the meds and the laundry
and figuring out what her needs were.
And so, I mean, she was indispensable.
A lot of that early stuff you did, Caryn,
has led to her independence today.
-Aww. Thanks. -You know?
-Because she... -She had the will to do it, though.
She, you know, she wanted to do it.
Yeah.
And now that your dad is gone,
we are reinvesting our energy in getting to know Honey in this new space.
I promised my dad I'd go take care of Mom,
and do what I could, and, uh, you know, that's what I'm doing.
And, um...
Probably spent more time with your mom in the last few months
-than you had in the last few years. -Yeah.
And so I've seen your relationship blossom. It's been really pretty.
Yeah.
Did I mention that I stopped in on, um, Zach and Tori on the way to Arizona?
-Oh, no. -I got to hold little Josiah. Yeah, very cute.
Very good. Very good. I'm, I'm glad about that.
Yeah.
[Matt] I know we still got issues.
Zach and Tori I think have really sort of isolated themselves,
you know, from me and Cha-Cha and the farm.
Um, and that's been disappointing.
I've been able to see them, and been to the birthday parties and stuff,
but, um, you know, they really developed their own new world and life and stuff
that's not under the shadow of the farm.
And I respect that.
But my hope always is that everybody can harmonize and, and get together.
And I believe that there's hope for that.
[Caryn] It's been a year since all the craziness ensued
and things are still chilly, but I am hopeful every single day
that one of these times
things are gonna melt and get back on track.
[Matt] Chris came by. We talked pumpkin season.
-Is he in? -Yeah, he's in. He's in.
He doesn't want to get more in, but he's in. [chuckles] I mean...
He doesn't want to get more in? What does that mean?
He doesn't want to do more than what he did last year, a couple hours a day.
I tried to nudge him towards maybe a bigger commitment, you know.
I said, "Well, we'll build a program around whatever you want to do."
Zach's not gonna be here, you know, doing the tours
and he's not gonna be doing pumpkin season.
So we're hoping that Chris is interested in filling some of that role.
Last year, Chris kind of made his own schedule.
This year, it'd be nice if we could get a bigger commitment from him.
With Amy, you know, I think she's committed
to being there and doing her role,
but we want to nail down exactly what she's gonna be doing.
I think in the past, you know, Amy gets to be the face of the pumpkin season.
She sits out there and really greets everybody.
She's a very important part of what we do.
So I need to have a meeting with her and Chris
and we're just keeping our fingers crossed
that they, you know, continue to be interested in helping out.
Next step is get Chris and Amy over here.
Assuming that there is a pumpkin season
because right now I have the biggest catastrophe
in the history of pumpkin season.
You don't get me anymore. I've heard that so many times.
You always pull it off. I'm not panicking.
[Matt] Yeah, you know what I do though?
When I take a bite of the elephant,
I take... I shove so much in my mouth, I can't...
That's a... Just an awful analogy.
[Matt] That's my analogy right there.
I have to take little bites. I don't do that.
[Caryn] No, you don't.
[Matt] Coming up...
-[Amy] Hey, hey, hey. -[Caryn] How are ya?
So let's get down to business.
What are you guys...
Are you still on board?
[Amy] Everything that's gone on,
how this whole farm thing went down,
I think, you know, we're all trying to figure out
this is still family.
But how do we interact with that family now?
[Matt] And later...
So you're doing pumpkin season this year?
-Are you? -Things have changed, you know.
The place is up for sale.
And then, of course, you know, the whole thing between Matt and Chris.
-Their little bromance. -Yeah.
Are you okay with that?
[bright music playing]
-[Matt] Hey Caryn. -[Caryn] Yeah?
[Matt] Let's go. Amy and Chris are here.
We can chit-chat with them.
Chris and Amy are gonna come by
and talk about their involvement in pumpkin season
and that's bearing down on us right now.
So we would like to see Chris and Amy be here, um--
-As much as possible. -As much as possible, yeah.
So today it's about selling them on their involvement.
[Amy] I tell ya. I thought it was gonna be so much colder.
I thought about it and I didn't want to do it,
and then I did, and then I didn't.
So I agreed to do pumpkin season
because there's an element of it that I enjoy.
And to help out at something
that I've been a part of for a very, very long time.
I'm doing it because I was asked
and if it goes south, that's a choice I live with.
If it goes great, that's a choice I live with too.
-[Amy] Hey, hey, hey. -[Caryn] How are ya?
[Matt] Let me get off this thing.
So, it looks like you're setting up the air cannons over here.
I take it the net's gonna go up there between the poles?
[Matt laughs] Chris, you're good.
-Well, I try to figure out the operation. -Yeah, yeah.
Now, I thought I heard that maybe the pirate ship's gonna be a target?
Is that the... Still the plan?
[Matt strains] Yes.
The idea is you aim at the tin pirate cutouts.
Well, you know, Amy always dresses up as a pirate.
At least one day, during the season,
will she be required to be a human target during that day?
-See this? See this? -[Matt] I'll be shooting her.
[laughing] I'll challenge you.
[Matt] She'd have to give me two hands up.
[both laughing]
I'll be putting you on the plank.
There you go. That's actually pretty good.
-We should have a big plank coming out with Amy out there. -[chuckles] Yeah.
Matt and I were targets for you and Caryn a couple years ago.
-Yeah, we did do that, yeah. -We had fun doing that.
Come on, Amy. You've always wanted to do this to me.
-[air cannon fires] -Hey!
-[Caryn] Amy, you went right for him. -[cheering]
-Amy was aiming for my mouth. -[laughing]
-I was not. -But she hit my nose,
but can't blame her for that.
So, let's get down to business.
What are you guys...
Are you still on board?
Well, you haven't told me what the tour looks like yet.
We're going to cut the loop off that goes around the DW.
[Chris] Yeah?
And I'm assuming no pending offer on the house,
-so no restrictions there. -[Matt] No.
The farmhouse sale,
I think everybody's kind of waiting 'til the economy sorts itself out a bit.
So I'm gonna go into some other ideas that I have.
You said that you wanted to do about two hours
-or what... Is that still about right? -[Chris] Mmm-hmm.
And we tried to nudge you to three, right?
[laughs] You tried, yeah.
We did have a thought
about we do have a lot of people requesting the private tours
-and we haven't opened up that schedule at all. -[Caryn] Right.
Zach used to do these private tours,
and once Zach stepped back from the farm
and moved up to Battle Ground,
we stopped doing the private tours.
This year, we're gonna do the private tours on a very limited basis.
It's a shame that Zach's not gonna be doing 'em,
but hopefully Chris will kind of pitch in to help make it happen.
But we thought since you qualify so dearly as family,
this would be lucrative for you.
I'd be open to that. I'd...
Yeah, I was surprised when Matt mentioned the private tours.
That was actually kind of what I was hoping to do the year before.
The private tours were a position or a job
that Zachary was really excited about,
and willing to take on and that's all he would do.
So the farm is definitely missing Zach.
But it's totally understandable why he's not.
How about you, Caryn? What's your role?
-Are you running the show? -I'm doing the employees.
Okay. So, will I be working for you then?
-Yes. It's all a team effort. -[all laughing]
[Chris] Alright, well, I kind of have an idea of my duties.
What about Amy's duties?
[Matt] Yeah, Amy's duty is super critical.
-Well, greet everybody. -[Matt] Yes.
[Amy] I think some of the kids think I'm crazy about doing it.
Like, "Why? Why would you want to go back
and, I don't know, support that or whatever?"
Everything that's gone on between their dad and I
and knowing how this whole farm thing went down,
I think, you know, we're all trying to figure out...
This is still family.
But how do we interact with that family now?
I just want to make sure that
hopefully it doesn't impact my relationship with my kids.
Well, are you guys excited about the new season?
I think it's gonna be a good one.
Well, I'm excited to figure out what my job's gonna be.
But I do like the idea of doing the private tours.
-Okay, we'll talk more to you about that for sure. -[Chris] Yeah, yeah.
[Matt] I thought the meeting with Amy and Chris went well.
It'd be nice if Zach and Tori
and all of the members of the family would come out to pumpkin season,
but people have to make their own decisions about that.
I mean, it's sad, but that's where we are.
Coming up...
So you said you had a big plan B.
You feel like you get hit in the head with a hammer and it wakes you up.
It's just a matter of that it's a tough time.
It's time to listen [chuckles] to the hammer
hitting the side of my skull
and do something different with the farm.
[whimsical music playing]
[Tori] Momma's room is kind of a mess.
[Josiah giggling]
Okay, ready?
You crazy. You sit right here.
You stay right there, mister.
We got to find a date night outfit.
[coos]
Okay.
I have a lot of dresses actually though.
I just don't wear any of them.
My closet is filled with an excessive amount of clothes.
But it's always fun to like, get something new
for a date night and feel good about yourself.
It sucks 'cause I'm still in that mode of like,
I have to be able to feed him wherever I go,
so like, my wardrobe literally like, consists of like,
"Okay, what can I easily feed Josiah in?"
So I feel like until that's done,
I'm not gonna be able to like, wear what I want
-because I love wearing dresses. -[Josiah gurgles]
That's like, I live in dresses,
but I can't always do that when I'm breast feeding.
I also like, still don't really know
how to dress my body like, post mortem.
I've never really like... I don't know.
I always think something looks cute and then I leave the house
and I'm like, "What was I thinking?"
I don't know. Like, third kid, man, really rocked my world.
Like, with my body.
I'm at like, this awkward point in my life where like,
things just don't fit the way that I want them to.
So when I go shopping, it's just like,
I want to find something that feels good
and that's all that really matters to me right now.
Honestly, my style like, it's always been kinda plain.
So no, it hasn't really changed.
Like, that's kind of been me my whole life. [chuckles]
[Zach] Yeah, look at you.
You're like, right there.
-[babbling] -[Zach] That thing's gonna get crowded. [laughs]
Da-da.
Lilah loves to go shopping, huh?
Lilah, do you love dresses?
No? Not today?
-Da-da. -Babe, what kind of dress do you want me to get?
[Zach] I don't have an opinion.
[Tori] Well, I may have talked with your mother.
I think we're gonna go shopping.
[Zach] You guys are the same style?
Your mom has cute clothes.
Amy has mad style.
She's the most fun to run around with.
-Like, I used to hang out with your mom all the time. -[Zach] Yeah.
I mean, there was like, a rough patch there,
but I hope that we're kinda like, coming back into,
"Let's hang out."
Like, when you become a mom,
sometimes it's really difficult to take advice.
Tori's favorite line is,
if my mom says something to her about parenting,
she'll be like, "I've seen your work. [laughing]
I live with your work, okay?" Like... [chuckles]
No, but I think like... I think her and I both had to kind of learn
like, sometimes I need to be more receptive to advice
and sometimes I need to be less lectured.
But I think every mother-in-law
and daughter-in-law go through that.
[Zach] Okay, well, date night.
So, you're gonna go get a dress. I'll pick out a spot.
And then, my mom's lined up to watch the kids.
[Tori] I'm down for that.
[Zach] I think Tori definitely deserves this date night.
Yeah, it's important that Tori and me go out
and get some, you know, one on one time without the kids
and just spend time together, talk and just relax.
-Okay, so mom's gonna go shopping, okay? -[Lilah] Yeah.
What should I get?
I should get a chicken?
[upbeat music playing]
[Amy] Okay, babe.
We probably should have done this last year,
but I mean, we gave it a chance,
-but it's just not working there. -Yeah.
[Chris] The cedar by the pond,
it's been in bad shape ever since we moved in.
And it's not getting any better.
So, it's time for it to go.
So here's the plan.
I don't want it to fall across the pond
'cause I don't want any more of that dead crap falling in there.
So, I'm gonna tie a rope up,
and then when I cut it, I'd like you to pull
and guide it this way.
On top of me?
You know, I'm glad that I can help Chris out with some house projects.
However, the last time I helped him with a project,
[laughs] I almost got smooshed by the microwave.
Oh, this is heavy, babe.
Do you need to wedge this?
-[chuckles] -That ain't gonna work.
-Can you hold it here for a second? -Hang on. Hurry up.
-[wheeze] -[groans]
My shoulders hurt.
[door closes]
Okay, this is my reinforcement.
-[chuckling] -I mean, tie a rope around a tree.
"Oh yeah. Just pull it towards you, man. No problem."
[Chris] I'd like to think that the...
[laughing] The helmet wasn't necessary,
but uh, there has been a time or two
where my calculations were off just a little bit.
[both chuckle]
[Amy] We're gonna miss this little tree.
Just want you to... So none of it goes across the pond, but yeah.
-Just pull it right through here. -Alright.
[dramatic music playing]
[saw whirring]
Woah.
Oh, that was a piece of cake.
Well, except it landed on the pond, hon.
-You were supposed to pull it that way. -[Amy] Well, I tried.
[Chris] All she has to do is stand off to the side
-and then, just-- -I know, but my arm's not long enough.
I... Well, I could have yanked it.
-You could have just moved your body. -[laughing]
That's all you had to do was take a couple steps over.
[Amy] Hey, I did a good job.
[Chris chortles] What do you mean did a good job?
-That landed where it wasn't supposed to go. -[Amy] I did a good job.
-Are you serious? -Babe, you did nothing.
You held a string or a rope
-that went limp because you weren't pulling it. -[laughing]
[saw whirring]
-It kind of went towards me. -Once it started falling, she just watched it.
[laughing]
-[Chris] Alright. -[Amy] Man, you got that done quick.
It definitely looks a little more bare over there,
but now we're not looking at dead branches though.
Well anyway, um, I'm not sure if you're on your own for dinner or not.
I got to look at what we're doing.
I'm getting together with Tori.
We're gonna do a little shopping.
Tori and I are gonna go dress shopping
and I'm excited because I'm the mother-in-law, you know.
Let's face it. Not everyone has a rapport with their mother-in-law.
And so, when Tori, you know, had asked me
just to kind of hang out for the afternoon with her,
I thought, "Absolutely. That'll be so fun."
-[Chris] Do you two have the same fashion sense? -Oh gosh, no.
I don't have the same fashion sense as anybody.
When I go out shopping with Deb,
I'm like, anything in this store you could wear.
I've got to go through everything
and, "Oh no, that's not gonna work for a little person.
No, no." [mumbling]
When I do go shopping,
I often have to check so much of the different styles and sizes.
And then, most anything I have to alter.
It's like, "Oh brothers."
Okay, [sighs] so are you ready for pumpkin season?
Yeah, so uh, Caryn is going to be my boss.
[mischievous music playing]
[chuckles] Does that make her your boss too?
Hell no. No one ain't my boss on the Roloff Farm, man.
The day that happens is when I check out.
It's okay, hon. You can talk tough,
but we know who's boss around here.
[laughing]
Oh, you mean me? I'm so glad you know that.
[both laughing]
I have agreed to work pumpkin season this year.
I mean, I... I will admit.
It's not like I'm 100% jumping up and down for joy
'cause I think I still have some personal
emotions and thoughts
behind, you know, the farm
and what has gone down and everything.
I hope the kids come by and...
-Bring the grandkids by... -You know, it's...
...just to kind of check it out and say hi.
[Amy] Yeah, we'll have to see.
-We'll have to see. -[Chris] Yeah.
No matter what, it'll be interesting.
It's... There's a lot of changes.
There's a lot of dynamics going on. [chuckles]
The farm will always be Roloff Farms.
I mean, it's...
The Roloffs grew up there.
But I... There's a part of me that can definitely understand and see
why not all the kids would be there.
Because they don't consider it their farm anymore.
Maybe over time that will change depending on what happens to this farm,
but I... I think at this very second, it's Matt's farm.
It's their dad's farm.
And it's sad.
Coming up...
[Tori] These are super cute.
Can I pull these off?
[Amy] I think so.
This would be nice.
It's see through!
-[Amy] Oh yeah, but it's only like right here. -[gasping]
Amy Roloff!
What?
[Amy] Well, this'll be fun.
[Tori] Wait, what are you looking for? Just for funsies?
-Yeah, just for funsies and... -Okay.
...you know, I might, if I find a really neat dress
for this wedding that I gotta go to.
[Tori] Okay.
I'm going shopping with Amy to help me find an outfit for date night.
It's nice to just get out of the house
and just go shopping for me, which doesn't happen a lot.
I was telling Zach how me and Molly
used to raid your closet.
-[Amy] Oh, yeah, all the time. -[Tori] Remember when all of us hung out at the farm?
[Amy] Molly took a lot.
It's definitely not as easy for me to just leave the house as it is for Zach.
He just...
Wallet, keys, phone, see ya.
I have to make sure that there's, like,
food at home for our children to eat before I can leave.
But, when I left to go shopping with Amy,
it was like, "Peace, Mom! We got Dad, we don't need you."
See ya later.
-[clerk] Hi, welcome. -Hi!
-Yeah, hey, hi. How are you? -[clerk] How are ya? Good, thanks.
[Tori] I kind of want to get a leather jacket,
'cause I feel like Zach would freak.
Ooh, these are super cute.
Can I pull these off?
[Amy] I think so.
Well, see, that's the thing I love shopping with you.
It's like, I look at all of this,
and like, "Yeah, she can wear anything in this store."
So could you.
-Oh, God. -[Tori] You... Every time you try...
Every time I've ever gone shopping,
you're the one who makes out.
Oh, yeah. Look at this jacket.
-[Tori] Ooh! -Is this cool or what?
I think I might get this.
[gasping] This is this dress.
A lot of the dresses that I buy are cocktail dresses
or would come up to an average-sized person
just slightly above the knees or a little bit more.
For me, they come below the knee or mid-calf.
And I'm like, perfect!
I don't even have to do anything to this dress except put it on,
and I get so excited over that.
-Oh, how about this? -[Amy] This one?
-Well, here we go. -[Amy] Oh, see this would be nice.
-But it's too long. -It's see through!
-[Amy] Oh yeah, but it's only, like, right here. -[gasping]
-Amy Roloff! -[Amy laughing]
What?
-Oh, look at this. -[Tori] See anything else?
If this was longer...
Ooh, I actually really like that.
-[Amy] I do too. -[Tori] With, like, a tank top underneath?
[Amy] Let me see what size this is.
-[Amy] I like it. -[Tori] Are you trying it on?
Why not?
-Thank you. -[Tori] I want these jeans to work so bad,
but I'm not a 31.
Yeah, post-partum shopping for me is not fun.
It's been hard to, like, dress myself differently
just because, like, this time's very different than my first two.
So, it hasn't been as fun.
But I'm only, you know, four and a half months post-partum,
-so hopefully it'll get better. -Yeah.
[Tori] Oh, my God. Okay!
This is why I don't own a leather jacket.
-I can't move! Oh, I can't... -[Amy] I like the pants, Tori.
'Cause they're above your ankles,
-you got cute shoes, little booties... -[Tori] Mmm, I don't know...
-Okay. -[Amy] I'm not... I'm not digging the dress.
[Tori] Okay, wait, yeah. Let me see this.
-No, I'm not digging it. -[Tori] Too big?
[Tori giggling]
[Amy] Because I don't wanna take off the pants!
[Tori speaking]
I actually really like that, though.
Yeah, but it just feels...
[Tori] See, if it doesn't feel good you can't do it.
[Amy] But, see, look at it, it...
[Tori] Strike one.
Flare jeans just aren't my thing.
-[laughing] -[Amy] I thought they looked good.
[Tori] Oh, what? Amy, who are you?
That looks so good on you!
-This girl... -[Amy] Where am I?
[Tori] Who are you? I love that on you.
Yeah, where's the mirror?
-[Tori] That's so cute on you. -[Amy] I like it!
[Tori] So good.
It's not as cute on me as it is on you.
-Obviously, I wouldn't wear it like this... -[Amy] Classy.
-...but like, I would wear it underneath something. -Yeah, yeah.
Super cute.
[Amy] And the sleeves are a little long, but that's okay.
[Tori speaking]
-[Amy] You'll get there! -[Tori speaking]
-[Amy] You'll get there. -[Tori speaking]
[Amy] You'll get there, sister.
I'm definitely more motivated this time to, like, get back into shape.
I think that there was like a lot before that I was like,
"Well, I'm just gonna get pregnant again,
and it's all gonna just... hit the fan anyways."
So, like...
I would love to lose some weight,
but like, when you're wanting to have kids,
I wanted to be healthy rather than be, like...
...you know, skinny.
This time around, it is like,
I am done having children.
I am ready to, like, "Okay, now dieting
and like exercise could be more of a forefront for myself."
I mean, we could get matching shirts and matching earrings.
-[Amy] Oh, that's for you? Is there another pair? -[Tori] No, this is for me.
We didn't find exactly...
-...what we wanted. -We didn't find what we wanted.
Didn't get anything for a date.
-But we found other stuff. -[Amy] Yeah.
[Tori] Thank you!
-Okay, dinner is to the left. -[Amy] Is it?
[Tori] Ooh.
I am, like, scared this is gonna be too spicy.
Now, do you stick this whole thing in your mouth?
I don't know if I can!
Good job, girl.
-That's really good. -[Amy] Mmm-hmm.
It just feels...
And it's different with girlfriends, or, of course,
my lovely daughter-in-law here.
Girls and women, they...
They just know how to chit chat and talk, and...
And they enjoy what they're doing,
whereas sometimes going with your spouse,
it's like an ordeal for them or something.
I don't know.
It's better if you...
...with this stuff.
-Oh, is it? -Yeah.
That, honestly, was the best part of the whole day,
is we got to eat sushi, which I never get to eat sushi,
because my family doesn't like it.
And then with Josiah, sleep training...
It's been a week of misery, and so it was nice!
So it was nice hanging out with Amy and having that one-on-one time with her.
I remember one time you and I...
...it was me, you, Molly...
It was New Year's Day!
Like, oh, my gosh.
-And we all went shopping the next day. -Oh, yeah.
-We were all so hungover. -Oh, yeah, we were like...
-[groaning] -[Tori] Yeah.
-[Amy] Oh, wow. -That's like one of my most
-memorable shopping trips with you for some reason. -Oh, yeah.
[Amy] When Zach first met Tori and everything,
occasionally we would go shopping,
we would go out to eat, have a drink.
A lot of times Molly, when she was still in town,
would be there with us.
I... I just thought that was the coolest thing,
'cause it's like...
You hear all these stories about other mother-in-laws
saying, "Yeah, my daughter-in-law..."
you know, or, the daughter-in-law saying,
"Yeah, my mother-in-law..." and I...
I'm just really grateful for the relationship
and the rapport that I have with all my daughter-in-laws.
Um, and I'm just so appreciative
and thankful for the relationship that I have with Tori.
Gosh, this is good.
You know what? I am so glad you suggested this.
-This is fantastic! -Mmm-hmm, that's really nice.
Okay, so you're doing pumpkin season this year?
You know what, it...
It like... I mean...
Oh, boy.
So, you're doing pumpkin season this year?
-Are you? -[Amy] How convenient.
Oh, you can't talk. Oh, sorry.
So yeah. I... I debated, like... I mean...
In the beginning, I was like,
"Oh, my God. What are my kids gonna think?"
People are gonna say, you know,
him and all, why...
But yeah, I'm doing pumpkin season this year.
And it's so funny, because a lot of people ask me,
"Well, where are the kids? Where are the kids?"
I said, "You know what?"
And I think that... well, the thing is,
I think of myself,
it's your season of life right now,
and I said, "Well, you know, if they come they come."
-But I'm not expecting that. -[Tori] Right.
I could see Zachary maybe taking Jackson,
but I will not be going to pumpkin season this year.
-We've already like... -[Amy] No...
-...we're doing our own tradition for harvest... -[Amy] Yeah.
...and all that this year, you know?
Like, it's just...
I don't... I don't need to be a part of it.
It's a sad place to me now, and I don't need to, like,
go to a sad place.
That's just not healthy, so...
It's still sad for me to go there,
-'cause I'm thinking what this could've been. -Yeah.
Things have changed, you know.
-The place is up for sale... -[Tori] Right.
It's just different. It's... It's like...
-I don't even know this place anymore! -Right.
[Amy] And then of course, you know...
The whole thing between Matt and Chris,
I'm like, oh brothers.
-Their little bromance? -[Amy] And... yeah.
[Tori] Are you okay with that?
The one thing I told myself Tori, it's like,
I bring a lot of baggage, and he's never been married, he doesn't have kids.
Zach and I have talked about it, though.
We, like, worry about you... sometimes.
And it's just like, we wanna make sure...
-Aw, my kids... -[Tori] ...that you're like, uh, yeah!
Like that you're comfortable there,
and that like...
...you know.
-'Cause we have such an emotional, like... -[Amy] Well, mmm-hmm.
...issue with it right now, that like,
I can't even imagine where your headspace is at.
-It's so funny... -[Tori] And we love that, like,
Chris gets along with Matt, but we also just, like...
-[Amy] Oh, yeah. -Hope he recognizes, like...
-[Amy] No. -...the lines, I guess.
[Amy] Tori told me that her and Zach
were just worried about me and,
I think it might've been the first time
that I've heard it so directly...
...from any of my kids.
And I really wanted to try and not to be on the defense.
This was really about love and concern for me.
So, there's a part of me that felt glad
that they were... were thinking about that.
I... I try to do really good at the absolutes.
There's a lot going on here, and I've got a lot of history,
-and it doesn't work for me. -[Tori] Right.
The... The stage of life that I'm in,
um, I... I think I'm able to give Chris a place
to be heard, and also he does the same for me.
But with Matt, everything was happening and chaotic,
keep moving, I think, you know, you lose the fact
that you didn't give each other
what you really need in a relationship.
I think we all saw how, like, devastated you were,
-that it didn't work out. -[Amy] Oh, but I...
I like marriage.
Like, I... the whole concept of it.
-And... and it should last a lifetime, you know? -[Tori] Right.
[Amy] But I... I had to contain myself,
because it's like, I... I gotta handle myself in a way,
that not only can I be proud of myself,
-but also... -But you also had kids.
-And you had a young kid with Jacob, like... -[Amy] But I also had kids.
Yeah.
Divorce was hard on me.
And I realize how much it played on me,
and how close I could've been destroyed.
Internally, emotionally, mentally, and...
I think I came away from divorce being proud of the fact that...
...I had something to stand on,
and that was my faith...
...it was being a mom...
...because I cannot let myself go there...
...knowing that I've got four kids to still be here for.
So they gave me a purpose, they gave me a reason.
And... they will always be, till...
[choked up sigh]
In... In a lot of ways, um, my kids were my saving grace.
I just hope I was a good... good enough mom for them.
But seeing who they are now, seeing...
...who they're becoming, and...
...family life, they're married, they've got...
They've chosen good people, and... and you know,
that makes me happy.
My hope is that one day, it's never gonna be the same,
obviously we all know that...
...but maybe one day, Zachary and his dad...
...can reconcile to the point where whatever.
-So to me, that is what I hope. -I think especially with
-the farm leaving the situation... -[Amy] Yeah.
...I think that will help everyone
-in the long run. -Well, we'll see if it even sells.
Mmm-hmm.
I would prefer for the farm to go away.
Yeah, I think it would just be a lot easier on our family, personally.
Instead of it just still constantly being dangled in front of everyone.
I think that there's been a lot more damage than just selling the farm.
And so, the farm disappearing tomorrow
doesn't... fix the relationship between us,
and Matt and Caryn.
I don't know if I could, like, pinpoint what's gonna mend the relationship.
Time, hopefully?
-Sister, girl, this was so fun! -[Tori] This was.
This was exactly what I needed.
[Caryn] You can see a little bit of fall in the trees now.
[Matt] Yeah, a little bit of fall, right?
[Caryn] Come here, you!
[Lucy barking]
[Caryn] Hey, what's the matter, you?
-[Matt] Well, let's go check it out. -[Caryn] Okay.
-Lucy, go on. -[Matt] Lucy, go out, go out.
You're not allowed in here.
Wow, it's empty again!
Yup! Isn't that funny?
The staging was so beautiful, but I know you...
With no buyers, you can't just keep it...
-[Matt] Yeah. -...staged forever.
[Matt] Today we're in the big house.
They've just pulled all the staging back out.
That's rental stuff.
We already have pictures and the videos of inside,
so we don't need we need to pay for it any...
You pay for it monthly. It's a big nut!
Um, and also 'cause the economy isn't looking
like it's gonna turn and do anything really good,
and it's... we're going into winter.
You know, houses in this area on a farm,
they're gonna be more apt to sell during the... spring and summer.
So we kind of put it in the background for now,
focus on the pumpkin season, and focus on what the next step
with the big house would be.
So you said you had a big plan B.
-[Matt] Mmm-hmm. -Do tell.
[Matt] You know, occasionally, even Matt Roloff's thick skull,
you know, you feel like you get hit in the head with a hammer
and it wakes you up.
It's time to listen...
...to the hammer hitting the side of my skull,
and possibly going in a different direction.
I'm really kicking around my plan B.
[Caryn] Are you thinking about taking it off the market, then?
[Matt sighing] Um...
Maybe.
There's been a couple of close calls,
but I'm not saying, you know, that's, uh, imminent.
I think high-end real estate market has totally taken a tank.
Yeah, and you know, interest rates are going up again.
-[Matt] Yup, yeah. -So, it doesn't look like there's...
-...anything on the horizon. -[Matt] Right.
Isn't anything that I... anything, uh,
gonna happen anytime real soon, I don't think.
The farm sale, there's a lot of things that I don't, you know,
have any control or influence on.
I think some of it I expected, some of it's a little bit of a surprise,
but I'm rolling with the punches,
and trying to deal with the... the wave of...
which... you know, which way the wind is blowing on different things.
It's hard to celebrate something when you wanna go one way,
and it, you know, blows you in a different direction.
But I'm looking at, "Oh, how can I turn this into an opportunity?"
Yeah, I'm gonna move to plan B now.
I know that this decision may shock some people,
but I have to keep things moving forward.
It's a huge decision.
But something's gotta change.
[narrator] Next, on Little People, Big World.
Cheers to date night.
Sleep training is tough, but I think we're coming out of it.
Yeah.
All right, you're upset with me or something?
I do feel underappreciated.
You've been doing great with Josiah...
It would just be nice to hear it.
[Zach] Like, I just don't say it every day.
Obviously, I appreciate you.
See, that's where relationships go south.
If I'm not being critical...
Assuming makes an ass out of you and me.
[Tori chuckling]
Excellent, good job.
-I like the salad a lot. -Mmm-hmm.
[Zach] Are you tour guiding?
Matt opened up that he might want to do private tours.
Are you... still not?
-Oh, yeah. No. -[Chris] No?
Would you hold it against me if I did?
[Zach] You know, my dad bringing back private tours,
trying to sell it off like it's the same thing, as me doing private tours,
it's like, whatever.
Are you gonna tell everybody about... that you're switching gears?
Are you just gonna do it, or...
No, I'm gonna tell everybody.
I just, you know, wanna wait till it's official.
I mean, I'm still in the decision process.
I'm not worried about what everybody else thinks.
I mean, I have no idea what their reaction might be.