1 00:00:00,020 --> 00:00:02,060 (THEME MUSIC PLAYS) 2 00:00:12,380 --> 00:00:15,380 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK) 3 00:00:15,380 --> 00:00:16,860 (EXCITED CHATTER) 4 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:17,060 (EXCITED CHATTER) (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK) 5 00:00:17,060 --> 00:00:18,820 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK) 6 00:00:18,820 --> 00:00:19,060 MATT SHEA: Few people have become as popular, influential (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK) 7 00:00:19,060 --> 00:00:21,820 MATT SHEA: Few people have become as popular, influential 8 00:00:21,820 --> 00:00:24,580 and seemingly wealthy in such a short space of time 9 00:00:24,580 --> 00:00:24,820 and seemingly wealthy in such a short space of time as the influencer Andrew Tate. 10 00:00:24,820 --> 00:00:27,100 as the influencer Andrew Tate. 11 00:00:27,980 --> 00:00:29,860 In December 2022 12 00:00:29,860 --> 00:00:31,460 Tate was arrested in Romania, 13 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:32,940 accused of rape 14 00:00:32,940 --> 00:00:33,180 and of grooming women into working accused of rape 15 00:00:33,180 --> 00:00:36,460 and of grooming women into working for him as online sex workers. 16 00:00:38,780 --> 00:00:41,700 The world is now focused on his upcoming trial. 17 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:45,740 But how did Tate become so infamous in such a short space of time? 18 00:00:47,140 --> 00:00:49,340 Surely he didn't do it alone. 19 00:00:50,980 --> 00:00:52,340 For two years I've been investigating 20 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:55,140 his secretive society, the War Room... 21 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:55,380 his secretive society, The War Room is a whirlpool. 22 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:56,980 The War Room is a whirlpool. 23 00:00:56,980 --> 00:00:57,220 Once you're in, you're in, The War Room is a whirlpool. and it's hard to get out. 24 00:00:57,220 --> 00:00:59,740 Once you're in, you're in, and it's hard to get out. 25 00:00:59,740 --> 00:01:01,660 ..speaking to women who say they were targeted 26 00:01:01,660 --> 00:01:01,900 ..speaking to women by this shadowy organisation... 27 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:03,740 by this shadowy organisation... 28 00:01:03,740 --> 00:01:05,020 As soon as I walked in the door, 29 00:01:05,020 --> 00:01:06,500 he, like, pushed me to my knees 30 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:09,020 and, like, smacked me really hard across the face. 31 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:10,300 ..and whistleblowers 32 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:13,340 who are now ready to reveal what is really going on. 33 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:15,900 "Let's not kid ourselves - this is a cult." 34 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:18,140 Who's in charge? Of the War Room? 35 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:22,700 Could someone else be behind the cult of Andrew Tate? 36 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:22,980 Could someone else Fuck, there he is. There he is. He's be behind the cult of Andrew Tate? right there. I just saw him come out. 37 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:25,300 Fuck, there he is. There he is. He's right there. I just saw him come out. 38 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:26,660 Dude, just go, just go. 39 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:26,900 I want to ask you Dude, just go, just go. 40 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:29,140 I want to ask you a couple questions. 41 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:57,300 I first visited Tate's compound in August 2022... 42 00:01:58,260 --> 00:02:00,580 My best friends. Hello. Hello. 43 00:02:00,580 --> 00:02:00,860 Great to meet you, man. Good to see you. Hello. Hello. 44 00:02:00,860 --> 00:02:03,140 Great to meet you, man. Good to see you. 45 00:02:03,140 --> 00:02:03,420 Great to meet you, man. Good to see you. ..where I went inside his so-called secret society, the War Room. 46 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:06,820 ..where I went inside his so-called secret society, the War Room. 47 00:02:06,820 --> 00:02:08,100 Come here, guys, come up to the front. 48 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:11,260 They told me the War Room was all about brotherhood, 49 00:02:11,260 --> 00:02:13,780 self-improvement and positive masculinity. 50 00:02:13,780 --> 00:02:15,900 But I felt something more was happening 51 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:16,180 when, through a hotel window, But I felt something more I saw a group of men was happening 52 00:02:16,180 --> 00:02:18,860 when, through a hotel window, I saw a group of men 53 00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:19,100 when, through a hotel window, photographing naked women. 54 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:21,340 photographing naked women. 55 00:02:21,340 --> 00:02:23,900 You can currently join for $8,000 a year, 56 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:25,460 which gets you access to a telegram group 57 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:27,380 and the option to spend even more money 58 00:02:27,380 --> 00:02:30,900 by buying exclusive courses and attending events around the world. 59 00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:31,180 The War Room is led by a group of so-called 'generals'. by buying exclusive courses and attending events around the world. 60 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:34,260 The War Room is led by a group of so-called 'generals'. 61 00:02:34,260 --> 00:02:37,100 The most famous are his brother Tristan, 62 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:40,300 'Sartorial Shooter' - his head of security and operations, 63 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:40,540 Jonathan the 'money pilot', his head of security and operations, 64 00:02:40,540 --> 00:02:42,820 Jonathan the 'money pilot', 65 00:02:42,820 --> 00:02:47,980 and Iggy Semmelweis, the mysterious self-proclaimed 'wizard'. 66 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:54,140 (BANGS) 67 00:02:54,140 --> 00:02:56,900 ARCHIVE REPORTER: The online influencer Andrew Tate 68 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:57,140 ARCHIVE REPORTER: has been detained in Romania 69 00:02:57,140 --> 00:02:58,540 has been detained in Romania 70 00:02:58,540 --> 00:02:58,780 as part of a human trafficking has been detained in Romania 71 00:02:58,780 --> 00:03:01,580 as part of a human trafficking and rape investigation. 72 00:03:01,580 --> 00:03:04,860 Mr Tate was arrested, as was his brother Tristan. 73 00:03:04,860 --> 00:03:05,100 Mr Tate was arrested, On 29 December 2022 74 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:07,500 On 29 December 2022 75 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:07,740 Tate was arrested On 29 December 2022 76 00:03:07,740 --> 00:03:10,020 Tate was arrested by Romanian authorities, 77 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:13,220 accused of manipulating women into webcam sex work. 78 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:16,060 It's alleged that he used the 'loverboy' method 79 00:03:16,060 --> 00:03:17,660 as part of his recruitment process. 80 00:03:17,660 --> 00:03:19,140 This is a type of grooming 81 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:20,660 in which a person presents themselves 82 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:20,900 as romantically interested in which a person presents themselves 83 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:22,700 as romantically interested in someone, 84 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:22,940 as romantically interested promising them a relationship 85 00:03:22,940 --> 00:03:24,260 promising them a relationship 86 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:28,300 but with the sole purpose of manipulating them into sex work. 87 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:30,460 The authorities are focusing their investigation 88 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:31,980 on Andrew Tate and his brother, 89 00:03:31,980 --> 00:03:33,580 but what I'm interested in 90 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:37,220 is what's going on at the top level of his organisation. 91 00:03:37,220 --> 00:03:39,740 What is happening inside the War Room? 92 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:43,660 To find out 93 00:03:43,660 --> 00:03:43,900 I've enlisted the help of someone To find out 94 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:45,940 I've enlisted the help of someone who says he can show me 95 00:03:45,940 --> 00:03:48,820 what the organisation's real purpose is. 96 00:03:50,540 --> 00:03:53,820 So, as well as hundreds of thousands of Andrew Tate fans, 97 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:57,700 one of the things that's happening with the internet and Andrew Tate 98 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:01,020 is the rise of these kind of internet sleuths 99 00:04:01,020 --> 00:04:05,580 who are just obsessed with investigating Andrew Tate. 100 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:08,220 But the most prolific one by far 101 00:04:08,220 --> 00:04:11,020 is a man who goes by the name of CrabCrawler on Twitter, 102 00:04:11,020 --> 00:04:11,260 is a man who goes by the name and he has access, he says, 103 00:04:11,260 --> 00:04:13,500 and he has access, he says, 104 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:16,500 to the internal chat logs of Andrew Tate's War Room. 105 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:19,020 So, we've come to Cleveland to pay him a visit. 106 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:22,500 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) 107 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:33,660 (KNOCKS) 108 00:04:33,660 --> 00:04:33,900 Hey there, Matt! (KNOCKS) 109 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:36,700 Hey there, Matt! Nick, hello! 110 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:36,940 Hey there, Matt! Good to meet you in real life. 111 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:38,380 Good to meet you in real life. 112 00:04:38,380 --> 00:04:39,900 Yeah. 113 00:04:41,340 --> 00:04:46,380 Beautiful day in Cleveland to talk about a serious subject. 114 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:46,660 CrabCrawler developed a platform as a hard-right journalist and blogger, Beautiful day in Cleveland to talk about a serious subject. 115 00:04:46,660 --> 00:04:51,500 CrabCrawler developed a platform as a hard-right journalist and blogger, 116 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:51,780 CrabCrawler developed a platform as a hard-right journalist and blogger, where he first encountered Tate, then a rising star of the right, 117 00:04:51,780 --> 00:04:55,100 where he first encountered Tate, then a rising star of the right, 118 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:58,060 who is going by his former kickboxing title, CobraTate. 119 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:02,860 So, do you consider yourself part of the kind of right wing? 120 00:05:02,860 --> 00:05:05,100 Not anymore. 121 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:08,260 So, this has actually changed your kind of political views, 122 00:05:08,260 --> 00:05:08,500 So, this has actually changed this whole experience? 123 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:09,620 this whole experience? 124 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:09,860 It corrected me this whole experience? 125 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:11,820 It corrected me back towards the centre again. 126 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:12,060 It corrected me But really rattled me the most 127 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:14,500 But really rattled me the most 128 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:18,620 was the silence from some right-wing figures 129 00:05:18,620 --> 00:05:22,060 that really should have spoken up about this 130 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:24,300 and had their horse in this race. 131 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:27,820 CrabCrawler claims he's now a reformed character 132 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:30,260 and recently was handed a treasure trove - 133 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:32,500 12,000 pages of encrypted messages 134 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:36,580 sent by hundreds of War Room members over the course of two years. 135 00:05:37,540 --> 00:05:42,820 And now that I have these chat logs, these crazy, mind-blowing chat logs, 136 00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:48,900 I can see how complex this situation really is beyond the surface. 137 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:49,140 I can see how complex this situation So, what is the War Room? 138 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:51,380 So, what is the War Room? 139 00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:56,100 It's one side of an ultimate irony in Andrew Tate's business model. 140 00:05:56,100 --> 00:06:00,900 On one end he exploits the sexual gratification of men 141 00:06:00,900 --> 00:06:01,140 On one end he exploits by putting out webcam girls. 142 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:02,460 by putting out webcam girls. 143 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:03,940 And on the other end 144 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:04,180 he sells And on the other end 145 00:06:04,180 --> 00:06:06,940 he sells the self-improvement formula 146 00:06:06,940 --> 00:06:07,180 he sells that promises to make men better. 147 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:09,140 that promises to make men better. 148 00:06:09,140 --> 00:06:14,060 It's a pyramid scheme with some window dressing. 149 00:06:14,060 --> 00:06:17,340 At one end of the scale, for £39 a month, 150 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:19,540 you could join his Hustler's University, 151 00:06:19,540 --> 00:06:22,060 which promised a path to making money online. 152 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:26,860 Above this were bespoke courses on topics like chess - £197, 153 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:27,100 developing an 'iron mind' - £547, on topics like chess - £197, 154 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:30,820 developing an 'iron mind' - £547, 155 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:33,660 and right at the top his highest-value product - 156 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:36,700 membership to Andrew Tate's War Room. 157 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:36,900 membership to Andrew Tate's War Room. Getting into the War Room 158 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,340 Getting into the War Room 159 00:06:38,340 --> 00:06:40,940 means you're basically brought into the school 160 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:41,180 means you're basically to learn to become like Andrew Tate, 161 00:06:41,180 --> 00:06:43,020 to learn to become like Andrew Tate, 162 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:44,660 and that includes the PhD course 163 00:06:44,660 --> 00:06:49,220 of how he lures women into becoming camgirls. 164 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:53,500 The online course that CrabCrawler is referring to 165 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,660 is called 'the PhD', or 'Pimping Hoes Degree'. 166 00:06:56,660 --> 00:06:58,780 It has been removed from Tate's website 167 00:06:58,780 --> 00:07:01,580 but is a required course to join the elites in the War Room, 168 00:07:01,580 --> 00:07:01,820 but is a required course costing an additional £337. 169 00:07:01,820 --> 00:07:05,140 costing an additional £337. 170 00:07:05,140 --> 00:07:08,300 The PhD is taught by Andrew Tate himself, 171 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:10,300 and in private, behind a paywall, 172 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:14,260 he says it teaches men a method for seducing women into a relationship 173 00:07:14,260 --> 00:07:14,500 he says it teaches men a method for and then gradually manipulating them 174 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:15,900 and then gradually manipulating them 175 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:19,260 into working for you in online sex work. 176 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:20,500 The first thing that's clear 177 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:23,100 from looking at these encrypted War Room communications 178 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:27,660 is that Tate and the generals are pushing the PhD course to members. 179 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:30,820 Andrew Tate says you have to add the PhD program 180 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:31,060 Andrew Tate says to convert girls to work. 181 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:32,940 to convert girls to work. 182 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:35,140 (READS) "PhD is essential. 183 00:07:35,140 --> 00:07:36,060 "Essential. 184 00:07:36,060 --> 00:07:37,980 "Cam course alone won't do it." 185 00:07:49,220 --> 00:07:51,820 It's difficult to know when members are simply bragging, 186 00:07:51,820 --> 00:07:52,060 It's difficult to know but these encrypted messages 187 00:07:52,060 --> 00:07:53,380 but these encrypted messages 188 00:07:53,380 --> 00:07:56,620 show the men in the War Room feeding back to Tate and the generals 189 00:07:56,620 --> 00:08:00,260 how they were putting into action the teachings from the PhD course. 190 00:08:00,260 --> 00:08:03,020 They call this 'showing receipts'. 191 00:08:24,220 --> 00:08:26,460 Men also brag about their control over women 192 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:28,260 by sharing examples of the punishments 193 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:28,500 by sharing examples they've meted out on them. 194 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:30,740 they've meted out on them. 195 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:43,460 They're eager to show off to other members 196 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:47,740 when their financial exploitation of women has produced lucrative results. 197 00:08:53,260 --> 00:08:54,820 It's a PhD receipt. 198 00:08:54,820 --> 00:08:56,300 That's the new whip. 199 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:58,700 That's the whip that my girl bought 200 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:01,700 for me, registered in my name. 201 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:04,340 All possible because of the PhD. 202 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:11,060 So, CrabCrawler has just handed us 203 00:09:11,060 --> 00:09:11,300 almost 12,000 pages So, CrabCrawler has just handed us 204 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:15,620 almost 12,000 pages of internal War Room telegram chats. 205 00:09:15,620 --> 00:09:17,260 It's going to take a while to go through, 206 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:21,220 but this is the War Room members talking unfiltered 207 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:22,740 when they don't think anyone's listening in. 208 00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:25,820 And from these conversations it seems pretty clear 209 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:30,860 that the War Room is about a lot more than just positive masculinity. 210 00:09:34,060 --> 00:09:37,220 (BIRDS TWITTER) 211 00:09:44,380 --> 00:09:47,180 After verifying the authenticity of these messages 212 00:09:47,180 --> 00:09:47,460 by speaking to the War Room insider who leaked them to CrabCrawler, After verifying the authenticity of these messages 213 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:51,060 by speaking to the War Room insider who leaked them to CrabCrawler, 214 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:51,300 we begin to go through them in detail who leaked them to CrabCrawler, 215 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:52,980 we begin to go through them in detail 216 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:53,180 we begin to go through them in detail and start to notice something. 217 00:09:53,180 --> 00:09:55,140 and start to notice something. 218 00:09:55,140 --> 00:09:55,380 The person who appears to push the and start to notice something. 219 00:09:55,380 --> 00:09:59,300 The person who appears to push the PhD course most frequently to members 220 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:01,820 is a War Room general and self-proclaimed 'wizard' 221 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:03,860 called Iggy Semmelweis. 222 00:10:05,340 --> 00:10:06,860 From his messages, 223 00:10:06,860 --> 00:10:08,780 manipulating women into sex work 224 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:11,540 seems central to the War Room's agenda. 225 00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:14,660 It's well known that Tate himself is under investigation 226 00:10:14,660 --> 00:10:18,220 for using the 'loverboy' method to coerce women into sex work, 227 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:18,460 for using the 'loverboy' method but the evidence suggests 228 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:19,460 but the evidence suggests 229 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:21,940 that it isn't just Tate allegedly using this method. 230 00:10:21,940 --> 00:10:25,220 The War Room generals are actively teaching it to members, 231 00:10:25,220 --> 00:10:28,780 making this potentially much wider than we thought. 232 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:33,220 ARCHIVE REPORTER: A court in Romania has agreed to allow 233 00:10:33,220 --> 00:10:36,340 the controversial social-media influencer Andrew Tate 234 00:10:36,340 --> 00:10:39,340 to leave prison and move into house arrest. 235 00:10:40,420 --> 00:10:41,900 On March 31 236 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:45,420 the Tate brothers win a court appeal to be released under house arrest 237 00:10:45,420 --> 00:10:47,780 while the authorities continue their investigation. 238 00:10:48,740 --> 00:10:50,980 This means we may have a chance to ask him 239 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:54,380 if he's the leader of a global grooming organisation. 240 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:56,020 Freedom at last. 241 00:10:56,020 --> 00:10:59,540 (LAUGHTER, CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 242 00:10:59,540 --> 00:11:02,940 (PHONE LINE RINGS) 243 00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:09,860 Andrew, hey. 244 00:11:12,020 --> 00:11:14,540 Yeah, that's what I... That's how I like to think of myself. 245 00:11:14,540 --> 00:11:14,780 Yeah, that's what I... Look, the main reason I'm calling 246 00:11:14,780 --> 00:11:16,300 Look, the main reason I'm calling 247 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:20,820 is I want to see whether you were up for doing another interview. 248 00:11:27,940 --> 00:11:29,460 Because we have a history 249 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:33,780 and there are still unanswered questions that I want to put to you. 250 00:11:51,540 --> 00:11:53,420 But because of our history... 251 00:12:04,980 --> 00:12:08,900 I'll check with my superiors whether I can send you a box of chocolates. 252 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:13,140 OK, one quick thing... 253 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:13,380 (LINE BLIPS) OK, one quick thing... OK. 254 00:12:13,380 --> 00:12:14,660 (LINE BLIPS) OK. 255 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:20,420 I think he thinks he's even more the messiah than he was before. 256 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:23,420 He said he was the most relevant person in the world. 257 00:12:23,420 --> 00:12:25,100 And then there's this whole power game 258 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,220 of having to bring him a box of chocolates. 259 00:12:28,180 --> 00:12:29,780 It's so bizarre. 260 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:30,020 Now I need to find out if I legally It's so bizarre. 261 00:12:30,020 --> 00:12:32,980 Now I need to find out if I legally can bring a box of chocolates 262 00:12:32,980 --> 00:12:33,220 Now I need to find out if I legally or whether that's considered bribery. 263 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:35,460 or whether that's considered bribery. 264 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:52,660 Two days later and I'm in Bucharest 265 00:12:52,660 --> 00:12:55,540 on my way back to Andrew Tate's house. 266 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:59,500 But this time the circumstances feel a bit different. 267 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:02,980 I really never thought I would meet this man again in my life. 268 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:18,100 Hey. How's it going? 269 00:13:24,020 --> 00:13:25,500 Hi. 270 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:28,060 Is Andrew coming out to meet us? 271 00:13:28,060 --> 00:13:29,620 Uh... 272 00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:30,940 Yeah. Who are you? 273 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:32,580 Matt from the BBC. 274 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:34,300 Alright. I'm going to let him know. 275 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:36,540 OK, great. Thank you. Thanks. 276 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:44,340 (CAMERAMAN SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 277 00:13:46,780 --> 00:13:49,540 It's been now 15 minutes. 278 00:14:00,060 --> 00:14:01,700 OK, so, I spoke with Andrew, 279 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:04,220 and you either give him the chocolate 280 00:14:04,220 --> 00:14:04,460 and you either and you'll have an interview 281 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:05,780 and you'll have an interview 282 00:14:05,780 --> 00:14:07,540 or you don't and you don't have. 283 00:14:07,540 --> 00:14:07,780 So, where's the chocolate? or you don't and you don't have. 284 00:14:07,780 --> 00:14:09,620 So, where's the chocolate? Where's he? 285 00:14:09,620 --> 00:14:11,620 He's inside. OK, cool. Yeah, if he comes out... 286 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:13,380 You have to give him the chocolate first. 287 00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:14,580 No, I'm not gonna give you the chocolate. 288 00:14:14,580 --> 00:14:14,820 No, I'm not gonna If he comes out, I'll give it to him. 289 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:16,260 If he comes out, I'll give it to him. 290 00:14:16,260 --> 00:14:18,340 You're either going to give me the chocolate, 291 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:20,580 I'm going to give him the chocolate, you'll have an interview. 292 00:14:20,580 --> 00:14:21,460 If not... 293 00:14:21,460 --> 00:14:23,860 This is getting quite silly, though. 294 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:26,220 Andrew's being accused of some very serious crimes. 295 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:26,460 Andrew's being accused Yeah. 296 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:27,220 Yeah. 297 00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:29,260 He should take this seriously. 298 00:14:29,260 --> 00:14:32,380 So, are you going to be giving the chocolates? 299 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:34,860 No, I told you I would give it to him when he comes out. 300 00:14:34,860 --> 00:14:37,500 Then I told you that I need the chocolate now. 301 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:40,860 You must realise how silly this looks. 302 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:43,060 See you. 303 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:48,140 Trolling the press is Tate's key tactic 304 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:51,980 for fighting back against what he and his fans see as the 'Matrix', 305 00:14:51,980 --> 00:14:55,220 a global conspiracy that aims to silence him. 306 00:14:55,220 --> 00:14:55,460 His fans buy into this, a global conspiracy that aims to silence him. 307 00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:57,060 His fans buy into this, 308 00:14:57,060 --> 00:14:58,540 sending me scores of death threats 309 00:14:58,540 --> 00:15:01,020 ranging from "I'm going to wait outside your office 310 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:02,340 "and slit your throat" 311 00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:04,820 to "there are individuals" who "will dismember you 312 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:06,820 "in front of your parents." 313 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:07,020 "in front of your parents." (PHONE LINE RINGS) 314 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:08,940 (PHONE LINE RINGS) 315 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:10,700 ANDREW TATE: (ON SPEAKERPHONE) Yes, Matt. 316 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:10,940 ANDREW TATE: (ON SPEAKERPHONE) Hi, Andrew. 317 00:15:10,940 --> 00:15:11,980 Hi, Andrew. 318 00:15:11,980 --> 00:15:13,740 No, I don't want to do a quick interview. 319 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:15,980 I want to do an in-depth, detailed interview. 320 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:17,860 My first interview under house arrest 321 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:21,180 is going to be world-breaking, it's going to be massive, 322 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:25,020 perhaps the biggest internet interview of the year, 323 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:25,260 perhaps the biggest perhaps of the decade. 324 00:15:25,260 --> 00:15:26,780 perhaps of the decade. 325 00:15:26,780 --> 00:15:30,300 I own the culture and I want to do it properly. 326 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:33,260 I want to give you the chance to give your side of the story. 327 00:15:33,260 --> 00:15:34,500 That's why I'm here. 328 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:36,140 I'm coming... You're giving ME a chance?! 329 00:15:36,140 --> 00:15:37,980 Yeah, because... You're such a nice guy. 330 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:40,460 Because, listen, these accusations are coming out regardless. 331 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:40,700 Because, listen, these accusations Please, Matthew, 332 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:41,620 Please, Matthew, 333 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:43,940 you're not giving me a chance, I'M giving YOU a chance. 334 00:15:43,940 --> 00:15:45,500 I've given you a very fair parameter. 335 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,300 It's a parameter that you can either adhere to 336 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:50,580 or you can go home and fly home economy on Wizz Air. 337 00:15:50,580 --> 00:15:52,940 I don't give a fuck. It's up to you. 338 00:15:52,940 --> 00:15:56,260 Stop calling me. You know the parameter. You decide. 339 00:15:56,260 --> 00:16:00,260 So... So, that's your response to the accusations? 340 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:00,500 So... So, that's your response Mm. OK. 341 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:01,500 Mm. OK. 342 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:08,820 With Tate refusing to speak to us 343 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:12,100 to get any answers about whether the War Room uses the 'loverboy' method 344 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:14,140 to groom women they want to recruit into webcam, 345 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:17,300 we'll need to speak to those women themselves. 346 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:22,540 Our investigation has found that, as of August 2022, 347 00:16:22,540 --> 00:16:26,620 there were 434 members of the War Room all around the world. 348 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:29,820 We have identified 45 potential victims 349 00:16:29,820 --> 00:16:32,060 who are mentioned in CrabCrawler's chat logs. 350 00:16:32,060 --> 00:16:33,460 Though, with limited information, 351 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,940 the true number is likely much higher. 352 00:16:35,940 --> 00:16:38,940 Two of these women have agreed to meet with us, 353 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:40,780 one in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 354 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:44,060 and one on the West Coast of the US. 355 00:16:53,140 --> 00:16:57,420 To protect this woman's identity, she's going by the alias Amanda. 356 00:16:58,260 --> 00:16:59,900 Hi. Hi, Amanda. 357 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:01,300 How's it going? Good. How are you? 358 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:02,780 Good to meet you. Nice to meet you. 359 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:04,540 Welcome. Thanks for letting us in. 360 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:07,380 The man Amanda claims groomed her into online sex work 361 00:17:07,380 --> 00:17:09,980 is one of the War Room generals. Jonathan Bowe, 362 00:17:09,980 --> 00:17:10,220 is one of the War Room generals. AKA 'the money pilot' 363 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:12,020 AKA 'the money pilot' 364 00:17:12,020 --> 00:17:16,060 because he's a retired US Air Force pilot and currently works for Delta. 365 00:17:16,060 --> 00:17:20,860 I had been chatting with this guy that I met on Tinder, 366 00:17:20,860 --> 00:17:23,500 and we had been talking for, like, a couple of months 367 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:23,740 and we had been talking about, like, wanting to meet. 368 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:25,340 about, like, wanting to meet. 369 00:17:25,340 --> 00:17:29,220 You know, I was 21, 370 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:33,220 um...and, you know, I wasn't making any money. 371 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:37,740 I was young and in a very vulnerable position. 372 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:40,580 I didn't feel like I myself had a lot to offer, 373 00:17:40,580 --> 00:17:45,140 so, this, like, older guy kind of being into me, it was attractive. 374 00:17:46,020 --> 00:17:52,340 And we met and we, like, went out on a date. 375 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:54,220 I wouldn't really say it was much of a date. 376 00:17:54,220 --> 00:17:57,780 He, like, picked me up and we went to, like, a hotel room 377 00:17:57,780 --> 00:17:58,020 He, like, picked me up and slept together. 378 00:17:58,020 --> 00:17:59,300 and slept together. 379 00:17:59,300 --> 00:17:59,540 And the next morning and slept together. 380 00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:03,300 And the next morning he sent me a text. 381 00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:09,580 He asked me if I was interested in working with him on webcam. 382 00:18:09,580 --> 00:18:13,580 I kind of knew of webcam, but not really. 383 00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:20,820 And I instantly was like, "No." Like, "I don't want to do it. 384 00:18:20,820 --> 00:18:22,540 "I have no interest in this." 385 00:18:22,540 --> 00:18:24,580 Up until that first mention of webcam, 386 00:18:24,580 --> 00:18:24,820 Up until that first mention he had portrayed himself as someone 387 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:26,060 he had portrayed himself as someone 388 00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:26,300 who was romantically interested he had portrayed himself as someone 389 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:27,540 who was romantically interested in you? 390 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:27,780 who was romantically interested Absolutely. Yeah. 391 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:29,260 Absolutely. Yeah. 392 00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:31,860 And, in your mind, this was a date, a relationship? 393 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:32,100 And, in your mind, this was a date, Yeah, it was. 394 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:33,580 Yeah, it was. 395 00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:35,020 And I continued seeing this guy. 396 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:38,860 Like, we chatted all the time and he was really sweet 397 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:42,140 and just kind of like a nice person to have in my life. 398 00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:44,580 And if I would complain about anything in my life, 399 00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:47,980 he'd be like, "Well, I have a solution for you." 400 00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:01,300 Thousands of miles away in Buenos Aires 401 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:04,460 a woman we are calling Maria has a similar story. 402 00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:08,540 She met the man who she says groomed her when she was 20. 403 00:20:20,660 --> 00:20:23,740 I think at that time in my life I just wanted, like, security 404 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:23,980 I think at that time in my life and someone to be there for me, 405 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:25,740 and someone to be there for me, 406 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:27,980 and here was this guy. 407 00:20:27,980 --> 00:20:28,220 And I had some things and here was this guy. 408 00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:30,980 And I had some things happen in my life, 409 00:20:30,980 --> 00:20:31,220 And I had some things like, I lost my job 410 00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:32,860 like, I lost my job 411 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:36,980 and I was like, "OK, I think I might, like, be interested 412 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:39,220 "in, like, webcamming." 413 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:44,020 And do you realise now that that was his intention all along? 414 00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:48,740 Both of these women's alleged groomers 415 00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:52,980 used the same method to gradually manipulate them into webcam. 416 00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:56,140 It all began with the same question that Tate had asked me. 417 00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:04,700 He also asked me to bring him, like, 418 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:06,900 a unique kind of chocolate on the date, 419 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,260 which was, like, a bit weird. 420 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:10,940 Asking for chocolate 421 00:21:10,940 --> 00:21:15,460 is the first test to see how susceptible a person is to control. 422 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:18,940 It's important. 423 00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:21,940 I'm telling you it's a very important element, that control, 424 00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:24,020 because once the money starts pouring in, 425 00:21:24,020 --> 00:21:25,940 the girls will be like, "What the fuck do I need this dude for?" 426 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:26,180 the girls will be like, "What And they will leave 427 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:27,460 And they will leave 428 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,940 if you don't have every aspect under control. 429 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,140 I felt like I had no control over my life. 430 00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:45,260 He has control of everything, so, is it, like, worth it to leave? 431 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,420 There's no such thing as a perfect woman. 432 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:05,100 If you want a woman who's perfect for you, 433 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,620 you must build her to be perfect for you. 434 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,580 He would be like, "I have a mission for you." 435 00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:25,060 He'd asked me to, like, clean his apartment. 436 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:33,420 That kind of humbling bullshit. That's what you want. 437 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:34,580 THAT'S what you want. 438 00:22:40,140 --> 00:22:43,380 You just have to be like, "OK, I need a coffee. Go make me a coffee." 439 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:56,420 When I, like, WOULD do well, I was, like, rewarded. 440 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:04,780 Women want attention. 441 00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:05,020 You're going to reward them Women want attention. 442 00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:07,300 You're going to reward them for their good work with attention. 443 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,220 Easiest way to give a girl attention is to fuck them. 444 00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:09,460 Easiest way to give a girl attention Sex was my reward. 445 00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:12,460 Sex was my reward. 446 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:22,260 He would, like, whisper things about, like, money into my ear. 447 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,100 If you fucked her, good, sit down with her and say, 448 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:30,900 "Look, we're gonna get fucking rich together." 449 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:36,460 The way he approached me with beginning webcam was... 450 00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:42,900 .."You make a ton of money. Like, we'll do this together." 451 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:45,220 You cannot do a business relationship with a female. 452 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:45,460 You cannot do a business It doesn't work. 453 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:46,300 It doesn't work. 454 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:46,500 That's when the pimpin' starts. It doesn't work. 455 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,780 That's when the pimpin' starts. 456 00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:02,820 I'd keep 80% of the money they made. So, they basically worked for free. 457 00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:04,060 They worked for my love and attention. 458 00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:08,380 I was giving 80% away. 459 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:12,100 In total, like, $95,000. 460 00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:19,260 If I wasn't doing well, things would become more violent. 461 00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:22,620 A woman must learn that her man is fuckin' an iron mountain, 462 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,380 and the easiest path is to obey. 463 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:27,180 Any other kind of resistance simply doesn't work. 464 00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:36,180 There was a night that I had gone over there 465 00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:36,420 There was a night and as soon as I walked in the door 466 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:38,820 and as soon as I walked in the door 467 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:40,300 he, like, pushed me to my knees 468 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:40,540 and, like, smacked me really hard he, like, pushed me to my knees 469 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:42,780 and, like, smacked me really hard across the face. 470 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,980 He would, like, bruise me, like, pretty badly, 471 00:24:51,980 --> 00:24:53,620 kind of marking his territory. 472 00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:59,660 And that's what I teach in my course. 473 00:24:59,660 --> 00:25:01,300 Yeah, getting the girl and fucking the girl 474 00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:01,540 Yeah, getting the girl is the first 10% of the game. and fucking the girl 475 00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:03,460 is the first 10% of the game. 476 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:05,500 Having a girl tattoo your name on her 477 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:05,740 Having a girl tattoo your name on her is the other 90%. 478 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,220 is the other 90%. 479 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:24,820 He wanted me to tattoo his name on me. 480 00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:37,420 The reason I decided to webcam 481 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:39,620 was because I liked this guy 482 00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:42,700 and I had developed a bit of trust for him. 483 00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:56,100 We've managed to speak to someone 484 00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:58,340 who claims to have previously been the head 485 00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:01,300 of sales and marketing of the War Room. 486 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:02,140 Hi. 487 00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:04,380 Thanks for coming all the way out. 488 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:09,020 Eli spent two years as a member of the War Room, 489 00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:09,260 Eli spent two years working closely with Tate, 490 00:26:09,260 --> 00:26:10,540 working closely with Tate, 491 00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:14,180 but recently left after clashing with its leadership. 492 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:17,100 So, what first appealed to you about the War Room? 493 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,220 I had never really consumed any 'manosphere', 494 00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:19,460 any, like, 'red pill' stuff online I had never really consumed any 'manosphere', 495 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:21,260 any, like, 'red pill' stuff online 496 00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:21,500 other than Tate - really, he was any, like, 'red pill' stuff online 497 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:24,940 other than Tate - really, he was the first person that I came across, 498 00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:25,180 other than Tate - really, he was the first person that I came across, and I watched all of his videos 499 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:26,620 and I watched all of his videos 500 00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:29,780 and I joined the War Room in September 2020. 501 00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:33,460 I was one of those vulnerable men that fell to the marketing, 502 00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:35,780 and I helped propagate that 503 00:26:35,780 --> 00:26:39,260 with my sales and marketing efforts on his team, right? 504 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:39,500 with my sales and marketing efforts So, how did you help propagate that? 505 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,340 So, how did you help propagate that? 506 00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:43,060 People who would sell the War Room, 507 00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:44,860 we played into the insecurities of men, 508 00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:49,100 meaning that when you saw Tate with a Bugatti, for example, 509 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,340 or you saw Tate as a four-time kickboxing world champion, 510 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:55,420 he made you believe that that was the ideal that you needed to become 511 00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:55,660 he made you believe that that was in order to get women in your life. 512 00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,380 in order to get women in your life. 513 00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:59,020 When you talk about women, 514 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:00,780 are you talking about just sleeping with women 515 00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:02,900 or establishing a relationship? No, no, no. Absolutely not. 516 00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:03,140 or establishing a relationship? The War Room is all about 517 00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:04,420 The War Room is all about 518 00:27:04,420 --> 00:27:04,660 you getting women The War Room is all about 519 00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:07,260 you getting women that serve you in your life, 520 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:09,340 that benefit... What do you mean "serve you"? 521 00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:09,580 that benefit... So, the War Room has a methodology 522 00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:11,020 So, the War Room has a methodology 523 00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:11,260 called 'the PhD', So, the War Room has a methodology 524 00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:12,980 called 'the PhD', the Pimping Hoes Degree, 525 00:27:12,980 --> 00:27:14,580 although it was removed from our website 526 00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,900 and although it's no longer officially called that, 527 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:22,100 which is find a woman that's attracted to you 528 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:23,780 and, you know, obviously sleep with her 529 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:27,340 and eventually you put her through a sort of Pavlovian conditioning 530 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,500 where, for her to get your attention, 531 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:31,740 she has to complete tasks, then bigger tasks, then bigger tasks. 532 00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:34,900 And eventually her whole world becomes you 533 00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:35,140 And eventually and she has nothing else except you 534 00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:36,900 and she has nothing else except you 535 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:40,060 and she completely serves you completely. 536 00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:42,380 Quote-unquote, you could call it a 'slave'. 537 00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:42,620 Quote-unquote, She has to do more things for you, 538 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:44,300 She has to do more things for you, 539 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,980 whether it's, you know, wash the dishes, do errands for you 540 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:49,940 or eventually do OnlyFans webcam, 541 00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:52,060 which was encouraged inside of the War Room. 542 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:52,300 which was encouraged A lot of people might say 543 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:53,780 A lot of people might say 544 00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:54,020 that to teach men A lot of people might say 545 00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:57,460 that to teach men to coerce and manipulate women, 546 00:27:57,460 --> 00:28:00,020 to use Pavlovian conditioning, like you said, 547 00:28:00,020 --> 00:28:00,260 to use Pavlovian conditioning, into working in the sex trade 548 00:28:00,260 --> 00:28:03,180 into working in the sex trade 549 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:06,340 is immoral and wrong. 550 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:08,900 I would never do it personally. I've never done it personally. 551 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,620 But that was a big part of what the War Room did. 552 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:11,860 But that was a big part It was. 553 00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:13,580 It was. 554 00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:13,820 Do you regret It was. 555 00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:15,860 Do you regret that you played a part in it? 556 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:16,100 Do you regret I don't regret it. 557 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:17,380 I don't regret it. 558 00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:20,900 Why would I feel guilty of something that I had no control over? 559 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:23,820 Well, you were part of the marketing team, right? 560 00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:26,620 Yeah. Absolutely. But, during that time, I was brainwashed. 561 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:29,180 All your friends are inside the War Room. 562 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:30,740 All of your connections are inside the War Room. 563 00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:33,260 All of your knowledge you consume every day is inside of the War Room. 564 00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:36,820 And they actually encourage you to cut off the surroundings 565 00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:38,220 in your real life. 566 00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:40,620 And you start cutting off friends. 567 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:43,500 You cut off, you know, old co-workers. 568 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,860 Did they encourage that? They encouraged you. 569 00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:47,580 And, actually, let me tell you a very scary thing. 570 00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:52,700 One of the members inside the War Room, Iggy Semmelweis, 571 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:52,940 One of the members inside he goes under a few different names, 572 00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:55,180 he goes under a few different names, 573 00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:58,460 tells you that your new brothers inside of the War Room 574 00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:58,700 tells you that your new brothers are your new life. 575 00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:59,940 are your new life. 576 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:03,380 Everyone else before that - it doesn't matter. 577 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:06,700 "We have here the truth of life, and if you want to follow us, 578 00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,580 "you have to," quote-unquote, "kill your parents symbolically 579 00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:12,940 "because they may not agree with the things that you are learning here, 580 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:15,940 "but it will impede you from moving forward inside of our organisation 581 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:16,180 "but it will impede you from moving "if you do not kill your parents." 582 00:29:16,180 --> 00:29:17,420 "if you do not kill your parents." 583 00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:18,900 And I thought that was a very scary thing. 584 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:21,180 But at the moment I actually believed it, believe it or not. 585 00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:22,420 I was so brainwashed. 586 00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:26,220 The War Room and the events, they literally describe it as a cult. 587 00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:26,460 The War Room and the events, they Semmelweis, Iggy, he basically said, 588 00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:28,700 Semmelweis, Iggy, he basically said, 589 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,100 "Let's not kid ourselves - this is a cult." 590 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:31,340 "Let's not kid ourselves - Who's in charge? 591 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:32,660 Who's in charge? 592 00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,260 Of the War Room? 593 00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:37,780 Iggy is at the top, yeah. 594 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:40,260 But he definitely...when you spoke to him, he definitely had an agenda. 595 00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:45,420 He definitely influenced you in ways that were not of your own thinking. 596 00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:45,660 He definitely influenced you in ways How do you mean? 597 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:47,020 How do you mean? 598 00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:49,620 He literally would tell me that, "I went inside of your brain 599 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:49,860 He literally would tell me that, "and I rearranged things. 600 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,100 "and I rearranged things. 601 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:51,340 "I went in the attic and I started "and I rearranged things. 602 00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:53,220 "I went in the attic and I started moving the furniture around." 603 00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:53,460 "I went in the attic and I started That's how he would describe it. 604 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:54,500 That's how he would describe it. 605 00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:57,660 So, he was very good at reprogramming brains. 606 00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:59,380 And what's his agenda? 607 00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:02,220 I couldn't really tell you exactly what the agenda would be 608 00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:05,620 other than, um...they're gonna take over the world, I guess. 609 00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:07,980 It's very, very grand aspirations. 610 00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:12,260 So, according to Eli, the War Room is a cult 611 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:15,540 that, while not all members will act on this, teaches men to groom women 612 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:19,620 and is run by a mysterious man named Iggy Semmelweis. 613 00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:27,020 And Andrew Tate is the secret weapon Iggy uses to market that cult. 614 00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:28,260 It works like this - 615 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:28,460 Tate has millions of followers It works like this - 616 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,060 Tate has millions of followers 617 00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:32,540 on Twitter and other social-media platforms. 618 00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:36,060 He uses that following to market his app, The Real World. 619 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:39,380 200,000 of these followers filter into the app, 620 00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:42,820 where they are then sold courses, pushing them to the War Room. 621 00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:43,100 where they are then sold courses, pushing them to the War Room. This final tier consists of hundreds of Tate's most ardent followers, 622 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,980 This final tier consists of hundreds of Tate's most ardent followers, 623 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:47,220 This final tier consists of hundreds but once they're in 624 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:48,340 but once they're in 625 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:53,140 they find not just Tate but Iggy Semmelweis lying in wait. 626 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:55,420 So, who is he? 627 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:57,020 Well, we've managed to find out 628 00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:59,500 is that Iggy's real name is Miles Sonkin. 629 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,220 He grew up in Chicago, 630 00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:02,620 and later studied hypnosis 631 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:05,100 as well as something called linguistic programming, 632 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,300 which is based on the unverified belief 633 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:08,980 that you can control someone's actions 634 00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:11,540 by your choice of words and tone of speech. 635 00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:11,780 by your choice of words But Iggy isn't his first alias. 636 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,620 But Iggy isn't his first alias. 637 00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:13,860 In the '90s he lived in Japan But Iggy isn't his first alias. 638 00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:16,500 In the '90s he lived in Japan under the name Douglas Hall, 639 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,180 the self-proclaimed 'greatest pickup artist in the world'. 640 00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:23,300 He's sold courses teaching Western men to seduce Japanese women. 641 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:24,940 And if you fast-forward to late 2018 642 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:26,540 we get Tate and Iggy 643 00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:29,220 interacting publicly for the first time on Twitter. 644 00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:32,380 Soon after, Tate begins selling his own courses, 645 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:35,540 and in 2019 the War Room is established. 646 00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:35,780 and in 2019 In the War Room's chat logs from 2019 647 00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:37,700 In the War Room's chat logs from 2019 648 00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:39,180 Iggy greets every new member. 649 00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:39,420 He sends them a document Iggy greets every new member. 650 00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:41,860 He sends them a document called The Survival Scrolls, 651 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:46,180 which appears to be a manifesto outlining the War Room's agenda. 652 00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:49,700 (READS) "Please read the following books 653 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:50,900 "in the exact order they are listed. 654 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:51,140 "in the exact order "They build upon each other. 655 00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:52,820 "They build upon each other. 656 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:54,580 "The Predatory Female. 657 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,900 "How To Dump Your Wife. 658 00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,940 "Pimpology - The 48 Laws Of The Game. 659 00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:00,180 "They train you in setting up The Female Sexual Slavery Frames. "Pimpology - The 48 Laws Of The Game. 660 00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:05,260 "They train you in setting up The Female Sexual Slavery Frames. 661 00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:08,540 "Gs are men of purpose, men of will and men of power 662 00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:09,820 "that the War Room builds. 663 00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:12,380 "All women are merely dragons chasing them. 664 00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:12,620 "Gs understand this reality chasing them. 665 00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:13,860 "Gs understand this reality 666 00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:14,100 "Gs understand this reality to bend the dragons to their will 667 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,620 "and use their power of purpose to bend the dragons to their will 668 00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:21,220 "and get the dragons giving over their hoards of treasure 669 00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:24,620 "while never letting the dragons catch them." 670 00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:24,900 "while never letting the dragons catch them." It's not just about sexual exploitation. 671 00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,340 It's not just about sexual exploitation. 672 00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:27,580 It's not just about This is about 673 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:28,900 This is about 674 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:29,100 financially exploiting women. This is about 675 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,020 financially exploiting women. 676 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:31,260 It's about turning them into slaves financially exploiting women. 677 00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:35,140 It's about turning them into slaves that you can profit from. 678 00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:35,380 It's about turning them into slaves that you can profit from. And not just through webcam, 679 00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:36,660 And not just through webcam, 680 00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:38,460 through a number of means, it seems. 681 00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:41,260 (READS) "Seek out women with their own businesses. 682 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:42,580 "Seek out women with family money. 683 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,500 "Seek out women who are willing to give you their paycheque 684 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:45,740 "Seek out women who are willing "to use as you see fit." 685 00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:47,700 "to use as you see fit." 686 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,700 There's only one thing left to do - 687 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,380 find Iggy. 688 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:57,580 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) 689 00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:03,420 So, we've just found an audio file in the chat logs 690 00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:07,980 that appears to have Iggy addressing a War Room event, 691 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:09,820 so, we're going to give it a listen. 692 00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:26,180 We're now on our way to Koreatown, LA, 693 00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:26,420 We're now on our way to Koreatown, LA, to stake out the apartment. 694 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:27,700 to stake out the apartment. 695 00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:32,300 OK. This is Iggy's road right now. 696 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:36,220 (INDICATOR CLICKS) 697 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:44,180 OK. It doesn't look like any of the houses here are expensive. 698 00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:47,220 For the kind of grand master priest of the War Room, 699 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:49,740 you'd expect it to be a little fancier. 700 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,060 Where? PRODUCER: Yeah, just on the right. 701 00:34:56,660 --> 00:35:01,580 Kind of nervous because, you know, what if we actually do find him... 702 00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:06,180 ..what is his reaction going to be? 703 00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:09,500 Will he cast a spell on us? 704 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:11,300 (DIRECTOR SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 705 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:12,780 Right here, yeah? 706 00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:13,020 Is this good right here? Right here, yeah? 707 00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:15,820 Is this good right here? That's pretty good, yeah. 708 00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:27,860 OK. Let me go and have a look. 709 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:32,580 We're just trying to check if... 710 00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:35,940 ..the apartment number we have for Iggy is correct. 711 00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:37,740 Our producer, Tashi, is going to go there 712 00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:40,100 because he recognises what I look like. 713 00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:50,180 Guys, he's definitely... (BLEEPING) 714 00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:53,460 ..because I went on to the address book on the door. 715 00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:53,740 ..because I went on to the address book on the door. Miles Sonkin - apartment... (BLEEPING). 716 00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:56,060 Miles Sonkin - apartment... (BLEEPING). 717 00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:57,620 Oh, nice. OK. 718 00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:59,180 I think we wait for a bit. 719 00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:12,380 Despite being central to the War Room, writing its reading list 720 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,860 and helping create its methods for grooming women, 721 00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:17,380 Iggy has managed to dodge accountability 722 00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:19,860 by remaining in the shadows. 723 00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:22,220 But now, for the first time, 724 00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:24,540 the master of spells and shadows 725 00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:29,180 will at least have to face questions about his role in all of this. 726 00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:33,700 Oh, fuck, there he is. There he is. He's right there. 727 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:33,940 Oh, fuck, there he is. There he is. I just saw him come out. 728 00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:35,220 I just saw him come out. 729 00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:36,900 Put your camera down. Put your camera down. 730 00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:39,340 He's walking away. He's walking away. 731 00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:41,860 Yeah, we need to go and park at the end of the road. 732 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:44,740 Matt, let's go? 733 00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:49,260 Hi! Iggy Semmelweis? 734 00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:49,500 Are you training people Hi! Iggy Semmelweis? 735 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,100 Are you training people in the War Room how to enslave women? 736 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:53,340 Are you training people Do you run the War Room? 737 00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:55,020 Do you run the War Room? 738 00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:56,700 We've seen chat-room evidence 739 00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:56,940 that you're training men We've seen chat-room evidence 740 00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:58,820 that you're training men how to enslave women. 741 00:36:58,820 --> 00:36:59,060 that you're training men Do you care to comment on that? 742 00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:00,340 Do you care to comment on that? 743 00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:04,020 It looks like from the evidence that we've seen 744 00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:07,100 that you're instructing men how to enslave and manipulate women 745 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:07,340 that you're instructing men and coerce them into webcam. 746 00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:09,220 and coerce them into webcam. 747 00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:10,900 You have no comment on that at all? 748 00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:14,940 How long are we going to walk for before you answer me? 749 00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:24,100 We thought Iggy would go back inside, jump in a car 750 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,340 or go somewhere where we couldn't follow him. 751 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:30,020 But he appears intent on walking the entire breadth of Koreatown. 752 00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:33,420 You have nothing to say to these allegations? 753 00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:37,940 Iggy, we've spoken to several women 754 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:42,540 who allege that members of the War Room abused them, 755 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:46,100 coerced them, were physically violent to them. 756 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,100 As the grand high priest of the War Room, 757 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,620 don't you have anything to say about that? 758 00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:54,500 You don't teach men how to get women to fall in love with them, 759 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,780 sleep with them and then coerce them into webcam? 760 00:37:56,780 --> 00:38:01,340 You've used the exact phrase 'female sexual slavery'. What does that mean? 761 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:03,620 What is it that you saw in Andrew 762 00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:05,780 that made you think he was the perfect person 763 00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:06,020 that made you think to front this whole operation? 764 00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:08,260 to front this whole operation? 765 00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:13,220 Are you not worried about these allegations? 766 00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:15,980 You've nothing to say? 767 00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:19,180 You don't want to defend yourself against these allegations at all? 768 00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:22,780 Well... 769 00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:27,100 ..it looks like Iggy Semmelweis, AKA Miles Sonkin, 770 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:27,340 ..it looks like Iggy Semmelweis, doesn't want to talk to us at all. 771 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:29,060 doesn't want to talk to us at all. 772 00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:46,660 Hi. 773 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:51,980 We're a journalist from the BBC. 774 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:53,660 We're actually investigating this man 775 00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:53,900 We're actually for running a... 776 00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:55,820 for running a... 777 00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:01,180 ..what appears to be an organisation that teaches men how to coerce women. 778 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:06,500 Does he come here a lot? Yeah? And you got the vibe? 779 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:07,820 Is he always bringing different women? 780 00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:11,500 You thought he was a pimp? 781 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:14,780 OK. 782 00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:17,180 Yeah. Of course. 783 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:19,660 Thanks for talking to us. Have a good one. 784 00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:20,940 (CHUCKLES) 785 00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:25,660 We've given a chance to Iggy 786 00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:27,860 to respond to the very serious allegations 787 00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:29,220 that people are making to him, 788 00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:30,700 including those of multiple women 789 00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,620 who accuse him of running an organisation 790 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:37,020 that trained men how to coerce them, manipulate them, 791 00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:40,340 and some of these men, they say, also physically abused them. 792 00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:43,340 We've given him a chance to respond. He has nothing to say. 793 00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:50,820 Matt, I think Iggy's just tweeted about you. 794 00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:51,060 Matt, I think About me? 795 00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:52,340 About me? 796 00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:01,860 (SCOFFS) 797 00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:07,700 (READS) "Matt A Shea and his cameraman 798 00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:09,300 "show up uninvited at my home, 799 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,420 "follow me for half an hour as I walk, ask me silly questions, 800 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,700 "but never offer me a box of chocolates. 801 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:14,940 "but never offer me "So, I say nothing. 802 00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:16,260 "So, I say nothing. 803 00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:16,500 "Now Matt will never know who the "So, I say nothing. 804 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,700 "Now Matt will never know who the real mastermind of the War Room is. 805 00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:19,940 "Now Matt will never know who the "Matt fucked up again." 806 00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:22,180 "Matt fucked up again." 807 00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:25,100 I mean, it's pretty obvious it's you. (LAUGHS) 808 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,740 Who's the real mastermind of the War Room? 809 00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:30,860 ARCHIVE REPORTER: Prosecutors in Romania have filed formal charges 810 00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:35,020 against the controversial influencer Andrew Tate. 811 00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:37,020 The indictment, deposited with the Bucharest court, 812 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:37,260 The indictment, says that at the beginning of 2021 813 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:39,620 says that at the beginning of 2021 814 00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:42,580 the four defendants formed an organised criminal group 815 00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:44,340 to commit human trafficking in Romania 816 00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:49,100 but also in other countries such as the United States and Britain. 817 00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:51,900 On 21 June 818 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:52,140 Tate was formally charged On 21 June 819 00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:54,660 Tate was formally charged with human trafficking and rape. 820 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,540 But we still have questions about the War Room, 821 00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:57,780 But we still have questions and having to attend court 822 00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:59,020 and having to attend court 823 00:40:59,020 --> 00:40:59,260 means Tate won't be able and having to attend court 824 00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:01,620 means Tate won't be able to hide behind his gates. 825 00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:06,860 Is the War Room an international grooming cult, Andrew? 826 00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:09,540 Because I've spoken to three women now who say that it is. 827 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:12,580 Do you have chocolates? I've spoken to three women... 828 00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:14,540 Do you have chocolates? I've spoken to three women 829 00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:18,220 who say that they've been trained by senior members of the War Room 830 00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:18,460 who say that they've been trained to groom them and abuse them. 831 00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:20,700 to groom them and abuse them. 832 00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:22,300 Do they have chocolates? 833 00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:22,540 I don't think he has that. Do they have chocolates? 834 00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:23,780 I don't think he has that. So, is the War Room 835 00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:25,300 an international grooming cult of some kind? 836 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,940 I don't think he can afford anything. 837 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:28,380 (OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 838 00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:30,980 Tate has managed to appeal to millions of young men 839 00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:31,220 Tate has managed to appeal by exploiting their insecurities. 840 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:33,300 by exploiting their insecurities. 841 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:34,580 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK) 842 00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:37,220 Once in his orbit, these same young men 843 00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:39,740 are encouraged to buy more and more courses, 844 00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:41,500 where their final destination 845 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:41,740 is a cult that teaches men how to turn women into slaves. where their final destination 846 00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:45,260 is a cult that teaches men how to turn women into slaves. 847 00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:45,500 is a cult that teaches men What we've discovered 848 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:46,740 What we've discovered 849 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:46,980 is Iggy took What we've discovered Tate's misogynistic persona 850 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:50,060 is Iggy took Tate's misogynistic persona 851 00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,060 and used it to create a global network 852 00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:52,300 and used it with scores of potential victims. 853 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,300 with scores of potential victims. 854 00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,380 Tate's fame is being used to sell a method of abuse 855 00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:59,860 to men around the world. 856 00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:02,580 But, with his fans now numbering in the tens of millions, 857 00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:05,100 how many of them will this message appeal to? 858 00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:10,100 MEN: (CHANT) Free top G! Free top G! 859 00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,100 Free top G! 860 00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,940 Captions by Red Bee Media 861 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,140 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation