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(EXCITED CHATTER)
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(EXCITED CHATTER)
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MATT SHEA: Few people
have become as popular, influential
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MATT SHEA: Few people
have become as popular, influential
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and seemingly wealthy
in such a short space of time
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and seemingly wealthy
in such a short space of time
as the influencer Andrew Tate.
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as the influencer Andrew Tate.
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In December 2022
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Tate was arrested in Romania,
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accused of rape
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and of grooming women into working
accused of rape
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and of grooming women into working
for him as online sex workers.
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The world is now focused
on his upcoming trial.
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But how did Tate become so infamous
in such a short space of time?
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Surely he didn't do it alone.
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For two years I've been investigating
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his secretive society,
the War Room...
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his secretive society,
The War Room is a whirlpool.
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The War Room is a whirlpool.
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Once you're in, you're in,
The War Room is a whirlpool.
and it's hard to get out.
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Once you're in, you're in,
and it's hard to get out.
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..speaking to women
who say they were targeted
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..speaking to women
by this shadowy organisation...
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by this shadowy organisation...
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As soon as I walked in the door,
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he, like, pushed me to my knees
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and, like, smacked me really hard
across the face.
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..and whistleblowers
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who are now ready to reveal
what is really going on.
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"Let's not kid ourselves -
this is a cult."
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Who's in charge?
Of the War Room?
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Could someone else
be behind the cult of Andrew Tate?
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Could someone else
Fuck, there he is. There he is. He's
be behind the cult of Andrew Tate?
right there. I just saw him come out.
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Fuck, there he is. There he is. He's
right there. I just saw him come out.
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Dude, just go, just go.
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I want to ask you
Dude, just go, just go.
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I want to ask you
a couple questions.
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I first visited Tate's compound
in August 2022...
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My best friends.
Hello. Hello.
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Great to meet you, man.
Good to see you.
Hello. Hello.
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Great to meet you, man.
Good to see you.
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Great to meet you, man.
Good to see you.
..where I went inside his so-called
secret society, the War Room.
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..where I went inside his so-called
secret society, the War Room.
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Come here, guys,
come up to the front.
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They told me the War Room
was all about brotherhood,
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self-improvement
and positive masculinity.
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But I felt something more
was happening
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when, through a hotel window,
But I felt something more
I saw a group of men
was happening
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when, through a hotel window,
I saw a group of men
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when, through a hotel window,
photographing naked women.
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photographing naked women.
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You can currently join
for $8,000 a year,
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which gets you access
to a telegram group
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and the option
to spend even more money
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by buying exclusive courses and
attending events around the world.
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The War Room is led by a group
of so-called 'generals'.
by buying exclusive courses and
attending events around the world.
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The War Room is led by a group
of so-called 'generals'.
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The most famous
are his brother Tristan,
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'Sartorial Shooter' -
his head of security and operations,
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Jonathan the 'money pilot',
his head of security and operations,
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Jonathan the 'money pilot',
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and Iggy Semmelweis, the mysterious
self-proclaimed 'wizard'.
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(BANGS)
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ARCHIVE REPORTER:
The online influencer Andrew Tate
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ARCHIVE REPORTER:
has been detained in Romania
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has been detained in Romania
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as part of a human trafficking
has been detained in Romania
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as part of a human trafficking
and rape investigation.
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Mr Tate was arrested,
as was his brother Tristan.
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Mr Tate was arrested,
On 29 December 2022
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On 29 December 2022
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Tate was arrested
On 29 December 2022
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Tate was arrested
by Romanian authorities,
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accused of manipulating women
into webcam sex work.
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It's alleged that he used
the 'loverboy' method
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as part of his recruitment process.
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This is a type of grooming
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in which a person presents themselves
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as romantically interested
in which a person presents themselves
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as romantically interested
in someone,
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as romantically interested
promising them a relationship
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promising them a relationship
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but with the sole purpose
of manipulating them into sex work.
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The authorities
are focusing their investigation
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on Andrew Tate and his brother,
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but what I'm interested in
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is what's going on at the top level
of his organisation.
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What is happening
inside the War Room?
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To find out
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I've enlisted the help of someone
To find out
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I've enlisted the help of someone
who says he can show me
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what the organisation's
real purpose is.
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So, as well as hundreds of thousands
of Andrew Tate fans,
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one of the things that's happening
with the internet and Andrew Tate
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is the rise
of these kind of internet sleuths
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who are just obsessed
with investigating Andrew Tate.
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But the most prolific one by far
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is a man who goes by the name
of CrabCrawler on Twitter,
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is a man who goes by the name
and he has access, he says,
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and he has access, he says,
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to the internal chat logs
of Andrew Tate's War Room.
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So, we've come to Cleveland
to pay him a visit.
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(DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS)
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(KNOCKS)
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Hey there, Matt!
(KNOCKS)
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Hey there, Matt!
Nick, hello!
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Hey there, Matt!
Good to meet you in real life.
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Good to meet you in real life.
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Yeah.
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Beautiful day in Cleveland
to talk about a serious subject.
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CrabCrawler developed a platform as
a hard-right journalist and blogger,
Beautiful day in Cleveland
to talk about a serious subject.
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CrabCrawler developed a platform as
a hard-right journalist and blogger,
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CrabCrawler developed a platform as
a hard-right journalist and blogger,
where he first encountered Tate,
then a rising star of the right,
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where he first encountered Tate,
then a rising star of the right,
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who is going by his former
kickboxing title, CobraTate.
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So, do you consider yourself
part of the kind of right wing?
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Not anymore.
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So, this has actually changed
your kind of political views,
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So, this has actually changed
this whole experience?
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this whole experience?
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It corrected me
this whole experience?
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It corrected me
back towards the centre again.
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It corrected me
But really rattled me the most
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But really rattled me the most
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was the silence
from some right-wing figures
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that really
should have spoken up about this
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and had their horse in this race.
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CrabCrawler claims
he's now a reformed character
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and recently was handed
a treasure trove -
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12,000 pages of encrypted messages
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sent by hundreds of War Room members
over the course of two years.
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And now that I have these chat logs,
these crazy, mind-blowing chat logs,
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I can see how complex this situation
really is beyond the surface.
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I can see how complex this situation
So, what is the War Room?
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So, what is the War Room?
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It's one side of an ultimate irony
in Andrew Tate's business model.
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On one end he exploits
the sexual gratification of men
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On one end he exploits
by putting out webcam girls.
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by putting out webcam girls.
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And on the other end
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he sells
And on the other end
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he sells
the self-improvement formula
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he sells
that promises to make men better.
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that promises to make men better.
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It's a pyramid scheme
with some window dressing.
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At one end of the scale,
for £39 a month,
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you could join
his Hustler's University,
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which promised a path
to making money online.
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Above this were bespoke courses
on topics like chess - £197,
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developing an 'iron mind' - £547,
on topics like chess - £197,
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developing an 'iron mind' - £547,
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and right at the top
his highest-value product -
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membership to Andrew Tate's War Room.
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membership to Andrew Tate's War Room.
Getting into the War Room
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Getting into the War Room
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means you're basically
brought into the school
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means you're basically
to learn to become like Andrew Tate,
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to learn to become like Andrew Tate,
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and that includes the PhD course
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of how he lures women
into becoming camgirls.
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The online course
that CrabCrawler is referring to
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is called 'the PhD',
or 'Pimping Hoes Degree'.
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It has been removed
from Tate's website
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but is a required course
to join the elites in the War Room,
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but is a required course
costing an additional £337.
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costing an additional £337.
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The PhD is taught
by Andrew Tate himself,
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and in private, behind a paywall,
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he says it teaches men a method for
seducing women into a relationship
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he says it teaches men a method for
and then gradually manipulating them
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and then gradually manipulating them
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into working for you
in online sex work.
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The first thing that's clear
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from looking at these encrypted
War Room communications
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is that Tate and the generals are
pushing the PhD course to members.
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Andrew Tate says
you have to add the PhD program
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Andrew Tate says
to convert girls to work.
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to convert girls to work.
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(READS) "PhD is essential.
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"Essential.
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"Cam course alone won't do it."
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It's difficult to know
when members are simply bragging,
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It's difficult to know
but these encrypted messages
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but these encrypted messages
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show the men in the War Room
feeding back to Tate and the generals
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how they were putting into action
the teachings from the PhD course.
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They call this 'showing receipts'.
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Men also brag about
their control over women
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by sharing examples
of the punishments
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by sharing examples
they've meted out on them.
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they've meted out on them.
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They're eager to show off
to other members
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when their financial exploitation of
women has produced lucrative results.
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It's a PhD receipt.
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That's the new whip.
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That's the whip that my girl bought
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for me, registered in my name.
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All possible because of the PhD.
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So, CrabCrawler has just handed us
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almost 12,000 pages
So, CrabCrawler has just handed us
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almost 12,000 pages
of internal War Room telegram chats.
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It's going to take a while
to go through,
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but this is the War Room members
talking unfiltered
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when they don't think
anyone's listening in.
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And from these conversations
it seems pretty clear
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that the War Room is about a lot more
than just positive masculinity.
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(BIRDS TWITTER)
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After verifying the authenticity
of these messages
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by speaking to the War Room insider
who leaked them to CrabCrawler,
After verifying the authenticity
of these messages
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by speaking to the War Room insider
who leaked them to CrabCrawler,
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we begin to go through them in detail
who leaked them to CrabCrawler,
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we begin to go through them in detail
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we begin to go through them in detail
and start to notice something.
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and start to notice something.
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The person who appears to push the
and start to notice something.
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The person who appears to push the
PhD course most frequently to members
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is a War Room general
and self-proclaimed 'wizard'
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called Iggy Semmelweis.
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From his messages,
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manipulating women into sex work
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seems central
to the War Room's agenda.
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It's well known that Tate himself
is under investigation
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for using the 'loverboy' method
to coerce women into sex work,
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for using the 'loverboy' method
but the evidence suggests
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but the evidence suggests
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that it isn't just Tate
allegedly using this method.
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The War Room generals
are actively teaching it to members,
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making this potentially much wider
than we thought.
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ARCHIVE REPORTER: A court in Romania
has agreed to allow
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the controversial
social-media influencer Andrew Tate
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to leave prison
and move into house arrest.
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On March 31
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the Tate brothers win a court appeal
to be released under house arrest
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while the authorities
continue their investigation.
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This means we may have a chance
to ask him
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if he's the leader
of a global grooming organisation.
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Freedom at last.
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(LAUGHTER, CHEERING, APPLAUSE)
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(PHONE LINE RINGS)
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Andrew, hey.
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Yeah, that's what I...
That's how I like to think of myself.
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Yeah, that's what I...
Look, the main reason I'm calling
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Look, the main reason I'm calling
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is I want to see whether you were up
for doing another interview.
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Because we have a history
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and there are still unanswered
questions that I want to put to you.
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But because of our history...
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I'll check with my superiors whether
I can send you a box of chocolates.
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OK, one quick thing...
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(LINE BLIPS)
OK, one quick thing...
OK.
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(LINE BLIPS)
OK.
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I think he thinks he's even more
the messiah than he was before.
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He said he was the most
relevant person in the world.
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And then there's
this whole power game
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of having to bring him
a box of chocolates.
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It's so bizarre.
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Now I need to find out if I legally
It's so bizarre.
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Now I need to find out if I legally
can bring a box of chocolates
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Now I need to find out if I legally
or whether that's considered bribery.
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or whether that's considered bribery.
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Two days later and I'm in Bucharest
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on my way back
to Andrew Tate's house.
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But this time the circumstances
feel a bit different.
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I really never thought I would
meet this man again in my life.
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Hey. How's it going?
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Hi.
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Is Andrew coming out to meet us?
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Uh...
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Yeah. Who are you?
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Matt from the BBC.
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Alright. I'm going to let him know.
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OK, great. Thank you. Thanks.
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(CAMERAMAN SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
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It's been now 15 minutes.
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OK, so, I spoke with Andrew,
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and you either
give him the chocolate
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and you either
and you'll have an interview
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and you'll have an interview
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or you don't and you don't have.
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So, where's the chocolate?
or you don't and you don't have.
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So, where's the chocolate?
Where's he?
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He's inside.
OK, cool. Yeah, if he comes out...
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You have to
give him the chocolate first.
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No, I'm not gonna
give you the chocolate.
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No, I'm not gonna
If he comes out, I'll give it to him.
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If he comes out, I'll give it to him.
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You're either going to give me
the chocolate,
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I'm going to give him the chocolate,
you'll have an interview.
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If not...
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This is getting quite silly, though.
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Andrew's being accused
of some very serious crimes.
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Andrew's being accused
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He should take this seriously.
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So, are you going
to be giving the chocolates?
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No, I told you I would give it to him
when he comes out.
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Then I told you
that I need the chocolate now.
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You must realise
how silly this looks.
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See you.
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Trolling the press
is Tate's key tactic
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for fighting back against what he
and his fans see as the 'Matrix',
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a global conspiracy
that aims to silence him.
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His fans buy into this,
a global conspiracy
that aims to silence him.
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His fans buy into this,
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sending me scores of death threats
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ranging from "I'm going
to wait outside your office
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"and slit your throat"
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to "there are individuals"
who "will dismember you
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"in front of your parents."
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"in front of your parents."
(PHONE LINE RINGS)
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(PHONE LINE RINGS)
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ANDREW TATE: (ON SPEAKERPHONE)
Yes, Matt.
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ANDREW TATE: (ON SPEAKERPHONE)
Hi, Andrew.
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Hi, Andrew.
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No, I don't want to do
a quick interview.
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I want to do an in-depth,
detailed interview.
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My first interview
under house arrest
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is going to be world-breaking,
it's going to be massive,
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perhaps the biggest
internet interview of the year,
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perhaps the biggest
perhaps of the decade.
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perhaps of the decade.
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I own the culture
and I want to do it properly.
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I want to give you the chance
to give your side of the story.
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That's why I'm here.
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I'm coming...
You're giving ME a chance?!
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Yeah, because...
You're such a nice guy.
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Because, listen, these accusations
are coming out regardless.
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Because, listen, these accusations
Please, Matthew,
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Please, Matthew,
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you're not giving me a chance,
I'M giving YOU a chance.
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I've given you
a very fair parameter.
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It's a parameter
that you can either adhere to
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or you can go home
and fly home economy on Wizz Air.
337
00:15:50,580 --> 00:15:52,940
I don't give a fuck. It's up to you.
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Stop calling me.
You know the parameter. You decide.
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So... So, that's your response
to the accusations?
340
00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:00,500
So... So, that's your response
Mm. OK.
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Mm. OK.
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With Tate refusing to speak to us
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to get any answers about whether the
War Room uses the 'loverboy' method
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to groom women
they want to recruit into webcam,
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we'll need to speak
to those women themselves.
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Our investigation has found
that, as of August 2022,
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there were 434 members
of the War Room all around the world.
348
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We have identified
45 potential victims
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who are mentioned
in CrabCrawler's chat logs.
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Though, with limited information,
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the true number
is likely much higher.
352
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Two of these women
have agreed to meet with us,
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one in Buenos Aires, Argentina,
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and one on the West Coast of the US.
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To protect this woman's identity,
she's going by the alias Amanda.
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Hi.
Hi, Amanda.
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How's it going?
Good. How are you?
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Good to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
359
00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:04,540
Welcome.
Thanks for letting us in.
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00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:07,380
The man Amanda claims
groomed her into online sex work
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is one of the War Room generals.
Jonathan Bowe,
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is one of the War Room generals.
AKA 'the money pilot'
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AKA 'the money pilot'
364
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because he's a retired US Air Force
pilot and currently works for Delta.
365
00:17:16,060 --> 00:17:20,860
I had been chatting
with this guy that I met on Tinder,
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and we had been talking
for, like, a couple of months
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and we had been talking
about, like, wanting to meet.
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about, like, wanting to meet.
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You know, I was 21,
370
00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:33,220
um...and, you know,
I wasn't making any money.
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I was young
and in a very vulnerable position.
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I didn't feel
like I myself had a lot to offer,
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so, this, like, older guy kind
of being into me, it was attractive.
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And we met
and we, like, went out on a date.
375
00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:54,220
I wouldn't really say
it was much of a date.
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He, like, picked me up
and we went to, like, a hotel room
377
00:17:57,780 --> 00:17:58,020
He, like, picked me up
and slept together.
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00:17:58,020 --> 00:17:59,300
and slept together.
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00:17:59,300 --> 00:17:59,540
And the next morning
and slept together.
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00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:03,300
And the next morning
he sent me a text.
381
00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:09,580
He asked me if I was interested
in working with him on webcam.
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00:18:09,580 --> 00:18:13,580
I kind of knew of webcam,
but not really.
383
00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:20,820
And I instantly was like, "No."
Like, "I don't want to do it.
384
00:18:20,820 --> 00:18:22,540
"I have no interest in this."
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00:18:22,540 --> 00:18:24,580
Up until that first mention
of webcam,
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00:18:24,580 --> 00:18:24,820
Up until that first mention
he had portrayed himself as someone
387
00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:26,060
he had portrayed himself as someone
388
00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:26,300
who was romantically interested
he had portrayed himself as someone
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00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:27,540
who was romantically interested
in you?
390
00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:27,780
who was romantically interested
Absolutely. Yeah.
391
00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:29,260
Absolutely. Yeah.
392
00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:31,860
And, in your mind, this was a date,
a relationship?
393
00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:32,100
And, in your mind, this was a date,
Yeah, it was.
394
00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:33,580
Yeah, it was.
395
00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:35,020
And I continued seeing this guy.
396
00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:38,860
Like, we chatted all the time
and he was really sweet
397
00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:42,140
and just kind of like
a nice person to have in my life.
398
00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:44,580
And if I would complain
about anything in my life,
399
00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:47,980
he'd be like,
"Well, I have a solution for you."
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00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:01,300
Thousands of miles away
in Buenos Aires
401
00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:04,460
a woman we are calling Maria
has a similar story.
402
00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:08,540
She met the man who she says
groomed her when she was 20.
403
00:20:20,660 --> 00:20:23,740
I think at that time in my life
I just wanted, like, security
404
00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:23,980
I think at that time in my life
and someone to be there for me,
405
00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:25,740
and someone to be there for me,
406
00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:27,980
and here was this guy.
407
00:20:27,980 --> 00:20:28,220
And I had some things
and here was this guy.
408
00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:30,980
And I had some things
happen in my life,
409
00:20:30,980 --> 00:20:31,220
And I had some things
like, I lost my job
410
00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:32,860
like, I lost my job
411
00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:36,980
and I was like, "OK, I think
I might, like, be interested
412
00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:39,220
"in, like, webcamming."
413
00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:44,020
And do you realise now that
that was his intention all along?
414
00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:48,740
Both of these women's
alleged groomers
415
00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:52,980
used the same method to gradually
manipulate them into webcam.
416
00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:56,140
It all began with the same question
that Tate had asked me.
417
00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:04,700
He also asked me to bring him, like,
418
00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:06,900
a unique kind of chocolate
on the date,
419
00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,260
which was, like, a bit weird.
420
00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:10,940
Asking for chocolate
421
00:21:10,940 --> 00:21:15,460
is the first test to see how
susceptible a person is to control.
422
00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:18,940
It's important.
423
00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:21,940
I'm telling you it's a very
important element, that control,
424
00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:24,020
because once
the money starts pouring in,
425
00:21:24,020 --> 00:21:25,940
the girls will be like, "What
the fuck do I need this dude for?"
426
00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:26,180
the girls will be like, "What
And they will leave
427
00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:27,460
And they will leave
428
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,940
if you don't have every aspect
under control.
429
00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,140
I felt like I had no control
over my life.
430
00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:45,260
He has control of everything,
so, is it, like, worth it to leave?
431
00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,420
There's no such thing
as a perfect woman.
432
00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:05,100
If you want a woman
who's perfect for you,
433
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,620
you must build her
to be perfect for you.
434
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,580
He would be like,
"I have a mission for you."
435
00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:25,060
He'd asked me to, like,
clean his apartment.
436
00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:33,420
That kind of humbling bullshit.
That's what you want.
437
00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:34,580
THAT'S what you want.
438
00:22:40,140 --> 00:22:43,380
You just have to be like, "OK, I
need a coffee. Go make me a coffee."
439
00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:56,420
When I, like, WOULD do well,
I was, like, rewarded.
440
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:04,780
Women want attention.
441
00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:05,020
You're going to reward them
Women want attention.
442
00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:07,300
You're going to reward them
for their good work with attention.
443
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,220
Easiest way to give a girl attention
is to fuck them.
444
00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:09,460
Easiest way to give a girl attention
Sex was my reward.
445
00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:12,460
Sex was my reward.
446
00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:22,260
He would, like, whisper things
about, like, money into my ear.
447
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,100
If you fucked her, good,
sit down with her and say,
448
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:30,900
"Look, we're gonna get fucking rich
together."
449
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:36,460
The way he approached me
with beginning webcam was...
450
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:42,900
.."You make a ton of money.
Like, we'll do this together."
451
00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:45,220
You cannot do a business
relationship with a female.
452
00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:45,460
You cannot do a business
It doesn't work.
453
00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:46,300
It doesn't work.
454
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:46,500
That's when the pimpin' starts.
It doesn't work.
455
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,780
That's when the pimpin' starts.
456
00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:02,820
I'd keep 80% of the money they made.
So, they basically worked for free.
457
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:04,060
They worked
for my love and attention.
458
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:08,380
I was giving 80% away.
459
00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:12,100
In total, like, $95,000.
460
00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:19,260
If I wasn't doing well,
things would become more violent.
461
00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:22,620
A woman must learn that her man
is fuckin' an iron mountain,
462
00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,380
and the easiest path is to obey.
463
00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:27,180
Any other kind of resistance
simply doesn't work.
464
00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:36,180
There was a night
that I had gone over there
465
00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:36,420
There was a night
and as soon as I walked in the door
466
00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:38,820
and as soon as I walked in the door
467
00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:40,300
he, like, pushed me to my knees
468
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:40,540
and, like, smacked me really hard
he, like, pushed me to my knees
469
00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:42,780
and, like, smacked me really hard
across the face.
470
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,980
He would, like, bruise me,
like, pretty badly,
471
00:24:51,980 --> 00:24:53,620
kind of marking his territory.
472
00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:59,660
And that's what I teach
in my course.
473
00:24:59,660 --> 00:25:01,300
Yeah, getting the girl
and fucking the girl
474
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:01,540
Yeah, getting the girl
is the first 10% of the game.
and fucking the girl
475
00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:03,460
is the first 10% of the game.
476
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:05,500
Having a girl
tattoo your name on her
477
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:05,740
Having a girl
tattoo your name on her
is the other 90%.
478
00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,220
is the other 90%.
479
00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:24,820
He wanted me
to tattoo his name on me.
480
00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:37,420
The reason I decided to webcam
481
00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:39,620
was because I liked this guy
482
00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:42,700
and I had developed
a bit of trust for him.
483
00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:56,100
We've managed to speak to someone
484
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:58,340
who claims
to have previously been the head
485
00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:01,300
of sales and marketing
of the War Room.
486
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:02,140
Hi.
487
00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:04,380
Thanks for coming all the way out.
488
00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:09,020
Eli spent two years
as a member of the War Room,
489
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:09,260
Eli spent two years
working closely with Tate,
490
00:26:09,260 --> 00:26:10,540
working closely with Tate,
491
00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:14,180
but recently left
after clashing with its leadership.
492
00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:17,100
So, what first appealed to you
about the War Room?
493
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,220
I had never really consumed
any 'manosphere',
494
00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:19,460
any, like, 'red pill' stuff online
I had never really consumed
any 'manosphere',
495
00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:21,260
any, like, 'red pill' stuff online
496
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:21,500
other than Tate - really, he was
any, like, 'red pill' stuff online
497
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:24,940
other than Tate - really, he was
the first person that I came across,
498
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:25,180
other than Tate - really, he was
the first person that I came across,
and I watched all of his videos
499
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:26,620
and I watched all of his videos
500
00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:29,780
and I joined the War Room
in September 2020.
501
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:33,460
I was one of those vulnerable men
that fell to the marketing,
502
00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:35,780
and I helped propagate that
503
00:26:35,780 --> 00:26:39,260
with my sales and marketing efforts
on his team, right?
504
00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:39,500
with my sales and marketing efforts
So, how did you help propagate that?
505
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,340
So, how did you help propagate that?
506
00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:43,060
People who would sell the War Room,
507
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:44,860
we played into
the insecurities of men,
508
00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:49,100
meaning that when you saw
Tate with a Bugatti, for example,
509
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,340
or you saw Tate as a four-time
kickboxing world champion,
510
00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:55,420
he made you believe that that was
the ideal that you needed to become
511
00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:55,660
he made you believe that that was
in order to get women in your life.
512
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,380
in order to get women in your life.
513
00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:59,020
When you talk about women,
514
00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:00,780
are you talking about
just sleeping with women
515
00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:02,900
or establishing a relationship?
No, no, no. Absolutely not.
516
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:03,140
or establishing a relationship?
The War Room is all about
517
00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:04,420
The War Room is all about
518
00:27:04,420 --> 00:27:04,660
you getting women
The War Room is all about
519
00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:07,260
you getting women
that serve you in your life,
520
00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:09,340
that benefit...
What do you mean "serve you"?
521
00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:09,580
that benefit...
So, the War Room has a methodology
522
00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:11,020
So, the War Room has a methodology
523
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:11,260
called 'the PhD',
So, the War Room has a methodology
524
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:12,980
called 'the PhD',
the Pimping Hoes Degree,
525
00:27:12,980 --> 00:27:14,580
although it was removed
from our website
526
00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,900
and although it's no longer
officially called that,
527
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:22,100
which is find a woman
that's attracted to you
528
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:23,780
and, you know,
obviously sleep with her
529
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:27,340
and eventually you put her through
a sort of Pavlovian conditioning
530
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,500
where, for her
to get your attention,
531
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:31,740
she has to complete tasks, then
bigger tasks, then bigger tasks.
532
00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:34,900
And eventually
her whole world becomes you
533
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:35,140
And eventually
and she has nothing else except you
534
00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:36,900
and she has nothing else except you
535
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:40,060
and she completely serves you
completely.
536
00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:42,380
Quote-unquote,
you could call it a 'slave'.
537
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:42,620
Quote-unquote,
She has to do more things for you,
538
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:44,300
She has to do more things for you,
539
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,980
whether it's, you know,
wash the dishes, do errands for you
540
00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:49,940
or eventually do OnlyFans webcam,
541
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:52,060
which was encouraged
inside of the War Room.
542
00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:52,300
which was encouraged
A lot of people might say
543
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:53,780
A lot of people might say
544
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:54,020
that to teach men
A lot of people might say
545
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:57,460
that to teach men
to coerce and manipulate women,
546
00:27:57,460 --> 00:28:00,020
to use Pavlovian conditioning,
like you said,
547
00:28:00,020 --> 00:28:00,260
to use Pavlovian conditioning,
into working in the sex trade
548
00:28:00,260 --> 00:28:03,180
into working in the sex trade
549
00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:06,340
is immoral and wrong.
550
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:08,900
I would never do it personally.
I've never done it personally.
551
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,620
But that was a big part
of what the War Room did.
552
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:11,860
But that was a big part
It was.
553
00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:13,580
It was.
554
00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:13,820
Do you regret
It was.
555
00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:15,860
Do you regret
that you played a part in it?
556
00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:16,100
Do you regret
I don't regret it.
557
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:17,380
I don't regret it.
558
00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:20,900
Why would I feel guilty of something
that I had no control over?
559
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:23,820
Well, you were part
of the marketing team, right?
560
00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:26,620
Yeah. Absolutely. But, during
that time, I was brainwashed.
561
00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:29,180
All your friends
are inside the War Room.
562
00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:30,740
All of your connections
are inside the War Room.
563
00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:33,260
All of your knowledge you consume
every day is inside of the War Room.
564
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:36,820
And they actually encourage you
to cut off the surroundings
565
00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:38,220
in your real life.
566
00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:40,620
And you start cutting off friends.
567
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:43,500
You cut off, you know,
old co-workers.
568
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,860
Did they encourage that?
They encouraged you.
569
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:47,580
And, actually, let me tell you
a very scary thing.
570
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:52,700
One of the members inside
the War Room, Iggy Semmelweis,
571
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:52,940
One of the members inside
he goes under a few different names,
572
00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:55,180
he goes under a few different names,
573
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:58,460
tells you that your new brothers
inside of the War Room
574
00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:58,700
tells you that your new brothers
are your new life.
575
00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:59,940
are your new life.
576
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:03,380
Everyone else before that -
it doesn't matter.
577
00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:06,700
"We have here the truth of life,
and if you want to follow us,
578
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,580
"you have to," quote-unquote,
"kill your parents symbolically
579
00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:12,940
"because they may not agree with the
things that you are learning here,
580
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:15,940
"but it will impede you from moving
forward inside of our organisation
581
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:16,180
"but it will impede you from moving
"if you do not kill your parents."
582
00:29:16,180 --> 00:29:17,420
"if you do not kill your parents."
583
00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:18,900
And I thought
that was a very scary thing.
584
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:21,180
But at the moment I actually
believed it, believe it or not.
585
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:22,420
I was so brainwashed.
586
00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:26,220
The War Room and the events, they
literally describe it as a cult.
587
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:26,460
The War Room and the events, they
Semmelweis, Iggy, he basically said,
588
00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:28,700
Semmelweis, Iggy, he basically said,
589
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,100
"Let's not kid ourselves -
this is a cult."
590
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:31,340
"Let's not kid ourselves -
Who's in charge?
591
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:32,660
Who's in charge?
592
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,260
Of the War Room?
593
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:37,780
Iggy is at the top, yeah.
594
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:40,260
But he definitely...when you spoke
to him, he definitely had an agenda.
595
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:45,420
He definitely influenced you in ways
that were not of your own thinking.
596
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:45,660
He definitely influenced you in ways
How do you mean?
597
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:47,020
How do you mean?
598
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:49,620
He literally would tell me that,
"I went inside of your brain
599
00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:49,860
He literally would tell me that,
"and I rearranged things.
600
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,100
"and I rearranged things.
601
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:51,340
"I went in the attic and I started
"and I rearranged things.
602
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:53,220
"I went in the attic and I started
moving the furniture around."
603
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:53,460
"I went in the attic and I started
That's how he would describe it.
604
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:54,500
That's how he would describe it.
605
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:57,660
So, he was very good
at reprogramming brains.
606
00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:59,380
And what's his agenda?
607
00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:02,220
I couldn't really tell you exactly
what the agenda would be
608
00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:05,620
other than, um...they're gonna
take over the world, I guess.
609
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:07,980
It's very, very grand aspirations.
610
00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:12,260
So, according to Eli,
the War Room is a cult
611
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:15,540
that, while not all members will act
on this, teaches men to groom women
612
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:19,620
and is run by a mysterious man
named Iggy Semmelweis.
613
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:27,020
And Andrew Tate is the secret weapon
Iggy uses to market that cult.
614
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:28,260
It works like this -
615
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:28,460
Tate has millions of followers
It works like this -
616
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,060
Tate has millions of followers
617
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:32,540
on Twitter
and other social-media platforms.
618
00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:36,060
He uses that following
to market his app, The Real World.
619
00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:39,380
200,000 of these followers
filter into the app,
620
00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:42,820
where they are then sold courses,
pushing them to the War Room.
621
00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:43,100
where they are then sold courses,
pushing them to the War Room.
This final tier consists of hundreds
of Tate's most ardent followers,
622
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,980
This final tier consists of hundreds
of Tate's most ardent followers,
623
00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:47,220
This final tier consists of hundreds
but once they're in
624
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:48,340
but once they're in
625
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:53,140
they find not just Tate
but Iggy Semmelweis lying in wait.
626
00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:55,420
So, who is he?
627
00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:57,020
Well, we've managed to find out
628
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:59,500
is that Iggy's real name
is Miles Sonkin.
629
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,220
He grew up in Chicago,
630
00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:02,620
and later studied hypnosis
631
00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:05,100
as well as something called
linguistic programming,
632
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,300
which is based
on the unverified belief
633
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:08,980
that you can control
someone's actions
634
00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:11,540
by your choice of words
and tone of speech.
635
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:11,780
by your choice of words
But Iggy isn't his first alias.
636
00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,620
But Iggy isn't his first alias.
637
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:13,860
In the '90s he lived in Japan
But Iggy isn't his first alias.
638
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:16,500
In the '90s he lived in Japan
under the name Douglas Hall,
639
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,180
the self-proclaimed 'greatest
pickup artist in the world'.
640
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:23,300
He's sold courses teaching
Western men to seduce Japanese women.
641
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:24,940
And if you fast-forward to late 2018
642
00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:26,540
we get Tate and Iggy
643
00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:29,220
interacting publicly
for the first time on Twitter.
644
00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:32,380
Soon after,
Tate begins selling his own courses,
645
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:35,540
and in 2019
the War Room is established.
646
00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:35,780
and in 2019
In the War Room's chat logs from 2019
647
00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:37,700
In the War Room's chat logs from 2019
648
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:39,180
Iggy greets every new member.
649
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:39,420
He sends them a document
Iggy greets every new member.
650
00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:41,860
He sends them a document
called The Survival Scrolls,
651
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:46,180
which appears to be a manifesto
outlining the War Room's agenda.
652
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:49,700
(READS)
"Please read the following books
653
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:50,900
"in the exact order
they are listed.
654
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:51,140
"in the exact order
"They build upon each other.
655
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:52,820
"They build upon each other.
656
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:54,580
"The Predatory Female.
657
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,900
"How To Dump Your Wife.
658
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,940
"Pimpology - The 48 Laws Of The Game.
659
00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:00,180
"They train you in setting up
The Female Sexual Slavery Frames.
"Pimpology - The 48 Laws Of The Game.
660
00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:05,260
"They train you in setting up
The Female Sexual Slavery Frames.
661
00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:08,540
"Gs are men of purpose, men of will
and men of power
662
00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:09,820
"that the War Room builds.
663
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:12,380
"All women are merely dragons
chasing them.
664
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:12,620
"Gs understand this reality
chasing them.
665
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:13,860
"Gs understand this reality
666
00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:14,100
"Gs understand this reality
to bend the dragons to their will
667
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,620
"and use their power of purpose
to bend the dragons to their will
668
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:21,220
"and get the dragons giving over
their hoards of treasure
669
00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:24,620
"while never
letting the dragons catch them."
670
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:24,900
"while never
letting the dragons catch them."
It's not just about
sexual exploitation.
671
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,340
It's not just about
sexual exploitation.
672
00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:27,580
It's not just about
This is about
673
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:28,900
This is about
674
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:29,100
financially exploiting women.
This is about
675
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,020
financially exploiting women.
676
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:31,260
It's about turning them into slaves
financially exploiting women.
677
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:35,140
It's about turning them into slaves
that you can profit from.
678
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:35,380
It's about turning them into slaves
that you can profit from.
And not just through webcam,
679
00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:36,660
And not just through webcam,
680
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:38,460
through a number of means, it seems.
681
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:41,260
(READS) "Seek out women
with their own businesses.
682
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:42,580
"Seek out women with family money.
683
00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,500
"Seek out women who are willing
to give you their paycheque
684
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:45,740
"Seek out women who are willing
"to use as you see fit."
685
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:47,700
"to use as you see fit."
686
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,700
There's only one thing left to do -
687
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,380
find Iggy.
688
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:57,580
(DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS)
689
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:03,420
So, we've just found an audio file
in the chat logs
690
00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:07,980
that appears to have
Iggy addressing a War Room event,
691
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:09,820
so, we're going to give it a listen.
692
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:26,180
We're now on our way
to Koreatown, LA,
693
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:26,420
We're now on our way
to Koreatown, LA,
to stake out the apartment.
694
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:27,700
to stake out the apartment.
695
00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:32,300
OK. This is Iggy's road right now.
696
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:36,220
(INDICATOR CLICKS)
697
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:44,180
OK. It doesn't look like
any of the houses here are expensive.
698
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:47,220
For the kind of grand master priest
of the War Room,
699
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:49,740
you'd expect it
to be a little fancier.
700
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,060
Where?
PRODUCER: Yeah, just on the right.
701
00:34:56,660 --> 00:35:01,580
Kind of nervous because, you know,
what if we actually do find him...
702
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:06,180
..what is his reaction going to be?
703
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:09,500
Will he cast a spell on us?
704
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:11,300
(DIRECTOR SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
705
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:12,780
Right here, yeah?
706
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:13,020
Is this good right here?
Right here, yeah?
707
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:15,820
Is this good right here?
That's pretty good, yeah.
708
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:27,860
OK. Let me go and have a look.
709
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:32,580
We're just trying to check if...
710
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:35,940
..the apartment number
we have for Iggy is correct.
711
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:37,740
Our producer, Tashi,
is going to go there
712
00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:40,100
because he recognises
what I look like.
713
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:50,180
Guys, he's definitely... (BLEEPING)
714
00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:53,460
..because I went on
to the address book on the door.
715
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:53,740
..because I went on
to the address book on the door.
Miles Sonkin -
apartment... (BLEEPING).
716
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:56,060
Miles Sonkin -
apartment... (BLEEPING).
717
00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:57,620
Oh, nice. OK.
718
00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:59,180
I think we wait for a bit.
719
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:12,380
Despite being central to the War
Room, writing its reading list
720
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,860
and helping create its methods
for grooming women,
721
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:17,380
Iggy has managed
to dodge accountability
722
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:19,860
by remaining in the shadows.
723
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:22,220
But now, for the first time,
724
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:24,540
the master of spells and shadows
725
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:29,180
will at least have to face questions
about his role in all of this.
726
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:33,700
Oh, fuck, there he is. There he is.
He's right there.
727
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:33,940
Oh, fuck, there he is. There he is.
I just saw him come out.
728
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:35,220
I just saw him come out.
729
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:36,900
Put your camera down.
Put your camera down.
730
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:39,340
He's walking away.
He's walking away.
731
00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:41,860
Yeah, we need to go and park
at the end of the road.
732
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:44,740
Matt, let's go?
733
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:49,260
Hi! Iggy Semmelweis?
734
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:49,500
Are you training people
Hi! Iggy Semmelweis?
735
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,100
Are you training people
in the War Room how to enslave women?
736
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:53,340
Are you training people
Do you run the War Room?
737
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:55,020
Do you run the War Room?
738
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:56,700
We've seen chat-room evidence
739
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:56,940
that you're training men
We've seen chat-room evidence
740
00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:58,820
that you're training men
how to enslave women.
741
00:36:58,820 --> 00:36:59,060
that you're training men
Do you care to comment on that?
742
00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:00,340
Do you care to comment on that?
743
00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:04,020
It looks like
from the evidence that we've seen
744
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:07,100
that you're instructing men
how to enslave and manipulate women
745
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:07,340
that you're instructing men
and coerce them into webcam.
746
00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:09,220
and coerce them into webcam.
747
00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:10,900
You have no comment on that at all?
748
00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:14,940
How long are we going to walk for
before you answer me?
749
00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:24,100
We thought Iggy would go back inside,
jump in a car
750
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,340
or go somewhere
where we couldn't follow him.
751
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:30,020
But he appears intent on walking
the entire breadth of Koreatown.
752
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:33,420
You have nothing to say
to these allegations?
753
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:37,940
Iggy, we've spoken to several women
754
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:42,540
who allege that members
of the War Room abused them,
755
00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:46,100
coerced them,
were physically violent to them.
756
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,100
As the grand high priest
of the War Room,
757
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,620
don't you have
anything to say about that?
758
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:54,500
You don't teach men how to get women
to fall in love with them,
759
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,780
sleep with them
and then coerce them into webcam?
760
00:37:56,780 --> 00:38:01,340
You've used the exact phrase 'female
sexual slavery'. What does that mean?
761
00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:03,620
What is it that you saw in Andrew
762
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:05,780
that made you think
he was the perfect person
763
00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:06,020
that made you think
to front this whole operation?
764
00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:08,260
to front this whole operation?
765
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:13,220
Are you not worried
about these allegations?
766
00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:15,980
You've nothing to say?
767
00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:19,180
You don't want to defend yourself
against these allegations at all?
768
00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:22,780
Well...
769
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:27,100
..it looks like Iggy Semmelweis,
AKA Miles Sonkin,
770
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:27,340
..it looks like Iggy Semmelweis,
doesn't want to talk to us at all.
771
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:29,060
doesn't want to talk to us at all.
772
00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:46,660
Hi.
773
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:51,980
We're a journalist from the BBC.
774
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:53,660
We're actually
investigating this man
775
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:53,900
We're actually
for running a...
776
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:55,820
for running a...
777
00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:01,180
..what appears to be an organisation
that teaches men how to coerce women.
778
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:06,500
Does he come here a lot? Yeah?
And you got the vibe?
779
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:07,820
Is he always bringing
different women?
780
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:11,500
You thought he was a pimp?
781
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:14,780
OK.
782
00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:17,180
Yeah. Of course.
783
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:19,660
Thanks for talking to us.
Have a good one.
784
00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:20,940
(CHUCKLES)
785
00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:25,660
We've given a chance to Iggy
786
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:27,860
to respond
to the very serious allegations
787
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:29,220
that people are making to him,
788
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:30,700
including those of multiple women
789
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,620
who accuse him
of running an organisation
790
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:37,020
that trained men
how to coerce them, manipulate them,
791
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:40,340
and some of these men, they say,
also physically abused them.
792
00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:43,340
We've given him a chance to respond.
He has nothing to say.
793
00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:50,820
Matt, I think
Iggy's just tweeted about you.
794
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:51,060
Matt, I think
About me?
795
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:52,340
About me?
796
00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:01,860
(SCOFFS)
797
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:07,700
(READS) "Matt A Shea
and his cameraman
798
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:09,300
"show up uninvited at my home,
799
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,420
"follow me for half an hour
as I walk, ask me silly questions,
800
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,700
"but never offer me
a box of chocolates.
801
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:14,940
"but never offer me
"So, I say nothing.
802
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:16,260
"So, I say nothing.
803
00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:16,500
"Now Matt will never know who the
"So, I say nothing.
804
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,700
"Now Matt will never know who the
real mastermind of the War Room is.
805
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:19,940
"Now Matt will never know who the
"Matt fucked up again."
806
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:22,180
"Matt fucked up again."
807
00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:25,100
I mean, it's pretty obvious it's you.
(LAUGHS)
808
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,740
Who's the real mastermind
of the War Room?
809
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:30,860
ARCHIVE REPORTER: Prosecutors
in Romania have filed formal charges
810
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:35,020
against the controversial influencer
Andrew Tate.
811
00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:37,020
The indictment,
deposited with the Bucharest court,
812
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:37,260
The indictment,
says that at the beginning of 2021
813
00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:39,620
says that at the beginning of 2021
814
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:42,580
the four defendants formed
an organised criminal group
815
00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:44,340
to commit human trafficking
in Romania
816
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:49,100
but also in other countries such as
the United States and Britain.
817
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:51,900
On 21 June
818
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:52,140
Tate was formally charged
On 21 June
819
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:54,660
Tate was formally charged
with human trafficking and rape.
820
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,540
But we still have questions
about the War Room,
821
00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:57,780
But we still have questions
and having to attend court
822
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:59,020
and having to attend court
823
00:40:59,020 --> 00:40:59,260
means Tate won't be able
and having to attend court
824
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:01,620
means Tate won't be able
to hide behind his gates.
825
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:06,860
Is the War Room an international
grooming cult, Andrew?
826
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:09,540
Because I've spoken to three women
now who say that it is.
827
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:12,580
Do you have chocolates?
I've spoken to three women...
828
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:14,540
Do you have chocolates?
I've spoken to three women
829
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:18,220
who say that they've been trained
by senior members of the War Room
830
00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:18,460
who say that they've been trained
to groom them and abuse them.
831
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:20,700
to groom them and abuse them.
832
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:22,300
Do they have chocolates?
833
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:22,540
I don't think he has that.
Do they have chocolates?
834
00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:23,780
I don't think he has that.
So, is the War Room
835
00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:25,300
an international grooming cult
of some kind?
836
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,940
I don't think
he can afford anything.
837
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:28,380
(OVERLAPPING CHATTER)
838
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:30,980
Tate has managed to appeal
to millions of young men
839
00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:31,220
Tate has managed to appeal
by exploiting their insecurities.
840
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:33,300
by exploiting their insecurities.
841
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:34,580
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK)
842
00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:37,220
Once in his orbit,
these same young men
843
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:39,740
are encouraged to buy
more and more courses,
844
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:41,500
where their final destination
845
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:41,740
is a cult that teaches men
how to turn women into slaves.
where their final destination
846
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:45,260
is a cult that teaches men
how to turn women into slaves.
847
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:45,500
is a cult that teaches men
What we've discovered
848
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:46,740
What we've discovered
849
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:46,980
is Iggy took
What we've discovered
Tate's misogynistic persona
850
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:50,060
is Iggy took
Tate's misogynistic persona
851
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,060
and used it
to create a global network
852
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:52,300
and used it
with scores of potential victims.
853
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,300
with scores of potential victims.
854
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,380
Tate's fame is being used
to sell a method of abuse
855
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:59,860
to men around the world.
856
00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:02,580
But, with his fans now numbering
in the tens of millions,
857
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:05,100
how many of them
will this message appeal to?
858
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:10,100
MEN: (CHANT) Free top G! Free top G!
859
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,100
Free top G!
860
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,940
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861
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,140
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