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(THEME MUSIC PLAYS)
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REPORTER:
We started this investigation
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REPORTER:
like any other internet user,
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like any other internet user,
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like any other internet user,
by typing in one five-letter word -
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by typing in one five-letter word -
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'porno'.
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On the internet pornography is
accessible everywhere all the time.
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All you have to do to access
thousands of free websites
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is to declare that you're over 18,
even if you're actually underage.
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We viewed hours and hours of videos
on these platforms.
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So, what stood out to us?
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It was the amateur content
that appeared to have been put online
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without the consent
of the people featured.
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For some of these people,
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life is a nightmare
For some of these people,
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life is a nightmare
they can't wake up from.
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(BIRDS SQUALL, WATER LAPS)
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Fairhaven, Massachusetts, USA.
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(SHIP HORN BLOWS)
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A peaceful small town
with just 15,000 residents.
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But for one of them
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this quiet haven
But for one of them
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this quiet haven
has become a living hell.
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KATE: I didn't want to be in public.
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I just felt like, being in public,
I was nude constantly.
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I covered up like crazy.
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I would be in the store,
I would have stuff,
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and then I thought
somebody was following me
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and then I thought
or recognised me.
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or recognised me.
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And I would just put my stuff down
and walk out. I just have to leave.
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I don't know, I, like... I lost me.
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OK.
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So, what happened to me,
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in a couple of sentences,
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I would say, you know,
my name is Katelynn Spencer,
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there are two sexual videos of me
online all over the internet
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there are two sexual videos of me
on different porn sites
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on different porn sites
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by...that was uploaded easily
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by someone that I was friends with
for 10 years.
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My life did an entire 180
because of these videos.
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Kate's world came crashing down
in May 2020.
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One day, some friends told her
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that a guy she had hooked up with
in her youth
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had posted two intimate videos
with her on porn sites.
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In 2020
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she was 30 years old
with a husband, a house, a job
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she was 30 years old
and hopes and dreams.
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and hopes and dreams.
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Today, Kate has none of those things.
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But no-one
can take away her fighting spirit,
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But no-one
which is why she's now speaking out.
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which is why she's now speaking out.
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And now it's like, "Yeah,
I had sex and I sucked his dick."
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And now it's like, "Yeah,
Who the fuck hasn't done that
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Who the fuck hasn't done that
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if they are being intimate
Who the fuck hasn't done that
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if they are being intimate
with someone?
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if they are being intimate
I didn't do anything wrong.
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I didn't do anything wrong.
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If this is what these people want
to do and put this video out there,
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that's on them,
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there has...like,
as long as there's consent.
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Kate had heard of Pornhub,
but only in passing.
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My friend said she took screenshots
of them and showed it,
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My friend said she took screenshots
and that's where I saw it.
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and that's where I saw it.
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One of the videos had 970,000 views
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and the other one had 50,000.
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Her former friend Gage
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had posted these two videos of them
Her former friend Gage
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had posted these two videos of them
being intimate
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via his personal Pornhub account
in 2010...
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..freely available
for all the world to see.
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The one with the most views was
three minutes and 32 seconds long.
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Kate immediately contacted Gage,
who she had lost touch with.
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But it was too late.
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Over the past 10 years...
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I have all notes...
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..these freely available videos
have spread all over the internet.
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Kate has kept track of them
in these notebooks.
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So, there's a list
of all the sites I'm on.
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There's more on the back.
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She has encountered 45 sites.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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And there's another
even bigger number to consider.
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How many views in total?
Have you made...
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How many views in total?
I've counted up to 5 million.
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I've counted up to 5 million.
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That's about it.
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5 million?
Mm.
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5 million?
4 to 5 million.
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4 to 5 million.
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I just think of it
as being virtually raped.
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So many people
have touched themselves to it.
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So many people
The comments are disgusting.
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The comments are disgusting.
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Kate has tried to have the videos
deleted on two of these platforms
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Kate has tried to have the videos
without success.
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without success.
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She has given up.
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Disney...if somebody tries
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to copyright Disney's music
and put it up,
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to copyright Disney's music
it's instantly taken down.
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it's instantly taken down.
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I'm still up.
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13 years.
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12, 13 years. I'm still up.
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A life in tatters.
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Put to the test,
Kate's marriage didn't survive.
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Psychiatrists have diagnosed her
with post traumatic stress syndrome.
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How can these big porn websites
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publish videos without the consent
of the people in them?
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The search for answers
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took us hundreds of miles away
to Pornhub's turf.
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We travelled north to Canada.
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Montreal -
a frosty minus-10 degrees Celsius.
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Behind Pornhub
is an enormous company, MindGeek,
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second in the world
in its industry.
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second in the world
Its logo is a light bulb,
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Its logo is a light bulb,
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but this giant conglomerate's
Its logo is a light bulb,
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but this giant conglomerate's
business
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but this giant conglomerate's
is pornography on a colossal scale.
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is pornography on a colossal scale.
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Its last reported
annual revenue figure
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dating back to 2018 -
five years ago -
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was 460 million euros.
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As well as Pornhub,
its flagship platform,
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MindGeek runs four other
very popular free porn sites.
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In total upwards of 3 billion visits
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per month.
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Our first move
was to approach MindGeek
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to shoot a film
about how its platforms work.
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to shoot a film
We sent an email, with no reply...
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We sent an email, with no reply...
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..followed by numerous phone calls...
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..at all hours from all over.
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91 phone calls to be exact.
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RECORDING: Please leave a message
91 phone calls to be exact.
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RECORDING: Please leave a message
after the tone.
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When you have finished,
please hang up.
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When you have finished,
MindGeek Montreal never responded,
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MindGeek Montreal never responded,
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even when we turned up
on their doorstep.
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Hello, sir!
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Yes?
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I'd like to go to the reception,
please.
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In fact, there isn't even
a public entrance.
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I see a reception
and the name MindGeek.
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This is only security.
We are security here.
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(PHONE LINE RINGS)
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According to one former employee
in the communications department,
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According to one former employee
this silence is company policy.
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this silence is company policy.
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But what about ex-employees?
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In Montreal there must be a ton.
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After all, the X-rated giant
says it has around 1,000 workers
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on its payroll here.
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Except the same rule applies.
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Even when you're no longer employed
by MindGeek,
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you have to agree in writing
not to talk to journalists.
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you have to agree in writing
Ever.
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Ever.
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Despite the risks...
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Yeah, hi!
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Yeah, hi!
..multiple ex-employees
agreed to speak to us.
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..multiple ex-employees
agreed to speak to us.
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To preserve their anonymity,
their voices have been disguised.
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These silhouettes
will stand in for them.
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These six people have held
different positions in the company,
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some of them for several years
and until very recently.
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They're going to share
their experiences
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They're going to share
behind the scenes at MindGeek.
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behind the scenes at MindGeek.
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However, officially, MindGeek claims
to be extremely attentive
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However, officially, MindGeek claims
when it comes to their content.
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when it comes to their content.
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The conglomerate addresses
when it comes to their content.
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The conglomerate addresses
the issue of consent through Aria,
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The conglomerate addresses
the Pornhub ambassador.
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the Pornhub ambassador.
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Hi. I'm Pornhub Aria,
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and I'm so pleased to explain to you
Hi. I'm Pornhub Aria,
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and I'm so pleased to explain to you
how Pornhub works
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as well as what you can expect
from Pornhub as a brand.
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as well as what you can expect
Nice to meet you, Pornhub Aria.
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Nice to meet you, Pornhub Aria.
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The sharing
of non-consensual intimate images,
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The sharing
sometimes called 'revenge porn',
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sometimes called 'revenge porn',
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is an issue that is taken
sometimes called 'revenge porn',
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is an issue that is taken
especially seriously by Pornhub.
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is an issue that is taken
There is a zero-tolerance policy
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There is a zero-tolerance policy
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for non-consensual content
on Pornhub, period.
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(DIALOGUE FADES)
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And they promise they will stop
at nothing to handle the issue.
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And they promise they will stop
(FADED DIALOGUE)
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(FADED DIALOGUE)
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..and moderating all content
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with cutting-edge automated
..and moderating all content
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with cutting-edge automated
detection technologies
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with cutting-edge automated
and a team of human moderators.
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and a team of human moderators.
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But what about the videos of Kate
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posted on Pornhub
without her knowledge?
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That wasn't an anomaly
in the system.
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These videos,
obtained without consent,
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might be fundamental cogs
in the MindGeek machine.
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(ELECTRICITY CRACKLES)
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Back in Paris
we're conducting an experiment.
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This is Sophie,
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editor-in-chief.
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She's going to sign up on Pornhub.
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This is the first step.
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To be able to post videos
This is the first step.
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To be able to post videos
on the site,
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To be able to post videos
there's a mandatory condition -
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there's a mandatory condition -
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to sign up as a verified user
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with your real identity
to sign up as a verified user
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with your real identity
proven by supporting documents.
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Once she's been accepted
as a verified member,
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Once she's been accepted
it's on to the next step...
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it's on to the next step...
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..uploading.
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Sophie's now going to post a video
of a sexual nature.
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One of a young woman who agreed for
the purposes of our investigation
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One of a young woman who agreed for
to film herself doing a striptease.
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to film herself doing a striptease.
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Sophie also gives it a title
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indicating that it's not her
in the video.
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Before posting it, Pornhub
asks her to certify and confirm
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that all of the individuals appearing
in the content she is uploading
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consent to appear in it,
are over 18
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and, above all, approve the sharing
of this content online on Pornhub.
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Simple enough.
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Sophie confirms.
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The video now needs to be validated
by a moderator.
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Pornhub say it themselves
on their site -
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"Our team of moderators
and support staff
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"work 24 hours a day,
seven days a week,
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"in order to review
all uploaded content
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"and remove all non-consensual
content that we identify
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"and remove all non-consensual
"or of which we are made aware."
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"or of which we are made aware."
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At this stage you'd expect Pornhub
to ask Sophie to prove
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that she really has the agreement
of the young woman
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who did the striptease.
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After all, the site also says this -
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"The distribution of intimate images
without someone's consent
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"is strictly prohibited."
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Two hours and nine minutes later
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our video is online.
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Pornhub didn't request
a scrap of proof.
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Nevertheless,
its branding has been tacked on.
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(ELECTRONIC TRILLING)
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After two hours and nine minutes
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our video is accessible
everywhere on the planet.
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We'll leave it up for a few days
before deleting it.
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Some of the former employees
we spoke to
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were partly responsible
for the verification procedures
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were partly responsible
on MindGeek's free websites.
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on MindGeek's free websites.
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They confirmed our findings.
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MARIE: Have you ever
been instructed that,
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when you saw a video
with a girl on it,
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you had to ask
the owner of the video
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you had to ask
for proof of consent of the girl?
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for proof of consent of the girl?
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Like, maybe both parties
have to upload
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their...maybe their ID,
have to upload
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their...maybe their ID,
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something to show there's consent
on both ends,
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but no, nothing.
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It doesn't matter if they
had consent unless they get caught.
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That's pretty much
their point of view.
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Hm.
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This may explain all the problematic
videos we found on Pornhub.
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Needless to say, we then flagged
these videos to MindGeek as users...
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..their pieces of content
posted by amateurs
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and thus approved by moderators
of the site.
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As on the page of this user,
for example,
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which has racked up
almost 6 million views
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with just six videos.
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He always has the same MO...
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..women who've fallen on hard times,
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prostitutes and addicts.
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Alright,
today we have Courtney here.
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How are you today, Courtney?
Hey. Good. How are you?
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How are you today, Courtney?
Do you mind me asking you, Courtney,
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Do you mind me asking you, Courtney,
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how did you get, you know,
addicted to these kind of...
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Yeah...
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He is also always accompanied by the
same friend there in the background.
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He is also always accompanied by the
And, every time
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And, every time
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the two men splash out on sex
And, every time
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the two men splash out on sex
for a fee of a few dollars.
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25. I thought I'd drop one.
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Alright. Thanks.
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At the end of the video...
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OK, we're gonna walk down this way.
At the end of the video...
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OK, we're gonna walk down this way.
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Alright.
Alright. Good luck.
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Good luck.
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..the man is addressing viewers
on Pornhub.
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And that's a wrap. Enjoy, everybody.
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And sometimes the women featured
clearly ask not to be filmed.
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The added graphic here isn't ours.
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There you have it.
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And this video has been online
There you have it.
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And this video has been online
on Pornhub for two years.
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There is a zero-tolerance policy
for non-consensual content,
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There is a zero-tolerance policy
period.
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period.
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These cases are far from exceptions.
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We've identified a user on the site
who frequently posts amateur videos.
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His username is 1stBlackZoro.
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To contact him, we created
a pseudonym, Mauricette777.
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In 2022 alone
he posted about 50 videos,
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In 2022 alone
all stealthily filmed,
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all stealthily filmed,
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like this one -
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fellatio performed by a homeless
woman in exchange for food.
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How did he manage to get this video
published on Pornhub
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How did he manage to get this video
along with all the others?
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along with all the others?
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This user confirmed
being able to post videos
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without having to provide
proof of consent.
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Far from MindGeek's
public commitments.
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But who are the men
behind this system?
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H was a manager at the conglomerate.
But who are the men
behind this system?
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H was a manager at the conglomerate.
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He rubbed shoulders with higher-ups
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at the very top
of MindGeek's food chain.
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For these shareholder executives,
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transparency
has never been on the agenda.
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Except on one occasion.
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In December 2020
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a shock wave hit Montreal.
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The prestigious New York Times
published a shock article -
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The prestigious New York Times
The Children Of Pornhub.
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The Children Of Pornhub.
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The Children Of Pornhub.
According to the American paper,
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According to the American paper,
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the site is overrun with videos
According to the American paper,
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the site is overrun with videos
of rape, minors, revenge porn
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and other stolen, racist
and misogynist content.
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Pornhub immediately set about
cleaning house
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and deleted several million videos.
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But the scandal was taken up
by the Canadian authorities
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at the highest possible level -
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in Ottawa at the federal government
headquarters.
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During a government question session
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the prime minister, Justin Trudeau,
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was directly addressed
by the leader of the opposition.
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So, a law was promised.
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But rather than waiting
in the House of Commons,
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a committee of MPs mounted
a fact-finding mission on Pornhub
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and summoned its executives.
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In February 2021
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remote hearings broadcast in full.
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If you want to unmute yourself
when you're prepared to speak,
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and then we'll have
some questions for you once...
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and then we'll have
To this day
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To this day
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it's the only public appearance
To this day
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it's the only public appearance
the MindGeek directors have made.
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Good afternoon.
My name is Feras Antoon.
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I'm the chief executive officer
of Les Entreprise MindGeek Canada.
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MindGeek is one of the largest,
most well-known brands
I'm the chief executive officer
of Les Entreprise MindGeek Canada.
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MindGeek is one of the largest,
most well-known brands
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in the online
adult entertainment space.
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in the online
adult entertainment space.
Our flagship website, Pornhub...
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Our flagship website, Pornhub...
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..and reports every instance...
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Meet Marie-Helene Gaudreau.
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..when we are aware of it.
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At the time
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the MP was vice president of the
committee in charge of the hearings.
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Madame Gaudreau, we'll turn to you.
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Of course, we are very sorry if this
has caused any impact on victims,
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but I can tell you
and tell the committee
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we are very proud
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that we built a product
that gets 170 million people a day,
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4 million Canadians,
30% of them women, a day.
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We created a very good product
that I am proud of,
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that our 1,800 employees who have
families and children are proud of.
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that our 1,800 employees who have
Now, it is not perfect.
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Now, it is not perfect.
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A long way from the world of Kate,
for example,
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who we also showed clips
from these hearings.
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It's a private company,
and I don't understand the relevance
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of what a private company makes
has to do with...
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(LAUGHS) That's private. Really?
So the fuck was my naked body!
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How dare you say that's your priv...
Really?
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You're concerned about saying
a number? A fucking number?
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00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,220
Look at the numbers on the views
on my fucking video.
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How much of that made you money?
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(INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE)
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After four months of work,
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the MPs produced a report
After four months of work,
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the MPs produced a report
with their recommendations,
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recommendations
yet to come to fruition,
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much like the law
promised by the Prime Minister,
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which never materialised.
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At the time of filming
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Feras Antoon
At the time of filming
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Feras Antoon
and David Tassillo,
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Feras Antoon
the MindGeek top dogs,
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the MindGeek top dogs,
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had left their roles,
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but they remain
shareholders.
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In Montreal
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we're following a new lead,
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an address registered as headquarters
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for several subsidiaries
of the company.
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It's down here,
a respectable neighbourhood.
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Last turn on the right.
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Apparently this second head office
is also Feras Antoon's house.
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Time to try our luck at his door.
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(DOORBELL RINGS)
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(INSIDE) Hello?
Yeah, hello! Hi!
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My name is Marie Maurice.
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I'm a French journalist with the
French National Public Television.
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I'd like to see Mr Feras Antoon
if he's here, please.
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00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:40,260
No, he's not here. Thank you. Bye.
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Excuse me, we've been trying
to reach him for many months now
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and we have some important questions
that we need to ask.
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Is there any chance
you could give me an address
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Is there any chance
where I can write him on?
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where I can write him on?
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(RINGS DOORBELL)
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(DOG YAPS)
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On with the investigation.
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We've discovered
that MindGeek might not stop
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at approving problematic content.
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They might even push you to watch it
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all in the name
of getting more clicks.
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The city of Brighton.
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Here we've arranged to meet with
two experts on online pornography.
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Here we've arranged to meet with
(CLAPS)
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(CLAPS)
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CREW: So, can you please speak?
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Sure. This is me speaking.
CREW: So, can you please speak?
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Sure. This is me speaking.
Can you hear me?
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Yeah, and same for me.
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Fiona Vera-Gray is a sociologist.
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And Clare McGlynn
is a law professor.
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And Clare McGlynn
Their research analyses the content
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Their research analyses the content
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included on the home pages
Their research analyses the content
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included on the home pages
of popular free porn sites...
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..like Pornhub.
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What interests me
about those front pages
..like Pornhub.
460
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:05,700
What interests me
about those front pages
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is that these are what
the porn companies are choosing
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to show to the first-time user,
the porn companies are choosing
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to show to the first-time user,
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00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:10,820
to show to the first-time user,
holding them to account
for the material they're showing
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holding them to account
for the material they're showing
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to first-time users.
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And first-time users, obviously,
generally speaking,
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And first-time users, obviously,
being young teenagers,
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being young teenagers,
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particularly teenage boys.
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00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:21,740
You know, some of the titles,
quite a lot of the titles,
particularly teenage boys.
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You know, some of the titles,
quite a lot of the titles,
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had like a jokey banter.
quite a lot of the titles,
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had like a jokey banter.
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00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:28,940
Um... A couple that I remember...
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Um... A couple that I remember...
fiend hates cum in her mouth. LOL."
477
00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:33,020
There was one that was like, "Dope
fiend hates cum in her mouth. LOL."
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00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:33,260
There was one that was like, "Dope
fiend hates cum in her mouth. LOL."
"LOL. Hahaha."
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"LOL. Hahaha."
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00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:40,500
"Watch me ejaculate into the mouth
of a woman who is addicted to coke."
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And that being available freely
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on the front page
of mainstream porn site.
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Routinely,
the harm against women and girls
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is being normalised and trivialised
and sexualised
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and sold to the next generation
as a bit of a laugh,
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00:26:58,860 --> 00:26:59,100
and sold to the next generation
it's a bit of a joke,
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it's a bit of a joke,
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00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,580
but it also has massive impacts
in terms of men and boys
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and some of the messages
that are going out to them
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and some of the messages
about their own sexuality
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00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:08,060
about their own sexuality
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00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:11,540
and what they should find
sexually arousing.
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The experts have found a way
to measure this impact
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in this study published in
The British Journal of Criminology.
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In 2017
496
00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:26,500
over the course of six months
497
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:31,180
they looked exclusively at the titles
of videos visible on the home page.
498
00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:37,220
Their study tackled the three most
visited porn websites on the planet -
499
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:37,460
Their study tackled the three most
Pornhub, Xhamster and Xvideos.
500
00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:40,980
Pornhub, Xhamster and Xvideos.
501
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:45,660
They then selected the titles
describing sexual violence,
502
00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:45,900
They then selected the titles
which fit into four categories -
503
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:47,780
which fit into four categories -
504
00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:50,260
sexual activity
between family members,
505
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:51,900
coercion and exploitation,
506
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:53,380
sexual assaults
507
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:56,460
and image-based sexual abuse.
508
00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:57,380
So, what we found
509
00:27:57,380 --> 00:28:01,380
was that 1-in-8 of the titles
that we found on the front page
510
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:01,620
was that 1-in-8 of the titles
represented sexual violence.
511
00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:03,100
represented sexual violence.
512
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:05,500
So, law of averages,
513
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:09,340
every time someone is opening up and
is going to one of the front pages
514
00:28:09,340 --> 00:28:09,580
every time someone is opening up and
of these mainstream porn sites,
515
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:10,820
of these mainstream porn sites,
516
00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:14,100
there's going to be
or there probably is going to be
517
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:17,540
some kind of depiction there
of sexual violence.
518
00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:21,980
After the revelations
of the Pornhub scandal,
519
00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:24,380
have the big porn platforms evolved?
520
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:29,500
With the permission
of the two experts,
521
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,140
we reconducted their experiment...
522
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:34,580
..on the same websites
523
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:36,060
using a special program
524
00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:36,300
to record the titles
using a special program
525
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,820
to record the titles
of all the videos on the home pages
526
00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:39,060
to record the titles
over four and a half months.
527
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:40,700
over four and a half months.
528
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:45,580
We then sorted the 17,508 results
529
00:28:45,580 --> 00:28:49,820
according to the same categories
as those used by the researchers.
530
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:56,740
Returning to Brighton
with our findings...
531
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:02,260
..the situation appears to be worse
in 2022.
532
00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:07,180
It's no longer 1-in-8 titles
that mention sexual violence
533
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:07,420
It's no longer 1-in-8 titles
that mention sexual violence
but almost 1-in-5,
534
00:29:07,420 --> 00:29:08,860
but almost 1-in-5,
535
00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:12,100
such is the conclusion
of our analysis.
536
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:12,340
such is the conclusion
(LAUGHS) We should have done that.
537
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:15,100
(LAUGHS) We should have done that.
538
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:18,820
Along with this new information,
539
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:20,420
we also present the experts
540
00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:20,660
with a huge book
we also present the experts
541
00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:23,780
with a huge book
listing all the titles included.
542
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:28,380
So, 1-in-5?
543
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:28,620
1-in-5 titles
So, 1-in-5?
544
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:31,540
1-in-5 titles
describes sexual violence?
545
00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:31,780
1-in-5 titles
Yeah.
546
00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:32,540
Yeah.
547
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:34,500
So, you know, that's...
548
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:34,740
So, what we're seeing there
So, you know, that's...
549
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:36,260
So, what we're seeing there
from your study,
550
00:29:36,260 --> 00:29:36,500
So, what we're seeing there
from our study to your study,
551
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:37,820
from our study to your study,
552
00:29:37,820 --> 00:29:41,900
is an increase in the descriptions
and representations
553
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:42,140
is an increase in the descriptions
of sexual violence.
554
00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:43,500
of sexual violence.
555
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:43,740
People might have assumed
of sexual violence.
556
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,980
People might have assumed
it would have reduced
557
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:47,500
over the last number of years.
558
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:49,340
Because Pornhub, for example,
559
00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:50,700
removed so much material,
560
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,180
you might have thought that the
companies would have taken action
561
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:56,700
to reduce the amount
of sexually violent content.
562
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:58,540
But what you found
is that's not the case.
563
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,260
And, in flicking through our list,
564
00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:05,180
the researchers noticed
that a particular type of content
565
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:07,140
is overrepresented.
566
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:08,900
I can very much see as well
567
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,580
that you found,
like, the vast majority is family,
568
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:11,820
that you found,
which is what we found as well.
569
00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:14,060
which is what we found as well.
570
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:16,260
So, this is just the first page
571
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,260
that I've looked at,
572
00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:21,340
and I can see the first one is,
573
00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:21,580
"Stepmum lets stepson fuck her
and I can see the first one is,
574
00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:25,220
"Stepmum lets stepson fuck her
whilst cleaning the bathtub."
575
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:28,220
"Dad fucks young stepdaughter
after school."
576
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:31,980
The experts have identified
a strategy put in place
577
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:32,220
The experts have identified
by the platforms.
578
00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:33,860
by the platforms.
579
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:36,260
So, in some of the incest,
580
00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:37,860
you're right,
they're not labelled 'incest',
581
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:41,220
but you get something like,
"Brother fucks NOT sister."
582
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:41,460
but you get something like,
And, so, they're deliberately trying
583
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:42,980
And, so, they're deliberately trying
584
00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:48,620
to say that this is not actual,
you know, sexual violence
585
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:49,940
because it's 'NOT sister'.
586
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:51,900
But, of course,
they're putting in those words
587
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,860
so that when you search
for 'brother and sister',
588
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:56,300
it's bringing it up.
589
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:57,940
So, it's the same with...
590
00:30:57,940 --> 00:31:03,060
MindGeek might indeed modify
the titles that mention incest.
591
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:07,180
This was confirmed to us
by former employees of the company.
592
00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:35,620
So, the formatter would have that
593
00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:38,860
or they would ask the user
to change the title?
594
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:07,940
MindGeek
might even go a step further,
595
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:11,420
as far as commissioning videos
from production studios
596
00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:15,300
that deliberately cash in on sexual
activity between family members.
597
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:22,860
This time the content is destined
for websites that charge a fee.
598
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:58,020
The department in question
is Scriptwriting.
599
00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:00,900
Several of these ex-employees
worked in it,
600
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:03,780
an essential cog
in the MindGeek machine.
601
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,940
We got our hands
on confidential documents
602
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:21,380
outlining MindGeek's management
of these productions,
603
00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:23,620
schedules spanning several years
604
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:27,540
for shoots MindGeek assigned
to external studios...
605
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:34,660
..studios required
606
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:34,900
to produce the script
..studios required
607
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,900
to produce the script
sent over by MindGeek to the letter
608
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:38,140
to produce the script
with every detail stipulated.
609
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:39,860
with every detail stipulated.
610
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,380
Set decoration.
611
00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:46,580
Outfits.
612
00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:47,580
Dialogue.
613
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:50,820
Scripts drawn up according
to strict internal instructions,
614
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:54,020
each site
with its own compulsory content.
615
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:01,980
Here are various elements
required to keep in mind
616
00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:05,460
when writing
for any of the subsites listed below.
617
00:34:07,060 --> 00:34:08,700
And, in some cases,
618
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:12,780
the conglomerate openly intends
to portray problematic situations
619
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:15,860
such as sexual activity
between family members.
620
00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:18,540
The instructions are crystal-clear.
621
00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:23,620
For their site, Moms Lick Teens,
622
00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:23,860
a stepmother and stepdaughter
For their site, Moms Lick Teens,
623
00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:26,140
a stepmother and stepdaughter
are required.
624
00:34:26,140 --> 00:34:26,380
a stepmother and stepdaughter
The woman is dominant, older,
625
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:28,340
The woman is dominant, older,
626
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:30,460
and the teen is submissive.
627
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:35,500
One of the former scriptwriters
shares a revelation.
628
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,620
This concept of the stepmother
would have been originally introduced
629
00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:41,140
by none other
than MindGeek themselves.
630
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:18,620
This is actually a massive,
631
00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:21,980
multinational,
well-resourced company
632
00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:23,940
that is setting out
to try and work out
633
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:27,620
how they can generate
the most amount of revenue
634
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:31,740
without actually thinking or caring
about any kind of impact
635
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:31,980
without actually thinking or caring
that it might be having for users
636
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:34,340
that it might be having for users
637
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:34,580
and also for those of us
that it might be having for users
638
00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:38,500
and also for those of us
outside of their user base,
639
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:38,740
and also for those of us
the impact more broadly on society.
640
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:40,980
the impact more broadly on society.
641
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:44,020
This means for profit
642
00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:45,940
is what convinced
these former employees
643
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:46,180
is what convinced
to stop working for MindGeek.
644
00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:48,180
to stop working for MindGeek.
645
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,820
Influencing the sexual desires
of the entire population.
646
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:21,060
Influencing the sexual desires
A staggering proposition.
647
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,020
A staggering proposition.
648
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:25,820
On the free sites
649
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:27,340
hundreds of millions of visitors
650
00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:30,980
don't pay a cent
to consume pornography.
651
00:36:32,980 --> 00:36:36,860
Nonetheless, they're the ones
bringing money into the platforms.
652
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:40,260
What's the percentage of revenue
from advertising?
653
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:44,540
Uh... From the top of my head,
I believe it's approximately 50%.
654
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,420
So, based on their last reported
annual revenue,
655
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:52,140
that would be around
230 million euros.
656
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:53,700
It's not hard to do the maths.
657
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:56,260
For MindGeek,
advertising is everything.
658
00:37:00,780 --> 00:37:05,060
MindGeek, therefore, has to get its
users to upload content to its sites.
659
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:07,820
To do so,
it offers them a cut of the revenue.
660
00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:08,060
To do so,
For a video on Pornhub,
661
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:09,300
For a video on Pornhub,
662
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:12,620
users can receive as much as 80%
of the advertising income.
663
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:19,860
MindGeek would collect the other 20%.
664
00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:25,460
But sometimes
MindGeek could be earning more,
665
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:28,980
and this would be on videos
recorded without consent.
666
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:40,820
Remember 1stBlackZoro,
the amateur serial poster?
667
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:41,100
Remember 1stBlackZoro,
the amateur serial poster?
This is his latest upload,
"Crackhead."
668
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,780
This is his latest upload,
"Crackhead."
669
00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:44,020
This is his latest upload,
The emoji is his.
670
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:45,620
The emoji is his.
671
00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:48,420
Pornhub approved this video
of fellatio
672
00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:49,500
even though the user confirmed
673
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,820
to still never having provided
proof of consent.
674
00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:58,260
I am burning up.
675
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:03,780
This is the email
Pornhub sent him about it:
676
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:10,700
And this is what Pornhub added:
677
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:22,220
So, 1stBlackZoro
won't make any money from his video
678
00:38:22,220 --> 00:38:23,700
because he doesn't feature in it,
679
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,100
yet, the video remains online.
680
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,940
And it's still accompanied
by all the usual adverts.
681
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:41,540
But then
who receives the advertising revenue
682
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:44,780
generated by these videos
posted without consent?
683
00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:53,220
Notice the small blue logo
in the top right - TJ. Traffic Junky.
684
00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:56,380
It's MindGeek's advertising company.
685
00:38:56,380 --> 00:39:00,060
We sent MindGeek
a list of exactly 12 questions...
686
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,820
..as well as links to two videos.
687
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:10,020
Alright. Good luck.
Good luck.
688
00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:10,260
Alright. Good luck.
And that's a wrap. Enjoy, everybody.
689
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:13,340
And that's a wrap. Enjoy, everybody.
690
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:16,860
These were videos
we had reported as users.
691
00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:22,620
At this moment in time
they still haven't been removed.
692
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,140
You're not making no video, huh?
Hmm?
693
00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:26,500
You ain't making no video, is you?
694
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:27,540
No.
695
00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:31,620
So, how did they respond
to our 12 questions
696
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:35,020
on videos posted
without proof of consent...
697
00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:44,220
..and on the advertising revenue
generated by this kind of video,
698
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:46,260
especially those of Kate?
699
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:50,780
A fucking number?!
700
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:51,020
Look at the numbers on the views
A fucking number?!
701
00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:52,980
Look at the numbers on the views
on my fucking video.
702
00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:53,220
Look at the numbers on the views
How much of that made you money?
703
00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:54,860
How much of that made you money?
704
00:40:00,020 --> 00:40:01,900
On content featuring family members
705
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:02,140
and, of course, on their disregard
On content featuring family members
706
00:40:02,140 --> 00:40:06,900
and, of course, on their disregard
of laws protecting under 18 seconds,
707
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:10,020
this was the conglomerate's
response:
708
00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:23,060
MindGeek added:
709
00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:39,940
On top of that, Pornhub also banned
1stBlackZoro's account
710
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:40,180
On top of that, Pornhub also banned
and all his videos have been deleted.
711
00:40:40,180 --> 00:40:42,740
and all his videos have been deleted.
712
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:49,460
There's also been a development
at MindGeek.
713
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:53,660
In March 2023
the conglomerate changed hands.
714
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:54,980
The new owners -
715
00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:59,500
multiple companies registered in the
British Virgin Islands, a tax haven,
716
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:03,980
here on the second floor,
PO Box 2429.
717
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:06,860
Which of the shareholders
are behind them?
718
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:07,100
Which of the shareholders
It's impossible to say.
719
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:08,940
It's impossible to say.
720
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:16,020
To conclude our investigation,
721
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:19,700
we headed back to the United States
to see Kate.
722
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:19,940
we headed back to the United States
In May 2020
723
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:21,220
In May 2020
724
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:21,460
the 30-year-old
In May 2020
725
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:23,700
the 30-year-old
discovered videos of herself
726
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:25,980
posted without her knowledge
on Pornhub
727
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:29,580
and then
on 40 other free porn sites too.
728
00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:31,020
CREW: So, make sure
your microphone...
729
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:32,220
MARIE: Now?
Yep.
730
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:34,780
Yep.
OK.
731
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:35,020
Yep.
OK.
We came bearing bad news.
732
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:36,700
We came bearing bad news.
733
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:41,620
Yesterday I checked
with the title 'blowjob', right?
734
00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:41,860
Yesterday I checked
"By best friend, Kate."
735
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:43,500
"By best friend, Kate."
736
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:44,980
I didn't put 'Kate'.
737
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:47,780
Is it still there?
738
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:52,420
Am I still on Xvideos?
739
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:53,900
Yep.
740
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:57,380
Xvideos is the most visited porn site
in the world.
741
00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:01,060
So, there are some websites where...
742
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,340
How many?
743
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:07,940
So, the title's changed.
744
00:42:07,940 --> 00:42:09,980
That's pretty much what it was.
745
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:12,260
There are ads everywhere.
746
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:14,260
Of course there are.
Yeah.
747
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:14,500
Of course there are.
Oh, my God.
748
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,300
Oh, my God.
749
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,180
And there as well.
750
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:31,460
And I've just been... It's, like,
the biggest campsite of the world.
751
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:35,860
That makes me sick.
I just want to vomit.
752
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:39,140
Sometimes...
And you can still fucking download.
753
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:43,380
This little button
just below the video of Kate
754
00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:47,100
is an extra feature
the Xvideos site offers its users.
755
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:52,100
With a basic account
756
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:52,340
you can download content
With a basic account
757
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:54,580
you can download content
onto your own device
758
00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:57,580
for yourself
or to share it with others.
759
00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:01,420
Like... This is why we don't win.
760
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:05,660
We flag the video
using the report form.
761
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:08,180
"That's me on the video" maybe?
Yeah.
762
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:12,060
"That is me on the video.
763
00:43:13,580 --> 00:43:16,100
"I did not give consent
to this being put up."
764
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:17,820
"Please take it down ASAP."
765
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:21,540
This is the automatic response.
766
00:43:21,540 --> 00:43:24,180
"Thanks for your report!"
767
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:26,660
The video remains available.
768
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,740
How are THEY
not taken down instantly?
769
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:36,420
How is that allowed?
770
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:42,460
After chasing them up...
771
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:42,700
Don't look at that, right? (LAUGHS)
After chasing them up...
772
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:45,300
Don't look at that, right? (LAUGHS)
CREW: Yeah.
773
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:49,340
..Xvideos finally deleted the video
three weeks later.
774
00:43:49,340 --> 00:43:53,140
Kate has now reported
her former friend to the authorities.
775
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:53,380
Kate has now reported
But for now
776
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:54,340
But for now
777
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:54,580
the American justice system
But for now
778
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:58,380
the American justice system
is refusing to pursue the case.
779
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:04,060
(THEME MUSIC PLAYS)