Tonight, it's part two of
"The Real Housewives of New York City" reunion.
Jenna, you opened up with the women
about a certain situation happening down there.
Oh, that hair was so long. It was like a red carpet.
- It's Downy soft. - Ooh!
I want to welcome Rebecca Minkoff.
You are the most self-involved human
- I have ever met. - I sent you a poem.
Oh, wow! She sent me a poem.
What's your reaction to the use of the word "cult"?
I'm tired of the attacks.
I want to talk about the accusation
- that was made against Ubah. - That felt careless.
You weaponized your experience for the downfall of a friend.
- It is awful! - You think there's anyone here
that doubts what happened to you?
I want nothing to do with you.
And I heard what you text her!
This is getting to be too much.
Part two of "The Real Housewives of New York City"
reunion starts now.
So she distorts my words
and says I was talking about the love of my life,
who is my husband of 10 years and the father of my children.
An apology is no more words.
Because, honestly, the spin is really dark,
and I just cannot believe that you would do that to her.
- I didn't know. I'm so sorry. - You did know.
You knew that it wasn't her husband
and you actually chose to bring it up.
I cannot believe you did that to her.
It makes me so upset.
I want to prove to you that I'm not that person,
and I want to earn back your friendship.
And I'm, like, absolutely, like, mortified.
Like, you think I want to with someone's marriage?
Like, I thought I was making a cute joke.
It wasn't a cute joke.
It wasn't just making a cute joke, Brynn.
- You're so trying so hard. - I'm not.
Did anyone chastise me? Did everyone go,
"Oh, my God, this is horrible"?
It was me that said it. And I owe you an apology.
- And I'm -- - Sai apologized already.
I sent her a text message apologizing after I saw it
because I felt bad.
You don't understand the work that I put through.
Like, I don't want him to ever question my integrity.
He gives me free rein. He gives me whatever I want.
He's like, "Oh, you want to go on vacation?
Cool. Do it. You want to do this?
Cool. Do it now."
Now it's like he's questioning my every move, dude!
- Aww. - I should have said "hookup."
I should have said nothing. Period.
- Well, there's that. - I'm so sorry.
Jenna. Okay. Give this to Jessel.
- I gave it to her. - No. I know.
- She's not using it. - But maybe I'd used it.
Um, I want to talk about the conversation
that happened between Ubah and Brynn
on the last night of the Hamptons,
specifically about the advice that you gave Ubah
about not being portrayed as an "angry Black woman."
I want you to marry Oliver.
I want Oliver to want to marry you.
I don't want you coming off like this,
as an angry Black woman, you know?
What was the context of that?
Anyone wanna...?
Oh, you can go ahead and tell them.
First of all, I'm sorry
that I obviously offended you that night.
Horribly sorry. You know my intentions.
You know, always since last year, all the phone calls.
You know, all I said was I want to protect you.
And when you were saying,
like, they're gonna give you the fair treatment.
Because, like, Erin did. Because she's white.
- She didn't say that. - You guys.
I would never sit here and not tell the truth.
I swear to Allah, Brynn.
She didn't say they're gonna give Erin the fair treatment.
You come from apology. Stay there, Brynn. No.
- Swear to Allah you didn't. - You guys.
You start talking. "No, no, no, boo-boo.
Listen to me, boo-boo. You know you have Oliver now.
Just, you know -- You can't do this."
No, I didn't say you can't do this.
You lie left and right.
If anybody believe you, Brynn, it's --
Whatever. It's not my business.
Ubah, you can't tell me that,
that you think that that was my intention,
then I'm gonna sit there and say that to you.
- You don't. There's no -- - Brynn, you're right.
Black angry woman -- No, no, no. Listen to me.
I always try to defend you. I am so protective of you
because you've been protective of me.
I don't even care because I'm not.
Let me ask you this. Why insinuate to Ubah
that Oliver may not want to be with her
- if she acts a certain way? - You know,
I didn't say Oliver won't want to be with you.
I said I want everything for you.
- But you did mention Oliver. - Yeah.
And she was already insecure in her relationship,
so it seemed like you might be weaponizing that.
No, I wasn't weaponizing. I was like,
"Don't allow my stupid ass to up
what you actually want and what matters in this life."
You know the good thing about Oliver
and that's why I'm going to marry this guy?
If I pray for anyone in this world who is still single --
- to get a guy who let you be you. - Right.
I wake up 11:00 in the morning.
- And he bring me tea in my bed. - Wow.
The Internet had a strong reaction
to the advice that you had for Ubah.
Karla on Twitter said, "Brynn telling Ubah to stop being angry
if she wants to marry her boyfriend.
It's been a while since I heard something so micro-aggressive."
Sammy Jo said, "For Erin to be the one
- to correct Brynn is wild." - Oh! Erin.
What was your reaction to the backlash?
Don't bring Erin into this. Poor Erin.
What was your reaction to the backlash?
I think it was hurtful.
I'm biracial and I identify as a Black woman.
It was really hard to read that and to see that
because I know my intention.
But I said something wrong.
And maybe even if I'm allowed
to say certain terms or we can talk about things,
maybe it's not always appropriate to bring it up
because we don't -- I identify as Black,
but I haven't had the same experience as you.
I had an excellent experience.
I have never had a bad experience being Black.
I'm just saying as a Black woman in the world, right?
- I get everything for free. - And I'm biracial,
and there's a difference.
Do Black people get everything for free?
I don't know. I'm so hot. I never --
When you look like that...
Oh. Do hot Black people get everything for free?
You don't understand. Getting upgraded.
- Guys hold my bag. - Really?
- I don't even experience that. - Is that because you're hot
- or Black or both? - ...with her being hot.
- Hot and Black. - Yeah, she's just so hot.
- Wow. - I think the issue was
when you said that, in your mind,
you thought you were being protective,
but it just -- it was out of context.
Because it kind of felt, like, out of left field.
But that's what she's apologizing for.
Yeah. No. I accept it.
- You accept her apology? - Oh. Absolutely.
- I am so sorry. - No, no. It's okay.
Alright, well, we're gonna leave it there.
We're gonna be right back after this.
I need to pee so bad, and I don't know how I'm gonna do it in this dress.
We are taking lunch.
Good job, everyone.
- Thanks, Andy. - Those shoes are so nice.
Is anyone, like, friends with her?
- She's alone. I feel bad. - Here we go again.
Hey, hey. Hey, hey. Are you taking the bait?
I just -- You also take the bait.
Your face, honey.
I know. I need to stop making faces.
No, no, no. Don't stop making faces.
That's -- Those -- Those were the right faces.
It's insane. But the problem is, she talks in a circle.
And I don't even know what the she's saying.
That's what I said. What are we even talking about?
I don't even know what is coming out of her mouth.
Someone should check on her, though. She's all alone.
- I know. - Someone should.
- Jenna will do it. - You do it.
- I mean, I'll try. - She's gonna curse you out.
Yeah. Probably.
Thank you.
Hello. Are we ready?
- We're ready. - Let's do it.
Oh, my God. My makeup artist left.
What the?
Eye goop.
I hate crying.
So I really like that you
are not letting anyone, like, slide today.
But it's hard for me. I feel bad for her when she cries like that.
- You don't feel bad? - Are you kidding me?
I don't know if she knows the guy.
- You know how that would feel? - Yeah.
I don't think I would be able to live in New York.
I would want him to go to jail.
I mean, you think people are going through sh--,
and then you hear other people's story and you're like...
We don't know what people are carrying.
Brynn?
- Hi. - I just hope she will admit.
- It's tough with her. - Yeah.
She believes everything she's saying.
Yeah.
Out there, everyone's having a hard time.
Like, this is hard.
Why don't you go and talk to her?
- I can't. - Why?
Like, I'm just scared of everyone now.
- Okay. - I'm scared of everyone.
- I know. - She said I made her life hell.
- For five weeks. - That's why I was like --
But you said for five weeks.
- What did I do? - You didn't do sh--.
Even Andy's like, "What did she do?"
- Right. - These people hate me,
and they want to rip my head off.
And anything that I do is gonna be like, "That's ill-intentioned."
I want to go hug my friend right now,
but they're gonna be like,
"Oh, you're trying to manipulate her."
Like, that's where I'm at.
I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place.
- Okay. Okay. - The waterworks are clockwork.
I've never seen something so performative.
That bitch needs an Oscar.
- Yeah. - You don't have to, like,
explain the story of how you got to...or why you did what you did.
No one -- It doesn't matter.
Just say like, ". I shouldn't have said that.
And I'm really sorry."
It's over.
You're making it harder on yourself.
- Exactly. - I'm sure you were upset.
- Of course, I was. - Yeah, it was mean.
It was awful.
There's one thing projected and then another thing
that's happening behind my back, and I don't like that.
No one thinks you have bad intentions. It's not like we're thinking --
no. But that's the thing, that it is all about the intentions.
Because you're not stopping to be like, "Sh--.
I actually can see that I might have hurt your feelings."
Like, you're apologizing, but you're not acknowledging
- the thing in some cases. - Yeah, yeah. I get it.
- Have you guys been talking? - No. I have not spoken to her.
And you used to talk all the time, right?
Yeah, because I thought we were friends.
Sometimes you just need good old sugar.
- Becky. - Oh, great.
Welcome back to "The Real Housewives
of New York City" reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen here with the ladies
of the city that never sleeps.
And I want to welcome Rebecca Minkoff to the chat.
- Hey, Rebecca. - Hi.
- Great to see you. - Thank you.
How are you feeling being here tonight?
You know, it's an exciting evening, right?
- Everyone looks amazing. - Yes.
So, Brynn, you and Rebecca hashed things out
in Puerto Rico, and you said you might even go shopping together.
- Has that happened? - Not yet, but I saw...
When are we going to the racks, sis?
...Page Six took you to Nordstrom Rack.
Yeah. We picked out a bag for you.
- Oh, perfect. - I know. It's all ready to go.
I bet. I bet.
Rebecca, Taylor from Athens, Georgia,
wants to know when it started to click
that Brynn had an issue with you.
You know, it was really fun to hear about Brynn,
you know, trying to make fun of my brand
that I've built over the last 20 years.
It started to click when I found out
about the Nordstrom Rack comment.
She has the Accessories Awards.
I didn't know Nordstrom Rack gives out awards.
That was low.
No, but if you drag me back -- Be like,
"Bitch, you sold sweatshirts at BroadwayCon."
I don't need to be produced by you.
It feels very like -- you're producing.
- No, it's not producing. - It is producing.
- It is. - ...conversation.
In the Hamptons, all you kept saying is,
"I don't know how to do this.
I'm just here to promote my brand."
Why did you want to do it?
Like, what was the motivation behind it?
From the brand side, we're obviously well-known
and successful, but during COVID,
our business shrunk by 70%.
And so if I can use this as a vehicle to get it back...
- Yeah. - ...why not?
Buy an advertisement. Go try to get an apple.
So you thought she was being inauthentic?
You're wasting everybody's time.
You thought she was being inauthentic.
- I'm "wasting everybody's time." - It's Bravo.
She's sharing about her marriage and real money problems.
I'm sharing. Ubah's sharing. Sai is sharing about her --
We're all sharing. You come on here to share.
It reminded me of in college, when I would be
in group projects and people would come in
- and they wouldn't do any work. - Rebecca,
what was your reaction to hearing Sai
call you boring on a hot mic?
I saw the podcast thing 'cause it went viral, you know?
Well, Rebecca sent it to me,
and she was like, "You said I was boring."
Is boring bad? Yeah.
So I texted her.
Um, she clarified that she meant
that I was nice and the show was boring.
So I believed that until the confessional
where she just doubled down on the boring
and said, "Yep, she's boring."
She's so nice.
You know what? Can we talk about something? Um...
I mean, you're not actually nice.
- That's what I've learned. - Oh. Okay.
- Yeah. - Do you want to talk about this
- now or later? - Whenever you'd like to.
Why do you say she's not nice?
Because she called me to complain about me bringing up,
"How are you Jewish? And how are you a Scientologist?"
Which was approved language, actually, from you.
But she didn't like the tone in which I said it
and then proceeded to text me some crazy message
while I'm at Bravo Fan Fest about to go on stage.
We played phone tag for a couple of days,
and I decided I just didn't want to really actually talk to her.
The first time she texted me about the Scientology stuff,
my dad was in that first episode,
and she goes, "Wow. You know, I realize that your dad
was in that episode. And probably was sh-- timing
for me to complain about the tone of the way
- you said something." - Okay. Nice.
Yeah, that was nice, but then my episode
with my dad actually comes out.
- Not once did you check in on me. - Check your call log.
You called me on Monday when we were still there at BravoCon.
The show hadn't aired. I'm not stupid.
You are the most self-involved human I have ever met.
- Wow, Erin. - All you do is complain.
You should talk.
But then my episode with my dad actually comes out.
- Not once did you check in on me. - Check your call log.
You were calling to talk about yourself.
You are the most self-involved human I have ever met.
- Wow, Erin. - All you do is complain...
- You should talk. - ...to everybody
on these couches about Scientology,
your bags, your brand.
You never worry about what we're going through.
- Are you - I reached out to you
when your dad was sick.
When he passed, I reached out to you.
I sent you a poem. I checked in on you.
Oh, wow! She sent me a poem.
Really, Erin? I checked in on you a ton.
You did not check in on me a ton.
Yes, I did. What bothers me
is that you were so mad about this stupid prank
- that you came up with. - I was mad that you were
suddenly trying to separate yourself from it,
as if you had nothing to do with it.
- How did I do that? - When you and I planned it.
You made up the prank about yourself.
- I would never make up a prank. - We did it together.
- No, no, no. - Okay.
- And if anyone wants to -- - But, by the way,
you were a part of it.
- It could have been her idea. - I'm not denying it.
- Okay. - But she was mad at me.
I want to follow up on something.
- It makes no sense. - What do you mean
it was "approved language"? What does that mean?
The Scientology -- I understand.
It was a sensitive topic for her.
I said, "Can I ask you the question
how are you Jewish and a Scient--"
'Cause I don't understand. And she said yes.
Her being mad at me about that
was literally the weirdest thing.
I was not mad at you about that.
You said in a confessional,
"I don't understand how you can be two things
that are so opposed to each other."
I love Becky, and I don't want to judge,
but I just don't fully understand how you can have
two religions that are so different and opposing.
To see that from you was a bit disappointing.
Rebecca, we're supposed to be talking about
how we feel in the moment of filming.
That's what a confessional is.
Has she given you a clear explanation
of how she can be Jewish and a Scientologist?
I don't fully understand,
but, yes, she's explained it. I don't understand.
I know how strong your Jewish faith is.
- Yeah. - What do you do you consider
- your religion? - Both.
Judaism is my religion. It's a religious belief.
Scientology is basically an applied philosophy.
It helps me learn how to communicate better,
deal with stress in my life.
- Is Scientology a religion? - Yes, it is.
It's a world-recognized religion.
It's more of a philosophy, not a religion.
Yes.
Kenya from Ontario said,
"Ladies, you all had a lot to say about Scientology
in your confessionals."
I have zero comments about anything.
I won't even say it. Don't come for me.
I just, like, feel like my phones will be tapped.
- Like, I just -- No. - From what I have heard,
people give up a lot of their salary towards it,
which, you know, in Rebecca's case,
that's got to be a pretty penny.
I feel like I'm talking to, like,
a door-to-door salesman or something
that's trying to sell me snake oil.
Do you still stand by your comments?
Racquel and I had a really nice dinner with Rebecca
a few weeks ago, and the topic came up,
and, you know, we were asking questions.
We were both curious.
Was asking a lot of questions.
A lot of questions. I mean, we probably
spent an hour talking about Scientology
and trying to understand what Rebecca --
like, what this means to her.
Why didn't you ask those questions
- when you were filming? - Yeah. Why not on camera?
I think she was very reluctant to discuss it on camera.
I think there has to be a safe space.
- Why? - So I was not reluctant
to discuss it with my friend Erin,
who has decided she's not my friend anymore,
but we were. I think when it came up with --
But you gave her talking points, it sounds like.
Anyone can say anything.
- You're on a reality show. - Yeah, it's unscripted.
Whether you have an idea of how you want something to be framed,
- I mean... - I feel like, in general,
this subject with me in the show has been disrespected.
It is a personal belief.
It has helped me overcome depression, anxiety,
be a better mom, be a better communicator,
deal with the incredibly intense pressure of running a company.
And then to get attacked for it?
It seems like -- You know, we are dealing
in a time being attacked -- and you know this
and you know this -- for what we believe in.
How were you attacked about Scientology on the show?
I think some of the things
said in confessionals really hurt.
And I think that, outside of the show, you get attacked all day,
so I'm getting it from both ends.
- Huh? - Well, I'm j-- I'm curious.
I hope I didn't say anything in a confessional
other than the Jewish thing.
- I just think the tone took -- - Tone.
Sorry. I said the word "tone" again.
No. I just don't get it.
I think what Rebecca is saying...
She came in already being judged.
Rather than everyone coming from a point
of, "I want to know more,"
it felt like it was coming from a place
of, "I'm gonna bring it up because it's clickbait
and I feel like I want to get you to react."
And I just don't feel like
anybody with any of their beliefs would get that...
- That's so no true. - I don't think you allowed us
- the opportunity to even ask, - On the helicopter,
literally, I held your hand and I said,
"I'm so sorry that Air Mail article came out.
Welcome to the sh-- show."
Kind of like, "How can we help you? What can we do?"
We literally offered support.
I know, and I said to you,
"You can say 'no comment' because you don't know
how to answer these questions. They can come to me."
But that's weird. That's not how, like, stuff works in life.
"No comment." That's creepier.
Like, then you're adding to the creepiness.
I'm not saying "no comment." I'm saying, for you,
if you don't know the answer, come to me.
But you didn't want to discuss it.
I think that was -- We had this conversation at dinner.
You kept like, "Nope. Don't want to discuss this."
It doesn't matter who asks the question.
- It does. It really does. - Sorry.
- I'm saying for me. - Okay.
Because I saw that you felt reluctant at the picnic.
And whether that was reacting to Brynn or someone else,
we were all feeling like we didn't want to bring it up
because it felt like it was a closed subject.
What was said that you felt attacked by?
Okay. Um, I feel like
when someone calls someone a used-car salesman
selling snake oil, that's offensive.
When she never even bothered to get to know me at all.
I literally asked you at the picnic.
You never bothered to get to know me.
Because you moved to Florida a week before we start filming.
You don't -- You fly in to film with us.
You know what? I own two houses here.
I pay taxes here.
Most successful people live in multiple places.
So don't tell me about where I live.
Congratulations, but you don't live in New York.
That's actually completely untrue.
Are you the location police? Like, who are you?
I don't even know what that means.
I'm glad you're tracking my whereabouts.
No. That's probably what you do.
We got a big reaction online to you coming on the show.
Scrapeze on Twitter said,
"No, thanks. Stop normalizing cults."
- Okay. - What's your reaction
to the use of the word "cult"?
- Uh, that is a bigoted term. - Okay.
So it's hate speech to, like, keep calling a religion a cult.
- Okay. - And you wouldn't be
asking me these questions
about Christianity, Muslim, Judaism.
- Okay. - I'm tired of the attacks,
and it's suddenly okay for this religion.
- It is not. - Got it.
Rebecca, Roz from New York City said,
"Did you really expect to come on a reality show
as a well-known Scientologist and not talk about it at all?"
You know what? I'm happy to talk about it
if I feel like I'm in a place
where I can have an honest conversation.
This also isn't something that you can answer.
We spent an hour talking about it,
and there was probably still more time to go.
- Yeah. - Do you have an hour? No.
This is not necessarily the format to discuss this.
It's the XL format and platform.
You had tons of hours. I mean,
you were on a trip to Puerto Rico.
You were in the Hamptons. I mean,
- you had nothing but time. - I'm not here to bring it up out of the blue
and be like, "Guys, let's clarify this." - No. But what we said
is there is a negative connotation around it,
and there's so many misleading things.
And I told you in the helicopter, "Maybe, dude,
use this as a way to, like, set some of the record straight.
Tell us about --
Like, what you just said earlier when you sat down
about, like, "It's helped me be a better mom.
It got me out of depression." That's something.
You would not give us anything.
Rebecca, before I let you go, I want to know,
is there anything else that you want to address with the women?
I'm sorry that I didn't call you again
to check in on you about your father.
I can understand how incredibly insensitive that seems.
- And I'm really sorry. - Thank you.
I was really shocked that, you know,
we were still talking about my tone and not about real stuff,
so I appreciate it.
And for anyone who I offended with my infertility,
terrible prank...
as someone who went through it myself,
that was insensitive, and I had no idea.
But not just beyond you guys.
Anyone who's dealing with that. Like, I really apologize.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
Anyone else have anything
they want to address with Rebecca?
That's all, folks.
Alright. We're gonna leave it there.
Rebecca, thank you for joining us.
More from the Housewives of New York City in a moment.
Easy-peasy.
- Wow. - Quick and dirty.
- Can I request a Diet Coke? - Do I --
I'll do anything for a Diet Coke.
- Do I wait here? - Rebecca wants to know.
Does she exit. What would you like her to do?
Yes.
Yeah. I didn't know if I had to get de-mic'd.
- Can we get one quick touch-up? - Can I get a Diet Coke?
Can I get a Diet Coke? Anybody?
- Thank you. - Thank you.
- Bye. - Bye. - Bye, Rebecca.
That was awkward.
Coming up...
I walk towards you.
And I heard what you text her!
Welcome back to "The Real Housewives
of New York City" season-15 reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen.
When the trip to Puerto Rico began with a dispute over rooms,
it felt like business as usual for our New York women.
- Oh, Lord. - But chaos soon filled
the entire house as accusations were leveled
that threatened to change this friend group forever.
Watch.
- Hello, Puerto Rico! - Hello, Puerto Rico!
- To Puerto Rico! - To Puerto Rico!
Jenna's telling me her hair on her vagina
is straight like a wet cat.
- Easy, breezy, beautiful. - Not bad.
Oh, my God.
- Holy sh-- - Buckle up, buttercup.
The water is disgusting!
There's a dead pigeon right there.
There's no way I'm sleeping in that sh--
I have too much money to stay here.
Don't tell me this room is too small.
- I've seen your apartment. - Ubah, why are you here
if you're gonna just sit on your phone?
Why are you here?! Why are you here?!
Why?! Why are you here?!
Ubah has had some strong reactions so far in this trip.
It's starting to come off like something else is going on.
- Go take a nap. - Should I suck a dick while I take a nap?
Stop telling Brynn that she's a whore and, like,
people suck her dick 'cause it's really hurting her feelings.
People suck her dick, I said.
That happened to me.
And Ubah knows this.
I was raped.
And I'm still dealing with this sh-- Ubah knows this sh--
I go into Ubah's room
to share with her What Brynn told us.
This bitch is lying! You son of a
You psycho bitch!
We end up in Jenna's room.
I said, "Brynn, did Ubah know?"
And that's when Brynn says...
"Come to think of it, maybe she didn't clock it."
I checked out at that moment
because I realized she was lying.
I can't even hate Brynn.
Like, if I hold these grudges for her,
I would never trust.
She would cut my wings.
So I have to forgive her for me to move on,
for me to live my life.
Alright.
Obviously, we're gonna get to that.
I want to start at the beginning of the trip.
Racquel, you seemed really frustrated with the group
when you first got there.
Where was the frustration coming from?
Watching it over, I know that the room was not --
You would never have fit on there,
but you didn't even attempt to find a room --
- As the host... - As the host who took the master...
...you should not take a master bedroom for yourself
- and then leave your - I shared with Jenna.
Does a host need to share? At least I agreed to share.
It's like you make sure, "You're sleeping here..."
- What? You assigned the rooms? - You assigned the room...
- Well, someti-- Not always. - that sh--
Ubah, you also had a lot to say about the beach
- Racquel took you to visit. - Yeah. To clarify things,
I wasn't talking about the ocean.
I was talking about that sewage that goes to the ocean.
- Which was an inlet. - Yeah.
You also said the water is disgusting.
- That's the thing. - No, no, no.
Because Brynn was about to run to the ocean. Exactly.
You said, "Don't go swimming. The water's disgusting."
This one. Can you please talk?
- I was talking about your cat... - She saw the dead bird.
And then, because there was that little inlay with water in it,
she didn't want me to put my feet in it.
Everybody walked through
that one inch of water, including Sai.
You decided to go jump across.
Aah! I don't want to touch this water!
I don't know why you didn't just walk through
that one inch of water like everyone else did.
I actually thought I'm long enough. I'll be able to jump.
I wasn't speaking about the ocean.
I don't hate Puerto Rico.
I didn't start yelling about the ocean
and feel this way because I was like, "Oh..."
But you told people not to go swimming in the ocean.
Yeah, but, no. Not people. I was talking --
You told Brynn not to go swimming.
- Did I tell you to not go swim? - She was going to swim.
She was running to the beach,
and you said, "Don't go swimming!"
Production, it's not true!
- Can I go pee in the ocean? - We won't tell anyone.
I promise you. The water is disgusting.
Maybe I don't pee in the water?
And then she turned and said, "Don't swim! Don't swim!"
She was saying that to egg you on, as you know.
- We just saw it. - I wasn't trying to egg you on.
I said I was gonna -- I had to go pee.
Blegh! Go die in the Hudson River. Like I care.
I'm only apologize for ruining your childhood memory.
About the beach, everybody thought about it,
but they were not gonna tell you.
I know, but it's just the fact
that Puerto Rico has had such a hard time,
and we don't want people to see Puerto Rico in that light.
I actually didn't think of that
'cause I go to Puerto Rico all the time.
I know, but we do. And as a Puerto Rican,
this is what I thought about.
And I don't want to discourage people from going there
just because they think we have dirty beaches and things like that.
They will miss out if they don't go to Puerto Rico.
- I had the best time. - Alright. Let's move on.
Jenna, you opened up with the women
about a certain situation happening down there.
- Oh, for crying out loud. - How did the topic come up?
You shared it with Sai.
I told Sai privately when we were on the plane.
- And clearly -- - Sorry. I'm Brynn.
And then she decided it was a fun fact.
- Did you embellish it, though? - No, I didn't embellish.
Because sometimes you don't need to embellish.
No. That hair was so long. It was like a red carpet.
None of you can draw.
Just silky smooth...
Is that -- Looks like a spider's coming out her cooch.
It looks like a penis, but it's just hair.
Literally, like, an Easy-Bake Oven could draw better than you.
- All of you. - I drew it perfectly.
When did you realize your situation down there was unique?
Most favorably have always gotten a lot of attention
for it from anyone I've dated, but in a very favorable way.
- It's Downy soft. - Ooh!
- It looks like Jessel's hair. - Exactly like Jessel's hair.
And probably that length now.
If it's long enough, maybe we might buy us a weave.
Alright. Well, Ubah, the women on the trip
and in their interviews
expressed worry and anxiety about making you upset.
- Mm-hmm. - They don't like the way
you handle conflict.
How does it feel knowing your friends
avoid bringing certain topics up around you
because they're worried about your reaction?
Yeah, I apologize that my authenticity,
it makes you guys so uncomfortable.
- Your authenticity? - Yeah.
It makes them uncomfortable because the only time
I lose my sh-- is when you come with lie
or deceiving or try to mix things up.
- What did I lie about? - I know, but your reaction
to the room, for instance.
You know what? Continue being afraid. Great.
- I'm not afraid of Ubah. - I'm not afraid.
Sometimes I don't want to deal with it, but also --
I think it's because it is long-winded.
It is a very long -- It's not, like, a quick --
- I'm very detailed. - It's not short and to the point.
Right. So it's a time issue.
It's a very timely argument with Ubah.
- This is my issue that I have. - Yes, please.
This is my issue that I have.
- ...Erin. - Why are you --
Do you even know what I'm gonna say?
The issue you have with everybody.
Because those are relationships.
- Go ahead. - That's not nice to say to me.
- No, but it's the truth. - You have issues --
We don't have any issue, you and I.
- Can you listen? - Go ahead.
It wouldn't be a negative thing if you could just listen.
I wasn't gonna say anything negative.
What I was gonna say is that sometimes I feel
like you assume things, and I understand, if it were true,
why you would get triggered in that sort of way.
- Yeah. - But sometimes I feel like
you wouldn't give me the benefit of the doubt,
and that really frustrated me as your close friend.
Racquel, what is your reaction, being new to this group,
about people feeling like they don't want to make Ubah upset
because they're worried about her reaction?
I get it. When I went in to speak with you about the beach...
I'm so happy. Everybody's afraid of me.
I feel like Sai came in almost
to calm everything down just in case.
And then one of the first things out of your mouth was,
"Are the two Puerto Rican girls coming in here to attack me?"
We're here, and we're just all having fun.
Yeah. Are you guys ganging on me
because you're Puerto Rican and I'm in Puerto Rico?
Is that why?
I felt that way. I spoke how I felt.
I told you, when they come and play,
you will see there was a dead pigeon.
We're not -- That's not the point.
We're talking about what is seeming like
your friends censoring themselves
because they are worried about your reaction.
They should. They should. They should.
They should? But that's not a healthy relationship.
Ubah and I do have a relationship.
- That's not a true friendship. - But that's not true, though.
- They've all expressed it. - That's fine.
I don't believe that. But go ahead.
I think it's the way you also, like, communicate with Ubah.
Like, if we have an issue,
I don't deal with it in a group setting.
I call Ubah and we talk it out.
But if something happens in the moment,
you have to have the conversation, right?
Racquel, I wish I tell you I care.
- I don't. I really don't. - Alright.
Um, I want to go back to the conversation by the pool.
Erin, you told Jessel
that you were not part of the sh-- talking.
Now that you've had a chance to watch the episode,
I'm just curious.
Do you want to correct the record?
I mean, yes. I was sitting there.
- You were "sitting" there. - I wasn't saying as much.
I was chiming in here and there.
I wasn't, like, offering information.
You were part of the sh-- talking.
It looked like you were a member of the conversation.
I was a member of the conversation.
I'm really, really sorry.
I felt like when it was getting too much
that I was like, "Let's stop this."
When it got too much, she was like,
"Come on, guys. I feel bad."
You don't get a sticker for that.
- But this is -- - Ubah, you won't give me
a sticker for anything. We're aware.
And you know what even making me more mad while I was watching?
You actually switched the entire conversation
by saying, "You call her husband."
- Are you here to -- - Oh, I saw it. I saw it.
Okay. Do you want to have a problem?
Because I have a lot of things that I'm, like, not saying.
- Ooh! - It's really rude.
Coming up next...
You told us that she might not have clocked it,
and that felt careless.
Careless?
Okay. Do you want to have a problem?
Because I have a lot of things that I'm, like, not saying.
- Ooh! - It's really rude.
This is exactly what I was saying earlier.
You want to assume and you want to find the worst in me.
And I don't really understand it.
I've been nothing --
I've been nothing but a good friend to you.
I think I have been a very good friend with you.
- Not now. - Okay. Alright.
I'm telling you that that's what frustrates me.
The assumption gets you frustrated, obviously,
because if it were true then you'd get mad.
But it's like -- Give it a minute.
Ubah, when you left the dinner on night two, you said,
"I don't know if Brynn
maybe slept with someone to get this job."
So I guess the question is, why go there...
- Yeah, I was angry. - ...knowing how upset she was
by the comment that was made on Jeff Lewis' show?
Honestly, I was not thinking of Jeff Lewis.
I was mad, and I -- It's a stupid thing that to say.
Sometimes I say things that are like --
Last year I was like, "Maybe you were not loved."
Maybe you don't know how to be loved
or how to stand up for yourself.
- Watch your mouth. - No, no, no, no.
- Sometimes it just... - Comes out.
You said that there was a big difference
between saying someone sucked a dick to get a job
and saying maybe you slept with someone to get a job.
- Because -- - What is the difference?
Because you suck a dick to get a job -- No, really.
Maybe they're both really bad,
but, to me, you suck a dick to get a job.
That mean maybe I have a dick. You suck my dick to get a job.
Like, it's a -- it's a -- No, no, no. No, no.
Don't look like you're confused. You can look at me.
- And I can tell you. - I am.
Was it the right thing to say? Absolutely not.
- Do you regret saying it? - Yeah, absolutely.
Knowing what I know now, I will --
I'm sorry. Here. Forever. Afterlife.
I'm very sorry. Like...
- Do you accept her apology? - Yes.
Okay. I want to talk about the accusation
that was made against Ubah.
And I want to make it clear that no one here
doubts anything that happened to you.
- I think we all agree on that. - Yeah.
Can you clarify for us
when you told Ubah about the sexual assault?
Yes. It was a week before BravoCon.
I got a phone call
that a member of my family had purchased a gun,
and I didn't know if this person was dead or not.
First person I called was Ubah
because Ubah is a good friend.
I'm talking to her on the phone. She immediately said,
"I'll get you a car. Do we need to get you to the airport? What's going on?"
And I just start, like, screaming.
And I was like, "Why is this happening to me?
Why is this my life? My childhood.
The dude that beat me up in college. I was raped."
I literally word vomited
every single -- like 18 chapters of, like,
everything bad that has ever happened to me.
And I was like, "Why? Why is this happening? Why?"
So when she was saying the thing of,
"You suck dick to get a job, you suck dick to get a job,"
I kept thinking, like, wait a second.
Like, maybe it was like the cancer thing
where she just didn't remember in that moment.
Life is very difficult.
You can't stop your mom from dying.
When you go to the doctor and they say you have cancer,
you can't stop that.
Or maybe she didn't hear me
because I was literally -- in your defense --
rambling like a lunatic
'cause I didn't know if someone was dead.
I've never seen a human being that broken.
I was just, like, rambling. So I know I said it.
It was a FaceTime, so I saw it.
But maybe she didn't hear it.
And then later on, we went back to the room
and were talking about it.
And I didn't feel loved by you guys.
Were all just sitting there kind of asking questions.
And I literally said -- in her defense --
because I am, despite what you think --
I am always defending you.
In her defense, maybe she didn't hear it
because I was incoherent.
- You didn't say that. - Yes, I --
Don't -- Don't -- You guys, don't --
Brynn, we are so sorry this has happened to you.
Do you know what we're talking about right now?
- Be careful. Be careful. - We're not denying it happened.
But I said it.
I did not sit there and say,"
"Oh, actually, guys, maybe, like --
Maybe, like, she, like, didn't say it. I don't know.
Okay. Good night."
- We didn't say that at all. - I said in her defense,
maybe she didn't hear it because I was just rambling
and all she was focused on was trying to help me.
And that's what was so upsetting then
when I watched it back, you guys,
because I remember standing in the room afterwards
and I'm talking to all you guys, and you guys are all in the bed,
and you guys didn't, like, come and hug me.
You're all just like, "So who was it?
How rich was he? Who is this guy?"
And I remember just standing there...
- What? - We didn't ask those questions.
- No one did. - No.
"Have you seen him?" Nobody came and hugged me.
- Nope. Nope. Nope. Hold on. - Jenna.
You told us that she might not have clocked it,
and that felt careless
because we had then realized at that moment...
Yes.
- Because we were in -- - What state was I --
Just because I don't fall on the ground
and scream or run to bathrooms and throw up
and cause a scene and say, "you bitches."
Just 'cause I keep my sh-- together.
Oh, my God. You're all holding me to this
little accountable for every single goddamn word.
Brynn! Brynn! Then add "alleged."
It wasn't an allegation.
- You buried her. - It's not an allegation.
- ...horrible experience. - You literally ruined her.
Your whole reason to get mad at her was because she knew.
These were a couple of different conversations.
Your entire reason for getting angry at her was because she knew.
And you never for one second...
- I wasn't angry. - ...maybe she doesn't know.
I was hurt. I didn't understand why when she had clocked --
She made the cancer thing with Erin.
Then she went to Erin's room and was like, "Honey, I didn't know, I didn't know."
I don't understand that even then, even if --
Okay. Let's just assume.
Even if it's, like, totally just out of my ass.
Why is the reaction, "you,"
- not, "Oh, my God, honey"? - We were that way.
No, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about Ubah.
- We were, Brynn. - I didn't understand
why the reaction wasn't, "Oh, my God, honey."
We were so angry at Ubah.
It was the three of us in the room.
- Why wasn't the reaction -- - Because you said,
"I can't believe she's saying these things to me.
She knows I was raped. I told her I was raped."
The context of the conversation was,
- "I cannot believe..." - Hinging on that.
The context was hinging on the fact that she knew that.
And so they then were very upset with her
on your behalf because she knew that information.
- They were upset on your behalf. - If she knew that
and that's how she was talking to you,
- that's a very different thing. - We were literally in tears.
I couldn't eat. Could not eat dinner.
Literally could not even speak.
We were all devastated. We were all in tear--
Like, so on your -- Like, felt so badly for you.
And then we hear Ubah come out, and she was --
That was the moment where she swore that she did not do it,
and the look on her face was not dissimilar from the look
that you had, which was, like, completely broken.
And I was like, "Oh, this person did not know."
And that was the moment when I realized
that you were hinging a story on something so definitive,
but you weren't even really sure that she knew or not.
- That's damaging. - Damaging.
- Really damaging. - When I say something
to someone, I assume that they know it.
What's going through your mind, Ubah?
Do you remember the phone call before BravoCon?
Very, very clear.
Do you remember her telling you that?
She never said it.
That's why...
when -- when she told me -- when I ran to you, I ask you --
I said, "I'm a human being. Maybe you told me.
Maybe I don't know. Maybe I don't remember.
Tell me. When did you tell me that?
Remind me. Remind me, Brynn. Remind me."
And you didn't. You looked at me and you didn't tell me.
That's when I realized that it's not true.
You never told me. And you just --
- When did you say, "Remind me"? - In a corridor
when I came to ask you.
Ubah, you chased me down the hallway and grabbed at me.
- I did not chase you. - I did not chase you.
It's on camera. Can they bring that back?
I walked towards you.
And I heard...
...what you text her!
And I heard what you text her!
You said that you are worried about Ubah.
Do you remember when you said, "Ubah is not okay"?
What did you text her?
You said I was violent towards you?
"Lock the door."
I was violent towards you?!
Stop, stop. Ubah. Ubah, Ubah.
They pushed -- They put me in the room.
- I was violent towards you?! - Sit back. Sit back.
Since the day you met me,
you want to discredit me, you want to hurt me.
- No, I don't. You know that. - Let me tell you something.
I always feel for you. Always. Ask these people.
How many times do I stick up for Brynn?
- All the time. - All the time.
Always I speak up for you!
That's why you were my first call.
And then you go and do something like that
and tell Racquel and Jenna something like that?
It's up, man.
Brynn, you weaponized your experience
for the downfall of a friend. It is awful.
Oh, my God. Watch your language.
Do you not see the implications of these allegations?
It would be an allegation If I'm still sitting here
like, "Well, she knew and she did this on purpose."
Literally three minutes later, after saying it,
I was like, "In her defense, maybe she didn't clock it."
That's literally me owning up to it.
You didn't say, "In her defense."
- I did! - ...something is not like...
You're making this sound so trivial.
This is not trivial, Brynn.
You don't have to tell me
that this situation isn't trivial!
No, but you're making it seem like that!
You said she knew.
You guys, this is getting to be too much.
I'm telling you, Brynn.
This was a very wrong thing to do.
Very wrong thing to do.
But the good thing is, I forgive you.
I'm not mad at you.
But we will never go back to what we were. Ever.
I want nothing to do with you.
And I'm so hurt
because my relationship with you was not over.
I loved you and I wanted your friendship.
But we're done. I want to go back to when
I didn't know who the you are.
That's where we're going back.
So, Brynn, I guess --
What do you want to say to the other women?
You and Ubah have -- I feel like
you're not gonna get anywhere.
After all of it, not --
Every -- No one really comforted me.
I reached out to you daily. And then you blocked me.
I reached out to you immediately,
and you didn't want to talk about it.
- You completely shut down. - Yes.
Yeah, Jenna, sometimes people shut down.
I know. I'm just saying.
Don't say that we didn't reach out when we did.
I wanted to talk to you. I kept saying, "Are you good?"
We were concerned about you.
Erin and I spent a lot of time talking about you.
We were concerned about Ubah, too.
It was a sh-- situation, and there was a lot of pain.
- I'm still concerned for you. - I'm dealing with two things
that no woman should have to deal with in life.
And you guys are like,
"Well, you said one thing that was different,
and then you admitted that maybe you were confused in the moment
and you're a horrible person
and you're the worst person ever
and it was all this master plan to ruin people's lives."
- No one said that. - ...coming out of our mouths.
- No one said that. - Do you think there's anyone
here that doubts what happened to you?
You don't know?
I don't know.
After today, I mean, the fact that there's no, like --
- Please don't mix the two... - Do not mix them up.
Do not mix -- None of us -- None of us --
Erin, at the end of the season,
you said that there was some ownership
that you were looking for Brynn to take over the situation.
What is that?
I think just that Ubah did not know.
And I think that clarity and maybe that apology,
so we can all just move forward.
That's what I was hoping for.
I did say it. Did she know? Of course not. Of course not.
I love Ubah more than probably anyone here,
so I think that's why it hurt the most.
And it just hurt to hear when she got mad.
But I know she only says those things.
I know she didn't mean them, you know?
Ubah loves me. Ubah would murder the person for me.
Like...
Of course not. Of course not.
I'm really sorry.
I'm sorry.
That's very nice of Ubah.
Yeah.
Same.
- They love you. - No, they don't.
They do. They do.
Alright. Gonna leave it there.
I want to take a break. We'll be right back.
Gonna leave it there. Let's take a break.
And everybody kind of clear off.
I am sorry.
Hey. We have a quick little break just to reset.
Okay.
Why didn't you call me?
I have waited. And I'm scared.
And I'm scared that you're gonna be mad at me.
It's gonna take me a while. Maybe a long time. But...
- Don't say that. - No, no, no. Know one thing.
I love you, and I am not wishing you anything bad.
I know you don't have any ill intentions for me.
- You know. - We're good?
- Yeah. - Okay.
Hello. That mojo you got going on today.
- Love it. - I like it. I like it.
- I like it a lot. - Okay.
This is Jenna Lyons.
That's my mother bookworm.
That's who I've been looking for the whole time!
I don't want to see you upset. You're lovely.
You're a beautiful human being. All I've ever said
the past six months or when anything sh-- come out,
I was like, "No. Ubah has a good heart.
No. I know she's a good person."
- I take your apology. - Really, though --
I do. Truly. Truly. I do forgive you. I swear.
And I'm sorry for what I said. I don't mean it.
I know.
I'm so proud of you.
Most women don't want to come forward to this
because they're worried they're not gonna be believed.
It's not an easy thing to share.
But you're gonna help a lot of people.
And I'm really sorry you went through this.
I don't know how many tears I've shed over what...
You did shed a lot of tears.
- I shed so many tears. - You did. You shed a lot.
There is no way she can say that
we're making light of what happened to her at all.
It's a very dark situation. And it's awful.
I know. I know. I know. I know.
I feel bad for her. I really do.
I'm starting to feel bad for her, too.
- I feel terrible for her. - I know you do.
She's human. She's human. She is not --
- That girl is -- - She's broken.
She needs -- She needs love and attention.
And all she's getting is --
Hurt people hurt people. That's how it works.
We'll get through this.
- You can. - How?
You can. I'm gonna go pee...
- Okay. - Is that your phone?
- Yeah. - I'm gonna go pee.
- Ginger ale. - It's ginger ale.
It's ginger ale.
I don't know what the problem is.
Do you know what we've been through?!
- Yeah, we need it. - I don't get...
Just give us a second!
- Medicine! - Aah!
Am I gonna be the only one sitting here?
Guess so.
Just sitting here waitin'.
Ohh.
Hi.
I'm just the pig here sitting over here.
Thank you.
Can I put some blush on my face, too?
Brynn, sweetheart.
And I -- My heart was broken for you.
And -- And we -- we all love you...
And we just want all of us back together.
Alright?
We all really, really love you.
- Thank you. Appreciate that. - But I don't want you
ever thinking that we don't love you and we --
our hearts aren't broken for what you've been through.
Okay?
I don't want you feeling like we don't support you.
Okay? We are here for you. Anything you need. Everything.
You cry -- You cry like it hits too close to home.
Okay, okay, okay. I can tell.
Yeah.
Okay. I can tell.
You get it. You get it.
Thank you, boo-boo.
God. I'm ready to go home.
So this is your first one.
So last year was more fun.
Okay.
Ladies, stand by.
Five, four, three...
We are back with final thoughts
from "The Real Housewives of New York City"
season-15 reunion.
We've just taken a long break.
Oh, Jenna was serving in her glasses,
- but you just took them off. - I felt bad.
Oh, okay. Um, we just took a long break.
Anyone have anything else they want to get off their chest
or feel that needs to be said?
- I do. - I want to say something.
- I do. - Oh. Great. Okay.
- I'm gonna go first. - I'll wait. I'll be last.
- Okay. - I talked a lot of crap
about Erin this season.
I said how she was a gaslighter, amongst other things.
Well, mainly just the gaslighting thing.
Erin has really had my back,
and she has really listened in a time of need for me.
I've had a really rough year, as well.
- Thank you. - I know I talk crap about you,
but I really love you and I'm really excited for our baby.
- Thank you. - I'm really happy.
- She's a good friend. - Nice.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Jenna, you should be last.
- What do you want to say? - Same thing.
- Same thing? - Yeah.
Erin, you do know that we are very, very close.
- Even Sai knows that. - I know. We're all --
That's why it was really hard to see all that sh--
You two talking.
There's a lot of lying and gaslighting.
- So much of it. - It's happened to Jenna.
She's finally experiencing
what Erin has done to all of us.
- Like, I never did that to you. - I know.
- I'm so sorry. - Thank you. I appreciate it.
- Thank you, guys. - And she has been there for me quite a bit.
Jenna?
I, through a lot of therapy,
have learned that you can be upset with someone and angry
and still care for them.
And, Brynn, I know this has been incredibly hard for you.
And I just don't want you to think that we don't love you.
All we talk about is that we're worried about you.
- Yeah. - Because we know that
you're going through it. It doesn't mean that we're not mad
or frustrated about some of the things that you've done,
but the two things can exist at the same time.
So we all have talked about this.
We care about you very deeply. We see that you are struggling.
And we are not looking to ostracize you or cut you out.
We're not trying to, like, push you aside.
- We all care about you deeply. - Thank you.
And I think it's the first time that I've ever in my life
had that, where people can care about you
and not hurt you at the same time,
so it just feels foreign.
But I always say to people
apologies don't mean sh--, words don't mean anything.
So you prove things with actions.
But for what it's worth, I'm horribly sorry
for multiple things, especially with Jessel.
And I'm going to fix that.
If I have to get a microphone on the Empire State Building
and correct it, I will.
Um, and I'm sorry to Ubah.
And the one thing that I've wanted the most
in the past several months -- I just wanted to hug Ubah.
And I'm glad I got to hug Ubah.
And I want to stop being avoidant.
And I want to just be honest about where I'm at and what's going on.
And I want to be a better friend to you guys.
That's great. That's really nice.
Well, that was really beautiful.
And I want to end the reunion on an even sweeter note.
So I brought in one of Naomi Watts'
infamous pavlovas for us all to share.
- It's gorgeous! - Now, how do we serve this?
- Jenna, what do you think? - We just all eat it?
- Okay. Let's all get up. - Watch out for the cockroaches.
This is a group.
I promise you that there are no roaches in there.
- Thank you. - This is a different...
One, two, three!
Wow. Mmm!
Oh, my God! There's a roach!
- Oh, my God. - Sai, you said it yourself.
When this group is good, it is so good.
So I hope today was a first step in restoring a path forward.
With that said, I want to thank
The Real Housewives of New York City
for another great reunion.
- Whoo! - Thanks.
- We did it, girls! - We did!
Ooh!
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get going.
Alright, kids. Let's go change and get out of here.