It was a very short putt.
It would seem routine had he not just come off a bogey the hole before.
Mm-hmm, obviously smarting from that.
But let's see what he does here.
Oh perfect. Textbook, textbook.
We move ahead now to Lee Trevino on the fairway at the seventh.
His lie looks as though he may be in a little divot.
Absolutely. Tournament officials have been cracking down
on caddies filling in the divots.
At this level of the game, some of us got to watch the etiquette of golf.
Just go to sleep.
A lovely approach.
He's considering it now. I presume that a player like...
Sand wedge or intermediate pitching wedge.
Oh, very exciting. He's lining up the shot.
Look at me.
Hmm?
I am not standing for this.
Sorry?
You keep my soul in a dungeon.
I am leaving.
Jack?
- Jack. - If you leave me, I will throw her.
You think that I won't, hmm?
- Please. - Do you think I won't?
I won't leave. I won't leave you.
I am sorry. Don't ever do that again.
Don't ever leave me. Don't ever do that again.
# All things bright and beautiful #
# All creatures great and small #
# All things wise and wonderful #
# The Lord God made them all #
I invite you to be seated at this time.
Oh, that's a very nice touch.
So maybe he can make a par. And at worse from there
you'd think he could stay his point total.
Now here we find him with a 7-iron at this par-3 hole.
I don't know if there was a problem
with him slipping with his right foot there, but definitely a pull.
He obviously had the thought in his head
that he needed to give it a little bit extra,
and he's found himself in a difficult spot.
All the expectations he had coming into this,
- Hello? - Jack.
Betsy.
Your brother slipped away.
Oh oh,
finally out of his misery.
- Yes, he is. - Oh, I know, I know.
And how many times did I hear, "Why can't you be like your brother Bobby"?
If I had a nickel for every time that was said to me...
I'd be a rich man today.
That scar on his forehead that he had,
he always had a story for it,
but it was me. I threw a hammer at Mr. Perfect when I was eight.
He never told though. He covered for the people he loved.
That's how he was and I loved him for that.
And I wanted to be like him.
Everything...
I just want to say that...
If it wasn't for Bobby, I'd...
I- I don't know...
Where I would have wound up.
He taught me how to live, what was right.
I am going to miss him.
He lived right. He lived right. He was...
What more could you s... want people to say about you?
All throughout Scripture it talks about God being a just God.
I mean, I just read the parable about the unjust judge,
where the woman kept coming and coming and saying...
Caring, loving, forgiving...
I am wondering if you concur with what you have heard so far?
I think that the choices, the idea of free will,
and the fact that we have freedom of choice...
The reality of the times we live in,
this notion that- this angst that a lot of people are feeling in this country,
that we have gone through some sort of fundamental transformation...
"Barack Obama earlier today, crediting
his so-called stimulus package that he signed four or five months ago,
as "putting cash into the pockets of taxpayers."
If you're a taxpayer in the Detroit area
who got cash in your pocket from the stimulus plan,
I'd love to hear from you, and you can also check in via the internet,
but we would love to hear from you personally.
Kevin in Warren. We go to Kevin. Kevin thanks so much for calling.
Welcome.
Hi, Pam.
Thanks.
No, it's true.
With God is my witness, I have changed.
With Jesus and my family...
Oh my God, I am sorry for what I have done.
I mean, I robbed a goddamn liquor store with a toy gun.
What kind of... what kind of idiot does that?
Warden wants to see you.
Hi, Allie.
- Hi, Mitch. Janice. - Jack.
- What's up? - Shut the door, Jack.
This Deshawn Mackey guy.
- This is yours? Your report, right? - Yeah. Yeah. Why?
It's an incompetent mess, Jack.
I mean, look, I know your head's already out on the golf course,
but this is a travesty of proper casework here.
- I got you. - You got me.
Here. Learn from the master of understatement.
- Absolutely. - Keep them brief.
Now I need to get Janice up to speed before you're out the back door,
so let's pass all your indeterminates eligible off to her.
Yeah yeah, of course, but I'd like to stay on my currents,
if I can see them through to review... is that okay?
Yeah, if you're willing.
- I would like to. Thank you. - Yeah.
- We're good. - Okay.
Oh, hey, I am sorry.
Excuse me?
Your brother... I just recently heard, I am sorry.
Thank you.
- Okay. - Yeah.
S-Stone.
Hmm?
No, I-I am Stone.
I mean, I know it say "Gerald" in the file,
but I am just saying I prefer Stone.
Gerald Creeson. So what's Stone, like a nickname?
That's something from here?
No. Oh no, man. Fuck all these assholes.
Yo, that's what my people call me. You know, people who know me.
Look, are we just going to, like... are you just going to tick the boxes and shit?
I mean, can we... can we talk straight?
I mean, you going to help me out or what? because I, you know, I don't think
- I deserve to be up in here no more. - Let's just slow down. Slow slow down.
I have done a long bid, man. Three more years ain't going to...
Slow down. Let's... let's talk about what got you here.
- You want to tell me about that? - it's right there in front of you.
- Why you want to talk about that again? - because now you're mine.
You moved up.
And just because I like to chat.
All these scrubs in here, you know, these short-timers and meatballs,
they're like, they're all innocent, right?
Yeah. But at least I admit it.
You know, I copped to what I did right away,
and-and now I am looking forward, man.
I got a job lined up and I am saying,
why I got to talk about that shit every fucking time?
because I want to hear your side of it, that's why.
You know what? Just fuck this shit. Fuck you too.
- I ain't got time for this bullshit. - Hey, son...
No, you're just setting them up so they can flop me, man.
So you write what you're going to write and let's just get on with it, man.
- because I will take the flop. - Hey, son. Stone.
- Go ahead, max me, max me. - Son, calm down.
You don't think I will do it, I will see that max standing
- on my fucking head, man. - Stone.
I will see you outside before you see me, bitch.
Stone. In about two fucking seconds you're going to
go in the hole, and your file is going to go to the bottom of my pile.
You understand? You see that door in front of you?
You know where it goes... back.
You want to go back? Be my guest.
You want to go forward, you want to walk out of here,
you want to find that door? Me, I am that door.
And you will go through me. If I ask you a question about the weather,
you better fucking answer it or go back and I will see you in three years.
- You got it? - Yeah.
- Then sit the fuck down. - All right.
Well, we just shooting the shit.
I like her, man. She's hard.
Okay. All right, look,
look, this is a process.
We talk.
We're not friends, but just pretend we're friends, okay?
Relax, just-just talk, that's all,
and then maybe we both get what we want, okay?
- Okay, let's pretend. - Okay.
You're married.
Yeah.
Okay, that's good.
How long are you married?
Nine years, man... eight of it up in this shit.
It's right in the file, man. I don't want...
Let's talk about your wife.
- Lucetta? - Mm-hmm, yeah.
- Has she come up here? You seen her? - No.
- She's a dime, dawg. - What's a dime?
Perfect 10, man. She's fine.
I will tell you, between you and me,
she's-she's a alien.
Alien? What do you mean, like an illegal?
No, she ain't illegal, man. She's whiter than you.
No, she's like... she's like a...
she's an alien from another world, man.
She visit you much? Picnics most Saturdays?
I don't want no picnic, man. I miss my dick in her fucking ass.
You know, I miss her sucking me till I can't take no more.
I mean, she's crazy. She will do anything.
Fuck her tits, come in her face, she will just blink and keep on laughing, man.
It's... she...
look, if we going to talk about Lucetta, you better watch out,
because I am going to give you some pictures in your head
going to keep you up nights, man.
Oh man.
I am sorry, I am sorry. I-I got a mouth, I know.
I apologize, man. You're giving me that look,
and I feel like you go down here and that's the end of this shit.
Look, I don't want no beef with you.
I just want to be vegetarian.
Is that your wife? You're married?
Yeah.
- A long time? - 43 years.
Get the fuck out.
Man, that's true love, huh?
That's great, and after 43 years and you still get it on and everything?
- Excuse me? - No, I am really curious about this.
It's like, say, I love my lady, right,
but, you know, I wonder sometimes,
like how you going to do when the skin starts to go to the crepe,
you know what I am saying? I mean, what do... how does that work for you?
Like you get hip to Viagra, so you can like hammer nails with it?
Listen listen, look, I don't talk with anybody about my wife like that.
I ain't talking about your wife. I am saying, for me,
you know, I have been locked up a long time.
You don't need much more than two pumps and a swirl to get it done.
I don't consider this polite conversation.
I ain't trying to be rude, okay? I really want to know
where does that go?
Or where do you put it, if you...
you get what I am saying?
I want to know how it works for you,
how you keep a lid on that.
We're not... we're not talking about me.
We're not talking about me, okay?
Man looks on the outward appearance.
God looks on the heart.
And certainly the heart of a man does matter,
because out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...
Only in the choices that God decides to present to us.
Well, no, I am not saying that.
I am saying that I just believe that we're automatons...
...and here's the deal:
- I did not choose to be born... - This is very very serious.
...and I cannot choose to be born again.
She's four... can you believe it?
I had no choice in that matter whatsoever, and yet
- there are so many people that... - Where have you gone?
...think they have a choice in the matter
of their spiritual rebirth and their spiritual formation.
The fact of the matter is, a seed is planted and conception takes place,
- which you had nothing to do with. - Amen.
All Voices Under God, WDDL,
will continue here right after these very important messages.
Look, we was high as shit and we were looking for money.
You know? My poppy hears us.
Him and Teach have words.
Poppy goes and gets his gun.
And I was like, "Fuck this. I don't want no part of this,"
and I went outside.
So then, Teach done what he done and then the house got burnt.
It was... you know, it was terrible.
I was like a terrible mistake that I made.
I was tragic and it was a long time ago
and I have paid... I have paid...
With a lot of hard time.
And I just think, you know, I am so ready to be out
and start my life again,
and well, so what...
you know, what-what-what can we do to make that happen?
How can you help me make that happen?
Well, we will see.
We were just getting started, so...
A lot of good things have happened for me in here, you know.
I did my GED like that, man.
I held down this job... Textiles Unit,
number one position the last two years.
I am going home to my wife. She's got a spot for me, you know,
Mount Elliot Chrysler, job lined up.
- I am-I am going, you know. - Yeah, whose idea was it?
Lucetta... she knows the branch manager at Mount Elliot.
No no, not your job.
Whose idea was it to go to your grandparent's?
- What? - Whose idea was it?
I told you... I told you it was Teach.
Teach, you know.
Like I said, I wasn't even...
I was... I went outside the house.
Yeah, but you didn't stop them, did you?
- Stop them what? - From killing your grandparents.
You-you-you ain't going to do it, man.
You're not going to...
You don't give a fuck, man. Shit.
I was outside,
Teach... Teach come out,
and I didn't even know what he'd done until he told me.
Teach testified to that, man.
He... that's why I didn't even catch the rap
for-for manslaughter.
I got accessory and arson.
I have done eight out of 10-15.
I mean, what-what more do you want from me?
Okay, so,
let's make today
an extra special day.
Let's do one nice thing for someone else,
but not tell anyone else that we did it, okay?
Win with the seventh deuce, it's 10 bucks for everybody.
Win both ways with the seven deuce,
- 20 bucks a head. - Jacks wild?
Jacks definitely not wild.
Marsha, stay in?
Hello?
- Hi, is this Jack Mabry's place? - Excuse me?
Oh, my name is Lucetta Creeson. My husband's...
Excuse me, I couldn't understand what...
- Can I speak to Jack Mabry? - Well, this is Mrs. Mabry.
Okay, can I speak to Jack?
You need my husband. I can give him a mess...
- Hey, you get ahold of him? - She was a little short.
You know? Like, I don't know. Like she didn't want to talk or something.
Why-why-why you talking to her?
Hey, Tommy, Tommy, we don't bite.
Huh-uh, no biting, okay?
Do you understand what I am saying? I need you to do this for me right now.
Right now. Don't let it slide.
Okay, I will.
Okay? Call him tonight.
Call him tomorrow. Call him tomorrow night.
Call him the day after. Call him the day after tomorrow night.
That's what I am getting at is do you believe what you did was wrong?
What-what did you think, because I grew up westside
that like I am one of these socio-delinquent types,
don't know the difference between right and wrong?
You want me to tell you about my bad childhood and shit?
I don't know. Did you have one?
Well, you know, at the time, I thought a lot of shit was normal.
It was definitely unhealthy,
but on the same token, you know, I didn't think
I was a bad person to begin with.
So, you know, I mean, what, you want to know
if I am going to light any more grandparents on fire?
- Are you? - No.
- You got any more? - Yeah, I got one.
Yeah well, try to make a better effort with that one.
I am not trying to be flip.
I think I deserve to be free, I do.
Why, because you did the time?
That's it, you're ready? Now you're a clean slate?
I am clean as anybody, man. I am clean as you.
Well, maybe, maybe not.
Seriously, let me ask you something, you know.
Why are you... why are you... why are you going to sit there,
like, asking me these questions like you never done nothing?
I mean, you know, why do you get to walk around free and I don't?
I wasn't convicted of a crime.
Oh, come you never did anything bad?
Never did anybody no wrong, had to be forgiven for nothing?
No, never broke the law.
What, you never got a speeding ticket?
You never backed somebody up in a bar fight or something?
Shit, Vietnam you never killed some kid... you carry that with you?
You step out on your wife,
you fuck that little 15-year-old who looked at you sideways?
- Okay okay. - No, come on, man. Come on.
How long you get to keep judging a person for one bad thing they done?
No matter how much I paid, I got to keep eating shit with you?
For how long?
That ain't right. It ain't.
I mean, I am begging you, man. I am begging you.
I am a person. I am a person. Look at my record, you know.
Look at... look at what I have done in here.
I mean, I am different than when I come in here, man.
I have grown a lot. I am like fucking reborn, man.
What does that mean to you, being reborn?
What?
What does that mean to you?
Hi. Yeah, I am back.
- Hey, Mrs. Creeson. - Hey, Jake.
Thanks. Bye, guys.
Creeson.
Oh, the rows look so nice. I like them thick, baby.
- Yeah? - It looks really good.
- I have been using that mousse you sent. - Yeah?
because Crystal said you put the rag on before you go to sleep,
and when you wake up they're still all clean and nice... they look really good.
They look tight. You look so fucking good.
I miss you so much.
What have you got to tell me? I mean...
Well, I called him
and he didn't call me back, so I left another message.
Okay, that's good, but you know you got to get with him person to person.
- I am on it. Baby, I am on it. - One on one, you know what I am saying?
I got to have you with me on it. I can't do this by myself.
Anything.
I would do anything for you, you know that, right?
Yeah.
Okay okay.
Baby, I wore something special for you.
Did you? What did you wear?
- Nothing. - Oh God.
You're killing me.
Oh no. Okay okay okay.
- What? - This is too much. No no.
Come on. No no, I am sorry. Just come on. Come here, come here.
Honey?
I can't get no ticket.
I can't get a ticket, you understand, right?
I am too close.
- Baby. Baby. - Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, I am so close.
- What am I going to do? - It's going to happen.
- I can't do much more of this. - Don't worry.
I can't. I ain't going to make it.
I am serious, Lucetta.
I just think I want... like I want to kill myself.
You don't even joke like that, okay?
Don't joke.
I love you.
You want something to eat? I got some cream puffs
and some animal crackers and some milk and stuff.
"That the Father may be glorified..."
"... the embrace of sin, the individual
achieves perfect metaphysical pitch
and transforms himself
into a tuning fork of God."
I am trying to improve myself here, you motherfuckers.
This is Jack and Madylyn Mabry.
Please leave a message.
Hi. Hey, this is Lucetta Creeson.
Um, I called before. I am Stoney Creeson's wife.
I spoke to Mrs. Mabry,
but Mr. Mabry, this is for you.
I would like to talk to you about my husband.
Um, it's kind of important to us.
And I work most mornings, but...
well, no, look, I could rearrange things,
so whenever's good for you is fine with me.
Shit.
I wasn't done.
Who goes to sleep at 9:00?
Hi.
Mr. Mabry?
- Officer Mabry? - Sorry?
Mrs. Creeson... I am Stoney's wife.
Oh oh, Mrs. Creeson.
Look, call me Lucetta though, please.
You're here to see your husband?
No, silly, I am here to see you.
Wait, I am sorry, didn't you get my message?
Oh yeah, okay. Well, there's a way to meet with family, Mrs. Creeson.
You have to go through the office for me to see you.
- Oh right. - The case officer too...
meet and assess the home situation.
- That's-that's how we... - See, that's the thing though, sir,
because, I mean, I am the home situation.
- Mrs. Creeson, just call the office... - Lucetta.
Lucetta. Just call the office and make an appointment.
- That's the way you have to do it. - Can't I just talk to you for a while?
I mean, can't we just, sort of just you and me make a date or something?
- No, we can't. - Please please.
You know how much this means to us.
If you're coming to see your husband, fine, but we can't do it any other way.
And I am late, really.
Well, Mr. Mabry,
Mr. Mabry, I wanted to give you a little something
- my kids made in class. - Yeah, I can't accept that.
- It's inappropriate. Thank you anyway. - But it's for the birds, see?
And they... it's a nest and they come and they take their twine
and their twigs and stuff and they make their little home.
Thank you.
Okay.
- Nice to meet you. - Thank you.
Okay.
What the hell is this?
- What's that? - This... your wife.
What, she sent it to you?
She gave it to me in the parking lot just now.
Wait, what, Lucetta come and find you?
She gave that to me in the parking lot. Don't mess with me.
I ain't looking for any kind of trouble with you, you know.
I hope you didn't put her up to it.
The parole board's going to send you a flop in the mail
and you won't even see them.
Lucetta does whatever the fuck she wants. I told you, man.
She's just boisterous.
Jesus, what a week.
Hey hey, I want to see what you think about something.
You ever... you seen this?
I found it in the library.
"Zukangor, The Sound and Life God."
Yeah, you know it?
No.
They say the sound part come first.
They say the... when you experience
a spiritual truth
that it comes to you as a sound,
that it goes through you,
changes your vibration, gets you back into harmony.
Like God's tuning fork or something.
And then if you let that happen to you,
then-then you get the light,
or you get illumination or something.
I wouldn't know about that. I am an Episcopalian.
They say it starts with small things, like little sounds, little vibrations,
like a... just like a buzzing electric light
or rushing water or the sound of a bee or...
- Yeah? - Yeah.
And then it grows.
But there's no priest or nothing. it's not like a religion.
There's just this one dude named Arnold who's the Zukmaster.
They say you do this practice all by yourself.
You can-- you can hear better.
You can hear God speaking to you through sounds.
What's the practice?
- They chant "Hue." - Hue?
- And then they listen. - For what, a bee?
Maybe, I don't know.
But you know, the thing is
they say you got to keep coming back
until you pay for all your shit.
That you have got to fix it
over a lot of lives, you know, until you work it all out.
Well, what about this life?
What about answering for the things that you have done in this life?
Shit, I know I have.
Have you?
Yeah. Have you?
This is the body of Christ, given for you.
The body of Christ, given for you.
- I will be right back. - Sure.
Here, you drive home.
I am going to talk to the pastor a minute and then I will walk.
Okay.
Hey yo, foul, bitch.
Damn, that's a hard foul.
Yo, that's a foul.
Hue...
Man, you should have dunked it.
Okay, I have never done this before, so...
well, I mean, I come to the...
Church every week and I really try.
And I don't know, I mean, I guess I had hoped with time
it would be easier and easier and...
And I'd be...
My family, people close to me,
it seems to come to them easily, but for me it's...
I mean I have...
I don't know.
I mean I have...
Sometimes the thoughts that I have,
feelings...
But, uh, sometimes
I just think maybe you should shoot me or something.
Well, I don't believe that that's what God wants for you.
Well, what does he want?
I wish I had a simple answer for you.
I am not sure what God wants for you.
Is there anything...
There's an old Biblical passage that says...
"Be still and know that I am God."
Which is a way of saying
sometimes God does, um,
speak to us in mysterious ways.
Off the rail.
I said off the rail.
Hue...
Hello?
Hi, this is Lucetta Creeson. We talked last week.
I am sorry, what is your name again?
Lucetta Creeson.
I was just wondering if Jack was home.
I am afraid he's still... oh no, wait, hold on.
- Jack, telephone. - Who is it? Who? Who is it?
A friend of yours?
- Hello. - Hey.
It's Lucetta Creeson.
Listen, I was just wondering, um,
when we could meet, when we could get together.
Uh, Mrs. Creeson, I don't know how you're calling my house,
but I told you to call the office.
Well, look, I am just,
I am not that great at offices and, you know,
I just... I just can't be real, like, in an office, you know?
- Look, Mrs. Creeson... - Lucetta.
Mrs. Creeson, I have business with your husband.
Well, that's why I am calling.
I mean, what, did you think I had another reason?
Well, no, I didn't.
Maybe we could go to lunch, you could bring Mrs. Mabry too.
You know, she's got a sweet voice. What's her first name?
Look, I admire that you love your husband
and you want to do what's right for him,
but you're not helping him. I am telling you that right now.
Listen to me, Jack.
I do love my husband.
I love my husband
so much.
And all I am asking you is for a chance
to help you see him in a different light.
I mean, how many men at that place you work at
have somebody loving them like that, huh?
Doesn't that mean something to you,
a man in a position like yours?
It-it... no, it-it does, it does. Don't misunderstand me.
I just want him home.
I want... I want him so bad.
I want his arms around me.
I want him in my bed.
I miss him.
Can't I persuade you?
Who's it going to hurt, hmm?
Just let me come see you, please.
Let me come see you, Jack.
I got him.
It's going to happen, baby.
Huh. Honey, you okay?
I am so fucking tired.
Can't you sleep?
No, it's too loud all the time.
So noisy I can't...
I can't get out of my head.
I can't hear nothing. I can't listen.
This place is starting to mess with my head.
I am telling you, I am having these weird-ass dreams.
Poor honey.
I thought I wanted to kill myself, right?
Thought I wanted to hang myself in the solitary.
I don't get it. You dreamed that?
But then I got too scared to die
and I just hung there for all of eternity.
I don't want to fucking be here.
Honey.
Honey, what'd you have to eat that night?
It must have been something. Was it spicy?
- Shoot it. - All right, let's go.
That's the grandson I have been telling you about right there.
- How cute. - His eyes are so...
I got a grandchild.
Do you really?
Yeah. Her name's Katie, three years old.
- Cute. - Oh, yeah. Yeah, very cute.
Does she look like you?
Hell no. No no no.
I bet she loves you though.
- Yeah well... - You see her much?
They live upstate, so we don't see her that much.
Aw, that's too bad.
She's getting a divorce, my daughter.
- I am sorry. - What are you going to do?
People are going to do what they're going to do.
Are you in pain?
Yeah, it's just my back.
Oh. What'd you get that,
playing ball or like from some war?
No no, it's just life.
So I don't know if I can...
I don't want you to get your hopes up.
About what?
What I can do for you, for your husband.
- There's a whole system... - Have you tried magnet therapy?
For your back, I mean. it's like these magnets that you wear and stuff.
- Magnets? - Yeah, it's really good.
Actually, you should come over sometime,
because I got these insoles this guy sold me
and I wear them in my shoes
and I don't get tired in school or anything.
And... yeah, and sometimes
I even put them under my pillow before I go to sleep.
And what does that do?
Well, okay,
you know how we're all toxic and stuff, right,
with like all the microwaves and cell phones
and all that weird stuff flying through the air.
So it all builds up inside of you, right,
and it makes you all achy and upset...
and it can give you brain tumors, really...
I mean, it kills people.
So these magnets, they detox you.
- Wow, that's... - Yeah, it's real. I believe it.
You don't believe it?
I don't know, I guess.
No, it's real.
I mean, look, I am all into the body, you know,
and for me if the body's feeling good,
the mind just follows, you know?
Absolutely.
Egg?
My kids made them.
Now I got them all and I have to eat them.
They're nice. They're pretty.
Eat me please.
Why not?
I am just eating the healthy part.
Go on, just eat the whole thing.
Creeson, what's up? You haven't been to chow in two days.
You got a call out to go to Medical. Get dressed.
Hold up there.
You feel anything?
No.
Like a tingling?
No, I don't. I don't think I...
Like a pull?
It's not dramatic, you know.
It's just... it's kind of a sense.
Yeah well, you know, maybe a little something.
Yeah.
"To what extent is my commitment to obey God
based on dos and don'ts
or on a true love for Him?"
Hmm.
"In what recent circumstance was I aware of God's leading?"
Why don't you say the blessing?
Yeah.
Blessed O Lord...
blessed O Lord,
this food to our use, and us to Thy loving service,
and...
Make us mindful of the needs of others...
- In Christ's name, Amen. - Amen.
You lose your place?
You want an egg?
Sin comes naturally to us from our birth.
We-we... it's inbred in us.
We are not sinners because we sin.
we sin because we are sinners.
Even if you lived a life of perfect righteousness,
you deserve hell. You know why?
Because "all of our righteousnesses," Isaiah says,
"are as filthy rags."
You're real sweet, Jack.
You're real sweet.
Fuck me harder.
You're good, Jack.
You're a good man for helping us,
I appreciate it.
You know that nobody can know about this.
You know that, right?
I mean nobody.
That's very important.
Whatever you want, it will all go bad if anybody knows.
Bad for everybody, you understand that?
Of course, silly.
What's wrong? You're not eating?
You ever think about things they say go on forever?
What?
Things they say go on forever... like...
What's that mean, you know?
The sky, like, they say the sky goes on forever.
But what is that really? That's...
I mean, you can't see nothing you can't see, so...
It's like a big bowl of blue above you.
You can see clouds during the day
or you can see stars at night maybe,
but even with a telescope you can't see forever.
So how do they know?
Know what?
What it is.
Eternity... how do they know?
So-so, Jack,
he said the board's going to review the whole thing, okay?
And they're going to take into consideration
your age and, you know,
your mom and all that,
and the fact that you were an addict back then, um...
- hey, Stoney baby? - Hmm?
Look at me.
Well, I was trying to tell you about your parole.
Yeah?
Well, you weren't listening.
Oh yeah, I am listening.
I am.
Okay, so Jack said, um...
You call him Jack?
Sure.
That's good. What's he say?
Okay, so, um, he's going to talk to you
and he's going over the whole thing
and he's going to decide in a few days to write up his notes in your case file
to submit it to the parole commission so when they go over it next week
they're going to see it. isn't that great, baby?
Honey, this could be it. isn't that great?
Yeah.
Didn't-didn't-didn't I do good?
Well, look at me.
What are you doing?
Sometimes I think the best thing is...
Is just-just listen.
Would you stop playing?
Is the kingdom of heav... you think it should be a peaceful kingdom
- and we should all get along? - That's great, but is it just going
- to be a constant struggle... - That's a tough one.
...to have the kingdom of heaven here on earth?
Crack 53.
Just tell me, is it the 30th or the 31st?
I have had about enough lip from you.
Goddamn it, just tell me, which one is it?
You can button that up right now and be nice. And I mean it.
Creeson's here.
How do ask a person to...
To explain something that...
that they experienced
to where another person's got no way
to relate to the whole indefiniteness of it, you know?
You don't believe me already, do you?
I am not saying I don't believe you. I just, you know, I...
look, I have seen the tape, it's quite a thing.
But nothing happened to you. I mean, you weren't involved in any way.
Yeah, look, I don't know how to even...
I am not...
I don't know. I...
You had, what, a profound
spiritual epiphany.
Shit, man, I ain't never even heard that word before.
Look, we don't have to talk about it.
You know, it really don't matter.
Well...
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd like to believe in such things, but...
Like what? Like me? You believe in me?
Sure, I'd like to believe in you too. I mean that's why we're all here, right?
Wow.
Okay, you know, wait, look,
there were something like...
It was just a moment.
The static,
it just all went away, you know?
And I could really hear,
like I could hear clear, for real.
I don't know. It just made me see everything different.
It made me look at my life in a different way.
It was just all of a sudden I could... I could see that
my life in here isn't empty and pointless like I thought it was before.
Family and...
- Look, Stone, just drop it. - Drop what?
Well, I know what you're trying to do, but don't.
Just-just-just don't. it's not helping. Just stop.
Hey look, man,
it don't matter to me no more.
- What doesn't matter? - I don't care about what...
what you're doing or what anybody else is trying to make you do.
Make me do? What's that? Nobody's trying to make me do anything.
Okay.
You should do what you think is right, okay?
I am whatever you say I am in there, so write what you feel.
Seriously. I mean it. I mean, judge me how you think.
- Well... - I mean, don't get me wrong,
I want to be out,
but I am going to wrestle with the same shit if I am out.
And I am going to keep this feeling if I am in.
So you're all good now?
No no no. Look, I ain't saying I am all happy all of a sudden.
You know, my middle finger's been up a long time, man.
I am not just going to start waving and smiling at people.
I am going to pop off. I am going to lose my temper, and...
and say shit and do shit that I am going to regret, whatever.
I just... I just... I am who I am, you know?
And that's okay. You know what I am saying?
No. No, I am afraid I don't.
Well, I told you I couldn't explain it really.
- Are you okay? - Yeah. My back.
I am going to go sleep in the other room. Oh.
You can take great comfort in that,
but that can be a false comfort.
Sometimes in the twilight of a civilization,
there can be a great cultural flowering,
but in reality, there are cracks in the foundation of that society
and that society is doomed.
If you really want to know,
I think it's some kind of play-acting or something.
It's all bullshit?
No. No. Look, Stoney's just...
You know. I mean, he's screwed up.
He's got weird ideas about things.
Sometimes really weird.
But, I mean, he's always been that way.
Talking to him,
he almost seemed like...
Like what?
Something... really, I don't know. Different.
No.
Look, he's just trying to impress you, you know,
trying to do whatever it takes to get out.
Can you blame him?
- No, it's okay. - What?
Hey, sit down.
Come on. Come on, sit down.
Sit down.
Look, he admires you a lot, you know.
He told me he learned a lot talking to you.
Can you be straight?
Straight as you.
Is this all just a... I mean,
just-just-just tell me what's going on.
I don't do anything I don't want to do.
I like you.
I like you, Jack.
I would never fuck you if I didn't want to.
Well, thanks.
God, you're beautiful, you know.
You're beautiful.
Thank you.
I am not going to come over here anymore.
- You're not? - No.
Okay.
Maybe I should just take
some antidepressants or something, I don't know.
- Yes you will. - What?
It's okay though.
I don't mind when they say, "Oh no, no more,"
because then I just sit back and wait.
But you will call,
won't you, or drop by?
Like maybe late again some night, won't you?
Oh God.
Look, I don't care if you deny it. It's funny to me.
St-- stop this now.
I think about you so much, Jack. All day long I am thinking about you.
I think about you at work.
Don't say that.
You're sexy, Jack,
and you know if you let Stone out,
we can still be friends too. He won't know.
He won't even care.
Look, I do what I do because I am on my own, okay?
And I got to make my own way, so don't you want to help us?
- Don't you want to help me? - Don't talk like that.
I can't. It's not that simple.
You can't leave, can you?
It's sweet.
What the hell am I doing? Goddamn it.
Oh, come on, Jack. He's a good man at heart.
You really believe that?
Yeah, I do.
No different than you and me.
Do you go to church?
Hell no. There's no such thing as God.
They called again. They need the Creeson report.
I just sent it.
You don't have to yell. I am on the intercom.
You got your RGC recommendation.
Vocational counseling,
psych therapy, GED, NA, NA program.
So the board needs to decide
if it's safe to let you back into the world,
that you're not a danger to yourself or others.
Rehabilitated, right?
Yeah.
You know, in my book it says
that chronic neck pain comes from being hanged in another life.
Well, it's my back. It's not my neck.
Well, I am just making conversation.
Look, if you're not interested in the details
of your hearing, we're done here.
- Done? - We're done.
- How do you mean we're done? - My report's already sent. We're done.
Basically they want to hear that you take responsibility for your actions.
See, the thing about that, I don't know.
About what?
It's funny, you know, because you're always asking me about that night...
how it made me feel.
You know, when my cousin come out of the house
and got me and we went back inside...
It was trippy, man, because like two minutes before,
You know, my poppy,
he was... he was alive. There was color in his face.
There was light in his eyes.
And then I go inside there and...
And then I see them
lying there all over everywhere.
There was this buzzing in my ears, you know,
and I thought it was just the shit that we was on,
but it kept growing
and it started scaring the shit out of me.
Teach was bouncing off the walls,
yelling at me, "We got to do something,
You got to help me. We got to handle this."
But all I could hear in my head was this sound.
And then, I don't know how I knew,
but I just knew that there needed to be a fire.
I went to the garage.
I got the can of gasoline
and I got the match
and I lit it.
You ever seen a fire take control?
It's something, man. It's alive.
And watched it
take them up
and start to change them.
And the only thought that came in my head
was "This is awesome."
Awesome?
Yeah.
It was
truly awesome.
Um, the thing is that
I know I am supposed to take responsibility for my action,
I know that I am supposed to feel guilty about it,
but I never did.
And I never knew why.
But now I think I can understand
that it was just
part of what was supposed to happen
in my life's journey,
you know?
That was your decision... you did that.
No, I am not saying I didn't.
I am saying that we're all God's co-workers,
and we don't even know it.
Your crime has nothing to do with God.
Why not? God is everything.
You know, look at earthquakes and floods,
and... and tornadoes, and all the bad shit that happens...
why don't you think that we're a part of all of that too?
What we do, you know, the shit that we carry with us
from one life to the next,
maybe there's a plan that includes all of us...
you and me and my grandparents,
and we just don't know it. How can we know?
Enough of this shit. You know... you know...
you and Lucetta,
- she said that you were... - Lucetta?
- Your wife - What, you call her Lucetta?
- She said... - Don't.
- What? - Don't listen to her.
What do you mean?
Don't listen to what she's telling you, man.
Well, she believes in you.
Look, it's a game to her, man.
It's a game. She...
I told you in the beginning, she's an alien.
She's a... she's like a freak.
That's not a nice thing to say.
No, listen, I am telling it to you straight, okay,
she's just working on you.
She's working on you. She's fucking you over, man.
She's an animal.
You know, you're fucking nuts, you know that?
You're fucking nuts.
You got a beautiful wife who cares about you, and...
Beautiful? You think she's beautiful?
Okay, you're a con. I have known that from the fucking start.
I don't believe you for one fucking second. Never did, never did.
So you have both been conning me? Okay, I know.
I have been around the block a few times. I ought to know better.
- I am Sick and fucking tired of it. - What'd I say, man?
You expect me to eat this new shit you have been handing out?
Write a nice little note about your goddamn fucking epiphany?
You're the same bastard you have always been.
I know I am.
That's what I have been saying, man.
- You don't get it. - Get it? Oh no no, I got it.
I got it and I am goddamn fucking fed up with you.
The both of you can go to hell for all I care.
I can't f... what have I done? Jesus Christ, I have been...
I mean, just goddamn year in and year out
sitting across the desk from this and we pretend we're doing something,
you pretend you have heard us and then we fall for it.
And then you come back in one year
and you're sitting right back here across the same desk from us again
and somebody out there is hurt or dead. Well, I am not buying it anymore.
Nothing changed for the better. it's all bullshit. No one changes for the better.
I have spent my whole fucking adult life doing this goddamn bullshit.
I am sick to death of this whole fucking waste.
You get no more of my time, pal.
Get the hell out of here. Come on.
Let's go, Come on, get out.
Okay.
Oh God. Oh God.
Hey, man, you have anyone?
- What? - Anybody to stand behind you.
- Are you all alone? - I am not...
Blow your motherfucking life up, man. Blow it up all the way. Do it.
Really, take it all the way. It helps.
Hey, Peterson, we're done.
Just go ahead and burn your motherfucking life.
- Now, Goddamn it. - Blow it up. Let it go, all of it.
Did anybody not fucking hear me?
- Let's go, please. - Go all the way.
- He's coming. - Just embrace it, man. Burn it up.
- Get him the hell out of here. - It's awesome. I am pulling for you.
- No, really, I am pulling for you. - Fuck you, you sick son of a bitch.
This is Jack and Madylyn Mabry. Please leave a message,
Hey, Jack... Mr. Mabry,
I left messages at work, but you didn't call me back.
I am kind of in the dark here.
Don't leave me dangling. I hate that.
Let the machine get it.
Hello?
Is Mom there?
It's Candace.
Hey, it's Mom. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I understand.
What's up?
Well, how's Katie?
Did you know you started out as a stone?
Hmm?
Your soul... it started out
as a mineral or a pebble,
and then it was reincarnated as a plant,
then as a fish, birds, animals and so on.
You had to work your way up to being a human.
Know what it's been doing, your soul?
- Hmm, what? - It's been paying off debts...
past sins from past lives,
reducing its burden from one life to the next.
Where'd you get that?
Junk mail.
You know what I think?
I think we get this one life, I do, and...
You account for what you have done in it.
And if you don't, you pay for it when you die.
You don't think?
Shit.
Shit shit, son of a bitch.
Fuck fuck.
- Okay, I get it. - Motherfucker.
Why don't you make me another fucking drink, you cocksucker?
Who is that?
Hello.
I will take care of this.
Will you just pick up the phone sometimes?
- Oh, Mrs. Creeson, please, really. - Pick up the phone when you're here?
- This is inappropriate. - Hi, Mrs. Mabry.
- Did you get my messages, Mrs. Mabry? - Look, I am sorry, please.
Young lady, I am going to take you to your car. Let's go.
- Look, I am a little bit worried. - I don't care if you have been worried.
You have been worried? I understand if you're worried, Mrs. Creeson,
but try and have a little patience. Get in the fucking car and get out of here.
What's wrong with you? Why are you being like this?
And what's wrong with my husband, huh?
Please...
- You're not supposed to be here. - What did you tell him about us?
There is no us. Get the fuck out of here.
- I just needed a friend to talk to. - Thank you, Mrs. Creeson.
You have got no fucking idea, man.
We will talk at the prison.
Fucking idiot.
Inexcusable, coming to our home like that.
You know, we can't alter reports once they have been submitted for review.
I know, I know, but I made a mistake.
Ehh, you're only human.
Mitch, I-- I-- I am asking, please. Please.
The hearing's in an hour. You're kidding, right?
I know.
I need a little something more to go on here.
I can't go into it.
I just missed something. I made a... I made a mistake.
If you want to plead your concerns, it's fine,
or if you want to submit additional evidence, that's okay too.
But you know as well as I do his fate's already been determined.
It's luck and quotas.
Nothing I say will make a difference?
Well, don't sweat it, Jack.
I mean, you're less than a month to go. Sleep easy.
- Hmm? - All right.
- I am going out. - What about the Creeson hearing?
Thanks, Paul.
Revelation 3:20.
"Behold I stand at the door and knock. If any man open the door,
I will come into him and sup with him and he with me."
Revelation 3:20.
All right, the next one is...
It says Christ died for the ungodly.
Yeah, that's in Romans, chapter 5.
Romans 5:8...
So we're getting to the commandments next,
I guess, huh?
Do you believe in all this?
What?
Do you?
You read the meditation.
"What request is on the top of my prayer list for today?
Is it a selfish request or one that will bring God glory?"
I know what I want. How about you?
You lost your place again.
You have something you want to say to me?
You don't?
I can't even think of what you'd want me to say.
You want to talk about it, man?
What's that?
- Her coming..... - Hmm?
...or me going or anything you want.
Look, I am a little concerned about you, man.
You're seeming a little ragged to me.
Yeah well, put your mind at ease.
So that's it for us, huh?
You want to ask me any more questions or go over some shit?
I will sit in the chair, we can do that thing, you know.
You'd better be smart or you're going to be right back in here again.
Hey, I got my release, Jack.
You ain't got to concern yourself about me no more, man.
You got it, all right, but make no mistake:
I can have them watch your goddamn ass 24 hours a day.
You got me?
I got you.
Shit, man, you don't believe in nothing, do you?
I believe you're one fucked up son of a bitch.
I know you don't believe in me, but you don't believe in yourself.
You don't believe in God.
I don't think you feel that anything is true inside of you.
I will give you true...
I am glad you're out of my hair, Gerald Creeson.
Now you can be somebody else's headache.
Oh...
Man, life is just taking you by the neck,
and rattling your whole frame
and you don't know which way is up.
It's scary as shit when the wheels come off like that, man.
I feel you. I have been there.
I mean it. But that's when you got to start listening, man.
Where the fuck is she?
You don't want to shoot the shit with me anymore, man?
I am going to miss shooting the shit with you.
Not me, boy, not me. Time for you to go.
I have enjoyed chopping it up with you, man.
Anybody here yet?
Hey, just keep listening, Jack.
That's all I am saying, because I think something's coming for you,
but when it comes, man, just stay open to it, you know.
- Don't close it off. - Here we go.
In there.
Well, happy day.
So, well, can I kiss her?
Ready?
Yeah.
Well, good luck to you, Stone.
Hey, I want to thank you.
Seriously, I appreciate everything that you have done for me.
Yep.
Good luck to you too, Mrs. Creeson.
Lucetta, Jack. I mean, we're all friends here, right?
Lucetta. Take good care of him.
I will. And you take good care too, old man.
- See you later, Jack. - Mmm.
Oh, hey, you know, I meant to say,
Lucetta, she did tell me that you fucked her.
I know that must be against some kind of rules around here, right?
I knew what you two were doing.
Oh, did you know what you were doing when you let my wife suck your cock?
- Good luck to you. - I will see you out on the bricks.
Good luck to you.
Right now we enjoy the Constitutional freedom
to keep and bear arms. If that were ever infringed,
if that were ever repealed or just flat out violated and...
Madylyn?
As a Christian, would we be within our rights,
because Thomas Jefferson says
these rights are inalienable because they come from our creator...
Madylyn?
...within our rights as Christians
to revolt against the government
and its denial of those fundamental Constitutional rights,
or would a Christian have to respond differently?
- Some mail. - We would have to respond.
And we as Christians would have to rise up
against any government that said
we didn't have a right to protect ourselves, because...
I guess I would ask the question,
why do they want to take our guns away from us?
I like you.
I like you, Jack.
I would never fuck you if I didn't want to.
Madylyn.
Wake up. Wake up. Madylyn.
Madylyn, wake up. Wake up.
Come on.
- I got to get to a phone. - Where are you going to go?
- What about Steve and Helen? - No, they're away.
- Well, what about David? - it's too far. it's too late.
Ah.
Look at this. Oh my G...
Oh God.
You motherfucker.
Goddamn it. Goddamn it.
- Don't say that. - What?
Taking the Lord's name... stop that.
- Jesus, Madylyn, please. - Stop it. I won't stand for it.
What are you talking about, for Christ's sakes?
This means something to me. It may not mean anything to you anymore,
but it means something to me. - Jesus, Madylyn,
we just almost got incinerated in our sleep
by some fucking nutjob who I let out,
and you're fucking bothering me about my fucking language?
- Nobody did this to us. - Give me a fucking break.
- Nobody did this to us. - What?
It wasn't anybody. It was an act of God.
I have got a pretty good fucking idea who did this to us.
This was an act of God. I am going to tell the firemen that.
What are you talking about, Madylyn?
About the frayed wiring in the kitchen wall.
What are you talking about? What wire?
In the kitchen wall.
And the... the basement.
- What? - There are all those rag...
rags down there, all those old rags.
I am going to tell them to go down there.
Why would you say that?
Because it's as good a story as any.
it's not that sunny out.
Everybody knows
you can still get sunburned on a cloudy day.
Ah, look at the barns.
Remember that?
Not really.
I don't know how you stuck it out as long as you did.
I think you'd have done this sooner.
I almost did once.
So what happened?
What happened?
He's free. Yeah. He's free.
That's a free man there, huh?
You do not want to make it a two-way conversation with them,
because they have nothing on their minds but...
well, they may have nothing but time
to just think about ways to work on you
and to get under your skin.
You cannot make yourself a person to them.
Oh, believe me, I have learned that lesson.
Well, I mean, they will test you for sure.
A good looking woman like you...
Oh, Jack.
Well, I am...
I am retired, I am not dead, you know.
Come on, Jack, we're friends, okay? You're the best.
I want to have a little fun.
Send me off into the sunset.
Huh-uh.
Let's just keep it pro, okay?
You want to be a pro?
Fuck pro. They're going to fucking chew your ass up in there.
- Okay, Jack, that's enough. - No, no, it's bullshit.
Jerking my chain like that, you fucking cunt.
- Give me some respect. - Hey, buddy, let's throw some darts.
Yeah yeah, I am in.
- Up yours. - Whoa whoa whoa, buddy, hey.
I am just fucked up. I should go.
- No, ride with me. - No, I am-- I am going to get a cab.
I am good, I am good. I am going to get a cab.
I am good, word of honor. I am good. It's a cab.
...get us to the reality that God has already deemed
is going to happen, and nothing is going to change that.
And so it's not like there is this cosmic battle
between good and evil,
and good might not triumph.
The reality is that there is a battle going on
where you would see a huge boxer
holding a guy's head back,
and the little scrawny guy is flailing his arms,
waving at the guy, trying to beat him.
That's exactly what God... God has Satan subdued,
but in the flailing of his arms...
and this is particularly brought out in Revelation, chapter 12...
Satan flailing his arms is able to do an awful lot of chaos
and damage and bad things happen.
And it's because he is enraged
because he knows his time is short.
Revelation 12 said that.
Hey.
This is some shit, man.
Wait whoa.
You ruined my whole life. Why?
Fucking why? Why?
Why what?
Why did you do....?
Why did you...
Okay okay okay okay.
Hey, man,
you ain't going to do this.
You think I won't?
No.
No, I don't.
Yeah, at first, I thought I was crazy.
Was this really happening to me?
Was it all in my head, or is there really a God
who can breathe life into me
and make me feel his presence?
So this is actually what encouraged me to write the book.
And honestly it completely changed the way that I look at life...
Assume that there was a Higher Power,
that It created the universe,
until God set a bush on fire...
And maybe I did.
...and said, "Oh, by the way, you were right."
You know, and...
I think... I think I am ready to get out.
Next up here is Gerald from southwest Detroit.
- Welcome, Gerald. - I just want to say,
I got this book and they say that
when you experience a spiritual truth,
that it comes to you through sound.
If you let this sound go through you,
it changes you, you know?
It puts you back into harmony,
you know, makes you like a tuning fork of God.
Okay.
Yeah, they say they say it can start with small things
like little vibrations... you know, the sound of a bee,
the sound of a "buzzing light" and then it grows.
All right, that's interesting.
Well, they say
that everything that happens to you
is what was supposed to happen to you for you to advance,
that you have got to come back lots of times,
you know, cycle through many lives until you learn, until you...
Well, thanks for your input.
Next up here on the WDDL listener line is
Kathy in Farmington Hills. You're on All Voices Under God.