I have hoarded this home with my mother for 20 years.
When you walk through the house, it's just chaos.
48 hours ago, my mother had a heart attack.
The loss of my mother has been devastating.
You just never know how hard until you're in it.
- Oh. - You okay?
It's not okay to sleep right next door to trash.
Destiny hasn't been showing a lot of emotion,
but things could change at any time.
I never wanna live like that again.
Oh!
I've collected so much,
it's hard to get from one room to the other.
Terri's an Olympic champion hoarder.
Code Enforcement came
and told me I could not live in this house.
How much can I do at one time?
Don't say this to me right now!
Move out of the way of the door and let people in, Terri.
Darn it! Okay!
Terri's got so much stuff.
- You're really angry. - I'm quite angry.
I'm Destiny, I'm 35 years old,
and I have hoarded this home with my mother for 20 years.
The house is three bedrooms, two baths,
and it's full of trash
and unneeded collectibles.
Dolls, angels, elephants,
peacock figurines, pots and pans,
kitchen gadgets,
and a lot of trash right in front of the door.
I'm Roddy, and I'm Destiny's brother.
When you walk through the house,
I think the first thing that grabs your eye is the trash.
It's just chaos.
All of the furniture is in disarray.
Everything's covered in dust.
Nothing's been cleaned in years.
It's just, again, just trash.
My mom has been hoarding my whole life.
Growing up in the house, my mother had a lot of things.
I don't think any of us thought it was hoarding at the time,
mostly because the house was clean,
but there were a lot of things everywhere.
The property management company did tell my mom
that if we didn't clean up,
then they were gonna have to find somewhere else to live.
Mom was very tired of living like this.
A few days ago,
she told me she was very ready to get everything out
of this house that was unneeded.
She was finally ready to let things go.
48 hours ago, my mother had a heart attack.
It was very sudden, very shocking.
I was sitting in front of her when it happened.
The loss of my mother has been devastating.
I based almost my entire life around her.
I'm having a hard time
imagining what life's gonna be now without her.
The decision to move forward with the cleanup
was extraordinarily difficult.
When Mom passed, I had to make the decision
whether I wanted to continue or not,
and it has been the hardest decision of my life.
I have to clean up this house for her,
for me, and for my family.
Good morning, everybody.
Good morning.
We have some very unusual circumstances
that occurred prior to our arrival,
and, of course, that was the death of Gail,
who we were coming to help, in addition to you, Destiny.
I would like to just take a moment of silence
in honor of Gail.
Thank you, everybody.
And that being said,
I'm gonna turn it over to you, Dorothy.
Thanks, Dr. Zasio.
Wow, the tears are flowing out there,
huh? - Yes, they are.
If you look around,
there are 20 people here ready for you,
Destiny and family members,
standing in the rain, in the tears,
ready to do what we need to do for you.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
The first thing that we wanna do is get all the trash out.
That way you can get an idea
of what has been piling up in there.
But how do you feel about that?
- I think that's good. - You think that's good?
That's good.
Team members, are you ready to go?
Give me a thumbs up!
- Yeah! - Yay!
All right, let's go!
Everybody, out!
The trash is just coming out, barrels and barrels,
and we're dumping it right onto a big tarp
so that the family, and especially Destiny,
can see what's in that trash just in case,
before we get it into the dumpster.
- Hey, how you doin'? - I don't know.
We knew it was gonna be hard.
You just never know how hard until you're in it.
We're here.
We got you.
Do you see anything else?
I need to find a specific plate, that's all.
So, before you go digging in here,
and I think you see something in here,
right? - Mhmm.
You want the plate-
But these, a lot of the dirty, most-
- Breathe. - Take your time.
- It's all okay. - I do wanna look through them
so that I see them going,
so that I can say, "Okay, yes," for everything.
Oh.
- You okay? - Yeah.
Can I go for farther in this?
Yes.
Oh.
If that's the one plate that you're going to keep-
That's great.
- Out of all these? - Out of all of this,
that's a fair compromise,
wouldn't you say? - Yes, absolutely.
'Cause actually there's a lot of them that I want to keep,
but I shouldn't. - Right.
But this one, it means a lot to me.
- Okay. - All right.
Look at your sister.
What are you feeling about that?
Dawn? - I'm feeling so proud.
- Tell your sister. - So, so proud of you.
- You got this. - Yeah.
- You got it. - Yep.
- You got all of us here. - Yep.
It's pretty remarkable that Destiny
is letting go of as much as she is,
and most of it is going to trash.
Can I just say to you,
it's not okay to sleep right next door to trash.
Has anybody ever said that to you?
No one's ever told me before you just did.
You still have a life.
You can still meet somebody.
You can have a home.
You can have goals.
You have many things that can come.
You get to have that!
And I see Dr. Zasio, you're in eyesight for me.
Thank you for being here.
I'm being a little tough,
because we can't have someone like you
sleeping next to a pile of trash.
And that's not to hurt you.
It's not to belittle you.
It's just we're really concerned
because you had gotten so used to this,
and this is just not okay
for any human being to live in.
You know, sometimes we all have to hear things
that are hard to hear.
But if we don't have these conversations
and it's just about a cleanup,
then there will be no healing inside you.
And part of that process is,
"I never wanna go through this again," meaning you.
Never again.
Destiny hasn't been showing a lot of emotion.
And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
It may just be her personality.
But, from my experience, things could change at any time.
Hi, everybody.
- Hi. - Hi.
How's everybody holding up?
This is the last room of the house,
and, of course, the most difficult.
What are you feeling, Destiny?
I know it's not easy thinking that she was living like this
and that she passed in these conditions.
I think you all are gonna feel just a little bit better
once we can get this room in order for you.
Do you guys feel like you need some time
to just digest? - Absolutely not.
Let's get this over with.
We filled up 18 tons worth of stuff.
That's nine dumpsters.
Hi, family. - Hello.
Hi.
Hello there.
Come on into your living room!
Right here, wow.
- Wow. - Oh my God.
- Wow. - Wow.
- What do you think?
This is the most space I've seen in here
in a very long time. - Yeah.
Does it feel too empty?
No, actually, I like the way it's open and clear.
Mm-hmm.
Seeing the house, now that it's all been cleared out,
I do feel a sense of freedom.
All I could think this whole week was,
"How in the world did I live like this?"
I never wanna live like that again.
This has been an unbelievable experience.
It's changed my life,
and I know it's changed my siblings' lives,
and it's definitely changed Destiny's life.
She can move forward without all of this emotional
and physical baggage weighing her down.
- You ready? - Oh, Lord.
- Oh my God! - Oh, wow!
That is beautiful!
- Oh, wow! - Goodness.
Seeing my bedroom was such a beautiful moment.
I couldn't even imagine
having that much space in my room.
Does it feel okay in here?
Oh, yeah.
Seriously, I'm this close to just diving on.
I'm glad it feels good for you,
because that's everything that we had hoped for for you.
Oh!
Walking into my mother's bedroom,
there's a lot of beauty in that room now
that wasn't there before.
It was very, very dark,
and it almost felt as tortured as my mom herself.
But now it feels free, you know?
Aftercare is gonna be critical for Destiny.
She needs to deal with the emotional pain
of losing her mother.
In addition to that, she has a whole nother journey
that she's gonna embark on, which is to reclaim her life.
Her entire path was truly hidden underneath this hoard,
and now her future is open.
Yeah, there's work to be done,
but her metamorphosis is just as grand
or even more grand than the house itself.
I'm not sure what's next,
but I think the future is looking pretty bright
from where I'm sitting.
Oh my gosh!
Hi!
So good to see you.
I'm Dorothy Breininger.
I'm a professional organizing expert,
and I specialize in hoarding.
Good to see you, Roddy. - Good to see you.
Oh my gosh.
All right, my mother always said,
"When you have a new house, housewarming gift."
You know what? Let me put these down.
I'll stick 'em over here for a second.
It has been about a year and a half since the cleanup.
There we go.
I am really excited to see what Destiny's up to.
I wanna know what she's done.
I'm curious from all perspectives.
How long were you in your mom's house
before you actually made the move to this house?
- From the cleanup? - Yeah.
About a week.
So you stayed a week, that was it.
After the cleanup,
Destiny came and stayed with me and my husband
for between six and seven months.
And during that time,
I pushed her to look for jobs,
to clean up after herself if she made a mess.
You know, I just made it very clear
that just because of the situation she was in,
doesn't mean it's the situation she, uh,
that life doesn't need to be that way,
that she can choose something else.
Now she is, I could say, thriving on her own.
So here we are, this looks new-ish.
- Mm=hmm. - Beautiful.
And are you renting, owning here?
- Renting. - You're renting?
And I've been here for a year and two months.
- You have? - Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Since the cleanup, I have started a job,
found a place, started another job.
So I have two jobs now, one full-time, one part-time.
and I have my own car,
and everything is going really, really well right now.
At this point, I'm curious,
do you have any regrets,
any mistakes that were made by us
or the family during that time?
No regrets.
- No regrets? - No regrets.
And, Roddy, how did that process go for you
when we were organizing your mom's space
and Destiny's space?
It was hard, you know,
there's a lot of things I still think about.
Did we move too fast?
Were there things that we missed?
But the fact that, you know,
she's in a much better place now,
having her own place, her own space,
I wouldn't take it back for anything.
Okay, well, this, this presentation right here,
this transformation,
I think it's giving me an inkling of what I'm gonna see.
But can we go inside and look?
- Oh, yeah. - Okay.
- I'm ready for you. - All right, all right.
Take me in.
We'll be back. - All right.
Oh my God!
This is your place? - This is my place.
- This is yours? - This is mine.
What do you think of it?
- Love it. - You love it?
Mm-hmm.
Life now is so much brighter.
I fought tooth and nail for it to be as bright as it is.
And there has not been one moment
I have regretted going through this whole process.
This is nothing like
the bathroom before. - Not at all.
- No hazmat suit required. - Nope.
How hard is it to keep it up?
It's not hard at all.
- Oh my gosh. - It's not hard at all.
- Next stop. - Bedroom.
Let me just look here, amazing.
She's got her bed.
It's completely open, nothing's on it.
I mean, I look at it, it's like a norm,
no, better than a normal room.
Most people have some clutter, not her.
I'm gonna go back in time for a second.
Okay.
We, together, you and I were in your bedroom.
Now I'm gonna ask you something.
Is this how I'm supposed to be cleaning a bedroom?
Nope.
What's wrong with this picture, babe?
So much.
There's so much.
I'm using a shovel in your bedroom.
Not okay.
What was that like then?
I'm shoveling wrappers and trash
out of your bed and bedroom. - Mortifying.
- It was mortifying? - Mortifying.
Did I embarrass you at that point?
Not in so much that you embarrassed me,
in that that was embarrassing for myself
that I had let it get like that,
and I needed that embarrassment.
- You did? - Mm-hmm.
This is not something I'm ever gonna let happen again,
because this is not safe,
it's not healthy, it's not any way to live.
- Oh my gosh, and you matter. - Yes.
With organizing, like, there's two ways to go, right?
- Yep. - One way is to stay
with the pain in the past,
or the other way is to look
for the future and the possibility,
and, man, did you do it. - Thank you.
Yes, I noticed a very organized home.
But what I noticed was Destiny's pride around it.
Like, I was looking at her
to see how she was with the new space,
but she was looking at me to see what I thought
about maybe the space or maybe her.
And she gets my stamp of approval, by the way.
Come on, let's go talk outside.
Okay.
- You've been in there? - Yep.
You saw all this transformation?
I did. I helped her move in.
I'm holding back my tears,
maybe masking it with some, you know, effervescence.
But, honestly, I've never seen anything like this, never.
You did this, you supported your sister doing this,
all in the face of your mom's death.
I mean, this was really brave of you to just go and say,
"Yeah, our mom passed away yesterday,
and we're moving forward."
How did that evolve?
How did this happen?
We were at the hospital after we found out,
and I turned to Roddy and I said, "We still have to do it."
I knew then that it was not an option.
And it was ultimately her decision.
And if Destiny wants to go through with it,
you know, it's her life.
You know, this is her story,
and we left it all up to her
to kind of rebound that quickly and say,
"This is something that has to be done."
There wasn't even any rebounding!
No. Yeah.
I mean, you just, where did that courage come from?
You were at the bottom of the barrel there.
- I was. - How did that come up
and out and say, "I'm doing it anyway?"
I had already seen light.
I wasn't about to turn the light away.
And I'm curious, did you take advantage of the aftercare?
- I did. - You did?
- I did. - What did that look like?
What happened for you?
I had 12 therapy sessions.
I did each and every one.
I had finished by September.
- Valuable? - Very.
I think the aftercare was instrumental
in Destiny's, I guess, recovery.
It was important for her to see an outside perspective,
to be able to talk to someone
who was completely removed from the situation,
and someone who was licensed to talk about those things.
Can you remember like a nugget that was,
like, really important for you?
Any emotions that are big, write 'em down.
Get 'em out. - Okay.
That way they're not festering.
'Cause that's what they did before.
That's all they did.
If I hadn't had done the aftercare,
I think this would be a much different story.
It wouldn't be what it was before,
but I wouldn't be doing half as well.
One of my favorite things about doing this hoarder show
is that they offer aftercare.
We do not leave anybody behind that way.
Does everybody take advantage of the aftercare? No.
But not only did you do it, but you did it with alacrity.
You did it with quickness.
You just got into it and you didn't miss a single session.
No.
Most people don't even want to take advantage
of what we offer,
which is this wonderful aftercare.
She did and it shows!
If you had asked me two years ago
if she could do something like this, I would've said no.
She has proven me wrong.
I will be forever proud of who she's becoming
and the progress she's made.
I'm coming over to kiss you now, prepare!
Great job, you.
Destiny's story is truly a success.
She really is ready for this new life.
I've never ever seen anybody do anything
like what you're up to. - Thank you.
And it's only just beginning.
It really is.
I am very proud of the journey I've taken.
The destination so far, pretty good.
I'm Terri, I'm a private caregiver,
an artist, an antiquer,
and I've collected way, way, way too much.
I have books, antiques, and pots and pans,
collectible glass, jewelry.
I've got threads for sewing
and drawing supplies for my artwork.
I've collected so much
that it's hard to get from one room to the other.
I am Kraig, Terri is my longtime girlfriend.
Terri and I have been together for 45 years.
We've discussed being married.
However, we are not alike and compatible
when it comes to putting things in a house.
I like to have space,
but Terri accumulates so many things
that it just clutters a house.
And it's not easy to live in a house
with so many items all over the place.
Just so full.
Terri's an Olympic champion hoarder, no doubt.
She would receive a gold medal in hoarding.
I've pleaded with Terri to get a job
that didn't require her to be working 24 hours a day,
but that didn't work out and my pleads were unanswered.
When you have a relationship
and you share your time together
and you're not there to share it,
it messes things up completely.
If Terri is able to clean the house
and make good decisions,
I will be ready to propose marriage
and start a,
start a new life.
Good morning, everyone.
Good morning!
Terri, how are you feeling today?
I have feelings of nervousness for sure.
I'll take it a step at a time, a piece at a time.
And thank you for that,
because this is gonna be very difficult,
and right now is probably the easiest part
because we haven't done anything.
Uh-huh.
And it's gonna be really challenging for you.
And while what's to happen
is gonna be very anxiety producing,
it's also going to produce change.
We're gonna turn it over to Cory,
so he can talk about the plan. - Okay.
So what I'd like to start with today
is if we can clear out the backyard here.
And I think if we can start real quick out here
and make some fast decisions,
this will give us the room we need
to start bringing stuff out of the home.
So you guys ready to get started?
- Ready! - Yes.
All right, let's work on this pile.
What about these shelves? - Yeah.
I'm assuming they go with that.
This goes with this, and I wanna keep that.
Okay, and what about this marble top?
I would like to keep that too.
Does it go to something?
It goes to something, but I don't know.
Is anything over there that you kept,
the end of the world if it didn't get saved?
- It's hard! - It is hard.
It's very hard, and that's why you haven't done it.
Terri, look through that stuff right there
and just see if there's anything you can't live without.
Like, get these people busy moving things.
These tools, just let 'em go?
Yeah, let 'em go, Terri.
They're old and those aren't good.
- Some of it's trash. - We'll throw the trash away.
With a little push, help from Kraig,
she's making much better decisions in the backyard.
We're gonna have plenty of room now to get the ball rolling.
I did okay.
That was quick, quick for me.
You're doing great, Terri.
It's gonna be so awesome
to have an art studio here.
You know, and have a kitchen here,
and a living spot, and a bedroom.
It's just gonna be fabulous.
It's like a dream come true.
Come on over.
I left here last night.
Kraig's in the truck with me saying,
"Terri, do you think you can put some pride
in your house once this is over?"
And I'm thinking, how much can I do at one time?
Put some pride in whatever I'm doing?
Don't say this to me right now!
I just went through this day dealing with all of this!
This is 25 or 30 years of issues of me.
I bought this stuff to try and resell it to make money.
Then, I snowballed into caring for people,
and I don't even care for myself right!
I know, I know, and that's the place
that we wanna get right now, Terri.
And to figure it out in one week?
It's hard. - It is hard. It is hard.
Let's give you a few minutes to just try to decompress.
Try to clear your mind a little bit.
Let's see how you're doing in about 10 or 15 minutes.
So where's the piece of furniture
that was right there by the door?
I don't know.
I don't even know what piece of furniture
you're talking about.
It was a church pedestal, I don't see it anywhere here.
And nobody said anything to me,
"Oh, do you wanna keep this?"
And that was a sentimental piece too, so let's go,
we'll keep going. - Let's have you check
with your guys, in the meantime,
we'll have the guys
start bringing the stuff out for sorting.
Okay? - Okay.
All right, sounds good.
Isn't that what you're looking for?
- Okay, where was it? - In the front.
We went and got it outta the truck.
It's still here, they didn't throw it away.
Okay, you got it out of the truck?
- Mm-hmm. - Why was it in the truck
to begin with?
Because someone put it in the donate pile,
but it didn't go, it's here.
And nobody showed me it either!
I didn't know that was your sentimental piece,
I am responsible for that.
It's ugly to me, so I'm sorry, that's what happened.
I just got the list from Code Enforcement
and it tells me this house
has to be emptied of all this stuff.
Come on, Terri, dear.
Get 'em busy, please.
Darn it! Okay!
We're putting the final touches on Terri's house.
We have the maids cleaning.
We have all the keep boxes going into the garage.
We made a lot of room.
It should be ready to go in just a few minutes.
What do you think?
It looks like a smile.
You have a functioning kitchen again.
- Yeah, and it's great. - It's spacious.
No doubt, wonderful. - This is amazing, isn't it?
We were able to make so much progress.
If Code Enforcement comes to Terri's house,
they will be completely happy and sign off on it
if Terri manages to keep it as clean as it is now.
Oh.
Oh, fabulous, was this my art desk?
- No. - No.
We got that.
We got this over here for you. - Sweet, yes!
Got an easel for you. It's your lighting,
Inspiration on the walls. - And it's perfect, yes.
- You're ready to go. - Okay.
And I expect pictures sent to us
of the first things you create.
I know, right?
We don't ask for much,
but we do ask for that. - If you'll press me to-
All right.
So yesterday we were a little nervous
because half of this archway was blocked with boxes.
Uh-huh.
And essentially the room was filled with furniture.
And now you and Kraig have a sitting room.
You have a TV over there.
You've got your stereo, VCR, you can watch movies.
Couch, chairs, the whole bit.
Yes, thanks for all of your hard work.
Kraig, I think we should turn it over to you,
because this is a new beginning for you, too.
Yes, Terri, you've done such a wonderful job.
We've shared so much for many years,
the love and laughs, and tears and cheers.
And so, Terri, dear, I'm gonna do this.
Would you please now marry me?
Yes, I will.
Cleaning up this house
represents something really special
with Kraig feeling as though
he's more important than my things.
And it was a perfect time for him to say,
"Terri, I'm proud of you,
and would you be my wife?"
That's as sweet as it could be.
- Cheers to you. - Cheers!
- Cheers to both of you! - Cheers!
Hi, Terri, good morning!
- Good morning. - Hello, hi.
It's nice to see you. - Same here.
And good morning to you, Kraig!
Hi, Dr. Zasio.
It is such an honor
to have you with us today. - It's nice to see you too.
Thank you, very nice to be with you
and thank you for being here.
So the two of you live here now?
- We do. - Okay.
And tell me about your home.
Do you spend time over there?
I've used my home as a storage dump.
It's felt like it's become a drop off and run.
Okay, okay.
And, Kraig, you haven't been over there?
I have not, Terri keeps me away.
So have you requested to go over there?
- Not much. - No,
because I know it's a disaster.
And I've requested that she get rid of things,
that's for sure,
but Terri continues to buy things,
she continues to bring things into this house
and I do not, you know,
sometimes I move it out, you know, the next day.
So Terri's still buying things and hoarding.
So when Terri brings something in,
and you know it's new, right? - Mm-hmm, you bet.
Where does it go?
Do you throw it away?
Do you set it outside and say, "Take this somewhere else?"
"No, don't bring it, get it out.
Get it out." - Yeah, absolutely.
And if it comes in,
he picks it up and he takes it to the Goodwill
and donates it. - Thrift shops, you bet I do.
Oh my gosh, so you're going out and buying,
and then it simply gets recycled back to the Goodwill again?
- Yes. - Yes, within an instant.
Terri's got so much stuff that I've,
you know, she doesn't need more things to try to get rid of.
What I'm hearing, Kraig, is that you're really angry
that this hasn't stopped.
Yep, yeah, I'm quite angry.
It's clear that Kraig and Terri love each other.
They've been together for 47 years,
and there's a lot that's holding this relationship together.
On the other hand, Terri's purchasing,
and essentially throwing away money
over things that she doesn't need,
is causing a big fracture in this relationship.
What kind of conflict does this create for the two of you?
It causes conflict big time.
It's bad because he's always using the f-word
and he is saying, "You effing hoarder."
I've never cussed in my life until,
I was never a curser. - And I was never either.
Marriage has brought that upon me a little bit.
That is, I curse a whole lot more than I ever used to.
I don't think that when the two of you talked
about getting married,
that you wanted to be cursing at one another,
and yelling at one another,
and you spending your time out hunting and gathering
for you to then take it back.
You know, you're kind of stuck on a race track.
Right.
Terri, I know you like living like this,
meaning a clean, organized house.
- Sure. - I know you like that.
That's how we met because that's what you wanted.
But what we've gotta figure out is how to execute
that in your home.
- Uh-huh. - Right?
And a lot of that's gonna have to happen from you,
not Kraig, and figure out how you can move past
this juncture in your life so that the two of you
can let go of the animosity,
you can let go of the conflict.
You know, no relationship is conflict-free,
but the stuff remains a big barrier between the two of you.
Let's move on.
Let's move over to Terri's house,
and then let's talk about what we can do to move forward.
Okay? - Okay.
Okay.
All right, so here we are again.
Today really is about figuring out how to move forward.
Don't wanna go backwards.
So, Terri, what are your thoughts?
I'll be okay for Kraig to see things.
And, you know, I'm wanting to move forward too.
- Okay. - And I want things
to be good between he and I.
Okay, all right.
Well, let's head on in. - Okay.
Okay.
Careful.
- I'm okay, I'm all right. - Okay.
Terri continues to hoard.
She has put many things back into her house.
It's much more full than it was after the initial cleanup.
This stuff here all over-
Uh-huh.
Where did it come from?
It came from the storage bin that I brought over
and from an estate sale.
- Okay. - From probably more
than just one estate sale.
Did you take advantage of the aftercare that we gave you?
Well, that was a hard thing,
because it was right after the pandemic.
So how many sessions did you use?
Do you know? - I don't even think
I had two full sessions. - Oh my gosh! Okay.
There's no doubt in my mind that Terri needs both therapy
and an organizer to help her
to make good decisions about her stuff,
and so I'm gonna do everything
that I can to get her some help.
Because I really fear
that if she doesn't get the help that she needs,
that not only is this house gonna continue to stay hoarded,
but her relationship with Kraig
is gonna continue to be strained.
Coming back this time,
we're gonna give you some more sessions.
Okay? - Okay.
It would be wonderful to get that.
Okay, so I'll look into those resources.
Kraig, you have been patiently listening.
Just give me some of your thoughts
about how you're feeling right now.
Definitely depressed and like thinking like,
"What have I gotten myself into?"
And just overwhelmed,
and I don't know if I keep talking,
I'm gonna get myself in big trouble, so-
Kraig, part of what you are trying to express
is that you feel that she has a problem
that is not being treated.
No doubt, Dr. Zasio, no doubt.
And she's been going to therapy
for years and years and years.
I don't know what kind of therapy it is,
but I don't see any changes, I do know that.
He gets on to me saying,
"What, what doctor are you,
who are you going to see?"
You know, "They're sure not doing the job,
because there's no difference in, in how you are."
I honestly think that it is going to be very difficult
to repair the fractures
that have happened in your relationship
as long as this is continuing.
Okay, all right, so, you know, the rest of the house
was basically just like the area that we were standing in.
You know, it's the same.
But that being said,
I'm so glad that you let me come back to visit with you,
because I think a lot of things have been said
that you both already know, but they haven't been said.
And I think what we've really come down
to is this stuff has to go
for you to have a relationship together
that is healthy, okay?
Terri actually has a great deal of insight.
She knows there's a problem,
she knows she has too much stuff,
and she knows she needs to stop.
And so having somebody come and help her
and getting some therapy to start to learn ways
to resist the acquisition of items
so that she's not re-hoarding is gonna be really important.
And, Kraig, I know this is just feeling
so torturous for you, too.
Yep.
And if you start this process, Terri,
everybody's gonna feel better.
You're gonna feel better about yourself,
and Kraig is gonna feel better,
and then that is going to start
rebuilding your relationship.
All right, so we have a plan moving forward, okay?
And we'll go from there. - Okay.
- All right. - Okay?
Thank you, Dr. Zasio,
so much. - Yeah.
- Thanks for coming. - I'm so glad to see you,
and I'm so glad that you let me back into your world again.
I really am, okay?
- Okay. - All right.