1 00:00:03,501 --> 00:00:06,210 I have hoarded this home with my mother for 20 years. 2 00:00:06,585 --> 00:00:09,251 When you walk through the house, it's just chaos. 3 00:00:10,418 --> 00:00:13,335 48 hours ago, my mother had a heart attack. 4 00:00:13,335 --> 00:00:15,126 The loss of my mother has been devastating. 5 00:00:15,126 --> 00:00:18,126 You just never know how hard until you're in it. 6 00:00:18,251 --> 00:00:19,585 - Oh. - You okay? 7 00:00:19,710 --> 00:00:22,793 It's not okay to sleep right next door to trash. 8 00:00:22,793 --> 00:00:25,043 Destiny hasn't been showing a lot of emotion, 9 00:00:25,210 --> 00:00:27,543 but things could change at any time. 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,460 I never wanna live like that again. 11 00:00:30,585 --> 00:00:31,460 Oh! 12 00:00:35,335 --> 00:00:37,085 I've collected so much, 13 00:00:37,251 --> 00:00:40,210 it's hard to get from one room to the other. 14 00:00:40,210 --> 00:00:42,168 Terri's an Olympic champion hoarder. 15 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:44,460 Code Enforcement came 16 00:00:44,585 --> 00:00:47,210 and told me I could not live in this house. 17 00:00:47,210 --> 00:00:49,376 How much can I do at one time? 18 00:00:49,501 --> 00:00:52,293 Don't say this to me right now! 19 00:00:52,418 --> 00:00:54,460 Move out of the way of the door and let people in, Terri. 20 00:00:54,585 --> 00:00:56,043 Darn it! Okay! 21 00:00:56,043 --> 00:00:58,001 Terri's got so much stuff. 22 00:00:58,126 --> 00:01:00,126 - You're really angry. - I'm quite angry. 23 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:47,751 I'm Destiny, I'm 35 years old, 24 00:01:47,751 --> 00:01:51,585 and I have hoarded this home with my mother for 20 years. 25 00:01:54,585 --> 00:01:58,543 The house is three bedrooms, two baths, 26 00:01:58,710 --> 00:01:59,876 and it's full of trash 27 00:02:00,001 --> 00:02:01,751 and unneeded collectibles. 28 00:02:02,876 --> 00:02:06,835 Dolls, angels, elephants, 29 00:02:06,835 --> 00:02:10,085 peacock figurines, pots and pans, 30 00:02:10,251 --> 00:02:12,043 kitchen gadgets, 31 00:02:12,210 --> 00:02:14,418 and a lot of trash right in front of the door. 32 00:02:16,793 --> 00:02:19,126 I'm Roddy, and I'm Destiny's brother. 33 00:02:20,293 --> 00:02:21,710 When you walk through the house, 34 00:02:21,835 --> 00:02:25,960 I think the first thing that grabs your eye is the trash. 35 00:02:26,085 --> 00:02:27,376 It's just chaos. 36 00:02:27,543 --> 00:02:30,543 All of the furniture is in disarray. 37 00:02:30,543 --> 00:02:32,043 Everything's covered in dust. 38 00:02:32,043 --> 00:02:33,876 Nothing's been cleaned in years. 39 00:02:34,001 --> 00:02:35,876 It's just, again, just trash. 40 00:02:43,251 --> 00:02:45,376 My mom has been hoarding my whole life. 41 00:02:45,376 --> 00:02:49,418 Growing up in the house, my mother had a lot of things. 42 00:02:49,418 --> 00:02:52,376 I don't think any of us thought it was hoarding at the time, 43 00:02:52,501 --> 00:02:55,043 mostly because the house was clean, 44 00:02:55,043 --> 00:02:56,835 but there were a lot of things everywhere. 45 00:03:04,418 --> 00:03:06,335 The property management company did tell my mom 46 00:03:06,501 --> 00:03:07,918 that if we didn't clean up, 47 00:03:08,043 --> 00:03:11,085 then they were gonna have to find somewhere else to live. 48 00:03:11,210 --> 00:03:13,626 Mom was very tired of living like this. 49 00:03:13,751 --> 00:03:14,835 A few days ago, 50 00:03:15,001 --> 00:03:17,793 she told me she was very ready to get everything out 51 00:03:17,918 --> 00:03:19,751 of this house that was unneeded. 52 00:03:19,876 --> 00:03:21,876 She was finally ready to let things go. 53 00:03:29,418 --> 00:03:32,460 48 hours ago, my mother had a heart attack. 54 00:03:33,585 --> 00:03:36,335 It was very sudden, very shocking. 55 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:39,293 I was sitting in front of her when it happened. 56 00:03:41,168 --> 00:03:43,668 The loss of my mother has been devastating. 57 00:03:43,793 --> 00:03:46,710 I based almost my entire life around her. 58 00:03:48,293 --> 00:03:49,793 I'm having a hard time 59 00:03:49,918 --> 00:03:53,293 imagining what life's gonna be now without her. 60 00:03:54,585 --> 00:03:56,085 The decision to move forward with the cleanup 61 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:59,460 was extraordinarily difficult. 62 00:03:59,585 --> 00:04:03,126 When Mom passed, I had to make the decision 63 00:04:03,293 --> 00:04:04,835 whether I wanted to continue or not, 64 00:04:04,835 --> 00:04:08,543 and it has been the hardest decision of my life. 65 00:04:08,668 --> 00:04:11,376 I have to clean up this house for her, 66 00:04:11,376 --> 00:04:13,751 for me, and for my family. 67 00:04:22,001 --> 00:04:22,835 Good morning, everybody. 68 00:04:22,835 --> 00:04:24,585 Good morning. 69 00:04:24,751 --> 00:04:27,126 We have some very unusual circumstances 70 00:04:27,126 --> 00:04:29,085 that occurred prior to our arrival, 71 00:04:29,251 --> 00:04:31,710 and, of course, that was the death of Gail, 72 00:04:31,876 --> 00:04:35,626 who we were coming to help, in addition to you, Destiny. 73 00:04:35,751 --> 00:04:39,710 I would like to just take a moment of silence 74 00:04:39,710 --> 00:04:41,085 in honor of Gail. 75 00:04:47,543 --> 00:04:48,835 Thank you, everybody. 76 00:04:50,126 --> 00:04:51,210 And that being said, 77 00:04:51,376 --> 00:04:52,710 I'm gonna turn it over to you, Dorothy. 78 00:04:52,835 --> 00:04:54,376 Thanks, Dr. Zasio. 79 00:04:54,501 --> 00:04:57,543 Wow, the tears are flowing out there, 80 00:04:57,668 --> 00:04:59,126 huh? - Yes, they are. 81 00:04:59,251 --> 00:05:00,376 If you look around, 82 00:05:00,543 --> 00:05:04,043 there are 20 people here ready for you, 83 00:05:04,168 --> 00:05:05,710 Destiny and family members, 84 00:05:05,835 --> 00:05:08,543 standing in the rain, in the tears, 85 00:05:08,543 --> 00:05:10,418 ready to do what we need to do for you. 86 00:05:10,585 --> 00:05:12,085 - Thank you. - Thank you. 87 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:16,168 The first thing that we wanna do is get all the trash out. 88 00:05:16,168 --> 00:05:17,626 That way you can get an idea 89 00:05:17,751 --> 00:05:20,251 of what has been piling up in there. 90 00:05:20,418 --> 00:05:23,376 But how do you feel about that? 91 00:05:23,376 --> 00:05:25,626 - I think that's good. - You think that's good? 92 00:05:25,751 --> 00:05:26,585 That's good. 93 00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:28,460 Team members, are you ready to go? 94 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:29,710 Give me a thumbs up! 95 00:05:29,710 --> 00:05:31,918 - Yeah! - Yay! 96 00:05:32,085 --> 00:05:33,168 All right, let's go! 97 00:05:33,293 --> 00:05:35,210 Everybody, out! 98 00:05:45,210 --> 00:05:48,376 The trash is just coming out, barrels and barrels, 99 00:05:48,376 --> 00:05:51,376 and we're dumping it right onto a big tarp 100 00:05:51,376 --> 00:05:53,835 so that the family, and especially Destiny, 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,543 can see what's in that trash just in case, 102 00:05:57,668 --> 00:06:00,376 before we get it into the dumpster. 103 00:06:00,501 --> 00:06:02,335 - Hey, how you doin'? - I don't know. 104 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:05,543 We knew it was gonna be hard. 105 00:06:05,668 --> 00:06:08,210 You just never know how hard until you're in it. 106 00:06:08,376 --> 00:06:09,210 We're here. 107 00:06:09,335 --> 00:06:10,126 We got you. 108 00:06:12,001 --> 00:06:13,876 Do you see anything else? 109 00:06:14,001 --> 00:06:15,710 I need to find a specific plate, that's all. 110 00:06:15,835 --> 00:06:18,376 So, before you go digging in here, 111 00:06:18,543 --> 00:06:20,960 and I think you see something in here, 112 00:06:21,085 --> 00:06:22,376 right? - Mhmm. 113 00:06:22,501 --> 00:06:23,668 You want the plate- 114 00:06:23,835 --> 00:06:27,501 But these, a lot of the dirty, most- 115 00:06:30,293 --> 00:06:31,501 - Breathe. - Take your time. 116 00:06:31,668 --> 00:06:33,293 - It's all okay. - I do wanna look through them 117 00:06:33,418 --> 00:06:35,668 so that I see them going, 118 00:06:35,668 --> 00:06:38,918 so that I can say, "Okay, yes," for everything. 119 00:06:39,918 --> 00:06:40,543 Oh. 120 00:06:40,668 --> 00:06:41,710 - You okay? - Yeah. 121 00:06:41,710 --> 00:06:43,085 Can I go for farther in this? 122 00:06:43,251 --> 00:06:44,085 Yes. 123 00:06:45,168 --> 00:06:45,960 Oh. 124 00:06:48,210 --> 00:06:50,501 If that's the one plate that you're going to keep- 125 00:06:50,501 --> 00:06:51,751 That's great. 126 00:06:51,918 --> 00:06:53,126 - Out of all these? - Out of all of this, 127 00:06:53,251 --> 00:06:54,626 that's a fair compromise, 128 00:06:54,751 --> 00:06:56,168 wouldn't you say? - Yes, absolutely. 129 00:06:56,168 --> 00:06:58,418 'Cause actually there's a lot of them that I want to keep, 130 00:06:58,585 --> 00:06:59,835 but I shouldn't. - Right. 131 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:01,168 But this one, it means a lot to me. 132 00:07:01,168 --> 00:07:03,085 - Okay. - All right. 133 00:07:03,251 --> 00:07:04,418 Look at your sister. 134 00:07:04,585 --> 00:07:06,585 What are you feeling about that? 135 00:07:06,751 --> 00:07:07,835 Dawn? - I'm feeling so proud. 136 00:07:07,835 --> 00:07:11,043 - Tell your sister. - So, so proud of you. 137 00:07:12,710 --> 00:07:14,626 - You got this. - Yeah. 138 00:07:14,751 --> 00:07:15,751 - You got it. - Yep. 139 00:07:15,876 --> 00:07:18,335 - You got all of us here. - Yep. 140 00:07:18,460 --> 00:07:19,626 It's pretty remarkable that Destiny 141 00:07:19,751 --> 00:07:21,793 is letting go of as much as she is, 142 00:07:21,918 --> 00:07:23,960 and most of it is going to trash. 143 00:07:42,418 --> 00:07:44,043 Can I just say to you, 144 00:07:44,168 --> 00:07:47,876 it's not okay to sleep right next door to trash. 145 00:07:48,043 --> 00:07:50,293 Has anybody ever said that to you? 146 00:07:50,418 --> 00:07:52,710 No one's ever told me before you just did. 147 00:07:53,543 --> 00:07:55,460 You still have a life. 148 00:07:55,626 --> 00:07:57,543 You can still meet somebody. 149 00:07:57,668 --> 00:07:59,001 You can have a home. 150 00:07:59,001 --> 00:08:00,543 You can have goals. 151 00:08:00,668 --> 00:08:02,543 You have many things that can come. 152 00:08:02,668 --> 00:08:04,335 You get to have that! 153 00:08:06,793 --> 00:08:09,043 And I see Dr. Zasio, you're in eyesight for me. 154 00:08:09,043 --> 00:08:11,001 Thank you for being here. 155 00:08:11,126 --> 00:08:12,626 I'm being a little tough, 156 00:08:12,751 --> 00:08:16,751 because we can't have someone like you 157 00:08:16,918 --> 00:08:20,460 sleeping next to a pile of trash. 158 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:24,418 And that's not to hurt you. 159 00:08:24,585 --> 00:08:26,210 It's not to belittle you. 160 00:08:26,335 --> 00:08:28,043 It's just we're really concerned 161 00:08:28,168 --> 00:08:31,043 because you had gotten so used to this, 162 00:08:31,043 --> 00:08:33,543 and this is just not okay 163 00:08:33,543 --> 00:08:38,001 for any human being to live in. 164 00:08:38,126 --> 00:08:40,793 You know, sometimes we all have to hear things 165 00:08:40,793 --> 00:08:41,960 that are hard to hear. 166 00:08:42,085 --> 00:08:44,585 But if we don't have these conversations 167 00:08:44,751 --> 00:08:46,876 and it's just about a cleanup, 168 00:08:47,001 --> 00:08:50,668 then there will be no healing inside you. 169 00:08:50,668 --> 00:08:53,043 And part of that process is, 170 00:08:53,251 --> 00:08:56,001 "I never wanna go through this again," meaning you. 171 00:08:57,918 --> 00:08:59,126 Never again. 172 00:09:00,418 --> 00:09:02,126 Never again. 173 00:09:02,251 --> 00:09:04,710 Destiny hasn't been showing a lot of emotion. 174 00:09:04,918 --> 00:09:06,876 And that's not necessarily a bad thing. 175 00:09:07,001 --> 00:09:09,126 It may just be her personality. 176 00:09:09,251 --> 00:09:13,251 But, from my experience, things could change at any time. 177 00:09:21,585 --> 00:09:23,168 Hi, everybody. 178 00:09:23,293 --> 00:09:24,710 - Hi. - Hi. 179 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:25,960 How's everybody holding up? 180 00:09:26,085 --> 00:09:29,293 This is the last room of the house, 181 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:32,543 and, of course, the most difficult. 182 00:09:32,668 --> 00:09:34,543 What are you feeling, Destiny? 183 00:09:50,418 --> 00:09:53,626 I know it's not easy thinking that she was living like this 184 00:09:53,793 --> 00:09:57,210 and that she passed in these conditions. 185 00:09:57,335 --> 00:10:00,668 I think you all are gonna feel just a little bit better 186 00:10:00,793 --> 00:10:02,835 once we can get this room in order for you. 187 00:10:02,835 --> 00:10:05,793 Do you guys feel like you need some time 188 00:10:05,918 --> 00:10:08,626 to just digest? - Absolutely not. 189 00:10:08,751 --> 00:10:09,960 Let's get this over with. 190 00:10:24,585 --> 00:10:28,585 We filled up 18 tons worth of stuff. 191 00:10:28,710 --> 00:10:29,710 That's nine dumpsters. 192 00:10:38,001 --> 00:10:39,001 Hi, family. - Hello. 193 00:10:39,001 --> 00:10:39,876 Hi. 194 00:10:40,001 --> 00:10:40,918 Hello there. 195 00:10:40,918 --> 00:10:42,210 Come on into your living room! 196 00:10:42,210 --> 00:10:43,585 Right here, wow. 197 00:10:46,585 --> 00:10:48,043 - Wow. - Oh my God. 198 00:10:48,043 --> 00:10:49,751 - Wow. - Wow. 199 00:10:49,876 --> 00:10:51,626 - Wow. - What do you think? 200 00:10:51,751 --> 00:10:53,626 This is the most space I've seen in here 201 00:10:53,751 --> 00:10:54,876 in a very long time. - Yeah. 202 00:10:54,876 --> 00:10:57,210 Does it feel too empty? 203 00:10:57,335 --> 00:11:00,376 No, actually, I like the way it's open and clear. 204 00:11:00,501 --> 00:11:02,376 Mm-hmm. 205 00:11:02,501 --> 00:11:04,710 Seeing the house, now that it's all been cleared out, 206 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:07,543 I do feel a sense of freedom. 207 00:11:07,543 --> 00:11:08,876 All I could think this whole week was, 208 00:11:09,043 --> 00:11:11,835 "How in the world did I live like this?" 209 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,001 I never wanna live like that again. 210 00:11:14,126 --> 00:11:17,376 This has been an unbelievable experience. 211 00:11:17,501 --> 00:11:18,585 It's changed my life, 212 00:11:18,751 --> 00:11:20,543 and I know it's changed my siblings' lives, 213 00:11:20,543 --> 00:11:22,918 and it's definitely changed Destiny's life. 214 00:11:23,085 --> 00:11:25,876 She can move forward without all of this emotional 215 00:11:26,001 --> 00:11:27,876 and physical baggage weighing her down. 216 00:11:28,001 --> 00:11:30,376 - You ready? - Oh, Lord. 217 00:11:30,585 --> 00:11:32,543 - Oh my God! - Oh, wow! 218 00:11:36,835 --> 00:11:38,876 That is beautiful! 219 00:11:39,001 --> 00:11:39,960 - Oh, wow! - Goodness. 220 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,376 Seeing my bedroom was such a beautiful moment. 221 00:11:46,501 --> 00:11:48,001 I couldn't even imagine 222 00:11:48,001 --> 00:11:50,418 having that much space in my room. 223 00:11:50,418 --> 00:11:51,626 Does it feel okay in here? 224 00:11:51,751 --> 00:11:53,043 Oh, yeah. 225 00:11:53,168 --> 00:11:55,335 Seriously, I'm this close to just diving on. 226 00:11:59,001 --> 00:12:01,126 I'm glad it feels good for you, 227 00:12:01,251 --> 00:12:05,835 because that's everything that we had hoped for for you. 228 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:09,085 Oh! 229 00:12:11,251 --> 00:12:12,835 Walking into my mother's bedroom, 230 00:12:12,835 --> 00:12:14,460 there's a lot of beauty in that room now 231 00:12:14,585 --> 00:12:16,210 that wasn't there before. 232 00:12:16,335 --> 00:12:17,710 It was very, very dark, 233 00:12:17,876 --> 00:12:21,876 and it almost felt as tortured as my mom herself. 234 00:12:22,043 --> 00:12:25,751 But now it feels free, you know? 235 00:12:25,876 --> 00:12:28,376 Aftercare is gonna be critical for Destiny. 236 00:12:28,376 --> 00:12:30,710 She needs to deal with the emotional pain 237 00:12:30,835 --> 00:12:32,918 of losing her mother. 238 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:35,835 In addition to that, she has a whole nother journey 239 00:12:36,001 --> 00:12:40,085 that she's gonna embark on, which is to reclaim her life. 240 00:12:40,210 --> 00:12:43,418 Her entire path was truly hidden underneath this hoard, 241 00:12:43,543 --> 00:12:45,710 and now her future is open. 242 00:12:45,876 --> 00:12:47,001 Yeah, there's work to be done, 243 00:12:47,001 --> 00:12:50,835 but her metamorphosis is just as grand 244 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,710 or even more grand than the house itself. 245 00:12:53,835 --> 00:12:55,835 I'm not sure what's next, 246 00:12:55,835 --> 00:12:59,585 but I think the future is looking pretty bright 247 00:12:59,751 --> 00:13:01,210 from where I'm sitting. 248 00:13:35,251 --> 00:13:36,210 Oh my gosh! 249 00:13:38,168 --> 00:13:39,085 Hi! 250 00:13:40,585 --> 00:13:42,251 So good to see you. 251 00:13:42,418 --> 00:13:43,543 I'm Dorothy Breininger. 252 00:13:43,710 --> 00:13:45,210 I'm a professional organizing expert, 253 00:13:45,210 --> 00:13:47,710 and I specialize in hoarding. 254 00:13:47,710 --> 00:13:49,376 Good to see you, Roddy. - Good to see you. 255 00:13:49,543 --> 00:13:50,960 Oh my gosh. 256 00:13:51,126 --> 00:13:52,251 All right, my mother always said, 257 00:13:52,418 --> 00:13:55,376 "When you have a new house, housewarming gift." 258 00:13:55,376 --> 00:13:57,126 You know what? Let me put these down. 259 00:13:57,251 --> 00:13:59,126 I'll stick 'em over here for a second. 260 00:13:59,251 --> 00:14:02,626 It has been about a year and a half since the cleanup. 261 00:14:02,751 --> 00:14:04,043 There we go. 262 00:14:04,168 --> 00:14:06,668 I am really excited to see what Destiny's up to. 263 00:14:06,835 --> 00:14:09,043 I wanna know what she's done. 264 00:14:09,168 --> 00:14:12,251 I'm curious from all perspectives. 265 00:14:12,376 --> 00:14:17,210 How long were you in your mom's house 266 00:14:17,376 --> 00:14:21,168 before you actually made the move to this house? 267 00:14:21,335 --> 00:14:23,085 - From the cleanup? - Yeah. 268 00:14:24,543 --> 00:14:25,626 About a week. 269 00:14:25,751 --> 00:14:28,543 So you stayed a week, that was it. 270 00:14:28,668 --> 00:14:29,793 After the cleanup, 271 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,543 Destiny came and stayed with me and my husband 272 00:14:31,668 --> 00:14:33,960 for between six and seven months. 273 00:14:34,085 --> 00:14:35,210 And during that time, 274 00:14:35,335 --> 00:14:38,210 I pushed her to look for jobs, 275 00:14:38,335 --> 00:14:40,793 to clean up after herself if she made a mess. 276 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,376 You know, I just made it very clear 277 00:14:42,501 --> 00:14:46,210 that just because of the situation she was in, 278 00:14:46,335 --> 00:14:48,293 doesn't mean it's the situation she, uh, 279 00:14:48,418 --> 00:14:50,210 that life doesn't need to be that way, 280 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:52,168 that she can choose something else. 281 00:14:52,168 --> 00:14:55,251 Now she is, I could say, thriving on her own. 282 00:14:56,251 --> 00:14:59,876 So here we are, this looks new-ish. 283 00:14:59,876 --> 00:15:02,001 - Mm=hmm. - Beautiful. 284 00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:04,876 And are you renting, owning here? 285 00:15:05,043 --> 00:15:06,376 - Renting. - You're renting? 286 00:15:06,376 --> 00:15:08,501 And I've been here for a year and two months. 287 00:15:08,626 --> 00:15:09,293 - You have? - Mm-hmm. 288 00:15:09,418 --> 00:15:10,460 Wow. 289 00:15:10,585 --> 00:15:13,210 Since the cleanup, I have started a job, 290 00:15:13,335 --> 00:15:15,543 found a place, started another job. 291 00:15:15,543 --> 00:15:19,751 So I have two jobs now, one full-time, one part-time. 292 00:15:19,876 --> 00:15:21,585 and I have my own car, 293 00:15:23,085 --> 00:15:25,585 and everything is going really, really well right now. 294 00:15:27,376 --> 00:15:28,501 At this point, I'm curious, 295 00:15:28,501 --> 00:15:29,668 do you have any regrets, 296 00:15:29,835 --> 00:15:32,543 any mistakes that were made by us 297 00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:35,876 or the family during that time? 298 00:15:36,043 --> 00:15:37,501 No regrets. 299 00:15:37,668 --> 00:15:39,376 - No regrets? - No regrets. 300 00:15:39,543 --> 00:15:43,918 And, Roddy, how did that process go for you 301 00:15:43,918 --> 00:15:46,876 when we were organizing your mom's space 302 00:15:47,001 --> 00:15:48,460 and Destiny's space? 303 00:15:48,585 --> 00:15:49,543 It was hard, you know, 304 00:15:49,668 --> 00:15:52,043 there's a lot of things I still think about. 305 00:15:52,210 --> 00:15:53,793 Did we move too fast? 306 00:15:53,918 --> 00:15:55,043 Were there things that we missed? 307 00:15:55,210 --> 00:15:56,710 But the fact that, you know, 308 00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:58,376 she's in a much better place now, 309 00:15:58,376 --> 00:16:00,210 having her own place, her own space, 310 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:02,918 I wouldn't take it back for anything. 311 00:16:03,085 --> 00:16:06,876 Okay, well, this, this presentation right here, 312 00:16:07,043 --> 00:16:08,960 this transformation, 313 00:16:10,251 --> 00:16:12,210 I think it's giving me an inkling of what I'm gonna see. 314 00:16:12,335 --> 00:16:13,751 But can we go inside and look? 315 00:16:13,876 --> 00:16:15,168 - Oh, yeah. - Okay. 316 00:16:15,168 --> 00:16:16,376 - I'm ready for you. - All right, all right. 317 00:16:16,501 --> 00:16:17,335 Take me in. 318 00:16:19,126 --> 00:16:20,543 We'll be back. - All right. 319 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,876 Oh my God! 320 00:16:26,876 --> 00:16:28,835 This is your place? - This is my place. 321 00:16:28,835 --> 00:16:31,085 - This is yours? - This is mine. 322 00:16:31,251 --> 00:16:32,043 What do you think of it? 323 00:16:32,168 --> 00:16:34,210 - Love it. - You love it? 324 00:16:34,376 --> 00:16:35,710 Mm-hmm. 325 00:16:35,835 --> 00:16:39,543 Life now is so much brighter. 326 00:16:39,668 --> 00:16:42,168 I fought tooth and nail for it to be as bright as it is. 327 00:16:42,293 --> 00:16:44,876 And there has not been one moment 328 00:16:45,085 --> 00:16:48,501 I have regretted going through this whole process. 329 00:16:49,668 --> 00:16:52,251 This is nothing like 330 00:16:52,376 --> 00:16:54,001 the bathroom before. - Not at all. 331 00:16:54,001 --> 00:16:56,710 - No hazmat suit required. - Nope. 332 00:16:56,876 --> 00:16:58,793 How hard is it to keep it up? 333 00:16:58,918 --> 00:17:00,085 It's not hard at all. 334 00:17:00,085 --> 00:17:02,001 - Oh my gosh. - It's not hard at all. 335 00:17:02,001 --> 00:17:04,085 - Next stop. - Bedroom. 336 00:17:04,251 --> 00:17:07,543 Let me just look here, amazing. 337 00:17:07,668 --> 00:17:08,793 She's got her bed. 338 00:17:08,918 --> 00:17:11,376 It's completely open, nothing's on it. 339 00:17:11,543 --> 00:17:13,126 I mean, I look at it, it's like a norm, 340 00:17:13,293 --> 00:17:14,835 no, better than a normal room. 341 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,460 Most people have some clutter, not her. 342 00:17:17,585 --> 00:17:19,918 I'm gonna go back in time for a second. 343 00:17:20,085 --> 00:17:21,376 Okay. 344 00:17:21,501 --> 00:17:24,085 We, together, you and I were in your bedroom. 345 00:17:29,251 --> 00:17:31,168 Now I'm gonna ask you something. 346 00:17:32,376 --> 00:17:35,085 Is this how I'm supposed to be cleaning a bedroom? 347 00:17:35,085 --> 00:17:36,543 Nope. 348 00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:39,460 What's wrong with this picture, babe? 349 00:17:39,585 --> 00:17:40,876 So much. 350 00:17:40,876 --> 00:17:42,335 There's so much. 351 00:17:42,501 --> 00:17:45,043 I'm using a shovel in your bedroom. 352 00:17:45,043 --> 00:17:46,085 Not okay. 353 00:17:47,835 --> 00:17:49,918 What was that like then? 354 00:17:50,043 --> 00:17:53,335 I'm shoveling wrappers and trash 355 00:17:53,335 --> 00:17:55,210 out of your bed and bedroom. - Mortifying. 356 00:17:55,376 --> 00:17:57,043 - It was mortifying? - Mortifying. 357 00:17:57,168 --> 00:17:59,335 Did I embarrass you at that point? 358 00:17:59,335 --> 00:18:01,501 Not in so much that you embarrassed me, 359 00:18:01,501 --> 00:18:04,293 in that that was embarrassing for myself 360 00:18:04,418 --> 00:18:06,710 that I had let it get like that, 361 00:18:06,876 --> 00:18:08,210 and I needed that embarrassment. 362 00:18:08,335 --> 00:18:09,668 - You did? - Mm-hmm. 363 00:18:09,668 --> 00:18:12,626 This is not something I'm ever gonna let happen again, 364 00:18:12,751 --> 00:18:15,043 because this is not safe, 365 00:18:15,168 --> 00:18:18,376 it's not healthy, it's not any way to live. 366 00:18:18,376 --> 00:18:22,168 - Oh my gosh, and you matter. - Yes. 367 00:18:22,168 --> 00:18:24,793 With organizing, like, there's two ways to go, right? 368 00:18:24,918 --> 00:18:26,668 - Yep. - One way is to stay 369 00:18:26,668 --> 00:18:28,835 with the pain in the past, 370 00:18:28,835 --> 00:18:30,251 or the other way is to look 371 00:18:30,418 --> 00:18:32,001 for the future and the possibility, 372 00:18:32,001 --> 00:18:34,210 and, man, did you do it. - Thank you. 373 00:18:34,376 --> 00:18:37,418 Yes, I noticed a very organized home. 374 00:18:37,585 --> 00:18:41,876 But what I noticed was Destiny's pride around it. 375 00:18:42,001 --> 00:18:44,543 Like, I was looking at her 376 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:46,501 to see how she was with the new space, 377 00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:50,126 but she was looking at me to see what I thought 378 00:18:50,251 --> 00:18:53,626 about maybe the space or maybe her. 379 00:18:54,918 --> 00:18:56,793 And she gets my stamp of approval, by the way. 380 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,043 Come on, let's go talk outside. 381 00:18:59,043 --> 00:19:00,126 Okay. 382 00:19:12,168 --> 00:19:13,751 - You've been in there? - Yep. 383 00:19:13,918 --> 00:19:15,085 You saw all this transformation? 384 00:19:15,210 --> 00:19:16,876 I did. I helped her move in. 385 00:19:17,043 --> 00:19:18,460 I'm holding back my tears, 386 00:19:18,585 --> 00:19:21,710 maybe masking it with some, you know, effervescence. 387 00:19:24,751 --> 00:19:28,126 But, honestly, I've never seen anything like this, never. 388 00:19:28,251 --> 00:19:31,918 You did this, you supported your sister doing this, 389 00:19:32,085 --> 00:19:35,668 all in the face of your mom's death. 390 00:19:35,793 --> 00:19:39,043 I mean, this was really brave of you to just go and say, 391 00:19:39,168 --> 00:19:42,376 "Yeah, our mom passed away yesterday, 392 00:19:42,376 --> 00:19:43,751 and we're moving forward." 393 00:19:43,876 --> 00:19:45,085 How did that evolve? 394 00:19:45,251 --> 00:19:46,543 How did this happen? 395 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:49,710 We were at the hospital after we found out, 396 00:19:49,835 --> 00:19:53,751 and I turned to Roddy and I said, "We still have to do it." 397 00:19:53,751 --> 00:19:57,043 I knew then that it was not an option. 398 00:19:57,210 --> 00:19:58,710 And it was ultimately her decision. 399 00:19:58,835 --> 00:20:00,418 And if Destiny wants to go through with it, 400 00:20:00,543 --> 00:20:02,501 you know, it's her life. 401 00:20:02,626 --> 00:20:04,418 You know, this is her story, 402 00:20:05,418 --> 00:20:07,418 and we left it all up to her 403 00:20:07,585 --> 00:20:10,668 to kind of rebound that quickly and say, 404 00:20:10,793 --> 00:20:12,585 "This is something that has to be done." 405 00:20:12,751 --> 00:20:14,293 There wasn't even any rebounding! 406 00:20:14,293 --> 00:20:15,751 No. Yeah. 407 00:20:15,918 --> 00:20:19,335 I mean, you just, where did that courage come from? 408 00:20:19,335 --> 00:20:22,085 You were at the bottom of the barrel there. 409 00:20:22,210 --> 00:20:24,126 - I was. - How did that come up 410 00:20:24,251 --> 00:20:26,918 and out and say, "I'm doing it anyway?" 411 00:20:27,043 --> 00:20:28,376 I had already seen light. 412 00:20:29,543 --> 00:20:31,418 I wasn't about to turn the light away. 413 00:20:31,543 --> 00:20:36,043 And I'm curious, did you take advantage of the aftercare? 414 00:20:36,043 --> 00:20:37,210 - I did. - You did? 415 00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:38,710 - I did. - What did that look like? 416 00:20:38,835 --> 00:20:40,543 What happened for you? 417 00:20:40,668 --> 00:20:43,626 I had 12 therapy sessions. 418 00:20:44,876 --> 00:20:46,835 I did each and every one. 419 00:20:46,835 --> 00:20:48,501 I had finished by September. 420 00:20:48,501 --> 00:20:50,376 - Valuable? - Very. 421 00:20:51,543 --> 00:20:53,585 I think the aftercare was instrumental 422 00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:57,585 in Destiny's, I guess, recovery. 423 00:20:57,710 --> 00:21:01,043 It was important for her to see an outside perspective, 424 00:21:01,168 --> 00:21:02,251 to be able to talk to someone 425 00:21:02,418 --> 00:21:04,043 who was completely removed from the situation, 426 00:21:04,043 --> 00:21:07,376 and someone who was licensed to talk about those things. 427 00:21:07,376 --> 00:21:10,126 Can you remember like a nugget that was, 428 00:21:10,126 --> 00:21:13,168 like, really important for you? 429 00:21:13,168 --> 00:21:18,293 Any emotions that are big, write 'em down. 430 00:21:18,918 --> 00:21:19,710 Get 'em out. - Okay. 431 00:21:19,835 --> 00:21:22,001 That way they're not festering. 432 00:21:22,001 --> 00:21:23,710 'Cause that's what they did before. 433 00:21:23,835 --> 00:21:25,293 That's all they did. 434 00:21:25,418 --> 00:21:26,876 If I hadn't had done the aftercare, 435 00:21:26,876 --> 00:21:29,710 I think this would be a much different story. 436 00:21:29,876 --> 00:21:33,043 It wouldn't be what it was before, 437 00:21:33,251 --> 00:21:35,376 but I wouldn't be doing half as well. 438 00:21:36,751 --> 00:21:40,293 One of my favorite things about doing this hoarder show 439 00:21:40,418 --> 00:21:42,585 is that they offer aftercare. 440 00:21:42,751 --> 00:21:46,126 We do not leave anybody behind that way. 441 00:21:46,251 --> 00:21:49,793 Does everybody take advantage of the aftercare? No. 442 00:21:49,918 --> 00:21:52,293 But not only did you do it, but you did it with alacrity. 443 00:21:52,418 --> 00:21:53,918 You did it with quickness. 444 00:21:54,043 --> 00:21:56,918 You just got into it and you didn't miss a single session. 445 00:21:56,918 --> 00:21:58,210 No. 446 00:21:58,376 --> 00:22:01,376 Most people don't even want to take advantage 447 00:22:01,501 --> 00:22:02,668 of what we offer, 448 00:22:02,793 --> 00:22:04,876 which is this wonderful aftercare. 449 00:22:05,043 --> 00:22:07,543 She did and it shows! 450 00:22:07,668 --> 00:22:10,043 If you had asked me two years ago 451 00:22:10,168 --> 00:22:14,876 if she could do something like this, I would've said no. 452 00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:16,876 She has proven me wrong. 453 00:22:17,001 --> 00:22:20,501 I will be forever proud of who she's becoming 454 00:22:20,626 --> 00:22:22,168 and the progress she's made. 455 00:22:22,293 --> 00:22:24,501 I'm coming over to kiss you now, prepare! 456 00:22:24,626 --> 00:22:26,751 Great job, you. 457 00:22:27,751 --> 00:22:30,085 Destiny's story is truly a success. 458 00:22:30,251 --> 00:22:32,918 She really is ready for this new life. 459 00:22:33,043 --> 00:22:36,210 I've never ever seen anybody do anything 460 00:22:36,335 --> 00:22:37,960 like what you're up to. - Thank you. 461 00:22:38,085 --> 00:22:39,960 And it's only just beginning. 462 00:22:40,085 --> 00:22:40,876 It really is. 463 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,376 I am very proud of the journey I've taken. 464 00:22:45,376 --> 00:22:47,918 The destination so far, pretty good. 465 00:23:01,418 --> 00:23:05,001 I'm Terri, I'm a private caregiver, 466 00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:08,835 an artist, an antiquer, 467 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,043 and I've collected way, way, way too much. 468 00:23:15,918 --> 00:23:20,210 I have books, antiques, and pots and pans, 469 00:23:21,085 --> 00:23:24,001 collectible glass, jewelry. 470 00:23:24,001 --> 00:23:26,418 I've got threads for sewing 471 00:23:26,585 --> 00:23:30,251 and drawing supplies for my artwork. 472 00:23:30,418 --> 00:23:33,043 I've collected so much 473 00:23:33,168 --> 00:23:37,460 that it's hard to get from one room to the other. 474 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:42,001 I am Kraig, Terri is my longtime girlfriend. 475 00:23:43,585 --> 00:23:46,668 Terri and I have been together for 45 years. 476 00:23:46,835 --> 00:23:49,251 We've discussed being married. 477 00:23:49,418 --> 00:23:52,793 However, we are not alike and compatible 478 00:23:52,918 --> 00:23:55,418 when it comes to putting things in a house. 479 00:23:55,585 --> 00:23:56,876 I like to have space, 480 00:23:57,043 --> 00:24:01,376 but Terri accumulates so many things 481 00:24:01,501 --> 00:24:04,793 that it just clutters a house. 482 00:24:04,918 --> 00:24:06,585 And it's not easy to live in a house 483 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:09,501 with so many items all over the place. 484 00:24:09,501 --> 00:24:11,085 Just so full. 485 00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:14,501 Terri's an Olympic champion hoarder, no doubt. 486 00:24:14,501 --> 00:24:17,043 She would receive a gold medal in hoarding. 487 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,210 I've pleaded with Terri to get a job 488 00:24:28,210 --> 00:24:33,293 that didn't require her to be working 24 hours a day, 489 00:24:34,751 --> 00:24:39,043 but that didn't work out and my pleads were unanswered. 490 00:24:39,835 --> 00:24:42,251 When you have a relationship 491 00:24:42,376 --> 00:24:46,418 and you share your time together 492 00:24:46,585 --> 00:24:50,210 and you're not there to share it, 493 00:24:51,543 --> 00:24:53,668 it messes things up completely. 494 00:24:55,543 --> 00:24:57,626 If Terri is able to clean the house 495 00:24:57,751 --> 00:24:59,210 and make good decisions, 496 00:25:00,418 --> 00:25:02,918 I will be ready to propose marriage 497 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:05,543 and start a, 498 00:25:08,251 --> 00:25:09,376 start a new life. 499 00:25:18,585 --> 00:25:19,335 Good morning, everyone. 500 00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:21,210 Good morning! 501 00:25:21,335 --> 00:25:22,751 Terri, how are you feeling today? 502 00:25:22,918 --> 00:25:26,543 I have feelings of nervousness for sure. 503 00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:31,043 I'll take it a step at a time, a piece at a time. 504 00:25:31,168 --> 00:25:32,376 And thank you for that, 505 00:25:32,543 --> 00:25:35,626 because this is gonna be very difficult, 506 00:25:35,751 --> 00:25:37,585 and right now is probably the easiest part 507 00:25:37,751 --> 00:25:39,376 because we haven't done anything. 508 00:25:39,501 --> 00:25:40,668 Uh-huh. 509 00:25:40,835 --> 00:25:43,085 And it's gonna be really challenging for you. 510 00:25:43,251 --> 00:25:44,668 And while what's to happen 511 00:25:44,668 --> 00:25:47,001 is gonna be very anxiety producing, 512 00:25:47,126 --> 00:25:49,835 it's also going to produce change. 513 00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:51,751 We're gonna turn it over to Cory, 514 00:25:51,876 --> 00:25:54,460 so he can talk about the plan. - Okay. 515 00:25:54,585 --> 00:25:56,210 So what I'd like to start with today 516 00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:58,668 is if we can clear out the backyard here. 517 00:25:58,668 --> 00:26:01,210 And I think if we can start real quick out here 518 00:26:01,376 --> 00:26:02,418 and make some fast decisions, 519 00:26:02,543 --> 00:26:03,960 this will give us the room we need 520 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,751 to start bringing stuff out of the home. 521 00:26:05,918 --> 00:26:07,001 So you guys ready to get started? 522 00:26:07,001 --> 00:26:08,043 - Ready! - Yes. 523 00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:10,668 All right, let's work on this pile. 524 00:26:12,918 --> 00:26:13,960 What about these shelves? - Yeah. 525 00:26:14,085 --> 00:26:15,168 I'm assuming they go with that. 526 00:26:15,335 --> 00:26:16,585 This goes with this, and I wanna keep that. 527 00:26:16,751 --> 00:26:19,418 Okay, and what about this marble top? 528 00:26:19,585 --> 00:26:20,751 I would like to keep that too. 529 00:26:20,876 --> 00:26:23,918 Does it go to something? 530 00:26:24,085 --> 00:26:26,626 It goes to something, but I don't know. 531 00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:29,585 Is anything over there that you kept, 532 00:26:29,751 --> 00:26:32,543 the end of the world if it didn't get saved? 533 00:26:32,668 --> 00:26:34,668 - It's hard! - It is hard. 534 00:26:34,668 --> 00:26:36,710 It's very hard, and that's why you haven't done it. 535 00:26:36,876 --> 00:26:38,210 Terri, look through that stuff right there 536 00:26:38,335 --> 00:26:40,501 and just see if there's anything you can't live without. 537 00:26:40,501 --> 00:26:42,543 Like, get these people busy moving things. 538 00:26:42,751 --> 00:26:44,501 These tools, just let 'em go? 539 00:26:44,668 --> 00:26:45,751 Yeah, let 'em go, Terri. 540 00:26:45,876 --> 00:26:47,085 They're old and those aren't good. 541 00:26:47,251 --> 00:26:50,043 - Some of it's trash. - We'll throw the trash away. 542 00:26:51,168 --> 00:26:53,710 With a little push, help from Kraig, 543 00:26:53,876 --> 00:26:55,918 she's making much better decisions in the backyard. 544 00:26:55,918 --> 00:26:58,626 We're gonna have plenty of room now to get the ball rolling. 545 00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:00,460 I did okay. 546 00:27:00,585 --> 00:27:03,210 That was quick, quick for me. 547 00:27:04,668 --> 00:27:06,376 You're doing great, Terri. 548 00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:08,876 It's gonna be so awesome 549 00:27:09,043 --> 00:27:10,043 to have an art studio here. 550 00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:12,376 You know, and have a kitchen here, 551 00:27:12,376 --> 00:27:15,876 and a living spot, and a bedroom. 552 00:27:16,001 --> 00:27:17,335 It's just gonna be fabulous. 553 00:27:19,085 --> 00:27:20,335 It's like a dream come true. 554 00:27:29,335 --> 00:27:30,418 Come on over. 555 00:27:30,585 --> 00:27:32,501 I left here last night. 556 00:27:32,668 --> 00:27:34,835 Kraig's in the truck with me saying, 557 00:27:34,835 --> 00:27:37,043 "Terri, do you think you can put some pride 558 00:27:37,168 --> 00:27:39,376 in your house once this is over?" 559 00:27:39,501 --> 00:27:44,085 And I'm thinking, how much can I do at one time? 560 00:27:44,251 --> 00:27:46,376 Put some pride in whatever I'm doing? 561 00:27:48,085 --> 00:27:50,710 Don't say this to me right now! 562 00:27:50,835 --> 00:27:55,585 I just went through this day dealing with all of this! 563 00:27:55,710 --> 00:28:00,210 This is 25 or 30 years of issues of me. 564 00:28:00,210 --> 00:28:03,918 I bought this stuff to try and resell it to make money. 565 00:28:04,085 --> 00:28:07,585 Then, I snowballed into caring for people, 566 00:28:07,751 --> 00:28:09,543 and I don't even care for myself right! 567 00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:11,210 I know, I know, and that's the place 568 00:28:11,335 --> 00:28:12,876 that we wanna get right now, Terri. 569 00:28:13,001 --> 00:28:15,126 And to figure it out in one week? 570 00:28:15,251 --> 00:28:18,043 It's hard. - It is hard. It is hard. 571 00:28:18,168 --> 00:28:21,001 Let's give you a few minutes to just try to decompress. 572 00:28:21,001 --> 00:28:24,043 Try to clear your mind a little bit. 573 00:28:24,043 --> 00:28:26,460 Let's see how you're doing in about 10 or 15 minutes. 574 00:28:34,876 --> 00:28:36,460 So where's the piece of furniture 575 00:28:36,585 --> 00:28:39,085 that was right there by the door? 576 00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:40,210 I don't know. 577 00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:41,210 I don't even know what piece of furniture 578 00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:42,501 you're talking about. 579 00:28:42,668 --> 00:28:45,376 It was a church pedestal, I don't see it anywhere here. 580 00:28:45,543 --> 00:28:46,876 And nobody said anything to me, 581 00:28:46,876 --> 00:28:48,376 "Oh, do you wanna keep this?" 582 00:28:48,543 --> 00:28:52,043 And that was a sentimental piece too, so let's go, 583 00:28:52,168 --> 00:28:53,001 we'll keep going. - Let's have you check 584 00:28:53,001 --> 00:28:54,710 with your guys, in the meantime, 585 00:28:54,835 --> 00:28:55,960 we'll have the guys 586 00:28:56,085 --> 00:28:57,251 start bringing the stuff out for sorting. 587 00:28:57,418 --> 00:28:58,293 Okay? - Okay. 588 00:28:58,418 --> 00:28:59,876 All right, sounds good. 589 00:29:06,668 --> 00:29:07,626 Isn't that what you're looking for? 590 00:29:07,751 --> 00:29:09,668 - Okay, where was it? - In the front. 591 00:29:09,668 --> 00:29:10,876 We went and got it outta the truck. 592 00:29:11,001 --> 00:29:12,043 It's still here, they didn't throw it away. 593 00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:13,710 Okay, you got it out of the truck? 594 00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:14,460 - Mm-hmm. - Why was it in the truck 595 00:29:14,585 --> 00:29:15,876 to begin with? 596 00:29:16,001 --> 00:29:17,043 Because someone put it in the donate pile, 597 00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:18,126 but it didn't go, it's here. 598 00:29:18,251 --> 00:29:20,001 And nobody showed me it either! 599 00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:21,918 I didn't know that was your sentimental piece, 600 00:29:22,085 --> 00:29:23,751 I am responsible for that. 601 00:29:23,918 --> 00:29:28,001 It's ugly to me, so I'm sorry, that's what happened. 602 00:29:28,126 --> 00:29:30,043 I just got the list from Code Enforcement 603 00:29:30,043 --> 00:29:31,710 and it tells me this house 604 00:29:31,835 --> 00:29:33,960 has to be emptied of all this stuff. 605 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,501 Come on, Terri, dear. 606 00:29:35,668 --> 00:29:37,251 Get 'em busy, please. 607 00:29:37,418 --> 00:29:38,293 Darn it! Okay! 608 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:55,376 We're putting the final touches on Terri's house. 609 00:29:55,501 --> 00:29:56,543 We have the maids cleaning. 610 00:29:56,668 --> 00:29:58,710 We have all the keep boxes going into the garage. 611 00:29:58,835 --> 00:30:00,376 We made a lot of room. 612 00:30:00,501 --> 00:30:02,293 It should be ready to go in just a few minutes. 613 00:30:12,418 --> 00:30:14,126 What do you think? 614 00:30:18,751 --> 00:30:20,043 It looks like a smile. 615 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:22,585 You have a functioning kitchen again. 616 00:30:22,751 --> 00:30:24,043 - Yeah, and it's great. - It's spacious. 617 00:30:24,168 --> 00:30:26,626 No doubt, wonderful. - This is amazing, isn't it? 618 00:30:27,918 --> 00:30:29,085 We were able to make so much progress. 619 00:30:29,251 --> 00:30:31,043 If Code Enforcement comes to Terri's house, 620 00:30:31,251 --> 00:30:33,251 they will be completely happy and sign off on it 621 00:30:33,376 --> 00:30:35,335 if Terri manages to keep it as clean as it is now. 622 00:30:38,418 --> 00:30:39,710 Oh. 623 00:30:44,001 --> 00:30:46,835 Oh, fabulous, was this my art desk? 624 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,668 - No. - No. 625 00:30:47,835 --> 00:30:49,043 We got that. 626 00:30:49,168 --> 00:30:50,501 We got this over here for you. - Sweet, yes! 627 00:30:50,501 --> 00:30:53,001 Got an easel for you. It's your lighting, 628 00:30:53,001 --> 00:30:55,460 Inspiration on the walls. - And it's perfect, yes. 629 00:30:55,585 --> 00:30:57,168 - You're ready to go. - Okay. 630 00:30:57,168 --> 00:30:58,876 And I expect pictures sent to us 631 00:30:58,876 --> 00:31:00,585 of the first things you create. 632 00:31:00,710 --> 00:31:02,126 I know, right? 633 00:31:02,251 --> 00:31:03,460 We don't ask for much, 634 00:31:03,585 --> 00:31:05,543 but we do ask for that. - If you'll press me to- 635 00:31:05,668 --> 00:31:07,210 All right. 636 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,543 So yesterday we were a little nervous 637 00:31:11,668 --> 00:31:15,335 because half of this archway was blocked with boxes. 638 00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:16,543 Uh-huh. 639 00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:19,793 And essentially the room was filled with furniture. 640 00:31:19,918 --> 00:31:22,168 And now you and Kraig have a sitting room. 641 00:31:22,293 --> 00:31:23,543 You have a TV over there. 642 00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:26,043 You've got your stereo, VCR, you can watch movies. 643 00:31:26,168 --> 00:31:28,126 Couch, chairs, the whole bit. 644 00:31:28,251 --> 00:31:31,543 Yes, thanks for all of your hard work. 645 00:31:31,543 --> 00:31:33,376 Kraig, I think we should turn it over to you, 646 00:31:33,376 --> 00:31:36,168 because this is a new beginning for you, too. 647 00:31:36,168 --> 00:31:39,376 Yes, Terri, you've done such a wonderful job. 648 00:31:39,376 --> 00:31:41,293 We've shared so much for many years, 649 00:31:41,418 --> 00:31:44,793 the love and laughs, and tears and cheers. 650 00:31:44,918 --> 00:31:48,168 And so, Terri, dear, I'm gonna do this. 651 00:31:52,168 --> 00:31:54,335 Would you please now marry me? 652 00:31:56,376 --> 00:31:57,210 Yes, I will. 653 00:32:03,501 --> 00:32:05,710 Cleaning up this house 654 00:32:05,876 --> 00:32:08,043 represents something really special 655 00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:10,210 with Kraig feeling as though 656 00:32:10,335 --> 00:32:13,168 he's more important than my things. 657 00:32:13,293 --> 00:32:15,585 And it was a perfect time for him to say, 658 00:32:15,751 --> 00:32:18,043 "Terri, I'm proud of you, 659 00:32:18,043 --> 00:32:20,626 and would you be my wife?" 660 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960 That's as sweet as it could be. 661 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,210 - Cheers to you. - Cheers! 662 00:32:26,418 --> 00:32:28,835 - Cheers to both of you! - Cheers! 663 00:33:04,126 --> 00:33:06,001 Hi, Terri, good morning! 664 00:33:06,126 --> 00:33:07,501 - Good morning. - Hello, hi. 665 00:33:07,626 --> 00:33:09,835 It's nice to see you. - Same here. 666 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,710 And good morning to you, Kraig! 667 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:12,585 Hi, Dr. Zasio. 668 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:14,126 It is such an honor 669 00:33:14,251 --> 00:33:15,585 to have you with us today. - It's nice to see you too. 670 00:33:15,585 --> 00:33:17,335 Thank you, very nice to be with you 671 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:18,960 and thank you for being here. 672 00:33:19,085 --> 00:33:20,710 So the two of you live here now? 673 00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:22,043 - We do. - Okay. 674 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:24,043 And tell me about your home. 675 00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:26,335 Do you spend time over there? 676 00:33:26,335 --> 00:33:30,043 I've used my home as a storage dump. 677 00:33:31,293 --> 00:33:34,376 It's felt like it's become a drop off and run. 678 00:33:34,376 --> 00:33:35,376 Okay, okay. 679 00:33:35,501 --> 00:33:37,501 And, Kraig, you haven't been over there? 680 00:33:37,626 --> 00:33:41,460 I have not, Terri keeps me away. 681 00:33:41,585 --> 00:33:44,918 So have you requested to go over there? 682 00:33:45,043 --> 00:33:46,335 - Not much. - No, 683 00:33:46,501 --> 00:33:48,210 because I know it's a disaster. 684 00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:52,585 And I've requested that she get rid of things, 685 00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:53,918 that's for sure, 686 00:33:54,043 --> 00:33:57,085 but Terri continues to buy things, 687 00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:59,626 she continues to bring things into this house 688 00:33:59,751 --> 00:34:01,543 and I do not, you know, 689 00:34:01,668 --> 00:34:06,001 sometimes I move it out, you know, the next day. 690 00:34:06,168 --> 00:34:08,918 So Terri's still buying things and hoarding. 691 00:34:09,085 --> 00:34:11,376 So when Terri brings something in, 692 00:34:11,501 --> 00:34:15,585 and you know it's new, right? - Mm-hmm, you bet. 693 00:34:15,751 --> 00:34:16,626 Where does it go? 694 00:34:16,751 --> 00:34:18,293 Do you throw it away? 695 00:34:18,418 --> 00:34:21,376 Do you set it outside and say, "Take this somewhere else?" 696 00:34:21,376 --> 00:34:25,043 "No, don't bring it, get it out. 697 00:34:25,043 --> 00:34:25,793 Get it out." - Yeah, absolutely. 698 00:34:25,918 --> 00:34:27,168 And if it comes in, 699 00:34:27,293 --> 00:34:30,043 he picks it up and he takes it to the Goodwill 700 00:34:30,168 --> 00:34:32,668 and donates it. - Thrift shops, you bet I do. 701 00:34:32,668 --> 00:34:35,751 Oh my gosh, so you're going out and buying, 702 00:34:35,751 --> 00:34:39,876 and then it simply gets recycled back to the Goodwill again? 703 00:34:40,043 --> 00:34:42,418 - Yes. - Yes, within an instant. 704 00:34:42,585 --> 00:34:46,210 Terri's got so much stuff that I've, 705 00:34:46,376 --> 00:34:49,460 you know, she doesn't need more things to try to get rid of. 706 00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:52,876 What I'm hearing, Kraig, is that you're really angry 707 00:34:53,001 --> 00:34:55,126 that this hasn't stopped. 708 00:34:55,251 --> 00:34:58,251 Yep, yeah, I'm quite angry. 709 00:34:59,501 --> 00:35:01,585 It's clear that Kraig and Terri love each other. 710 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:04,585 They've been together for 47 years, 711 00:35:04,751 --> 00:35:08,126 and there's a lot that's holding this relationship together. 712 00:35:08,251 --> 00:35:11,043 On the other hand, Terri's purchasing, 713 00:35:11,168 --> 00:35:12,918 and essentially throwing away money 714 00:35:13,043 --> 00:35:14,585 over things that she doesn't need, 715 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:17,876 is causing a big fracture in this relationship. 716 00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:23,043 What kind of conflict does this create for the two of you? 717 00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:24,376 It causes conflict big time. 718 00:35:24,543 --> 00:35:27,668 It's bad because he's always using the f-word 719 00:35:27,668 --> 00:35:31,418 and he is saying, "You effing hoarder." 720 00:35:31,585 --> 00:35:34,210 I've never cussed in my life until, 721 00:35:34,376 --> 00:35:37,376 I was never a curser. - And I was never either. 722 00:35:37,501 --> 00:35:41,543 Marriage has brought that upon me a little bit. 723 00:35:41,668 --> 00:35:44,626 That is, I curse a whole lot more than I ever used to. 724 00:35:44,751 --> 00:35:47,251 I don't think that when the two of you talked 725 00:35:47,376 --> 00:35:48,710 about getting married, 726 00:35:48,835 --> 00:35:51,376 that you wanted to be cursing at one another, 727 00:35:51,501 --> 00:35:53,335 and yelling at one another, 728 00:35:53,335 --> 00:35:56,251 and you spending your time out hunting and gathering 729 00:35:56,418 --> 00:35:58,793 for you to then take it back. 730 00:35:59,918 --> 00:36:02,585 You know, you're kind of stuck on a race track. 731 00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:03,626 Right. 732 00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:05,793 Terri, I know you like living like this, 733 00:36:05,918 --> 00:36:07,043 meaning a clean, organized house. 734 00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:08,710 - Sure. - I know you like that. 735 00:36:08,835 --> 00:36:12,418 That's how we met because that's what you wanted. 736 00:36:12,543 --> 00:36:16,876 But what we've gotta figure out is how to execute 737 00:36:17,918 --> 00:36:19,751 that in your home. 738 00:36:19,876 --> 00:36:21,168 - Uh-huh. - Right? 739 00:36:21,293 --> 00:36:23,960 And a lot of that's gonna have to happen from you, 740 00:36:24,085 --> 00:36:29,210 not Kraig, and figure out how you can move past 741 00:36:30,376 --> 00:36:34,335 this juncture in your life so that the two of you 742 00:36:34,335 --> 00:36:36,876 can let go of the animosity, 743 00:36:37,001 --> 00:36:38,710 you can let go of the conflict. 744 00:36:38,835 --> 00:36:41,751 You know, no relationship is conflict-free, 745 00:36:41,751 --> 00:36:46,168 but the stuff remains a big barrier between the two of you. 746 00:36:46,168 --> 00:36:47,293 Let's move on. 747 00:36:47,418 --> 00:36:48,876 Let's move over to Terri's house, 748 00:36:49,001 --> 00:36:52,376 and then let's talk about what we can do to move forward. 749 00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:53,793 Okay? - Okay. 750 00:36:53,918 --> 00:36:54,668 Okay. 751 00:37:11,335 --> 00:37:13,460 All right, so here we are again. 752 00:37:13,585 --> 00:37:18,001 Today really is about figuring out how to move forward. 753 00:37:18,001 --> 00:37:19,710 Don't wanna go backwards. 754 00:37:19,835 --> 00:37:21,543 So, Terri, what are your thoughts? 755 00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:23,835 I'll be okay for Kraig to see things. 756 00:37:23,835 --> 00:37:28,835 And, you know, I'm wanting to move forward too. 757 00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:30,543 - Okay. - And I want things 758 00:37:30,668 --> 00:37:33,043 to be good between he and I. 759 00:37:33,168 --> 00:37:34,251 Okay, all right. 760 00:37:34,376 --> 00:37:35,626 Well, let's head on in. - Okay. 761 00:37:35,751 --> 00:37:36,376 Okay. 762 00:37:53,168 --> 00:37:53,960 Careful. 763 00:37:55,085 --> 00:37:57,043 - I'm okay, I'm all right. - Okay. 764 00:37:57,168 --> 00:37:59,460 Terri continues to hoard. 765 00:37:59,626 --> 00:38:03,543 She has put many things back into her house. 766 00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:08,710 It's much more full than it was after the initial cleanup. 767 00:38:09,460 --> 00:38:12,376 This stuff here all over- 768 00:38:12,501 --> 00:38:13,335 Uh-huh. 769 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:14,668 Where did it come from? 770 00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:18,543 It came from the storage bin that I brought over 771 00:38:18,668 --> 00:38:23,751 and from an estate sale. 772 00:38:24,585 --> 00:38:25,376 - Okay. - From probably more 773 00:38:25,501 --> 00:38:27,085 than just one estate sale. 774 00:38:27,251 --> 00:38:31,210 Did you take advantage of the aftercare that we gave you? 775 00:38:31,210 --> 00:38:32,418 Well, that was a hard thing, 776 00:38:32,585 --> 00:38:35,543 because it was right after the pandemic. 777 00:38:35,710 --> 00:38:37,668 So how many sessions did you use? 778 00:38:37,793 --> 00:38:39,210 Do you know? - I don't even think 779 00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:43,126 I had two full sessions. - Oh my gosh! Okay. 780 00:38:43,251 --> 00:38:46,501 There's no doubt in my mind that Terri needs both therapy 781 00:38:46,626 --> 00:38:49,251 and an organizer to help her 782 00:38:49,376 --> 00:38:51,418 to make good decisions about her stuff, 783 00:38:51,585 --> 00:38:52,960 and so I'm gonna do everything 784 00:38:53,085 --> 00:38:55,210 that I can to get her some help. 785 00:38:55,335 --> 00:38:57,251 Because I really fear 786 00:38:57,418 --> 00:38:59,876 that if she doesn't get the help that she needs, 787 00:39:00,001 --> 00:39:03,376 that not only is this house gonna continue to stay hoarded, 788 00:39:03,501 --> 00:39:05,460 but her relationship with Kraig 789 00:39:05,585 --> 00:39:07,460 is gonna continue to be strained. 790 00:39:08,293 --> 00:39:09,460 Coming back this time, 791 00:39:09,585 --> 00:39:12,085 we're gonna give you some more sessions. 792 00:39:12,251 --> 00:39:13,543 Okay? - Okay. 793 00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:15,585 It would be wonderful to get that. 794 00:39:15,751 --> 00:39:19,835 Okay, so I'll look into those resources. 795 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,710 Kraig, you have been patiently listening. 796 00:39:22,835 --> 00:39:25,501 Just give me some of your thoughts 797 00:39:25,501 --> 00:39:27,668 about how you're feeling right now. 798 00:39:29,043 --> 00:39:31,710 Definitely depressed and like thinking like, 799 00:39:31,876 --> 00:39:33,585 "What have I gotten myself into?" 800 00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:36,293 And just overwhelmed, 801 00:39:36,418 --> 00:39:39,251 and I don't know if I keep talking, 802 00:39:39,376 --> 00:39:41,751 I'm gonna get myself in big trouble, so- 803 00:39:41,876 --> 00:39:44,460 Kraig, part of what you are trying to express 804 00:39:44,585 --> 00:39:47,626 is that you feel that she has a problem 805 00:39:47,751 --> 00:39:49,418 that is not being treated. 806 00:39:49,585 --> 00:39:52,251 No doubt, Dr. Zasio, no doubt. 807 00:39:52,376 --> 00:39:54,001 And she's been going to therapy 808 00:39:54,126 --> 00:39:55,960 for years and years and years. 809 00:39:56,085 --> 00:39:57,751 I don't know what kind of therapy it is, 810 00:39:57,918 --> 00:40:00,210 but I don't see any changes, I do know that. 811 00:40:00,335 --> 00:40:02,335 He gets on to me saying, 812 00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:04,585 "What, what doctor are you, 813 00:40:04,751 --> 00:40:06,585 who are you going to see?" 814 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:10,043 You know, "They're sure not doing the job, 815 00:40:10,168 --> 00:40:14,918 because there's no difference in, in how you are." 816 00:40:15,043 --> 00:40:18,668 I honestly think that it is going to be very difficult 817 00:40:18,668 --> 00:40:21,543 to repair the fractures 818 00:40:21,543 --> 00:40:24,418 that have happened in your relationship 819 00:40:24,543 --> 00:40:26,876 as long as this is continuing. 820 00:40:36,251 --> 00:40:39,543 Okay, all right, so, you know, the rest of the house 821 00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:43,126 was basically just like the area that we were standing in. 822 00:40:43,126 --> 00:40:44,543 You know, it's the same. 823 00:40:44,668 --> 00:40:46,168 But that being said, 824 00:40:46,293 --> 00:40:50,668 I'm so glad that you let me come back to visit with you, 825 00:40:50,668 --> 00:40:53,876 because I think a lot of things have been said 826 00:40:53,876 --> 00:40:57,793 that you both already know, but they haven't been said. 827 00:40:57,918 --> 00:41:01,585 And I think what we've really come down 828 00:41:01,585 --> 00:41:06,293 to is this stuff has to go 829 00:41:06,418 --> 00:41:09,293 for you to have a relationship together 830 00:41:09,418 --> 00:41:12,460 that is healthy, okay? 831 00:41:12,585 --> 00:41:16,210 Terri actually has a great deal of insight. 832 00:41:16,376 --> 00:41:17,626 She knows there's a problem, 833 00:41:17,751 --> 00:41:19,543 she knows she has too much stuff, 834 00:41:19,751 --> 00:41:22,251 and she knows she needs to stop. 835 00:41:22,418 --> 00:41:24,960 And so having somebody come and help her 836 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,876 and getting some therapy to start to learn ways 837 00:41:28,001 --> 00:41:30,793 to resist the acquisition of items 838 00:41:30,918 --> 00:41:34,960 so that she's not re-hoarding is gonna be really important. 839 00:41:35,085 --> 00:41:37,543 And, Kraig, I know this is just feeling 840 00:41:37,668 --> 00:41:39,168 so torturous for you, too. 841 00:41:39,335 --> 00:41:40,668 Yep. 842 00:41:40,668 --> 00:41:42,501 And if you start this process, Terri, 843 00:41:42,626 --> 00:41:44,001 everybody's gonna feel better. 844 00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:46,835 You're gonna feel better about yourself, 845 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,376 and Kraig is gonna feel better, 846 00:41:49,501 --> 00:41:50,793 and then that is going to start 847 00:41:50,918 --> 00:41:53,210 rebuilding your relationship. 848 00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:58,210 All right, so we have a plan moving forward, okay? 849 00:41:58,210 --> 00:42:00,293 And we'll go from there. - Okay. 850 00:42:00,418 --> 00:42:01,293 - All right. - Okay? 851 00:42:01,293 --> 00:42:02,376 Thank you, Dr. Zasio, 852 00:42:02,543 --> 00:42:03,876 so much. - Yeah. 853 00:42:03,876 --> 00:42:06,210 - Thanks for coming. - I'm so glad to see you, 854 00:42:06,335 --> 00:42:10,418 and I'm so glad that you let me back into your world again. 855 00:42:10,585 --> 00:42:12,168 I really am, okay? 856 00:42:12,293 --> 00:42:13,585 - Okay. - All right.